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07:00:59 <welshdragon> *code 07:06:14 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has joined #openttd 07:13:09 <Tefad> -- .. --. .... - .... . .-.. .--. .. ..-. -.-- --- ..- ..- ... . ... .--. .- -.-. .. -. --. 07:14:04 <petern> an ode to inspector morse 07:14:05 <welshdragon> ..---..---..---..-..---...---... 07:14:19 <welshdragon> we;re talking morse :D 07:14:23 <petern> no you're not 07:14:26 <petern> that's just junk 07:14:28 <Tefad> i cannot decyper BS without spaces 07:14:48 <welshdragon> petern, you;re just junk 07:15:03 <Tefad> morse code without spaces is like binary without padding 07:15:03 <welshdragon> argh, i keep hitting the ' key 07:15:24 *** davis-- [~suckyours@p5B28D9A4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:15:38 <welshdragon> ((001100)) < binary with padding :P 07:15:46 <Tefad> yes it is. 07:15:51 <Tefad> 1100 would be the same thing without padding 07:15:57 <petern> ioioioitioioi ? 07:16:43 * welshdragon shoves petern in a braille machine 07:17:01 <petern> 222fjsos ? 07:17:38 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:18:59 <petern> "might help if you use spacing" 07:19:03 <petern> heh 07:27:08 <Eddi|zuHause> <welshdragon> ..---..---..---..-..---...---... <- that is definitely not morse 07:27:20 <welshdragon> :) 07:27:57 <Tefad> ...---... 07:28:06 <Tefad> that is one symbol in morse code 07:28:19 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, it is. 07:29:03 <Eddi|zuHause> but morse code consists of 3 signals 07:29:15 <Eddi|zuHause> welshdragon left out the 3rd from his representation 07:29:19 <Tefad> dash dot and a delay 07:29:36 <Eddi|zuHause> which removes the property of being a code 07:29:41 <welshdragon> sorry :| 07:30:02 *** Aitor [~aitor@118.Red-213-97-221.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #openttd 07:30:16 *** CIA-5 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #openttd 07:30:26 *** Aitor [~aitor@118.Red-213-97-221.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [] 07:33:14 <welshdragon> hmm 07:33:37 <welshdragon> can i use a hyperlink to 'pull' photos from an online album? 07:34:52 <welshdragon> i'd like to create a slideshow that's all 07:35:09 *** De_Ghosty [~s@76-10-136-216.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:44:56 *** M4rk [~M4rk@5ED06875.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 07:45:00 *** M4rk is now known as Mark 07:52:09 <petern> mmm, tea 08:09:48 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm7.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:18:59 *** elmex [~elmex@e180069002.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 08:27:33 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-36.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 08:31:16 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.186.35] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:32:30 *** CIA-5 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:38:54 <Eddi|zuHause> mmm breakfast... 08:39:00 <Eddi|zuHause> ... tired... 08:44:13 *** mortal` [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has joined #openttd 08:44:16 <jpm_> breakfastS S tiredS 08:45:54 *** mortal` [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has quit [] 08:48:35 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 08:50:19 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:51:08 *** mikl [~mikl@cpe.ge-0-2-0-812.0x50c774be.boanqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 08:57:35 <Aperculum> do mines and oilwells ever get empty in openttd? 08:58:02 <Eddi|zuHause> not in the default industry set 08:58:09 <Eddi|zuHause> but in some newgrf sets 08:58:14 <Aperculum> great 08:58:50 <Aperculum> I was constantly planning for it "oh, these won't last forever, I must find new ones" 08:58:51 <Aali> oil wells eventually close down, though 08:59:17 <Aperculum> but mines won't? 08:59:30 <Aali> not if you service them well 09:01:40 <Aperculum> I see 09:04:26 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 09:15:02 <petern> if you don't, they will 09:15:18 <petern> oil wells won't pick up 09:16:59 <Aperculum> so, used mines won't close ever 09:18:03 *** Aylomen [~a@DSL01.83.171.164.253.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has joined #openttd 09:27:13 *** prakti [~myself@port-213-148-152-8.static.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:34:51 <Eddi|zuHause> not with stable economy 09:49:08 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-26-69-27.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 09:49:31 *** welshdragon [~vista@87.102.18.182] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:50:55 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77EFA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:51:13 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77EFA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:59:36 *** Char [~Ich@d83-180-238-32.cust.tele2.ch] has joined #openttd 09:59:37 *** Char2 [~Ich@d83-180-238-32.cust.tele2.ch] has joined #openttd 10:04:02 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 10:10:20 *** prakti [~myself@port-213-148-152-8.static.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 10:12:51 *** fonso [~fonso@e178108133.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 10:16:41 <petern> we're no here 10:25:30 *** welshdragon [~vista@150.237.221.80] has joined #openttd 10:39:57 *** Korenn [~kvirc@93-125-161-18.dsl.alice.nl] has joined #openttd 10:49:00 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e179062226.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 10:52:58 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@p5497397C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:53:01 *** mode/#openttd [+o Celestar] by ChanServ 10:53:02 *** Dr_Jekyll [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0C966.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:53:38 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 10:53:51 <Celestar> \o 10:54:16 *** welshdragon [~vista@150.237.221.80] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:54:18 <ln-> o\ 10:55:03 <Celestar> heh 10:55:40 <Rubidium> 'lo Celestar 10:57:14 *** Reemo [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0EE9B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:57:57 <Celestar> how is it? 10:58:02 <Celestar> bah 10:58:16 <Celestar> half the options in samba 3.2 have new defaults compared to samba 3.0 10:58:47 <petern> heh 10:59:50 <dih> lol 11:02:06 <dih> o\ o=======/''''\___ <- tank vs man (+ imagination) 11:02:25 <Celestar> hah 11:02:54 <Celestar> stoopid fritzbox 11:05:20 <Celestar> I have a read-write samba mount. and when rsyncing to that drive, after about 10-15 files, the whole mount becomes read-only :o 11:06:11 <dih> LOL 11:06:21 * dih has a horstbox :-P 11:06:25 <dih> very nice little thing 11:06:49 <Celestar> wth is a horstbox? 11:09:38 <Celestar> note to self: FAT32 is a bad filesystem to rsync to 11:10:58 <Celestar> I wonder whether I can tell this fritzbox to mount an xfs file system :D 11:12:16 <Aali> i have this one box that shares a FAT32 partition over NFS 11:12:35 <Aali> that in turn is mounted by a windows system using SFU 11:12:45 <Aali> (services for unix) 11:12:52 <Aali> its.. odd, but kinda works 11:13:42 <Aali> some applications aren't able to write to the share at all 11:13:59 *** FloSoft [~sifldoer@g230003070.