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00:01:13 *** grumbel [~grumbel@i577BA7CA.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 00:03:35 *** WhiteRhino [White@modem182.tmlp.net] has joined #openttd 00:04:45 <WhiteRhino> Evening, folks. 00:04:52 <goodger> hello 00:05:04 * goodger prepares the rhino gun 00:05:36 <WhiteRhino> Heyyy now. I won't lament about my connection this time, I promise 00:10:34 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truebrain * r14883 /branches/noai/src/ai/ai_instance.cpp: [NoAI] -Fix: the order of dtors can have devastating effects when wrong .. like asserting on AITestMode when closing 00:16:50 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has left #openttd [] 00:17:33 <WhiteRhino> Hehe. The Toyland/Mars conversion thing uses all cat names for vehicle brands. 00:19:47 <goodger> don't see why not 00:20:02 <goodger> apple have named their operating systems after cats for a decade with great success 00:20:13 <WhiteRhino> They have? o.O 00:22:04 <FauxFaux> Leotard. Panther etc. 00:22:06 <goodger> jaguar, panther, tiger, leopard... 00:23:20 <WhiteRhino> I know little of apple OS's. =P 00:28:01 *** roboboy [7248c51b@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 00:29:13 *** ctibor [~ctibor@xbl.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:32:50 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77C07.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:32:57 *** ecke [~ecke@xbl.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: ecke] 00:33:20 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77DBA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:40:09 *** goodger [~ben@host81-153-85-164.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:43:02 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226153224.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Rhabarberbarbarabarbarbarenbartbarbierbierbar] 00:44:06 *** goodger [~ben@host81-153-85-164.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 00:51:07 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-228-93.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:51:44 *** JdGordon [~jonno@123-243-140-31.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:52:59 *** JdGordon [~jonno@123-243-140-31.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 01:00:07 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E35F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:11:27 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.21.226.200] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- In tests, 0x09 out of 0x0A l33t h4x0rz prefer it :)] 01:19:30 *** JdGordon [~jonno@123-243-140-31.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:35:41 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@user-54408fb8.wfd74a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:38:12 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 01:38:12 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:38:14 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 01:39:53 *** vraa_ [~vraa@h222.77.20.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:39:53 <joachim> clicking tunnel mouths should select any train in the tunnel... has that been suggested as a patch? 01:40:46 <SmatZ> I don't remember anyone suggesting this 01:41:13 *** vraa [~vraa@h20.191.213.151.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #openttd 01:41:24 <joachim> ok... i think it would be useful 01:41:36 <FauxFaux> Get to it. 01:41:40 <goodger> I agree 01:41:49 * SmatZ starts coding 01:42:45 <joachim> i thought about doing it as a first thing, but wanted to know if it was already dismissed 01:43:01 <joachim> cause it seems pretty obvious... :) 01:43:18 <Yexo> after you suggested it, yes, by then it was obvious :) 01:43:55 <Yexo> this is the kind if suggestion I really like. Small, easy to code but still a nice improvement 01:46:00 <goodger> *nod* 01:47:03 <SmatZ> error: vahicle_gui.h: not a file or directory 01:47:10 <SmatZ> âconst struct Vehicleâ has no member named âIsPrimatyVehicleâ 01:47:19 <SmatZ> I have typo like in every second word :-/ 01:47:44 * goodger smirks 01:48:29 * SmatZ tests the patch 01:48:45 <goodger> this might be a new record 01:49:11 <goodger> from wishlist bug submission to patch commit, eleven minutes 01:50:21 <SmatZ> I didn't say anything about commit :) 01:50:31 <goodger> meh 01:50:32 <SmatZ> other devs would have to say their opinion 01:50:39 <joachim> :) 01:50:43 <goodger> it was only 9 mins at that time 01:50:57 <goodger> you might have discussed and committed it within the next two 01:51:45 <Yexo> if you do this for trains, what about road vehicles? 01:52:10 <SmatZ> http://devs.openttd.org/~smatz/click_tunnel.diff maybe something like this 01:53:41 <Yexo> what happens when an non-player buildable vehicle (like an ufo) is at that tile? 01:54:10 <SmatZ> Yexo: v->IsPrimaryVehicle() returns false 01:54:12 <SmatZ> I hope :) 01:54:37 <SmatZ> if not, then I broke things a few commits ago :-P 01:54:49 <Yexo> it does 01:54:55 <SmatZ> great :) 01:55:42 <joachim> looks good :) 01:55:49 <goodger> hurrah 01:56:09 <SmatZ> :-) 01:56:19 <goodger> \o/ 02:03:19 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r14884 /trunk/src/viewport.cpp: -Codechange: simplify code responsible for opening vehicle view windows 02:03:32 <goodger> heh 02:05:14 * SmatZ likes commits with more lines removed than added :) 02:05:33 <goodger> yes, always good 02:21:17 *** roboboy [72488afa@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 02:22:29 <Belugas> let's go SmatZ, let's go! 02:26:37 *** Lakie [~Lakie@80.247.163.109] has quit [Killed (NickServ (Too many failed password attempts.))] 02:26:42 *** Lakie [~Lakie@80.247.163.109] has joined #openttd 02:26:52 <glx> bad Lakie :) 02:27:01 <glx> trying to steal your nick? 02:27:02 <Lakie> Hmm? 02:27:10 <Lakie> Nope. 02:31:15 *** roboboy [72488afa@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 02:31:23 *** roboboy [72488afa@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 02:36:15 *** roboboy [72488afa@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [] 02:37:29 <SmatZ> Belugas: I thought everyone is sleeping :-) 02:37:43 <SmatZ> good night for now ;) 02:38:57 <Belugas> night SmatZ 02:39:02 <Belugas> no, i'm still working 02:44:05 <WhiteRhino> I'm awake, just doing other stuff. =P 02:48:43 <thingwath> if have only commits with more lines removed then added, eventually we would have no code at all (oh, yes, it could really improve compile times) 02:52:24 *** curosurf [~xcvxcv@wonea.demon.co.uk] has joined #openttd 03:00:46 *** Lakie is now known as Lakie_ 03:01:11 *** AngryRhino [White@modem182.tmlp.net] has joined #openttd 03:02:21 *** DialupRhino [White@modem182.tmlp.net] has joined #openttd 03:02:28 * DialupRhino sighs. 03:02:37 *** AngryRhino [White@modem182.tmlp.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:02:45 *** WhiteRhino [White@modem182.tmlp.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:02:51 *** DialupRhino is now known as WhiteRhino 03:03:29 <Belugas> not a word, you promised! 03:03:41 <WhiteRhino> I didn't say a word, I let out a breath. >.> 03:05:17 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 03:07:55 <Belugas> wb Lakie 03:08:25 <Lakie> Hi Belugas. 03:09:05 <Lakie> Hows newObjects going? 03:09:08 <Belugas> working hard? 03:09:14 <Belugas> in restore more :) 03:10:01 <Belugas> i'm trying, slowly, little by little, to put things up togueter 03:10:08 *** gynter [~gynter@77-233-91-183.cdma.dyn.kou.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:10:09 <Belugas> as well on code as in my mind ;) 03:10:24 <Lakie> Thats a good plan, avoid's burning one-self out. 03:11:53 *** Lakie_ [~Lakie@80.247.163.109] has quit [Quit: Caught signal 15, Terminated] 03:12:30 <Belugas> yup yup 03:13:12 <Eddi|zuHause> Belugas: we have -23°C here 03:13:28 <Lakie> Heh, and I thought it being -7C here was cold... 03:14:02 <Eddi|zuHause> oh, and lovely snow ;) 03:14:11 <Belugas> Eddi|zuHause, i sympathize, 'cause i know how brutal it is :) 03:14:12 <Lakie> That, we don't get here. :( 03:14:24 *** curosurf [~xcvxcv@wonea.demon.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:14:30 <Lakie> Never snows around where I live, but if you go like 10 miles away it does. ;_; 03:15:10 <goodger> -6 here... 03:15:26 <thingwath> -23 is almost too cold :) 03:15:29 <goodger> Lakie: I can sympathise, no snow here either, but sometimes, 10 miles away 03:15:34 <Sacro> bah 03:15:37 <Sacro> no such temperature 03:15:42 <Belugas> Lakie, i think i'd better be at your place, honestly :) 03:15:45 <Sacro> when i where a lad it got down to -40 03:15:58 <Eddi|zuHause> it is actually FUCKFUCKFUCKCOLD 03:16:05 <goodger> Eddi|zuHause: :D 03:16:08 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: stop whinging :p 03:16:21 <goodger> Sacro: see the latest xkcd... 03:16:28 <Eddi|zuHause> well, i am not inclined to going outside :p 03:16:38 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: we've noticed 03:17:43 <Sacro> EGNJ 070250Z AUTO 28008KT 9999NDV OVC023/// 02/00 Q1022 03:18:44 <Belugas> youhou!! another bug killed! 03:19:17 <goodger> my car has iced up inside 03:19:21 <goodger> inconsiderate of it 03:19:25 <Sacro> hehe 03:19:30 <Sacro> goodger: turn on the fog lights 03:19:32 <Sacro> and the heaters 03:19:46 <goodger> I'm not convinced the engine will start 03:19:51 <goodger> hence heaters will not work 03:19:55 <Sacro> ahh a french car 03:20:00 <goodger> no, japanese 03:20:11 <goodger> I've driven it at -1 before, but never -6 03:20:16 <Sacro> french cars never convincingly start 03:20:39 <goodger> anyway I'm not planning to drive it, but I can see it from my window 03:20:50 <thingwath> my parents have french car and it is ok even at -10 :) 03:20:59 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:21:21 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 03:21:37 * goodger is quite annoyed that he filled up when petrol had been stable at 89p for _weeks_ and it immediately dropped to 82p 03:21:49 <glx> usual :) 03:22:11 <Sacro> hehe 03:22:33 <glx> the other way is true too, stable for weeks and increase when you need it 03:23:07 <thingwath> I have to buy new season ticket. 03:24:42 <thingwath> our kind mayor promised that they will have same price for next two years :) 03:25:17 <glx> I bet he lied 03:25:26 <thingwath> Maybe. 03:28:59 <Eddi|zuHause> fuel usually fluctuates by around 5ct during the week here 03:30:12 <Sacro> hmm, not sure what it is here 03:30:38 *** De_Ghost [~s@75-119-239-166.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:31:30 * Belugas fluctuates his way to his bed 03:33:57 *** De_Ghosty [~s@206-248-162-178.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 03:38:54 *** DialupRhino [White@modem172.tmlp.net] has joined #openttd 03:39:17 *** DialupRhino is now known as OtherRhino 03:39:59 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:40:12 *** Sir-Bob [~chatzilla@c114-76-62-29.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 03:40:21 *** WhiteRhino [White@modem182.tmlp.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:40:45 *** OtherRhino is now known as WhiteRhino 03:41:58 *** De_Ghosty [~s@206-248-162-178.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:42:12 *** De_Ghosty [~s@69-196-148-5.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 03:53:09 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@147.251.215.232] has quit [Quit: Quit] 04:00:41 *** Zorni [zorn@e177237021.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 04:02:14 *** elmex_ [~elmex@e180067034.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 04:03:34 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest387 04:03:36 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-67-2.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 04:05:16 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm158.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 04:07:14 *** elmex [~elmex@e180068152.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:07:18 *** elmex_ is now known as elmex 04:08:03 *** Zorn [zorn@d138103.adsl.hansenet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:08:25 *** Guest387 [~Dale@pool-71-98-67-2.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:11:02 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-67-2.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:16:12 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-67-2.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 04:28:29 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep Times.] 04:43:25 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 04:43:25 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:43:28 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 04:50:51 <lordnokon> morning everyone 04:54:38 <lordnokon> i need help please with a couple of things 04:59:09 *** entropy [~maeror@ppp78-37-62-79.pppoe.komi.dslavangard.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:59:55 *** entropy [~maeror@ppp78-37-60-45.pppoe.komi.dslavangard.ru] has joined #openttd 05:09:03 <WhiteRhino> What's up? And, g'morning. =D 05:12:19 *** fjb [~frank@p5485BDA5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 05:14:50 <lordnokon> i cant view my income and cost 05:15:02 <lordnokon> only my total balance, and its not minimized 05:17:11 <lordnokon> is there a way to stop industries to go up and down in production and only stay on one amount 05:17:38 <lordnokon> and how do i create multi headed trains without having one at the beginning and the end 05:18:32 <WhiteRhino> I actually don't have much of an answer for most of those questions.. except that I think you can only put a second engine on the rear of a train. 05:18:41 <Eddi|zuHause> you buy another engine and attach it like a wagon 05:23:55 <lordnokon> let me try that quickly 05:26:38 <lordnokon> ok seem to work, just a shame you cant remove the back enige 05:26:41 <Eddi|zuHause> oh, btw. there is an industry production cheat 05:26:55 <Eddi|zuHause> where you can manually adjust production at will 05:27:29 <lordnokon> ja i know about that option, but it sucks to have to change 500 industies all the time 05:30:16 <Eddi|zuHause> some engines are forced to be double headed, you cannot remove the rear head of such an engine 05:30:57 <WhiteRhino> Can you put an extra pair of engines on if they're already double-headed? Like T.I.M. =P 05:31:02 <Eddi|zuHause> you can use vehicle set grfs, they usually offer more options on train constellations 05:31:14 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, WhiteRhino 05:31:39 <WhiteRhino> NEat. 05:32:11 <lordnokon> eddi how to i do the vechicle set grfs 05:34:58 <Eddi|zuHause> that is explained in great detail on the wiki 05:38:35 <lordnokon> ill have a look 05:39:30 <lordnokon> dammit this finances window is starting to become a huge problem for me, because i cant see what my vechiles, planes, and trains are making 05:40:18 <Eddi|zuHause> do you have a screenshot? 05:40:33 <Eddi|zuHause> (ctrl+s) 05:40:38 <lordnokon> where must a send it to 05:41:57 <Eddi|zuHause> to an image uploading site, e.g. imageshack 05:42:15 <lordnokon> ag sorry my bad 05:46:57 <lordnokon> eddi http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q107/lordnokon/SolutionsBeyondTransport16thNov2044.png 05:50:53 <Eddi|zuHause> tip: if you type E<tab>, i will actually take notice that you want to tell me something 05:51:51 <lordnokon> cool 05:52:54 <Eddi|zuHause> that window indeed looks weird... 05:55:14 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think i have seen anything like this before 05:55:41 <lordnokon> it just happenend out of the blue, i take it with all the modifications the amounts can go into the billions and more?? 05:56:24 <Eddi|zuHause> sorry, i can't help you there 05:57:27 <goodger> hmm, no obvious overflow 05:58:11 *** evandar [~evandar@213.168.176.142] has joined #openttd 06:00:09 <lordnokon> i remember in the old days if you started to make to much money you went into the red 06:00:14 <lordnokon> but nothing like that 06:02:04 <Eddi|zuHause> that has been solved 06:04:38 <lordnokon> do you think i should try and reinstall the openttd 06:05:16 <Eddi|zuHause> that's a typical windows mentality 06:05:31 <Eddi|zuHause> "if it does not work, just reinstall it" 06:05:52 <Eddi|zuHause> you can try defragmentation as well... 06:06:12 <Eddi|zuHause> or you perform a rain dance 06:06:37 <goodger> ..which has arisen out of the fact that windows problems are commonly solved with reinstallation of either windows or the offending software, since file corruption apparently occurs spontaneously 06:06:46 <Eddi|zuHause> that has probably a higher chance of actually finding the cause of the problem 06:08:44 *** evandar [~evandar@xbl.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:14:32 * petern considers the benefits of tea 06:32:12 *** einKarl [~einKarl@91-66-180-201-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 06:34:57 *** Sir-Bob [~chatzilla@c114-76-62-29.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008120122]] 06:50:44 *** einKarl [~einKarl@91-66-180-201-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:52:48 <dihedral> morning 06:54:39 <goodger> morning dihedral 06:56:08 <goodger> dihedral: snow on thursday :D 07:00:30 <dihedral> we have had snow here since monday :-) 07:00:37 <goodger> I know 07:00:44 <goodger> I want some 07:01:05 <goodger> I haven't seen any snow since 2005-11-25 07:02:15 <Eddi|zuHause> snow is so rare that you remember the exact dates? 07:02:25 <goodger> Eddi|zuHause: yes. yes it is 07:02:30 <lordnokon> dammit its 38 degree's here 07:02:47 * edeca waves and goes to work 07:03:54 <goodger> lordnokon: centigrade, or obscure US customary scale? 07:04:44 <lordnokon> uhmmm not sure have much that is in centigrade 07:04:46 <lordnokon> let me check 07:05:08 <Eddi|zuHause> actually, Farenheit was a german 07:05:22 <goodger> lordnokon: I mean, you said "38 degrees" --- do you mean celsius or fahrenheit? 07:05:40 <goodger> Eddi|zuHause: that may be so, but it doesn't mean the scale he invented is now an obscure US-only customary unit 07:06:02 <goodger> *is not now 07:06:09 <goodger> I've had too much wine 07:07:10 <lordnokon> 38 celsius 07:07:58 <goodger> ah 07:09:03 <dihedral> lordnokon, where are you from? 07:09:26 <goodger> dihedral: south africa 07:09:28 <goodger> apparently 07:11:34 <dihedral> lordnokon, you wanna do me a fav? 07:11:54 <dihedral> could you join the autonightly game, for like 5 mins? 07:15:20 <Rubidium> petern: what has modified your nightly server? 07:24:30 <lordnokon> huh?? 07:24:49 <lordnokon> thats correct im from south africa 07:24:55 <lordnokon> im a systems administrator 07:25:39 <goodger> lordnokon: "you wanna do me a fav?" means "do you want to do a favour for me?" which means "if you would like to help me," 07:25:48 <lordnokon> lol 07:25:57 <lordnokon> i know what it means 07:26:05 <lordnokon> what do you want me to do 07:26:09 <goodger> oh, ok 07:26:17 <goodger> he wants you to join autonightly game 07:26:35 <lordnokon> i've neva done it before so you guys would have to explain to me 07:31:09 <petern> Rubidium, a locally applied patch, clearly 07:33:57 <dihedral> lordnokon, you do know how to download openttd and start it up, right? 07:34:10 <dihedral> i mean - i assume you do - you are chilling in the openttd channel 07:34:26 <dihedral> you just need to get the latest nightly and join the game 07:34:26 <lordnokon> lol yes i do 07:34:39 <lordnokon> where do i get the latest nightly 07:34:54 <lordnokon> guys you must remember im very new to all of this opensource changes on ttd 07:35:06 <dihedral> which os? 07:35:06 <lordnokon> i use to play this game like 10 years ago if not longer 07:35:13 <lordnokon> vista 64 07:35:29 <dihedral> http://binaries.openttd.org/nightlies/trunk/r14782/openttd-trunk-r14782-windows-win64.zip 07:36:07 <dihedral> i just assume to see a 'bad packet' error 07:36:27 <dihedral> i have seen it a few times with people connecting from SA 07:38:57 <Rubidium> dihedral: you should've shown him www.openttd.org/download-trunk 07:39:41 <Rubidium> cause tomorrow the link you gave will not "work" anymore 07:40:16 <goodger> Rubidium: surely he won't be using that link tomorrow 07:40:28 <dihedral> Rubidium, he said he's in sys-admin 07:40:46 <dihedral> i assume he will be capable of finding stuff out for himself actually 07:41:02 <lordnokon> where must i extract the files to 07:41:04 <dihedral> if not - he's gonna be the worst sys-admin i've seen (apart from that one kid in the forums) 07:41:04 <Rubidium> dihedral: ever seen "The IT Crowd"? 07:41:15 <Forked> Did you try turning it off and on again? 07:41:30 <dihedral> Rubidium, now that i see the response - i get your point 07:41:31 <goodger> ^_^ 07:41:41 <dihedral> lordnokon, what do you do with an archive? 07:41:45 <dihedral> extract it! 07:41:47 <goodger> have you noticed that Roy wears a different t-shirt in every episode? 07:42:18 <dihedral> Rubidium, no - i have not seen it - i'll see if i can find something on youtube :-) 07:42:19 <Rubidium> well... I was more referring to "Jen" as being in IT 07:43:59 <dihedral> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRmxXp62O8g <- hehehe 07:44:48 <goodger> dihedral: it's about unmotivated computer support technician Roy, his extremely nerdy (almost certainly autistic) colleague Moss, their boss Jen, who knows nothing at all about computers and lied on her CV, and their boss, an unattractive fat idiot who constantly lusts after jen 07:44:50 <goodger> it's gold 07:45:09 <goodger> "this video is not available in your country", it says. hrmph 07:45:29 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 07:45:32 <lordnokon> geez guys i know ive got to extract lol, but to which dir the game dir?? 07:45:37 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:45:37 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 07:45:50 <lordnokon> sorry, like i keep saying im totaly new at the opensource ttd 07:46:40 <dihedral> lordnokon, that has nothing to do with it being open source 07:46:56 <dihedral> if you extract the zip you downloaded, you will find a magical file 07:47:08 <dihedral> it's called README.txt 07:47:14 <lordnokon> ive extracted the files 07:47:44 <dihedral> now! if you open that file, say with your prefered editor (let the be MS Word 2008 if you want) you can actually read the contents of that file 07:48:06 <dihedral> it will - stragely enough - tell you all about the wee tid bits of getting it to run! 07:48:25 <dihedral> what have i bought upon myself? 07:48:27 <lordnokon> i know that, but its so much easier to just tell me what you want me to do 07:48:43 <lordnokon> do you want me to install the patch, because i've already got that version installed 07:48:49 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77DBA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:48:52 <dihedral> <lordnokon> im a systems administrator <- i dont believe you no more 07:48:59 <lordnokon> or do you want me to copy those dir to the game folder 07:49:11 <dihedral> lordnokon, get back to work ;-) 07:49:13 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77DBA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:49:21 <lordnokon> :( 07:49:37 <dihedral> sorry - but i did expect you to use your thinker a bit for yourself! 07:50:02 <goodger> dihedral: he might be an MSCE... 07:50:23 <dihedral> uh...! 07:50:30 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest412 07:50:34 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-67-2.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 07:50:36 <lordnokon> msce 2000/2003/2008 with ISA and exchange 07:50:57 <dihedral> i know it's hard to get there.... but seriously...? 07:50:58 <goodger> there you go! 07:51:10 <goodger> he's not a system administrator at all, he only thinks he is 07:51:16 <WhiteRhino> Now I look like the simple guy around here but what's an MSCE? >.> 07:51:46 <goodger> WhiteRhino: microsoft certified engineer... basically it means you know how to use a point-and-click server configuration interface for windows servers 07:51:53 <WhiteRhino> Ahhh... 07:52:01 <goodger> Yes. 07:52:13 <Forked> I've never had much faith in the microsoft certs 07:52:14 <lordnokon> thats why world wide 95% of all companies use them... so what does that tell you 07:52:23 <dihedral> WhiteRhino, http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=MSCE 07:52:43 <goodger> lordnokon: that tells me that microsoft's marketing department is extremely well-funded 07:52:43 <WhiteRhino> Bah. I come here for the people, so sometimes I'd rather talk to the people. So nyah. 07:52:59 <lordnokon> oh come on guys, just because im nor sure what you want me to do with the files doesnt mean i dont know what im doing 07:53:10 * goodger is going to try the everyman sleep schedule in order to try and sort out his brain 07:53:12 <lordnokon> lol 07:54:24 <WhiteRhino> If I looked up every question I had instead of asking you nice people, I'd likely never have said word one. 07:54:28 <goodger> lordnokon: being able to compile software from a tarball in a standard build environment is considered basic knowledge 07:54:33 <dihedral> lordnokon, get it running (there is an *.exe!!! you should know what that is!) 07:54:37 <goodger> wait... 07:54:41 <lordnokon> yes 07:54:45 <lordnokon> which one 07:54:47 <lordnokon> there's two 07:54:48 <dihedral> goodger, he got a build! 07:54:51 <goodger> this tarball is precompiled! 07:55:03 <goodger> lordnokon: the one called openttd.exe 07:55:20 <lordnokon> ok 07:55:35 <goodger> and no! there are _not_ two executables in that tarball 07:55:51 *** Guest412 [~Dale@pool-71-98-67-2.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:56:19 <goodger> *headdesk* 07:56:22 <lordnokon> give me a sec to copy all of those files to the game directory 07:56:33 <lordnokon> oh come goodger get over it now 07:56:41 <WhiteRhino> *patpats Goodger* It'll be allright. 07:56:49 <goodger> lordnokon: you're meant to just extract the whole tarball to a new directory 07:57:14 <goodger> (and then copy data files from your original ttd, as it says in the readme) 07:57:20 <goodger> thanks WhiteRhino 07:57:33 <WhiteRhino> =D 07:57:47 <goodger> hmm, for some reason my cat smells overwhelmingly of cat food, despite not having recently eaten any 07:57:58 <dihedral> <dihedral> lordnokon, you do know how to download openttd and start it up, right? 07:57:59 <dihedral> <lordnokon> lol yes i do 07:58:03 <WhiteRhino> Perhaps the scent comes from the wrong end. 07:58:15 <goodger> WhiteRhino: I'm not smelling that end... 07:58:27 <dihedral> goodger, the digestion system :-) 07:58:52 <dihedral> does not always have to lead to the rear! :-P 07:58:55 <WhiteRhino> The cat could carry with it a cloud of catfood funk. Just a thought. 07:59:01 <goodger> heh 07:59:22 <dihedral> and some cats to have a poop-face :-D 07:59:38 <WhiteRhino> Rrgh! This website links to a downloadable file.. but that link just redirects you to the site's main page! 08:00:03 <goodger> hmm, my car's windscreen has now iced up; since it's facing the house, which is warm and poorly insulated, this means the exterior temperature is exceedingly low 08:00:11 <goodger> WhiteRhino: what page? 08:00:32 <WhiteRhino> Gamershell.com 08:00:46 <dihedral> it's not openttd - sorry, there is no support for that 08:00:55 <goodger> heh 08:01:04 <WhiteRhino> Oh. I was more lamenting out loud, sorry. >.< 08:01:05 <lordnokon> sorry had to attend to another problem 08:01:11 <goodger> I didn't know gamershell was still running 08:01:14 <lordnokon> ok i extract all the files into a dir 08:01:23 <WhiteRhino> It's certainly not running well. =P 08:01:37 <lordnokon> you want me now to copy all of those files into the openttd dir or into the orginal location of the game 08:01:37 <goodger> lordnokon: have you actually read the readme file? 08:01:50 <lordnokon> nope 08:01:56 <goodger> no, we want you to copy the _data_ files into the _data_ directory 08:02:05 <goodger> as it says in the README FILE 08:02:10 <lordnokon> ok there's a data dir 08:02:20 <lordnokon> copy those files to the installation dir 08:02:23 <lordnokon> correct?? 08:02:33 <WhiteRhino> This is becoming like.. my mom trying to use the computer bad. 08:02:35 <goodger> to the DATA directory! 08:03:09 <lordnokon> ok i did that 08:03:18 <WhiteRhino> Like Abbott and Costello but about computers. 08:03:38 <dihedral> lordnokon, read wiki.openttd.org 08:04:14 <dihedral> seriously! i am not in the mood at all anymore to support that! 08:04:21 <goodger> I didn't know MSCE stood for "mostly stupid, constantly emetic" 08:04:34 <lordnokon> go to hell 08:05:27 <lordnokon> all im getting now is that the openttddw.grf is corrupted or missing 08:06:07 <dihedral> hehehe 08:06:34 * goodger would go to bed, but he's too intrigued by lordnokon 08:07:24 *** Wolle [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0F0C1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:07:30 <goodger> specifically, how long will he take before deciding to read the readmefile 08:07:41 <dihedral> perhaps [com]buster has still got some popcorn? 08:07:53 <goodger> ooh, good idea 08:07:54 <WhiteRhino> Now, do you say your name like "Wooley" or is it like "Wall" but with a funny-E? 08:08:48 <goodger> WhiteRhino: wolle is pronounced "vol", possibly with a short "a" ("volla"), it's german 08:08:55 <goodger> for wool 08:09:15 <WhiteRhino> That's actually pretty nifty. I learn something every day. 08:09:18 <goodger> baumwolle meaning cotton... I learned this from my clothing labels 08:09:45 <WhiteRhino> Honestly, and I hope nobody takes this the wrong way, but the only German I learned as a kid came from Wolfenstein 3D. >.> 08:10:41 <goodger> WhiteRhino: I sat through two years of german lessons in secondary school. I think your exposure was slightly better for learning from 08:11:16 <goodger> I'm not old enough to have played W3D when it was considered "current"... 08:11:32 <WhiteRhino> How old are you? o.O 08:11:43 <dihedral> you dont ask girls that! 08:11:43 <goodger> eighteen 08:11:51 <goodger> die, dihedral :P 08:11:51 <WhiteRhino> Jesus wept, I feel like an old man now. 08:12:10 <goodger> I think I played it when I was 10 08:12:10 <dihedral> WhiteRhino, for that you do behave rather childish - so no need to get irate! 08:12:29 <WhiteRhino> I behave childishly? >.> 08:12:32 <goodger> WhiteRhino: I thought you were younger than me 08:12:34 <lordnokon> i've read the readme.txt file and like all other shit readme.txt tells me nothing more then i already worked out for myself 08:13:18 <goodger> hmm... my car's door seems to have frozen shut. I will have to use the de-icer on it to open it --- unfortunately the de-icer is inside the car 08:13:23 <dihedral> well - then you should know what you are looking for by now! 08:13:27 <dihedral> and what you need to do 08:13:33 <dihedral> and the rest of the info is on the wiki pages 08:13:42 <dihedral> and seriously - you are supposed to be a sys-admin 08:13:53 <goodger> dihedral: s/sysadmin/msce 08:14:03 <WhiteRhino> And I'm not really irate; I'm actually having a pretty good time right now. 08:15:04 <lordnokon> =dihedral system admin and games have nothing to do with each other, 08:15:59 <lordnokon> let me ask you this, can you setup a full redantend blade servers with clusertering and a SAN storage solution to replecated between two sites 08:16:41 <goodger> lordnokon: no, but you cannot determine what file to run, in a directory with one executable 08:17:27 <dihedral> lordnokon, i am in IT, i have a few years of sysadmin experience administrating linux systems, and i am in software development right now 08:18:00 <dihedral> and to me sysadmin mean, being able to read documentation, understanding it, finding out stuff for yourself, etc! 08:18:24 <dihedral> i mean - you are asking questions we get from 14 year olds 08:18:30 <goodger> "wikipedia --- a non-profit project" --- ha! bollocks 08:19:00 <lordnokon> this is a chat room right, where help is suppose to be given to people who do not know how to use everything. Correct!! then stop being so harsh on people. 08:19:23 <lordnokon> i just thought it would be easier to ask people who's been playing with this game for a long time on what to do. 08:19:28 <goodger> we aren't obliged to help, you know 08:19:41 <lordnokon> no get some stupid insualts from people like you 08:20:02 <goodger> we try to help, but it's infuriating being asked questions that are put into the readme file for the express purpose of stopping people from having to ask them 08:20:12 <lordnokon> goodger then shut your mouth then if you do not want to help 08:20:19 <goodger> therefore, if you refuse to read the readme file, you are open to ridicule 08:20:43 <WhiteRhino> Ohh dear. *ducks and covers* 08:21:01 <dihedral> lordnokon, bad choice of words if you are the one wanting something from people in this channel 08:21:36 <goodger> I was under the impression that even MSCEs were trained to read documentation before calling the support line 08:21:39 <lordnokon> no, i asked to be help, i read the readme file, and all you people are doing is kakking me out 08:21:52 <dihedral> sure :-) 08:22:15 <dihedral> you said 'yes' when i wondered if you could setup openttd 08:22:20 <dihedral> so you kinda asked for it 08:22:28 <dihedral> now - lets start windowsish for ya 08:22:49 <dihedral> extract the archive to it's own folder 08:23:05 <dihedral> (meaning there is nothing else in that folder but the stuff you extracted) 08:23:29 <dihedral> you read the read me, and find out what you require to run the game (some extra grf's) 08:23:43 <dihedral> and you also find out where you need to copy them to. (hint: the data folder) 08:23:59 <lordnokon> i did copy them to that folder 08:24:04 <dihedral> then you double click (with the left mouse button) on openttd.exe 08:24:12 <lordnokon> and once is started to launch the game i got a error 08:24:36 <dihedral> did you find the original game files? 08:24:58 <dihedral> i mean those files you are supposed to find on the TTD CD-Rom 08:24:59 <lordnokon> yes i have 08:25:07 <dihedral> sample.cat etc. 08:25:20 <lordnokon> i see that file 08:25:24 <dihedral> wonderful 08:25:38 <dihedral> and you do have an openttdw.grf too, right? 08:25:56 <lordnokon> in the orginal game folder or in program files 08:26:00 <lordnokon> opentdd 08:26:22 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14885 /trunk/src/settings_gui.cpp: -Fix: if settings minimum != 1 and 0-is-disabled is enabled, one could set the setting in-game to an out-of-valid-range value. 08:26:40 <lordnokon> in openttd file yes 08:26:44 <lordnokon> got that file 08:26:59 <dihedral> it should be in the data folder iirc 08:27:07 <dihedral> anyway - try replacing it with this file http://svn.openttd.org/trunk/bin/data/openttdw.grf 08:27:15 <lordnokon> ja 08:28:00 <lordnokon> ok 08:28:14 <dihedral> lordnokon, now please give me an honest answer: did you ever play OpenTTD? 08:28:19 * goodger and WhiteRhino sit in the corner silently, smirking and trying not to giggle 08:28:24 <Rubidium> what does the readme say about the placement of openttdw.grf? 08:28:40 <Forked> are you still in need of popcorn? 08:28:45 <lordnokon> your openttdw.grf is corrupted or missing! the file was part of your installation 08:28:55 <goodger> Forked: not to so much an extent, but thanks for the offer 08:29:10 <Rubidium> or rather... what does the readme say about files installed with openttd? 08:29:10 <WhiteRhino> Hehe 08:29:12 <goodger> I have cornflakes now 08:30:57 <WhiteRhino> Wonder if Thief could work on this box I'm on with Windows ME. 08:31:14 <goodger> Me? ugh :S 08:31:51 <WhiteRhino> Yeah.. it's my mom's computer. Rather, the computer my dad put together for my mom so she would "stop screwing up his." Apparently she isn't so good at the whole Start->Shutdown proceedure and goes straight for the power button. 08:32:32 <goodger> ...but the power button should trigger an ACPI instruction that begins that same start->shutdown procedure 08:32:51 <goodger> does the machine predate ACPI? :S 08:33:22 <WhiteRhino> My family uses a sort of powerstrip with switchse for the different stuff plugged in. One for the modem, one for the speakers, etc. She would just flick the Master switch off and everything shuts down. 08:33:29 <goodger> oh god. 08:33:49 <WhiteRhino> Now personally I do the shutdown dealy and wait for everything to shut off on its own before I turn that off. 08:34:08 <dihedral> i have all my computer stuff connected to remote controlled power strips :-D 08:34:17 <goodger> hm 08:34:20 <dihedral> i just press a button on the remove to turn various stuff on or off 08:34:26 <WhiteRhino> The only electronics that she seems savvy with is a handheld Yahtzee game they got at a yard sale. 08:34:31 <goodger> my computer has been running continually for five days, and before that, there was a power cut 08:34:33 <dihedral> lights, computers, etc. :-) 08:34:41 <goodger> s/cut/outage/ [en_US] 08:35:16 <WhiteRhino> I can generally deduce what your fancy words might mean if someone in the US said them. ;) 08:35:52 <goodger> did you try explaining in graphic detail that the disk heads will grind themselves into the platters in a manner reminiscent of an airliner crashing into a city? 08:36:07 <goodger> *crash-landing 08:36:33 <WhiteRhino> My dad used to, and she'd even write herself notes on how to do stuff. Apparently she fell back into the habit of hitting the Master switch 'cus my dad was yelling like an angry gorilla the other night. 08:36:38 <goodger> with "yaaaooorm" noises and flailing of arms 08:36:46 <goodger> heh 08:36:57 <WhiteRhino> Just about expected him to start doing the diagonal simian-bash move with his arms and stuff on the junk in the room. 08:37:14 <goodger> 0.0 08:37:18 <goodger> ok.. 08:37:42 <WhiteRhino> *cough* Anyway, yeah, so... she hasn't used the computer again in quite a while since actually. That I know of, given my odd sleep habits. 08:38:29 <goodger> well, that will probably extend the life of your FAT32 filesystem by a while... 08:38:31 <WhiteRhino> How did we get on this..? Oh, right, Thief. Kinda hesitant to try installing it yet.. 08:38:45 <dihedral> hehe - someone has gone awfully quiet 08:38:48 <goodger> though I'm surprised that the WinMe installation has survived this long 08:38:54 <goodger> dihedral: indeed 08:39:06 <WhiteRhino> Perhaps it's working and, like me, the little trains and cars have hypnotized him. 08:39:12 <goodger> heh 08:39:23 <goodger> have you reformatted and reinstalled it regularly, or has it managed to survive a whole decade? 08:39:37 <goodger> even windows XP can only last 30 months in my experience 08:39:59 <WhiteRhino> I'm actually not sure when they hooked this beast up. I only had to move back in about a week before Thanksgiving. 08:40:40 <goodger> *mutter* third thursday... week before... er... 08:40:49 <goodger> early mid november? 08:41:21 <WhiteRhino> Oh, right. *cough* Thanksgiving is a holiday on the third Thursday of November. It's generally centered around a big meal involving turkey, mashed potatos and such. =D 08:41:28 <goodger> yes, yes, I know 08:41:45 <goodger> I'm just having trouble working out when you're talking about when you say "the week before thanksgiving 2008" 08:41:55 <WhiteRhino> *snickers* I had heard that people over on the other side of the map don't celebrate (and occasionally don't know) it. 08:42:09 <WhiteRhino> Ahh, right. So like... halfway through November, yeah. 08:42:25 <goodger> 96% of the world do not celebrate it AFAIK 08:42:37 <goodger> i.e. only the USA 08:42:43 <WhiteRhino> I'm not used to chatting with so many people who are not living in the US. It's kinda refreshing. 08:43:01 <goodger> just out of curiosity, did you get laid off due to the recession or do you enjoy the wallpaper in your parents' house? 08:43:16 <WhiteRhino> Closest I've come is when I stumbled on the Spanish server while playing Gunbound. 08:43:43 <WhiteRhino> Well.. I lived in Illinois for a little over a year before they got together a list of my faults and kicked me out. 08:43:55 <goodger> ah. inconsiderate of them 08:44:21 <goodger> well, virtually everyone in #openttd is from northern central europe, since this is the only place in the world with a decent rail network 08:44:28 <WhiteRhino> Yeah, but I can sort of see it from their side at times. I then lived with a friend in Vermont who - no word of a lie - kicked me out because I sometimes doze off while my mind is wandering and I'm watching TV and I start snoring. 08:45:07 <goodger> :S 08:45:38 <WhiteRhino> Yeah. Train stations and rails are pretty rare in most of the US that I've been to. I used to show up at a station an hour early to pick up a friend on his commute from work just so I could watch the trains go by. 08:45:51 *** vraa [~vraa@h20.191.213.151.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:45:52 <goodger> heh 08:46:10 <goodger> I can see the train station from my house, it goes all the way to london without stopping... 08:46:24 <goodger> well, it stops, but it doesn't terminate 08:46:35 <WhiteRhino> Nice. Ever considered hopping on a car and seeing if you can make it all the way there? =D 08:48:30 <goodger> no, unfortunately the new passengers are asked for their tickets within about twenty minutes [two stops] and the conductors change twice through the journey so they do a complete ticket check 08:48:34 <WhiteRhino> Or is that as weird a question as it looks when I reread it for myself? =P 08:49:19 <goodger> it's possible to do my daily commute without buying a ticket, however, as the conductors don't bother to check for tickets during this 8-mile period 08:49:25 <WhiteRhino> Ahh. Sometimes when freight was heading through the station I'd wait at, I'd get an urge to try and hop onto one of the cars that carried the big metal containers and see where it took me. 08:49:29 <goodger> heh 08:49:50 <goodger> however, instead of fare-dodging on the train, I drive in 08:50:16 <goodger> since fare-dodging is somewhat immoral and very illegal, and driving is cheaper than fares and much more convenient 08:50:36 *** vraa [~vraa@h216.75.29.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #openttd 08:50:41 <WhiteRhino> Oddly, as much as I love trains, the only time I've ever been on one was when I was a baby. All I have is a vague memory of the ceiling and lightly shaking and train sounds. 08:50:58 <goodger> heh 08:51:22 <WhiteRhino> My friends in Illinois used to say that someday we'd take a train into Chicago and hang out one night.. we never did. 08:52:03 <goodger> it varies greatly by country, but the ones around here are of two types: the ones that are two joined carriages with very loud diesel engines under the floor, and the ones that are nine carriages with _very_ loud diesel locomotives at each end 08:52:18 <goodger> the former is very uncomfortable, and the latter is very comfortable 08:52:48 <dihedral> booooring 08:52:55 <Rubidium> how hard can it be to board a train? :) 08:53:00 <goodger> unfortunately, the latter doesn't stop at my station, because the town is only 2700 people... 08:53:03 <Rubidium> even I could do it when I was in the US 08:53:33 <WhiteRhino> I dunno, but the freight ones only seemed like they were going like.... ten mph at most? 08:53:41 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 08:54:10 <Rubidium> I even took almost all modes of transportation when I was there, except motor cycles/scooters 08:54:21 <goodger> :) 08:54:26 <WhiteRhino> If you mean buying a ticket just to take a trip, then know that I'm currently broke and have absolutely nowhere I know of I'd like to go. 08:54:36 <goodger> heh 08:54:46 <Rubidium> the freight train I saw when driving a deteriorated part of the old Route 66 went much faster than that 08:55:28 <WhiteRhino> I think the one going by the station in IL was slowly accelerating after some hill, curve or other station. 08:55:29 *** entropy [~maeror@ppp78-37-60-45.pppoe.komi.dslavangard.ru] has left #openttd [] 08:55:42 <goodger> hmm 08:55:48 <lordnokon> got to work 08:55:59 <lordnokon> what was the hole point of this installation change 08:56:02 <goodger> the freight trains around here [china clay, very heavy] all move at about 20mph 08:56:21 <lordnokon> is there anything ill be able to pick up that changes?? 08:56:40 <lordnokon> seeing that this is a update till the new patch get release 08:56:55 <WhiteRhino> Speaking of, I've been looking at stuff I can add into OpenTTD and the whole ECSVectors thing looks kinda interesting. 08:58:28 <dihedral> patch? 08:58:35 <WhiteRhino> Speaking of China Clay, I mean.. I think some sort of clay was mentioned in there.. 08:58:46 <dihedral> lordnokon, i actually was hoping you could join my autonightly server for a test, but in the mean time..... 08:58:52 <dihedral> i dont think it's worth it :-P 08:59:05 <petern> cold :o 08:59:22 <goodger> WhiteRhino: ah. you should come to cornwall. we have an entire range of small mountains composed entirely of china clay spoil 08:59:38 <goodger> and a matching set of lakes 08:59:39 <lordnokon> well i got it to work 08:59:58 <goodger> why the miners didn't just dump the spoil back in the holes I have no idea, but it looks very interesting 09:00:04 <lordnokon> im going through wiki to see what all of things things mean what you are referring to 09:01:26 <WhiteRhino> I get kinda fascinated with trains and such.. I used to love flying into Midway airport in Illinois because we'd fly over a big deep quarry or two before landing, and a railyard. 09:02:08 <goodger> heh 09:03:06 <goodger> going by train into london is cool, because the main station has fourteen platforms and a huge amount of tracks and sidings that you go past 09:03:33 <goodger> driving to london, on the other hand, is terrible, because of the M25 (look it up...) 09:03:36 <petern> which station do you end up at, waterloo? 09:04:06 <goodger> paddington 09:04:10 <petern> ah 09:04:25 <goodger> not sure where waterloo goes actually 09:04:44 <goodger> I know st pancreatic goes to the north and also does the eurostar 09:06:03 <petern> heh, which waterloo used to do 09:06:09 <petern> eurostar that is 09:06:23 <WhiteRhino> Saint Pancreatic? 09:06:43 <goodger> WhiteRhino: as in "pancreatic cancer"; the station's actual name is st pancras 09:07:14 <WhiteRhino> Ahh. I was gonna say.. I'm not even sure what the pancreas does. =P People have probably told me in the past and I've forgotten. 09:07:30 <WhiteRhino> I really am pretty simple. o.o 09:07:46 *** vraa [~vraa@h216.75.29.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:07:50 <goodger> ah, waterloo does the southeast and southwest [excluding the southwest of the southwest] 09:07:56 <petern> yup 09:08:36 *** vraa [~vraa@h0.67.89.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #openttd 09:08:47 <goodger> it's pretty ridiculous that south west trains have that name, because their services do not extend further southwest than exeter AFAIK 09:09:09 <petern> from the london-centric view, it's south west 09:09:09 *** roboboy [72489198@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 09:09:15 <petern> cornwall is a separate country 09:09:21 <WhiteRhino> Yeah. Reminds me of how Southwest airlines will fly from Massachusetts (where I am now) to Illinois, but not from Illinois to Vermont. 09:09:59 <goodger> 0.o 09:10:32 <goodger> lordnokon: do not do that 09:10:50 <goodger> ...are southwest airlines aware of the locations of MA, IL and whatever-vermont's-two-letter-name-is? i.e. northwest? 09:11:01 <goodger> *northeast and great lakes 09:11:46 <WhiteRhino> VT. =) I would think so.. instead I had to take one flight to New York and then a short flight to Vermont. And some guy in New York told me to go to gate 1 when my flight was boarding in five minutes at gate 18. So I nearly missed it. 09:12:06 <WhiteRhino> At least the non-Southwest flights I had to take had TVs built into the back of the seats. 09:12:29 <goodger> heh 09:13:49 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77DBA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:13:59 *** roboboy [72489198@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [] 09:14:37 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77DBA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:15:14 *** roboboy [724882ae@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 09:15:34 <lordnokon> do what 09:16:11 <lordnokon> can anyone maybe tell me how to remove the second train of multiheaded train please 09:16:20 <dihedral> lordnokon, i dont want a dcc chat with you ;-) 09:16:45 <petern> you can't remove the second engine of a multihead train if it was built as one unit 09:17:30 <lordnokon> vlieg in jou moer in dan 09:19:09 <petern> pardon? 09:19:33 <lordnokon> petern wasnt ment for you was for +dehedral 09:20:12 <goodger> heh, he's even using mirc! :D 09:20:48 <goodger> lordnokon: I don't think dihedral speaks dutch either 09:21:46 <lordnokon> its afrikaans big differents between that and dutch 09:22:11 <goodger> well, then, there's even less chance of him understanding you 09:23:21 <WhiteRhino> Hehehe. 09:25:09 <dihedral> i would actually assume that to be some unfriendly stuff - only reason i can imagine you not expressing yourself in the english language 09:25:53 <lordnokon> nope 09:26:18 <goodger> dihedral: from dutch, google translate says "fly nut than you" and "fliegen Mutter, als Sie"... :S 09:26:19 <lordnokon> i was thinking in afrikaans therefor i typed in afrikaans 09:26:43 <lordnokon> trust on google to give you the right answer 09:26:59 <lordnokon> like i said use differents between dutch and afrikaans 09:27:31 <dihedral> actually i aint gonna try to translate that - if you cannot say it in english i dont feel like it's worth me investing any effort :-P 09:27:34 <lordnokon> lol 09:27:37 <dihedral> hihi :-) 09:27:44 <goodger> well, google doesn't know afrikaans 09:28:20 <lordnokon> uh wrong answer, it does support translation very well 09:28:25 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77DBA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:28:55 <lordnokon> may i ask some more question or are you guys going to hang me 09:28:56 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77DBA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:30:29 <goodger> "Languages available for translation: Arabic, Bulgarian, Catalan, Chinese, Croatian, Czech, Danish, Dutch, English, Filipino, Finnish, French, German, Greek, Hebrew, Hindi, Indonesian, Italian, Japanese, Korean, Latvian, Lithuanian, Norwegian, Polish, Portuguese, Romanian, Russian, Serbian, Slovak, Slovenian, Spanish, Swedish, Ukrainian and Vietnamese" 09:30:37 <dihedral> you can always ask lordnokon ;-) 09:30:51 <goodger> where in that list is afrikaans in your reality bubble? 09:30:52 <dihedral> asking if you can ask is rather something one should not ask about 09:31:09 <dihedral> goodger, google is available in many languages 09:31:30 <dihedral> erhaps that very language is just not there for the english version of the translator :-P 09:31:31 <lordnokon> ja but, im a bit gatvol for being taken the piss out for asking questions 09:31:44 <dihedral> get over it! 09:31:48 <goodger> lordnokon: for asking _stupid_ questions 09:32:08 <petern> you asked a question, it got answered, and then you wrote something in a different language 09:32:16 <lordnokon> well i learned that very quick here 09:32:36 <lordnokon> ja but im not taking about that question petern 09:33:57 *** enra [~enra@203-59-199-114.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #openttd 09:35:45 <goodger> still no snow here :( however, cloud has appeared, and the temperatures remain <0 09:36:23 <petern> euston, we have a problem... 09:36:47 <goodger> maybe some snow later... 09:37:08 <WhiteRhino> This is a fantastic sandwich but is probably horrible for me. 09:37:10 <goodger> ah, temperature is now 0 09:37:18 <goodger> WhiteRhino: list the ingredients? 09:37:50 <WhiteRhino> 1.75oz beerwurst sausage for beer, 2.0oz pasturized process cheese with jalapeno peppers, and a small handful of pepperoni slices. 09:38:18 <WhiteRhino> The two measured ingredients are the kind of little sausages and cheeses you find in those Christmas gift packages. 09:38:45 <goodger> ah 09:38:56 <goodger> ...yes, that sounds particularly unhealthy 09:39:14 <goodger> salt, fat, salt, flavour enhancers, fat, and salt 09:39:24 <WhiteRhino> Sliced up and stuffed in a torpedo roll. Tastey as hell, though.. but given that I'll likely be in bed in like an hour and a half, I'm in for some wild dreams. 09:39:42 <goodger> heh 09:40:07 <WhiteRhino> Last night I dreamed that me and a highschool bully (who had, in reality, died in Iraq) were students going to a college-version of Hogwart's. 09:40:40 <goodger> 0.o 09:40:55 <goodger> let's keep that between you, me, and the string of therapists who won't be able to help you 09:42:21 <goodger> temperature has ostensibly dropped to -1 again 09:42:38 <lordnokon> where do you stay 09:44:48 <dihedral> did you not want to ask a question? i am bored and need some amusement 09:45:50 <lordnokon> still no ideas to why my income and costs does not display?? 09:46:05 <petern> did you cheat the year? 09:46:20 <dihedral> petern, how should he - he would not know how :-P 09:46:34 <lordnokon> ctrl alt c 09:46:45 <lordnokon> come move on allready 09:46:49 <WhiteRhino> It was odd, though, 'cus in reality the kid was kind of a jerk to me but in the dream he was like my best buddy. *shrug* 09:46:55 <petern> dihedral, cheating comes naturally to some... 09:46:55 * dihedral seriously starts wondering how he ever got all those MS certificates :-P 09:47:18 <dihedral> petern, true :-) 09:48:04 <WhiteRhino> I think he might also have been around the night I asked how a person keeps the year the year of their birth for fun. =P 09:48:34 <lordnokon> oh seriously guys some of you really need to grow up 09:48:44 <lordnokon> and no it wasnt me 09:48:55 <petern> well 09:49:04 <petern> if you won't answer i won't bother either 09:49:04 <WhiteRhino> Come on, it's playful ribbing and whatnot. =P 09:49:39 <dihedral> lordnokon, cheer up :-) 09:49:45 <dihedral> it's not like we hate you 09:50:05 <lordnokon> depends what country you are from 09:50:06 <lordnokon> lol 09:50:10 <dihedral> though if cages came in larger sizes, i'd hold you as a pet..... 09:50:18 <dihedral> eh... no 09:52:07 <lordnokon> feel the love 09:52:48 *** matias [~tomu~@a91-152-231-241.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 09:53:29 <goodger> WhiteRhino: still, dreaming about going to hogwarts with an iraq victim? :s 09:54:38 <dihedral> lordnokon, it's your own fault - you should not have insulted me ;-) 09:54:45 <dihedral> not that i care that much 09:54:54 <Forked> welcome to the internet.. 09:55:02 <dihedral> but if _you_ are the one wanting stuff from this channel, you should use a different attitude 09:55:03 <lordnokon> where did i insult you 09:55:09 <WhiteRhino> It's not that weird. It's not like he was wandering around like a zombie or anything.. 09:55:24 <dihedral> WhiteRhino, you are worse than babyottd 09:55:42 <dihedral> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_South_African_slang_words 09:55:48 <dihedral> hehe 09:55:48 <WhiteRhino> I mean, I suppose it's kind of weird. The plot of the dream eventually turned into me and him and a bunch of other room-mates. And, how am I worse than that now what? o.O 09:55:50 * goodger snorts orange squash onto his keyboard 09:56:13 * dihedral extends his ignore list and adds some huge white animal to it 09:56:46 <goodger> WhiteRhino: babyottd is a "learning" bot that attempts to construct sentences based on what it hears... and it is famous for nonsensical blather 09:57:10 <WhiteRhino> Oh. Aw... Now I'm on an ignore list. =/ 09:57:39 <lordnokon> well if you werent a doos to me i would not of had to insult you 09:57:51 <WhiteRhino> ...Are you trying to say douche? 09:57:56 <dihedral> oh - so now you are aware of insulting me? 09:58:00 <goodger> dihedral: a) he's not being that insane at this time, b) you will now be maddened by watching only my side of a sentence 09:58:07 <goodger> *conversation 09:58:08 <goodger> damn 09:58:35 *** roboboy [724882ae@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 09:58:39 <WhiteRhino> Oh, wait, no, Doos is on the list. 09:59:04 <WhiteRhino> Dude, he totally called you a box. 09:59:14 *** SmoovTruck [~imptruck@174.155.120.226] has quit [Quit: "The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." --Bertrand Russell] 09:59:39 <Forked> what happend here :\ so much hostility 09:59:52 <dihedral> MSCE :-D 10:00:16 <Forked> ah. so can we blame this on microsoft? 10:00:17 <lordnokon> Clearly the maturity is lacking from some of you people 10:00:22 <goodger> Forked: an MSCE entered and started asking stupid questions like "how do I install" and refusing to read the readme, and we've basically gone from there 10:00:44 <Rubidium> Forked: someone with (allegedly multiple) MS certifications not knowing what to do with a zip file and not knowing that it'd be wise to read the readme before asking whatever's answered in said readme 10:01:01 <Rubidium> but AFAIK lots of MS stuff comes in zips with readmes 10:01:14 <petern> it's MCSE 10:01:25 <lordnokon> what eva guys 10:01:36 <petern> as Belugas would say 10:01:40 <lordnokon> you people really need to get ova yourselfs 10:01:44 <petern> # DON'T YOU FUCKING KNOW WHAT YOU ARE 10:01:56 <lordnokon> cleary you dont 10:02:12 <dihedral> actually we don't :-) 10:02:17 <dihedral> you do 10:02:32 <lordnokon> im not going on and on about the some old thing like a 5year kid 10:02:37 <goodger> now I'm confused 10:02:45 <WhiteRhino> Still sucks to be on an ignore list. Didn't know I was babbling that much.. >.> 10:03:03 <goodger> WhiteRhino: I don't think you were 10:03:22 <Forked> what is the point complaining about being on someones ignore list, if the person that is ignoring you can't see you complaining? It just increases the chance of more people adding you to their list :p 10:04:01 <petern> guragh 10:04:02 <goodger> WhiteRhino: well, that's interesting --- I think the choice is down to the inclination of the individual house paint retailer... 10:04:05 <Rubidium> and thus proving the effectiveness of the local ignore lists for getting ignored by the many 10:04:16 * petern has to attempt an upgrade on a live system with no down time... pom te pom 10:04:21 <WhiteRhino> You've got a point there. =P Sorry. 10:04:37 <Rubidium> what kind of system? 10:04:45 <Forked> Rubidium: maybe if there was a wizard with "Next" buttons we wouldn't be seeing this ;P 10:04:50 <goodger> petern: if it's running debian this should not be problematic... 10:05:06 <petern> how so? 10:05:13 <goodger> Forked: actually the windows default zipfile handler does include a wizard with "next" buttons 10:05:24 <goodger> petern: everything except the kernel can be upgraded in-place... 10:05:58 <petern> goodger: not so 10:06:07 <petern> upgraded without a reboot certainly 10:06:26 <petern> most services with a few exceptions will be stopped, upgraded, and then restarted 10:06:28 <goodger> ah, I didn't think you meant _zero_ downtime... 10:06:40 <goodger> surely ten seconds is acceptable? 10:06:59 <goodger> otherwise tell your employer it's not technically feasible 10:07:02 *** vraa_ [~vraa@h169.68.20.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #openttd 10:07:02 <petern> i hope so ;) 10:09:44 *** roboboy [72489255@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 10:09:45 *** vraa [~vraa@h0.67.89.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:11:44 <goodger> ...and I think the old version is uninstalled and the new one installed, and then the service is stopped and started... 10:12:25 <goodger> if the old version fails to upgrade, or uninstalls but does not reinstall, you still have a working server, unless you stopped it before doing all that 10:12:49 <petern> depends on the service 10:13:13 <petern> although i admit, i've only been using debian for 9 years :/ 10:15:18 <goodger> I've been using it since 2007... 10:17:01 <goodger> I was on ubuntu before then, and got annoyed with the hideous bugs 10:18:00 <goodger> I like to think I learn quickly ^_^ 10:24:41 *** ctibor [~ctibor@xbl.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 10:24:56 <WhiteRhino> I hope it gets light soon so I can bring the trash out. x.x 10:25:30 <dihedral> lordnokon, what do you do all day in sysadmin? 10:25:42 <dihedral> any nice little windows boxes to snuggle up to? 10:26:38 *** roboboy [72489255@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 10:29:39 *** roboboy [72489164@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 10:29:48 <WhiteRhino> Bah. Gotta get offline so the school can potentially call my mom to let her know not to come in. See you guys tomorrow. 10:30:32 *** WhiteRhino [White@modem172.tmlp.net] has quit [] 10:31:20 <goodger> ...he was on dialup? :S 10:31:48 <petern> :o 10:32:53 <dihedral> cute 10:33:02 <petern> Liberation Mono is nice :D 10:33:16 <goodger> better than courier new at least 10:33:28 <goodger> god knows why microsoft decided to make courier new so *thin* 10:33:44 <petern> My 0s and Os and 1s and ls are totally different... 10:35:48 *** dvo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 10:38:40 *** roboboy [72489164@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 10:49:18 *** roboboy [724897c5@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 10:56:32 *** dyzdyz [~dyzdyz@193.189.116.2] has joined #openttd 10:56:49 <dyzdyz> hi guys 10:58:27 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226153224.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 10:59:32 <dyzdyz> can anyone help me in compiling openttd? 11:00:06 <dyzdyz> or maybe shom me some other way to have openttd with features i need? 11:00:07 <Rubidium> probably 11:00:40 <dyzdyz> i need ottd with cargodest, copy&paste and yapp 11:00:53 <dyzdyz> for win64 11:01:02 <Rubidium> copypaste & yapp don't work together 11:01:13 <dyzdyz> i've got BuildOTTD, but it crashes... 11:01:38 <dyzdyz> ok, so let's try to build with cargodest+copypaste 11:01:59 <Rubidium> yapp's already in cargodest 11:02:30 <dihedral> why do people so desperately want copy&paste? 11:02:33 <Rubidium> http://www.openttd.org/download-cargodest <- that's where the latest cargodest build is 11:02:55 <dyzdyz> i don't need copypaste "desperately" 11:03:11 <dyzdyz> but i like it 11:03:25 <Aali> < frosch123> the best part of the game is to press ctrl-v and paste the finished network over the landscape :p 11:03:33 <goodger> *nod* 11:03:35 <Aali> I like that quote :P 11:04:26 <Aali> funny thing is, I have always had copy&paste in my build 11:04:39 <Aali> and I have *never* found a use for it 11:06:23 <dyzdyz> ok, i know the website of cargodest, but this build dos net have copypaste 11:06:48 <dyzdyz> Aali: i find copypaste very useful on large maps 11:06:56 <Aali> why is that? 11:06:57 <dyzdyz> with many industries 11:07:07 <Rubidium> for a win64 build you need MSVC 2005 or 2008 Professional (express only makes 32 bits builds) 11:07:52 <dyzdyz> Rubidium: is there any other (smaller) compiler? 11:08:02 *** insulfrog [~trainslov@92.1.240.170] has joined #openttd 11:08:07 <Rubidium> yes, but that doesn't make 64 bits build 11:08:07 <insulfrog> hi all 11:08:20 <Rubidium> http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/Coding_Tools <- take a look there 11:08:59 <dyzdyz> Aali: i don't like repeating same actions 11:09:13 <dyzdyz> like building small ro-ro near every industry 11:09:41 <goodger> Aali: if you've built a large and complex station then it's pointless to choose to duplicate that station once per town... 11:10:02 <Aali> all of my stations/junctions are either 1. too small to make copy&paste worth it or 2. too big to make copy&paste work 11:10:39 <dyzdyz> perhaps you build small ro-ro much faster than i do :-) 11:10:39 <petern> when i play it evolves... c&p does not fit in 11:10:54 <Aali> if I've built a large and complex station it's not going to fit anywhere and I'd rather just build another one that doesn't look the same 11:12:07 <dyzdyz> Rubidium: I think i'll choose some smaller compiler and 32bit openttd... 11:13:03 <dihedral> aye - look at any countries train stations - they all look different :-P 11:13:07 <Rubidium> mingw/cygwin should work, dev-c++ probably not (not tested for many years) 11:13:55 <dihedral> + if you always paste stuff from previous games, or download templates from others, you'll never build stuff faster, nor will you learn how to improve 11:14:25 <dihedral> + it's a pain up the but on network games 11:14:34 <dihedral> esp. if people start pasting with a high speed 11:14:52 <dihedral> i personally wish there was a decent way of blocking that kind of stuff on the server side! 11:15:31 <petern> surely there is 11:15:38 <petern> a normal client will send very few commands 11:15:40 <dyzdyz> dihedral: i agree, but i usually play alone or with my workmates, we all accept pasting 11:16:02 <petern> so a configurable cmd rate limiter would do... 11:16:36 <petern> with perhaps an exception list 11:16:49 <petern> (backed up orders) 11:16:57 <Zahl> then somebody will come up with a slow paster ;) 11:17:07 <petern> Zahl, yeah, but it will be slow... 11:17:23 <Zahl> you can start pasting some station and while its being build you can do something else 11:17:34 <Zahl> like check your network 11:17:38 <Aali> you can already configure the paste speed in the current copy&paste patch 11:17:48 <Zahl> look for new industries.. 11:17:52 <Zahl> hmm thats bad :-D 11:19:11 <Aali> for extra extra fun, make a server patch that buys land whenever it detects a paster 11:19:25 <petern> autogriefer? heh 11:19:38 <Zahl> or changes the owner of random parts of the pasted stuff 11:19:45 <Aali> you can't do that 11:19:55 <Aali> then you'd have to patch the client too 11:20:10 <Zahl> server side ;) 11:20:27 <Aali> thats not how it works 11:20:30 <dihedral> petern, paste rate is client side 11:20:43 <dihedral> i.e. sending the DoCommands to the server 11:20:48 <dyzdyz> Rubidium: installing cygwin 11:20:54 <Aali> if the client does not agree with the server, you'll get a desync 11:21:13 <dihedral> could there be a 'ranking' of how many DoCommands a single client could have in the queu following eachother for x clients connected? 11:21:27 <Zahl> the server gets a build cmd from some player but executes it as if it came from another. works... 11:21:37 <dihedral> there is a server side patch, for c&p, however, it can easily be overwridden 11:21:53 <Zahl> at least it did like 2 years ago when i did something similar 11:22:00 <petern> if it can be overridden it's not a very good rate limiter 11:22:25 <dihedral> it's merely sending the rate setting from the server to the client 11:22:37 <dihedral> you can patch your client to not read that packet and it's all fine again 11:22:54 <petern> no, a server side rate limiter actually has to do the limiting itself... 11:23:10 <dihedral> set the paste speed to 1 and paste the biggest thingy possible - all other players will have issues building! 11:23:27 <dihedral> petern, yep, i was just talking about the one that currently exists 11:23:32 <petern> rate limited per client, obviously 11:23:41 <Aali> Zahl: ah, yes, good point, that would actually work 11:24:09 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:24:49 <dihedral> a general doCommand limiter would be nice, where one clients doCommands have _active_clients space between, and DoCommands from other clients can be slipped in between 11:25:28 <dihedral> i.e. a more dynamic queue 11:26:28 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 11:32:18 <dyzdyz> ok, got cygwin, got source... 11:32:30 <dyzdyz> now how to apply a copypaste patch? 11:33:48 <dihedral> you cannot just apply copy&paste 11:33:58 <dihedral> not to cargodest and not to current trunk 11:34:02 <dihedral> it's way out of date 11:34:13 <dihedral> and cargodest is too modified for the patch to succeed either 11:34:25 <dihedral> (i mean the c&p patch is way out of date) 11:34:35 <dyzdyz> so there's no way to have cargodest and copypaste together? 11:34:42 <dihedral> yep there is 11:34:50 <dihedral> you just need to take the time and code a bit 11:35:06 <dihedral> and while you are at it, get it to work with yapp 11:35:11 <dyzdyz> you mean i have to program it for myself :-) ? 11:35:43 <dihedral> not entirely + you have a good working* example 11:35:50 <dihedral> * working a few thousand rev's ago 11:39:58 <Aali> there is a new c&p patch that applies to current trunk and supports yapp but it is of questionable quality 11:40:13 <Aali> and it still won't apply cleanly to cargodest AFAIK 11:41:10 <dyzdyz> so, assuming i'm not a C/C++ programmer, don't have few hours to spend... there is no way to get cargodest and copypaste working? 11:41:26 <Rubidium> exactly right 11:41:38 <dyzdyz> nice 11:43:17 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 11:44:09 *** tom0004 [~Tom@92.1.163.11] has joined #openttd 11:46:29 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:46:29 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 11:54:27 *** insulfrog [~trainslov@92.1.240.170] has left #openttd [] 11:55:49 <TrueBrain> morning all :) 11:55:55 <TrueBrain> (still morning in UTC ;)) 11:56:11 <[com]buster> thought not in your timezone? 11:56:39 <[com]buster> 'afternoon 11:56:41 <[com]buster> :) 11:56:52 <TrueBrain> I just saw a train which is heading your way 11:57:00 <TrueBrain> so no, I don't live in UTC :p 11:59:49 <TrueBrain> weird clouds in the sky 12:00:10 <TrueBrain> they carry somethng heavy ... 12:07:43 <dihedral> good morning TrueBrain 12:10:52 <goodger> dihedral: afternoon now :P 12:11:29 <goodger> "good morning, sir, good afternoon, ma'am... it passed noon while I was speaking, so that was... technically... accurate. mwahay!" 12:14:55 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks1.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 12:20:38 *** De_Ghosty [~s@69-196-148-5.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:21:55 <TrueBrain> New SCrubs rules!!!! 12:24:34 * petern scrubs TrueBrain 12:24:47 *** tom0004 [~Tom@92.1.163.11] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:24:52 *** tom0004 [~Tom@92.1.163.11] has joined #openttd 12:26:11 *** tom0004 [~Tom@92.1.163.11] has quit [] 12:26:20 *** tom0004 [~Tom@92.1.163.11] has joined #openttd 12:26:37 *** De_Ghosty [~s@76-10-146-91.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 12:27:19 *** tom0004 [~Tom@92.1.163.11] has quit [] 12:27:26 *** tom0004 [~Tom@92.1.163.11] has joined #openttd 12:32:17 *** ctibor [~ctibor@xbl.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 12:37:41 *** dvo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:44:31 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fc041.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 12:51:26 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:51:29 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:54:39 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14886 /trunk/src/lang/ (afrikaans.txt icelandic.txt): 12:54:39 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix: remove (3) strings with non-UTF8 characters in Afrikaans. 12:54:39 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix: using non-ASCII characters in Afrikaans and Icelandic when there's an equivalent ASCII character, thus not needing a font to display all characters. 13:06:08 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 13:08:54 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r14887 /branches/noai/src/ai/api/ai_abstractlist.cpp: [NoAI] -Fix: reverse iterator implementation from MS doesn't like the way we use it 13:12:19 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:12:19 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 13:16:57 *** roboboy [724897c5@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 13:25:22 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14888 /trunk/config.lib: -Change/Fix: don't make makedepend look in whatever's included for headers; it takes ages *and* it will not find all headers anyways as they are placed in locations where only the compiler can easily find them 13:26:59 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14889 /trunk/src/ (command.cpp command_type.h): -Codechange: replace some magic numbers with constants. 13:31:21 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14890 /trunk/src/ (command.cpp command_type.h): -Codechange: move the notest information into the command table. 13:37:08 <petern> you could've done some of r14886 with src/table/unicode.h ;) 13:37:51 <petern> or was that the wrong direction... i can't remember now 13:38:02 <petern> i only wrote the stuff after all 13:39:02 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 13:39:57 <Rubidium> petern: â and â are MS Word's 'rewrite' of a "; as the language uses both forms, why not stay with the simplest? 13:42:07 <glx> like « and » 13:42:24 <glx> I hate when it does that 13:42:38 <glx> or . -> , in excel 13:42:50 <glx> that's just stupid as it breaks formulas 13:44:55 <TrueBrain> Excel sucks anyway ... copy paste something like 2008-12-12 in it, which happens to be a combination code ... it makes it a datestamp .. still fine by me .. then you tell it to convert it back to a normal string, and it gives you a number! Fuck Excel ... :p 13:45:44 <petern> hehe yeah 13:45:50 <petern> oh god 13:46:01 <petern> yet another sdl_mixer patch, although this one is horrible 13:46:05 <petern> (mine was at least clean, iirc) 13:46:15 <TrueBrain> are there non-horrible ones? :) 13:46:38 <petern> TrueBrain, mine used the driver system to properly add sdl_mixer as a new driver 13:46:45 <petern> this is just a hack 13:47:08 <TrueBrain> that is the least you can do, yes :) 13:47:25 <petern> actually 13:47:25 <petern> i lied 13:47:32 <petern> this does implement a sdl_mixer driver 13:47:42 <petern> but only for music 13:48:08 <petern> the sdl_mixer sound stuff is hacked into sound.cpp, not even the sdl audio driver... 13:48:18 <TrueBrain> :) 13:48:21 <TrueBrain> that is 50% ;) 13:48:36 <petern> "Panning and volume are not implemented 13:48:38 <petern> " 13:48:38 <petern> heh 13:48:44 <petern> one of the easier things to do in sdl_mixer... 13:48:58 <petern> heh 13:49:11 <petern> it can *only* use data/sounds/xx.wav instead of sample.cat 13:49:17 <TrueBrain> petern: so do it better! :) 13:49:21 <petern> i already did 13:49:32 <TrueBrain> so make that trunk-ready :p 13:49:36 <petern> but no commitage, obviously 13:49:41 <petern> well, maybe so 13:50:36 <TrueBrain> like most of your stuff ;) :p :p 13:50:40 <petern> :D 13:50:41 <TrueBrain> you should finish those things :) 13:50:56 <petern> bah, who wants newgrf customisable railtypes anyway? 13:51:00 <TrueBrain> you always have things ready when someone else makes something .. but you never commit it :) 13:51:03 <TrueBrain> trunk is your friend ;) 13:51:19 * Yexo would like customisable railtypes :) 13:51:26 <TrueBrain> haha 13:51:33 <TrueBrain> and an othe rpatch going into the freezer ... :p 13:51:34 <TrueBrain> sigh :) 13:51:39 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r14891 /branches/noai/ (82 files in 8 dirs): [NoAI] -Sync: with trunk r14840:14890 13:52:15 <petern> TrueBrain, it was synced the other day 13:52:47 <TrueBrain> why not finish it? :) 13:56:35 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truebrain * r14892 /branches/noai/ (Makefile.src.in config.lib): [NoAI] -Add (r14891): also add the Squirrel Source Dir as Include for makedepend 13:56:50 <Belugas> newrails! newrails! newrails! newrails! newrails! 13:57:25 <petern> hehheh 13:57:33 <petern> TrueBrain, been busy doing other things 13:57:41 <petern> walking dogs, playing zombie games, and being lazy 13:57:42 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truebrain * r14893 /branches/noai/config.lib: [NoAI] -Fix (r14892): I fucked up 13:57:47 <petern> not necessarily in that order 13:57:50 <TrueBrain> zombie games .. left4dead .. hmm ... 13:57:56 <petern> most likely in reverse order 13:58:06 <petern> not left4dead 13:58:10 <petern> that only has infected, allegedul 13:58:12 <petern> er 13:58:14 <petern> allegedly 13:58:33 <TrueBrain> I am out, going to my parents, getting a few dancing lessons ..... be back tonight :) 13:58:43 <TrueBrain> petern: I expect railtypes to be commited by then ;) :p :p :p (just kidding my friend :)) 13:58:43 <glx> have fun 13:59:05 <petern> what is a SDTBOOL stored as? 13:59:24 <petern> can i convert it to an SDTVAR? 13:59:28 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-63-174.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 13:59:31 <petern> byte value 14:00:03 <petern> or do i need to drop the old value to a var and use that to set the new var? 14:00:29 <petern> argh, it's snowing again 14:01:09 <Rubidium> petern: it's stored as a uint8 14:01:51 <Rubidium> so you can (without savegame change) change a bool to a uint8 14:08:06 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@user-5af0abe4.wfd105.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:08:22 <Belugas> snopwing in here too. Expected 30 cm for the next 2 days 14:08:25 <Belugas> -p 14:08:30 <Belugas> laziness :) 14:08:32 <Belugas> lovely! 14:11:01 <Rubidium> poor Belugas... but no worries... there's snow here too and when I step in the fresh snow it leaves an footprint of over a foot long ;) 14:12:10 <canidae> if you want snow, we got about a meter of it here. please, take as much as you want, preferably all of it ^^ 14:12:55 <petern> metre! 14:14:10 <canidae> like colour :) 14:14:56 *** vraa_ [~vraa@h169.68.20.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 14:15:23 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r14894 /branches/noai/src/squirrel.cpp: [NoAI] -Fix (r14878): MSVC performance warning 14:15:43 <Rubidium> the topic says English not American, right? 14:16:27 <canidae> i'll probably have some typos, then. more influenced by american english than british english 14:16:40 <Rubidium> oh and the English are not driving at the right side of the road 14:17:13 <canidae> i'm quite far from being american if that's your fears =) 14:17:17 <Eddi|zuHause> when i say "meter" i am not influenced by american, i am influenced by german 14:17:47 <Belugas> canidae, i've got quite enough already, thanks ;) Quebec does have an history of piles and piles of snaw 14:17:47 *** einKarl [~einKarl@91-66-180-201-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 14:17:49 <Eddi|zuHause> and as a language educated german, i can't help but pronouncing "metre" as french 14:19:30 <canidae> beside, i'm trying to convert the world to a more binary language. not easy getting followers, though 14:22:01 <Rubidium> nah, ambiguity makes nice discussions ;) 14:25:59 *** vraa [~vraa@h169.68.20.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #openttd 14:28:58 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:29:08 <Belugas> and nice commit messages too ;) 14:29:16 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 14:31:29 *** tom0004 [~Tom@92.1.163.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:32:31 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm158.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:33:51 <petern> cra0 14:33:52 <petern> p 14:33:56 <petern> tea ran out :( 14:38:51 <Belugas> he was THAT fast? 14:39:00 <Belugas> or you lack exercise ;) 14:39:57 <petern> damn right 14:41:07 <Rubidium> he just likes his tea very strong 14:45:19 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14895 /trunk/src/ (7 files): -Change: move CMD_NO_WATER from all DoCommandPs to the command table 14:47:34 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:47:43 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 14:47:59 *** tom0004 [~Tom@92.1.163.11] has joined #openttd 14:51:30 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 14:58:55 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14896 /trunk/src/ (command.cpp command_type.h): -Codechange: remove an unused constant and the related dead code. 15:00:34 <petern> colleague just brought his 5 day old daughter in 15:02:17 <Belugas> how cute :) 15:02:25 <Belugas> going to play dada with her? 15:02:26 <Belugas> hehe 15:02:53 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1EAB6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:06:39 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:06:50 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 15:06:52 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226153224.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:07:04 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226153224.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 15:08:31 *** insulfrog [~trainslov@92.1.240.170] has joined #openttd 15:08:35 <insulfrog> hi 15:19:21 <joachim> does the reliability affect the chance of the plane crashing? 15:20:45 <Aali> not directly 15:21:04 <Aali> a broken down plane runs a greater risk of crashing 15:21:17 <joachim> ok 15:23:28 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77DBA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:23:45 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77DBA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:26:54 *** TrueBrain [truebrain@openttd.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:27:33 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14897 /trunk/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 15:27:33 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Codechange: don't allow a few command flags to be sent over the network as it's 15:27:33 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: bogus information anyway; e.g. the "do not send over network" flag as it will be 15:27:33 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: set whenever the command is received from the server/client. 15:27:33 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Codechange: test earlier whether the command (send from the server) is actually valid. 15:31:33 <insulfrog> hmm, what features that hasn't been released do you dream about in OpenTTD. I dream about diagonal bridges/tunnels :p 15:31:34 <petern> /home/petern/ottd/svn/trunk3/src/network/network_data.cpp:37: error: âCMD_FLAG_MASKâ was not declared in this scope 15:34:04 *** Zuu [Zuu__@c-53f3e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 15:34:27 <Rubidium> wtf? 15:34:47 <Rubidium> hmm... might be ccache interfering :( 15:35:43 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 15:36:04 *** tom0004 [~Tom@92.1.163.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:36:49 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14898 /trunk/src/network/network_data.cpp: -Fix (r14897): ccache's caching seems to be a bit too agressive or so. 15:38:02 <joachim> insulfrog: and signals and junctions in/on them :) 15:38:26 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 15:38:51 <Rubidium> keep dreaming ;) 15:39:03 <insulfrog> lol 15:40:17 <petern> or get coding 15:42:01 <insulfrog> if we did have diagnonal bridges/tunnels with signals, we could build more exotic junctions (for example the 4-level stack interchange (e.g. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/Four-stack-interchange.png)) 15:42:37 <petern> yes, sure, but that doesn't help coding them efficiently 15:42:52 <Lakie> Heh, as the developers said, keep dreaming or try coding (an acceptable) implimentation of them. 15:42:56 <glx> and don't forget drawind sprites :) 15:43:12 <Lakie> This has been suggested a hell of a lot, even before OpenTTD. 15:43:19 <glx> indeed 15:43:38 <insulfrog> well, I do know how to program in C++ but I never actually put it into practice (I learned it at college) 15:44:04 <Yexo> How can you claim to know how to program without putting it in practice? 15:44:19 <Lakie> programming language. 15:44:25 <Lakie> There is a distint difference. 15:44:27 <insulfrog> well, i did but only in assignments 15:44:40 <Yexo> Lakie: right :p 15:44:42 <insulfrog> but never 'commercially' 15:45:01 <insulfrog> if you know what I mean 15:45:55 <Yexo> diagonal bridges would certainly be a nice challenge 15:46:27 <insulfrog> yeah 15:46:55 <insulfrog> but its goight to take alot of skill to put it into openttd 15:47:01 <insulfrog> *going 15:47:09 <Lakie> Though, I'd suggest starting with something similar to get used to programming in C++ again... 15:47:29 <Lakie> And then a lot of time looking at how OpenTTD works to workout how to add it. 15:49:12 <insulfrog> its knowing what to make and do and how creative you are :) 15:50:40 *** yorick is now known as Guest472 15:51:00 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:51:25 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 15:54:54 *** Bennythen00b [~Bennythen@40.81-166-86.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 15:55:04 <Bennythen00b> Hi folks :) 15:55:24 *** Guest472 [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:55:42 <Bennythen00b> Ok, so now you dont want to talk to me?... 15:56:10 <insulfrog> A recent post I've read is the 'underwater tunnels' feature, its good but its a shame that you can't terra 'below' sea level (on land of course :p ) and dig a tunnel under the sea (e.g. channel tunnel). 15:57:22 <Bennythen00b> You mean without the patch? 15:57:49 <petern> pom te pom ... http://fuzzle.org/~petern/ottd/nonfixed_driver.diff ... removes the limit for driver parameters 16:02:55 <Belugas> [10:50] <insulfrog> its knowing what to make and do and how creative you are :) <--- let see how creative you can be :) 16:04:32 *** tom0004 [~Tom@92.2.19.26] has joined #openttd 16:11:41 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14899 /trunk/src/ (7 files in 2 dirs): 16:11:41 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Feature: remove the window limit, but leave a configurable limit on the number of non-sticky non-vital windows. 16:11:41 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix [FS#2499]: crashes/misbehaviours when (almost) all windows are stickied. 16:11:41 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@85.19.218.49] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:12:02 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 16:12:09 <petern> comments on my patch? did i miss anything like a free or something? :o 16:13:47 *** evandar [~evandar@213.168.176.142] has joined #openttd 16:14:11 <Rubidium> -b bla -b booh -b 32bpp-simple will probably leak 16:14:33 <petern> ah 16:14:40 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 16:14:58 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 16:15:02 *** Mortal is now known as Guest477 16:15:02 *** mortal` is now known as mortal 16:15:06 <Rubidium> the rest looks okay 16:17:51 <Belugas> i'd insert a line between each if (!StrIsEmpty...) block at the end of the patch 16:21:01 <Belugas> i dunno about the rest, to be honesty 16:21:23 *** Guest477 [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:24:16 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@85.19.218.49] has joined #openttd 16:25:31 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm158.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 16:28:13 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r14900 /branches/noai/src/ai/api/ (ai_bridge.cpp ai_bridge.hpp): [NoAI] -Add: support for aqueducts building 16:33:45 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g228073113.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 16:36:48 *** goodger [~ben@host81-153-85-164.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:36:48 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@85.19.218.49] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:37:13 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r14901 /branches/noai/ (5 files in 2 dirs): [NoAI] -Add: support for oneway roads building (Yexo) 16:37:18 *** goodger [~ben@host81-153-85-164.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 16:41:09 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226153224.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:41:09 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 16:43:42 *** vraa [~vraa@h169.68.20.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 16:48:05 <Forked> someone should make a joke about the MSCE, RHCE and CCNP guys that went into a bar and said something to someone about something :\ 16:48:16 <Forked> sorta like the priest and the rabbi(sp?) 16:48:25 * FauxFaux hasn't even heard of CCNP. 16:48:35 <FauxFaux> Oh dear. 16:48:46 <FauxFaux> Cisco Certified Wire Monkey. 16:48:47 *** Robbie [~opera@71.8.erx-lhm.eidsiva.net] has joined #openttd 16:50:23 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm158.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:50:39 <Forked> no thats CCNA :p 16:51:28 <canidae> FauxFaux: hmm... your nick was familiar... musicbrainz? 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(planetmaker) 17:41:32 *** Tim [~Administr@p5B37E17B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:41:53 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@62.113.132.255] has joined #openttd 17:42:27 <Aali> persistant building tools is in trunk? :O 17:42:49 <Tim> Is it? 17:42:53 <frosch123> no, persistent building tools 17:42:57 <Belugas> go to sleep, you're just dreaming 17:43:21 <Aali> that's wonderful news 17:43:33 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@239.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 17:44:26 <Aali> now we just need quick goto and it wont be a pain in the ass to play unpatched \o/ 17:45:01 <Tim> Not to forget something to auto-seperate trains using timetables :D 17:45:17 <Aali> dont really care about timetables 17:45:24 <Tim> But thanks for this new feature, anyways :) 17:45:33 <Aali> unless ITiM gets merged 17:45:43 <Belugas> fuck you're depressing 17:45:44 <glx> Aali: then use a nighlty 17:46:06 <frosch123> [18:47] <Tim> Not to forget something to auto-seperate trains using timetables :D <- not to forget 31 flyspray tasks 17:46:20 <Aali> glx: say what? 17:46:49 <glx> @openttd commit 14827 17:46:50 <DorpsGek> glx: Commit by rubidium :: r14827 /trunk/src (5 files in 2 dirs) (2009-01-04 14:51:49 UTC) 17:46:51 <DorpsGek> glx: -Feature [FS#1984]: few (optional) optimisations to making (initial) orders (sulai) 17:47:41 <Aali> Belugas was right, I must be dreaming 17:48:05 <glx> this commit is quick goto 17:50:32 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r14903 /trunk/src/ (articulated_vehicles.cpp roadveh_cmd.cpp): -Fix: First create all articulated parts of roadvehicles, then call callback 36 capacity, also call it for all articulated parts. 17:51:16 <Tim> Wow, quick go-to also included, now we can play even faster *g* Thanks! 17:51:25 <Tim> And also for: 17:51:36 <Tim> @openttd commit 14852 17:51:36 <DorpsGek> Tim: Commit by michi_cc :: r14852 /trunk/src (settings.cpp train_cmd.cpp) (2009-01-05 20:29:05 UTC) 17:51:37 <DorpsGek> Tim: -Feature: Automatic reversing in front of block signals can now be disabled by setting pf.wait_oneway_signal respectively pf.wait_twoway_signal to 255. 17:51:50 <Tim> :) 17:52:19 <Tim> There really should be a topic in the forums to keep track of latest (for the normal user interesting) changes in trunk! 17:55:08 <Rubidium> Tim: there used to be a wiki page, but well... it got outdated 17:56:54 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 17:58:44 *** Bennythen00b_ [~Bennythen@40.81-166-86.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 18:00:11 <Tim> From which trunk revision was 0.6.0 split from? Or was it split with the first beta? 18:02:41 <Rubidium> @commit 12395 18:02:41 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: Commit by rubidium :: r12395 branches/0.6/ (2008-03-22 19:48:14 UTC) 18:02:42 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: [0.6] -Branch: the long awaited branch so we can introduce new features in trunk before 0.6.0, but not let them destabalize the pending release :) 18:03:46 <Tim> Thanks :) 18:05:00 <Zuu> Tim: Now that you have got informed, you could make an unofficial notice about these new things on the forums :) 18:05:06 * insulfrog has to go so cyas :) 18:05:08 *** insulfrog [~trainslov@92.1.240.170] has left #openttd [] 18:05:39 *** Bennythen00b [~Bennythen@40.81-166-86.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:07:33 <Zuu> I like to take my time and send a big thank to Rubidium who has made a huge number of commits the last days. In addition a few others have made some commits also not to forgot. But still one name has stood out the last days - Rubidium :-) 18:08:34 <frosch123> you can also start collecting disliked christmas presents to donate them on r15000 18:09:26 <petern> hmm 18:09:43 <Zuu> like wool socks that are to small for my feet? 18:09:57 <Eddi|zuHause> <Tim> There really should be a topic in the forums to keep track of latest (for the normal user interesting) changes in trunk! <- start by "svn log -r12395:HEAD | grep Feature" 18:10:25 <frosch123> grep -A 5 Feature 18:11:00 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:12:22 <Eddi|zuHause> <glx> this commit is quick goto <- apparently, it was cryptic enough ;) 18:12:32 <Tim> And where do i use "svn log -r12395:HEAD | grep Feature"? :) 18:12:59 <Eddi|zuHause> on your svn checkout? 18:13:08 <Eddi|zuHause> in your favourite console? 18:13:44 *** Bennythen00b [~Bennythen@40.81-166-86.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 18:13:45 <Tim> Yey, my favourite console... This is where the fun starts Oo 18:14:07 <Zuu> Tim: on what OS are you? 18:14:13 <Tim> WinXP 18:14:33 <Eddi|zuHause> WinXP, believe it or not, comes with a console built in 18:14:41 *** Sacro_ is now known as Sacro 18:14:44 <Eddi|zuHause> it's called "cmd" 18:15:03 <Zuu> Do you have TortoiseSVN (with resavation for spelling) 18:15:13 <Tim> Yes, i know that one *g* I even know some commands :D 18:15:19 <Tim> And that i installed once... 18:15:37 <Tim> But... Well... It's all a bit confusing, you know? 18:16:35 <Tim> :) 18:16:58 <Zuu> I got quite quick used to Tortoise, though I misunderstood how to apply patches. The window showing the patches changed because i moved the mouse, but I first though it changed because it was processing the patch :p 18:17:10 <frosch123> Tim: http://paste.openttd.org/178555 good luck 18:17:38 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:17:40 *** helb_ [~helb@84.244.90.26] has joined #openttd 18:19:39 *** Bennythen00b_ [~Bennythen@40.81-166-86.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:21:04 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.22] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:22:32 <Zuu> hmm, users ... updating of #openttdcoop GRF pack has been broken for several weeks in my updater program, but not a single user has complained, and I noticed it first today. 18:24:29 <Eddi|zuHause> users never complain 18:26:55 <Belugas> buwhahahaha!!!!! 18:27:45 <Zuu> Belugas: What noughty plan do you have for the users now? ;) 18:28:50 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host38-173-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 18:29:01 <Wolf01> hello 18:29:21 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 18:29:55 <frosch123> Zuu: users only complain when it is their fault that it is not working 18:30:09 <Belugas> [13:25] <Eddi|zuHause> users never complain <--- reaction to ... some... welll.. that 18:31:14 <Belugas> the only plan i have so fare is just reviing my newobjects thinguy 18:31:18 <Belugas> -e 18:31:28 <Belugas> +v 18:31:31 <Belugas> +pfffff 18:31:46 <Eddi|zuHause> Zuu: well, the only other option is that you have less users than you think you have :p 18:32:28 <Zuu> Eddi|zuHause: Hehe yea, could be that too. :p 18:33:03 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:34:35 <Tim> When are the nightlys being compiled again? 20:00 german time? 18:35:15 <Zuu> 19:30 UTC if I remember correctly, but I could be wrong... 18:35:49 <Zuu> so 20:30 CET 18:36:34 * Zuu waits for beeing corrected by someone with better knowledge :D 18:37:02 <Tim> :) 18:37:14 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:37:14 <frosch123> they start at 20:00 amsterdam local time 18:37:27 <frosch123> and are finished 25 minutes later 18:37:57 <Tim> Okay... So approximately one hour from now till they are finished :) 18:38:10 <Tim> I want to test the new features :) 18:38:14 <frosch123> but it can also fail :p 18:38:26 <Tim> Let's not hope so :) 18:38:48 <petern> compile one yourself 18:39:17 <Tim> Naaaaah.... 18:39:37 <Tim> I already have such a bunch of prgrams i never use on my laptop... 18:39:55 <Tim> And i can wait for one more hour :) 18:39:56 <Zuu> Installing VS2005 and all needed only takes 2-3 hours. and then you can complie when you like to have the latest. 18:40:01 <Rubidium> when you're anxious to know when the compile's done and the binaries are on the website, join #openttd.notice 18:40:32 <Tim> ah, cool :) 18:40:34 <Tim> Here comes a popular question: Any guess on how much longer it will take for CargoDest to hit trunk? :) 18:40:44 <Zuu> So kind of push version of finger then :) 18:40:59 <Rubidium> Zuu: kinda yes ;) 18:41:53 <Zuu> finger.openttd.org for those who don't know it yet. 18:42:01 <Wolf01> blathijs, is that your's? (2nd photo) http://www.gamesniped.com/2009/01/05/gamesniped-day-6-voting-get-organized/ 18:43:01 <Eddi|zuHause> Tim: at the current rate, converges asymptotically towards infinity 18:43:51 <Eddi|zuHause> Wolf01: missing closing single quote: is that your 's'? 18:44:23 <Rubidium> Wolf01: I'd say it isn't, but then it's only a guess 18:45:10 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r14904 /trunk/src/lang/ (11 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) 18:45:10 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2009-01-07 18:44:43 18:45:10 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: catalan - 19 fixed, 6 changed by arnaullv (25) 18:45:10 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: danish - 3 fixed by beruic (3) 18:45:10 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: finnish - 15 fixed by UltimateSephiroth (15) 18:45:11 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: french - 4 fixed by glx (4) 18:45:11 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: indonesian - 15 fixed by fanioz (12), rindu (3) 18:45:31 <petern> Wolf01, that's a name, not a nick... 18:48:45 <Eddi|zuHause> "Matthias" is a very common name in germany, i suspect this to be not much different in the netherlands 18:49:25 <blathijs> Wolf01: Nope, I don't have a lot of video games :-) (Also, my name is spelled "Matthijs" instead of "Matthijis", but I presume that's a typo on the page) 18:50:33 <Tim> Hehe, some commits are really fun to read: -Add: OpenTTDs version to openttd.cfg, just so we do not need to keep to ask people for their version number because it's likely they give you the wrong answer anyway. 18:50:56 <blathijs> Yeah, users are fun :-p 18:51:06 *** tom0004 [~Tom@92.2.19.26] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:51:59 <Aali> alot of people just say "latest" when you ask them which version they're using, and 80% of the time, they're running 0.6.3 :) 18:52:26 <glx> we also store if they changed grf ingame 18:52:39 <Tim> Latest (*verysmallletters:* stable) 18:56:22 <Tim> Eddi|zuHause: Tim: at the current rate, converges asymptotically towards infinity ---> Why is that? Makes a very stable impression to me already :) 18:57:22 <Eddi|zuHause> why can't people mark quotes properly? 18:57:24 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B834CC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:57:49 *** goodger [~ben@host81-153-85-164.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:57:55 <Eddi|zuHause> you always start reading a sentence, and end up wondering "wtf? i read that already" 18:57:59 <Tim> How do you do that in IRC? 18:58:04 <Tim> sorry ;) 18:58:19 *** goodger [~ben@host81-153-85-164.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 18:58:29 <Eddi|zuHause> people invented special quote characters for that 18:58:35 <Eddi|zuHause> they look like this: " 18:58:50 <Eddi|zuHause> one at the beginning, and one at the end of the quote 18:58:52 <petern> or 18:58:53 <Tim> Quote: "Eddi|zuHause: Tim: at the current rate, converges asymptotically towards infinity" --> Why is that? Makes a very stable impression to me already :) 18:58:56 <petern> just don't bother quoting 18:59:10 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83DE0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:59:13 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 18:59:32 <Eddi|zuHause> alternatively, for IRC, it is common to enclose the quoted nick in <.>, and then start with their line 18:59:34 <glx> <petern> just don't bother quoting <-- or use proper nick displaying :) 18:59:58 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14905 /trunk/src/ (viewport.cpp window.cpp window_gui.h): -Fix (r14899): in some corner cases already freed memory could be read. 19:00:02 <Eddi|zuHause> in email or forum threads, it is also common to prefix quoted lines with > 19:00:15 <Eddi|zuHause> so many ways to quote... 19:00:24 <petern> Eddi|zuHause: or you can do this, which is the most common... 19:00:29 <petern> quite. 19:03:01 <Wolf01> enable colours and we'll start to quote in different colors and backgrounds 19:03:19 <Eddi|zuHause> colours are insane... 19:03:27 <Tim> What a weird world... If Israel attacks Palastina everyone's like "Well, let's talk about it...", but if Russia stops delivering Gas, everyone's like "Deliver us our Gas or there'll be serious consequences!" ... 19:04:29 <Wolf01> that's not our gas, it's their, if they don't want to seel it they are free to do 19:04:34 <petern> http://www.michaelbach.de/ot/ 19:05:05 <Rubidium> Tim: if a roommate gets shot it's terrible, but when someone far away shoots someone it goes by without emotion 19:05:54 <Rubidium> same happens here... the gas issue really "hurts" you, what they do in the middle east is well... far away and it doesn't "hurt" you 19:06:12 <Rubidium> in Israel they couldn't care less about the gas issue 19:11:29 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:17:01 *** tom0004 [~Tom@92.2.19.26] has joined #openttd 19:17:01 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:17:24 *** [com]buster 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21:04:34 <TrueBrain> hmm 21:04:34 <TrueBrain> snow 21:04:44 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 21:04:44 <TrueBrain> let me tell you, in the wohle country here there is snow ... but not where I live 21:04:49 <TrueBrain> I go to my parents: snow 21:04:53 <Eddi|zuHause> http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/01/06/funny-pictures-oof/ 21:04:54 <Rubidium> yes Belugas, it's cold and snowy in Hell 21:04:54 <TrueBrain> I talk to people more east: snow 21:04:56 <TrueBrain> I hate it :( 21:05:09 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: talk to people on Vlieland or so 21:05:27 <TrueBrain> not too many people there :p 21:05:31 <TrueBrain> let alone I know people there 21:05:35 <TrueBrain> well, inf act I do .. but not that well :p 21:05:36 <glx> there's snow here 21:05:48 <TrueBrain> here, even glx has snow! :( 21:05:49 <glx> even in Marseille there's snow 21:06:04 <glx> they didn't have any since 1987 21:06:06 <Rubidium> on Vlieland the temp was above freezing at it's lowest point last night 21:06:34 <TrueBrain> well .. I am next to Vlietland, but it is colder here ;) (hehe, Vlietland .. Vlieland .. :p) 21:06:39 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@239.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [] 21:06:49 *** evandar [~evandar@xbl.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:07:48 <Belugas> there is snow at my dealer' 21:07:51 <Belugas> s place too :S 21:07:59 <Belugas> sniiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiif 21:07:59 <TrueBrain> that aint snow ... 21:08:00 *** De_Ghosty [~s@76-10-161-39.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:08:07 <TrueBrain> not everything that is white is snow Belugas .. 21:08:08 <Belugas> YES IT IS! 21:08:13 <Belugas> mmh... 21:08:15 <TrueBrain> :) 21:08:17 <Belugas> i am not snow... 21:08:20 <Belugas> indeedd 21:08:20 <TrueBrain> don't eat yellow snow :) 21:08:21 <Rubidium> and not all snow is white 21:10:10 *** De_Ghosty [~s@69-196-131-203.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 21:12:27 <edeca> TrueBrain: But it tastes so nice 21:13:43 <petern> Belugas has a dealer? 21:13:53 <Belugas> heheh 21:13:55 <Belugas> naaaaa.... 21:13:58 <glx> a cofee dealer :) 21:14:01 <Belugas> you know me :) 21:15:43 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:16:07 <petern> bah, she has not replied to me for ages :/ 21:16:37 <TrueBrain> who? 21:18:43 <Sacro> hsi wife 21:19:31 <petern> no, someone via friendsreunited 21:19:32 <Belugas> his dealer 21:19:34 <Belugas> it's a she 21:19:40 <TrueBrain> I like thatone Belugas :) 21:19:47 <TrueBrain> his 'snow' dealer :) 21:21:10 <Belugas> got to go 21:21:12 <Belugas> bye 21:21:16 <TrueBrain> Bye Belugas :) 21:21:24 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 21:23:24 *** De_Ghosty [~s@69-196-131-203.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:32:17 *** De_Ghosty [~s@69-196-132-167.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 21:38:15 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Poef!] 21:38:48 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:41:48 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008120122]] 21:43:10 *** enra [~enra@203-59-199-114.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Quit: OTTD rocks!] 21:48:30 *** De_Ghosty [~s@69-196-132-167.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:51:17 <TrueBrain> boring in here 21:51:18 <TrueBrain> pff 21:51:23 <TrueBrain> and I am HUNGRY!!! 21:51:26 <Tim> ;) 21:51:28 <TrueBrain> and I have nothing real to eat :( 21:52:20 <Tim> Order Pizza? 21:52:22 *** De_Ghosty [~s@69-196-168-136.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 21:52:24 <thingwath> I have no beer. :-/ 21:52:31 <TrueBrain> De_Ghosty: please join, or leave ... pfff 21:52:40 <TrueBrain> Tim: I don't think they bring pizzas at 2300 21:52:46 <thingwath> Why not? 21:52:47 <GoneWacko> ah damn, I was going to buy beer today but forgot. 21:52:56 <GoneWacko> Sheesh, thanks for reminding me *after* the shops close. 21:54:34 <TrueBrain> running out of beer 21:54:37 <TrueBrain> what kind of person are you! 21:54:48 <TrueBrain> then your friend calls, can I come for a drink, and you can't say yes 21:54:51 <TrueBrain> pfff :p 21:57:22 <thingwath> nobody would come here 21:58:35 <SmatZ> you have no friends? 21:59:38 <thingwath> I don't know :-) 22:00:24 <SmatZ> so you don't have any friends you know about :) 22:00:25 *** De_Ghosty [~s@69-196-168-136.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:00:28 <thingwath> at this time, it's easier for me to visit them, than vice versa 22:00:37 <thingwath> this place is so ugly 22:00:52 <SmatZ> hehe 22:01:23 *** vraa [~vraa@h25.81.141.67.static.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 22:09:50 <TrueBrain> I found apizza in my freezer 22:09:55 <TrueBrain> not a fancy one 22:09:56 <TrueBrain> but I take it :) 22:10:07 <petern> you ought to cook it 22:10:16 <TrueBrain> no shit? :P 22:10:22 *** einKarl [~einKarl@91-66-180-201-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:10:49 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 22:15:29 *** SmatZ is now known as Guest528 22:15:31 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 22:16:00 <petern> hmm 22:16:11 <petern> 400GB of HD NIN video 22:16:19 <TrueBrain> NIN? 22:16:25 <petern> nine inch nails 22:16:38 <petern> /dev/md/3 428G 12G 395G 3% /home 22:16:38 <petern> :o 22:17:14 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:17:14 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 22:17:50 <petern> heh 22:18:00 <petern> "Imma tard but if I dl something then don't want it anymore, can I delete it from my harddrive and free up that space for something else??" 22:18:25 <TrueBrain> you should keep it FOR EVER! 22:18:25 <TrueBrain> :p 22:23:46 <Eddi|zuHause> i never throw anything away 22:24:18 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, i have only 60 youtube clips stored... 22:24:46 <TrueBrain> I never have enough room for that :p 22:26:18 *** De_Ghosty [~s@69-196-138-75.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 22:27:44 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc2-rdng14-0-0-cust631.winn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:28:33 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... can i "dump" a python session to the disk, and completely restore it later? (not using pickle, as that is not enough 22:29:27 <Eddi|zuHause> (the python instance uses up 1,6GB of memory) 22:31:17 <TrueBrain> this pizza tastes good! 22:31:23 <Sacro> i want pizza :( 22:31:56 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:31:57 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 22:34:35 <TinoDidriksen> There's been experiments with freezing a process to disk and thawing it later, even on different hardware (as long as the arch and libraries are the same)...but not sure there's any practical tools for it yet, asides from a full hibernate cycle. 22:34:58 <TrueBrain> it exists 22:35:04 <TrueBrain> and works very well 22:35:06 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: let gdb make a core dump of it and load that? 22:35:10 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-65-34-177-131.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 22:35:22 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: what are the incantations for that? 22:35:27 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 22:37:38 <TinoDidriksen> Do you want it to survive a reboot, or just want it out of the way for a while? 'cause if the latter, you could simply suspend the process and reduce it's priority to let it get swapped out. 22:37:48 <FauxFaux> Yeah, I've used the freezy thing before, it occasionally works, unless your app is complex, like top. 22:38:12 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: no idea, check `man gdb` I'd say 22:38:44 <Eddi|zuHause> TinoDidriksen: both, i'd say 22:38:58 *** vraa [~vraa@h169.68.20.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #openttd 22:39:05 <TinoDidriksen> Eddi|zuHause, http://cryopid.berlios.de/ 22:39:15 *** fjb [~frank@p5485EB7A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:39:21 <fjb> Hello 22:40:13 <Eddi|zuHause> i have this huge pile of data, which i want to "harvest" in steps, which could take multiple days, and stuff might go wrong, so i want to make like a "snapshot" that i could roll back to 22:40:37 <Eddi|zuHause> and i don't have the time to lay out a proper database model and conversion functions 22:40:53 <TrueBrain> so push out the data via yaml 22:40:57 <TrueBrain> inefficient, but works 22:41:14 <Eddi|zuHause> what's yaml? 22:41:24 <TrueBrain> a Python export type 22:41:59 <TrueBrain> http://pyyaml.org/ 22:42:13 <glx> yet another ?? 22:44:03 <glx> hmm no it's the other kind of acronym 22:44:14 <dihedral> evening 22:44:29 *** tom0004 [~Tom@92.4.96.177] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:45:14 <Eddi|zuHause> if it doesn't get the job done in 5 minutes, it's not the right thing for me 22:45:19 <Eddi|zuHause> right now at least 22:45:25 <TrueBrain> 1.6 GiB? 22:45:31 <Eddi|zuHause> i need a really quick and really dirty solution 22:45:35 <TrueBrain> I don't think even a direct dump could get that done in 5 minutes :) 22:45:43 <Eddi|zuHause> i mean 5 minutes of programming time 22:45:45 <TinoDidriksen> "print" is the quick and dirty solution. 22:45:47 <TrueBrain> ah ;) 22:45:48 *** tom0004 [~Tom@92.4.96.177] has joined #openttd 22:45:53 <TrueBrain> yaml is like print :) 22:45:53 <Eddi|zuHause> and reading up on how to program it 22:46:08 <TrueBrain> (it just serializes python structures) 22:46:20 <Eddi|zuHause> that pyyaml page does not tell me anthing 22:46:51 <TrueBrain> haha 22:46:56 <TrueBrain> one moment .. where did I use it ... 22:47:34 <TrueBrain> input = open("tvrage.yaml", "r") 22:47:34 <TrueBrain> config = yaml.load(input.read()) 22:48:02 <TrueBrain> data = yaml.dump(config, indent = 2, default_flow_style = False) 22:48:05 <TrueBrain> 'import yaml' 22:48:07 <Wolf01> 'night 22:48:12 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host38-173-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:48:15 <TrueBrain> config is a random Python object 22:48:17 <TrueBrain> in my case a table 22:48:37 <Belugas> [17:17] <petern> 400GB of HD NIN video <- ho - menoum menoum menoum menoum 22:48:49 <TrueBrain> dirty, not sure if it works for you :) 22:49:07 <Eddi|zuHause> how does that behave with recursive objects, modifications of class variables, and stuff? 22:49:25 <TrueBrain> no idea 22:49:31 <Eddi|zuHause> the second point is why pickle is not enough 22:49:38 <TrueBrain> damn, I meet this lovely girl today ... 22:49:45 <TrueBrain> try it out :) 22:49:45 <Belugas> too sour, i'd say 22:49:59 <Belugas> girl, pickle... dirty 22:50:39 <TinoDidriksen> Is the data processed in a stream, or is it all one big interdependent structure? 22:51:15 <Eddi|zuHause> the data is... complicated... 22:51:22 <Eddi|zuHause> mostly tree structures 22:51:31 <petern> Belugas: downloading the victoria bc gig 22:51:41 <Belugas> all lascively intertwined... 22:51:47 <Belugas> ho... 22:51:49 <Belugas> i see :) 22:52:04 <TrueBrain> damn, can't get her out of my head .. how annoying :) 22:52:21 <Eddi|zuHause> <Belugas> all lascively intertwined... <-- err... yes, that's probably an appropriate description :p 22:53:52 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: what about a VM (like VirtualBox) and make a snapshot whenever you need one? 22:54:34 <petern> ETA: infinity 22:54:34 <petern> :o 22:55:12 <TinoDidriksen> So there's no point you can say "done with this part, write, discard, next"...? 22:56:03 *** Tim [~Administr@p5B37E17B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:58:06 <TrueBrain> I maybe should be doing something useful ... 22:58:07 <TrueBrain> hmm 22:59:29 <petern> finish noai 22:59:47 <TrueBrain> yeah ... big portion I did in the last 2 days 22:59:48 <Sacro> TrueBrain! noai! 22:59:52 <TrueBrain> no threads, yeah :) 23:00:09 <TrueBrain> now I 'only' need to commit the cleanup patches 23:00:27 <TrueBrain> which I need to port, as they are not compatible :( 23:02:33 <Sacro> sigh, this is quite challenging 23:02:42 <Sacro> how to go around london quickly and efficiently 23:03:04 <TrueBrain> maybe I should just play the game a bit :p 23:03:21 <petern> nuke it 23:03:27 <TrueBrain> haha 23:03:32 <TrueBrain> petern: then he can't enter for the next N years 23:03:32 <Rubidium> Sacro: by helicopter 23:03:35 <TrueBrain> dirty bom 23:03:37 <TrueBrain> more efficient 23:03:41 <petern> TrueBrain: how is that a problem? 23:04:53 <Rubidium> petern: then there can't be a Christmas Doctor Who special attack on London? 23:04:54 <TrueBrain> also, why waste all those good buildings 23:05:12 <Rubidium> and that piece of overvalued carbon ;) 23:05:35 <petern> gordon brown? 23:05:37 *** mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Checking whether build environment is sane ... build environment is grinning and holding a spatula. Guess not.] 23:05:50 <Rubidium> that's the major right? 23:06:00 <petern> no 23:06:19 <Rubidium> oh no... he's basically the boss of the major ;) 23:06:26 <petern> he's the pm 23:06:35 <petern> oh hang on... major? 23:06:40 <Sacro> john? 23:07:07 <thingwath> Major Major Major Major 23:07:13 <petern> boris is the mayor, heh 23:07:41 <Rubidium> mayor major... sounds the same 23:07:57 <petern> no it doesn't 23:07:58 <TrueBrain> one is big, the other is an ass 23:08:01 <TrueBrain> yeah, all the same :) 23:10:41 *** WhiteRhino [White@modem190.tmlp.net] has joined #openttd 23:11:17 <WhiteRhino> Goood evening party people. 23:11:27 <Rubidium> heh... both are boss of something, both has bosses, both get paid by the government 23:11:35 <Rubidium> s/has/have/ 23:13:21 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 23:13:28 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:13:28 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 23:14:12 <WhiteRhino> Gah! Plane crashed already.. I think the airport was too small. 23:14:20 <Sacro> hehe 23:14:40 <WhiteRhino> It's a Commuter airport and I'm flying Bakewell Luckett LB80s in and out of it. 23:18:32 <Eddi|zuHause> do english speaking cultures know the concept of "student food"? ("Studentenfutter" in german is a mix of nuts and raisins) 23:19:12 <Eddi|zuHause> (although it's usually too expensive for the average student to buy it) 23:19:51 <Rubidium> Dutch have it, but that's more a side note than an answer 23:22:48 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:25:57 <TrueBrain> darn .. I Started to build monorail, but there are no vehicles available for it :p 23:26:23 <WhiteRhino> How does that happen? o.o 23:27:24 <Rubidium> playing with AIs? 23:27:29 <TrueBrain> nope 23:27:30 <TrueBrain> cargodest 23:27:34 <TrueBrain> and a bunch of newgrfs 23:28:14 *** tom0004 [~Tom@92.4.96.177] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:28:18 *** tom0004 [~Tom@92.4.96.177] has joined #openttd 23:28:58 <WhiteRhino> Okay, maybe that kind of plane is too big for that airport. I just lost a second of my three. 23:30:26 <WhiteRhino> How do you know which planes are small enough for the small airports? 23:30:38 <WhiteRhino> Gah! There goes the last one. 23:31:43 <Nite_Owl> Look at the wiki for which airports are what sizes and the planes should say on the purchase window if they are large or small 23:32:14 <WhiteRhino> Doesn't say it on my build window right now.. 23:32:45 <Nite_Owl> Hmmm - I might be thinking of a newgrf then 23:33:06 <Sacro> TrueBrain: fail :p 23:33:09 <WhiteRhino> I need that one. And to learn how to make less traffic-jammy rails. 23:33:18 <Sacro> mm, jam 23:33:43 <WhiteRhino> It's all fun until my trains are making - a year. 23:33:53 <WhiteRhino> ...-k, I mean. 23:33:53 <Nite_Owl> AV8 is the plane grf I use 23:34:53 <TrueBrain> I should learn how to make efficient PBS blocks ... :p 23:35:42 <WhiteRhino> Balls. I had the right company of plane, but one release too late. The LB-9 is small, the LB80 is big. 23:39:44 <WhiteRhino> Seems like there comes a time in the game where a critical mass is reached where you build less and just manage/upkeep what you currently have. 23:40:37 *** Mark [~M4rk@5351EC68.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:47:19 <WhiteRhino> Sweet, I'm worth 91mil. 23:48:27 <Prof_Frink> WhiteRhino: Coverage follows a sigmoid curve. 23:48:39 <Prof_Frink> Small at the start, 'cause you have no money 23:48:52 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77DBA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:49:05 <Prof_Frink> Fast as your network expands and you have plenty of cash 23:49:07 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77DBA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:49:26 <TrueBrain> damn, I really suck in making a nice network :( 23:49:31 <Prof_Frink> Then slow again as the only things left are too small and far away to bother with 23:50:56 <WhiteRhino> But then wouldn't it be good to use an older style of vehicle or the fast cars? For the small far away stuff. 23:51:07 <WhiteRhino> Or just fast trains but short ones. 23:51:30 <Prof_Frink> fast, cheap-running 23:57:21 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-65-34-177-131.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 23:57:38 <WhiteRhino> Ooh, Tubular Steel is available now. 23:59:49 <Eddi|zuHause> the cool thing about cargodest is that you can more easily build scalable networks