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00:06:00 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:24:32 *** ARock [R.Rock@xdsl-87-78-216-182.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 00:26:58 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CA39.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:27:39 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has quit [Quit: byebye reedy!] 00:27:39 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:30:50 *** OwenS [~OwenS@host86-128-252-186.range86-128.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:32:33 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Quit: Operator, give me an exit] 00:32:50 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77DC2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:33:09 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77C0F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:33:28 <Wolf01> 'night 00:33:32 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host105-233-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 00:44:59 <tokai> Eddi|zuHause: hmm.. a picture from my town ;) 00:45:11 <Eddi|zuHause> tokai: yes, i know ;) 00:46:47 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:52:47 *** xahodo [~xahodo@xahodo.demon.nl] has joined #openttd 00:53:00 <xahodo> Hello 00:54:37 <xahodo> I've bumped in a problem: a savegame complains about missing grf's... and then doesn't tell me which grf it misses. :( 00:56:20 <xahodo> Catch is: I've got all the newgrf's needed. 00:56:55 <Eddi|zuHause> when you load the game, you can open the newgrf setting window 00:57:21 <xahodo> errr... load game -> crash 00:57:21 <Eddi|zuHause> it will show green icons for correct grfs, yellow icons for grfs of different version and red icons for missing grfs 00:58:30 <Eddi|zuHause> err... crash is not nice... can you update to tonight's nigtly? it should fail more gracefully ;) 00:58:52 <xahodo> This is what I get: http://pastebin.com/m70e2209 00:59:14 <xahodo> And here's the savegame: http://senduit.com/9b7d7c 00:59:37 <xahodo> I'm on current trunk. 00:59:47 <xahodo> sorry: head 01:00:50 <Eddi|zuHause> öhm... could you load the savegame before? is it one of your savegames? 01:01:48 <xahodo> It's a savegame I'm currently playing with a friend. 01:02:14 <xahodo> I'm going to check the previous nightly now. 01:02:16 <Eddi|zuHause> so when was the last time you could load the savegame? 01:03:39 *** mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Checking whether build environment is sane ... build environment is grinning and holding a spatula. Guess not.] 01:03:46 <xahodo> Well, this is a network game. This is what the server passed me for a savegame. 01:04:09 <xahodo> i.e. log-in download 01:05:14 <xahodo> r 14757 gives the same problem. 01:06:40 <Eddi|zuHause> then fetch the data/newgrf folder of your friend, and put it into your data folder 01:07:15 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 01:07:19 <xahodo> Done that, I am now trying to compare MD5's. 01:07:27 <xahodo> *comparing 01:07:55 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:13:21 <Eddi|zuHause> "This usually takes about 10 minutes (from around 1am UTC to 1.10am)" <- that's totally a lie 01:13:59 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83EDB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:15:42 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83F58.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 01:15:45 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 01:15:50 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@user-54466794.lns4-c12.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:20:27 *** darks [~darks@124.161.79.236] has joined #openttd 01:24:23 <darks> Rubidium: i found why there is the problem about non-latin, exactly is the problem about CJK. 01:26:43 <xahodo> Another note about the savegame: prior to the save a company was deleted (the company hasn't built anything) and currently depots built by the third player can't be removed by anyone. 01:27:45 *** sigmund [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 01:28:33 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-68-14.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:29:27 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, there was some change about deleted companies recently 01:29:34 *** sigmund_ [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:30:56 <xahodo> The third player was the player owning the deleted company (he decided to join the already present company). 01:31:49 <Eddi|zuHause> @openttd commit 14750 01:31:50 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: Commit by rubidium :: r14750 trunk/src/economy.cpp (2008-12-26 21:49:00 UTC) 01:31:51 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: -Fix [FS#1993]: in an MP game in SP mode no company would go bankrupt. Furthermore companies that passed the "bankrupt" period (4 quarters) wouldn't go bankrupt when loading the game back in MP. Now any company that is in MP or not "currently controlled by the player" in SP will bankrupt. 01:32:44 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe related to that? 01:33:04 <Eddi|zuHause> could you try nightly from before? 01:33:15 <xahodo> which rev would that be? 01:33:50 <Eddi|zuHause> how should i know... 01:34:58 <xahodo> wait... I'll just try a revision before your commit :) 01:36:27 <xahodo> wasn't there a savegame bump in the meantime? 01:37:15 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't know 01:37:28 <Eddi|zuHause> haven't seen a commit message telling there was one 01:37:34 <xahodo> r14749: openttd: /home/xander/dev/openttd/trunk/src/train_cmd.cpp:272: void TrainConsistChanged(Vehicle*, bool): Assertion `u->First() == v' failed. 01:37:59 <Eddi|zuHause> then i can't help you 01:38:04 <Eddi|zuHause> possibly make a bug report 01:38:17 <xahodo> ok 01:46:04 *** ARock [R.Rock@xdsl-87-78-216-182.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:46:43 *** ARock [R.Rock@xdsl-87-78-211-125.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 01:47:01 *** ARock [R.Rock@xdsl-87-78-211-125.netcologne.de] has quit [] 01:47:54 <darks> Is there any CJK(Chinese Japanese Korean) player? 01:48:59 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.170.91] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:49:00 <darks> Is there any CJK(Chinese Japanese Korean) player? A problem about the CJK characters typing.... 