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10:00:58 <Wolf01> hello 10:01:42 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B812CA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:03:14 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B836E2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:03:17 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 10:12:44 *** CIA-1 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:23:53 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 10:24:13 <SmatZ> hello 10:28:47 <Wolf01> hi 10:32:18 *** Nemesis [~Nemesis@217-211-211-179-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 10:32:18 *** Zealotus [~Nemesis@217-211-211-179-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:45:41 *** UserError [~User@c-98-202-77-105.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 10:45:42 *** UserErr0r [~User@c-98-202-77-105.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:46:34 <Wolf01> uh... I can't drag signals ò_O 10:46:47 <Eddi|zuHause3> you fail. 10:46:55 <Patrick`> EPICALLY 10:47:35 <Wolf01> oh, I found why... the convert signal tool, still active also after the signal gui was closed 10:47:37 <ln> please state the nature of the medical emergency 10:47:49 <SmatZ> Wolf01: it should be fixed in trunk 10:48:16 <Wolf01> I'm playing with r12565 :/ 10:48:30 <Wolf01> aka "latest nightly 10:48:32 <Wolf01> " 10:48:46 <Rubidium> that's like ancient 10:48:51 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1DC96.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:49:27 <SmatZ> Wolf01: you are right 10:50:04 <SmatZ> the question is, at least for me, why dragging is disabled for conversion 10:51:26 <Wolf01> message to the dev who'll fix it: fix the trees button too, please... they are ages I'll demolish things thinking of planting trees 10:52:32 <Wolf01> It is a simple line fix: reset active tool when clicking on the trees button :P 10:52:57 <SmatZ> Wolf01: aha, I see 11:03:28 <Wolf01> There's any work on basetunnels? 11:05:52 <Eddi|zuHause3> not on the hacky ttdp kind, i assume 11:06:57 <Wolf01> I'll give it a try 11:07:26 <Wolf01> Because I want to build roads over tunnel entrances too 11:09:07 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 11:10:35 <Eddi|zuHause3> it'd all be solved with multi-layered maps 11:12:48 <snappy> gh that gamer i havent checjked out ye 11:17:07 <Patrick`> I wat to build high bridges over a city :( 11:18:10 <Eddi|zuHause3> hm, i think something crashed 11:18:21 <Wolf01> I want to build bridges over bridges 11:18:35 <Eddi|zuHause3> brb 11:18:52 <Patrick`> crossing tunnels would probably do the job you want 11:19:08 <Wolf01> Yes 2 trains crashed, I removed a signal on a really busy junction :/ 11:19:43 <Wolf01> Tell me how to build a tunnel to cross a valley between mountains 11:20:39 <Eddi|zuHause3> well, it's totally weird, when my / HD [or IDE port] crashes, all loaded programs will go on, as will access to the /home HD [SATA port] 11:20:40 <Patrick`> ah. 11:20:44 <Patrick`> fair enough 11:21:09 <Eddi|zuHause3> but i can't shut down properly 11:21:11 <Wolf01> I want to cross something like 30 tiles long valley, ok the bridge will leave a large gap between trains but I don't care, I play more for eyecandy, and there are bridges 6 levels under my bridge 11:21:12 <Rubidium> Wolf01: remove some ifs and asserts from the tunnel code 11:21:23 <Rubidium> then you can just build a tunnel through mid air 11:21:30 <Wolf01> eheh 11:21:42 <Rubidium> just needs a bump on each side of the valley so the tunnel entrances can be build 11:22:03 <Eddi|zuHause3> hm, now amarok crashed 11:22:08 <Eddi|zuHause3> i really need to reboot 11:22:33 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B77860.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:23:35 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-15-158.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 11:24:30 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:24:37 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 11:24:53 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-15-158.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 11:29:08 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-15-158.adslplus.ch] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:29:08 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-36-6.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 11:30:07 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76AFE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:35:48 <SmatZ> Wolf01: first bug fixed 11:36:32 <SmatZ> hmm that signal GUI code was far from perfect :-x 11:38:12 <Gekz> omg i'm so tired that I'm shaking 11:38:19 <Gekz> yet i can still play frets on fire -_- 11:39:35 *** Volley [~worf@84.119.67.68] has joined #openttd 11:48:25 *** NukeBuster|laptop [~opera@212-182-153-94.