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00:06:05 <benjamingoodger> ...ho hum 00:09:30 <benjamingoodger> I have killed the entire room 00:09:34 <benjamingoodger> huzzahs are in order 00:12:37 <Eddi|zuHause> muahahaha.... "5th season of LOST: charlie did not actually die. hurly stashed him for food supply." :p 00:14:01 <benjamingoodger> hehe 00:14:09 <benjamingoodger> must remember to watch the first four at some point 00:16:44 *** nicfer [~usuario@168.226.105.4] has joined #openttd 00:17:18 <Eddi|zuHause> then you have absolutely no clue what i am talking about... 00:18:56 <benjamingoodger> I recall seeing some of it... 00:19:15 <benjamingoodger> was it charlie that got smashed accidentally against the rocks, then? 00:19:58 <Eddi|zuHause> lost is something you have to see all of it... else it can't possibly make any sense 00:20:47 <benjamingoodger> from what I hear, it makes no sense either way 00:21:14 <Eddi|zuHause> that is no contradiction to my statement :p 00:21:32 <Eddi|zuHause> plus, nobody has actually seen all of it yet 00:21:46 <Eddi|zuHause> there are 2 seasons left 00:21:58 <Rubidium> are you sure? 00:22:13 <Eddi|zuHause> pretty sure ;) 00:22:18 <Rubidium> that'll probably be two half seasons due to strikes 00:23:20 <Eddi|zuHause> ok, i give you that... the next strike is already on the brink 00:23:41 <Eddi|zuHause> but i believe the next season is already mostly done filming 00:23:57 *** vraa [~vraa@h12.165.30.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 00:24:12 * benjamingoodger cannot wait for nip/tuck season 5b 00:24:15 <Eddi|zuHause> and an actors' strike won't affect episodes that are already in post production 00:24:27 <benjamingoodger> what a bloody cliffhanger they put on the end of 5a... 00:24:33 <Eddi|zuHause> and post production is a long queue 00:24:34 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: are the voice overs or so? 00:24:47 <appe> i cant sleep 00:24:49 <Rubidium> and what is post production's going on strike ;) 00:24:50 <appe> can someone tuck me in? 00:24:56 * benjamingoodger tucks in appe 00:25:23 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: afaik the actors are the only ones not yet having agreed to the new deal 00:32:47 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77D89.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:33:10 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77DA3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:49:07 *** vraa [~vraa@h12.165.30.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #openttd 00:49:41 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C9F0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:03:47 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14634 /trunk/src/ (debug.h os_timer.cpp yapf/yapf.hpp): -Change: _rdtsc is defined by some platforms so we can't use that name. 01:08:01 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14635 /trunk/src/ (fileio.cpp stdafx.h): -Change: use S_ISDIR/S_ISREG as x & S_IFREG always results false on platforms when S_IFREG is 0x0000. 01:08:21 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:38:35 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 01:42:18 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5ad3834a.bb.sky.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:56:35 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-10-25-11.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 01:58:13 *** ProfFrin1 [~proffrink@5ad3834a.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 02:00:31 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has quit [Quit: http://www.interplay.com/] 02:12:32 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93-80-37-122.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:43:35 *** ProfFrin1 is now known as Prof_Frink 02:44:06 *** Prof_Frink is now known as Guest827 02:55:39 *** vraa [~vraa@h12.165.30.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:58:34 *** benjamin_ [~ben@host217-44-84-131.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 02:59:24 *** vraa [~vraa@h159.182.30.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #openttd 03:03:41 *** benjamingoodger [~ben@host81-153-83-225.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:07:26 *** FloSoft [~sifldoer@g229167042.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:08:42 *** FloSoft [~sifldoer@g230001137.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 03:09:58 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet638.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:10:58 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks1.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: Quit] 03:44:38 *** Guest827 is now known as Prof_Frink 03:45:16 *** Prof_Frink is now known as Guest837 03:52:18 *** nicfer [~usuario@168.226.105.4] has left #openttd [] 04:00:49 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:00:50 *** aronzak [~aronzak@121.210.121.110] has joined #openttd 04:01:06 <aronzak> hi 04:03:03 *** elmex_ [~elmex@e180064063.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 04:07:08 <aronzak> anyone know how long it might be until 32bpp is ready? 04:08:01 *** elmex [~elmex@e180065085.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:08:02 *** elmex_ is now known as elmex 04:20:38 <glx> what do you mean? 04:28:29 <aronzak> well, if all of the 32bpp textures replace the old ones, then the project will be completetely redistributable 04:36:37 <glx> will still need sound replacements 04:37:42 <glx> btw there are also 8bpp replacements 04:37:56 <glx> and 32bpp is (and will stay) optional 04:38:40 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 04:41:14 *** PhoenixII [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 04:41:28 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:45:41 *** Guest837 is now known as Prof_Frink 04:46:16 *** Prof_Frink is now known as Guest850 05:01:15 *** MarwolTuk|Lappy|2 [MarwolTuk@p549ECF62.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:01:23 *** Qball [~qball@ipd50a4125.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:06:53 *** MarwolTuk [MarwolTuk@p549ECA3F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:07:07 *** MarwolTuk|Lappy|2 is now known as MarwolTuk 05:38:49 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm127.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 05:46:32 *** Guest850 is now known as Prof_Frink 05:46:57 * roboboy restarts 05:47:06 *** Prof_Frink is now known as Guest854 05:50:18 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 05:53:00 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 06:15:51 *** nfc [nfc@dsl-hkibrasgw2-fe20de00-185.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 06:19:08 *** Xeryus|bnc is now known as XeryusTC 06:40:48 *** sunkan [sunkan@sunkan.bsnet.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:47:35 *** Guest854 is now known as Prof_Frink 06:48:06 *** Prof_Frink is now known as Guest859 06:52:52 *** Guest859 is now known as Prof_Frink 07:21:53 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.179.31] has joined #openttd 07:23:05 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:34:25 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.179.31] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:38:23 *** Zorn [zorn@e177236072.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 07:39:31 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@129.187.69.65] has joined #openttd 07:39:34 *** mode/#openttd [+o Celestar] by ChanServ 07:40:53 <Celestar> \o 07:43:49 *** Zorni [zorn@e177233004.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:47:09 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5E780.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 07:51:31 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has joined #openttd 07:53:34 * Celestar hates input/output errors on the home directory 07:53:36 <Celestar> :S 08:24:39 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:31:05 *** Yeggzzz is now known as Yeggs-work 08:33:10 *** FloSoft [~sifldoer@g230001137.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:33:19 *** FloSoft [~sifldoer@g230001137.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 08:55:15 *** aronzak [~aronzak@121.210.121.110] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:04:43 * Celestar wonders whether he can put quotas on his samba profiles 09:05:44 <Celestar> root@andromeda:[/nfs/home/sangl/.msprofile]# du -sh 09:05:44 <Celestar> 1.4G . 09:05:48 <Celestar> \o/ 09:06:28 <Celestar> every time this user logs on, Windows considers it necessary to copy the whole profile over the damn network 09:08:00 <Rubidium> yes... it's much faster to have it locally, especially with the amount of queries that Windows can come up with 09:08:13 <Celestar> Rubidium: but those are roaming profiles 09:08:38 <Celestar> and why are people NOT using IMAP :S 09:09:19 <Rubidium> http://rbijker.net/openttd/find_this_differences.png (apart from the different for and the different version number and the different game state) 09:13:32 <blathijs> Rubidium: One runs in dosbox and the other doesn't? :-D 09:13:44 <petern> the different for? 09:13:56 <petern> openttd for dos :o 09:14:29 <Rubidium> yup... and: DOS support Persian and OSX doesn't ;) 09:14:35 <petern> hah 09:14:39 <petern> why is that? 09:14:52 * Celestar is happy that KDE tries to open pngs in gxine :S 09:15:03 <Rubidium> because Bjarni needs to get his head around icu on OSX 09:15:16 <petern> @seen bjarni 09:15:16 <DorpsGek> petern: bjarni was last seen in #openttd 2 weeks, 4 days, 11 hours, 47 minutes, and 14 seconds ago: <Bjarni> <ln-> well, good to see you back amongst the healthy, in any case. <-- sort off.... I'm totally tired and I missed everything at uni this week 09:15:19 <petern> oh 09:15:22 <Rubidium> and make some libraries for the CF 09:18:12 * Rubidium still wonders whether fontconfig would be useful for DOS 09:19:03 * Celestar wonders why lsof never ends :P 09:19:21 <petern> lots of files open, or stuck on one? 09:19:47 <petern> hmm, something is using a lot of memory 09:19:51 <petern> switching tasks is taking ages 09:19:54 <Rubidium> http://rbijker.net/openttd/dos_patch.diff <- why is DOS more like Unix than it is like Windows? 09:19:59 <petern> and i have 2GB :o 09:20:37 <Celestar> Rubidium: because DOS was derived from unix? 09:21:34 <petern> in which world? 09:21:40 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 09:22:15 <petern> hmm, quitting firefox freed nothing :o 09:22:25 <petern> well, 130MB 09:22:39 <Rubidium> our one? As the dos port uses unix.cpp ;) 09:23:12 <petern> a svchost.exe at 79MB... :o 09:23:28 <petern> audioendpointbuilder :o 09:25:04 <Celestar> don't you love that OS? 09:25:09 <petern> not really 09:25:12 <petern> although 09:25:22 <petern> it runs way better on my q6600 than this pos amd x2 09:25:38 <Celestar> is that a Vista? 09:26:37 <Celestar> meh. 09:26:48 <Celestar> I can't use wget to download a closed mediawiki :( 09:27:04 <petern> yeah 09:27:08 <petern> vista business 09:27:26 <petern> hmm, openoffice is apparently using 14MB 09:27:29 <petern> which is unlikely 09:27:38 <Celestar> who incompetent idiot creates an OS that doesn't run properly on a 64-bit Dual Core CPU? 09:27:46 <Celestar> s/who/what/ 09:27:59 <petern> ... 09:28:17 <Celestar> or right. Microsoft, I forgot :P 09:28:37 <Rubidium> Celestar: the same company that made Allegro add a i_love_bill global variable? 09:29:09 <Celestar> er what?! 09:29:49 <petern> right, 1.49GB used 09:30:02 <petern> with, er, putty, explorer, taskmanager, and sumatra pdf open... 09:30:34 <Rubidium> Celestar: http://alleg.sourceforge.net/stabledocs/en/alleg036.html#i_love_bill 09:31:10 <Celestar> petern: ok with acroread that would be 2.49 GB possibly 09:31:27 <Celestar> Rubidium: lol 09:31:46 <petern> yes, well, acroread can fuck off :) 09:32:15 <Celestar> # free -m total used free shared buffers cached 09:32:15 <Celestar> Mem: 2026 1715 310 0 0 798 09:32:15 <Celestar> -/+ buffers/cache: 917 1108 09:32:22 <Celestar> 917 MB used 09:33:00 * petern uninstalls openttd 09:33:11 <petern> (0.6.3-rc1 is not that useful) 09:37:25 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-10-25-11.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 09:38:03 <orudge> [09:19:54] <Rubidium> http://rbijker.net/openttd/dos_patch.diff <- why is DOS more like Unix than it is like Windows? <-- s/DOS/DJGPP/. If you were to use the Microsoft C compiler, you'd probably find it has a fair bit more in common with Windows ;) 09:38:43 <petern> aww, excluding high resolutions? :o 09:38:47 <orudge> technically, the OS/2 port can mostly use unix.cpp, too 09:39:18 * orudge could use high resolutions with Allegro and DJGPP, back in the day 09:39:31 <orudge> got my S3 ViRGE up to something like 1600x1200, at least. My 15" monitor never liked it, of course. 09:39:31 <petern> "Force DOS builds to ALWAYS use full screen" < desqview or similar? 09:39:33 <Rubidium> petern: Allegro's backends can't handle more than 1024x768 09:39:36 <orudge> Rubidium: sure it can 09:39:37 <petern> or was that textmode? hmm 09:40:21 <petern> does allegro use a vesa interface? 09:40:30 <orudge> It can do 09:40:35 <petern> hmm 09:40:36 <Rubidium> resolutions > 1024x768 did reliably crash on my system 09:40:36 <orudge> the DOS version tries various methods 09:40:44 <orudge> Rubidium: you ideally need a suitably old video card 09:40:58 <orudge> modern graphics cards have bad DOS support 09:41:00 <Rubidium> and so did windows mode :( 09:41:10 <Rubidium> s/windows/windowed/ 09:41:14 <orudge> http://alleg.sourceforge.net/stabledocs/en/alleg036.html#GFX_*/DOS 09:42:32 <petern> aww, i remember scitech display doctor... 09:42:45 <petern> i hope that wasn't their only product 09:43:24 <orudge> Scitech Display Doctor is still somewhat available for OS/2 09:43:52 <petern> hmm, allegro has no GUS support? :o 09:44:55 <orudge> http://www.owenrudge.net/various/dos-network.diff <-- a bit messy, I don't remember now why network includes were shuffled around, but presumably there was a reason for it ;) 09:44:59 <orudge> eek, 9.44am 09:45:00 <orudge> time for me to go 09:45:11 <Rubidium> petern: it plays TTD midis (if set up properly) 09:49:31 <Brianetta> Rubidium: Any idea what happened to TTD's original MIDI playing code, in terms of OpenTTD? 09:50:17 <Brianetta> I only ask because I have an actual MIDI device (: 09:50:34 <petern> nothing 09:51:01 <petern> ttd for windows would've used windows' midi gumpf 09:51:14 <petern> i assume, heh 09:51:20 <Brianetta> TTD for DOS wouldn't, though 09:51:29 <Brianetta> It'd just send the MIDI commands to the relevant IO port 09:51:38 <Brianetta> and touch the IRQ to have it dealt with 09:51:51 <Celestar> 300 09:51:51 <petern> correct but openttd is not based on ttd for dos 09:51:53 <Celestar> 300h 09:51:55 <Brianetta> Shame 09:52:00 <Brianetta> I have a /dev/midi 09:52:34 <petern> that interface is probably not the same as the hardware IO port interface, anyway... 09:52:41 <Brianetta> I have to say, though, that when I use pmidi to play the .gm files from TTD, they can sound a bit... added cowbell. 