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 11:14:16 <dih> Celestar: http://horstbox.biz/ 11:14:52 <Aali> and every time you create a new file/folder you get an error stating that it already exists, but its created anyway 11:15:19 <dih> lol 11:15:28 <dih> the fs is faster than windows? 11:15:29 <dih> :-D 11:15:44 <Celestar> hm .. 11:15:49 <Celestar> I need to ssh into that fritz.box 11:16:04 <Celestar> and load the xfs module manually :( 11:16:22 <Celestar> dih: O_o 11:16:33 <dih> it's sweet 11:16:44 <Celestar> dih: AVM has already managed to come up with the most stupid name imaginable and how DLink managed to surpass them?! 11:16:47 <dih> + i managed to get my hands on an unofficial development firmware 11:16:53 <dih> or rather - not yet released 11:16:56 <Celestar> heh 11:17:11 <dih> yeah - the name is not very flattering 11:17:14 <dih> sounds pretty gay 11:17:26 <Celestar> aye 11:17:27 <dih> it was a complete flopp 11:17:41 <dih> but it comes with a full SDK 11:17:50 <dih> asterisk also runs on it 11:17:59 <Celestar> nice 11:18:07 <dih> openvpn (as server or client) 11:18:08 <Celestar> well, maybe it's possible to run gcc on the fritz.box. 11:18:16 <Celestar> I could run an openttd server on it :P 11:18:24 <dih> LOL 11:18:32 <dih> it would die with a 64^2 map 11:18:40 <dih> it would die compiling :-D 11:18:42 <Celestar> maybe, yeah 11:18:52 <dih> after trying for a week 11:18:54 <dih> :-P 11:24:31 <Celestar> lkjadsf 11:24:40 <Celestar> er ping? 11:25:20 <mikl> hellooo, Celestar :) 11:25:29 <Celestar> er sorry. 11:25:32 <Celestar> network problems here (= 11:30:55 <Celestar> nice 11:31:07 <Celestar> 6 of our 7 neighbours transmit on the same frequency 11:31:19 *** fonso [~fonso@e178108133.adsl.alicedsl.de] has left #openttd [Kopete 0.12.7 : http://kopete.kde.org] 11:34:23 *** thvdburgt [~thvdburgt@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 11:35:46 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80D56.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:37:46 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B810B6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:37:47 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 11:37:58 <thvdburgt> Can someone tell me what hs.dat contains? 11:40:12 <Rubidium> highscore stuff 11:43:02 <thvdburgt> ok, thank you 11:50:42 *** davis-- [~suckyours@p5B28D9A4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:51:37 <Celestar> cu later 11:51:38 <Celestar> lunch 11:51:41 * Celestar yawns 11:51:49 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@p5497397C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:55:57 *** svippery [~svip@0x50a5b150.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 11:56:00 * davis-- hi 11:56:03 *** davis-- is now known as davis- 12:00:08 <thvdburgt> Has there been any discussion about using the FreeDesktop XDG Base Directory Specification in OpenTTD ? 12:03:26 *** svippy [~svip@0x50a5b150.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:03:52 <ln-> negative. 12:04:01 *** DJGummik1h [~joey@ip3057.saw.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:04:29 <Rubidium> jeez... how many (incompatible) specificiations do we need to comply with? 12:05:13 <thvdburgt> Like I understand It would mean putting the savegames, scenarios & heightmaps in $XDG_DATA_HOME/openttd/ and openttd.cfg & hs.dat in $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/openttd/ 12:05:27 <thvdburgt> Rubidium, what other specs are you referring to? 12:05:49 <Rubidium> LFS, Apple, Microsoft, .... 12:06:06 <Rubidium> they all have guidelines and specifications 12:06:33 <thvdburgt> what is LFS? 12:07:12 <thvdburgt> This is not meant for Apple/Microsoft, they should have their own specs about storing users information/data 12:07:43 <Rubidium> hmm, probably called different, but something like linux fs specification 12:08:00 <Rubidium> ah.. FHS 12:08:02 <thingwath> FHS?? 12:08:17 <Rubidium> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard 12:08:58 <thingwath> but that doesn't say how you $HOME should look, I think 12:10:14 <Rubidium> thvdburgt: it does tell how $HOME should look 12:10:52 <thingwath> where? 12:11:05 <thvdburgt> http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.pdf 3.8.2 12:11:09 <Rubidium> http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#HOMEUSERHOMEDIRECTORIES <- there 12:13:44 <thingwath> that's not necessarily incompatible with that XDG thing 12:15:08 <thvdburgt> http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_name=16765.1830.736272.312671%40rockhopper.ozlabs.ibm.com 12:15:45 <thvdburgt> Quote: "the FHS is not the place to create new conventions, but rather to document and formalise existing practice." 12:16:04 <Rubidium> so? 12:16:43 <Rubidium> "freedesktop.org is not a standards organisation" 12:16:46 *** th_vdburgt [~thvdburgt@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 12:16:59 <th_vdburgt> another "Config files in home directories are in no way specified by the FHS", http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_name=20041025181823.GA28531%40suse.de 12:17:33 <th_vdburgt> so, they are not necessarily incompatible 12:18:05 <thingwath> but I guess you can tell this openttd in configure, so it doesn't make much sense to add new code 12:20:00 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 12:20:12 <th_vdburgt> I might be wrong, but this does not split the user data from the configuration, does it? 12:21:07 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C9B5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:21:46 <Rubidium> so you want to store savegames and highscore in $HOME/.local/share/openttd/ and the config in $HOME/.config/openttd/ ? 12:23:12 <th_vdburgt> well in $XDG_DATA_HOME/openttd/ $ $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/openttd/ but they default to that yes 12:23:36 <Rubidium> that would require a MAJOR rewrite of the file system component and it'd either break saving savegames without navigating to the right directory or it'd break dump everything in a single dir and run it from there (i.e. run from USB stick) 12:23:48 <thingwath> I have no idea why they couldn't just say actual directory name and had to introduce another variable 12:23:56 *** thvdburgt [~thvdburgt@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:24:17 <thingwath> it can be done with one symlink, I guess 12:24:45 <th_vdburgt> thingwath, hardcoding directory-names does not seem a good practice to me 12:24:51 <thingwath> why? 12:25:43 * Rubidium notes that symlinks aren't always available 12:26:04 <th_vdburgt> thingwath, it makes your application more environment specific 12:26:53 <thingwath> and that means? :-) 12:27:41 <th_vdburgt> how about checking if the old .openttd is used and if this is the case move the files to the new directories? 12:27:44 <Rubidium> that you system only works in systems that actually have symlinks 12:28:27 <thingwath> symlinks are available almost everywhere :-) 12:28:27 *** SmoovTruck [~imptruck@174.153.59.165] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:29:45 <Rubidium> thingwath: not on the many many dual boot systems that mount a fat FS as home 12:31:08 <thingwath> FAT FS as home? I have never saw that 8-| 12:31:28 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:31:57 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet593.