01:53:18 <Eddi|zuHause> darks: i fear that this is not the best place to ask such exotic questions, you could try the forum. and i am sure there are japanese tt forums 01:53:51 <Eddi|zuHause> the vast majority of people here are european 01:54:34 <darks> Eddi|zuHause: thx. Should I post this problem in the forum named OpenTTD Problem ? 01:54:46 <darks> Eddi|zuHause: ok 01:55:17 <Eddi|zuHause> you can also state your problem at bugs.openttd.org 01:55:23 <Eddi|zuHause> with as much detail as possible 01:56:35 <darks> Eddi|zuHause: ok...I will try it.thx 02:09:39 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has joined #openttd 02:15:27 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:41:21 *** CIA-2 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has quit [] 02:41:23 *** CIA-6 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #openttd 03:01:01 *** De_Ghosty [~s@69-196-143-134.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:01:11 *** De_Ghosty [~s@75-119-224-236.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 03:04:38 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 03:09:12 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.170.91] has joined #openttd 03:37:06 *** snorre [~snorre@cF6FC00C3.dhcp.bluecom.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:49:12 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.170.91] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:55:03 *** Yeggstry is now known as Yeggzzz 03:58:33 *** CIA-6 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:00:56 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 04:00:56 *** elmex [~elmex@e180064163.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:02:26 *** elmex [~elmex@e180068254.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 04:06:39 *** darks [~darks@124.161.79.236] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:17:56 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm127.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 04:22:31 *** darks [~darks@124.161.79.60] has joined #openttd 04:57:19 *** CIA-2 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #openttd 04:58:06 *** Hoju [~jerimiah4@h72-2-8-124.pmcnet.ca] has joined #openttd 05:01:46 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h72-2-8-124.pmcnet.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:16:16 *** xahodo [~xahodo@xahodo.demon.nl] has quit [Quit: Goodbye.] 05:40:34 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has joined #openttd 05:44:43 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has quit [] 05:48:47 *** valhalla1w [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 05:48:50 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:18:52 *** darks [~darks@124.161.79.60] has quit [Quit: darks] 06:20:18 *** darks [~darks@124.161.79.60] has joined #openttd 06:22:04 <Rubidium> darks: fcitx works with Linux and SDL and should work with allegro if allegro is build with XIM support (which my allegro hasn't) 06:24:50 <darks> Rubidium: yes, the config of fcitx a bit hard for a guy who doesn't know chinese. but now i've found it's not the unicode problem 06:25:55 <darks> Rubidium: i found openttd cannot type CJK because it cannot support CJK characters choice 06:27:03 <darks> Rubidium: i will have some screenshot for you to show how to type cjk, and it may hlep you to understand.OK? 06:27:48 <Rubidium> darks: I can enter Chinese characters just fine 06:28:26 <darks> Rubidium: can you show me a screenshot? 06:40:02 <Rubidium> http://rbijker.net/openttd/cjk-input.png 06:40:30 <Rubidium> the first part of the company name should make sense in chinese, the other might very well not 06:41:25 <Rubidium> typed ni hao and ha ra ju ku (which is somewhere in Japan, but that doesn't really matter as it's about input) 06:47:32 <darks> Rubidium: ok...i know it should be the bug only for OS 06:48:00 *** JdGordon [~jonno@123-243-140-31.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 06:48:29 <Rubidium> does fcitx work for other applications on OSX? 06:49:36 <JdGordon> hey, is there a problem/bug with the loading system? I have a oil drill supposedly making 333K barrels or whatever per month, and the station has about 6 ong oil trains on full load but they just sit waiting for oil and I cant get the transported percent up over about 60%? 06:50:11 <Rubidium> transport percentage has to do with the station rating 06:50:57 <Rubidium> and 333k liters is not much for 6 trains 06:51:04 <darks> Rubidium: fcitx working needs that it's the default XIM. OSX has a similar IM, using the Apple API to rebuilt, called fcit 06:51:47 <darks> Rubidium: wait several min, i'm uploading my screenshot 06:51:53 <JdGordon> Rubidium: the station ratings is "very good" for both goods being serviced there 06:52:17 <Rubidium> which is somewhere near 60% 06:52:53 <JdGordon> 71% and 69% currently 06:53:43 <JdGordon> how do i get the rating up to get more transported? 06:54:10 <Rubidium> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Game_mechanics#Station_rating 06:55:43 <Rubidium> darks: can't find anything called fcit for mac 06:58:41 <darks> Rubidium: fitx...i just made mistakes 06:58:49 <darks> Rubidium: http://img520.imageshack.us/my.php?image=74801292fa3.png 06:59:17 <darks> Rubidium: it's general typing Chinese. OK... 07:00:44 <darks> Rubidium: sorry,the link is uncorrent... the corrent link is below: http://my.imageshack.us/glitter.php?l=img520/8792/74801292fa3.png 07:01:13 <darks> Rubidium: http://my.imageshack.us/glitter.php?l=img520/246/24993857tw1.png 07:01:38 <darks> Rubidium: http://my.imageshack.us/glitter.php?l=img520/9858/35640536et3.png 07:04:10 <Rubidium> hmm... you did use OSX 10.4.something, right? 07:04:21 <darks> Rubidium: yes 07:06:48 <darks> Rubidium: the problem is i can type the other keyboard unicode language in it. but cjk, no the dialog box for me to choose the characters... 07:10:59 <darks> Rubidium: if possible, i hope to fix it just like the patch for textmate or other way. 07:17:34 <Rubidium> darks: I won't be of much help to you; I don't have OSX and I can't find any clues to how to support fitx or any of the other input methods in OSX 07:18:07 <Rubidium> so either practically "just" trying or theoretically looking at APIs that might be usefull failed :( 07:18:29 <petern> bjarni could help, surely? 07:18:55 <darks> petern: bjarni ? 07:19:06 <petern> ignore me, just a little joke 07:19:47 <darks> Rubidium: i know this. but can you tell me which src is about the typing box? 07:20:44 <Rubidium> Bjarni's the OSX guy and the guy that hasn't fixed any OSX related bug for many many months 07:21:15 <darks> Rubidium: maybe i'll try to find some codes to build a dialog box just like the textmat you saw. the patch of textmate is developped by a Japanese. 07:21:37 <darks> Rubidium: ...... 07:21:45 *** JdGordon [~jonno@123-243-140-31.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:22:27 <darks> Rubidium: exactly I found the same problem in win98 07:22:28 <Rubidium> darks: misc_gui.cpp is about the text box and the OSX backend is kinda in video/cocoa/ 07:22:31 <petern> hmm, is it me or does switching realistic acceleration off not work properly? 07:23:01 <Rubidium> darks: win98 doesn't have unicode 07:23:18 <Rubidium> at least OpenTTD for win98 hasn't unicode 07:23:34 <petern> huh? it does internally... 07:23:48 <Rubidium> unicode input then... 07:24:10 <darks> Rubidium: thx...i will try to read the src in the spring vocation... 07:24:35 <Rubidium> and it's possible to have unicode input in win9x, but that requires compiling with a MSVC which can't compile parts of the rest of OpenTTD 07:24:54 <darks> Rubidium: oh, i see 07:25:18 <Rubidium> but you're free to fix MSVC ;) 07:26:22 <petern> ah, it's me 07:26:40 * darks Chengdu City,Sichuan,China is too cold now... 07:30:30 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:52:25 <petern> what temp is it? 07:52:28 <petern> it's pretty cold here 07:56:59 <darks> petern: where are you now? 07:58:43 <darks> petern: just above zero in Chengdu but wet and always cloudy.no heater here... 08:00:43 * edeca yawns 08:00:44 *** baudchan [~princess@c-71-233-42-192.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:19:43 <petern> in the uk 08:20:40 <petern> my thermometer says it's -5 deg C 08:20:53 <petern> it's hardly calibrated though :) 08:20:59 <darks> petern: you are in holiday now...but you have heater 08:21:00 <edeca> It was -1 in the car on my way to work (also UK) 08:21:22 <petern> yeah, the heating it on 08:21:24 <petern> *is 08:21:45 <petern> -1 is more realistic :) 08:21:47 <darks> it is about 5 in chengdu, no heating..... 08:22:05 <petern> the canal is frozen over, but then it's a canal 08:23:11 <edeca> petern: As long as you're not living *on* the canal :) 08:23:59 <petern> well there are some boats moared there 08:27:24 <edeca> If the savegame type is OTTZ and the savegame isn't built with ZLIB, does the game refuse to open the file? 08:27:34 <edeca> Er, 2nd savegame should just be "game" 08:27:52 <petern> it should do 08:27:59 <edeca> Ah, that's cool 08:28:25 <petern> hmm 08:28:28 <edeca> Just wondering how to add compression support to templates, either compress if ZLIB is available or uncompressed if it's not. Is that sensible? 08:31:46 <edeca> And give an error if trying to load compressed templates without ZLIB support 08:31:48 *** Zealotus [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:36:31 *** Zealotus [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 08:52:03 <petern> > gronk. 08:52:03 <petern> 08:22 < pp124C4U> everbody's gorn? 08:52:05 <petern> er 08:52:09 <petern> if (d > max & !Train.Cars[i].Derailed & !Train.Cars[i - 1].Derailed) 08:52:13 <petern> spot the problem! 08:52:25 <Alberth> && 08:55:13 <petern> quite 08:56:54 <petern> all over this code :( 09:00:55 <Alberth> changing that is less dangerous than being outside, where people play with explosives 09:06:32 <petern> a quick search and replace 09:06:43 <petern> then fix the few occurances where it should be single... 09:07:35 *** gryph [~gryph@0x50a1213f.hrnxx7.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 09:18:20 *** Zorn [zorn@e177114117.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 09:26:14 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host105-233-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 09:26:49 <Wolf01> hello 09:26:55 <edeca> Hi 09:27:40 <Wolf01> bah... I tried tikiwiki... too complicate, I'll revert to mediawiki 09:28:21 <edeca> I like mediawiki 09:29:06 <Wolf01> they have a complete different syntax 09:34:10 <petern> ouch 09:34:18 <petern> 4500 lines and 365KB of patch :/ 09:35:32 <Wolf01> wow :O 09:36:09 <petern> for openbve, not openttd, i'm afraid 09:36:46 <edeca> What's openbve? 09:43:42 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm127.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:44:02 <petern> a train driving simulator 09:44:10 <edeca> Aah. I can't load the website right now 09:45:06 <petern> indeed 09:46:06 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 09:46:35 <edeca> yorick: Ah, at last we meet again 09:46:51 <yorick> :p 09:48:17 <edeca> yorick: Get my PM? 09:48:38 <yorick> yup 09:48:52 <edeca> yorick: Cool. You going to sync your changes with it? 09:48:57 <yorick> sure 09:49:05 <yorick> but my rotation is currently broken :/ 09:49:12 <edeca> yorick: I started on compression earlier, but can't compile because my repository is in a mess 09:49:29 <yorick> what does it say? 09:49:32 <edeca> In fact, it just segfaults for me at the minute 09:49:38 <edeca> On FindWindowById at startup 09:49:49 <edeca> The same patch worked fine on cygwin, hrm 09:49:52 <yorick> that'd be the gui 09:50:08 <edeca> Yeah, but I've not changed anything (I used my patch) since I compiled on cygwin :) 09:50:56 <edeca> So I guess I've got to fix that first, unless you have? 09:51:07 <yorick> nothing broken here 09:51:19 * yorick recompiles 09:51:21 <edeca> Can you sync yourchanges then 09:51:25 <edeca> That way I'll be up to date with you 09:54:37 <yorick> ok, it compiles and works 09:54:51 <edeca> Excellent. Can you push your changes then so I have a working version too :) 09:55:14 <yorick> ... 09:55:20 <edeca> .... 09:55:20 <yorick> I'm working on that 09:55:24 <edeca> Working on it? ;) 09:56:47 <yorick> there :) 09:57:10 <edeca> Cheers! 09:58:38 <edeca> I've synced mine too now, let's see if it compiles 09:59:02 <edeca> I've added versioning & started on compression 10:00:20 <edeca> It uses 2 headers now, TPLN and TPLZ. It will error if a version without zlib tries to open a compressed one 10:00:24 <edeca> Make sense? 10:00:40 <yorick> yes 10:01:28 <edeca> Versioning is a uint16 (same as the game) currently at 1 10:01:43 <edeca> It will error with the same message as the game if you try and load a newer version that you have support for 10:31:17 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 10:53:41 *** Mortal is now known as Guest188 10:53:42 *** mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 10:57:05 <petern> gah 10:59:59 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5C51A.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 11:00:09 *** Guest188 [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:08:08 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CDC2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:09:06 <Wolf01> [10:44:05] <petern> a train driving simulator <- traitor :( 11:09:40 <yorick> :D 11:10:35 <Wolf01> what are you doing yorick? what kind of rotation? 11:11:28 <dihedral> mornin 11:11:31 <yorick> copy paste rotation 11:11:39 <Wolf01> hello dih 11:11:56 <yorick> I'm trying to free bits so that it can store multiple signal types per tile and pbs 11:12:04 <Wolf01> oh 11:12:06 <Wolf01> nice 11:18:28 <dihedral> copy & paste is a waste of time & effort - you'll never learn how to improve if you just build once (or use a template from someone else) and just paste it wherever you want it 11:18:35 <dihedral> + your network will always look the same! 11:18:37 <dihedral> what a bore 11:19:48 <Alberth> dihedral: it might be useful to move an entire complex 1 tile 11:20:15 <dihedral> as for which reason would you do that? 11:20:39 <yorick> as for repeating layouts 11:20:41 <dihedral> you have a wee hill / lake in the way and dont know how to work with that and don't want to terraform? 11:20:53 <dihedral> yorick, i thought i was on your ignore list! 11:20:57 <dihedral> what a shame 11:23:22 <dihedral> oh - he's reading the logs again :-P 11:28:37 *** gryph [~gryph@0x50a1213f.hrnxx7.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:30:54 <dihedral> Alberth, well - tbh i can imagine people using it.... 11:31:31 <dihedral> i just don't see it as 'useful' as people think it is :-P 11:32:00 <dihedral> i.e. if i just paste stuff (which people will do) they will be unable to build stuff on their own (which i have seen too) 11:32:28 <Alberth> I sometimes want to expand a station and then need 1 tile more space than I have atm. 11:32:38 *** valhalla1w is now known as valhallasw 11:32:46 <Alberth> Your criticism is correct though, such a feature is overrated. 11:32:57 <yorick> that's the main reason for using copy-paste for me too 11:33:38 <Alberth> so construct a copy/paste for at most 3 tiles displacement :) 11:33:55 <Wolf01> the only reason for me is to copy & paste the load balancher along the main tracks, I always mistake something building it by hand 20 times :D 11:34:51 <yorick> and things like presignal bypass are basically 2 times the same 11:36:06 <edeca> Building long mainlines with overtaking is very boring 11:36:11 <petern> hmm, still not right 11:36:18 *** OwenS [~OwenS@host86-128-252-186.range86-128.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 11:36:20 <edeca> Especially if you just want the same thing across a whole 2048 map 11:36:23 <petern> removed the speed limit and this pendolino got up to 452mph eventually 11:36:28 <edeca> That's what I want C&P for 11:36:37 <petern> took a few years mind you 11:36:51 <Alberth> and a very long straight track :) 11:36:58 <petern> fairly, yeah 11:37:08 <petern> it's a circle 11:37:37 <petern> 454 mph, a = 0.0003 m/s^2 11:38:15 <petern> airdrag must be wrong 11:38:51 <petern> it's finished accelerating at 455 mph 11:39:18 <petern> hmm, now, stopping... 11:40:02 <petern> that was about 400 tiles to stop 11:40:04 <dihedral> do you guys ever think of the network server? 11:40:18 <dihedral> a client that is pasting can basically DOS the game! 11:40:33 <dihedral> i just paste with a very high speed and not other client gets to do a single DoCommand! 11:40:56 <dihedral> s/not/no 11:41:00 <dihedral> / 11:41:37 <petern> ok, unladed eurostar 11:42:59 <petern> er, unladen 11:43:02 <petern> 751 mph, haha 11:43:40 <dihedral> hehe 11:43:55 <dihedral> rocket science in OpenTTD :-D 11:48:13 *** Yeggzzz is now known as Yeggstry 11:48:19 <Prof_Frink> What about a 4-head chimera? 11:56:55 <petern> who cares? 11:57:16 *** Skyruner2 [~Skyruner2@ip-88-153-186-115.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #openttd 11:57:36 <Skyruner2> hi@ all 12:06:41 <petern> 1100mph :o 12:07:56 <Skyruner2> im trying to compile for the first time... is it normal that there are warnings? 12:08:58 <Skyruner2> hmm seems to run.. but only without musik 12:09:25 <yorick> what warnings? 12:10:22 <Skyruner2> in newgrf.cpp: ChangeInfoResult is set to a boolean value 12:10:43 <Skyruner2> and '>' konflickt between signed and unsigned in network_gui.cpp 12:11:24 <petern> that one's normal 12:11:43 <petern> or rather, it's not just you 12:11:50 <Skyruner2> ok :) 12:12:51 <Skyruner2> the first one in newgrf.cpp specifies that this assigment could have performance effects 12:13:07 <Skyruner2> thats newgrf.cpp line 2440 12:13:28 <OwenS> Skyruner2, you using MSVC++? 12:13:50 <Skyruner2> 2008 Professional 12:14:05 <Skyruner2> yes, its a legal copy :) 12:14:07 <OwenS> MSVC tends to complain about stuff that GCC doesn't 12:14:24 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-75-75-0-69.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: TOODLES] 12:14:40 <OwenS> The conflict one is probably more important though 12:15:43 <Skyruner2> its something to do with the key press down arrow and scrolling through the server list 12:16:12 <OwenS> I'll never understand why MSVC complains about implicit int -> bool casts though 12:16:38 <Skyruner2> first time im actually taking a look at the code... - id love to programm a bit but ill have to get acquainted with the code first 12:17:24 <Skyruner2> well it only complains because of possible performance effects 12:17:58 <OwenS> Thing is, the way it implements it, there aren't any! 12:18:55 <dihedral> hence the word "possible" 12:19:21 <OwenS> How about the way the C++ standard implements it? 12:19:34 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 12:20:23 <OwenS> Which is basically a bool is true it it's not equal to zero 12:21:14 <Skyruner2> where can i finde the code "a vehicle arrives at a station" ? 12:21:41 <yorick> try Vehicle.cpp 12:23:07 <edeca> Look for whatever calls Vehicle::BeginLoading ;) 12:23:58 <Skyruner2> i made the mistake of clicking "show class diagram" - now its creating the diagram.. ... ... ... ... 12:27:34 <edeca> Well the actual code is in <type>_cmd.cpp 12:27:37 <edeca> e.g. ship_cmd.cpp 12:27:54 <edeca> And called <Type>EnterStation 12:27:59 <edeca> e.g. ShipEnterStation 12:28:04 <edeca> So there, I found it forf you 12:28:24 <Skyruner2> thanks! 12:29:49 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 12:31:38 <edeca> Where shall I send the bill? 12:36:13 <Skyruner2> oh how much is it? 12:36:18 <Skyruner2> ive already sold my soul 12:37:49 <edeca> I don't do souls, hard cash only 12:41:25 <Prof_Frink> Why hard cash? The floppy stuff's much lighter and is worth more. 12:41:41 <Rubidium> what is hard cash? 12:41:53 <Skyruner2> coins.. mostly pennies 12:42:07 <Rubidium> you mean those pieces of metal/paper that can be exchanged for debts? 12:42:46 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@user-514c58d8.l3.c5.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:42:49 <Skyruner2> well the are just debt reciets themselves.. 12:43:39 <Rubidium> so you're basically giving him an "I owe you" 12:44:06 <Rubidium> of someone you most likely do not know 12:44:52 <Skyruner2> its the only thing he would accept 12:45:10 <Prof_Frink> No, it's a "The Bank of England owes you" 12:45:46 <Skyruner2> well im in germany.. so the european central bank owes you 12:45:52 <Skyruner2> go ask them 12:46:04 <Rubidium> and it's like the bank will give you your money when nobody repays his/her loans? 12:46:08 <Skyruner2> im sure the have a gold coin to give you :P 12:46:49 <Skyruner2> they wont give you money.. just iou's 12:47:04 <Rubidium> every euro/pound/dollar that is on your bank account has been lend out to like 10 other entities 12:49:00 <Skyruner2> ok ill take you as one of them.. lets find 8 more people and go to the bank - "you gave us the same Euro - we want a real one" 12:49:23 <Skyruner2> i dont think that will work :P 12:49:45 <Darkvater> bah 12:49:46 <Rubidium> eh presto... the reason why banks go bankrupt 12:50:03 <Darkvater> I still don't have time to work at my hobbies 12:50:04 <Darkvater> ;p 12:50:09 <Darkvater> you cruel world 12:50:17 * dihedral waves hello to Darkvater 12:50:21 <Rubidium> Darkvater: no worries... tomorrow you've got an extra second 12:50:28 <dihedral> :-P 12:50:36 * Darkvater waves back 12:50:55 <dihedral> \o/ 12:50:56 * Darkvater will now contemplate on how to spend this generous additional second 12:51:04 <dihedral> hihi 12:51:16 <Rubidium> that's stupid... as you've already spend it contemplating 12:51:25 <dihedral> so you are gonna waste 10 minutes on how to treasure one second? 12:51:26 <Rubidium> poor soul ;) 12:51:29 <Darkvater> that's impossible, I don't have it yet 12:51:36 <Darkvater> I'm spending my other seconds 12:51:58 <Darkvater> which are obviously a given and not as precious as one receiving additionally 12:52:21 <Darkvater> silence please :) 12:52:26 <Darkvater> my work-seconds come for free :D 12:52:41 <dihedral> they dont - you age with every single one 12:52:42 <Eddi|zuHause> i kill you. 12:52:48 *** CIA-2 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:52:58 <dihedral> well done Eddi|zuHause - you scared it away 12:53:20 <Darkvater> Eddi|zuHause: I don't think that's a wise decision. Seconds are personal, non-refundable and not transferable 12:53:33 <dihedral> :-P 12:53:52 <Darkvater> and now look, I've wasted 5 minutes of my life :( 12:55:41 <dihedral> no you have not 12:55:44 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 12:56:12 <Darkvater> which will only return to me in 1000 years :( 12:56:35 <Darkvater> I curse you Rubidium 12:58:45 *** stillunk1own [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 13:00:37 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:09:56 * petern sighs 13:10:17 <petern> area = 120 m^2 ... seems a bit high for a train... 13:10:37 <petern> so it must consider some other scaling factor too, which is not documented. 13:11:03 <Skyruner2> depends on the train 13:11:16 <Eddi|zuHause> shouldn't the area be rather fixed by the loading gauge? 13:12:51 <petern> Skyruner2, yes, but the cross-section area of the whole train should not vary that much 13:13:00 <petern> bit simplified, but a carriage is a carriage... 13:13:40 <yorick> is there any recent windows binary of grfcodec? 13:13:54 <yorick> one that's not at least 2 years old :p 13:14:04 <Eddi|zuHause> the only thing that can really vary by train design is the drag coefficient 13:14:15 <petern> yes 13:14:18 <Eddi|zuHause> the area should be almost the same for any train 13:14:24 <petern> sort of 13:15:05 <Eddi|zuHause> well, certainly, the tube has a different area than a german double decker wagon... 13:20:39 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 13:21:07 *** CIA-1 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #openttd 13:22:29 *** stillunk1own [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:28:44 <petern> lol! 13:28:52 <petern> i found a figure on the internet 13:28:57 <petern> for locomotives, 120 13:29:01 <petern> 120 ... sq ft... 13:29:16 <petern> SI for area is not sq ft... 13:29:49 <Skyruner2> that would only be 11m² 13:29:58 <petern> yeah 13:30:06 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:30:07 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:31:40 <Eddi|zuHause> that's the size of an average bedroom 13:33:31 <petern> hm 13:33:44 * petern ponders future newgrf properties 13:39:28 *** stillunk1own [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 13:40:48 * Swallow ponders prop 20 13:41:10 <petern> http://www.uwm.edu/~horowitz/PropulsionResistance.html 13:41:13 <petern> ^ stupid units :/ 13:41:19 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:44:08 <Swallow> btw air drag is not just 1/2 * cw * A * Rho * v^2, but also air friction with the side of the engine/wagons 13:44:31 <Skyruner2> damn simplified physics 13:44:40 <petern> that is mentioned later i think 13:47:16 <Eddi|zuHause> really... those units make you crazy... 13:50:59 *** KritiK [~Maxim@xbl.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 13:51:22 *** Zealotus [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:52:13 *** Zealotus [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 13:54:46 <Eddi|zuHause> air drag should be the major limit for high speed trains, tractive effort on grades for freight trains 13:55:04 <petern> yeah, but 13:55:06 <yorick> air drag should be less when in tubular bridges/tunnels 13:55:22 <petern> yorick: more 13:55:29 <Eddi|zuHause> more, because the air pressure rises 13:55:55 <petern> well 13:56:04 <petern> using that revised 120 -> 11 figure doesn't help drag :/ 13:56:50 <Skyruner2> When adding the profit of a cargoPacket to the year profit of the train why is the profit sifted by 8? 13:57:19 <Skyruner2> economy.cpp line 1518 13:57:20 <Skyruner2> front_v->profit_this_year += profit << 8; 13:57:26 <Eddi|zuHause> Skyruner2: because the last 8 bits are fractional value? 13:57:50 <Eddi|zuHause> they are shifted back somewhere else 13:59:20 <Eddi|zuHause> "T is weight in kips" <- what kind of unit is that? 14:00:34 <petern> in what? 14:00:47 <yorick> kps? 14:01:14 <yorick> kilo-psi? 14:01:43 <Prof_Frink> kibi-german-horsepower. 14:02:06 <yorick> KiloPascal 14:02:10 <yorick> kPa 14:03:48 <roboboy> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kips 14:04:04 <roboboy> It is equivalent to one half of a U.S. ton 14:06:24 <petern> crazy 14:06:46 <Eddi|zuHause> really, they should stop teaching this crap 14:06:58 <petern> a kip is 1000 lb fource 14:07:00 <petern> *force 14:07:01 <petern> *or* 14:07:07 <petern> a kip is half a us ton 14:07:08 <petern> wtf 14:07:34 <petern> well 14:07:41 <petern> lb force != lb :o 14:07:46 <petern> same as fl oz != oz 14:07:57 <roboboy> so 2 kips = 1 us ton 14:08:31 <Eddi|zuHause> only on certain places on earth's surface 14:08:55 <Eddi|zuHause> because one is a unit of weight (force), and the other of mass 14:09:28 * Prof_Frink adds "fuckkip" to the dictionary. 14:10:11 <Alberth> is a us ton equal to a metric ton? (1000 kg) 14:10:21 <Prof_Frink> Don't be silly. 14:10:33 <Alberth> (hmm, no of course not how could it be) 14:10:40 <Prof_Frink> No two ton(ne)s are the same. 14:10:58 <petern> Eddi|zuHause: the problem with grades in ttd is obvious 14:11:07 <petern> only a tiny portion of the train is actually on the grade 14:11:13 <petern> which is not quite like real life 14:11:27 <Eddi|zuHause> there's the short ton and the long ton, but i don't know which one is used in the US 14:11:48 <Eddi|zuHause> petern: well, i'd just take the highest grade the train is on 14:12:29 <petern> Eddi|zuHause, yeah, with your model that is not implemented ;) 14:12:40 <Eddi|zuHause> :) 14:12:49 <petern> a 7 tile train with 4 tiles at 3% doesn't struggle much at all 14:13:10 <petern> lol 14:13:27 <petern> maybe i should test with something other than a 10,000hp super freight engine from the future :p 14:14:22 <petern> EMD type 5 14:19:29 *** darks [~darks@124.161.79.60] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:28:38 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CDC2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:32:25 <roboboy> gnight and happy new year 14:37:08 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 14:38:04 <Eddi|zuHause> is it new year yet? 14:38:16 <Skyruner2> somewhere 14:38:22 <glx> for him yes 14:38:26 <Eddi|zuHause> i know my sense of time is off... but that far? 14:39:11 <glx> australia is +12 (or something like that) 14:39:20 <Eddi|zuHause> if it's new year for him, he must be at least +10 timezone or something 14:39:23 <Rubidium> glx: he's in +9:30 14:40:53 <petern> +9:30:01 14:41:01 <Belugas> hello 14:41:14 <petern> stupid hst is going 209mph :( 14:41:32 <Rubidium> petern: no, cause they'll have 09:29:60 (local time) 14:47:18 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 14:50:07 <Eddi|zuHause> the +1 second is done in all timezones synchronously 14:55:01 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:03:13 *** hermitek [~hermitek@a40-brn1-5-113.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 15:04:52 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008120122]] 15:05:43 <yorick> autorail needs sprites :p 15:07:17 <yorick> road* 15:07:40 *** nfc [~nfc@cable-hvk-fe7ede00-156.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: buut] 15:10:00 <Eddi|zuHause> draw them. 15:11:15 <yorick> I'm no good at sprite drawing 15:14:04 <Belugas> can you at least pinpoint which sprites are missing? 15:16:59 <Eddi|zuHause> Belugas: the overlay sprites for road building, similar to the autorail sprites (that show a preview of the road/rail bit that is about to be built) 15:23:40 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 15:28:34 *** nfc [nfc@cable-hvk-fe7ede00-156.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 15:28:49 *** Wolle [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0F330.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:29:18 <Belugas> won't be that hard to draw then... straigh lines and such... 15:29:33 <Belugas> come on yorick, ya can da it 15:29:44 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83F58.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:31:16 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80A34.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:31:19 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 15:31:41 <Eddi|zuHause> "ya can da at" :p 15:32:05 <Eddi|zuHause> # DrÃŒ ChÃŒnÃŒsÃŒn mÃŒt dÃŒm KÃŒntrÃŒbÌà 15:32:40 <Eddi|zuHause> # sÃŒÃÃŒn ÃŒf dÃŒr StrÃŒÃÃŒ ÃŒnd ÃŒrzÃŒhltÃŒn sÃŒch wÃŒs 15:33:04 <Eddi|zuHause> # dÃŒ kÃŒm dÃŒ PÃŒlÃŒzÃŒ, nÃŒ wÃŒs ÃŒs dÃŒnn dÃŒs? 15:33:07 <Eddi|zuHause> # DrÃŒ ChÃŒnÃŒsÃŒn mÃŒt dÃŒm KÃŒntrÃŒbÌà 15:33:30 * Prof_Frink collects all the loose punctuation Eddi|zuHause carelessly left on his letters 15:34:00 <Eddi|zuHause> well, at least they don't fall down! 15:34:33 <Eddi|zuHause> (PS: German "ÃŒ" is spoken like French "u") 15:34:57 <Prof_Frink> And how do the french say "u"? 15:35:28 <glx> we say "u" 15:35:34 <Eddi|zuHause> like in "rien ne va plus" 15:35:46 <yorick> snow! 15:36:16 <Eddi|zuHause> we don't have snow here 15:36:19 *** gynter [~gynter@77-233-77-149.cdma.dyn.kou.ee] has joined #openttd 15:36:27 <Eddi|zuHause> although everything is white, too 15:36:27 <yorick> you will 15:36:35 <yorick> it just started snowing 15:37:41 <Eddi|zuHause> there was one year 15:37:48 <Eddi|zuHause> where my friend drove me home 15:37:53 <Eddi|zuHause> and it just started snowing 15:38:10 <Eddi|zuHause> halfway through, we had to turn around, because the road was completely blocked 15:41:32 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... there are too many different meanings of "Reif", can't find the proper translation... i'd go for "rime" or "frost" 15:41:49 <Eddi|zuHause> as in the white frozen water that covers the plants 15:47:12 <Sacro> frost 15:47:15 <Sacro> rime isn't a real word 15:57:09 *** stillunk1own [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:00:44 <Prof_Frink> Ancient Mariner. 16:04:49 *** Skyruner2 [~Skyruner2@ip-88-153-186-115.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:04:51 <Belugas> Iron Maiden! 16:11:30 * Prof_Frink wanders along to Powerslave 16:11:46 <Belugas> good call :D 16:14:40 <Eddi|zuHause> Sacro: but it's what the dictionary says 16:21:58 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 16:22:38 <Prof_Frink> Eddi|zuHause: Sacro is an uncultured Northerner. He doesn't know words. 16:22:51 <Prof_Frink> Rime is, indeed, a form of frost 16:27:28 <Eddi|zuHause> the problem is that, in german, "Reif" can also mean "Ring" 16:28:26 <Prof_Frink> A frosty ring. Nasty. 16:34:04 *** murr4y [murray@2001:470:1f0a:1be::42] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:37:16 *** mortal is now known as Guest222 16:37:17 *** mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 16:37:52 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.170.91] has joined #openttd 16:39:15 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad9f852.bb.sky.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:39:40 *** murr4y [murray@2001:470:1f0a:1be::42] has joined #openttd 16:40:29 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad9f852.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 16:40:42 <petern> better than a burning ring? 16:41:55 <Eddi|zuHause> +3 defense and +3 mana regeneration? 16:42:15 <Prof_Frink> ...not exactly. 16:43:40 <Eddi|zuHause> +1 vitality; add (3) to remove a burden? 16:43:49 *** Guest222 [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:47:29 * petern spots a problem with te/max_te 16:51:41 <Eddi|zuHause> you just gonna tease us, or are you actually telling what the problem is? :p 16:55:09 <petern> it's done for the whole train 16:59:29 <Eddi|zuHause> well, it should be done for each vehicle 16:59:33 <petern> quite 17:00:00 <petern> effectively now high power with low maxte + low power with high maxte == high power with high maxte 17:02:02 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 17:09:35 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:15:14 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r14778 /trunk/src/ottdres.rc.in: -Change: completely hide 'Submit report' button on crash dialog (MSVC) 17:15:25 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r14777 /trunk/projects/ (determineversion.vbs version_vs80.vcproj version_vs90.vcproj): -Fix: be sure to update ottdres.rc and rev.cpp when their .in changes (MSVC) 17:15:34 <glx> that's a lag 17:44:31 <OwenS> glx: Why hide the button? You can somehow sign up with MS' (for free as I understand it) to collect those reports 17:45:18 <glx> OwenS: it's our window 17:45:56 <OwenS> Aah 17:52:54 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14779 /trunk/src/train_cmd.cpp: -Fix (r14747) [FS#2485]: selling an articulated vehicle removed only the first part and not the rest. 18:09:25 *** sigmund_ [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 18:11:14 *** sigmund [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:22:10 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-3-228-220.glfd.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 18:32:19 <George> Happy new year! 18:33:07 <mincepie> indeed so! 18:34:02 <mincepie> the arbitrarily-chosen date at which we increment the "year" section of our date system is approaching. let us therefore DDoS the world's SMS and GSM networks 18:37:39 <petern> verily 18:39:36 *** Hoju [~jerimiah4@h72-2-8-124.pmcnet.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:40:31 * Prof_Frink prepares to DoS his liver 18:40:49 <mincepie> I've heard worse excuses to drink 18:41:13 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h72-2-8-124.pmcnet.ca] has joined #openttd 18:42:02 <Prof_Frink> We should have new year around september/october time. 18:43:26 <mincepie> it makes more sense to have it either at an equinox or a solstice 18:43:32 <mincepie> I propose the vernal equinox 18:43:47 <mincepie> the winter solstice is kind of occupied by christmas... 18:44:50 <Prof_Frink> vernal equinox has the other christian chocolate fest 18:45:14 <mincepie> oh, yes, that's true 18:45:24 <mincepie> damn christians, they've got every option covered 18:45:46 <Prof_Frink> So, autumnal. 18:45:48 <mincepie> erm, ok... summer solstice? 18:46:45 <Prof_Frink> Yeah, that could work 18:54:25 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5C51A.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:54:53 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5C51A.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 18:54:57 *** CIA-9 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #openttd 18:55:56 *** CIA-1 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:00:44 <petern> okay, i've figured out how to make the acceleration "realistic" 19:00:51 <mincepie> oh god 19:01:00 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 19:01:13 <petern> such that 0.5 m/s^2 results in a speed increase of 0.5 m/s over a real world second 19:01:14 <mincepie> how can you make it realistic when the game operates on five different scales? 19:01:20 <petern> quite 19:01:28 <Prof_Frink> petern: a=0 throughout autumn and winter due to leaves and ice on the tracks? 19:01:38 *** mortal is now known as Guest243 19:01:39 *** mortal` is now known as mortal 19:01:43 <mincepie> Prof_Frink: only within the UK renewal set 19:02:11 <petern> cb36 to the rescue! 19:02:25 <petern> so yeah 19:03:33 <mincepie> or perhaps we should force the player to deploy class 37s for salt-spreading 19:04:24 <petern> question is, what rate of acceleration should be used 19:04:46 <Prof_Frink> 9.81ms-2 19:04:55 <petern> hurr hurr 19:06:54 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 19:07:29 <petern> that's another thing, max te is done with 10 instead of 9.81, heh 19:07:49 *** Guest243 [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:07:59 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 19:08:07 *** mortal is now known as Guest245 19:08:07 *** mortal` is now known as mortal 19:08:24 <petern> the forces are still wrong though :p 19:08:41 <petern> this class 91 with no speed limiter goes... fast 19:12:01 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CDC2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:14:49 *** Guest245 [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:20:54 <Belugas> nice joke... 19:21:10 <Belugas> "Come up to a coktail in half an hour" 19:21:26 <Belugas> i can';t take any alcohol... i'm on anti-biotics :( 19:21:42 <Belugas> plus allthe pain killers i've swallowed 19:21:44 <Belugas> booooo 19:22:43 <petern> :/ 19:23:25 <petern> you'll enjoy the new year with clarity 19:23:26 <petern> or 19:23:29 <petern> if you're like me 19:23:33 <petern> you'll enjoy it asleep 19:24:17 <Belugas> the latter, i'd say :) 19:24:59 <mincepie> petern: 9.81 does not apply worldwide 19:28:03 <Belugas> i might try to give it a go at re-resurecting newobjects... 19:28:16 <Belugas> i still ned to fix the local_id for houses 19:28:30 <Belugas> it's a byte while it should be an uint16 19:29:24 <Belugas> then i'll fall asleep on the keyboard, my wife will get upset becasue i'm not with her for THE countdown, etc etc... 19:29:26 <Belugas> mmh 19:45:45 <Belugas> OR i should try to finish my Myst IV game... 19:48:07 <petern> mincepie, i doubt that 700m variation affects it much 19:49:42 <mincepie> I doubt the difference between 10 and 9.81 m·sâ»Â² will affect it much either 19:49:57 <mincepie> since it's not possible to define m in this case... 19:59:07 <petern> indeed not 19:59:44 <petern> it's enough to make a visible difference in the gui though 19:59:55 <mincepie> meh 20:01:33 <petern> people complained when 1.6 was used instead of 1.609 for mph to km/h conversions... 20:02:22 <mincepie> well, that would make an actual difference 20:03:01 <mincepie> choosing a value for g is pretty much a matter of what looks good 20:03:06 <Belugas> silly people craving for realism... as if their lives were soooo boring they had to look for realisty fix in their games o_O 20:03:49 <mincepie> Belugas: very few of us can afford an elaborate model railway system, and fewer still can afford to buy an actual railway system 20:05:30 * Belugas fails to see the point in arguing over 1.6 and 1.609 with what mincepie jsut put out as a potential excuse 20:06:15 <petern> well 20:06:27 <petern> the intercity 225 was not called the intercity 224 ;) 20:06:41 *** KritiK [~Maxim@xbl.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:07:12 <mincepie> there was a 225? 20:07:28 <mincepie> oh, a 91 20:08:08 * mincepie does not exist in electrific-land 20:08:20 <Wolf01> I'm going to watch a movie, happy http://tinyurl.com/7ugbr5 to everybody :) 20:08:38 <mincepie> happy goodyear? 20:08:42 <mincepie> *tut* 20:08:56 <Wolf01> ok, you understood 20:09:15 <mincepie> I got the point 20:09:21 <Wolf01> s/happy// 20:09:26 <mincepie> you could have made a much better joke without recourse to tinyurl, I think 20:09:53 <Wolf01> I'll be back next year ;) 20:11:08 <petern> Eddi|zuHause, ee type 1, 1000hp/184kN pulling 514 tons up a 7 tile slope dropped to 9mph 20:12:49 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.212.248] has joined #openttd 20:16:21 <petern> oh dear 20:16:39 <petern> the 500hp 0-6-0 can't make it 20:17:47 <petern> it would be going backwards if that was supported 20:19:39 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.170.91] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:25:06 *** OsteHovel^EEE [~OsteHovel@129.80-202-76.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 20:25:34 <OsteHovel^EEE> Hi all :D 20:25:56 <OsteHovel^EEE> Im using linux... just for saying that first... 20:26:30 <OsteHovel^EEE> Is there posible to compile openttd for Windows CE on Linux? 20:27:28 <Rubidium> it wasn't possible some (half?) year ago 20:27:47 <Rubidium> neither is windows CE supported 20:28:03 *** nicfer [~usuario@xbl.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 20:28:50 <OsteHovel^EEE> ok 20:31:36 <Rubidium> but not being able to compile a windows CE on linux might very well be something with the toolchain 20:32:30 <OsteHovel^EEE> if its not support then i will not try anymore anyway... im gonna stick just with the 0.6 build that exist for Windows CE(mobile) on the internet... 20:33:26 <mincepie> hm, the intercity 225 was built during the same period as me 20:33:32 <mincepie> and introduced in the same year 20:33:41 <mincepie> I think I am rather better designed 20:35:11 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 20:36:58 <OsteHovel^EEE> lol 20:47:16 <petern> pah, children 20:47:48 <mincepie> I'm older than my body 20:48:36 <mincepie> (that's a meaningless statement, but meh) 20:49:27 <mincepie> oh, and additionally: pah, old people 20:49:36 <yorick> pah, old people 20:50:13 <mincepie> pah, yorick 20:50:26 <yorick> why that> 20:50:36 <petern> why not? 20:50:44 <mincepie> nothing, it just amuses me that you've become the channel punching bag 20:52:16 <mincepie> oh, and incidentally, I am not a child 20:52:40 <yorick> just out of curiosity, when was it built? 20:53:06 <petern> '88 to '91 20:53:08 <mincepie> 88-91, and introduced in 90 20:53:20 <yorick> oh, it's older than me 20:53:35 <mincepie> we guessed 20:55:39 <Belugas> ^_^ 20:56:00 <mincepie> :D 21:04:07 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@user-514c58d8.l3.c5.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:20:14 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CDC2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:22:20 <Belugas> mmh... iguess it's time for me to fly away from that darn office... 21:22:31 <Belugas> HAPPY NEW YEAR TO EVERYONE!!! 21:22:33 * Belugas is gone 21:22:49 <OsteHovel^EEE> :P 21:34:49 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:57:06 *** Ridayah [~ridayah@173-19-228-199.client.mchsi.com] has joined #openttd 21:58:55 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 22:03:59 *** mortal is now known as Guest262 22:04:00 *** mortal` is now known as mortal 22:05:04 *** Guest262 [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:13:18 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 22:17:11 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:20:16 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has joined #openttd 22:38:40 <Belugas> Yeah yeah yeah... as I step in my house, phone rings... office call blaaaaaa! 22:39:14 <mincepie> :S 23:00:19 <HerzogDeXtEr1> Happy New Year 23:02:05 <mincepie> *nod* 23:02:14 <mincepie> happy new year, UTC+1 23:11:41 <thingwath> most of this channel is UTC+1, isn't it? 23:12:19 <mincepie> I suppose so 23:13:54 *** mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:14:11 <thingwath> hm, there might be some people from UK 23:14:13 <thingwath> whatever 23:22:37 <mincepie> I am 23:38:25 <Wolf01> year++; 23:38:34 <Wolf01> :D 23:38:39 <OsteHovel^EEE> Happy new year everyone! 23:38:52 * OsteHovel^EEE is UTC+1(or CET) 23:38:56 * OsteHovel^EEE is from NORWAY!! 23:39:21 * Wolf01 is from North-Africa! 23:39:37 <Wolf01> ehm... banana's republic 23:39:44 <Wolf01> ...Italy! 23:39:51 <yorick> happy new year from holland :) 23:40:54 <mincepie> happy new year from, ah, cornwall ¬.¬ 23:41:43 *** mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd