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Log for #openttd on 1st July 2008:
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00:04:32  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: belugas * r13670 /trunk/src/toolbar_gui.cpp: -Codechange : Merge some very alike events handlers.
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00:53:03  <DJNekkid> may i ask a newgrf question? im trying to code a 4 sprite animation
00:53:17  <DJNekkid> all sprites have been defined from A0 00 to A3 00
00:53:50  <DJNekkid> what is from with this code? :)
00:53:57  <DJNekkid> 02 02 08 81 0A 00 0F 03
00:53:59  <DJNekkid>                                 A0 00 00 00
00:54:00  <DJNekkid>                                 A1 00 01 01
00:54:02  <DJNekkid>                                 A2 00 02 02
00:54:03  <DJNekkid>                                 A3 00 03 03
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01:07:06  <DJNekkid> well, appart from it should be 02 02 ....
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01:22:44  <DJNekkid> * not
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02:45:05  <penguinmessiah> ok?
02:45:11  <penguinmessiah> where do i take food from food proc
03:00:41  <Belugas> have you checked on the wiki, penguinmessiah?
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03:16:45  <penguinmessiah> i dont see it on there
03:16:47  <penguinmessiah> i checked!
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03:19:44  <Belugas> http://wiki.openttd.com/index.php/Cargo  there?
03:20:12  <Belugas> so, looking at this, i'd say... take food from food processor plants and send it to towns
03:20:23  <Belugas> but for that, towns need to accept food...
03:20:30  <Belugas> they do not automatically
03:20:39  <Belugas> they have to grow enough
03:25:07  <penguinmessiah> soo hwo does it get to town?
03:25:19  <penguinmessiah> trucks?
03:28:14  <ccfreak2k> Uh
03:28:18  <ccfreak2k> whatever can haul food.
03:28:23  <ccfreak2k> Isn't that obvious?
03:29:02  <penguinmessiah> i just got hte game lolz
03:29:52  <ccfreak2k> Then you REALLY should read the wiki.
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04:23:33  <ccfreak2k> Is make fails, are there any logs generated?
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06:19:06  <planetmaker> good morning #openttd
06:27:31  <ccfreak2k> Huh.
06:27:47  <ccfreak2k> I think the opengl blitter looks different from other blitters at 8x zoom...
06:28:16  <peter1138> entirely possible
06:28:25  <peter1138> does it do mipmapping yet?
06:28:31  <peter1138> if not then of course it does
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07:15:10  <dih> is 'muting' anything of interest?
07:15:21  <dih> actually - server and client side muting
07:15:32  <ccfreak2k> Do you find being able to "mute" a player in chat interesting?
07:15:43  <dih> so the admin can forbid the distribution of any single or combination of chat of client x
07:23:58  <dih> and any client can decide to mute any single or combination of chat from client x
07:24:28  <dih> i.e. 1 << DESTTYPE_BROADCAST | 1 << DESTTYPE_TEAM
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08:10:59  <ccfreak2k> TiberiusTeng, Helgrind may have been useful to you earlier
08:11:00  <ccfreak2k> .
08:12:30  <TiberiusTeng> ahh, OK, I'll check it
08:12:41  <ccfreak2k> Well, it's not useful anymore.
08:12:57  <ccfreak2k> It's designed to detect race conditions in multithreaded code.
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08:15:23  <ccfreak2k> Hey, did you look at my callgrind data?
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08:31:39  <Maedhros> morning
08:34:14  <dih> hey Maedhros
08:34:29  <TiberiusTeng> ccfreak2k, of course, I've digged into it with Kcachegrind :)
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08:35:50  <Forked> Long time no annoying you, greetings :)
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08:41:17  <ccfreak2k> Do you happen to have the exclusive time for 32bpp-optimized?
08:43:22  <ccfreak2k> Also, the opengl blitter::draw function is slightly faster than the 8bpp-optimized ::draw function.
08:43:28  <ccfreak2k> By about 3%.
08:46:31  <ccfreak2k> In all blitters tested except 32bpp-anim, ViewportDoDraw was the most time-consuming individual function.
08:47:35  <peter1138> well
08:47:44  <peter1138> the draw function is totally different
08:48:33  <TiberiusTeng> I found it's difficult to isolate hotspots in upper layers ...
08:49:16  <TiberiusTeng> once I thought it was sorting, but the profiling result doesn't support this
08:50:26  <TiberiusTeng> ViewportDoDraw seems heavy but the only loop in it looks innocent ...
08:51:13  <TiberiusTeng> anyway I think it's already 'enough' under current situation, what's important is debugging, commenting and cleaning it up ...
08:51:26  <ccfreak2k> http://ccfreak2k.loliserv.org/openttd-profiledata.tar.bz2
08:51:41  <TiberiusTeng> is this a newer pack of results ?
08:51:45  <ccfreak2k> Profiled with the newest revision, so it has the optimized 32bpp-whatever code.