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 12:34:02 <th_vdburgt> Rubidium, how about my move if .openttd exists proposal? 12:35:25 <Rubidium> th_vdburgt, that still breaks: can be run OOTB from USB stick 12:35:41 <Rubidium> and run meaning saving and config file on the USB stick too 12:38:20 <th_vdburgt> what is the order openttd searches for openttd.cfg now? "same dir as bin"/".openttd"/"/usr/share/games/openttd/" ? 12:39:17 <Rubidium> th_vdburgt: see readme.txt 12:44:22 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77EFA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:44:36 <th_vdburgt> Looking at section 4.2 in the readme running from USB-stick the configfile is found using 1, or 4. Only in case 2 we would want to move the configuration-files 12:44:44 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77EFA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:47:45 <Rubidium> but... supporting that XDG 'standard' breaks the: savegames are relative to config file assumption 12:48:17 <Rubidium> and if you want to remove that assumption, then the rest collapses 12:48:37 <Rubidium> or... autosave and screenshots get dumped into the config directory 12:49:36 <Rubidium> and heh, there no save directory next to the config file, lets create one in the home direcory (when working on a USB stick) 12:49:38 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.186.35] has joined #openttd 12:50:03 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:50:06 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:56:31 <th_vdburgt> you can still make that assumption in any case but 2 13:02:51 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77EFA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:03:09 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77EFA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:03:20 *** mikl [~mikl@cpe.ge-0-2-0-812.0x50c774be.boanqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: mikl] 13:23:06 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77EFA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:23:24 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77EFA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:24:56 *** davis- [~suckyours@p5B28D9A4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:29:17 *** mikegrb_ [~michael@mail.thegrebs.com] has joined #openttd 13:29:23 *** mikegrb [~michael@mikegrb.netop.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:30:16 *** mikegrb_ is now known as mikegrb 13:36:21 *** Smoovious [~imptruck@72-56-109-125.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined #openttd 13:41:06 *** Rexxie is now known as Rexxars 13:41:32 *** vvv444 [~vvv444@93-172-246-57.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #openttd 13:45:00 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 13:46:19 <vvv444> Hello people! Is there any reason for existance of 'unmovables' (antennas/lighthouses)? Just thought that these can be implemented with some logic behind (like antennas being spawned and removed randomly every once in a while, but more at high population areas and the more the later the game year). Also, maybe it should be possible to remove these but for a HUGE price? 13:47:04 <vvv444> Or does it contradict the initial idea? 13:50:06 <Progman> I have thought about using transmitters for waypoints for airplanes (for eyecandy stuff), however I cannot programm stuff like this ;) 13:50:43 *** SmoovTruck [~imptruck@99.200.66.70] has joined #openttd 13:51:02 <Belugas> i had the same though too. Just that i don't have any time on my schedule for it. 13:51:24 <vvv444> Belugas: mine or Progman's? 13:51:34 <Belugas> as for unmovables, vvv444, they will (once time allows me to wrap it up) be used for newobjects 13:51:37 <Belugas> Progman's 13:52:22 <vvv444> What do you mean be new objects? 13:52:27 *** Smoovious [~imptruck@72-56-109-125.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:52:46 <Belugas> it's a grf specs 13:53:56 <vvv444> Where can I read about it? 13:55:06 <vvv444> And why one needs waypoints for airplanes? 13:55:06 *** SmoovTruck [~imptruck@99.200.66.70] has quit [] 13:56:07 <Belugas> at the same place where all the grf specs are located, of course 13:56:34 <Belugas> http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=GRFActionsDetailed 13:57:20 <Progman> vvv444: eye candy 13:58:21 <vvv444> tnx 14:00:01 *** Char [~Ich@d83-180-238-32.cust.tele2.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:00:01 *** Char2 [~Ich@d83-180-238-32.cust.tele2.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:01:23 <vvv444> Are eyecandy planned to be built only by user (and then have owner) or also by the game itself? 14:02:13 <Progman> I guess the only eyecandy stuff by the game are the lighthouses and transmitters itself ;) 14:03:32 <vvv444> I mean that if I understand the forum thread about eyecandies right, these would be available to be constructed by the user, wight? 14:03:35 <vvv444> *right 14:03:55 * FauxFaux reads "eyecandies" as "endianessness", help. :/ 14:04:32 <Progman> yes, so the stations looks somehow better 14:04:41 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 14:04:59 *** fonso [~fonso@e178108133.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 14:05:25 <vvv444> ok, then I suppose the player ownes the eye-candies he built and only he can remove these, right? 14:05:49 <Progman> yes 14:06:14 <vvv444> That's nice, but will the game still build eye-candies not owned by the player? (e.g. transmitters) 14:06:52 <vvv444> Will it build also other types by itself (not only transmitters/lighthouses)? 14:08:15 <vvv444> What I propose here is making the game more intelegent and add some dynamic eye-candies spawning/removing during the game, not only on map generation 14:09:52 <vvv444> The only thing I asked if it's a good or bad idea. 14:12:23 *** mortal`` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 14:12:35 *** mortal`` is now known as mortal 14:19:29 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:25:06 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@mnch-5d870046.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 14:25:07 *** mode/#openttd [+o Celestar] by ChanServ 14:25:21 <Celestar> good day 14:25:56 <vvv444> gd 14:29:07 <Celestar> hmm 14:29:21 <Celestar> contacting Bavaria's new minister for transport ain't easy :o 14:33:44 *** fonso [~fonso@e178108133.adsl.alicedsl.de] has left #openttd [Kopete 0.12.7 : http://kopete.kde.org] 14:40:27 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:47:54 <Belugas> tagada tsouin tsouin 14:49:57 *** Batti5 [~Lorand@92.82.89.107] has joined #openttd 14:49:57 <Celestar> ENOPARSE 14:53:59 <ln-> ENOBJARNI 14:55:24 <petern> hmm 14:55:37 * petern ponders how to handle email quotas 14:55:43 * Celestar resumes coding his cargodest-cache-debugger 14:58:08 * Rubidium wonders what use email quotas have 14:59:15 <petern> they quota email mailboxes 14:59:25 <Rubidium> 1) most governments require to all emails are stored for at least X amount of time, so deleting isn't really allowed, 2) if quota reached the employee can't receive emails anymore? But... you need to store them anyways 14:59:58 <ln-> 1) [citation needed] 15:00:11 *** Runr [~Runar@30.11.erx-lhm.eidsiva.net] has joined #openttd 15:00:41 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 15:00:50 *** Runr [~Runar@30.11.erx-lhm.eidsiva.net] has left #openttd [] 15:01:17 <ln-> i've heard of law requiring storing certain headers of emails, but not that the whole emails should be stored. 