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00:00:18 <dih> you mean printf does not work on windows? 00:00:44 <glx> it prints in the application console 00:01:27 <glx> only if the application opened it 00:02:01 <dih> dont you just hate windows -P 00:02:13 <dih> and dont you just hate it if your smily lacks a few eyes 00:02:39 <glx> I don't know why they did it that way 00:02:52 <dih> is there no way of sending text to the command line? 00:03:00 *** bruce89 [~bruce89@85-210-103-142.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #openttd 00:03:27 <glx> not without being a console app 00:03:41 <dih> gnah 00:04:11 <dih> but it would be possible if openttd.exe was run from the cmd? 00:04:25 <glx> you can't detect that 00:04:34 <dih> you can read my mind :-P 00:04:50 <dih> what happens if i printf without it being a console app? 00:04:55 <glx> and the console/non-console thing is a byte in PE header 00:05:10 <glx> nothing happens 00:05:27 <dih> then that is fine, is it not? 00:07:36 <dih> as if it did display to the console, and it was not run from the console, the console would close that quickely, that one could not read it anyway :-P 00:07:40 <dih> http://paste.openttd.org/25434 00:09:35 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a41648.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:10:36 *** Denyerec [~Never@cpc1-shep4-0-0-cust61.lei3.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.denyerec.co.uk] 00:10:50 <glx> I don't see a real need for it as you can parse openttd -h output 00:15:41 *** bruce89 [~bruce89@85-210-103-142.dsl.pipex.com] has left #openttd [] 00:16:26 <glx> openttd.exe -h 2>&1 | awk '/OpenTTD/ { print ; }' 00:16:32 <glx> same effect 00:16:34 <Ammler> ./openttd -h | grep OpenTTD | cut -b 9- 00:16:56 <dih> glx: ok ;-) 00:17:04 <dih> Yexo, there you have it :-P 00:17:38 <glx> Ammler: yours miss 2>&1 ;) 00:18:03 <Ammler> oh, Yexo is porting autostart to windows 00:18:18 <glx> autostart? 00:18:48 <Ammler> a tool we use for autoupdate/join the server 00:19:12 <Ammler> http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/Autostart 00:20:05 <glx> it should already work on windows, but it needs convert.exe 00:20:19 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-29-232.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:20:35 <glx> maybe I should add options to convert.exe so it doesn't toggle console/window mode 00:21:35 <Ammler> why not running openttd as console app anyway? 00:22:00 <glx> because you then always have 2 windows open 00:22:40 <glx> debug build and openttd -d "acts" like a console app without being a console app 00:23:11 <glx> a console app always open a console window if not started from cmd 00:24:30 <Ammler> well then, indeed bad. 00:25:01 <Ammler> this will also happen, if you start it from mingw? 00:25:15 <glx> yes 00:25:43 <glx> well if it's a console app started from bash it won't open a console 00:26:20 <Ammler> and if it no console app, the output won't go to the console. 00:26:35 <glx> it will open a console window 00:26:53 <Ammler> a debug console? 00:27:16 <glx> hmm sometimes it just segfault ;) 00:29:07 <glx> ok when started from sh it doesn't open a console window 00:29:25 <glx> but it segfault if stdout and stderr are not redirected 00:31:14 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 00:32:01 <Ammler> just tried in VM XP 00:32:15 <Ammler> with ./openttd.exe -d 00:32:23 <Ammler> works like in linux 00:32:28 <glx> in bash? 00:33:08 <Ammler> yes 00:33:10 <Ammler> mingw 00:33:18 <glx> debug or release build? 00:33:24 <Ammler> hmm 00:33:34 <dih> release build with -d ? :-P 00:33:37 <Ammler> bottd newgrf_port branach 00:33:58 <Ammler> how does bottd compile? 00:34:11 <glx> release I think 00:34:18 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B75E7B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:35:17 <glx> release build works but segfault with -d 00:35:25 <glx> debug build always segfault 00:35:40 <Ammler> hmm, not here 00:35:52 <Ammler> well, didn't try with trunk 00:36:09 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has quit [] 00:40:46 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B75874.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:45:30 <dih> night 00:50:51 *** grumbel [~grumbel@i577B93B9.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 00:51:09 <Ammler> night dih 00:51:13 <Ammler> glx: http://img11.myimg.de/mingwdebugfdfd9.png 01:02:55 *** PhoenixII [ralph@216.131.102.193] has joined #openttd 01:09:09 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: belugas * r13672 /trunk/src/toolbar_gui.cpp: -Fix(r13670): silent warnings that MSVC did not raised. Looks like enums can not be easily matched :( 01:10:15 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:18:08 *** De_Ghosty [~s@CPE001d7e66291b-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 01:25:04 <ccfreak2k> Why Sun xVM? 01:26:49 *** Digitalfox [~Digitalfo@bl7-185-239.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 01:43:05 *** Poopsmith [~Poopsmith@117.206.55.210.dynamic.snap.net.nz] has joined #openttd 01:46:44 *** UFO64 [~UFO64@cpe-24-31-128-172.maine.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 02:01:01 <Belugas> ccfreak2k ? 02:04:55 *** UFO64 [~UFO64@cpe-24-31-128-172.maine.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:10:12 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 02:11:04 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 02:17:45 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Night All.] 02:52:42 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:13:12 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 03:19:56 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:20:34 *** PhoenixII [ralph@216.131.102.193] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:25:13 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 03:26:22 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:26:22 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 03:38:11 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 03:39:27 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:39:27 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 03:52:50 *** |Thorn| [~kvirc@78-32-118-126.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #openttd 03:52:55 <|Thorn|> Hey - weird thing here 03:53:01 <|Thorn|> What does it mean if 03:53:14 <|Thorn|> When a plane/train etc reaches it's destination and unloads 03:53:25 <|Thorn|> The little floating money numbers are in yellow 03:53:29 <|Thorn|> And the profit is not counted at all? 03:57:04 <|Thorn|> losing all the money because of it -.- 03:59:46 <Yexo> you're using the tranfer option 04:00:11 <Yexo> don't use transfer as long as you don't understand what it does 04:00:34 <Yexo> see http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Orders#Transfer 04:00:36 <|Thorn|> Ok, told him that - thanks 04:06:18 <|Thorn|> ahh 04:06:23 <|Thorn|> and in comes the millions of pounds 04:06:25 <|Thorn|> ty 04:09:46 *** grumbel [~grumbel@i577B973E.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 04:15:03 *** Osai`off is now known as Osai 04:16:06 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 04:18:01 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [] 04:18:14 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 04:19:34 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:25:55 *** michi_cc [1b7a05d0a2@dude.icosahedron.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:31:44 *** michi_cc [8364782e93@dude.icosahedron.de] has joined #openttd 04:31:47 *** mode/#openttd [+v michi_cc] by ChanServ 04:41:12 *** SirBob [~chatzilla@c122-107-227-146.eburwd5.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 05:03:26 *** Rexxie [~rexxars@62.113.134.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:46:36 *** Osai is now known as Osai`off 05:47:49 *** dlunch [~dlunch@61.108.29.49] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:51:17 *** einKarl [~einKarl@91-65-234-54-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 06:08:21 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:08:51 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 06:29:06 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:30:17 *** _Thorn_ [~kvirc@78-32-118-126.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #openttd 06:30:47 *** d-st [~s@g221.ip7.netikka.fi] has joined #openttd 06:30:48 *** |Thorn| [~kvirc@78-32-118-126.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:36:56 *** einKarl [~einKarl@91-65-234-54-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:37:02 *** selle [~s@g221.ip7.netikka.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:45:17 *** Rexxie [~rexxars@62.113.134.101] has joined #openttd 06:49:19 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F57BC2.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 07:03:20 <dih> morning 07:03:43 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host81-153-31-71.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:13:30 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 07:42:30 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl5402B32D.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 07:44:21 *** elmex [~elmex@e180066165.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 07:47:29 *** TiberiusTeng [~Tiberius@sbt.idv.tw] has joined #openttd 07:54:11 *** TiberiusTeng [~Tiberius@sbt.idv.tw] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:00:13 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-36.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 08:11:15 *** TiberiusTeng [~Tiberius@sbt.idv.tw] has joined #openttd 08:13:05 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 08:15:34 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 08:18:33 *** flowOver [~J@S01060016e65abad7.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 08:31:49 *** wgrant [~wgrant@c122-108-27-22.eburwd9.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:54:37 *** grumbel [~grumbel@i577B973E.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 08:56:13 <TiberiusTeng> planetmaker, here ? 08:57:00 <dih> he's connected to the bouncer... all i can tell ya :-P 08:57:28 <planetmaker> moin, he's here - sort of :) 08:57:54 <planetmaker> what's up, TiberiusTeng? 08:58:10 <TiberiusTeng> I'm tracing a bug possibly in IS patch 08:58:21 <planetmaker> uh... right. Please tell me :) 08:58:28 <TiberiusTeng> seems it triggered an assert() in GetTileOwner 08:58:50 <planetmaker> hm... Can you give me a savegame and crash log? 08:59:19 <TiberiusTeng> assert(!IsTileType(tile, MP_HOUSE)); 08:59:42 <planetmaker> hm... but houses are not queried afaik in IS... 08:59:45 <TiberiusTeng> it's from someone who playing with my patchpack :~ 09:00:02 <TiberiusTeng> so I wonder if it's useful or not -- it's attached at the last post of TibPP thread. 09:00:15 <planetmaker> ok, I'll have a look at :) 09:00:25 <TiberiusTeng> I'm still trying to figure out what kind of tile is it :P 09:01:03 <TiberiusTeng> hmm, wait, the TileIndex is out of bound :( 09:01:19 <planetmaker> IIRC though, isTileType(tile, ...) is queried for station types and track only 09:01:24 <planetmaker> eh... 09:01:30 <TiberiusTeng> SharedAirports is called with TileIndex 0 ... ouch. 09:01:37 <planetmaker> outch. 09:02:54 <TiberiusTeng> sorry, doesn't look like an IS bug after all ... 09:03:01 <planetmaker> np :) 09:03:29 <dih> TiberiusTeng: :-P 09:03:59 <planetmaker> better an alarme too much than passing a critical error :) 09:04:08 <TiberiusTeng> got a null pointer to a vehicle, that's bad 09:04:27 <planetmaker> he... the ghost vehicle. :P 09:04:43 <planetmaker> destroyed? Canceled built? 09:06:52 <TiberiusTeng> from a FOR_ALL_VEHICLES() loop calling v->Tick() ? No way :P 09:08:39 *** Doorslammer|BRSet [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-213.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #openttd 09:10:59 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5B11D5FA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:13:59 <peter1138> nasty 09:16:08 <dih> ^^ 09:16:08 <planetmaker> :P 09:17:22 <TiberiusTeng> now it's strange 09:17:32 <TiberiusTeng> there's a station with airport + bus station 09:17:49 <TiberiusTeng> but the station name plate is not on a station tile ................ 