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Log for #openttd on 4th March 2008:
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01:02:50  <Sacro>  a^=b^=a^=b;
01:02:55  <Sacro> *asplode*
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01:28:49  <Eddi|zuHause2> let's see... resolve from left to right, a_2=a_1^b_1 where b_1=a_1^b_0 where a_1=a_0^b_0, so b_1=(a_0^b_0)^b_0(==a_0), so a_2=a_1^a_0=(a_0^b_0)^a_0(==b_0), result: (a_1,b_1)=(b_0,a_0)... variable switch when you don't want to allocate a temporary variable
01:29:21  <Eddi|zuHause2> err... a_2 in the last bit
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02:14:05  <De_Ghost> anyone play guitar?
02:14:26  <SmatZ> De_Ghost: Belugas plays... a lot :)
02:14:58  <De_Ghost> really?
02:14:59  <De_Ghost> awsome
02:15:04  <De_Ghost> he's my new hero
02:15:06  <De_Ghost> if only he was here
02:15:20  <Belugas> i do indeed
02:15:46  <Belugas> i've got my portable digital studio, having fun on it
02:18:00  <De_Ghost> lol
02:18:02  <De_Ghost> Belugas
02:18:04  <De_Ghost> Belugas
02:18:22  <De_Ghost> tell me the cords and where the capo is
02:18:23  <De_Ghost> !!
02:18:24  <De_Ghost> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ThHPXqMsfc&feature=related
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02:28:11  <Belugas> capot is indeed high, like maybe 7th or 9th fret
02:28:39  <Belugas> the chords (main melody, not chorus) seems to be G, Am, Dm
02:28:40  <Belugas> but...
02:28:46  <Belugas> i can't be sure
02:29:03  <Belugas> it's been an awfull long time i'vbe not played in standrard tuning
02:29:31  <De_Ghost> lol
02:29:32  <De_Ghost> what?
02:29:35  <De_Ghost> how do you play?
02:30:11  <Belugas> i prefer to play in DADGAD or DADADE, or even CGCGCD
02:30:20  <Belugas> but DADGAD is my favorite
02:30:33  <Belugas> instead of regular EADGBE
02:30:54  <De_Ghost> hey what do i do if my guitar have a buzzing sound?
02:31:13  <Belugas> depends
02:31:14  <De_Ghost> when i hit like the 8th fret  on E, the fattest string
02:31:24  <Belugas> when does it buzz ?
02:31:28  <Belugas> on high notes?
02:31:30  <De_Ghost> when i hold the 8th
02:31:44  <Belugas> your neck needs to be adjusted
02:31:49  <De_Ghost> how
02:31:50  <Belugas> there is a rod inside the neck
02:32:02  <Belugas> it must be turned
02:32:03  <Belugas> but...
02:32:09  <De_Ghost> yea i saw a picture  but...
02:32:12  <De_Ghost> hard?
02:32:16  <Belugas> don't do it onyour own
02:32:19  <Belugas> delicate
02:32:23  <Belugas> ask a pro
02:32:27  <Belugas> it's worth it
02:32:36  <De_Ghost> ok
02:32:38  <De_Ghost> thanks
02:32:38  <Belugas> i paid 50$ to adjust my electric
02:32:43  <De_Ghost> i was wondering
02:32:46  <Belugas> it was really worht it
02:32:55  <De_Ghost> my guitar is only 200 lol
02:33:33  <Belugas> same as me ;)
02:33:45  <De_Ghost> that's like 1/4 of the price lol
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02:34:32  <Belugas> http://devs.openttd.org/~belugas/Music/Dolance-5.mp3
02:34:35  <Belugas> there...
02:34:39  <Belugas> 200$ guitare
02:34:42  <Belugas> sounds nice
02:34:49  <Belugas> it does not matter the price.
02:35:00  <De_Ghost> if i ever win the lotto
02:35:01  <Belugas> what is important is how you feel with your guitar
02:35:09  <De_Ghost> remind me to buy u a 2k guitar
02:35:09  <De_Ghost> lol
02:35:15  <Belugas> how nice does it sound
02:35:19  <De_Ghost> no idea
02:35:23  <De_Ghost> i never had a 2k guitar
02:35:23  <De_Ghost> lol
02:35:34  <Belugas> i mean your guitar, not my song :P
02:35:46  <De_Ghost> it sounds pretty good
02:35:46  <Belugas> i LOVE my song, and i LOVE my guitars
02:35:51  <De_Ghost> until i hit the high note
02:35:59  <De_Ghost> my first guitar :P
02:36:04  <Belugas> well... don't then :D
02:36:18  <De_Ghost> u play all those notes?
02:36:25  <De_Ghost> and a beat thing in the bg?
02:36:26  <Belugas> i do
02:37:45  <De_Ghost> you have anything more intensive?
02:37:55  <De_Ghost> my friend thing ur a noob
02:37:57  <De_Ghost> thinks
02:38:37  <Belugas> http://devs.openttd.org/~belugas/Music/Spring.mp3
02:38:45  <Belugas> 3 guitars
02:38:56  <Belugas> i don't care waht your friend thinks
02:39:08  <Belugas> i've been playing before he ws even conceived
02:39:18  <De_Ghost> all u?