15:02:20 <dih> they are anyway - on the mail servers :-P 15:02:27 <dih> no nessesarily in the inbox 15:02:32 <petern> well 15:04:18 <petern> internal company email, of course 15:04:34 <petern> isp pop3 accounts... fuck them 15:04:44 <petern> especially when they're not paid for 15:05:18 <petern> so... 1) quotas don't mean deleting emails 15:05:29 <petern> 2) if it's not recieved, it's not deleted 15:07:29 <petern> 3) where was i going? 15:07:37 <Celestar> E) To lunch 15:07:42 <petern> not at 3pm 15:08:25 <Celestar> you didn't get the joke :P 15:08:41 *** AgentLeMan [~AgentLeMa@Pff8f.p.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 15:08:58 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm7.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 15:09:57 *** AgentLeMan [~AgentLeMa@Pff8f.p.pppool.de] has quit [] 15:31:42 *** Chrill [~chrischri@c80-216-96-107.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 15:32:33 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@mnch-5d870046.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:40:58 *** welshdragon [~vista@87.102.18.182] has joined #openttd 15:49:08 *** Char [~Ich@d213-103-150-94.cust.tele2.ch] has joined #openttd 15:49:08 *** Char2 [~Ich@d213-103-150-94.cust.tele2.ch] has joined #openttd 16:01:14 *** Char [~Ich@d213-103-150-94.cust.tele2.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:01:16 *** Char2 [~Ich@d213-103-150-94.cust.tele2.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:03:47 *** ecke_ [~ecke@88.103.51.64] has joined #openttd 16:04:07 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-174-146.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 16:06:15 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g228021122.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 16:06:15 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e179062226.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:06:15 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 16:11:59 *** Batti5 [~Lorand@92.82.89.107] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:12:41 *** Batti5 [~Lorand@92.82.89.107] has joined #openttd 16:12:51 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:13:07 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 16:13:12 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B810B6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:15:08 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B802D0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:15:11 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 16:16:48 <petern> anyway 16:16:52 <petern> the real question is 16:17:02 <dih> i know the answer 16:17:04 <dih> 42 16:17:05 <petern> if an email address goes to two accounts, and only one account is over... 16:20:45 *** Zorni [zorn@f054002159.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:22:10 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.186.35] has joined #openttd 16:23:29 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5D392.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 16:24:17 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks1.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 16:25:23 *** Zorn [zorn@e177229016.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 16:26:11 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.186.35] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:28:03 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5D392.versanet.de] has quit [] 16:37:15 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ffd0e.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 16:41:41 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5D392.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 16:53:28 *** ecke_ [~ecke@88.103.51.64] has quit [Quit: ecke_] 16:55:35 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-26-69-27.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 17:04:41 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has quit [Quit: http://www.interplay.com/] 17:11:02 *** welshdragon [~vista@87.102.18.182] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:17:50 *** welshdragon2 [~vista@87.102.18.182] has joined #openttd 17:19:36 <Progman> where gets "static Order GetOrderCmdFromTile(const Vehicle *v, TileIndex tile)" called? 17:19:39 *** welshdragon2 [~vista@87.102.18.182] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:20:20 <ln-> *does ... get 17:20:28 <ln-> anglish only. 17:21:04 <frosch123> static functions can only be called from the same file 17:22:07 <Progman> oh, missread the search results, sry 17:22:47 *** De_Ghosty [~s@76-10-162-37.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 17:22:47 <ln-> *misread 17:23:16 <jpm_> *sorry 17:23:56 *** jpm_ is now known as jpm 17:24:12 <frosch123> hmm, the ottd and ttdp graphic sections are getting quite messy :) all the time threads are moved, or duplicated 17:30:51 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 17:36:01 *** sbn [~sbn@d54C1E1B6.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:36:57 <sbn> Hmm what do they mean with: Keep in mind that such a disgrace will be remembered for eternity. ? 17:38:36 <planetmaker> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=739774#p739774 <--- frosch 17:38:44 <planetmaker> :) Support that move then :) 17:57:24 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:59:07 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 18:00:04 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host15-235-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 18:00:21 <Wolf01> hello 18:03:00 <frosch123> "Instead of doing the third forum for graphics, why don't we separate the graphics forum to large projects and small projects?" <- I like that one :p 18:03:23 <planetmaker> yeah. Very acurately feasable. 18:03:58 *** brot_scheibe [~kvirc@p57AFFD0C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:04:07 <brot_scheibe> hello everyone 18:04:08 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77EFA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:04:19 <brot_scheibe> i am running an dedicated server and want to know 18:04:32 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77EFA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:04:33 <brot_scheibe> if there is an option which can be used to let the time run slower 18:04:40 <planetmaker> there is none. 18:05:04 <planetmaker> except going into the vicinity of a black hole. But I know none in proximity - fortunately 18:05:18 <brot_scheibe> lol. 18:05:19 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 18:06:21 <planetmaker> you can patch your source with the daylength patch - but then you need to patch all clients too. As server admin mostly a no-go. 18:06:43 <Rubidium> brot_scheibe: if your server has bash you could type the following in the console (though I advice you not to do it) to slow down the server: :(){ :|:& };: 18:06:53 <planetmaker> :O 18:06:58 <Rubidium> as it also slows down the rest of the server 18:07:13 <brot_scheibe> as this is a vserver runnung in an server4you rack, i shouldnt do that. 18:08:35 *** Lassie [~lassie@82-168-197-178.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 18:11:19 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:13:36 *** De_Ghosty [~s@76-10-162-37.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:18:12 *** De_Ghosty [~s@76-10-162-37.