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00:00:19 <SmatZ> server A sees only tail of a train 00:00:27 <SmatZ> how does it know how fast should it move? 00:00:37 <TrueBrain> the train will be magicly running outside the map :) 00:00:48 <SmatZ> or how does it know if it doesn't crash? 00:00:53 <TrueBrain> well, in fact .. at that the train head leaves the map 00:00:58 <TrueBrain> it no longer has to care about the train :) 00:01:07 <SmatZ> so it whole disappears? 00:01:08 <TrueBrain> + time 00:01:12 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-60-185.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 00:01:19 <TrueBrain> it is already outside of the map from the client point of view 00:01:20 <TrueBrain> so, yes 00:01:39 <SmatZ> but how does server A know the train crashed at server B? 00:01:45 <SmatZ> it knows it one tick later 00:01:45 <TrueBrain> it doesn't need to :) 00:01:51 <TrueBrain> in those '8' tiles zones 00:02:01 <TrueBrain> all that server A does, is check for such events as crashes 00:02:01 <Sacro> a NMZ? 00:02:04 <SmatZ> but then there may be another train that would crash that train when it crashed 00:02:04 <TrueBrain> and incoming trains 00:02:18 <SmatZ> but because it crashed "one tick later", it behaves differently 00:02:29 <TrueBrain> you and your "one tick later" 00:02:33 <TrueBrain> it is wrong thinking :) 00:02:41 <SmatZ> please explain :) 00:02:44 <TrueBrain> I wish I could show you, but it takes a lot of programming time to do ;) 00:02:48 <petern> forgot fully synchronised maps 00:02:50 <petern> *forget 00:02:56 <TrueBrain> okay, train Z is coming from 17x0 on server A 00:02:59 <TrueBrain> and is running down 00:03:05 <TrueBrain> at 17x64 it is at the border of server A 00:03:14 <TrueBrain> server B in meantime was already tracking train Z when it was at 17x58 00:03:32 <TrueBrain> it magiclly appears in the 'black zone' 00:03:51 <TrueBrain> server A on the other hand, is tracking all data of server B up to 17x72 00:03:55 <TrueBrain> including trains 00:04:07 <TrueBrain> there is no way you can now have a crash, which is not registered at both server A and server B 00:04:15 <TrueBrain> given that the train is of a length max 8 (Well, say 7 to be safe) 00:04:27 <TrueBrain> when ever the head of the train passes 17x72, server A forgets about the train 00:04:36 <TrueBrain> (it already is at 17x8 on server B) 00:04:43 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-27-148-144.brnt.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 00:05:04 <SmatZ> ok, then the train stops 00:05:18 <SmatZ> and train at 17x64 crashes it's back 00:05:24 <SmatZ> server B knows about it 00:05:28 <SmatZ> but server A doesn't 00:05:32 <TrueBrain> sure, server A does too 00:05:34 <TrueBrain> why shouldn 00:05:36 <TrueBrain> t it? 00:05:40 <SmatZ> [01:04:31] <TrueBrain> when ever the head of the train passes 17x72, server A forgets about the train 00:05:50 <TrueBrain> train length of 7 tiles 00:06:01 <TrueBrain> so no way a train can crash into train Z at 17x64, when his head is past 17x72 00:06:15 <SmatZ> well 00:06:17 <TrueBrain> the math says that cna't be done ;) 00:06:40 <TrueBrain> from 17x56 up to 17x72, two servers track the same train 00:06:44 <SmatZ> you have two trains going in one direction ... first train has lower VehicleID, so its tick is executed first 00:06:45 <TrueBrain> what ever he does .. it is always safe :) 00:12:46 *** SpComb [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has joined #openttd 00:12:52 <TrueBrain> mrfrenzy: sure you can 00:12:56 <mrfrenzy> you will need two signals which means atleast half a square 00:12:56 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc1-rdng14-0-0-cust946.winn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 00:13:06 <TrueBrain> ever tried: ignore red, button? 00:13:10 <mrfrenzy> ofcourse 00:13:21 <mrfrenzy> will it catch up then you mean? 00:13:21 <TrueBrain> time it right .. use start/stop 00:13:26 <mrfrenzy> I never tried that... 00:13:30 <TrueBrain> and sure some insane idiot can time it exactly like that 00:13:36 <SmatZ> like me 00:13:42 <TrueBrain> I want to see you do that :) 00:14:02 <mrfrenzy> I volunteer to do that as soon as you got the server running TrueBrain ;) 00:14:15 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: anyway, the easiest solution is to make a correction algorithm in such rare rare cases 00:14:22 <TrueBrain> if server A says: vehicle N crashes 00:14:26 <TrueBrain> and server B says it one tick later 00:14:34 <TrueBrain> he was clearly wrong, and needs to update some info on the vehicle 00:14:40 <TrueBrain> (or say to server A: gimme the data on vehicle N) 00:15:12 <TrueBrain> anyway, one of the biggest changes this will need, is that each vehicle will need his own randomizer 00:15:25 <TrueBrain> this makes sure it makes the same choices on every client and server 00:16:07 <TrueBrain> and a big pain in the ass would be to synchronize towns over the border :) 00:16:15 <mrfrenzy> how much more network traffic would it mean to have the randomizing done on servers only instead of clients 00:16:24 <mrfrenzy> the servers only sending velocities and positions to clients 00:16:30 <mrfrenzy> and clients just sending commands to servers 00:16:35 <TrueBrain> mrfrenzy: it would get insane, the traffic :) 00:16:43 <mrfrenzy> okay 00:16:44 <TrueBrain> you have no idea the amount of data that changes every tick 00:16:57 <TrueBrain> (a big portion of the map-data alone changes, due to tree-growth and such) 00:17:04 <mrfrenzy> aah 00:17:10 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:17:16 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: but you see that that might just work out just fine? :) 00:18:03 <SmatZ> TrueBrain: everything is possible... but this is insane :) 00:18:10 <TrueBrain> how is that insane? 00:18:21 <TrueBrain> besides one very rare corner case you pointed out, it is in fact just synchronizing data 00:18:47 <TrueBrain> I do agree the servers need to be on a LAN of some sort 00:18:53 <TrueBrain> I don't want to see the bandwidth requirement for it :p 00:19:07 <SmatZ> true, you may completely ignore these corne cases :) 00:19:15 <mrfrenzy> me and a friend discussed the idea of trading trains/goods between different games 00:19:21 <TrueBrain> really... did you ever put two trains DIRECTLY after eachother? :p 00:19:37 <mrfrenzy> you just send a train across the border of the map, and then your server can forget about it 00:19:43 <mrfrenzy> then it appears on the other server 00:19:46 <TrueBrain> mrfrenzy: SimCity ;) 00:20:04 <TrueBrain> that in fact should be very easy to implement :) 00:20:08 <mrfrenzy> indeed 00:20:09 <TrueBrain> well .. maybe not 'very' easy 00:20:13 <TrueBrain> but just a matter of writing 00:20:35 <mrfrenzy> and if the client moves to the other map, it can just overlap the two maps with a small gap 00:20:35 <TrueBrain> share some kind of security code between server, so you don't allow unauthroized access :p 00:20:49 <mrfrenzy> the server doesn't need to keep track of anything except what is on his own map 00:20:51 <TrueBrain> a special type of 'rail', which act as 'toll' port 00:21:04 <TrueBrain> clients moving between servers, than you get the story above ;) 00:21:07 <TrueBrain> which is highly complicated :) 00:21:12 <mrfrenzy> yeah, then you get paid exactly when they enter the toll 00:21:15 <mrfrenzy> no 00:21:21 <TrueBrain> oh yes my friend :) 00:21:29 <mrfrenzy> the clients maintain the two maps separately 00:21:46 <TrueBrain> I doubt that is possible within the current design of OpenTTD :) 00:21:59 <mrfrenzy> only connection is that a few ticks after a train disappears on map a, it will appear on map b 00:22:08 <mrfrenzy> with some forced signals in the "toll both" 00:22:21 <mrfrenzy> so you can't make crashes until it enters your network atleast 00:22:35 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: anyway, the other related idea to this is a complete rewrite of OpenTTD :p I won't bother you with that ;) hehe :) 00:22:38 <mrfrenzy> or you could just have cargo dropoff and pickup at the borders 00:22:42 <mrfrenzy> but that wouldn't be as fun 00:22:52 <TrueBrain> moving things from one server to an other is relative easy 00:22:55 <SmatZ> TrueBrain: what about cargodest? signals? PBS? pathfinders? 