09:17:59 <TiberiusTeng> and I can't find the bus station tile 09:18:27 *** curson [~curzon@79-68-26-161.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 09:18:39 <dih> :D 09:18:44 <dih> the joys 09:21:20 <TiberiusTeng> I build a truck loading bay at the station name plate tile, and it worked ....................... 09:22:00 <TiberiusTeng> now I wonder ... shouldn't the station name plate "move" with the station, if someone removes the station tile below it? 09:22:40 <Noldo> why would it need to? 09:25:11 <TiberiusTeng> to make owner checking, distance calcuations etc. work 09:25:46 *** dlunch [~dlunch@61.108.29.49] has joined #openttd 09:26:44 <Noldo> mmm 09:27:51 <Noldo> how is the owner check done? 09:29:24 *** wgrant [~wgrant@c122-108-27-22.eburwd9.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 09:30:36 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.231.53] has joined #openttd 09:31:31 <TiberiusTeng> GetTileOwner() 09:32:22 <Noldo> can you give the filename where to find it too 09:32:28 <TiberiusTeng> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=37938&p=706057#p706057 09:32:39 <TiberiusTeng> use grep, man ... 09:33:06 <TiberiusTeng> the tile below station nameplate in the savegame is actually MP_HOUSE, that's scary ... 09:33:15 <Noldo> hg.openttd.org doesn't have it ;) 09:34:21 <TiberiusTeng> don't directly trace the code on hg.openttd.org, you'll not only slow yourself, but also slow everyone who wish to checkout/pull from it ;) 09:35:21 <Noldo> in addtion my grep skills are gone 09:35:23 <TiberiusTeng> so do a checkout, then use grep or Alt+F12 in Visual Studio to do this, it's much more easier ... 09:35:57 <dih> grep is fun ;-) 09:36:07 <Noldo> I'd rather ssh home and grep there 09:36:33 <dih> :-P 09:39:16 <Noldo> it tries to find station owner that way? 09:42:13 *** shodan [user@ppp101-219.static.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 09:44:16 <TiberiusTeng> yep, GetTileOwner() at the tile of station name plate 09:44:45 <TiberiusTeng> well, at the tile of 'the station', which happens to display station name plate as well ... 09:50:47 <Noldo> station struct contines Tile identity information which is used to display the name plate too? 09:51:06 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@adsl-58.35.Static.ssp.fi] has joined #openttd 09:54:47 *** HaloMaster [~osiris@122-49-151-202.ip.adam.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:57:56 *** jni [~geetee@cs181040004.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:07:16 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:15:04 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 10:15:04 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:15:05 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 10:15:41 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:20:26 *** ln-_ [~lanurm@castor.utu.fi] has joined #openttd 10:22:06 *** ln-_ is now known as ln 10:22:26 *** ln- [~lanurm@castor.utu.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:24:37 *** HMage [U2FsdGVkX1@vixen.shadowpanther.ru] has joined #openttd 10:29:16 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@adsl-58.35.Static.ssp.fi] has quit [] 10:31:00 *** Yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 10:35:02 *** Tom0004 [~Tom@92.0.33.220] has joined #openttd 10:38:15 *** Tom0004 [~Tom@92.0.33.220] has left #openttd [] 11:01:53 *** jni [~geetee@cs181040004.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 11:43:51 <dih> it has gotten very commit-quiet around here... 11:48:30 <Ammler> :-) 11:48:37 <Ammler> I know, why you would like one :-) 11:48:41 <Sacro> dih: get commiting then 11:48:55 <Ammler> but I guess, it lags at CIA 11:49:26 <Yorick> hmm, some patches aren't always synced 11:49:36 <Yorick> which causes a mass desync 11:49:45 <Yorick> the max_roadveh and max_ships 11:49:52 <Yorick> aren't synced to all players 11:49:58 <Yorick> only to the 2 newest 11:50:30 <dih> Sacro: what should i get, eh? 11:50:34 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 11:50:40 <Ammler> we do that quite often, never recognized... 11:50:45 <Rubidium> Yorick: in that case it should happen to *all* patch settings 11:50:50 <Ammler> c<->g ? 11:51:05 <Yorick> Rubidium, dunno, but it happens to plane_speed too 11:51:15 <dih> what's that kid up to again? 11:51:39 <Yorick> dih: he found a mass desync after changing a patch setting on the server 11:51:43 <Yorick> that's what he did :) 11:51:43 <Rubidium> Yorick: what version are you using? 11:51:48 <Yorick> 0.6.1 11:53:15 <Rubidium> I see absolutely no reason why other clients wouldn't get the update 11:55:20 <Yorick> yet it does happen 11:55:56 <Yorick> I changed max_roadveh, I could build new roadvehicles, everyone else couldn't 11:56:16 <Yorick> I built one roadvehicle above the limit, and everyone desynced 11:57:54 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 11:57:54 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:57:56 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 11:57:59 <ln> ok, so 11:58:05 <Yorick> but possibly it is the copy-paste patch the server is patched with... 11:58:19 <ln> is there a minimum number of unique town names a name generator should generate? 11:58:33 <dih> 07:58<Yorick> but possibly it is the copy-paste patch the server is patched with... <- you silly boy! 11:58:56 <Ammler> in 11:59:02 <Yorick> dih: shh..you've ignored me 11:59:03 <Ammler> ln: afaik 70 11:59:28 <Ammler> (if I get you right :-) 11:59:57 <ln> Ammler: is it known how many of the generators achieve that number? 12:00:40 <Rubidium> what more patches do the clients/servers have? 12:00:49 <dih> hehe 12:01:04 <dih> Rubidium: he probably is having issues on a wwottdgd build or something :-P 12:01:39 <Rubidium> Yorick: what more patches do the clients/servers have? 12:01:58 <Yorick> eh 12:02:42 <Yorick> admin control system 12:02:47 <Yorick> but nothing more 12:02:58 <Rubidium> and does that have a diff? 12:03:03 <Yorick> no 12:03:20 <ln> what would YOU think about this patch: http://users.utu.fi/lanurm/ottd/national_security.diff 12:03:21 <Yorick> but it doesn't change anything in patches 12:03:46 <Yorick> :-D 12:04:01 <dih> use printf and something else if on a windows system 12:04:08 <dih> (cannot remember what the function is called) 12:04:37 <dih> or das ShowOSErrorBox include 'printf' incase fun from a dedicated server? 