02:40:26  <Belugas> http://devs.openttd.org/~belugas/Music/Heavy1.mp3
02:40:29  <Belugas> yup
02:40:32  <Belugas> all me
02:41:03  <De_Ghost> u should go back to acoustic
02:41:08  <De_Ghost> you can bring it everywhere :D
02:41:13  <De_Ghost> i mean
02:41:19  <De_Ghost> JOHN COULTON PLAY ACOUSTIC
02:41:58  <Belugas> http://devs.openttd.org/~belugas/Music/Nuit_D_Etoiles.mp3
02:42:08  <Belugas> i am quite diverse
02:42:27  <Belugas> that last one is on GCGCGD
02:43:54  <Belugas> http://devs.openttd.org/~belugas/Music/JF-Five_Beat.mp3
02:44:09  <Belugas> and that's it for tonight, i've got some bugs to take care of...
02:44:30  <De_Ghost> lol
02:44:30  <De_Ghost> ok
02:45:39  <De_Ghost> G, Am, Dm
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03:06:58  <Belugas> houch...
03:07:01  <Belugas> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ThHPXqMsfc&feature=related
03:07:12  <Belugas> that is REALLY a great guitarist
03:07:16  <Belugas> i love his sty;e
03:08:46  <De_Ghost>  G C and D is better
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03:10:54  <Eddi|zuHause3> i play tuba, that is much superior to guitar ;)
03:12:39  <De_Ghost> lol
03:26:49  <Belugas> Eddi|zuHause3, as long as you play it nice and having fun with it?  why not :)
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03:38:07  <De_Ghost> ok bruise hand
03:38:09  <De_Ghost> time to sleep
03:38:10  <De_Ghost> lol
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03:51:14  <De_Ghost> down down down up down up down up down up down down down
03:57:05  <Tefad> that sounds dirty.
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04:03:02  <Eddi|zuHause3> back, left, right, left, right, back, right, left, back.
04:12:21  <Tefad> kinky.
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10:41:41  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r12333 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp:
10:41:41  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix: Switch grfstatus from 'activated' back to 'will-be-active' between reservation- and activation-stage.
10:41:41  <CIA-1> OpenTTD:  This fixes action7/9 conditions 0x06 to 0x0A to return the same in those two stages.
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11:19:47  <dih> :-)
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12:13:27  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r12334 /trunk/src/rail_cmd.cpp: -Codechange: Don't change road owner without DC_EXEC. Didn't affect anything in this case but is bad form.
12:14:46  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r12335 /trunk/src/ (gfx.cpp misc_cmd.cpp openttd.cpp openttd.h): -Codechange: Don't stuff signed values into a unsigned variable when the variable can just be unsigned...
12:15:45  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r12336 /trunk/src/misc_gui.cpp: -Fix [FS#1733]: Don't pause/unpause the game when showing load/save windows when the game is paused due to missing GRFs.
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13:13:29  <Gonozal_VIII> i'm here
13:15:24  <keyweed> hmpfz.
13:17:20  <HMage> hmpfbz2
13:20:06  <Forked> targz
13:20:51  <keyweed> hmpfarj?
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15:43:44  <LordAzamath> hhhelellllooo
15:45:12  <HMage> hhhhhiiiiiiii
15:45:43  * HMage found a packet loss simulator!
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15:46:34  <LordAzamath> aaanyone with wiki editing rights here? Like editing locked pages..?
15:47:05  <yorick> what pages?
15:47:19  <LordAzamath> locked pages :P
15:47:25  <yorick> what locked pages?
15:48:15  * frosch123 senses that "roadmap"-answer would be equal to "kickrequest" :)
15:48:25  <LordAzamath> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Template:Trains_Carriages
15:48:33  <LordAzamath> roadmap? hell no
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15:49:28  <LordAzamath> I created a new version to the sandbox
15:49:53  <LordAzamath> but it doesn't get much attention...
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15:55:37  * dih waves
15:55:48  * LordAzamath waves back
15:56:23  <LordAzamath> dih, I edited wiki for the company-patch..
15:56:33  <LordAzamath> wwottdgd
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16:01:02  <Ammler> LordAzamath: would be great, if he could fix/modify the network protocol for many clients...
16:02:10  <LordAzamath> true..
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16:17:51  <[1]LordAzamath> :O
16:18:00  <[1]LordAzamath> wait for 480 seconds :P
16:18:34  <Ammler> [1]LordAzamath: you can also use /ns ghost ...
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16:18:37  <ln-> can i breathe meanwhile?
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16:20:53  <LordAzamath> ok.. and how can I get rid of Guest64?
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16:21:11  <LordAzamath> :P
16:21:30  <yorick> why would you
16:21:35  <yorick> he'll ping timeout
16:21:40  <LordAzamath> will?
16:21:41  <yorick> oops ^^
16:22:02  <Forked> ask the question and it shall happen =p
16:22:15  <LordAzamath> hmm.. how can I get rid of yorick?
16:22:36  <LordAzamath> ^^
16:22:45  <yorick> i fyou all say ?kill with a name, he'll go
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16:23:08  * yorick expected ?kill Yorick * 50
16:23:54  <Gonozal_VIII> it's not like nobody wants to get rid of you... people just know that it wouldn't work
16:24:14  <Gonozal_VIII> ;-)
16:24:19  <LordAzamath> Gonozal_VIII, rly?
16:24:20  <LordAzamath> :P
16:24:21  <LordAzamath> [18:23] <LordAzamath> ?kill yorick
16:24:21  <LordAzamath> [18:23] <LordAzamath> like that?
