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00:10:12 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:33:04 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B75DDC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:40:38 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77DB7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:42:11 *** Patrick [pitt2@pandora.retrosnub.co.uk] has joined #openttd 00:42:17 <Patrick> here's a worrying thing 00:42:36 <Patrick> in the real world, iron ore is turned into steel via the use of coke 00:42:41 <Eddi|zuHause2> yes, you are very worrying 00:42:45 <Patrick> i.e. a source of combustible carbon 00:43:03 <Patrick> in transport tycoon, blast furnaces instead consume ore and ... people 00:43:13 <glx> Patrick: try PBI 00:43:24 <Patrick> I did, couldn't get the hang of it 00:43:24 <Eddi|zuHause2> what he said 00:43:29 <Patrick> I think I remember enjoying it 00:43:36 <Patrick> I'm just saying, I won't send people to a firey death 00:44:04 <Eddi|zuHause2> "a railway consists of 5% iron and 95% people" 00:49:41 <Patrick> there's a grain of truth in that. 00:52:17 <china> http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/index.html 00:54:09 <vraa> ttd needs orbital transporting 01:04:17 <SmatZ> "Beam me up, Scotty!" 01:04:38 <china> 16.000mph right now. 01:15:04 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.182.51] has joined #openttd 01:16:17 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet633.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:22:18 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.186.173] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:29:31 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:35:08 <ccfreak2k> <Patrick> in transport tycoon, blast furnaces instead consume ore and ... people 01:35:15 <ccfreak2k> Are they really programmed to "consume" passengers? 01:36:05 <Patrick> yep 01:36:12 <benjamingoodger> gotta consume something 01:36:15 <Patrick> steel mills accept iron ore and passengers 01:39:48 <ln> it's especially suspicious if they produce less than consume. 01:41:19 <benjamingoodger> well 01:41:24 <benjamingoodger> I suppose if they're not accepting coal 01:41:38 <benjamingoodger> they have to burn some sort of carbon compound to generate carbon monoxide 01:41:44 <benjamingoodger> people are as good as anything... 01:43:13 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:45:47 <benjamingoodger> hmm 01:47:09 <benjamingoodger> it's 2C + O2 -> 2CO; CO + FeO -> Fe + CO2, isn't it? 01:52:26 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 02:19:47 *** benjamingoodger [~ben@host217-44-84-254.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: +++ Out Of Cheese Error +++] 02:21:12 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-182-7.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:29:42 <theholyduck> you need more than iron and heat to make steel though 02:29:57 <theholyduck> i SEEM to remember you need 10-20% FeSi 02:50:00 *** DASPRiD is now known as DASPRiD|off 02:50:52 *** Gekz [~brendan@pa58-109-162-105.pa.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 02:57:51 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:05:01 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 03:12:27 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Quit: ecke] 03:12:51 *** davis- [~suckyours@p5B28FCD2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:14:26 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:16:39 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 04:14:39 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g228012187.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Rhabarberbarbarabarbarbarenbartbarbierbierbar] 04:16:58 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks1.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: Quit] 04:17:43 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.182.51] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:40:50 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@pa58-109-130-211.pa.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 05:42:48 *** Gekz [~brendan@pa58-109-162-105.pa.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:52:45 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm40.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 06:34:02 *** vraa [~vraa@h191.182.30.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 06:35:00 *** vraa [~vraa@h191.182.30.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #openttd 06:39:13 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:45:48 *** FloSoft [~sifldoer@g229160195.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 07:16:54 *** theholyduck [~duckzorz@151.80-202-129.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:34:47 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:48:19 *** duckzor [~duckzorz@151.80-202-129.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 08:39:22 *** De_Ghosty [~s@206-248-191-211.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:39:31 *** De_Ghosty [~s@206-248-191-213.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 08:43:21 <Patrick> steel requires low carbon in fact 08:43:39 <Patrick> so after making iron, you bubble oxygen through it to remove the residual carbon 08:43:51 <Patrick> otherwise you get brittle cast iron 08:44:00 <Patrick> good for drain covers, not for buildings 08:49:45 <duckzor> Patrick, my point is still valid though. you need some sort of alloy material to make steel 08:49:54 <duckzor> and i know FeSi is used for that sort of thing 08:50:49 <duckzor> not to mention the biproduct of FeSi production is a dust used to make concrete stronger. 08:50:52 <duckzor> anyways 08:50:58 <Patrick> aye 08:51:09 <planetmaker> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steel <-- no Si. 08:52:15 <duckzor> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAE_steel_grades 08:52:19 <duckzor> plenty of si :P 08:52:27 <duckzor> i was way wrong on the %'age 08:53:01 <duckzor> 0.75%-1.5% si in steel :P 08:53:15 <duckzor> depending 08:53:39 <duckzor> for stainless that is 08:53:59 <Patrick> I imagine that's more of a tolerable or useful side-effect of mining iron ore from silicates 08:54:34 <planetmaker> stainless uses cromium. not silicon 08:54:53 <duckzor> planetmaker, stainless uses both :p 08:55:07 <duckzor> rather there is a percentage of silicon in stainless and any steel 08:55:33 <duckzor> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alloy_steel#Material_science 08:56:17 <planetmaker> you notice that your link doesn't support silicon as inclusion? 08:56:24 <duckzor> well i wasnt arguing for that 08:56:30 <duckzor> i dont want FeSi industries 08:56:38 <duckzor> it would be pointless 08:56:56 <duckzor> im just saying in the real world they use FeSi to make steel 08:57:50 <planetmaker> sure. 08:58:06 <planetmaker> it's all numb people who wrote those articles, I guess :P 08:59:04 <planetmaker> doesn't mean it cannot be done though 09:00:14 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 09:00:18 <duckzor> One metric ton of steel contains approximately 3-4 kilograms of FeSi, whereas one metric ton ot stainless steel contains approximately 20 kilograms of FeSi. Hence, we are always surrounded by products containing ferrosilicon. 09:00:30 <duckzor> and now lets discuss something intresting instead :P 09:09:20 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-120-188.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 09:09:36 *** M4rk [~M4rk@5ED06979.