12:05:51 <Ammler> ln: sorry, I was speaking about how big a list should be, if you like to make a "real name grf". 12:06:20 <Ammler> I have no idea, how those generators do function... :-) 12:06:29 <ln> dih: i'm counting on ShowOSErrorBox doing something sensible depending on the environment. 12:06:45 <dih> :-P 12:06:47 <Ammler> and since you can add town names with GRFs, it doesn't really matter :-) 12:07:06 <dih> ln: i was thinking of how ShowHelp in openttd.cpp does it 12:07:26 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E9F9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:07:44 <Ammler> ln: what ugly thing can you do, if you start openttd as root? 12:08:33 <ln> Ammler: who knows. i doubt the source code has ever been thoroughly auditioned from the security perspective. 12:08:57 <dih> i second that 12:09:06 <dih> alone the fact that you can cd and ls 12:09:15 <flowOver> like in windows? 12:09:23 <flowOver> where everything is ran as admin 12:09:24 <dih> do that with a dedicated server... 12:09:30 <dih> flowOver: YAY 12:09:32 <ln> the point is, OpenTTD doesn't need root priviledges for anything, and if a vulnerability is found, it'll be even more dangerous for those running as root. 12:10:36 <Ammler> but why should someone start a server as root? 12:10:54 <ln> Ammler: because some people prefer to do everything as root. 12:10:57 <Rubidium> ln: thenn why does Apache require root; it doesn't necessarily need it anyway 12:11:04 <Poopsmith> some people are silly if they do everything as root 12:11:20 <flowOver> aww -runs windows- 12:11:22 <ln> Rubidium: it needs root for binding to port 80, after which it drops the priviledges. 12:11:26 <Ammler> is there another app, which forbidds starting as root? 12:11:27 <flowOver> i'm silly 12:11:55 <ln> Rubidium: or are you saying that Apache requires root permissions even if you choose to run it on a port >1024? 12:11:55 <Rubidium> ln: but can redirect 80 to 1080 and then apache doesn't need root 12:12:21 <dih> Rubidium: if the port is > 1024 it does not require root 12:12:29 <dih> yes 12:12:30 <dih> sorry 12:12:36 <dih> slow reading some stuff today :-P 12:12:56 <ln> ok, so is there a need to run OTTD on ports <= 1024 on *nix platforms? 12:13:08 <Rubidium> dih: my whole *point* is that you could argue that apache should enforce it not being started as root when port > 1024 12:13:18 <dih> :-P 12:13:34 <dih> but apache changes to another user/group after that process 12:13:37 <dih> openttd does not 12:13:48 <ln> Rubidium: that's a bit different, because Apache _starts_ as root, but effectively _runs_ as a normal user. 12:14:02 <dih> 08:03<Yorick> but... <- no but! run with clean trunk, then come back! :-P 12:14:18 <ln> while OpenTTD does not attempt to drop the root priviledges it may have, afaik. 12:14:36 <Rubidium> drop to what? 12:14:38 <Yorick> dih: on clean trunk I don't have 11 clients all over the world 12:15:00 <Yorick> ln: doesn't appache fire multiple selfs? 12:15:07 <Yorick> apache* 12:15:25 <Rubidium> Yorick: no, you got lots of clients with unknown patched binaries, which makes it even worse 12:16:01 <Ammler> Yorick: we have it quite often at coop... 12:16:07 <Rubidium> seriously... a patch setting only updated on 2! of the clients and not the others means that some binaries differ from other binaries 12:16:17 <ln> Rubidium: drop to a non-root user specified in a config file, for example. 12:16:27 <Yorick> Ammler, tell rubidium :) 12:16:46 <Ammler> but never realized that desync :-) 12:16:58 <dih> i spy with my little eye ^ 12:17:15 *** SirBob [~chatzilla@c122-107-227-146.eburwd5.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0/2008052906]] 12:17:34 <Rubidium> ln: if someone wants to run as root, they should be able to do so, even if it is stupid 12:18:00 <Rubidium> or should we stop starting OpenTTD if you don't have the latest security "updates" installed? 12:18:05 <dih> 14:16 <@Rubidium> seriously... a patch setting only updated on 2! of the clients and not the others means that some binaries differ from other binaries <-- should not be too hard to test with clean versions 12:18:10 <MorgyN> why would someone run openttd on a port <1024 =/ 12:18:19 <Yorick> dih: I can't reproduce the problem 12:18:25 <Rubidium> because their ISP only allows port 80? 12:18:36 <dih> perhaps they hope it has a neat webserver integrated to show the game details on a website :-P 12:18:46 <MorgyN> only? but won't that be tcp only then, not udp 12:18:52 <Yorick> but ammler got it quite often, and he runs clean trunk 12:19:14 <ln> Rubidium: ok, here's a patch for you: http://users.utu.fi/lanurm/ottd/national_insecurity.diff (feel free to commit) 12:19:35 <Yorick> bleh 12:19:35 <Ammler> Yorick: you missunderstood 12:20:15 <Ammler> I meant, we have many time many or even max visitors on our ps, but never realized a desync because of changing the max vehicles. 12:20:19 <Ammler> patch 12:20:39 <Rubidium> ln: what sense in the world does that patch make besides making people angry because OTTD doesn't start? 12:20:53 <Yorick> no, but you have unsynced patches? 12:21:01 <Rubidium> those stupid people are going to start something else that is equally or even more stupid 12:21:22 <ln> Rubidium: well anyway, if someone wants to run as root, he can comment out the lines and proceed. 12:21:49 <Rubidium> so the effect is annoying stupid people 12:21:51 <dih> if openttd supported --long-options you could have a flat --force-root 12:21:56 <dih> *flag 12:22:16 <Yorick> Rubidium: hmm, I also have the invisibility gui cherrypicked 12:22:18 <dih> Rubidium: rather have the game annoy stupid people, than stupid people annoy you 12:22:22 * dih looks at Yorick 12:22:39 * Yorick looks away 12:24:29 <Rubidium> Yorick: yes, that one looks broken 12:25:06 <Yorick> ? 12:25:32 <Rubidium> that one will cause your mentioned desync 12:25:52 <Yorick> well it only changes gui patches... 12:26:12 <Yorick> possibly I should keep the invisible trees patch there? 12:26:21 <Yorick> unused? 