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Log for #openttd on 3rd July 2008:
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00:00:18  <dih> you mean printf does not work on windows?
00:00:44  <glx> it prints in the application console
00:01:27  <glx> only if the application opened it
00:02:01  <dih> dont you just hate windows -P
00:02:13  <dih> and dont you just hate it if your smily lacks a few eyes
00:02:39  <glx> I don't know why they did it that way
00:02:52  <dih> is there no way of sending text to the command line?
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00:03:27  <glx> not without being a console app
00:03:41  <dih> gnah
00:04:11  <dih> but it would be possible if openttd.exe was run from the cmd?
00:04:25  <glx> you can't detect that
00:04:34  <dih> you can read my mind :-P
00:04:50  <dih> what happens if i printf without it being a console app?
00:04:55  <glx> and the console/non-console thing is a byte in PE header
00:05:10  <glx> nothing happens
00:05:27  <dih> then that is fine, is it not?
00:07:36  <dih> as if it did display to the console, and it was not run from the console, the console would close that quickely, that one could not read it anyway :-P
00:07:40  <dih> http://paste.openttd.org/25434
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00:10:50  <glx> I don't see a real need for it as you can parse openttd -h output
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00:16:26  <glx> openttd.exe -h 2>&1 | awk '/OpenTTD/ { print ; }'
00:16:32  <glx> same effect
00:16:34  <Ammler> ./openttd -h | grep OpenTTD | cut -b 9-
00:16:56  <dih> glx: ok ;-)
00:17:04  <dih> Yexo, there you have it :-P
00:17:38  <glx> Ammler: yours miss 2>&1 ;)
00:18:03  <Ammler> oh, Yexo is porting autostart to windows
00:18:18  <glx> autostart?
00:18:48  <Ammler> a tool we use for autoupdate/join the server
00:19:12  <Ammler> http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/Autostart
00:20:05  <glx> it should already work on windows, but it needs convert.exe
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00:20:35  <glx> maybe I should add options to convert.exe so it doesn't toggle console/window mode
00:21:35  <Ammler> why not running openttd as console app anyway?
00:22:00  <glx> because you then always have 2 windows open
00:22:40  <glx> debug build and openttd -d "acts" like a console app without being a console app
00:23:11  <glx> a console app always open a console window if not started from cmd
00:24:30  <Ammler> well then, indeed bad.
00:25:01  <Ammler> this will also happen, if you start it from mingw?
00:25:15  <glx> yes
00:25:43  <glx> well if it's a console app started from bash it won't open a console
00:26:20  <Ammler> and if it no console app, the output won't go to the console.
00:26:35  <glx> it will open a console window
00:26:53  <Ammler> a debug console?
00:27:16  <glx> hmm sometimes it just segfault ;)
00:29:07  <glx> ok when started from sh it doesn't open a console window
00:29:25  <glx> but it segfault if stdout and stderr are not redirected
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00:32:01  <Ammler> just tried in VM XP
00:32:15  <Ammler> with ./openttd.exe -d
00:32:23  <Ammler> works like in linux
00:32:28  <glx> in bash?
00:33:08  <Ammler> yes
00:33:10  <Ammler> mingw
00:33:18  <glx> debug or release build?
00:33:24  <Ammler> hmm
00:33:34  <dih> release build with -d ? :-P
00:33:37  <Ammler> bottd newgrf_port branach
00:33:58  <Ammler> how does bottd compile?
00:34:11  <glx> release I think
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00:35:17  <glx> release build works but segfault with -d
00:35:25  <glx> debug build always segfault
00:35:40  <Ammler> hmm, not here
00:35:52  <Ammler> well, didn't try with trunk
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00:45:30  <dih> night
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00:51:09  <Ammler> night dih
00:51:13  <Ammler> glx: http://img11.myimg.de/mingwdebugfdfd9.png
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01:09:09  <CIA-3> OpenTTD: belugas * r13672 /trunk/src/toolbar_gui.cpp: -Fix(r13670): silent warnings that MSVC did not raised. Looks like enums can not be easily matched :(
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01:25:04  <ccfreak2k> Why Sun xVM?
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02:01:01  <Belugas> ccfreak2k ?
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03:52:55  <|Thorn|> Hey - weird thing here
03:53:01  <|Thorn|> What does it mean if
03:53:14  <|Thorn|> When a plane/train etc reaches it's destination and unloads
03:53:25  <|Thorn|> The little floating money numbers are in yellow
03:53:29  <|Thorn|> And the profit is not counted at all?
03:57:04  <|Thorn|> losing all the money because of it -.-
03:59:46  <Yexo> you're using the tranfer option
04:00:11  <Yexo> don't use transfer as long as you don't understand what it does
04:00:34  <Yexo> see http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Orders#Transfer
04:00:36  <|Thorn|> Ok, told him that - thanks
04:06:18  <|Thorn|> ahh
04:06:23  <|Thorn|> and in comes the millions of pounds
04:06:25  <|Thorn|> ty
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07:03:20  <dih> morning
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08:56:13  <TiberiusTeng> planetmaker, here ?
08:57:00  <dih> he's connected to the bouncer... all i can tell ya :-P
08:57:28  <planetmaker> moin, he's here - sort of :)
08:57:54  <planetmaker> what's up, TiberiusTeng?
08:58:10  <TiberiusTeng> I'm tracing a bug possibly in IS patch
08:58:21  <planetmaker> uh... right. Please tell me :)
08:58:28  <TiberiusTeng> seems it triggered an assert() in GetTileOwner
08:58:50  <planetmaker> hm... Can you give me a savegame and crash log?
08:59:19  <TiberiusTeng> assert(!IsTileType(tile, MP_HOUSE));
08:59:42  <planetmaker> hm... but houses are not queried afaik in IS...
08:59:45  <TiberiusTeng> it's from someone who playing with my patchpack :~
09:00:02  <TiberiusTeng> so I wonder if it's useful or not -- it's attached at the last post of TibPP thread.
09:00:15  <planetmaker> ok, I'll have a look at :)
09:00:25  <TiberiusTeng> I'm still trying to figure out what kind of tile is it :P
09:01:03  <TiberiusTeng> hmm, wait, the TileIndex is out of bound :(
09:01:19  <planetmaker> IIRC though, isTileType(tile, ...) is queried for station types and track only
09:01:24  <planetmaker> eh...
09:01:30  <TiberiusTeng> SharedAirports is called with TileIndex 0 ... ouch.
09:01:37  <planetmaker> outch.
09:02:54  <TiberiusTeng> sorry, doesn't look like an IS bug after all ...
09:03:01  <planetmaker> np :)
09:03:29  <dih> TiberiusTeng: :-P
09:03:59  <planetmaker> better an alarme too much than passing a critical error :)
09:04:08  <TiberiusTeng> got a null pointer to a vehicle, that's bad
09:04:27  <planetmaker> he... the ghost vehicle. :P
09:04:43  <planetmaker> destroyed? Canceled built?
09:06:52  <TiberiusTeng> from a FOR_ALL_VEHICLES() loop calling v->Tick() ? No way :P
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09:13:59  <peter1138> nasty
09:16:08  <dih> ^^
09:16:08  <planetmaker> :P
09:17:22  <TiberiusTeng> now it's strange
09:17:32  <TiberiusTeng> there's a station with airport + bus station
09:17:49  <TiberiusTeng> but the station name plate is not on a station tile ................
09:17:59  <TiberiusTeng> and I can't find the bus station tile
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09:18:39  <dih> :D
09:18:44  <dih> the joys
09:21:20  <TiberiusTeng> I build a truck loading bay at the station name plate tile, and it worked .......................
09:22:00  <TiberiusTeng> now I wonder ... shouldn't the station name plate "move" with the station, if someone removes the station tile below it?
09:22:40  <Noldo> why would it need to?
09:25:11  <TiberiusTeng> to make owner checking, distance calcuations etc. work
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09:26:44  <Noldo> mmm
09:27:51  <Noldo> how is the owner check done?
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09:31:31  <TiberiusTeng> GetTileOwner()
09:32:22  <Noldo> can you give the filename where to find it too
09:32:28  <TiberiusTeng> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=37938&p=706057#p706057
09:32:39  <TiberiusTeng> use grep, man ...
09:33:06  <TiberiusTeng> the tile below station nameplate in the savegame is actually MP_HOUSE, that's scary ...
09:33:15  <Noldo> hg.openttd.org doesn't have it ;)
09:34:21  <TiberiusTeng> don't directly trace the code on hg.openttd.org, you'll not only slow yourself, but also slow everyone who wish to checkout/pull from it ;)
09:35:21  <Noldo> in addtion my grep skills are gone
09:35:23  <TiberiusTeng> so do a checkout, then use grep or Alt+F12 in Visual Studio to do this, it's much more easier ...
09:35:57  <dih> grep is fun ;-)
09:36:07  <Noldo> I'd rather ssh home and grep there
09:36:33  <dih> :-P
09:39:16  <Noldo> it tries to find station owner that way?
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09:44:16  <TiberiusTeng> yep, GetTileOwner() at the tile of station name plate
09:44:45  <TiberiusTeng> well, at the tile of 'the station', which happens to display station name plate as well ...
09:50:47  <Noldo> station struct contines Tile identity information which is used to display the name plate too?
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11:43:51  <dih> it has gotten very commit-quiet around here...
11:48:30  <Ammler> :-)
11:48:37  <Ammler> I know, why you would like one :-)
11:48:41  <Sacro> dih: get commiting then
11:48:55  <Ammler> but I guess, it lags at CIA
11:49:26  <Yorick> hmm, some patches aren't always synced
11:49:36  <Yorick> which causes a mass desync
11:49:45  <Yorick> the max_roadveh and max_ships
11:49:52  <Yorick> aren't synced to all players
11:49:58  <Yorick> only to the 2 newest
11:50:30  <dih> Sacro: what should i get, eh?
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11:50:40  <Ammler> we do that quite often, never recognized...
11:50:45  <Rubidium> Yorick: in that case it should happen to *all* patch settings
11:50:50  <Ammler> c<->g ?
11:51:05  <Yorick> Rubidium, dunno, but it happens to plane_speed too
11:51:15  <dih> what's that kid up to again?
11:51:39  <Yorick> dih: he found a mass desync after changing a patch setting on the server
11:51:43  <Yorick> that's what he did :)
11:51:43  <Rubidium> Yorick: what version are you using?
11:51:48  <Yorick> 0.6.1
11:53:15  <Rubidium> I see absolutely no reason why other clients wouldn't get the update
11:55:20  <Yorick> yet it does happen
11:55:56  <Yorick> I changed max_roadveh, I could build new roadvehicles, everyone else couldn't
11:56:16  <Yorick> I built one roadvehicle above the limit, and everyone desynced
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11:57:59  <ln> ok, so
11:58:05  <Yorick> but possibly it is the copy-paste patch the server is patched with...
11:58:19  <ln> is there a minimum number of unique town names a name generator should generate?
11:58:33  <dih> 07:58<Yorick> but possibly it is the copy-paste patch the server is patched with... <- you silly boy!
11:58:56  <Ammler> in
11:59:02  <Yorick> dih: shh..you've ignored me
11:59:03  <Ammler> ln: afaik 70
11:59:28  <Ammler> (if I get you right :-)
11:59:57  <ln> Ammler: is it known how many of the generators achieve that number?
12:00:40  <Rubidium> what more patches do the clients/servers have?
12:00:49  <dih> hehe
12:01:04  <dih> Rubidium: he probably is having issues on a wwottdgd build or something :-P
12:01:39  <Rubidium> Yorick: what more patches do the clients/servers have?
12:01:58  <Yorick> eh
12:02:42  <Yorick> admin control system
12:02:47  <Yorick> but nothing more
12:02:58  <Rubidium> and does that have a diff?
12:03:03  <Yorick> no
12:03:20  <ln> what would YOU think about this patch: http://users.utu.fi/lanurm/ottd/national_security.diff
12:03:21  <Yorick> but it doesn't change anything in patches
12:03:46  <Yorick> :-D
12:04:01  <dih> use printf and something else if on a windows system
12:04:08  <dih> (cannot remember what the function is called)
12:04:37  <dih> or das ShowOSErrorBox include 'printf' incase fun from a dedicated server?
12:05:51  <Ammler> ln: sorry, I was speaking about how big a list should be, if you like to make a "real name grf".
12:06:20  <Ammler> I have no idea, how those generators do function... :-)
12:06:29  <ln> dih: i'm counting on ShowOSErrorBox doing something sensible depending on the environment.
12:06:45  <dih> :-P
12:06:47  <Ammler> and since you can add town names with GRFs, it doesn't really matter :-)
12:07:06  <dih> ln: i was thinking of how ShowHelp in openttd.cpp does it
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12:07:44  <Ammler> ln: what ugly thing can you do, if you start openttd as root?
12:08:33  <ln> Ammler: who knows. i doubt the source code has ever been thoroughly auditioned from the security perspective.
12:08:57  <dih> i second that
12:09:06  <dih> alone the fact that you can cd and ls
12:09:15  <flowOver> like in windows?
12:09:23  <flowOver> where everything is ran as admin
12:09:24  <dih> do that with a dedicated server...
12:09:30  <dih> flowOver: YAY
12:09:32  <ln> the point is, OpenTTD doesn't need root priviledges for anything, and if a vulnerability is found, it'll be even more dangerous for those running as root.
12:10:36  <Ammler> but why should someone start a server as root?
12:10:54  <ln> Ammler: because some people prefer to do everything as root.
12:10:57  <Rubidium> ln: thenn why does Apache require root; it doesn't necessarily need it anyway
12:11:04  <Poopsmith> some people are silly if they do everything as root
12:11:20  <flowOver> aww -runs windows-
12:11:22  <ln> Rubidium: it needs root for binding to port 80, after which it drops the priviledges.
12:11:26  <Ammler> is there another app, which forbidds starting as root?
12:11:27  <flowOver> i'm silly
12:11:55  <ln> Rubidium: or are you saying that Apache requires root permissions even if you choose to run it on a port >1024?
12:11:55  <Rubidium> ln: but  can redirect 80 to 1080 and then apache doesn't need root
12:12:21  <dih> Rubidium: if the port is > 1024 it does not require root
12:12:29  <dih> yes
12:12:30  <dih> sorry
12:12:36  <dih> slow reading some stuff today :-P
12:12:56  <ln> ok, so is there a need to run OTTD on ports <= 1024 on *nix platforms?
12:13:08  <Rubidium> dih: my whole *point* is that you could argue that apache should enforce it not being started as root when port > 1024
12:13:18  <dih> :-P
12:13:34  <dih> but apache changes to another user/group after that process
12:13:37  <dih> openttd does not
12:13:48  <ln> Rubidium: that's a bit different, because Apache _starts_ as root, but effectively _runs_ as a normal user.
12:14:02  <dih> 08:03<Yorick> but... <- no but! run with clean trunk, then come back! :-P
12:14:18  <ln> while OpenTTD does not attempt to drop the root priviledges it may have, afaik.
12:14:36  <Rubidium> drop to what?
12:14:38  <Yorick> dih: on clean trunk I don't have 11 clients all over the world
12:15:00  <Yorick> ln: doesn't appache fire multiple selfs?
12:15:07  <Yorick> apache*
12:15:25  <Rubidium> Yorick: no, you got lots of clients with unknown patched binaries, which makes it even worse
12:16:01  <Ammler> Yorick: we have it quite often at coop...
12:16:07  <Rubidium> seriously... a patch setting only updated on 2! of the clients and not the others means that some binaries differ from other binaries
12:16:17  <ln> Rubidium: drop to a non-root user specified in a config file, for example.
12:16:27  <Yorick> Ammler, tell rubidium :)
12:16:46  <Ammler> but never realized that desync :-)
12:16:58  <dih> i spy with my little eye ^
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12:17:34  <Rubidium> ln: if someone wants to run as root, they should be able to do so, even if it is stupid
12:18:00  <Rubidium> or should we stop starting OpenTTD if you don't have the latest security "updates" installed?
12:18:05  <dih> 14:16 <@Rubidium> seriously... a patch setting only updated on 2! of the clients and not the others means that some binaries differ from other binaries <-- should not be too hard to test with clean versions
12:18:10  <MorgyN> why would someone run openttd on a port <1024 =/
12:18:19  <Yorick> dih: I can't reproduce the problem
12:18:25  <Rubidium> because their ISP only allows port 80?
12:18:36  <dih> perhaps they hope it has a neat webserver integrated to show the game details on a website :-P
12:18:46  <MorgyN> only? but won't that be tcp only then, not udp
12:18:52  <Yorick> but ammler got it quite often, and he runs clean trunk
12:19:14  <ln> Rubidium: ok, here's a patch for you: http://users.utu.fi/lanurm/ottd/national_insecurity.diff  (feel free to commit)
12:19:35  <Yorick> bleh
12:19:35  <Ammler> Yorick: you missunderstood
12:20:15  <Ammler> I meant, we have many time many or even max visitors on our ps, but never realized a desync because of changing the max vehicles.
12:20:19  <Ammler> patch
12:20:39  <Rubidium> ln: what sense in the world does that patch make besides making people angry because OTTD doesn't start?
12:20:53  <Yorick> no, but you have unsynced patches?
12:21:01  <Rubidium> those stupid people are going to start something else that is equally or even more stupid
12:21:22  <ln> Rubidium: well anyway, if someone wants to run as root, he can comment out the lines and proceed.
12:21:49  <Rubidium> so the effect is annoying stupid people
12:21:51  <dih> if openttd supported --long-options you could have a flat --force-root
12:21:56  <dih> *flag
12:22:16  <Yorick> Rubidium: hmm, I also have the invisibility gui cherrypicked
12:22:18  <dih> Rubidium: rather have the game annoy stupid people, than stupid people annoy you
12:22:22  * dih looks at Yorick
12:22:39  * Yorick looks away
12:24:29  <Rubidium> Yorick: yes, that one looks broken
12:25:06  <Yorick> ?
12:25:32  <Rubidium> that one will cause your mentioned desync
12:25:52  <Yorick> well it only changes gui patches...
12:26:12  <Yorick> possibly I should keep the invisible trees patch there?
12:26:21  <Yorick> unused?
12:26:55  <Yorick> but why didn't it affect everyone then?
12:27:05  <dih> one would assume people get why one does not file bug reports for patched versions
12:27:12  <Rubidium> because the patch indices got totally screwed up
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12:29:39  <Yorick> afaik the invisible trees patch isn't saved with the save
12:30:03  <Rubidium> so?
12:30:25  <Rubidium> does it change the index of max_trains in the patch array?
12:31:25  <Yorick> there you got a point
12:31:28  <Yorick> :)
12:32:04  * Yorick thanks rubishium :)
12:32:57  <dih> actually this was kinda amusing...
12:33:26  <ln> Rubidium: 14:58 < ln> is there a minimum number of unique town names a name generator should generate?
12:33:39  <Rubidium> 1
12:34:20  <Rubidium> creating the other few hundred to thousands towns will go dead and dead slow after the first town
12:34:30  <Ammler> :-)
12:34:48  <Yorick> one should filter "sadhattan" out of it
12:35:07  <Ammler> Yorick: NewGRF!
12:35:16  <Yorick> sad
12:35:51  <Ammler> Yorick: dear patcher, I would like a GRF, which copies the names from NewGRF to the map. (save)
12:36:03  <Ammler> !s/GRF/patch/
12:36:07  <Yorick> ask santa
12:36:25  * Yorick forwards Ammler's letter to santa
12:37:12  <Ammler> I guess, you could patch it better then him, he has already to handle the list about you. :-P
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12:47:39  <Belugas> hello
12:48:41  <dih> :-)
12:48:47  <Yorick> # is it me you're looking for
12:49:08  * dih waves hello with his ignore list :-P
12:49:13  <Yorick> # I can see it in your eyes
12:49:20  <Yorick> # I can see it in your smile
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12:57:52  <nairan> could it be CIA dont work?
12:58:35  <ln> '
12:58:36  <Belugas> why asking that nairan?
12:58:57  <Yorick> the commit silence
12:59:23  <nairan> umm k.
12:59:31  <Yorick> but it does work
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13:00:33  <Belugas> let say, nairan, that there is very little that do get commited since real life is involved :)
13:00:58  <dih> :-P
13:01:06  <Belugas> plus, my stuff is not available yet, as i still fail on a major problem.
13:01:19  <dih> so less commits = good and healthy devers life
13:01:26  <dih> more commits = life is shite
13:01:29  <dih> :-P
13:02:41  <Belugas> if only it was diver life instead of dever :S
13:02:52  <dih> :-P
13:03:12  <dih> devers live = the developers life
13:04:35  <Belugas> i know, dih, i know...
13:06:13  <ln> '
13:06:55  <dih> ,
13:15:49  <nairan> nah just wondered if cia is broke.
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13:16:04  <nairan> i dont wanna damage your health devs
13:16:13  <nairan> you already did a great job.
13:16:17  <dih> nearly every user does :-P
13:16:28  <dih> emphasis on _user_
13:16:28  <ln> do you think cia drank his money, or what?
13:16:47  <ln> or gambled?
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13:17:17  <Yorick> dih: your move patch doesn't check if the company really exitst, so I got half the money available to spend on a nonexistent company :)
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13:41:16  <ln> http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/myl/TranslateServerError.jpg
13:42:01  <Yorick> :D
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13:51:03  <Eddi|zuHause2> lmao :p
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14:14:39  <Eddi|zuHause2>  <ln> is there a minimum number of unique town names a name generator should generate? <- 2048^2 map and very many towns should be around 2000-3000 towns
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14:17:46  <peter1138> heh
14:18:40  <MorgyN> 2000 towns? damn
14:21:56  <Belugas> certification performed.  now, the joy of annotating all the  86 slips
14:21:58  <Belugas> fun fun fun
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14:26:32  <Yexo> Rubidium: only now I see commit 13664, fixing fs#2117. But that fs bug was closed because it was a duplicate of http://bugs.openttd.org/task/1976, so that one can be closed as well
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14:30:32  <Belugas> Yexo, 100% sure?  no doubts?
14:31:07  <Yexo> 2117 was closed as duplicate, so if 2117 is fixed, 1976 should be fixed as well
14:31:15  <Yexo> and the bug descriptions match
14:32:06  <Belugas> done
14:32:10  <Belugas> youhou
14:32:13  <Belugas> less a bug entry
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14:33:00  <Yexo> only 47 to go :p
14:33:08  <Eddi|zuHause2> save the bugs!
14:33:21  <Eddi|zuHause2> they are a vital part of nature
14:34:00  * Belugas sends all bugs he can find to Eddi|zuHause2
14:36:21  <Eddi|zuHause2> well, you can assure a vivid population of bugs by commiting yapp :p
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14:39:37  <dih> Eddi|zuHause2: lol
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15:52:57  <Belugas> DONE!!!
15:53:02  <Belugas> Send the results now
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15:54:00  <dih> YAY
15:54:04  <dih> Belugas: go go go!
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17:15:21  <Wolf01> hello
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17:38:08  <Touqen> olleh
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18:00:49  <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r13673 /trunk/src/openttd.cpp: -Fix [FS#2122]: desync when building electrified trains on a dedicated server that was started with electrification disabled.
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18:25:37  <gwenael> hello
18:26:18  <Belugas> hello gwenael
18:27:35  <gwenael> i find a bug in openttd but i don't find the report it in the flyspray ...
18:28:14  <Yexo> gwenael: use "Add new task"
18:28:23  <gwenael> Air incomes are not counted
18:28:43  <Yexo> you are not using transfer orders accidentally?
18:28:53  <gwenael> but
18:28:56  <gwenael> but the charges, yes
18:29:33  <gwenael> uhuh, it's transfer orders...
18:29:36  <Yexo> you don't get money for transfers, you get the money for the final delivery of the goods
18:29:49  <gwenael> okiii
18:30:15  <Yexo> see http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Orders#Transfer
18:30:39  <gwenael> Yexo: thx :)
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18:35:35  <xahodo> Hello, how can I tell whether a savegame is broken (other then openttd crasing on me)?
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18:35:57  <tkz> anyone about who can sort out an annoying signal issue?
18:36:54  <Yexo> what signal issue do you have?
18:37:00  <tkz> Well
18:37:06  <tkz> I can't get the semaphores I want
18:37:16  <tkz> and I can't for the life of me work out what Grf is changing it
18:37:18  <Yexo> xahodo: post it somewhere on the internet so others can have a look at it
18:37:29  <Yexo> tkz: what version are you using?
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18:37:39  <tkz> Russian Patch Pack 1.2 - r13437
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18:38:08  <Yexo> what kind of semaphores do you want to build?
18:38:16  <Yexo> and what ones can you build?
18:38:19  <tkz> I can build all
18:38:27  <tkz> it's just they graphic isn't one I want
18:38:36  <Eddi|zuHause2> type of semaphores depends on road traffic side and the patch setting "signals on road traffic side"
18:38:54  <tkz> yeah, I thought that - I set it to Drive on the Left as I'm British
18:38:59  <tkz> but it doesn't seem to have changed
18:39:18  <tkz> I think I still have the Euro or other semaphore
18:39:58  <Eddi|zuHause2> changed road side after creating the game?
18:40:19  <tkz> created a new game
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18:42:55  <Ammler> isn't there a patch wich doesn't support left side driving?
18:46:30  <Eddi|zuHause2> what kind of patch do you mean?
18:47:07  <xahodo> Well, here's the link to the savegame in question: http://depositfiles.com/files/6372929
18:49:11  <xahodo> Problem occurs when scrolling to somewhere around Treewood, New grondworth falls and Winningworth (when the savegame is active?)
18:49:24  <xahodo> *active = unpaused
18:50:13  <Eddi|zuHause2> xahodo: if it is from an official build, post it to bugs.openttd.org
18:50:28  <Eddi|zuHause2> if it is from a patched build, bad luck
18:51:49  <xahodo> It's from an unpatched nightly.
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18:52:36  <xahodo> And I'm not sure whether it's openttd or the save, no assertion just a crashing app.
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18:54:37  <Rubidium> xahodo: have you compiled the binary yourself?
18:54:51  <xahodo> No.
18:55:09  <xahodo> Just got it and put it in the usual place.
18:55:15  <xahodo> want a crashdump from windows?
18:55:16  <Yorick> got it where?
18:55:35  <xahodo> From the openttd homepage.
18:55:46  <xahodo> errr...
18:55:50  <Rubidium> have you used autoreplace?
18:57:25  <xahodo> yes, we have used autoreplace, but it should not be active atm.
18:59:47  <Rubidium> sounds like autoreplace might have trashed some internal information
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19:00:15  <Rubidium> anyhow, I can't be bothered to wait several minutes before I'm allowed to download your savegame
19:01:09  <Yexo> Rubidium: try http://www.student.tue.nl/V/t.i.marinussen/game.sav
19:01:13  <xahodo> omg :S
19:01:34  <Yexo> openttd crashes here too btw, even when the game is still in pause mode
19:03:08  <xahodo> Should find some place decent to dump my files...
19:03:30  <Yexo> xahodo: the link I posted is a copy of your file :)
19:04:00  <Ammler> xahodo: use tt-forums or http://senduit.com
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19:05:28  <xahodo> Here's the crash report I've got: http://senduit.com/b97634
19:06:37  <Eddi|zuHause2> OR post them to the bug tracker like i told you...
19:07:39  <Ammler> I guess, you have just missing GRFs
19:07:50  <Ammler> it runs quite well here
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19:09:23  <Ammler> possible, you are using other version of ISR?
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19:10:01  <xahodo> Check in the area west from Treewood Central and Northwest in Peninghall Vally, it should crash around there somewhere.
19:10:36  <xahodo> ISR = Industrial Station Renewal?
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19:11:43  <Ammler> xahodo: yes
19:11:49  <Ammler> and it doesn't :-)
19:12:36  <xahodo> grf versions all seem to be fine.
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19:12:46  <Ammler> no orange?
19:14:21  <Yexo> strange, I just compiled a debug build and now it no longer crashes
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19:15:38  <Yorick> :-D
19:15:50  <Rubidium> seems like the savegame crashes on a broken sprite or so
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19:17:17  <Ammler> Yexo: that sounds familiar in last time.
19:18:14  <xahodo> Well, the dutch station set has some orange below the overpass... but that looks normal.
19:18:53  <Eddi|zuHause2> he meant an orange icon before the grf name ;)
19:19:07  <Ammler> xahodo: I meant in the GRF GUI, orange means other version of same GRF
19:19:24  <Ammler> the little square beside the name.
19:19:26  <xahodo> None
19:19:30  <Eddi|zuHause2> meaning "you do not have the exact same GRF, loaded other GRF with same ID"
19:19:31  <xahodo> all green
19:19:53  <Ammler> how do I see, if I have a debug build?
19:20:51  <Eddi|zuHause2> # mmm mmm mmm mmm mmm mmm mmm mmm
19:20:53  <Eddi|zuHause2> # mmm mmm mmm mmm mmm mmm mmm mmm
19:21:06  <Eddi|zuHause2> # aaaa aaaaaa aaaaaaa ahhaa
19:21:12  * Prof_Frink teaches Eddi|zuHause2 the words
19:21:35  <Eddi|zuHause2> welll that technically _is_ the text of the song ;)
19:21:59  <Prof_Frink> #
19:22:00  <Prof_Frink> #
19:22:01  <Prof_Frink> #
19:22:11  <Prof_Frink> (It's an instrumental)
19:22:19  <Eddi|zuHause2> we know that you can't sing :p
19:22:19  <xahodo> coffee break, brb
19:22:25  <Yexo> Ammler: not sure how you see that from the binary (except for the size)
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19:22:51  <Yexo> but you need to configure with --enable-debug=1 (or higher) to have debugging symbols for gdb
19:23:25  <Ammler> 3 mb is without
19:23:30  <Ammler> 4 is with?
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19:24:53  <Ammler> then I can run that save with trunk without debug.
19:25:12  <Yexo> not sure, my binary is 39mb
19:25:27  <Ammler> :-o
19:25:39  <Ammler> depense on debug level?
19:25:39  <Eddi|zuHause2> debug builds tend to be significantly bigger ;)
19:26:20  <Yexo> don't think it matters much if you compile with --enable-debug=1 or with =2
19:26:25  * Prof_Frink makes a rebugger
19:26:58  <Yexo> what does that do? Reintroduce fixed bugs?
19:26:59  <Prof_Frink> Takes source code, grabs random bits from old svn commits, applies and compiles
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19:35:26  <pugboy> Hello?
19:36:41  <Rubidium> xahodo: could you make a bugreport with that savegame?
19:37:18  <pugboy> Is there a specific place to get 32bpp tar files, or are they scattered?
19:37:29  <xahodo> Rubidium: sure
19:37:46  <pugboy> I can't seem t find one on the wiki
19:40:03  <Yexo> the wiki main page links here: http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/List_of_downloadable_32bpp_tars
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19:41:15  <pugboy> Ok, thanks
19:41:28  <Yexo> also see http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Playing_with_32bpp_graphics
19:41:39  <pugboy> However, OpenTTD did not create a .cfg file, so I can't enable the blitter :/
19:41:52  <Yexo> openttd does always create a .cfg file
19:42:06  <Yexo> it just didn't create it in the directory where you expected it
19:42:09  <pugboy> Funny...
19:42:12  <pugboy> Great
19:42:17  <Yexo> Have you tried My Documents/openttd ?
19:42:28  <pugboy> There it is :)
19:44:28  * Belugas sends tons of applauds to Yexo, who is doing a fine job of helping new comers :)
19:44:50  <pugboy> I agree :)
19:45:04  <Yexo> thx Belugas. Posting wiki links all the times seems to work fine :)
19:45:09  <pugboy> I don't see a "blitter=" line in the config file though...
19:45:41  <Yorick> [misc]
19:45:54  <pugboy> Right, I should actually read the wiki :D
19:46:14  <Belugas> hehe... the message has been received ;)
19:46:41  <xahodo> http://bugs.openttd.org/2127
19:48:37  <xahodo> oh, one more detail: if it crashes using SDL windows produces no crashlog (at least the crash popup doesn't appear), but when GDI is used it does.
19:49:07  <Yexo> you should add that to the bug report
19:49:21  <HMage> xahodo: look out for stdout.txt and similar
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19:51:28  <xahodo> HMage: where can I find those on windows?
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19:54:50  <xahodo> done
19:55:17  <Belugas> i guess i should remove my comment...
19:55:53  <frosch123> segmentation fault on linux
19:57:13  <HMage> xahodo: it's not windows specific, it's SDL-specific. These files should be in OpenTTD directory.
19:57:27  <HMage> SDL reroutes console output there -- stdout.txt and stderr.txt
19:58:48  <xahodo> Those files don't happen to be hidden, do they?
19:59:08  <HMage> they shouldn't. If they're not there then don't bother.
19:59:24  <xahodo> Sorry, no
19:59:52  <HMage> I'm not dev, just trying to help you a little bit
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20:09:17  <Wolf01> 'night
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20:24:46  <glx> [21:48:37] <xahodo> oh, one more detail: if it crashes using SDL windows produces no crashlog (at least the crash popup doesn't appear), but when GDI is used it does. <-- crash.log is only for MSVC release builds
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20:30:05  <Mirrakor> Hm.. I've got two airplanes which can land on a airport, but they don't unload passengers nor mail (on the next airport they fly to, they can) - Has this something to do with the size of the airport?
20:31:42  <glx> does the airport accepts them?
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20:35:54  <peter1138> ordered the aircraft to stop at the hangar?
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20:38:46  <Belugas> night all, /me goes to rest
20:41:01  <Mirrakor> peter1138: maybe not..
20:42:25  <Mirrakor> glx: no, the airport accepts nothing, that's weird - why is that so? Can't I drop them of to a bus station?
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21:27:17  <Eddi|zuHause2> <Mirrakor> Can't I drop them of to a bus station? <- no, that requires passenger destionations
21:27:33  <Eddi|zuHause2> and ... that won't happen any time soon
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