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00:01:26 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 00:02:54 <glx> for saveload code 00:05:48 <SmatZ> it doesn't work for unions iirc 00:07:08 <SmatZ> hmm no 00:07:14 *** De_Ghosty [~s@69-196-147-53.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 00:07:39 <SmatZ> maybe too 00:14:47 <TrueBrain> fjb: sorry fjb, I was trying to pick up a girl .. kind of succeeded ;) Now it is time to get some sleep ;) 00:18:59 <Tekky> glx,SmatZ: I replaced cpp_offsetof with the ANSI offsetof macro and it works perfectly. However, I see that Microsoft Visual C++ implements this macro nearly the same way as OpenTTD does :) 00:19:37 *** nappe1 [ohj8laka@adsl-109-202-79.kymp.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:21:02 <Tekky> So I guess there is little point in removing this ugly hack..... :) 00:32:51 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B773F3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:33:20 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B774EF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:38:12 <fjb> TrueBrain: Never mind. Have fun with the girl. 00:38:21 <fjb> Good night. 00:39:05 *** fjb [~frank@p5485C814.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:41:50 <SmatZ> congrats TrueBrain :) 01:04:03 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-36.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: bbl] 01:15:55 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.21 :: www.esnation.com )] 01:31:19 *** jni [~geetee@cs181040004.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:39:51 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has quit [Quit: http://www.interplay.com/] 01:52:11 *** Wezz6400 [wessel@145-118-111-36.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 02:02:38 *** Wezz6400 [wessel@145-118-111-36.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:15:04 *** Frostregen_ [~sucks@dslb-084-058-130-250.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 02:20:46 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-153-132.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:21:13 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 02:23:58 *** michi_cc [93c035f824@dude.icosahedron.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:31:40 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has quit [Quit: Quit] 03:02:55 *** elmex_ [~elmex@e180069024.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 03:03:33 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has quit [] 03:07:32 *** elmex [~elmex@e180067043.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:07:51 *** elmex_ is now known as elmex 03:09:34 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:18:03 *** Tekky [~chatzilla@p5493C5D4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.1/2008070208]] 03:26:38 *** nicfer [~Administr@168.226.104.35] has joined #openttd 03:27:17 <nicfer> one question, will work the opengfxcr.grf and opengfxhr.grf on 0.6.2? 03:31:48 <DaleStan> nicfer: Try it and see? 03:32:33 <OdwallaBongwater> staledan 03:33:25 <nicfer> oh, if I rename them like the original files I get the 'Wrong GRF files' error but it works anyway 04:08:00 *** De_Ghosty [~s@69-196-147-53.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:08:10 *** De_Ghosty [~s@76-10-162-14.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 04:23:33 *** Osai^zZz is now known as Osai 04:28:34 *** nicfer [~Administr@168.226.104.35] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:28:50 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:31:38 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has joined #openttd 04:36:00 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm40.epsilon123.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 04:43:46 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:44:04 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has joined #openttd 04:57:25 *** Reemo [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0CF37.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: http://www.lagerwiki.de - das Wiki rund um's Thema Lager und Logistik] 05:03:38 *** jni [~geetee@cs181040004.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 06:09:33 *** Sir-Bob [~chatzilla@c122-107-227-146.eburwd5.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 06:09:53 <peter1138> Rubidium, ComposeWaypointStation() 06:14:35 *** Sir-Bob [~chatzilla@c122-107-227-146.eburwd5.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.1/2008070208]] 06:15:04 <peter1138> Hmm, can't see any variable used that would be uninitialized. 06:36:30 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 06:43:06 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:44:35 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has joined #openttd 07:03:46 *** Sir-Bob [~chatzilla@c122-107-227-146.eburwd5.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 07:06:10 *** mikl [~mikl@cpe.ge-0-2-0-812.0x50c774be.boanqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 07:08:59 *** reldred|gone is now known as reldred 07:11:33 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-115-157.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #openttd 07:20:31 *** michi_cc [5a41a375b0@dude.icosahedron.de] has joined #openttd 07:20:34 *** mode/#openttd [+v michi_cc] by ChanServ 07:22:23 *** reldred is now known as reldred|gone 07:29:21 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:30:27 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has joined #openttd 07:36:40 *** roboboy [3aad2910@67.207.141.120] has joined #openttd 07:37:38 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5DF92.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 07:41:30 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@user-54470bf2.wfd82a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 07:41:35 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@129.187.69.65] has joined #openttd 07:44:33 * roboboy hopes cargodest will compile this time 07:45:47 <roboboy> I pointed visual studio to my boost folder for includes and it did not include it 07:48:04 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-115-157.prem.tmns.net.au] has quit [] 07:51:52 *** roboboy [3aad2910@67.207.141.120] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 07:57:40 <Kloopy> Celestar: I just got a crash on the cargodests binary build. I was looking at a treeview window and just as I went to click, the last passenger was loaded on to a train. When I clicked my mouse, it was on the space where the + was just showing before. It crashed as soon as I clicked. 07:57:52 <Kloopy> Celestar: Good morning, too. :)) 08:06:24 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-2-131-220.manc.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 08:07:10 *** roboboy [3aad2910@67.207.141.120] has joined #openttd 08:07:43 *** roboboy [3aad2910@67.207.141.120] has quit [] 08:13:28 *** Farden [~jk3farden@ram94-7-82-232-189-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 08:14:28 *** roboboy [3aad2910@67.207.141.120] has joined #openttd 08:14:28 *** roboboy [3aad2910@67.207.141.120] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:15:29 *** roboboy [3aad2910@67.207.141.120] has joined #openttd 08:18:20 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 08:18:20 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:18:23 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 08:19:26 <Celestar> Kloopy: heh ok 08:19:39 <Celestar> I'll check it over the weekend 08:22:29 <Kloopy> Cool :) 08:25:18 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 08:26:38 * roboboy wonders what has changed in the new version of cargodest 08:28:37 <TrueBrain> code 08:29:53 <peter1138> Hmm, I wonder if any replacement graphics set would use its own palette... 08:30:29 <Celestar> interesting 08:30:48 * Celestar looks at the advantages of "fixed track" vs. conventional sleeper-based tracks 08:31:29 <peter1138> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bf/Feste_Fahrbahn_FFBögl.jpg/400px-Feste_Fahrbahn_FFBögl.jpg < Like that? 08:31:36 * TrueBrain looks at his breakfast 08:31:37 <Celestar> peter1138: something like that 08:31:46 <Celestar> according to the DB, fixed track costs less than 10% in maintenance 08:32:00 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:42:48 <Rubidium> peter1138: ComposeWaypointStation can't be the cause of the missing waypoints 08:43:01 <Rubidium> as no newgrf stuff is called at that time 08:43:34 <Celestar> :o The Velaro took 25 minutes for 118km on a test run in China 08:44:00 <Celestar> average speed of 283km/h 08:44:56 * roboboy hopes this time cargodest compiles 08:45:10 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 08:45:10 <roboboy> !logs 08:45:24 <TrueBrain> [09:44] * roboboy hopes cargodest will compile this time 08:45:31 <TrueBrain> [10:45] * roboboy hopes this time cargodest compiles 08:45:33 <TrueBrain> I smell a bot :p 08:46:12 <roboboy> nopes 08:46:29 <roboboy> ive been trying to compile it a few times 08:46:34 <TrueBrain> ;0 08:46:35 <TrueBrain> ;) 08:46:38 <roboboy> and its failed everytime 08:46:46 <roboboy> with boost 08:46:58 <TrueBrain> took me 2 minutes to set up MSVC to understand where Boost was 08:47:06 <roboboy> It isnt including boost 08:47:32 <roboboy> Ive tried adding boost to the include folders list and it didnt seem to like it 08:48:05 <roboboy> ive tried sticking it in the visual studio include dir 08:48:18 <roboboy> otherwise I have no idea how to fix it 08:48:37 <TrueBrain> I just put it in the include-dir the rest of my shit was in .. and that was enough 08:52:13 *** shodan [user@ppp101-219.static.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 08:52:53 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: matthijs * r14241 /trunk/os/debian/changelog: -Fix [Debian]: Remove an extra ~ in the Debian version. 08:54:02 <Forked> same thing I did with it in mingw32 08:54:54 <blathijs> TrueBrain: It's annoying that the listing of revisions on binaries.openttd.org is not sorted usefully... 08:56:01 <TrueBrain> blathijs: we know; the new site will solve that for you :) 08:56:10 <TrueBrain> (binaries isn't for direct access ;)) 08:57:44 <roboboy> no erors so far its sitting at linking and generating code 08:57:44 <TrueBrain> oeh, time to do some studying .. bbl :) 08:57:46 *** fjb [~frank@p5485C814.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:57:53 <fjb> Hello 09:01:12 * Celestar wonders whether any high-speed track in Europe reaches break even 09:03:45 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 09:07:44 <Celestar> New track Nuremburg-Erfurt: Expected cost: 5 billion EUR, expected annual income 40 million EUR. It takes 125 YEARS to pay off :o 09:08:16 <peter1138> Hehe 09:08:26 <peter1138> Is that subsidised? 09:08:53 <Celestar> peter1138: there is no railway system in Europe that isn't heavily subsidised, at least no when it comes to transporting passengers 09:09:30 <Celestar> Bringing the travel time from Munich to Berlin from 8 hours (1992) to 4 hours (2018) costs around 12 billion EUR. 09:09:31 <peter1138> I mean the costs and incomes. 09:09:39 <Celestar> peter1138: net costs and incomes. 09:10:11 <Celestar> if you want this to pay off in 50 years, You'd need 240 million bucks in income per year. 09:10:23 <Celestar> That's 650000 EUR per day 09:10:46 <roboboy> hm my compile has not moved from linking and generating code 09:10:57 <Celestar> considering an average round trip price of 200 EUR, That'd be 3300 passengers per day. 09:11:11 <Celestar> (1.2 million passengers annually) 09:11:14 * roboboy wonders if he should cancle it and look at the log 09:11:48 <roboboy> or shall I leave it to go for a bit longer 09:11:55 <peter1138> Hmm 09:12:03 <peter1138> 3300 passengers per day doesn't seem excessive. 09:12:32 <Celestar> peter1138: no, that's a bit less than the airlines have on the route 09:13:10 <Celestar> But: 1) with 4 hours, only about half the passengers will switch to the train, and 2) that's only construction cost. 09:13:20 <Celestar> no maintenance, no staff, no rolling stock 09:14:47 <Celestar> peter1138: MUC-BER (airlines) have about 4000 passengers per day (average) 09:15:06 <Celestar> MUC-HAM almost 5000 09:15:29 <Celestar> MUC-LON 3000 (= 09:15:52 *** Yexo [~Yexo@dhcp-077-248-065-055.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:16:26 *** Yexo [~Yexo@dhcp-077-248-065-055.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 09:20:35 <roboboy> yey it compiled 09:21:18 <roboboy> I wont download the latest source yet though as im on average over my download limit for the month 09:23:55 <blathijs> TrueBrain: Ah, right :-) 09:25:44 <fjb> Oh, cool, somebody doesn't find the "My Documents" folder on his Vista PC. 09:27:05 <peter1138> Woo, new phone... 09:27:29 <Celestar> ? 09:28:06 <peter1138> Switched from a 7940 to a 7971. 09:28:19 <peter1138> Useful as the screen is now backlit. 09:28:47 <Celestar> I see 09:44:20 <Celestar> http://www.railwaygazette.com/uploads/media/RailwayGazetteWorldSpeedSurvey2007_02.pdf 09:44:23 <Celestar> interesting (= 09:54:33 *** Yexo [~Yexo@dhcp-077-248-065-055.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:55:18 *** Yexo [~Yexo@dhcp-077-248-065-055.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 09:55:25 <Ammler> fjb: hasn't vista the location independent of localization? 09:56:22 <peter1138> Pardon? 09:56:33 <peter1138> It's C:\Users\ for me. 09:57:01 <fjb> Don't know, but you should be able to find the directory where your documents are stored. 09:57:13 <Ammler> ha, not that easy 09:57:48 <Ammler> it is c:\Users but in germany you won't find that in the explrer 09:57:58 <Ammler> where it is called Benutzer or something like that 09:59:03 <Ammler> dunno, if it is easier now :-) 10:00:45 <Forked> %userprofile%\..\ 10:00:46 <Forked> :p 10:05:09 <Brianetta> [10:08] <Celestar> peter1138: there is no railway system in Europe that isn't heavily subsidised, at least no when it comes to transporting passengers 10:05:20 <Brianetta> Celestar: Tyne & Wear Metro pays for itself from fares alone 10:06:05 <Celestar> Brianetta: sorry .. I mean no high-speed-long-distance railway system 10:07:18 <Celestar> I'm pretty sure local, high capacity railways can be quite profitable 10:12:03 <Brianetta> Actually, Tyne & Wear is mostly alone in this 10:12:14 <Brianetta> It's an example that railways can fund themselves 10:12:46 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-115-157.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #openttd 10:12:53 <Brianetta> They are asking for government help to replace their rolling stock in 2020 10:13:09 <Brianetta> but generally, they're self sufficient 10:14:15 <Brianetta> also: 10:14:19 <Brianetta> http://www.nexus.org.uk/wps/wcm/connect/Nexus/Nexus/News/News+archive/2008/Nexus+news+-+Metro+sets+new+record+for+running+trains+on+time. 10:14:31 <Brianetta> "Metro sets new record for running trains on time." 10:14:42 <Brianetta> Not that you couldn't glean that from the URL. 10:15:24 <Celestar> The TGV Est has a scheduled AVERAGE speed of 280km/h from Lorraine to Champagne :o 10:15:24 <Brianetta> Bear in mind that T&W Metro isn't a franchise operator; they're just comparing themselves favourbaly with them 10:16:24 <Celestar> the Bayerische Oberlandbahn is apparently also self-sufficient 10:16:57 <Brianetta> Makes one wonder what the overhead is 10:17:08 <Celestar> overhead of what? (= 10:17:49 <Brianetta> Clearly, Beeching-like cuts aren't necessary to improve profitability (he'd have chopped half the Tyne & Wear stations, if they'd been around, and he wanted to axe the branch line it replaces) 10:18:21 <Celestar> Brianetta: no 10:18:31 <Celestar> Brianetta: competition and a basic sense of market economy is needed 10:18:38 <Brianetta> The big industrial revolution companies showed that railways could be private and profitable 10:19:12 <Brianetta> They had competition, but not as much as you might think. There really was only one way to get from London to Newcastle. 10:19:57 <Brianetta> Trouble with railways in Britain is that there's an outsourcing culture 10:20:06 <Celestar> if I offer the customers an 6h-ticket from Munich to Berlin for 220 EUR round trip, and the airline wants the same price for a 1-hour flight, I have a problem. 