08:52:17  <ccfreak2k> I didn't compile openttd with -g tho, so source view isn't available.
08:52:20  <TiberiusTeng> does it have big improvement ?
08:52:51  <ccfreak2k> Seems like it, looking at the numbers.
08:53:43  <ccfreak2k> Well, maybe not big, but it's an improvement.
08:54:05  <TiberiusTeng> indeed a big improvement ...
08:54:37  <TiberiusTeng> GetTileSlope is slow, that's amazing
08:55:30  <TiberiusTeng> and TrainController ... that'
08:55:39  <TiberiusTeng> that's not so amazing actually
08:58:32  <ccfreak2k> Also made pngs of the call graphs.
08:58:41  <ccfreak2k> http://ccfreak2k.loliserv.org/images/32bpp-anim.png
08:58:45  <ccfreak2k> http://ccfreak2k.loliserv.org/images/32bpp-optimized.png
08:58:47  <ccfreak2k> http://ccfreak2k.loliserv.org/images/8bpp-optimized.png
08:58:51  <ccfreak2k> http://ccfreak2k.loliserv.org/images/sdlgl.png
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09:05:40  <TiberiusTeng> they should all looks the same except numbers :P
09:05:43  <ccfreak2k> Eyeing the inclusive time is probably more useful when comparing the draw functions.
09:06:46  <ccfreak2k> memcpy() seems to take about 12% of Draw()s time in 8bpp-optimized.
09:08:25  <CrabMan> How do i use 23bbp?
09:08:33  <CrabMan> s/bbp/bpp
09:09:02  <CrabMan> i tried google/forums/etc
09:09:05  <TiberiusTeng> openttd.exe -b 32bpp-anim etc
09:09:14  <CrabMan> linux.
09:09:24  <ccfreak2k> openttd -b 32bpp-anim
09:09:33  <ccfreak2k> openttd --help lists the available blitters.
09:09:42  <CrabMan> ok, but go i need .grf's?
09:10:00  <TiberiusTeng> no, you don't 'need' additional GRFs
09:10:06  <CrabMan> Rly?
09:10:09  <CrabMan> Sweet
09:10:15  <TiberiusTeng> it'll just look 'exactly the same' :p
09:10:32  <CrabMan> oh
09:10:36  <Ammler> you need 32bpp replacment graphics :-)
09:10:37  <TiberiusTeng> well, not exactly the same, in areas like transparent buildings.
09:10:57  <CrabMan> Where is there the replacement grfs?
09:11:03  <CrabMan> dammit
09:11:20  <CrabMan> i suck at english, even thos its my native language
09:11:20  <ccfreak2k> Hiding.
09:12:38  <TiberiusTeng> check the wiki.
09:12:59  <ccfreak2k> TiberiusTeng, also, these new profiles use openttd which was also patched with YAPP.
09:15:18  <CrabMan> TiberiusTeng: i did, i couldnt find anything
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09:15:56  <TiberiusTeng> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/List_of_downloadable_32bpp_tars
09:17:05  <ccfreak2k> Anyway, I think these numbers confirm that the opengl blitter was a success.
09:17:22  <ccfreak2k> 32bpp support for 8bpp cost. :)
09:18:08  <TiberiusTeng> perhaps the next step would be zooming ... revive the double-size filter! :D
09:18:19  <TiberiusTeng> but not so easy actually, as I tried ...
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09:18:30  <ccfreak2k> Speaking of which, it looked like 8x zoom with opengl looked different from 32bpp.
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09:19:01  <TiberiusTeng> yes, since 8bpp do average those pixels when creating downsized sprites
09:19:19  <TiberiusTeng> but opengl only does nearest-neighborhood sampling
09:19:30  <ccfreak2k> "nearest-neighbor"
09:19:37  <TiberiusTeng> ahh :P
09:20:28  <TiberiusTeng> the texture stores color index, converted to RGB values with fragment program
09:20:42  <TiberiusTeng> but the conversion is done AFTER texture sampling ...
09:21:10  <TiberiusTeng> and we can't interpolate between color indices
09:21:45  <TiberiusTeng> I don't have any better ideas to handle this for now ...
09:22:31  <TiberiusTeng> perhaps drawing to a larger (original size) texture then downscale it with bilinear interpolation
09:23:19  <DJNekkid> hi all ... im trying to make an animated engine, but it looks like it only showes animation 1 and 3 or 2 and 4 or something
09:23:30  <ccfreak2k> Or use more atlases, at the cost of increased memory usage. :)
09:25:15  <TiberiusTeng> the current structure is not very friendly to this kind of implementation ...
09:25:27  <TiberiusTeng> would need too much texture context changes, which is SLOW.
09:25:39  <ccfreak2k> Which are slow.
