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00:00:17 <Eddi|zuHause> you have mainline cargo trains going round, or back and forth, between large transfer stations 00:00:35 <Eddi|zuHause> and connect primary industries to the next mainline station, instead of directly to the industry 00:00:57 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: your profit goes down hard :( 00:01:13 <TrueBrain> and pax only is very hard :p 00:01:49 <Eddi|zuHause> as long as the secondary industries are on a mainline station, the profit does not drop very much 00:02:11 <Eddi|zuHause> but imho, primary cargo such as coal and ore should not be dependent on time at all 00:02:41 <Eddi|zuHause> would also help ships and the like 00:02:52 <TrueBrain> I still would love to change the economy (which chagnes the game compeltely btw), where you buy stuff at a coal mine for N price .. and sell it at a power plant for M 00:03:12 <TrueBrain> where price changes according to demand 00:03:13 <Eddi|zuHause> because then a 10km/h ship would be as profitable as a 250km/h train 00:03:15 <TrueBrain> (demand/supply) 00:03:25 <canidae> hrmph... i'm playing around a bit with copy&paste patch... got it to compile & stuff, can even copy stuff, although pasting is slightly more annoying. it clears the ground with dynamite, although it "can't build railroad track here". turned on a lot of debugging, but it wasn't very helpful. anyone got some clues? 00:04:13 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, i'm not sure about this buy/sell thing, it's not really what transport is about 00:04:13 <thingwath> transport companies doesn't buy their cargo, they just transport it from some place to another one :-) 00:04:37 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: that is wha thappens in real life :) 00:04:41 <Eddi|zuHause> BUT, in different times, the cargo should yield different prices 00:04:44 <TrueBrain> thingwath: hehe :) 00:04:50 *** sigmund [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 00:05:25 <Eddi|zuHause> i.e. the factory should say: you get XXX⬠if you deliver to YYY in ZZZ days 00:05:47 <Eddi|zuHause> where ZZZ can vary between eras 00:05:55 <TrueBrain> which factory ever says that? :p 00:06:09 <thingwath> (and if not, then you will pay some penalty, of course) 00:06:41 *** sigmund_ [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:06:41 <Eddi|zuHause> well, usually the receiving end says "i need supply cargo until ABC, otherwise my production line goes down" 00:07:06 <Zuu> TrueBrain: Fines for late delivery is quite common IRL I would say; 00:07:26 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: exactly; so a power plant wants cargo N for price Y 00:07:34 <Eddi|zuHause> in other cases, like fruit, the time between harvest and decay is important 00:08:01 <TrueBrain> but a fruit thingy doesn't care what you do with it 00:08:04 <TrueBrain> they sell it for N to you 00:08:06 <thingwath> power plant will most likely have agreement with mines to provide the coal 00:08:10 <TrueBrain> where N drops the longer it waits at them :p 00:08:14 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:08:28 <Eddi|zuHause> TrueBrain: i fear such a model would come with too much micromanagement 00:08:40 <thingwath> and power plant really doesn't want to stay without coal 00:08:47 <TrueBrain> it gives more management, yes :) 00:08:52 <TrueBrain> as I said, it changes the game completely :) 00:09:04 <TrueBrain> thingwath: so it offers more for coal when it runs low :) 00:09:18 <thingwath> no, it just buy some coal :-) 00:09:39 <Zuu> So don't give it to much coal, and the prices will grow.. 00:09:53 <Zuu> Like russian gas.. 00:09:56 <TrueBrain> isn't that happening in real life? :p 00:10:47 <TrueBrain> but there is always some other company wanting to transport coal .. so ;) 00:10:58 <canidae> hmm, that's interesting... copy/paste works for roads, but not railroads... well, at least one clue :) 00:11:03 <thingwath> I guess that both power plant and mining company want long-term contracts 00:11:04 <Zuu> yea, unless you have monopoly.. 00:11:32 <TrueBrain> the idea does fail in SP :p 00:11:57 <Zuu> TrueBrain: Good we have NoAI then ;) 00:12:04 <WhiteRhino> So close to my first hundred-mil.. 00:12:40 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1EAB6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:13:27 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't like this supposed economy model, at least not for this game... 00:13:55 <WhiteRhino> Annd.... Whoo! 00:14:07 <Zuu> WhiteRhino: Money should be put into more locos and infrastructure to gain even more revenue :D 00:14:14 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: it would make the game much more interesting :) 00:14:19 <TrueBrain> but ... it is an other game, yes ;) 00:14:36 <orudge> www.tt-forums.net/meet/ 00:14:37 <orudge> beware :p 00:14:43 <Eddi|zuHause> what i would like to see is evolving price rates... at a time where the max speed is 30km/h, people will spend much higher rates for travelling at that speed, than when the speed is 300km/h 00:15:11 <Eddi|zuHause> so starting out in 1835 with rail would actually make a sensible game... 00:15:24 <Zuu> TrueBrain: The model you are talking about was up for discussion in Transport Empire, in the long discussions we had there log back ago. :) 00:16:01 <TrueBrain> we talked about it here too many tmes :) 00:16:17 <WhiteRhino> I'd probably have a lot more money if I wasn't so hypnotized watching my own trains and cars drive about. 00:16:22 <Eddi|zuHause> and you need to upgrade vehicles not because they are old, or increase your income margin, but actually because people start to pay less for the transport, so you need to cut expenses 00:16:29 <TrueBrain> but with cargodest it is much more useful ;) 00:16:57 <Eddi|zuHause> i think cargodest contradicts your model 00:17:25 <TrueBrain> then I don't think you understand it ;) hehe :) 00:17:40 <TrueBrain> mind you I see cargodest only useful with pax ;) 00:17:43 <TrueBrain> not with normal cargo :) 00:18:36 <thingwath> just deliver anything anywhere 00:18:41 <Zuu> Well, I think cargodest for normal cargo is usefull. 00:18:53 <TrueBrain> in this economy model, yeah :) 00:19:21 <Zuu> But then probably with a model where cargo choose between the offered destinations; 00:21:04 <Zuu> (me writing on dvorak instead of svorak = types ; instead of dots at end of sentensies :p) 00:21:25 <thingwath> http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3031/2816969454_c1305bfa61_o.jpg :-) ("cokoliv kamkoliv" -> "anything anywhere") 00:23:30 <TrueBrain> nice movie orudge :) 00:23:45 <orudge> the actual movie will take some time to finish, alas :p 00:23:50 <orudge> since I have about 2 hours of footage to wade through 00:23:55 <TrueBrain> as always ;) 00:24:10 <orudge> it took me about 4-5 hours to do just this 00:24:25 <TrueBrain> you suck! 00:24:26 <TrueBrain> haha :) 00:24:27 <TrueBrain> kidding;) 00:25:12 <orudge> :P 00:25:39 *** FR^2 [frr@oscar.frquadrat.de] has quit [Quit: Connection reset by caffein depletion...] 00:27:54 <Zuu> orudge: Looks nice though lags quite a lot from my slow laptop (6.5 year old), and "only" 5 Mbit. Will look better when I get back to my droom with real internet and better computer :) 00:28:58 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g228073113.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Rhabarberbarbarabarbarbarenbartbarbierbierbar] 00:30:45 <Zuu> 4-5 hours isn't that bad. The productions I've said yes to do have been like 20-30 hours, but then for 4-6 hour raw material that should get down to 10-30 minutes. 00:31:20 <Zuu> Though I can't say I enjoy it that much. Hard to listen to music while doing movies :p 00:33:09 <Zuu> Good night guys got to get some sleep :) 00:33:17 *** Zuu [Zuu__@c-53f3e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:33:20 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77DB4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:36:04 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@user-5af0abe4.wfd105.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:36:04 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:36:09 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 00:37:46 <WhiteRhino> Hmm. I have 1,500 crates of goods en-route waiting in a station. 00:40:00 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77DBA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:45:55 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 00:46:02 <Eddi|zuHause> then transport them away. 00:46:04 <Eddi|zuHause> very simple. 00:48:11 * Sacro transports Eddi|zuHause away 00:48:26 * Sacro dumps him at a steel mill 00:48:47 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... steel 00:48:58 <Eddi|zuHause> did i ever mention that i am a ferrovore? 00:49:06 <WhiteRhino> Wow. That sounded almost Optimus Prime-y. 00:49:32 *** tom0004 [~Tom@92.4.96.177] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:49:37 <WhiteRhino> Never all "What the hell am I doing at a steel mill?" but just "Hmm. Steel." I dunno, maybe I'm tired. >., 00:49:39 *** tom0004 [~Tom@92.4.96.177] has joined #openttd 00:50:48 <Eddi|zuHause> should have said "mjam" 00:50:55 <Eddi|zuHause> as in "tasty" 00:50:57 <WhiteRhino> *snickers* 00:51:01 <WhiteRhino> My life is pain? 00:51:15 <Eddi|zuHause> as in: an enthusiastic "hm" 00:52:06 <TrueBrain> you guys are WEIRD 00:52:08 <TrueBrain> time to find my bed! 00:52:19 <WhiteRhino> I told my brother I had five coal trains going into a single powerplant. He asked if the plant was named Global Warming. 00:52:24 <WhiteRhino> G'night. =) 00:53:19 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fc041.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:54:46 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-63-174.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:01:14 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.163.208] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:06:04 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:07:18 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77DB4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:07:46 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77DB4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:25:13 *** elmex [~elmex@e180067034.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:00:30 *** tom0004 [~Tom@92.4.96.177] has quit [Quit: http://www.chogie.eu] 02:01:33 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:43:26 *** De_Ghosty [~s@69-196-138-75.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:45:14 *** De_Ghost [~s@76-10-147-173.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 03:01:15 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:04:58 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 03:05:28 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:09:00 <Sacro> Anyone around? 03:09:02 <Sacro> "How many bits are required to store an int fundamental type, in a 64bit build" 03:09:08 <Sacro> doesn't that depend on the compiler? 