10:20:11 <Brianetta> Why do something yourself if you can pay some other company to do it? 10:20:34 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1EAEA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:20:46 <Celestar> Brianetta: the question should be: why pay something your self if you can make the taxpayers pay it 10:20:52 <Brianetta> Airlines charging like that will be lucky to continue operating more than ten years 10:21:10 <Celestar> Brianetta: 220 EUR for Munich-Berlin is expensive 10:21:19 <Celestar> I've been on the route for half that price 10:21:22 <dih> Brianetta: http://www.tcl.tk/man/tcl8.5/TclCmd/dict.htm 10:21:23 <dih> :-) 10:21:25 <Brianetta> It's comparable to our top fares 10:21:37 <Rubidium> Celestar: ofcourse the plane takes off at the moment and place you want to enter (like central Munich) it and lands at the destination you need to be (like central Berlin) 10:21:45 <Brianetta> Newcastle to London, if you buy the ticket that morning, is a £140 return ticket 10:21:55 <Celestar> Rubidium: I don't live on the station either. 10:22:02 <Brianetta> If you buy in advance, you *might* be able to get two £19 singles 10:22:10 <Celestar> Rubidium: plus 6 hour gives me 5 hours time ahead 10:22:17 <roboboy> where are the lang files placed after a compile 10:22:49 <Celestar> roboboy: search for .lng?= 10:22:54 <dih> lang/ ? 10:23:02 <Brianetta> Last time I used an aeroplane, the 40 minute flight required check-in at least an hour in advance. 10:23:08 <roboboy> i geese that will do 10:23:22 <Celestar> Rubidium: I need 1.5 hours overhead using a plane compared to a train. 10:23:28 <Brianetta> *and* I couldn't take some stuff. 10:23:34 <Celestar> thus, the Train should be no more than 2 hours slower for the trip 10:23:40 <Brianetta> Can't take a bottle of pop 10:23:57 <Brianetta> Can't take my PC tools 10:23:59 <Celestar> results: Munich-Berlin should take around 3 hours. Which results in an average speed of less than 200km/h. This should be doable. 10:24:21 <Brianetta> Well, I can if I check in luggage, but that adds another hour 10:24:32 <Celestar> but sorry, 5.5 hours is ridiculous. 10:24:36 <Celestar> for a 580km route 10:25:03 <Brianetta> It's the same as the UK 10:25:04 <Celestar> bring that to 3, or 3.5 hours, and they have my business. 10:26:43 <Celestar> but the relation price<->trip time isn't right. 10:26:45 <Celestar> not for 220 EUR 10:26:59 <Rubidium> yeah, 220 euros is too much 10:27:29 <Celestar> Rubidium: not for 3 hours. 10:27:33 <Celestar> for almost 6, yes 10:27:47 <Celestar> ok there ARE cheaper railway tickets 10:27:54 <Celestar> but then you're bound to a special train 10:28:01 <Celestar> and can't use whichever you want 10:28:47 <Celestar> DB has managed to abolish everything that gave them an advantage over airlines: Large tables, compartments, a simple fare system and utmost flexibility for the customers. 10:29:05 <Rubidium> Celestar: maybe I'm spoiled by the Japanese system 10:29:38 <Celestar> Today, you sit cramped with 200 other people in a thin aluminum tube, have a stupid table in front of you which is unsuitable for work, have a fare system that no one understands are are mostly bound to a single train with your ticket. 10:29:58 <Celestar> They have REALLY managed what they always advertised: "Flying at level 0".. yeah 10:30:15 <Celestar> thing is: When the train "flies" at 100km/h, no one is interested 10:30:59 <Celestar> well what do you expect. the CEO was a for executive of Airbus ;) 10:31:02 <Celestar> former* 10:31:43 <TrueBrain> the most boring class ever ... a chinese trying to talk english, which of course is totally un-understandable .. 10:32:49 <Celestar> heheh 10:33:47 <TrueBrain> and I want an iphone, but my contract isn't expired yet .. what does a person have to do to make that happen :( 10:34:12 <Rubidium> Celestar: in Japan you can take all JR trains except the fastest Shinkansens in a single week for a mere 180 euro (only for foreigners though); difference between fastest and the rest is 1 hour on a 6 hour 1200 km trip. A single for the fastest costs 142.50 euro and for the slower one 138.70 euro 10:35:30 <Rubidium> and JR's route planner says that by plane it takes you 4 hours (with 30 minutes checkin and checkout) for 240 euros 10:36:18 <Rubidium> (though as foreigner you could do that trip by plane for less than 100 euros) 10:37:06 <Rubidium> Celestar, therefor: 220 euros is expensive for a ICE at regional speeds 10:39:46 <Rubidium> cheapest for that trip is 86.80 euro which takes you 27.5 hours (of which 6 hours is waiting because regular trains don't run at night) 10:41:35 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: a) stop paying, b) send them a letter that you died and would like to cancel the agreement 10:42:05 *** Ammler is now known as DevServer 10:42:28 <Rubidium> and Chinese people trying to talk English can be understood, though you need to hear enough of their "English" to properly understand they dialect 10:42:39 *** DevServer is now known as Ammler 10:42:49 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: euh .. I am not ready yet to consider myself past way 10:43:38 <Rubidium> and why do you want an iPhone? 10:43:53 <Rubidium> because you like apple so much? 10:43:53 <TrueBrain> because it is much much better than this crappy Windows Mobile 5 I currently own 10:44:23 <Celestar> Rubidium: I liked using SKS in Japan 10:44:35 <Celestar> Rubidium: especially the 3-minute intervals Tokyo - Shin-Osaka 10:45:08 <Celestar> Rubidium: Yeah I heard about JR Rail Pass. 10:45:42 <Celestar> Rubidium: but we had tickets for the ã®ãã¿ which takes 2h30 10:45:46 <Rubidium> the only bad thing about Japanese railways is that there isn't a single "prepaid" card that works for all of them 10:45:55 <Rubidium> the Hikari? 10:45:58 <Celestar> Nozomi 10:46:21 <Celestar> I thought the Rail Pass works on the Hikaris? 10:46:29 <Rubidium> it does 10:47:25 <Rubidium> but nozomis are faster than hikaris (or whatever other name they can imagine) 10:47:32 <Celestar> yes 10:47:52 <Celestar> The new Nozomis (with tilting) are down to 2h25 for Toyko-Shin Osaka 10:48:03 <Rubidium> yeah, those are nice 10:48:52 <Rubidium> too bad the track ShinOsaka-Hakata (westbound from Osaka) isn't perfectly straight, so you have some "turbulence" on the way 10:49:17 <Celestar> yeah 10:49:25 <Celestar> ever went Frankfurt-Köln? 10:49:32 <Rubidium> nope 10:49:39 <Celestar> it's Germany's only serious high-speed rail. 10:49:45 *** davis- [~asd@p5B28BAE8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:49:47 <Celestar> but it's classified as "Steep Track" 10:50:00 <Celestar> no other European Train than the ICE3 can go there because of the slope 10:50:05 <Celestar> it feels like a roller-coaster (= 10:50:43 <Celestar> plus it has rather low curve radii for 300km/h 10:50:54 *** Ammler is now known as DevServer 10:51:17 <Celestar> 3300m 10:51:23 <Celestar> normally 300km/h rails have 4000m 10:51:35 *** DevServer is now known as Ammler 10:51:39 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-179-60.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 10:51:39 <Rubidium> only Berlin-Hengelo (and some smaller stuff near Berlin) 10:52:14 <Rubidium> Celestar: ShinKobe-Hiroshima is also a rollercoaster with flashing lights (the amount of tunnels is really enormous) 10:53:05 <roboboy> yey my openttd cargodest compile worked 10:53:19 <roboboy> it has a revision of rev000 though 10:53:46 <Celestar> Rubidium: Ebensfeld-Erfurt (if EVER built) will have >50% tunnels 10:54:25 <roboboy> is that what the revision for a self compiled cargodest should be? 10:54:53 <Celestar> h05a5279f 10:55:54 <roboboy> h05a5279f is the one I compiled 10:56:21 <Rubidium> roboboy: did you use mercurial to make your local repository or did you download some source zip? 10:57:03 <roboboy> source zip of binaries.openttd.org/custom/cargodest 10:57:08 <roboboy> off 10:57:34 <Rubidium> there goes any hope of OpenTTD properly detecting the revision as that information isn't stored anywhere in that zip 10:57:46 <roboboy> ok 10:58:04 <roboboy> does it matter that it doesnt have a revision number? 10:58:20 <Rubidium> if you just want to play with it locally not really 10:58:36 <roboboy> ok 10:58:48 <Ammler> roboboy: you might join us at our MP test game :-) 10:59:12 <roboboy> I can join later tomorrow night ausie time 10:59:14 <Ammler> ./configure --revision=h05a5279f 10:59:55 <roboboy> im using MSVC. Will ./configure work? 11:00:03 <Ammler> no idea... 11:00:13 <roboboy> ill try 11:00:19 <Ammler> but I am sure, it has something similar 11:00:25 <roboboy> what version is the game runing 11:00:41 <Ammler> the one you downloaded 11:00:46 <roboboy> ok good 11:01:01 <roboboy> not the new one 11:01:13 <Ammler> there is a newer? 11:02:01 <Ammler> it is the newest from binaries.openttd.org 11:02:05 <roboboy> http://binaries.openttd.org/custom/cargodest/h05a5279f/ 11:02:33 <roboboy> the september one 11:02:51 <roboboy> ah as I compiled the last august one 11:03:53 <Ammler> just join #openttdcoop.dev and check topic :-) 11:04:08 * roboboy will write a batch script to move all the openttd files once compiled to a single folder 11:07:30 <Ammler> roboboy: use make 11:07:49 <Ammler> make bundle 11:08:50 *** reldred|gone is now known as reldred 11:09:07 <roboboy> ok 11:10:10 <roboboy> gnight 11:15:01 *** roboboy [3aad2910@67.207.141.120] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 11:15:35 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 11:26:20 *** Sir-Bob [~chatzilla@c122-107-227-146.eburwd5.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:29:48 <Celestar> bah 11:29:55 <Celestar> I need to find a way to dump all the caches into a file 11:30:10 <peter1138> To compare? 11:30:36 <Celestar> peter1138: to compare between server and client 11:31:00 <peter1138> Still got desync problems? :( 11:31:12 <Celestar> peter1138: very rare ones, but they do exist 11:31:30 * peter1138 ponders making invalid pseudo sprite lengths fatal too... 11:31:36 <Celestar> peter1138: we basically have them since the destination cache. 11:33:02 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 11:34:01 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 11:34:40 <Celestar> hm 11:34:49 <Celestar> but I'm desyncing after a reset of the routing system as well 11:35:11 <Celestar> we didn't have those problems in the previous test without newgrfs 11:37:45 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@bib-theater33.hku.nl] has joined #openttd 11:38:03 *** fjb [~frank@p5485C814.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:43:46 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:46:07 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has joined #openttd 11:48:34 *** fjb [~frank@p5485FFF9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:07:42 *** Sir_Bob [~chatzilla@c122-107-216-160.eburwd5.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 12:14:37 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:16:28 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has joined #openttd 12:21:54 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 12:32:31 *** Sir_Bob [~chatzilla@c122-107-216-160.eburwd5.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:37:43 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:37:45 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:44:56 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:45:48 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has joined #openttd 12:46:54 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:48:50 *** Gekz_ is now known as Gekz 12:53:35 *** grumbel [~grumbel@i577AC4DD.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 12:56:58 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-213-249-187-179.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:08:17 *** selle [~s@g221.ip7.netikka.fi] has quit [Quit: brownies] 13:09:47 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 13:12:23 <Belugas> hello in there 13:12:29 <murray> hello out there 13:14:03 *** reldred is now known as reldred|gone 13:15:41 <dih> hello all over 13:18:22 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:20:34 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has joined #openttd 13:26:15 *** cMircea [Madkiller@79.117.168.87] has joined #openttd 13:28:30 <cMircea> hello 13:35:38 *** cMircea [Madkiller@79.117.168.87] has left #openttd [What? WAIT noooo don't pull that pl...] 13:38:28 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@bib-theater33.hku.nl] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 13:41:38 <Celestar> peter1138: I'll need help debugging the desyncs at some point ... 13:41:44 <Celestar> !playercount 13:41:44 *** Celestar was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [Wrong channel. Retry in #openttdcoop.] 13:41:52 <davis-> lol 13:41:53 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@129.187.69.65] has joined #openttd 13:41:57 <davis-> fail? 13:42:07 <Celestar> DorpsGek: idiot 13:42:10 <Celestar> :P 13:42:18 <peter1138> Hah 13:43:43 <glx> it's not DorpsGek's fault 13:44:10 <peter1138> Celestar, no method of reproducing them? 13:44:31 <Celestar> peter1138: currently, I desync within about 2 seconds of joining 13:44:44 <peter1138> That doesn't mean much. 13:45:12 <Celestar> peter1138: I should maybe dump the hopcache and destcache into a file 13:45:19 <Celestar> peter1138: other suggestions? 13:48:22 <davis-> !p 13:48:24 <davis-> :s 13:49:20 <peter1138> Finding the real cause instead of seeing what data is wrong? ;) 13:51:43 *** shodan [user@ppp101-219.static.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Client Exiting] 13:55:38 <Brianetta> As far as I understand it, two things can lead to a desync, assuming the game remains deterministic. First, information is cached and those caches are not flushed or transmitted in the join save. Second, commands are not being completely transmitted to all clients. 13:56:05 <Brianetta> Both lead form the assumption that certain information can reliably be reconstructed by all clients. 13:56:31 <Mortal> I've noticed when I fast-forward with tab, the game goes as fast as it can ... which mostly if not totally depends on the size of the screen it needs to render - if the game is maximised on 1680x1024 and focused it's around 2x time, but if it's minimised a year takes 14 real seconds... 13:56:58 <hylje> Mortal: well obviously it doesn't draw into a minimized window 13:56:58 <Brianetta> Mortal: Yeah - fast forward just skips all the delays 13:57:13 <Brianetta> It runs as fast as it can on your hardware 13:57:23 <hylje> and with given settings 13:57:38 <Brianetta> I thought that was covered by "it" (: 13:57:39 <Mortal> well, has anyone considered maybe ... still capping the time? maybe skipping some frames to keep the speed at a decent, steady time? 13:57:58 <Brianetta> Mortal: I believe somebody once considered the idea, then said to hell with it. 13:58:02 <Mortal> lol 13:58:38 <Mortal> oh well... it's not a big deal since I rarely FF, but it is a bit annoying that when I need to watch the game while FF'ing, I only get around 2x speedup 13:59:01 <Brianetta> Turn don animation, reduce your window size 13:59:09 <Mortal> mehhhhh 13:59:10 <Brianetta> Zoom in 13:59:12 <Mortal> mehhhhhh 13:59:15 <Mortal> ;) 13:59:23 <Brianetta> Most people only fast forward to make some cash 13:59:34 <Mortal> yeah, I guess 13:59:41 <Brianetta> or to see if they get a jam 13:59:47 <Mortal> huh? 13:59:48 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 14:00:02 <Mortal> as in a train crash? 14:00:12 <Brianetta> I only fast forward by holding tab; never by clicking the button. I don't want it rushing into the 21st century without me. 14:00:17 <Brianetta> A jam 14:06:22 * TrueBrain waves to #openttd 14:06:24 * TrueBrain waves to yorick 14:06:33 * yorick waves back 14:10:18 *** CIA-1 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has quit [] 14:10:18 *** CIA-6 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #openttd 14:10:19 *** CIA-6 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has quit [] 14:19:03 *** AlexFili [~AlexFili@host86-158-39-68.