12:26:55 <Yorick> but why didn't it affect everyone then? 12:27:05 <dih> one would assume people get why one does not file bug reports for patched versions 12:27:12 <Rubidium> because the patch indices got totally screwed up 12:29:36 *** Smoky555 [~Miranda@80.69.148.14] has joined #openttd 12:29:39 <Yorick> afaik the invisible trees patch isn't saved with the save 12:30:03 <Rubidium> so? 12:30:25 <Rubidium> does it change the index of max_trains in the patch array? 12:31:25 <Yorick> there you got a point 12:31:28 <Yorick> :) 12:32:04 * Yorick thanks rubishium :) 12:32:57 <dih> actually this was kinda amusing... 12:33:26 <ln> Rubidium: 14:58 < ln> is there a minimum number of unique town names a name generator should generate? 12:33:39 <Rubidium> 1 12:34:20 <Rubidium> creating the other few hundred to thousands towns will go dead and dead slow after the first town 12:34:30 <Ammler> :-) 12:34:48 <Yorick> one should filter "sadhattan" out of it 12:35:07 <Ammler> Yorick: NewGRF! 12:35:16 <Yorick> sad 12:35:51 <Ammler> Yorick: dear patcher, I would like a GRF, which copies the names from NewGRF to the map. (save) 12:36:03 <Ammler> !s/GRF/patch/ 12:36:07 <Yorick> ask santa 12:36:25 * Yorick forwards Ammler's letter to santa 12:37:12 <Ammler> I guess, you could patch it better then him, he has already to handle the list about you. :-P 12:38:20 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@adsl-58.35.Static.ssp.fi] has joined #openttd 12:47:39 <Belugas> hello 12:48:41 <dih> :-) 12:48:47 <Yorick> # is it me you're looking for 12:49:08 * dih waves hello with his ignore list :-P 12:49:13 <Yorick> # I can see it in your eyes 12:49:20 <Yorick> # I can see it in your smile 12:57:44 *** nairan [~Maui_key@p5498DE73.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:57:52 <nairan> could it be CIA dont work? 12:58:35 <ln> ' 12:58:36 <Belugas> why asking that nairan? 12:58:57 <Yorick> the commit silence 12:59:23 <nairan> umm k. 12:59:31 <Yorick> but it does work 12:59:46 *** einKarl [~einKarl@91-65-234-54-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 13:00:33 <Belugas> let say, nairan, that there is very little that do get commited since real life is involved :) 13:00:58 <dih> :-P 13:01:06 <Belugas> plus, my stuff is not available yet, as i still fail on a major problem. 13:01:19 <dih> so less commits = good and healthy devers life 13:01:26 <dih> more commits = life is shite 13:01:29 <dih> :-P 13:02:41 <Belugas> if only it was diver life instead of dever :S 13:02:52 <dih> :-P 13:03:12 <dih> devers live = the developers life 13:04:35 <Belugas> i know, dih, i know... 13:06:13 <ln> ' 13:06:55 <dih> , 13:15:49 <nairan> nah just wondered if cia is broke. 13:15:50 *** Schlauke [~Schlauke@tmo-102-1.customers.d1-online.com] has joined #openttd 13:16:04 <nairan> i dont wanna damage your health devs 13:16:13 <nairan> you already did a great job. 13:16:17 <dih> nearly every user does :-P 13:16:28 <dih> emphasis on _user_ 13:16:28 <ln> do you think cia drank his money, or what? 13:16:47 <ln> or gambled? 13:17:13 *** Schlauke [~Schlauke@tmo-102-1.customers.d1-online.com] has quit [] 13:17:17 <Yorick> dih: your move patch doesn't check if the company really exitst, so I got half the money available to spend on a nonexistent company :) 13:20:01 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:20:24 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 13:23:32 *** shodan [user@ppp101-219.static.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Client Exiting] 13:23:48 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@user-54418bdb.lns1-c7.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:24:49 *** Smoky555 [~Miranda@80.69.148.14] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 13:28:17 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:28:20 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:29:49 *** Osai`off is now known as Osai 13:36:03 *** Doorslammer|BRSet [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-213.prem.tmns.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:41:16 <ln> http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/myl/TranslateServerError.jpg 13:42:01 <Yorick> :D 13:42:02 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:42:10 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 13:51:03 <Eddi|zuHause2> lmao :p 13:51:08 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 14:03:24 *** _Thorn_ [~kvirc@78-32-118-126.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/] 14:09:12 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E9F9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:14:39 <Eddi|zuHause2> <ln> is there a minimum number of unique town names a name generator should generate? <- 2048^2 map and very many towns should be around 2000-3000 towns 14:16:01 *** nairan [~Maui_key@p5498DE73.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 14:17:46 <peter1138> heh 14:18:40 <MorgyN> 2000 towns? damn 14:21:56 <Belugas> certification performed. now, the joy of annotating all the 86 slips 14:21:58 <Belugas> fun fun fun 14:22:46 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:22:47 *** Yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:23:11 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 14:26:32 <Yexo> Rubidium: only now I see commit 13664, fixing fs#2117. But that fs bug was closed because it was a duplicate of http://bugs.openttd.org/task/1976, so that one can be closed as well 14:28:24 *** Osai is now known as Osai`off 14:30:32 <Belugas> Yexo, 100% sure? no doubts? 14:31:07 <Yexo> 2117 was closed as duplicate, so if 2117 is fixed, 1976 should be fixed as well 14:31:15 <Yexo> and the bug descriptions match 14:32:06 <Belugas> done 14:32:10 <Belugas> youhou 14:32:13 <Belugas> less a bug entry 14:32:27 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 14:33:00 <Yexo> only 47 to go :p 14:33:08 <Eddi|zuHause2> save the bugs! 14:33:21 <Eddi|zuHause2> they are a vital part of nature 14:34:00 * Belugas sends all bugs he can find to Eddi|zuHause2 14:36:21 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, you can assure a vivid population of bugs by commiting yapp :p 14:37:56 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:38:33 *** Poopsmith [~Poopsmith@117.206.55.210.dynamic.snap.net.nz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:39:37 <dih> 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Wolf01 [~wolf01@host126-174-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 17:15:21 <Wolf01> hello 17:16:00 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl5402B32D.