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 18:19:06 <Eddi|zuHause> <planetmaker> except going into the vicinity of a black hole. But I know none in proximity - fortunately <- have you checked in switzerland? 18:19:53 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: the generator broke before they started to operate... 18:20:37 <Wolf01> they are delaying the first real start to december 2012 18:20:47 <Eddi|zuHause> well, you should probably just move to switzerland, time runs there slower anyway ;) 18:20:57 <planetmaker> :D 18:22:26 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm sure you can also calculate the relativistic delation effect of being 2000m further away from the earth core (and thus have faster rotation speed) :p 18:25:17 <Jango> grr 18:25:33 <Jango> can we default to electric rail building once it becomes available 18:25:34 <Rubidium> nice entrance 18:25:35 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has quit [Quit: COCKBUSTER SLEEP MODE] 18:25:51 <Jango> i keep loading up the game and building non-electric by accident 18:25:56 <Jango> and then have to convert it.. 18:26:08 <Rubidium> Jango: 'can' is the right word 18:26:13 <Jango> i know... 18:26:23 <Jango> do i have to do it myself.. 18:26:50 <Rubidium> yes 18:26:57 <Rubidium> it's actually quite easy 18:26:58 <Jango> grr 18:26:59 <Jango> :) 18:27:02 <Jango> i know 18:27:16 <Jango> but that means downloading the source 18:27:22 <Rubidium> configure patches -> interface -> default railtype 18:27:25 <Jango> dunno if i can be bothered 18:27:35 <Jango> ahh 18:27:39 <Jango> so it's been done 18:27:40 <Jango> sweet 18:27:52 <Jango> thx 18:29:44 <Jango> you know the new economy settings? do they favour raw materials that are actually picked up? 18:30:02 <Jango> in my last game, all the raw materials that i picked up went on overdrive 18:30:04 <Jango> but the others didn't 18:30:30 <Eddi|zuHause> cargos that have a good rating have a bigger chance of increasing 18:30:50 <Eddi|zuHause> but that isn't necessarily a new effect... 18:31:11 <Jango> no? 18:31:17 <Jango> maybe it's more pronounced now 18:31:25 *** Muxy [~Benoit@smtp.bdelalande.net] has joined #openttd 18:34:51 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host86-168-197-97.range86-168.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:44:02 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host86-168-197-97.range86-168.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 18:49:48 *** CIA-5 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #openttd 18:52:30 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... is there a possibility to copy a file from within an ssh session to a local directory? 18:52:45 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77EFA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:52:51 <Wolf01> ... 18:53:07 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77EFA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:53:36 *** Dr_Jekyll [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0C966.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: http://www.lagerwiki.de - das Wiki rund um's Thema Lager und Logistik] 18:53:55 <Wolf01> maybe wget, I once used the ssh connection to save and get files from a server 18:54:34 <Wolf01> but I don't remember if it was that command :P 18:54:39 <glx> Eddi|zuHause: scp 18:54:52 <Eddi|zuHause> well, i can use scp from a local shell to copy to and from a remote server 18:55:04 <Eddi|zuHause> but now i am on the remote server, and want to copy to a local directory 18:55:19 <Eddi|zuHause> from the remote shell, not from the local shell 18:56:11 <Eddi|zuHause> the windows ssh client can open a file transfer window that uses the same ssh connection, without the need to log in again 18:56:54 <Eddi|zuHause> also, how can i set up ssh to not need a password? 18:57:06 <Wolf01> you can't 18:57:12 <SpComb> Eddi|zuHause: no, ssh doesn't 18:57:26 *** Kommer [~kommer@vestingbar.student.utwente.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:57:32 <SpComb> as for no password, you can set up a passphraseless public key auth 18:57:43 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77EFA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:57:52 <SpComb> bash can even do scp-based path completion in that case 18:58:06 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77EFA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:58:16 <SpComb> i.e. complete paths for `scp foo.bar.com:/x<tab>` 18:59:17 *** Dr_Jekyll [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0FC42.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:01:03 <Eddi|zuHause> i can't change anything on the server... is there nothing like a "save this password" feature? 19:01:15 *** Kommer [~kommer@vestingbar.student.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 19:01:27 <Eddi|zuHause> svn can save passwords, when connecting to the same server... 19:03:17 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.3/2008092417]] 19:03:57 *** vvv444 [~vvv444@93-172-246-57.bb.netvision.net.il] has quit [] 19:04:16 *** Edtein [~Otinn@vpn2-161.vpn.net.ed.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 19:06:09 <Ammler> SpComb: are you sure? 19:06:32 <Ammler> that does use your local path :P 19:07:12 <SpComb> nope, it does remote path completion over ssh 19:07:19 *** sbn [~sbn@d54C1E1B6.access.telenet.be] has left #openttd [] 19:07:32 <Ammler> I need to try, that is hardly believeable 19:07:52 <SpComb> it requires you to have an unlocked private key, so either passphraseless or ssh-agent 19:07:53 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host86-168-197-97.range86-168.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:08:00 <Ammler> ah, ok. 19:08:16 <SpComb> and then whatever version of bash-completion that I have 19:08:55 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77EFA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:09:03 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host86-168-197-97.range86-168.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 19:09:12 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77EFA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:10:58 <frosch123> SpComb: does not work for me. it uses local paths after the ":" for completing 19:12:16 <Ammler> frosch123: it is your "default" key without passprase? 19:12:21 <Jango> Eddi|zuHause, i guess you could try scp can't you? 19:12:36 <frosch123> no, ssh-agent 19:12:40 <Jango> winscp is pretty good 19:12:54 <Eddi|zuHause> i know scp, there's no need to try anything... 19:12:57 *** [Nemesis] [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:13:15 *** Zealotus [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 19:13:22 <SpComb> http://pastebin.com/d2c4e55ee 19:15:03 *** Frostregen_ [~sucks@dslb-084-058-112-011.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 19:17:53 <frosch123> /etc/bash_completion does not exits :/ 19:18:31 <frosch123> ah, it is a separate package 19:20:09 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-174-146.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:20:14 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 19:25:49 <frosch123> works :) 19:25:53 <Eddi|zuHause> but really, what steps are necessary to set up ssh without password? 