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 09:09:41 *** M4rk is now known as Mark 09:17:01 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host230-236-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 09:17:08 <Wolf01> hello 09:19:45 *** Gekz [~brendan@pa58-109-144-146.pa.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 09:21:43 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@pa58-109-130-211.pa.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:26:07 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C36F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:33:05 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@62.41.28.37] has quit [Quit: http://www.interplay.com/] 09:44:11 *** yorick [yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 09:56:00 *** Zorn [zorn@f054001004.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )] 10:02:45 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 10:03:27 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g228012187.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 10:04:09 *** ^valentino^ [~Azzurra@host213-126-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 10:05:57 *** ^valentino^ [~Azzurra@host213-126-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has left #openttd [] 10:09:03 *** Zorn [zorn@e177224233.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 10:10:19 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #openttd 10:22:02 *** Korenn [~kvirc@93-125-161-18.dsl.alice.nl] has joined #openttd 10:23:14 *** davis- [~suckyours@p5B28F2B3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:25:59 *** yorick [yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Poef!] 10:32:18 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5CD9C.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 10:42:19 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B84331.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:43:57 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80557.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:44:00 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 10:48:54 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 11:02:25 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 11:02:33 <Eddi|zuHause2> why does LaTeX turn ">" into a "¿"? 11:02:37 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 11:04:10 <Rubidium> because it assumes a spanish codepage? 11:04:12 <Gekz> it does? 11:04:13 <Gekz> lol 11:07:57 <Eddi|zuHause> \usepackage[utf8]{inputenc} 11:07:57 <Eddi|zuHause> \usepackage{ngerman} 11:08:07 <Eddi|zuHause> does not look like i'm telling it to use spanish :p 11:10:06 <Patrick> so, er, whereabouts is the autoreplace gui? I've used it before, I just lost it 11:10:33 <Eddi|zuHause> vehicle list -> manage list -> replace vehicles 11:11:44 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-a4fbe253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 11:12:11 <Patrick> bwaha! 11:12:12 <Patrick> cheers 11:12:38 <Patrick> I played the historical angle, now i have 50 kirby paul tanks 11:14:14 *** vvv444 [~vvv444@85-250-87-79.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #openttd 11:16:40 <Alberth> Eddi|zuHause: you should use > in math mode ( $>$ ) 11:17:10 <Gekz> I can't see a use for LaTeX 11:17:16 <Gekz> other than random typesetting 11:17:30 <Gekz> but why would you be typing > in it if it's not maths 11:17:51 <Eddi|zuHause> Alberth: can i override that somewhere, that i can leave out the $ $? 11:18:07 <Alberth> Gekz: that's why it is mapped to some (apparently) common spanish char 11:19:02 <Gekz> that's not a good reason either 11:19:04 <Gekz> lol 11:19:14 <Alberth> Eddi|zuHause: what do you use the char for? 11:20:00 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm writing a draft for my diploma thesis, and out of reflex i type stuff like "->" 11:20:15 <Alberth> Eddi|zuHause: $\rightarrow$ :) 11:20:27 <Eddi|zuHause> doesn't help with my reflexes :p 11:20:57 <Alberth> Eddi|zuHause: you can do a search/replace afterwards 11:23:21 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:25:49 <Alberth> Eddi|zuHause: To make > a normal character, you have to override default char code mappings. I have no idea how unfortunately. You'll have to read the TeX book by Knuth. 11:26:40 <Gekz> write an Eddi keymap 11:27:23 <Alberth> Well, I once had a system with a programmable keyboard, there you simply remap > to $>$ in the keyboard :) 11:28:31 <Gekz> lol. 11:29:18 <Zuu> That would be a bit anoying if you would write > for any other reason than typing it in LaTeX. 11:29:36 <Zuu> Other than if you put the macro on some other key than the usual place ofcourse. 11:31:09 <Zuu> I could eaisily just put it on shift + any number, so it won't override any existing stuff (I don't have anything on shift+ number). Normal Qwerty-folks could put it on Alt Gr + any letter. 11:31:45 <Patrick> Zuu: what about ... punctuation? 11:32:13 <Zuu> Patrick: What punctuation? 11:32:30 <Patrick> ah, ok, you're on a non-thingy keyboard 11:33:25 <Zuu> Patrick: http://aoeu.info/s/dvorak/images/svorak-A5.png 11:34:56 <Eddi|zuHause> AltGr+letter has some @ÅÅÄħ¶â¬Å§ stuff predefined here :p 11:35:25 <Zuu> And how often do you use them? 11:35:41 <Eddi|zuHause> i'd rather have greek letters there 11:35:56 <Eddi|zuHause> but i haven't got around to modifying the keymap 11:35:57 <Alberth> Eddi|zuHause: yeah, I was also thinking that 11:46:19 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i59F5CD9C.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 11:51:50 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5CD9C.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:56:15 <Patrick> I use alpha and beta lot 11:57:20 <Eddi|zuHause> i'll be using \lambda and \epsilon a lot 11:57:35 <Eddi|zuHause> or rather, \varepsilon 12:06:41 *** billy6 [~billy5@p54B578B5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:06:54 <billy6> hi! 12:07:12 *** vvv444 [~vvv444@85-250-87-79.bb.netvision.net.il] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:08:38 <billy6> are there any programmers? 12:08:56 <SmatZ> batti5? 12:09:34 <dihedral> billy6, what is your real question? 12:09:35 <billy6> who is batti5? 12:09:53 <SmatZ> someone with similiar nick to your :-P 12:10:58 <dihedral> @seen batty5 12:10:58 <DorpsGek> dihedral: I have not seen batty5. 12:11:02 <dihedral> @seen batti5 12:11:02 <DorpsGek> dihedral: batti5 was last seen in #openttd 1 week, 1 day, 19 hours, 29 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: <Batti5> a talking program? 12:11:32 <billy6> no, sry, I'm not batti5... if i wanted to write an opengl program, which needs data from openttd to draw the landscape, how would i do it? 12:12:43 <dihedral> there is an opengl thread in the forums 12:13:32 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80557.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:13:32 <billy6> how do i find it? 12:13:49 <Zuu> try searching for opengl in general openttd forum. 12:14:11 <Zuu> could be devforum or suggestions forum too. 12:14:40 <dihedral> tt-forums does have a search function 12:14:46 <dihedral> and there is still google 12:14:54 *** Mortal is now known as Guest3368 12:14:56 *** mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 12:15:07 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B803C3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:15:10 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 12:20:20 *** Guest3368 [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:20:55 *** Antdovu [~Otinn@vpn2-030.vpn.net.ed.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 12:27:28 <billy6> ok, thank you very much, i think i found something 12:29:54 <dihedral> well done 12:39:33 *** vvv444 [~vvv444@85-250-87-79.