00:22:59 <TrueBrain> having clients scroll one map over an other ... ;) 00:23:06 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: cargodest is a problem 00:23:15 <TrueBrain> signals is also synchronization 00:23:18 <TrueBrain> same for PBS 00:23:21 <TrueBrain> pathfinders .. hmm .. 00:23:21 *** mucht_work [~martin@p4FE22E44.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 00:23:42 <TrueBrain> never considered pathfinders 00:23:47 <TrueBrain> would require some trickery 00:24:37 <TrueBrain> there is no easy way in the current design ... 00:24:57 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-27-148-144.brnt.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 00:25:36 <SmatZ> also, the station catchemnt area and train length you mentioned is a limit :) 00:25:40 <SmatZ> town size... 00:25:55 <TrueBrain> limits there will be, but that is a small price to pay ;) 00:26:03 <TrueBrain> but pathfinder .. hmm .. 00:26:06 <SmatZ> if there is a town growing, it would be tricky if it were at border of two servers... or four... or ten... for big cities :) 00:26:07 <TrueBrain> really no easy way around it :( 00:26:31 <TrueBrain> it means you need to delegate the pathfinder request through the whole grid of servers 00:26:41 <mrfrenzy> well you will just have to disallow cities spanning borders 00:26:42 <TrueBrain> a lot of caching :p 00:26:48 <mrfrenzy> after all it's about transport not simcity 00:27:12 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: okay, I give up, it is insane ;) 00:27:37 <SmatZ> ;-) 00:27:47 *** FauxFaux_ [faux@compsoc.sunion.warwick.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 00:28:11 <TrueBrain> each server needs to keep a graph of all his border connections and stations of his part of the map, and their connection 00:28:21 <TrueBrain> including with length 00:28:38 <TrueBrain> but worst part: clients need to receive that info from the server 00:29:03 <TrueBrain> which is kind of fundamental to the current design .. that clients don't need to get data from the server to know which way a train goes ;) 00:29:27 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g226129138.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 00:29:47 <TrueBrain> so the 'quick' version of the MMO idea would be to make 'portals', where trains disapear, and magically appear in an other server (without a client being able to see that) 00:29:49 *** FauxFaux [faux@molotov.compsoc.warwick.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:30:00 <TrueBrain> can be interesting for wwottdgd ;) 00:30:05 <Tefad> wwo? 00:30:09 *** benjamingoodger [~ben@host81-153-83-31.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:30:27 <Tefad> gd? 00:30:32 <Tefad> blargh! 00:30:37 <TrueBrain> Use the Search! 00:30:41 <SmatZ> world wide ottd game day 00:31:00 <Belugas> SmatZ is too good with the creatures 00:31:11 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g226129138.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [] 00:31:14 <SmatZ> Belugas: what creatures? :) 00:31:15 <TrueBrain> would mean all servers need to run the same GRFs :) 00:31:54 <Belugas> ho, by the way, SmatZ, have you worked on the TTDPMTENN ?that seemed like a hell of a feature to me :D 00:32:14 <SmatZ> Belugas: not at all :) what does that mean? 00:32:18 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: tnx for the feedback ;) Now I go sit in a corner think of other stupid things :p :) 00:32:47 <SmatZ> TrueBrain: hehehe, I get crazy ideas sometimes too... at least I was having them when I played OTTD more often ;) 00:32:58 <TrueBrain> so play OpenTTD more often :p 00:33:15 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77D9F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:33:40 * SmatZ should sync his 3D branch (after serveral months ;) 00:33:46 <TrueBrain> hehe 00:33:46 <SmatZ> -r 00:33:55 <TrueBrain> the one with the tunnels? 00:34:10 <SmatZ> yeah, and "flying" bridges :-D 00:34:15 <TrueBrain> that was so cool :) 00:34:19 <SmatZ> :) 00:34:47 <TrueBrain> hmm .. bah .. OpenTTD is a bad design to make such MMO .. 00:35:00 <TrueBrain> I always think it stinks that most MMOs are not really 'one big world' or what ever 00:35:07 <TrueBrain> they are just grids in which you clearly move 00:35:20 <TrueBrain> like EVE .. you see when you are going to an other server 00:35:40 <SmatZ> I played only WOW 00:35:47 <TrueBrain> the same holds 00:35:50 <TrueBrain> SecondLife, same thing 00:35:59 <TrueBrain> (although slightly more transparent) 00:36:03 <SmatZ> *on a hacked server 00:36:15 <SmatZ> ... so, no going from one server to another 00:36:17 *** benjamingoodger [~ben@host81-153-83-31.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 00:36:19 <TrueBrain> hehe 00:36:53 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e179204196.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:37:12 <TrueBrain> reminds me of Earth and Beyond .. 00:37:20 <TrueBrain> I wonder how far the open source replacement is by now 00:37:21 *** benjamin_ [~ben@host81-153-83-31.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 00:37:31 <SmatZ> :) 00:37:36 <SmatZ> I don't know that one 00:37:41 <SmatZ> I know Eye of Beholder 00:37:54 <SmatZ> *the 00:38:02 <SmatZ> I would like to finish it once... 00:38:18 *** benjamin_ [~ben@host81-153-83-31.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [] 00:38:48 <SmatZ> http://devs.openttd.org/~smatz/dragon.png I finished DM in ~3 days ;) 00:38:49 <TrueBrain> so do that ;) 00:39:03 <TrueBrain> lol 00:39:08 <SmatZ> I need to code school works at first :-x 00:39:31 <TrueBrain> I am finally done with that :) 00:39:35 <TrueBrain> 2 whole weeks of nothingness 00:39:46 <SmatZ> gratz gratz :) 00:39:54 <TrueBrain> but also absolutely no idea what to do in those 2 weeks ... :p 00:40:16 <SmatZ> :-D 00:40:19 <SmatZ> nailv2 00:40:25 <TrueBrain> waiting for Rubidium :( 00:40:27 <SmatZ> have fun with girls 00:40:28 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77C11.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:40:31 <SmatZ> dance! 00:40:39 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 00:40:40 <TrueBrain> I did some dancing today 00:40:42 <TrueBrain> it was hard :( 00:40:48 <TrueBrain> some new moves were killing me! 00:41:05 <SmatZ> btw, I am going (with my girlfriend) to Holland this Summer (I hope :) 00:41:12 <TrueBrain> cool :) 00:41:13 <SmatZ> hehe, do you still have to learn? :) 00:41:25 <SmatZ> I really enjoyed my dancing lessons :) 00:41:36 <SmatZ> but after years, I really forgot most of it :( 00:41:37 <TrueBrain> yeah ... doing one of the highest classes in dances like Foxtrot and ChaCha :p 00:41:43 <SmatZ> :) 00:41:52 <TrueBrain> today he put a stick between my legs 00:42:00 <TrueBrain> and I had to finish the part without dropping it 00:42:00 <SmatZ> huh :) 00:42:01 <benjamingoodger> I'm sure he did 00:42:05 *** elmex [~elmex@e180067180.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:42:12 <TrueBrain> was a bit insane ;) 00:42:16 <SmatZ> hehe 00:42:47 <TrueBrain> but okay :) Girls .. sounds like a good plan yes :p 00:42:54 <TrueBrain> and when you come to Holland, don't forget to visit us :) 00:43:10 <SmatZ> :-) I sure won't ... if you will be home :) 00:43:16 <TrueBrain> I will make sure ;) 00:43:20 <SmatZ> :-) 00:43:28 <SmatZ> I will tell you more when I know the date ;) 00:43:33 <TrueBrain> that is fine :) 00:43:38 <TrueBrain> maybe we can arrange a little meet ;) 00:43:53 <SmatZ> would be great :) 00:44:11 <TrueBrain> my roommates decided to have a party nextdoor, instead of in the living room 00:44:12 <TrueBrain> how annoying .. 00:44:28 <TrueBrain> oh well 00:44:30 <TrueBrain> time to find my bed :) 00:44:34 <TrueBrain> tnx SmatZ, and have a good night all! 00:44:40 <SmatZ> good night, TrueBrain :) 00:44:52 <Belugas> won't be too hard, TrueBrain. follow the smell path ;) 00:45:06 <Belugas> then, surprise! the bed!! 00:45:09 * Belugas hides 00:45:26 <Belugas> in fact, /me goes down with wife and TV 00:46:00 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.226] has quit [Quit: On snow, everyone can follow your traces] 00:47:20 <SmatZ> :) 00:51:07 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet527.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 00:52:00 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5F9BC.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 00:55:50 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 00:55:52 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 01:01:12 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:03:33 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 01:14:22 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Quit: ecke] 01:15:04 *** Yeggstry is now known as Yeggzzz 01:15:37 *** DJNekkid_ [~chatzilla@77.17.107.169.tmi.telenormobil.no] has joined #openttd 01:23:08 *** DJNekkid [~chatzilla@77.17.107.169.tmi.telenormobil.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:27:03 *** De_Ghosty [~s@206-248-162-96.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:39:33 *** De_Ghosty [~s@75-119-240-243.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 01:51:41 *** rubyruy [~ruy@76-10-185-242.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Quit: Zzzz...] 02:34:40 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.226] has quit [Quit: On snow, everyone can follow your traces] 02:36:38 *** De_Ghosty [~s@75-119-240-243.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:39:01 *** De_Ghosty [~s@69-196-179-249.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 02:45:50 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-142-234.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:00:19 *** DJNekkid_ [~chatzilla@77.17.107.169.tmi.telenormobil.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:03:24 *** De_Ghosty [~s@69-196-179-249.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:03:57 *** De_Ghosty [~s@75-119-236-223.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 03:04:47 *** rubyruy [~ruy@76-10-185-242.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 03:05:44 *** Yeggzzz [~mind@cpc1-rdng14-0-0-cust946.winn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:07:37 *** FloSoft [~sifldoer@g229118205.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:08:39 *** FloSoft [~sifldoer@g229161067.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 03:14:59 *** vraa_ [~vraa@h66.69.89.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 03:19:30 *** DJNekkid [~chatzilla@77.17.107.169.tmi.telenormobil.no] has joined #openttd 03:21:03 *** vraa [~vraa@h66.69.89.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #openttd 03:30:33 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks1.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: Quit] 03:40:55 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:44:23 *** DJNekkid [~chatzilla@77.17.107.169.tmi.telenormobil.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:50:47 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet527.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:20:14 *** DJNekkid [~chatzilla@77.17.107.169.tmi.telenormobil.no] has joined #openttd 04:54:19 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has quit [Quit: http://www.interplay.com/] 04:57:38 *** rubyruy [~ruy@76-10-185-242.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Quit: Zzzz...] 05:36:55 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 05:44:08 *** Sebbe [Sebbe@x1-6-00-16-41-59-ea-88.k332.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 05:59:53 *** vraa [~vraa@h66.69.89.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 06:05:55 *** vraa [~vraa@h66.69.89.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #openttd 06:09:12 *** nfc [nfc@cable-hvk-fe7ede00-156.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: jepni] 06:26:09 *** De_Ghosty [~s@75-119-236-223.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:26:28 *** Moshe [~chatzilla@93-173-83-120.bb.netvision.net.il] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:28:08 *** De_Ghosty [~s@76-10-150-247.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 06:45:27 *** davis- [~suckyours@p5B28FC94.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:14:05 *** davis- [~suckyours@p5B28FC94.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:14:41 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has joined #openttd 07:24:52 *** Moshe [~chatzilla@87.70.150.139] has joined #openttd 07:29:29 *** gynter [~gynter@77-233-84-124.cdma.dyn.kou.ee] has joined #openttd 07:30:13 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:36:28 <dihedral> TrueBrain, nice idea ;-) 07:36:58 <dihedral> only downside would be a desync or connection issue between servers! 07:39:16 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm112.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 07:58:13 *** nfc [nfc@cable-hvk-fe7ede00-156.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 07:58:30 <SpComb> threading support on the server would be a good first step... 08:00:21 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@129.187.69.65] has joined #openttd 08:00:24 *** mode/#openttd [+o Celestar] by ChanServ 08:00:34 <Celestar> Ave \o 08:00:55 *** DASPRiD|off is now known as DASPRiD 08:01:16 *** Moshe_ [~chatzilla@89.1.92.69.dynamic.barak-online.net] has joined #openttd 08:02:17 <Forked> greetings! 08:04:13 <SpComb> you would need to simplfy stuff like setting orders on stations that are on a different map for your trains... 08:04:51 <Celestar> ? 08:05:00 <Moshe_> hello all. 08:05:03 <Moshe_> good mornning 08:05:06 <SpComb> yesterday's server-clustering silly-talk :) 08:06:18 <Celestar> morning Moshe_ 08:06:20 <Celestar> SpComb: I see (= 08:06:28 <Moshe_> =) 08:06:47 <Moshe_> how do i register my nick and use ghost :\ 08:07:03 <SpComb> /msg nickserv help 08:07:29 *** Moshe [~chatzilla@87.70.150.139] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:07:29 *** Moshe_ is now known as Moshe 08:08:16 <Moshe> good its all setup now =) 08:08:27 <Moshe> dam am out of coffe. brb 08:10:59 *** vraa [~vraa@h66.69.89.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 08:11:13 <Moshe> back 08:11:30 <Moshe> is someoen is up to a network game? i gotta test my hebrew translations... 08:13:23 <Moshe> i guess no one. 08:13:37 <Moshe> well ima check the servers list 08:13:48 *** Moshe is now known as Moshe-Away 08:14:32 *** Moshe-Away is now known as Moshe 08:14:46 <Moshe> what 08:14:53 *** Moshe is now known as Moshe-Away 08:16:56 <Moshe-Away> no one is using the nighlys :\ 08:17:53 <Aali> Moshe-Away: try the auto-nightly 08:18:07 <Moshe-Away> says its needs password 08:18:15 <Moshe-Away> thanks Aali 08:18:44 <Moshe-Away> wierd the servers list in the site says it dosent locked 08:19:00 <Moshe-Away> and when i try to connect my client asks for a password 08:19:11 <Aali> it should not be password protected 08:19:20 <Aali> companies may be, though 08:19:22 <Moshe-Away> really maybe wrong one letmme try again 08:19:43 <Moshe-Away> ohh maybe thats was the problem 08:20:29 <Moshe-Away> i guess thats was it, thanks alot. 08:31:19 *** taytay [~tcohen@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #openttd 08:32:21 *** vraa [~vraa@h66.69.89.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #openttd 08:32:54 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 08:42:03 *** Moshe-Away_ [~chatzilla@89.1.49.39.dynamic.barak-online.net] has joined #openttd 08:45:28 *** Moshe-Away [~chatzilla@89.1.92.69.dynamic.barak-online.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:45:41 *** Moshe-Away_ is now known as Moshe-Away 08:47:04 *** Moshe-Away is now known as Moshe 09:00:22 <gynter> http://fukung.net/v/823/internetlingo.jpg 09:02:09 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5D12E.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 09:02:21 <Gekz> I read that as internet gyno :< 09:07:11 <Sacro> i'm no expert but i'll have a poke around 09:08:19 *** kloopy [kloopy@kloopy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:23:54 *** Aali_ [~aali@84-217-26-137.tn.glocalnet.net] has joined #openttd 09:25:44 *** Aali [~aali@84-217-25-3.tn.glocalnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:33:39 *** FauxFaux_ is now known as FauxFaux 09:33:39 *** DJNekkid [~chatzilla@77.17.107.169.tmi.telenormobil.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:39:30 *** DJNekkid [~chatzilla@77.16.74.35.tmi.telenormobil.no] has joined #openttd 09:48:10 *** DJNekkid [~chatzilla@77.16.74.35.tmi.telenormobil.no] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.4/2008102920]] 10:00:26 <ccfreak2k> The ebaumsworld watermark makes it even funnier! 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In fact, I think my £30 "smart"phone is, by clock speed. :p 13:24:07 *** sigmund [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 13:24:47 <FauxFaux> Heh, 200MHz OMAP 730. 13:25:21 <petern> hmm, i'm using an e71 now 13:25:58 *** sigmund_ [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:28:03 *** ecke [~ecke@pc151-197.upce.cz] has joined #openttd 13:28:49 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B810B8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:30:41 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B808ED.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 13:30:41 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 13:54:26 *** core [~core@chello089074185107.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 13:54:32 <core> hi 13:56:38 *** ecke [~ecke@pc151-197.upce.cz] has quit [Quit: ecke] 14:02:29 <core> I've got a problem... so... well - I'm transporting passengers from city to city, so i place train stations so they are accepting passengers and I'm making a train transporting them... After some time I'm geting billans window and there is no incomming from this train. But when I click on train it says it gives me a lot of money. So I'm asking what is wrong!? Every else transports looks working fine... So just passengers. Sorry for my english. 14:02:34 *** ecke [~ecke@pc151-197.upce.cz] has joined #openttd 14:02:55 <Aali> core: you're using transfer orders 14:03:01 <core> yup 14:03:16 <Aali> ... 14:03:19 <core> Is it wrong? 14:03:22 <Aali> YES 14:06:33 <core> ok it works... 14:07:38 <core> Thank you very much... And sorry for troubling you ^^' 14:08:09 *** Moshe [~chatzilla@89-139-193-15.bb.netvision.net.il] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:08:23 *** core [~core@chello089074185107.chello.pl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:09:39 <petern> right 14:09:49 <petern> i just cobbled together an email to xmpp system, heh 14:23:08 <TrueBrain> and I seem to fail to simply downsize an image .. 14:23:18 <TrueBrain> somehow that is segfaulting :( 14:24:03 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B808ED.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: icebears... take care of them!] 14:27:03 *** jong [~jong@flipflip.student.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 14:28:02 <TrueBrain> finally ... lol 14:32:35 *** ecke [~ecke@pc151-197.upce.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:32:49 <Celestar> heh 14:32:58 * Celestar is looking forward to working on cargodest v2 :D 14:33:24 <TrueBrain> first finish v1 ;) 14:33:39 <Celestar> I am on it :D 14:38:12 <jong> Celestar: what are your ideas there? 14:38:35 <Celestar> jong: route load balancing and a better generator for the destinations 14:40:17 <jong> Celestar: maybe... you want to look at (gimme a moment) 14:41:14 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 14:41:17 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 14:42:01 <jong> Celestar: http://87.230.22.228/doc/bips/lib/edge_finder/index.html 14:42:57 <Celestar> jong: explain :D 14:44:36 <jong> Celestar: it's part of the eclipse prolog package... one could make a graph (like you did), and given sources and sinks, determine the best possible way of moving through this network (given the capacities of the nodes themselves), it is possible to find these kind of 'schedules' with sth like Eclipse 14:45:51 <jong> Celestar: when scheduling passengers like this, they will also consider the relative resistance of certain modes of transport (for example, when there are just not enough trains moving the goods around) and take another route instead 14:46:35 <jong> Celestar: although it should be possible to solve it with such an edge finder, there is a better eclipse package available, but I can't seem to find it 14:52:53 <jong> anyways, maybe you want to give it a look, it might be an interesting way to solve the cargodest problem 14:52:59 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 14:53:04 <jong> I really have to go now, if you have any questions, send me an email 14:55:35 *** ecke [~ecke@pc151-197.upce.cz] has joined #openttd 14:55:42 *** DorpsGek is now known as Guest775 14:55:48 *** DorpsGek [truebrain@openttd.org] has joined #openttd 14:55:51 *** mode/#openttd [+o DorpsGek] by ChanServ 14:58:25 *** Guest775 [truebrain@openttd.org] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:05:11 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 15:05:40 *** ecke [~ecke@pc151-197.upce.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:07:39 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BF14.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:11:17 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:13:38 *** fjb [~frank@p5485F1ED.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:18:21 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks1.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 15:18:42 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... i'm afraid i skipped phase 3 of life... people keep telling me i look like santa claus 15:18:58 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause2: nobody defined the order in which they should come ;) 15:19:27 <Eddi|zuHause2> i thought the numbering implied a sequence 15:21:47 <Celestar> jong: I'll have a look in a few days 15:27:43 *** Zorn [zorn@f054002078.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 15:35:07 *** Zorni [zorn@e177231235.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:36:46 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g226129138.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 15:36:58 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226129138.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:36:58 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 15:39:43 <Eddi|zuHause2> anyone ever considered stations as package facilities? like you put cargo into containers, and then the containers on wagons or ships, not caring about what is in the container? 15:40:29 <petern> "goods" 15:40:44 <Celestar> yeah exactly 15:41:17 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, yes, but you cannot make up complicated industry chains of "goods" 15:42:20 <Eddi|zuHause2> similarly, passengers should be divided into subgroups, so they'll be Passengers (Workers), Passengers (Tourists), ... instead of different cargos 15:43:10 <Eddi|zuHause2> (where workers and tourists have totally different mechanisms of choosing travelling targets) 15:43:27 <Eddi|zuHause2> (but eventually end up taking the same vehicle) 15:43:51 <TrueBrain> code it! :p 15:44:08 <Celestar> who cares about it being subgroups or different cargoIDs? 15:44:27 <Eddi|zuHause2> the vehicle cares 15:44:41 <Eddi|zuHause2> a vehicle refitted to tourists cannot transport workers? stupid idea 15:45:10 <Celestar> vehicles can take several kinds of cargo 15:45:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> not that i know of 15:45:36 <Celestar> some in the DBSet can, can't they? 15:45:41 <Celestar> like Ore and Coal or so 15:45:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> the only vehicles that can take two cargos are planes, and that is because they are two vehicles internally 15:45:54 <Eddi|zuHause2> yes, but not at the same time 15:46:07 <Eddi|zuHause2> they have to be refitted to one or the other 15:47:36 <Eddi|zuHause2> just imagine a cargodest game with tourists... on each city network you have, you will have to run two kinds of trams, one refitted for passengers, and one refitted for tourists 15:48:05 *** fjb [~frank@p5485F1ED.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:48:12 <Celestar> it's easier to allow a vehicle just to carry multiple cargos I think 15:49:16 <Eddi|zuHause2> so you'll end up with a tram taking 20 passengers and 20 tourists, and if there are no tourists, but 40 passengers, they won't fill the seats? 15:49:26 <Eddi|zuHause2> not an ideal solution either 15:49:28 <Celestar> no 15:49:42 <Celestar> a tram can carry 40 worker or 40 tourists or any combination thereof 15:50:22 <Eddi|zuHause2> that might work, but then comes the next problem 15:50:43 <Eddi|zuHause2> an open wagon should be able to carry 30t coal or 30t ore, but not any combination 15:50:55 <Celestar> O_o .. add a flag? 15:51:17 <TrueBrain> EXCLUSIVE! 15:51:24 <Celestar> is_exclusive_cargo 15:51:39 <Eddi|zuHause2> means, as long as it is empty, it should be able to load either, but as soon as 1t of coal is in it, it should only add coal 15:51:59 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 15:52:37 <Eddi|zuHause> next problem is newgrf, how do you extend the existing specification (refit masks) to handle multiple cargos simultaneously? 15:52:52 * Celestar raises a hand and points to peter 15:53:29 <Eddi|zuHause> surely, an open wagon refitted to grain should never load ore and coal 15:53:37 <Celestar> er .. 15:53:42 <Celestar> it's not Jet A-1, it's grain 15:54:20 <Eddi|zuHause> a wagon refitted for fuel oil should not load milk and v.v. 15:54:31 <Celestar> A wagon that carries Jet A-1 mustn't carry anything else, not even Jet A. 15:54:42 *** taytay [~tcohen@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:55:34 <Celestar> how about this. cargo of class CC_PASSENGER, CC_MAIL, CC_ARMOURED can be mixed, the rest not? 15:55:47 <TrueBrain> image = filterLatitudeScale(image); 15:55:47 <TrueBrain> image = filterReadRaw(image); 15:55:47 <TrueBrain> image = filterLatitude(image); 15:55:47 <TrueBrain> image = filterRescale(image, 1024); 15:55:51 <TrueBrain> woesh .. getting there :) 15:56:14 <Celestar> I gotta go 15:56:15 <Eddi|zuHause> imho, mail and goods should be able to get mixed for small branch lines 15:56:18 <Celestar> CU later/tomorrow 15:56:43 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@129.187.69.65] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:56:50 <Eddi|zuHause> the dbset simulates that by allowing the small goods wagon to be refitted to mail, but it just isn't the same... 15:57:18 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:57:22 <Eddi|zuHause> on that note... we should have railtypes with speedlimits 15:57:51 <TrueBrain> write a plan! 15:57:54 <TrueBrain> write a plan! 15:57:56 <TrueBrain> hmm 15:57:58 <TrueBrain> wrong screen 15:58:26 <Eddi|zuHause> 60, 80, 120, 160, 220, 350km/h [exponentially expensive] 15:58:45 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 15:59:20 <Eddi|zuHause> each one in an electrified and unelectrified version 16:02:05 <TrueBrain> [latitudeScale] Initial region (left: 3.26, bottom: 51.00, width: 3.00, height: 3.00). 16:02:05 <TrueBrain> [readRaw] Reading region (left: 2.21, bottom: 51.00, width: 5.10, height: 3.00). 16:02:05 <TrueBrain> [readRaw] Loading 2 HMP file(s). 16:02:05 <TrueBrain> [latitude] Correcting image of size 3062x1800; new size will be 1800x1800. 16:02:05 <TrueBrain> [rescale] Rescaling image of size 1800x1800; new size will be 1024x1024. 16:02:06 <TrueBrain> [png] Writing image of size 1024x1024 to 'test.png'. 16:02:08 <TrueBrain> almost there .. 16:02:12 <Eddi|zuHause> spam! 16:02:24 <TrueBrain> in the shop 16:02:52 <Eddi|zuHause> you convert the resolution twice? 16:03:09 <TrueBrain> kind of; but not in the way you suggest 16:03:53 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm112.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:04:40 <TrueBrain> first one is a latitude scale, the other is a rescale 16:10:22 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 16:16:45 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm112.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 16:22:35 <TrueBrain> hmm .. if I did this correct, and I think I did ... 16:22:42 <TrueBrain> the Netherlands is around 25 meters below sea level .. 16:22:47 <TrueBrain> which is something I doubt .. 16:24:02 *** DorpsGek [truebrain@openttd.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:24:08 *** DorpsGek [truebrain@openttd.org] has joined #openttd 16:24:10 *** mode/#openttd [+o DorpsGek] by ChanServ 16:25:02 <Eddi|zuHause> that sounds a little much, indeed 16:25:19 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe you took the wrong sea level? 16:25:50 <TrueBrain> hmm 16:25:52 <TrueBrain> you ahve a good point there 16:25:54 <TrueBrain> well, not in that way 16:26:01 <TrueBrain> but .. I scaled the normal heights from 0 to 15 16:26:05 <TrueBrain> where .. 0 is sea :p 16:26:08 <TrueBrain> should be 1 to 15 of course 16:26:34 <TrueBrain> much better :) 16:26:35 <TrueBrain> tnx Eddi|zuHause :) 16:26:50 *** Zeal [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 16:27:41 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:27:55 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 16:28:37 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 16:28:49 <TrueBrain> http://devs.openttd.org/~truebrain/mapgen/image011.png 16:28:57 <TrueBrain> that is how much of The Netherlands is below sea level :) 16:31:05 <petern> useful 16:32:10 <TrueBrain> now I wonder if that file is already loadable in OpenTTD .. 16:32:30 *** Zealotus [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:32:39 <TrueBrain> I am afraid the palette size if wrong .. 16:34:13 <TrueBrain> haha, yes, it looks wrong :p Lol :) 16:41:41 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@192.87.217.56] has quit [Quit: COCKBUSTER SLEEP MODE] 16:44:55 *** Kloopy [kloopy@kloopy.com] has joined #openttd 16:47:29 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.179.103] has joined #openttd 16:48:03 <TrueBrain> http://devs.openttd.org/~truebrain/mapgen/image012.png <- thisone you can load in OpenTTD :) 16:48:49 * Rubidium is happy to see that he wouldn't drown ;) 16:49:22 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fc95d.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 16:53:03 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:57:01 *** Moshe [~chatzilla@89-139-193-15.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #openttd 16:57:20 <Moshe> sup all 16:59:53 *** sigmund_ [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 16:59:55 <TrueBrain> making a good map of The Netherlands is impossible :p 17:00:03 <TrueBrain> parts that should be water are just 1 M below sealevel 17:00:11 <TrueBrain> parts that shouldn't be water are 4 M below sealevel .. :p 17:00:23 <TrueBrain> nevertheless: http://devs.openttd.org/~truebrain/mapgen/image013.png 17:01:43 *** sigmund [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:06:17 *** DASPRiD is now known as DASPRiD|off 17:09:55 <Eddi|zuHause> use canals/rivers as seashore? 17:10:55 <TrueBrain> I still need a good database of rivers and stuff 17:11:00 <TrueBrain> same as country borders 17:11:03 <TrueBrain> last time I tried VMAP0 17:11:12 <TrueBrain> but .. that dataset has none-closed vectors 17:11:24 <TrueBrain> so you have 'leaking' rivers, flooding the whole country :p 17:12:33 <FauxFaux> OSM? 17:25:36 <benjamingoodger> OSM would seem to have very poor river coverage 17:28:48 *** Reemo [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0CE43.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:28:58 <FauxFaux> OSM's quality varies greatly by area, as with any user contributed data. :) 17:32:31 *** Mortal is now known as Guest788 17:32:33 *** mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 17:39:25 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.174.102] has joined #openttd 17:39:44 *** Guest788 [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:43:17 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 17:44:15 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.179.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:49:04 *** rubyruy [~ruy@76-10-185-242.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 17:55:31 <TrueBrain> OSM, online soccer manager... 17:55:32 <TrueBrain> lol 17:56:25 <Prof_Frink> OpenStreetMap, SillyBrain 17:57:29 <TrueBrain> not really a database I can access in a simple way .. 17:58:35 <TrueBrain> ah, they do have an API .. 17:59:55 *** mortal is now known as Guest794 17:59:57 *** mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 18:01:24 <FauxFaux> You can also download the entire thing as postgis or xml. 18:01:30 <FauxFaux> Or countries etc. 18:02:08 <TrueBrain> somehow I don't think download 306M elements is such a good idea ;) 18:03:05 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:04:44 <TrueBrain> wow, the API interfaces are VERY slow ... omg .. 18:06:28 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 18:06:35 <thingwath> ah, OSM, my favorite example of XML misuse 18:07:04 *** Guest794 [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:07:35 <TrueBrain> I can't find a method to localte a country .. 18:07:47 <TrueBrain> it can only locate towns or streets or .. who gives a damn about the rest :p 18:07:54 <thingwath> I don't know if there is any 18:08:48 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host121-194-dynamic.58-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 18:08:59 <Wolf01> hello 18:09:14 <FauxFaux> I have to admit, it is hillarious xml misuse. 18:09:17 <thingwath> http://www.fi.muni.cz/~xbarto11/railways.ps 18:09:46 <thingwath> this is from OSM 18:10:20 <FauxFaux> Eew, ps. 18:10:44 <thingwath> any better format for vector graphics? 18:10:59 <Rubidium> svg? 18:11:04 <FauxFaux> Well, we are talking of xml abuse, svg, pdf, etc. 18:11:51 <FauxFaux> I'm mainly whining as I don't have anything that renders ps. :p 18:11:52 <thingwath> I didn't try SVG 18:11:54 <thingwath> but... 18:11:56 <Wolf01> hey devs, are you planning to have holidays for the entire week? I think I found another bug, or maybe it's the same of the other time which I thought it was fixed 18:12:18 <TrueBrain> damn, osm really is slow .. 18:12:19 <thingwath> there are like ten thousand lines, SVG viewer would just die, I think 18:12:24 <TrueBrain> exporting takes about 30 seconds .. 18:13:09 <thingwath> FauxFaux: it's just "map" of railway lines in the czech republic, not really interesting 18:13:14 <Wolf01> I'm trying to send ships to depots with "go to nearest depot" order, but seem it is really impossible to add it at any point of the list 18:13:14 <TrueBrain> any other databases for things like country borders, and rivers? 18:13:27 <TrueBrain> (and if possible: roads too ;)) 18:13:33 <thingwath> and OSM doesn't offer much metadata 18:13:36 <FauxFaux> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:World_map_pol_2005_v02.svg ? 18:14:08 <TrueBrain> not really a database ;) 18:14:18 <FauxFaux> So picky! :p 18:14:33 <TrueBrain> I like to auto-generate images 18:14:38 <TrueBrain> not ... well .. manually insert them :p 18:16:06 <FauxFaux> (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/14/Mahuri.svg makes inkscape so horribly sad.) 18:16:50 <thingwath> That world map doesn't contain any metadata :-/ 18:17:07 <thingwath> Just paths... 