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 11:48:57 *** Ridayah [~ridayah@137.81.113.87] has joined #openttd 11:57:01 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c122-107-243-224.eburwd9.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ThePizzaKing] 12:00:08 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:00:10 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:00:22 *** NukeBuster|laptop [~opera@212-182-153-94.ip.telfort.nl] has left #openttd [] 12:00:41 *** NukeBuster|laptop [~opera@212-182-153-94.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 12:09:45 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:12:18 *** gfldex_ [~dex@dslb-088-074-152-160.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 12:14:08 *** gfldex [~dex@dslb-092-078-030-221.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:29:44 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 12:36:40 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 12:37:43 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 12:40:33 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:47:16 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@ip54534322.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 12:49:10 <SmatZ> Wolf01: both your dreams came into reality today :) 12:49:32 <Wolf01> :O basetunnels and custom bridge heads? 12:50:15 <Eddi|zuHause> haha :p 12:50:25 <ln> una ragazza? 12:50:41 <Wolf01> eheh 12:50:42 <SmatZ> Wolf01: no... signal building when the convert signal is active, reset cursor when you open the build trees gui 12:50:54 <SmatZ> but your guess was near :) 12:51:19 <Wolf01> :) 12:51:41 <Eddi|zuHause> so, SmatZ, what about the tunnels anyway? 12:52:13 <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause: Belugas is working on advanced bridges, maybe tunnels will come together, I have no clue... 12:52:31 <Wolf01> nooo shhhhh you shouldn't tell it 12:52:37 <Eddi|zuHause> so you don't actually talk to each other, great ;) 12:52:55 <dih> hehe 13:02:22 *** Digitalfox_ [~Digitalfo@bl7-187-132.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 13:06:55 <Volley> i did read a bit about the custom bridge heads ... Wolf01: what do you mean with basetunnels? 13:07:17 *** Digitalfox [~Digitalfo@bl7-187-132.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:07:19 <Wolf01> the possibility to build over tunnel entrances 13:07:48 <Volley> ah, i see... 13:07:57 *** planetmaker [~chatzilla@Fce1b.f.ppp-pool.de] has joined #openttd 13:08:26 <dih> nice 13:08:50 *** LordAzamath [~questionm@ip114.cab22.ltln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 13:10:10 <Volley> but there are quite some more things i'd also love to see about tunnels ... :) 13:10:41 <Eddi|zuHause> exactly, that's why the hacky TTDP apporach will most likely not be implemented 13:11:00 <Eddi|zuHause> but a more complex system that will have these features as small sideeffects 13:12:09 <Patrick`> bridges that are automatically signalled every tile 13:13:06 <Volley> sideeffects like diagonal directions possible? or maybe eaven angles? :) 13:13:47 <planetmaker> !log 13:13:57 <Patrick`> diagonal bridges would need new grafix 13:15:01 <LordAzamath> planetmaker: try @logs 13:15:04 <Volley> yep, from a graphic point of view this would be easier for tunnels, all you would need are entrances 13:15:21 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 13:15:21 <glx> !logs 13:15:35 <glx> or try the right command ;) 13:15:52 <LordAzamath> arghh 13:16:26 <LordAzamath> meh.. forgetting things already when not been here 13:16:37 * LordAzamath was here yesterday, but it doesn't count 13:20:25 *** Zahl [~Zahl@p549F2A0E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 13:20:41 <Wolf01> we need first tracks going up diagonal slopes, so you can build a straight track without breaking it to climb a slope 13:21:26 <Rubidium> and trains that can actually climb a 5% slope 13:26:21 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.213.121] has joined #openttd 13:28:23 <Wolf01> http://wolf01.game-host.org/OTTD_related/diag_slope.PNG 13:33:18 *** HerzogDeXtE1 [~Flex@89.246.216.213] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:33:29 <planetmaker> glx: thx :) 13:34:30 *** lugo [lugo@p4FD5E132.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:35:19 *** LordAzamath [~questionm@ip114.cab22.ltln.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.13/2008031114]] 13:36:36 <larsemil> is there a good SDL tutorial/howto? 