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #openttd 12:42:39 <ln> hello dihedral 12:43:01 <dihedral> hello ln 12:49:59 <duckzor> hmm 12:50:07 <duckzor> this small airport thingy is starting to annoy me 12:50:53 * duckzor starts a new 3d model to do while hes being cross with the airpot 12:50:58 <duckzor> *airport 12:51:05 *** duckzor is now known as theholyduck 12:51:43 *** vvv444 [~vvv444@85-250-87-79.bb.netvision.net.il] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:02:48 <Antdovu> you know you code too much when you wake up in the morning and think that your room is a .cpp file and your bed is a particular function... 13:02:59 <SmatZ> hahaha 13:03:32 <Antdovu> fortunately my nightmares don't include any segmentation faults 13:03:39 <Antdovu> at least I don't remember any... 13:03:50 <SmatZ> when I played TTD a lot, I had dreams about it, and saw squared world (like - bed has 3 squares, table 2 squares, ...) 13:03:53 <SmatZ> weird 13:03:56 <SmatZ> hehe 13:04:49 <Antdovu> yeah, I used to try different combinations of tracks in my head without wanting to think about it 13:05:14 <SmatZ> :-) 13:07:26 <theholyduck> whenever i've been modeling alot 13:07:32 <theholyduck> and do something i dont wanna do 13:07:32 <Zuu> I've only dreamed about enhancing railway junctions :) 13:07:41 <theholyduck> i instinctivly do ctrl+z 13:07:47 <theholyduck> even in thin air 13:07:54 <SmatZ> :-D 13:08:12 <Alberth> I once bicycled home, and while thinking about a problem at work, turned left one street too early. At the moment I realized it, I thought 'hmm, this is the wrong sub-directory' :) 13:08:41 <theholyduck> i cant decide WHAT i wanna model for the 32bpp project :P 13:08:54 <theholyduck> all the really good stuff is either airports. wich im currently bored of 13:09:01 <theholyduck> or taken :P 13:09:04 <Patrick> Alberth: did you instinctively try to punch backspace or type "cd .." 13:09:27 <Patrick> I got called on something like that once, I was trying to see something far away and my pinkie twitched as if I was going to press "z" 13:09:39 <Alberth> Patrick: no, I thought, he this thing has a backdoor to the right street 13:10:03 <Patrick> hah 13:11:10 <Alberth> and I thought a while how that would map to real FS directory structure :P 13:11:49 *** vvv444 [~vvv444@85-250-87-79.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #openttd 13:14:11 <Zuu> Last weird dream was about enhancing the luggage system at our major airport, after having been there at a study visit there with a class in air traffic planing I am taking. Quite impressive sytem actually. 13:15:53 <SmatZ> :) 13:16:41 <SmatZ> joins before split are cause of jams 13:16:54 <SmatZ> every day I travel by bus I see examples of that 13:17:13 <SmatZ> if the designers played TTD, they knew this has to be avoided 13:17:18 <theholyduck> SmatZ, well sure. 13:17:24 <theholyduck> but the problem with cities 13:17:27 <theholyduck> is that once they are built 13:17:29 <Zuu> For luggage that does not have an exit open they store the luggage downstairs in a luggage hotel, all automatic. :) 13:17:32 <theholyduck> you need a good war to rearange the streets 13:18:00 <SmatZ> theholyduck: I was kidding a bit ;) also, you are money-limited :) 13:18:33 <theholyduck> SmatZ, just enforce communism for a bit. declare war on your neighbours. have them bomb your cities and then force your people into building better city layouts 13:18:53 <theholyduck> though a bit elaborate just to speed up bus travel 13:19:09 <SmatZ> theholyduck: well, even during communism this wasn't possible :-P 13:19:24 <theholyduck> SmatZ, well alternative nr2. 13:19:32 <theholyduck> invade all the worlds third world countries 13:19:35 <theholyduck> and reimplent slavery 13:19:48 <theholyduck> free labour! 13:19:58 <SmatZ> I don't think there was ever slavery :) 13:20:20 <Prof_Frink> Alberth: A backdoor to another directory? That'd be a symlink. 13:20:41 <theholyduck> nothing is impossible as long as you got determination. strenght and a endless supply of expendable labor! 13:20:49 <theholyduck> SmatZ, and what do you mean. there was no slavery? 13:21:02 <theholyduck> there ALWAYS was slavery 13:22:06 <Alberth> Prof_Frink: not really, symlinks still follows the dir structure. I think you'd end up with a graph, like a set of Wiki pages (although at the time I had never seen a Wiki). 13:22:07 <theholyduck> everyone did it :D 13:22:22 <SmatZ> true :) 13:22:43 <Antdovu> everyone knows that you can use slavery to turn population into hammers but not beakers. 13:23:11 <theholyduck> hmm 13:23:17 <theholyduck> maybe i should model a airplane :P 13:23:33 <Antdovu> a unicorn! 13:23:45 <theholyduck> Antdovu, well 32bpp doesnt really ned unicorns 13:23:50 <theholyduck> *need 13:23:54 <Antdovu> why not? 13:24:07 <theholyduck> well last time i checked there wasnt any unicorns in the original ttd? 13:24:15 <theholyduck> i MAY be wrong 13:24:18 <theholyduck> or in openttd 13:24:22 <Antdovu> it's a feature request 13:24:26 <theholyduck> so why would 32bpp openttd need it? 13:24:27 * SmatZ wonders if "Slavic people" have something to do with "being slaves" 13:24:40 <Antdovu> there weren't any trams either, were there? ;) 13:24:49 <theholyduck> Antdovu, well trams are USEFULL 13:24:58 <theholyduck> im all for the implementation of the invisible pink unicorn thouhg 13:25:01 <Antdovu> so are unicorns 13:25:14 <theholyduck> but since its allready there 13:25:22 <Antdovu> ok, let's merge the ideas 13:25:28 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet729.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 13:25:33 <Antdovu> a flying unicorn 13:25:45 <Eddi|zuHause> i think my head is exploding... 13:26:00 <theholyduck> Eddi|zuHause, cut the blue wire! 13:26:04 <Antdovu> that's work, right? 13:26:06 <theholyduck> or was it the red one? 13:26:06 <Alberth> fairy-tale land! 13:26:23 <theholyduck> just cut the bugger! 13:26:23 <Antdovu> unicorns are real 13:26:46 <Zuu> Could possible tak 2 pax. 13:26:50 <Zuu> take* 13:27:25 <Alberth> and castles as cities 13:27:52 <Antdovu> more than 2 if we consider it a Trojan unicorn 13:29:28 <Antdovu> ok, I'll stop with the unicorns for a few hours :) 13:30:21 <theholyduck> the vickers is the coolest one with no model 13:30:26 <theholyduck> pluss everyone loves the vickers 13:30:32 <theholyduck> thus finding some good reference should be easy 13:31:56 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:32:14 <Antdovu> http://images.google.co.uk/images?hl=en&q=vickers&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi 13:32:39 <theholyduck> actually there is a webpage that has like 3k pics of vickers 13:32:39 * vvv444 wonders why Arctic climate has no oil rigs 13:33:00 <theholyduck> i took vickers nr1 13:33:05 <theholyduck> the first one they made 13:33:15 <theholyduck> 27 pics of just that one 13:33:31 <theholyduck> perfect side and front shots even 13:47:29 *** yorick [~yorick@82-171-205-190.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 13:47:50 <yorick> the PACKET_SERVER_COMMAND should always end with a bool, right? 14:01:43 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-180-55.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 14:03:15 <yorick> 00020411100000000000000000817c000000003803000008 <-- this is the content, but I can't understand it... 14:03:36 <planetmaker> hm.... is there a limit on the number of grfs the grf selection dialogue can handle? 14:06:46 <Antdovu> yes 14:06:55 <Antdovu> there definitely is :P 14:07:42 <Antdovu> I just don't know a reasonable upper bound 14:08:43 * Rubidium would vote for something around 600 ;) 14:09:45 <Antdovu> looking at code isn't fair :P 14:09:55 <yorick> it seems to be company 0, cmd 269550594(&0xFF), p1 0, p2 0, tile 31873, text '', callback 0, frame 824, my_cmd 8? 14:10:07 <Rubidium> Antdovu: I'm not looking at code 14:10:26 <Rubidium> if I would've done that I'd've said that the limit is around 65536 14:11:00 <Rubidium> the 600 is merely the number of "notable" NewGRFs 14:11:08 <yorick> anything until p2 seems to make sense 14:11:53 <Ammler> Rubidium: do you have faster connection now? 14:12:18 <Ammler> would be really happy about such a list :-) 14:16:28 <Rubidium> http://paste.openttd.org/176674 14:18:37 <Patrick> what rev number are we up to now? 14:19:32 <yorick> @list openttd 14:19:32 <DorpsGek> yorick: bug, bugs, changed, commit, download, grf, grfs, info, port, ports, propset, servers, svn, thelog, and youngest 14:19:40 <yorick> @openttd youngest 14:19:40 <DorpsGek> yorick: latest: r14578 14:19:58 <Patrick> niiice3 14:20:18 <Patrick> it was 3000 the last time I did any work on it :P 14:21:27 <planetmaker> [15:08] * Rubidium would vote for something around 600 ;) <-- because not all were displayed after I added two full versions of our grf pack :) 14:21:37 <planetmaker> it ended somewhere around entries starting with 's' 14:22:33 <Rubidium> I don't know of any restriction 14:24:56 <planetmaker> I'll have a closer look :) 14:28:27 *** xerxesdaphat [~tom@118-92-61-197.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:29:37 <yorick> http://paste.openttd.org/176676 <-- all grfs used somewhere in multiplayer 14:29:57 <planetmaker> hm... cannot reproduce it. 14:31:02 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B75DDC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:31:06 <Ammler> thanks Rubidium 14:31:06 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75DDC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Write error: connection closed] 14:31:06 *** bleepy [bleepy@5adad485.bb.sky.com] has quit [Write error: connection closed] 14:31:36 *** bleepy [bleepy@5adad485.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 14:33:35 <planetmaker> maybe I was just too stupid to scrol 14:34:05 *** DASPRiD|off is now known as DASPRiD 14:35:36 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 14:36:08 <Ammler> GTS should not count as NewGRF 14:36:30 <petern> gts? 14:36:35 <Ammler> generic tram set 14:36:53 <petern> why not? 14:37:33 <Ammler> it was distributed with ottd and it is used on many servers alon. 14:37:51 <yorick> it is only distributed on stable releases 14:37:55 <petern> ... 14:38:04 <Ammler> ah well.. nvm. 14:38:09 <petern> it's a newgrf 14:38:14 <Ammler> of course it is. 14:38:16 <petern> of course it 'counts as newgrf' 14:38:26 <Ammler> I agree :-) 14:38:41 <yorick> servers with only GTS should not count as GRF-enabled server... 14:39:18 <Ammler> yorick: nice said. 14:39:37 <petern> nicely 14:39:41 <petern> but you're wrong 14:39:47 <Patrick> if you have a version of ottd that is capable of joining a server using GTS, then it can load GTS 14:39:59 <Patrick> but that's no guarantee 14:40:15 <Ammler> petern: why? 14:41:47 <Ammler> ah, forget it, it is ok. It was just a "wild" thought. No worth to discuss about. 14:42:46 <yorick> could anyone help me with the command problem? 14:44:47 *** vvv444 [~vvv444@85-250-87-79.bb.netvision.net.il] has quit [] 14:47:10 <Patrick> Ammler: it's a thought 14:49:01 <Ammler> Patrick: that was for peter 14:50:29 <Ammler> my thought had nothing to do with technical things, it was just statistics 14:51:10 <Ammler> GTS is like openttd[w|d].grf 14:52:50 <Ammler> (to be fair to other tram grfs) 14:58:18 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks1.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 14:59:50 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm40.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:09:07 *** Gekz [~brendan@pa58-109-144-146.pa.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:15:09 *** th1ngwath [~thingwath@comp55-12.vpn.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 15:16:25 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm40.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 15:17:52 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 15:17:55 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 15:20:25 *** thingwath [~thingwath@88.83.164.57] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:21:42 <yorick> could anyone help me? 15:21:56 <welshdragon> with what? 15:22:13 <welshdragon> if you'll help me :) 15:22:21 <yorick> with my failure to understand the network protocol in case of the PACKET_SERVER_COMMAND 15:22:28 <yorick> and what's your problem? 15:23:15 <welshdragon> my query is if i put an entry presignal before a junction, will the junction be kept clear until there's a path? 15:23:34 <welshdragon> alas, i can't help you with yoyr problem 15:27:07 *** Killer11 [~Killer11@82-135-222-146.static.zebra.lt] has joined #openttd 15:31:59 *** theholyduck [~duckzorz@151.80-202-129.nextgentel.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:35:04 *** FR^2 [frr@oscar.frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 15:39:39 <Eddi|zuHause> welshdragon: entry signals are not path signals 15:40:00 <welshdragon> hmm 15:40:12 <welshdragon> i just need to keep some junctions clear 15:40:32 <Eddi|zuHause> the old block signals don't care about paths, they check wether the block is clear 15:41:30 <Eddi|zuHause> with block signals, you use entry and exit signals to keep the junction clear, with path signals, you place only a signal at the entrance, and at the exit you leave 1 train length space before the next signal 15:44:38 <welshdragon> hokay 15:45:14 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 15:45:56 <Eddi|zuHause> note that entrance and exit block signals are meant for very simple junctions, they fail when the junctions get too complex 15:56:00 <welshdragon> i have a flat crossover junction that's all, i just wondered if a entry signal would keep it clear 15:59:11 *** billy6 [~billy5@p54B578B5.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 16:06:17 *** Zorn [zorn@e177224233.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:06:23 *** Zorn [zorn@e177224233.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 16:07:20 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@f051075091.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 16:07:20 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g228012187.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:07:20 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 16:09:59 <Eddi|zuHause> entry signals do nothing special if you don't have matching exit signals 16:19:52 <Wolf01> bbl 16:19:58 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host230-236-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 16:27:05 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet729.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:28:55 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@f051075091.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 16:28:55 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051075091.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:28:55 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 16:35:00 <ln> http://www.airliners.net/photo/AmeriJet-International/Boeing-727-2F9-Adv(F)/1350435/L/ 16:37:43 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 16:39:57 <ln> dunno if i'd want to drive a van on that road: http://www.airliners.net/photo/Roblex-Aviation/Short-360/1350838/L/ 16:49:47 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.182.51] has joined #openttd 16:55:11 <yorick> why does CmdMoneyCheat have a special networking check, as it is already a CMD_OFFLINE command? 