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 17:16:07 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5B11D5FA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 17:22:56 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm159.epsilon123.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:38:08 <Touqen> olleh 17:51:45 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@63pc213.sshunet.nl] has joined #openttd 17:54:37 *** lobstar_MB [~michielbr@63pc213.sshunet.nl] has joined #openttd 17:54:38 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@63pc213.sshunet.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:00:49 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r13673 /trunk/src/openttd.cpp: -Fix [FS#2122]: desync when building electrified trains on a dedicated server that was started with electrification disabled. 18:02:27 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@user-54418bdb.lns1-c7.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:09:55 *** xahodo 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18:29:33 <gwenael> uhuh, it's transfer orders... 18:29:36 <Yexo> you don't get money for transfers, you get the money for the final delivery of the goods 18:29:49 <gwenael> okiii 18:30:15 <Yexo> see http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Orders#Transfer 18:30:39 <gwenael> Yexo: thx :) 18:33:40 *** einKarl [~einKarl@91-65-234-54-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:33:46 *** einKarl [~einKarl@91-65-234-54-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 18:34:48 *** tkz [~a@80-247-23-139.cust.zycomm.uk.net] has joined #openttd 18:35:35 <xahodo> Hello, how can I tell whether a savegame is broken (other then openttd crasing on me)? 18:35:51 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:35:57 <tkz> anyone about who can sort out an annoying signal issue? 18:36:54 <Yexo> what signal issue do you have? 18:37:00 <tkz> Well 18:37:06 <tkz> I can't get the semaphores I want 18:37:16 <tkz> and I can't for the life of me work out what Grf is changing it 18:37:18 <Yexo> xahodo: post it somewhere on the internet so others can have a look at it 18:37:29 <Yexo> tkz: what version are you using? 18:37:32 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 18:37:39 <tkz> Russian Patch Pack 1.2 - r13437 18:37:46 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.231.53] has joined #openttd 18:38:08 <Yexo> what kind of semaphores do you want to build? 18:38:16 <Yexo> and what ones can you build? 18:38:19 <tkz> I can build all 18:38:27 <tkz> it's just they graphic isn't one I want 18:38:36 <Eddi|zuHause2> type of semaphores depends on road traffic side and the patch setting "signals on road traffic side" 18:38:54 <tkz> yeah, I thought that - I set it to Drive on the Left as I'm British 18:38:59 <tkz> but it doesn't seem to have changed 18:39:18 <tkz> I think I still have the Euro or other semaphore 18:39:58 <Eddi|zuHause2> changed road side after creating the game? 18:40:19 <tkz> created a new game 18:42:20 *** tkz [~a@80-247-23-139.cust.zycomm.uk.net] has quit [Quit: Peace and Protection 4.22] 18:42:55 <Ammler> isn't there a patch wich doesn't support left side driving? 18:46:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> what kind of patch do you mean? 18:47:07 <xahodo> Well, here's the link to the savegame in question: http://depositfiles.com/files/6372929 18:49:11 <xahodo> Problem occurs when scrolling to somewhere around Treewood, New grondworth falls and Winningworth (when the savegame is active?) 18:49:24 <xahodo> *active = unpaused 18:50:13 <Eddi|zuHause2> xahodo: if it is from an official build, post it to bugs.openttd.org 18:50:28 <Eddi|zuHause2> if it is from a patched build, bad luck 18:51:49 <xahodo> It's from an unpatched nightly. 18:52:35 *** Yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 18:52:36 <xahodo> And I'm not sure whether it's openttd or the save, no assertion just a crashing app. 18:52:48 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A4F93.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 18:54:37 <Rubidium> xahodo: have you compiled the binary yourself? 18:54:51 <xahodo> No. 18:55:09 <xahodo> Just got it and put it in the usual place. 18:55:15 <xahodo> want a crashdump from windows? 18:55:16 <Yorick> got it where? 18:55:35 <xahodo> From the openttd homepage. 18:55:46 <xahodo> errr... 18:55:50 <Rubidium> have you used autoreplace? 18:57:25 <xahodo> yes, we have used autoreplace, but it should not be active atm. 18:59:47 <Rubidium> sounds like autoreplace might have trashed some internal information 19:00:06 *** peter1138 [~peter@svn.bucks.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:00:15 <Rubidium> anyhow, I can't be bothered to wait several minutes before I'm allowed to download your savegame 19:01:09 <Yexo> Rubidium: try http://www.student.tue.nl/V/t.i.marinussen/game.sav 19:01:13 <xahodo> omg :S 19:01:34 <Yexo> openttd crashes here too btw, even when the game is still in pause mode 19:03:08 <xahodo> Should find some place decent to dump my files... 19:03:30 <Yexo> xahodo: the link I posted is a copy of your file :) 19:04:00 <Ammler> xahodo: use tt-forums or http://senduit.com 19:04:16 *** neli [micha@88.159.210.43] has joined #openttd 19:05:28 <xahodo> Here's the crash report I've got: http://senduit.com/b97634 19:06:37 <Eddi|zuHause2> OR post them to the bug tracker like i told you... 19:07:39 <Ammler> I guess, you have just missing GRFs 19:07:50 <Ammler> it runs quite well here 19:09:01 *** einKarl [~einKarl@91-65-234-54-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:09:23 <Ammler> possible, you are using other version of ISR? 19:09:41 *** Digitalfox [~Digitalfo@bl7-185-239.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:10:01 <xahodo> Check in the area west from Treewood Central and Northwest in Peninghall Vally, it should crash around there somewhere. 19:10:36 <xahodo> ISR = Industrial Station Renewal? 19:11:14 *** peter1138 [~peter@svn.bucks.net] has joined #openttd 19:11:16 *** mode/#openttd [+o peter1138] by ChanServ 19:11:43 <Ammler> xahodo: yes 19:11:49 <Ammler> and it doesn't :-) 19:12:36 <xahodo> grf versions all seem to be fine. 19:12:37 *** neli [micha@88.159.210.43] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:12:46 <Ammler> no orange? 19:14:21 <Yexo> strange, I just compiled a debug build and now it no longer crashes 19:15:13 *** Osai`off is now known as Osai 19:15:38 <Yorick> :-D 19:15:50 <Rubidium> seems like the savegame crashes on a broken sprite or so 19:16:30 *** grumbel [~grumbel@i577AE684.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 19:17:17 <Ammler> Yexo: that sounds familiar in last time. 19:18:14 <xahodo> Well, the dutch station set has some orange below the overpass... but that looks normal. 19:18:53 <Eddi|zuHause2> he meant an orange icon before the grf name ;) 19:19:07 <Ammler> xahodo: I meant in the GRF GUI, orange means other version of same GRF 19:19:24 <Ammler> the little square beside the name. 19:19:26 <xahodo> None 19:19:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> meaning "you do not have the exact same GRF, loaded other GRF with same ID" 19:19:31 <xahodo> all green 19:19:53 <Ammler> how do I see, if I have a debug build? 19:20:51 <Eddi|zuHause2> # mmm mmm mmm mmm mmm mmm mmm mmm 19:20:53 <Eddi|zuHause2> # mmm mmm mmm mmm mmm mmm mmm mmm 19:21:06 <Eddi|zuHause2> # aaaa aaaaaa aaaaaaa ahhaa 19:21:12 * Prof_Frink teaches Eddi|zuHause2 the words 19:21:35 <Eddi|zuHause2> welll that technically _is_ the text of the song ;) 19:21:59 <Prof_Frink> # 19:22:00 <Prof_Frink> # 19:22:01 <Prof_Frink> # 19:22:11 <Prof_Frink> (It's an instrumental) 19:22:19 <Eddi|zuHause2> we know that you can't sing :p 19:22:19 <xahodo> coffee break, brb 19:22:25 <Yexo> Ammler: not sure how you see that from the binary (except for the size) 19:22:27 *** xahodo is now known as xahodo|afk 19:22:51 <Yexo> but you need to configure with --enable-debug=1 (or higher) to have debugging symbols for gdb 19:23:25 <Ammler> 3 mb is without 19:23:30 <Ammler> 4 is with? 19:24:10 *** Osai is now known as Osai`off 19:24:31 *** neli [micha@88.159.210.43] has joined #openttd 19:24:53 <Ammler> then I can run that save with trunk without debug. 19:25:12 <Yexo> not sure, my binary is 39mb 19:25:27 <Ammler> :-o 19:25:39 <Ammler> depense on debug level? 19:25:39 <Eddi|zuHause2> debug builds tend to be significantly bigger ;) 19:26:20 <Yexo> don't think it matters much if you compile with --enable-debug=1 or with =2 19:26:25 * Prof_Frink makes a rebugger 19:26:58 <Yexo> what does that do? Reintroduce fixed bugs? 19:26:59 <Prof_Frink> Takes source code, grabs random bits from old svn commits, applies and compiles 19:31:25 *** xahodo|afk is now known as xahodo 19:35:21 *** pugboy [~pugboy@pool-71-112-104-185.sttlwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 19:35:26 <pugboy> Hello? 19:36:41 <Rubidium> xahodo: could you make a bugreport with that savegame? 19:37:18 <pugboy> Is there a specific place to get 32bpp tar files, or are they scattered? 19:37:29 <xahodo> Rubidium: sure 19:37:46 <pugboy> I can't seem t find one on the wiki 19:40:03 <Yexo> the wiki main page links here: http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/List_of_downloadable_32bpp_tars 19:40:43 *** pugboy [~pugboy@pool-71-112-104-185.sttlwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 19:40:58 *** pugboy [~pugboy@pool-71-112-104-185.sttlwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 19:41:15 <pugboy> Ok, thanks 19:41:28 <Yexo> also see http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Playing_with_32bpp_graphics 19:41:39 <pugboy> However, OpenTTD did not create a .cfg file, so I can't enable the blitter :/ 19:41:52 <Yexo> openttd does always create a .cfg file 19:42:06 <Yexo> it just didn't create it in the directory where you expected it 19:42:09 <pugboy> Funny... 19:42:12 <pugboy> Great 19:42:17 <Yexo> Have you tried My Documents/openttd ? 19:42:28 <pugboy> There it is :) 19:44:28 * Belugas sends tons of applauds to Yexo, who is doing a fine job of helping new comers :) 19:44:50 <pugboy> I agree :) 19:45:04 <Yexo> thx Belugas. Posting wiki links all the times seems to work fine :) 19:45:09 <pugboy> I don't see a "blitter=" line in the config file though... 19:45:41 <Yorick> [misc] 19:45:54 <pugboy> Right, I should actually read the wiki :D 19:46:14 <Belugas> hehe... the message has been received ;) 19:46:41 <xahodo> http://bugs.openttd.org/2127 19:48:37 <xahodo> oh, one more detail: if it crashes using SDL windows produces no crashlog (at least the crash popup doesn't appear), but when GDI is used it does. 19:49:07 <Yexo> you should add that to the bug report 19:49:21 <HMage> xahodo: look out for stdout.txt and similar 19:50:57 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:50:57 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 19:51:28 <xahodo> HMage: where can I find those on windows? 19:51:39 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:54:50 <xahodo> done 19:55:17 <Belugas> i guess i should remove my comment... 19:55:53 <frosch123> segmentation fault on linux 19:57:13 <HMage> xahodo: it's not windows specific, it's SDL-specific. These files should be in OpenTTD directory. 19:57:27 <HMage> SDL reroutes console output there -- stdout.txt and stderr.txt 19:58:48 <xahodo> Those files don't happen to be hidden, do they? 19:59:08 <HMage> they shouldn't. If they're not there then don't bother. 19:59:24 <xahodo> Sorry, no 19:59:52 <HMage> I'm not dev, just trying to help you a little bit 20:00:08 *** pugboy [~pugboy@pool-71-112-104-185.sttlwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 20:05:07 *** Osai`off is now known as Osai 20:09:17 <Wolf01> 'night 20:09:19 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host126-174-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 20:16:57 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-211-50.