09:26:26  <TiberiusTeng> GfxMainBlitter want Blitter::Draw() to draw downscaled versions directly
09:27:02  <TiberiusTeng> drawing to buffer -> change interpolation settings -> sample/draw it back ... hmm
09:29:49  <peter1138> TiberiusTeng: are you profiling an optimised build?
09:30:02  <peter1138> that can hide which functions are slow due to inlining
09:30:10  <TiberiusTeng> !!
09:30:15  <TiberiusTeng> good hint
09:30:19  <Rubidium> and have assertions been disabled?
09:30:30  <Rubidium> cause those can take quite a lot of time too
09:30:37  <peter1138> yeah
09:30:43  <peter1138> especially when not optimised :)
09:30:48  <Rubidium> especially on map accesses
09:30:55  <TiberiusTeng> so I should profile with unoptimized version, with assertions disabled ?
09:30:58  <peter1138> which is all the time
09:30:59  <peter1138> yeah
09:31:04  <peter1138> well
09:31:14  <peter1138> if you want to compare overall performance, use an optimised build
09:32:00  <peter1138> maybe disabling inline but leave other optimisations in place...
09:32:04  <peter1138> *inlining
09:32:25  <TiberiusTeng> hmm ... I see.
09:32:37  <ccfreak2k> I was just testing to make sure the opengl blitter was faster, and indeed it was.
09:33:06  <peter1138> it's doing less work ;)
09:34:01  <TiberiusTeng> but with more complex state management, texture conversion, things like that ...
09:35:04  <Rubidium> ccfreak2k: but does the opengl blitter have loads of asserts in hot paths?
09:35:35  <ccfreak2k> Hell if I know. It was faster on my box just by observation, and the numbers confirm it.
09:36:47  <TiberiusTeng> Rubidium, no, it dont.
09:37:03  <ccfreak2k> In Slackware, anyway. I think it was actually slower in win32.
09:37:14  <TiberiusTeng> and I think ccfreak2k is profiling them with optimized builds ...
09:37:31  <Rubidium> but that doesn't disable asserts
09:37:57  <ccfreak2k> I compiled with --with-sdl --with-sdlgl --build=i486-slackware-linux --host=i486-slackware-linux
09:38:03  <ccfreak2k> Everything else is default.
09:38:29  <Rubidium> so the asserts are enabled
09:38:55  <CrabMan> i486?
09:39:05  <ccfreak2k> I figured there was no point in using any other crazy options, since they didn't represent a realistic scenario on my computer.
09:39:13  <ccfreak2k> CrabMan, that's the default for Slackware.
09:39:17  <Rubidium> CrabMan: that's just the compiler
09:39:18  <CrabMan> ah
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09:42:18  <TiberiusTeng> but ... using only i486 instruction sets ? :P
09:44:52  <TiberiusTeng> just made me think of that "Gentoo is for Ricers" article
09:46:59  <TiberiusTeng> -march=nocona -mfpmath=sse -ffast-math -ffinite-math-only -funsafe-math-optimizations -O3 -pipe
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09:49:26  <ccfreak2k> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nocona
09:50:37  <TiberiusTeng> it means Pentium 4 Xeon/Core 2 Duo by Intel ...
09:51:49  <TiberiusTeng> (well I wonder why C2D shares 'nocona' arch optimization ... but once an Intel guru said in a mailing list that C2D should use nocona)
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09:59:32  * dih runs for his life
10:00:03  * Yorick runs after dih
10:00:46  <dih> Yorick: wisdom is chasing you...
10:00:50  <dih> ... yet you run faster!
10:00:57  * Yorick slows down
10:01:50  <Yorick> at least I got mingw+bottd working on vista :)
10:02:27  <dih> the fact that you use vista already shows you run _very_ fast!
10:02:42  * TiberiusTeng is try enabling 8xMSAA in code
10:02:54  <Yorick> wheh, it wasn't my choice to have vista on this laptop
10:04:19  <ccfreak2k> It WAS your choice about buying the laptop, however.
10:04:59  <Yorick> yeah
10:06:10  <Yorick> why does the notebookmouse that came with it require a flat surface
10:06:16  <Yorick> it's a NOTEBOOKMOUSE
10:07:09  <TiberiusTeng> uh which mouse ?
10:07:56  <Yorick> the acer ferrari mouse
10:08:36  <Yorick> works nicely with the inbuilt bluetooth, except for the fact that vista doesn't want to have bluetooth if it's not connected to a power supply
10:12:20  <KingJ> I (used to) have a Acer Ferrari laptop
10:12:34  * dih smirks at the "used to"
10:13:07  <KingJ> You expect me to work on 1GB RAM/1.6Ghz/x700 Graphics in 2008?
10:13:31  <Yorick> it's 2GB RAM
10:13:42  <ccfreak2k> No, Mister Bond.
10:13:44  <KingJ> Mine came with 512, upgraded to 1GB
10:13:46  <ccfreak2k> I expect you to die.
10:13:46  <dih> well - obviously it was not when he had his!