16:59:33 <Aali> may be old code 16:59:36 *** Avdg [~kvirc@78-21-56-40.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:00:10 <Antdovu> maybe it stops it from working if I modify my client? 17:00:23 <Antdovu> (didn't look at the code) 17:00:28 <yorick> Antdovu, no, CMD_OFFLINE does that already 17:00:40 <yorick> but it does stop it from working if I modify my server 17:00:55 <yorick> which stops me from being a good control-freak 17:01:40 <Antdovu> anyway, that double check probably doesn't matter much in terms of performance 17:01:59 <Antdovu> not that having less code would be a bad idea 17:02:09 <Eddi|zuHause> i want my cheats to be ultra performant!! 17:02:28 <Eddi|zuHause> i click on them 1 million times per second! 17:02:38 <yorick> (I do sometimes) 17:03:32 <yorick> just a simple 1-million-times-per-second-button-clicker to give me the huge amount of money needed for copy-pasting a 2048x2048 map 17:03:42 <Eddi|zuHause> so you basically want to cheat yourself on the server, but not allow anyone else to cheat 17:04:22 <Eddi|zuHause> you could just add a few 0 to the code and then recompile :p 17:05:10 <yorick> no, I would like to allow multiple persons to cheat, in case other people like to flood the map 17:05:37 <yorick> so I can restore it with a small copy-paste without losing and player properties that might be on the map 17:06:55 <Eddi|zuHause> err... right... 17:06:59 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051075091.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:07:02 <yorick> and to restore minor landscape terraforming ( hills that get flattened) 17:07:12 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051075091.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 17:07:21 <Eddi|zuHause> so you really want a hot-replace-saveload 17:07:34 <yorick> I already have that, it just needs a lot of mony 17:07:37 <yorick> e* 17:08:31 <Eddi|zuHause> what if you instead add a no-money-flag or auto-restore-money to the copy paste (terraforming) routines? 17:08:42 *** Killer11 [~Killer11@82-135-222-146.static.zebra.lt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:08:58 <Eddi|zuHause> like some versions of autoreplace add some virtual money to play with, before doing the actual autoreplace 17:08:59 <yorick> then it wouldn't be really network compatible, would it 17:09:17 <Eddi|zuHause> why? the commands are run on all clients 17:09:28 <Eddi|zuHause> just have to ensure that hacked clients cannot cheat that way 17:10:04 <yorick> the hacks we use to run the server with some people godlike mode wouldn't get into openttd anyway 17:10:26 <Eddi|zuHause> or that you only publish the hacked version to the people you trust ;) 17:11:03 <yorick> the changes you suggest would require all clients to be patched 17:11:33 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, that might be necessary, indeed 17:11:57 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@f051075091.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 17:12:04 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051075091.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:12:04 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 17:12:41 <yorick> just the double-check removed, and it'd work 17:12:46 <Eddi|zuHause> i do remember a while back that people requested/wrote a patch to change the money transfer routines to generate money from a null-soruce 17:13:23 <yorick> autocleaned companies could be the null-source 17:14:09 <yorick> they have about max_money/2 :p 17:14:27 <Patrick> huh? 17:14:35 <yorick> huhhuh? 17:15:53 <Patrick> mmm, money 17:18:35 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 17:28:05 *** eht [~the@132.208.165.65] has joined #openttd 17:30:17 <eht> HELLO ALLZ!!! 17:30:35 <Aali> No. 17:31:04 <dihedral> stop yelling! 17:31:22 <Eddi|zuHause> it must really suck if they misspell your name that badly, Aali ;) 17:31:31 <dihedral> LOL 17:32:00 <Eddi|zuHause> well, i->y, y->z, aal->all ;) 17:32:14 <Aali> Eddi|zuHause: i didn't really look at it that way, but sure 17:32:49 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i59F5CD9C.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 17:33:01 <Avdg> are some people ready to think, cause i maybe a very difficult treath 17:33:05 <ln> HELLO EHT 17:33:15 <Aali> great, spambots 17:33:28 <ln> err, a spambot 17:33:38 <Eddi|zuHause> one?? thousands!! 17:33:47 <ln> so true 17:34:07 <Avdg> :/ spambot at me... 17:34:19 <Avdg> should i give the nicks... 17:34:49 <Avdg> aaa, alehyx, andyBot,... 17:35:26 <Avdg> all saying http://pxyBNC.tk 17:36:03 <Avdg> !help :/ 17:36:03 *** Avdg was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [Wrong channel. Retry in #openttdcoop.] 17:36:03 *** Avdg [~kvirc@78-21-56-40.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:36:23 <Avdg> ??? 17:36:56 <Avdg> its not fun... 17:37:53 *** The_Sex_Is_On_Fire [~Booth{wor@82-32-210-243.cable.ubr07.newt.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:37:59 <The_Sex_Is_On_Fire> hello 17:38:04 *** The_Sex_Is_On_Fire is now known as Booth 17:38:07 <Booth> hello 17:38:23 <Eddi|zuHause> common typo :p 17:38:27 <ln> another bot Booth? 17:38:28 *** eht [~the@132.208.165.65] has quit [autokilled: Spamming. Contact support@oftc.net for further information and assistance. (2008-11-15 17:38:45)] 17:39:08 <Booth> i am not a bor 17:39:09 <Booth> bot 17:39:17 <Antdovu> I am a bot 17:39:28 <Booth> i am an android 17:39:28 <Avdg> :p 17:40:32 <Avdg> why is this happends so often the last year :/ 17:40:58 <Eddi|zuHause> this what happened? 17:41:31 <Avdg> already saw joinspamming... but not this personal attack :/ 17:42:37 <Eddi|zuHause> btw, did anybody click on that link, and find out how dangerous it is? 17:42:41 <Avdg> i've started a topic on forum... but its realy for the openttd coders... 17:43:42 <Antdovu> it's some mirc bs 17:43:48 <Avdg> :/ 17:44:03 * Avdg hate mirc 17:44:14 <Avdg> kvirc is better :p 17:44:17 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host121-194-dynamic.58-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 17:44:59 <Antdovu> I use pidgin, it sucks 17:45:08 <Avdg> ^^ 17:45:50 <Patrick> no matter how dilligently I service my oil wells, they still dry up 17:46:14 <Patrick> is it malice? 17:46:23 <Antdovu> it is a personal attack on you 17:46:49 <Eddi|zuHause> oil wells do never increase production, and close after 1980 17:46:55 <Eddi|zuHause> use oil rigs instead 17:46:59 <Patrick> it's 1943 17:47:08 <Avdg> i am happy: kvirc has an option, close all queries :D 17:47:22 <dihedral> Antdovu, xchat and irssi ;-) 17:47:39 <Antdovu> what are those? 17:47:50 <Avdg> irc-programs 17:48:18 <Avdg> hum... im making an example for my topic :p 17:48:58 <Antdovu> for some reason I don't like adding programs 17:49:19 <Antdovu> and my current IRC client already works, just somehwta annoyingly :P 17:50:04 <Antdovu> no idea how I managed type that permutation 17:51:48 <Avdg> i am minimalising with programs atm... only trouble... the best programs are mostly heavy and slow programs 17:52:32 <Aali> for some values of best 17:52:56 <Patrick> I built my economy on OIL! 17:52:57 <Patrick> gah 17:53:04 <Patrick> back to the start 17:53:13 <Patrick> bwaha, I love the challenge 17:53:46 <Eddi|zuHause> well, clearly, "windows" and "word" are definitely "best" 17:54:41 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm40.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:54:43 <Zuu> Well, word is not that power hungry. But try make a heavy regex-search in word with ViEmu. :-) 17:54:55 <Antdovu> I have linux on dual boot but I rarely use it because vista takes ages to boot 17:55:21 <Aali> Antdovu: then dont boot vista ;) 17:55:21 <Antdovu> and I am too lazy to install the complete stack of necessary programs on linux 17:55:53 <Zuu> Antdovu: Why do don't use Linux beacues vista boots slow?? 17:56:05 <Antdovu> (5:55:12 PM) Antdovu: and I am too lazy to install the complete stack of necessary programs on linux 17:56:29 <Eddi|zuHause> i have specifically decided against dual boot when i switched to linux 17:56:35 <Aali> well, you could replace vista with something lighter, like XP 17:56:41 <Eddi|zuHause> kind of like ditch into the cold water 17:56:47 <Antdovu> no games on linux ;) 17:56:56 <Antdovu> tuxracer doesn't count 17:56:56 <Eddi|zuHause> plenty of games on linux 17:57:04 <Eddi|zuHause> openttd ;) 17:57:13 <Antdovu> what's that? never heard of it 17:57:15 <Eddi|zuHause> i even got civ4 running on wine 17:57:32 <Eddi|zuHause> i later did install a windows, for lan parties etc. 17:57:35 <Antdovu> interesting that you'd say that 17:57:43 <Zuu> Dual boot sucks. But both systems have their strengths that are hard to live without. 17:57:52 <Antdovu> I have a BTS game in the background at the moment :P 17:58:10 <Eddi|zuHause> but i boot into the windows only like once or twice a year 17:58:41 <Eddi|zuHause> yes... civ is... very addictive... 17:58:42 <Aali> its easier when you have two computers, one windows, the other linux ;) 17:59:09 <Antdovu> well, I am often in the computer lab with my laptop, plenty of extra computers to use :P 17:59:13 <Zuu> Eddi|zuHause: So you never watch TV or movies on demand? 17:59:18 * Rubidium wonders what was the last time he needed Windows 17:59:38 <Eddi|zuHause> i always watch TV, that's what i have kaffeine for... 17:59:40 <Antdovu> most run linux 18:00:06 <Eddi|zuHause> and certain definitions of "movies on demand" ;) 18:00:28 <Antdovu> bt? 18:00:33 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't have the bandwidth for any kind of streaming video 18:00:50 * Rubidium knows that the last time there was Windows on one of my computers is roughly 4.5 years ago, which is due to it being preinstalled on my laptop 18:00:59 <Eddi|zuHause> even youtube is hardly possible 18:01:22 <Rubidium> youtube works fine 18:01:35 <Eddi|zuHause> i mean bandwidth-wise 18:01:47 <Rubidium> just download the .flvs and run them in mplayer ;) 18:02:05 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, something like that ;) 18:02:24 <Rubidium> gives you much more, better and quicker control over the playback 18:02:52 <yorick> (repeat) why does CmdMoneyCheat have a special networking check, as it is already a CMD_OFFLINE command? 18:03:28 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, i hate those embedded flash players 18:03:30 <Avdg> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=40503&p=743977#p743977 <- my suggestion 18:03:46 <Avdg> but it will be a bad idea i guess 18:04:10 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-120-188.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 18:04:34 <Eddi|zuHause> what are the odds of something good coming out of the suggestions forum? :p 18:04:59 <Patrick> nothing 18:05:02 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: near 0 as it's such utter crap that I don't even spend time reading it 18:05:14 <Aali> Avdg: is the MASSIVE rewrite worth it? 18:05:24 <Avdg> dont know 18:05:26 <DaleStan> Epsilon. That or delta; I can never remember which is which. 18:05:31 <Aali> oh and YAPF already works with segments, much like you've illustrated 18:05:35 <Avdg> im new on english forum :p 18:05:55 <Patrick> Rubidium: perhaps if you changed to a 3d engine and introduced shooter/RPG elements 18:06:07 <Avdg> close that topic if it doesnt make sense :p 18:06:29 <Patrick> Avdg: end of the day, the pathfinder isn't the bottleneck 18:06:32 <Patrick> it's the rendering 18:06:37 <Eddi|zuHause> Avdg: maybe you should talk to Tekky, he has played around a bit with alternate ways of reservations 18:06:53 <Aali> Patrick: rendering doesn't bog down servers though 18:07:01 <Avdg> I am learning C++ by reading the code... 18:07:11 <Eddi|zuHause> especially multiple types of reservation on the same tile (strong/weak/etc.) 18:07:15 <Avdg> so i think that will say enough 18:07:52 <Avdg> i am thinking on reservations like rl 18:07:58 <Eddi|zuHause> what is the main bottleneck of PBS, though, is the repeated reservation attempts when waiting on a red signal 18:08:02 <Avdg> but that will be hard :p 18:08:11 <Avdg> hum... 18:08:14 <Aali> "fixing" ship pathfinding might be a better idea 18:08:19 <Aali> quite difficult, though 18:08:31 <Patrick> lemme guess 18:08:37 <Patrick> adding one ship makes the game slow down? 18:09:00 <Avdg> no, long distance between buoys slows down... 18:09:12 <Aali> nah, the old pathfinder performs okay, but thats because its not really doing much pathfinding 18:09:18 <Aali> so you have to place bouys 18:10:49 <Eddi|zuHause> well, suggestion for buoys, since we already have boost/bgl in cargodest, build up a graph of all buoys, and statically store the path between any two (adjacent) buoys 18:11:17 <Eddi|zuHause> then ship pathfinding only has to care about which buoys to pass 18:11:40 <Aali> you shouldn't *need* bouys though 18:11:42 <Eddi|zuHause> placing a buoy or modifying territory might be expensive, though 18:11:49 <Aali> the pathfinder should be able to manage without them 18:11:59 <Avdg> should there be a new event at pbs... if an train left a cross or signal, that the pbs should check it again 18:12:09 <Avdg> that other trains can reserve 18:12:20 *** Booth [~Booth{wor@82-32-210-243.cable.ubr07.newt.blueyonder.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 18:12:26 <Eddi|zuHause> Avdg: yes, listener pattern, but where to store? 18:12:41 <Avdg> :/ 18:12:46 <Avdg> new vars? 18:12:54 <Eddi|zuHause> you can't store it in the map array 18:13:07 <Avdg> it doesnt need... 18:13:10 <Eddi|zuHause> so you need some kind of reservation pool 18:13:23 <Avdg> pool? 18:13:41 <Eddi|zuHause> "pool" is ottd's version of a dynamic array 18:13:50 <Avdg> ow :p 18:13:54 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 18:14:15 <Eddi|zuHause> there's a station pool, a vehicle pool, an industry pool, etc. 18:14:17 <Avdg> that the game make it in begin, it will take some more loading time... 18:14:36 <Avdg> wait a bit... 18:14:53 <Avdg> its just an event 18:15:31 *** yorick [~yorick@82-171-205-190.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:15:33 <Avdg> so if a train left a special item... (entered station, left signal, jucntion, ...) it should find the pbssignals... 18:15:50 <Avdg> and ask 1 of the pbssignal to calculate... 18:15:52 *** yorick [~yorick@82-171-205-190.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 18:16:11 <Aali> sounds like a small improvement over the current situation 18:16:15 <Avdg> but i dont know how the pbs choose his signal to calculate 18:16:17 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but you must consider that this must be faster than the train recalculating the path every tick 18:16:20 <Aali> you still have to start over every time 18:16:44 <Eddi|zuHause> and the possibly affected PBS signals may be much larger 18:16:53 <Eddi|zuHause> it needs a reverse pathfinder 18:16:58 <Avdg> that pathfinders can tell wich exit he may not take... 18:17:07 <Eddi|zuHause> you need all signals that can lead to this tile 18:17:28 <Eddi|zuHause> whereas trains only reuse the existing pathfinder 18:17:51 <Eddi|zuHause> which has an additional return value if it crossed an existing reservation 18:18:01 <Avdg> so he can skip when the trains where the cleared junction is only that one he cant take 18:18:08 <Eddi|zuHause> and then sets the signal to red 18:18:13 <Eddi|zuHause> or rather, to not green 18:18:55 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has quit [Quit: http://www.interplay.com/] 18:19:50 <Avdg> i was actually thinking on an other way to unreservate... 18:20:46 <Avdg> hum... 18:20:53 * Avdg reading the source 18:22:10 <Avdg> isnt there any svn system in the microsoft c++ editor? 18:23:23 <Avdg> brb 18:28:23 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 18:28:52 <Avdg> k 18:28:56 <Avdg> :/ eating 18:29:05 * Avdg hongry 18:31:47 <davis-> did you mean horny? @google 18:34:32 *** FR^2 [frr@oscar.frquadrat.de] has quit [Quit: Connection reset by caffein depletion...] 18:35:24 *** mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:39:20 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:43:18 *** DASPRiD is now known as DASPRiD|off 18:44:01 *** DASPRiD|off is now known as DASPRiD 18:47:00 <Avdg> back 18:47:02 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 18:49:31 *** rortom [~rortom_@5aca97b0.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 18:58:34 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 19:00:14 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 19:00:40 <ln> i press "bj<tab>" and nothing happens 19:01:04 <rortom> hi 19:01:08 *** mortal`` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 19:07:20 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:07:31 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.4/2008102920]] 19:08:24 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 19:08:37 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:10:13 <Eddi|zuHause> ln: there must be a conspiracy 19:10:29 <petern> @seen bjarni 19:10:29 <DorpsGek> petern: bjarni was last seen in #openttd 1 week, 0 days, 21 hours, 42 minutes, and 43 seconds ago: <Bjarni> <ln-> well, good to see you back amongst the healthy, in any case. <-- sort off.... I'm totally tired and I missed everything at uni this week 19:14:55 *** mortal`` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:21:17 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 19:23:32 *** Lord_Vider [~egliolter@87.252.227.41] has joined #openttd 19:23:35 <Lord_Vider> hi 19:23:46 <Lord_Vider> is anybody alive? 19:23:59 <Lord_Vider> need help with TTD 19:24:15 <Lord_Vider> ëóÞå Ãà ðóñêîì 19:24:20 <yorick> ? 19:24:24 <welshdragon> Lord_Vider, is it technical? 19:24:32 <Lord_Vider> dunno 19:24:33 <welshdragon> and can you speak english? 19:24:36 *** vvv444 [~vvv444@85-250-87-79.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #openttd 19:24:38 <Lord_Vider> yea 19:24:40 *** rortom [~rortom_@5aca97b0.bb.sky.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:24:45 <ln> he's from belarus, interesting. so they do have internets. 19:24:56 <welshdragon> ok, what's your problem? 19:25:04 <Lord_Vider> ->ln<- very funny 19:25:41 <welshdragon> Lord_Vider, ignore his witty remarks, 19:25:43 *** svippy [~svip@0x50a5b150.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 19:25:47 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 19:25:53 <Lord_Vider> after start its write some kind of "Couldnt find font" 19:26:03 <welshdragon> hmm? 19:26:20 <welshdragon> which game? openttd? 19:26:22 <Lord_Vider> and i see only "????? ??? ??? ???" but words 19:26:22 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051075091.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:26:26 <Lord_Vider> yea 19:26:34 <ln> welshdragon: i mean seriously, belarus is perhaps the most "closed" country in europe. 19:26:37 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051075091.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 19:26:50 <welshdragon> ln, hmm, maybe 19:26:54 *** rortom [~rortom_@5aca97b0.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 19:26:55 <Lord_Vider> ->ln<- r u from moon? 19:27:01 <yorick> yes, they only have ? in belarus 19:27:21 <welshdragon> but that's not what we're here for 19:27:21 <yorick> unless you use another font 19:27:55 <Lord_Vider> ok, how change lang??? 19:28:03 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:29:11 <ln> Lord_Vider: belarus is not a closed country? 19:29:20 <Lord_Vider> ->ln<- errr 19:29:22 <Lord_Vider> not 19:29:28 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051075091.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:29:43 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051075091.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 19:29:49 <Lord_Vider> n sweden? 19:29:57 <Lord_Vider> :) 19:30:54 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 19:31:08 <Eddi|zuHause> Lord_Vider: maybe you should look in the readme, it has a part about what to do when you only see "???" 19:31:22 <Lord_Vider> really? 19:31:22 <ln> Lord_Vider: for example, your president is banned from travelling to European Union, even as a tourist. no? 19:31:47 <Eddi|zuHause> Lord_Vider: no, you are the first person to ever encounter this problem... 19:31:48 <Lord_Vider> yes. but its not disturbing me 19:32:14 *** svippery [~svip@0x50a5b150.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:32:46 <Lord_Vider> ->Eddi|zuHause<- maybe havent this part.... there is nor 19:32:48 <Lord_Vider> not 19:34:42 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@f051075091.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 19:34:42 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051075091.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:34:42 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 19:34:46 <Lord_Vider> fck 19:34:59 <vvv444> Hey, was tram logic for choosing stop when several available on same station ever considered/discussed? 19:34:59 <Antdovu> no swearing 19:35:19 <welshdragon> Lord_Vider, (from the readme (look in your opennttd file) With the added support for font-based text selecting a non-latin language will result in garbage (lots of '?') shown on screen. Please open your configuration file and add a desired font for small/medium/-and large_font. This can be a font name like "Tahoma" or a path to a font. 19:35:23 <Antdovu> vvv444: yes, it chooses the worst one 19:35:23 <Eddi|zuHause> "[...] will result in garbage (lots of '?') shown on screen. [...]" <- how about this section? 19:35:29 <welshdragon> now anything else./ 19:36:03 <Lord_Vider> ->Eddi|zuHause<- danke, i'm donkey :) 19:36:04 <Eddi|zuHause> vvv444: the multistop feature was not (yet) updated for drive through stops 19:36:16 <vvv444> Antdovu: I hope you're joking :) It seems that the nearest is chosen. 19:36:35 <Antdovu> even choosing a random one would be better... 19:36:55 <Lord_Vider> er..... 19:36:56 <vvv444> Eddi|zuHause: Multistop? What is it? 19:37:03 <Eddi|zuHause> vvv444: it tries to reserve bays like with the other bus/truck stations, but it does not consider, that the 2nd bay is only accessible from the other side 19:37:09 <Lord_Vider> which configuration file ??? 19:37:10 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051075091.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:37:16 <Eddi|zuHause> so it gets suboptimal results, if already a bay is taken 19:37:30 <Eddi|zuHause> Lord_Vider: openttd.cfg 19:37:33 <Ammler> why do some GRF authors use bitswitch instead of multiple parameters? 