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16:24:25  <LordAzamath> ^^
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16:33:58  <HMage> http://www.f-secure.com/weblog/archives/00001393.html
16:34:42  <Sionide> unlucky if you run windows really :)
16:35:17  <LordAzamath> oh noooo...
16:35:31  <LordAzamath> I just got a new phone with mail...
16:35:35  <Forked> clever clever
16:35:36  <LordAzamath> It's PINK
16:35:41  <LordAzamath> :O
16:35:42  <glx> lol
16:36:03  * LordAzamath goes tomorrow to rechange it if possible
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16:38:51  <Tekky> Hi, I have recently upgraded to MS Visual C++ Express 2008 due to 2003 being no longer supported by OpenTTD, but I cannot get it to compile. I get the following error message:
16:38:54  <Tekky> 3>..\src\ottdres.rc(16) : fatal error RC1015: cannot open include file 'afxres.h'.
16:39:44  <Tekky> I get this error message with the latest nightly and also with r12197
16:40:01  <Tekky> sorry, I mean r12187.
16:40:59  <Tekky> Is anyone else using MS Visual C++ 2008 Express Edition and able to compile recent nightlies?
16:43:12  <Tekky> also, I noticed the information on http://www.openttd.org/dev.php is out of date. The latest DirectX SDK (November 2007)  is not compatible with OpenTTD, as it no longer supports DirectMusic. Therefore, I had to downgrade to the August 2007 DirectX SDK.
16:43:22  <yorick> is it 2008 already ?!
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16:43:26  * Belugas uses 2005
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16:43:36  <Belugas> Tekky, clean trunk?
16:43:53  * Sacr1 cleans Tekky's trunk
16:44:15  <Tekky> yes, I downloaded the nightly build and tried to compile without applying any patches.
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16:45:45  <Tekky> Could it be that the project files for MS Visual C++ 2008 are broken in all recent nightly builds?
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16:46:00  <Belugas> downloaded?  or "svn co" ?
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16:46:31  <Tekky> I downloaded the source code of the nightly build, I did not use SVN.
16:46:46  <Belugas> try it, i guess the proble may reside there
16:46:50  <Belugas> problem
16:47:05  <Tekky> yorick: Yes, Visual C++ 2008 is already out.
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16:48:26  <Tekky> ok, thx, I will try.
16:49:03  <Tekky> Belugas, are you responsible for the web pages? Did you read what I wrote about the latest DirectX SDK?
16:50:03  <Belugas> i did read it, but i'm not responsible for the pages.  I do not know waht to think of it either
16:52:47  <Tekky> can anyone recommend a good command-line SVN Client for Windows? I don't like Turtoise SVN with all of its shell integration, etc.....
16:53:03  <yorick> svn?
16:53:35  <Tekky> yorick: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subversion_%28software%29
16:54:03  <yorick> http://subversion.tigris.org/servlets/ProjectDocumentList?folderID=8100&expandFolder=8100&folderID=8100
16:54:21  <yorick> the official svn client ^^
16:55:05  <Tekky> ah, thx :)
16:55:24  <Sacro|Uni> Tekky: svn
16:56:22  <Tekky> you mean "SVN" has to be written small?
16:56:33  <Tekky> in non-capital letters?
16:56:52  <peter1138> No, he means that's a good command line svn client ;)
16:56:53  <yorick> no, a client called "svn"
16:57:00  <Sacro|Uni> well, in windows it doesn't matter
16:57:05  <Sacro|Uni> no case sensitivity
16:57:08  <yorick> tjhe hivemind work'd again!
16:59:47  <Eddi|zuHause3> we are not schitzophrenic
17:01:54  <Tekky> hmmmm, I must select between Win32 packages built against Apache 2.0 and 2.2? What does a webserver have to do with a simple SVN Client?
17:02:17  <yorick> do 2.2
17:02:20  <yorick> nothing ^^
17:02:50  <Sacro|Uni> Eddi|zuHause3: we are
17:03:24  <Tekky> quote from the page: Windows binaries built against Apache 2.2.x -- note that Apache 2.2.4 or higher is required
17:03:46  <Tekky> So I must install the Apache Webserver in order to use the official SVN Client???
17:04:21  <Sacro|Uni> no
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17:06:34  <Belugas> what time is it, more or less, in netherland now?
17:06:38  <yorick> Eddi|zuHause3: I are
17:06:41  <yorick> 18:06
17:06:57  <Eddi|zuHause3> +6h
17:07:03  <Belugas> thanks
17:07:09  <yorick> why?
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17:07:35  <dih> hello Belugas
17:07:46  <Belugas> hey dih :)
17:07:47  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: belugas * r12337 /trunk/ (5 files in 3 dirs): -Change: update some documentation.
17:08:01  <Sacro|Uni> Belugas: midday, within +/- 12 hours
17:08:07  <dih> LOL
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17:12:22  <Tekky> ah, thx, I've got the official SVN client running now
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17:17:29  <Roujin> g'day
17:17:35  <yorick> have to go
17:17:36  <yorick> bye
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17:18:20  <Roujin> guess beta5 is about to come..
17:20:05  <Roujin> i wonder how it's being decided if it's stable enough for 0.6.0 (non beta)
17:20:22  <Roujin> no new bug report on flyspray for x days...?
17:20:59  <Sacro|Uni> Roujin: when they get bored of fixing things
17:21:04  <Sacro|Uni> theres always an 0.6.0.1
17:21:23  <Gonozal_VIII> O_o
17:21:57  <Sacro|Uni> o_O
17:22:06  <Roujin> >_<
17:22:11  <Gonozal_VIII> since when are there releases with 3 .
17:22:31  <Sacro|Uni> 0.4.0.1
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17:23:23  <Roujin> well for a quick release to mainly fix a critical bug that was found in 0.6.0, i guess 0.6.0.1 would be more fitting than 0.6.1
17:24:23  <Tekky> I get the same error message when attempting to compile the SVN source with the MS Visual C++ 2008 solution file:
17:24:25  <Tekky> 2>..\src\ottdres.rc(16) : fatal error RC1015: cannot open include file 'afxres.h'.
17:24:47  <Tekky> I guess I should make a FlySpray Bug Report.....
17:24:53  <Sacro|Uni> Tekky: copy the file into the include director
17:24:55  <Sacro|Uni> +y
17:24:59  <Sacro|Uni> from openttd_useful.zip
17:26:13  <Belugas> hopefully, there will be no more betas for 0.6
17:26:27  <Sacro|Uni> now we move to RC1
17:26:39  <Tekky> Sacro: There is no file afxres.h in openttd_useful.zip
17:26:59  <Sacro|Uni> Tekky: there did used to be?
17:28:25  <Roujin> Sacro: i suppose that was a joke?
17:28:45  <Tekky> I don't remember there ever being one... I guess the Visual C++ 2008 solution file is outdated, so I will write a FlySpray Bug Report.
17:29:22  <Sacro|Uni> Roujin: what?
17:29:27  <Sacro|Uni> Tekky: hmmm
17:30:07  <Sacro|Uni> hmm
17:30:12  <Sacro|Uni> an o(nnn) algorithm
17:30:24  <Belugas> Tekky, i think you have someting wrong in your installation
17:30:34  <Belugas> a bug report is really not something you want to do
17:30:54  <Sacro|Uni> yeah
17:30:56  <Belugas> notin this case, anyway
17:31:14  <Sacro|Uni> Belugas: actually
17:31:25  <Sacro|Uni> it is a bug in openttd-useful-v1.2-win.zip
17:31:29  <Sacro|Uni> it doesn't contain the file
17:32:12  <Sacro|Uni> nor does 1.1 :s
17:32:26  <Tekky> Belugas, the file is included with the following directive: #include "afxres.h"
17:32:30  <Roujin> [18:26] <Sacro|Uni> now we move to RC1 <--- that was a joke right? betas were introduced replacing the old system of RCs...
17:32:33  <Sacro|Uni> nor does 1.0 ><
17:32:39  <Sacro|Uni> Roujin: really?
17:32:50  <Sacro|Uni> i thought it went b1,b2,b3...bn
17:32:51  <Tekky> Therefore, I don't think anything is wrong with my installation, since the include directive uses quotes and not < >
17:33:00  <Sacro|Uni> then rc1, rc2,rc3...rcn
17:33:02  <Sacro|Uni> then .0
17:33:16  <Sacro|Uni> Tekky: http://www-d0.fnal.gov/d0dist/dist/packages/d0ve/devel/windows/AFXRES.H
17:33:19  <Belugas> http://forums.microsoft.com/MSDN/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=362656&SiteID=1
17:33:38  <Belugas> "After Microsoft Platform SDK is installed its /include folder consists subfolder /mfc. All necessary files seem to be there. Microsoft's instruction: "Using Visual C++ 2005 Express Edition with the Microsoft Platform SDK" explains that following line: "C:\Program Files\Microsoft Platform SDK\include" must be added to "the Visual C++ directories in the Projects and Solutions section in the Options dialog box". But does not say anything about line: "C:\Program
17:33:50  <Roujin> well, afaik there's only betas, no RCs now
17:34:20  <Belugas> sorry for cionfusion, we're doing a beta 5, the RC will folllow shortly after
17:34:56  <Sacro|Uni> i win!
17:35:02  <Belugas> Tekky, Sacro|Uni, there never was and never will be a axfres.h file in our distribution.
17:35:08  <Belugas> it is a matter of installation
17:35:15  <Gonozal_VIII> shortly as in somewhere around 2010
17:35:55  <Sacro|Uni> yeah
17:36:01  <Sacro|Uni> it's linked to from the wiki
17:36:04  <Belugas> prrrrrrrt
17:36:07  <Sacro|Uni> Belugas: could we not try using windows.h?
17:36:23  <Belugas> why?
17:36:31  <Sacro|Uni> cos it might just work (tm)
17:36:42  <Belugas> how?
17:36:51  <Sacro|Uni> *shrug*
17:36:53  <Sacro|Uni> black magic?
17:36:59  <Belugas> therefor...
17:37:00  <Belugas> prrrrrrrrt
17:37:32  <Belugas> note that the includes may be reviewed at some point...
17:38:22  <Sacro|Uni> mmm
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17:43:35  <Belugas> until then, Sacro|Uni, why dont you remove the windows.h and see what happens? ;)
17:45:15  <Sacro|Uni> Belugas: i shall when i go home
17:45:25  <Sacro|Uni> actully, i'm at the LUG tonight
17:45:36  <Prof_Frink> Sacro|Uni: Make sure you have some boards.h to put in place of the windows.h
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17:47:21  <Sacro|Uni> Prof_Frink: pffft
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17:47:27  <Sacro|Uni> we don't need no steenkin walls
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17:52:49  <Sacro|Uni> can you have an o(n^-1) algorithm...