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:18:52 *** mikl [~mikl@x1-6-00-14-bf-cc-78-b6.k706.webspeed.dk] has quit [Quit: mikl] 20:22:59 *** Sacro1 [~Ben@adsl-213-249-234-176.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 20:24:23 *** Yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to explode me. Poef!] 20:24:46 <glx> [21:48:37] <xahodo> oh, one more detail: if it crashes using SDL windows produces no crashlog (at least the crash popup doesn't appear), but when GDI is used it does. <-- crash.log is only for MSVC release builds 20:28:43 *** mikl [~mikl@x1-6-00-14-bf-cc-78-b6.k706.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 20:29:13 *** Mirrakor [~linuser@p57B2E61A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:29:21 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-83-100-173-230.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:30:05 <Mirrakor> Hm.. I've got two airplanes which can land on a airport, but they don't unload passengers nor mail (on the next airport they fly to, they can) - Has this something to do with the size of the airport? 20:31:42 <glx> does the airport accepts them? 20:31:57 *** ecke1 [~ecke@213.195.230.1] has joined #openttd 20:32:11 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.231.53] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:35:01 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5B11E833.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:35:54 <peter1138> ordered the aircraft to stop at the hangar? 20:37:54 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5B11E833.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 20:38:46 <Belugas> night all, /me goes to rest 20:41:01 <Mirrakor> peter1138: maybe not.. 20:42:25 <Mirrakor> glx: no, the airport accepts nothing, that's weird - why is that so? Can't I drop them of to a bus station? 20:43:07 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has quit [Quit: http://www.interplay.com/] 20:43:29 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 20:49:58 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E9F9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:51:22 *** helb_ [~helb@84.244.90.203] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:52:32 *** ecke1 [~ecke@213.195.230.1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:52:46 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.203] has joined #openttd 20:52:46 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:53:05 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 20:53:15 <xahodo> goodbye 20:53:18 *** xahodo [~chatzilla@energy.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0/2008052906]] 20:55:22 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.203] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:57:12 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.203] has joined #openttd 20:58:11 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.230.1] has joined #openttd 21:10:24 *** Sacro [~Ben@213.249.248.151] has joined #openttd 21:14:01 *** Sacro1 [~Ben@adsl-213-249-234-176.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:14:16 *** Sacro1 [~Ben@adsl-213-249-234-176.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 21:18:27 *** Sacro [~Ben@213.249.248.151] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:18:34 *** Sacro1 is now known as Sacro 21:27:17 <Eddi|zuHause2> <Mirrakor> Can't I drop them of to a bus station? <- no, that requires passenger destionations 21:27:33 <Eddi|zuHause2> and ... that won't happen any time soon 21:29:14 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d00acb5.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:33:17 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:38:12 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.230.1] has quit [Quit: ecke] 21:38:33 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.230.1] has joined #openttd 21:42:06 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:42:34 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-213-249-234-176.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:45:21 *** Mirrakor [~linuser@p57B2E61A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:50:35 *** penguinlord [~PENGUINLO@c-71-194-155-98.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:57:23 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has quit [Quit: http://www.interplay.com/] 21:58:03 *** penguinmessiah [~PENGUINLO@c-71-194-155-98.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:59:41 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:07:26 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82341.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:09:01 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81867.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 22:09:03 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 22:12:45 *** lobstar_MB [~michielbr@63pc213.sshunet.nl] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 22:13:00 *** GT [~GT@adsl-dc-4664d.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 22:26:38 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 22:31:07 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-119-5.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 22:35:12 *** GT [~GT@adsl-dc-4664d.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has left #openttd [Kopete 0.12.7 : http://kopete.kde.org] 22:42:48 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051089153.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: (~_~]"] 22:49:15 *** GoneWacko [GoneWacko@86-60-157-76-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi] has quit [] 22:49:50 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E9F9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:03:28 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 23:06:34 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has quit [Quit: using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12] 23:19:13 *** Osai is now known as Osai`off 23:24:05 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 23:24:05 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:24:07 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 23:26:53 *** lob