09:53:05 <petern> well they're meant for fm synths, i guess 09:53:22 <Brianetta> Yeah... not a really nice Roland digital piano )-: 09:53:37 <Brianetta> Although when they're good, they're good 09:54:37 * Brianetta has had Greensleeves stuck in his brain today 09:54:45 <Brianetta> Serves me right for practising piano first thing 09:55:33 <petern> heh 09:56:07 *** Vikthor [~novotv6@pc404-19.feld.cvut.cz] has joined #openttd 09:57:45 <Brianetta> Le Vikthor is le back 10:02:57 <orudge> OpenTTD for DOS can, of course, use proper MIDI devices 10:03:18 <orudge> as the Allegro MIDI drivers can use FM synth, General MIDI, and a few other things 10:04:37 <Vikthor> Bonjour, Le Brianetta :P 10:05:40 <Rubidium> isn't there a rule that anything ending with an 'a' is female in French? 10:05:47 <Brianetta> OpenTTD for Linux appears to be able on only to use external programs. 10:06:09 <Brianetta> Rubidium: Who knows? 10:06:12 <Brianetta> Or cares? 10:06:33 <Vikthor> Rubidium: Dont't know but Brianetta is not female anyway AFAIK 10:06:42 <Rubidium> Brianetta/glx should know 10:06:57 * Brianetta will ask him 10:07:07 <Brianetta> I'm not normally female. 10:07:26 <Brianetta> I was once made an honorary member of that gender, though 10:07:35 <orudge> [10:05:47] <Brianetta> OpenTTD for Linux appears to be able on only to use external programs. <-- well, with an Allegro driver, OpenTTD for Linux would not require external programs 10:09:24 <Rubidium> http://rbijker.net/openttd/openttd-custom-h6b408b83M-DOS.zip <- without network though 10:09:57 <orudge> so you got the graphics driver working then? 10:10:01 * orudge may try that later when he is home 10:15:35 <Rubidium> that I had working yesterday ;) 10:29:50 *** AgentLeMan [~AgentLeMa@BAF4e4f.baf.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 10:31:05 *** gynter [~gynter@77-233-72-162.cdma.dyn.kou.ee] has joined #openttd 10:31:49 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 10:32:51 <gynter> hello 10:34:37 <petern> i wonder if MB would use the DOS version... hehe 10:35:06 * petern attempts to get VS 2003 to work under vista 10:35:32 <Celestar> petern: why do you do this to yourself? 10:37:38 <AgentLeMan> no one else can. 10:51:33 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has joined #openttd 10:54:46 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet526.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 10:55:07 <petern> Celestar, for my job 10:55:09 <petern> hmm 10:55:20 <petern> i thought nvidia 7 series was not dx10? 10:56:27 <orudge> tisn't 10:57:21 <orudge> the 8 series might be, but I don't quite remember 10:57:28 <petern> well 10:57:37 <petern> it says dx10 in nvidia info 10:57:54 <petern> dx version 10, geforce 7900 gt/gto 10:58:12 <orudge> hmm 10:58:17 <orudge> maybe that just means that DirectX 10 is installed 10:58:19 <petern> not actually tried anything that requires dx10 though 10:58:21 <orudge> not that it's DX10-capable 10:58:28 <petern> possibly, but that's pretty silly 10:58:30 <orudge> my 7800GT wasn't DirectX10-capable 10:58:52 <petern> it's certainly a g71 10:59:01 <petern> hm 10:59:17 <petern> anyway 10:59:21 <petern> it does not matter, as it's a business pc :p 10:59:36 <orudge> my GTX260 is DirectX 10 capable, but I haven't yet actually rebooted into Vista since installing it 10:59:54 <orudge> nor do I have any games installed there anyway 11:00:05 <petern> heh 11:00:11 <petern> i didn't try bioshock in dx9 11:02:22 <orudge> well 11:02:28 <orudge> it seems to work fine for me on XP :p 11:02:31 <appe> i have injured my left biceps 11:02:32 <appe> :/ 11:02:37 <appe> pretty bad, too 11:03:48 * petern tries out evolution for windows 11:10:06 <Eddi|zuHause> that's from all the masturbating, appe. 11:22:23 *** Vikthor [~novotv6@pc404-19.feld.cvut.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:38:03 *** AgentLeMan [~AgentLeMa@BAF4e4f.baf.pppool.de] has quit [] 11:39:16 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 11:39:43 <petern> heh 11:39:58 <petern> my pc is connected at 1 gbit/s to my phone, and then from there is 100 mbit/s :o 11:51:56 * petern installs XP in a virtual machine 11:51:57 <Celestar> :P 11:51:58 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-75-75-0-69.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:13:08 <blathijs> petern: Wait, your phone has a 100mbit/s internet connection and a 1gbit/s USB plug, or what? 12:15:04 <petern> er 12:15:07 <petern> usb? 12:15:18 <petern> it has two 1gibt/s ports 12:15:20 <petern> the switch is 100mbit/s... 12:15:54 <blathijs> Your phone has ethernet ports? 12:15:58 <blathijs> two of them? Cool :-) 12:21:17 <petern> yeah 12:22:14 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:33:06 *** Zorn [zorn@e177236072.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:33:23 *** Zorn [zorn@e177236072.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 12:44:05 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 12:45:16 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:45:19 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:49:16 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:52:08 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.207.251] has joined #openttd 12:53:08 <petern> cisco 7971g i think it is 12:53:38 <Gekz> I hate at my cisco router now :/ 12:53:43 <Gekz> it takes too long to connect to DSL 12:54:26 <petern> well don't disconnect it ;) 12:54:52 <Gekz> I dont disconnect it 12:54:57 <Gekz> the crappy line does it for me 12:55:05 *** gynter [~gynter@77-233-72-162.cdma.dyn.kou.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:55:23 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-75-75-0-69.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 12:56:58 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.207.251] has quit [] 12:59:27 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 12:59:27 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:59:30 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 13:04:04 *** gynter [~gynter@78-28-71-9.cdma.dyn.kou.ee] has joined #openttd 13:29:16 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 13:42:33 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 13:44:16 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.199.159] has joined #openttd 13:48:28 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77DA3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:48:53 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77DA3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:55:24 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:55:46 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 13:56:19 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 14:03:36 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.199.159] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:11:39 * Celestar just booked his first ever TGV ticket :P 14:13:09 *** nicfer [~usuario@168.226.104.218] has joined #openttd 14:13:29 <Celestar> 155 EUR 14:13:44 <Celestar> Munich-Paris round trip with frankfurt stopover 14:18:59 <Belugas> don't forget to pick up sausages! 14:19:31 <Celestar> ?? 14:21:06 <Rubidium> Celestar: Frankfurter: a sausage as made in Frankfurt; a hot dog 14:21:23 <Celestar> don't like em 14:21:29 <Celestar> bah 14:21:57 <Celestar> none of these crappy modern trains seem to have compartments 14:23:04 <Celestar> I want my comparments back :(( 14:23:40 <appe> ich bin ein berliner 14:23:52 <appe> ich bin ein frankfurter, ich bin ein hamburger 14:24:05 <appe> as mr izzard said. 14:29:42 <Eddi|zuHause> "In Halle gibt es Halloren, Hallenser und Halunken" 14:33:56 <Celestar> maybe I should do a personal review of TGV vs ICE3 14:37:38 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 14:37:38 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:37:41 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 14:45:33 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 14:46:02 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm127.