03:10:14 <Eddi|zuHause> exactly 03:10:18 <Sacro> fuck... 03:10:27 <Sacro> so not only can the lecturer not tell his left from his right 03:10:36 <Sacro> he asks vague "it depends" exam questions 03:10:45 <Eddi|zuHause> the C standard only "suggests" that the native word size is used 03:11:09 *** Zeal [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:11:26 *** Zealotus [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 03:12:53 <Sacro> yay, score of 0/6 03:12:54 <Sacro> not bad 03:14:59 <WhiteRhino> Yet another reason I dislike college. =D 03:15:30 <Sacro> how many bits 03:15:32 <Sacro> feck knows 03:15:40 <Belugas> [22:09] <Sacro> "How many bits are required to store an int fundamental type, in a 64bit build" <--- as required by the compiler been used 03:15:42 <Sacro> How many bits are required to store an int fundamental type, in a 64bit build 03:15:42 <Sacro> A. 16 03:15:42 <Sacro> B. 32 03:15:42 <Sacro> C. 48 03:15:45 <Sacro> D. 64 03:15:55 <Sacro> those are my answers 03:16:06 <Sacro> no "it depends" or "sizeof(int)" 03:16:26 <Belugas> i'd go with b) but i'm sure its a trick 03:16:38 <Belugas> "Hey Teachers, leave the kids Alone" 03:16:46 * Belugas -< bed 03:16:48 <Belugas> hem.. 03:16:50 <Belugas> -> 03:16:51 <WhiteRhino> He wants to give vague questions, give vague answers. >.> 03:17:04 <thingwath> enough for INT_MAX :) 03:17:12 <Sacro> WhiteRhino: multiple choice 03:17:21 <Sacro> we *can't* answer that correctly 03:17:30 * Sacro posts a complaint on the uni forum 03:17:40 <Sacro> thankfully i live with one of our student reps 03:17:44 <Sacro> i'll get him to complain 03:17:48 <WhiteRhino> Good man. 03:18:13 <WhiteRhino> In my defense, I typed and entered my response up there before sort of netburp that gave me the four choices. ;) 03:18:24 <Sacro> yes i saw 03:18:27 <Sacro> but that doesn't help 03:19:58 <thingwath> I'm not sure if real questions about standard C were any better 03:20:45 <Sacro> oh, the answer isn't 64 03:20:46 <Sacro> it's 32 03:20:52 <Sacro> how the fudge did they get that 03:20:52 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:21:08 <thingwath> well, most likely it will be 32 bits, for most compilers 03:21:17 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 03:22:32 <Sacro> i think i just broke e-bridge into giving me the answers 03:22:47 <Sacro> yes i did 03:22:49 <Sacro> but how 03:23:11 <Sacro> haha 03:23:23 <Sacro> it seems that 50% of the time it shows my answers 03:23:27 <Sacro> 50% it shows the right ones 03:24:13 <thingwath> which of the following is not a TeX macropackage: a. webmac, b. NTC, c. czech styl 03:24:16 <thingwath> hehe. :-( 03:24:25 <thingwath> this one is even better 03:24:47 <Sacro> there, all right 03:24:53 <Sacro> thanks for the answers e-bridge 03:30:04 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77DB4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:30:24 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77DB4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 03:31:43 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.160.98] has joined #openttd 03:31:48 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:35:52 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:55:54 *** vraa [~vraa@h169.68.20.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 03:55:56 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... python segfaulted on me... 03:58:39 *** vraa [~vraa@h169.68.20.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #openttd 04:00:44 *** Zorn [zorn@e177228201.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 04:08:08 *** Zorni [zorn@e177237021.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:15:50 *** fjb [~frank@p5485EB7A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 04:27:46 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 04:47:52 <WhiteRhino> So, Thief works on ME. It just works kinda badly. 04:51:48 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks1.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: Quit] 05:04:08 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 05:04:08 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:04:10 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 05:42:31 *** vraa_ [~vraa@h169.68.20.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #openttd 05:48:53 *** vraa [~vraa@h169.68.20.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:00:01 *** evandar [~evandar@213.168.176.142] has joined #openttd 06:12:24 *** evandar [~evandar@xbl.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:28:46 *** einKarl [~einKarl@91-66-180-201-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 06:46:58 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 06:46:58 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:47:01 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 06:51:36 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 07:08:45 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 07:08:45 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:08:48 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 07:09:20 *** wolfy [~Wolfenste@dhcp-077-251-185-139.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:09:59 *** einKarl [~einKarl@91-66-180-201-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:15:54 *** roboboy [7248c23a@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 07:18:13 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83DE0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:35:02 <petern> hurr 07:35:13 <WhiteRhino> What's up? 07:58:27 *** roboboy [7248c23a@webchat.mibbit.com] has left #openttd [] 07:58:41 *** roboboy [7248c23a@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 08:06:44 *** Dr_Jekyll [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0FD13.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:08:45 *** Wolle [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0F0C1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:12:07 *** roboboy [7248c23a@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 08:21:03 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.160.98] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:22:39 <WhiteRhino> Anybody awake enough to tell me if they think watching the movie Running Bull is worth watching? 08:22:46 <WhiteRhino> Raging Bull, I mean. >.< 08:29:09 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:30:11 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:30:34 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 08:31:45 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest598 08:31:47 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-67-2.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 08:35:36 *** Guest598 [~Dale@pool-71-98-67-2.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:52:16 *** Tim [83dc24f1@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 08:52:21 <Tim> Morning 08:54:39 <Tim> I found a FlySpray Task which could be closed, i guess... It's about the "+"-key not working for zooming, with the latest nightly however it works with both "+"-keys on my PC and with the one on my laptop, too (using WinXP). FS#1265 08:57:50 <Rubidium> isn't there a "request to close" button somewhere on the page of that bug? 08:59:06 <Tim> Hehe, found it just after posting here ;) 08:59:15 <Tim> ....and used it 08:59:20 *** ecke [~ecke@xbl.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 09:05:55 <dihedral> <TrueBrain> [01:17:40] mind you I see cargodest only useful with pax ;) <- also good with goods 09:06:17 <dihedral> and could have a very interesting behavior with pbi or ecs 09:06:42 <dihedral> (e.g. when an industry stops accepting due to the full stock pile) 09:07:03 <dihedral> and: good morning :-) 09:07:41 <Tim> Yes, it is cool with ECS, if it would only divide the cargo properly ;) 09:08:08 <dihedral> (personally i am not a friend of ECS :-P) 09:12:40 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.160.98] has joined #openttd 09:17:00 *** elmex [~elmex@e180069002.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 09:27:38 *** snorre [~snorre@cF6FC00C3.dhcp.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 09:36:21 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8208A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 09:36:24 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 09:40:11 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 09:52:38 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 09:52:38 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:52:41 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 10:12:29 *** WhiteRhino [White@modem190.tmlp.net] has quit [Quit: Bedtime for Bongo.] 10:22:58 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77DB4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:23:19 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77DB4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:26:22 <petern> lol 10:26:31 <petern> "when can you get this work done, i need it today?" 10:26:42 <petern> "it won't be done" 10:26:44 <petern> "why not" 10:26:47 <petern> "i'm doing other stuff" 10:27:05 <petern> "when can you get this work done, i need it today?" 10:27:07 <petern> "2 weeks" 10:27:11 <petern> "that's too long" 10:27:24 <petern> "yes but i'm doing other stuff" 10:27:30 <petern> "when can you get this work done, i need it today?" 10:27:31 <petern> "4 weeks" 10:27:38 <petern> i got up to 10 weeks... 10:27:44 <petern> they just don't get it... 10:28:07 <Tim> ;) 10:28:37 <tosse> you can have it done fast, well or cheap, choose two! 10:32:15 <canidae> "fast" and "well" then, please :) 10:34:00 <Tim> Hehe, found another FlySpray Task which i requested for closure :) 10:36:12 <TrueBrain> pompiedom 10:37:05 <petern> there's also a work request system which gets ignored 10:37:12 <petern> blah de blah 10:39:08 <petern> Win7_relnotes_beta.docx 10:39:16 <petern> heh 10:40:10 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: I want to renew the certificate of secure; any problems if I do that now? :) (the current one expires the 23th) 10:44:51 *** Zeal [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 10:48:13 *** Zealotus [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:50:33 <petern> good ol' cacert 10:52:55 <TrueBrain> Thunderbird sucks ... it no longer fetches my email :( 10:53:05 <TrueBrain> (which makes it kind of useless, in fact) 10:54:10 *** roboboy [7248d73e@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 11:00:24 *** roboboy [7248d73e@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 11:01:14 <petern> yeah, so 11:01:31 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:01:39 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 11:06:33 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r14907 /trunk/src/ (9 files in 5 dirs): -Codechange: Remove 32 character limit from driver/blitter selection and parameters. 11:06:43 <TrueBrain> still no working email client ... wtf ... 11:08:06 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: renewing the certificate if fine by me 11:16:48 <petern> bah 11:16:59 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g228073113.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 11:17:04 <petern> why do some windows servers ignore my auto-disconnect settings? :( 11:23:26 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 11:23:26 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:23:29 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 11:29:22 <TrueBrain> wtf, still thunderbird refuses to work ....... this aint normal :( 11:30:21 <petern> maybe your mail server's broken ;) 11:31:14 <TrueBrain> that is the weird part ... all servers are running correctly (and my mail application loads 4 mailservers) 11:37:22 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:40:10 *** tom0004 [~Tom@92.4.96.177] has joined #openttd 11:42:38 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r14908 /trunk/src/ (driver.cpp driver.h): -Codechange: Add support for text parameters. 11:54:56 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@user-54428ac9.l1.c6.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:57:13 *** tom0004 [~Tom@92.4.96.177] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:57:50 *** tom0004 [~Tom@92.4.96.177] has joined #openttd 12:05:28 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r14909 /trunk/src/ (music/extmidi.cpp music/extmidi.h settings.cpp sound_type.h): 12:05:28 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Codechange: Remove global option for the extmidi driver and make it a driver 12:05:28 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: parameter with the name cmd instead. This means if you have an "extmidi = ..." 12:05:28 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: line in your config you must change it to "musicdriver = extmidi:cmd=...", in 12:05:28 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: the [misc] section. 12:16:30 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ff278.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 12:21:52 *** tom0004 [~Tom@92.4.96.177] has quit [Quit: http://www.chogie.eu] 12:21:58 *** tom0004 [~Tom@92.4.96.177] has joined #openttd 12:23:16 <TrueBrain> why am I so lazy these days :) 12:23:21 <TrueBrain> cold outside .. /me goes lazy ;) 12:24:01 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-53f3e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 12:24:03 <petern> :D 12:24:36 <TrueBrain> is putting a fridge next to a radiator a bad idea? 12:25:06 <blathijs> yeah, I think it's generally considered to be a bad idea 12:25:37 <TrueBrain> the door of my fridge opens the wrong way 12:25:41 <TrueBrain> so if I put it on the other side .. 12:25:45 <TrueBrain> but ... there is the radiator .. 12:25:48 <TrueBrain> I need a bigger room :( 12:25:51 <Zuu> Depends on what way you look at it. The fridge would help the radiator to warm up the room. 12:26:28 <blathijs> TrueBrain: Most fridges allow you to change the door to open the other way 12:27:24 <blathijs> Zuu: All waste energy will eventually become heat, so the problem is not too much of a problem 12:27:53 <TrueBrain> blathijs: true ... it only requires me to put the fridge on its side ;) 12:28:02 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 12:28:04 <Zuu> Esp. if the house is using electricity powered radiators. Though that is not that common in apartments. 12:28:33 <TrueBrain> central heating here :) 12:30:11 <Zuu> So if you either have some moral or pay for the individually used electricity you should put the fridge apart from the radiator. But if you don't have any moral and you all share the electricity bill on the rent you can put it next to the radiator. :) 12:30:58 <TrueBrain> hehe :) 12:31:07 <TrueBrain> it is just that my radiator is currently hot hot hot hot hot :p 12:31:20 <TrueBrain> (as in: you can't put your fingers on it :p) 12:31:37 <Zuu> Ok 12:32:04 *** mucht_work [~Martin@143.50.125.24] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:32:05 <Zuu> Thats mine too here, but that one is electricity powered. 12:32:31 <TrueBrain> bah, someone 'borrowed' my 'inbus' key .. and never returned it :( 12:33:00 <Zuu> A good reason to go to the tool shop :D 12:33:26 <TrueBrain> I have to go there anyway :) 12:33:35 <Zuu> One can never have to many tools. 12:33:36 <TrueBrain> but it is COLD outside :p 12:35:15 <Zuu> true, but thats why cloths are for. :) 12:35:25 <Zuu> /why/what/ 12:35:55 <TrueBrain> true :) 12:36:06 <Zuu> But also a motive for taking a ride with public transport :) 12:36:16 *** einKarl [~einKarl@91-66-180-201-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 12:36:45 <TrueBrain> the toolshop is 5 minute son bike 12:36:51 <TrueBrain> and I think .. 20 minutes via public transport 12:36:52 <TrueBrain> so nah :) 12:37:13 <TrueBrain> hmm .. also gives me the chance to get some wood to make my computer table a bit higher :) 12:38:01 <Zuu> So you can stay in front of the computer longer without having pain :) 12:38:36 <TrueBrain> pain? :p 12:39:06 <Zuu> You said your computer table was to low. 12:40:07 <Zuu> I can't sit with a laptop for more than about a day before I need to put it on a big pile of books and hook in an external keyboard. 12:40:37 <TrueBrain> I don't have a laptop ;) 12:42:34 <Zuu> But even monitors are usually to low without putting them on a pile of books. 12:42:41 <TrueBrain> k, out to do some shopping :) 12:42:53 <Zuu> Yay, go for it TrueBrain :D 12:43:10 <TrueBrain> oh, in my case that is in fact fine ... (good monitors ;)) 12:43:20 <Zuu> You won't regret your new tools ;) 12:43:23 <TrueBrain> but ... my knees don't fit under the table when my chair is at the height I want :) 12:43:35 <TrueBrain> so .. I need to put some space between that ;) 12:43:54 <Zuu> Could be good then yes :) 12:44:35 <TrueBrain> but now you mention it ... it might indeed be good to put the monitors a bit higher too 12:44:43 <TrueBrain> :p 12:44:44 <TrueBrain> Bye :) 12:44:48 <Zuu> Cya 12:45:25 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:45:33 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 12:47:21 *** mucht_work [~Martin@143.50.125.24] has joined #openttd 12:47:50 *** Vikthor [~novotv6@pc404-41.feld.cvut.cz] has joined #openttd 12:56:51 *** mikl [~mikl@80.199.116.190.static.peytz.dk] has joined #openttd 12:58:44 *** Ctibor [~ctibor@77.48.228.43] has joined #openttd 13:04:38 *** tom0004 [~Tom@92.4.96.177] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:04:50 *** tom0004 [~Tom@92.4.96.177] has joined #openttd 13:21:42 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E105.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:23:58 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-17.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #openttd 13:28:22 *** Vikthor [~novotv6@pc404-41.feld.cvut.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:44:15 * TrueBrain is happy with his new tools :p 13:47:34 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:47:39 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 13:48:42 <dihedral> his new tools? 13:48:46 <dihedral> _new_ tools? 13:48:53 <dihedral> sheesh! your spoilt! 13:49:02 <dihedral> :-D 13:51:51 <tokai> sounds dirty:) 13:55:14 <TrueBrain> it isn't really 13:55:16 <TrueBrain> but okay 13:57:08 <petern> dihedral, you're 13:57:36 <dihedral> thanks petern 13:57:43 <dihedral> i often make that mistake 13:57:53 <dihedral> tokai, that's just a bit of fun between me and TB 13:58:02 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14910 /trunk/ (11 files in 5 dirs): -Codechange: merge the command queue handling into a single location 13:58:10 <TrueBrain> dihedral: eeeuuuuhhhh ...... 13:58:15 <dihedral> hihi 13:58:19 <TrueBrain> something you want to tell me? :p 13:58:38 <tokai> Still sounded dirty:) But maybe better than "beeing happy with new *toys*" .. erm. ;) 13:58:49 * tokai runs. 13:58:56 <petern> hmm, is there no define for when a dedicated-only build is made? 13:59:15 <TrueBrain> is there any need? :p 13:59:23 <petern> well 13:59:33 <petern> some stuff is built that is not necessary 13:59:42 <petern> blitters... 13:59:55 <TrueBrain> in the old days there was a define :) 14:00:23 <TrueBrain> if [ "$enable_dedicated" != "0" ]; then 14:00:23 <TrueBrain> CFLAGS="$CFLAGS -DDEDICATED" 14:00:23 <TrueBrain> fi 14:00:41 <petern> ah 14:00:51 <TrueBrain> logic, not? :p 14:04:04 *** nfc [nfc@cable-hvk-fe7ede00-156.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:05:35 *** Tim [83dc24f1@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 14:10:50 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r14911 /trunk/src/openttd.cpp: -Fix (r14909): -D did not work 14:11:58 *** OwenS [~OwenS@host86-128-252-186.range86-128.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 14:21:04 <Belugas> petern's on fire! 14:25:36 *** tom0004 [~Tom@92.4.96.177] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:25:42 *** tom0004 [~Tom@92.4.96.177] has joined #openttd 14:28:29 <Swallow> <nitpicking>The new file network_command.cpp still has the old @file doxygen comment</nitpicking> 14:30:00 <Belugas> mmh? 14:30:41 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r14912 /trunk/src/blitter/factory.hpp: -Codechange: Autoprobe 'null' blitter when built as dedicated-only. 14:31:29 <petern> (a dedicated build can be run without -D, in such a case it used 8bpp-optimized, and allocated memory for the driver which wasn't necessary) 14:33:43 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r14913 /trunk/source.list: -Codechange: (Well, Buildchange:) Don't include unnecessary blitters or drivers when built as dedicated-only. 14:34:55 <mrfrenzy> http://thismight.be/offensive/uploads/2009/01/07/image/251593_choo%20choo.jpg 14:36:01 <petern> yeah 14:36:04 <petern> i'm offended by that 14:36:52 <Rubidium> petern: is that the final nail in the coffin for screenshots in dedicated servers? 14:38:29 <TrueBrain> pff .. rewriting stuff again is not fun :( 14:38:33 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: belugas * r14914 /trunk/src/network/network_command.cpp: -Documentation: Correct doxygen comment for file name. <nitpicked> by Swallow 14:39:13 <petern> oh dear 14:39:16 <petern> screenshots were put back in? 14:39:41 <TrueBrain> it was never out 14:39:42 <Rubidium> well, they weren't technically gone 14:39:43 <TrueBrain> just hidden :p 14:39:57 <Rubidium> you just needed to force another blitter than the null blitter 14:39:57 <TrueBrain> very useless, if you ask me :p 14:40:17 <petern> :/ 14:40:20 <petern> well 14:40:40 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14915 /trunk/src/ (7 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: unify the receiving and sending of commands, and thus unifying most of the validity checking too. 14:41:09 <TrueBrain> now they even need to force compiling a blitter ;) 14:41:10 <TrueBrain> haha 14:42:13 <petern> interesting 14:42:30 <petern> -D would use null blitter anyway, but without didn't 14:42:31 <petern> hmm 14:42:37 *** Zeal [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:42:44 *** Dr_Jekyll [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0FD13.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:42:56 *** Zealotus [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 14:43:53 <petern> and you can't just switch blitters :( 14:43:56 <petern> sdo 14:43:58 <petern> -d 14:44:24 <petern> do i need to put the blitters back? 14:44:28 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 14:44:31 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 14:46:30 <Rubidium> I don't need them ;) 14:47:17 <TrueBrain> I vote: no! 14:47:57 * Belugas have no pinion obn da mader 14:48:33 * TrueBrain sends Belugas an crash-course English 14:48:44 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.124] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:49:06 <Zuu> Lot of 'nice' changes of window.cpp to go through :D (many many renamed function parameters) 14:49:12 <Belugas> A 14:49:14 <Belugas> not an 14:49:19 <Belugas> blablabla 14:49:45 <Belugas> Zuu, i'm happy you're working on it :) 14:50:07 <petern> well 14:50:09 <Belugas> not like someone who's nick starts with a Y and just not update his stuff... 14:50:23 <petern> i'll leave them out 14:50:30 <petern> the worst that can happen is some complaints :) 14:50:45 <petern> fairly sure most people were under the impression it didn't work anyway 14:51:06 <Zuu> Belugas: Rubidium commited the unified osk window patch so I got one day of work there.. but I was stupid enough to not set up hg queuse on my laptop from start. 14:52:25 <Belugas> ... 14:52:31 <TrueBrain> petern: you would be suprised ;) But who cares ;) 14:52:31 * Belugas never works with hg 14:53:06 <Zuu> hg queues is nice if you have many patches in a series, as it can help you keep apart changes into different patches. 14:54:11 <Zuu> So what I will do now, is to update the widget-focus patch and then with help of hg my filter sign list patch will be updated also. 14:54:33 * Belugas nods 14:54:38 *** mikl [~mikl@80.199.116.190.static.peytz.dk] has quit [Quit: mikl] 14:54:41 * Belugas has a series of repos instead 14:55:00 <Belugas> nobody's perfect... 14:55:24 <Zuu> Might work as well, I had a need and went here and asked and got "hg queues" as the answer. :) 14:55:30 *** Wolle [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0C5D0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:55:40 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14916 /trunk/src/ (command.cpp command_func.h network/network_command.cpp): -Codechange: make it possible to send CommandContainers directly to DoCommand(P). 14:55:59 <planetmaker> woooh :) Commiting-sprees :) 14:56:01 <Aali> hg queues is the answer to everything! 14:56:12 <planetmaker> Aali: wrong. 42 is ;) 14:56:19 <Belugas> hooo.... i forgot that one... 14:56:26 <Belugas> The Cure - SCREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAM 14:57:06 <Belugas> what is my name ? hg queues 14:57:09 <Belugas> WRONG 14:57:15 <Belugas> how old I am ? hg queues 14:57:17 <Aali> planetmaker: actually, 42 is being replaced by hg queues 14:57:18 <Belugas> WRONG AGINA 14:57:34 <Belugas> Aali, you're a filty liar! 14:58:49 <Aali> yes, but not in this instance :P 14:58:58 * planetmaker vigorously supports Belugas 15:00:00 <planetmaker> How old are you? 42... :P 15:00:20 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 15:00:48 <Belugas> her... 15:00:50 <Belugas> i was... 15:01:11 <welshdragon> anybody getting error 80071392 with live messenger tioday? 15:01:22 <petern> no 15:01:30 <welshdragon> hmm 15:01:35 <welshdragon> mine is refusing to connect 15:01:48 <Aali> try dead messenger 15:01:51 <welshdragon> for the nth time :( 15:01:55 <petern> mine is already connected, so that may be it 15:02:10 <welshdragon> petern, are you using messenger plus! 15:02:38 <petern> no 15:02:43 <welshdragon> hmm 15:02:44 <petern> i'm using finch 15:02:51 <welshdragon> it couldbe that which is fooked 15:02:54 <Aali> my bitlbee doesn't have any problems with MSN 15:03:11 <Aali> and it's surely not going to give me an error 80071392 15:04:12 <petern> :) 15:04:44 <petern> it's amusing they turned a regular signed int error code and just used it as hexadecimal... 15:05:44 <mrfrenzy> my bitlbee is working just fine, however several contacts who probably use windows client bounce in and out 15:05:59 <petern> quite 15:06:32 *** nfc [nfc@cable-hvk-fe7ede00-156.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 15:07:10 <Belugas> if only i could remember my password... 15:07:43 * petern watches bits of windows 7 download 15:08:04 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-17.prem.tmns.net.au] has left #openttd [] 15:09:13 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:09:28 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 15:13:30 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aeje94.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 15:14:00 <lordnokon> where can you get the total list of downloads which is avaible for downloading on the openttd site and what each of the downloads are?? 15:14:23 <Belugas> haaa... got it 15:14:40 <Belugas> lordnokon, this is a VERY strange question 15:14:45 <Belugas> care to elaborate? 15:14:57 <Belugas> what are you looking for?? 15:15:58 <TrueBrain> http://binaries.openttd.org ;) :p 15:16:08 <lordnokon> i see there alot of "r13942" downloads etc etc, was just wonder where you can see what each of those downloads are for and what they do 15:16:28 <TrueBrain> different versions of the game 15:16:31 <petern> it is simply revision 13942 15:16:35 <tom0004> there revisons of nightly builds 15:16:37 <TrueBrain> the higher the number, the newer (like any game/application) 15:17:00 <lordnokon> cool thanks 15:17:02 * petern remembers the fun days when nightlies were not properly synchronised 15:17:29 * tom0004 misses the days of miniIN :( 15:17:43 <Belugas> hehehe 15:17:44 <Zuu> lordnokon: See this wiki page for further references about OpenTTD versions: http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/FAQ_OpenTTD_versions 15:18:43 * Rubidium wonders what was so good about MiniIN 15:19:18 <Rubidium> besides it having many bugs that nobody cared to talk about because then people would say MiniIN was too buggy 15:19:58 <Belugas> and people getting confused about it been a lab for devs etc... 15:20:35 * frosch123 guesses it turns into a myth 15:21:52 <Rubidium> it's already a myth 15:22:02 <Rubidium> and it survived remarkably long 15:22:32 <TrueBrain> that suprised everyone :) 15:24:32 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.124] has joined #openttd 15:24:33 <lordnokon> is there by any change a date to when the new openttd release will be launch 15:24:43 <Rubidium> it's also been the only "patchpack" that had relative backward compatability with itself and trunk (loaded last trunk games and loaded the few last revisions of the MiniIN savegames) 15:25:11 <lordnokon> ill tell you why i cant see my income and costs. 15:25:31 <lordnokon> i can see my my totals, and the screen isnt minimized 15:25:32 <TrueBrain> lordnokon: when it is done 15:26:11 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77DB4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:26:38 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77DB4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:26:44 <Aali> Zuu: so are you going to update the filter sign list patch now? :P 15:30:07 <frosch123> silly firefox 3: "<left arrow> search upwards", "<right arrow> search downwards" 15:32:04 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-53f3e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:35:10 <Aali> how is that silly? 15:37:34 <Eddi|zuHause> up is down... even jack sparrow figured that out 15:37:44 <dihedral> hehe 15:37:48 <dihedral> there are not spoons though 15:38:54 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-53f3e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 15:39:32 *** Zuu is now known as Guest644 15:39:36 <Aali> "search upwards" is really "find previous", and if you're using a left-to-right language, that should make sense 15:40:06 <Eddi|zuHause> what happened to F3 and shift+F3? 15:42:02 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i love this song... 15:43:12 <Eddi|zuHause> (Evanescence - My Immortal) 15:45:02 <Rubidium> is that the song I think it is? 15:45:18 <Eddi|zuHause> that might very well be... 15:46:06 <Eddi|zuHause> but you should rephrase that... "are you thinking what i am thinking?" 15:46:11 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks1.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 15:47:31 <Rubidium> yup it is ;) 15:48:12 *** Guest644 is now known as Zuu 15:51:02 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5F28E.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 15:54:27 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008120122]] 15:55:32 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 16:01:44 *** mucht_work [~Martin@143.50.125.24] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:01:57 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.160.98] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:02:33 *** Vikthor [~novotv6@pc404-18.feld.cvut.cz] has joined #openttd 16:03:39 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8208A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:05:23 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B804CA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:05:26 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 16:07:28 *** mucht_work [~Martin@143.50.125.24] has joined #openttd 16:11:05 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:11:17 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 16:14:30 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82.136.228.38] has joined #openttd 16:18:03 *** wolfy [~Wolfenste@dhcp-077-251-185-139.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 16:21:25 *** KritiK [~Maxim@websorbs.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 16:21:46 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 16:25:03 <Aali> Rubidium: now that the window limit is gone, you should remove the MAX_NUMBER_OF_WINDOWS constant from window_gui.h 16:25:19 <petern> is it? 16:25:41 <Aali> there's still a configurable soft limit 16:25:49 <petern> ah 16:28:45 *** ecke_ [~ecke@pc154-199.upce.cz] has joined #openttd 16:30:40 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truebrain * r14917 /branches/noai/ (26 files in 5 dirs): 16:30:40 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [NoAI] -Codechange: removed the last pieces of thread code from AI 16:30:40 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [NoAI] -Codechange: moved ai.cpp into a class based structure 16:30:40 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [NoAI] -Codechange: more layer seperation (still more to come) 16:31:31 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.124] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:33:53 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14918 /trunk/src/window_gui.h: -Cleanup: remove unused constant. 16:33:56 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g228022003.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 16:35:57 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14919 /trunk/src/ (19 files in 5 dirs): -Feature: distant joining of stations (Frostregen and PhilSophus) 16:37:42 <Aali> woo 16:37:52 <Aali> another patch gone from my patchset 16:41:14 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g228073113.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:41:14 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 16:41:18 <petern> yay, no more station walking :D 16:41:32 <Aali> @seen Celestar 16:41:32 <DorpsGek> Aali: Celestar was last seen in #openttd 1 week, 2 days, 0 hours, 34 minutes, and 7 seconds ago: <Celestar> cu :D 16:41:43 <petern> @seen cargodest development 16:41:43 <DorpsGek> petern: seen [<channel>] <nick> 16:41:45 <petern> :/ 16:41:56 <Aali> yes :/ 16:42:03 <petern> let's migrate it away from boost! ;) 16:42:15 <Aali> I would be happy if someone synced it with trunk though :/ 16:45:31 *** ecke_ [~ecke@pc154-199.upce.cz] has quit [Quit: ecke_] 16:45:34 <Belugas> fuck you're demanding... 16:46:09 <FauxFaux> Ooh, that sounds hax. 16:46:36 *** Bennythen00b [~Bennythen@40.81-166-86.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 16:47:25 <Belugas> hoax? hex? heck? hell? heal? 16:47:28 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truebrain * r14920 /branches/noai/src/ (6 files in 3 dirs): [NoAI] -Codechange: redirect 2 more functions to their right layer, which removes the layer-breaking of ai_scanner 16:48:11 <petern> Aali: yeah, why don't you? 16:48:50 <FauxFaux> Belugas: Hax, as in, hacks -> fun/cheating. 16:48:57 <Aali> because I'm not involved in cargodest development? 16:49:10 *** M4rk [~M4rk@5351EC68.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 16:49:20 <TrueBrain> Aali: so? 16:49:20 <frosch123> then it's time to 16:49:34 <Belugas> FauxFaux, something to add to my "culture" :) 16:50:29 <petern> bah, blaupunkt's DAB tuner is poo 16:50:37 <FauxFaux> Belugas: I wouldn't, if you have a choice. :p 16:50:44 *** Vikthor [~novotv6@pc404-18.feld.cvut.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:50:45 *** M4rk is now known as Mark_ 16:54:35 <dihedral> oi 16:58:08 *** goodger [~ben@host81-153-85-164.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:59:06 *** goodger [~ben@host81-153-85-164.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 17:10:02 *** Zeal [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 17:10:05 <petern> what? 17:10:48 *** De_Ghost [~s@76-10-147-173.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:13:26 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 17:13:36 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:13:36 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 17:14:11 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:15:39 *** Zealotus [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:22:04 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.160.98] has joined #openttd 17:33:00 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.160.98] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:33:27 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.160.98] has joined #openttd 17:36:01 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.124] has joined #openttd 17:36:02 <Splex> y 17:36:04 <Splex> ok finally 17:37:09 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.160.98] has quit [] 17:37:16 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.160.98] has joined #openttd 17:38:50 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.160.98] has quit [] 17:38:59 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.160.98] has joined #openttd 17:47:26 *** De_Ghost [~s@206-248-131-226.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 17:55:46 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc2-rdng14-0-0-cust631.winn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 18:01:00 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host205-174-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 18:02:09 <Wolf01> hello 18:02:53 <Zuu> hello 18:02:55 <TrueBrain> hi 18:04:02 <Zuu> TrueBrain: Did you succed with your fridge and computer table? 18:06:12 <TrueBrain> nope 18:06:13 <TrueBrain> neither 18:10:59 <goodger> 0.o 18:11:01 * goodger scrolls up 18:12:48 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r14921 /trunk/src/ (npf.cpp yapf/yapf_destrail.hpp): -Fix [FS#2507]: Do not try to calculate a center of a train-station, when there is none. 18:19:24 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@user-54428ac9.l1.c6.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:19:55 <Aali> petern, TrueBrain, frosch123: syncing cargodest with trunk isn't all that easy since the new order class got introduced, someone who actually knows how cargodest works should do it 18:23:41 *** mucht_home [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 18:23:51 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 18:28:19 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc2-rdng14-0-0-cust631.winn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:28:54 <petern> Aali, get acquainted? ;) 18:31:57 <George> I would like to ask about http://bugs.openttd.org/ - previously, it displayed the time when a comment was posted, but does not do it now. Is there a way to configure it? 18:33:08 <TrueBrain> " Comment by Nathanael Rebsch (dihedral) - Wednesday, 05 November 2008, 07:50 GMT" <- I don't know what you are reading .. 18:34:39 <George> Comment by Jean-Francois Claeys (Belugas) - george 18:34:46 <TrueBrain> url? 18:34:49 <George> at http://bugs.openttd.org/task/1983 for example 18:35:12 <FauxFaux> Shows it here, Opera 9.whatever windows, not logged in. 18:35:24 <Belugas> " Comment by Jean-Francois Claeys (Belugas) - Monday, 05 May 2008, 02:15 GMT " 18:35:39 <TrueBrain> " Comment by Jean-Francois Claeys (Belugas) - Monday, 05 May 2008, 02:15 GMT" 18:35:47 <TrueBrain> so I think it is a local problem George :) 18:36:02 <Rubidium> George: you probably fracked up the date format in you "my details" 18:36:17 <Rubidium> i.e. http://bugs.openttd.org/myprofile 18:36:19 <George> I found a problem! The "Detailed date format" format became changed (but I'm sure I never did it) 18:36:33 <frosch123> George: maybe you are on the "history" tab instead of "comments" 18:37:17 <George> I'm not allowed to see history and reports. Can it be changed too? 18:41:26 * edeca dances 18:41:35 * TrueBrain dances with edeca 18:41:55 <edeca> Wooh :) 18:42:12 * Belugas slides banana peals on the floor 18:42:13 <Rubidium> now who has the lead and what are they dancing? 18:42:25 <TrueBrain> bad Belugas, bad bad bad Belugas 18:42:54 <TrueBrain> I always lead :) 18:43:43 <George> TrueBrain: If so, what about to allow me "view history" and "view reports"? 18:44:43 <TrueBrain> I see no reason why that information is important to you 18:44:44 <TrueBrain> so nah 18:45:08 <George> And, BTW, what about FS1941? 18:45:11 <Belugas> I've got no control on the bugs.openttd.org settings George, sorry 18:46:50 <George> Belugas: Do not worry, no problem here :) 18:49:48 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r14922 /trunk/src/lang/ (13 files): (log message trimmed) 18:49:48 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2009-01-08 18:49:15 18:49:48 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: afrikaans - 20 fixed, 52 changed by wpduplessis (72) 18:49:48 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: bulgarian - 46 fixed, 1 changed by Ar4i (47) 18:49:49 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: catalan - 6 fixed by arnaullv (6) 18:49:49 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: dutch - 3 fixed, 1 changed by habell (4) 18:49:51 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: finnish - 10 fixed by jpx_ (10) 18:51:50 * TrueBrain just discovered the History tab :) How useless .. now looking for 'reports' tab, still ahven't found it :p 18:52:34 <frosch123> he, was wondering about the same :) 18:53:10 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 18:54:13 <Belugas> dunno about FS1941. 18:54:28 <Belugas> i'm a bit... out of the picture, speaking about myself... 18:56:14 <Aali> hey I just realized I have a copy of PhilSophus's hg queue 18:56:40 <Aali> including the cargodest adaptation of the order class 18:57:00 <TrueBrain> hahahahaha 18:57:53 <Aali> it doesn't apply to the latest cargodest though, so it's still going to take a while to get it right 18:59:17 *** Mortal is now known as Guest666 18:59:20 *** mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 18:59:50 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:59:55 *** Phoenix_the_II [~ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 19:06:09 *** Guest666 [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:12:19 <petern> i have returned! 19:12:42 <Sacro> oh dear 19:12:44 <frosch123> searching for sarah connor? 19:12:56 <Sacro> ooh 19:13:00 <Sacro> new pg tips advert has subtitles 19:13:05 <TrueBrain> hmmm ... sarah connor ... 19:13:18 <Sacro> zomg, the TrueBrainater 19:14:11 <edeca> WOOH! 19:14:16 <edeca> Distant joint stations made trunk! 19:14:23 <edeca> That's very useful for copypaste ;) 19:14:39 <Belugas> TrueBrain, the ViewReport stuff appears on MyDetails (when overring the mouse on your name) 19:14:51 <Belugas> in my case, it's set to yes, but of course, no tab nor button for it. 19:15:13 <TrueBrain> Belugas: just no idea what that would control 19:15:15 <TrueBrain> doesn't seem useful :) 19:15:45 <TrueBrain> I guess it is the requests for reopen or close 19:15:53 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.124] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:16:01 <Wolf01> oooh nice, a really brand new feature after a long time, I'm wondering what it does 19:16:35 <frosch123> yeah, must have been suggested by a fool :p 19:17:22 <Wolf01> eeek I was involved on its development! Why you alwaysforget to mention me? 19:17:51 <Rubidium> because your co-authors forgot to mention you? 19:17:58 <Wolf01> -.-''' 19:18:49 <Wolf01> ok that I've done only the very first version which was fully developed by Frostregen 19:19:22 <Wolf01> (and worked for trainstations only) 19:22:51 <edeca> It's a cool feature, better than "cheating" by walking them 19:25:32 <Wolf01> it was not intended as a quick way for cheating, but the first use was directly relative to the adjoin stations 19:26:18 <petern> 14922 server up 19:26:41 <petern> oh, not downloadable yet :) 19:26:54 <Wolf01> edeca, see -> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=474008#p474008 19:27:22 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 19:27:32 <edeca> Wolf01: That doesn't explain anything? 19:27:55 <Wolf01> don't you see the pictures? 19:27:59 *** ecke [~ecke@xbl.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:28:05 <edeca> Wolf01: Yes, I know how the patch works, I used to use it 19:28:22 <edeca> Wolf01: I like it, better than creating 3 stations in a row and removing the middle one 19:28:28 <edeca> Wolf01: That is all I meant, not really "cheating" 19:28:31 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:28:49 <Sacro> hmm 19:29:51 <Wolf01> some times you can't walk the station to reach some places, that was the point 19:30:12 <edeca> Ah, sorry, I see 19:30:29 <Wolf01> especially if you want to place a new station in between 2 competitors' stations 19:31:02 <Wolf01> and finally the whole patch is in trunk! 19:31:11 <edeca> Yeah, that's really cool :) 19:31:18 * edeca wonders if it will work automagically with copypaste 19:32:08 <Wolf01> Yes it does, IIRC I and Frost made some tries mixing distant join with copy&paste 19:32:36 <edeca> It doesn't work with my current copy&paste 19:32:40 <edeca> I'm just merging with trunk 19:32:55 <edeca> I need to make it honour the ctrl button 19:33:05 <Wolf01> not with the current, I should have a weird custom version around 19:33:17 <Wolf01> but is pre r10000 I think 19:33:36 <petern> that's... rather old 19:34:06 <Wolf01> changes to make c&p compatible with distant join should be the same in theory 19:34:37 <edeca> Wolf01: http://openttd.edeca.net/openttd/copypaste 19:34:41 <edeca> Wolf01: I'm about to push an update 19:35:03 <joachim> does it allow more than one airport per station? 19:35:04 *** Tim [~Administr@p5B37E107.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:35:12 <Wolf01> no it doesn't 19:35:27 <Tim> Shuush, i get home and join-distant-stations is implemented :) 19:35:37 <Tim> Big thanks :) 19:36:00 <petern> it's great for cheating 19:36:18 <Tim> Oh, and nightlys just finished compiling, wonderful 19:36:27 <petern> and there's a 14922 server! 19:37:00 <edeca> Bugger, trunk breaks more in copy&paste than I thought ;) 19:37:29 <petern> :D 19:37:31 <petern> solution 19:37:34 <petern> give up on the idea 19:37:45 <edeca> petern: Heh, you don't like c&p? 19:38:15 *** sigmund_ [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 19:39:20 <Tim> Man, that feature is so cool :) 19:40:03 *** sigmund [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:40:09 <Belugas> i can count quite a few devs who do not like it... 19:40:25 <Belugas> freaking laziness and code duplication... 19:40:31 <edeca> Belugas: Much of that has been fixed. 19:40:31 *** AgentLeMan [~AgentLeMa@BAF7ce4.baf.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 19:40:48 <edeca> Belugas: Or do you mean *using* it is lazy? :) 19:40:54 <Aali> the laziness obviously hasn't :P 19:41:06 <Aali> it is lazy 19:41:17 <AgentLeMan> hello everybody :o) how can i in version 0.6.3 list all variables and their values in the ingame-console? 19:41:46 <edeca> Belugas: So what is the objection to? 19:41:47 <petern> list_vars and list_patches 19:43:51 <AgentLeMan> petern, thank you :o) so "pf.wait_for_pbs_path" and the rest from http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/Advanced_Options_%26_Features is outdated? or am i at the wrong page? 19:43:59 * edeca throws socks at Belugas 19:44:25 *** edeca was kicked from #openttd by Belugas [yurk] 19:44:26 <petern> AgentLeMan, pbs is not in 0.6.3 19:44:46 <petern> lol 19:44:53 *** edeca [~david@lenny.lionserver.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:44:55 <edeca> Heh 19:48:04 <AgentLeMan> oh, i overlooked that, sorry. i just looked at the patches in the console... would wait_oneway_signal = BigNumber make a train never ever turn around at a red signal til the end of time? 19:48:34 <Tim> Not in 0.6.3 i think 19:48:38 <Tim> But in the newest nightlys 19:48:43 <Tim> you can set it to 255 19:48:46 <Tim> which is infinite 19:48:52 <Tim> correct me if i'm wrong 19:48:57 <Belugas> edeca, let say that even if the no-dup part is (supposely) done, the laziness pasrt of it is REALLY still there 19:48:58 <AgentLeMan> it cant be done in 063 at all? 19:48:59 <Belugas> like... 19:49:12 <Belugas> where's the fun of building anymore??? 19:49:18 <Wolf01> yeah 19:49:30 <Wolf01> I agree 19:49:31 <Belugas> when woul a big button saying PLAY THE GAME FOR ME would be develooped? 19:49:36 <petern> AgentLeMan, no 19:49:55 <AgentLeMan> okies, thank you petern and Tim :O) 19:50:22 <Wolf01> what's the fun part of building a junction on a test area and then copy&paste it on the right area? 19:50:43 <edeca> Wolf01: I use it for reallyreallyreally long stretches of line with loads of signals 19:50:49 <edeca> Wolf01: & for newgrf stations when that works ;) 19:50:57 <AgentLeMan> Wolf01, less dead cows on the live track 19:51:13 <Prof_Frink> edeca: That's what ctrl-drag signals is for. 19:51:32 <Prof_Frink> AgentLeMan: *Fewer* dead cows. 19:51:50 <Wolf01> it's better trying to copy it by hand... and you will be so wondered which it will look really different also if you tried to use the same measures :D 19:51:57 <AgentLeMan> Prof_Frink: °grins° 19:54:33 <AgentLeMan> oh damn... Prof_Frink, you were of course right... 19:55:05 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E105.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:55:10 <Wolf01> now we need only sloped stations 19:55:10 <Prof_Frink> I am always right. 19:55:28 <Wolf01> if only I find how to do them 19:55:48 <AgentLeMan> Prof_Frink, well... that to judge on is the task of future generation, until now though, i personally can only say, you were right on this one 19:55:51 <Rubidium> why is each feature greeted with: "now we only need <feature>"? 19:55:51 <Wolf01> I already made trains use a steep-station 19:55:55 <dihedral> how about diagonal bridges? 19:55:58 <dihedral> :-D 19:56:04 <dihedral> uh - uh 19:56:06 <dihedral> i know 19:56:10 <dihedral> best feature ever 19:56:14 <dihedral> an undo button 19:56:21 <dihedral> Belugas, ^ 19:57:07 *** dihedral was kicked from #openttd by Belugas [reality check? YEAH!!! VERY REAL] 19:57:07 *** dihedral [~dih@vs241204.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 19:57:16 <Belugas> hehe 19:57:19 <dihedral> :-) 19:57:24 <dihedral> i lost me + :-( 19:57:28 <AgentLeMan> dihedral, you mean bridges that start on heightlevel 1 and end on heightlevel 2? 19:57:33 <Aali> this saveload codechange makes my merge program happy 19:57:39 <AgentLeMan> like... a ramp? 19:57:51 <Aali> it tries to sprinkle totally unrelated functions with saveload code :/ 19:58:01 <dihedral> AgentLeMan, i just meant to tease some people in here, which i have done successfully 19:58:33 <AgentLeMan> dihedral, i know, i just evolved your idea into maybe something useful ;oP 19:58:46 <Aali> oh hey, look at that, a function call on the last line of openttd.cpp outside any function, that makes sense! 19:58:55 <Aali> :/ 19:58:58 <dihedral> hihi 19:59:26 <Wolf01> AgentLeMan, they already do that, one head sloped and the other one horizontal :P 19:59:49 <AgentLeMan> Wolf01, oh... °sighs° i really need to play around more 19:59:49 <dihedral> :-D 20:00:01 <dihedral> you need to read the wiki :-P 20:00:24 <Rubidium> dihedral: it's also a sollicitation for people's ignore list 20:00:47 <dihedral> right! true! 20:01:18 <dihedral> i just thought you'd also get the part where it makes fun of one of the recent forum threads 20:01:35 <dihedral> especially the one about the undo button (yet again) 20:01:41 <Wolf01> I have an idea!!!! a bridge with slopes going upwards! \____/ <- it should be really useless!!! 20:01:42 <petern> Rubidium, what is? 20:01:43 <AgentLeMan> dihedral, you certainly are right in the meaning of "i didnt read it fully yet" 20:02:03 <Rubidium> being totally stupid and/or annoying 20:02:15 <petern> ah... is he at again? 20:02:32 <dihedral> he was at it with the "or annoying" 20:02:36 <dihedral> sorry ;-) 20:03:23 <Rubidium> dihedral: if you're referencing the suggestions forum, then I've not seen it 20:03:50 <dihedral> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=41315 20:04:39 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r14923 /branches/noai/projects/ (openttd_vs80.vcproj openttd_vs90.vcproj): [NoAI] -Fix (r14917): somebody forgot to update MSVC project files :) 20:09:56 <AgentLeMan> im just lobbed at now, im sure, but... can a .diff be transformed into a .grf? 20:10:06 <AgentLeMan> +being 20:10:29 <AgentLeMan> so i wouldnt have to recompile 20:10:32 <dihedral> AgentLeMan, what is a .diff? 20:10:41 <dihedral> can you open it in your text editor? 20:10:52 <dihedral> and what does it say? 20:11:09 <dihedral> it changes the code _before_ you compile it and get your binary out of that 20:11:15 <dihedral> now what is a grf? 20:11:20 <dihedral> hint hint: google :-P 20:11:34 <glx> grf don't change code 20:11:41 <glx> only behaviour 20:12:20 <AgentLeMan> okay. 20:13:00 <petern> http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=LbittLn84cY 20:18:32 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.124] has joined #openttd 20:18:56 <AgentLeMan> Wolf01: i found a use for your idea ;oP \__=__/ where the = is a track that crosses that bridge, so the brigde becomes somewhat of an airborne tunnel 20:19:27 <petern> 1923 and no competitors :( 20:20:54 <Wolf01> ehm, AgentLeMan, was meaning to build that bridge between two mountains, but I think you didn't find the joke 20:21:30 <AgentLeMan> Wolf01, actually... just disguising meself as dumb jester, doesnt MAKE me one °winks° 20:22:00 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 20:22:09 <AgentLeMan> so, yes, i fully understood, what you meant 20:22:36 <Wolf01> which is useless because you can already build it 20:23:20 <AgentLeMan> Wolf01: at the same heightlevel? which was, what my silly drawing meant 20:23:47 <Wolf01> \ / 20:23:53 <Wolf01> \____/ 20:23:58 <Wolf01> \ / 20:24:29 <Wolf01> the bridgeheads don't need to go upwards 20:24:54 <AgentLeMan> °nods° 20:25:14 <AgentLeMan> im not that good at describing things with ASCII-art 20:25:40 *** Moodles [Tallarines@60-242-71-35.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:25:41 <glx> ascii-art doesn't work with the font I use 20:26:15 <Wolf01> change font, irc was made for ascii art :D 20:29:39 *** Moodles [Tallarines@60-242-71-35.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 20:29:40 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-14-72-109.glfd.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 20:31:13 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.124] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:31:24 <dihedral> glx, change your font? 20:31:50 <glx> I'm happy with it (wide unicode ranges) 20:32:12 <AgentLeMan> and i read "unicorn" °chuckles° 20:32:42 <dihedral> ah - also good 20:34:25 <AgentLeMan> °waves to Antdovu, winking° 20:35:06 <TrueBrain> no gay stuff here please 20:35:25 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 20:35:25 <glx> it is not msn 20:35:48 *** Guest528 is now known as SmatZ 20:36:58 *** mortal is now known as Guest676 20:37:00 *** mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 20:37:21 <dihedral> SmatZ, :-) 20:37:24 <dihedral> i missed you 20:37:44 <dihedral> did he not just sign in? 20:37:48 * dihedral slaps the bouncer 20:39:11 *** mortal is now known as Guest678 20:39:13 *** mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 20:39:44 <AgentLeMan> sorry, TrueBrain, but °grins° 112 people, mostly men, sitting in a small room without windows or ventilation and you say "no gay stuff here please" ? ;o)) 20:39:58 <TrueBrain> enough windows here 20:40:00 <TrueBrain> don't you worry 20:40:23 <dihedral> yep - just about to say 20:40:26 <dihedral> more than enough windows 20:40:39 *** Guest676 [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:41:07 <dihedral> and i assume with "mostly" you are just taking the bot's into account right? 20:41:49 <petern> hmm 20:42:12 <AgentLeMan> dihedral, there are bots here? °looks around° 20:43:05 <petern> oh well, no reply 20:43:17 <SmatZ> hello dihedral :-) 20:43:23 <SmatZ> yeah, was the BNC broken? 20:43:26 <dihedral> what is it petern? 20:43:32 <dihedral> SmatZ, nope 20:43:37 <dihedral> but nice to see you :-) 20:43:44 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:43:45 <SmatZ> same here :) 20:43:56 <petern> dihedral, from the friendreunited friend 20:44:07 *** helb_ is now known as helb 20:44:18 <dihedral> s/b/p/ 20:45:38 *** Guest678 [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:55:42 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-65-34-177-131.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:55:58 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 20:56:19 <AgentLeMan> hello Nite_Owl 20:56:28 <TrueBrain> hi Nite_Owl :) 20:57:00 <Nite_Owl> Hello AgentLeMan and TrueBrain 20:58:19 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:58:22 <petern> pomiedom 20:58:36 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 20:58:54 <TrueBrain> I have to agree with other people, a synced cargodest can be useful :) 20:59:03 <petern> it would be 20:59:05 <dihedral> :-) 20:59:07 <dihedral> yep 20:59:14 <Aali> this is your lucky day 20:59:16 <petern> but i'm using windows at the moment 20:59:38 <petern> and, er, playing a game for once 20:59:44 <dihedral> :-) 20:59:46 <Aali> it loads old savegames without problems, haven't really tried anything else 20:59:50 <dihedral> that's a change petern 20:59:51 <TrueBrain> which game? :) 21:00:09 <dihedral> what's still needing work in cargodest? 21:00:12 <petern> on my r14922 server! 21:00:17 <Aali> is there a cargodest test scenario or whatever? 21:00:23 <TrueBrain> petern: ah ;) 21:01:03 <TrueBrain> I now finally have an idea to setup a good cargodest pax system ... lets see if it makes profit :p 21:02:50 <Aali> oh, not all of the quick goto patch made it into trunk :( 21:03:50 <Aali> the goto button isn't persistent like it should be 21:05:25 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5F28E.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:05:42 <dihedral> in which way? 21:06:48 <Aali> it used to stay active after you created an order 21:07:37 <Aali> could be that I haven't activated the setting though :D 21:07:59 <Aali> ctrl-click for full load worked though 21:08:06 <dihedral> Aali, you are inconsistent in your tests 21:08:06 <Aali> is that intended? 21:09:44 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.124] has joined #openttd 21:11:29 <AgentLeMan> __________ this is. ;o) 21:13:24 <TrueBrain> damn, out of money ... 21:13:28 <TrueBrain> starting with maglev is a BAD idea 21:13:32 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r14924 /trunk/src/depot_gui.cpp: -Fix (r7403): Do not unnecessarily reset the cursor, when a different vehicle is dragged. 21:14:06 <TrueBrain> make 3 poinds profit a year 21:14:08 <TrueBrain> this is not going to work :p 21:14:17 <AgentLeMan> TrueBrain, testing it with vehicles may have worked better, yes 21:14:23 <AgentLeMan> or.. at least cheaper 21:14:30 <TrueBrain> who talked about testing? 21:15:06 <AgentLeMan> oh... i thought... well.. you wrote "lets see, if..." 21:15:20 *** Monkeyman1 [~Monkeyman@163-83.3-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 21:15:22 <Monkeyman1> hi 21:15:51 <TrueBrain> hi Monkeyman1 :) 21:15:55 <AgentLeMan> hi Monkeyman1 °grins, reminded of a certain episode of "two and a half men" 21:16:31 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r14925 /trunk/src/ (group_gui.cpp group_gui.h vehicle.cpp): -Fix [FS#2500]: Abort dragging of vehicles in the group window when they are deleted. 21:19:56 <TrueBrain> and cargodest fucks up again ... 21:20:00 <TrueBrain> 'going via unknown station' 21:20:05 <TrueBrain> I just changed orders of a train!!!! 21:20:06 <TrueBrain> :'( 21:20:54 <Aali> anyway, the merge is bundled up and ready, where do you want it? 21:21:15 <Monkeyman1> is anyone familiar with Mac OS X here? 21:22:33 <Monkeyman1> I compiled a version of pngcodec for mac with xcode as a C++ Command Line Executable... However how to do I use it, (how do I pass arguemnts to it from the terminal window...?) 21:25:54 *** Bennythen00b [~Bennythen@40.81-166-86.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008120122]] 21:26:49 <Aali> TrueBrain 21:28:29 <TrueBrain> Aali 21:28:42 <Aali> see above 21:29:06 <TrueBrain> I rather see below 21:29:09 <Belugas> roof? 21:29:12 <Belugas> feet? 21:29:33 <TrueBrain> a bit higher Belugas ;) 21:29:43 <Belugas> ho... you' 21:29:48 <Belugas> re peeing? 21:30:01 <TrueBrain> ieuw 21:30:01 <TrueBrain> :p 21:31:12 <Belugas> hehehe 21:31:18 <Belugas> you lead me to it ;) 21:32:33 *** grumbel [~grumbel@i577AE0FA.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 21:33:34 <Aali> fine, I'll just keep the merge for myself then :P 21:34:29 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:34:30 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 21:37:39 <joachim> what did you merge 21:38:00 <TrueBrain> do you really want to know :P 21:38:24 <joachim> if you really wanted to know, i'd look above 21:38:30 <joachim> just making conversation :) 21:38:33 <Belugas> roof? 21:38:38 <joachim> if i* 21:38:41 <Aali> joachim: cargodest with r14919 21:38:53 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [] 21:39:15 <TrueBrain> damn, I am bored 21:40:00 <joachim> ok, cool 21:40:04 <Zuu> Aali: That is awsome, how bad all devs seams busy playing (peter_n and true brain) 21:40:33 <joachim> i found a cargodest with timetables, distant joint stations, daylength, etc., but only a win binary 21:40:45 <Belugas> joachim, if i* does not compile. it should at least be if (i*) .. or else.. 21:40:55 <joachim> ;) 21:41:09 <TrueBrain> you are so right Belugas 21:41:40 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aeje94.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 21:41:43 <joachim> i'll use sed from now of 21:41:47 <Aali> Zuu: it's too bad Celestar is not around to do his work :P 21:41:52 <Belugas> hehehe 21:42:18 <Belugas> "his work" ?? 21:42:30 <Belugas> sounds like we hired him :S 21:42:43 <Belugas> or that he is BOUND to do it 21:42:46 <Belugas> or FORCED 21:42:52 <Belugas> or CHAINED 21:42:54 <Belugas> or... 21:42:56 <Belugas> bllaaaaaaaq 21:42:59 * Belugas is tired 21:43:17 <TrueBrain> poor Belugas :) 21:43:30 <Aali> you should CHAIN him to a computer and FORCE him to finish cargodest :( 21:43:42 <Belugas> ouin... je suis pneu 21:44:13 * Prof_Frink inflates Belugas 21:44:35 <Belugas> sonme say i'm already full of air ^_^ 21:44:51 <Belugas> ou que je manque pas d'air, justement ^_^ 21:45:12 <Zuu> Belugas: Is that French? 21:45:17 * Prof_Frink sends Belugas some pretty bubbles: http://www.skipweasel.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/freezebubbles/album/index.html 21:45:27 <Belugas> yup yup 21:45:43 <TrueBrain> nice :) 21:45:51 *** Belugas was kicked from #openttd by Belugas [ENGLISH ONLY!] 21:46:01 *** Belugas [~belugas@xbl.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 21:46:02 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 21:46:06 <joachim> hehe 21:46:28 <Zuu> I'm happy I went to British Colombia where French is not that dominating, just only on every item sold in a shop. :) 21:46:31 <joachim> setting an example... good 21:47:07 * Zuu knows NULL French 21:47:10 <Belugas> yeah, you're more likely to ear english and chinese in BC :) 21:47:45 <Zuu> One of my friends that was with me called Vancouver "Vongkong" because of all the Asians there. :) 21:48:29 <Prof_Frink> Zuu: I know "biere". That's enough. 21:48:41 <Zuu> Prof_Frink: :D 21:49:02 <Prof_Frink> Everything else can be done with pointing, hand signals and speaking english slowly and loudly. 21:49:11 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r14926 /trunk/src/ (engine.cpp engine_func.h newgrf.cpp): -Feature: Automatically set last engine ageing year to the last 'introduction year plus half model life', to allow engines later than 2050 to appear. 21:49:25 <joachim> starting out with a few french words helps 21:49:26 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 21:49:26 *** ecke [~ecke@xbl.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [] 21:49:30 <Belugas> Zuu, it's very appropriate indeed :) 21:50:31 <petern> egrvts works properly now 21:51:10 *** AgentLeMan [~AgentLeMa@BAF7ce4.baf.pppool.de] has left #openttd [] 21:51:38 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.124] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:51:53 <Belugas> Zuu, it's also called HonkOuver, still on the same idea 21:52:23 <Zuu> Okay :) 21:52:31 <DaleStan> petern: Might that cause problems with vehicles with an early intro date (eg PlaneSet's 747 EUD, around 1980) and a 255 model life (which would expire in 2235) combined with another GRF that introduces a vehicle, also with a 255 life, sometime in 2110 or later? 21:52:43 <DaleStan> Or do you special case 255 to mean never-expire? 21:53:16 <DaleStan> (2110+255/2 > 1980+255) 21:53:28 *** ecke [~ecke@xbl.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 21:53:28 *** ecke [~ecke@xbl.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [] 21:53:55 <frosch123> 255 is a special case since a month or so 21:54:32 <petern> DaleStan, then the 747 would disappear 21:54:54 <petern> or 21:55:27 <petern> well, i don't know 21:55:37 <petern> if 255 is a special case then it will stay i guess 21:56:29 <frosch123> trouble is only when a grf does not use 255, but a smaller value which is not reached before 2050 21:58:56 <petern> then it would expire 21:59:00 <petern> which is correct 21:59:02 <petern> because it's not 255 22:00:33 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.124] has joined #openttd 22:01:13 <Nite_Owl> so if a vehicle is introduced in 1950 with a life of 20 years then how long will it last - still 1970? or is ageing year different then expire year? 22:02:07 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E105.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:02:14 <frosch123> Nite_Owl: http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=Action0General 22:02:30 <petern> model life of the 747 EUD is 25 years anyway 22:03:23 <DaleStan> Oh. I thought it was 255. It's been a while, I guess. 22:03:24 <petern> well anyway, with planeset loaded, it still stops at 2050 22:05:56 *** sigmund [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 22:06:24 <Belugas> Zuu, unneeded change in you fliter_sign_list patch : newgrf_text.h 22:06:51 <Zuu> hmm, how did that file come into my patch... 22:07:42 <Belugas> mmmh 22:07:45 <Belugas> + this->SetFocusedWidget(2); 22:07:46 *** sigmund_ [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:07:49 <Belugas> + this->SetFocusedWidget(NGWW_CLIENT); 22:07:52 <Belugas> o_O 22:07:56 <Belugas> two standards? 22:07:59 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.160.98] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:08:06 <Nite_Owl> frosch123: Thank you - makes sense now 22:08:33 <Belugas> or... 22:10:11 *** WhiteRhino [White@modem179.tmlp.net] has joined #openttd 22:10:24 <WhiteRhino> Evening, folks. 22:10:35 <TrueBrain> oh no, not him again :( 22:10:41 <WhiteRhino> Geeze. =/ 22:10:45 <TrueBrain> :p 22:11:43 <WhiteRhino> Imma name a train after you and crash it. =P 22:11:54 <TrueBrain> Imma? 22:11:57 <TrueBrain> is that your name? 22:11:58 <WhiteRhino> I'm-a 22:12:26 <TrueBrain> then write it as such 22:12:54 <Belugas> nVIDIA is shit :( 22:13:00 <TrueBrain> Intel is shit 22:13:26 <Belugas> i want my windows to popup in each screen but my taskbar spread across both 22:13:37 <Belugas> i used to have that with my old card 22:13:43 <Belugas> stupid change :( 22:13:55 <Zuu> Belugas: Do you need me to comment the SetFocusedWidget calls? Had a look on the one that uses widget 2, as a enum might have been created since I wrote the patch but could not find it. 22:14:00 <Belugas> yeah, TrueBrain. I agree. That is why i only use AMD :) 22:14:24 <Belugas> Zuu, yeah, that' what I have under my eyes :) 22:14:42 <Zuu> Belugas: I use a third party task bar on my secondary screen in Windows. 22:14:44 <TrueBrain> Belugas: I meant the Intel Video Chipset :p 22:14:48 <TrueBrain> worse than nVidia : 22:15:13 <glx> ATI/AMD sucks for some games 22:15:18 <petern> Imma == I am going to? 22:15:51 <Zuu> petern: how does the second m become 'going'? 22:15:57 <glx> as most games are meant to be played on nVidia cards 22:16:11 <petern> Zuu: how does "I'm-a name a train..." make sense? 22:17:37 <WhiteRhino> Bah. >.> 22:17:44 <Zuu> petern: Good question. Your guess is then not that bad, concidered the trend to type with less and less characters and think that the receiver will have no problem to read it. 22:18:51 <petern> on the other hand 22:18:56 <joachim> Imma sounds like a "would of/should of" thing 22:19:02 <Prof_Frink> petern: Nope, "Imma" means "I am an idiot and I am going to". 22:19:17 <TrueBrain> I still think it is a girls name 22:19:21 <petern> bread once sang 'baby i'm a want you' 22:19:25 <joachim> Emma? 22:19:38 <Prof_Frink> Dave? 22:19:39 <petern> # baby i'm a need you 22:19:41 <glx> Peel ? 22:19:44 <joachim> George? 22:19:44 <petern> # maybe i'm a crazy 22:19:49 <Zuu> "Emma, name a train" 22:19:56 <petern> that last one works, i suppose... 22:20:08 <joachim> Zuu: that could of been it 22:20:15 <George> joachim: What? 22:20:18 <petern> of is not 've 22:20:18 <Prof_Frink> s/of/have/ 22:20:27 <Prof_Frink> petern: Great minds. 22:20:41 <joachim> petern: see like 10 lines up from that :) 22:21:21 <WhiteRhino> Some days a person just wishes they'd stayed in bed. =P 22:21:38 <Prof_Frink> WhiteRhino: Those are called "weekdays". 22:22:09 <petern> joachim, you just pointed out 3 violations! 22:22:26 <joachim> i no 22:22:31 <petern> where's my ban-hammer 22:22:36 <joachim> hehe 22:22:57 *** mode/#openttd [+o petern] by ChanServ 22:23:04 <TrueBrain> I no? Or I know? 22:23:41 <joachim> you don't know no irony, that's for sure 22:24:07 <TrueBrain> I no 22:24:22 <Monkeyman1> hello again, I just managed to get my building into OpenTTD... which I am very happy about, however when it draws it sometimes this happens http://img149.imageshack.us/my.php?image=brokensa7.png and sometimes it renderes perfectly fine 22:24:25 <joachim> :) 22:24:32 <Prof_Frink> joachim: irony: ferrous. 22:24:58 *** tom0004 [~Tom@92.4.96.177] has quit [Quit: http://www.chogie.eu] 22:24:59 <joachim> defined! 22:25:31 <glx> Monkeyman1: then you failed somewhere 22:26:10 <Monkeyman1> glx, any ideas of where? because I did the exact say procedure as before and those all worked 22:26:30 <joachim> unless that is his building 22:27:03 <Monkeyman1> same* 22:27:05 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ff278.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:27:16 <Monkeyman1> joachim, what do you mean? 22:27:31 <joachim> sorry, wasn't being constructive 22:28:37 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 22:30:35 <Monkeyman1> I figured it out I just moved the building +1x and -1y 22:30:47 <Monkeyman1> I guess it was partially on the other tile... 22:33:26 *** mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Checking whether build environment is sane ... build environment is grinning and holding a spatula. Guess not.] 22:34:07 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: belugas * r14927 /trunk/src/network/network_chat_gui.cpp: -Codechange: constify widget numbers in network chat gui. 22:34:14 <Belugas> Zuu! Update!! 22:35:59 <Zuu> Yea I'm working... 22:36:45 <Zuu> Ah, you did that commit too.. I need to work harder, just uploading the removal of that grf file.. :) 22:38:02 <Zuu> I bet you have another commit when I'm back and have just fixed that too ;-) 22:38:08 <Belugas> naaaaa 22:38:14 <Belugas> i'm about to go home 22:38:21 <Zuu> Phew :-D 22:38:22 <Belugas> there is very little i can do from here 22:38:38 <Belugas> i've got no compiler in C? 22:38:42 <Belugas> -? 22:38:45 <Belugas> ++ 22:38:47 <Belugas> +++ 22:39:13 <Zuu> ah, thats a problem indeed. 22:40:28 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 22:40:36 <Belugas> and aat home, it's wife and kid, which mean eve less time ^_^ 22:40:42 <SmatZ> :-) 22:40:51 <petern> murder them all 22:41:08 <glx> but keep the lovely cat ;) 22:41:10 <Belugas> and just keep kitty ;) 22:41:13 <Belugas> yeah! 22:41:16 <Rubidium> night Belugas 22:41:18 <SmatZ> :-) 22:41:25 <Belugas> bye boys! 22:41:31 <SmatZ> bye bye Belugas 22:41:43 <Zuu> bye Belugas 22:42:21 <Nite_Owl> later Belugas 22:42:35 <Sacro> 'New Task Bar? Do the words "Titanic" and "rearranging the deckchairs" come to mind here?' 22:43:17 <petern> people hate change 22:43:44 <Rubidium> then why are they demanding so much change? 22:44:11 <petern> they demand OTTD 2 22:45:13 <Rubidium> if they would demand TTDPatch 2.5 or OpenTTD 0.7 I could imagine it, but OTTD 2? 22:45:14 <glx> we don't even have OTTD 1 22:45:41 <Rubidium> that's like asking for Windows 9 22:45:50 <Aali> I heard OTTD 2 has ALL the patches 22:45:53 <Aali> must be great 22:46:08 <glx> must be unusable 22:46:14 <joachim> after death-ottd 22:46:17 <Rubidium> ... pile of unmaintainable and unstable crap 22:46:22 <joachim> too good for humans to understand 22:46:37 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:46:38 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 22:46:49 <Aali> oh and it has ALL the grfs too 22:47:08 <joachim> is there a release plan for 1.0, for what it will have? or do you just go along? 22:47:08 <Aali> I don't see why you guys didn't think of that! 22:47:25 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: I can't find where the certificate is stored ... :( 22:47:28 <petern> poor pikkabird 22:47:36 <Rubidium> /etc/ssl/private ? 22:47:57 <TrueBrain> oh wait 22:47:58 <TrueBrain> i remember 22:48:08 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008120122]] 22:48:21 <Rubidium> joachim: try the wiki 22:48:40 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: would you be so kind to restart lighttpd? 22:48:51 <Rubidium> why me? 22:48:59 <TrueBrain> (I don't know if you still have it attached to valgrind 22:49:02 <Rubidium> nope 22:49:07 <Rubidium> just the init.d one 22:49:52 <TrueBrain> hmm .. something went wrong ... secure.openttd.org is no longer under the certificate :s 22:50:37 <petern> wrong ca cert? 22:50:48 <TrueBrain> they keep track of ours 22:50:49 <Rubidium> rather a wrong request 22:51:02 <petern> i mean theirs 22:51:07 <petern> the intermediate ca cert 22:51:14 *** Ctibor [~ctibor@77.48.228.43] has quit [Quit: sleeep] 22:51:18 <joachim> Rubidium: thanks 22:51:34 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: it was cacert we went for in the end, not? 22:51:39 <Rubidium> yes 22:52:00 <TrueBrain> secure.openttd.org is the common name .. 22:54:23 <TrueBrain> k, fixed 22:54:44 <TrueBrain> just genrated a new private key, and re-requested the certificate :p 22:54:51 *** fjb [~frank@p5485D5A8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:54:57 <fjb> Hello 22:55:19 <Zuu> ello 22:55:26 <Rubidium> llo 22:55:43 <joachim> lo 22:56:02 <Aali> o 22:56:04 <Zuu> The chain succeeded :) 22:56:45 <petern> dooo 22:56:51 <petern> do de do do de do do de dum 22:56:52 *** Tim [~Administr@p5B37E107.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:57:10 <Zuu> or should there be someone posting a white space in the end? 22:58:16 <joachim> you ruined it... 22:58:41 <joachim> fjb: t-dialin = dialup? 22:58:54 <petern> the chain does not ruin anything 22:58:59 <fjb> joachim: DSL 22:59:04 <joachim> ok 22:59:08 <petern> espcially *that* bit 23:00:40 <fjb> What are we playing today? Moving ascii arts? 23:02:04 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truebrain * r14928 /branches/noai/src/ai/api/ai_types.hpp: [NoAI] -Fix: stfu stupid MSVC, a class is a struct and visa versa .. grr ... /me bitch-slaps MSVC around 23:02:31 <joachim> ^^ 23:02:40 *** AgentLeMan [~AgentLeMa@BAF7ce4.baf.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 23:02:54 <Rubidium> joachim: search the logs for MSVC... 23:03:24 <joachim> i just didn't know people coded in MSVC 23:03:34 * Zuu think he has got biten by the MSVC having problem of using struct Something; as a advance declaration for a class. 23:03:48 <TrueBrain> we don't :) 23:04:07 <Rubidium> we just compile the windows binaries with it 23:04:12 <joachim> ah... 23:04:43 <Rubidium> @calc 15000/250 23:04:43 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: 60 23:05:01 <Rubidium> so 1 in 60 commits is because MSVC fracked something up 23:05:19 <Rubidium> or caused a frack up 23:05:23 <joachim> sounds plausible... :) 23:05:58 *** Mark_ [~M4rk@5351EC68.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:08:34 <glx> sometimes MSVC warns for good reasons though 23:08:50 <glx> (but it's very rare) 23:09:24 <joachim> sometimes a serial killer helps an old lady cross the street. 23:10:21 <joachim> (i think) 23:10:39 <TrueBrain> LOL! 23:10:42 <TrueBrain> what a comparising .. 23:12:23 <Aali> MSVC has been getting better with time though 23:12:31 <AgentLeMan> old lady = serial killer killer.. after all, most of them go after young "ladies" 23:13:15 <AgentLeMan> °remembers old ladies in GTA defending against you with shopping bags° 23:13:43 <Aali> a few years ago you could make the compiler crash just by using one too many floating point variables in the same block of code :/ 23:13:44 *** rangaparmastan [~ohm@84.78.128.255] has joined #openttd 23:14:56 <edeca> Aali: -WTOO_MANY_NUMBERZ! 23:15:11 <AgentLeMan> compiler = serial killer, too many floating points = bags on flailing arms 23:15:39 <edeca> I mean, crikey, x86 only has a finite number of registers, how else should it support more than 6 floating point numbers? ;) 23:15:45 *** OwenS [~OwenS@host86-128-252-186.range86-128.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:16:04 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 23:16:55 <TrueBrain> we call that a stack 23:16:56 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g228022003.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Rhabarberbarbarabarbarbarenbartbarbierbierbar] 23:17:36 *** Monkeyman1 [~Monkeyman@163-83.3-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:18:02 <edeca> TrueBrain: </irony> 23:18:11 <Rubidium> can't the floating point numbers not float between the registers or so? 23:19:03 *** ecke [~ecke@xbl.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 23:19:35 <petern> how would you know what the point was? 23:20:29 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:20:29 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 23:21:09 <Rubidium> it's where the surface and the number intersect 23:23:13 *** AgentLeMan [~AgentLeMa@BAF7ce4.baf.pppool.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:23:49 <TrueBrain> why is it so hard to find good open source games? 23:23:59 <TrueBrain> a nice space trade game .. all there are just suck :( 23:24:59 <Zuu> TrueBrain: xjump/sdljump/gnujump <3 23:25:08 * FauxFaux hurts Zuu. 23:25:22 <FauxFaux> TrueBrain: I expect it's because it's a lot harder to write games than people think. :p 23:25:32 <TrueBrain> damn, forgot that name of that cool singleplayer hack thingy .. 23:26:19 * Zuu says ouch! 23:26:35 <TrueBrain> old .. simplicitic ... 23:26:40 <TrueBrain> damn .. what was the name of that game :( 23:26:48 <Rubidium> tron? 23:27:02 <TrueBrain> no 23:27:06 <Nite_Owl> Pong 23:27:10 <TrueBrain> neither System Shock 23:27:26 <TrueBrain> they tried making it into a multiplayer game, which failed :p 23:27:35 <TrueBrain> nono, a hack game you twat :p 23:28:00 <TrueBrain> Uplink! 23:29:03 <TrueBrain> that was a nice game :) 23:29:10 <TrueBrain> but ... nobody ever makes such games in open source land 23:29:16 <TrueBrain> well .. not ones worth writing about 23:30:55 <joachim> at least there is a linux release 23:32:21 <Wolf01> 'night 23:32:27 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host205-174-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 23:32:32 <joachim> i think an open source remake project of that is possible 23:33:01 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:33:08 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 23:33:23 <Eddi|zuHause> speaking of spae games... what happened to this master of orion clone? 23:33:35 <TrueBrain> joachim: the game itself is outdated 23:33:51 *** einKarl [~einKarl@91-66-180-201-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:33:51 <joachim> the concept? 23:34:10 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-65-34-177-131.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 23:34:30 <TrueBrain> even that, yes 23:34:43 <TrueBrain> you need something new to make something cool out of it :) 23:35:19 <joachim> maybe, i think the idea of hacking by typing draws a certain amount of gamers... 23:36:14 <joachim> but for a start, the game is very straight-forward programming-wise, so a clone could be done 23:36:46 <TrueBrain> I believe there is one, yes 23:36:53 <joachim> oh, there is one? 23:37:06 <TrueBrain> I Read some chatter about that 23:37:15 <TrueBrain> or you are so bored you want to pick that up? :) 23:37:28 <TrueBrain> as then I have a completely different project (a clone of a game) which needs input ;) 23:37:35 <joachim> :) 23:39:18 <Zuu> TrueBrain: What game, a girlish barbie game? <--- I think I'm tired :) 23:39:39 <TrueBrain> :) 23:39:41 <TrueBrain> hehe 23:42:51 *** WhiteRhino [White@modem179.tmlp.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:44:47 <Zuu> Good night all 23:44:56 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-53f3e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:55:10 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]