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17:53:43  <Patrick`> that gets faster as the input data gets faster
17:53:56  <Sacro|Uni> well, bigger
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17:56:29  <Tekky> Belugas: There is no file afxres.h on my whole hard disk. So the solution cannot be what you linked me to.
17:56:55  <Belugas> prrrrrrt
17:56:58  <Tekky> As far as I know, afxres.h is a file normally generated by the resource editor.
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18:00:04  <Tekky> hmmmm, or maybe it is included by the resource editor? I don't know.... Maybe I need to install an older version of the platform SKD.
18:00:12  <Tekky> SKD = SDK
18:00:25  <Belugas> hoo.... look....  in the VC 2005 page!  http://www-d0.fnal.gov/d0dist/dist/packages/d0ve/devel/windows/AFXRES.H  GOD!!!  I really wonder waht it does there :S
18:00:27  <Belugas> and ho....
18:00:38  <Belugas> exactly the same file Sacro has shown you :P
18:01:02  <Belugas> and look again!
18:01:15  <Belugas> in the VC 2008!
18:01:15  <Belugas> openttd_useful.zip
18:01:15  <Belugas>     Now extract the Openttd-useful.zip file and copy:
18:01:15  <Belugas>         * The contents of the include folder and afxres.h to C:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio 9.0\VC\include\.
18:01:15  <Belugas>         * The contents of the library folder to C:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio 9.0\VC\lib\.
18:01:33  <Belugas> and hoo... there is a URL for afxres.h...
18:01:36  <Belugas> man...
18:01:47  <Belugas> what a resource that wiki :S
18:02:09  <Tekky> ah, my platform SDK doesn't contain any MFC files. Maybe that was the reason.
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18:10:30  <Tekky> it seems that Visual C++ 2008 doesn't include the header files for MFC, that's why I didn't have the file. It compiles now, thanks :)
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18:16:21  <Tekky> and the linking worked also :) Thank you very much for your help Sacro and Belugas!
18:19:06  * LordAzamath is back now..
18:19:09  <Tekky> now all I need is a good program for creating and applying patches, I heard that TortoiseSVN is broken in that respect. Can anyone recommend a good program for this, preferably command-line?
18:19:21  <Patrick`> svn has a windows port
18:19:24  <Patrick`> and runs in cygwin
18:19:35  <Patrick`> or, just "diff" and "patch" gnu utilities
18:19:40  <Patrick`> will have windows ports
18:19:50  <Tekky> can I use the official SVN client for applying patches, too?
18:19:59  <Patrick`> yyyessss I think so
18:20:02  <peter1138> No, svn only creates patches.
18:20:10  <Patrick`> he's right
18:20:13  <peter1138> You need, er, patch to apply patches.
18:20:20  <Belugas> welcome Tekky
18:20:36  <peter1138> Subversion’s mistake is assuming that all patches are patches made by svn...
18:21:28  <Tekky> does GNU patch also work with Win32?
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18:23:39  <LordAzamath> hmm.. I'll repeat the question I asked about hour, 2 ago..
18:24:04  <LordAzamath> is there anyone here with ability to edit wiki's locked pages?
18:24:30  <LordAzamath> and I'm not talking about roadmap ;)
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18:25:19  <Belugas> looks like a no, LordAzamath
18:25:27  <LordAzamath> indeed it does..
18:25:37  <LordAzamath> that's no good though
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18:26:00  <Belugas> mihamix can, Rubidium can too
18:26:02  * LordAzamath still can't get why http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Template:Trains_Carriages is protected..
18:26:06  <Belugas> none are there
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18:26:22  <Wolf01> hello
18:26:25  <LordAzamath> ok.. I'll try another time
18:26:28  <LordAzamath> hello Wolf01
18:26:42  <peter1138> To stop you altering the template? Who knows...
18:26:53  * peter1138 can edit locked pages, however...
18:27:05  <LordAzamath> :O
18:27:25  <LordAzamath> peter1138, take a look http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/OpenTTD:Sandbox and tell me what you tjhink?
18:27:47  <LordAzamath> please
18:28:28  <UnderBuilder> one question... I have the grfpack 7-beta1 for joining wwottdgd but there is some files missing, as the game says, and they appear as unknown files
18:28:55  <UnderBuilder> except one that says Platforms
18:28:57  <peter1138> Well
18:29:01  <peter1138> How many pages use that template?
18:29:07  <LordAzamath> UnderBuilder...try #wwottdgd... and they/we still have the old game running
18:29:13  <Belugas> it misses electric, doesn't it?
18:29:13  <LordAzamath> peter1138, wait a mom..
18:29:47  <LordAzamath> peter1138, 27
18:29:53  <peter1138> Ouch
18:30:03  <peter1138> Hmm, I suppose templates are clever... Hmm...
18:30:24  <peter1138> Why the change in category?
18:30:24  <LordAzamath> but the neccesary information is already there.. apart from the pictures.
18:30:40  <LordAzamath> dunno.. it was in todo list
18:30:53  <LordAzamath> That's why I redesigned it :P
18:30:56  <UnderBuilder> other thing, I tried to run wwottdgd's client with an empty sample.cat and the game crashed when it played a sound
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18:31:04  <peter1138> ‘Carriage’ only applies to passenger carrying units.
18:31:57  <LordAzamath> To Do
18:31:57  <LordAzamath> Move stuff from Category:List of Wagons by changing the Trains Carriages template.
18:32:03  <LordAzamath> from wiki todo
18:32:16  <LordAzamath> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Category:Carriages
18:32:34  <peter1138> Whose To Do?
18:32:38  <LordAzamath> dunno
18:32:41  <peter1138> Well then
18:32:51  <LordAzamath> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Category:To_do
18:34:45  <peter1138> Well I think it's bollocks
18:34:49  <peter1138> (the category change
18:34:51  <peter1138> )_
18:34:54  <peter1138> -_
18:35:00  <LordAzamath> while bollocks means?
18:35:09  <peter1138> :o
18:35:20  * LordAzamath has no idea what bollocks means
18:35:23  <peter1138> Sacro...
18:35:23  <Belugas> crap, i assume
18:35:53  <LordAzamath> possible
18:36:29  <Prof_Frink> bollocks is bollocks, innit
18:36:46  <peter1138> bollocks is it
18:36:50  <LordAzamath> peter1138... if you don't like "carriages", maybe you like wagons? :P
18:37:18  <LordAzamath> or whatever
18:37:24  <peter1138> There are more wagons than carriages, so wagons is appropriate.
18:37:41  <LordAzamath> well... they all are wagons, aren't they? :O
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18:38:20  <Prof_Frink> only if you consider passengers equivalent to coal
18:38:40  <LordAzamath> well.. coal pays you more..
18:41:05  <LordAzamath> btw.. peter1138, adding pictures to the 27 wagon articles isn't very hard because the pictures are already up in the wiki..
18:41:08  <Tekky> Belugas, Sacro: I have identified the problem I had earlier. It seems that Visual C++ 2008 creates its own header file with the definition of IDC_STATIC and other constants used by resources, whereas earlier versions of Visual C++ include afxres.h instead.
18:41:52  <mrfrenzy> how do I disable braikdowns on the linux dedicated server?
18:42:12  <Tekky> Belugas, Sacro: I mean that when you create a new VC++ 2008 project, such a header file with the definition of the constant IDC_STATIC is created automatically.
18:43:49  <Tekky> Belugas, Sacro: Therefore, I think I should make a bug report and suggest that that line 16 of ottdres.rc which currently contains #include "afxres.h" instead be changed to #define IDC_STATIC -1
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18:45:12  <Belugas> and what about VC 2005?
18:48:50  <Tekky> Belugas: I have never had Visual C++ 2005 installed, so I don't know how it behaves.
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18:51:21  <Tekky> Belugas: IDC_STATIC is the only constant that ottdres.rc requires from afxres.h, at least with Visual C++ 2008.
18:53:05  <Belugas> well... you see, both are using the same file
18:53:18  <Belugas> changing it will beark vc 2005,
18:53:20  <Belugas> which i use
18:53:23  <Belugas> so no thanks
18:53:29  <Belugas> got to find a better way...
18:53:41  <Belugas> and i'm off to work@work
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18:59:16  <Tekky> Belugas: It is quite likely that VC++ 2005 also only needs the constant IDC_STATIC from afxres.h. I just can't test it because I don't have that compiler.
18:59:49  <LordAzamath> he is work@work, remember? :P
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19:00:34  <Tekky> yes, but he is still logged in, so I guess he will read the chat logs.
19:00:51  <LordAzamath> you... like disuuuuurb him..
19:01:06  * LordAzamath protects bel[tab]'s privacy :P
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19:34:22  <Patrick`> I think I've found a bug
19:34:34  <peter1138> Oh! My! God!
19:34:35  <Belugas> wb peter1138
19:34:40  <Belugas> noted Tekky
19:34:48  <Belugas> Patrick`, no way
19:34:52  <Patrick`> but I'm probably being an idiot
19:35:07  <Patrick`> I have a train that has a full unload" order at a station, and it has some cargo on it that's from that station (passengers accidentally picked up at a goods dump)
19:35:21  <Patrick`> and it only unloads them until the train's empty of goods
19:37:12  <LordAzamath> Haven't ever heard of full unload :O
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19:50:26  <Bjarni> Gonozal_VIII: too slow :P
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19:51:19  <Tekky> To whom it may concern: I have made a bug report about the compiling problem that I described an hour ago in this channel. Here is the link: http://bugs.openttd.org/task/1826
19:52:11  <Belugas> have you been in #openttd.notice, you would have been notified of that bug
19:54:21  <Tekky> ah, cool, I didn't know that you devs had such a feature.
19:54:58  <Belugas> yup
19:55:06  <peter1138> Magicness
19:55:06  <LordAzamath> Belugas, openttd.notice isn't very good though..
19:55:15  <LordAzamath> it doesn't allow to change nicks :P
19:55:30  <Belugas> and it always rings as an alarm when it moves...
19:55:53  <Belugas> LordAzamath, leave it, change nick, rejoin :)
19:55:56  <Belugas> i do that
19:56:22  * peter1138 is listening to: Marillion - B'sides Themselves - Grendel - (3:19/17:15)
19:56:27  <LordAzamath> which means when I end up like [1]LordAzamath because of changing network, it won't revert back automatically
19:56:41  <LordAzamath> * peter1138 is spa..ing
19:57:02  <peter1138> Correction: * @peter1138 is spa..ing.
19:57:03  <peter1138> :p
19:57:34  <LordAzamath> so that @ gives you right to spam?
19:57:40  <LordAzamath> ^^
19:57:47  * yorick are schizofrenic :)
19:57:49  <peter1138> No.
