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00:04:32 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: belugas * r13670 /trunk/src/toolbar_gui.cpp: -Codechange : Merge some very alike events handlers. 00:07:50 *** curson [~curzon@79-68-26-161.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Quit: If everything seems to be going well, you have obviously overlooked something.] 00:11:25 *** Scaevolus [~none@c-67-176-42-43.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:16:27 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@user-54418bdb.lns1-c7.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:20:13 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl5402B32D.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:26:37 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a41648.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:34:24 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B75CA9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:36:48 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-154-95.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:40:55 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76825.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:51:31 *** DJNekkid [~chatzilla@static128-249.adsl.no] has joined #openttd 00:52:57 *** grumbel [~grumbel@i577B96E9.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 00:53:03 <DJNekkid> may i ask a newgrf question? im trying to code a 4 sprite animation 00:53:17 <DJNekkid> all sprites have been defined from A0 00 to A3 00 00:53:50 <DJNekkid> what is from with this code? :) 00:53:57 <DJNekkid> 02 02 08 81 0A 00 0F 03 00:53:59 <DJNekkid> A0 00 00 00 00:54:00 <DJNekkid> A1 00 01 01 00:54:02 <DJNekkid> A2 00 02 02 00:54:03 <DJNekkid> A3 00 03 03 00:54:27 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Night All.] 00:57:38 *** dlunch [~dlunch@61.108.29.49] has joined #openttd 01:07:06 <DJNekkid> well, appart from it should be 02 02 .... 01:17:17 *** HaloMaster is now known as CrabMan 01:22:44 <DJNekkid> * not 01:55:19 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 02:07:37 *** dlunch [~dlunch@61.108.29.49] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:44:00 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:45:05 <penguinmessiah> ok? 02:45:11 <penguinmessiah> where do i take food from food proc 03:00:41 <Belugas> have you checked on the wiki, penguinmessiah? 03:12:24 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4d0cfc07.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 03:16:45 <penguinmessiah> i dont see it on there 03:16:47 <penguinmessiah> i checked! 03:19:02 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4d0cf262.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:19:44 <Belugas> http://wiki.openttd.com/index.php/Cargo there? 03:20:12 <Belugas> so, looking at this, i'd say... take food from food processor plants and send it to towns 03:20:23 <Belugas> but for that, towns need to accept food... 03:20:30 <Belugas> they do not automatically 03:20:39 <Belugas> they have to grow enough 03:25:07 <penguinmessiah> soo hwo does it get to town? 03:25:19 <penguinmessiah> trucks? 03:28:14 <ccfreak2k> Uh 03:28:18 <ccfreak2k> whatever can haul food. 03:28:23 <ccfreak2k> Isn't that obvious? 03:29:02 <penguinmessiah> i just got hte game lolz 03:29:52 <ccfreak2k> Then you REALLY should read the wiki. 03:58:03 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:06:16 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 04:23:33 <ccfreak2k> Is make fails, are there any logs generated? 04:30:06 *** grumbel [~grumbel@i577B96E9.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 04:46:23 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 04:49:10 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:00:36 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499CD5C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:01:05 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499CD5C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 06:04:07 *** einKarl [~einKarl@91-65-234-54-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 06:19:06 <planetmaker> good morning #openttd 06:27:31 <ccfreak2k> Huh. 06:27:47 <ccfreak2k> I think the opengl blitter looks different from other blitters at 8x zoom... 06:28:16 <peter1138> entirely possible 06:28:25 <peter1138> does it do mipmapping yet? 06:28:31 <peter1138> if not then of course it does 06:30:34 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 06:32:20 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:36:40 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:36:53 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 06:59:08 *** elmex [~elmex@e180068031.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 07:04:19 *** mikl [~mikl@x1-6-00-14-bf-cc-78-b6.k706.webspeed.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 07:15:10 <dih> is 'muting' anything of interest? 07:15:21 <dih> actually - server and client side muting 07:15:32 <ccfreak2k> Do you find being able to "mute" a player in chat interesting? 07:15:43 <dih> so the admin can forbid the distribution of any single or combination of chat of client x 07:23:58 <dih> and any client can decide to mute any single or combination of chat from client x 07:24:28 <dih> i.e. 1 << DESTTYPE_BROADCAST | 1 << DESTTYPE_TEAM 07:30:08 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-36.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 07:38:53 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F561D4.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 07:49:56 *** mikl [~mikl@cpe.ge-0-2-0-812.0x50c774be.boanqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 07:51:01 *** Zealotus [~Ping@217-211-211-179-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 07:52:45 *** [Nemesis] [~Ping@217-211-211-179-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:58:42 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@adsl-58.35.Static.ssp.fi] has joined #openttd 07:59:29 *** TiberiusTeng [~Tiberius@sbt.idv.tw] has joined #openttd 08:10:59 <ccfreak2k> TiberiusTeng, Helgrind may have been useful to you earlier 08:11:00 <ccfreak2k> . 08:12:30 <TiberiusTeng> ahh, OK, I'll check it 08:12:41 <ccfreak2k> Well, it's not useful anymore. 08:12:57 <ccfreak2k> It's designed to detect race conditions in multithreaded code. 08:14:11 *** orudge [~orudge@owenrudge.net] has quit [Server closed connection] 08:14:14 *** orudge [~orudge@owenrudge.net] has joined #openttd 08:15:23 <ccfreak2k> Hey, did you look at my callgrind data? 08:17:45 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl5402B32D.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 08:31:03 *** Maedhros [~jc@i-195-137-43-74.freedom2surf.net] has joined #openttd 08:31:39 <Maedhros> morning 08:34:14 <dih> hey Maedhros 08:34:29 <TiberiusTeng> ccfreak2k, of course, I've digged into it with Kcachegrind :) 08:35:23 *** Forked [~kjetil@savner.vdsl2.no] has joined #openttd 08:35:50 <Forked> Long time no annoying you, greetings :) 08:36:03 *** mikl [~mikl@cpe.ge-0-2-0-812.0x50c774be.boanqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: mikl] 08:37:18 *** Volley [~worf@84.119.42.30] has joined #openttd 08:39:43 *** mikl [~mikl@cpe.ge-0-2-0-812.0x50c774be.boanqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 08:41:17 <ccfreak2k> Do you happen to have the exclusive time for 32bpp-optimized? 08:43:22 <ccfreak2k> Also, the opengl blitter::draw function is slightly faster than the 8bpp-optimized ::draw function. 08:43:28 <ccfreak2k> By about 3%. 08:46:31 <ccfreak2k> In all blitters tested except 32bpp-anim, ViewportDoDraw was the most time-consuming individual function. 08:47:35 <peter1138> well 08:47:44 <peter1138> the draw function is totally different 08:48:33 <TiberiusTeng> I found it's difficult to isolate hotspots in upper layers ... 08:49:16 <TiberiusTeng> once I thought it was sorting, but the profiling result doesn't support this 08:50:26 <TiberiusTeng> ViewportDoDraw seems heavy but the only loop in it looks innocent ... 08:51:13 <TiberiusTeng> anyway I think it's already 'enough' under current situation, what's important is debugging, commenting and cleaning it up ... 08:51:26 <ccfreak2k> http://ccfreak2k.loliserv.org/openttd-profiledata.tar.bz2 08:51:41 <TiberiusTeng> is this a newer pack of results ? 08:51:45 <ccfreak2k> Profiled with the newest revision, so it has the optimized 32bpp-whatever code. 08:52:17 <ccfreak2k> I didn't compile openttd with -g tho, so source view isn't available. 08:52:20 <TiberiusTeng> does it have big improvement ? 08:52:51 <ccfreak2k> Seems like it, looking at the numbers. 08:53:43 <ccfreak2k> Well, maybe not big, but it's an improvement. 08:54:05 <TiberiusTeng> indeed a big improvement ... 08:54:37 <TiberiusTeng> GetTileSlope is slow, that's amazing 08:55:30 <TiberiusTeng> and TrainController ... that' 08:55:39 <TiberiusTeng> that's not so amazing actually 08:58:32 <ccfreak2k> Also made pngs of the call graphs. 08:58:41 <ccfreak2k> http://ccfreak2k.loliserv.org/images/32bpp-anim.png 08:58:45 <ccfreak2k> http://ccfreak2k.loliserv.org/images/32bpp-optimized.png 08:58:47 <ccfreak2k> http://ccfreak2k.loliserv.org/images/8bpp-optimized.png 08:58:51 <ccfreak2k> http://ccfreak2k.loliserv.org/images/sdlgl.png 09:02:45 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@user-54418bdb.lns1-c7.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:05:40 <TiberiusTeng> they should all looks the same except numbers :P 09:05:43 <ccfreak2k> Eyeing the inclusive time is probably more useful when comparing the draw functions. 09:06:46 <ccfreak2k> memcpy() seems to take about 12% of Draw()s time in 8bpp-optimized. 09:08:25 <CrabMan> How do i use 23bbp? 09:08:33 <CrabMan> s/bbp/bpp 09:09:02 <CrabMan> i tried google/forums/etc 09:09:05 <TiberiusTeng> openttd.exe -b 32bpp-anim etc 09:09:14 <CrabMan> linux. 09:09:24 <ccfreak2k> openttd -b 32bpp-anim 09:09:33 <ccfreak2k> openttd --help lists the available blitters. 09:09:42 <CrabMan> ok, but go i need .grf's? 09:10:00 <TiberiusTeng> no, you don't 'need' additional GRFs 09:10:06 <CrabMan> Rly? 09:10:09 <CrabMan> Sweet 09:10:15 <TiberiusTeng> it'll just look 'exactly the same' :p 09:10:32 <CrabMan> oh 09:10:36 <Ammler> you need 32bpp replacment graphics :-) 09:10:37 <TiberiusTeng> well, not exactly the same, in areas like transparent buildings. 09:10:57 <CrabMan> Where is there the replacement grfs? 09:11:03 <CrabMan> dammit 09:11:20 <CrabMan> i suck at english, even thos its my native language 09:11:20 <ccfreak2k> Hiding. 09:12:38 <TiberiusTeng> check the wiki. 09:12:59 <ccfreak2k> TiberiusTeng, also, these new profiles use openttd which was also patched with YAPP. 09:15:18 <CrabMan> TiberiusTeng: i did, i couldnt find anything 09:15:47 *** dlunch [~dlunch@61.108.29.49] has joined #openttd 09:15:56 <TiberiusTeng> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/List_of_downloadable_32bpp_tars 09:17:05 <ccfreak2k> Anyway, I think these numbers confirm that the opengl blitter was a success. 09:17:22 <ccfreak2k> 32bpp support for 8bpp cost. :) 09:18:08 <TiberiusTeng> perhaps the next step would be zooming ... revive the double-size filter! :D 09:18:19 <TiberiusTeng> but not so easy actually, as I tried ... 09:18:24 *** dlunch [~dlunch@61.108.29.49] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:18:30 <ccfreak2k> Speaking of which, it looked like 8x zoom with opengl looked different from 32bpp. 09:18:40 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 09:19:01 <TiberiusTeng> yes, since 8bpp do average those pixels when creating downsized sprites 09:19:19 <TiberiusTeng> but opengl only does nearest-neighborhood sampling 09:19:30 <ccfreak2k> "nearest-neighbor" 09:19:37 <TiberiusTeng> ahh :P 09:20:28 <TiberiusTeng> the texture stores color index, converted to RGB values with fragment program 09:20:42 <TiberiusTeng> but the conversion is done AFTER texture sampling ... 09:21:10 <TiberiusTeng> and we can't interpolate between color indices 09:21:45 <TiberiusTeng> I don't have any better ideas to handle this for now ... 09:22:31 <TiberiusTeng> perhaps drawing to a larger (original size) texture then downscale it with bilinear interpolation 09:23:19 <DJNekkid> hi all ... im trying to make an animated engine, but it looks like it only showes animation 1 and 3 or 2 and 4 or something 09:23:30 <ccfreak2k> Or use more atlases, at the cost of increased memory usage. :) 09:25:15 <TiberiusTeng> the current structure is not very friendly to this kind of implementation ... 09:25:27 <TiberiusTeng> would need too much texture context changes, which is SLOW. 09:25:39 <ccfreak2k> Which are slow. 09:26:26 <TiberiusTeng> GfxMainBlitter want Blitter::Draw() to draw downscaled versions directly 09:27:02 <TiberiusTeng> drawing to buffer -> change interpolation settings -> sample/draw it back ... hmm 09:29:49 <peter1138> TiberiusTeng: are you profiling an optimised build? 09:30:02 <peter1138> that can hide which functions are slow due to inlining 09:30:10 <TiberiusTeng> !! 09:30:15 <TiberiusTeng> good hint 09:30:19 <Rubidium> and have assertions been disabled? 09:30:30 <Rubidium> cause those can take quite a lot of time too 09:30:37 <peter1138> yeah 09:30:43 <peter1138> especially when not optimised :) 09:30:48 <Rubidium> especially on map accesses 09:30:55 <TiberiusTeng> so I should profile with unoptimized version, with assertions disabled ? 09:30:58 <peter1138> which is all the time 09:30:59 <peter1138> yeah 09:31:04 <peter1138> well 09:31:14 <peter1138> if you want to compare overall performance, use an optimised build 09:32:00 <peter1138> maybe disabling inline but leave other optimisations in place... 09:32:04 <peter1138> *inlining 09:32:25 <TiberiusTeng> hmm ... I see. 09:32:37 <ccfreak2k> I was just testing to make sure the opengl blitter was faster, and indeed it was. 09:33:06 <peter1138> it's doing less work ;) 09:34:01 <TiberiusTeng> but with more complex state management, texture conversion, things like that ... 09:35:04 <Rubidium> ccfreak2k: but does the opengl blitter have loads of asserts in hot paths? 09:35:35 <ccfreak2k> Hell if I know. It was faster on my box just by observation, and the numbers confirm it. 09:36:47 <TiberiusTeng> Rubidium, no, it dont. 09:37:03 <ccfreak2k> In Slackware, anyway. I think it was actually slower in win32. 09:37:14 <TiberiusTeng> and I think ccfreak2k is profiling them with optimized builds ... 09:37:31 <Rubidium> but that doesn't disable asserts 09:37:57 <ccfreak2k> I compiled with --with-sdl --with-sdlgl --build=i486-slackware-linux --host=i486-slackware-linux 09:38:03 <ccfreak2k> Everything else is default. 09:38:29 <Rubidium> so the asserts are enabled 09:38:55 <CrabMan> i486? 09:39:05 <ccfreak2k> I figured there was no point in using any other crazy options, since they didn't represent a realistic scenario on my computer. 09:39:13 <ccfreak2k> CrabMan, that's the default for Slackware. 09:39:17 <Rubidium> CrabMan: that's just the compiler 09:39:18 <CrabMan> ah 09:40:44 *** Doorslammer|BRSet [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-144-134-197-249.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #openttd 09:42:18 <TiberiusTeng> but ... using only i486 instruction sets ? :P 09:44:52 <TiberiusTeng> just made me think of that "Gentoo is for Ricers" article 09:46:59 <TiberiusTeng> -march=nocona -mfpmath=sse -ffast-math -ffinite-math-only -funsafe-math-optimizations -O3 -pipe 09:47:37 *** dlunch [~dlunch@61.108.29.49] has joined #openttd 09:49:26 <ccfreak2k> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nocona 09:50:37 <TiberiusTeng> it means Pentium 4 Xeon/Core 2 Duo by Intel ... 09:51:49 <TiberiusTeng> (well I wonder why C2D shares 'nocona' arch optimization ... but once an Intel guru said in a mailing list that C2D should use nocona) 09:57:53 *** Yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 09:59:32 * dih runs for his life 10:00:03 * Yorick runs after dih 10:00:46 <dih> Yorick: wisdom is chasing you... 10:00:50 <dih> ... yet you run faster! 10:00:57 * Yorick slows down 10:01:50 <Yorick> at least I got mingw+bottd working on vista :) 10:02:27 <dih> the fact that you use vista already shows you run _very_ fast! 10:02:42 * TiberiusTeng is try enabling 8xMSAA in code 10:02:54 <Yorick> wheh, it wasn't my choice to have vista on this laptop 10:04:19 <ccfreak2k> It WAS your choice about buying the laptop, however. 10:04:59 <Yorick> yeah 10:06:10 <Yorick> why does the notebookmouse that came with it require a flat surface 10:06:16 <Yorick> it's a NOTEBOOKMOUSE 10:07:09 <TiberiusTeng> uh which mouse ? 10:07:56 <Yorick> the acer ferrari mouse 10:08:36 <Yorick> works nicely with the inbuilt bluetooth, except for the fact that vista doesn't want to have bluetooth if it's not connected to a power supply 10:12:20 <KingJ> I (used to) have a Acer Ferrari laptop 10:12:34 * dih smirks at the "used to" 10:13:07 <KingJ> You expect me to work on 1GB RAM/1.6Ghz/x700 Graphics in 2008? 10:13:31 <Yorick> it's 2GB RAM 10:13:42 <ccfreak2k> No, Mister Bond. 10:13:44 <KingJ> Mine came with 512, upgraded to 1GB 10:13:46 <ccfreak2k> I expect you to die. 10:13:46 <dih> well - obviously it was not when he had his! 10:13:55 <KingJ> This was the Ferrari 4000 10:14:05 <Yorick> KingJ: this IS a Ferrari 5002 10:14:10 <dih> why on earth name a laptop ferrari 10:14:13 <KingJ> I've still got the mouse though 10:14:13 <dih> that is just wrong 10:14:19 <KingJ> branding = extra £££ 10:14:32 <Yorick> but I don't care about that 10:14:41 <Yorick> they can sell it cheaper for that, apperently 10:14:48 <Yorick> and it has nice specs 10:14:49 <KingJ> They did to me :) 10:15:04 <Yorick> they sold this one for â¬1230 10:16:04 <dih> i never liked acer 10:17:03 <Yorick> vista: yes I want to enable speech recognition on a dutch language pack, I'll speak english to you, yes I know you can't understand dutch, ENABLE THAT ENGLISH SPEECH-TO-TEXT YOU **** VISTA 10:17:11 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:17:14 <Yorick> :) 10:18:50 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:19:11 <Yorick> at least the aero works nicely with video playback and such 10:21:05 <Yorick> hmm...I don't remember any virusses that display snowflakes on your screen 10:21:46 <CrabMan> Yorick: i suspect pebkec 10:21:54 <CrabMan> Yorick: i suspect pebkac* 10:22:33 <Yorick> I'm not on a chair 10:22:41 <CrabMan> dammit 10:22:56 <ccfreak2k> It's a layer 0 problem. 10:23:13 <Yorick> falling snowflakes on my screen? 10:24:09 <ccfreak2k> Yes. 10:25:03 <Yorick> woah, they can load 12 million inhabitants into one truck 10:25:35 <ccfreak2k> Depends on your definition of "inhabitants". 10:26:07 <Yorick> bees 10:28:21 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1EC88.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:35:23 *** Pikka [~user@58.173.248.50] has joined #openttd 10:38:47 <CrabMan> BEEEEEESSSSSSS 10:39:09 <Yorick> no, BEEEEzzZzzZzzz 10:39:28 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:39:37 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 10:44:52 <joachim> didn't there use to be speed record notices? 10:46:45 <peter1138> not as far as i know 10:48:06 <Yorick> don't think so 10:49:53 <Maedhros> that might be lomo 10:55:29 <joachim> hm, ok 10:55:36 <joachim> not even in tt/ttd? 10:56:58 <Yorick> nope 10:58:07 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:58:16 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has left #openttd [] 10:58:44 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 11:08:45 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 11:08:58 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has left #openttd [] 11:09:08 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:09:24 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 11:09:44 <dih> he's doing it again 11:09:47 <dih> just without the _ 11:10:26 *** |414TooLong| [~osiris@122-49-151-202.ip.adam.com.au] has joined #openttd 11:14:26 *** CrabMan [~osiris@114-30-109-103.ip.adam.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:21:01 *** curson [~curzon@79-68-26-161.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 11:25:40 *** |414TooLong| is now known as CrabMan 11:26:50 *** CrabMan is now known as HaloMaster 11:32:47 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4d0cfc07.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:43:42 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:48:13 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [] 12:04:49 *** Doorslammer|BRSet is now known as Doorslammer|OTTD 12:05:46 *** Pikka [~user@58.173.248.50] has left #openttd [] 12:08:28 <dih> trallalla 12:08:44 <mucht_work> stop trallallaling 12:09:09 <dih> trallalla 12:09:31 <dih> tÃŒdeldÃŒ 12:13:26 <Yorick> dih: why so happy? 12:14:22 <dih> not anymore 12:15:08 <Yorick> why were you happy? 12:20:58 <dih> can you keep a seecret? 12:21:20 *** TiberiusTeng_ [Tiberius@140.120.15.14] has joined #openttd 12:21:36 <dih> TiberiusTeng_ is doing a Gekz___ 12:22:27 <Gekz> :o 12:22:31 <Gekz> exaplin 12:22:33 <Gekz> explain even 12:22:57 <Gekz> my internet was playing up 12:22:58 <Gekz> >_> 12:25:00 <dih> you were just going some ugly number of _ yesterday :-P 12:30:02 <Gekz> lol 12:30:03 <Gekz> yes 12:30:06 <Gekz> internet said NO YOU 12:30:08 <Gekz> >_> 12:30:14 <TiberiusTeng_> ~_~ 12:30:26 <TiberiusTeng_> seems I need to register another account for my computer at school :P 12:31:38 <dih> why is that? 12:31:44 <dih> just /msg nickserv regain 12:31:47 <dih> or use a bouncer 12:31:52 <dih> or irssi (via ssh?) 12:32:02 <TiberiusTeng_> hmm ... 12:33:29 <dih> znc is nice 12:35:18 <Gekz> I used to use znc 12:35:25 <Gekz> then my shell provider randomly ran of 12:35:27 <Gekz> off* 12:35:35 <Gekz> a month, was heaps cheap 12:35:55 <dih> i colocate my servers 12:36:01 <dih> and just run it off of one of them 12:36:20 <dih> and oftc bumped my ip to allow more connections 12:36:29 <Gekz> leet 12:36:34 <Gekz> I wish i could be as leet as you 12:36:39 <Gekz> maybe you'll help me to be leet? 12:37:02 <dih> yeah - start off with shutting up 12:37:14 <Gekz> and then? 12:37:21 <dih> you just failed! aint gonna help you 12:37:27 <Gekz> and then? 12:37:39 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 12:38:22 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:38:33 <Yorick> he did it again 12:39:22 *** Gekz_ is now known as Gekz 12:39:31 <Gekz> the internet hates at me 12:39:32 *** TiberiusTeng_ [Tiberius@140.120.15.14] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:39:32 <Yorick> just use /ns regain 12:39:41 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@user-54418bdb.lns1-c7.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:39:49 <Gekz> erm, it was a random reconnect 12:39:52 <Gekz> I had nothing to do with it 12:39:56 <Yorick> why? 12:40:11 <Gekz> why what 12:40:19 <Yorick> why disconnect? 12:40:43 <Gekz> the internet is dodgy 12:41:03 *** Osai^zZz`off is now known as Osai 12:52:31 *** Zahl [~Zahl@p549F2FC9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:56:57 *** Osai is now known as Osai`off 13:05:58 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@user-54418bdb.lns1-c7.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:11:31 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:11:34 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:21:41 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:34:20 *** Yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Poef!] 13:38:57 *** Volley [~worf@84.119.42.30] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:40:01 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host81-153-31-71.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 13:44:08 *** Maedhros [~jc@i-195-137-43-74.freedom2surf.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:46:53 *** Osai`off is now known as Osai 13:49:57 <Sacro> dih: oi, I'm enjoying that post 13:52:13 <dih> which one exactly :-P 13:53:57 <dih> Sacro: we need an idiot highscore 13:54:05 <Sacro> oh... 13:54:08 <Sacro> the tunnels thread 13:54:11 <dih> yes 13:54:16 <dih> i did pick up on that 13:54:47 <dih> i pitty Draakon's mother 13:56:42 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 13:56:51 <Sacro> ooh 13:57:06 <Sacro> maquinista actaully edited his post to point out that basetunnels cannot be used with OTTD 13:57:07 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has left #openttd [] 13:57:25 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 13:58:21 <dih> Sacro: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=703531#p703531 13:58:24 <dih> read from there on 14:03:34 <dih> "This isn't a game (not even a RPG)" <-- lol 14:04:04 <Gekz> an RPG* 14:05:17 <dih> well - that being the minor thing to laugh at, yes 14:09:53 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@p549F2FC9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 14:09:54 *** Zahl [~Zahl@p549F2FC9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:09:54 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 14:12:33 *** grumbel [~grumbel@i577AC4FE.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 14:19:51 <dih> quote by Draakon: "an American citizen(UK, Canada and Australia included)" 14:19:52 <dih> LOL 14:20:10 <dih> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=698804#p698804 14:22:08 <penguinmessiah> soo 14:22:18 <penguinmessiah> where do i install the planeset? 14:22:45 <Touqen> in your grf directory 14:22:56 <Touqen> where is $installdir/data 14:23:52 <penguinmessiah> thankyou and soirry for stupid question :3 14:24:23 <dih> :-P 14:24:38 <dih> the word missiah seems out of place :-D 15:10:02 *** fjb [~frank@p5485C499.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:10:06 <fjb> Hello 15:11:49 *** mikl [~mikl@cpe.ge-0-2-0-812.0x50c774be.boanqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: mikl] 15:12:42 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 15:19:02 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:19:18 *** Yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 15:21:51 *** Belugas_Gone [~belugas@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 15:21:53 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas_Gone] by ChanServ 15:37:00 *** Osai is now known as Osai`off 15:37:47 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@adsl-58.35.Static.ssp.fi] has quit [] 15:39:55 *** Osai`off is now known as Osai 15:40:02 <dih> these Draakon posts are making me laugh 15:41:01 <hylje> laff 15:41:29 <fjb> Don't feed the trolls... 15:41:31 <Yorick> what did he say today? 15:42:13 *** Belugas_Gone [~belugas@216.191.111.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:43:33 *** Belugas_Gone [~belugas@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 15:43:34 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas_Gone] by ChanServ 15:45:44 <dih> Yorick: he's just being himself :-D 15:45:51 <Yorick> in what way? 15:46:00 <Yorick> he seems to have multiple selfs sometimes 15:46:03 <Yorick> :-P 15:46:21 <dih> any of them are simply idiotic 15:46:59 <Yorick> link? 15:47:28 <dih> tt-forums.net 15:47:30 <dih> search 15:47:37 <Yorick> search :O 15:48:52 <Yorick> oh, the enhanced tunnels topic 15:49:01 <hylje> enchanted tunnels 15:49:29 <Yorick> enhanced* 15:49:37 <Yorick> damn spellcheckers* 15:51:03 <dih> just 'tunnel' 15:51:04 <dih> yeah 15:51:07 <dih> it's great :-P 15:51:12 <dih> he is soooo stupid 15:56:50 *** Osai is now known as Osai`off 15:59:04 <Yorick> dih seems to like stupid people 15:59:31 <dih> no 15:59:40 <dih> i am merely humord by those stupid posts 16:00:40 <Yorick> basically the same 16:01:23 *** Osai`off is now known as Osai 16:02:02 <dih> nope 16:02:11 <dih> looks like you are making silly remarks also now 16:02:12 <dih> :-P 16:02:45 <Yorick> vista makes people silly 16:03:11 <Yorick> ...how nice, they want me to backup the pc 16:03:19 <Yorick> estimated image size: 18 GB 16:04:00 <Ammler> and to they ask for a floppy disk? 16:04:06 <Ammler> do 16:04:40 <Yorick> no, they want a second HD 16:04:45 *** GoneWacko [GoneWacko@86-60-157-76-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi] has joined #openttd 16:10:05 <Yorick> "this is only a grf file containing a tunnel" 16:14:26 *** Osai is now known as Osai`off 16:17:08 <joachim> kind of hypocritical of people to deny changes in their work for ttdpatch/openttd though, when all their work do is change other people's work (ttd).. 16:18:06 *** MorgyN [~mig@water.morgyn.org] has joined #openttd 16:18:40 * MorgyN windmills into the channel. 16:19:25 <MorgyN> Hopefully a quick question, does anyone have a link to a 16 or more player patch? I've tried searching the forums and google in general with no luck 16:19:47 <Yexo> try the wwotttgd wiki page 16:20:07 <Yexo> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/World_Wide_OpenTTD_Game_Day/2 16:20:18 <Yexo> http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/images/4/4b/R13040_clientnum.diff <- that seems to be the diff they use 16:20:41 <Yexo> you can only have more clients with that patch though, not more companies 16:20:53 <MorgyN> aha, sorry. yes I should have been clearer. 16:21:01 <MorgyN> I was after a 16 or more company patch 16:21:12 <Yexo> I do not know of any recent 16 company patch 16:21:57 <MorgyN> Dang, I'm guessing its not trivial as it would allready be implemented 16:23:13 *** mikl [~mikl@x1-6-00-14-bf-cc-78-b6.k706.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 16:23:17 <glx> there's one on bugs.openttd.org IIRC, but it's a very old one 16:23:37 <Yexo> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/53 16:24:11 <MorgyN> ahh thats quite a big diff too 16:25:29 <glx> it's not a simple task to allow more companies 16:25:48 *** Yorick_ [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 16:26:24 *** Yorick is now known as Guest3060 16:26:24 *** Yorick_ is now known as Yorick 16:30:47 <MorgyN> looking through the comments on the bug, was this not brought into trunk due to a plan for an alternate method, or was there another reason. I'm wondering if its worth porting the code to the current trunk 16:30:51 *** Guest3060 [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:33:57 *** Belugas_Gone [~belugas@216.191.111.226] has quit [Quit: On snow, everyone can follow your traces] 16:37:16 *** Belugas_Gone [~belugas@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 16:37:18 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas_Gone] by ChanServ 16:50:29 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d00ae8e.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:50:48 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A7882.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:50:49 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A7882.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 16:51:51 *** Yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Remote host closed Yoricks connection, Poef!] 16:53:33 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 17:00:41 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489B40D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:07:26 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489D598.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:19:40 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:20:06 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 17:20:33 *** Osai`off is now known as Osai 17:21:38 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@62.113.134.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:24:04 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host126-174-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 17:24:12 <Wolf01> hello 17:25:11 <ln> hello, telecomitalia 17:33:05 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.203] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:33:05 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:33:19 <Wolf01> any new? 17:34:11 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.203] has joined #openttd 17:34:42 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 17:46:19 *** oja [~0blivious@3E339CE3.dslaccess.aol.com] has quit [] 17:46:20 *** Doorslammer|OTTD [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-144-134-197-249.prem.tmns.net.au] has quit [] 17:46:38 *** svip [~svip@0x50a5b150.boanxx18.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:46:55 *** svip [~svip@0x50a5b150.boanxx18.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 17:49:36 <fjb> No, we all are old. 17:51:30 *** Osai is now known as Osai`off 17:59:04 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489B40D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:00:56 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499F28F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:07:49 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i59F561D4.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 18:11:51 *** mikl [~mikl@x1-6-00-14-bf-cc-78-b6.k706.webspeed.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:12:28 *** mikl [~mikl@x1-6-00-14-bf-cc-78-b6.k706.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 18:14:41 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F561D4.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:15:50 *** EER [~some@s5592681b.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 18:16:29 *** mikl [~mikl@x1-6-00-14-bf-cc-78-b6.k706.webspeed.dk] has quit [] 18:18:25 *** ln [~lanurm@castor.utu.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:22:04 <planetmaker> hello 18:22:43 <planetmaker> MorgyN> [18:30:47] (...) I'm wondering if its worth porting the code to the current trunk <-- depends upon how urgent it is for you :) 18:28:44 <MorgyN> vaguely I know its on the todo list for the future of the project but obviously theres no timescales on it =) 18:33:19 <planetmaker> hehe :) 18:44:04 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl5402B32D.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:46:21 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl5402B32D.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 18:56:02 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499F28F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:56:53 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: frosch * r13671 /trunk/src/tgp.cpp: -Cleanup: Zeros for sell. 18:58:41 <MorgyN> does CIA-4 list commits? 19:00:11 *** EER [~some@s5592681b.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:00:23 <Yexo> yes, as long as it's around 19:02:52 *** einKarl [~einKarl@91-65-234-54-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:05:59 *** Yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 19:07:27 *** Ridayah [~ridayah@12-208-15-67.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:13:10 <Belugas_Gone> otherwise, go to #openttd.notice, it's even better, you even have the bugs! 19:13:57 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:14:12 <Belugas_Gone> [11:56] <Yorick> dih seems to like stupid people <-- not hard to find! they are EVERYWHERE!!!! 19:14:15 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82.171.220.59] has joined #openttd 19:14:29 <Yorick> even here 19:14:49 * Belugas_Gone knows a few in here indeed... 19:15:22 <peter1138> i see 98 19:15:44 * peter1138 does not think Belugas_Gone is stupid :) 19:16:09 * Belugas_Gone does not think that peter1138 is among those either :D 19:16:57 <fjb> At least we don't have idiots in here. 19:17:12 <peter1138> indeed 19:17:20 <peter1138> good ol' topic 19:17:23 <Rubidium> really? 19:17:25 <peter1138> hmm 19:17:40 <peter1138> yeah the topic says so see 19:17:41 <Rubidium> 99 - peter1138 - Belugas_Gone is less than 98 19:17:44 <Belugas_Gone> idiots in here? they must be on my /ignore list 19:18:41 <fjb> Rubidium: I don't think that people who are not able to count are idiots. 19:19:50 <Rubidium> but not being able to count sounds stupid to me ;) 19:19:58 <peter1138> 99 - Belugas_Gone is 98, however 19:20:24 <Rubidium> but if Belugas_Gone isn't stupid, then his statement about peter1138 shouldn't be stupid either 19:20:43 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93-80-86-93.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:20:53 <peter1138> Belugas_Gone is not stupid, merely wrong :) 19:21:10 <peter1138> also he's gone 19:22:46 <Rubidium> that happens when he has a state forced free day ;) 19:24:19 *** Ridayah [~ridayah@12-208-15-67.client.mchsi.com] has joined #openttd 19:28:13 <Belugas_Gone> yeah... and a woman watching my every move... 19:28:27 <Belugas_Gone> "yes, dear, i'm coming" 19:53:59 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl5402B32D.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:54:08 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl5402B32D.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 20:19:17 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82.171.220.59] has joined #openttd 20:19:17 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82.171.220.59] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:19:19 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 20:25:37 <TiberiusTeng> hmm ... fullscreen MSAA didn't improve graph quality :X 20:35:29 *** Yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Poef!] 20:43:22 *** TB [~marinusis@81.171.73.24] has joined #openttd 20:43:22 *** bowman [johanf@81-226-229-179-no59.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:45:05 *** orudge` [orudge@pc.lan.owenrudge.net] has joined #openttd 20:45:08 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge`] by ChanServ 20:46:14 *** bowman [johanf@81-226-229-179-no59.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 20:46:25 <Eddi|zuHause2> "TB" is a dangerous nick to use 20:56:01 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1EC88.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:56:09 <fjb> Don't add a "C". 21:00:20 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@81.171.98.107] has quit [Quit: Caught signal 15, Terminated] 21:00:20 *** orudge [~orudge@owenrudge.net] has quit [Quit: Caught signal 15, Terminated] 21:01:06 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82.171.220.59] has joined #openttd 21:01:06 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82.171.220.59] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:01:08 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 21:01:33 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d00ae8e.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:04:32 *** mikl [~mikl@x1-6-00-14-bf-cc-78-b6.k706.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 21:04:39 <Digitalfox> What does TBC mean? honest question here... 21:05:50 <Eddi|zuHause2> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuberkulose 21:06:29 <Digitalfox> oh.. 21:10:07 *** Andel [~andel@owenrudge.net] has joined #openttd 21:10:11 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@81.171.98.107] has joined #openttd 21:12:17 *** orudge [~orudge@owenrudge.net] has joined #openttd 21:12:41 *** orudge` [orudge@pc.lan.owenrudge.net] has quit [Quit: Goodbye.] 21:14:50 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:20:51 *** ln- [~lanurm@castor.utu.fi] has joined #openttd 21:31:48 *** TiberiusTeng [~Tiberius@sbt.idv.tw] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:37:22 <peter1138> To Be Continued 21:37:59 <Wolf01> yes... night :P 21:38:07 <Wolf01> (really) 21:38:22 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host126-174-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:39:55 <ccfreak2k> Hmm. 21:40:07 <ccfreak2k> sdlgl_v.cpp failes to compile in VisualStudio 8. 21:45:01 <ben_goodger> is there the slightest possibility that this is the fault of anything but visual studio? 21:45:31 *** Osai`off is now known as Osai 21:45:54 <ccfreak2k> Hard to tell. 21:46:06 <ccfreak2k> "'SDL_GL_SwapBuffers' : is not a member of 'SDLProcs' 21:47:29 <glx> hehe 21:47:55 <glx> sdl is disabled in VS 21:48:10 <glx> but it seems you enabled it 21:48:11 <ccfreak2k> I added WITH_SDL to the preprocessor. 21:48:30 <glx> you need to add the function in sdl.h 21:49:49 <ccfreak2k> Yeah, apparently it's not including SDL's SDL.. 21:49:50 <glx> and in sdl.cpp too 21:49:51 <ccfreak2k> SDL.g. 21:49:56 <ccfreak2k> SDL.h 21:50:12 <glx> win32 uses sdl.dll 21:50:27 <glx> it's all dynamic 21:51:16 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1EC88.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:56:00 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i59F561D4.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:57:16 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@p549F1FA9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:58:26 *** sunkan [sunkan@sunkan.bsnet.se] has joined #openttd 21:59:25 *** sunk [sunkan@sunkan.bsnet.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:59:25 *** sunkan is now known as sunk 22:01:02 *** Andel [~andel@owenrudge.net] has quit [Quit: Caught signal 15, Terminated] 22:01:13 *** Andel [~andel@owenrudge.net] has joined #openttd 22:01:18 *** Zahl__ [~Zahl@209.uzh.fr.studentenwohnheim-bw.de] has joined #openttd 22:04:21 *** Zahl [~Zahl@p549F2FC9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:04:21 *** Zahl__ is now known as Zahl 22:07:04 <ccfreak2k> It also helped to include SDL.lib in the project. :/ 22:07:37 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82ADE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:08:22 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@p549F1FA9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:08:55 <glx> not needed 22:09:20 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82237.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 22:09:23 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 22:09:26 <ccfreak2k> It eliminated a linker error. 22:10:31 <glx> you used SDL_CALL ? 22:10:50 <ccfreak2k> void (SDLCALL *SDL_GL_SwapBuffers) (void); 22:12:08 <glx> I mean SDL_CALL SDL_GL_SwapBuffers() in the code 22:12:21 <glx> like all other SDL functions 22:14:50 *** Andel [~andel@owenrudge.net] has left #openttd [] 22:15:05 <ccfreak2k> Yep. 22:16:18 <glx> give me the diff (I'll try with mingw) 22:16:38 <ccfreak2k> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=38151&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&sid=84430fe59ae65d890d71223be687a155&start=0 22:16:43 <ccfreak2k> Should build with mingw. :) 22:23:53 *** Zahl [~Zahl@209.uzh.fr.studentenwohnheim-bw.de] has quit [Quit: (~_~]"] 22:24:45 <ccfreak2k> Hmm. 22:28:24 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl5402B32D.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:29:34 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:42:29 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@user-54418bdb.lns1-c7.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:45:41 <joachim> is there any interest in maintaining a common "testing"-branch with most available patches? 22:47:52 <Sacro> See: MiniIN 22:48:03 <joachim> yes, that was one of them 22:48:07 <Yexo> joachim: and who will maintain such a branch? 22:48:30 <Yexo> see the patchpacks all around the forums, they die within a few months usually 22:48:34 <glx> Sacro: miniin was not a testing branch 22:48:43 <Sacro> yes it wass 22:48:43 <Ammler> joachim: tt-forums :-) 22:48:52 <glx> Sacro: it never was 22:49:03 <joachim> like I said, if there is interest to maintain one commen testing/unstable-branch, we could combine resources 22:49:06 <glx> it was just a patchpack 22:49:12 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:49:33 <Yexo> joachim: see the community patchpack, that died after version 1 22:49:38 <Sacro> glx: it had a testing branch on svn too 22:49:42 <Yexo> or even after the test version, I don't remember 22:50:31 *** TB [~marinusis@81.171.73.24] has quit [Quit: TB] 22:51:06 <joachim> ok - i haven't followed the community for some years, but it seems like a lot of branches are born and quickly dies 22:51:25 <Yexo> yes, because maintaining a patchpack is a lot of work 22:51:47 <joachim> as they all share a common interest of joining new/testing patches a common project could work better 22:52:11 <Yexo> and how would such a common project work? 22:52:17 <Yexo> who will be responsible? 22:52:30 <Yexo> if two patches collide, which of the two will go in? 22:52:32 <joachim> how does any open project work? 22:52:44 <joachim> how does wikipedia work? 22:53:23 <Yexo> well, OpenTTD works because there is a group of developers who make sure the code remains readable and they enfore a coding standard 22:53:24 <joachim> but ok, there's obviously no interest... :) 22:53:35 <Ammler> wouldn't call it "die" 22:53:45 <Yexo> there is interest, there are just many questions that need to be answered before it'll work 22:54:03 <Ammler> you just call it the patchpack branch an from time to time someoen "updates" it 22:54:16 <Ammler> the name changes but it is still the same idea behind. 22:54:32 <Ammler> so patchpack is alive... 22:54:49 *** TB [~marinusis@81.171.73.24] has joined #openttd 22:54:51 <joachim> i keep my local version, and it seems many people do the same as there are branches published from time to time 22:55:15 <Yexo> there is one major problem wiht that: as soon as you publish multiple versions, people want savegame compatibility 22:55:57 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:56:10 <joachim> between versions or branches? 22:56:23 <Yexo> what is the difference? 22:56:36 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 22:56:50 <Yexo> (as in, define branch) 22:57:05 <Ammler> there are still people playing MiniIN because of that :-P 22:57:54 <joachim> they shouldn't expect it between branches (more new code), also... finish your game.. keeping savegame compatibility within a branch though, should be expected 22:59:13 <Yexo> joachim: so your interpretatino of a 'branch' is a patchpack, where you can have different versions (bugfixes). As soon as new patches are added or patches removed, it'll be a new branch. Is that what you mean? 23:00:24 <joachim> yeah, i'm sorry. if openttd decides to not include patches i guess i mean a fork 23:00:37 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 23:03:06 <Ammler> as long as the fork is based on openttd :-) 23:03:11 <Yexo> joachim: any idea how much work it is to keep that up to date with 10 or more patches? 23:04:03 <glx> ccfreak2k: mingw fails to compile too, so it's not an MSVC problem ;) 23:04:20 <joachim> Yexo: yes, and that's why effort is better spent combined than releasing tens or hundreds of individual patchpacks 23:04:31 <ccfreak2k> glx, that's a bug then (although, win32 users have the win32gl driver...). 23:04:38 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-36.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: Zzhatsjoezzz] 23:04:53 <glx> no the code is incomplete 23:05:05 <joachim> is code ever complete? :) 23:05:48 <ccfreak2k> Mine compiles, but, not suprisingly, it crashes at SDL_CALL SDL_GL_SwapBuffers(); 23:06:02 <Yexo> joachim: go read http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=36547 23:07:19 <joachim> thanks, I will :) 23:07:44 <glx> hmm failed to link 23:08:38 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:08:41 <glx> because config.lib is wrong 23:08:49 <glx> ,...# HACK: Please fix me. D: 23:08:59 <ccfreak2k> Hey, that's my code! 23:09:22 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 23:09:31 *** lobstar_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 23:09:37 <glx> -lGL doesn't work for mingw 23:10:20 <ccfreak2k> Noted. 23:11:21 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:13:01 <glx> http://glx.dnsalias.net:8080/openttd/config.lib.diff <-- this should be better 23:13:10 * glx retries to compile 23:13:20 *** curson [~curzon@79-68-26-161.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Quit: If everything seems to be going well, you have obviously overlooked something.] 23:15:52 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1EC88.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:16:02 <joachim> openstreetmap has a lot of fixmes 23:16:03 <glx> ccfreak2k: you forgot SDL_CALL for SDL_GL_SetAttribute 23:16:20 <joachim> everyone should do their best to fix them :) 23:16:34 <ccfreak2k> joachim, so does Wine. :| 23:17:09 <ccfreak2k> glx, heh, whoever wrote the original diff that Tiberius has did that, so...monkey see, monkey do. 23:17:15 <ccfreak2k> Or maybe it's garbage in, garbage out. :) 23:17:21 <joachim> are you running openttd through wine? 23:19:23 <glx> compiled and linked 23:20:27 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:21:30 <glx> works 23:22:02 <ccfreak2k> And you made sure to use -v sdlgl -b opengl right? :) 23:22:06 <glx> yes 23:22:20 <glx> dbg: [sdlgl] Initialize opengl 23:22:21 <glx> dbg: [sdlgl] Set newscreen 23:22:21 <glx> dbg: [sdlgl] Check newscreen 23:22:21 <glx> dbg: [sdlgl] PostDriverInit() 23:22:21 <glx> dbg: [GL] Texture units: 4 23:22:22 <glx> dbg: [GL] Texture size limit: 4096 23:22:22 <glx> dbg: [GL] Non power-of-two sized textures: supported 23:22:24 <glx> dbg: [GL] palette animation: enabled 23:22:24 <glx> dbg: [sdlgl] Set first screen size 23:22:25 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 23:22:26 <glx> ... 23:24:32 *** TB [~marinusis@81.171.73.24] has quit [Quit: TB] 23:25:38 <ccfreak2k> Heh doesn't work for me. 23:25:38 <ccfreak2k> Debugging is fun. 23:25:39 <joachim> do you need to use wine for the new gl blitter? 23:26:11 <joachim> or is there another reason that makes less sense? :) 23:26:15 *** lobstar_MB is now known as lobster_MB 23:26:24 <glx> http://glx.dnsalias.net:8080/openttd/opengl_r13671_mingw.diff 23:26:52 <glx> anyway it seems this patch contains a lot of unrelated changes 23:28:20 <glx> ccfreak2k: the important part in sdl.(h|cpp) 23:28:21 <ccfreak2k> joachim, no. 23:28:32 <ccfreak2k> I just wanted to see if I could make the sdlgl driver work in win32. 23:28:47 <glx> and sdlgl_v.cpp too 23:28:49 <ccfreak2k> glx, what patch and what changes? 23:28:58 <joachim> in a wine-win32 environment? 23:29:20 <ccfreak2k> joachim, no. Just regular win32. 23:29:28 <ccfreak2k> sdlgl works perfectly well in Slackware. 23:29:35 <glx> ccfreak2k: I applied the diff, fixed stuff to compile and rediff 23:29:55 <joachim> oh - who mentioned wine? :) 23:30:17 <ccfreak2k> Oh ok, so this diff includes Tiberius? 23:30:24 <glx> yes 23:30:36 <ccfreak2k> joachim, it was me because it's another example of a project with lots of FIXME and stubs. :) 23:30:42 <joachim> ah :) 23:30:47 <glx> but the required changes are in src\sdl.* 23:30:58 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:30:59 <glx> and src\video\sdlgl_v.cpp 23:31:25 <joachim> ccfreak2k: as you see, wine will be stuck to you in my memory until i find something else to remember... 23:31:43 *** lobstar_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 23:32:22 <joachim> is orudge or other forum admins (if there are any) ever online on irc? 23:32:31 *** Mark [~M4rk@5351EE62.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:32:52 <joachim> (i'd like my original username back) 23:34:16 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:35:36 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 23:35:41 <ccfreak2k> Uhh. 23:36:02 <ccfreak2k> I don't see sdlgl_v.cpp anywhere. 23:36:14 <Yexo> joachim: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=38208 23:36:22 <glx> I forgot to svn add some files 23:37:48 <glx> refreshed 23:38:36 <ccfreak2k> Blah. 23:38:47 <ccfreak2k> It makes sdlgl_v.cpp from a null file so I can't see what's changed. D: 23:39:00 <joachim> Yexo: sorry for being unspecific, my old account, not username... have been inactive for years 23:39:13 <ccfreak2k> Was it just adding SDL_CALL where appropriate? 23:39:33 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:39:45 <Yexo> ah, ok. In that case, Orudge is here regurarly 23:39:48 <Yexo> @seen Orudge 23:39:48 <DorpsGek> Yexo: Orudge was last seen in #openttd 2 weeks, 2 days, 8 hours, 6 minutes, and 22 seconds ago: <orudge> let's see if those bots are gone now 23:39:52 <glx> ccfreak2k: yes 23:40:00 <Yexo> hmm, not so regurarly it seems :p 23:40:03 <glx> in VideoDriver_SDLGL::Start for SDL_GL_SetAttribute 23:40:17 <ccfreak2k> Ok, already did that then. 23:41:00 <glx> should compile with just WITH_SDL and sdl includes 23:41:02 <Yexo> well, he was here a few hours ago, just didn't say a thing 23:42:00 <ccfreak2k> Hmm. 23:42:04 <ccfreak2k> Doesn't resize correctly. 23:42:06 <ccfreak2k> :/ 23:43:11 <ccfreak2k> Heh, looks like sdlgl is sort of useless in win32. Now I know. :) 23:44:55 <glx> btw configure source.list is 'incorrect', it shouldn't compile GLee when opengl is disabled 23:45:10 <glx> same for blitters/opengl 23:45:23 <glx> or video/*gl 23:45:32 <ccfreak2k> Ok. 23:46:25 *** dlunch [~dlunch@61.108.29.49] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:48:20 <glx> but that implies to modify configure, and projects\generate* 23:53:02 <ccfreak2k> Well, at least sdlgl is an improvement in Linux.