10:13:55  <KingJ> This was the Ferrari 4000
10:14:05  <Yorick> KingJ: this IS a Ferrari 5002
10:14:10  <dih> why on earth name a laptop ferrari
10:14:13  <KingJ> I've still got the mouse though
10:14:13  <dih> that is just wrong
10:14:19  <KingJ> branding = extra £££
10:14:32  <Yorick> but I don't care about that
10:14:41  <Yorick> they can sell it cheaper for that, apperently
10:14:48  <Yorick> and it has nice specs
10:14:49  <KingJ> They did to me :)
10:15:04  <Yorick> they sold this one for €1230
10:16:04  <dih> i never liked acer
10:17:03  <Yorick> vista: yes I want to enable speech recognition on a dutch language pack, I'll speak english to you, yes I know you can't understand dutch, ENABLE THAT ENGLISH SPEECH-TO-TEXT YOU **** VISTA
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10:17:14  <Yorick> :)
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10:19:11  <Yorick> at least the aero works nicely with video playback and such
10:21:05  <Yorick> hmm...I don't remember any virusses that display snowflakes on your screen
10:21:46  <CrabMan> Yorick: i suspect pebkec
10:21:54  <CrabMan> Yorick: i suspect pebkac*
10:22:33  <Yorick> I'm not on a chair
10:22:41  <CrabMan> dammit
10:22:56  <ccfreak2k> It's a layer 0 problem.
10:23:13  <Yorick> falling snowflakes on my screen?
10:24:09  <ccfreak2k> Yes.
10:25:03  <Yorick> woah, they can load 12 million inhabitants into one truck
10:25:35  <ccfreak2k> Depends on your definition of "inhabitants".
10:26:07  <Yorick> bees
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10:38:47  <CrabMan> BEEEEEESSSSSSS
10:39:09  <Yorick> no, BEEEEzzZzzZzzz
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10:44:52  <joachim> didn't there use to be speed record notices?
10:46:45  <peter1138> not as far as i know
10:48:06  <Yorick> don't think so
10:49:53  <Maedhros> that might be lomo
10:55:29  <joachim> hm, ok
10:55:36  <joachim> not even in tt/ttd?
10:56:58  <Yorick> nope
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11:09:44  <dih> he's doing it again
11:09:47  <dih> just without the _
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12:08:28  <dih> trallalla
12:08:44  <mucht_work> stop trallallaling
12:09:09  <dih> trallalla
12:09:31  <dih> tÌdeldÌ
12:13:26  <Yorick> dih: why so happy?
12:14:22  <dih> not anymore
12:15:08  <Yorick> why were you happy?
12:20:58  <dih> can you keep a seecret?
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12:21:36  <dih> TiberiusTeng_ is doing a Gekz___
12:22:27  <Gekz> :o
12:22:31  <Gekz> exaplin
12:22:33  <Gekz> explain even
12:22:57  <Gekz> my internet was playing up
12:22:58  <Gekz> >_>
12:25:00  <dih> you were just going some ugly number of _ yesterday :-P
12:30:02  <Gekz> lol
12:30:03  <Gekz> yes
12:30:06  <Gekz> internet said NO YOU
12:30:08  <Gekz> >_>
12:30:14  <TiberiusTeng_> ~_~
12:30:26  <TiberiusTeng_> seems I need to register another account for my computer at school :P
12:31:38  <dih> why is that?
12:31:44  <dih> just /msg nickserv regain
12:31:47  <dih> or use a bouncer
12:31:52  <dih> or irssi (via ssh?)
12:32:02  <TiberiusTeng_> hmm ...
12:33:29  <dih> znc is nice
12:35:18  <Gekz> I used to use znc
12:35:25  <Gekz> then my shell provider randomly ran of
12:35:27  <Gekz> off*
12:35:35  <Gekz>  a month, was heaps cheap
12:35:55  <dih> i colocate my servers
12:36:01  <dih> and just run it off of one of them
12:36:20  <dih> and oftc bumped my ip to allow more connections
12:36:29  <Gekz> leet
12:36:34  <Gekz> I wish i could be as leet as you
12:36:39  <Gekz> maybe you'll help me to be leet?
12:37:02  <dih> yeah - start off with shutting up
12:37:14  <Gekz> and then?
12:37:21  <dih> you just failed! aint gonna help you
12:37:27  <Gekz> and then?
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12:38:33  <Yorick> he did it again
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12:39:31  <Gekz> the internet hates at me
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12:39:32  <Yorick> just use /ns regain
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12:39:49  <Gekz> erm, it was a random reconnect
12:39:52  <Gekz> I had nothing to do with it
12:39:56  <Yorick> why?
12:40:11  <Gekz> why what
12:40:19  <Yorick> why disconnect?