13:38:24 <Sacro> yes 13:38:57 *** Nemesis [~Nemesis@217-211-211-179-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:39:52 *** Zealotus [~Nemesis@217-211-211-179-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 13:41:28 *** llugo [lugo@p4FD5DBF5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:43:10 * Forked compiles 13:43:24 <larsemil> Sacro: do you have a url? 13:43:37 <Sacro> i have lots 13:43:43 <Sacro> though not as many as google 13:44:36 <Alberth> google doesn't have them, they just save pointers to them :P 13:44:45 <Sacro> or sdl.org 13:45:24 <Eddi|zuHause> urls ARE pointers 13:45:57 <Forked> haven't seen gonozal in a while.. did his patchpack destroy him? :\ 13:46:00 <Alberth> euh, you are right, sorry 13:47:37 <Alberth> Is the bottom window special? (ie _z_windows[0]) In functions like FindWindowFromPt() and DecreaseWindowCounters() they seem to skip it 13:47:59 <Rubidium> it's the viewport 13:49:04 <Sacro> don't remove that 13:49:09 <Sacro> everything will fall out the bottom 13:49:59 <Alberth> You don't want to see your desktop background between the Windows? :) 13:51:33 <larsemil> Sacro: thnx for nothing 13:52:00 <Sacro> You're welcome :) 13:52:11 * Sacro is good at doing nothing 13:52:53 <Wolf01> anybody knows a good grf with automobiles compatible with long vehicles? 13:53:30 <Ammler> 4lv is already RV 13:53:51 <Ammler> do you mean trams? 13:53:55 <Wolf01> but it doesn't have automobiles 13:53:57 <Wolf01> cars 13:54:12 <Wolf01> 4-5 passengers max 13:54:27 <Wolf01> so I can purchase 400 of them to populate the roads 13:54:33 <Ammler> :-) 13:54:39 <Ammler> there is something like funnycars 13:54:52 <Ammler> pizzabote 13:55:34 <Ammler> Wolf01: http://www.tt-ms.de/forum/attachment.php?aid=802 13:56:08 <Gekz> are there pictures in that link 13:56:27 <Ammler> no, is a excel list with links to the GRFs 13:56:58 <Ammler> http://bernhard.people.tt-ms.de/TTD/FunnyCars.rar 13:58:17 <Ammler> and as always, please have a look on the readme :-) 13:58:43 <Ammler> you can change the VehID... 14:01:55 *** sickie88 [~sickie@BSN-77-85-157.dial-up.dsl.siol.net] has joined #openttd 14:03:58 <Eddi|zuHause> <Forked> haven't seen gonozal in a while.. did his patchpack destroy him? :\ <- he suffered from the sun, i presume 14:04:40 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78.107.166.29] has joined #openttd 14:05:32 <sickie88> I too wander where he is 14:10:45 <Ammler> @seen Gonozal_VII 14:10:45 <DorpsGek> Ammler: I have not seen Gonozal_VII. 14:11:11 <Ammler> @seen Gono* 14:11:12 <DorpsGek> Ammler: Gono* could be Gonozal_VIII (2 weeks, 1 day, 12 hours, 2 minutes, and 17 seconds ago), Gonozal (5 weeks, 4 days, 8 hours, 28 minutes, and 6 seconds ago), Gonozal_VIIIe (7 weeks, 0 days, 17 hours, 11 minutes, and 57 seconds ago), Gonozal_ (15 weeks, 0 days, 16 hours, 33 minutes, and 2 seconds ago), Gonozal_VIII_ (15 weeks, 1 day, 17 hours, 55 minutes, and 0 seconds ago), gono_ping_timeout (15 weeks, 5 days, 18 (1 more message) 14:14:33 <planetmaker> SCNR: if you wander where he is, you can stop us wondering ;) 14:16:16 <Wolf01> nice a taxi has 1,336,xxx of running cost... a coach 390,xxx 14:16:23 <Wolf01> they are really funny 14:16:24 <Wolf01> XD 14:17:29 <dih> @seen SpComb 14:17:29 <DorpsGek> dih: SpComb was last seen in #openttd 1 hour, 2 minutes, and 8 seconds ago: <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 14:17:47 <dih> hey Sir SpComb - you arrr ound? 14:18:06 *** dragonhorseboy [~dragonhor@modemcable147.26-58-74.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 14:35:32 <Eddi|zuHause> that line is all he ever says ;)= 14:36:24 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... "Lissi" is a great movie ;) 14:45:41 <dragonhorseboy> eddi just asking as I kinda recall bringing it up once... 14:45:51 <dragonhorseboy> have anyone fixed that silly problem with lighthouses sitting on foundations? :p 14:47:17 <dih> is it? i was thinking og buying it 14:51:49 <SpComb> dih: semi 14:53:34 <dih> hey hey 14:53:54 <dih> we were wondering if you could be had for a lil python project 14:55:21 <dih> SpCombe seems like a fastly (?:dis)?appearing person 14:55:25 <dih> -e 14:57:16 <Patrick`> I can do python 14:57:17 <Patrick`> what is it? 14:58:18 <Sacro> Patrick`: a long snake, poisenous 14:58:37 <dih> i am asking SpComb for a reason... :-) 14:58:59 <dih> but its rewriting autopilot 14:59:18 <dih> tcl sucks ^^ 14:59:21 *** dragonhorseboy [~dragonhor@modemcable147.26-58-74.mc.videotron.ca] has left #openttd [] 15:00:21 <Patrick`> dih: hmm 15:00:26 <Patrick`> I don't have a lot of free time atm 15:00:27 <Patrick`> pesky life 15:01:26 <Eddi|zuHause> dih: it is definitely fun to watch, if you know at least half of the references ;) 15:03:02 <dih> lol 15:03:42 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:06:30 <SpComb> dih: I'm doing lights for a theatre production (that starts in... 10 seconds) 15:07:09 <SpComb> so on the long term, tell me more, but in the short term... not quite yet 15:07:12 <Ammler> hmm, then you have enough time :P 15:14:53 <SpComb> as for autopilot... something to progrsamattically interface with the OpenTTD console? 