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*** Dragoo_ [~Dragoo@2.81-166-46.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Quit: i <3 pork (http://dev.ojnk.net)] 06:13:06 *** Fuco [dota.keys@wireless-105.fi.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 06:14:02 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has joined #openttd 06:16:46 *** sunkan [sunkan@sunkan.bsnet.se] has joined #openttd 06:24:57 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc1-rdng14-0-0-cust946.winn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 06:36:58 <dih> transporter vanished :-P 06:38:32 <Eddi|zuHause> sad, was a great game 06:39:05 <dih> i sent them an email saying they were violating gpl :-P 06:39:20 <dih> and that they were including copyrighted grf files 06:39:23 <Eddi|zuHause> i was kinda expecting that :p 06:39:46 <dih> and they replied that they were 'unaware' of what the other guy did and removed it 06:40:06 <dih> sadly the subdomain still exists, but the download link is gone 06:40:17 <dih> and it's not linked from their webpage anymore 06:40:33 <petern> heh 06:41:07 <petern> if only they had included the source instead of the grfs... 06:42:14 <dih> and the gpl lisence 06:42:47 <dih> compiling with --revision=transporter0.0.1 just is not enough :-P 06:43:38 <petern> license 06:44:04 <petern> "OpenTTD transporter0.0.1" 06:47:27 <dih> transporter.exe --help still showed OpenTTD 06:53:41 <Rubidium> did the download really go? 06:54:20 <Rubidium> can still download the zip if you know where it is 06:59:04 <ln> what's this transporter anyway? 07:03:56 <planetmaker> svn co -r14xyz && ./configure --revision=Transporter0.0.1 && make 07:04:36 <planetmaker> ach ja, the check out of course from our well known source for source code :) 07:07:46 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 07:07:46 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:07:49 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 07:18:01 <dih> planetmaker: that will fail 07:18:17 <dih> svn co creates a directory 07:18:23 <dih> if you co trunk it will be trunk/ 07:18:28 <dih> you need to cd to it first 07:26:16 *** Yeggstry is now known as Yeggs-work 07:27:53 *** zach [~Zack@97-86-238-179.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has joined #openttd 07:29:02 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 07:30:12 *** Fuco [dota.keys@wireless-105.fi.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: Quit] 07:31:00 *** zach2 [~Zack@97-86-238-179.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:32:10 *** De_Ghosty [~s@76-10-139-72.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:41:19 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@wired-91.fi.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 07:41:56 *** De_Ghosty [~s@76-10-139-72.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 07:47:09 *** De_Ghost [~s@76-10-139-72.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 07:49:58 *** De_Ghosty [~s@76-10-139-72.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:53:27 <planetmaker> right, dih :) 07:54:27 *** Phazorx [~pavelkoll@77.239.239.147] has joined #openttd 07:54:35 <Phazorx> morning... 07:55:01 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 07:56:23 <Phazorx> have a silly question, trying to patch current trunk with oldtracks and it complains about scope of _opt.landscape, is it named something different now? (patch is ~250 revisions behind 07:57:12 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-36.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 08:09:35 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 08:09:35 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:09:38 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 08:11:56 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@129.187.69.65] has joined #openttd 08:11:59 *** mode/#openttd [+o Celestar] by ChanServ 08:13:53 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has joined #openttd 08:15:07 *** elmex [~elmex@e180068068.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 08:21:44 <dih> Phazorx: in that case a lot has happened 08:22:19 <dih> try bringing the patch up to date by doing only a few revs at a time 08:32:59 <petern> Yeah, the settings stuff has changed a lot. 08:33:51 <Rubidium> but way more than 250 revisions ago 08:34:48 <petern> Rubidium: did check -> checked 08:36:22 <Rubidium> huh? 08:39:06 <petern> r14450 08:46:08 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5F0CF.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 08:47:22 <Celestar> hey 08:48:10 *** taytay [~tcohen@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #openttd 08:51:54 <petern> Today is a fragrant day. 08:52:27 <FauxFaux> It's of negative pressure here. 08:56:58 *** Joni_- [~Joni-@88.193.160.55] has joined #openttd 08:56:58 *** Joni- [~Joni-@dsl-vsabrasgw1-ffa0c100-55.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:00:22 <planetmaker> there's no such thing as negative pressure :P 09:00:33 <planetmaker> if at all, it's tension ;) 09:01:23 <planetmaker> </nit-picking> 09:01:57 *** Phazorx [~pavelkoll@77.239.239.147] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:01:59 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-115-118.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #openttd 09:03:21 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5F0CF.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 09:08:46 *** De_Ghost [~s@76-10-139-72.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:13:56 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5F0CF.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 09:16:48 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e179049200.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 09:21:17 <FauxFaux> planetmaker: A relatively negative pressure? 09:21:22 <FauxFaux> Compared to other days. 09:21:43 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:21:57 <planetmaker> then it's 'relatively low' :) 09:23:01 <FauxFaux> You're going to be one of these people who claim that lightbulbs aren't darkness absorbers, aren't you. ¬_¬ 09:23:38 <Sacro> FauxFaux: they are 09:29:31 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1DCAF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:30:15 *** fjb_ is now known as fjb 09:30:43 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 09:36:42 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:36:42 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 09:36:50 *** thvdburgt [~thvdburgt@wlan-145-94-184-117.wlan.tudelft.nl] has joined #openttd 09:39:48 *** svippy [~svip@0x50a5b150.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 09:39:48 *** svippery [~svip@0x50a5b150.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:53:42 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-0-83-170.leed.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 09:58:36 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:02:27 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:05:24 <eQualizer|dada> I heard someone has made similar kind of thing in OpenTTD but with trains? 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10:48:34 <petern> Debian Lenny. 10:48:47 <Aali> oh, the latest Debian? 10:48:54 <petern> Well, testing. 10:49:01 <petern> Stable is still Etch. 10:49:39 <Aali> which is funny, because the testing branch of debian is still a year behind the rest of the world 10:49:44 <Aali> :P 10:50:03 <Brianetta> Debian COnservative 10:50:29 <petern> Why break a winning formula? 10:51:47 * FauxFaux hands Aali an urban legend. 10:52:04 <FauxFaux> It's not that far behind at this point in the release cycle. ¬_¬ 10:52:53 <Aali> I like poking fun at it nonetheless 10:52:59 <Rubidium> it's currently actually further behind than at other times in the release cycle 10:53:37 <Rubidium> if they weren't about to release lenny as stable OpenTTD 0.6.3 would've been in testing, now it isn't and won't be in lenny 10:53:43 <FauxFaux> I was talking about compared to the state of tesing ten seconds before it officially becomes etch in about a year. 10:53:56 *** Fuco [dota.keys@wireless-185.fi.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 10:55:32 <Rubidium> well, testing is now in a very deep freeze for about 3 months 10:55:54 <petern> And still full of bugs :D 10:56:13 <Phantasm> â <-- Unicode Snowman. ;p 10:57:11 <FauxFaux> Yeah, the rc count is still way above 200, aages 'till release. 11:03:05 *** thvdburgt [~thvdburgt@wlan-145-94-184-117.wlan.tudelft.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:08:37 <dih> FauxFaux: lenny will never become etch 11:17:51 <FauxFaux> Become.. the etch! 11:17:56 * FauxFaux goes for lunch. 11:19:16 <petern> ... 11:50:06 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:51:52 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@bib-theater33.hku.nl] has joined #openttd 11:52:18 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet651.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 12:03:40 *** Netsplit charon.oftc.net <-> galapagos.oftc.net quits: XeryusTC, Brianetta, snorre, bleepy, Zorn, planetmaker, Ammler, valhallasw, ln, Wolfensteijn 12:03:40 *** Netsplit over, joins: Phantasm, TheMask96, helb, petern 12:03:50 *** wolfy [~Wolfenste@dhcp-077-250-018-164.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 12:04:04 *** Netsplit over, joins: Zorn, bleepy, Brianetta 12:04:26 *** Netsplit over, joins: XeryusTC 12:04:54 *** Netsplit over, joins: planetmaker 12:05:32 *** Netsplit over, joins: Ammler 12:08:39 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 12:08:50 *** snorre [~snorre@cE9F045C1.dhcp.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 12:16:14 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 12:19:08 *** Zorni [zorn@e177226011.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 12:24:59 *** ben_ [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 12:25:23 *** ben_ is now known as Sacro 12:25:49 *** ln [~lanurm@castor.utu.fi] has joined #openttd 12:26:31 *** Zorn [zorn@e177225037.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:36:15 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:36:17 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:36:34 <glx> hello 12:37:01 <Brianetta> hello 12:38:01 <Sacro> argh prlog>< 12:44:05 *** Fuco [dota.keys@wireless-185.fi.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: Quit] 13:01:27 *** Phazorx [~pavelkoll@77.239.239.147] has joined #openttd 13:10:05 *** batti5 [~batti5@92.82.70.130] has joined #openttd 13:11:39 <Belugas> hello 13:13:09 <petern> Sir Belugas. 13:13:48 <petern> Hmm... 13:13:50 <petern> $ ./autopilot.tcl 13:13:50 <petern> Segmentation fault 13:13:51 <petern> :( 13:15:12 <planetmaker> I wonder... autopilot here? :) 13:15:27 <Belugas> Lord Nelson, I salute you :) 13:31:38 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 13:38:15 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@bib-theater33.hku.nl] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 13:39:12 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 13:40:53 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:45:54 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@147.251.215.232] has joined #openttd 13:49:53 *** sulai [~Miranda@pD9512C4A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 13:57:22 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 13:57:22 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:57:26 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 13:58:03 <TrueBrain> petern: you can segfault tcl? Sounds bad :p 13:58:20 <petern> Quite. 13:59:35 <Eddi|zuHause> wow... "have changed something"... that's a great commit message :p 14:00:04 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: try reading the VirtualBox SVN commit messages 14:00:07 <TrueBrain> you laugh your ass off :) 14:00:34 <TrueBrain> "PDM: More words." <- really .. :p 14:01:00 <Eddi|zuHause> +import java.net.URLConnection; <- that's the change... why can't he tell that in the commit message? 14:01:57 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: people can't make good commit messages .. they just can't :p 14:03:35 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 14:03:40 <Eddi|zuHause> you mean like "implement feature XY variable AB" :ÃŒ 14:03:42 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:03:44 <Eddi|zuHause> :p 14:03:52 <TrueBrain> yeah, that annoys me too :p 14:08:57 <Belugas> buwhahahaha!!!! 14:14:43 *** KillaloT [~killalot@87.56.204.130] has joined #openttd 14:16:07 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@82-171-89-81.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 14:17:57 <glx> why? "implement feature XY variable AB" clearly tells what is now supported :) 14:18:20 <glx> it's important for newgrf devs 14:21:27 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 14:22:34 <dih> 15:13 < petern> $ ./autopilot.tcl <- can i be of any help? 14:23:02 <dih> which autopilot are you using? 14:24:11 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r14451 /branches/noai/src/ (ai/api/ai_sign.cpp signs.cpp): [NoAI] -Codechange: allow sign text to be set by CMD_PLACE_SIGN, so AISign:BuildSign() can be simplified 14:27:22 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:27:41 <Eddi|zuHause> wtf? how can the line "return set([])" cause a "TypeError: an integer is required"?!? 14:32:43 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@82-171-89-81.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 14:35:27 *** Phazorx [~pavelkoll@77.239.239.147] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:37:01 <petern> dih, from your SVN. 14:38:48 <petern> #0 0x00000000 in ?? () 14:38:48 <petern> #1 0xb741cf14 in exp_create_commands () from /usr/lib/libexpect5.43.so.1 14:38:48 <petern> #2 0xb741d057 in exp_init_most_cmds () from /usr/lib/libexpect5.43.so.1 14:39:05 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.226] has quit [Quit: On snow, everyone can follow your traces] 14:39:13 <petern> $ tclsh 14:39:13 <petern> % package require Expect 14:39:13 <petern> Segmentation fault (core dumped) 14:39:15 <petern> Heh 14:39:41 <glx> so it's in libexpect 14:40:42 <Ammler> petern: you should use ap+: http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/Autopilot/ap+ 14:40:53 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r14452 /branches/noai/ (38 files in 4 dirs): [NoaAI] -Sync: with trunk r14434:14450 14:41:02 *** fmauNeko [~fmauNeko@thor.fmauneko.eu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:41:05 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-115-118.prem.tmns.net.au] has quit [Quit: I'll get you next episode, Inspector Gadget! NEXT EPISODE!] 14:41:47 <petern> It is. 14:42:04 *** mortal`` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 14:43:31 <petern> Hmm... 14:43:55 <petern> expect is built for tcl8.3, but tcl8.3 and tcl8.4 are installed. 14:44:13 <glx> use 8.3 14:44:41 <Ammler> should work with 8.5 too, afaik 14:46:18 *** sulai [~Miranda@pD9512C4A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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15:28:21 *** Zorni [zorn@e177226011.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:28:22 <yorick> PyInt_AsLong(PyObject_GetAttrString(python_entry, "action")) 15:28:33 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host86-156-59-75.range86-156.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 15:28:57 <yorick> or maybe PyInt_AS_LONG 15:29:17 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, quite irrelevant... 15:29:46 <Eddi|zuHause> speed optimisation is a non-issue 15:30:33 <yorick> why do you need it in one line? 15:30:41 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:30:51 *** sulai [~Miranda@pD9512C4A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:31:46 *** Zorn [zorn@g224105240.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 15:34:00 <Eddi|zuHause> because it's all part of a much bigger expression 15:34:04 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.226] has quit [Quit: On snow, everyone can follow your traces] 15:34:30 <Eddi|zuHause> never program sequential when you can program functional :p 15:37:38 <Eddi|zuHause> i should pay more attention to writing code i can actually analyse ;) 15:38:01 <yorick> what are you actually doing? 15:38:15 <Eddi|zuHause> i've had a line "x = (x,y)" in my code, and my points-to analysis totally barfs on that one 15:39:47 <Eddi|zuHause> when x and y are of type A in the expression, x is of type tuple(A), in the next iteration, x can have type A or tuple(A), so x can be of type tuple(tuple(A)) ... infinite recursion 15:39:48 <yorick> y, x = x, y :) 15:40:03 <Eddi|zuHause> that one is easy... 15:40:39 <Eddi|zuHause> it's a pessimistic analysis, so after that assignment, x can be both x and y 15:40:46 <yorick> am = new math.AtithmeticManager().addOperand(new math.Operand((float) a).addOperand(new math.Operand((float) b); am.operator = new math.operators.Addition(); am.executeMathOperation() 15:40:48 <yorick> system.io.output.print(am.mathOperationResult()) 15:40:54 <yorick> or just print a+b 15:40:59 <yorick> :) 15:41:07 <Eddi|zuHause> that is java at its best :p 15:41:29 <yorick> r* 15:41:39 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host86-156-59-75.range86-156.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 15:42:02 <yorick> classic OOP bloated example 15:43:40 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46ad5.virnxx14.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 15:43:43 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 15:44:04 <Sacro> B 15:44:05 <Sacro> J 15:44:06 <Sacro> A 15:44:07 <Sacro> R 15:44:07 <Sacro> N 15:44:11 <Sacro> I 15:44:13 <Sacro> BJARNI! 15:44:20 <yorick> S 15:44:21 <yorick> A 15:44:23 <yorick> C 15:44:24 <yorick> R 15:44:26 <yorick> O 15:44:28 <yorick> SACRO! 15:44:31 <Sacro> :D 15:44:32 <Sacro> Y 15:44:33 <Sacro> O 15:44:35 <Sacro> R 15:44:35 <Sacro> I 15:44:38 <Sacro> C 15:44:40 <Sacro> K 15:44:43 <Sacro> YORICK! 15:44:48 <yorick> B 15:44:50 <yorick> J 15:44:52 <yorick> A 15:44:53 <yorick> R 15:44:55 <yorick> N 15:44:57 <yorick> I 15:44:59 <yorick> BJARNI! 15:45:00 <Bjarni> you guys are wasting bandwidth 15:45:04 <glx> @kick Sacro 15:45:04 *** Sacro was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [glx] 15:45:10 <glx> @kick yorick 15:45:10 *** yorick was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [glx] 15:45:11 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 15:45:16 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 15:45:18 <Metalcore> @kick Metalcore 15:45:20 <Bjarni> you have a huge overhead since you only transmit a single byte in each package 15:45:22 <Metalcore> worth a try 15:45:33 <yorick> but...but...he started! 15:45:42 <petern> Sacro has a huge one 15:45:50 *** Metalcore was kicked from #openttd by Bjarni [Looks like you asked for it :P] 15:45:57 *** Metalcore [~evanseeds@r59h83.res.gatech.edu] has joined #openttd 15:45:58 <Metalcore> success 15:46:01 <Metalcore> albeit, a bit laggy 15:46:03 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1DCAF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:46:06 <Metalcore> you guys should work on that 15:46:15 <yorick> we need a faster bjarni 15:46:23 <Bjarni> err 15:46:38 <Bjarni> next you will try to overclock me, right? 15:47:08 * yorick gives bjarni some more power 15:47:19 * yorick gives bjarni a bigger cooler 15:48:05 <Bjarni> don't you think 700 V and liquid cooling is enough? 15:52:03 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:52:10 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 15:52:12 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 15:52:17 *** Nuke2 [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:53:50 <Eddi|zuHause> 700V? that's more than a tram takes :p 15:53:57 <Eddi|zuHause> our trams go on 600V i think 15:54:09 *** sulai [~Miranda@pD9512C4A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 15:56:03 <Bjarni> I actually took the number from my locomotive 15:56:16 *** Vikthor [~novotv6@pc404-18.feld.cvut.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:56:23 <Bjarni> but it goes without saying that it outranks trams anytime :D 15:58:06 * petern limits Bjarni to 1mA... see how much power you have now... 15:58:06 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fdb7b.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 15:58:42 <Bjarni> 1 mA*700V = 0,7W 15:58:43 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truebrain * r14453 /branches/noai/src/ai/api/ai_town.hpp.sq: [NoAI] -Fix: someone updated the Squirrel-files wrongly ;) 15:58:54 <Brianetta> Our Metro uses 1500V 15:59:26 <Bjarni> 1500V is an old standard from when railroads used 750V engines 16:00:06 <Bjarni> so to get the voltage as high as possible in the catenary they used a voltage that worked on two engines in series 16:00:33 <Bjarni> remember this is from before they wanted to add transformers on trains (too inefficient, big and heavy) 16:00:35 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 16:00:48 <Eddi|zuHause> what did they do when one engine broke? 16:00:52 <Bjarni> 1500 V is a pain today though 16:01:17 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause: disengaged the bogie and drove on the engines on the other one ::) 16:01:28 <Bjarni> -: 16:01:58 <Bjarni> 1500V is usually used for EMUs, meaning you can have several powered bogies 16:01:59 <Eddi|zuHause> so that effectively means one broken down engine makes two engines go offline 16:02:07 <Bjarni> so losing power on one isn't such a big issue 16:02:26 <Bjarni> yeah, one engine would take the other one with it 16:03:13 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truebrain * r14454 /branches/noai/ (9 files in 4 dirs): [NoAI] -Remove: dropped support for AITransactionMode; this will never work in a stable way with OpenTTD, so it is more safe to remove it all together. 16:05:33 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:15:25 *** zach2 [~Zack@97-86-238-179.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has joined #openttd 16:17:25 <Brianetta> Tyne & Wear Metro is EMU 16:18:14 <Bjarni> I can't find technical details on how powerful old 1500 V EMUs were 16:18:35 *** zach [~Zack@97-86-238-179.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:18:51 <Bjarni> but the point is that they were usually short distance EMUs and that they had powered and unpowered units 16:19:04 <Bjarni> the powered ones usually had two powered bogies 16:19:27 <Brianetta> Each articulated unit on the Metro has three bogies. The ones at the ends are powered, the one under the bendy is not. 16:19:47 <Bjarni> also if the train died, then they stopped and picked up the phone and called for a locomotive to pull them away 16:19:56 <Bjarni> in the beginning they usually got steam 16:20:00 <Brianetta> Metro run in pairs 16:20:21 <Brianetta> They *can* run up to four together, but most platforms on the system aren't long enough for more than two 16:20:48 <Brianetta> On Sundays they sometimes run singly to give a chance for maintenance 16:21:01 <Bjarni> usually it's the length of the platforms that limits the size of the trains 16:21:03 <Brianetta> Since the extension, they've been short of stock. No extra stock was bought. 16:21:24 <Eddi|zuHause> whose bright idea was that? :p 16:21:33 <Brianetta> They get end-of-lifed in 2020. 16:21:42 <Bjarni> I bet it was a political agreement 16:21:45 <Brianetta> Eddi: It was a condition for funding the extension. 16:22:05 <Brianetta> 1500V dc EMU stock has to be build specially. Not cheap. 16:22:13 <Brianetta> There was only about £5M to spend. 16:22:35 <Eddi|zuHause> 5M? how many meters of new track are that? 16:22:40 <Brianetta> About 200 16:22:49 <Brianetta> which was what was needed to connect to BR track 16:22:59 <Brianetta> That track was electrified, and new stations built 16:23:07 <Brianetta> Ohm, there was more new track at the other end 16:23:29 <Brianetta> If they'd spent twice as much they could have had comprehensive coverage of the region 16:23:30 <ln> Bjarni: Do you know of an svn client for Mac which uses normal UTF-8 for commit messages? 16:23:30 <Bjarni> what about catenary on the BR tracks? 16:23:36 <Brianetta> Bjarni: There was none 16:23:56 <Eddi|zuHause> ln: how about putting that in the config file? 16:24:01 <Brianetta> Virgin wanted to run a Pendy down there, then discovered that incompatible wires were going to be present 16:24:09 <Bjarni> the politicians wanted to extend the 1500 V railroad system in Copenhagen a few years ago 16:24:17 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-163-205.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 16:24:18 <ln> Eddi|zuHause: config file of what? 16:24:40 <Brianetta> The stretch of BR track the Metro rent costs them more than the maintenance of the rest of the network 16:24:44 <Bjarni> the problem was that they wanted to use tracks, that already had 25 kV catenary 16:24:45 <Eddi|zuHause> how should i know :p 16:25:24 <Brianetta> I hope that in 2020 they re-volt the whole thing 16:25:42 <Bjarni> ln: I use the svn client that comes with fink. Ever since they declared it stable (which was 4 years ago), it worked without any problems 16:25:44 <Brianetta> but I suspect the insulators aren't up to 25kV 16:26:12 <Bjarni> they can slowly start to replace to 25 kV catenary now 16:26:26 <Bjarni> you can always have 1500 V on 25 kV wires, but not the other way around 16:26:26 <Brianetta> very slowly 16:26:58 <Brianetta> They aren't subsidised. The Metro is self-financing and borderline profitable as long as nothing breaks. 16:28:49 <Bjarni> in that case I can imagine the trains will still be in operation in 2030 :P 16:33:02 <Brianetta> yeah )-: 16:33:19 <Eddi|zuHause> i can't imagine immediately rotating out the entire rolling stock 16:33:54 <Brianetta> They were bought all in one go. 16:34:27 <Brianetta> Hmm, I think I should go home. 16:34:38 <Brianetta> Yes, home. 16:34:39 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-0-83-170.leed.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 16:45:14 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 16:47:59 *** ludde [~ludde@ua-83-227-238-252.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 16:48:11 <ludde> hi 16:48:16 <yorick> ludde! 16:48:53 <ludde> sup 16:49:14 <Sacro|Laptop> hey ludde 16:50:19 <ludde> any [se, fi, no, gb, fr, it, es] users here? I got some invites to Spotify to share. A play-as-much-music-you-like music server I'm working on. 16:50:25 <ludde> server=service 16:50:28 <ln> it's the first time ludde was spotted joining the channel! 16:50:48 <ln> usually he does it secretly. 16:50:52 <ludde> i've been here a few times, but maybe not since the move to this network 16:50:58 <ludde> don't really remember 16:51:04 <Sacro|Laptop> ludde: gb as in uk? 16:51:05 <yorick> why only se, fi, no, gb, fr, it, es? 16:51:10 <ludde> Sacro|Laptop: yes 16:51:15 <Sacro|Laptop> ooh, me me me 16:51:19 <ludde> Sacro|Laptop: email please? 16:51:29 <Sacro|Laptop> ben@benwooward.me.uk 16:51:35 <ln> ludde: you have, but usually people only detect you after some hours of idle time. :) 16:51:44 <ludde> :) 16:51:51 <ludde> Sacro|Laptop: sent 16:52:04 <Sacro|Laptop> ludde: danke :) 16:52:04 <ludde> ln :) 16:52:17 *** sulai [~Miranda@pD9512C4A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:52:22 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 16:52:25 <ludde> sulai: you want Spotify too? 16:52:57 <dih> [18:51] <ludde> don't really remember <- i do 16:53:18 <yorick> I would like that, but it says "not available in your country" 16:53:20 <ludde> I saw the opengfx project, impressive 16:53:45 <ludde> yorick: yes. only those countries I mentioned. we don't have legal stuff done in the rest 16:53:57 <dih> did you see the 'impressively long' license discussion? 16:54:04 <ludde> dih: no 16:54:07 <ludde> dih: what about it? 16:54:14 <dih> it's impressively long 16:54:16 <ludde> dih: in the forum, somewhere? 16:54:32 <yorick> :-( 16:54:35 <dih> and the license had not been discussed before starting the project or accepting contributions 16:54:39 <Sacro|Laptop> ooh. show ludde the commit video 16:54:42 <Sacro|Laptop> tis awesome 16:54:47 <dih> yes, also in the graphics section 16:54:49 <ludde> Sacro|Laptop: what do you mean? 16:55:00 <dih> yes - that is awesome 16:55:05 <ludde> commit video? 16:55:16 <ludde> show me 16:55:20 <dih> sec 16:55:28 <Sacro|Laptop> ludde: http://www.tt-forums.net/openttd/openttd_visualised.avi 16:55:44 <Sacro|Laptop> perhaps if you have cvs history that can be added at the beginning 16:55:55 <dih> hihi 16:56:20 <Bjarni> hello ludde 16:56:24 <Bjarni> welcome back :) 16:56:26 <dih> Sacro|Laptop, still would be missing a chunk between cvs and svn 16:56:37 <dih> like 900 revs 16:56:46 <dih> or 800 'n something 16:56:56 <yorick> 925 16:56:58 <yorick> I believe 16:57:03 <Sacro|Laptop> i thought Bjarni had some files 16:57:04 <ludde> hm, was it already 4 years ago 16:57:22 <ludde> hi Bjarni 16:58:55 <Bjarni> <ludde> hm, was it already 4 years ago <-- yeah... it would appear so 16:58:58 <yorick> @openttd commit 1 16:58:58 <DorpsGek> yorick: Commit by truelight :: r1 / (202 files in 13 dirs) (2004-08-09 17:04:08 UTC) 16:58:59 <DorpsGek> yorick: Import of revision 975 of old (crashed) SVN 16:59:05 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 16:59:20 <ludde> Sacro|Laptop: did you install spotify? 16:59:33 <Sacro|Laptop> ludde: no e-mail yet 16:59:35 <Bjarni> that is some really weird music in that video :s 16:59:37 <Prof_Frink> Sacro|Laptop: my friend did one of those for 1 month of KDE trunk. 16:59:41 <ludde> Sacro|Laptop: really? hm 16:59:44 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 16:59:44 <Prof_Frink> Utter chaos. 16:59:52 <Sacro|Laptop> oh, i misspelt it 16:59:58 <Sacro|Laptop> ben@benwoodward.me.uk 17:00:02 <Sacro|Laptop> laptop keyboard is borked 17:00:10 <ludde> sent 17:00:21 <Bjarni> Sacro|Laptop: either that or the user is borked :P 17:00:28 <TrueBrain> oh no, it is a ludde! :) Hi ludde :) How are you doing? 17:00:41 <glx> I'd say both are borked ;) 17:00:49 <Sacro|Laptop> Bjarni: pfft 17:00:56 <TrueBrain> and Bjarni too 17:00:56 <ludde> i'm good thanks :) I'm sharing Spotify invites right now 17:01:03 <ludde> TrueBrain: what country are you from? 17:01:10 <yorick> nl 17:01:12 <Bjarni> nl 17:01:14 <ludde> aw. 17:01:21 <Prof_Frink> Spotted flies? 17:01:22 <Bjarni> like most OTTD developers 17:01:25 <TrueBrain> ludde: more correctly, you are spamming this channel :p But it is you, so we forgive you ;) 17:01:38 <Bjarni> <Sacro|Laptop> Bjarni: pfft <-- now the audio is borked too 17:01:48 <ludde> TrueBrain: sorry :) 17:02:07 <TrueBrain> :) 17:02:20 <TrueBrain> how is the service going? 17:02:26 <ludde> we released it the other day 17:02:43 <ludde> right now you still need an invite, unless you pay for a premium membership (with no ads) 17:03:03 <yorick> :'( 17:03:16 <TrueBrain> nice :) 17:03:26 <ludde> it's mostly known in sweden so far 17:03:29 <TrueBrain> so why are dutch people excluded? :p 17:03:32 <ln> do you have an unlimited number of invites? 17:03:37 <ludde> ln: more or less 17:03:47 <Sacro|Laptop> ludde: got it :) 17:04:57 <TrueBrain> orudge: remind me, ever got in touch with openttd.org domain owner? 17:05:09 <orudge> I did get in touch 17:05:11 <orudge> and then he disappeared 17:05:14 <orudge> and didn't reply to my e-mails 17:05:33 <ludde> my brother? :) 17:05:35 <Sacro|Laptop> ludde: iPod support? 17:05:38 <TrueBrain> ludde: do you have any clue? 17:05:39 <orudge> ludde: yes 17:05:40 <orudge> I got a reply 17:05:44 <orudge> he said he's add me on MSN 17:05:44 <orudge> he never did 17:05:54 <ludde> orudge: i can ask him 17:05:57 <orudge> that'd be good 17:06:04 <Sacro|Laptop> oooh 17:06:08 <Sacro|Laptop> FLEETWOOD MAC :D 17:06:17 <ludde> Sacro|Laptop: you like the app? 17:06:31 <Sacro|Laptop> ludde: it's playing me fleetwood mac 17:06:31 <orudge> ah, Jonty was on about this spotify thing. I think at one point somebody mentioned tha 17:06:33 *** mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:06:33 <Sacro|Laptop> love it <3 17:06:38 <orudge> that it was a ludde-created product 17:06:40 * orudge hasn't tried it though 17:06:48 <ludde> orudge: jonty? 17:06:49 <Sacro|Laptop> ludde: written in XUL? 17:06:52 <orudge> jonty-comp 17:06:52 <ludde> Sacro|Laptop: no 17:06:57 <orudge> he's on here usually I think 17:07:00 <orudge> hmm 17:07:01 <orudge> or maybe not 17:07:04 <orudge> he's in #tycoon anyway 17:07:04 <ludde> orudge: don't know who that is.. do you want an invite to Spotify? 17:07:09 <Sacro|Laptop> ludde: how to close the prefs? 17:07:16 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:07:16 <ludde> Sacro|Laptop: just click somewhere else in the side bar 17:07:18 <orudge> ludde: well, go on, then :) 17:07:19 <Sacro|Laptop> it feels like songbird 17:07:30 <ludde> orudge: orudge@orudge.co.uk ? 17:07:36 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 17:07:40 <orudge> ludde: owen@owenrudge.net 17:07:50 <ludde> almost :) 17:08:04 * TrueBrain writes all those address in his little black book 17:08:10 <ludde> orudge: sent 17:08:11 <orudge> thanks 17:08:14 <orudge> TrueBrain: well, you already have mine ;) 17:08:27 <Sacro|Laptop> ludde: if you click on the edit button, then onto the main screen, the edit button stays highlighted 17:08:31 <TrueBrain> haha 17:08:32 <TrueBrain> ssstttt :p 17:08:45 <Sacro|Laptop> same for file, playback, help 17:08:52 <Sacro|Laptop> hmm, how to scroll through albums 17:08:53 <ln> ludde: i guess i could try it too if you send an invite to lanurmi@iki.fi 17:09:19 <ludde> Sacro|Laptop: which edit button? 17:09:22 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 17:09:28 <Sacro|Laptop> File, Edit, Playback, Help 17:09:35 <ludde> ah, good catch 17:10:02 <Sacro|Laptop> it needs some way of flipping through albums 17:10:08 <Sacro|Laptop> like *coughs* coverflow 17:10:10 * Sacro|Laptop hides 17:10:14 <ludde> i like coverflow 17:10:20 <Sacro|Laptop> HELL YES 17:10:25 <TrueBrain> Sacro|Laptop: there is no place big enoguh for you to hide :p 17:10:29 <Sacro|Laptop> MASSIVE ATTACK - TEARDROP :D 17:10:31 <ludde> ln: sent 17:10:33 <ln> thanks 17:10:34 <TrueBrain> capslock 17:11:08 <Sacro|Laptop> NO< I@M HOLDING SHIFT DOWN 17:11:15 <ludde> Sacro|Laptop: why? 17:11:30 <Sacro|Laptop> ludde: cos this song is epic win 17:11:30 * TrueBrain counts his patient counter of the day .. 17:11:55 <ludde> Sacro|Laptop: send me a link to it (dragdrop or copy) 17:12:03 <Sacro|Laptop> spotify:track:67Hna13dNDkZvBpTXRIaOJ 17:12:12 <ludde> ah, that one 17:12:28 <Sacro|Laptop> such an awesome track 17:12:43 <ludde> the sound sounds a bit cracked in the beginning 17:12:46 <TrueBrain> ludde: why are such few countries allowed? 17:12:49 <Sacro|Laptop> 15740K 17:12:50 <Sacro|Laptop> impressive 17:12:54 <ludde> TrueBrain: we don't have licensing with the rest 17:12:56 <ludde> Sacro|Laptop: what is that? 17:13:00 <ludde> an artist? 17:13:12 <Sacro|Laptop> ludde: no, the memory usage :p 17:13:17 <Sacro|Laptop> was seeing how light it is 17:13:22 <Sacro|Laptop> songbird is quite bulky 17:13:23 <ludde> of course, I made it ;) 17:13:24 <Sacro|Laptop> being in XUL 17:13:33 <TrueBrain> lol @ ludde :) 17:13:35 <ludde> I only make fast apps 17:13:37 <orudge> don't suppose Spotify is going to be integrated with Last.fm? ;) I guess in a way they perhaps compete. 17:13:44 * orudge likes having all his media players scrobble tracks 17:14:22 <TrueBrain> ludde: but when you pay, you can access it? 17:14:27 <ludde> TrueBrain: no. 17:14:37 <Sacro|Laptop> orudge: heh, i'm in a channel with the last.fm devs 17:14:40 <ludde> TrueBrain: you can't pay if you're not in one of those countries, iirc. 17:14:47 <ludde> Sacro|Laptop: where is that? 17:14:47 <Sacro|Laptop> they went to Hull Uni 17:14:52 <TrueBrain> ludde: ah ;) The site is slightly unclear in that .. 17:15:02 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:15:03 <ludde> Sacro|Laptop: i could go there and share them some invites ;) 17:15:09 <Sacro|Laptop> ludde: #freeside on irc.freeside.net 17:15:27 <Sacro|Laptop> irc.freeside.co.uk even 17:15:33 <dih> ludde: try to get permission for germany will you? 17:16:21 <ludde> hm. 17:16:24 <SpComb> http://zi.fi/c++/proj/moo2.html <-- the OpenTTD project should try and find itself free slave labour as well 17:16:29 <ludde> dih: it's coming 17:16:35 <Sacro|Laptop> ludde: GPL? ;P 17:16:41 <ludde> Sacro|Laptop: the client? no 17:16:54 <Sacro|Laptop> hehe, aww 17:17:35 <TrueBrain> SpComb: very easy, but if it produces good quality code ..... 17:17:48 <Sacro|Laptop> ...pay? D: 17:18:23 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 17:18:26 <TrueBrain> right, back to NoAI .. 17:18:33 <SpComb> TrueBrain: yeah, you might end up with some highly variable levels of quality 17:19:22 <orudge> it'd be interesting to see what would happen if OpenTTD was a Google Summer of Code project 17:19:26 <orudge> and what sort of project ideas people might come up with 17:19:36 <TrueBrain> SpComb: I think it would more end up with VERY LOW level of quality :p 17:19:40 <Metalcore> we'd end up with Transport Empire 17:19:41 <orudge> generally, it seems (at least with Wine) that a couple of the SoC developers will end up staying on and contributing well 17:19:45 <orudge> whereas the others... might not 17:19:47 <TrueBrain> orudge: we once considered applying, I remember .. 17:20:10 <Metalcore> there's still a copyright issue, isn't there? 17:20:14 <orudge> well 17:20:16 <TrueBrain> last 2 times we were too late :p Hehe :) 17:20:17 <orudge> arguably, yes 17:20:24 <Metalcore> especially with the graphics/sound 17:20:32 <orudge> but then, other projects, such as ScummVM, have requirements for 3rd party content 17:20:34 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:20:38 <orudge> and they're still in SoC 17:20:41 <SpComb> TrueBrain: well, there are some very good C++ coders doing said course, but yeah, there's probably a hundred not-so-good-C++ coders 17:20:56 <TrueBrain> the copyright of the graphics/sound is _very_ clear, and not an issue 17:21:00 <TrueBrain> (you have to buy the game yourself) 17:21:08 <orudge> besides 17:21:18 <orudge> with the 00 Google gives you, you're a bit stingy if you can't spare for a copy of the game :p 17:21:20 <glx> the "problem" is the origin 17:21:26 <Prof_Frink> For the low, low price of £34.07! 17:21:26 <TrueBrain> SpComb: I see it in classes I take .. 2 people make code which is readable, the other 18 make code that is horrible 17:21:40 <SpComb> the exercise groups are also chosen randomly 17:21:51 * orudge needs to come up with some of publishing arrangement with Mr Sawyer to sell TT(D) at buy.transporttycoon.net 17:21:54 <orudge> although 17:22:00 <orudge> I think krtaylor did actually enquire about something of that sort a few years ago 17:22:05 <orudge> funnily enough, Atari weren't interested 17:22:07 <SpComb> well, you pick three options, and people are put into groups based on how many points they got on the exercise things during the first half of the course 17:22:09 <TrueBrain> orudge: for that you need to go to Atari :) 17:22:09 <SpComb> so it's not entirely random 17:22:10 <orudge> they weren't even interested enough to see if they owned TT 17:22:30 <SpComb> "Mostly did it with one other guy, the other one tried to participate but didn\'t quite succeed, everything he did had to be redone... And he\'s the one who codes for work..." <-- but yeah... example feedback from the 2006 course 17:22:51 <TrueBrain> SpComb: I am already happy some dutch University is going to use NoAI for their class in AI :) 17:22:54 *** taytay [~tcohen@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:23:00 <orudge> orly? 17:23:01 <orudge> interesting 17:23:02 * SpComb is going to be doing it with a couple of his friends 17:23:09 <SpComb> need to come up with some good project idea 17:23:09 <orudge> maybe I should suggest it to my professor who's doing the AI course :p 17:23:31 <SpComb> what does this "NoAI" consist of in this context, exactly? 17:23:36 <SpComb> the nail scripting language? 17:23:41 <TrueBrain> orudge: please do ;) 17:23:55 <TrueBrain> SpComb: an AI framework for OpenTTD, if that is what you are asking 17:24:12 <TrueBrain> in a C++ like language (Based on lua) 17:24:13 <SpComb> so they're using OpenTTD in their AI course? 17:24:18 <TrueBrain> NAIL will replace the current Squirrel yes 17:24:41 <TrueBrain> (if I can fix the final problems ... 80% done, but the final parts always take the longest :() 17:24:58 <SpComb> :( ) 17:25:07 <TrueBrain> well, yes 17:25:24 <TrueBrain> how to write an AI for OpenTTD without OpenTTD :p 17:25:40 <blathijs> TrueBrain: Which uni? 17:25:47 <TrueBrain> blathijs: euh .. let me look up the post 17:25:53 <TrueBrain> it wasn't 100% sure or what ever, but okay 17:27:23 <TrueBrain> blathijs: URL in PM (dutch, so I didn't want to post it here) 17:27:31 <TrueBrain> doesn't mention with university .. oh well :p 17:27:54 <TrueBrain> that people at least consider it, is enoguh for me to claim that NoAI is a success :) 17:28:30 *** Volley [~worf@84-119-54-39.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 17:30:21 *** Aylomen [~a@DSL01.83.171.186.43.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has joined #openttd 17:33:01 *** mortal` is now known as mortal 17:36:55 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 17:39:17 *** Yeggs-work is now known as Yeggstry 17:39:53 *** LordAzamath [~hailong@82.131.17.255.cable.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 17:39:54 <ln> it's playing music 17:40:01 <ludde> ln: great 17:41:15 <yorick> LordAzamath! 17:41:36 <LordAzamath> yorick! 17:41:58 *** LordAzamath is now known as LA 17:42:23 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.231.53] has joined #openttd 17:42:54 <ln> ludde: might i say it's maybe pointless to list possible birth years up to 2008 on the registration page, unless you are aiming at baby audience. :) 17:45:46 <TrueBrain> #1 0x0000000001d7f6b8 in ?? () 17:45:46 <TrueBrain> #2 0x0000000000442078 in AIAccounting (this=0x44acd9) 17:45:51 <TrueBrain> somehow you never want to see such frame .. 17:46:27 <blathijs> at least it seems the rest of your stack is still intact? 17:46:38 <blathijs> I get them occasionally with ?? in the entire stack :-) 17:46:49 <TrueBrain> yeah, it just made an invalid dereference 17:47:17 <TrueBrain> then you fucked something up really good :) 17:47:28 <TrueBrain> in this case it is just a 'this->DoSomething();', where 'this' is not really valid :p 17:47:31 <blathijs> overflow writing into the stack I think 17:47:39 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... some random new guy joins an suddenly the whole channel goes crazy... might as well be a Tokio Hotel concert :p 17:47:50 <blathijs> TrueBrain: That shouldn't break the stack like that, yeah? 17:48:04 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: you buy the tickets? 17:48:13 <blathijs> TrueBrain: s/yeah/right/ 17:48:14 <TrueBrain> blathijs: it should ;) 17:48:23 <Eddi|zuHause> TrueBrain: i doubt that :p 17:48:35 <TrueBrain> it starts executing at some random place .. what you expect :p 17:48:39 <blathijs> TrueBrain: I would say it should show DoSomething (this=0x0) then or something 17:48:41 <yorick> Eddi: s/new/old/ 17:48:57 <blathijs> TrueBrain: Though if DoSomething is a virtual method, then it won't come that far I guess :-) 17:48:58 <TrueBrain> blathijs: this=0x44acd9 ;) 17:49:37 <TrueBrain> but okay, the exact code is not that, as then you are right 17:49:42 <TrueBrain> it is : this->instance->DoSomething() 17:49:45 <Eddi|zuHause> <ln> ludde: might i say it's maybe pointless to list possible birth years up to 2008 on the registration page, unless you are aiming at baby audience. :) <- better than the Error'd version which only features years since 2000 :p 17:50:52 <blathijs> TrueBrain: Ah, right :-) 17:51:23 <blathijs> TrueBrain: Though you might expect to get a segfault in AIAccounting then, not some random anonymous frame below that 17:51:33 <blathijs> but that's probably some C++ complexity :-) 17:51:34 <TrueBrain> blathijs: and I am pointer-fucking at an annoying level, so I should have expected errors like that :) 17:51:39 <blathijs> hehe 17:51:46 <TrueBrain> blathijs: that only happens when this is 0x0 ;) 17:52:07 <TrueBrain> as this is outside the first memory block, the normal segfault handling for 0x0 dereference doesn't catch it .. and the pointer is in fact very valid 17:52:19 <TrueBrain> just pointing to some random address within a valid class 17:56:23 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:56:23 <blathijs> ah, right 17:57:16 <blathijs> so it can in fact find a valid (ie, readable) memory in the vtable to execute, but that's probably halfway some other method, or somewhere at a random memory location 17:57:21 <TrueBrain> as I said, I am doing very weird and dangarous stuff :p 17:58:08 *** LA [~hailong@82.131.17.255.cable.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.3/2008092417]] 17:58:23 <TrueBrain> exactly :) 17:58:29 <TrueBrain> and then it jumps to some random location 17:58:34 <TrueBrain> after which the garbage starts :) 18:04:17 <TrueBrain> victory!! 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Denmark phaseshift trains on a regular basis 19:01:59 <Phazorx> Bjarni: that is at least weirds i must say 19:02:06 <TrueBrain> Phazorx: but TB doesn't make it nice red :p 19:02:14 <Phazorx> but in case of major disaster only half of country goes out 19:02:15 <Bjarni> <Phazorx> but imho - as long as you know who am i addressing that's gotta be good enough :) <-- it fails to highlight though 19:02:43 <Bjarni> <Phazorx> but in case of major disaster only half of country goes out <-- we tried that.... too bad it was my half that lost power >_< 19:02:49 <Phazorx> Bjarni: highlighting is a mean to get attention if it is possible to get such by other means they are just as good :) 19:03:15 <Phazorx> Bjarni: on a bright side you got to see a sky full of stars :) 19:03:29 <Bjarni> no 19:03:34 <Phazorx> daytime? 19:03:47 <Bjarni> power was lost at 12:4x and restored like 4 hours later 19:04:10 <Phazorx> poor little europe can'teven have a major blackout nowadays 19:04:19 <Bjarni> naturally the failure turned out to be a mechanical failure in Sweden 19:04:43 <Bjarni> short circuiting power output from two nuclear powerplants at the same time 19:04:47 <Phazorx> in US eastern coast was out 16-20 hours in 2002 due to casscade powergrid failure 19:05:03 <Phazorx> arent these things are meant to never happen? 19:05:08 <Bjarni> it is 19:05:28 <Phazorx> or one failure overloads another station 19:05:35 <Phazorx> like it was in US 19:05:40 <Bjarni> the problem was that first one transformer failed and the Danish power grid tried to compensate, but so did the Swedish 19:06:01 <TrueBrain> Phazorx: and who is going to test such systems? :p 19:06:03 <Bjarni> The Swedish recovered and the emergency powerup disengaged 19:06:13 <Bjarni> and before it was ready to activate again the other transformer failed 19:06:25 <Bjarni> it all happened within 1-2 sec 19:06:27 <Phazorx> TrueBrain: sure... pixiedust and crossed fingers are far much more reliable than tests 19:06:48 <Phazorx> Bjarni: few lightbulbs might have not survived.. 19:07:16 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:07:22 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 19:08:11 <Bjarni> I can remember I was scheduled to some computer work (should learn how to use a new program) from 13-17 19:08:33 <Bjarni> we kind of decided to just go home when the radio started talking about hours before power was restored 19:09:17 <Phazorx> was g actualy go, or traffic lights were working? 19:09:56 <Bjarni> everything was dead 19:10:04 <Bjarni> or on battery power 19:10:56 <Bjarni> must have sucked to have used the train at that time 19:11:04 <Bjarni> and the power to the catenary just died 19:11:24 <Bjarni> specially if you were in the tunnel under Copenhagen... it got pretty dark :P 19:11:55 <Belugas> of course, lights in tunnels are not yet implemented 19:11:56 <Phazorx> nice afternoon adventure :) 19:12:13 <Belugas> hem.. i meant signals... 19:12:28 * Belugas goes back to hell@work 19:12:40 <TrueBrain> Bjarni: ever heard of emergency lights? Work pretty long .. 19:12:42 *** DJNekkid [~chatzilla@static128-249.adsl.no] has joined #openttd 19:12:48 <TrueBrain> Belugas: good luck 19:12:53 <Bjarni> yeah 19:12:57 <Bjarni> but they are kind of dim 19:13:32 <Phazorx> annoying orange flash in many km tunnel of walking must be something you hope to see when power goes out :) 19:13:57 <Bjarni> they didn't install any orange light in that tunnel 19:14:05 <TrueBrain> bah, the vsync of my screen is wrong ... 19:14:11 <Bjarni> hehe 19:15:11 *** Volley [~worf@84-119-54-39.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:16:39 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 19:20:37 <yorick> heeh 19:20:52 <yorick> got cindini down to 4.10 MB :) 19:21:00 <yorick> compressed with OTTL 19:21:12 <Bjarni> you cared about data size? 19:21:27 <yorick> if I need to download it in multiplayer, I care, yes 19:21:44 <Bjarni> I mean it's not like it matters if it's 4,1 or 4,2 on modern hardware 19:21:54 <yorick> no, 4.1 or 5.2 19:22:04 <Bjarni> what is cindini anyway? :) 19:22:12 <yorick> it's the nice map project 19:22:21 * TrueBrain looks at his 100 mbit/sec connection and thinks: I don't see the problem 19:22:22 <Bjarni> ohh 19:22:32 <yorick> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=39819 19:22:40 <Bjarni> yorick is on a 56k modem 19:22:43 <yorick> TB: the problem is the server upload 19:22:46 <Bjarni> at least he acts like he is 19:22:52 * TrueBrain looks at his 100 mbit/sec connection and thinks: I don't see the problem 19:22:54 <yorick> hehe, the server thinks it is 19:23:11 <TrueBrain> any server not on at least a 10 mbit/sec, is not worth calling a server :) 19:23:29 <TrueBrain> and I don't care if joining takes 4 or 5 seconds 19:23:48 <yorick> you'd be surprised 19:23:55 <yorick> tt-forums has attachement limit 19:24:15 <TrueBrain> I doubt I will be 19:24:17 <Bjarni> I know 19:24:25 <yorick> I think it is 5 mb 19:24:26 <Bjarni> it was 4 mb the last time I checked 19:24:27 <TrueBrain> now we start talking abou tt-forums 19:24:28 <TrueBrain> weird 19:24:37 <yorick> yes, I am all weird 19:24:42 <Bjarni> but I fail to see the connection 19:24:54 <Bjarni> your server will not suffer from the forum limitation 19:25:01 <TrueBrain> I also wonder what good it does for you to be able to compress something really small 19:25:05 <TrueBrain> OpenTTD still uses its own compression 19:25:20 <yorick> I cannot put 5.2mb maps on the forums, but 4.1 should be possible 19:25:26 <yorick> *cough* 19:25:39 <yorick> "loading LZMA save" 19:26:43 <Phazorx> hmm... still got a silly question.. trying to revive oldtracks... from -250 revisions patch... and it complains about _opt.landscape being out of scope... while trying to determine map/save settings... was that majorly changed since 0.6 ? 19:26:58 <yorick> the name 19:27:36 <petern> Phazorx, you were answered this morning. 19:27:36 <TrueBrain> wasn't _opt merged with _settings or so? 19:28:01 <Phazorx> petern: hmm... sorry perhaps i went dsync 19:28:33 <yorick> no, that's openttd 19:28:57 <Phazorx> i missed the answer besides what dih said.... 19:29:33 <Phazorx> hi petern btw, i assume you are the peter :) 19:31:42 <Phazorx> . 19:32:45 *** Zorn [zorn@g224105240.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:34:17 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fdb7b.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:35:10 *** Metalcore is now known as MetalNap 19:36:22 *** Zorn [zorn@f054000009.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 19:38:40 <Phazorx> TrueBrain: so is _opt.landscape now _settings.landscape ? 19:40:07 <Ammler> :-) 19:40:13 <petern> check the change log 19:40:14 <Ammler> yes he is THE peter 19:40:31 <Phazorx> peter from when? 19:40:39 <Prof_Frink> 1138 19:40:40 <Phazorx> Ammler: i can ee that now :) 20:03:26 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5F0CF.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 20:07:38 *** Joni_- is now known as Joni- 20:10:05 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Poef!] 20:10:39 <TrueBrain> boring in here 20:10:58 <Belugas> come in here, fun is garanteed! 20:11:39 * TrueBrain books a flight 20:12:28 <Eddi|zuHause> <Phazorx> somethign is always rotten in kingdom of danemark as one old man used to say... <- that's weird, we use the exact same phrase... "Es it etwas faul im Staate DÀnemark." 20:13:05 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-181-97.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:13:52 <Belugas> ho... good... you have found my apple... i was looking at it for a month now! 20:14:42 * TrueBrain thinks Belugas lost it 20:15:25 <Phazorx> Eddi|zuHause: ever read Shakespeare? 20:15:44 <Belugas> hi haha@!! WWEEEEEEE!!!! Blublublublub!! 20:15:57 <Eddi|zuHause> Phazorx: never heard of that one... :p 20:16:14 * TrueBrain feeds Belugas some sanity 20:17:13 <Phazorx> Eddi|zuHause: that's a bit of common general knowledge for ya 20:17:32 <Phazorx> considering i am russian you SHOUKD know that :) 20:18:00 <Eddi|zuHause> no... we have Goethe, we don't need no stinkin shakespeare 20:19:15 <Eddi|zuHause> "Das Land der Dichter und Denker" 20:19:43 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause: why do you say such things about Denmark :S 20:21:51 <Phazorx> last time i checked Goethe was german... 20:22:14 <Eddi|zuHause> Bjarni is just out of phase :p 20:22:24 <TrueBrain> as always 20:23:38 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.169.63] has joined #openttd 20:24:32 <Bjarni> thank you :P 20:24:44 <Bjarni> would you mind answering my question? :) 20:25:17 <Eddi|zuHause> random fact of the day: in all the localized versions of Monopoly, the streets are named after an important town, such as London or New York, except in the german version, where the street names are totally generic 20:25:38 <TrueBrain> germans sucks 20:25:41 <Bjarni> heh 20:25:48 <Phazorx> anyway.... 20:26:01 <Bjarni> The Danish version has names of roads in Copenhagen (go figure) 20:26:21 <Bjarni> we lack the railroads though so it has 4 ferry lines instead 20:26:27 <HerzogDeXtEr> german is a great language 20:26:29 <Phazorx> petern, or anyone else what wexactly did i miss relevant to my _opt.landscape question before that i should know while truing to fix oldtracks patch? 20:26:47 <Prof_Frink> The Bournemouth and Poole version has the names of areas in bournemouth and poole. 20:27:06 <Eddi|zuHause> well, the reason for that is that when Monopoly was originally translated to german, it DID use street names of Berlin 20:27:11 <TrueBrain> Phazorx: just scan the current code, and find your answer :) 20:27:15 <TrueBrain> you are clever enough for that ;) 20:27:31 <Phazorx> time is something i dont have 20:27:33 <Eddi|zuHause> but that was in the 1930's so the roads were called "Goebbels Road" and stuff 20:27:43 <Bjarni> :D 20:27:53 <Phazorx> one of reasons to ask questions is to save time in case if others already did necessary research 20:27:59 <Phazorx> which is exactly the case here 20:28:04 <Eddi|zuHause> so that got kinda unpopular after the war :p 20:28:13 <TrueBrain> Phazorx: grep landscape src/* 20:28:15 <TrueBrain> most likely shows you :) 20:28:17 <HerzogDeXtEr> hey, when will the bug fixed, what is elemiating all industries on big maps? thats pretty anoying 20:28:17 <TrueBrain> I myself have no idea 20:28:21 <Bjarni> what about the railroads? 20:28:46 <glx> Phazorx: check settings.cpp, they are all there 20:29:05 <glx> you can also take a look in a recent openttd.cfg 20:29:20 <Phazorx> define recent? 20:29:34 <glx> since the change 20:29:35 <Bjarni> head revision ;) 20:29:36 <Eddi|zuHause> like i said, everything was replaced by generic names, so the railways are called "north station", "main station" etc. 20:29:44 <Phazorx> i'm into early 14XXX now followin dih's suggestion 20:30:24 <Eddi|zuHause> the roads are called "Goethe-, Schiller- and LessingstraÃe", which are a pretty safe bet in practically any german city 20:30:26 * Bjarni notes not to play monopoly in German 20:31:58 *** KillaloT [~killalot@87.56.204.130] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The professional IRC Client] 20:35:58 <Eddi|zuHause> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopoly#Badstra.C3.9Fe_bis_Schlossallee <- this is the german layout 20:36:47 *** sulai4511 [~Miranda@pD951012C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:36:56 <Eddi|zuHause> although the version i have is not in ⬠20:37:18 *** DJNekkid_ [~chatzilla@static128-249.adsl.no] has joined #openttd 20:40:08 <HerzogDeXtEr> have you ever seen a street with the name "seestraÃe" ? 20:40:56 <Eddi|zuHause> google says there is one in berlin 20:41:04 <HerzogDeXtEr> hmm 20:41:40 <HerzogDeXtEr> there is also a street named "Unter der BrÃŒcke" (in english: under the bridge) :D 20:41:55 <HerzogDeXtEr> this would be a good street for monopoly 20:42:22 *** sulai [~Miranda@pD9512C4A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:42:37 *** tokar [~tokar@othala.n7mm.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:43:28 *** DJNekkid [~chatzilla@static128-249.adsl.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:43:30 *** DJNekkid_ is now known as DJNekkid 20:43:34 <Phazorx> crashed :( 20:43:37 *** Joni- [~Joni-@88.193.160.55] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:44:38 <Phazorx> on intro screen pbs.cpp:83 20:45:34 <Phazorx> assert((GetTileTrackStatus(tile, TRANSPORT_RAIL, 0) & TrackToTrackBits(t)) != 0) 20:45:42 <Phazorx> 14412 20:46:10 *** Joni- [~Joni-@88.193.160.55] has joined #openttd 20:46:25 <Phazorx> can .cfg make a difference in that aspect? 20:46:37 <Phazorx> since i use very old one 20:46:41 * Belugas goes home -ciao ciao 20:46:42 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:46:54 *** Joni- [~Joni-@88.193.160.55] has quit [] 20:47:03 <TrueBrain> night Belugas 20:49:18 *** Joni- [~Joni-@dsl-vsabrasgw1-ffa0c100-55.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 20:52:07 *** tokar [~tokar@othala.n7mm.org] has joined #openttd 20:52:35 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 20:56:14 *** jordi [~jordi@115.Red-213-96-69.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:56:41 <TrueBrain> hmm .. I want a nice action movie, but I can't find any :( 20:57:49 *** Phazorx [~pavelkoll@77.239.239.147] has left #openttd [] 21:02:31 *** Volley [~worf@84-119-54-39.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 21:09:31 *** mode/#openttd [+v Belugas] by ChanServ 21:09:34 *** mode/#openttd [+v Bjarni] by ChanServ 21:09:44 <ln> Bjarni: what's the Obj-C way of opening a file? 21:13:15 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 21:13:15 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:13:18 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 21:14:52 *** Aylomen [~a@DSL01.83.171.186.43.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:24:18 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-163-205.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 21:24:35 *** Dr_Jekyll [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0C903.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:26:13 <TrueBrain> hmm .. if one would like to write an application these days with a clear GUI .. how would one do that? 21:27:28 <Eddi|zuHause> don't... 21:27:48 <Eddi|zuHause> i'd stay away from GUIs as far as possible 21:28:03 <TrueBrain> tnx for not helping Eddi|zuHause 21:28:09 <TrueBrain> what a helpful bunch you guys became .. 21:28:26 <Eddi|zuHause> you're welcome 21:28:41 <TrueBrain> if that was an option, I would not have asked what I asked .. so still not helping 21:29:11 <TrueBrain> and remind me to make an OpenTTD version without GUI :p 21:30:58 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: mikl] 21:31:00 <TrueBrain> I expected more from you Eddi|zuHause :( 21:31:17 <Eddi|zuHause> no really, i'm the worst guy to ask with a GUI 21:31:40 <TrueBrain> then just say you don't know ;) 21:31:50 <TrueBrain> clearly I have little to no knowledge about it too, still .. I need to know :) 21:34:18 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-75-74-51-51.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:36:00 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 21:36:00 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:36:03 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 21:38:32 <glx> TrueBrain: I'd use wxwidgets 21:38:41 <Volley> TrueBrain: uh... define clear GUI 21:38:46 <TrueBrain> glx: any good? 21:39:03 <TrueBrain> lately I read a lot about XUL, and I wonder if that isn't a bit .. too heavy :p 21:39:21 <glx> it's a c++ cross-platform GUI framework 21:39:58 <glx> can be used from python too 21:40:02 <TrueBrain> Volley: well, it should allow neat stuff, not the win3.11 style :p 21:40:09 <TrueBrain> glx: tnx, will look at it :) 21:40:28 <glx> uses native look of the system 21:40:49 <Volley> i still don't really know what you look for :) 21:41:16 <TrueBrain> still it works well cross platform? I mean, the sizes of things stay the same? :p 21:41:57 <glx> sizes may be different but proportions and relative positions are kept 21:42:11 <TrueBrain> Volley: Qt, wxwidgets, XUL, ... 21:42:30 <glx> but usually sizes are the same 21:42:43 <glx> as you set them in the code :) 21:43:10 <ln> but you really need to use sizers. 21:43:19 <TrueBrain> hehe, cool :) 21:43:32 <glx> ln: of course, sizers are the best things 21:44:16 <glx> and XRC is a nice thing too (but I still need a good free XRC editor) 21:48:59 *** ludde [~ludde@ua-83-227-238-252.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:50:17 <Volley> well, i didn't do much coding recently, but after painful experiences with java i would propably try wxwidgets for crossplatform apps ... and eventually have a look at qt/kde coding somewhen ... 21:54:18 *** MOG [~MapperOG@p57B2D3F2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:55:36 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.3/2008092417]] 21:58:15 <TrueBrain> how nice .. songbird can, via gstreamer, work over esd .. but nowhere they tell me how :( 21:59:25 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has quit [Quit: http://www.interplay.com/] 21:59:25 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:59:50 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 22:01:53 <ln> 20:10 < Sacro|Laptop> MASSIVE ATTACK - TEARDROP :D <--- yeah, sounds very familiar 22:02:46 <TrueBrain> glx: wxwidgets mixes the layout with the code, right? 22:04:53 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.231.53] has quit [Quit: ecke] 22:05:26 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.231.53] has joined #openttd 22:05:31 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.231.53] has quit [] 22:06:26 <Sacro> ln: so it should 22:07:03 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.231.53] has joined #openttd 22:07:34 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.231.53] has quit [] 22:13:25 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.231.53] has joined #openttd 22:15:50 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.231.53] has quit [] 22:18:32 *** MDGrein [~MDGrein@81-232-166-78-no30.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 22:22:17 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:22:21 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-163-205.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 22:22:40 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 22:24:28 <fjb> With cargodest, if an industry temporarly doesn't accept a cargo and a train arrives at the associated station it still drops the cargo there? I see the paiment in yellow color and the cargo vanishes. It doen't get listed at the station. Where does the cargo go? Is it lost? 22:27:47 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.178.92] has joined #openttd 22:31:28 *** DJNekkid [~chatzilla@static128-249.adsl.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:34:08 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.169.63] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:34:19 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46ad5.virnxx14.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:36:22 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-163-205.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:42:49 *** Chrill [~chrischri@c80-216-96-107.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 22:44:16 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 22:44:48 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:47:07 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:47:31 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 22:51:38 *** MetalNap is now known as Metalcore 22:54:47 *** mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:01:58 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 23:01:59 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:02:01 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 23:11:14 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: [FATAL] Client error: Memory leak - More RAM needed. More! More! More!] 23:13:27 *** sulai [~Miranda@pD951012C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 23:16:40 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-75-74-51-51.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has left #openttd [] 23:19:53 *** sulai4511 [~Miranda@pD951012C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:20:13 *** Chrill [~chrischri@c80-216-96-107.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [] 23:21:41 *** elmex [~elmex@e180068068.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:22:48 <glx> <TrueBrain> glx: wxwidgets mixes the layout with the code, right? <-- mainly in ctor 23:24:37 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 23:24:49 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:24:49 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 23:33:09 *** Volley [~worf@84-119-54-39.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:34:23 *** MDGrein [~MDGrein@81-232-166-78-no30.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [] 23:44:08 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:49:14 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc1-rdng14-0-0-cust946.winn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:49:15 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:49:15 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 23:51:44 *** laz0r [~lazor@affenbande.org] has joined #openttd 23:52:06 <laz0r> hi, can i somehow edit a openttd savegame with the scenario editor? 23:52:20 <laz0r> or convert a savegame to a scneario? 23:53:10 <XeryusTC> rename it to .scn 23:53:30 <FauxFaux> Snikcer. 23:54:35 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-75-75-0-69.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:55:29 <laz0r> uh, thats easy enough, thanks guys