19:37:52 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: because assembler programmers like bitswitches 19:37:54 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:38:13 <Eddi|zuHause> they have been trained to save and pack bits wherever possible 19:38:28 <Eddi|zuHause> indoctrinated, one could say 19:38:41 <Lord_Vider> ->Eddi|zuHause<- where is it? 19:38:47 <Ammler> but you agree it is less userfriendly? 19:38:51 <vvv444> Some try saving bit halves :) 19:39:01 <welshdragon> Lord_Vider, look in the directory you installed openttd 19:39:22 <welshdragon> c:\program files\openttd 19:39:26 <welshdragon> or something 19:39:32 <welshdragon> wherever you installed it 19:39:35 <Ammler> "1 0 1" looks better then "5" 19:39:36 <Eddi|zuHause> no, in my documents\openttd 19:39:41 <Lord_Vider> there's not 19:39:44 <Lord_Vider> fck 19:40:01 <Eddi|zuHause> you mean fsck 19:40:22 <ln> Ammler: *than 19:40:33 <Lord_Vider> found!!! 19:40:35 <welshdragon> Eddi|zuHause, min'es in my instalattion directory... how... strange 19:40:45 <Lord_Vider> i mean f u ck 19:40:53 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-3-235-60.glfd.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 19:40:56 <Eddi|zuHause> when you run "openttd -d misc=3" from a cmd prompt, it should tell you the personal directory 19:41:44 <Eddi|zuHause> no, you clearly mean filesystemcheck :p 19:42:59 <Ammler> I thought about something like it was only possible to have one parameter at beginning of NewGRF 19:45:35 <Lord_Vider> thanks 19:46:01 *** Lord_Vider [~egliolter@87.252.227.41] has quit [] 19:54:13 *** rortom [~rortom_@5aca97b0.bb.sky.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:37:40 *** thingwath [~thingwath@88.83.164.57] has joined #openttd 20:39:28 *** th1ngwath [~thingwath@comp55-12.vpn.muni.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:45:01 <yorick> Rubidium, why does the cheat need to be disabled in multiplayer using the "double" check 20:45:15 <yorick> it can already not done by a client 20:45:41 <yorick> and there is no way to do that without debug or patching the server either 20:47:21 *** FR^2 [frr@oscar.frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 20:55:25 *** yorick [~yorick@82-171-205-190.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Quit: Poef!] 21:05:21 <Ammler> is a grf coder around? http://paste.openttd.org/176685 21:05:51 <Ammler> I have troubles to initialize the parameter with a default value, here param0 to 1 21:08:09 <Ammler> hmm, saturday night is a bad time ;-) 21:11:54 <Aali> did you set any other parameters before that? 21:22:38 *** vvv444 [~vvv444@85-250-87-79.bb.netvision.net.il] has quit [] 21:26:56 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 21:33:24 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:40:03 *** mortal`` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 21:46:58 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:51:34 *** KritiK_ [~Maxim@89-178-90-200.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 21:52:13 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 21:52:36 <Yexo> hello 21:53:42 <Wolf01> 'night 21:53:46 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host121-194-dynamic.58-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:55:52 *** Killer11 [~Killer11@82-135-222-146.static.zebra.lt] has joined #openttd 21:57:28 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-180-55.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:57:29 *** KritiK_ is now known as KritiK 22:01:29 *** d-mike [~mibindsei@p4FC2598E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:01:49 <ln> night, Wolf01 22:04:34 *** d-mike [~mibindsei@p4FC2598E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 22:05:21 *** mortal`` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Enohp eht no S'enilorac, Regor... Tnoflahc, mraf ynnuf eht fo erac, 'Knip Dlo' ot rewsna ruoy dnes esaelp. Egassem terces eht derevocsid tsuj evah uoy, sn] 22:05:39 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 22:08:20 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 22:10:48 *** Mortal is now known as Guest3442 22:10:48 *** mortal` is now known as mortal 22:14:08 *** Aali_ [~aali@84-217-20-40.tn.glocalnet.net] has joined #openttd 22:14:58 *** Guest3442 [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:15:21 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 22:15:58 *** Aali [~aali@84-217-23-53.tn.glocalnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:16:20 *** Killer11 [~Killer11@82-135-222-146.static.zebra.lt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:21:58 *** mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:30:27 *** FloSoft [~sifldoer@g229160195.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: computer has gone to sleep] 22:34:52 *** mortal`` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 22:35:40 *** mortal`` is now known as mortal 22:40:10 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Quit: Operator, give me an exit] 22:40:11 *** Aali_ is now known as Aali 22:41:28 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:44:26 <Ammler> Aali: still here? 22:44:31 <Aali> nope 22:44:32 <Aali> sorry 22:44:36 <Ammler> :-) 22:44:38 <Aali> :P 22:44:58 <Ammler> if I set the parameter to 1 it works 22:45:16 <Ammler> but if I don't, it doesn't 22:45:45 <Aali> well, did you set any parameters anywhere else? 22:45:53 <Ammler> but "0 * 0 0D 00 80 FF 00 \d1" should set it to 1 per default 22:46:00 <Ammler> no 22:46:05 <Ammler> only action8 is before 22:47:02 <Aali> hmm, dont know what it could be then 22:49:14 <Ammler> maybe I did escape wrong 22:49:39 *** IanBassi [~ianbassi@5ac70a35.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 22:50:16 <Aali> nah, its looks okay 22:50:18 <Aali> -s 22:53:42 <Ammler> well, it works now 22:53:44 <Ammler> 0 * 0 0D 00 80 FF 00 01 00 00 00 22:53:44 <Ammler> hmm 22:53:45 *** Chyoko [~chrissi@CPE001839bcf907-CM0014e886a05a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 22:54:53 <Ammler> that is strange 22:55:17 <Ammler> the escapes will be "converted" by grfcodec? 22:55:27 <Aali> yes 22:55:39 <Aali> get a diff of the files, see whats going on 22:58:42 <Ammler> hmm, I finish my GRF first, will then make a small test 23:02:28 *** IanBassi [~ianbassi@5ac70a35.bb.sky.com] has quit [] 23:08:18 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:10:24 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 23:11:40 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-3-235-60.glfd.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 23:15:08 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has quit [] 23:22:45 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C36F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:24:50 *** Ridayah_ is now known as Ridayah 23:30:52 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 23:33:08 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:36:08 <Antdovu> 0xffffffff bottles of beer on the wall 23:37:28 *** mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:37:50 <Antdovu> yeah, the mere sight of it can cause ping timeouts 23:39:44 <welshdragon> Antdovu, the meer sight of you does that :P 23:43:22 <Antdovu> I am quite frightening :) 23:48:08 *** mortal`` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 23:48:18 <Eddi|zuHause> "not quite" :p 23:48:53 <Antdovu> don't let the unicorns fool you :P 23:49:33 *** Mark [~M4rk@5ED06979.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:50:29 *** FR^2 [frr@oscar.frquadrat.de] has quit [Quit: Connection reset by caffein depletion...] 23:52:34 <Eddi|zuHause> i meant: remove the "quite" from the sentence :P 23:53:51 <Antdovu> that's more like it :P 23:54:58 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]