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: yarr harr fiddle dee dee] 14:57:40 <Swallow> Can 'normal' vehicles possibly have a non-company owner? 14:59:21 <Eddi|zuHause> why shouldn't they be able to? 15:00:51 <Swallow> Normally towns don't own vehicles by themselves.. 15:01:27 <Eddi|zuHause> that was not the question 15:04:29 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm127.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 15:10:17 *** fjb_ [~frank@p5485C1DD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:14:01 *** fjb [~frank@p5485CB38.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:24:30 <Celestar> meh 15:25:07 <Celestar> why are most PSU for computers rated at 500W+ :S 15:25:13 <Celestar> I don't want to build those kind of computers 15:26:01 <glx> you are not forced to consume 500W 15:26:27 <Aali> surely you can still find 350-400W ones? 15:26:48 <Belugas> junkyard :) 15:26:52 <Celestar> Aali: for a box that will idle at around 60W and peak at around 90-100W ... 15:26:56 <dihedral> Celestar: that does not mean it will eat that much power - you do know that right? 15:27:02 <Aali> Celestar: so? 15:27:11 <Celestar> glx: no, but below about 20% load, the efficiency drops significantly 15:27:51 <Celestar> is if you have a 500W PSU and your comp pulls 60W, it is likely that you pull around 100-120W from the outlet 15:28:01 <Aali> apaarently, i can still get 270W ones 15:28:02 <Celestar> with a 200W you get that down to around 70W 15:28:17 <Celestar> Aali: yeah you can. but you need to look for them :P 15:28:30 <mrfrenzy> Celestar: that only applies to cheap psus 15:28:33 <petern> well, i got a 500W PSU 15:28:42 <Aali> actually, no, its available where i usually buy all my computer parts 15:28:46 <petern> because i didn't fancy running a core 2 quad and an 8800GT on much less 15:28:51 <Aali> so i dont need to look for them :P 15:28:51 <mrfrenzy> a good brand psu will only use a few watts at idle regardless if it's max rating is 50W or 500W 15:29:00 <Celestar> he picoPSU is fun 15:30:15 <Celestar> maybe I should just go for a notebook :P 15:31:48 <Celestar> can get them down to 12W idle 15:32:19 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E11C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:32:27 <Celestar> well I even got mine down to 9W with a few tricks 15:34:35 *** Fantasya [~a@78.59.192.248] has joined #openttd 15:34:41 <Celestar> so you can save about 200 EUR per year at 24/7 run 15:34:52 <Celestar> maybe 150 if unlucky 15:34:58 <Fantasya> really? 15:35:01 <Fantasya> how? 15:35:35 <Celestar> by having your home server in the basement running on a notebook 15:36:14 <Fantasya> what server? :) 15:36:22 <Celestar> the one I don't have (yet) 15:36:23 <Celestar> (= 15:36:34 <Fantasya> ttd? 15:37:05 <Celestar> I was more think about a media server 15:37:16 <Celestar> like putting all the DVDs on it instead of having the disks lying around 15:37:35 <Aali> the best part of running servers on notebooks: built-in UPS 15:37:42 <Celestar> Aali: yes. 15:37:53 <Celestar> not sure about the external HDD however, unless it is 2.5" 15:38:46 <Aali> the worst part of running servers on notebooks: they overheat easily and are generally of shitty quality compared to real server hardware 15:39:01 <Celestar> Aali: Real-server hardware isn't cheap however. 15:39:14 <Aali> i didn't say it was :) 15:39:34 <Celestar> so I can buy multiple notebooks for one of those servers, and I've never had a notebook overheat 15:39:46 <Celestar> and if you run a server on it. CPU load will be pretty lowish 15:39:52 <Aali> you can get used servers for free if you know the right people 15:40:08 <Celestar> yeah, but they still suck about 200 Watts at idle 15:40:29 <Celestar> maybe even more like 300 .. 15:41:04 <Aali> that depends, but a laptop will probably use less 15:41:33 <Celestar> let's be pessimistic and say 25 Watts. 15:41:44 <Celestar> compared to 100 Watts 15:41:56 <Celestar> (For a desktop system which is not carefully designed) 15:42:31 <Celestar> over three years, that's 450 EUR saved in power costs 15:44:07 <Celestar> now let's say we get the laptop to 20Watts and the "free" server hardware pulls 200 Watts, that's about 1100 EUR saved in power costs over three years. 15:44:43 <Celestar> suddenly, the "free" hardware doesn't look that free anymore 15:48:19 <Aali> sure 15:51:42 <mrfrenzy> Celestar: if you want a powersaving server, atleast buy one that is designed for such use 15:52:02 <mrfrenzy> a laptop will fail either with motherboard caps, overheated driver or other problems after continuous use 15:53:28 <Aali> it boils down too how much your data/uptime is worth 15:53:43 <Celestar> mrfrenzy: hence I'm trying to design on around a mobile CPU 15:54:06 <Aali> unless you use sony laptops that burst into flames and take your home with them :) 15:54:19 <mrfrenzy> there are already people who have done this 15:54:52 <mrfrenzy> if it's just for home usage, look at nslu, you can't get lower consumption than that 15:55:12 <Celestar> well, it's just an idea up to now :) 15:55:28 <Celestar> and I gotta go 15:55:29 <Celestar> cu later :D 15:57:01 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@129.187.69.65] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:07:16 *** nicfer [~usuario@168.226.104.218] has left #openttd [] 16:13:45 <Belugas> aligator 16:28:44 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.199.159] has joined #openttd 16:31:10 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77DA3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:31:26 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77DA3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:31:54 <petern> i want low power servers for rubbish things like name servers and mail relays... 16:32:15 *** nicfer [~usuario@168.226.104.66] has joined #openttd 16:32:56 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fdf49.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 16:40:17 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 16:43:15 <Brianetta> petern: Tranquil PC 16:43:21 <Brianetta> Personal recommendation 16:45:47 *** Fantasya [~a@78.59.192.248] has quit [] 16:47:24 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:48:07 <nicfer> hmmm, would be possible to generate terrains like the ttd ones with companies already funded? 16:49:06 <petern> hmm, they don't do any rackmount kit? 16:49:52 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 16:52:27 <petern> hmm, do oppy 275s support hw virtualization? 16:54:44 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 16:56:58 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-10-25-11.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:58:05 *** Dr_Jekyll [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0ECA1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:00:31 *** fjb_ is now known as fjb 17:04:27 <Belugas> nicfer, i guess it could be possible. If someone gives himself the trouble of doing so. And if that someone finds it usefull. Somehow, i don't feel like that someone 17:07:54 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.199.159] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:08:15 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm127.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:24:13 <petern> http://www0.us.ioccc.org/1990/westley.c 17:32:06 <gynter> do you need original game files for dedicated server? 17:35:31 <glx> yes 17:36:13 <gynter> where can I buy the game? 17:36:44 <gynter> lemme quess. amazon? 17:37:53 <petern> probably not actually, heh 17:38:06 <gynter> hmm 17:38:12 <gynter> for new in amazon 17:38:23 <gynter> + transport 17:38:31 <petern> £14.99 hmm 17:38:49 <gynter> used 17:38:53 <petern> unlikely that anyone has any stock :p 17:39:45 <gynter> thats so sad, i google for buy transport tycoon deluxe and it gives me thousands of DL links... 