12:40:43  <Gekz> the internet is dodgy
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13:49:57  <Sacro> dih: oi, I'm enjoying that post
13:52:13  <dih> which one exactly :-P
13:53:57  <dih> Sacro: we need an idiot highscore
13:54:05  <Sacro> oh...
13:54:08  <Sacro> the tunnels thread
13:54:11  <dih> yes
13:54:16  <dih> i did pick up on that
13:54:47  <dih> i pitty Draakon's mother
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13:56:51  <Sacro> ooh
13:57:06  <Sacro> maquinista actaully edited his post to point out that basetunnels cannot be used with OTTD
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13:58:21  <dih> Sacro: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=703531#p703531
13:58:24  <dih> read from there on
14:03:34  <dih> "This isn't a game (not even a RPG)" <-- lol
14:04:04  <Gekz> an RPG*
14:05:17  <dih> well - that being the minor thing to laugh at, yes
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14:19:51  <dih> quote by Draakon: "an American citizen(UK, Canada and Australia included)"
14:19:52  <dih> LOL
14:20:10  <dih> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=698804#p698804
14:22:08  <penguinmessiah> soo
14:22:18  <penguinmessiah> where do i install the planeset?
14:22:45  <Touqen> in your grf directory
14:22:56  <Touqen> where is $installdir/data
14:23:52  <penguinmessiah> thankyou and soirry for stupid question :3
14:24:23  <dih> :-P
14:24:38  <dih> the word missiah seems out of place :-D
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15:10:06  <fjb> Hello
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15:40:02  <dih> these Draakon posts are making me laugh
15:41:01  <hylje> laff
15:41:29  <fjb> Don't feed the trolls...
15:41:31  <Yorick> what did he say today?
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15:45:44  <dih> Yorick: he's just being himself :-D
15:45:51  <Yorick> in what way?
15:46:00  <Yorick> he seems to have multiple selfs sometimes
15:46:03  <Yorick> :-P
15:46:21  <dih> any of them are simply idiotic
15:46:59  <Yorick> link?
15:47:28  <dih> tt-forums.net
15:47:30  <dih> search
15:47:37  <Yorick> search :O
15:48:52  <Yorick> oh, the enhanced tunnels topic
15:49:01  <hylje> enchanted tunnels
15:49:29  <Yorick> enhanced*
15:49:37  <Yorick> damn spellcheckers*
15:51:03  <dih> just 'tunnel'
15:51:04  <dih> yeah
15:51:07  <dih> it's great :-P
15:51:12  <dih> he is soooo stupid
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15:59:04  <Yorick> dih seems to like stupid people
15:59:31  <dih> no
15:59:40  <dih> i am merely humord by those stupid posts
16:00:40  <Yorick> basically the same
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16:02:02  <dih> nope
16:02:11  <dih> looks like you are making silly remarks also now
16:02:12  <dih> :-P
16:02:45  <Yorick> vista makes people silly
16:03:11  <Yorick> ...how nice, they want me to backup the pc
16:03:19  <Yorick> estimated image size: 18 GB
16:04:00  <Ammler> and to they ask for a floppy disk?
16:04:06  <Ammler> do
16:04:40  <Yorick> no, they want a second HD
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16:10:05  <Yorick> "this is only a grf file containing a tunnel"
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16:17:08  <joachim> kind of hypocritical of people to deny changes in their work for ttdpatch/openttd though, when all their work do is change other people's work (ttd)..
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16:19:25  <MorgyN> Hopefully a quick question, does anyone have a link to a 16 or more player patch? I've tried searching the forums and google in general with no luck
16:19:47  <Yexo> try the wwotttgd wiki page
16:20:07  <Yexo> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/World_Wide_OpenTTD_Game_Day/2
16:20:18  <Yexo> http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/images/4/4b/R13040_clientnum.diff <- that seems to be the diff they use
16:20:41  <Yexo> you can only have more clients with that patch though, not more companies
16:20:53  <MorgyN> aha, sorry. yes I should have been clearer.
16:21:01  <MorgyN> I was after a 16 or more company patch
16:21:12  <Yexo> I do not know of any recent 16 company patch
16:21:57  <MorgyN> Dang, I'm guessing its not trivial as it would allready be implemented
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16:23:17  <glx> there's one on bugs.openttd.org IIRC, but it's a very old one
16:23:37  <Yexo> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/53
16:24:11  <MorgyN> ahh thats quite a big diff too
16:25:29  <glx> it's not a simple task to allow more companies
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16:30:47  <MorgyN> looking through the comments on the bug, was this not brought into trunk due to a plan for an alternate method, or was there another reason. I'm wondering if its worth porting the code to the current trunk
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17:24:12  <Wolf01> hello
17:25:11  <ln> hello, telecomitalia
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17:33:19  <Wolf01> any new?
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17:49:36  <fjb> No, we all are old.