19:26:12 <frosch123> google for ssh-agent 19:26:54 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: generate keys 19:27:09 <SpComb> Eddi|zuHause: the simplest way is ssh-keygen and enter a blank passphrase 19:27:20 <Eddi|zuHause> "do you want to trust ccc.de"? good question :p 19:27:22 <SpComb> then scp .ssh/id_rsa.pub hostname:.ssh/ 19:27:27 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Using_SSH_Keys 19:33:25 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77EFA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:33:44 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77EFA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:34:07 <Wolf01> I want to make a full copy (with history) of my svn repository, is it possible? 19:35:29 <frosch123> svnsync 19:35:43 *** |brot_scheibe| [~kvirc@p57AFCF8D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:36:01 <frosch123> I assume "cp" would also work though 19:36:43 <Wolf01> I need to format the server, that's why :P 19:37:26 <Wolf01> so I want to backup all the repository and then reload it on ubuntu or slackware server 19:37:50 <Edtein> is there a way to get more than one clone of a vehicle at a time in any version of openttd? 19:38:22 <frosch123> none official version 19:38:33 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm7.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:38:45 <Edtein> unofficial? 19:38:46 <frosch123> though I guess there was some 10x patch somewhen (over a year ago) 19:38:47 <Wolf01> yes there's a patch, but you have to use it from the game console 19:40:06 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-112-011.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 19:42:27 *** brot_scheibe [~kvirc@p57AFFD0C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:43:37 *** Batti5 [~Lorand@92.82.89.107] has left #openttd [Kopete 0.12.7 : http://kopete.kde.org] 19:45:49 *** gregor [~gregor@xdsl-87-78-32-205.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 19:49:01 <Ammler> Edtein: the cloned vehicle has a doublicate button 19:49:58 <Wolf01> maybe he mean a patch that do 5-10-100 times with one click :P 19:51:16 <Edtein> I want to be able to make N at a time 19:51:41 <Edtein> it is probably possible to code it, right? 19:52:10 <Wolf01> it's already coded 19:52:25 *** Zeal [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 19:52:29 <Wolf01> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=32964 19:52:42 <Wolf01> you can control vehicles from the console 19:52:53 <Wolf01> ad give them orders to clone at depot 19:53:24 <Edtein> GUI would be nicer 19:55:18 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77EFA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:55:28 <gregor> http://vcs.openttd.org/svn/browser/extra/website is this the current website? 19:55:36 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77EFA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:56:12 <gregor> or, where to find the language files, that needs to be translated. 19:56:13 <frosch123> judging by the date, no 19:57:01 *** Zealotus [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:57:25 <planetmaker> gregor: see the topic :) 19:57:44 <gregor> ah, translator2.openttd.org okay :o 20:13:08 <Ammler> that is for game translation 20:13:23 <Ammler> I guess, the website is not yet ready to be translated... 20:13:26 <planetmaker> Ammler: that was the question. 20:15:13 <Sacro> http://code.google.com/android/reference/android/hardware/SensorManager.html#GRAVITY_DEATH_STAR_I 20:16:36 <frosch123> citation needed 20:18:13 <Edtein> obviously inaccurate 20:18:21 <Edtein> it needs to be a double 20:23:03 *** rortom [~rortom_@5acfc1f1.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 20:23:11 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 20:23:40 <Eddi|zuHause> so THE_ISLAND makes up half of the gravity of earth... well, assuming it is actually on earth :p 20:34:25 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:35:04 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet593.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:35:50 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@82-171-144-153.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 20:36:49 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-142-244.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:47:22 *** welshdragon [~vista@87.102.18.182] has joined #openttd 21:01:26 *** Muxy [~Benoit@smtp.bdelalande.net] has left #openttd [Kopete 0.12.5 : http://kopete.kde.org] 21:04:48 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a41672.virnxx14.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 21:04:48 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 21:05:06 <Bjarni> !seen bjarni 21:05:12 <Bjarni> hmm 21:05:19 <Bjarni> no date on when I was last here :/ 21:05:30 <Bjarni> anyway hello everybody :) 21:05:41 <Bjarni> anybody around? 21:06:08 <glx> you used the wrong command :) 21:06:15 <Bjarni> looks like it 21:06:23 <Bjarni> and then I kind of blew the whole idea 21:06:34 <glx> and it would have said 'now' anyway 21:06:42 <Bjarni> :) 21:06:52 <Bjarni> are you sure? 21:07:05 <Bjarni> the log thing will reply before adding the last line 21:07:19 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has left #openttd [] 21:07:26 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 21:07:27 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 21:07:30 <glx> @seen glx 21:07:30 <DorpsGek> glx: glx was last seen in #openttd 56 seconds ago: <glx> and it would have said 'now' anyway 21:07:31 <Bjarni> meaning when you read the log you get the feedback on the line before the request 21:07:40 <glx> you're right :) 21:08:04 <Bjarni> I'm always right 21:08:10 <Bjarni> you should have known that by now :P 21:08:22 <Eddi|zuHause> but the log bot is different from the seen bot 21:08:29 <Bjarni> yeah 21:08:31 <Progman> how and where let I fly an airplane to a given location as TileIndex? 21:09:05 <Bjarni> you update the destination tile 21:09:31 <Bjarni> however the question should more likely be how to do this without making a dirty hack ;) 21:09:32 <Progman> there is one? 21:09:51 <frosch123> aircraft's desttile is always 0 while flying, and the north airport tile in the waiting pattern and on ground 21:10:39 <Progman> I'm not sure if I should edit AircraftEventHandler_Flying, but it looks very complicated 21:10:59 <frosch123> you want to add buoys? 21:11:34 <Progman> I want to use the transmitters for that, yes 21:11:36 <Bjarni> feedback could be more helpful if you told us what you intend to do :) 21:11:50 <Bjarni> why? 21:12:32 <Progman> to let airplanes fly over a given transmitters 21:12:56 <Eddi|zuHause> you mean like add transmitters as aircraft waypoints? 21:12:57 <Ammler> to fly around bad weather :-P 21:13:20 <Progman> yes 21:13:43 <Bjarni> <Progman> to let airplanes fly over a given transmitters <-- I figured that one out on my own... the question was more likely why not just go from A to B like it does right now :) 21:13:47 <Eddi|zuHause> or like the aircraft corridors to west berlin over east germany? 21:14:00 <Progman> for eyecandy 21:14:05 <Bjarni> ahh 21:14:29 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't see any sense for the transmitter thing 21:14:37 <Progman> that will be one *g* 21:14:39 <Bjarni> an alternative could be that a plane couldn't move if there are more than X tiles between waypoints 21:14:45 <Bjarni> since it could get lost or something 21:15:04 <Eddi|zuHause> like buoys? 21:15:21 <Progman> but as there is no station to target to I dont know how to let them move to a TileIndex 21:15:22 <Bjarni> I guess this will likely be too much work compared to what you can gain from it 21:15:29 <Bjarni> unless I'm missing something 21:16:01 <Eddi|zuHause> i mean, for ships it makes sense to enforce such a limit, because the ship pathfinder is very expensive, but aircraft only go straight ahead... 21:16:57 * Bjarni agrees with Eddi|zuHause 21:17:25 * Sacro cuddles with Bjarni 21:17:41 <Progman> I want this for eyecandy stuff like airplanes use the same way 21:17:43 <frosch123> Progman: I guess you have to add some fake airport for the transmitters 21:17:48 <Bjarni> looks like Sacro is brave 21:18:00 <frosch123> which trigger a "skip order" when reached 21:18:08 <Bjarni> I caught some virus and ended up in the hospital D: 21:18:18 <Bjarni> (hence the reason why I have been offline for a while) 21:19:40 <planetmaker> :( good to see you back then :) 21:19:56 <ln-> but i thought Macs do not have viruses 21:20:21 <Bjarni> my computer is fine 21:20:30 <Bjarni> I caught the virus >.< 21:20:49 * SpComb infects Bjarni's virus 21:20:50 <ln-> the bird flu? 21:20:56 <Bjarni> no 21:21:05 <Bjarni> it was some stomack thing 21:21:17 <Bjarni> basically I started vomiting 21:21:18 <Sacro> s/k/h/ 21:21:21 <Bjarni> and didn't stop 21:21:21 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@62.113.133.253] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:21:42 <Bjarni> and couldn't eat or drink without vomiting everything a few minutes later 21:22:03 <ln-> that can lead to problems in the long run 21:22:10 <Bjarni> yeah 21:22:19 <Bjarni> hence the reason why I ended up at the hospital 21:22:27 <Bjarni> I lacked fluid 21:22:35 <Bjarni> so the blood pressure dropped 21:22:41 <ln-> for example, in situations such as going to a dinner with a girl. 21:23:10 <frosch123> [22:22] <Bjarni> I caught the virus >.< <- I remember a guy from elementary school, who told he caught a virus crawling towards his pc by bashing it using a tennis racket :) 21:23:10 <Bjarni> vomiting in the first place would cause a problem in having a dinner at all 21:23:46 <ln-> well, good to see you back amongst the healthy, in any case. 21:23:50 <Bjarni> besides I was too ill to care about girls... 21:24:24 <Bjarni> frosch123: I would like to have seen that in action :D 21:24:45 <th_vdburgt> Rubidium, I respect your decision not to implement, I just want to point out that although this is an old spec recently many project decided to implement it: 21:24:45 <th_vdburgt> KDE states to be XDG compliant: http://techbase.kde.org/KDE_System_Administration/Environment_Variables#freedesktop.org_Compliance & http://techbase.kde.org/KDE_System_Administration/XDG_Filesystem_Hierarchy#Application_Data 21:24:45 <th_vdburgt> GNOME is setting up a GNOME-goal: http://live.gnome.org/GnomeGoals/XDGConfigFolders 21:24:45 <th_vdburgt> GIMP Maintainer Sven Neumann: http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/lists/gimp-developer/2008-February/019694.html 21:24:46 <th_vdburgt> Mozilla Firefox: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=259356 21:25:36 <th_vdburgt> I thought OpenTTD being such a active project it would be smart to also address this issue soon 21:25:39 <frosch123> ln-: no problem on swedish shopping tv though: http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=sKeOl0NVxtA 21:25:59 <rubyruy> man US set is HARSH... it's really hard to pull a proffit 21:26:08 <rubyruy> maybe it's a setting i'm using? :/ 21:26:16 <rubyruy> the running cost is HUGE 21:26:22 <frosch123> th_vdburgt: there are only two files in my .config dir 21:26:27 <frosch123> really, noone uses that 21:26:59 <rubyruy> only way i can pull a profit is super long trains with the cheapest engine using time-insensitive goods like coal :/ 21:27:08 <rubyruy> is there something about US Set + ECS maybe? 21:27:35 <rubyruy> like one is higher then average running cost and the other lower the usual pay rates? it seems a little TOO hard 21:27:58 <Eddi|zuHause> rubyruy: running costs might be off when loading multiple train sets 21:28:02 <Bjarni> <ln-> well, good to see you back amongst the healthy, in any case. <-- sort off.... I'm totally tired and I missed everything at uni this week 21:28:11 <rubyruy> just US set 21:28:21 <rubyruy> without the ECS 'fix' since the fix actually breaks things 21:28:34 <Rubidium> th_vdburgt: have you really read the things you've posted? 21:28:47 <Rubidium> GNOME: it's a proposal 21:28:57 <Rubidium> GIMP: it's a proposal without any follow-ups 21:29:12 <Rubidium> Firefox: it's a unclosed bugreport, i.e. it's not in Firefox 21:30:48 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-75-74-51-51.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:30:51 <Eddi|zuHause> is there a grf that adds food to the default buildings? 21:31:11 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't want to use TTRS 21:31:15 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 21:32:09 <frosch123> th_vdburgt: also the goal of the spec (i.e. simplifying backuping) does not apply to ottd. as you usually also want to backup your savegames, highscores and newgrfs 21:32:16 <th_vdburgt> Rubidium, I didn't say it was implemented ... yet. But I'm going to stop this discussion, I don't want any bad feelings. 21:36:26 <Eddi|zuHause> in soviet russia, you kill achmed :p 21:36:45 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 21:38:31 <Belugas> bye all 21:40:17 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@62.113.133.253] has joined #openttd 21:45:46 <Wolf01> Progman, nice patch, the next step will be "crash skyscraper" order? 21:45:46 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@62.113.133.253] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:46:36 <Progman> maybe "pass" isn't the right verb 21:48:05 <Progman> thats better? 21:48:18 <Wolf01> eheh 21:53:35 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77EFA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:53:55 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77EFA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:54:57 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ffd0e.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:56:00 *** |brot_scheibe| [~kvirc@p57AFCF8D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: , sources date: 20081011, built on: 2008/10/23 11:08:35 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/] 21:56:58 *** arachnid [~arachnid@clamps.notdot.net] has joined #openttd 21:57:46 <arachnid> Where is the 'share orders' button? I'm using a recent nightly, and I can't find it. 21:58:10 <Wolf01> it is in your keyboard 21:58:15 <Wolf01> ctrl 21:58:18 <Wolf01> :D 21:58:28 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@62.113.133.253] has joined #openttd 21:59:14 <ln-> Wolf01: btw, you don't need to say 'night, we can assume it implicitly. 21:59:42 <arachnid> Wolf01: Ah. The manual suggests there's a button for it. :) 21:59:51 <arachnid> Ctrl+Click the other train with the orders window open, or something else? 22:01:44 <glx> click "goto", ctrl-click vehicle to clone&share 22:02:42 <arachnid> Ah. Cheers. :) 22:03:24 <glx> you can also ctrl-click on "copy vehicle" to clone&share 22:03:53 <arachnid> Even easier. :) 22:04:47 <arachnid> Unrelated question: What are people using conditional orders for? Anything interesting? 