15:17:08 <dih> :-) 15:17:26 <dih> when you dont know a word just smile and nod 15:17:41 <Ridayah> dang, now I wish you could have per-cargo orders for a train. Although that'd probably be a pain to code. 15:17:59 <dih> code it 15:18:14 <Ridayah> If I find time, I might have to. 15:20:25 <SpComb> the issue with that is that MyOTTD development is (slowly) heading in another direction 15:20:48 <dih> define 'another' 15:21:05 <SpComb> modules that are compiled against the OpenTTD source code and then accessed via a binary interface 15:21:43 <SpComb> i.e. I'll statically link my own code into the OpenTTD binaries that I run 15:22:00 <dih> well - autopilot is not supposed to replace myottd 15:22:14 <dih> the main interest i guess is the irc bridge 15:22:28 <dih> and that the bridge can recover itself 15:22:43 <SpComb> I know, but my meaning was that the MyOTTD code that I write may not be that relevant for autopilot 15:22:48 <dih> and that ap config can be reloaded without needint to restart the game 15:23:06 <dih> no - it might not be :-) 15:23:23 <dih> although a irc bridge for myottd could be interesting too 15:23:42 <SpComb> I'll eventually get around to it 15:23:56 <dih> :-) 15:24:08 <Ammler> all we need is myottd.net with ircbridge :-) 15:24:30 * SpComb wrote another simple irc-bot-daemon recently, which is pretty close to what MyOTTD needs 15:25:09 <SpComb> (i.e. a separate daemon that handles the IRC connection(s)) 15:25:34 <Ammler> then, we have to fight with installing myottd.net on our own server :-) 15:25:35 *** Digitalfox_ [~Digitalfo@bl7-187-132.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:25:36 <SpComb> and then a syslog relay on top of that 15:25:58 <Wolf01> my bot doesn't work instead... it hangs on loading the uptime module... it has been shut down for 3 months 15:25:59 <SpComb> yeah, and that's the difference betwneen myottd and autopilot 15:26:51 <SpComb> one's intended to be a colossal centralized thing and the other a self-contained scriptt 15:28:24 <Ammler> current server can host about 2 games 15:28:55 <Ammler> you can't keep them centralized 15:29:10 <Ammler> or you would need a huge cluster 15:33:33 <Eddi|zuHause> sure, my university has one of those ;) 15:33:45 <Sacro> yeah 15:33:55 <Sacro> we have a 64 cpu cluster 15:34:06 <Eddi|zuHause> 64 is nothing 15:34:12 <peter1138> :( 15:34:17 * peter1138 has 4 cpu pc... 15:34:19 <peter1138> ish 15:34:42 <peter1138> it even suspends and resumes properly :D 15:36:37 *** Digitalfox [~Digitalfo@bl7-187-132.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 15:43:21 <SpComb> Ammler: the the next server will be able to host 16 games 15:43:27 <SpComb> *then 15:43:57 <Ammler> peter1138: one game per cpu 15:44:05 <Ammler> (running game) 15:44:25 <Ammler> :-) 15:44:53 <SpComb> but yes... it's a bit of an issue, can't really figure out how to implement my ISK system 15:46:44 <Ammler> and when pbs will be in trunk, you need about 2 cpus for one game 15:47:33 <Sacro> YAPP in trunk? 15:47:40 <Sacro> i guess me and peter1138 are testing it 15:47:54 <Ammler> you don't think, it will go to trunk? 15:48:32 <Ammler> it needs about 2 times more then usual games in our tests... 15:48:53 <Ammler> 2-4 times 15:49:03 <peter1138> i didn't notice 15:49:10 <peter1138> but then i don't play stupidly large games 15:49:17 <Ammler> did you play with about 300 trains? 15:49:18 <SpComb> PBS is multithreaded? 15:49:29 <Ammler> :-) 15:50:11 <Ammler> usually we can have 500-800 trains to bring Brianetta's server to limit 15:50:25 <Ammler> with YAPP, we reachad that limit with 300 15:50:43 <peter1138> hmm 15:50:51 <peter1138> i ought to get a 4 pin pwm case fn 15:50:53 <peter1138> *fan 15:51:03 <peter1138> i just unplugged the 3 pin fan i have and box is near silent 15:51:03 <Ammler> but that was with v4.3 15:52:06 <SpComb> Ammler: how many online players? What hardware? 15:52:16 *** jp [~Miranda@dslb-088-066-017-051.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 15:52:21 <Ammler> well, its not the newest server 15:52:23 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 15:52:31 <Ammler> amount of online player doesn't matter much 15:52:43 <SpComb> I mean the 500-800 trains stat 15:52:44 <Ammler> 2-3 15:52:57 * SpComb in interested in real-world performance stats 15:53:34 <Ammler> but you can try the wwottdgd/1 save 15:53:38 <Ammler> if you like to make a real test :-) 15:54:04 <SpComb> what about the hardware? 