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18:22:04  <planetmaker> hello
18:22:43  <planetmaker> MorgyN>	[18:30:47]  (...) I'm wondering if its worth porting the code to the current trunk <-- depends upon how urgent it is for you :)
18:28:44  <MorgyN> vaguely I know its on the todo list for the future of the project but obviously theres no timescales on it =)
18:33:19  <planetmaker> hehe :)
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18:56:53  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: frosch * r13671 /trunk/src/tgp.cpp: -Cleanup: Zeros for sell.
18:58:41  <MorgyN> does CIA-4 list commits?
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19:00:23  <Yexo> yes, as long as it's around
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19:13:10  <Belugas_Gone> otherwise, go to #openttd.notice, it's even better, you even have the bugs!
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19:14:12  <Belugas_Gone> [11:56] <Yorick> dih seems to like stupid people  <-- not hard to find!  they are EVERYWHERE!!!!
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19:14:29  <Yorick> even here
19:14:49  * Belugas_Gone knows a few in here indeed...
19:15:22  <peter1138> i see 98
19:15:44  * peter1138 does not think Belugas_Gone is stupid :)
19:16:09  * Belugas_Gone does not think that peter1138 is among those either :D
19:16:57  <fjb> At least we don't have idiots in here.
19:17:12  <peter1138> indeed
19:17:20  <peter1138> good ol' topic
19:17:23  <Rubidium> really?
19:17:25  <peter1138> hmm
19:17:40  <peter1138> yeah the topic says so see
19:17:41  <Rubidium> 99 - peter1138 - Belugas_Gone is less than 98
19:17:44  <Belugas_Gone> idiots in here?  they must be on my /ignore  list
19:18:41  <fjb> Rubidium: I don't think that people who are not able to count are idiots.
19:19:50  <Rubidium> but not being able to count sounds stupid to me ;)
19:19:58  <peter1138> 99 - Belugas_Gone is 98, however
19:20:24  <Rubidium> but if Belugas_Gone isn't stupid, then his statement about peter1138 shouldn't be stupid either
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19:20:53  <peter1138> Belugas_Gone is not stupid, merely wrong :)
19:21:10  <peter1138> also he's gone
19:22:46  <Rubidium> that happens when he has a state forced free day ;)
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19:28:13  <Belugas_Gone> yeah... and a woman watching my every move...
19:28:27  <Belugas_Gone> "yes, dear, i'm coming"
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20:25:37  <TiberiusTeng> hmm ... fullscreen MSAA didn't improve graph quality :X
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20:46:25  <Eddi|zuHause2> "TB" is a dangerous nick to use
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20:56:09  <fjb> Don't add a "C".
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21:04:39  <Digitalfox> What does TBC mean? honest question here...
21:05:50  <Eddi|zuHause2> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuberkulose
21:06:29  <Digitalfox> oh..
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21:37:22  <peter1138> To Be Continued
21:37:59  <Wolf01> yes... night :P
21:38:07  <Wolf01> (really)
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21:39:55  <ccfreak2k> Hmm.
21:40:07  <ccfreak2k> sdlgl_v.cpp failes to compile in VisualStudio 8.
21:45:01  <ben_goodger> is there the slightest possibility that this is the fault of anything but visual studio?
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21:45:54  <ccfreak2k> Hard to tell.
21:46:06  <ccfreak2k> "'SDL_GL_SwapBuffers' : is not a member of 'SDLProcs'
21:47:29  <glx> hehe
21:47:55  <glx> sdl is disabled in VS
21:48:10  <glx> but it seems you enabled it
21:48:11  <ccfreak2k> I added WITH_SDL to the preprocessor.
21:48:30  <glx> you need to add the function in sdl.h
21:49:49  <ccfreak2k> Yeah, apparently it's not including SDL's SDL..
21:49:50  <glx> and in sdl.cpp too
21:49:51  <ccfreak2k> SDL.g.
21:49:56  <ccfreak2k> SDL.h
21:50:12  <glx> win32 uses sdl.dll
21:50:27  <glx> it's all dynamic
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22:07:04  <ccfreak2k> It also helped to include SDL.lib in the project. :/
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22:08:55  <glx> not needed
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22:09:26  <ccfreak2k> It eliminated a linker error.
22:10:31  <glx> you used SDL_CALL ?
22:10:50  <ccfreak2k> void (SDLCALL *SDL_GL_SwapBuffers) (void);
22:12:08  <glx> I mean SDL_CALL SDL_GL_SwapBuffers() in the code
22:12:21  <glx> like all other SDL functions
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22:15:05  <ccfreak2k> Yep.
22:16:18  <glx> give me the diff (I'll try with mingw)
22:16:38  <ccfreak2k> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=38151&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&sid=84430fe59ae65d890d71223be687a155&start=0
22:16:43  <ccfreak2k> Should build with mingw. :)
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22:24:45  <ccfreak2k> Hmm.
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22:45:41  <joachim> is there any interest in maintaining a common "testing"-branch with most available patches?
22:47:52  <Sacro> See: MiniIN
22:48:03  <joachim> yes, that was one of them
22:48:07  <Yexo> joachim: and who will maintain such a branch?
22:48:30  <Yexo> see the patchpacks all around the forums, they die within a few months usually
22:48:34  <glx> Sacro: miniin was not a testing branch
22:48:43  <Sacro>  yes it wass
22:48:43  <Ammler> joachim: tt-forums :-)
22:48:52  <glx> Sacro: it never was
22:49:03  <joachim> like I said, if there is interest to maintain one commen testing/unstable-branch, we could combine resources
22:49:06  <glx> it was just a patchpack
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22:49:33  <Yexo> joachim: see the community patchpack, that died after version 1
22:49:38  <Sacro> glx: it had a testing branch on svn too
22:49:42  <Yexo> or even after the test version, I don't remember
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22:51:06  <joachim> ok - i haven't followed the community for some years, but it seems like a lot of branches are born and quickly dies
22:51:25  <Yexo> yes, because maintaining a patchpack is a lot of work
22:51:47  <joachim> as they all share a common interest of joining new/testing patches a common project could work better
22:52:11  <Yexo> and how would such a common project work?
22:52:17  <Yexo> who will be responsible?
22:52:30  <Yexo> if two patches collide, which of the two will go in?
22:52:32  <joachim> how does any open project work?
22:52:44  <joachim> how does wikipedia work?
22:53:23  <Yexo> well, OpenTTD works because there is a group of developers who make sure the code remains readable and they enfore a coding standard
22:53:24  <joachim> but ok, there's obviously no interest... :)
22:53:35  <Ammler> wouldn't call it "die"
22:53:45  <Yexo> there is interest, there are just many questions that need to be answered before it'll work
22:54:03  <Ammler> you just call it the patchpack branch an from time to time someoen "updates" it
22:54:16  <Ammler> the name changes but it is still the same idea behind.
22:54:32  <Ammler> so patchpack is alive...
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22:54:51  <joachim> i keep my local version, and it seems many people do the same as there are branches published from time to time
22:55:15  <Yexo>  there is one major problem wiht that: as soon as you publish multiple versions, people want savegame compatibility
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22:56:10  <joachim> between versions or branches?
22:56:23  <Yexo> what is the difference?
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22:56:50  <Yexo> (as in, define branch)
22:57:05  <Ammler> there are still people playing MiniIN because of that :-P
22:57:54  <joachim> they shouldn't expect it between branches (more new code), also... finish your game.. keeping savegame compatibility within a branch though, should be expected
22:59:13  <Yexo> joachim: so your interpretatino of a 'branch' is a patchpack, where you can have different versions (bugfixes). As soon as new patches are added or patches removed, it'll be a new branch. Is that what you mean?
23:00:24  <joachim> yeah, i'm sorry. if openttd decides to not include patches i guess i mean a fork
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23:03:06  <Ammler> as long as the fork is based on openttd :-)
23:03:11  <Yexo> joachim: any idea how much work it is to keep that up to date with 10 or more patches?
23:04:03  <glx> ccfreak2k: mingw fails to compile too, so it's not an MSVC problem ;)
23:04:20  <joachim> Yexo: yes, and that's why effort is better spent combined than releasing tens or hundreds of individual patchpacks
23:04:31  <ccfreak2k> glx, that's a bug then (although, win32 users have the win32gl driver...).
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23:04:53  <glx> no the code is incomplete
23:05:05  <joachim> is code ever complete? :)
23:05:48  <ccfreak2k> Mine compiles, but, not suprisingly, it crashes at SDL_CALL SDL_GL_SwapBuffers();
23:06:02  <Yexo> joachim: go read http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=36547
23:07:19  <joachim> thanks, I will :)
23:07:44  <glx> hmm failed to link
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23:08:41  <glx> because config.lib is wrong
23:08:49  <glx> ,...# HACK: Please fix me. D:
23:08:59  <ccfreak2k> Hey, that's my code!
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23:09:37  <glx> -lGL doesn't work for mingw
23:10:20  <ccfreak2k> Noted.
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23:13:01  <glx> http://glx.dnsalias.net:8080/openttd/config.lib.diff <-- this should be better
23:13:10  * glx retries to compile
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23:16:02  <joachim> openstreetmap has a lot of fixmes
23:16:03  <glx> ccfreak2k: you forgot SDL_CALL for SDL_GL_SetAttribute
23:16:20  <joachim> everyone should do their best to fix them :)
23:16:34  <ccfreak2k> joachim, so does Wine. :|
23:17:09  <ccfreak2k> glx, heh, whoever wrote the original diff that Tiberius has did that, so...monkey see, monkey do.
23:17:15  <ccfreak2k> Or maybe it's garbage in, garbage out. :)
23:17:21  <joachim> are you running openttd through wine?
23:19:23  <glx> compiled and linked
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23:21:30  <glx> works
23:22:02  <ccfreak2k> And you made sure to use -v sdlgl -b opengl right? :)
23:22:06  <glx> yes
23:22:20  <glx> dbg: [sdlgl] Initialize opengl
23:22:21  <glx> dbg: [sdlgl] Set newscreen
23:22:21  <glx> dbg: [sdlgl] Check newscreen
23:22:21  <glx> dbg: [sdlgl] PostDriverInit()
23:22:21  <glx> dbg: [GL]                       Texture units: 4
23:22:22  <glx> dbg: [GL]                  Texture size limit: 4096
23:22:22  <glx> dbg: [GL]     Non power-of-two sized textures: supported
23:22:24  <glx> dbg: [GL]                   palette animation: enabled
23:22:24  <glx> dbg: [sdlgl] Set first screen size
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23:22:26  <glx> ...
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23:25:38  <ccfreak2k> Heh doesn't work for me.
23:25:38  <ccfreak2k> Debugging is fun.
23:25:39  <joachim> do you need to use wine for the new gl blitter?
23:26:11  <joachim> or is there another reason that makes less sense? :)
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23:26:24  <glx> http://glx.dnsalias.net:8080/openttd/opengl_r13671_mingw.diff
23:26:52  <glx> anyway it seems this patch contains a lot of unrelated changes
23:28:20  <glx> ccfreak2k: the important part in sdl.(h|cpp)
23:28:21  <ccfreak2k> joachim, no.
23:28:32  <ccfreak2k> I just wanted to see if I could make the sdlgl driver work in win32.
23:28:47  <glx> and sdlgl_v.cpp too
23:28:49  <ccfreak2k> glx, what patch and what changes?
23:28:58  <joachim> in a wine-win32 environment?
23:29:20  <ccfreak2k> joachim, no. Just regular win32.
23:29:28  <ccfreak2k> sdlgl works perfectly well in Slackware.
23:29:35  <glx> ccfreak2k: I applied the diff, fixed stuff to compile and rediff
23:29:55  <joachim> oh - who mentioned wine? :)
23:30:17  <ccfreak2k> Oh ok, so this diff includes Tiberius?
23:30:24  <glx> yes
23:30:36  <ccfreak2k> joachim, it was me because it's another example of a project with lots of FIXME and stubs. :)
23:30:42  <joachim> ah :)
23:30:47  <glx> but the required changes are in src\sdl.*
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23:30:59  <glx> and src\video\sdlgl_v.cpp
23:31:25  <joachim> ccfreak2k: as you see, wine will be stuck to you in my memory until i find something else to remember...
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23:32:22  <joachim> is orudge or other forum admins (if there are any) ever online on irc?
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23:32:52  <joachim> (i'd like my original username back)
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23:35:41  <ccfreak2k> Uhh.
23:36:02  <ccfreak2k> I don't see sdlgl_v.cpp anywhere.
23:36:14  <Yexo> joachim: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=38208
23:36:22  <glx> I forgot to svn add some files
23:37:48  <glx> refreshed
23:38:36  <ccfreak2k> Blah.
23:38:47  <ccfreak2k> It makes sdlgl_v.cpp from a null file so I can't see what's changed. D:
23:39:00  <joachim> Yexo: sorry for being unspecific, my old account, not username... have been inactive for years
23:39:13  <ccfreak2k> Was it just adding SDL_CALL where appropriate?
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23:39:45  <Yexo> ah, ok. In that case, Orudge is here regurarly
23:39:48  <Yexo> @seen Orudge
23:39:48  <DorpsGek> Yexo: Orudge was last seen in #openttd 2 weeks, 2 days, 8 hours, 6 minutes, and 22 seconds ago: <orudge> let's see if those bots are gone now
23:39:52  <glx> ccfreak2k: yes
23:40:00  <Yexo> hmm, not so regurarly it seems :p
23:40:03  <glx> in VideoDriver_SDLGL::Start for SDL_GL_SetAttribute
23:40:17  <ccfreak2k> Ok, already did that then.
23:41:00  <glx> should compile with just WITH_SDL and sdl includes
23:41:02  <Yexo> well, he was here a few hours ago, just didn't say a thing
23:42:00  <ccfreak2k> Hmm.
23:42:04  <ccfreak2k> Doesn't resize correctly.
23:42:06  <ccfreak2k> :/
23:43:11  <ccfreak2k> Heh, looks like sdlgl is sort of useless in win32. Now I know. :)
23:44:55  <glx> btw configure source.list is 'incorrect', it shouldn't compile GLee when opengl is disabled
23:45:10  <glx> same for blitters/opengl
23:45:23  <glx> or video/*gl
23:45:32  <ccfreak2k> Ok.
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23:48:20  <glx> but that implies to modify configure, and projects\generate*
23:53:02  <ccfreak2k> Well, at least sdlgl is an improvement in Linux.

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