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00:01:32 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has quit [Quit: http://www.interplay.com/] 00:04:41 *** XeryusTC is now known as Xeryus|bnc 00:08:44 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:12:41 *** fjb [~frank@p5485CFDD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:12:52 <fjb> Hello 00:14:02 <benjamingoodger> hello 00:21:51 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:22:33 <SmatZ> hello 00:23:36 <Chrill> hello 00:24:34 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.201.121] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:25:48 *** nicfer [~usuario@168.226.104.174] has joined #openttd 00:26:49 <nicfer> airport noise finished??? 00:27:08 <nicfer> roadmap for 0.7.0 says so 00:27:22 <Chrill> link 00:27:23 <Chrill> ? 00:27:25 <Eddi|zuHause> it's in trunk for months 00:27:37 <Chrill> where's an 0.7.0 roadmap, that is? 00:27:40 <Eddi|zuHause> might need some balance tweaks, though 00:27:57 <nicfer> http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/Roadmap_0.7 00:28:04 <Eddi|zuHause> there's not really a roadmap 00:28:14 <Chrill> thankoo nicfer :) 00:31:22 <nicfer> the roadmap for 0.8.0 says that it's complete :)ç 00:31:23 <Chrill> New AI would be quite awesome, how's the status on that? 00:31:39 <nicfer> The total readiness percentage of this roadmap is 100% 00:31:41 <nicfer> lol 00:31:45 <Aali> NoAI is coming along pretty well 00:32:03 <Aali> AdmiralAI does all but ships, and other AI's do that 00:32:03 *** vraa [~vraa@h176.188.213.151.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 00:32:24 <Aali> so it's already far superior to the original AI 00:32:49 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7564F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:33:14 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77D2F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:33:16 <nicfer> hmmm, wasn't NoAI limited to road vehicles? 00:33:23 <nicfer> or did that change? 00:33:33 <Aali> that was a while ago :) 00:34:19 <Aali> it does trains now and it does it pretty well 00:34:36 <Rubidium> it has been supporting aircraft for eons already 00:35:11 <nicfer> ships are a nightmare right? 00:35:20 <Aali> nope 00:35:36 <welshdragon> when's 0.7.0 going to be released> 00:35:45 <Aali> the NoCab AI does ships 00:35:56 <Aali> not perfect, but it works 00:36:23 <nicfer> 0.7.0 will be released the same day than duke nukem forever 00:36:39 <nicfer> is that going even to be released? 00:36:43 <Rubidium> rvs for ~20 months, ships+aircraft for ~15 months and trains for 2 months 00:37:28 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-26-202-66.winn.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 00:40:21 <nicfer> hmmm, are there enough bugs in 0.6.3 for allowing a 0.6.4 to be created? 00:44:22 *** Yeggstry is now known as Yeggzzz 00:48:57 <glx> it will just a bug fix if it happens (so no new features) 00:56:30 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g230227151.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Rhabarberbarbarabarbarbarenbartbarbierbierbar] 01:03:06 *** nicfer 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cp a b, apply patch to b, commit b 11:04:21 <Rubidium> Celestar: maybe because it has a higher peak efficiency? 11:04:39 *** DorpsGek [truebrain@openttd.org] has joined #openttd 11:04:42 *** mode/#openttd [+o DorpsGek] by ChanServ 11:06:16 *** Kommer [~kommer@vestingbar.student.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 11:07:58 <Celestar> Rubidium: normally, PSUs have their peak efficiency in the 45-70% load range 11:08:09 <Celestar> and drop considerably below 25% 11:08:27 <Celestar> how the system idles at around 140W, which is about 20% 11:09:08 <petern> Celestar: "more is better" is how it's seen a 11:09:10 <petern> +s 11:09:24 <Celestar> I think they just put it in there because the Intel Xeon (Extreme) Version pulls up to 400W 11:09:30 <Celestar> "one size fits all" 11:09:31 <petern> well there you go 11:09:32 <Celestar> :S 11:09:43 <petern> plus a drive array... 11:10:06 <petern> that's what, another 100W? 11:10:25 <Celestar> er ... 11:10:37 <Celestar> a 100W drive array in a 1U case? how? :P 11:11:04 <petern> you didn't mention 1U 11:11:13 <Rubidium> Celestar: it makes me think of the Dutch energy label: Audi A5 more efficient than a Dodge Avenger which is more efficient than a Fiat 500 (all new cars) 11:11:21 <mrfrenzy> a modern psu should have decent efficiency from 10-100% 11:11:29 <petern> 100%? haha 11:11:29 <Celestar> petern: sorry :P 11:11:41 <Celestar> mrfrenzy: at 100% load, the efficiency usually drops as well 11:11:47 <Celestar> but not as badly as in the low area 11:11:50 <mrfrenzy> petern: yes, any good brand psu will work upto 100% 11:11:50 <petern> oh, 100% load, not 100% efficiency 11:11:59 <mrfrenzy> cheap crap will burn at around 70% usage 11:12:05 <mrfrenzy> ofcourse 11:12:11 <petern> my home PC a seasonic 500W PSU 11:12:16 <petern> and a Q6600 11:12:16 <Celestar> which is really horrible, since a decent PC today idles at around 40-50W 11:12:20 <petern> and an 8800GT 11:12:36 <petern> i dunno what that idles at 11:12:49 *** ecke 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Somehow. 11:13:17 <mrfrenzy> the cheap plugin-types are horribly wrong on switched loads 11:13:46 <petern> otoh, i don't leave my pc on all the time 11:13:51 <petern> so it's not wasting power all night 11:13:56 <Eddi|zuHause> useable as in i can switch from amarok 1.4.10 without losing any data or functionality? 11:14:14 <Celestar> Eddi|zuHause: _apparently_ (seems 11.1 will ship with amarok 2) 11:14:22 <thingwath> Eddi|zuHause: No :-) 11:14:30 <Eddi|zuHause> Celestar: that does not mean anything ;) 11:14:52 <Celestar> RC1 comes with 2.0 beta 1 11:14:57 <Celestar> er. 11:14:59 *** sunkan [sunkan@sunkan.bsnet.se] has joined #openttd 11:15:02 <Celestar> 2.0 RC1 11:15:11 <petern> anyway 11:15:21 <thingwath> I have 1.94 in Fedora 10, it works well, but... 11:15:44 <petern> i want servers with low power cpus 11:15:51 <petern> but virtualization is all the rage these days 11:16:25 <Eddi|zuHause> some time i need a low power home server for file storage and some web stuff... 11:16:32 *** sunkan [sunkan@sunkan.bsnet.se] has quit [] 11:16:43 <petern> Eddi|zuHause, not even home server 11:17:03 <Eddi|zuHause> preferably one where i can stick my DVB-S card in, for TV recording 11:17:12 <petern> i need things like servers that relays a couple of hundred emails day 11:17:12 <Celestar> Eddi|zuHause: I'm planning one of those 11:17:29 <thingwath> Decent power management could solve it. 11:17:43 <thingwath> Home server can sleep (as in suspend to RAM) most of the time. 11:17:49 <Eddi|zuHause> so i could have a PC for always-on-stuff and one where i really do stuff on 11:17:57 *** sunkan [sunkan@sunkan.bsnet.se] has joined #openttd 11:18:22 <Eddi|zuHause> thingwath: suspend is not really usefull when you want to have web interfaces active 11:18:39 <thingwath> It can wake up on each request. 11:18:40 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83092.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:18:42 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 11:19:04 <Eddi|zuHause> no, i don't want suspend, i want a server that constantly does little things 11:19:07 <Celestar> AMD's new RVI tech in the Shanghai opterons really boost Virtualization 11:19:15 *** ecke [~ecke@pc126-97.upce.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:19:26 <Celestar> Eddi|zuHause: then use something based on an ARM CPU or something (= 11:19:30 <thingwath> Constantly? 11:19:35 <petern> what's atom like for power? 11:19:51 <Celestar> petern: at idle, about same as a Core 2 Duo E7200. 11:19:52 *** ecke [~ecke@pc126-97.upce.cz] has joined #openttd 11:20:05 <petern> hmm, not that low power then 11:20:10 <Celestar> petern: at full load, about 30W below said Core 2 Duo. 11:20:33 <petern> in said email server sending a couple of hundred emails a day, full load is not often achieved 11:20:41 <Celestar> petern: you can get the Core 2 Duo system down to 29W without any special tricks (i.e. undervolting) 11:21:32 <Eddi|zuHause> 30W below 29W is... negative... 11:21:58 <Eddi|zuHause> hey... i could sell that power :p 11:22:03 <Celestar> Eddi|zuHause: idle :P 11:22:08 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 11:22:15 <Celestar> at load, said system is around 65W 11:22:26 *** Korenn [~kvirc@93-125-161-18.dsl.alice.nl] has joined #openttd 11:22:44 <thingwath> Well, I guess most of home servers can stay sleeping for long minutes. 11:22:49 <Celestar> petern: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-atom-efficiency,2069-11.html <= I goess you wanna look at this. 11:23:01 <Eddi|zuHause> thingwath: constantly as in having active connections all the time, not request based 11:23:51 <Celestar> how with undervolting and a good PSU, you could have that Core 2 Duo system at or near 25W 11:24:25 <thingwath> Active connections? Like you have to receive or send something very often (each second or so)? 11:24:25 <petern> problem is buying a complete rack mounted system containing low power stuff :o 11:25:09 <Celestar> I'm also not sure whether they had an active CPU cooler on that one (which is around another Watt) 11:25:22 <Celestar> disabling unused SATA ports might help too 11:25:36 <petern> the cooler'll make the cpu need less power though 11:25:55 <Celestar> ? 11:26:02 <petern> although a sufficiently large heatsink would do 11:26:13 <petern> cpus need more power when they're hot 11:26:21 <Celestar> any decent passive cooler can get the CPU to about 2K above room temerature (when idle) 11:26:38 <Celestar> and on a server, I'd possibly lock the CPU to its lowest frequency anyway 11:26:45 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83092.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:26:59 <petern> ondemand scaling 11:27:02 <Eddi|zuHause> thingwath: yes, for exapmple IRC connections need ping? pong! events to stay alive 11:27:09 <petern> just in case there is a load spike... 11:27:18 <Celestar> or that. 11:27:39 <Celestar> but the default cpufreq governors raise the frequency too quickly imho (for server environments) 11:27:55 <Celestar> not that one cannot reconfigure that 11:28:34 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81449.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:28:38 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 11:28:54 <Celestar> hm . the MSI P45 Diamond appears to use even less power than the Foxconn mentioned in the article above. 11:29:04 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:29:11 <thingwath> Eddi|zuHause: But the computer can still sleep for quite a long time (tens of seconds). If we had better hardware and OS (not that much better)... 11:29:24 <Celestar> one Watt cooler, one Watt CPU undervolt, two Watts other mainboard, one Watt better CPU... 11:29:31 <Celestar> 5 Watts down already :P 11:30:09 <Eddi|zuHause> thingwath: how long do you still want to argue when i repeatedly said that this is not useful for me? 11:30:35 <thingwath> indefinetly, because it COULD be useful for you :-) 11:30:43 <thingwath> if someone made it work, finally 11:32:11 <Celestar> wake on any-IP-packet? 11:33:18 <thingwath> It would be just even deeper C state of modern CPU :-) 11:33:36 <Celestar> heh. 11:33:41 <thingwath> Point is that you don't necessarily need low power hardware, if you can turn it of for most of the time. 11:33:56 <Celestar> about 8W of the 29W needed are PSU losses ... 11:34:15 <Celestar> and you worry about which C state the CPU is in? 11:34:44 <petern> so we need 100% efficient PSUs 11:35:08 <petern> wait a second, i'll get one i've got stored in my hover car 11:35:11 <Celestar> no 11:35:23 <Celestar> you need a PSU efficient at 25-60 Watts 11:35:32 <Celestar> maybe a picoPSU would do the trick 11:36:05 <thingwath> well, most of this stuff is for mobile devices with batteries, of course 11:36:29 <petern> how do you make its 12v supply efficient? 11:36:46 <petern> spread across multiple systems, maybe 11:37:16 <petern> hmm, 12v... 11:37:28 <petern> could probably have an efficient UPS too... 11:37:57 <blathijs> Celestar: There is a user level cpufreq governor, so you can write any policy you want for that 11:38:02 <mrfrenzy> 12V supplies are not efficient, too much cable losses 11:38:27 <petern> chunky bus-bar type supply? heh 11:38:42 <petern> input current... 10A... ouch 11:38:48 <petern> well, up to 11:39:13 <mrfrenzy> 48V is more common 11:39:19 <mrfrenzy> or for larger setups 320V dc 11:39:28 <Celestar> 12V 10A would be 120 Watts :P 11:39:37 <Celestar> gotta get better cables then :P 11:39:40 <petern> yeah, that was max 11:40:33 <petern> hmm, 300W 12V ATX supply 11:40:35 <petern> ouch 11:40:59 <Eddi|zuHause> 10A? who the hell needs that kind of power? 11:41:15 <petern> haha 11:41:33 <thingwath> current, not power... 11:42:52 <Celestar> er .. let's see 11:43:01 <Celestar> a Xeon X5492 has a TDP of 150W 11:43:06 <Celestar> and around 1.1Volts 11:43:14 <Celestar> .. what's the amperage then? :P 11:43:43 <petern> about 136A, assuming it's all from the 1.1V, heh 11:43:48 <Celestar> some graphic cards pull around one hundred Amps as well 11:43:58 <Celestar> petern: yeah, but over 100A happen in CPUs 11:44:03 <Celestar> petern: there's a reason for all those pins :P 11:44:09 <petern> heee 11:44:10 <Celestar> about 50% are power supply 11:45:40 <Celestar> hm . 11:46:01 <Celestar> 3 Amps of a decent copper cable of 0.5m in length shouldn't give much losses. 11:50:21 *** davis- [~suckyours@p5B28F5EA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:53:48 *** ecke [~ecke@pc126-97.upce.cz] has quit [Quit: ecke] 12:02:58 <Celestar> dang. my e-mail archive is 700MB :P 12:04:38 <petern> is that all? 12:08:45 <Celestar> I don'T keep the spams :P 12:09:26 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g230227151.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 12:17:06 <Eddi|zuHause> mine is 630MB 12:27:01 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81449.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:29:20 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B810F4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:29:24 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 12:33:26 *** mikl [~mikl@cpe.ge-0-2-0-812.0x50c774be.boanqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 12:37:33 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g230132188.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 12:43:22 <FauxFaux> Most mailing lists get more traffic per month than I've recieved non-spam e-mail in the last five years. :/ 12:45:01 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g230227151.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:45:01 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 12:50:37 *** SuomiPoika [SuomiPoika@a91-152-72-81.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:59:07 *** SuomiPoika [SuomiPoika@a91-152-72-81.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 13:02:12 *** SuomiPoika [SuomiPoika@a91-152-72-81.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [] 13:06:51 *** ecke [~ecke@pc155-152.upce.cz] has joined #openttd 13:09:43 *** ecke [~ecke@pc155-152.upce.cz] has quit [] 13:15:46 <DASPRiD> FauxFaux, thats usual ;> 13:16:31 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet713.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 13:21:31 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 13:40:07 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:40:10 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:40:36 * planetmaker pokes DASPRiD & waves 'hello' 13:42:25 <DASPRiD> ohi 13:48:51 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:04:24 *** nicfer [~usuario@168.226.105.90] has joined #openttd 14:26:59 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks1.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 14:31:51 *** murr4y [murray@2001:470:1f0a:1be::42] has joined #openttd 14:37:15 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g230132188.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Rhabarberbarbarabarbarbarenbartbarbierbierbar] 14:38:38 *** sunkan [sunkan@sunkan.bsnet.se] has quit [Quit: - nbs-irc 2.36 - www.nbs-irc.net -] 14:42:39 *** sunkan [sunkan@sunkan.bsnet.se] has joined #openttd 14:50:26 *** fjb [~frank@p5485CFDD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:50:35 <fjb> Hello 14:55:51 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g230132188.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 14:59:49 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-115-165.prem.tmns.net.au] has quit [Quit: I'll get you next episode, Inspector Gadget! 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17:28:26 <Ammler> hehe, heya all 17:28:35 <Ammler> just a question so to unsilent the channel 17:29:03 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5ad84b49.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 17:29:16 *** Sacro [~sacro@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:29:16 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@129.187.69.65] has joined #openttd 17:29:17 *** mode/#openttd [+o Celestar] by ChanServ 17:29:23 <Sacro_> Ammler, just because a sentance ends with a quesiton mark does not mean it's a sane question 17:29:28 <Celestar> heh. somehow closed the wrong terminal earlier :P 17:29:44 *** murr4y [murray@2001:470:1f0a:1be::42] has joined #openttd 17:30:23 <Ammler> Sacro_: indeed. Sorry. 17:30:27 *** tcohen_ [~tcohen@93.158.23.119] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:30:36 <benjamingoodger> however, that is a sane question 17:30:44 <benjamingoodger> ¬.¬ at least grammatically... 17:30:50 <planetmaker> ^^very much so... 17:30:52 *** tcohen_ [~tcohen@93.158.23.119] has joined #openttd 17:31:01 <petern> no it's not 17:31:13 <Sacro_> nope, sounds like a statement to me 17:31:18 <benjamingoodger> well, except for the word "completation" 17:31:21 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5F9E2.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 17:31:22 <Sacro_> it has no who/what/where/how/why/when 17:31:27 <planetmaker> depends upon where you raise your voice. 17:31:32 <benjamingoodger> we don't actually need those to make it a question 17:31:41 <planetmaker> ^^indeed 17:31:53 <benjamingoodger> see also, most european languages 17:31:59 <Ammler> 2. try: if you autocomplete signalling, which type does it use now? (with trunk) 17:32:18 <Aali> autocomplete signaling? 17:32:23 <planetmaker> the difference is whether you use a closed or an open question 17:32:25 <Aali> as in ctrl-drag? 17:32:33 <Ammler> Aali: yeah. 17:32:41 <Aali> it will use whatever signal you dragged from 17:32:45 <Aali> its been like that forever 17:32:50 <benjamingoodger> well, sticking a question mark on the end of a sentence makes it a yes/no closed question, I suppose... 17:33:06 <Ammler> hmm, try to drag&drop a presignal 17:33:48 <planetmaker> Aali: not really :) 17:33:59 <planetmaker> I know times where it changed to a normal signal. 17:34:13 <Ammler> which makes sense. 17:34:16 <planetmaker> I think peter fixed that somewhen (1, 2 months ago) 17:34:41 <planetmaker> he, yes, Ammler :) 17:36:41 *** Korenn [~kvirc@93-125-161-18.dsl.alice.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:37:43 *** mucht_work [~martin@p4FE2362B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:39:53 <Ammler> with 602, it works a little strange 17:40:40 <Ammler> how do you drag&drop presignals? 17:43:50 <Ammler> planetmaker: it does change to normal singals now 17:44:08 <Ammler> or was the change recently? 17:44:18 <planetmaker> well... 17:44:21 <planetmaker> semi recently 17:44:26 <planetmaker> some fix 17:45:33 <Ammler> nah, I just tried with trunk 17:45:52 <Ammler> so is that wanted? 17:45:55 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:46:13 <planetmaker> you don't want to drag pre-signals anyway, do you? 17:46:18 <Ammler> prios 17:46:48 <Ammler> if you used ctrl, it changed to normal but not on drag&drop 17:46:57 *** SuomiPoika [SuomiPoika@a91-152-72-81.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 17:47:19 <Ammler> now, also the "starting" signal does change 17:47:35 <planetmaker> r14012 17:47:54 <planetmaker> yes. That was different before IMO. 17:47:56 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 17:48:42 <Ammler> well, those people who play currently doesn't miss it, it seems. 17:49:07 <planetmaker> well... 17:49:23 <Ammler> :-) 17:49:31 <Ammler> how do you guys build networks? 17:52:42 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 17:52:44 *** Korenn [~kvirc@93-125-161-18.dsl.alice.nl] has joined #openttd 17:55:28 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 17:56:01 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:56:10 *** Hirundo is now known as Swallow 18:03:31 *** Yeggzzz is now known as Yeggstry 18:03:42 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host121-194-dynamic.58-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 18:03:52 <Wolf01> hello 18:04:36 *** Zorn [zorn@e177114000.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 18:11:58 *** Zorni [zorn@g224017203.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:12:31 *** tcohen_ [~tcohen@93.158.23.119] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:13:51 <Belugas> hello 18:15:54 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-26-29-113.winn.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 18:16:30 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43482.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:18:59 <Ammler> Do you agree, that auto signalling shouldn't change the first signal? Or is that also intended? 18:24:46 <Belugas> it is intended that i have no opinion on da matter 18:25:16 <frosch123> both "no" 18:25:50 <frosch123> err, no, I mean: auto signalcompletion does not change the first signal 18:29:18 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r14647 /trunk/src/lang/ (croatian.txt hungarian.txt spanish.txt unfinished/malay.txt): 18:29:18 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2008-12-01 18:28:38 18:29:18 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: croatian - 160 changed by knovak (160) 18:29:18 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: hungarian - 2 changed by oklmernok (2) 18:29:18 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: malay - 20 fixed by SeaGates (20) 18:29:18 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: spanish - 1 fixed by eusebio (1) 18:31:25 *** Sacro_ [~sacro@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:32:36 <Ammler> frosch123: so if it does, it is a bug? 18:32:54 <Ammler> ;-) 18:33:48 *** Sacro [~sacro@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 18:34:07 <frosch123> Ammler: works for me 18:34:33 <Ammler> but only if the 1. signal is a normal one or pbs. 18:34:58 <Ammler> try with presignal 18:35:43 <frosch123> ok, but who wants to do that? 18:35:53 <Ammler> it works quite well with 0.6.3 btw. 18:36:26 <Ammler> so I guess, it broke with the "pbs signalling" update 18:36:49 <planetmaker> frosch: that's quite common for my building style: first station entry. Then track to station. 18:36:59 <planetmaker> First signal of station entry is... a pre-signal :) 18:37:10 <Ammler> or exit 18:37:20 <planetmaker> then it's a station exit ;) 18:37:35 <Ammler> I mean exit signal 18:37:44 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:37:49 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77D2F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:38:04 <Ammler> you don't need it for entry signal, imo. 18:38:08 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77D2F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:38:13 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 18:39:24 <Ammler> oh, the opposite direction of course :-) 18:39:50 <Ammler> you set first the entry signal and auto signal back to the next junction 18:41:06 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 18:41:22 <Ammler> but current situation is now almost 4 month in trunk and nobody complained about. 18:44:13 <Ammler> but what would it hurt, if you leave it like it was with 0.6? 18:44:30 <frosch123> well, I remember a version (probably before 0.6.0) that created multiple pre signals :) 18:45:15 <Ammler> hmm, I can't 18:45:25 <Ammler> I thought, I built prios that way. 18:45:45 <Ammler> maybe with 0.6 18:45:50 <Ammler> 0.5 18:46:31 <Ammler> cleaned my hd, no old revisions installed anymore... 18:47:33 <Belugas> [13:36] <Ammler> it works quite well with 0.6.3 btw. <--- good argument for stating it is a bug... hehe 18:48:04 <Ammler> no, I was just wondering, if I remember wrong. 18:48:06 *** mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:48:31 <Ammler> Didn't play much lately 18:48:37 <Celestar> Mesa going home \o/ 18:50:25 <Celestar> goodbye :D 18:50:27 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@129.187.69.65] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:50:36 <Belugas> playing? watzdat? 18:50:49 <Ammler> Belugas: IMO, there is no need to change "gameplay" there, as you can still auto signal with normal signals 18:51:13 <Belugas> it is intended that i have no opinion on da matter 18:51:18 <Belugas> should I repeat ;) 18:51:45 <frosch123> so Ammler: when you drag a one-way pbs signal, shall it create normal pbs signals? 18:51:47 <Ammler> it is not a bug, just a "removed feature" ;-) 18:52:44 <Ammler> frosch123: why do you need more then one pbs signal in a row? 18:52:55 <Ammler> than 18:53:12 <planetmaker> frosch123: block signal drag = normal blog signal as result. PBS signal drag = PBS signal as drag, pbs one-way drag = pbs one-way drag. 18:53:12 <frosch123> oh, it shall place normal signals? 18:53:42 <Ammler> buh, I do not have real experience with pbs signals 18:53:51 <planetmaker> frosch: normal signals, if block signals are dragged - irrespecitve of which block signal 18:53:56 <frosch123> "PBS signal drag = PBS signal as drag" <- that is important though 18:53:57 <Ammler> that is why I ask :-P 18:53:58 <planetmaker> pbs: same type getting build 18:54:13 <frosch123> well, you can also argue about combo signals 18:54:13 <planetmaker> ;P nasty 18:54:25 <planetmaker> frosch123: that's the only thing... 18:54:38 <planetmaker> but you don't need them so much. 18:54:44 <Ammler> combo signals in a row are only for prios 18:54:53 <Ammler> which is not need for ususal gameplay, imo. 18:55:00 <planetmaker> main point though: if I drag an entry, the entry will be converted to a normal one right now. 18:55:01 <Aali> how about, whichever signal you drag, you get copies of that? 18:55:09 <Aali> i thought it was already like that 18:55:14 <planetmaker> Aali: that exact behaviour was changed... 18:55:16 <Aali> and it should be like that 18:55:22 <Ammler> mÀh 18:55:36 <Ammler> Aali: why do you need 2 entry singals in a row? 18:55:41 <planetmaker> Aali: doesn't make sense for entry & exit 18:55:53 <Aali> then dont drag entry & exit signals 18:55:58 <Aali> duh 18:55:59 <Ammler> omg 18:56:16 <Ammler> the whole discussion is about that :P 18:56:34 <Aali> the option should still be there if for some reason you do want to drag entry&exit 18:56:48 <Ammler> why? 18:56:52 <Aali> why not? 18:56:59 <Aali> its makes sense 18:57:01 <Aali> its simple 18:57:04 <Aali> easy to understand 18:57:10 <Aali> -s 18:57:17 <Aali> damn cheap keyboard 18:57:47 <Ammler> I see only need for prios. 18:57:55 <Aali> i dont care about need 18:58:04 <Ammler> then quit, pls. 18:59:27 <Ammler> the current situation does value the "no need" for multiple presingals 18:59:41 <Ammler> or how you call that :-) 18:59:53 <Aali> and i dont like that 19:00:33 <Aali> ottd shouldn't be telling me what i need or not need 19:00:54 <Splex> true 19:01:13 <Splex> consistency 19:01:14 <Ammler> oh well. 19:01:27 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77D2F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:01:29 <Splex> intuitiveness 19:01:35 <Ammler> then I prefer the current situation. :-) 19:01:54 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77D2F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:02:41 <Aali> however, if someone were to implement a separate "autosignal" tool, feel free to go wild with assumptions about what the user needs :P 19:03:02 <Ammler> well, I just wondering what that could be. 19:03:24 <Aali> just dont limit my ability to copy all kinds of signals 19:03:26 <Ammler> I told you one, have you a 2.? 19:03:37 <Splex> true, drag copy should copy 19:03:44 *** mikl [~mikl@cpe.ge-0-2-0-812.0x50c774be.boanqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 19:05:07 <Splex> should be some way to make it easy for those who want to add normal signals after presignal while keeping consistent with the command function 19:05:10 <frosch123> @openttd commit 14012 19:05:10 <DorpsGek> frosch123: Commit by peter1138 :: r14012 trunk/src/rail_cmd.cpp (2008-08-07 07:48:57 UTC) 19:05:11 <DorpsGek> frosch123: -Fix (r13936): Don't copy pre-signal type when dragging signals. 19:05:38 <frosch123> someone had an oppinion about that :) 19:05:41 <Ammler> frosch123: we know 19:05:50 <Ammler> but it does not just not copy 19:05:57 <Ammler> it does also convert the 1. signal 19:06:36 <Rubidium> Ammler: would you be so kind to not mix English and German in a sentence? 19:10:20 <planetmaker> frosch123: but if I drag a pre-signal, the signal type of the signal I drag is reverted to normal. 19:10:23 <Ammler> well, the commit does more than fix copy pre-signal 19:10:29 <planetmaker> Ammler: no 19:10:31 <Ammler> it does also convert singals 19:10:47 <planetmaker> well. of that single one which you drag. 19:10:57 <Ammler> yep. 19:13:06 <Sacro> I don't want to copy pre/pbs signals 19:13:14 <Ammler> Sacro: me too. 19:13:29 <Sacro> pre/pbs (controlled) signals should only be at junctions 19:14:50 <Aali> then dont copy your pre/pbs signals 19:14:56 <frosch123> http://devs.openttd.org/~frosch/diffs/FSAmmler.diff <- is that to everyone's liking? 19:15:00 <Aali> dont ruin the fun for the rest of us 19:16:10 <Sacro> Aali, why would you ever need to copy pre/pbs? 19:16:20 <Ammler> Sacro: he can't answer 19:16:25 <Ammler> he just don't like it 19:16:31 <frosch123> btw. did ever someone tested odd signal densities? 19:17:22 <Rubidium> frosch123: I fear the next bugreport will be like: I wanted to replace that signal and all ones following it, but now it isn't replaced anymore 19:17:59 <Ammler> Rubidium: and why? 19:18:00 <frosch123> you cannot replace with autocomplete, or what do you mean? 19:18:00 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77D2F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:18:22 <Ammler> why should auto signalling also convert signals? 19:18:26 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77D2F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:18:27 <Aali> which is part of the reason why it shouldn't change the type of the signal 19:19:23 <Rubidium> Ammler: because people might want to upgrade from semaphores to light signals (or whatever's the proper english term for them)? 19:19:24 <Aali> its confusing, there will always be someone who doesn't get what he expects 19:20:35 <Ammler> Aali: semaphores works like you want :-) 19:20:40 <Aali> if all copying only made copies of the signal you clicked on, that would not be a problem 19:21:01 <Aali> heh, i should start using semaphores then 19:21:16 <nicfer> @seen Zephyris 19:21:16 <DorpsGek> nicfer: Zephyris was last seen in #openttd 10 weeks, 2 days, 23 hours, 33 minutes, and 57 seconds ago: <Zephyris> and header and footer 19:21:30 <Aali> on the other hand, i'll problably just make a patch for light signals 19:21:34 <Ammler> no doesn't 19:21:54 <Ammler> I used pbs :P 19:22:33 <Ammler> maybe better would be if you can't use auto signalling for presignals at all. 19:22:49 <Aali> how is that better? 19:23:02 <nicfer> @seen RichK67 19:23:02 <DorpsGek> nicfer: RichK67 was last seen in #openttd 32 weeks, 2 days, 21 hours, 57 minutes, and 10 seconds ago: <RichK67> gn 19:23:03 <Aali> you're still removing functionality 19:23:08 <Ammler> then you build first normal signal -> auto signal -> convert to presignal 19:23:30 <Aali> and what if you want more than one presignal? 19:23:46 <Ammler> but now you build presignal -> auto signal -> convert again to presignal 19:24:01 <Ammler> Aali: please. 19:24:04 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77D2F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:24:12 <Aali> now you build presignal, build regular signal, then auto signal 19:24:29 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77D2F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:24:46 <Aali> its not hard 19:24:58 <Aali> building a long stretch of presignals however is a real hassle 19:25:02 <Splex> or... 19:25:16 <Splex> build regular signal, then change the first signal to presignal 19:26:03 *** DJNekkid [~chatzilla@static128-249.adsl.no] has joined #openttd 19:26:49 <Aali> Splex: if you're okay with signalling the line while you're working on the station entrance or whatever, yes 19:28:00 <Splex> aali: im supporting what you are saying... for those who want to have normal signals after a presignal... just copy normal signals and then change the first to presignal... i agree that the tool should 'autofill' whatever signal you choose, without assuming how the user will build. 19:28:14 <Aali> I like to finish the entire station before moving on to signal the line 19:28:19 <Aali> yeah, I got that 19:28:59 <Splex> someone could come up with a reason to copy presignals every nth space... 19:29:25 <Ammler> your solution is better than trunk, but not better than 0.6 :P 19:29:26 <Splex> if it was 100 signals... i sure wouldn't want to do that task manually 19:31:08 <Ammler> I am quite sure, peter didn't want to convert the first signal, either. 19:31:09 <Aali> entry and exit probably dont need to be copied (but you should still be able to), but combo-signals are used in relatively large numbers in prios and other non-standard signal logic 19:33:29 <Ammler> Aali: I installed 0.6 to check that, thought that you were able to drag&drop presignals in older revs 19:35:50 <Ammler> but no idea, how far you need to go back. 19:40:01 <frosch123> hmm, my patch breaks the non-autocomplete signal-dragging :s 19:40:01 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:40:02 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 19:41:35 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 19:42:03 <frosch123> though that was broken/inconsistent also before :s 19:44:21 *** mortal`` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 19:44:50 *** mortal`` is now known as mortal 19:46:11 <Ammler> frosch123: it woks here 19:46:27 <Ammler> how does it break? 19:47:25 <frosch123> it behaves differently depending on whether there are already signals on the start tile resp. the tiles you place the signals 19:47:35 *** FR^2 [frr@oscar.frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 19:47:50 <Ammler> oh indeed 19:47:56 <Ammler> never used it that way 19:49:52 <Ammler> a nice feature would be, if you drag and drop over existing signals, it should remove those and rebuild 19:50:22 <frosch123> autocomplete signals works together with the bulldozer button, but it is dangerous :) 19:51:00 <Ammler> now it does only replace those in the defined gap 19:51:11 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:55:58 *** tcohen_ [~tcohen@93.158.15.250] has joined #openttd 19:56:43 *** rubyruy [~ruy@S0106000c6e57c851.vf.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 19:56:59 *** pavel1269 [~pavel.g@48.140.broadband2.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 20:00:06 * Belugas yawns 20:01:26 * benjamingoodger yawns also, you bastard 20:02:12 <frosch123> sadly you cannot tell Belugas "two hours left" these days, as it might be false :( 20:02:35 <Belugas> yup yup 20:02:54 <Belugas> i've already got something like 2 hours planned for todos at home 20:03:13 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77D2F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:03:14 <Belugas> for work at home... should I add 20:03:31 <frosch123> work4work@home :) 20:03:38 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77D2F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:06:52 <Belugas> hehe 20:06:57 <Belugas> i'll remember 20:09:53 <Prof_Frink> work@home? A distributed client for doing your job for you? 20:11:01 <frosch123> Prof_Frink: It is closely related to work4work@home@phone@3am 20:11:35 <planetmaker> r14012 20:14:32 <Belugas> got my friend Metallica - The Day That Never Comes to keep me on the edge 20:19:31 * frosch123 wonders whether he shall try chrome. the music always stops when I open a grf2html output :s 20:20:22 * frosch123 could also just open it with konqueror though 20:21:59 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:22:05 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 20:23:23 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77D2F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:23:42 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77D2F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:26:18 <SmatZ> good evening 20:26:29 <mrfrenzy> morning SmatZ 20:26:56 <frosch123> evening smatz :) 20:28:23 <SmatZ> hello hello :) 20:29:46 *** KritiK [~Maxim@89-178-93-96.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:37:22 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:37:54 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83F22.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:39:01 *** weltende [welterde@gandalf.srv.welterde.de] has joined #openttd 20:39:20 *** weltende [welterde@gandalf.srv.welterde.de] has quit [] 20:39:21 *** weltende [welterde@gandalf.srv.welterde.de] has joined #openttd 20:39:43 *** welterde [welterde@gandalf.srv.welterde.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:50:18 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43482.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 21:01:19 *** tcohen_ [~tcohen@93.158.15.250] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:03:50 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:04:06 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 21:25:27 *** Ridayah [~ridayah@173-19-228-199.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:34:56 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet713.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:38:56 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fc123.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:41:00 *** pavel1269 [~pavel.g@48.140.broadband2.iol.cz] has quit [] 21:48:42 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.4/2008102920]] 22:05:55 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 22:05:55 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:05:58 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 22:06:24 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5F9E2.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 22:25:01 *** Sacro_ [~sacro@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 22:26:20 <planetmaker> hm... unrelated question: does anyone have an older libX11.so.6 ? Around a year or two? 22:26:51 <planetmaker> or can tell me where to retreive it? I don't want to install an old package... I just need that file. 22:26:57 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B836F8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 22:26:59 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 22:26:59 <Sacro_> sourceforge 22:27:53 <planetmaker> no 22:28:04 <planetmaker> that doesn't host it. 22:28:45 <Rubidium> planetmaker: extract the debian stable package with libx11.so? 22:29:14 <planetmaker> hm... yeah... I thought about that. Then I need to learn that :) 22:31:00 <planetmaker> maybe I should teach my Suse to learn dpkg 22:31:00 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:31:51 <Rubidium> or install alien and convert the .deb? 22:32:03 <Rubidium> or download the .rpm of a sufficiently old Suse? 22:32:08 *** Sacro [~sacro@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:32:30 *** Hequa [Hequa@b-183-199.dsl.ipy.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 22:33:01 <benjamingoodger> probably won't work, what with all the dependencies 22:33:37 <Sacro_> check old ArchLinux 22:33:43 <Sacro_> that uses .pkg.tar.gz 22:33:45 <Sacro_> or slackware 22:33:49 <Sacro_> that uses .tar.gz too 22:33:50 <planetmaker> Rubidium: the old rpms are then likely to overwrite other files with older revisions... 22:34:37 <Rubidium> planetmaker: you can't tell it to extract it to a specific directory, e.g. /tmp like dpkg can? 22:35:06 <planetmaker> hm... maybe, but I haven't found that so far. 22:40:06 *** mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Enohp eht no S'enilorac, Regor... 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Egassem terces eht derevocsid tsuj evah uoy, sn] 22:43:06 *** Sacro_ is now known as Sacro 22:43:08 <Wolf01> going to play: http://pics.nase-bohren.de/reality.jpg 22:43:40 <benjamingoodger> heh 22:44:15 <petern> ooollllddd 22:44:28 <benjamingoodger> so is my car 22:44:36 <benjamingoodger> and my grandmother 22:44:56 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B836F8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: icebears... take care of them!] 22:45:02 <benjamingoodger> they both still run perfectly well... 22:45:06 <benjamingoodger> as does that joke 22:49:07 <planetmaker> Rubidium: indeed it works with a small detour :) 22:51:41 *** Korenn [~kvirc@93-125-161-18.dsl.alice.nl] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.4.0 Virgo http://www.kvirc.net/] 22:59:42 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-60-185.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 22:59:59 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 23:02:47 <benjamingoodger> herro 23:09:07 *** lobster_MB is now known as off 23:09:35 *** off is now known as lobster_MB 23:09:51 <benjamingoodger> ¬.¬ 23:16:13 <Wolf01> http://pics.nase-bohren.de/dividebyzero.jpg lolz 23:16:18 *** FR^2 [frr@oscar.frquadrat.de] has quit [Quit: Connection reset by caffein depletion...] 23:17:04 <murr4y> oh crap :p 23:18:01 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-26-29-113.winn.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 23:18:32 <Prof_Frink> Wolf01: Something like this: http://www.cyriak.co.uk/lhc/lhc-webcams.html 23:19:34 <Wolf01> nice 23:23:16 *** davis- [~suckyours@p5B28F5EA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:24:38 *** Chrill [~chrischri@c80-216-96-107.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 23:28:56 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 23:28:56 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:28:59 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 23:39:10 *** Chrill [~chrischri@c80-216-96-107.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [] 23:41:39 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:54:20 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B51E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]