15:54:49 <Ammler> cat /proc/cpuinfo ? 15:55:13 <Ammler> Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 3.20GHz 15:55:30 <Ammler> 4 cores 15:55:48 <Ammler> but it doesn't matter for ottd 15:55:52 <SpComb> openttd doesn't multithread does it? 15:55:56 <Ammler> no 15:56:01 <Patrick`> saving is done in a separate thread 15:56:08 <Ammler> that means you can run 4 ottd server at same time :-) 15:56:11 <Patrick`> well, compression of saves 15:56:27 <SpComb> right, so one 3.20Ghz core runs a 500-800 train 2048x2048 map? 15:56:31 <Ammler> but that was a real huge game 15:56:47 <Ammler> not many clients at the end was able to join 15:56:58 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@ip54534322.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:57:10 <Ammler> no, that was the server for wwottdgd 15:57:40 <Ammler> Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1.80GHz <-- 800 trains 15:57:46 <SpComb> ah 15:57:54 *** CIA-1 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #openttd 15:58:34 <Eddi|zuHause> oh that were the times when you could play TT on a 25MHz CPU 15:58:35 <SpComb> but how many OpenTTD servers have 500-800 trains? 15:58:41 <Ammler> we hat about 2000 vehicels on the wwottdgd 15:59:07 <Eddi|zuHause> 8 players with 100 trains each? 15:59:18 <Ammler> before I 15:59:25 <SpComb> the average game of OpenTTD probably doesn't use quite as much CPU-time... 15:59:36 <Ammler> joined coop, I played often at sandra.bullock 15:59:43 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@ip54534322.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 15:59:46 <Ammler> that was really annoying at the end 16:00:01 <Ammler> I guess, that was Chris, he had about 4 servers at same time 16:01:32 <Patrick`> hmm 16:01:36 <Ammler> SpComb: your service is very buggy now, but when it will go stable, many (maybe also coop) would be intereseted in your service. 16:01:38 <Patrick`> I need to play some more ottd online 16:02:02 <Patrick`> SpComb: if you work more towards bundling the software, maybe others will share the (server) load :) 16:02:28 <SpComb> Ammler: yeah, that's the reality and I know it (the buggy-bit) 16:03:01 <SpComb> although I did once use myottd myself to host a game that I played for 12 hours or so, and it *did* work 16:03:46 <SpComb> distributing software is in many ways a lot more difficult than just running it yourself 16:04:06 <SpComb> althoguh I can't exactly claim that the latter is easy either... 16:04:11 <Ammler> I tried to bring a ECS game running at your server 16:04:17 <SpComb> the two just pose different problems 16:04:31 <Ammler> but its really hard handling GRFs there 16:04:42 <SpComb> what part broke? 16:04:57 <Ammler> well, you get Error page everytime if you login 16:05:20 <Ammler> then you loose the grfs, when you change the version of ottd 16:05:55 <SpComb> hmm... weird 16:06:07 <Ammler> I heard the login part also from others. 16:06:21 <Ammler> most time you aren't able to rejoin 16:06:34 <SpComb> yeah, I have that myself (the login thing) 16:06:40 <SpComb> rejoin? 16:06:51 <Ammler> to reconfigure something on your server 16:07:09 <SpComb> you mean rejoin after restart? 16:07:22 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 16:07:28 <Ammler> yeah relogin after a week or so 16:08:01 <Ammler> I loded the half ottdc_grfpack 16:08:16 <Ammler> you can imagine, how long that takes over your form :-) 16:08:49 <Ammler> and then, I thought, go to update to new version 16:09:47 <Ammler> thats why I asked you to take our pack as common grfs 16:12:22 *** svippy [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 16:12:22 *** svip [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:13:10 <SpComb> what happaned after you changed the version? The list of grfs cleared itself? Or just the tick-boxes? 16:13:27 <Ammler> no all, grfs are lost 16:13:43 <SpComb> don't show up on the list anymore? 16:13:52 <SpComb> that's weird 16:13:53 <Ammler> looked liked they belong to the version 16:14:16 <Ammler> well, let me take a look 16:14:29 *** sickie88 [~sickie@BSN-77-85-157.dial-up.dsl.siol.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:15:50 <Ammler> wow, not able to login now.. 16:16:02 <SpComb> it really shouldn't do that 16:16:19 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-88-79.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: The ending changes tone & is actually quite sad - but it involves a scene of necrophilia, so that's just another plus in my book.....] 16:16:40 <Ammler> SpComb: http://paste.openttd.org/1848 16:17:04 <Ammler> hmm, I have them now 16:17:10 <Ammler> I mean the GRFs 16:18:07 <Ammler> hehej, it WORKS :-) 16:18:09 <SpComb> yeah, the login error i known, I meant the grf thing 16:18:29 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-88-79.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 16:18:29 <Sacro> i want cheese :( 16:19:07 <Ammler> SpComb: not a error, but how are the GRFs sorted? 16:19:28 <SpComb> you do need to start a new game to use the grfs though, and the UI doesn't reflect that 16:19:36 <SpComb> Ammler: they... aren't 16:19:50 <Ammler> order, like I upload? 16:19:58 <Ammler> or like filesystem? 16:20:26 <SpComb> not entirely sure, I suspect that it reflects the order that they're un on the web page 16:22:47 <SpComb> there's no UI to chnage the order though 16:23:15 <Ammler> you could use the coop pack and order like filesystem 16:23:43 <Ammler> hehe, just loaded same rev as coop ps and it seems to work 16:24:07 <Ammler> you only have to fight with login then 16:24:26 <Ammler> is that because of the different subdomains? 16:24:40 <Ammler> (handling of cookies etc.) 16:25:45 * Ammler is trying rcon.. 16:27:34 <Ammler> omg, it really seems to work, did you make some updates, SpComb? 16:29:21 <Ammler> SpComb: could I prepar a GRFPack, which you could upload there? 16:31:45 <SpComb> no, I copy-paste-monkey-patched support for (hardcoded) cookie domains into pylons... it's probably related to that, but not a darn clue how and it's Ã¥retty difficult to debug 16:31:55 <SpComb> possible 16:32:31 <SpComb> but the GRF-UI needs some tweaking if you were to stick a couple dozen GRFs into the list 16:32:42 <Ammler> hmm 16:32:59 <Ammler> our pack is prepared for using as it is 16:33:08 <Ammler> the order is right 16:33:34 <Ammler> our webconfig tool has no order possibitly either 16:34:24 <Ammler> you "just" need to use the order of the filestructure 16:35:45 <Ammler> the game configuration is quite cool 16:36:36 *** Volley [~worf@84.119.67.68] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:38:54 *** henkie [~henkie@tdlnx.student.utwente.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:40:40 <Ammler> SpComb: http://paste.openttd.org/1849 <-- error after restart 16:42:03 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-136-232-74.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 16:42:18 <Ammler> SpComb: I am not able to start a new game 16:42:27 <Ammler> it allways takes auto.sav 16:43:58 <Ammler> (workaround over rcon: newgame) 16:48:01 <SpComb> you mean if you do new random game? 16:48:28 <SpComb> ugh... quotes 16:48:37 <SpComb> what's yur server's id? 16:50:23 *** CIA-1 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:50:40 <Ammler> 12 16:50:58 <Maedhros> hmm. 0.5.3 isn't marked stable yet in Gentoo/AMD64 ... 16:51:52 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 16:51:52 *** svippy [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:51:54 *** svippy [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 16:53:35 <SpComb> is the config still broken? 16:54:21 <SpComb> are those values supposed to be numeric or something? 16:54:32 <SpComb> I don't see any extra quotes in the .cfg 16:55:07 <Ammler> hmm, after newgame 16:55:15 <Ammler> those errors didn't appear 16:55:32 <Patrick`> HAMMERTIME 17:08:37 <Ammler> SpComb: http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/GRF#Download 17:10:01 *** svippery [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 17:10:01 *** svippy [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:12:17 *** Volley [~worf@84.119.67.68] has joined #openttd 17:17:38 *** eax_ [~eax@0x573bca95.banqu1.broadband.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 17:22:46 *** nfc [nfc@dsl-hkibrasgw2-ff6ec300-105.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:25:43 *** Purno_ [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 17:32:33 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:33:54 *** eax_ [~eax@0x573bca95.banqu1.broadband.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 17:36:17 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:36:47 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 17:49:53 *** Arie- [asdfsadf@villabadmuts.adsl.utwente.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:50:36 *** Arie- [asdfsadf@villabadmuts.adsl.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 17:52:21 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@78-21-225-220.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:52:21 *** svippery [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:52:30 *** svippery [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 17:56:05 *** jp [~Miranda@dslb-088-066-017-051.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: jp] 18:08:41 *** Purno_ [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else.] 18:09:47 *** Mark [~Mark@5351EE62.