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 14:19:07 <AlexFili> hello 14:19:55 <TrueBrain> hi :) 14:19:59 <TrueBrain> found the problem of your disconnects? 14:20:02 <AlexFili> i think so 14:20:10 <AlexFili> can you come to my server and see if my firewall port works now? http://www.openttd.org/server_detail.php?id=881 14:20:11 <Celestar> peter1138: well, we have one good thing about the desyncs :P 14:20:30 <TrueBrain> if the masterserver can find you, there is a VERY high chance it all works ;) 14:20:38 <AlexFili> well yeah, its on the main list 14:20:44 <AlexFili> just wanted to make sure that people could join ok :) 14:20:47 <Celestar> peter1138: "rn rr" on the server ALWAYS fixes them (= 14:21:05 <TrueBrain> well, can't help you with that :) 14:21:14 <AlexFili> thanks again for the tips 14:21:20 <AlexFili> I managed to successfully configure my wifi router last night 14:21:30 <AlexFili> turns out I forgot to even change the default password 14:21:38 <AlexFili> so I guess I forgot to do port forwarding, the problem seems to be fine now 14:21:41 <TrueBrain> hehe 14:21:42 <Celestar> Rubidium: You know a bit about the network: I'd like to write some function that compares the client and server caches in-game, by sending the cache over the network. How difficult would that be? 14:21:48 <TrueBrain> like 90% of the wifi router users .. 14:22:13 <AlexFili> as far as I know theres no real problems with openttd online in general 14:22:30 <AlexFili> the biggest problems I can see are pausing when a player joins, and empty companies 14:22:33 <TrueBrain> lol @ Celestar :) 14:22:37 <Celestar> TrueBrain: why lol? 14:22:45 <Celestar> TrueBrain: not the hardware caches :P 14:22:47 <TrueBrain> Celestar: how big is that cache? :) 14:23:00 <AlexFili> the openTTD port for DS works nicely 14:23:11 <Celestar> TrueBrain: not big enough to make a LAN or DSL choke 14:23:17 <Celestar> TrueBrain: < 1 MB 14:23:33 <TrueBrain> Celestar: LOL! There are clients which choke over the map already .. 14:23:40 <TrueBrain> so if 1 MB really is the size ... omg :p 14:23:42 <Celestar> TrueBrain: I'm talking about the DEBUGGING function (= 14:24:10 <Celestar> TrueBrain: like. I find a problem. I type some command in the console, server pauses and sends the cache data out. 14:24:16 <peter1138> Celestar, pause the server, save the information on the server and each client, put them together, then compare. 14:24:22 <AlexFili> if I run with a newGRF, that person will have to have it before they can join, is that right? 14:24:23 <TrueBrain> then you can also dump the content once every N minutes (or at desync) 14:24:32 <TrueBrain> (to stdout) 14:24:37 <peter1138> I don't think it's worth messing with network protocols to do this. 14:24:38 <Celestar> peter1138: and dump then to a binary/text file? 14:24:47 <peter1138> text is easier to diff. 14:24:50 <Celestar> peter1138: heh. you forget one thing (= 14:24:50 <TrueBrain> Celestar: that is 10000 times easier than create a function for it 14:25:05 <Celestar> peter1138: when the client desyncs, I lose the cache state because the game ends :) 14:25:12 <Rubidium> Celestar: what about cloning the cache in memory, rebuilding it, comparing it? 14:25:25 <Celestar> Rubidium: that sounds like a reasonable idea ;) 14:25:28 <TrueBrain> Celestar: you can dump the cache AT desync 14:25:39 <TrueBrain> (on both sides) 14:25:52 <AlexFili> do many people have the TTO alternative graphics patch to replace toyland? 14:26:00 <AlexFili> just wondering if a Mars Server is worthwile 14:26:42 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: that's not very useful as the cache got most likely corrupted very badly already 14:27:22 <Rubidium> and by the time the server receives the "oh I desynced" message it is already a tick furter in the game, so the caches can't be compared anyways 14:27:33 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: he wanted to compare things! Not me :) 14:27:53 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: in worst case even 100 ticks further in the game ;) 14:28:02 <AlexFili> and autosaves wont work either? 14:28:10 <peter1138> Best bet is to rebuild the cache on the server and compare it. 14:28:16 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: 100 ticks is worst case? 14:28:35 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: last time I touched the code, desync was checked every 100 ticks 14:28:57 <Rubidium> that might be, but it doesn't mean the root cause of the desync was in those 100 ticks 14:29:53 <TrueBrain> well, depends on how you describe a 'desync' 14:30:10 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: 20 game years between the cause of the desync and the actual desync is not unheard of 14:30:14 <AlexFili> a few seconds is pretty negligable 14:30:24 <TrueBrain> but you said 1 tick, just wanted to point out that many more time could have passed 14:30:26 <AlexFili> most of the time players build far away from each other anyway 14:30:50 <murray> wow, 20 years? really? 14:30:56 <AlexFili> thats some big lag there lol 14:31:06 <AlexFili> one person going "WTF? monorails in 1930?!" 14:31:27 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: I said that WHEN the client detects a desync and tells the server that, that the server is already 1 tick ahead of the client. Therefor the check caches at desync is impossible except when the server dumps them every frame 14:31:32 <TrueBrain> murray: direct cause always is a random which is done on one end and not on the other .. indirect .. can even be the fact that the savegame doesn't contain ALL data :p So yeah, it is posisble 14:31:50 *** yorick is now known as Guest5251 14:31:53 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 14:32:03 <AlexFili> So, which servers are the most popular? and what year do people start in? 14:32:15 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: true; solvable by cloning the cache on the server every time it checks desync ;) 14:32:31 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.203] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:33:52 *** Guest5251 [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:34:02 <yorick> 17:20:30 < TrueBrain> if the masterserver can find you, there is a VERY high chance it all works ;) <-- it does not check if tcp is forwarded 14:34:19 <Rubidium> anyhow: clone + rebuild + compare is much more efficient 14:34:39 <TrueBrain> yorick: as I said: high chance, not 100% guarantee :) 14:34:55 <yorick> checking only UDP is about a 50% chance :-P 14:34:59 <TrueBrain> (the piece between 100% and the high chance is the human factor of stupidity :) 14:35:05 <yorick> for the stupidity 14:35:20 <AlexFili> come here if you want some random toyland fun; http://www.openttd.org/server_detail.php?id=881 14:35:21 <TrueBrain> yorick: it also means the NAT is working, the connection is up, ... 14:35:23 <TrueBrain> so more than 50% ;) 14:35:35 <yorick> some routers don't even allow something twice forwarded, not checking the protocol 14:35:50 <TrueBrain> AlexFili: this is _not_ an advertise-for-your-server channel 14:36:01 * yorick detects spam 14:36:09 <AlexFili> :S 14:37:52 <AlexFili> not a fan of toyland then? :) 14:38:13 <yorick> not a fan of spam either 14:38:25 <AlexFili> spam is hardly the word :p 14:38:47 <TrueBrain> not a fan of advertising for random servers .. we have a nice server-list for that (Both ingame as on a website) 14:38:58 <yorick> @kick ... 14:38:58 <DorpsGek> yorick: Error: ... is not in #openttd. 14:39:33 <peter1138> @kick yorick 14:39:38 <yorick> does @kick $randomNick work? 14:39:39 <peter1138> See, it ignores me. 14:39:43 <AlexFili> @kick yorick 14:39:49 *** yorick was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [peter1138] 14:39:50 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 14:39:50 *** Volley [~worf@84-119-53-183.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 14:39:52 <AlexFili> :o 14:39:56 <AlexFili> well it works for me 14:40:51 *** dfox [~dfox@r9eh58.net.upc.cz] has quit [Quit: C-x C-c] 14:40:57 <TrueBrain> peter1138: register yourself to DorpsGek, and we can fix it for real :) 14:41:10 <peter1138> With, not to. 14:41:31 <AlexFili> look whos talking about advertising now lol 14:41:38 <TrueBrain> really? Hmm .. will try to keep thatone in mind :) 14:42:18 <TrueBrain> register with ... I always thought it was register to :) 14:42:27 <AlexFili> i think it depends on the context 14:42:34 * yorick wonders where he got that bug... "registreren bij" but "sign up to" 14:42:42 <AlexFili> sign up to, register with 14:42:45 <AlexFili> that sounds correct 14:43:12 <yorick> it *is* correct :-p 14:43:47 <peter1138> register to vote 14:43:58 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8421B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:44:04 <TrueBrain> lol @ peter1138, now I am even more confused :p 14:44:13 <AlexFili> 'to vote' is a verb 14:44:15 <AlexFili> not a company 14:44:20 <peter1138> TrueBrain :) 14:45:48 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B840CF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 14:45:51 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 14:47:28 <AlexFili> hmmm, looks like toyland servers arent that popular 14:47:43 <AlexFili> then again, its not peak time yet for UK/USA I guess 14:49:09 <AlexFili> so, how many people here have TTO, TTDX and TT(Playstation 1)? 14:51:11 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 14:58:24 <Celestar> peter1138: are we SURE that autoreplace is netstable? 14:58:34 <AlexFili> it should be, why not? 14:58:49 <AlexFili> autoreplace is down to the users PC telling the trains to go in for service, nothing more, surely? 14:58:58 <TrueBrain> Celestar: autoreplace? Bjarni code? What do you think ;) 14:59:31 <AlexFili> you can try the forums and see if anyone has complained in a similar way? 14:59:35 <yorick> Autoreplace is not bjarnicode anymore 14:59:45 <yorick> it is froschrewritten bjarnicode 14:59:54 <TrueBrain> yorick: still ;) 15:00:59 <Celestar> peter1138: hm .... 15:01:19 <AlexFili> autoreplace shouldnt affect the server in a very substantial way at all 15:01:22 <Belugas> Frosch still has a long way to go until it is un-bjarnized 15:02:06 <Belugas> AlexFili, i see that you are an expert on that piece of code. Maybe you could help frosch on the rewrite? 15:02:26 <TrueBrain> long, as in, end of road not in isght? :p 15:02:33 <AlexFili> sorry but im going on holiday tomorrow :) 15:03:01 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-115-157.prem.tmns.net.au] has quit [] 15:03:06 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.203] has joined #openttd 15:03:07 <Belugas> as good an excuse as any ;) 15:03:09 <TrueBrain> I am sure that is the only reason 15:03:14 <AlexFili> im serious lol 15:04:09 <Belugas> can frosch count on you when you'llbe back? 15:05:17 <Rubidium> otherwise we'll make a abacus of you for frosch 15:05:19 <AlexFili> my answer to that is [no] 15:05:46 <yorick> what's your excuse for that? 15:06:12 <AlexFili> I have never worked on openTTD code before :p 15:06:18 <AlexFili> but I have worked with C++ if that helps 15:06:24 <TrueBrain> and yet, you seem to know it all .. 15:06:44 <AlexFili> im just saying autoreplace is mainly on the client side, not the server 15:06:47 <AlexFili> am i right? 15:06:52 <Belugas> well... i think you should look at the code before stating that 15:07:00 <TrueBrain> well, you clearly know, so we should ask you :) 15:07:03 <Belugas> otherwise, you're assuming 15:07:24 <TrueBrain> assumptions in general are really bad ;) 15:07:48 <Ammler> that is my business :P 15:07:52 <AlexFili> all functions that can be performed in single player mode are not related to the network server code, thats my opinion 15:08:03 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: I vote +q 15:08:32 * Belugas seconds 15:08:55 <TrueBrain> somehow, that sounds very arrogant .. dunno .. 15:09:36 <Belugas> AlexFili, you REALLY do not know what you are talking about, sorry to be a bummer 15:09:50 <TrueBrain> but okay, it is very useful we have an other person who understands and known OpenTTD that well 15:09:53 *** rortom [~rortom@p57B7FB91.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:10:09 <AlexFili> I can honestly say that I have never looked at OpenTTD code before in my entire life 15:10:12 <Belugas> even yorick does not make such wild assertions... 15:10:27 <AlexFili> however I have some experience with programming and so I made some assumptions based on my experience 15:10:46 <TrueBrain> and yet here you are claiming to know things about OpenTTD 15:10:47 <Celestar> I'm still wondering how to compare the client and server caches 15:10:50 <yorick> I worte me first patch without any C++ knowledge too 15:10:55 <peter1138> 15:58 Celestar> peter1138: are we SURE that autoreplace is netstable? 15:10:58 <yorick> yes, it asserted 15:11:08 <Belugas> AlexFili, that's the whole point of the discussion. Do not assume and claim stuff. You only are loosing your credibility 15:11:09 <peter1138> ^ No idea, I've not looked at the code since the previous few rewrites. 15:11:20 <TrueBrain> Belugas: he lost that yesterday ;) 15:11:29 <Celestar> peter1138: the thing is desyncs happen mostly when we're autoreplacing. Apparently there is something rotten in the autoreplace<->cargodest interface 15:11:49 <TrueBrain> Celestar: and if you disable autoreplace? :) 15:11:54 <Rubidium> Celestar, as I said: clone cache + rebuild cache + compare cloned and rebuilt cache == check cache between client and server 15:12:43 <Celestar> Rubidium: yeah. I'm just wondering how to implement the "compare" part. I'll have the leave out the dirty stuff 15:12:59 <Ammler> a stop all replace would help, else it is quite difficult to disable them and to be sure it is... 15:13:07 <Celestar> Rubidium: since lists and maps have a = operator, the cloning is easy (= 15:13:26 <AlexFili> there are other people who have complained about desyncs because of autoreplace 15:13:38 <AlexFili> "There's the autoreplace desync, which is apparently known and fixed in trunk. My server actually exited after one of those yesterday. I do not know of any autoreplace desync in 0.6.2." 15:13:44 <AlexFili> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=39142&hilit=replace 15:16:05 <AlexFili> "There's the autoreplace desync, which is apparently known and fixed in trunk. My server actually exited after one of those yesterday. Then there's the mysterious waypoint desync, which never happens if nobody ever renames their waypoints. Finally, there's the oh-so-annoying late game desync, where late on in the game all clients start to desync more and more frequently, and reloading the server doesn't even help." 15:17:57 <Ammler> AlexFili: we play almost every game for about 200-500 years with around 30-50 NewGRFs 15:18:07 <AlexFili> ... 15:18:12 <AlexFili> and you wonder why you desync?! 15:18:20 <Ammler> no, we don't 15:18:53 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-36.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 15:19:10 <AlexFili> "It's likely that many, if not all of these, are caused by newgrf bugs. " 15:19:30 <Celestar> !rcon pause 15:19:33 <Celestar> need a pause for 5 minutes 15:19:37 <Ammler> :-) 15:19:38 <Celestar> er 15:19:44 <DaleStan> Wrong channel? 15:22:42 <DaleStan> AlexFili: I don't do /msg. 15:22:45 <Belugas> AlexFili, you are AGAIN making assumptions. Plus, you have pasted stuff that is already known. 