19:57:59  <peter1138> The 'peter1138' part does though :D
19:58:04  * LordAzamath starts to spam #?, because he is op there..
19:58:21  <peter1138> LordAzamath, I heartily approve!
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19:58:35  <peter1138> Schizophrenic is not that hard to spell.
19:58:36  <LordAzamath> peter1138, I can see you didn't do anything in wiki...
19:58:41  <Gonozal_VIII> hmm blinking
19:58:48  <Gonozal_VIII> bjarni!
19:58:52  <peter1138> No, I didn’t.
19:58:56  <peter1138> I went home instead.
19:59:03  <LordAzamath> but now you are home?
19:59:22  <Prof_Frink> peter1138: No, you don't get an op-flag on action
20:00:56  <Bjarni> Gonozal_VIII: you are too late :P
20:01:19  <LordAzamath> peter1138, can you now do something? :D
20:01:25  <Gonozal_VIII> i was feeding myself :P
20:01:37  <Gonozal_VIII> with food
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20:01:40  <LordAzamath> Bjarni, you have a greeting waiting..
20:01:43  <Gonozal_VIII> that i made myself!
20:02:06  <LordAzamath> Gonozal_VIII, very poisoned?
20:02:08  <The_Master> Bjarni!
20:02:10  <The_Master> Bjarni!
20:02:11  <The_Master> Bjarni!
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20:02:37  <yorick> 3 times :o
20:03:00  * Belugas is still hooked, glued, stucked on NIN - Ghosts
20:04:28  <Tekky> I must go offline now,bye.
20:04:44  <Belugas> bye
20:05:00  <Belugas> i'll try to check for vc 2005 tonigh Tekky
20:05:34  <Tekky> ok, thanks Belugas. Bye.
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20:12:49  <glx>  <LordAzamath> which means when I end up like [1]LordAzamath because of changing network, it won't revert back automatically <-- it does if you use ghost command
20:13:00  <LordAzamath> no
20:13:11  <glx> it does for me
20:13:22  <LordAzamath> because openttd.notice doesn't allow name-changing
20:13:39  <glx> ./nick fils but /nisckserv ghost works
20:13:52  <glx> s/fils/fails
20:14:16  <LordAzamath> rly? Let's try
20:14:21  <Prof_Frink> well, of course ./nick will fail, it's not a shell script
20:14:26  <Prof_Frink> /nick otoh...
20:14:47  <glx> Prof_Frink: I added the dot to type the command ;)
20:15:03  <Prof_Frink> /and why would you want to do that?
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20:15:41  <glx> LordAzamath: you see, it worked
20:15:52  <LordAzamath> ghost still gave me this mesage..
20:15:53  <LordAzamath> [22:15] #openttd.notice You may not change nickname while banned or moderated on a channel (+b/+q/+m)
20:16:12  <yorick> thats normal
20:16:20  <glx> I only get this message with /nick
20:16:21  <LordAzamath> although I just managed spamming that channel :P
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20:16:41  <glx> not with ghost
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20:29:25  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r12338 /tags/0.6.0-beta5/ (9 files in 3 dirs): -Release: 0.6.0-beta5
20:29:26  <yorick> stop releasing these things
20:29:40  <hylje> tag tag tagging tag
20:29:42  <Prof_Frink> Oooh, taggulation
20:29:46  <yorick> they have to be released monthly!
20:29:50  <yorick> those are not!
20:29:50  <peter1138> Sorry :o
20:29:50  <Prof_Frink> peter1138! NewTopic!
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20:30:04  *** peter1138 changed the topic of #openttd to: 0.5.3, 0.6.0-beta5 | Website: *.openttd.org (DevBlog: blog, Translator: translator2, Gameservers: servers, Nightly-builds: nightly, NightlyArchive: archive, WIKI: wiki, SVN mailinglist: maillist, Dev-docs: docs, Patches & Bug-reports: bugs) | #openttd.notice for FS + SVN notices | UTF-8 is mandatory
20:30:15  * yorick pats the peter
20:30:18  <yorick> 1138
20:30:19  <Prof_Frink> \o/
20:30:22  <peter1138> Well trained me...
20:30:29  <yorick> trains?
20:30:31  <yorick> where?
20:30:34  * SpComb gives peter1138 a banana
20:30:44  * yorick wants a cookie from SpComb
20:30:52  * SpComb access denied
20:31:00  * yorick finds a cookie himself
20:31:07  * yorick eats cookie
20:31:15  * yorick passes cookie to peter1138
20:31:26  * Prof_Frink sudo wants a ccookie from SpComb
20:31:38  <yorick> sudo get cookie!
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20:31:53  * SpComb kernel panics
20:32:48  <Prof_Frink> Careful, you don't want to be standing behind him when he dumps core...
20:33:10  <yorick> what is actually so new about beta5 that it had to be released so soon
20:33:45  <Prof_Frink> fewer bugs presumably
20:34:01  <yorick> bugfix release
20:34:16  <yorick> not even any new features
20:34:30  <Prof_Frink> Shouldn't be
20:34:44  * Belugas gives glasses to blind yorick
20:35:04  * yorick can't see throu these glasses
20:35:13  <yorick> they're +5!
20:35:30  <Belugas> even without, it seems...
20:35:38  <yorick> any features?
20:35:47  <SpComb> "make me a sandwich" -> "Access denied", "sudo make me a sandwich" -> "Kernel panic"
20:35:50  * Prof_Frink attacks yorick with a +7 club
20:35:56  <yorick> I can't see because of all the bugs
20:36:11  <Belugas> "+-Feature: Vehicle variable FE bit 8 (r12331) [FS#1812]
20:36:11  <Belugas> +-Feature: Vehicle variable FE bit 5 and 6 (r12330)
20:36:11  <Belugas> +-Feature: Support loading full range of 0xD0xx NewGRF strings which includes 0xD000 to 0xD3FF (r12316)
20:36:11  <Belugas> +-Feature: Ability to change aircraft speed factor, from so called 'realistic' (matching other vehicles) (1/1) to original TTD speed (1/4) (r12293, r12294)"
20:36:26  <Belugas> top of it :P
20:36:27  <yorick> oy yeah
20:36:28  <Prof_Frink> ./vmsplice-exploit make me a snadwich
20:36:33  <yorick> what does the top 2 do?
20:36:58  <Forked> Prof_Frink: doesn't that sorta have a chance of corrupting the file system and whatnot? =p
20:38:45  <yorick> what does Vehicle variable FE bit 5/6/8 do?
20:39:04  <glx> yorick: check ttdpatch wiki :)
20:39:16  <yorick> already did
20:40:45  <peter1138> Then you’ll know.
20:41:16  <peter1138> Yay, beta5 server!
20:42:20  <yorick> I think bit 10 is wanted aswell
20:43:09  <peter1138> Feel free to implement it.
20:43:26  <yorick> :O I have no experience
20:43:35  <Belugas> than wait for it
20:43:53  <peter1138> We all started with no experience :)
20:44:11  <Belugas> naaaa...not you,peter1138.  You were born with it
20:44:19  <SmatZ> :-)
20:44:46  <yorick> I have no experience <-- talking about C or Cpp
20:45:17  * Belugas adds searching to the list of yorick :)
20:45:42  <yorick> Belugas: Alright sparky, everything looks good.
20:46:24  <yorick> if (HasBit(v->vehicle_flags, VF_BUILT_AS_PROTOTYPE)) SetBit(modflags, 10); someone already did :(
20:47:22  <peter1138> Hehe
20:50:14  <yorick> [21:49] #openttd questionmark!*@* peter1138!~petern@217.151.109.242 1204372988 :(
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20:55:25  <michi_cc> who's on duty for today? 21d07bd24a5adfd0710d84be9283adaf http://www.icosahedron.de/openttd/openttd-0.6.0-beta5-win64.zip (and on sf.net/incoming as usual)
20:57:48  <blathijs> michi_cc: Done :-)
20:58:15  <blathijs> You're quick :-)
21:00:43  <Bjarni> yeah
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21:03:28  <michi_cc> well, that doc change before was rather telling. enough time to prepare. I'm watching commits rather closely currently, have to keep up with what I might have to change this time again :)
21:04:06  <peter1138> Hehe
21:04:10  <peter1138> Well thanks :)
21:04:16  <peter1138> Now get back to work on YAPP ;)
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21:20:53  <Leviath> Ammler, I noticed you posted a grf I once made "erate Snow tiles" This (of course) should be Temperate Snow Tiles, I have a fixed version, should I sent it to you?
21:21:09  <peter1138> Somebody forgot the GRF ID, heh
21:21:22  <Leviath> indeed :P
21:21:55  <Ammler> Leviath: have you also Homepage for it?
21:22:09  <Leviath> no
21:22:47  <Ammler> then I would like it per pm, if I am allowed to include it in the pack :-)
21:23:07  <Leviath> of course
21:24:11  <Ammler> omg, first IRC dcc :-)
21:24:47  <SmatZ> Ammler, an IRC virgin :)
21:25:03  <Ammler> yeah, almost untouched
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21:49:52  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r12339 /trunk/src/vehicle.cpp: -Fix (r12331): Recalculate cached train data after clearing reversing flag when entering depot.
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21:59:32  <Patrick`> is it just me or do industries "evaporate" a lot more?
21:59:49  <Patrick`> the unexplored areas of my maps are just getting sparser and sparser
22:00:25  <Patrick`> and some primaries shut down after I started loading from them (only oil tho)
22:01:06  <glx> oil wells only decrease and then disappear
22:01:17  <ln-> Bjarni!
22:01:27  * Bjarni is busy
22:01:32  <Patrick`> ah.
22:01:37  <Patrick`> I also lost some factories
22:01:45  <Bjarni> I'm currently working on intelligence
22:01:55  <Bjarni> aka researching the background of a person
22:01:57  <Patrick`> one of the oil wells was down to 8/month, but then started rising after I fed from them
22:01:59  <glx> secondary industries need to be suppiled
22:02:22  <Patrick`> I thought the "new industry foundation" rate happened at about the same time as supply closure
22:02:29  <ln-> Bjarni: also called stalking. who's she?
22:02:32  <Patrick`> s/time/rate
22:02:54  <Patrick`> I have the money, I can rebuild them, that's not the point
22:04:47  <Patrick`> actually, it is
22:04:50  * Patrick` funds oil wells
22:07:50  <Bjarni> <ln-> Bjarni: also called stalking. who's she? <-- typing a name in Google is hardly stalking
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22:11:31  <Patrick`> augh
22:11:40  <Patrick`> and how come all the newly-funded oil wells produce lots
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22:16:26  <fjb> Hello
22:16:59  <Patrick`> salut
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23:05:18  <Bjarni> goodnight
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23:26:49  <Wolf01> 'night
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