18:17:13 <FauxFaux> Countries and the names of said countries, rite? 18:17:33 <thingwath> How can I know, that some path is border of some country? 18:18:44 <TrueBrain> so .. VMAP0 it has to be .. 18:18:45 <TrueBrain> bah 18:20:45 * FauxFaux shrugs. 18:21:56 <TrueBrain> worst part is, that it means I have to read into OGDI again :s 18:29:27 *** sulai [~Miranda@p5B2B4F1F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:34:28 <TrueBrain> I hate bandwidth trottling .. then your download goes at 20 mbit/sec ... and all of a sudden falls to 1 kbit/sec ... then after N seconds it goes up to 20 mbit/sec again, etc etc 18:36:58 *** mortal is now known as Guest802 18:36:59 *** mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 18:37:42 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm112.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:42:49 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc1-rdng14-0-0-cust946.winn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 18:44:03 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:44:12 *** Guest802 [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:45:23 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r14667 /trunk/src/lang/ (5 files in 2 dirs): 18:45:23 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2008-12-11 18:45:04 18:45:23 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: arabic_egypt - 1207 fixed by khaloofah (1207) 18:45:23 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: indonesian - 30 fixed by fanioz (30) 18:45:23 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: malay - 21 fixed by Syed (21) 18:45:25 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: portuguese - 52 fixed, 3 changed by rmrebelo (55) 18:50:27 *** FR^2 [frr@oscar.frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 18:51:23 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 18:56:56 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.187.223] has joined #openttd 18:56:56 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.174.102] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:02:46 <TrueBrain> so Eddi|zuHause, how is your patch for your idea going? ;) 19:05:31 *** DASPRiD|off is now known as DASPRiD 19:07:40 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g226129138.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 19:07:40 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226129138.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:07:40 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 19:09:05 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 19:10:50 <Eddi|zuHause> as if i had time for that... 19:18:08 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g226129138.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 19:18:08 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226129138.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:18:08 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 19:18:12 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc 0**0 19:18:12 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 1 19:18:24 <Eddi|zuHause> very interesting... 19:19:06 <frosch123> @calc -1**1.5 19:19:06 <DorpsGek> frosch123: -i 19:19:25 <frosch123> :o 19:21:07 <Eddi|zuHause> now that is cool ;) 19:21:33 <frosch123> @calc (-1)**1.5 19:21:33 <DorpsGek> frosch123: -i 19:21:47 <Forked> @calc 0/0 19:21:47 <DorpsGek> Forked: Error: float division 19:21:54 * Forked floats 19:22:23 * frosch123 should better not trust dorpsgek too much 19:23:50 <Forked> I keep reading "DropsGeek" .. and think it's possibly a bully-bot 19:24:14 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g226151116.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 19:26:18 *** vraa [~vraa@h66.69.89.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 19:27:55 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226129138.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:27:55 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 19:29:45 <TrueBrain> out of diskspace .. brr 19:30:35 <TrueBrain> it requires 120+ GiB to work with mapgen .. lol :) 19:31:52 <TrueBrain> libogdi creates two binaries called 'example1' and 'example2' 19:31:53 <TrueBrain> :s 19:35:33 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 19:35:43 <TrueBrain> hi Yexo :) 19:35:47 <TrueBrain> how nice to see you again :) 19:35:50 <Yexo> hello TrueBrain 19:36:17 <Yexo> been busy the last weeks, so not much time for openttd 19:41:07 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:44:07 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 19:50:07 <Eddi|zuHause> argh... i hate databases... 19:50:19 <Eddi|zuHause> i can't tell it "just fucking do what i want" 19:51:21 *** rubyruy [~ruy@76-10-185-242.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Quit: Zzzz...] 19:51:42 <TrueBrain> Yexo: shut happens :) 19:55:24 <TrueBrain> grr .. ogdi can't read vmap0 data out of the box .. you need to rename files like 'cat' to 'cat.' .... 20:00:05 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B841A2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:00:05 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 20:00:11 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 20:05:11 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:08:50 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 20:11:10 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet596.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 20:13:01 <TrueBrain> and 'cat.' is an invalid name over CIFS .. sigh ... 20:16:33 *** Moshe [~chatzilla@89-139-193-15.bb.netvision.net.il] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.4/2008102920]] 20:16:52 *** Sebbe [Sebbe@x1-6-00-16-41-59-ea-88.k332.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 20:17:00 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 20:23:53 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:34:39 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.186.33] has joined #openttd 20:35:47 *** HerzogDeXtEr2 [~Flex@89.246.204.46] has joined #openttd 20:38:25 *** Zorni [zorn@f054002078.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 20:40:59 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.187.223] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:42:02 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fc95d.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:42:40 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.186.33] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:45:40 *** Zorn [zorn@f054002078.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:46:22 *** vraa [~vraa@h66.69.89.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #openttd 20:46:44 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g226151116.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 20:51:53 *** HerzogDeXtEr2 [~Flex@89.246.204.46] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:52:58 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-3-249-44.glfd.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 20:53:37 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226151116.