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00:00:14 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F0C9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:00:24 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:00:24 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 00:06:05 *** vraa [~vraa@h176.188.213.151.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #openttd 00:09:39 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14649 /trunk/src/lang/english.txt: -Change: consistently use can't instead of primarily can't and a bit of cannot in english.txt. 00:10:40 <Eddi|zuHause> once upon a time i got taught that contractions are for spoken language only 00:11:57 <Rubidium> could well be 00:12:18 <Rubidium> I'd've liked writing this way ;) 00:12:59 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:14:43 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14650 /trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs): -Merge: changelog etc. changes from the 0.6 branch. 00:16:15 <nicfer1> would be cool to edit the map generator so it can generate rivers 00:18:46 *** SuomiPoika [~im@a91-152-72-81.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 00:19:12 *** SuomiPoika [~im@a91-152-72-81.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [] 00:19:18 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14651 /trunk/ (configure projects/generate): -Fix [FS#2437] (r14636): extmidi wasn't compiled/linked anymore. 00:20:54 <meush> nicfer1, i like it 00:21:00 <meush> i remember thaat topic 00:21:00 <meush> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=23020&hilit=map+generator+rivers 00:21:36 <meush> anyone knows what happened to richk and his plentiful of patches? 00:22:39 <meush> like newgrf airports, he's done a nice job and suddenly said he's out of business 00:23:13 <Rubidium> meush: the "nice" really depends on how you look at it 00:23:33 <meush> aha, they were not nice codewise 00:23:42 <meush> he felt he has no dev support 00:23:45 <meush> and gave up? 00:24:27 <Rubidium> depends on what you call "support" 00:25:16 <meush> he was told that the patch will never get into the trunk, so there was no point continuing it? 00:25:20 <Rubidium> if "support" means that the devs do most of the coding work, then no... he had no support. If it means that we debated it and guided him then he had support 00:25:57 <Rubidium> meush: ... the *current* patch ... 00:26:18 <Rubidium> really... how easy it is to mislead people by omitting words 00:26:55 <meush> so why had he discontinued developement of newgrf airports patch? 00:27:01 <benjamingoodger> very uneasy 00:27:09 <benjamingoodger> by which I mean "not very uneasy" 00:27:29 <Rubidium> the curse word of all open source development: real life 00:27:44 <meush> ahh, okay 00:28:16 <meush> thanks 00:28:23 <meush> after all it may good for him 00:28:35 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051069081.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Rhabarberbarbarabarbarbarenbartbarbierbierbar] 00:29:16 <nicfer1> about disasters, shouldn't be possible to add a newgrf action for them? 00:31:37 <nicfer1> and if it isn't possible, then why not a platform for them like NoAI is for AIs (warning, engrish ahead) 00:32:17 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5D979.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 00:32:21 <Eddi|zuHause> it's not about whether it's possible 00:32:46 <nicfer1> how about NoDisasters? ;) 00:32:48 <Eddi|zuHause> it's about whether someone has enough time to put up a decent spec, and then more time to actually implement it 00:32:49 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77D7B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:33:13 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77D52.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:33:20 <Eddi|zuHause> it's about whether someone has enough time to put up a decent spec, and then more time to actually implement it 00:33:48 <Rubidium> and then two times as much time as it takes quite a few implementation iterations before it's right 00:35:06 <nicfer1> forget the second option, as it's better with current patching system 00:36:02 <nicfer1> with the* 00:38:47 <Rubidium> and the chance that you find someone willing to code it is fairly small because people primarily get annoyed by disasters 00:41:32 <nicfer1> well, the main trouble is that the current disasters are not very friendly with openttd's objectives 00:50:13 <Eddi|zuHause> er... correct me if i'm wrong, but disasters are supposed to be "not friendly" 00:51:58 <fjb> The ufos really did annoy me. The mine disaster was boring. So is don't use disasters any more. A river disaster could be more interesting. 00:52:41 <Eddi|zuHause> the main annoyance about the UFOs is that you only get a message when they land, not when they blow up 00:53:12 <nicfer1> I mean, the objectives of ottd say no war inciting or such features and the disasters are doing that 00:53:42 <meush> war? where? except for bombing ufo 00:53:53 <meush> but that would be called by TV "bringing peace" 00:54:09 <nicfer1> the factory being destroyed by the heli... 00:54:22 <nicfer1> the oil refinery by the other aircraft 00:54:45 <nicfer1> and the small ufo is kinda unpacifist, isn't it? 00:54:51 <nicfer1> don't forget the submarines 00:55:38 <nicfer1> the only 'neutral' disaster is the coal mine one 00:56:59 <nicfer1> OT: I want a toyland replacement that makes it look like LSD 00:57:03 <nicfer1> :D 00:57:17 <nicfer1> well, a LSD trip 00:57:38 <nicfer1> jk 00:57:44 <benjamingoodger> it already looks like that 00:57:50 <nicfer1> lmao 00:58:52 <benjamingoodger> saying things like "ploddyphut choo-choo" would probably get you arrested in some parts of the world 00:59:20 <nicfer1> roflcopter 00:59:44 *** nicfer1 [~PC3@201.255.104.57] has left #openttd [] 01:05:54 <Eddi|zuHause> you must have a great deal of experience to judge that it looks like an LSD trip... 01:06:18 <fjb> How do I tell gcc that a constant is of type unsigned long long (in a #define)? 01:06:48 <Rubidium> using defines for constants is not wise 01:07:12 <fjb> Why not? 01:07:35 <Eddi|zuHause> 12345ull? 01:08:21 <Rubidium> fjb: because then you can't use constants in gdb 01:08:47 <fjb> Eddi|zuHause: thank you, that is working. 01:10:09 <fjb> But I will still see the value in gdb. Using gdb is also not really wise in my project. 01:10:36 <Eddi|zuHause> you can use an enum 01:10:53 <Eddi|zuHause> those can be turned into debug symbols 01:11:22 <fjb> gdb and realtime don't get together that wel... 01:11:27 <Eddi|zuHause> but i have no idea to get enums to be of type unsigned long long 01:11:52 <Eddi|zuHause> not at the same time, certainly 01:12:17 <Eddi|zuHause> but you do have a period of time where you are testing stuff that does not depend on the real time property 01:13:04 <Rubidium> fjb: why not? 01:13:05 <fjb> I still didn't see any need to use gdb yet. 01:13:22 <Eddi|zuHause> until you actually run into a bug you don't find... 01:13:30 <fjb> Rubidium: gdb makes things too slow. 01:13:50 <fjb> Found all bugs yet. 01:15:03 <Eddi|zuHause> you obviously won't ever run gdb on the production system... 01:15:55 *** KritiK [~Maxim@89-178-88-125.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:23:46 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 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NEXT EPISODE!] 12:33:18 <planetmaker> !seen sirkoz 12:33:27 <planetmaker> @seen sirkoz 12:33:27 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: sirkoz was last seen in #openttd 44 weeks, 3 days, 13 hours, 42 minutes, and 30 seconds ago: <SirkoZ> 90nite 12:33:32 <planetmaker> oO 12:37:23 *** vraa_ [~vraa@h57.77.29.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #openttd 12:37:53 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@e176226057.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 12:40:07 *** vraa [~vraa@h231.179.30.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:40:50 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051069081.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:40:50 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 12:51:37 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:51:40 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:54:04 <gynter> there shouldn't be comma before and 12:58:27 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 13:05:50 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:06:13 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 13:06:14 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 13:06:27 *** Mortal is now known as Guest155 13:06:27 *** mortal` is now known as mortal 13:13:26 *** Guest155 [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:14:59 * Celestar has finally understood the difference between male and female humans when it comes to obtaining food. 13:23:19 *** nicfer [~usuario@168.226.104.201] has joined #openttd 13:26:29 <petern> lies 13:26:34 <petern> you can't understand females... 13:29:03 <Rubidium> but understanding the difference can easily be done; you can understand that you can't understand females 13:29:37 <Celestar> no no. 13:29:45 <Celestar> Scene at the cafeteria. 13:30:43 <Celestar> Man wanting a sandwich. Operation. 1) Walk to fridge, 2) Open fridge, 3) locate desired sandwich, 4) extract sandwich from fridge, 5) close fridge door. Time elapsed: 12 seconds. 13:32:24 <Rubidium> Celestar: Woman at cafeteria wanting a sandwich. 