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00:58:54 *** fjb [~frank@p5485D52C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:05:21 *** fmauNeko is now known as fmauNekAway 01:06:20 *** Klanticus [~Klanticus@189.35.184.72] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:07:28 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-26-82-230.nrth.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 01:50:23 *** dvdb [~dvdb@cable-static-21-192.rsnweb.ch] has joined #openttd 01:50:25 <dvdb> hi 01:52:32 <dvdb> i am looking for a trainset which railroad cars have a high passenger capacity 01:53:01 <dvdb> the standard passenger car has a capacity of 40 passengers. 02:03:08 <ArmEagle> well, you can download one and use the grfcodec to change the capacity yourself :) 02:03:23 <ArmEagle> http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=Action0Trains 02:04:35 <dvdb> ArmEagle: my english is to bad to read tutorials and I went on Friday in holyday. so i hoped that there exists something 02:11:39 *** dvdb [~dvdb@cable-static-21-192.rsnweb.ch] has quit [Quit: 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has joined #openttd 07:32:02 <Yorick> wtf...the ai built me a signalled trainline without 90-deg turns 07:33:04 <Noldo> what are the odds of that! 07:34:41 <Yorick> a million to 1 07:34:53 <Yorick> but still, it does 07:36:09 <Yorick> http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs229&d=08293&f=little_winnington_transport__22nd_aug_1951293.png 07:36:55 <Rubidium> Yorick: but there is a 90 degree turn 07:37:08 <Yorick> shh, only because it made signals 07:37:12 <Rubidium> there are actually 2 07:37:44 <Yorick> I haven't seen it making junctions before, so I'm proud of it :) 07:38:10 <Noldo> :D 07:42:50 *** fmauNekAway is now known as fmauNeko 07:43:00 <Yorick> it's got 43 trains now 07:43:39 <Ammler> Yorick: you should make a ai for noai which behaves like the original ai... :-) 07:43:56 <Yorick> tb doesn't like me 07:44:16 <Ammler> is that needed? 07:45:25 <Yorick> it is if I want any support 07:45:41 <Yorick> hmm, is that original ai supposed to be learning? 07:46:00 <Ammler> lol 07:46:39 <Yorick> or is it my imagination that thinks it's making train junctions 07:48:15 <Noldo> pics! 07:48:51 <Yorick> I'll make a giant screenshot 07:50:25 <Ammler> but host it on faster server, please. 07:51:27 <Yorick> filefactory.com 07:54:13 <Yorick> http://www.filefactory.com/file/fd41dd/n/Drinningpool_Transport_21st_Nov_1961_png 07:55:00 <SpComb> bah, too hard to get to the file 07:55:32 <Ammler> Yorick: http://senduit.com 07:55:40 <Yorick> that's slow 07:56:05 <SpComb> shouldn't everyone have their own hosting in some form or another these days? 07:56:21 <Ammler> :-) 07:56:28 <Yorick> I don't like paying for that 07:56:44 <Ammler> google pages. 07:57:17 <SpComb> Yorick: then buy some cheap VPS or something 07:57:58 <Yorick> then I still need a domain 08:00:05 <SpComb> well, domains do have some kind of value 08:01:13 <SpComb> and you can get sensible subdomains for free, e.g. eu.org 08:01:34 *** jni [~geetee@cs181040004.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 08:11:23 <Celestar> meh 08:11:29 <Celestar> I've overloaded one of my hubs 08:13:26 <Yorick> spcomb: thanks :) 08:14:39 <peter1138> hm 08:15:10 <Rubidium> you can only make an AI like the original AI when it cheats like hell and doesn't pay for terraforming 08:15:38 <Rubidium> which is IMO one of the bad things of the current AI 08:18:06 <Yorick> http://senduit.com/8ba08a 08:32:30 <Kommer> Yorick: a domain costs 15 euro's a year.. thats not much? or host it on your own computer :) 08:34:53 * fmauNeko pays his domain around 6 euros a year :p 08:43:34 <Celestar> Rubidium: 420000 delivered cargo. I'm getting there :P 08:43:48 <Rubidium> how big is your map? 08:44:51 <Celestar> the typical 1k 08:44:57 <Celestar> but it's only a single cargo type 08:47:27 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 08:48:12 <Rubidium> so you should get to 500,000*64/11 ;) 08:49:46 <Celestar> is this a challenge? :P 08:50:21 <Rubidium> if you're up to it ;) 08:50:38 <Celestar> dunno if I have enough houses to produce that number of passengers 08:50:48 <Rubidium> grow the towns 08:51:11 <Rubidium> you only need 7 times as many passengers to transport 08:51:49 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 08:52:05 <Celestar> I've not yet connected every hamlet on the map 08:53:40 <Celestar> I'm already at 25% CPU load :P 08:54:39 <peter1138> that'll be yapp ;) 08:54:52 <Celestar> not sure. 08:54:56 <Celestar> want me to profile it? 08:55:02 <peter1138> hmm, 1k is typical? 08:55:11 * peter1138 usually plays at 256 08:55:13 <Celestar> most play that size meanwhile :P 08:57:39 <Noldo> with yapp-patch but without using yapp features might be the interesting to profile 08:59:02 <Yorick> it's around 10% slower 08:59:23 <SpComb> a fair price to pay 08:59:33 <Celestar> Yorick: where's the loss of speed? 08:59:49 <Yorick> at least on fast-forward ;) 08:59:51 <Noldo> SpComb: for nothing? 09:00:16 <Ammler> Did you ever think about special extensions for the tar files? 09:00:31 <peter1138> It wasn't 10% slower for me. 09:00:36 <Ammler> .tar for grfs and noai will confuse people... 09:00:57 <peter1138> What do you mean? 09:01:28 <Yorick> the .tar for 32bpp and noai 09:01:39 <Yorick> they have the same format, I'll confuse 09:02:24 <Celestar> :S 09:02:32 <Celestar> does multistop work with drive through stop?s 09:02:34 <Ammler> something like trg and tai or so :-) 09:04:06 <peter1138> What does you mean by the same format? 09:04:08 <peter1138> -es 09:04:19 <peter1138> Celestar: Yes. 09:04:29 <Ammler> Celestar: do you use trunk head? 09:04:32 <Yorick> peter1138: both tars 09:04:46 <peter1138> ... 09:05:03 <peter1138> I don't get it :o 09:05:03 <Celestar> yeah 09:05:06 <Yorick> they would both look the same 09:05:18 <Ammler> !s/would/do/ 09:05:19 <peter1138> Should we not use zip for noai or something then? 09:05:23 <peter1138> -not 09:05:34 <peter1138> Silly keyboard, typing words I don't want. 09:05:36 <Yorick> better .ai.tar 09:05:49 <Noldo> windows doesn't have problems with that kind of filename? 09:05:56 <Rubidium> Yorick: you can do that, right? 09:06:11 <Yorick> Noldo: nope 09:06:12 <planetmaker> I prefer yorick's destinction of different tar files - helps to keep an overview 09:06:38 <Ammler> tar files should also show, if they already have the grf inside :-) 09:06:39 <Rubidium> yeah, placing AIs in another directory than the graphics does too 09:06:57 <peter1138> tar is a standard archive format... 09:06:58 <planetmaker> myfancy.grf.tar mydominating.ai.tar :P 09:07:04 <Celestar> peter1138: gotta disappoint you 09:07:08 <Celestar> peter1138: http://www.fvfischer.de/profile.yapp 09:07:12 <Yorick> but that does not work at download 09:07:45 <peter1138> ... 09:07:46 <planetmaker> Yorick: what doesn't work for download? filenames with several '.' ? 09:07:50 <Celestar> damn 09:07:55 <Celestar> wrong profile 09:07:56 <peter1138> Celestar: What's that supposed to be? 09:08:09 <Rubidium> and several dots in filenames doesn't work on DOS ;) 09:08:20 <Yorick> planetmaker: no, when stuff is downloaded, users can't actually know if it's an ai or a grf 09:08:29 <Celestar> peter1138: no . right profile. That'S a 150-train game with yapp :D 09:08:30 <Yorick> Rubidium: we don't use DOS, do we? 09:08:44 <Ammler> Rubidium: shouldn't you name files like they are no directories? 09:08:46 <Rubidium> orudge made a POC DOS binary not long ago 09:08:48 <peter1138> Yorick: Surely if you're downloading it... you know what it is? 09:08:58 <peter1138> Celestar: Right, but a profile on its own means nothing. 09:08:59 <Yorick> argh 09:09:07 <Ammler> !s/they/there/ 09:09:20 <Yorick> peter1138: some people are just stupid 09:09:25 <peter1138> Yorick: Yes, you are. 09:09:31 <Yorick> that too 09:09:42 <Celestar> peter1138: true, but yet the blitter takes most of the effort 09:09:51 <orudge> whee, DOS :D 09:09:54 <Rubidium> hmm... idea 09:10:01 * orudge never quite got around to finishing the video driver however, as it was being a pain 09:10:06 <Noldo> orudge: hilight? 09:10:09 <Yorick> but I mean the "hmm, where does that file go...hey, a bin! *drags to recycle bin*"-kind 09:10:10 <peter1138> Celestar: So what am I being disappointed about? 09:10:15 <orudge> Noldo: quite 09:10:19 <planetmaker> Celestar: I think the point is to make a differential profiling analysis - and compare the impact :) 09:10:23 <Rubidium> add .console.exe for Windows console applications, and ..netcrap.exe for .NET crap and such too? 09:10:32 <Rubidium> and .gui.exe if it contains a GUI? 09:10:49 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-26-82-230.nrth.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 09:10:51 <Celestar> peter1138: about yapp eating all my CPU :P 09:11:08 <Rubidium> maybe .application.zip for zips containing applications and .graphics.zip when it contains graphics? 09:11:09 <Yorick> ok, other example...what if you find a directory full of tars 09:11:18 <planetmaker> especially for a game where yapp is not used, but compiled in the binary compared to the same game, but yapp not compiled to the binary 09:11:21 <Yorick> and you want to use them all 09:11:44 <peter1138> Celestar: Ah, well, I wasn't the one who profiled it as using up to 10% more. 09:11:51 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 09:12:11 <Yorick> that would be rubidium, I think 09:13:45 <Rubidium> Yorick: the filename should be descriptive enough, anything else is just pointless complexification of making the tar and loading it 09:14:07 <Yorick> ... 09:14:15 <Yorick> what did you think I was suggesting... 09:14:32 <Yorick> "the filename should be descriptive enough" 09:15:08 <Rubidium> you were suggesting forcing .tai or whatever variation thereof (i.e. an extension) to be the way to tell it what it is 09:15:20 <Rubidium> and now what does Windows do by default? 09:15:47 <planetmaker> [11:02] <Ammler> something like trg and tai or so :-) 09:15:55 <Yorick> rubidium: crash? 09:15:57 *** Volley [~worf@85.127.55.175] has joined #openttd 09:16:04 <Rubidium> hide the extension 09:16:10 <planetmaker> [11:05] <Yorick> better .ai.tar 09:16:18 <Rubidium> that's also an extension 09:16:23 <Vikthor> Yorick: I think best would be to leave it to authors of said files 09:16:29 <Yorick> but it will show the .ai 09:16:53 <Vikthor> it's the same as in adding w to windows palette grf's 09:17:05 <Vikthor> you are not required to do so, but everybody does 09:17:11 <blathijs> Vikthor: Having a recommendation for authors improves consistency, which is not bad 09:17:29 <Rubidium> but forcing someone to use a specific format is bad 09:17:33 * Celestar goes installing KDE4.1rc1 09:17:41 <Ammler> Vikthor: but it needs suggested, that why I am asking 09:18:00 <Yorick> rubidium: forcing someone to not use a specific format is even worse 09:18:02 <planetmaker> yeah, but changing the file extension is bad imo 09:18:10 <Ammler> because currently nobody does. Either 32bpp authors and AI devs. 09:18:11 <Rubidium> MyAIThingy.ai.tar <- why the extra ai? 09:18:13 <planetmaker> having a convention for filenames is good, though 09:18:15 <blathijs> Rubidium: Unless you want to do some filtering based on filename/extension, but it's probably enough to simply assume that everything in some directory is of the right kind 09:19:00 <Rubidium> it is in distinctly different directories (unless someone starts playing with (sym)links) 09:19:06 <planetmaker> Rubidium: it indeed enhances readability of the dir contents 09:19:38 <Rubidium> planetmaker: what directory? 09:19:39 <planetmaker> or, if you find a file posted and just download it now - and have a badly sorted download dir :P - a typical user error :D 09:21:54 <peter1138> ... user error 09:22:25 <planetmaker> well... it doesn't hurt no one to name files according to their usage. 09:23:03 <planetmaker> but then I'm a person who found a tar bug with too long file names for multiple-file archives :P 09:23:07 <Rubidium> the why aren't the newgrfs in your ottdcoop pack? 09:23:31 <Rubidium> *then 09:23:52 *** Forked [~kjetil@savner.vdsl2.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:24:02 <planetmaker> Rubidium: the grf pack is just putting the files as they are provided... we have no right to modify :) 09:24:04 <Rubidium> ecswood.industry.windows.grf ukrs.trains.windows.grf etc. 09:24:08 <Ammler> [11:18] <Rubidium> MyAIThingy.ai.tar <- why the extra ai? <-- convoy.tar 09:24:39 <planetmaker> Rubidium: indeed I like the naming scheme sketched by you more :) 09:24:45 <planetmaker> makes clear what the file does 09:24:57 <Rubidium> so forcing something just for the case when someone failed to make it clear it was an AI 09:25:19 <Ammler> canset.trains.indusytry.snowline.etc.grf 09:25:26 <planetmaker> Rubidium: it's not forcing as it works without. But it's about recommending 09:25:52 <peter1138> Open the tar and you shall see... 09:26:13 <Ammler> yeah, I fear you need to do that 1. time. 09:26:27 <Ammler> specially to check if the grf is inside too. 09:27:29 <planetmaker> like it's a good idea to have a current virus scanner - but you're not required to 09:29:26 <Yorick> how to set custom fonts on openttd? 09:29:41 <Rubidium> read readme.txt? 09:29:59 <Yorick> "open your configurationfile and add a desired font for small/medium/-and large_font" but there is no large_font, small_font or medium_font 09:30:22 <Rubidium> then your openttd doesn't support it 09:30:28 <Yorick> ? 09:30:45 <Yorick> it's trunk 09:30:47 <Rubidium> build without freetype support and such 09:30:56 <Yorick> ^^ 09:31:55 *** grumbel [~grumbel@i577BA28B.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 09:34:45 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-36.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 09:39:02 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm168.epsilon123.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 09:40:49 *** curson [~curzon@79-69-76-19.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 09:43:26 *** Smoky555 [~Miranda@80.69.148.14] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 09:45:22 *** Bloody [blood@host-187-89.xdsl.telecet.ru] has left #openttd [] 09:46:37 *** Sir-Bob [~chatzilla@c122-107-227-146.eburwd5.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0/2008052906]] 09:46:54 *** dlunch [~dlunch@61.108.29.49] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:47:59 *** dlunch [~dlunch@61.108.29.49] has joined #openttd 09:53:41 <Yorick> ld: cannot find -lintl 09:54:33 <fmauNeko> Yorick: gettext-devel ? 09:54:40 <Yorick> freetype 09:54:56 <dih> where is the difference between PlayerByte and PlayerID ? 09:55:03 <fmauNeko> Yorick: libintl is in gettext :p 09:55:31 <Yorick> dih: probably in player_type.h 09:55:51 <Yorick> fmauNeko: and why does it want gettext 09:55:56 <dih> i did not ask WHERE it is i asked where the DIFFERENCE is 09:55:59 <fmauNeko> hmm, don't know :p 09:57:18 <Yorick> playerID is type Owner 09:57:30 <Noldo> dih: one is TineEnumT<Owner> other 09:58:15 <dih> uint16 09:58:42 <Noldo> What is that TinyEnumT<> anyway? 09:58:43 <dih> but then the Player struct holds 'index' which is PlayerByte 10:01:10 <Rubidium> PlayerID is an enum of undefined size, PlayerByte is a 'wrapper' for that enum with defined size 10:01:33 <Rubidium> and the defined size is needed if one wants to use OTTD's savegame mechanism 10:01:38 <Noldo> nice 10:03:09 <dih> what is it's size Rubidium ? 10:03:44 <Rubidium> the size of what? 10:04:03 <dih> TinyEnumT<Owner> ? 10:04:07 <Noldo> dih: it's byte 10:04:12 * dih runs 10:07:59 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r13708 /branches/0.6/ (12 files in 2 dirs): 10:08:01 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: [0.6] -Backport from trunk: 10:08:01 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: - Fix: Possible buffer overflow in string truncation code (r13700) 10:08:03 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: - Fix: Handle SETX(Y) properly when truncating a string instead of ignoring it and returning a too long string (r13699) 10:08:03 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: - Fix: In some cases the (sound) mixer could overflow causing artefacts in the sound [FS#2120] (r13695) 10:08:05 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: - Fix: Do not rely on .tar files always ending with a block of zeros (r13693) 10:08:05 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: - Fix: Make sure a command is ran in the context of autoreplace or not (r13691) 10:10:11 *** Rexxie [~rexxars@85.19.218.24] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:10:26 *** Vikthor1 [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 10:14:02 <Yorick> you should not only do r13693, but also the fix to it ;) 10:14:51 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:15:22 *** Rexxie [~rexxars@85.19.218.24] has joined #openttd 10:17:37 *** Vikthor1 is now known as Vikthor 10:18:57 <Rubidium> there is no fix for 13693 10:19:23 <Yorick> 95* 10:19:55 <Rubidium> done that 10:20:16 <Rubidium> but it's totally pointless to add that to the 0.6.2-RC1 changelog 10:20:36 <peter1138> Holy crap! 10:20:44 <peter1138> I didn't realise Yorick was our project manager now. 10:21:04 <Gekz> wtf? 10:21:05 <Gekz> he is? 10:21:08 <Yorick> not 10:21:11 <ln> of course he is 10:21:14 <Celestar> he bought us :) 10:21:16 <Celestar> and he pays us :D 10:21:21 <Gekz> in cookies. 10:21:27 * Yorick pays celestar a cookie 10:21:39 <ln> Gekz: do you know someone whose nick begins with Y that is not a project manager? 10:21:48 <Gekz> yes. 10:22:14 <Celestar> Ya-Ya Sisterhood 10:22:14 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CB64.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:22:34 <Rubidium> ln: you? 10:23:30 <dih> Yorick is the mascot 10:23:55 <Gekz> oh 10:23:59 <Gekz> New Caledonia kicked ass btw. 10:24:20 <Noldo> yours? 10:24:21 <Gekz> My French speaking is now +1. 10:25:00 <Celestar> when is 0.6.2RC1 planned for release? 10:25:11 <Gekz> wtf is a plan 10:25:13 <Rubidium> somewhere in the future? 10:25:39 <dih> :-P 10:25:46 <dih> in the NEAR future 10:26:05 <Celestar> are we measuring it in microseconds? :P 10:26:38 <dih> if you want to watch numbers change all the time for weeks, you can if you like 10:27:12 *** TiberiusTeng [Tiberius@140.120.15.14] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:27:33 <Yorick> we are measuring it in square pieces of Rubidium 10:28:38 <Noldo> speak for yourself 10:29:08 * Celestar pulls off his sock and stuffs it into Yorick's trap :P 10:29:19 <dih> Yorick: you are annoying 10:29:29 <Yorick> dih: again? 10:29:35 <dih> no - still 10:32:13 <Rubidium> Celestar: if you want to count in µs: going to take at least millions of them ;) 10:32:25 <Celestar> daaaaamn 10:33:28 <dih> :-D 10:34:00 *** TiberiusTeng [~Tiberius@natpt-agent.cs.nchu.edu.tw] has joined #openttd 10:34:43 *** Yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Don't come near Rubidium, radioactive makes you go Poef!] 10:34:56 <Eddi|zuHause2> g 10:35:07 <Rubidium> yay ;) 10:35:19 <Eddi|zuHause2> err... where did that come from? 10:35:21 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r13709 /branches/0.6/src/lang/ (20 files): [0.6] -Backport from trunk: language updates. 10:37:18 <Celestar> do we still support NO_DEBUG_MESSAGES? 10:37:51 <Rubidium> why wouldn't we? 10:37:59 <Celestar> because it fails compiling :D 10:38:30 *** mikl [~mikl@cpe.ge-0-2-0-812.0x50c774be.boanqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 10:38:49 <Rubidium> you broke it ;) 10:40:01 <Celestar> Rubidium: we have direct reference to _debug_SOMETHING_level in .cpp files. with NO_DEBUG_MESSAGES, they don'T exist. the question is whether just to do an #ifndef NO_DEBUG_MESSAGES around those parts of the code 10:41:33 <TiberiusTeng> Rubidium, I hava a little question about that PNG loading stuff in spritecache.cpp 10:41:53 <Rubidium> and you're asking me? :) 10:41:55 <Celestar> Rubidium: and no, SmatZ broke it, not me :P 10:42:16 <TiberiusTeng> why isn't the PNG being loaded at the same time with GRF sprite, but before any non-sprite checking/loading stuff ? 10:42:28 <SmatZ> mmm gamelog? :-x 10:42:29 <TiberiusTeng> because you commited that fix in trunk, r13692 :p 10:42:46 <Rubidium> lol ;) 10:42:53 <Celestar> SmatZ: yeah, for example (we have other places too) 10:42:59 <Rubidium> Celestar: like where? 10:43:03 <peter1138> npf 10:43:11 <Celestar> Rubidium: like gamelog.cpp:120,324 10:43:23 <Rubidium> that's gamelog 10:43:28 <Rubidium> npf is guarded by ifdef 10:43:34 <Rubidium> and openttd.cpp is also gamelog 10:43:45 <TiberiusTeng> IMO if the PNG is used to replace some GRF sprites, it should be loaded when we actually try to load the GRF sprite ... 10:43:55 <TiberiusTeng> so I was wondering why spritecache.cpp doing that 10:43:59 <Celestar> Rubidium: good point :D 10:44:14 <TiberiusTeng> and I'm not really sure who to consult about these sprite stuff, actually. 10:44:16 <peter1138> yeah, the npf one is already guarded 10:44:30 <Rubidium> TiberiusTeng: I have no idea; I just forgot to set a variable in one exit case, don't know more about it than that I did forget it 10:44:39 <peter1138> so yes, it's safe to just ifndef them out 10:44:39 <Celestar> we also get a good buncho warnings (mostly empty if) with that flag. 10:44:57 <Celestar> k. want me to do this? 10:45:08 <Celestar> it'd feel good to make a commit :P 10:45:44 <peter1138> TiberiusTeng: Isn't the sprite only loaded the first time it is used, for both PNG and GRF sprites? 10:46:08 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:46:52 <Celestar> why isn't just DEBUG(gamelog,0) something being used there is the question ... 10:46:59 <TiberiusTeng> peter1138, yes, but seems if someone try to use a sprite as a non-sprite or vice versa, it'll get reloaded ... 10:47:07 <peter1138> :o 10:47:22 <TiberiusTeng> and that fix by Rubidium really fixed it, yes 10:47:51 <TiberiusTeng> (I was moving the entire PNG loading stuff below, above the place actually loading GRF sprite, and that worked too) 10:50:45 <Celestar> peter1138: http://www.fvfischer.de/ndebug.diff <= something like this? 10:52:02 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:57:26 <SmatZ> Celestar: you can #ifdef whole GamelogPrintDebugProc and GamelogPrintDebug 10:57:29 <SmatZ> I think 10:57:49 <Celestar> SmatZ: why not using DEBUG(gamelog,.. )= 10:57:51 <Celestar> ? 10:58:03 <SmatZ> Celestar: it prints only one line 10:58:10 <Celestar> aaand? 10:59:25 <SmatZ> GamelogPrintDebug() prints to debug output 11:00:50 <Celestar> SmatZ: does it print any message? 11:01:11 <Celestar> besides "gamelog" ? 11:04:09 <SmatZ> current solution saves calls to GamelogPrint when debug level is too low 11:04:32 <SmatZ> it can be changed to work in a different way 11:04:42 <Noldo> profile! 11:04:48 <SmatZ> so it is called every time with different debug level somewhere in a static variable 11:05:26 <SmatZ> no need to profile, the performance impact is near to zero 11:05:33 <Noldo> :) 11:06:04 *** fmauNeko is now known as fmauNekAway 11:06:37 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-26-82-230.nrth.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 11:14:20 <SmatZ> http://paste.openttd.org/31838 Celestar you could use this... 11:14:28 *** einKarl [~einKarl@91-65-196-232-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 11:17:23 *** shodan [user@ppp101-219.static.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 11:18:00 *** fmauNekAway is now known as fmauNeko 11:21:58 <SmatZ> Celestar, are you here? 11:23:23 <Celestar> yeah 11:23:24 <Celestar> sorry :P 11:24:08 <Celestar> SmatZ: what does the diff change? 11:25:20 <SmatZ> Celestar: it doesn't use _debug_gamelog_level anymore 11:25:46 <SmatZ> http://paste.openttd.org/31842 fixed :-P 11:25:48 <Celestar> well then, go for it? ;) 11:26:00 <SmatZ> mmm but it calls whole printing stuff 11:26:06 <SmatZ> with only muted output :-x 11:26:19 <SmatZ> what do others think? 11:26:39 <Celestar> methinks you should use DEBUG() :P 11:27:08 <SmatZ> methinks you are right :-P 11:35:12 *** TiberiusTeng_ [Tiberius@140.120.15.14] has joined #openttd 11:35:17 *** Mirrakor [~linuser@p57B2ED28.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:39:58 *** Volley [~worf@85.127.55.175] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:40:47 *** TiberiusTeng [~Tiberius@natpt-agent.cs.nchu.edu.tw] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:46:42 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80A22.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:46:42 *** yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:46:58 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 11:48:20 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8091A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:48:23 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 11:54:19 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:55:38 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 11:58:31 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 11:58:31 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:03:51 *** Rubidium [~Rubidium@rbijker.net] has quit [Server closed connection] 12:10:52 *** Klanticus [~Klanticus@189.35.184.72] has joined #openttd 12:12:46 *** Klanticus [~Klanticus@189.35.184.72] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:13:18 *** Klanticus [~Klanticus@201-43-142-122.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #openttd 12:13:40 *** TiberiusTeng_ [Tiberius@140.120.15.14] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:17:40 *** Rubidium [~Rubidium@rbijker.net] has joined #openttd 12:17:43 *** mode/#openttd [+o Rubidium] by ChanServ 12:23:09 *** Zeal [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:24:04 *** dih [~dih@members.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Server closed connection] 12:24:27 *** dih [~dih@members.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 12:29:10 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@user-54418bdb.lns1-c7.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:30:53 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@adsl-58.35.Static.ssp.fi] has quit [] 12:32:10 *** XeryusTC [~XeryusTC@members.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Server closed connection] 12:32:50 *** XeryusTC [~XeryusTC@members.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 12:36:48 *** TiberiusTeng [~Tiberius@sbt.idv.tw] has joined #openttd 12:37:36 *** Zealotus [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 12:48:42 <dih> ;-) 12:49:14 *** Doorslammer|BRSet [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-115-22.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #openttd 12:59:40 <Eddi|zuHause2> my RMB is broken :( 13:02:55 <Celestar> buy an apple 13:03:04 <blathijs> lol 13:06:37 <Eddi|zuHause2> very logical conclusion ;) 13:10:51 <dih> ;-) 13:14:04 *** TiberiusTeng [~Tiberius@sbt.idv.tw] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 13:18:02 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:18:05 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 13:37:00 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:58:36 *** shodan [user@ppp101-219.static.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Client Exiting] 14:06:04 <Ammler> peter1138's nice patch repo isn't available anymore :-( 14:07:08 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@5350C1D1.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 14:07:15 <peter1138> you've had weeks to get at it 14:07:57 <dih> lol 14:08:41 <SpComb> I set up my own hg repo, and have my friends clone from it whenever we play together 14:09:02 <SpComb> (assuming windows users are not my friends) 14:09:11 <dih> :-D 14:09:12 *** Priski [priski@xob.kapsi.fi] has quit [Server closed connection] 14:09:13 *** Priski [priski@xob.kapsi.fi] has joined #openttd 14:09:54 <Yexo> SpComb: hg works perfectly fine here under cygwin (and thus windows) :p 14:10:07 <SpComb> compiling is probably the main issue 14:10:16 <SpComb> or does BuildOTTD somehow solve that problem? 14:10:16 <Ammler> peter1138: just wanted someone to show your grf presets patch... 14:10:52 <Yexo> BuildOTTD will not work with a hg repo, but gcc is available under cygwin, so compiling isn't a problem 14:13:03 <Ammler> Yexo: gcc is availabe with BOTTD 14:13:14 <Ammler> (mingw) 14:14:05 <Yexo> well, then compiling shouldn't be a problem at all (assuming your friends are not afraid of the command line :p ) 14:14:45 <SpComb> installing cygwin is a bit of a pain 14:15:58 <Yexo> true, but after the installation I have access to most common unix commandline tools under windows 14:17:39 <fmauNeko> somebody can explain me the work around mercurial and svn ? 14:18:31 *** dlunch [~dlunch@61.108.29.49] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:18:31 <Yexo> what do you want to do with it? 14:23:37 *** Vessajono- [vessajono@nikita.tnnet.fi] has quit [Server closed connection] 14:23:41 *** Vessajono [vessajono@nikita.tnnet.fi] has joined #openttd 14:27:49 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@5350C1D1.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 14:30:12 *** Forked [~kjetil@savner.vdsl2.no] has joined #openttd 14:40:16 *** Bloody [blood@host-187-89.xdsl.telecet.ru] has joined #openttd 14:41:01 <Bloody> Where I can find OpenTTD for windows mobile 6.0? 14:41:32 <dih> in the forums 14:41:33 <glx> we don't make it 14:41:49 <dih> was a bad and wild guess 14:41:55 <Bloody> :( 14:52:22 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:52:22 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 14:53:38 *** Yexo_ is now known as yexo 15:00:09 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 15:04:47 *** Bloody [blood@host-187-89.xdsl.telecet.ru] has left #openttd [] 15:15:30 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm168.epsilon123.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:16:06 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 15:24:02 *** mikl [~mikl@cpe.ge-0-2-0-812.0x50c774be.boanqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 15:28:38 *** Doorslammer|BRSet [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-115-22.prem.tmns.net.au] has quit [] 15:31:51 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad3485a.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:03:56 *** fjb [~frank@p5485FCA9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:04:11 <fjb> Hello 16:06:39 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r13710 /branches/0.6/ (6 files in 4 dirs): [0.6] -Prepare: for 0.6.2-RC1. 16:13:36 <ArmEagle> man.. making your own catenary (32bpp zoom) takes a lot of fiddling around.. 16:15:30 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r13711 /tags/0.6.2-RC1/ (5 files in 3 dirs): -Release: 0.6.2-RC1. 16:20:03 <fjb> Did something change in the way the sounds get played? I'm getting distorted sounds sometimes and some sounds are not played at all. 16:20:17 <Eddi|zuHause2> making a catenary is easy: plot(cosh(x)) 16:20:23 <ArmEagle> heh 16:21:05 <ArmEagle> at least i have a script that does transformations on the base 3 images. 16:21:22 <planetmaker> !commit 13706 16:21:27 <planetmaker> @commit 13706 16:21:28 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: Commit by frosch :: r13706 trunk/src/mixer.cpp (2008-07-15 17:13:50 UTC) 16:21:29 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: -Fix (r13695): Small typo. 16:21:46 <planetmaker> ^ that should have fixed something with the sound if I understand correctly... 16:22:50 <fjb> planetmaker: Thank you. I'm using r13704... Time to make an upgrade... 16:23:03 <planetmaker> np 16:24:01 <planetmaker> http://hg.openttd.org:8000/trunk.hg/shortlog <-- I really love this site :). Tells you what's going on in an overview and with as much details as you want :P 16:25:46 <fjb> I know that site, but didn't look at it today. 16:26:05 <planetmaker> :) 16:27:16 <fjb> Next problem is that something eats the depot orders sometimes. Is that the autoupgrade of the vehicles? 16:30:16 <Eddi|zuHause2> i have that behaviour sometimes, i never figured out why 16:30:37 <Eddi|zuHause2> do you have servicing disabled? 16:31:20 <fjb> No, service and breakdowns are enabled. 16:36:20 <Eddi|zuHause2> the behaviour i noticed was: when i send a train to the depot manually, it sometimes would cancel that depot order and head its usual way 16:36:46 <fjb> planetmaker: Sounds much better now. 16:36:49 <Eddi|zuHause2> is your problem something similar? 16:38:21 <fjb> No, I hat especially roadvecles which dind't stay in the depot after sending them there. And I noticed depot orders of road vehicles and trains becoming invalid orders. 16:38:56 <fjb> And service at depot orders tend to send the vehicles allways to the depot. 16:39:15 <planetmaker> :) 16:39:26 <fjb> I'm using the latest yapp patch. But that things usually happen to road vehicles too. 16:41:38 <fjb> Hm, sound is still not allways playing... 16:43:43 <dih> i see DEF_UDP_RECEIVE_COMMAND(Server, PACKET_UDP_CLIENT_DETAIL_INFO) 16:43:52 <dih> but i seem to fail to find where the client receives it 16:45:04 <Rubidium> it receives it exactly there 16:45:38 <dih> no - that is where the server receives the packet and then sends Packet packet(PACKET_UDP_SERVER_DETAIL_INFO); 16:45:54 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad3485a.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 16:45:58 <dih> and the client needs to receive that packet 16:47:27 <dih> sorry - i did not express that properly above 16:47:42 <dih> i cannot fine where the client receives PACKET_UDP_SERVER_DETAIL_INFO 16:48:15 <Eddi|zuHause2> you're still making no sense :p 16:48:29 <dih> *find 16:48:30 <dih> :P 16:49:14 <Eddi|zuHause2> that's not even what i meant ;) 16:49:23 <dih> what's not to understand? :-P 16:49:35 <dih> client sends PACKET_UDP_CLIENT_DETAIL_INFO to the server 16:49:45 <dih> server replies with PACKET_UDP_SERVER_DETAIL_INFO 16:50:13 <dih> yet i cannot fine the piece of code where the client actually receives that PACKET_UPD_SERVER_DETAIL_INFO 16:50:16 <Rubidium> actually... PACKET_UDP_CLIENT_DETAIL_INFO isn't send 16:50:42 <dih> oh? 16:50:51 <dih> how else will the client request the details? 16:51:03 <Rubidium> via tcp I reckon 16:51:16 <dih> in the multiplayer window? 16:51:30 <Rubidium> yup 16:51:41 <dih> well - openttdlib sends a PACKET_UDP_CLIENT_DETAIL_INFO :-P 16:52:09 <dih> and PACKET_UDP_SERVER_DETAIL_INFO is the one that overflows when more than 11 clients are on a game 16:52:16 <dih> which asserts :-P 16:53:42 <Rubidium> I guess you need to unify the TCP and UDP packets; so if it works over TCP is also works over UDP 16:56:36 *** orudge` [orudge@pc.lan.owenrudge.net] has joined #openttd 16:56:37 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge`] by ChanServ 16:56:59 <dih> why on earth does that packet actually then exist? 16:57:10 <dih> i mean - i am happy - it means openttdlib can get more details 16:57:13 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051074179.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 16:57:20 <dih> but if the game actually does not use it? 16:57:32 <Rubidium> because someone had much more plans for the server list 16:57:39 <dih> ah 16:57:41 <dih> makes sense 16:57:42 <dih> ;-) 16:57:43 <Rubidium> but it never got actually implemented in the website 16:58:05 <dih> the master server code is also publicly available in the svn tree right? 16:58:12 <Rubidium> yes 16:58:25 <dih> then let's skip that here and get back to it another time ;-D 16:59:45 <dih> thank you for shedding light on that :-) 17:04:37 *** orudge [~orudge@owenrudge.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:07:28 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@81.171.98.107] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:07:38 *** HMage_ is now known as HMage 17:08:07 *** orudge` is now known as orudge 17:12:33 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590e43ae.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 17:15:56 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@user-54418bdb.lns1-c7.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:16:12 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad3485a.bb.sky.com] has quit [Quit: Annoy your roommate #11: Get a can of beans. 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Label them, "] 17:16:15 *** mikl [~mikl@0304ds2-ba.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 17:24:24 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad3485a.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 17:34:03 *** TrueBrain_DC [~marinusis@81.171.73.24] has joined #openttd 17:53:25 <TrueBrain_DC> You guys ever survived without openttd.org and tt-forums.net? :p 17:53:47 *** DorpsGek [truelight@openttd.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:54:12 * ln doesn't read tt-forums 17:54:29 <KingJ> I've still got my TTDLX DOS disk, just don't remove DosBox :) 17:56:06 <peter1138> tt-what? 17:59:02 <hylje> yea, what's that thing? 17:59:24 <hylje> from all i've heard it's just massively overrated 17:59:43 <TrueBrain_DC> hehe, good :) 17:59:47 <TrueBrain_DC> makes my job easier ;) Mwhahahaha :p 17:59:52 <TrueBrain_DC> have a good one all :) 17:59:56 <Eddi|zuHause2> what's a .org and a .net? 18:00:29 *** TrueBrain_DC [~marinusis@81.171.73.24] has left #openttd [] 18:00:49 <Eddi|zuHause2> what exactly is he up to? 18:01:14 <Prof_Frink> psychological warfare. 18:01:19 <yexo> Eddi|zuHause2: check the announcement on openttd.org :p 18:01:36 <Eddi|zuHause2> ... right :p 18:01:58 <yexo> the servers are moved to another datacenter 18:03:18 <DaleStan> frosch123: I did finally go digging in TTD and TTDPatch code concerning that bug you informed Lakie and me about. 18:04:04 <hylje> was it but a clever ruse? 18:04:53 <Eddi|zuHause2> i don't understand that sentence 18:19:06 *** Chrill [~chrischri@c80-216-64-31.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 18:19:39 <frosch123> DaleStan: Thanks, I read your FS post. Though I did not yet spend more time thinking about it. But when TTDP's solution already worked that long... The issue with cargo delivered to both industires and houses/towns looks rather unimportant to me as long as there are no available newgrfs affected. 18:20:44 <frosch123> Callback 148 might also be involved in the second issue. 18:24:37 <fjb> frosch123: Sound has still some problems, even after r13706. 18:25:28 <frosch123> fjb: Use "-s null -m null". Works quite nice for me :p 18:26:12 <fjb> :-P 18:28:09 <frosch123> Or to say it in another way: I have no clue about the sound stuff and will never notice problems as I very much dislike the sounds/music. I only fixed an obvious typo :) 18:35:34 *** Kommer_ [kommer@vestingbar.student.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 18:35:34 *** Kommer is now known as Guest1193 18:35:35 *** Kommer_ is now known as Kommer 18:36:20 *** mikl [~mikl@0304ds2-ba.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Quit: mikl] 18:36:47 *** Guest1193 [kommer@vestingbar.student.utwente.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:39:42 *** mikl [~mikl@0304ds2-ba.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 18:40:22 <Forked> huh 18:58:26 <Rubidium> fjb: I myself have no problems with the sound, so there's hardly anything I can fix 19:00:01 *** mikl [~mikl@0304ds2-ba.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:01:12 <fjb> Hm, some sounds are not played. Looks randomly. 19:01:28 <SmatZ> fjb: there are only 8 sound channels 19:05:43 <blathijs> w00t, Debian packages uploaded 19:08:21 <Rubidium> :O 19:09:27 <Prof_Frink> debbie'un? 19:11:30 <joachim> did the debian discussion on the openttd package lead to anything? 19:13:31 <blathijs> joachim: Yes, it's included in contrib since a year or so 19:14:06 <joachim> ok 19:14:17 <joachim> the debian mailing list is used as a reference in wikipedia to prove openttd's legality is disputed... 19:14:37 <joachim> i think that's against their source policy 19:14:50 <joachim> as a mailing list is pretty much open to anyone 19:15:24 <Eddi|zuHause2> and a wiki is different from that how exactly? 19:16:10 <joachim> Eddi|zuHause2: it's not, that's why they require reliable sources for whatever the wikiusers contribute 19:16:57 <joachim> another wiki (with no reliable source) is not a reliable source :) 19:17:16 <Prof_Frink> [citation needed] 19:17:23 <joachim> hehe 19:17:35 <Prof_Frink> as xkcd would say 19:19:14 * MorgyN puts [citation needed] on all your cats 19:19:18 <blathijs> joachim: The discussion didn't really lead anywhere, and about a year after the discussion, one of the ftpmasters turned out to be an openttd fan :-) 19:19:51 *** Nev [bleepy@5ad3485a.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 19:25:42 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad3485a.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:32:18 <Eddi|zuHause2> "disputed" is not the proper word anyway... it'd involve two parties with opposing views 19:38:28 <blathijs> Eddi|zuHause2: There were parties with opposing views on debian-legal back then 19:40:56 <ccfreak2k> 1. Buy your own .com. 19:41:07 <ccfreak2k> 2. Host a web page that says "The legality of OpenTTD is disputed." 19:41:13 <ccfreak2k> 3. Set that as your citation. 19:42:38 <Prof_Frink> http://thelegalityofopenttdisdisputed.com 19:43:06 <Chrill> oh Prof_Frink, that site is not an existing one 19:43:17 <Prof_Frink> We then 19:43:21 <Prof_Frink> It's not disputed 19:43:29 <Prof_Frink> s/We/Well/ 19:47:38 <peter1138> http://thelegalityofopenttdisnotdisputed.com/ 19:49:56 <MorgyN> tbh it will be disputed till its in a court of law or the IP owner goes Nope its fine. 19:50:00 <MorgyN> on the record 19:50:13 <Eddi|zuHause2> http://thestatusofthedisputednessofthelegalityofopenttdisinaquantumstate.com 19:50:40 <MorgyN> Schrodinger's TTD 19:51:14 <MorgyN> certainly better than Pavlov's TTD 19:51:27 <MorgyN> I rang bell, Train arrived at station.... 19:52:15 <Eddi|zuHause2> you meant: "*ding* *ding* *ding*" means "desync error" 19:52:31 *** GoneWacko [GoneWacko@86-60-147-155-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi] has joined #openttd 19:53:22 <Prof_Frink> No 19:53:36 <Prof_Frink> When you ring a bell, a train drives across a road 19:54:03 <Chrill> thus you must not be standing on the road 19:54:10 <glx> <Eddi|zuHause2> you meant: "*ding* *ding* *ding*" means "desync error" <-- not it's "connection lost" 19:57:32 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else.] 19:58:39 *** orudge_ [orudge@obiwan.lan.owenrudge.net] has joined #openttd 19:58:49 *** orudge_ [orudge@obiwan.lan.owenrudge.net] has quit [] 20:12:26 *** Aitor [~aitor@118.Red-213-97-221.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #openttd 20:14:35 *** Aitor [~aitor@118.Red-213-97-221.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [] 20:18:39 <Forked> tt-forums down or it just my isp acting up again.. 20:18:45 <Forked> I'll kick their asses, starting with my own :) 20:19:05 <yexo> it's down for a few hours 20:19:06 <Rubidium> tt-forums lies in the trunk of some car 20:19:14 <Forked> ahh 20:19:20 <Forked> no asskicking then :\ 20:21:45 <Eddi|zuHause2> why did you tell him, i'd totally have loved to see him kicking his as :p 20:27:37 <Prof_Frink> Forked: No, you can kick orudge 20:30:00 <dih> trallalla 20:30:56 *** fissanq [~dasf@users181.kollegienet.dk] has joined #openttd 20:31:34 <fissanq> can anyone play online ? 20:31:56 <glx> everyone can 20:32:03 <ln> dunno, but have you seen Bjarni over there? 20:32:06 <fissanq> hmm cant find eny servers 20:32:09 <Rubidium> only not now 20:32:10 <dih> no - the guy behind the bush in kenya cannot 20:32:23 <Rubidium> as the server containing the server list is being moved 20:32:24 <peter1138> I saw a guy called 'bjarni!' in TF2... 20:32:26 <glx> you can play, but you need to know the servers :) 20:32:35 <dih> Rubidium, you got my message? 20:32:39 <dih> *messages 20:32:40 <dih> :-P 20:32:49 <fissanq> anyone know any servers ? :o 20:33:04 <dih> 212.126.210.121:3979 20:33:15 <dih> ps.openttdcoop.org:3979 20:33:24 <Rubidium> yes, just haven't read them thoroughly 20:33:31 <dih> k 20:34:15 <fissanq> hmm those servers are not 0.6.1 20:34:18 <dih> nope 20:34:23 <dih> they are nightlies 20:34:33 <dih> visit nightly.openttd.org 20:34:50 <fissanq> which is down 20:34:52 <dih> or join the channels #openttdFairPlay and #openttdcoop respectively 20:34:58 <dih> oh :-P 20:36:02 <dih> perhaps this helps: http://209.85.135.104/search?q=cache%3Aservers.openttd.org 20:36:18 <dih> nope 20:36:25 <dih> i am trying to reach the google cache ;-P 20:39:07 <dih> fissanq, here try this: http://209.85.135.104/search?hl=de&gl=de&q=cache%3Awww.openttd.org%2Fservers.php 20:41:31 <fissanq> not working here 20:41:38 <fissanq> there it weas 20:44:46 <Forked> Prof_Frink: oh I can't kick orudge.. the forum is excellent :) 20:44:50 <orudge> also 20:44:53 <orudge> I have @, and you don't 20:44:53 <orudge> ;) 20:45:01 * Prof_Frink kicks orudge 20:45:41 <dih> run... your kick is not half has powerful as his 20:45:42 <dih> :-P 20:46:12 <Prof_Frink> Yeah, but orudge loves me. 20:46:18 <Rubidium> ieuw 20:47:35 <ln> i suppose openttd has been compiled on ARM? 20:47:56 <Rubidium> yes 20:48:15 <ln> ok, not much point in testing that then. 20:48:45 <Rubidium> and armel and mips(el) and sparc and s390 and alpha and hppa and m68k and 'the usual' stuff 20:49:51 *** mikl [~mikl@0304ds2-ba.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 20:51:20 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93-80-37-211.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:55:24 <ArmEagle> hmm tt-forums down? 20:55:43 <orudge> yes 20:55:45 <orudge> it's being moved 20:55:55 <ArmEagle> oh? 20:56:01 <dih> after the move it will be forums-tt 20:56:27 <orudge> well, that's a possibility, but no. :P 20:56:46 <ArmEagle> someone would have to register it first :) 20:57:40 <dih> ArmEagle, does not take that long 20:57:59 <dih> perhaps an hour or 2 depending where you register it 20:57:59 <ArmEagle> yeah 21:03:19 *** orudge- [~orudge@80.247.163.103] has joined #openttd 21:03:31 *** orudge [orudge@pc.lan.owenrudge.net] has quit [Quit: Goodbye.] 21:03:49 *** orudge- is now known as orudge 21:03:59 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 21:04:44 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F54BF7.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:05:04 *** _Andel_ [~andel@80.247.163.103] has joined #openttd 21:05:47 *** _Andel_ [~andel@80.247.163.103] has left #openttd [] 21:07:37 *** yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:07:49 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 21:09:45 *** DorpsGek [truelight@80.247.163.110] has joined #openttd 21:09:46 *** mode/#openttd [+o DorpsGek] by ChanServ 21:13:30 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:13:50 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 21:17:41 <dih> page is back up :-) 21:17:42 <dih> yay 21:19:00 * glx hates Yexo (if it's host says what I think it does) 21:19:27 * Yexo hates his wireless connection :( 21:19:50 <glx> I mean th ftth part 21:20:19 <Yexo> ah, that part is true :) 21:20:29 <Yexo> 100mbit internet :) 21:20:40 <glx> wifi is silly then :) 21:21:06 <Yexo> well, the router is in the basement, and I'm on the second floor 21:21:14 <glx> and? 21:21:35 <Yexo> my connection flips every few hours (or more) :( 21:22:02 <glx> it's always possible to use a cable (not aesthetic sometimes) 21:22:40 <Yexo> we had cables in here, but the house-owner wanted us to remove them because the fire-brigade said so 21:22:44 <Yexo> so that's not really an option 21:23:05 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590e43ae.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:23:31 <Yexo> (ok, the cables were all over the stairs :p) 21:24:56 <ArmEagle> Cool, your firedepartments check for trippyness? 21:25:17 <glx> I have a cable going from ground floor to 1st floor through basement and roof 21:25:22 <ArmEagle> dih what page? Forums still aren't 21:25:31 <Yexo> I've never seen them, but the houseowner told me so 21:25:40 <Rubidium> dih: the forums are there, but don't not quite work yet 21:25:40 <dih> servers.openttd.org? 21:25:49 <Rubidium> but only if you know what you're looking for ;) 21:25:50 <orudge> Forums will depend on your DNS updates 21:25:52 <ArmEagle> In 8 days I'll be here: campzone.nl. That's a lot more cables than anything you'll ever have at home :) 21:25:54 <orudge> http://80.247.163.112/ for the forums 21:25:57 <orudge> although you wont' be able to log in there 21:25:58 <orudge> *won't 21:26:19 <ArmEagle> ahh thanks 21:26:21 <Rubidium> yeah, that kinda times out the connection 21:29:07 <XeryusTC> ArmEagle: you're going to cz too? 21:29:32 *** mikl [~mikl@0304ds2-ba.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 21:30:24 <Ammler> why is that closed? http://bugs.openttd.org/task/2074 21:30:25 <ArmEagle> XeryusTC aye, I'm a veteran.. my 8th time. 10th time camping like this 21:30:39 <Ammler> it is not a bug report 21:30:51 <ArmEagle> And here I am, wasting time on my stupid 32bpp-zoom catenary.. 21:30:56 <XeryusTC> ArmEagle: very nice, it will be my 3rd time, i didnt go last year :P 21:31:08 <ArmEagle> heh, lucky you.. 21:31:15 <XeryusTC> i'm with the [BI] folks :P 21:31:16 <ArmEagle> We almost drowned.. 21:31:19 <Ammler> if I update it to HEAD, I need to open a new one? 21:31:25 <XeryusTC> we had that in 2005 too :P 21:31:49 <Ammler> isn't that kind of stupid? 21:31:51 <ArmEagle> neh.. not this bad: http://armeagle.nl/~armeagle/cz7/ (oh yeah, we had a bad start too) 21:32:25 <XeryusTC> btw, if you're going for the 8th time you must have been there the first time too? 21:32:30 <ArmEagle> yes 21:32:47 <ArmEagle> And 2 years before that we went to the predecessor: WAN (northern netherlands) 21:32:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> i almost thought when you said "cz" you were referring to the country :p 21:32:52 <ArmEagle> heh 21:33:07 <dih> Ammler: i doubt it needs updating :-P 21:33:15 <Yexo> Rubidium: the readme mentioned on the download page (http://www.openttd.org/readme.txt) still says 0.6.0-beta5 as release version 21:33:33 <Ammler> dih, is it in trunk? 21:33:37 <XeryusTC> ArmEagle: heh, my first time was just in 2005 :P 21:33:45 <dih> Ammler: no but that file never changes :-D 21:34:40 <XeryusTC> but well, as i've said, i'm going with the [BI] folks :P 21:34:46 <XeryusTC> should be fun 21:34:53 <Ammler> well, it is still stupid 21:35:06 <XeryusTC> unfortunately we werent able to find a solution for real time beer stats :( 21:35:30 <ArmEagle> heh that's an idea.. we should put some waterflow meter in there.. 21:35:49 <Ammler> (I mean the comment of closing...) 21:36:07 <dih> Ammler: the command has no hooks defined 21:36:18 <XeryusTC> ArmEagle: yes, but they're too expensive for something like that :P 21:36:23 <dih> and what happens if it's issued on a network server while clients are connected 21:36:27 <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah, we do have "resetengines" which basically serves the same purpose 21:36:45 <XeryusTC> and the cheap ones break too easily when you have air flowing through it :P 21:36:46 *** mikl [~mikl@0304ds2-ba.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 21:37:07 <Eddi|zuHause2> dih: but that was not the reason for closing 21:37:16 <dih> nope 21:37:30 <dih> the reason for closing is that there is no work on the current console 21:37:38 <Ammler> no 21:37:39 <dih> or no additions to the current console 21:37:47 <Ammler> the reason was "do not change GRF" 21:37:55 <dih> does? 21:38:01 <dih> oh 21:38:12 <dih> you mean - don't load a grf in a running game 21:38:15 <dih> yes - makes sense 21:38:52 <Eddi|zuHause2> the problem is that "running game" includes "scenario map with no industries yet" 21:38:54 <Ammler> yoricks patch has that hook you asked about, btw. :P 21:39:14 <dih> there are a few hooks... :-P 21:39:35 <dih> you should only allow it from scn editor, or single player 21:39:42 <dih> or even better 21:39:56 <dih> create a gui button in the scn editor 21:40:06 <Ammler> dih: I can't, it is closed! 21:40:07 <dih> then you dont need no console command and not hooks 21:40:22 <dih> do the work first 21:40:29 <dih> then show the patch 21:40:38 <dih> then you have a higher chance of getting it reopened 21:43:43 <Ammler> mÀh 21:43:48 <Ammler> :-) 21:44:44 <Ammler> but that means, you should not use FS to post patches... 21:44:56 <Ammler> only if you want those included in trunk 21:45:42 <Ammler> I thought, it is also something like a repo for patches... 21:48:13 <dih> yeah - because bugs.openttd.org says randompatchrepository.openttd.org 21:48:14 <dih> :-P 21:49:32 <ccfreak2k> One person made an online "patch vending machine" for fceu once. 21:49:54 <ccfreak2k> You could mix and match several patches/options, then it spit out the patched binary and/or source. 21:50:56 <Ammler> then sorry about, will use tt-forums next time.. :-) 21:54:49 <dih> :-P 21:55:14 <dih> if you really want people to look at it, bugs or here :-P 21:56:13 <Ammler> well, was just happy about closing, but as I saw the reason... 21:56:14 *** fjb [~frank@p5485FCA9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:56:29 *** xahodo [~xahodo@xahodo.demon.nl] has joined #openttd 22:01:27 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@5350C1D1.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 22:11:38 *** einKarl [~einKarl@91-65-196-232-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:15:15 *** Klanticus [~Klanticus@201-43-142-122.dsl.telesp.net.br] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 22:20:35 *** Lakie` [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 22:26:59 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:33:34 *** curson [~curzon@79-69-76-19.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:35:29 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@80.247.163.107] has joined #openttd 22:38:44 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:38:47 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 22:39:47 <Ammler> what about calling those functions (reseteconomy and resetengines) with the apply button on the GRF GUI? 22:45:30 *** Rich [~Zephyris@user-3e88cb65.tcl119.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:48:50 *** Lakie` is now known as Lakie 22:49:57 <Ammler> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=709606#p709606 22:55:20 *** curson [~curzon@79-69-0-221.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 22:56:33 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host217-44-86-192.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 22:57:08 *** curson [~curzon@79-69-0-221.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has left #openttd [] 22:57:18 *** curson [~curzon@79-69-0-221.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 22:57:19 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 22:57:55 <Eddi|zuHause2> Ammler: no, why would you do that, when just reordering the catenary grf? 22:58:25 <Eddi|zuHause2> especially if the command can have nasty sideeffects with inflation 22:58:27 <Ammler> but it is the right place, if you do it over gui, isn't? 22:59:15 <Ammler> you could detect, if you add a grf or just reorder... 23:00:06 <Eddi|zuHause2> don't even attempt that.. 23:00:59 <Ammler> well, the sideeffect is not nasty 23:01:09 <Ammler> it will "just" reset inflation. 23:01:28 <Ammler> afaik :-) 23:01:43 <Eddi|zuHause2> that is totally enough of a reason to not do it 23:02:10 <Ammler> well, ctrl+click isn't good either. 23:02:42 <Ammler> so it would need a 2. apply or reset button... 23:05:42 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause2: do you know how devs like that newgrf gui patch in general? 23:06:07 <Ammler> the drag'n'drop is awesome. 23:06:13 <Eddi|zuHause2> the only real concern was the size, afaik 23:06:51 <Eddi|zuHause2> but you should probably ask the devs :p 23:07:02 <Ammler> I really enjoed the wwottdgd configuration with it. 23:07:17 *** Nev [bleepy@5ad3485a.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:07:17 <Ammler> they seems silent currently :-) 23:07:48 <Eddi|zuHause2> you just need to highlight them enough times :p 23:08:00 <Ammler> :-P 23:08:01 <Eddi|zuHause2> and nag about it :p 23:08:13 <Ammler> nah, I do that enough all the time... 23:08:32 <Eddi|zuHause2> they'll have no other choice than to reply to you :p 23:08:46 <Ammler> :-D 23:09:15 <Ammler> we have quite a nice collection for our client side patch pack already. 23:10:20 <Ammler> I do not need to push patches, which can be used independent from server... 23:11:13 <Ammler> and planetmaker is going to be a pro with keeping those patches up2date :-) 23:12:27 <Ammler> I would much more like to see the rivers in the game, if I could wish :-) 23:13:12 <Eddi|zuHause2> the design document is there, you just have to implement it :p 23:13:34 <Ammler> nah, I am happy with adding the button, like TTDPatch. 23:15:15 <Ammler> I can't code new things, just copy from somewhere else... 23:17:04 *** birdspider [~birdspide@chello062178009208.4.11.tuwien.teleweb.at] has joined #openttd 23:21:43 <Ammler> well, time to sleep over... 23:21:46 <Ammler> goog night all 23:21:55 *** elmex [~elmex@e180064208.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:22:33 <Gekz> goog night. 23:28:19 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CB64.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:29:04 *** fissanq [~dasf@users181.kollegienet.dk] has quit [] 23:33:48 *** Chrill [~chrischri@c80-216-64-31.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [] 23:35:12 *** curson [~curzon@79-69-0-221.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:48:31 *** michael_ [~linuser@p57B2E9DE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:55:21 *** Mirrakor [~linuser@p57B2ED28.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:56:41 *** xahodo [~xahodo@xahodo.demon.nl] has quit [Quit: Goodbye.]