22:06:04 <glx> I never used them personally 22:06:47 <arachnid> It seems like you ought to be able to construct routes that automatically load-balance (eg, passenger routes amongst a bunch of stations), but I can't think how to do it reliably 22:08:27 <dih> feeder systems 22:08:50 <dih> a train goes round in a loop and only stops at every station as long as the train's load is < 100% 22:10:07 <arachnid> hm 22:10:16 <arachnid> Doesn't work quite so well with a tree-based track layout, though. :) 22:10:50 <dih> another idea is when you use something like pbi 22:11:09 <dih> and your drop station's stock is full and the station no longer accepts that good 22:11:29 <dih> have another order after that drop and define that if load is < 100% skipp the order 22:11:39 <dih> the order skipped is an alternative dropp station 22:11:50 <arachnid> pbi? 22:12:43 <dih> pikka's basic industries 22:12:45 <dih> a grf 22:12:55 <arachnid> ah 22:14:32 <dih> if you have different speed trains sharing the same order you can sort them onto different lanes also 22:14:44 <arachnid> *nods* I considered that 22:14:45 <dih> using a one tile station (and go via) or a way point 22:14:55 <arachnid> Though presumably with load-balancing that's less of an issue? 22:15:16 <dih> say you upgrade from one loc to a faster loc 22:15:22 <dih> you have 90% upgraded 22:15:32 <dih> you transport from one end of the map to the other 22:15:39 <dih> and you have one steamer among the diesels 22:15:47 <arachnid> 'course, you'd need to update the thresholds as trains get faster. :) 22:16:01 <dih> shared orders! 22:16:07 <dih> change one order - all covered 22:16:10 <arachnid> yup 22:16:25 <arachnid> One order per unique route, though. :P 22:16:28 <Sacro> http://b3ta.com/links/Star_Wars_to_the_tunes_of_John_Williams 22:16:50 <dih> anyway - i am off to bed 22:16:51 <dih> night 22:17:01 <arachnid> Actually, you could create a set of waypoint stations at each entrance to the main line, categorised by speed 22:17:14 <arachnid> That sort onto a smaller set of tracks. Then you can change the routing instead of the orders :) 22:20:11 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77EFA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:20:36 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77EFA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:30:20 *** paul_ [~paul@host86-168-197-97.range86-168.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 22:32:24 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host86-168-197-97.range86-168.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:36:39 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77EFA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:37:08 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77EFA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:38:59 *** FloSoft [~sifldoer@g230003070.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: computer has gone to sleep] 22:40:07 <Wolf01> 'night 22:40:14 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host15-235-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:41:29 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 22:42:30 *** davis-- [~suckyours@p5B28F1F6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:44:11 *** th_vdburgt [~thvdburgt@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:46:44 *** fmauNeko [~fmauNeko@toulon.fr.clu.fmauneko.eu] has joined #openttd 22:46:51 <fmauNeko> hellp 22:46:57 <fmauNeko> hello* 22:47:39 <fmauNeko> does somebody already heard about a gamecube/wii port of openttd ? 22:48:00 <ln-> *did somebody already hear 22:48:18 <davis--> quit making nerdy correction flames? :3 22:48:34 <ln-> who? 22:49:27 <glx> fmauNeko: no 22:49:57 <gregor> will there be a http://openpandora.org/ port? :D 22:50:00 <fmauNeko> okay 22:50:46 <fmauNeko> gregor: arm under linux, should build without problems :p 22:52:16 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g228021122.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Rhabarberbarbarabarbarbarenbartbarbierbierbar] 22:52:17 *** welshdragon [~vista@87.102.18.182] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:53:31 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host86-168-197-97.range86-168.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 22:56:01 *** paul_ [~paul@host86-168-197-97.range86-168.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:58:24 *** rubyruy [~ruy@76-10-185-116.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Quit: Zzzz...] 22:59:41 *** paul_ [~paul@host86-168-197-97.range86-168.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 23:00:07 *** paul_ [~paul@host86-168-197-97.range86-168.btcentralplus.com] has quit [] 23:00:26 *** paul_ [~paul@host86-168-197-97.range86-168.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 23:00:32 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77EFA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:00:53 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77EFA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:01:25 *** Mark [~M4rk@5ED06875.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:05:21 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host86-168-197-97.range86-168.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:05:47 *** Char [~Ich@d213-103-141-107.cust.tele2.ch] has joined #openttd 23:05:48 *** Char2 [~Ich@d213-103-141-107.cust.tele2.ch] has joined #openttd 23:06:25 <ln-> @seen Bjarni 23:06:25 <DorpsGek> ln-: Bjarni was last seen in #openttd 1 hour, 38 minutes, and 22 seconds ago: <Bjarni> <ln-> well, good to see you back amongst the healthy, in any case. <-- sort off.... I'm totally tired and I missed everything at uni this week 23:10:02 <ln-> has someone tried writing stuff with CUDA? 23:12:46 <glx> my GPU is too old for it so I don't care :) 23:12:59 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-75-74-51-51.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 23:14:35 <ln-> it looks interesting 23:22:17 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5D392.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 23:28:27 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #openttd 23:33:41 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-26-69-27.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 23:37:40 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:44:16 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C9B5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:44:26 <Eddi|zuHause> <arachnid> Unrelated question: What are people using conditional orders for? Anything interesting? <- when trains have difficult paths to the depot, you can put an unconditional jump at the end of the regular order list, and instructions to get to the depot afterwards, then skip that order manually when you want to send the train to depot [or more automatically, with a "if needs service" jump] 23:45:11 <arachnid> Eddi|zuHause: cool 23:47:11 <Eddi|zuHause> you can use that same method to give a train in a shared order list special orders, without unsharing them 23:50:45 <Rubidium> you can also use conditional orders to autoreplace vehicles only when they have passed a certain age assuming you have breakdowns disabled and don't use overflow depots 23:52:41 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Quit: Operator, give me an exit] 23:52:42 *** welshdragon [~vista@87.102.18.182] has joined #openttd