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Chicks dig it] 18:17:05 *** Mirrakor [~linuser@p57B2D85B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:22:20 <edeca> I'm playing with that newgrf package from above and it looks good 18:22:30 <edeca> But it says "too many newgrfs" :( 18:22:39 <Ammler> :-) 18:22:40 <edeca> Can that be increased, or do I need to pick & choose the ones I want 18:22:47 <edeca> I WANT IT ALL! ;) 18:22:48 <Ammler> not meant to all at same time 18:23:07 *** Osai^zZz`off is now known as Osai 18:23:26 <edeca> Why not? Damnit all :) 18:23:40 <Ammler> lol 18:24:06 <edeca> Aah well, I'll sift through 18:24:11 <Ammler> the limit is around 50 18:24:29 <edeca> Some of them I definitely don't care about, but some seem nice 18:24:34 <edeca> The map looks pretty :) 18:24:40 <edeca> Can you enable more than one alternate train set? 18:25:07 <Ammler> with a special patch 18:25:27 <edeca> That's cool. I like the UKRS anyway, but I wouldn't mind trying some of hte others 18:25:36 <edeca> New road vehicles and trams seem good though, I've not tried them 18:26:55 <Eddi|zuHause> general rule is: only one set of each kind (e.g. train, road, tram), unless they state that they should be used together (e.g. ECS industries) 18:27:38 <Eddi|zuHause> station sets are free to use however many you like 18:28:58 <Maedhros> you can use as many house sets as you like, too (although there's a limit of 402 new houses) 18:29:19 <edeca> Ah, brilliant 18:29:22 <edeca> There are some nice newgrfs 18:29:33 <edeca> New industries might be fun too 18:30:17 <Eddi|zuHause> the problem with newindustries is that some transportation sets are not designed to transport all these cargos 18:31:04 <edeca> Arr 18:31:36 <Sacro> Yarr 18:33:34 <edeca> So UKRS isn't going to work well with them? :( 18:34:54 *** Volley [~worf@84.119.67.68] has quit [] 18:35:17 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not sure about that 18:35:24 <Ammler> UKRS has ECS Support 18:35:25 <Eddi|zuHause> it will definitely go well with PBI 18:35:41 <Ammler> please have a look on the GRFLIST in the pack 18:35:52 <Ammler> you will find links to documentations 18:36:02 <edeca> Thanks 18:36:06 <edeca> It's just all very confusing :) 18:36:06 <Ammler> there is a nice wiki page about ECS 18:36:30 <Eddi|zuHause> DBSetXL will need an extension for the cargos 18:38:44 *** henkie [not@tdlnx.student.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 18:42:12 *** Mirrakor [~linuser@p57B2D85B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:45:30 <edeca> Haha, the TEA Tanker Wagon can be refitted to take "tourists" 18:45:40 <edeca> I've got a newgrf set that looks cool now though, time to play with it 18:46:18 <edeca> Some of the new industries look funny though 18:46:21 <yorick> and livestock ;) 18:48:40 <henkie> hmm, some newgrf seem to slowdown the random scenario generator 18:49:46 <henkie> too bad it doesnt do that multithreaded :) 18:51:38 <yorick> how? 18:52:21 <henkie> how? 18:55:19 <glx> henkie: ECS usually 18:55:43 <glx> they have very restrictive landscaping needs 18:56:29 <henkie> ah, it does 1 industry/sec (in 2048x2048) 18:58:01 <henkie> i removed one (something with brick) and now i goes a little faster 18:58:34 <henkie> still slow tho, but time to make dinner :) 19:02:17 *** nfc [nfc@dsl-hkibrasgw2-fe4dde00-190.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 19:10:43 *** nfc [nfc@dsl-hkibrasgw2-fe4dde00-190.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: asdf] 19:10:57 *** sickie88 [~sickie@BSN-77-85-157.dial-up.dsl.siol.net] has joined #openttd 19:11:59 <Osai> hi all 19:14:38 *** nfc [nfc@dsl-hkibrasgw2-fe4dde00-190.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 19:15:28 <Eddi|zuHause> henkie: try very low amount of industries 19:15:50 <Eddi|zuHause> they'll all close down before you can connect them anyway ;) 19:24:30 <Wolf01> anybody uses Code::Blocks? I'm looking at how to adding a new build target 19:30:56 <Wolf01> np, I manually modified the template of the project 19:33:30 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1DC96.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:47:32 *** sickie88 [~sickie@BSN-77-85-157.dial-up.dsl.siol.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:07:39 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 20:25:27 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: And I quit] 20:33:25 *** svippy [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 20:33:25 *** svippery [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:44:27 <edeca> I don't appear to have oil tankers in 1945, have I screwed up with newgrfs :( 20:45:02 <Ammler> did you read the readme about newships? 20:45:47 <edeca> Probably not :) 20:46:23 <edeca> Grr. 20:46:26 <Ammler> its all in the pack 20:47:31 * edeca is reading 20:47:35 <Ammler> :-) 20:47:38 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-136-232-74.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:48:12 <edeca> I don't see any warnings in there, what am I missing? 20:48:23 *** Mark [~Mark@5351EE62.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 20:49:26 <Ammler> newships is the only ship replacement grf 20:49:53 *** CIA-3 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #openttd 20:49:56 <Ammler> you have oil tanker from 1928 20:50:45 <edeca> Oh, sorry! 20:50:48 <edeca> I meant oil tankers for road 20:50:53 <edeca> I only have busses 20:51:06 <Ammler> :-) 20:51:18 <Ammler> just use one RV GRF 20:51:22 <edeca> OK. 20:51:34 <edeca> I thought I only had one, I'll see if I can remove others without ruining the game 20:51:53 <Ammler> if you like big RVs, take 4LV 20:52:10 <edeca> I have two tram sets, hrm 20:52:48 <edeca> What is 4LVs name in the list? 20:53:21 <Ammler> use GRFLIST and search for 4lv 20:53:29 <edeca> Ah, "long vehicles" :) 20:53:36 <Ammler> yep 20:54:23 <edeca> I wish the newgrfs could be split into road/train/industry/station etc 20:54:34 <Ammler> they are 20:54:39 <edeca> They are? 20:54:41 <Ammler> well, the pack is 20:54:44 <edeca> In the GUI I mean :) 20:56:07 <Ammler> the GUI isn't made for man GRFs 20:56:14 <Ammler> y 20:56:33 <edeca> That is true 20:56:38 <edeca> Hrm, I still only have busses :) 20:56:49 <Ammler> it comes from time, only about 5 NewGRFs worked in OTTD :-) 20:57:24 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r12582 /trunk/src/ (order_base.h order_cmd.cpp): -Codechange: move some (needlessly) static inlined functions from order_base.h to order_cmd.cpp. 20:57:27 <Ammler> well, at least you can manage GRFs over GUI 20:57:28 * Sacro just lost the game 20:57:37 <edeca> Yep :) 20:58:03 <edeca> I have ford model T available, heh 20:58:06 <edeca> But no oil tanker 20:58:16 <Ammler> maybe you need to REFIT 20:59:04 <edeca> Yep, I think I need to refit a model T 20:59:05 <edeca> THanks 21:00:01 * edeca has found it now 21:02:27 <edeca> It is worrying how raw products can run out though ;) 21:20:06 *** svippy [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: poof] 21:21:03 *** Chrill [~chrischri@c80-216-64-31.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 21:36:05 *** svip [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 21:38:02 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1DC96.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:45:17 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r12583 /trunk/src/ (oldloader.cpp order_base.h order_cmd.cpp): -Codechange: make AssignOrder a class function of order. 21:54:10 *** Chrill [~chrischri@c80-216-64-31.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [] 21:58:09 *** wortwalter2 [~wortwalte@p57A75014.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:59:09 *** wortwalter2 [~wortwalte@p57A75014.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 22:16:14 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host177-232-dynamic.30-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:27:27 *** Mirrakor [~linuser@p57B2D85B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:35:01 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:38:57 *** planetmaker [~chatzilla@Fce1b.f.ppp-pool.de] has quit [Quit: Good bye!] 22:41:58 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 22:43:39 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499F7B1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:53:35 *** Frostregen_ [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-161-015.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 22:59:19 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-177-114.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:59:45 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 23:27:05 *** Slowpoke [~Lobster@dslb-088-073-229-178.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 23:30:38 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-363c71d5.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:30:38 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:37:17 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r12584 /trunk/src/ (22 files in 4 dirs): -Codechange: do not access the order type directly. 23:46:14 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r12585 /trunk/src/ (economy.cpp vehicle.cpp): -Fix (r12584): assumption that assertions were enabled during compilation/testing was flawed. 23:48:47 *** Poopsmith [~Poopsmith@124-197-37-77.callplus.net.nz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:55:11 *** NukeBuster|laptop [~opera@212-182-153-94.ip.telfort.nl] has left #openttd []