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:53:37 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 20:57:57 <Sacro> Any VS gurus here? 21:00:16 <Eddi|zuHause> why do i have ru.wikipedia in my browser history? 21:00:55 <Sacro> Anyone? 21:01:02 <Wolf01> better than having pr0n sites 21:01:05 <Sacro> Also, I thoguht OpenTTD had bitmaps in the VS project... 21:01:31 <Eddi|zuHause> in media/? 21:01:40 <Sacro> I don't see those in the VS project 21:02:05 <Eddi|zuHause> in some .rc file? 21:02:25 <Sacro> Hmm, there are two ico files 21:02:37 <Sacro> I want to work out how to copy bitmaps from the Resources into the binary dir 21:04:07 <Sacro> I can do it just fine in C# 21:04:10 <Sacro> but not in C+++ 21:05:44 *** Sebbe [Sebbe@x1-6-00-16-41-59-ea-88.k332.webspeed.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:06:47 *** Terkhen [~ircap@147.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 21:06:57 <Terkhen> hello :) 21:09:25 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-60-185.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:09:52 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 21:14:28 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:15:49 <Sacro> glx: are you around? 21:16:48 *** George_ [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:23:19 *** FR^2 [frr@oscar.frquadrat.de] has quit [Quit: Connection reset by caffein depletion...] 21:24:04 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 21:28:09 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 21:37:59 *** KritiK [~Maxim@89-178-89-145.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 21:38:18 *** FloSoft [~sifldoer@g229161067.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:43:29 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-3-249-44.glfd.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:52:25 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-13-21-82.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 21:59:10 <Wolf01> 'night 21:59:14 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host121-194-dynamic.58-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:02:03 <glx> Sacro: why? 22:05:27 *** davis- [~suckyours@p5B28E7CE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:06:32 <Sacro> glx: I've figured out the custom build stuff, but now fopen isn't working 22:06:41 <Sacro> fopen("file.bmp", "rb"); 22:06:53 <Sacro> but it always returns null when debugging wtih VS 22:06:56 <glx> what do you want exactly? 22:07:03 <Sacro> but seems to laod fine when running the binary 22:07:10 <Sacro> which makes debugging impossible 22:12:53 *** FloSoft [~sifldoer@g230003197.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 22:19:50 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc sqrt(120**2+62**2) 22:19:50 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 135.070352039 22:20:06 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc sqrt(120**2+62**2)/120*62 22:20:06 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 69.7863485536 22:21:38 <benjamingoodger> 0.0 22:21:50 <benjamingoodger> @calc meaning of life 22:21:50 <DorpsGek> benjamingoodger: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1) 22:21:54 <benjamingoodger> *tut* 22:23:13 <Prof_Frink> @calc ultimate answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe and everything 22:23:14 <DorpsGek> Prof_Frink: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1) 22:23:33 <Eddi|zuHause> Prof_Frink: this is not the google calculator 22:24:29 <benjamingoodger> Eddi|zuHause: that's what I was *tut*ing about 22:24:42 <Prof_Frink> @calc e**(i*pi)+1 22:24:42 <DorpsGek> Prof_Frink: 0 22:25:04 <benjamingoodger> would make more sense to pipe it through the google 22:25:06 <Eddi|zuHause> that one is simple ;) 22:26:20 <benjamingoodger> @calc 12kg in lb 22:26:20 <DorpsGek> benjamingoodger: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1) 22:26:25 <benjamingoodger> foolish 22:26:38 *** spion_ [~thomas@212-183-48-101.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 22:26:46 <TrueBrain> stop toying with DorpsGek .. take it to a pm with him .. 22:27:02 <Eddi|zuHause> benjamingoodger: i'd presume it's getting piped into the eval() function of the next best scripting language available 22:27:11 <Prof_Frink> It's 10:27pm. Is that pm enough? 22:27:18 <benjamingoodger> heh, can I quote you on that? 22:27:20 <Eddi|zuHause> why waste net traffic contacting google? 22:28:02 <TrueBrain> and @calc is a wrapper around 'bc' 22:28:08 <benjamingoodger> why waste net traffic using a bot, and communicating this to everyone in the room, when you have that scripting language on localhost? 22:28:26 <Eddi|zuHause> because this channel is accessed faster? 22:29:01 <Eddi|zuHause> normally i'd use the maple bot on the other channel, but that is not available 24/7 22:29:17 <benjamingoodger> by speed, yes, but not by volume. the effort required to communicate a message to 106 computers is surely larger than that between 2 22:29:41 <Eddi|zuHause> but each client only sends one message 22:29:50 <Eddi|zuHause> the other traffic is for the irc servers to handle 22:30:10 <benjamingoodger> ok, then, let's divide by 2 and add on the number of IRC servers... 22:30:17 <benjamingoodger> hmm, still more than 2, I think 22:31:22 <Eddi|zuHause> you should differentiate: effort of me, effort of my computer/line, effort of the other's computer/line, and effort of the rest of the world 22:31:34 <Eddi|zuHause> [priority in that order] 22:32:14 <benjamingoodger> o.o 22:32:24 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g226151116.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 22:32:29 <benjamingoodger> you know what, I think I'm just going to stop talking. seems easier 22:32:32 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226151116.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:32:32 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 22:36:05 <glx> @calc i**2 22:36:05 <DorpsGek> glx: -1 22:39:24 *** Nite_Owl_ [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-60-185.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 22:40:38 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-60-185.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:40:50 *** Nite_Owl_ is now known as Nite_Owl 22:44:18 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-13-21-82.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:47:23 *** Mark [~M4rk@5351EC68.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- IRC with a difference] 22:48:20 *** spion_ [~thomas@212-183-48-101.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 22:53:29 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-13-32-31.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 23:14:16 *** sigmund [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 23:16:03 *** sigmund_ [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:16:35 <svippery> glx: Does DorpsGek use Python syntax? 23:18:14 <glx> it's a pybot IIRC 23:18:25 <Eddi|zuHause> svippery: if you read a few lines back, you'd read that it uses bc as backend 23:37:08 *** mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Checking whether build environment is sane ... build environment is grinning and holding a spatula. 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