17:39:56 <petern> yes 17:40:06 <petern> well oddly enough, most people ask where to download it 17:40:13 <vraa> it's not abandonware yet? 17:40:20 <petern> because search engines are so hard to use 17:40:24 <gynter> vraa, afaik not 17:40:28 <petern> vraa, no such thing... 17:40:56 * Prof_Frink mumbles something about 3407 17:42:41 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:42:50 *** davis- [~suckyours@p5B28E09A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:43:53 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:44:48 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-10-25-11.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 17:47:27 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 17:48:33 *** Purno_ [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 17:48:49 *** nicfer [~usuario@168.226.104.66] has left #openttd [] 17:50:27 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:52:38 <petern> 3407? 17:52:41 <petern> oh 17:55:46 <gynter> 3407 ? 17:55:50 <gynter> whats that 17:58:14 *** Yeggs-work is now known as Yeggstry 18:00:21 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 18:01:32 <Prof_Frink> gynter: Oh, nothing. You certainly wouldn't want to google "transport tycoon 3407". 18:02:27 <Sacro> :o 18:02:29 <Sacro> WAREZ 18:02:55 <Sacro> Prof_Frink: http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=transport+tycoon+3407 18:03:30 <Prof_Frink> Sacro: Pffft. 18:03:39 <Prof_Frink> I don't want to google it either. 18:03:42 <Sacro> ris? 18:10:27 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 18:11:01 *** benjamin_ is now known as benjamingoodger 18:12:10 *** taytay [~tcohen@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #openttd 18:14:10 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:15:12 *** taytay [~tcohen@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:15:54 *** taytay [~tcohen@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #openttd 18:16:01 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43482.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:19:52 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 18:23:22 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.199.159] has joined #openttd 18:24:30 *** AgentLeMan [~AgentLeMa@BAF5f22.baf.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 18:27:41 * Sacro ponders replying somethign about btoh OpenTTD and the Dreamcast being turing complient 18:28:48 <SpComb> only if you post a working example of OpenTTD implemented using brainfuck while you're at it 18:29:09 <benjamingoodger> I asked some time ago whether OTTD was turing compliant 18:29:11 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host121-194-dynamic.58-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 18:29:20 <benjamingoodger> someone said "yes, we just implemented NAND" 18:29:53 <benjamingoodger> so I thought I might implement an 8080 microprocessor in OTTD for a summer project 18:30:00 <Wolf01> hello 18:30:01 <benjamingoodger> and then completely forgot about it 18:30:19 <petern> turing compliant? 18:30:29 <benjamingoodger> yes 18:30:35 <benjamingoodger> i.e., "fully programmable" 18:30:41 <petern> is that different from the more usual "turing complete"? 18:30:49 <benjamingoodger> don't think so 18:34:06 <AgentLeMan> °blinks° 18:38:54 *** gynter [~gynter@78-28-71-9.cdma.dyn.kou.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:39:33 <welshdragon> what is the context of the string 'conditional order jump'? 18:39:55 * welshdragon is trying to translate it into welsh 18:40:12 <welshdragon> and order has 15 different meanings :( 18:40:42 <petern> orders 18:41:16 <AgentLeMan> problem solved. °snickers° 18:41:37 <welshdragon> hmm 18:41:44 <Rubidium> welshdragon: http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/images/2/20/Openttd_orders_screenshot_strip.png 18:43:15 <welshdragon> which one of: http://www.geiriadur.net/atebion.php?PHPSESSID=27c506892e7668574f41c9d83cd4ffb4&direction=ew&term=order&type=all&whichpart=exact&prefLang=en&uni=y would you say is correct? (just say the english, i will pick the right welsh one) 18:44:11 <petern> have you never played this game? 18:44:18 <petern> do you really not know what an order is? 18:44:36 <welshdragon> yes, but not with those advanced orders :D 18:45:12 <welshdragon> oh feck it, i'll pick one :) 18:45:47 <AgentLeMan> welshdragon, try "siars" for "command" maybe 18:46:44 <Wolf01> I have a problem with the horses :O 18:48:02 <Eddi|zuHause> the only welsh i know is "Nid wyf yn y swyddfa ar hyn o bryd. Anfonwch unrhyw waith i'w gyfieithu." 18:48:05 <Sacro> Wolf01: oh aye ;) 18:48:08 <Wolf01> a long time ago, in a far away computer I tried to start a game with eGRVTS, when I use horses they skip the orders, but other vehicles don't 18:48:29 <welshdragon> Eddi|zuHause, haha 18:48:51 * welshdragon lol'd at that error 18:48:52 <Eddi|zuHause> http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/fail-owned-welsh-translation-fail.jpg 18:48:53 <Wolf01> I think is because articulated road vehicles can't enter in road stations but only roadstops 18:49:03 <AgentLeMan> Wolf01, you used the wrong type of horse ;oP try breweryhorses, they are too heavy to jump 18:49:11 <benjamingoodger> Eddi|zuHause: that's quite old :P 18:49:15 <benjamingoodger> it was national news 18:49:25 <Eddi|zuHause> not in my nation :p 18:52:41 *** vraa [~vraa@h159.182.30.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:53:07 *** Sacro_ [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 18:58:11 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:58:24 *** Sacro_ is now known as Sacro 19:09:42 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.199.159] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:11:21 *** vraa [~vraa@h25.81.141.67.static.ip.windstream.net] has joined #openttd 19:12:29 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 19:12:29 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:12:31 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 19:25:16 *** dfox_ [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:31:27 *** dfox_ [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 19:33:44 *** sunkan [sunkan@sunkan.bsnet.se] has joined #openttd 19:33:51 *** AgentLeMan [~AgentLeMa@BAF5f22.baf.pppool.de] has left #openttd [] 19:36:07 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.199.159] has joined #openttd 19:42:12 *** taytay [~tcohen@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:44:23 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks1.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 19:48:20 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5E780.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 19:52:33 *** nicfer [~usuario@168.226.105.30] has joined #openttd 19:55:18 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.199.159] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:14:59 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r14637 /trunk/src/lang/unfinished/arabic_egypt.txt: -Add: stub for Arabic (Egypt). 20:21:32 <Eddi|zuHause> why are all those weird languages popping up suddenly? 20:21:41 <benjamingoodger> weirdos 20:21:57 <petern> someone has too much free time 20:22:04 <benjamingoodger> as I said :P 20:22:24 <petern> no you didn't 20:24:27 <benjamingoodger> I said "weirdos" at least 20:24:47 <benjamingoodger> this was intended to mean "people with too much spare time", "social outcasts", etc 20:25:41 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43482.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 20:28:12 *** Purno_ [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:33:50 *** yorick [yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 20:33:50 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:34:17 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 20:36:18 *** nicfer [~usuario@168.226.105.30] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:40:06 *** jannik [~jannik@cpe.lo1.0x50a68836.alb2nxx9.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 20:44:19 <Eddi|zuHause> benjamingoodger: i think that statement is highly offensive 20:44:50 <benjamingoodger> understandable 20:45:46 <Eddi|zuHause> and you don't even seem to realise what you actually said 20:45:55 <Sacro> http://www.keyboardforblondes.com/keyboard_bigger.html 20:46:29 <benjamingoodger> if everyone who spent their free time editing the Latin wikipedia, or translating openttd into ever more obscure dialects of languages, worked overtime instead, and then donated the money to charity, the world would be greatly improved 20:47:24 <mrfrenzy> are you sure the world would be a better place? 20:47:36 <mrfrenzy> maybe more is gained if they train their intellect by working on openttd 20:47:55 <mrfrenzy> or by latin people getting access to wikipedia and later developing some important ideas 20:48:28 <Eddi|zuHause> no, you insult people who try to make sure that a program is translated in their language, and who then make sure that other people in that country use the program who would otherwise not have access to it 20:48:47 <Eddi|zuHause> insulting people's nationality is one of the worst things that pople can do 20:48:58 <petern> arabic is not exactly obscure 20:49:02 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-137-90.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:49:05 <Eddi|zuHause> the world would be a better place when people would respect that 20:49:16 <yorick> mrfenzy: you actually have latin people 'round that know how to use wikipedia? 20:49:45 <benjamingoodger> "latin people" means nobody at all. nobody in the _world_ speaks latin natively. it is, entirely, a waste of time to translate anything newly into latin 20:50:25 <mrfrenzy> sorry, when I read latin I was thinking mexicans 20:50:41 <petern> ... 20:50:50 <yorick> mh, don't they speak latin in Vatican City? 20:50:59 <petern> well there's a couple of similar letters, i suppose 20:51:02 <mrfrenzy> latinamerican you know 20:51:05 <benjamingoodger> heh :D 20:51:37 <Eddi|zuHause> benjamingoodger: it's already a huge insult to compare arabic to latin... 20:52:24 <Eddi|zuHause> probably more people speak arabic than most other languages that openttd is translated to 20:53:15 <petern> pig latin, now that's a really useful translation :p 20:54:04 <Eddi|zuHause> i never understood why you actually went through with that... :p 20:54:14 <petern> well 20:54:17 <petern> if it was up to me... 20:54:20 <benjamingoodger> well, I'm not going to defend myself. I just don't think it's a valid use of anyone's time, translating a computer game into egyptian arabic 20:54:31 <benjamingoodger> or indeed into pig latin. shame on you, sir 20:54:50 <Eddi|zuHause> but people who enjoy toyland would probably also enjoy pig latin :p 20:55:06 <benjamingoodger> well, I think toyland was also an invalid use of microprose's time 20:55:07 <petern> pig latin is fucking pointless 20:55:08 <benjamingoodger> :P 20:55:15 <petern> egyptian arabic is not 20:55:15 *** questionmark [yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 20:55:31 <petern> it is, for example, a real language 20:55:50 <Eddi|zuHause> ... which several million people speak 20:56:15 <petern> esperanto is pretty pointless :D 20:56:30 <petern> and i've never heard of "original vehicle names" 20:56:40 <benjamingoodger> since I am aware that you only said that to annoy me, I shan't rise to it 20:56:49 <petern> anyway 20:57:00 <Eddi|zuHause> i, for example was not discriminating against the language, i just pointed at the fact that there is an increase in the number of new languages lately 20:57:04 <petern> no, it was said because your viewpoint is wrong 20:57:08 <benjamingoodger> anyway, you said it was weird 20:57:23 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: ever read the news? 20:57:34 <petern> 1) spend your free time translating to a language 20:57:35 <benjamingoodger> I merely said it was a waste of someone's time, translating a computer game into it. at least I had some sort of reason 20:57:35 <petern> vs 20:57:57 <petern> 2) working over time and giving money away 20:57:59 <petern> wtf is that about 20:58:04 <petern> no 20:58:10 <petern> not a reason at all 20:58:22 <benjamingoodger> well, some sort of _argument_ 20:58:27 <benjamingoodger> not just saying it's weird 20:58:51 <Rubidium> vs 3) spend your free time discussing which languages a game should/should not be translated to 20:58:55 <benjamingoodger> what do you mean "wtf is that about?" I thought I made myself perfectly clear 20:58:57 <petern> Rubidium :D 20:59:04 <petern> yes 20:59:10 <petern> you made it clear that you are a fucking idiot 20:59:26 <benjamingoodger> stop using the enter key instead of comma, it's very _very_ annoying 20:59:28 * frosch123 spents about 83 cent every day to be able to join this channel 20:59:32 <Eddi|zuHause> benjamingoodger: even worse, my question was actually purely rhethorical, because i know exactly the reason why new languages are being introduced 20:59:48 <benjamingoodger> and you don't need to degenerate into petty name-calling, this isn't a climatology debate 21:00:02 <frosch123> how much food can you buy with 83 cents in certain countries? 21:00:15 <benjamingoodger> quite a bit 21:00:28 <Rubidium> frosch123: ranging from a few meal to nothing 21:00:32 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: how much money does it cost to transfer 83 cents to those countries? 21:00:44 *** yorick is now known as Guest968 21:00:44 *** questionmark is now known as yorick 21:01:12 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: about 6-8 euros (assuming they don't use IBAN) 21:01:16 <frosch123> it does not solve the problem when there is no food to buy though 21:01:26 *** Guest968 [yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:01:28 <yorick> 83 zimbabwanian dollarcents? 21:01:43 *** sigmund_ [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 21:02:03 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm pretty sure he meant eurocents ;) 21:02:53 <yorick> how many zimbabwanian dollars are that? 21:03:26 <Eddi|zuHause> twice that next week ;) 21:03:34 *** sigmund [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:03:52 <Eddi|zuHause> (at least that was the inflation rate during the german hyperinflation) 21:04:27 <yorick> they're currently at 231 million % and some more 21:04:49 <petern> i wonder how long till we're (in the uk) all doomed 21:04:49 <benjamingoodger> slightly better than zimbabwe's, then 21:05:05 *** rortom [~rortom_@5aca9752.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 21:05:13 <benjamingoodger> petern: GB's criteria for joining the eurozone is euro-sterling parity 21:05:24 *** vraa [~vraa@h25.81.141.67.static.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:05:30 <benjamingoodger> so we will be printing our first euro banknotes tomorrow afternoon 21:05:57 <Eddi|zuHause> the question is if we would actually still want you to join at that point :p 21:06:16 <benjamingoodger> indeed, indeed... 21:06:22 <petern> that's about the right amount of notice 21:06:24 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 21:06:26 <yorick> "Zimbabwe hyperinflation is set to surpass post Second World War Hungary's hyperinflation(12.95 quadrillion percent per month, ie. prices doubling every 15.6 hours) by the end of 2008" 21:07:17 <Eddi|zuHause> 13 quadrillions? how much is that in real millions? 21:07:34 <benjamingoodger> 13 quadrillion == 13.000 trillion 21:07:53 <benjamingoodger> == 13 billion billion 21:07:53 <Eddi|zuHause> that was not my question 21:08:11 <benjamingoodger> == 13 million million million 21:08:30 <Eddi|zuHause> because in real millions, 1 quadrillion is 1 million trillions 21:08:48 <petern> :o 21:08:48 <benjamingoodger> I think you're referring to the long scale rather than "real" millions 21:08:52 <Eddi|zuHause> which is clearly not what is meant 21:08:58 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, the real long scale 21:09:02 <benjamingoodger> ¬.¬ 21:09:06 <Eddi|zuHause> the one that the entire world uses 21:09:12 <petern> 13,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000? 21:09:17 <yorick> % 21:09:21 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:09:37 <petern> oh 21:09:47 <petern> 13,000,000,000,000,000? 21:09:53 <rortom> hi all 21:09:56 <yorick> hi rortom 21:10:23 <rortom> yorick, saw bug report? 21:10:46 <yorick> where? 21:11:26 <benjamingoodger> note that the long-scale million is the same as the short-scale million 21:11:31 <Eddi|zuHause> so 13 billiard is the answer? 21:11:41 <rortom> yorick: topic of #openttd-python 21:11:54 <benjamingoodger> the short-scale quadrillion is equal to the long-scale billiard 21:12:11 <Eddi|zuHause> see? it wasn't that difficult, was it? 21:12:22 <petern> feh, they should just use 13*10^15 notation... 21:12:34 <Eddi|zuHause> and now i actually have an impression of the size of the number 21:12:49 <petern> indeed 21:12:57 <benjamingoodger> what is the number? 21:13:23 <petern> ... 21:14:03 <yorick> it's the inflation Zimbabwe is expected to reach end 2008 21:14:13 <benjamingoodger> GDP of the european union? 21:14:44 <Eddi|zuHause> do you actually read anything that is said? 21:15:10 <Vikthor> I am afraid GDP of EU takes opposite heading 21:15:33 <petern> probably has yorick on ignore 21:15:38 <petern> which is... understandable sometimes :p 21:15:43 <benjamingoodger> aha! yes, that's it! 21:15:44 <rortom> lol :p 21:15:48 <benjamingoodger> sorry, yorick, I forgot 21:15:59 <yorick> :D 21:16:04 <Eddi|zuHause> right... i should have considered that :p 21:16:18 <benjamingoodger> how do I un-ignore someone? :( 21:16:38 <Eddi|zuHause> /unignore <someone's hostmask> 21:16:50 <benjamingoodger> thank you, sir 21:17:09 <Eddi|zuHause> or go to the ignore list of your client 21:17:52 <benjamingoodger> yeah, I've never been able to find one... :S 21:18:17 <benjamingoodger> so what was the number, in the end? 21:18:28 <petern> zambabwean inflation 21:19:03 <Eddi|zuHause> no, hungarian inflation as reference ;) 21:19:11 <benjamingoodger> ah 21:19:24 <petern> oh 21:19:29 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82DB3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:19:48 * yorick slaps benjamingoodger 21:20:13 <Eddi|zuHause> interestingly, we did not learn about that inflation in school... 21:20:55 <yorick> secret :] 21:21:18 <benjamingoodger> interesting indeed 21:21:20 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-10-25-11.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 21:22:14 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83949.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:22:15 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 21:22:31 *** jannik [~jannik@cpe.lo1.0x50a68836.alb2nxx9.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:22:43 <Eddi|zuHause> the only thing we got taught about hungary after WW I is the uprise in 1956 21:23:19 <Eddi|zuHause> nothing about what happened inbetween... 21:24:17 <benjamingoodger> this is very good ~~~ http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8860158196198824415 21:25:26 <yorick> "One source states that this hyperinflation was purposely started by trained Russian Marxists in order to destroy the Hungarian middle and upper classes." 21:25:59 <yorick> what's with offtopic youtube links? 21:26:21 *** stillunk1own [~stillunkn@vpn006123.vpn.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 21:28:21 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:30:34 *** dfox_ [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:34:42 *** dfox_ [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 21:36:46 <frosch123> yorick: they are no problem when the poster is /ignored by all except DorpsGek :p 21:37:48 * benjamingoodger finally correctly unignores yorick 21:39:27 <yorick> benjamingoodger: really? 21:39:33 <benjamingoodger> yep 21:40:18 * rortom <3 cmake 21:40:41 <benjamingoodger> I'm sure 21:41:08 <rortom> build ing ogre and 5 plugins and RoR like a charm :D 21:42:57 <yorick> cmake :o 21:43:19 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.199.159] has joined #openttd 21:44:38 <benjamingoodger> :) 21:45:03 <yorick> gui :/ 21:45:15 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.199.159] has quit [] 21:45:25 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fdf49.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:46:48 *** yorick [yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Poef!] 21:51:56 *** nicfer [~usuario@168.226.104.3] has joined #openttd 21:57:41 <Wolf01> 'night 21:57:45 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host121-194-dynamic.58-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:58:20 <rortom> petern: ror working again :) 21:58:34 <rortom> one step closer to get it done 21:58:48 <petern> who what? 21:59:34 <petern> what compiler/environment do you use? 21:59:46 <petern> i was thinking of playing with ogre a little 22:00:00 <petern> but, uh, vs c++ 2008 express sucks 22:02:51 <rortom> hehe 22:03:03 <rortom> i just finished switching RoR to cmake 22:03:16 <rortom> im very pleased of how it works atm 22:03:29 <rortom> im working on linux x86 currently 22:03:32 <petern> i only ever wanted 64 bit linux support ;( 22:04:00 <petern> updated ubuntu packages'd be nice 22:04:02 <rortom> i will compile one version for you, dont worry ;) 22:04:06 <petern> i know someone who can make those *cough* 22:04:13 <rortom> :p 22:04:24 <rortom> sano was the ubuntu package maintainer so far 22:04:42 <rortom> the problem was that we didnt release an update for linux, and now its too late 22:05:11 <petern> we all know what the real problem is 22:05:14 <petern> but never mind 22:05:17 <petern> things are the way things are 22:05:23 <rortom> yeah :\ 22:05:49 <glx> cmake looks good indeed, but it failed to give me a working allegro5 22:06:27 <glx> though it may be related to allegro5 not being stable 22:06:37 <rortom> hehe ;) 22:06:53 <rortom> the scripting in cmake can get complex 22:07:08 <petern> ogre itself is complex enough for me :o 22:07:09 <rortom> but i think its still easier then the horror of SCons 22:07:18 <rortom> oh, for sure ;) 22:07:29 <rortom> i searched a bug like one week now 22:07:43 <rortom> and i found it in the DDS unpack method of ogre ... 22:08:19 <rortom> once you got behind the ogre concept, things are getting easy :) 22:08:36 <rortom> also, those guys from transport empire anything are using ogre for their engine 22:08:53 *** Yeggstry is now known as Yeggzzz 22:09:05 <petern> the guy is, yes 22:09:49 <rortom> indeed ;) 22:10:06 <rortom> i wanted to help, but i cannot find time for anything :\ 22:10:58 <glx> rortom: btw does switching to cmake means 0.36 is near ? 22:11:45 <petern> hmm, is TE more open now? 22:11:57 <petern> last time i tried to comment on something the forums were locked down 22:12:01 <rortom> not necessarily ;) 22:12:14 <rortom> @ glx 22:12:31 <rortom> we nearly recoded our resource management 22:12:35 <rortom> so lots of changes 22:12:55 <rortom> new installation method using a system like xplane, etc 22:14:39 *** vraa [~vraa@h159.182.30.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #openttd 22:16:07 <rortom> petern you can code on a new editor ;) 22:16:32 <rortom> using ogre, c++, wxwidgets and the middle connection :) 22:16:46 <rortom> see http://www.ogre3d.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=41153 22:16:52 <rortom> or http://www.ogre3d.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=316377#316377 22:22:07 <petern> hmm? 22:22:42 <rortom> as an exercise for you i mean ;) 22:23:05 <rortom> i want to crap the ror toolkit (thats using python) 22:23:08 <petern> ahh 22:23:59 <rortom> maybe i should start working on some version and you can join the team? :p 22:25:34 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 22:27:47 <petern> hee 22:28:04 <petern> hmm, braking is odd 22:28:05 <Jango> anyone done any work on ID3 tags? 22:28:16 <Jango> i need a decent library 22:28:24 <Jango> in php, python, java or something 22:28:25 <petern> a high speed is slows rapidly... at lower speeds it slows less 22:28:54 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.4/2008102920]] 22:29:44 <rortom> Jango, im sure the is something 22:29:50 <rortom> petern you mean in RoR? 22:29:53 <petern> yeah 22:30:10 <Jango> yeah, undoubtably, wheat in the chaff somewhere 22:30:11 <rortom> we should improve it, thats correct ;) 22:30:23 <Jango> but i don't want to waste my time sifting :) 22:30:28 <rortom> lol 22:30:59 <petern> rortom, is there a roadmap for ror? 22:32:26 <rortom> mh, not really 22:32:37 <rortom> atm we concentrate on getting 0.36 out ;) 22:33:09 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.199.159] has joined #openttd 22:33:29 <glx> will it allows more flexbody vehicles without ugly artifact? 22:33:45 <rortom> yes 22:34:01 <rortom> thats fixed like since 4 months ago 22:34:15 <rortom> but it will ship with 0.36 22:34:20 <glx> not in 0.35+flexbody ;) 22:34:27 <rortom> yea ;) 22:34:36 <rortom> we fixed it shortly after that 22:35:01 <rortom> actually it should be possible to convert a xml file by hand, but no one tried it so far ;) 22:35:02 <petern> artifacts? 22:35:27 <rortom> some 3d model exportes use shared vertices and some not 22:35:33 <glx> yes you can't use 2 identical flexbody vehicles at the same time 22:35:55 <rortom> oh, that. That was a one line bugfix ;) 22:35:58 <petern> hmm 22:36:09 <petern> never did that, heh 22:36:26 <petern> i only noticed the wheels when using 'k' ... 22:36:52 <glx> funny to watch the non driven one's body follow the direction of the driven one 22:38:40 <rortom> ;) 22:40:40 <nicfer> one question, will be ported to 0.6.4 (if that's even released) the trunk's ability to read the opengfx files? 22:41:15 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Enohp eht no S'enilorac, Regor... Tnoflahc, mraf ynnuf eht fo erac, 'Knip Dlo' ot rewsna ruoy dnes esaelp. Egassem terces eht derevocsid tsuj evah uoy, sn] 22:45:09 <glx> probably not 22:45:59 <petern> i'd say defintely not 22:46:07 <petern> also 22:46:22 <petern> google sketchup is the simplest 3d design program i've ever used :o 22:51:39 *** nicfer [~usuario@168.226.104.3] has left #openttd [] 22:54:24 <rortom> petern its the simplest and worst for moddeling anything of value 22:54:38 <rortom> since it exports in horrible ways 22:55:15 <benjamingoodger> 'tis 22:55:19 <petern> nah, everything else imports in horrible way s;) 22:55:31 <rortom> no 22:55:36 <benjamingoodger> I also find it improbably difficult to use, but my brain doesn't like 3d visualisation anyway 22:55:41 <rortom> its internal texture handling is horrible 22:56:08 <rortom> the sketchup->ogre guy can tell you something :p 22:56:49 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.199.159] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:57:41 *** TMS [~TMS@75-136-135-230.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com] has joined #openttd 22:59:04 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm afraid this channel is going way off-topic every time rortom speaks :p 22:59:53 <rortom> ;) 23:00:02 <benjamingoodger> :) 23:00:08 <rortom> we can also speak about my ottd stations GUI :p 23:00:51 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83949.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:01:19 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:02:44 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83543.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 23:02:44 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 23:02:44 <TMS> How would I go about getting my dedicated (openttd.exe -D) server's stats on a web page? 23:02:56 <TMS> simply doing it on the OTTD website isn't enough for me. :o 23:04:17 <rortom> there is a stats thing somewhere 23:04:36 <rortom> or install the ottd python bot :p 23:04:42 <TMS> :O 23:04:45 <TMS> Where? 23:04:51 <TMS> Either one is fine. 23:05:14 <rortom> http://code.google.com/p/openttd-python/ 23:05:14 <TMS> I might be afk for about 2 hours within the next half hour but I'll probably be back after that, so if you can come up with a answer soon, that'd be great. 23:07:38 <TMS> well, if there's any possible way of gathering the data into a database that'd be great 23:08:20 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 23:08:49 <rortom> thats what the bot does 23:08:56 <rortom> but its currently very limited 23:09:10 <rortom> so you may want to use the autopilot / php frontend thingy 23:15:28 *** Nuke2 [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 23:15:41 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:28:17 <fjb> What are the effects of inflation? 23:28:55 <vraa> lower unemployment 23:28:58 <SmatZ> fjb: prices and max loan growing 23:29:02 <SmatZ> in TTD world 23:29:05 <vraa> oh 23:29:08 <vraa> of course 23:29:08 <SmatZ> :) 23:29:35 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E11C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:30:02 <fjb> I was asking about the game world. Does everything grow in the same way? 23:30:35 <SmatZ> do you mean exponentially? 23:30:45 <petern> cargo grows at 1 percentage point less than everything else 23:30:50 <petern> cargo payment rates 23:31:08 <rortom> petern http://roreditor.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/roreditor/cppeditor/ 23:31:13 <rortom> new cpp editor home ;) 23:31:40 <petern> woo 23:31:47 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )] 23:31:56 <fjb> petern: Thank you. That would explain a lot. I'm always going bankrupt around 1940 when starting in 1831. 23:32:05 *** Sacro_ [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 23:33:30 * petern heads to bed 23:34:19 <fjb> Good night petern 23:36:09 <Eddi|zuHause> well, higher difficulty actually reduces this spread ;) 23:36:47 <Eddi|zuHause> the (geometric) difference between 4% and 3% is less than between 2% and 1% 23:37:23 <fjb> And the value depends on the difficulty setting? 23:38:06 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:38:38 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, interest rate in the difficulty setting 23:38:56 <fjb> Ah, ok. 23:39:31 <Eddi|zuHause> afaik, inflation stops overall after 150 years, but i'm not entirely sure about that 23:39:45 <fjb> That was low in this game. Still trying to ballance the game with the startdate of 1831. 23:40:57 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 23:46:39 *** Sacro_ [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:50:06 *** Nuke2 [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has quit [Quit: http://www.interplay.com/] 23:54:09 *** stillunk1own [~stillunkn@vpn006123.vpn.utwente.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]