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00:00:05 <Roujin> something broke in a file not altered by the patch oO 00:00:42 <SmatZ> :) 00:01:01 <SmatZ> you will need more includes probably 00:02:54 *** planetmaker [~chatzilla@Fcd01.f.ppp-pool.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:03:06 <Roujin> that could be... but the error somewhat disturbs me: multiple types in one declaration oO 00:03:42 <Roujin> maybe that particular revision was broken... retrying with another one ^^ 00:04:03 <Roujin> and it works :P 00:04:29 <Roujin> aha, now i need some more includes 00:05:32 <Roujin> since a header file was split in between :) 00:07:51 <Roujin> awesome 00:08:02 <Roujin> current trunk, wohoo ^^ 00:08:25 <Roujin> so... anyone interested in a rct style game menu? 00:08:46 <Yexo_> Roujin, you mean a screen following one vehicle? 00:08:50 *** Yexo_ is now known as Yexo 00:09:10 <Roujin> nope, jumping to preset locations 00:09:19 <Roujin> where preset = signs, alphabetically 00:09:27 <glx> like ctrl-center_view_on_vehicle Yexo? 00:09:29 <Roujin> also, signs are not drawn while in the game menu 00:09:58 <Yexo> glx, I didn't know that was already possible :P 00:10:09 <Yexo> but that was indeed what I ment 00:11:10 <Roujin> so basically, you set up a nice intro game, place signs labled 'a' through 'x' in the locations you want to show, save, rename to opntitle.dat and place it in the /data dir, thats it 00:11:43 <Yexo> sounds cool, but well, I don't care much about the title screen, as I don't look at it for long 00:11:46 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-31-247.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 00:11:51 <Roujin> oh yes, and there's a patch option for the duration between jumps (in game days; 0 = turn off) 00:11:53 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 00:12:56 <Roujin> to be fair, i have to credit wolf01 for the idea and initial work. ;) 00:13:26 <Roujin> ok, one answer so far, being "i don't care" - other opinions? 00:13:58 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r12537 /trunk/src/newgrf_config.h: -Cleanup: comment newgrf_config.h a bit 00:14:14 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 00:14:20 <Roujin> :( 00:15:41 <Roujin> any other devs still here? 00:16:26 <Roujin> besides SmatZ who cowardly fled from my question? 00:16:27 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-3-131.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:16:52 *** Diadem [math@115pc224.sshunet.nl] has quit [Quit: Gone] 00:17:29 <Yexo> seems everyone is fleeing :P 00:18:23 <Roujin> dang, i hoped for a more positive response... 00:21:39 <Yexo> Well, I think it's a cool feature, but for me, I still have the default intro 00:22:08 <Yexo> busy playing with paxdest and yapp 00:22:44 <Roujin> well, my patch won't change anything if you have the current intro file ^^ it only jumps if there are signs in the savegame 00:24:06 <Roujin> but maybe it's time for a new intro.. i mean there are quite some new features since that game was made. and when we're at it, why not include the patch i made and have it jump around to show different features? :P 00:24:11 <Roujin> rivers... 00:24:45 <Yexo> like the intro competition held in january? 00:25:20 <Roujin> yeah, i thought about getting in contact with littlemikey, who held that competition... but he's inactive since february :( 00:25:42 <Yexo> have you tried #openttdcoop? 00:26:36 <Roujin> nope... will they be interested in holding such a contest? 00:26:47 <Roujin> hmm.. well maybe... 00:27:23 <Roujin> they could be showing off their fancy rail designs with something like that ^^ 00:27:37 <Yexo> I should have explained myself better, I was asking if you looked for littlemikey on #openttdcoop 00:27:54 <Roujin> ah 00:27:59 <Roujin> well no.. will do 00:28:38 <Yexo> openttdcoop usually plays with a lot of grfs, so that's not suitable for an intro screen 00:31:02 <Roujin> hows that bot command... 00:31:08 <Roujin> @seen LittleMikey 00:31:08 <DorpsGek> Roujin: LittleMikey was last seen in #openttd 10 weeks, 0 days, 10 hours, 17 minutes, and 14 seconds ago: <LittleMikey> I'm off too, see you all 00:31:34 <Roujin> well, yep. he definately went "off". oO 00:31:43 <Roujin> to mars or something... 00:32:25 <Roujin> same time in #openttdcoop, guess he's gone for good... 00:32:44 <Yexo> he might turn op sometime, but for all we know that may be next year 00:32:46 <Yexo> or never 00:35:10 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77B14.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:35:42 <Roujin> hm.. i could contact the other people who judged then, if they want to make something like that again.. 00:41:38 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B77A4A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:42:17 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 00:49:18 *** Osai is now known as Osai`off 00:51:04 *** MDGrein [~MDGrein@c-e43472d5.02-56-736b7610.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [] 01:00:02 *** Dr_Jekyll [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0F9E1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: 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day...classic! 04:15:30 <TheJosh> just like StarCraft (10 years ago though) 04:21:39 <TheJosh> made another version of shares part 1 version 1: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=36627 (updated to latest rev) 04:25:05 <TheJosh> me off now, need to do some video editing 04:25:08 <TheJosh> cya all around 04:25:09 *** TheJosh [~josh@d58-108-21-134.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has left #openttd [] 04:33:00 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host81-153-29-28.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:33:56 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host81-153-29-28.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 04:52:27 *** Poopsmith [~Poopsmith@124-197-37-77.callplus.net.nz] has joined #openttd 05:08:26 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5403D.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 05:11:21 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:11:28 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 05:22:55 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06:55:03 *** MarkAWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA [~Mark@5351EE62.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 06:57:25 *** Xeryus|bnc is now known as XeryusTC 07:18:22 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 07:22:22 <Celestar> ? 07:22:40 <Celestar> @openttd bugs 07:22:41 <DorpsGek> Celestar: Open Bugs: 30; Not assigned: 22; Closed this week: 8; Opened this week: 17 07:28:40 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5403D.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 07:31:07 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5403D.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 07:45:42 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 07:50:56 *** Poopsmith [~Poopsmith@124-197-37-77.callplus.net.nz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:59:13 *** shodan [user@ppp101-219.static.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 08:17:43 *** Trond [~nope@ti131310a080-8931.bb.online.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:20:50 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-136-232-74.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 08:23:52 *** edeca [~bored@beefy.two-pebbles.com] has joined #openttd 08:33:41 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 08:59:05 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@d105.tum.vpn.lrz-muenchen.de] has joined #openttd 09:10:59 *** Gekz [~brendan@121.218.49.21] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:13:00 *** nzvip [~svip@192.38.109.188] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:27:01 *** Gekz [~brendan@121.218.49.21] has joined #openttd 09:33:06 *** Trond [~nope@ti131310a080-7645.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 09:33:43 <Trond> helo 09:33:45 <Trond> +l 09:39:36 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i59F5403D.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 09:41:41 <Eddi|zuHause2> no, it's called halo 09:43:57 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@d105.tum.vpn.lrz-muenchen.de] has quit [Quit: dR3x4cK] 09:46:03 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5403D.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:51:54 <Trond> I never really liked halo :P 09:52:33 <Gekz> halo is for gays 09:52:35 <Gekz> gays and hitler. 09:54:04 *** lobster_MB 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#openttd 10:34:04 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host81-153-29-28.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 10:34:47 <SpComb> no GSoC for OpenTTD? :( 10:37:07 <ln> why would there be? 10:38:45 <ben_goodger> well, there are some pretty obvious areas that could do with it 10:39:06 <peter1138> ... 10:39:13 <ben_goodger> the most obvious I can think of is 32bpp 10:39:17 <peter1138> nothing to stop people working on those areas 10:39:28 <peter1138> 32bpp works perfectly :D 10:39:30 <ben_goodger> indeed not, but gsoc makes people work on them more 10:39:58 <ln> ben_goodger: but does gsoc support projects whose copyright holder and legal status is unknown? 10:40:15 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:40:24 <ben_goodger> ¬.¬ 10:40:50 <ben_goodger> it's now in debian contrib [sinbin] exclusively because it requires the old graphics files 10:41:11 <peter1138> and nothing at all to do with the dubious origins 10:41:47 <ben_goodger> afaik 10:44:26 <peter1138> does GSoC include graphics data files? 10:44:30 * peter1138 suspects not 10:44:46 <ben_goodger> hm 10:45:13 <peter1138> i don't know, but i'd imagine it's more of ... a code thing. 10:45:15 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-136-232-74.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:45:22 <ben_goodger> quite 10:45:27 <ben_goodger> ok, let's see 10:46:21 <ben_goodger> there's [afaik for all] the rivers thing, that needs testing and stabilising; newPBS, same; AI 10:46:49 <peter1138> pbs is done, pretty much 10:46:55 <peter1138> ai is already being worked on 10:46:59 <peter1138> rivers... fine 10:47:31 <ben_goodger> yes.. that doesn't mean it can't be improved significantly [my copy gives a big warning on start that says "works only for X mode of transport" 10:47:49 <peter1138> what, with noai? 10:48:19 <ben_goodger> I don't know what it's called. I press "enable new AI [beta/something]" and it presents that 10:48:27 <ben_goodger> that's on 0.6.0beta2, I believe 10:48:27 <peter1138> well that's old and obsolete 10:48:43 <peter1138> noai has been in development for a while, but separately 10:49:12 <ben_goodger> ok, I've now lost my openttd installation 10:49:17 <peter1138> hah 10:50:20 <ben_goodger> it was on my desktop last week! !.! 10:50:30 <ln> i was able to compile trunk in ~23 seconds while experimenting with overclocking. 10:50:39 <ben_goodger> good grief 10:50:51 <ben_goodger> ah 10:51:01 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 10:51:05 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:51:08 <ben_goodger> beagle informs me that openttd has inexplicably been moved to my films directory 10:51:34 <Belugas> ^^ 10:51:44 <Belugas> blame GSoC for that :D 10:52:35 <ben_goodger> oh, it was beta1 10:53:31 <ben_goodger> meh 10:55:48 <peter1138> well the AI's not been changed 10:56:12 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truebrain * r12538 /branches/noai/ (14 files in 4 dirs): 10:56:12 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [NoAI] -Codechange: introducing fiber.hpp, a class to have fibers in your application via either Windows Fibers, or via thread.h 10:56:12 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [NoAI] -Codechange: rewritten ai_threads.cpp, to work with Fiber class. Reduces code duplication, and should fix all the stupid asserts we had with newgames and dying AIs 10:56:12 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -NOTE: now my head spins.. 24 hours of working with threads/fibers is bad for health :p Tnx glx for the testing! 11:06:12 <Eddi|zuHause2> wtf is a "fiber"? 11:06:30 <ben_goodger> a fibre, badly misspelled so as to not confuse obese people 11:07:19 <ben_goodger> same with liter, meter, gram, program, etc 11:07:35 <peter1138> it's like a thread but cut down 11:07:44 <peter1138> whatever that means 11:09:49 <ben_goodger> a mini-thread? 11:09:58 <hylje> microthread 11:11:01 *** Osai is now known as Osai`off 11:13:02 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C0D7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:14:42 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truebrain * r12539 /branches/noai/src/economy.cpp: [NoAI] -Fix: when you take over an AI, the game no longer crashes when a new AI starts again 11:19:32 *** Zahl [~Zahl@p549F209B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:38:24 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 11:49:01 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 11:50:34 *** Diadem [math@115pc224.sshunet.nl] has joined #openttd 12:00:27 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-31-247.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:00:44 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-136-232-74.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 12:11:23 <Diadem> Is there a way to conveniently add trains to lists? 12:11:31 <Diadem> Like all trains servicing station x 12:11:53 <peter1138> you can see which trains stop at a station 12:11:56 <peter1138> in a list 12:12:02 <peter1138> but no explicit grouping 12:13:45 <Eddi|zuHause2> click on the station, and then on the little train icon 12:13:53 <peter1138> yarly 12:13:59 <hylje> NO WAI! 12:14:47 <Diadem> And then Eddi|zuHause2? 12:14:53 <Diadem> Then I can send them all to depot, but not to a group 12:15:11 <keyweed> Diadem: don't think there's any other way then dragging 12:15:19 <keyweed> almost like windows 12:15:19 *** nzvip [~svip@192.38.109.188] has joined #openttd 12:15:35 <peter1138> you can group vehicles with shared orders easily 12:15:44 <peter1138> but not just because they stop at the same station 12:15:58 <keyweed> true, but i always think about shared orders when it's too late already :P 12:16:17 <peter1138> heh 12:16:30 <peter1138> i never think not to 12:18:27 <SpComb> Byou mean you actually play OpenTTD? 12:18:37 <peter1138> i do 12:19:53 <bowman> about that, why isn't the replace option available in the stations list? :) 12:22:14 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-193-46-fixip.tiscali.ch] has joined #openttd 12:24:00 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm218.epsilon121.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 12:24:24 <peter1138> because replacement only work on 'real' groups (or the other two options) 12:25:35 <bowman> mhm 12:25:55 <bowman> I see there is already a feature request 12:25:56 <peter1138> there'd be *loads* of checks required all the time if 'virtual' groups were used to 12:26:33 <peter1138> with groups, we can check if one number is the same as another number 12:29:02 <bowman> a shortcut for creating a group with all vehicles for a station would suffice 12:31:12 *** frosch123 [~mtce@pascal.math.tu-clausthal.de] has joined #openttd 12:31:13 <peter1138> well, go ahead ;)( 12:31:54 <Yexo> bowman, what would that button do when some vehicles are already in a group? 12:32:07 <bowman> cant a vehicle be in multiple groups? 12:32:08 <Diadem> I manually dragged them now :) 12:32:20 <Diadem> But it would be a nice feature to have really 12:32:55 <peter1138> no, they can't 12:33:30 <bowman> manual grouping becomes problematic in big games with a 1000+ vehicles hehe 12:33:58 <Yexo> not if you use shared orders and "add all vehicles with shared orders" 12:34:10 <hylje> shared orders and groups go together 12:34:12 <bowman> ah theres an option for that? 12:34:24 <Yexo> under manage vehicles in the groups window 12:34:27 <bowman> k 12:34:41 <Diadem> Yeah that's a life saver if you have 150 vehicles with the same orders :) 13:04:14 *** Joop [~mail@ip213-245-174-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 13:04:14 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-136-232-74.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:06:01 <Joop> can i ask something about the script autopilot? 13:07:03 <Noldo> Briannetta is not here 13:07:14 <Joop> ok 13:19:32 *** shodan [user@ppp101-219.static.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Client Exiting] 13:24:03 *** Joop [~mail@ip213-245-174-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has left #openttd [] 13:25:42 *** HerzogDeXtE1 [~Flex@89.246.162.225] has joined #openttd 13:26:48 *** HerzogDeXtE1 [~Flex@89.246.162.225] has quit [] 13:26:52 *** HerzogDeXtE1 [~Flex@89.246.162.225] has joined #openttd 13:29:55 *** Ridayah [~ridayah@137.81.96.64] has joined #openttd 13:32:53 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.162.138] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:32:57 *** Mirrakor [~linuser@p57B2EFD7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:33:07 *** llugo [lugo@p4FD5CE45.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:40:08 *** lugo [lugo@p4FD5C6AF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:41:01 *** nicfer [~chatzilla@168.226.106.189] has joined #openttd 13:48:16 *** MarkAWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA [~Mark@5351EE62.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Would you like to know more?] 13:48:18 *** MarkAWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA [~Mark@5351EE62.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 13:52:20 *** Dominik [~Dominik@dslb-084-063-000-070.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 13:57:49 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r12540 /trunk/src/ (5 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: Enumify some values in original pathfinder and remove an unused variable. 14:09:29 *** divo [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 14:10:51 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 14:13:27 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r12541 /trunk/src/ (slope_func.h slope_type.h terraform_cmd.cpp water_cmd.cpp): -Codechange: Declare Slope enum as bit set, and remove some (then) unneeded casts. 14:17:43 *** Ridayah [~ridayah@137.81.96.64] has quit [Quit: The Rise and Fall of the Heavens themselves is dependant upon Humanity's belief and disbelief.] 14:20:07 *** jordi [~jordi@115.Red-213-96-69.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #openttd 14:21:43 <jordi> okay, official Debian packages are now in, thanks to blathijs 14:22:17 <jordi> I wonder if there's any Ubuntu MOTU in the audience, or should I use my influences to make sure 0.6 is in the hardy release. 14:27:38 *** Dominik [~Dominik@dslb-084-063-000-070.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:30:25 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm218.epsilon121.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [] 14:36:43 *** Dominik [~Dominik@dslb-084-063-093-229.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 14:40:36 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest319 14:40:37 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-106-226.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 14:45:59 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499FD6E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:47:38 *** Guest319 [~Dale@pool-71-98-106-226.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:48:10 *** Dominik [~Dominik@dslb-084-063-093-229.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:49:25 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 14:49:26 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 14:57:04 *** Dominik [~Dominik@dslb-084-063-063-128.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 15:06:29 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@adsl-58.36.Static.ssp.fi] has quit [Quit: You just lost the game] 15:06:37 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 15:14:18 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.172] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:15:03 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.172] has joined #openttd 15:18:15 <jordi> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openttd/+bug/210848 15:20:56 <glx> jordi: not really a bug 15:21:16 <jordi> glx: what do you mean? 15:21:33 <jordi> it's a request, but it needs to go in the bug tracker 15:21:37 <jordi> I know it's not a bug 15:22:29 <blathijs> It's more like a request tracker, not only a bug tracker :-) 15:23:14 <glx> well this tracker then miss a "request type" field ;) 15:24:23 <ln> in Ubuntu, stability matters, not whether you can actually use the product for anything. 15:24:53 <ln> also stability doesn't mean the same as non-crashing. 15:34:37 *** Dominik [~Dominik@dslb-084-063-063-128.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:42:40 <blathijs> To whom should I complain^Wask for advice about the configure script? 15:43:32 <Rubidium> in what area? 15:44:43 <blathijs> Rubidium: svn blame says it's you, but svn log can't seem to find that revision (7604) 15:45:11 <blathijs> Rubidium: When you set a personal dir, make install also tries to install scenarios into the personal dir of the user running make install 15:45:52 <blathijs> Which is mostly unwanted IMO (will end up installing scenarios into root's homedir I guess) and breaks on Debian buildd's, because their homedir is /nonexistent 15:46:17 <Rubidium> hmm 15:48:04 <blathijs> I guess a seperate ./configure option for that would make sense (there is already a seperate INSTALL_PERSONAL_DIR variable in the Makefile, which gets set to PERSONAL_DIR now) 15:49:11 <blathijs> Ah, the revision svn log refused to show me was in the makefilerewrite branch :-) 15:49:29 <blathijs> And the log says it's "semi-proper install functionality" 15:49:49 <Rubidium> blathijs: 7604 was in branches/makefilerewrite (or whatever way it was written back then) 15:50:47 <Rubidium> blathijs: from the log it looks like I copied the behaviour directly from what was trunk back then 15:51:20 <blathijs> Don't remember this being in there, but doesn't really matter 15:51:37 <blathijs> Shall I just add a --install-personal-dir option? 15:52:04 <Rubidium> the first question is whether the current behaviour is actually correct 15:53:05 <blathijs> Ie, we could also remove the INSTALL_PERSONAL_DIR stuff alltogether you mean? 15:53:15 <Rubidium> yup 15:53:23 <blathijs> The current behaviour is, at least for Debian packaging, unwanted 15:53:29 <blathijs> and for any packaging I guess 15:53:42 <blathijs> The only use for this is end users running make install themselves 15:53:47 <blathijs> or something like that 15:54:07 <blathijs> Did we have search paths or stuff like that already? 15:54:20 <blathijs> Ie, does openttd look in /usr/share and ~ for scenarios now? 15:54:30 <Rubidium> hmm, seems like 0.5 only creates the directories, but never copies something to there 15:55:13 *** De_Ghosty [~s@CPE0050ba8caf2c-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:55:15 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 15:56:08 *** De_Ghosty [~s@99.237.68.239] has joined #openttd 15:56:51 <Rubidium> blathijs: now I think about it the copying with make install to the homedir is bogus 15:57:05 <peter1138> bug! in 0.6.0! 15:59:55 <blathijs> Ah, openttd offers to play scenarios from /usr/share only if you don't have a scenario dir in your personal dir 15:59:58 <blathijs> which makes sense 16:00:25 <blathijs> people wanting to work on their own scenarios and also play the default want should either copy them or keep browsing around, I guess 16:04:06 *** Slowpoke [~Lobster@dslb-088-073-228-216.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 16:07:56 <blathijs> Rubidium: Any objections? ifdef INSTALL_PERSONAL_DIR $(Q)mkdir -p ~/"$(INSTALL_PERSONAL_DIR)" $(Q)cp -R "$(BUNDLE_DIR)/scenario" ~/"$(INSTALL_PERSONAL_DIR)" 16:07:59 <blathijs> else 16:08:01 <blathijs> uh 16:08:16 <blathijs> Any objections? http://katherina.student.utwente.nl/~matthijs/openttd/no-install-personall.diff 16:09:26 <Rubidium> okay by me 16:09:33 <blathijs> k 16:09:51 <blathijs> hmm, how was this commit message style for openttd again... :-) 16:11:25 <blathijs> Does this count as a -Remove, or is that really strictly for removing files only>? 16:13:04 <frosch123> -Change perhaps, no clue 16:14:31 *** jez [lefrancais@87-194-212-214.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:14:33 *** jez is now known as jez9999 16:15:19 <blathijs> I'll go for -Fix, since the old behaviour is broken behaviour 16:16:07 *** divo [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:16:40 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499FD6E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: dR3x4cK] 16:18:45 <blathijs> Hmm, the commit style on the wiki is also quite out of date, really 16:19:13 <blathijs> The section as hardly ever put up front, and the space before the leading - is also a bit ambiguous 16:20:53 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: matthijs * r12542 /trunk/Makefile.in: -Fix [Makefile]: Don't install scenarios into the current user's homedir when running 'make install', that is silly. Simply always install scenarios system wide instead. 16:23:18 <blathijs> Rubidium: Shall I merge it to 0.6 right away, or should I rather list it somewhere for a batch merge later on? 16:24:47 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-136-232-74.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 16:25:23 *** frosch123 [~mtce@pascal.math.tu-clausthal.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:27:42 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A44E9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:31:02 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-88-79.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: The ending changes tone & is actually quite sad - but it involves a scene of necrophilia, so that's just another plus in my book.....] 16:33:46 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-88-79.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 16:39:27 <jordi> blathijs: thanks mate. If you can add a patch to our svn I'll try to build a new one tonight 16:39:39 <jordi> blathijs: I need to get out of here right now 16:43:08 <jez9999> i wonder why OpenTTD is more popular in Europe than the US 16:43:12 <blathijs> jordi: Yeah, that was the next thing on my list :-) 16:47:15 *** planetmaker [~chatzilla@Fcef2.f.ppp-pool.de] has joined #openttd 16:52:32 *** Diadem [math@115pc224.sshunet.nl] has quit [Quit: Gone] 16:55:48 *** anhedral is now known as dih 17:04:46 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:06:35 *** dih [~dih@members.openttdcoop.org] has left #openttd [Leaving] 17:06:46 *** dih [~dih@members.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 17:06:48 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a41673.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 17:06:51 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 17:06:51 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@87.2.235.86] has joined #openttd 17:06:54 <dih> hey there 17:06:59 <dih> Bjarni! 17:07:02 <dih> ^^ 17:07:12 <dih> @seen OptimusS|TTd| 17:07:13 <DorpsGek> dih: I have not seen OptimusS|TTd|. 17:07:23 <dih> @seen OptimusS* 17:07:23 <DorpsGek> dih: I haven't seen anyone matching OptimusS*. 17:07:32 <Bjarni> @seen Op* 17:07:33 <DorpsGek> Bjarni: I haven't seen anyone matching Op*. 17:07:41 <Wolf01> hello 17:07:47 <Bjarni> hi Wolf01 17:07:53 <Bjarni> Wolf01... 17:07:59 * Bjarni starts some foxfires 17:08:46 <ln> "interesting", sort of answer to the question i was wondering the other day; http://militaria-net.co.uk/ 17:16:18 *** MDGrein [~MDGrein@c-e43472d5.02-56-736b7610.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 17:17:14 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@78-21-225-220.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:23:20 *** divo [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 17:29:00 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499FD6E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:29:05 <Brianetta> svn diff | patch -R 17:29:45 <SmatZ> isn't svn revert simpler? 17:33:39 <Brianetta> not as fun 17:33:46 <Brianetta> mine you can offer as a "fix" 17:33:55 <Brianetta> to the unwary 17:34:12 <Ammler> for i in `svn st src/ | sed -n -e 's/^\? //gp'`; do rm $i; done 17:34:12 <Ammler> svn revert . -R 17:34:35 *** Wolf01 is now known as Wolf01|AWAY 17:34:45 *** MarkAWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA is now known as Mark 17:35:23 <ln> NO AWAY NICKS 17:36:00 <Forked> 7nick ForkedBack 17:36:03 <Forked> "err" 17:36:22 *** Mark [~Mark@5351EE62.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- s0 d4Mn l33t |t'z 5c4rY!] 17:36:24 *** Mark [~Mark@5351EE62.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 17:37:06 <Eddi|zuHause2> Ammler: put those two on the same line 17:37:41 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause2: they are in a script "cleanrevert" 17:38:13 <Eddi|zuHause2> wtf? 17:38:38 <Ammler> try to update source with patch, that creates new files 17:38:45 <Ammler> like YAPP 17:38:49 <Eddi|zuHause2> ah, new files 17:39:09 <Eddi|zuHause2> but can't you just rm * then? 17:39:26 <Ammler> well, you could rm src/* 17:39:35 <hylje> make clean? 17:39:39 <Ammler> but then you also need to dl the whole source again 17:39:43 *** Mirrakor [~linuser@p57B2EFD7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:39:46 <hylje> nah 17:39:50 <hylje> you just revert then 17:39:57 <hylje> it restores it all 17:40:06 <Ammler> is that saved in .svn? 17:40:09 <Eddi|zuHause2> revert does not download anything 17:40:19 <Eddi|zuHause2> a copy of the original files is in .svn 17:40:31 <Ammler> hmm 17:40:36 <hylje> there's also those other VCSes supported by openttd, hg and git 17:40:38 <Eddi|zuHause2> this is used by svn diff and svn revert 17:40:42 <hylje> which store the whole repository locally 17:40:59 <hylje> rather than just the latest and a working copy 17:41:43 <Ammler> so "rm ./src/* && revert . -R" would do the job without downloading? 17:42:23 <Ammler> !s/revert/svn revert/ 17:42:56 <Eddi|zuHause2> rm $(find | grep -v "svn") 17:43:14 <hylje> find src/ | xargs rm 17:43:29 <hylje> yeah, eddi's got it better 17:43:34 <hylje> its good to preserve the .svn dir 17:43:52 <Ammler> shouldn't be deleted with * 17:44:02 <Ammler> you would need .* for that 17:44:24 <Eddi|zuHause2> no, but find will find it 17:44:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> so it will delete everything within .svn 17:45:22 <Ammler> now, I am confused 17:45:25 <Ammler> :-) 17:45:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> Ammler: rm * will not apply to subdirectories of src 17:45:33 <Eddi|zuHause2> whichof there are plenty 17:45:50 <Eddi|zuHause2> is that a word even? 17:45:50 <glx> I had something with 'svn st | grep "?"' 17:45:51 <Ammler> oh, forgot -R 17:46:21 <Eddi|zuHause2> -R will recurse into .snv 17:46:25 <Eddi|zuHause2> .svn 17:46:28 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B7895C.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 17:47:57 *** Sacro` [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-119-5.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 17:48:07 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-119-5.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:50:23 <blathijs> cool, number of Debian users that have openttd installed: http://people.debian.org/~igloo/popcon-graphs/index.php?packages=openttd 17:54:27 *** Sacro` is now known as Sacro 17:56:13 <Prof_Frink> blathijs: No, number of Debian users that have openttd and popcon installed. 17:56:34 <blathijs> Prof_Frink: Hmm, good point :-) 17:59:13 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 18:00:49 <Eddi|zuHause2> is there a number of total people somewhere? 18:01:06 <yorick> on top of the town list? 18:01:12 <yorick> worldpopulation: ... 18:01:14 <Eddi|zuHause2> do not trust a statistic that you did not forge yourself 18:01:31 * Eddi|zuHause2 ignores yorick 18:02:19 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 18:02:38 *** De_Ghosty [~s@99.237.68.239] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:03:04 *** De_Ghosty [~s@99.237.68.239] has joined #openttd 18:04:16 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 18:10:46 *** Ammler is now known as anhedral 18:11:21 *** anhedral is now known as Guest345 18:11:33 *** Guest345 is now known as Ammler 18:15:17 *** Sacro` [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-119-5.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 18:16:03 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-119-5.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:16:34 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 18:17:14 <dih> yorick: i have a nick name for you 18:17:37 <dih> yorrige (yorick porrige) :-D 18:19:39 *** Sacro` is now known as Sacro 18:20:54 <jez9999> did it take you all year to think that up? 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18:52:04 <mrfrenzy> there is a linkon the website if you would like to do that 18:52:22 <Ammler> http://www.openttd.org/donate.php 18:53:34 <okali> No 18:53:37 <okali> In the game 18:53:49 <okali> I want to donate money for my friend 18:53:53 <blathijs> rofl :-) 18:54:19 <okali> sorry, my english is bad... 18:56:01 <okali> help me 18:56:59 <okali> OK 18:57:02 <okali> thank 18:57:06 <okali> I'm reussit 18:57:08 <okali> lol 18:57:16 <okali> OPENTTD ROXXX !!!! 18:57:18 <okali> :D 18:57:24 <okali> ... bye 18:57:26 *** okali [~jean@AStDenis-107-1-61-63.w90-43.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 18:57:38 <mrfrenzy> haha 18:57:59 <Patrick`> he knows it's in like 75 languages and most of us speak french, right? 18:58:12 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-136-232-74.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:58:46 <mrfrenzy> I only speak swedish, english and german 18:58:49 <Belugas> bien sur 18:58:58 <mrfrenzy> but I'd guess there are a few french speaking in here ,) 18:59:20 <yorick> a few ^^ 19:00:20 <yorick> I'm learning chinese, french, german, and speaking english, dutch :) 19:03:39 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@78-21-225-220.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 19:07:51 <mrfrenzy> nice 19:09:36 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i59F5403D.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 19:30:56 *** divo [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:33:45 *** divo [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 19:35:11 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Quit by self] 19:40:03 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93-80-101-255.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:43:10 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@pool-71-98-106-226.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 19:43:10 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest358 19:43:10 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 19:43:36 *** sickie88 [~sickie@BSN-95-216-137.dial-up.dsl.siol.net] has joined #openttd 19:44:11 *** dragonhorseboy [~dragonhor@modemcable147.26-58-74.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 19:45:28 <dragonhorseboy> just wondering but any of you know what the hell is up with a new openttd folder (I just downloaded 0.6.0 to see what it was like) it always keep warning of many missing newgrfs even although I did -not- even specify any cfg files yet? :| 19:45:44 <dragonhorseboy> this been like the third time anyhow 19:46:22 <peter1138> warning of missing newgrfs? 19:46:25 <peter1138> doing what? 19:46:36 <peter1138> or rather when and how? 19:47:09 <Belugas> loading a game that requires grf that you do not have? 19:47:18 <peter1138> that's the usual cause, yes 19:47:33 <dragonhorseboy> download 0.6.0 zip .. extract it into a new folder .. open openttd.exe for the very first time ... it keep warning of missing newgrfs (no they're not t1gr.grf etc) 19:47:43 *** Guest358 [~Dale@pool-71-98-106-226.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:47:47 <glx> they are not newgrfs 19:48:13 *** Roujin [~Roujin@mnch-4d04f7ff.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 19:48:13 <peter1138> did you use an betas or RC? 19:48:19 <peter1138> (or nightlies) 19:48:48 <glx> peter1138 has a point :) 19:48:52 <dragonhorseboy> its been doing that ever since I've downloaded 0.5.7 then one 0.6.0-beta and then also 0.6.0 19:49:00 <peter1138> 0.5.7, eh? 19:49:04 <Roujin> g'day 19:49:04 <peter1138> now that's imaginary 19:49:06 <dragonhorseboy> like why is it trying to look for any newgrfs when it shouldn't 19:49:16 <glx> so you may have an openttd.cfg already 19:49:21 <peter1138> however, it's probably using your openttd.cfg in My Documents 19:49:31 <dragonhorseboy> glx...nope the folder is fresh empty save for copying the five ttd files into data folder 19:49:42 <glx> the mydocs one 19:49:48 <dragonhorseboy> glx..what mydoc? there's none 19:49:53 <glx> created by the beta 19:50:05 <glx> My Documents\OpenTTD 19:50:26 <dragonhorseboy> glx...what kind of name is that for a game folder anyhow? ^-^ 19:50:50 <glx> My Documents is a standard windows directory 19:51:02 <peter1138> Well the game is called OpenTTD, so a directory called OpenTTD is hardly... surprising 19:51:19 <dragonhorseboy> glx...well I don't have it anyhow 19:51:33 <hylje> peter1138: yeah, ottd should use a directory called TTDPatch 19:51:38 <peter1138> yeah ;D 19:51:42 <dragonhorseboy> peter...I meant the main directory 19:51:53 <Ammler> where do you save your pictures word documents etc.? 19:52:39 <peter1138> C:\Windows\System32\ 19:52:41 <dragonhorseboy> ammler...either on desktop if I'm still working on them or C:\mystuffs to keep them 19:53:11 <hylje> if we go into that, i rather have a proprietary binary format containing everything 19:53:14 <Ammler> so maybe you have a folder \mystuffs\OpenTTD? 19:53:19 <hylje> and chuck that into System32 19:53:26 <dih> :-) 19:53:35 <dragonhorseboy> messenger/etc are redirected to C:\onfiles 19:53:51 <dih> noris that into the system32? <-- hylje ^^ 19:53:59 <dragonhorseboy> ammler...hmm no don't see one in dir 19:54:12 <hylje> nah 19:54:46 <Ammler> windows guys, there is a command to print out system var mydoc, isn't? 19:54:48 <peter1138> well, a lot of people store things in My Documents, as that is, you know, what it's for 19:55:07 <peter1138> it'll be a %SOMETHING% one, i suspect 19:55:16 <dih> heh 19:56:06 <dragonhorseboy> peter...well I don't since windows cd seem to strangely want to affect that particular folder at random 19:56:31 <glx> set doesn't show anything about mydocs 19:57:04 <Forked> %userprofile%\crap 19:57:55 <glx> mydocs is D:\Mes Documents, user profile is C:\Documents And Settings\<user> 19:58:18 <dragonhorseboy> hm now searching for openttd.cfg excluding games/ folder..... 19:59:05 <peter1138> maybe you've got a replacement opntitle.dat, hehe 19:59:15 <Ammler> :-) 19:59:22 <Ammler> is that the 1.April fool 19:59:27 <thgergo> hello 19:59:34 <thgergo> !revision 19:59:39 <thgergo> ah 19:59:41 <thgergo> sry 19:59:47 <dih> lol 19:59:48 <peter1138> 20:59 Topic for #openttd: 0.6.0 19:59:54 <Ammler> no kick for that anymore 19:59:57 * glx updates it's script 20:00:09 <peter1138> its! 20:00:19 <dih> glx => it's? 20:00:24 <glx> his 20:00:32 <dih> ^^ 20:00:48 <glx> 3 genders is silly 20:03:56 <dragonhorseboy> hmm...no idea...there's only just one in openttd folder and one catalogued on the backup firewire hd 20:09:26 *** De_Ghosty [~s@99.237.68.239] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:10:49 *** De_Ghosty [~s@99.237.68.239] has joined #openttd 20:11:13 *** Roujin [~Roujin@mnch-4d04f7ff.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:16:05 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-193-46-fixip.tiscali.ch] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 20:19:21 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 20:31:45 * Sacro is going to hungary D: 20:32:52 * dih is hungry 20:34:06 <dih> Sacro: http://youtube.com/watch?v=ANTDkfkoBaI 20:34:39 *** Netsplit resistance.oftc.net <-> osmotic.oftc.net quits: phin, Frostregen, snappy, @orudge, lobster, @Belugas 20:34:50 <glx> so old 20:35:14 <peter1138> heh 20:35:52 *** dragonhorseboy [~dragonhor@modemcable147.26-58-74.mc.videotron.ca] has left #openttd [] 20:38:58 *** Netsplit over, joins: lobster, @Belugas, @orudge, Frostregen, phin, snappy 20:39:27 <Sacro> dih: funnly enoguh i will be changing planes at budapest 20:40:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> we always went to hungary by bus 20:40:35 <ln> what is the country whose capital is Estocolmo? 20:40:52 <Eddi|zuHause2> never heard of that city 20:41:14 <glx> sounds like Stockolm 20:41:36 <mrfrenzy> haha ln 20:41:42 <ln> it is stockholm, in spanish. 20:41:52 <Sacro> shame, means i won't get to see warsaw 20:41:58 *** Roujin [~Roujin@mnch-4d04f7ff.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 20:42:09 *** Osai`off is now known as Osai 20:42:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> warsaw is nowhere near hungary 20:42:26 <Vikthor> Eddi|zuHause2: That depends on scale 20:42:34 <Sacro> is compared to england 20:42:50 <Eddi|zuHause2> but it's also not on the way from england to hungary 20:43:17 <Eddi|zuHause2> except maybe if you go via stockholm ;) 20:43:23 *** Mirrakor [~linuser@p57B2EFD7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:43:50 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause2: going england - ukreaine 20:43:52 <Sacro> *ukraine 20:43:55 <Sacro> via hungary 20:43:56 <Vikthor> Eddi|zuHause2: Geographically not, but I won't be surprised if some low-cost airline combination would be cheapest via Warsaw 20:44:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> ln: sorry, but adding vowels is totally changing the emphasis, there's no way to recognise this... 20:44:41 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 20:45:02 <ln> Eddi|zuHause2: that was kind of the point of this question, to ask something obvious that sounds very unobvious. 20:45:42 <Eddi|zuHause2> i should reduce my shame by saying "norway" :p 20:45:49 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 20:45:49 <SmatZ> !logs 20:46:27 <ln> SmatZ: !bookmarks 20:46:56 <SmatZ> !bookmarks 20:47:05 <ln> nooo 20:59:44 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host81-153-29-28.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:03:00 *** MDGrein [~MDGrein@c-e43472d5.02-56-736b7610.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:08:49 *** MDGrein [~MDGrein@c-e43472d5.02-56-736b7610.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 21:19:56 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 21:34:09 *** SpComb^ [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has joined #openttd 21:35:53 *** SpComb [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:42:08 *** [1]Roujin [~Roujin@mnch-4d04f7ff.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 21:48:03 *** Roujin [~Roujin@mnch-4d04f7ff.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:50:20 *** divo [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:51:31 *** Gekz [~brendan@121.218.49.21] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:56:19 *** Frostregen_ [~sucks@dslb-084-058-166-162.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 21:56:25 *** planetmaker [~chatzilla@Fcef2.f.ppp-pool.de] has quit [Quit: Good bye!] 21:56:40 *** Frostregen_ [~sucks@dslb-084-058-166-162.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [] 21:56:43 *** Frostregen_ [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-166-162.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 21:56:54 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 22:00:25 *** Slowpoke [~Lobster@dslb-088-073-228-216.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 22:01:13 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-178-251.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:01:22 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 22:09:10 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-31-247.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 22:15:38 *** Mirrakor [~linuser@p57B2EFD7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:18:43 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-166-162.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:23:12 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B7895C.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:25:43 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:27:02 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 22:32:16 *** stillunk1own [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 22:33:54 *** stillunk1own [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [] 22:34:55 <Eddi|zuHause2> http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=130179137947 22:35:06 <Eddi|zuHause2> [german] 22:41:52 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause2: nice one :-) 22:42:17 <Eddi|zuHause2> night 22:42:44 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 22:42:48 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93-80-101-255.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:43:04 *** [1]Roujin [~Roujin@mnch-4d04f7ff.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- IRC with a difference] 22:50:10 <jez9999> Ammler: you suddenly felt an urge to buy a pot from eBay?? 22:51:04 <Sacro> buying pot from ebay> 22:51:26 <jez9999> i wish 22:51:30 <jez9999> hash brownies direct? 22:52:26 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-169-141.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 22:52:46 <Ammler> wll, IPod=eipot=egg pot 22:53:28 <jez9999> wtf? 22:53:38 <peter1138> strange germans 22:54:53 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl7-189-222.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:57:14 <jez9999> why is OpenTTD more popular in Europe than the US? 22:57:15 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:57:24 *** Wolf01|AWAY is now known as Wolf01 22:57:37 <peter1138> who knows 22:57:48 <Bjarni> <Sacro> buying pot from ebay> <-- well... I guess they have some sort of hashtable in their database. Now we know why ;) 23:00:06 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 23:01:18 <jez9999> yeah....... 23:01:29 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 23:02:50 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has quit [] 23:03:24 <Wolf01> 'night 23:03:35 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@87.2.235.86] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 23:05:35 <Bjarni> <jez9999> why is OpenTTD more popular in Europe than the US? <-- we would have to make a survey in order to answer that one 23:06:03 <Bjarni> putting up a poll on the forum wouldn't really give a decent result so we simply don't know the answer to the question 23:06:19 <Bjarni> besides 23:06:27 <Bjarni> why should we care? 23:07:05 <Bjarni> I mean why should we care for the reason. It's not like we would add killer robots or aliens if that is what it takes to become popular in the US 23:08:13 <SmatZ> :) 23:09:03 <jordi> Bjarni: still it's an interesting question 23:09:10 <Bjarni> yeah 23:09:23 <Bjarni> but your guess at the answer is as good as mine 23:09:24 <jordi> I don't think he expected an answer to it 23:09:26 <Bjarni> well 23:09:29 <Bjarni> maybe XD 23:10:12 <jordi> anyway, the makefile fixes are in Debian now, and it can be built for all architectures 23:11:02 <peter1138> m68k! 23:11:09 <Bjarni> I guess it could be that a lot of players heard about the game from friends and then it more or less by random got more players in Europe then more people talked about it in Europe so the growth of players in Europe increased 23:13:40 <jordi> Bjarni: maybe the American public is used to other kind of entertainment, more action or so, due to the kind of mass-media culture they have there. I don't know; generalising like this is silly, but it's also true that the American and European cinema productions are quite different. 23:14:00 <jordi> and directors like Woody Allen are totally ignored in their own country, but praised in Europe 23:14:12 <jordi> so there's some kind of difference after all 23:15:00 <Bjarni> when they made that Mr. Bean movie they aimed at the US marked (that's why he travelled there) and it was a disaster in the US (both in the movie and in the cinemas) 23:15:14 <Bjarni> however as a big surprise they liked it in Australia 23:15:25 <Bjarni> and nobody knows why 23:16:30 <jordi> heh 23:17:04 <Bjarni> maybe some advertising in the US would help 23:17:32 <Bjarni> however since we don't gain money from gaining more players it wouldn't be sane to invest in advertising anywhere 23:17:55 <Sacro> Bjarni! 23:18:10 <Bjarni> maybe Sacro has the answer 23:18:15 <Sacro> he does! 23:18:48 <Bjarni> the Americans are too stupid to figure out what the game is all about? 23:19:03 <Sacro> well no, Microprose was a british company 23:19:09 <Sacro> and sold mainly over Europe 23:19:21 <Sacro> so I doubt the game had much exposure over in the US 23:19:30 <Sacro> what with it mainly being British 23:19:38 <Bjarni> that could be a reason 23:19:39 <Sacro> ie british vehicles a 23:20:08 <Bjarni> but that can't explain the Hungarian interest in the game 23:20:29 <Bjarni> I mean the Hungarians picked OTTD as best free game of the year 23:20:31 <Bjarni> twice 23:21:37 <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: Get someone to do a writeup of openttd for DPotD or similar 23:21:57 <Sacro> Bjarni: what else is there to do in Hungary? 23:22:08 <Sacro> you can only eat so much goulash 23:22:24 <Bjarni> DPotD? 23:23:24 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl7-178-157.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 23:23:34 <Prof_Frink> Debian Package of t'day 23:23:40 <Bjarni> <Sacro> Bjarni: what else is there to do in Hungary? <-- play other games. Considering the country was under strong communistic influence in the TT era and the communists didn't believe in copyright for software they could just copy whatever game they wanted 23:24:56 <jordi> they could play freeciv and try to win the game only using Communism as the ruling style. :) 23:25:14 * jordi also maintains Freeciv in Debian </nb> 23:25:42 <peter1138> the hungarians are revolting! 23:26:25 <jordi> Bjarni: btw, jokes about stupid Americans are not really funny, it's like a meme, but there's so many really dumb people in Europe who wouldn't know how many countries are in the Union right now... 23:26:39 <jordi> peter1138: the Hungarians are no more! 23:26:55 <jordi> so, Freeciv has a Spanish nation, but also a Catalan nation 23:27:11 <Sacro> the union? 23:27:13 <Sacro> which union? 23:27:13 <peter1138> bjarnis jokes are never funny 23:27:25 <jordi> One has Valencia as one of its major cities, while the others have ValÚncia 23:27:30 <jordi> and that isn't fun. :) 23:27:33 <jordi> Sacro: er, EU? 23:27:39 <Sacro> 17 countries 23:27:46 <Bjarni> at one time my brother tried playing freeciv in MP and he thought he did good (could beat the computer at a hard level in normal civ) and all of a sudden somebody started building wonders that indicated that he had like twice the amount of techs... and this is bad when the wonders were in the industrial era 23:27:50 <jordi> Sacro: is that also a joke? 23:27:56 <Sacro> nope 23:27:58 <dih> :-) 23:28:05 <Sacro> that's what i learnt at school 23:28:18 <Bjarni> turned out that he played against some pretty hardcore games (might even have written the game as it took place at that uni around that time) 23:28:23 <jordi> Sacro: well, wrong. 23:28:29 <jordi> it was 15 not that long ago 23:28:45 <jordi> then went to 25 recently, and to 27 even more recently 23:29:06 <jordi> Bjarni: wow 23:29:19 <Bjarni> <jordi> Bjarni: btw, jokes about stupid Americans are not really funny <-- actually the point was more like trying to guess what Sacro would state as a reason but it turned out that he was actually serious this time 23:29:21 <jordi> Bjarni: I'm always ashamed of playing these gameso nline 23:29:49 <jordi> there's always really hardcore players around 23:29:54 <jordi> and make me feel very stupid 23:29:56 <Sacro> Bjarni: i'm not as stupid as you may think 23:30:08 <Bjarni> I know 23:30:24 <Bjarni> to be honest I don't think you are stupid at all 23:30:32 <jez9999> i did think it was more popular in Europe because we have way more trains than over there 23:30:54 <jez9999> but i dont think so, i dont tend to use trains anyway, the fun of the game is inherent. anyway as someone said before it's probably because Microprose didn't push it in the US 23:30:58 <jez9999> (TT) 23:31:15 <jez9999> i wish microprose still existed 23:31:19 <Bjarni> I think the arctic and desert sets were aimed at the US marked as they are full of US trains but it kind of sucks that they have the same top speed :/ 23:31:26 <jez9999> they kick the shit out of anything EA ever came up with 23:31:45 <Sacro> jez9999: "someone"? 23:31:57 <jez9999> yeah, their name looked particularly unimportant ;-) 23:32:27 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:33:00 <Sacro> pfft 23:33:43 <jordi> Sacro: 27 in the present, but will go over 30 sooner than later: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:European_Union_member_states_with_applications.svg 23:34:13 <jordi> heh 23:34:24 <jordi> I had no idea Morocco tried to enter the EU 23:35:18 <jez9999> ditto 23:35:21 <Bjarni> I'm surprised that they were sane enough to reject it. It feels like they want to expand into the entire planet if they could 23:35:41 <jez9999> yeah but then they'd have to rename it the European and Tinpot Dictators Union 23:35:53 * Sacro wants to be a tinpot dictator 23:36:02 <Bjarni> well 23:36:07 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C0D7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:36:13 <Bjarni> the EU politicians don't want to have elections anyway 23:36:34 <jez9999> the EP sort of do 23:36:46 <jez9999> not that i like their 'directives' 23:37:07 <jez9999> the only one that was any good, forcing car insurance companies not to be sexist, was dropped 23:38:10 <Bjarni> they can agree to issue directives telling stuff like how much a cucumber is allowed to bend 23:38:22 <dih> ^^ 23:38:23 <Bjarni> if it bends too much then you aren't allowed to sell it at any price 23:38:36 <dih> or in one piece 23:38:51 <dih> but you may shredd it and make a salad out of it 23:38:57 <dih> and you may sell that 23:39:06 <Bjarni> I'm not even sure if that is allowed 23:39:19 <jez9999> all i know is, Tesco sell me beaten up bananas 23:39:29 <jez9999> i wish they'd issue a directive requiring bananas to be unbruised 23:39:31 <dih> tesco stibks ^^ 23:39:50 <dih> i always went to sainsburry or marks n sparks 23:39:58 <dih> :-P 23:40:18 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:40:22 <Bjarni> they made a minimum size for tomatoes meaning that the slow growing and small but really tasty tomatoes are banned 23:40:37 <dih> coctail? 23:40:40 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 23:40:45 <Bjarni> no tomatoes 23:40:57 <dih> coctail tomatoes! 23:41:10 <Bjarni> uncrushed ketchup in your world 23:41:15 <jordi> the EP is useless 23:41:22 <jordi> the EC can piss on their votes 23:41:29 <jordi> as shown by the patents fiasco 23:41:50 <jez9999> software patents are being majorly held up in Europe 23:44:51 <Bjarni> wtf there is talk about Israel joining EU 23:44:59 <jordi> I know, but the commission has promised to find ways to resurrect the project back from the dead after the parliament voted against it 23:45:12 <jordi> Bjarni: Israel, east Europe. 23:45:13 <jordi> heh 23:46:27 <jordi> 2862 D+ Apr 02 Debian Installe ( 11) openttd_0.6.0-2_i386.changes REJECTED 23:46:29 <jordi> fuck 23:46:36 <Bjarni> ? 23:46:42 <SmatZ> what? 23:46:51 <jordi> tar.gz md5sum mismatch 23:47:00 <jordi> iow, I fucked up I think 23:48:03 <jez9999> the EuroVision has Israel in :-) 23:48:26 <dih> night 23:48:37 <Bjarni> expanding EU from 15 to 25 countries were a really hot topic. Those in favour of doing it said that the people over there wouldn't come here 23:48:45 <Bjarni> and now we have Polish workers everywhere 23:49:03 <Bjarni> we can deal with that (more or less) 23:49:19 <Bjarni> the problem is that the criminals also figured out that they could come here 23:49:52 <Bjarni> so now we have an increase in armed robberies and murders due to people coming from Eastern Europe 23:50:20 <SmatZ> it sounds like people from the Easter Europe were all murderers and robbers :-x 23:50:30 <SmatZ> I miss "some" in your sentence 23:50:40 <Bjarni> and we went from nearly no pocket thieves to a severe issue due to organised import of trained thieves 23:50:42 <SmatZ> ... due to SOME people... 23:50:44 <jez9999> Bjarni: heh, polish workers everywhere :-) 23:50:51 <jez9999> i thought the UK were the only ones with that problem 23:51:43 <Bjarni> <SmatZ> it sounds like people from the Easter Europe were all murderers and robbers :-x <-- I didn't write that. I wrote "the criminals" which is (hopefully) a small group compared to the whole population in Eastern Europe 23:52:27 <jez9999> im guessing a ton of money is flowing into Poland at the moment 23:52:28 <jez9999> cant last forever 23:52:37 <jez9999> seems pretty unfair to other countries though 23:52:51 <Bjarni> actually it's a problem for Poland because they export their workforce 23:53:08 <Bjarni> so they have to hire workers from the east of Poland 23:53:27 <Bjarni> the country as a whole is losing money on this 23:54:06 <jordi> jez9999: a lot of money flowed into Spain and Poland 23:54:19 <jordi> that money is going to Estonia, Latvia and so now, though. 23:54:23 <jordi> Which is the fair thing. 23:54:28 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499FD6E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: dR3x4cK] 23:54:31 <Bjarni> SmatZ: oh now I see what you meant.... and yeah you are right. I didn't mean everybody ;) 23:54:42 <jordi> Spain has benefitted *enormously* from joining the EU 23:54:47 <SmatZ> :) 23:55:02 <Bjarni> <jordi> Spain has benefitted *enormously* from joining the EU <-- at our expense :( 23:55:07 <jordi> we don't get poles though. We get Romanians ;) 23:55:22 <jordi> Bjarni: well, that's a way of seeing it. 23:55:32 <jordi> Vote for an anti-eu party next time 23:55:36 <jordi> and spread the word 23:55:39 <SmatZ> Bjarni: all investations will return in benefits... 23:55:49 <jordi> The fact is that Spain is able to give back now. 23:56:08 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:56:14 <Bjarni> but we will not benefit from it 23:56:43 <jordi> and 40 million live a lot better than after the dictatorship 23:57:14 <jordi> I don't know who "we" is, but really, you should campaign to get out of the EU :) 23:57:25 <Bjarni> you are saying that like EU is needed to get rid of dictators 23:57:38 <jordi> er, no? 23:57:47 <peter1138> thats what bush is for 23:57:53 <jez9999> lol :-) 23:59:06 <Bjarni> <jordi> I don't know who "we" is, but really, you should campaign to get out of the EU :) <-- actually the Lisbon treaty started that talk again. Not the treaty itself but the fact that that there will not be an election 23:59:32 <Bjarni> even though there has to be one according to the constitution