1) Walks up to fridge, 2) locates herself stragetically as to block the entire line, 3) opens fridge, 4) pulls out sandwich, 5) identifies sandwich, 6) gives a rating to sandwich, 7) repeats steps 4) to 6) for every sandwich in damn fridge, 8) gets sandwich with highest rating from now warm fridge, 9) closes fridge. Elapsed time: 4 minutes :< ? 13:32:24 <Celestar> Woman wanting a sandwich: Opteron: 1) Walk to fridge, 2) locate herself strategically so that, in spite of having a BMI of maybe 17, she blocks the entire line, 3) Open fridge, 4) extract random sandwich, 5) examine sandwich thoroughly, 6) repeat 4) and 5) for the majority of sandwiches in fridge, 7) walk away from fridge with random sandwich without closing the door. Time elapsed: Aeons 13:32:33 <Celestar> Rubidium: yeah .. we had that :P 13:32:51 * Celestar tests people's memory :D 13:35:03 <petern> opteron? 13:35:59 <Celestar> petern: you had some desync problems with cargodest and refits? 13:36:43 <petern> haven't played for ages, so dunno 13:36:50 <Celestar> k 13:36:57 <Celestar> I wanna wrap v1 up before Xmas 13:37:13 <Celestar> so that I can dive into route balancing in 2009 :D 13:37:34 <Celestar> and of course satisfy Rubidium's code guideline-requirements :D 13:37:46 <petern> so have you replaced boost yet? ;) 13:40:17 <Celestar> did we put that up as a requirement? :P 13:42:02 <Celestar> at least not while I was there :P 13:44:05 <Eddi|zuHause> oh the beautiful snow out there 13:46:49 <Celestar> snow? what snow? 13:47:15 <glx> only rain here 13:48:10 <Eddi|zuHause> at least 3cm 13:48:21 <Eddi|zuHause> it's snowing the whole day already 13:52:01 <Celestar> Yeah, I heard that you guys in the North have snow today 13:52:12 <Celestar> we have a clear blue sky 13:52:34 <Celestar> and about 6°C 13:56:39 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77D52.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:57:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77D52.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:00:03 <gynter> does anyone know a 64x64 map server? 14:00:18 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 14:00:20 <Eddi|zuHause> servers.openttd.org 14:00:54 <gynter> indeed, you should add filter there :P 14:01:08 <Eddi|zuHause> ctrl+f? 14:01:08 <petern> yeah, Eddi|zuHause, do it 14:01:50 <gynter> Eddi|zuHause, cant see any map sizes displayed in servers list... 14:01:54 <gynter> that i mean under filter 14:01:59 <gynter> as* not under 14:02:21 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, because map sizes are not announced 14:02:35 <Eddi|zuHause> you have to query each server to find out its mapsize 14:08:06 *** rond [~Miranda@ppp91-122-42-29.pppoe.avangarddsl.ru] has joined #openttd 14:09:51 <rond> hi all 14:10:00 <rond> Why OTTD can lag in networked game? 14:11:40 <Eddi|zuHause> lots of reasons 14:11:52 <rond> Can you name a few? 14:12:28 <Eddi|zuHause> big map? ships? bandwidth? 14:13:00 <rond> Bandwidth should be ok, ping is ok, ships disabled, map 1024x1024. 14:13:53 <Eddi|zuHause> that's already a large map 14:14:06 <Eddi|zuHause> tried increasing net_frame_freq? 14:14:27 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: increasing that adds more lag 14:14:40 <rond> It was ok at earlier stage of game. 14:14:49 <rond> But now it lags bad (at least for me). 14:15:06 <Rubidium> lag is because all commands are send to the server and then the server sends it back to the clients 14:15:50 <Rubidium> the longer it takes before the command can actually be executed (you are at the same game state as the server when sending the command) 14:16:15 <gynter> big stations? 14:16:19 <gynter> many stations? 14:16:49 <rond> Some stations are not very little. 14:16:51 <Rubidium> reasons for this are, amongst others: slow client, stupid choices w.r.t. settings, high net_frame_freq, low ping 14:17:03 <rond> And I don't know how much stations are considered many. ;-) 14:17:13 <Rubidium> very complex routes, many many vehicles 14:17:17 <rond> wrt settings - what is wrt? 14:17:32 <Eddi|zuHause> "with regard to"? 14:17:58 <rond> thanks 14:18:45 <rond> So, in network game OTTD at client side does all the route calculations? 14:19:28 <Celestar> yes 14:19:42 <rond> For all vehicles or only for player's vehicles? 14:19:50 <Celestar> rond: all vehicles 14:21:17 <Celestar> every client computes the entire game state every tick 14:21:51 <rond> Even spectator's? 14:22:01 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 14:22:02 <mrfrenzy> yes 14:22:06 <Celestar> yes 14:22:17 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 14:22:22 <Eddi|zuHause> ...wait.. 14:26:19 *** fjb [~frank@p5485E7AC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:28:25 *** fjb [~frank@p5485E7AC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:32:30 * Celestar gives rond a cookie 14:32:43 <Belugas> cheap... 14:32:51 <Celestar> ? 14:32:52 * Belugas gives rond a BAG of cookie 14:32:57 <Belugas> +s 14:33:11 <Celestar> what for? :P 14:33:36 <Belugas> here is a guy who asked a qwuestion and wants to actually learn :) 14:33:38 *** nicfer [~usuario@168.226.104.201] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:33:46 <Belugas> this is to be celebrate! 14:33:50 <Belugas> mmmh... 14:34:01 <Belugas> so is the departure of nicfer :D 14:34:34 <Eddi|zuHause> oh fuck... i can't write a word... 14:37:31 <Belugas> it requires fingers :) to hold a pen or push some keys 14:37:54 <Belugas> and yes, i need coffee or even better, sleep 14:37:58 <Belugas> lots of it 14:38:02 <Belugas> both 14:38:06 <Belugas> anyway.. 14:38:14 <planetmaker> :D 14:38:27 <planetmaker> both sounds like one of the two will be futile... ;) 14:39:43 <Belugas> pretty much so indeed 14:40:08 <Belugas> funny... two days of work, already 22 hours completed 14:40:10 <Belugas> gaaaaa 14:40:22 <Eddi|zuHause> i need a ghostwriter or something... 14:40:46 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: maybe you first need a ghost detector? 14:41:09 <planetmaker> http://www.maui.net/~emf/TriFieldNat.html <-- check out that :D 14:41:19 <planetmaker> Maybe then one of those ghosts will write for you ;) 14:41:47 *** wgrant [~wgrant@c122-108-27-22.eburwd9.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:44:56 *** lobstar_MB is now known as lobster_MB 14:45:58 <Celestar> hm. 14:46:18 <Celestar> audacity's declipping functions just cancelled out the whole audio file. 14:46:31 <Celestar> a nice way to remove clips :P 14:56:50 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.188.60] has joined #openttd 14:57:50 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FD03.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:57:53 *** wgrant [~wgrant@c122-108-27-22.eburwd9.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 14:58:29 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 14:58:38 <petern> well it's thorough 14:59:12 <Aali> you have to give them credit for finding the "perfect" declipping function 14:59:30 <petern> it's so general purpose as well 14:59:35 <petern> it's a perfect noiser 14:59:45 <petern> and a perfect 0hz signal generator 15:02:07 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet713.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 15:02:10 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@wired-237.fi.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 15:04:14 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm17.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:04:14 *** fjb [~frank@p5485E7AC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:10:43 <Celestar> noiser? silencer rather .. 15:11:21 <Eddi|zuHause> silence is just a special kind of noise 15:11:38 *** davis- [~suckyours@p5B28F9F1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:13:31 <planetmaker> depends upon definition of "noise". 15:14:29 <Celestar> something that wakes me up :P 15:15:05 <Rubidium> so a bucket of ice cold water's also noise 15:15:32 <petern> denoiser, i meant 15:21:14 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:31:56 <Eddi|zuHause> the only thing that is missing in this snowy landscape is a steam train... 15:33:05 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.188.60] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:37:38 <Belugas> mmh? 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Red text in dialogs is fc0000 18:08:03 <Wolf01> Yeah! I'm the first hundred user of this channel! What I've won? 18:09:40 <SmatZ> better don't ask :-P 18:10:22 <glx> I can ask DorpsGek to give you a present :) 18:10:29 <Wolf01> Is possible to delete the last line I inserted? I think when peter reads it he will kick me :'( 18:12:53 <petern> why? 18:13:06 <petern> i think you meant "what've i won", though 18:13:18 <petern> how odd 18:13:22 <Wolf01> You said no stupid jokes 18:13:31 <petern> msn messenger connected and then locked up 18:13:35 <petern> did i? 18:14:33 <Wolf01> At least when I was suggesting impossible features :P 18:16:25 <Prof_Frink> petern! NewImpossibleStuff! 18:16:37 <Wolf01> About impossible features... how is going with layered drawing of graphics? 18:17:03 <petern> for what? 18:17:21 <petern> or do you mean the sprite sorting glitches? 18:17:26 *** Zorni [zorn@g224106146.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 18:17:51 <Eddi|zuHause> i think he meant railtypes being layered over bridges or something 18:19:00 <Wolf01> you weren't working at patch wich should allow to compose rail junctions and other sprites without grass etc? 18:19:34 <Wolf01> *weren't you... 18:20:13 <Wolf01> *which 18:22:47 <petern> oh, the new railtypes patch 18:22:56 <petern> well it was working 18:22:58 <petern> though i never did much with tunnels 18:24:48 *** Zorn [zorn@d137092.adsl.hansenet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:25:52 *** rond [~Miranda@ppp91-122-42-29.pppoe.avangarddsl.ru] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 18:26:11 *** Dr_B_Ching [~Nigel@cpc4-bexl2-0-0-cust821.bmly.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:29:49 *** rubyruy [~ruy@S0106000c6e57c851.vf.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 18:30:35 <petern> "can you tell me where my country lies?" 18:31:02 <petern> Belugas! 18:32:00 <Wolf01> my country lies on all :P 18:32:03 <gynter> on earth? 18:33:25 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@wired-237.fi.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 18:33:39 <thingwath> my country doesn't lie, becauese "truth prevails". 18:37:20 <Prof_Frink> petern: Westminster? 18:39:31 *** nfc [nfc@cable-hvk-fe7ede00-156.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 18:43:34 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r14652 /trunk/src/lang/ (5 files in 2 dirs): 18:43:34 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2008-12-03 18:43:05 18:43:34 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: croatian - 28 changed by knovak (28) 18:43:34 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: indonesian - 64 fixed, 1 changed by fanioz (50), dnaftali (15) 18:43:34 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: macedonian - 10 fixed by zharko (10) 18:43:34 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: malay - 267 fixed, 3 changed by tombakemas (270) 18:43:36 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: serbian - 29 fixed by dejac (29) 18:43:45 <Eddi|zuHause> "my country" doesn't even exist anymore 18:50:09 <Wolf01> East Germany? 18:50:41 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 18:55:28 <fjb_> We bought you. 18:57:45 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@wired-237.fi.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: Quit] 19:03:17 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43482.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 19:06:33 <davis-> D: 19:07:50 <Belugas> "Said the unicorn to its true love eyes" 19:08:03 <Belugas> "It lies with me, said th Queen of Maybe" 19:08:05 <Eddi|zuHause> "as long as this joke works, germany is not truely reunited" 19:14:42 <fjb_> It will still need many years till germany is truely reunited. There is still a wall in the people's mind. And the politicians don't help much. Why are the wages still different (and many other things)? 19:16:52 <Eddi|zuHause> the wages are still not equal because they are actally too high in western germany, and people generally react harsh if anyone is trying to "take away" from them 19:18:02 *** Yeggs-work is now known as Yeggstry 19:19:01 <fjb_> I don't think they are too high in western germany, they are too low in eastern germany. 19:19:12 *** fjb_ is now known as fjb 19:25:54 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43482.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 19:28:34 <Belugas> As I can see, petern, the good old classics are pretty much unknown tothe masses these days :D 19:29:20 <petern> indeed 19:30:12 *** davis- [~suckyours@p5B28F9F1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:30:27 <Eddi|zuHause> the real problem is, the good music i listen to often has no accompanying lyrics 19:31:02 <Eddi|zuHause> and i can't really whistle melodies in here :p 19:31:39 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r14653 /trunk/src/lang/ (croatian.txt danish.txt unfinished/indonesian.txt): 19:31:39 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2008-12-03 19:27:43 19:31:39 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: danish - 10 fixed by ThomasA (10) 19:31:39 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: indonesian - 48 fixed by fanioz (48) 19:31:39 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix: WebTranslator2 went haywire on Croatian/Danish. 19:33:36 <Belugas> hehehe good point, Eddi|zuHause good point :) 19:40:18 <Booth> i have a question to developers 19:40:30 <Booth> i have been using YAPF for my ships 19:40:46 <Booth> as it seems to works better and not increase the demand on my processor 19:40:56 <Booth> so why is it not recomended? 19:41:42 <Eddi|zuHause> yapf can be an extreme ressource hog if the distances between buoys get higher and the paths more complicated 19:43:44 <Booth> i was running 1000 boats on a boat only map 19:43:57 <Booth> and when i turn yapf off and back to opf 19:44:06 <Booth> its almost crash openttd 19:44:53 <petern> did you use buoys? 19:45:04 <Booth> yeah 19:45:10 <petern> then yapf is fine 19:45:14 <Booth> you have to use buoys with boats 19:45:21 <petern> ah 19:45:22 <petern> well 19:45:27 <Booth> opf doesnt work without buoys either 19:45:31 <Booth> just gets lost 19:45:43 <petern> i dunno about now, but you used to be able to use yapf without buoys 19:46:00 <petern> which gave a bad reputation, i guess 19:46:06 <Booth> you can but not on long distances 19:46:20 <Booth> just says that its to far for pervious station 19:47:20 <Booth> i dont understand why yapf would not be recomended over opf 19:48:01 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:48:16 <petern> # sunday night 19:48:19 <petern> # mr farmer called 19:55:05 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43482.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:03:05 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.188.60] has joined #openttd 20:03:36 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 20:05:29 *** Myaushka [~kvirc@tide536.microsoft.com] has joined #openttd 20:06:08 *** Aali_ [~aali@84-217-171-38.tn.glocalnet.net] has joined #openttd 20:07:56 *** Aali [~aali@84-217-20-44.tn.glocalnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:09:40 *** Aali_ is now known as Aali 20:13:39 <Eddi|zuHause> the buoys were enforced for YAPF, too, because long distances caused so many troubles. but in general they are not really needed 20:14:28 <Eddi|zuHause> if you have low water levels and only 1 tile wide canals, YAPF should even be fine over long distances 20:22:08 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host81-156-74-176.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:23:04 *** Doke [~Miranda@g227028204.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 20:23:13 <Doke> Hi all 20:24:26 <Doke> Is it possible to change the default "load game" directory? 20:24:45 <Sacro> yes 20:25:13 <Doke> atm its "C:\users\etc" but i'd prefer the game directory on "E:\openttd\saves" 20:26:28 <Doke> Thx Sacro. Next question: How? 20:27:01 <Sacro> alter the source and recompile 20:27:20 <planetmaker> :D 20:27:30 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Quit: ecke] 20:28:08 <Doke> any other possibilities? 20:28:31 <glx> move openttd.cfg 20:33:03 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host81-156-74-176.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 20:39:36 *** dvo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:44:15 <Doke> thx glx. 20:44:45 <glx> oh and read the readme :) 20:46:55 <Belugas> hu??? 20:46:56 <Belugas> read???? 20:47:08 <Belugas> what the heck is that? o_O 20:47:14 <DASPRiD> http://i.thefairest.info/funniest_thumbs/Hm6Jje.jpeg 20:48:08 <frosch123> readme is somewhat related to delme 20:50:00 <DASPRiD> or createme 20:52:55 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 20:58:35 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:01:54 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:03:13 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 21:08:48 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:12:40 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fc6ff.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:12:59 *** Sacro [~sacro@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:14:46 *** rubyruy [~ruy@S0106000c6e57c851.vf.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: Zzzz...] 21:26:34 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5CE6B.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:32:01 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:32:12 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 21:41:52 <ccfreak2k> Why is it that no one ever survives train/bus/aircraft collisions in openttd? 21:42:51 <Prof_Frink> Because the vehicles are laden with dynamite. 21:42:54 <Wolf01> because it's an ideal world, where if you are injuried you will be suppressed to not suffer 21:43:06 <Eddi|zuHause> because that's the furthest away from the r-word we could do 21:43:36 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93-80-36-47.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 21:43:44 <Booth> i wish planes and boats and rv's could crash into eachother 21:44:13 <Wolf01> so you can kill more people at once? 21:44:25 <Booth> yeah 21:45:15 <Booth> and you had to think where to place airports and docks to stop planes crashing into trees building or the ground and to stop boat sinking if they crashed into rocks or run aground 21:45:35 <Eddi|zuHause> btw. killed people are less likely to sue you 21:46:01 <mikegrb> but thier family... 21:46:08 <Prof_Frink> Kill them too. 21:46:11 <Booth> but there spouses and families are 21:46:15 <Wolf01> btw, I wish that too, so ships will need a more sophisticate handling, like 2 tiles larger canals, no 2 ships in the lock at the same time etc 21:46:29 <Booth> is this Openttd turns into COD5? 21:46:57 <Booth> wow wolf i thought i was a one of a kind 21:47:04 <Booth> and tides would be nice 21:47:24 <benjamingoodger> don't push it ¬.¬ 21:47:38 <Eddi|zuHause> but dead people do not have medical costs 21:48:02 <Booth> lol 21:48:12 <benjamingoodger> that's true 21:48:14 <Eddi|zuHause> so the spouses get less money, because they do not have ongoing support costs 21:48:17 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 21:48:17 <benjamingoodger> less of a drain on the taxpayer 21:48:18 <Booth> what about cars to rival you networks? 21:48:49 <Eddi|zuHause> death insurance is also usually much lower than invalidity insurance 21:49:16 <Booth> isnt it cheaper not to buy insurance! 21:49:45 <Belugas> [16:43] <Eddi|zuHause> because that's the furthest away from the r-word we could do <--- :D !!!! 21:49:55 <Eddi|zuHause> ;) 21:50:11 <Booth> r-word? 21:50:32 <Eddi|zuHause> sorry, that's totally an in-joke ;) 21:50:41 <Belugas> [16:44] <Booth> i wish planes and boats and rv's could crash into eachother <--- sickening wish.. 21:51:01 <Booth> i mean planes into planes 21:51:05 <Booth> boats into boats 21:51:09 <Booth> and rvs into rvs 21:51:13 <Prof_Frink> No, planes into buildings is sickening. 21:51:17 <Booth> so you would need better pathfinding 21:51:17 <Belugas> yunderstood. still. 21:51:21 <Booth> lol 21:51:33 <Booth> planes into buildings is funny 21:54:20 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:54:20 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 21:54:58 <ccfreak2k> Place an airport right behind the other company's HQ and have planes fly in low and see if you can hit it. 21:55:02 <gynter> xml-rpc not implemented to masterserver yet? 21:55:33 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-60-185.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:55:44 <Belugas> xml-pig 21:55:53 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.226] has quit [Quit: On snow, everyone can follow your traces] 21:55:56 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 21:56:58 <gynter> uhm, k udp way then :P 21:57:19 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 21:57:20 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 22:03:58 <Nite_Owl> How many of you have ever seen the movie Deliverance 22:05:36 *** Terkhen [~ircap@50.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 22:05:38 <Terkhen> hello 22:06:03 <gynter> no 22:06:25 <Nite_Owl> Hmmm - another caption game entry doomed due to obscurity - oh well 22:06:25 <fjb> Nite_Owl: I guess I saw it once. 22:08:58 *** Mortal is now known as Guest227 22:09:01 *** mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 22:10:46 <Eddi|zuHause> i have no idea what you just said... 22:13:28 <Nite_Owl> At the TT Forums there is a forum in which various games are played. One of those games is a 'caption' game. Someone posts a picture and you come up with a caption for it. 22:16:25 *** Guest227 [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:19:53 <Wolf01> 'night 22:19:58 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host121-194-dynamic.58-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:32:12 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.4/2008102920]] 22:42:18 *** gynter [~gynter@77-233-67-31.cdma.dyn.kou.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:52:22 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 22:56:56 *** Cornflower [~Corn@pool-71-116-168-247.lsanca.btas.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 23:04:07 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:04:54 *** Yeggstry is now known as Yeggzzz 23:06:48 *** Doke [~Miranda@g227028204.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:07:54 *** Cornflower [~Corn@pool-71-116-168-247.lsanca.btas.verizon.net] has left #openttd [] 23:12:24 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:14:40 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 23:14:51 *** sigmund_ [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:15:56 *** Booth [~Booth@82-32-210-243.cable.ubr07.newt.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:20:03 *** mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Checking whether build environment is sane ... build environment is grinning and holding a spatula. Guess not.] 23:31:20 <Terkhen> good night 23:31:20 *** Terkhen [~ircap@50.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [] 23:31:26 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 23:33:27 *** Sacro_ [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 23:40:25 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:40:51 *** Sacro_ [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:40:59 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 23:52:24 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host81-156-74-176.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:57:05 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e176226057.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]