15:24:09 <AlexFili> @Belugas: thanks for that wonderful comment 15:24:18 <AlexFili> I hope we can become friends :D 15:24:46 <Rubidium> I think you just became friend with his IRC client's ignore filter 15:25:12 <AlexFili> @Rubidium: I care not. 15:25:32 <Rubidium> anyhow... if the late-game desync is so enormously reproducable, why haven't I seen any reproducable case of it? 15:26:34 <AlexFili> in programming a run-time error is caused by a mistake in the programming or an unexpected event 15:27:04 <AlexFili> if its after a very long time, it could just be that a very small discrepancy built up slowly and steadily until at one point the server couldn't cope and desynced 15:27:04 <Celestar> peter1138: I have found the reason for the desyncs 15:27:25 <AlexFili> usually small discrepancies can't be found in the debug, because they are so minute that you would not recognize them 15:27:53 <Celestar> Forked: ping 15:27:56 <Forked> pong 15:28:02 <Forked> four seconds :( 15:28:13 <Celestar> Forked: did you find a sitation where routes got lost? 15:28:24 <Forked> this game or my own game? 15:28:35 <Forked> I did in my own, some revs ago 15:28:35 <Rubidium> yay... for AlexFili's FUD 15:28:37 <Celestar> yours 15:28:54 <Forked> yes 15:29:22 <Celestar> have you been able to reproduce that? 15:29:38 <Forked> not after you said you fixed it I think.. I can retry though 15:31:55 <AlexFili> "<Belugas> desynhc are NOT runtime errors" 15:32:49 <Forked> Celestar: no "luck" with that doing it like I did last time 15:32:56 <Celestar> Forked: no problem 15:33:08 <Celestar> well desyncs are logic errors 15:34:23 *** rortom [~rortom@p57B7FB91.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:34:39 <Brianetta> Celestar, Rubidium: How expensive is it to checksum the caches (not even crypto; any checksum algo will do) and compare that at the same time as the random seed? Would give earlier desyncs. 15:35:00 <Belugas> nice... 15:35:00 <Belugas> very nice AlexFili 15:35:00 *** AlexFili was kicked from #openttd by Belugas [private is private] 15:35:13 <Celestar> Brianetta: difficult, because the caches are rebuilt on request 15:35:34 <Brianetta> Is that not predictable? 15:35:43 *** AlexFili [~AlexFili@host86-158-39-68.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 15:35:46 <Celestar> Brianetta: it is kind of 15:35:52 <Celestar> Brianetta: but I have found the reason ^^ 15:35:53 <yorick> C:/BuildOTTD/msys/home/ottdsrc/cleantrunk/src/aircraft_cmd.cpp: In function `CommandCost CmdBuildAircraft(TileIndex, uint32, uint32, uint32)': 15:35:55 <yorick> C:/BuildOTTD/msys/home/ottdsrc/cleantrunk/src/aircraft_cmd.cpp:427: warning: 'w' might be used uninitialized in this function 15:35:56 <yorick> with unpatched trunk 15:36:10 <Brianetta> It could be used to aid debugging of other desyncs 15:36:15 <Rubidium> yorick: broken compiler 15:36:18 <Brianetta> newgrf runtime data, for example 15:36:22 <yorick> Rubidium: nope 15:36:45 <Celestar> yorick: lol copiler is wrong 15:36:50 <yorick> g++.exe (GCC) 3.4.5 (mingw-vista special r3) 15:37:03 <Rubidium> yorick: then show a path that causes it to be used uninitialized 15:37:05 <yorick> still it should be silenced 15:37:07 <AlexFili> compiler debug messages can sometimes be very vague 15:37:26 <Brianetta> yorick: Feel free to silence it. 15:38:00 <Eddi|zuHause> please enlighten us, all-knowing AlexFili. 15:38:14 <AlexFili> ah here we go, the voice of reason 15:38:20 <Celestar> I need to find why routes are dropped :S 15:38:36 <Rubidium> Brianetta: there are way to many caches to simply check using a checksum 15:38:57 <Brianetta> Rubidium: Fair enough. It's expensive. 15:39:20 <Eddi|zuHause> Makefile:146: Makefile.bundle: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden <- ? 15:39:23 <glx> yorick: broken compiler 15:39:38 <yorick> glx: you mean GCC 3.4.5 mingw-vista is broken? 15:39:38 *** mikl [~mikl@cpe.ge-0-2-0-812.0x50c774be.boanqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: mikl] 15:39:42 <Rubidium> I had some code to test some of the vehicle newgrf caches once and it slowed down the game a lot 15:39:42 <glx> Eddi|zuHause: sh config.cache 15:40:01 <Eddi|zuHause> i did ./configure now... 15:40:08 <glx> yorick: 3.4.5 is "old" and gives false warning 15:40:41 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm40.epsilon123.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:40:43 <yorick> 3.4.5 was released 28 august 2008 15:40:45 <Eddi|zuHause> why is there no gcc 4.x for windows yet? 15:40:51 <glx> if you check the code you will easily notice it 15:40:59 <glx> it's in testing 15:41:22 <Rubidium> yorick: fact 1) the compiler complains about uninitialised use w, fact 2) there is no uninitialised use of said variable, conclusion by logic: the compiler complaint is unfounded 15:42:09 <yorick> Eddi: there is 15:42:16 <yorick> but does openttd support gcc 4.x? 15:42:22 <Celestar> yorick: yes 15:42:25 <Celestar> I'm using 4.3 15:42:59 <Rubidium> does the gcc 4.x port for mingw work? 15:43:05 * yorick shall update to 4.x alpha 15:43:07 <Rubidium> it didn't when I tried two weeks ago 15:43:27 <glx> I used it in my winXP VM 15:45:13 <yorick> :o it is 517MB 15:45:50 * yorick will delete gcj 15:46:06 <yorick> and gc-objc 15:46:53 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@62.113.133.253] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:47:39 <AlexFili> ok, time to test to see if my client wont disconnect this time 15:52:38 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@62.113.133.253] has joined #openttd 15:52:52 <glx> <@Rubidium> it didn't when I tried two weeks ago <-- using individual packages? 15:53:05 <yorick> it seems to compile 15:55:27 *** CIA-1 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #openttd 15:56:41 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 15:57:39 *** RehabAbar [~AlexFili@host86-136-149-32.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 15:57:51 <RehabAbar> damn, i got disconnected again, looks like the problem wasnt fixed after all 15:58:01 * Belugas relaxes with good old Peter Gabriel - Slowburn 15:59:22 * RehabAbar is listening to his Michael Jackson compilation CD 15:59:37 *** RehabAbar is now known as AlexFili-2 16:00:12 <AlexFili-2> can anyone explain why playing openttd would make a router drop out all connections? 16:00:27 <yorick> cheap router 16:00:39 <fjb> Broken router. 16:00:40 <Eddi|zuHause> because it wants to spare us your annoyance 16:00:46 <Eddi|zuHause> but it fails 16:00:56 <AlexFili-2> BT Homehub? 16:00:57 <Eddi|zuHause> that's why the router is broken 16:01:22 <AlexFili-2> if its so badly broken, why does it only happen when I play openTTD? 16:01:25 <yorick> is BT bluetooth? 16:01:43 <yorick> because OpenTTD sends more packets 16:01:47 *** AlexFili [~AlexFili@host86-158-39-68.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:02:07 <yorick> is it when you query the serverlist? 16:02:13 <yorick> or when you join a game 16:02:16 <AlexFili-2> no, about 10 minutes after i joined a game 16:02:23 <AlexFili-2> but last night i was sure I played for at least 15 without any problems 16:02:33 <AlexFili-2> and I can host my server for eternity without it crashing 16:02:35 <peter1138> Moribund! The! Burgermeister! 16:02:37 <fjb> Some things wont work with broken routers. If you are lucky you are not using one of the applications it can not handle. But if you use one of them you are out of luck. 16:02:47 <peter1138> BT Homehubs are known to be shit. 16:02:58 <AlexFili-2> yeah, BT arent exactly the most reliable of operators 16:03:05 <AlexFili-2> but still, this never happened before to me, with any application 16:03:25 <AlexFili-2> does the position of the router matter at all? 16:03:29 <fjb> Just only use applications the router can handle. 16:03:31 <yorick> if wired, no 16:03:38 <fjb> If not wired yes. 16:03:41 <AlexFili-2> well its a wireless router right next to my pc 16:03:53 <fjb> That is the wrong place. 16:03:57 <Belugas> tried using a cable? 16:03:57 <Eddi|zuHause> proxy the openttd protocol through one of the other applications ;) 16:04:11 <AlexFili-2> where should it be? 16:04:19 <peter1138> In the bin. 16:04:23 <AlexFili-2> :) 16:04:27 <yorick> With a cable 16:04:30 * Belugas puts on peter1138's sugestion :) 16:04:36 <AlexFili-2> fjb? any ideas? 16:04:42 <Eddi|zuHause> under the train. 16:05:04 <AlexFili-2> 'the train'? could you be any more vague? lol 16:05:06 <fjb> Use a wire. 16:05:10 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:05:20 <Eddi|zuHause> any train would do, i suppose 16:05:23 <fjb> If that doesn't halp buy a better router. 16:05:32 <AlexFili-2> ... but thats the whole points, its WIRELESS 16:05:40 <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause, one with 3rd rail would be good. 16:05:53 <AlexFili-2> why 3? 16:05:55 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has joined #openttd 16:06:14 <peter1138> Because three's better than two. 16:06:17 <yorick> AlexFili: only if you have something you want portable, you should use wireles 16:06:26 <TrueBrain> @voice Eddi|zuHause 16:06:29 *** mode/#openttd [+v Eddi|zuHause] by DorpsGek 16:06:30 <AlexFili-2> well i have a ds and psp that use my wireless connection 16:06:30 <yorick> else, I recommend you PLUG IN THE CABLE and try again 16:06:31 <TrueBrain> for the comment: [18:00] <Eddi|zuHause> because it wants to spare us your annoyance 16:06:33 <TrueBrain> brilliant! 16:06:39 <Eddi|zuHause> :) 16:06:46 <AlexFili-2> my other wireless router didnt have any disconnection problems at all 16:06:59 <peter1138> So ditch the homehub and use the other wireless router. 16:07:01 <yorick> then your wireless router is wirelessly broken 16:07:12 <yorick> use the other wireless router. 16:07:26 <AlexFili-2> nah, that thing sucked 16:07:29 <AlexFili-2> overheated way too much 16:07:48 <peter1138> So does the Homehub. 16:07:48 <fjb> Then stop playing OpenTTD. 16:07:51 <yorick> oh 16:07:58 <yorick> the gcc 4.x failed to compile 16:08:23 <AlexFili-2> yorick if the program could not be compiled, there wouldnt be an exe along with it 16:08:36 <yorick> it failed to compile OpenTTD 16:08:48 <glx> what is the error? 16:08:49 <AlexFili-2> ^ please note that the above statement is a bold assumption that is not factual in any way shape or form 16:09:14 <AlexFili-2> <@peter1138> So does the Homehub. < not mine, mine is as cool as a cucumber 16:09:31 <fjb> Yeah cool and broken. 16:09:43 <AlexFili-2> if it was broken it would be physically impossible for me to talk to you 16:09:48 <yorick> glx: compile log: http://paste.openttd.org/78073 16:09:51 <AlexFili-2> I'm not paying £40 just because openttd doesnt work with my router 16:09:58 <AlexFili-2> its a good game, but its not THAT good 16:10:06 <AlexFili-2> besides, it might be full of people like you lol 16:10:15 <yorick> then leave :) 16:10:23 <peter1138> Your solutions are 1) get BT to replace the faulty router 2) go away 16:10:28 <yorick> I don't think anyone could possibly miss you 16:10:31 <Eddi|zuHause> TT cost 60⬠back when my brother bought it 16:10:36 <yorick> we only know you one day 16:10:41 <AlexFili-2> WRONG 16:10:44 <AlexFili-2> two days :D 16:11:06 <Eddi|zuHause> i have the bad feeling that i know you for two years already 16:11:14 <fjb> We only remember you one day. 16:11:16 <AlexFili-2> well I was here before, a while ago 16:11:29 <AlexFili-2> <fjb> We only remember you one day. < are you a goldfish? :P 16:11:55 <fjb> No, goldfish also remember important things only one day. 16:11:57 <peter1138> No, we try to forget the annoyances in life. 16:12:03 <Eddi|zuHause> no, blocking out traumatic memories is a very natural behaviour 16:12:22 <AlexFili-2> I must say, I have never met such lyrically talented individuals 16:12:37 <AlexFili-2> I commend you for your excellent vocal and textual capacity 16:12:46 <peter1138> Lyrics would imply singing. 16:13:16 <AlexFili-2> Words are just lyrics without a beat :) 16:13:33 * Belugas brings in his guitar and starts a fire camp 16:13:50 <Eddi|zuHause> poems went under the term "lyrics" back when i was at school... maybe that is handled differently in english 16:14:14 <peter1138> Poems are just songs without a tune. 16:15:52 <yorick> glx: any idea? 16:16:12 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@129.187.69.65] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:16:14 *** AlexFili [~AlexFili@host86-136-221-52.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 16:16:18 <AlexFili> thats weird, now I got disconnected after hosting a server... that didnt happen before 16:16:27 <glx> yorick: weird errors 16:16:38 <AlexFili> I can understand why openTTD would disconnect me, but why would my router suddenly go down 16:16:59 <yorick> because your router is broken 16:17:01 <fjb> Because it is broken. 16:17:15 <AlexFili> but every single other application works fine 16:17:26 <glx> an application can't kill the router 16:17:34 <Eddi|zuHause> because... wait... déjà vus happen when they change the matrix 16:17:40 <AlexFili> if a banana in the fridge is rotten, it doesnt mean the fridge is broken 16:18:10 <AlexFili> <+glx> an application can't kill the router < I beg to differ 16:18:13 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@dhcp-077-248-065-055.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 16:18:36 *** Yexo is now known as Guest5262 16:18:36 *** Yexo_ is now known as Yexo 16:18:54 *** Guest5262 [~Yexo@dhcp-077-248-065-055.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:20:05 <fjb> Why are you asking us when you know everything better? You should be able to fix your problems by yourself. 16:20:43 <AlexFili> <fjb> Because it is broken. < obviously this conclusion came after countless hours of reasoning 16:21:11 *** Volley [~worf@84-119-53-183.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:21:15 <AlexFili> I only wish your reasoning skills and knowledge were as good as the witty comments you love to make 16:21:19 *** AlexFili-2 [~AlexFili@host86-136-149-32.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:21:35 <fjb> No countless hours reasoning about your router here. 16:21:39 <Eddi|zuHause> AlexFili: i honestly don't have a clue what you actually want here... you are complaining now for two days that your router does not work, yet you dismiss any attempt to help you find out the reason... 16:21:40 <DaleStan> If the router dies while routing traffic, it is broken. Routers are supposed to route, not die. Buy a more expensive one. 16:21:49 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fcd80.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 16:21:50 <DaleStan> Or stop filesharing. 16:22:10 <AlexFili> but this does not happen with any other single application I have 16:22:18 <AlexFili> why would it just be with one application? 16:22:40 <glx> bad luck? 16:22:51 <Eddi|zuHause> it's your router... you tell us... 16:24:25 <AlexFili> can anyone think of a reason why openttd would be intensive to a router? 16:24:44 <glx> yorick: I don't get the warnings but I have the linking error 16:25:35 <AlexFili> thanks for the help 16:25:41 <Belugas> AlexFili, no, otherwise we would have told you 16:25:59 <Belugas> in fact,it works fine for the immense majority of users 16:26:14 <glx> and it's not intensive at all 16:26:17 <fjb> OpenTTD is not intensive to a router. Your router is simply not able to handle OpenTTD. So either don't use that router or don't use OpenTTD. 16:26:18 <Belugas> indeed not 16:26:42 <AlexFili> don't use OpenTTD online? I can still play single player fine 16:27:09 <fjb> Yes, play it offline. You alone with the ai. 16:27:13 <AlexFili> :D yay 16:27:33 <AlexFili> I can play toyland all I like! 16:28:02 <fjb> That fits you. 16:28:08 <AlexFili> :D 16:30:16 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:30:35 <AlexFili> bye all 16:30:37 *** AlexFili [~AlexFili@host86-136-221-52.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has quit [] 16:31:01 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has joined #openttd 16:32:47 <fjb> I just got a pm: [18:30:27] <AlexFili> shame there isnt a 'complete asshole' landscape type 16:35:47 <glx> yorick: compiled 16:35:57 <yorick> huh? 16:36:21 <yorick> glx: how do you mean? 16:37:03 <glx> the problem is because it uses the wrong libstdc++.a 16:37:43 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@78-21-228-27.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:37:52 <glx> 4.3.0 libs are in lib/gcc/mingw32/version while 3.4.x libs were in lib 16:38:29 <glx> (and the new paths are more logical if you want multiple gcc versions on the system) 16:38:35 <yorick> mhm 16:38:40 <yorick> but what files to remove? 16:39:22 <orudge> hey, everyone, buy some OpenTTD swag! 16:39:23 <orudge> http://www.cafepress.com/openttd 16:39:44 <glx> lib/libstdc++* and lib/libsupc++* 16:41:02 <yorick> the warnings should also be fixable 16:41:18 <glx> I have no warnings 16:43:39 <glx> maybe buildottd doesn't use the latest mingw-runtime and win32api 16:44:19 <yorick> not that I'm still using the standard bottd 16:45:06 <yorick> it was made vista-compatible, erased, copied, un-vista-compatiblized, copied again, vista-compatiblized, upgraded and fixed 16:45:25 <yorick> and it still works :) 16:45:36 <glx> but you changed gcc and g++ only 16:45:51 <davis-> whats buildottd? 16:45:53 <yorick> this time, yes 16:46:05 <yorick> davis-: the broken tool noobs are supposed to compile openttd with 16:46:16 <davis-> ah 16:46:17 <davis-> ic 16:46:32 <Belugas> translated to "I see" ;) 16:46:40 <davis-> thank you 16:46:58 <Phantasm> Belugas: How is the fixing going on? 16:47:26 <Forked> noob is such a counter-strike/WoW word :\ 16:47:52 <|Jeroen|> nah noob is way older 16:48:09 <davis-> i like newbie better 16:48:32 *** davis- is now known as davis-_ 16:48:39 <yorick> glx: the errors left, but the warnings are still there 16:48:57 <glx> includes problem 16:50:08 <yorick> they started when the standard libs got upgraded 16:51:42 <Belugas> Phantasm, it has been worked out a bit further :) 16:52:08 <Belugas> i do now have to find proper way to store the numbers to be dispatched for each day 16:52:25 <Belugas> and well as how to fill thoses days more... uniformly 16:52:27 <Belugas> or soemthing :) 16:52:43 <Belugas> thing is, it has to be network safe 16:57:32 *** Rob-Ankh [~Rob@host86-136-221-52.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 16:57:59 <Rob-Ankh> hi 16:59:18 <Rob-Ankh> any detailed information about trams? 16:59:41 <Rob-Ankh> are they much better then buses? 17:00:33 <yorick> hm, why are the standard libs missing all win* files 17:00:42 <yorick> Rob-Ankh: they can carry more 17:01:03 <peter1138> No they can't. 17:01:14 <Rob-Ankh> I guess it depends on what GRF you use? 17:01:25 <peter1138> Trams are just road vehicles with additional restrictions. 17:02:02 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 17:02:12 <yorick> installing win32api might help, I said nothing 17:03:11 <glx> lol 17:05:05 <Rob-Ankh> do the AI use trams? 17:05:14 <yorick> nope 17:05:26 <yorick> the ais in development might 17:05:41 <yorick> but the ais currently in openttd do not know how to use trams 17:05:44 <Rob-Ankh> do the AI use monorail and maglev? 17:05:59 <yorick> I think they should 17:06:22 <Rob-Ankh> do they also replace vehicles when they get old? and upgrade them? 17:07:03 <yorick> they use train lines, roadvehicles, and sometimes ships 17:07:08 <yorick> and aircraft 17:07:19 <yorick> they build one vehicle on each line 17:07:24 <yorick> and nothing more 17:07:32 <Rob-Ankh> thats not true 17:07:36 <FauxFaux> Clearly need to work on a new AI. 17:07:45 <Rob-Ankh> train lines can have multiple engines 17:08:09 <glx> yorick: they never use ship IIRC (they don't know how to) 17:08:37 <Rob-Ankh> I think the AI does use ships, or there wouldnt be a ship AI 17:09:03 <Yexo> Rob-Ankh: are you talking about a new (NoAI) AI or the old AI in trunk? 17:09:21 <Rob-Ankh> pathfinder for ships: original 17:09:29 <Rob-Ankh> although I guess thats for player ships too eh? 17:09:38 <yorick> that is the ship pathfinder 17:09:39 <Yexo> the pathfinder has nothing to do with the AI 17:09:40 <yorick> not the ai 17:09:44 <Rob-Ankh> ah yes sorry my mistake 17:09:51 <Rob-Ankh> i'll make a sea map and see if the cpu builds ships 17:11:41 <peter1138> No, they won't. 17:11:44 <Rob-Ankh> I guess the AI doesnt use roll-in bus/lorry stops either? 17:11:50 <yorick> NOPE 17:12:16 <yorick> don't ask what it doesn't 17:12:16 <Rob-Ankh> so pretty much any feature implemented after TTDX is unavaliable to the AI? 17:12:23 <yorick> yes 17:12:35 <Rob-Ankh> wow thats lame, the cpu isnt building any ships at all 17:12:59 <Rob-Ankh> theres even an oil rig in the middle of the map 17:13:20 <FauxFaux> You can't have oil-rigs in the middle of the map. 17:13:51 <Rob-Ankh> if it helps, the mapsize is 64x64 17:14:01 <FauxFaux> Ah. =p 17:14:28 <Rob-Ankh> also, using a hovercraft in zoomed out mode results in graphical glitches 17:14:55 <Belugas> looks like we need bigger bounding boxes then... 17:14:59 <Belugas> *** joke *** 17:15:11 <Rob-Ankh> the draw method for zoom out is incorrect :p 17:15:17 <Rob-Ankh> or at least, its not perfect 17:16:00 <fjb> We need full vector graphic support. 17:16:15 <Rob-Ankh> someone did make a patch that corrected the zoom draw function actually :p 17:16:29 <Rob-Ankh> they used a simple anti-aliasing i think 17:17:43 <fjb> 256 colours anti-aliasing... 17:17:52 <Rob-Ankh> I'm very suprised that the AI doesnt use ships 17:18:24 <FauxFaux> I'm supposedly intellegent, and I never use ships, why should they? 17:18:29 *** Yexo [~Yexo@dhcp-077-248-065-055.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 17:18:37 *** Yexo [~Yexo@dhcp-077-248-065-055.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 17:18:43 <fjb> To supprise us. 17:19:03 <FauxFaux> The traditioanl AI has code for building ships. 17:19:11 <Rob-Ankh> so how do you get oil from an oil rig then FauxFaux? 17:19:18 <Ammler> has noai branch support for ships? 17:19:24 <fjb> No. 17:19:28 <FauxFaux> Rob-Ankh: I land-bridge out and build a train station. :p 17:19:34 <FauxFaux> RAISE THE SEA 17:19:37 <Rob-Ankh> what a waste of money lol 17:19:40 <FauxFaux> LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND BRIDGE 17:20:11 <TrueBrain> @op 17:20:11 *** mode/#openttd [+o TrueBrain] by DorpsGek 17:20:13 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!*@host86-136-221-52.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] by TrueBrain 17:20:33 <yorick> you could just have done a @ban command ;) 17:20:36 <TrueBrain> @deop 17:20:39 *** mode/#openttd [-o TrueBrain] by DorpsGek 17:20:48 <TrueBrain> yorick: possible, but I wanted to be sure it went okay :) 17:20:50 <FauxFaux> I really need to install an irssi plugin to tell me who just got banned. 17:20:57 <TrueBrain> yorick: and concratz, this guy was by far more annoying then you are :) 17:21:33 * fjb knows who got banned. 17:21:39 * FauxFaux just looked it up. 17:22:08 <FauxFaux> I haven't looked at the noai stuff much, but I understand it doesn't have support for trains, I don't understand why? Surely once you have the bindings for vehicles it's not that much harder? 17:22:37 <TrueBrain> oh, +b .. hmm 17:22:38 <TrueBrain> @op 17:22:41 *** mode/#openttd [+o TrueBrain] by DorpsGek 17:22:45 *** mode/#openttd [+q *!*@host86-136-221-52.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] by TrueBrain 17:22:49 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!*@host86-136-221-52.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] by TrueBrain 17:22:49 <TrueBrain> @deop 17:22:52 *** mode/#openttd [-o TrueBrain] by DorpsGek 17:22:59 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host86-153-45-29.range86-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 17:23:14 <TrueBrain> FauxFaux: just because it isn't done yet :) 17:23:36 <FauxFaux> Fair enough. :) 17:23:46 *** Rob-Ankh [~Rob@host86-136-221-52.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has quit [] 17:23:49 * FauxFaux would love to play, wtb motivation to code at home after work. :( 17:23:56 <TrueBrain> oh, and Rob-Ankh, my attempt was to silent ~AlexFili@host86-136-221-52.range86-136.btcentralplus.com, not you (Well, you share the same mask) 17:23:57 <TrueBrain> lol 17:24:43 <Prof_Frink> lazy TrueBrain is lazy 17:24:43 *** Bobbie [~Bob@host86-136-221-52.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 17:25:01 <TrueBrain> Prof_Frink: nah, it has little to do with lazy 17:25:02 *** davis-_ is now known as davis 17:25:03 *** davis is now known as davis- 17:25:05 <TrueBrain> as now his name is Bob .. I mean .. 17:25:10 <TrueBrain> how much more names does this guy have? 17:25:13 *** Bobbie [~Bob@host86-136-221-52.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has quit [] 17:25:30 <Prof_Frink> TrueBrain: I mean, "@deop" instead of "/deop tr<tab>" 17:25:35 <TrueBrain> ah, yes :p 17:25:37 <FauxFaux> -!- likes [...] has joined. -!- men [...] has joined. 17:26:06 *** ManyNames [~Lotta@host86-136-221-52.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 17:26:42 <TrueBrain> oh, for the love of God 17:26:42 <TrueBrain> @op 17:26:45 *** mode/#openttd [+o TrueBrain] by DorpsGek 17:26:50 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!*@host86-136-221-52.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] by TrueBrain 17:26:53 <TrueBrain> @kick ManyNames and stay out 17:26:53 *** ManyNames was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [and stay out] 17:27:03 *** mode/#openttd [-q *!*@host86-136-221-52.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] by TrueBrain 17:27:07 *** mode/#openttd [-o TrueBrain] by TrueBrain 17:27:11 <TrueBrain> really, enough is enough 17:28:49 <fjb> TrueBrain: Where is your flood ping? 17:28:55 <TrueBrain> fjb: at home 17:29:06 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host245-236-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 17:29:49 <Wolf01> hello 17:30:16 <TrueBrain> welcome Wolf01 :) 17:30:40 <fjb> Hi Wolf01 17:31:05 <TrueBrain> "2 problems with r14242:" 17:31:10 <TrueBrain> "- it reports as r14239 in the title bar" 17:31:13 <TrueBrain> I love some reports :) 17:31:36 *** mikl [~mikl@0304ds2-ba.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 17:32:12 *** GeekyTeen [~GStaple@host86-151-90-81.range86-151.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 17:32:15 <fjb> It lies to you. 17:33:17 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-2-131-220.manc.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 17:33:21 <fjb> peter1138: Is your screenshot with the bridge over a station online? 17:33:28 <glx> TrueBrain: of course, 14240-14242 were not code changes 17:33:59 <TrueBrain> glx: :) You win a cookie! www.amazon.com :) 17:34:12 <GeekyTeen> what exactly does noAI mean? 17:34:32 <fjb> No artificial intelligenz. 17:34:38 *** OdwallaBongwater is now known as nckomodo 17:34:57 <Yexo> GeekyTeen: it's a branch of openttd to create an api for new AIs 17:35:00 <TrueBrain> GeekyTeen: it doens't 'mean' anything, but itis the name of the new AI framework, which allows custom AIs to be build by you, as user 17:35:11 <GeekyTeen> like open source? 17:35:35 <fjb> Like people from btcentral. 17:36:38 <Yexo> GeekyTeen: what's your question?Openttd is open source, and some Ais are 17:37:02 <TrueBrain> fjb: it looks like an investation ... 17:37:04 <GeekyTeen> just wanted to know what noAI means thats all, and now I know. thanks 17:37:54 <fjb> TrueBrain: They are like martians. 17:38:01 <TrueBrain> GeekyTeen: check the wiki page for more details :) 17:38:50 <TrueBrain> *blieb blieb* 17:38:56 <Belugas> GeekyTeen: the idea behind it is to get rid of the current AI ingame, which sucks. 17:39:10 <TrueBrain> Belugas: the idea, or the current AI? :) 17:39:15 <Belugas> so instead, use the brain of humans to build ais 17:39:26 <Belugas> ai ;) 17:39:29 <Belugas> of course TrueBrain 17:39:42 <TrueBrain> just checking ;) 17:39:46 <Belugas> funny you 17:39:50 <GeekyTeen> the AI on the playstation 1 version is much worse 17:39:56 <TrueBrain> your sentence was ambiguous :) 17:39:57 <GeekyTeen> the trains actually LOAD from power stations instead of coal mines 17:40:06 <Eddi|zuHause> may i voice a different opinion? :p 17:40:22 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: I gave you voice for a reason ;) 17:40:35 <GeekyTeen> the problem with AI is that it only thinks one step at a time, not the bigger picture 17:40:44 <fjb> Eddi|zuHause: I fear we are not able to deter you. 17:41:22 <Belugas> GeekyTeen, no, the main problem is the code ;) 17:41:28 <Belugas> it's hellish to the max 17:41:48 <TrueBrain> fjb: well, we are, but lets not go there ;) 17:41:55 <GeekyTeen> I guess making openTTD required a lot of cleaning up the old code? :P 17:42:28 <fjb> TrueBrain: You are. :-P 17:44:17 <TrueBrain> fair enough :) 17:45:04 <GeekyTeen> are user-made AIs avaliable for use in 0.6.2? 17:45:26 <fjb> No. 17:45:37 <TrueBrain> hence the NoAI project 17:45:53 <GeekyTeen> k 17:46:56 <GeekyTeen> wow, so these AIs use things like Minimum Spanning Tree? wow, I had no idea 17:47:38 <TrueBrain> pompiedom 17:47:59 <GeekyTeen> I like the idea of testing out AIs against each other, reminds me of Robot Wars :) 17:48:08 <Eddi|zuHause> steiner trees are a lot more funny than spanning trees ;) 17:48:27 <TrueBrain> banana trees 17:48:29 <TrueBrain> those are interesting 17:48:35 <GeekyTeen> random trees :) 17:48:51 * GeekyTeen goes to his garden to plant a random tree of no particular description 17:49:56 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-213-249-187-179.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 17:49:57 <|Jeroen|> plant somthing that bears fruit 17:50:24 <Prof_Frink> Plant something that fruits bears. 17:50:29 <GeekyTeen> it bears random fruit and/or random seeds 17:50:41 <GeekyTeen> lots of games use random seeds ;) 17:53:04 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-213-249-187-179.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:53:06 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:53:13 <fjb> Some girls also do. 17:53:17 <Eddi|zuHause> http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/04/01/funny-pictures-lolcat-seeds/ 17:53:39 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 17:54:34 <GeekyTeen> any good newGRFs for helicopters? 17:54:43 <fjb> Yes. 17:55:10 *** Yeggzzz is now known as Yeggstry 17:55:21 <GeekyTeen> k 17:55:52 <fjb> l 17:56:00 <GeekyTeen> m 17:56:37 <glx> n 17:56:37 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:56:56 <Wolf01> y 17:57:08 <GeekyTeen> because I can 17:57:25 <glx> Wolf01: you failed 17:57:31 <Wolf01> no 17:57:32 <Wolf01> :D 17:57:48 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe the italians have different alphabet :p 17:57:59 <GeekyTeen> he gets brownie points for following his own destiny 17:58:12 <fjb> Wolf01 only used a different datatype. 17:58:29 <Eddi|zuHause> EBCDIC? 17:58:34 <fjb> Bool. 17:58:40 <Wolf01> n->no y->yes 17:58:44 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has joined #openttd 17:58:50 <fjb> Like I said. 17:59:02 <GeekyTeen> we were progressing alphabetically 17:59:05 <Wolf01> oooooh 17:59:17 <TrueBrain> GeekyTeen: clearly he wasn't 17:59:25 <fjb> IRC ist not type safe. 17:59:38 <GeekyTeen> k-l-m-n 17:59:55 <fjb> What about t? 17:59:56 <TrueBrain> fjb: lol! I have to remember that .. IRC is not type safe .. haha :) 18:00:09 <GeekyTeen> type safe? 18:00:38 <Prof_Frink> Safe typing. Wear rubber gloves. 18:00:46 <Eddi|zuHause> statically or dynamically? 18:00:51 <yorick> dih: I studied the code some more, the connection before PACKET_SERVER_JOIN times out 18:01:36 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: clearly neither one :) 18:01:51 <GeekyTeen> anyone remember when you used to delete level crossings in TTO? :) 18:02:20 <yorick> means you can only bruteforce passwords that have len() = 2 if you don't join 18:03:21 <GeekyTeen> yorick: why would anyone have a password of a length of 2? 18:03:30 <yorick> good question :-P 18:03:49 <GeekyTeen> having a password length of 1 would be funny 18:04:06 <Wolf01> I often use a space 18:04:13 <yorick> bad wolf! 18:04:15 <GeekyTeen> it accepts a space? lol 18:04:35 <GeekyTeen> my default password is niave 18:04:43 <fjb> That is secure. A space does not have len() = 2. 18:04:52 <Wolf01> not on OTTD, in forums etc, if they accept 18:04:54 <yorick> ok, len() <= 2 18:05:42 <GeekyTeen> why can't you bruteforce passwords that have len() = 1? 18:06:37 <yorick> see above, you can 18:07:57 <Eddi|zuHause> <yorick> bad wolf! <- i fear nobody got that one :p 18:08:12 <GeekyTeen> you mean the doctor who reference? 18:08:27 <Eddi|zuHause> who? 18:08:41 <GeekyTeen> or did you mean red riding hood? or the three little pigs? 18:09:21 <Eddi|zuHause> i did nothing! 18:09:30 <GeekyTeen> Exactly! 18:09:41 <GeekyTeen> Now hurry up and get me Scissors! 61! 18:09:44 <Prof_Frink> GeekyTeen: Don't blink. 18:10:03 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:10:28 <GeekyTeen> Mr Flibble is very cross 18:11:32 <Prof_Frink> Why's it got to be built? 18:11:50 <GeekyTeen> Because the king of the potato people demands it 18:12:06 <GeekyTeen> shall I get on my knees and beg him for your forgiveness? 18:12:22 <Prof_Frink> What do you mean, why's it got to be built? It is a bypass. You've got to build bypasses. 18:12:47 <GeekyTeen> Always take your towel with you 18:13:26 <GeekyTeen> Thomas the Tank Engine is a really useful engine 18:13:53 <GeekyTeen> Remember: Only you can start house fires 18:13:58 <TrueBrain> Adams-freaks 18:14:44 <GeekyTeen> Well, you're wondering how much money I have for a station, in all the confusion I kind of forgot myself... so do you feel lucky? well do ya? PUNK?! 18:15:22 <GeekyTeen> noAI > original AI? THIS IS MADNESS! 18:15:29 *** Tim [~Tim@p5B37EC5D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:15:42 <Prof_Frink> GeekyTeen: There was no original AI. Only AS. 18:16:06 <GeekyTeen> Thats only what you want to believe 18:16:22 <GeekyTeen> tomorrow you'll wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe 18:16:29 <Eddi|zuHause> if you build it, he will come. 18:16:38 <GeekyTeen> I'm Brian and so's my wife! 18:17:04 <Eddi|zuHause> if you want somebody to build it for you, press 1. 18:17:13 <GeekyTeen> 1 18:17:52 <GeekyTeen> To be or not to be that is the question 18:17:58 <fjb> Eddi|zuHause: How did you survive that thread? 18:18:10 <Eddi|zuHause> i skipped it ;) 18:18:24 <GeekyTeen> I knitted a sweater with it 18:18:33 <fjb> Ok, Ifeared for your mental health... 18:18:57 <GeekyTeen> good, that means you do not fear for me now, i am as sane as Hannibal Leckter 18:19:14 <Eddi|zuHause> if 5 pages of posts appear within 2 hours, in a forum that often has only 2 posts per day, there can't be anything useful inbetween :p 18:19:25 <GeekyTeen> Ships > Road > Train > Air... TAKE THAT stereotype! 18:19:40 <Prof_Frink> Take That? Get out. 18:19:43 <fjb> Eddi|zuHause: Don't think you missed anything. 18:20:04 <GeekyTeen> by the way, the fast forward icon just makes the program run twice as fast, it doesnt actually speed up the game. TOUCHE! 18:20:32 <Eddi|zuHause> besides, they discuss an outdated version of a patch pack... that can't be good... 18:21:01 <GeekyTeen> good = bad = good 18:21:12 <fjb> No, really not? But it is the patch pack with the most patches. It has to be the best. Doesn't it? :-) 18:21:55 <GeekyTeen> If you're having patch problem I feel bad for you son, I've got 99 problems but a patch aint one, HIT ME! 18:22:05 <peter1138> How's the router? 18:22:13 <fjb> It hit him. 18:22:36 <GeekyTeen> router = trouter = trout = fish 18:22:52 <Ammler> hmm 18:23:00 <Eddi|zuHause> you better slap yourself with it. 18:23:02 <Ammler> @seen rortom 18:23:02 <DorpsGek> Ammler: rortom was last seen in #openttd 4 days, 5 hours, 3 minutes, and 5 seconds ago: <rortom> TrueBrain, supreme commander :) lagged as hell ;) 18:23:03 <GeekyTeen> my logic is impecable 18:23:24 <TrueBrain> did someone took the wrong pill today? :s 18:23:44 <GeekyTeen> the answer to that would be; banana boats 18:24:21 <GeekyTeen> I am neither here nor there, what am I? 18:24:24 <Eddi|zuHause> that quote looks horribly out of context :p 18:25:07 <Belugas> AN ILLUSION 18:25:18 <Belugas> A nightmare 18:25:22 <GeekyTeen> if my openttd directory is (23,754,026 bytes) how many ships can I make before the computer crashes? 18:25:28 <TrueBrain> nightmare, I vote yes 18:25:29 <Belugas> a delirium tremems 18:25:30 <Ammler> this rortom still does distribute our pack without permission... 18:25:35 <GeekyTeen> answer in less then 10 characters 18:25:38 <Prof_Frink> Dirigible! 18:25:53 <TrueBrain> Ammler: sue him! 18:26:01 <Ammler> how? 18:26:04 <Belugas> answer is 6 characters long 18:26:04 <GeekyTeen> only forest fires can prevent bears 18:26:20 * Prof_Frink fights for the right to arm bears 18:26:48 <GeekyTeen> You gotta fight. For your right. To part with E. 18:26:56 * hylje deploys bear cavarly 18:27:01 * Belugas fights for the right to save bears 18:27:10 * Belugas fights for the right to drink beer 18:27:21 <GeekyTeen> its official, the Kirby Paul Tank is of no relation to Paul McCartney, take that Heather Mills! 18:27:40 <Belugas> someone has a pill for GeekyTeen? 18:27:48 <TrueBrain> GeekyTeen: enough is enough already, cool down 18:27:57 <Prof_Frink> Belugas: You have an @... 18:28:04 <TrueBrain> (or interested in an other +b?) 18:28:05 <Belugas> yeah... 18:28:10 <Belugas> i do indeed 18:29:25 <GeekyTeen> bye bye 18:29:27 *** GeekyTeen [~GStaple@host86-151-90-81.range86-151.btcentralplus.com] has quit [] 18:29:43 *** welshdragon [~vista@host81-157-252-208.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:30:11 <TrueBrain> @op 18:30:13 *** mode/#openttd [+o TrueBrain] by DorpsGek 18:30:19 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!*@host86-136-221-52.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] by TrueBrain 18:30:19 <TrueBrain> @deop 18:30:22 *** mode/#openttd [-o TrueBrain] by DorpsGek 18:30:32 <TrueBrain> (btcentral is dynamic IP, don't like to ban some random other person who is unrelated ;)) 18:31:13 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!*@*.btcentralplus.com] by peter1138 18:31:15 <peter1138> That's the real one ;) 18:31:18 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!*@*.btcentralplus.com] by peter1138 18:31:34 <TrueBrain> peter1138: hehe :) 18:31:55 <Prof_Frink> /ban *!*@*.* 18:32:04 <peter1138> Hmm, I bought two components to build my headphone splitter... but I forgot I don't have a soldering iron... 18:32:20 <Belugas> i do 18:32:28 * Belugas gives it to peter1138 18:32:40 <Rubidium> hmm, should I do a /mode +e Rubidium!~rubidium@rbijker.net ? 18:32:47 <TrueBrain> peter1138: I still have to buy one too, only they are either VERY expensive, or suck .. 18:33:01 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: you have chanserv access 18:33:07 <peter1138> Yeah... 18:33:15 <Ammler> he has also no trust in the nightly server: http://87.98.141.190/ottdfiles/game/ ;-) 18:33:30 <fjb> Especially with the new lead free solder... 18:33:45 <Belugas> i have mine for 10 years, i think and i guess that since it is not falling in the expensive category, it would sucks but surprisingly, it does not 18:33:51 <Belugas> it burns instead 18:33:53 <Belugas> ol 18:34:10 <Prof_Frink> Sacro bums instead 18:34:15 <TrueBrain> Belugas: buy me one too :) 18:34:22 <peter1138> I have a gas-powered one, but it leaks, and I've got no replacement gas anyway. 18:34:31 * Belugas sets time-machine -10 years 18:34:43 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-213-249-187-179.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 18:34:49 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-213-249-187-179.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [] 18:35:06 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-213-249-187-179.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 18:35:17 <Eddi|zuHause> Prof_Frink: i think you are right ;) 18:35:18 <peter1138> Bouncy Sacro is bouncy. 18:35:32 <Sacro> yup 18:35:44 <peter1138> Hmm, which bit is which in a TRS connector? 18:35:58 <Wolf01> I would like to have fast forward on life like on OTTD 18:36:21 <Ammler> orudge: still at quakenet? 18:36:35 <peter1138> Ah, tip is left, ring is right, sleeve is ground. 18:36:40 * fjb gives Sacro a bouncy castle. 18:36:58 <Sacro> woo! 18:37:48 <Belugas> Wolf01, no you don't... since there is no turning back, in OpenTTD nor in real life ;) 18:38:06 <Belugas> or rolling back, or revert-last-change 18:38:08 <Belugas> or else 18:38:21 <fjb> Safe your life, so you get it back. 18:38:21 <Wolf01> I don't want to turn back 18:38:27 <Prof_Frink> Belugas: I'd like you to meet my friend. 18:38:33 <Wolf01> only see forward, and quick as possible 18:38:35 <Prof_Frink> He's called The Doctor 18:38:36 <Wolf01> :D 18:38:47 <Prof_Frink> fjb: Like a yeti! 18:39:32 <Belugas> Prof_Frink: why? 18:39:40 * fjb invents a yeti at home project. 18:39:58 <Belugas> Wolf01: message : youth is wonderfull, getting old is... not as enjoyable 18:40:13 * Belugas wishes he could be "just" 10 years younger 18:45:41 <fjb> A tiume mashine won't help there. 18:46:31 * yorick is running some tests to see how long it would take to bruteforce the rcon password, no, he won't publish :-) 18:47:39 <yorick> it turns out bruteforcing slows the server down havily, enough to get a password with lenght 4 in a minute or so 18:47:55 <yorick> hm 18:47:58 <yorick> my openttd crashed 18:48:41 <Wolf01> but, Belugas, a customisable daylength feature would be right on real life 18:48:48 <yorick> after trying to clear the console backlog 18:49:29 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-130-250.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 18:49:37 <Belugas> Wolf01: already exists : called traveling ;) 18:50:23 <yorick> but traveling doesn't have a patch option to make it affect your need of sleep 18:51:15 <Belugas> pills, herbal tea 18:51:23 <Belugas> hypnosis 18:51:34 <Belugas> listening to radio head 18:51:46 <Belugas> that is for more sleep 18:51:47 <Wolf01> living to see the time flow 18:52:25 <Belugas> easy. heat your clock until it is liquid :) 18:52:34 <Belugas> it will then flow 18:52:38 <Belugas> ho boy... 18:52:51 *** Belugas was kicked from #openttd by Belugas [can you make sens once in a while???] 18:53:06 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 18:53:09 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 18:53:11 <yorick> ... 18:53:17 <Wolf01> welcome back Belugas 18:53:54 <Belugas> :) 18:53:56 <Wolf01> mmmh... I want to do something... 18:54:17 <Wolf01> ...to make the time flow faster 18:54:46 * TrueBrain pets Belugas 18:54:47 <eekee> I am playing a 64x64 temperate map with one town. It started with 3 coal mines. Now the 11th one has just appeared 18:54:58 <eekee> Wolf01: I know the feeling 18:54:59 <Wolf01> lol 18:55:23 <Eddi|zuHause> Belugas spent too much time interpreting paintings of Dalà 18:55:23 <Wolf01> anybody tried my swamp scenario? 18:55:48 <Belugas> a cookie for Eddi|zuHause :D 18:56:15 <eekee> Wolf01: link pls 18:56:38 <Wolf01> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=60&t=39235 18:56:45 <eekee> thanku 18:57:12 <Eddi|zuHause> swamp should be a terrain type where rails suddenly disappear :p 18:57:47 <Wolf01> if you remove a tile of river you should see the sea coming and flood all 18:57:58 <eekee> ah wow 18:58:03 <Wolf01> a tile of river near the coast 18:58:16 <eekee> I see 18:59:53 <eekee> ahh wow. what terrain grfs did you use? 19:00:02 <eekee> (in the screenshot) 19:00:46 <Wolf01> the terrain should be the standard one, I loaded rivers and TTRSv3 only to make the screenshot 19:00:52 <Wolf01> * and stolentrees 19:01:21 <eekee> it's ugly without a rivers grf ^^' 19:01:26 <Wolf01> yeah 19:03:33 *** michi_cc [5a41a375b0@dude.icosahedron.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:05:09 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:05:38 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 19:09:43 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14243 /trunk/src/smallmap_gui.cpp: -Fix [FS#2269]: clicking on the smallmap didn't break the "follow vehicle in main viewport". 19:10:50 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@user-54470bf2.wfd82a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:11:43 <yorick> hm, possibly not so good, I can bruteforce everything before "dab9" with abc-order 19:12:07 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:12:39 <eekee> erm, how do you follow a vehicle in the main viewport? Shouldn't it be on the T key, like it was in TTD? 19:12:52 <yorick> eekee: ctrl-click the eye in the vehicle toolbar 19:12:56 <eekee> ahh 19:13:02 <eekee> ty 19:13:42 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has joined #openttd 19:16:03 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truebrain * r14244 /trunk/ (Makefile.in Makefile.lang.in Makefile.src.in config.lib): -Fix: add 'Auto-generated' text when autogenerated, not in template (complain by blathijs ;)) 19:16:21 *** welshdragon [~vista@host81-157-252-208.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 19:19:54 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:28:12 *** michi_cc [0250cef52a@dude.icosahedron.de] has joined #openttd 19:28:12 *** mode/#openttd [+v michi_cc] by ChanServ 19:29:09 *** valhalla1w is now known as valhallasw 19:30:06 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46ad5.virnxx14.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 19:30:08 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 19:31:51 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 19:32:50 * eekee hunts for rivers grf 19:36:10 <Wolf01> mmmh seem that full load doesn't work very well 19:36:42 <Wolf01> my trains leave half empty 19:37:07 <eekee> I've thought that a couple of times, but usually it only seems not to work when the engine has some capacity for some different cargo 19:37:22 <eekee> it fills up th eengine & goes >_> 19:37:51 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@78-21-228-27.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 19:37:55 <Wolf01> no, it is a steam engine and it doesn't have room for cargo 19:38:38 <Wolf01> every time they leave with a different load: all wagons 10t of steel, another time 25t of steel 19:38:46 <Wolf01> another time they full load 19:39:17 <Wolf01> I have not timetabled the schedule and the orders are set on full load any 19:39:17 <eekee> hrm! what version? 19:39:24 <fjb> Time table? 19:39:35 <Prof_Frink> Times tables? 19:39:35 <Wolf01> r14239 19:40:01 <eekee> oh same one as I'm using. it's been ok 19:43:32 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14245 /trunk/src/ (gfxinit.cpp newgrf_config.cpp): -Fix: NewGRF configs loaded from the config file would always default to the DOS palette instead of the "default" palette. 19:44:37 <eekee> Wolf01: where do you get your rivers grf? 19:44:51 <peter1138> http://grfcrawler.tt-forums.net/ probably. 19:45:13 <ccfreak2k> Wolf01, or...half full? 19:45:30 <Wolf01> ? 19:45:37 <ccfreak2k> <Wolf01> my trains leave half empty 19:45:41 <Wolf01> ah 19:45:49 <eekee> peter1138: not there, nor does it seem to be in the graphics section of the forums 19:45:57 <Wolf01> no, I'm pessimist 19:46:02 <peter1138> Well it is. 19:46:34 <Ammler> eekee: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=681507#p681507 19:46:39 <Wolf01> eekee, I downloaded them from Michael Blunck 19:46:41 <Wolf01> 's site 19:46:41 <Ammler> or from OpenGFX 19:47:32 <eekee> I guess I missed downloading one of the opengfx files 19:47:41 <eekee> also ty for link 19:47:57 <peter1138> # discovery of fire, america, 19:48:04 *** nappe1_ [ohj8laka@adsl-109-202-79.kymp.net] has joined #openttd 19:48:08 <peter1138> # the invention of the wheel, steel work and democracy 19:48:08 <Ammler> eekee: newWaterFeature or something like that 19:48:17 <peter1138> # philosophy, the soviets and other events in history of humanity 19:48:24 <peter1138> # happened at a certain given moment in time 19:48:29 <peter1138> This lyrics sure are snappy... 19:49:03 <peter1138> # won't go back, to the days, couldn't even start a fire 19:49:13 <peter1138> # won't go back, to the days, america'd not been discovered 19:49:20 <peter1138> # the transition has been operated for ever 19:49:30 <peter1138> # what had gone on before from what there'd been after 19:49:31 <peter1138> :o 19:49:53 *** sunkan [sunkan@sunkan.bsnet.se] has quit [Quit: - nbs-irc 2.36 - www.nbs-irc.net -] 19:50:00 <peter1138> Tune's good though :p 19:51:12 <peter1138> # you and me, are molded by things 19:51:13 *** sunkan [sunkan@sunkan.bsnet.se] has joined #openttd 19:51:23 <peter1138> # well beyond, our, acknowledgment 19:51:25 <Prof_Frink> You are mouldy 19:51:39 * peter1138 mourns 19:51:40 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Poef!] 19:52:35 <Wolf01> eh... Pikka's industries raise the production also when the estimate transported is > 100% 19:53:58 <Wolf01> sorry, I was wrong.. s/100%/275% :P 19:54:13 <fjb> More than 100% transported? That is really amazing. 19:54:33 <Wolf01> no, more than 275% transported, thats more amazing 19:54:40 <Prof_Frink> Wolf01: Your regex is missing a trailing delimiter. 19:54:48 <Wolf01> gah 19:55:00 <peter1138> NEVER forget the Trailing Delimiter. 19:55:17 <Wolf01> s/\%/\\%? 19:55:51 <Prof_Frink> Wolf01: Again 19:55:56 <Wolf01> doh 19:56:03 <Wolf01> I'm not so good on regex 19:56:35 <Prof_Frink> Unfortunetely you had stuff after the regex, so s|$|/| doesn't work 19:57:00 <Wolf01> I tried an hour ago to search on the logs with a nickname and something he said, but without luck 20:09:11 <Wolf01> 'night 20:09:17 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host245-236-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 20:12:37 * davis- gn 20:12:40 *** davis- [~asd@p5B28BAE8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:15:01 <dih> peter1138: i have a reproducable issue with cargopackets ;-) 20:15:06 <dih> cargodest 20:15:12 *** Sionide [sionide@cornflakes.imen.org.uk] has quit [Quit: Terminated with extreme prejudice - dircproxy 1.0.5] 20:15:35 <peter1138> Good for you. 20:23:21 <dih> i thought you developed on that branch too 20:23:30 <dih> question on a side note 20:23:42 <dih> newgrf's can be the cause of desyncs 20:24:03 <dih> so a bug report regarding a game that is running with newgrfs is not always the best right? 20:24:09 <FauxFaux> Yes. 20:24:43 <Ammler> well, if you can reproduce it, why not? 20:25:13 <dih> because i am hesitant to running my auto nightly server with newgrfs 20:25:47 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:25:56 <dih> and was kinda hoping that there were some 'safe' newgrfs 20:26:01 <dih> like generic trams or something 20:26:32 <Ammler> at least the static grfs sould be safe :P 20:26:49 <Ammler> should 20:26:54 <dih> i dont need to run the static's server side 20:27:06 *** rortom [~rortom@p57B7D4AD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:27:11 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has joined #openttd 20:29:17 <Ammler> it should also be part of the nightly playing to find GRF bugs 20:30:37 <dih> not as important ;-) 20:34:50 <Eddi|zuHause> brianetta is already on to hunting the grf bugs 20:35:25 <dih> nice 20:35:27 <dih> very good 20:35:33 <dih> then i can leave it as it is :-) 20:38:26 <eekee> oh crap. I can't load my savegames from today 20:42:28 <Eddi|zuHause> happens when you mess around with patches... 20:42:57 <eekee> no patches, stock ottd svn pull 20:45:23 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: [FATAL] Client error: Memory leak - More RAM needed. More! More! More!] 20:45:24 <eekee> in fact I think the only ones I can't load are the ones saved from the revision I'm trying to load with - r14239. It's also a nightly, so I dunno if anyone else has had the problem 20:49:03 <eekee> compiling 14245 now 20:54:49 <eekee> that doesn't load it either 20:55:57 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 20:57:54 <eekee> hmm the only trunk changes outside trunk/os/debian are trunk/src/build_vehicle_gui.cpp (2 changes, one a change to sorting) and trunk/src/cargopacket.cpp 20:59:31 <eekee> is there any way to find what version a save game was saved with? 20:59:34 <Eddi|zuHause> err... the latter is very likely breaking something... 20:59:49 <eekee> could well do 21:00:15 *** murray [murray@2001:470:1f0a:1be::ea7:beef] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:00:38 <Rubidium> saveload works fine for me 21:00:41 <eekee> it adds a static_cast to one line: http://vcs.openttd.org/svn/changeset?new=trunk%4014239&old=trunk%4014234#file23 21:00:54 <eekee> might be something wierder 21:01:09 <Eddi|zuHause> ah... i thought you meant local changes 21:01:48 * eekee files it, with savegames 21:02:19 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think anyone is going to be able to help there... 21:02:34 <eekee> :( 21:02:46 <eekee> I did some tricky track work in those saves, lol 21:03:27 <Eddi|zuHause> well, when you can't load a savegame, either your harddisk failed, or your version was changed 21:03:52 <eekee> greeeaaaat 21:04:07 <Eddi|zuHause> like, for example, cargodest savegames won't work in nightlies 21:04:30 <eekee> Eddi|zuHause: you're over-explaining 21:05:23 <Eddi|zuHause> # Sin eriol natha túr 21:05:25 <Eddi|zuHause> # In úgarnen Mi naurath 21:05:26 <Eddi|zuHause> # Oroin Boe hedi i VÃn 21:05:28 <Eddi|zuHause> # Han i vangad i moe ben 21:06:34 *** murray [murray@2001:470:1f0a:1be::ea7:beef] has joined #openttd 21:07:08 <fjb> Hm, Fva revby angun gúe also doesn't make sense. 21:07:21 *** welshdragon [~vista@host81-157-252-208.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:07:34 <glx> eekee: check the first bytes in the save game (4 of them are the savegame version) 21:07:40 <glx> IIRC 21:10:14 <Eddi|zuHause> 00000000 4f 54 54 5a 00 69 00 00 |OTTZ.i..| <- this is what mine looks like 21:10:34 <Eddi|zuHause> eekee: failing to load savegames might also be due to lack of zlib 21:10:53 <eekee> mine's very simila 21:10:54 <eekee> r 21:11:09 <Eddi|zuHause> the 69 there is my savegame version 21:11:22 <eekee> Eddi|zuHause: this computer hasn't changed much in the last year. It certainly hasn't lost zlib overnight 21:11:23 <Eddi|zuHause> should be 105 (dec) 21:11:47 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fcd80.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:12:08 <eekee> mine has 65 where yours has 69 21:12:39 <eekee> Eddi|zuHause: you using r14243? 21:12:42 <glx> Eddi|zuHause: cargodest? 21:13:17 <Eddi|zuHause> custom cargodest with timetables 21:13:58 <Eddi|zuHause> fjb: "Es wurden keine mit Ihrer Suchanfrage - Fva revby angun gúe - ÃŒbereinstimmenden Dokumente gefunden" 21:14:07 <glx> current trunk is 101 21:14:14 *** dazjorz [~dazjorz@82-171-113-142.ip.telfort.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:14:56 <eekee> 0x65 == 101 21:15:05 <glx> right :) 21:15:21 *** welshdragon [~vista@host81-157-252-208.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 21:15:56 <glx> and it's like that since 14233 21:18:56 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@mnch-5d876ec8.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 21:19:49 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5DF92.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:21:27 <eekee> hmm I doubt disk errors would affect a number of successive saves identically, unless my run of luck with hard drives really has run out :) 21:25:55 *** Tim [~Tim@p5B37EC5D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:27:05 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i'm no expert on RIFF, but shouldn't anything remotely resembling the filesize be at the start of the file? 21:28:06 <Eddi|zuHause> well... you most likely just cut off the first 8 bytes and pipe the rest into zlib... 21:28:21 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:28:25 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has joined #openttd 21:28:52 *** rortom [~rortom@p57B7D4AD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:30:23 *** Elukka [~elukka.el@bb-89-166-41-222.dsl.phnet.fi] has joined #openttd 21:30:39 <Elukka> i thought i'd wander here 21:30:40 <Elukka> hi 21:31:03 *** Celestar_ [~Jadzia_Da@mnch-5d876ec8.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 21:31:16 <Eddi|zuHause> i only wonder here... 21:31:27 *** Celestar is now known as Guest5302 21:31:27 *** Celestar_ is now known as celestar 21:31:30 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has quit [Quit: Quit] 21:31:43 <Elukka> anyway, i actually came to bug you for help 21:31:49 *** celestar is now known as Celestar 21:32:01 <Rubidium> Celestar: can you take a look at FS#2260? 21:32:22 <Celestar> Rubidium: yes 21:32:35 <Elukka> i wanted to try if i could change a 32bpp, as an experiment 21:32:54 <Celestar> Rubidium: will do 21:33:07 <Elukka> what do i actually do with the pngcodec thing? it just appears for a split second and then disappears 21:33:31 <glx> it's a command mine tool 21:33:38 <glx> s/mine/line 21:33:58 <Elukka> my nerdom must be incomplete 21:34:08 <Elukka> because i have no idea what you just said 21:34:24 <Eddi|zuHause> that's because he missed the closing delimiter 21:34:35 <glx> you can't use pngcodec by just clicking on it 21:34:45 <Elukka> so how can i use it? 21:35:16 <Elukka> i failed to find anything in the wiki or the thread 21:35:25 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 21:35:34 *** Guest5302 [~Jadzia_Da@mnch-5d876ec8.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:35:46 <Eddi|zuHause> i thought pngcodec wasn't needed anymore since we now have ini files? (or something...) 21:35:47 <fjb> I would try to start it from the command line. 21:36:13 <glx> Eddi|zuHause: png codec is still needed to add offsets in 32bpp pngs 21:36:45 <Eddi|zuHause> then i probably misunderstood some statement that i caught on a half eye 21:37:10 <Elukka> i do need to redo the offset if i modify a sprite, right? 21:37:57 <glx> only if your image editor removed the tags 21:38:05 <Elukka> hmm 21:38:21 <Elukka> right, managed to open pngcodec 21:38:26 <Elukka> thanks 21:38:40 <Elukka> another basic question... how do i repack the thing into a tar? 21:38:57 <glx> with tar 21:39:01 <Eddi|zuHause> with tar 21:39:06 <Elukka> with... tar? 21:39:21 <Eddi|zuHause> tar -cf archive.tar filelist 21:39:53 <eekee> I wonder if winzip might be able to make a tar file? I think it can unpack them 21:40:01 <Eddi|zuHause> but i don't think making a tar is necessary 21:40:16 <Eddi|zuHause> it just helps keeping the files together 21:40:19 <Elukka> winrar did unpack it, but i think it can only compress into zip or rar 21:40:48 <Eddi|zuHause> well, you can just try to drag the file back into the archive ;) 21:41:21 <Eddi|zuHause> tar is not actually compressed, only all files packed after each other 21:41:41 <Elukka> ah 21:42:04 <glx> with some padding 0 21:42:17 <glx> and a header before each file 21:42:56 <Prof_Frink> iirc 7zip can do tars 21:42:57 <TrueBrain> tar is optional yes 21:43:27 <Eddi|zuHause> it was originally meant as a tool to store several files on a tape drive, that allowed only the storage of one big file 21:43:50 <glx> Tape Archive IIRC 21:43:55 <Eddi|zuHause> so you pack the files into one big tar file, and then put the tar file on the tape 21:44:31 <Eddi|zuHause> the advantage of tar is, with some magic you can access the individual files without unpacking the archive 21:44:37 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has quit [Quit: Quit] 21:44:53 <Elukka> ...uh, i could just access the individual files with winrar, right? 21:44:56 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 21:45:04 <glx> yes and sometime the magic fails ;) 21:45:13 <Eddi|zuHause> tapes were invented some 40 years before winrar :p 21:45:33 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: goodnight] 21:45:36 <glx> we had nice weird bugs in NoAI because of failing magic 21:45:50 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has quit [] 21:46:13 <Elukka> the forbidden art of software magick 21:46:22 <Eddi|zuHause> Elukka: you don't need to make a tar, you can have the files in a simple directory 21:46:38 <Elukka> how.. simple 21:47:14 <glx> just keep the structure you get when you extract the tar 21:47:42 <Eddi|zuHause> directories are actually more complex than tars ;) 21:47:55 <Eddi|zuHause> only the access is more comfortable ;) 21:48:03 <glx> they are in the tar 21:48:20 <Elukka> some magic must have failed 21:48:42 <Elukka> i have things setup for 32bpp, i tried it earlier and it worked 21:48:59 <glx> using tars is nice because you need only 1 FILE pointer for all the files in the tar 21:49:20 <Elukka> now i have these grass sprites, the same file structure, yet they dont show up in the game 21:49:44 <Elukka> could the problem be i modified one of them? 21:50:00 <Rubidium> yes 21:50:10 <Eddi|zuHause> do not do too many steps at once ;) 21:50:17 <Rubidium> as stated on the wiki page about pngcodec (should be VERY simple to find) 21:50:25 <Elukka> yeah, i found that 21:50:28 <Elukka> so i do need to use it 21:51:49 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 21:51:50 <Elukka> glx mentioned i need to redo it only if the editor removes the tags, which i guess it did 21:57:59 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:02:19 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-213-249-187-179.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:12:48 <Elukka> blagh 22:12:51 <Elukka> ukset spoiled me 22:13:05 <Elukka> now i cant play with industries that dont have stockpiles :/ 22:13:15 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-213-249-187-179.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 22:16:17 <Elukka> hmm.. i think i can use the us trainset with ukset industries 22:16:47 <Sacro> Elukka: what about the atlantic? 22:16:57 <Elukka> what 22:17:04 <Elukka> ah 22:17:05 <Elukka> slow 22:17:32 <Elukka> im wondering 22:17:51 <Elukka> are there any industry sets with stockpiling, besides ukset? 22:19:15 <Yexo> Elukka: pbi (or is that ukset?) and ecs 22:19:40 <Elukka> if pbi means pikka's, thats ukset 22:19:43 <Elukka> have to look into ecs 22:21:52 <Ammler> http://hg.openttd.org/developers/celestar/cargodest.hg/rss-log <-- those links are wrong... 22:21:58 <Yexo> TrueBrain: the urls in the mercurial rss logs arewrong 22:22:43 <Ammler> :-) now we are complete 22:23:32 <glx> they are nice 22:23:49 <TrueBrain> LOL 22:23:52 <TrueBrain> so don't use it :p 22:23:53 *** WhitePower88 [~wpww1488@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 22:23:55 <TrueBrain> stupid piece of software :) 22:24:18 <WhitePower88> white power www.stormfront.org 22:24:23 <TrueBrain> @kban WhitePower88 don't ever again 22:24:24 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!~wpww1488@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] by DorpsGek 22:24:24 *** WhitePower88 was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [don't ever again] 22:24:53 <TrueBrain> that OFTC let him in .. 22:25:05 <glx> did he dcc send to you too? 22:25:08 <TrueBrain> first tor abuse I have seen 22:25:10 <Prof_Frink> Aye 22:25:13 <murray> me too 22:25:13 <TrueBrain> glx: he DCC send to #openttd 22:26:09 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-213-249-187-179.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:26:13 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:27:35 <Ammler> might need worth to tell about at #oftc 22:27:46 <Ammler> -need 22:27:47 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has joined #openttd 22:28:06 <TrueBrain> Ammler: I think he is klined already :p 22:28:29 <Elukka> if i install every ECS vector 22:28:34 <Elukka> my guess is it will be crazy 22:28:42 <Ammler> indeed 22:28:47 <Ammler> begin with 2 22:29:23 *** Farden [~jk3farden@ram94-7-82-232-189-236.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:29:24 <Elukka> do i need a special kind of trainset for this? 22:29:27 <Ammler> you can easy add them later 22:29:35 <Yexo> Elukka: the default trains won't work 22:29:41 *** Yeggstry is now known as Yeggzzz 22:29:46 <Yexo> all (big) sets that I know of do 22:29:56 <Elukka> ah good 22:30:04 <Elukka> haven't used default trains in ages anyway 22:30:30 <Ammler> Elukka: http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=ECSSupport 22:30:48 <Elukka> oh thanks, that helps 22:31:55 <Ammler> Rubidium: is it possible that old saves now per default use dos palette? 22:32:14 <Ammler> (on nightly with the new feature) 22:32:45 <Rubidium> Ammler: specify "old" saves 22:32:53 <Rubidium> what range of revisions/versions are you talking about? 22:33:05 <lobster_MB> !seen AlexFili 22:33:16 <Rubidium> or are you using nothing more recent than the nightly 22:33:25 <Ammler> save made with 14215 22:33:42 <Celestar> Eddi|zuHause: I've found the reason for the wrong routing with via/goto-switching 22:33:46 <Ammler> and loaded then with the cargodest 22:33:57 <Ammler> Rubidium: yep, didn't try trunk :-) 22:34:08 <Elukka> i'm going to totally confuse my friends with all the new grfs im getting the next time we play multiplayer 22:34:12 <Elukka> (again) 22:35:04 <Ammler> Elukka: it is worth to read the docs about the GRFs 22:35:30 <Celestar> Eddi|zuHause: and fixed it 22:35:40 <Eddi|zuHause> that is good news, i suppose ;) 22:35:49 <Elukka> real men jump in without reading any documentation 22:35:54 <Eddi|zuHause> but i'm asleep right now 22:35:54 <Celestar> .... 22:36:05 <Elukka> no, i really do read it 22:36:05 <Celestar> wtf 22:36:14 <Celestar> my bed just collapsed :o 22:36:25 <Yexo> I just tried to add NoAI to a cargodest build, but make failed with just an Error 2: http://paste.openttd.org/78530 22:36:30 <Eddi|zuHause> too much wild... wait... 22:36:38 <Elukka> i've had 2 chairs collapse 22:36:42 <Elukka> NOT WHEN I HAVE BEEN SITTING ON THEM 22:36:51 <Celestar> Eddi|zuHause: I'm alone and and NOT masturbating over the cargodest code :P 22:36:58 <Celestar> Elukka: i _am_ in bed 22:37:06 <Elukka> and it just collapsed? 22:37:09 <Elukka> and you're still there ircing? 22:37:22 <Celestar> Elukka: well, it's just 15 cm above the groun 22:37:23 <Celestar> d 22:37:32 <Elukka> ah 22:37:35 <Celestar> but I think I'll be off and survey the damage :P 22:37:36 <Rubidium> Ammler: it should work fine in HEAD 22:37:38 <Elukka> so not a big enough chance to warrant moving 22:37:44 <Elukka> you're like my lizard 22:37:47 <Celestar> Elukka: not really, no 22:37:59 <Celestar> I've got to go 22:38:03 <Celestar> :S 22:38:09 <Celestar> exactly what I need at 1 am :S 22:38:18 <Elukka> http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z113/Elucca/what.jpg?t=1220567891 22:38:32 <Elukka> "Oh, I seem to have fallen down. No matter." 22:38:47 <Celestar> haha 22:38:55 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@mnch-5d876ec8.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Quit: "Reparing bed"] 22:39:17 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:39:43 <Eddi|zuHause> the word is "whatever" 22:40:41 <Ammler> TrueBrain: thanks 22:41:01 <TrueBrain> Ammler: well, if I can help you with diong nothing, any day :) 22:41:23 <TrueBrain> (my way of saying: tnx for what?) 22:41:36 <Yexo> the urls in the rss logs ;) 22:41:43 <Rubidium> Yexo: most likely is a file listed in sources.list that doesn't exist 22:41:58 <Yexo> thx Rubidium,I'll have a look at that 22:42:05 <TrueBrain> then Ammler is thanking the wrong person 22:42:17 <TrueBrain> I guess either Rubidium did it, or we have ghosts 22:42:47 <Eddi|zuHause> a propos... need to set recording time for ghost whisperer... 22:44:41 <Elukka> ECS is strange and bewildering 22:44:46 <Elukka> i really do have to read some documentation 22:45:32 <Yexo> Rubidium: only thing I found is that table/palette_convert.h is not in source.list 22:45:54 <Ammler> hehe, so Rubidum did answer my question about the dos while he fixed the url, thank you... :-) 22:46:55 <Rubidium> Yexo: the problem is likely caused the other way around (file in source.list that doesn't exist) 22:47:23 <Yexo> I just found it (3rdparty/squirrel missing) 22:47:41 <Yexo> table/palette_convert.h is not in source.list <- that is in trunk, so you might want to fix it :) 22:48:00 <glx> how did you get the source? 22:48:27 *** Volley [~worf@84-119-53-183.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 22:48:45 <Yexo> glx: it was entirely my fault, I created a diff between noai and trunk and applied that to cargodest 22:48:56 <glx> hehe 22:49:21 <glx> indeed externals are not in the diff 22:51:20 <Ammler> is there no hg repo for ai? 22:51:38 <Ammler> noai, shouldn't that be easier to merge? 22:52:25 <Yexo> there is an hg repo for that but I've no idea how that should make merging easier 22:53:00 <Yexo> the noai hg repo seems seperated from the trunk hg repo (no common commits) 22:53:01 <Ammler> well, don't ask me, just what I heard about mercurial... 22:53:59 <Ammler> it might just be a "export" of svn branch 22:55:58 <Elukka> holy hell, ECS is complicated 22:56:00 <Elukka> this is awesome 22:59:04 <Ammler> how many vectors do you use? 23:00:15 <Elukka> i tried putting them all on, but i'm probably going to play with less at first 23:04:34 *** welshdragon2 [~vista@host81-157-252-208.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 23:04:44 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Quit: ecke] 23:07:47 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-2-131-220.manc.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 23:08:28 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@mnch-5d876ec8.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 23:08:28 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:08:36 <Celestar> bed repaired :P 23:08:46 <nckomodo> ECS? 23:08:55 <Celestar> Forked: you there? 23:09:08 <Yexo> nckomodo: extended cargo scheme (or somehting like that) 23:09:17 <Yexo> see http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=ECSVectors 23:09:41 <nckomodo> I see ECS and think of Entity Control Suite 23:10:20 <Celestar> TrueBrain: we could use the compile farm once more at some point 23:10:40 <nckomodo> or was it Command 23:10:57 <TrueBrain> Celestar: you can use it as often as you want :) 23:11:03 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has joined #openttd 23:11:19 <TrueBrain> (After all, you ARE a developer 23:12:18 *** welshdragon [~vista@host81-157-252-208.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:12:36 <Celestar> TrueBrain: then let's fire away (= 23:12:41 <Celestar> 3 critical crash fixes in 23:12:41 <TrueBrain> right now? :) 23:12:46 <Celestar> 2 potential desync fixes 23:12:47 <TrueBrain> that is bad luck, as currently it is working :) 23:13:02 <TrueBrain> ETA: 12 minutes 23:13:10 <TrueBrain> (testing 64bit debian package creation) 23:13:10 <Ammler> :-) 23:13:16 <Celestar> TrueBrain: that'll be ok 23:13:23 <TrueBrain> so I will schedule cargodest after that :) 23:13:24 <Celestar> TrueBrain: I'll try to stay away long enough (= 23:13:49 *** Volley [~worf@84-119-53-183.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:15:06 <Celestar> but I still have no idea why we lose orders 23:15:46 <Ammler> Celestar: will you make additional commits until then? 23:15:55 <Ammler> or shall we update the server... 23:15:56 <Celestar> Ammler: I don't think so 23:16:05 <Celestar> Ammler: not before tomorrow noonish I guess 23:17:46 <Elukka> hmh 23:17:54 <Elukka> is ECS supposed to put masses of fishing grounds everywhere? 23:18:16 <Celestar> yes 23:18:40 <TrueBrain> 250 seconds left .. tick tack 23:19:51 <Elukka> im going to guess each produces very little? 23:20:01 <Elukka> or its going to be a bit silly in that the world revolves around fish 23:21:19 <Celestar> a bit .. 23:21:36 <Ammler> hmm, what's that? http://paste.openttd.org/78628 23:21:36 <TrueBrain> oeh, I love this building system .. auto-scheduler, auto-job-cleanup, flexible-procs-per-job, ... 23:21:46 <TrueBrain> (Basicly, you only tell it: compile this, for this and this target, and off it goes) 23:21:53 <TrueBrain> Celestar: compiling 23:22:09 <Celestar> it rocks (= 23:22:33 <Celestar> Ammler: you seem to have a problem with the system. 23:22:53 <Ammler> hmm 23:22:56 <Ammler> :-( 23:23:19 <Ammler> reboot? 23:23:23 <TrueBrain> Ammler: it looks like your hg is completely broken :) 23:23:37 <Celestar> TrueBrain: I don't think so. The system reported "Too many open files" earlier 23:23:40 <TrueBrain> check /usr/lib/python2.N/site-packages/mercurial 23:23:47 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@user-54470bf2.wfd82a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 23:24:01 <TrueBrain> Celestar: okay, that is worse :) 23:24:07 <TrueBrain> (and really hard in nowedays systems :p) 23:24:10 <Celestar> Ammler: try a reboot 23:24:11 <Celestar> (= 23:24:19 <Ammler> TrueBrain: it is a virtualserver 23:24:43 <Celestar> Ammler: maybe we should 23:24:47 <Celestar> reboot :P 23:24:54 <Ammler> hehe 23:24:55 <Ammler> > uptime 23:24:57 <Ammler> uptime: couldn't get boot time: Too many open files in system 23:25:01 <TrueBrain> Ammler: hmm, still 23:25:05 <Ammler> omg 23:25:06 <TrueBrain> mostly you are allowed 1024 files 23:25:10 <TrueBrain> using that ... 23:25:19 <Celestar> Ammler: 23:25:19 <TrueBrain> what have you running?! :) 23:25:21 <Celestar> I have an idea 23:25:34 <Celestar> Ammler: try "ulimit -a" 23:26:23 <Celestar> MEH 23:26:25 <Celestar> stupid file server 23:26:27 <Celestar> Date/Time: Fri Sept 5 00:26:16 CEST 2008 23:26:27 <Celestar> Additional Info: 23:26:29 <Celestar> CRITICAL - load average: 29.53, 20.23, 12.82 23:26:42 <TrueBrain> LOL! 23:26:46 <TrueBrain> fork-bomb? :p 23:26:53 <Celestar> TrueBrain: no, IBM's backup software 23:27:04 <TrueBrain> nasty as ever 23:27:12 <Celestar> which is a SINGLE-threaded program apparently :P 23:27:26 <Ammler> http://paste.openttd.org/78640 23:27:44 <TrueBrain> 1024, pretty normal 23:27:47 <TrueBrain> Ammler: what is running? 23:27:50 <TrueBrain> (ps aux) 23:27:56 <TrueBrain> anything sane you want to close? :p 23:28:11 <Ammler> closed yast 23:28:15 <Ammler> now uptime works 23:28:58 <TrueBrain> :) 23:28:58 *** Yexo [~Yexo@dhcp-077-248-065-055.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:29:09 *** Yexo [~Yexo@dhcp-077-248-065-055.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 23:29:30 <Celestar> my user currently has 6000 files open 23:30:20 <TrueBrain> Celestar: insane 23:30:22 <TrueBrain> in so many ways 23:30:50 <Celestar> it's just a normal session 23:30:51 <Celestar> :P 23:31:00 <Celestar> X + konsole + konqueror + kontact 23:31:43 <Ammler> I have some defunct processes? 23:31:45 <TrueBrain> where in /proc are the current open files? 23:31:55 <TrueBrain> (I only know it under a vserver kernel in a VPS :p) 23:32:35 <TrueBrain> openttd-web has 2000 files open (which serves ALL web-related material for OpenTTD) 23:32:51 <Celestar> TrueBrain: heh ... some files are opened over 60 times :P 23:32:52 <TrueBrain> the compile-farm has just 300 files :p 23:32:59 <TrueBrain> so I don't see how you get 6000 :p 23:33:02 <TrueBrain> ... omg .. 23:33:10 <Celestar> TrueBrain: for example all the locale files 23:33:20 <Ammler> how do you count open files? 23:33:28 <Celestar> Ammler: lsof | wc -l 23:33:41 <Celestar> TrueBrain: the compile-farm does not run an X server 23:33:51 <TrueBrain> don't have lsof installed on any of my systems :p 23:33:55 <TrueBrain> very true 23:33:57 <Elukka> hmmmh 23:34:11 <Elukka> did the latest nightlies remove the "invisible trees with transparent buildings" patch? 23:34:14 <Ammler> 2615 23:34:25 <Celestar> TrueBrain: so I have about 600 individual files open 23:34:39 <Yexo> Elukka: not sure, use ctrl+x to set transparancy options 23:34:55 <Elukka> there doesnt seem to be a way to get invisible trees 23:34:57 <Elukka> just transparent 23:34:57 <Ammler> but the dev has only 600 23:35:01 <Celestar> 400 of which are in /usr/lib 23:35:01 <Elukka> which isnt invisible 23:35:16 <Elukka> uh yes there is 23:35:18 <Elukka> i suck, nevermind 23:35:18 <Yexo> Elukka: as I said, use ctrl+x,and use the green box under the trees 23:35:19 <Celestar> Elukka: there's a solid-colored-button in the transparenty options 23:35:23 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.21 :: www.esnation.com )] 23:36:05 <Celestar> damn 23:36:07 <Celestar> I should have merged :P 23:36:14 <Celestar> before firing up the compile farm 23:36:34 <Ammler> server is now compiling... 23:36:42 <TrueBrain> bad Celestar, bad bad Celestar 23:36:56 <Celestar> well, no important fixing since the last merge 23:37:04 <Ammler> Celestar: merge of trunk? 23:37:07 *** welshdragon2 is now known as welshdragon 23:37:18 <Celestar> yeah 23:37:19 <Ammler> dos palette :-) 23:37:21 <Celestar> @openttd bugs 23:37:21 <DorpsGek> Celestar: Temporary Offline 23:37:39 <Celestar> Ammler: well yes. 23:37:46 <Celestar> it's just a palette thingy 23:38:49 <Celestar> TrueBrain: well, closing kontact closes almost 1000 files (= 23:38:52 <Bjarni> goodnight 23:38:56 <Celestar> night Bjarni 23:39:01 <TrueBrain> Celestar: LOL! 23:39:08 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46ad5.virnxx14.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:39:18 <Celestar> TrueBrain: closing ONE of the konqueror windows, 400 files 23:39:38 <Celestar> the other, another 400 files :P 23:39:48 <Celestar> many many many shared libs 23:40:00 <Celestar> they're all listed as open files 23:40:05 <Ammler> FF? 23:40:12 <Ammler> or don't you use it? 23:40:15 <TrueBrain> Celestar: that aren't your TRUE open files 23:40:17 <Celestar> nope 23:40:19 <TrueBrain> lsof shows many many more 23:40:24 <Celestar> TrueBrain: how do I get the "true" open files :P 23:40:48 <TrueBrain> is in /proc somewhere 23:40:50 <TrueBrain> dunno 23:41:06 <TrueBrain> as I said, I can only find it 1-2-3 for my VPS servers :) 23:41:55 <TrueBrain> all targets are ready ... but not Windows 23:42:28 <Celestar> ... 23:43:22 <Ammler> TrueBrain: will OSX ever come back 23:43:30 <Ammler> or is that "unsolveable"? 23:43:47 <TrueBrain> more 'unknown' 23:44:07 <Celestar> I'm 100% that compiling openttd for fBSD on the compile farm would be no hassle. so why is macos that stupid :P 23:44:08 <TrueBrain> http://binaries.openttd.org/custom/cargodest/hd6fac260/ 23:44:37 <TrueBrain> /usr/src/OpenTTD/compile/src/station_gui.cpp: In member function 'virtual void StationViewWindow::OnClick(Point, int)': 23:44:37 <TrueBrain> /usr/src/OpenTTD/compile/src/station_gui.cpp:1074: warning: 'offset' may be used uninitialized in this function 23:44:40 <Celestar> Ammler: start new server? 23:44:46 <Celestar> TrueBrain: checking 23:44:53 *** grumbel [~grumbel@i577AC4DD.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 23:44:55 <Ammler> Celestar: still compiling 23:44:58 <Ammler> forgot -j 23:45:00 <TrueBrain> (for a change, MSVC is NOT complaining about that) 23:45:34 <TrueBrain> Celestar: no Virtualization Software supports OSX (well VMWare claims, but ... we don't want to run VMWare) 23:45:50 <Celestar> TrueBrain: the warning is syntactically correct. semantically not :P 23:46:35 <Celestar> TrueBrain: I shall fix it anyway. 23:46:44 <Celestar> TrueBrain: no other warnings? :D 23:47:00 <TrueBrain> see the 'logs' dir 23:47:03 <TrueBrain> contains all you want 23:47:07 <TrueBrain> (and all I know :p) 23:47:10 <TrueBrain> hmm .. a FreeBSD VM 23:47:12 <TrueBrain> now that is a plan 23:47:22 <Celestar> TrueBrain: I have one somewhere 23:47:46 * Celestar wonders "was it VMware or Xen?" 23:48:28 <TrueBrain> Celestar: well, it is not that hard to build one 23:48:31 <TrueBrain> just needs to be done 23:48:55 * FauxFaux wonders if a vs2008 and/or win64 nightly build log would be useful. 23:49:32 <TrueBrain> Iron Man is a nice movie 23:49:54 <Celestar> TrueBrain: /proc/sys/fs/file-nr and /proc/$PID/fd 23:50:45 <TrueBrain> 3456 on my workstation 23:51:05 <Celestar> TrueBrain: open files is first number - second number 23:51:21 <Celestar> 4928 on my workstation 23:51:45 <TrueBrain> second is 0, so that is easy 23:51:46 <TrueBrain> last is max 23:51:48 <TrueBrain> ;) 23:51:56 <Celestar> yeah 23:52:04 <TrueBrain> 1152 on my other workstation 23:52:06 <SmatZ> 2680 0 344117 23:52:11 <Celestar> 344117 :o 23:52:12 <SmatZ> huh 344k max open files? 23:52:13 <TrueBrain> (but that is just hosting mplayer and NoMachine currently 23:52:19 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: normal value 23:52:22 <Celestar> SmatZ: maximum allocatable file descriptors 23:52:26 <SmatZ> ok :) 23:52:34 <TrueBrain> the max value you ever reached it is 23:52:36 <TrueBrain> so .. 23:52:37 <SmatZ> I wonder, it is not 2**n or so... 23:52:43 <SmatZ> ah 23:52:54 <TrueBrain> highest 23:52:56 <TrueBrain> that is the word :) 23:53:35 <SmatZ> :) 23:53:44 <TrueBrain> Celestar: happy with your binaries? :p 23:53:57 <TrueBrain> I hope we can finish the new website soon, then at least I can make a webinterface for the compile farm 23:54:17 <Celestar> # cat /proc/sys/fs/file-nr 23:54:17 <Celestar> 4928 0 400000 23:54:23 <SmatZ> nice :) 23:54:25 <Celestar> TrueBrain: ask Ammler 23:54:38 <Celestar> SmatZ: "echo $NUMBER > /proc/sys/fs/file-max" ;) 23:55:05 <SmatZ> Celestar: :-) 23:55:07 <TrueBrain> cheater 23:55:09 <Celestar> :P 23:55:37 <Ammler> the binaries are alreay "connnected" to the our dev server :-) 23:55:43 <Ammler> d 23:55:54 <Ammler> thank you 23:56:11 <TrueBrain> I love scripting :) 23:56:13 <Ammler> oh, and I wish you all a good night 23:56:18 <TrueBrain> night Ammler 23:56:25 <Celestar> nite 23:57:18 * SmatZ guesses the third number depends on size of RAM 23:58:16 <SmatZ> night Ammler 23:59:12 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-2-131-220.manc.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ]