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07:34:14 *** Ridayah [~ridayah@173-19-228-199.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:35:13 <petern> just like windows really 07:43:03 *** energetic [~opera@ip82-139-119-221.lijbrandt.net] has joined #openttd 07:47:52 <dihedral> yuck :-P 07:56:00 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@216-165-16-115.DYNAPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 07:59:45 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@216-165-16-115.DYNAPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [] 08:00:45 *** Lisby [~Lisby@nat-adm.tnb.aau.dk] has joined #openttd 08:02:59 * petern mumbles 08:07:42 * dihedral pats petern on the head 08:19:06 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:21:52 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 08:22:58 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:27:34 *** Timitry [83dc24f1@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 08:31:53 <planetmaker> good morning 08:32:28 <Timitry> morning 08:36:09 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B523.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:40:18 *** Spoons [faux@molotov.compsoc.warwick.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 08:41:39 *** Yeggstry is now known as Yeggs-work 09:01:48 *** smallfly [~smallfly@p578F1B4F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:02:55 *** kd5pbo [~kd5pbo@136.242.109.174] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:05:50 <dihedral> morning pm 09:06:22 <planetmaker> moin dihedral 09:06:26 <Forked> Goooood morning openttd community 09:06:37 <dihedral> good morning Forked :-P 09:06:44 <planetmaker> g'morning Forked 09:06:54 <Forked> now that it's a good morning, but at least it's morning :\ 09:07:08 <dihedral> not or now? 09:07:28 <Forked> not that it's a good day for spelling things either :7 09:09:13 <planetmaker> hehe 09:12:53 <dihedral> pm > http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=31823&p=764221#p764221 09:12:55 <dihedral> :-D 09:13:52 <planetmaker> lol 09:14:12 <planetmaker> quite accurate, if you ask me :P 09:14:13 <dihedral> perhaps i should add: 'i am just a flourist, selling flowers others cut down for me, and telling people how best to take care of their purchased flowers' 09:14:14 * Forked takes a dump in mentioned garden 09:14:17 <Forked> ..to make stuff grow better! 09:15:35 <dihedral> Forked, did you parents help you grow that way too? :-P 09:16:12 <Forked> fed me mcdonalds food :\ 09:16:15 <Forked> so pretty much, yep :p 09:16:23 <dihedral> hihi 09:16:43 <Forked> joke though, I have excellent parents :) 09:17:55 <dihedral> awe 09:24:08 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 09:32:04 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:39:40 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 09:43:16 *** mikl [~mikl@80.199.116.190.static.peytz.dk] has joined #openttd 09:44:47 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: just register as translator :) 09:45:19 <planetmaker> I think it doesn't hurt. And if there are more people who occasionally fix a small thing, chances are much higher that the language will be up to date :) 09:45:54 <planetmaker> And logging into the translator screen, fixing a single string or two - no big deal and not much one has to learn actually. 09:48:41 <planetmaker> Doesn't take more time than posting it in the forums actually. So... come on :) 09:51:43 <dihedral> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=764223#p764223 <- hehe 09:52:10 <dihedral> "if you have two apples, and someone gives you another one, how many apples do you have?" <- does not work with "carrot" 09:53:09 <planetmaker> well... just don't start another flame war... 09:53:31 <TrueBrain> that sounds like a good plan indeed ;) 09:53:44 <planetmaker> hi TrueBrain :) 09:53:48 <TrueBrain> hi planetmaker 09:54:39 <dihedral> planetmaker, i was thinking about replying, but i will not 09:54:47 <dihedral> i'll let others do that if they feel like it :-P 09:54:49 <planetmaker> good :) 09:54:58 <TrueBrain> not replying at all seems a better method 09:55:05 <dihedral> i've had my fun already 09:55:18 <planetmaker> yep, more often than not, TrueBrain :) 09:55:24 <dihedral> i am quite chuffed of my post anyway :-D 09:55:39 <TrueBrain> I have to admit, yours was funny dihedral :p 09:55:44 <TrueBrain> but clearly he doesn't get it .. 09:55:53 <planetmaker> nope, he doesn't :P 09:56:03 <planetmaker> but that's his problem then. 09:56:13 <TrueBrain> some people, which did not yet reach the right age, don't know when to just stop talking ;) 09:56:19 <planetmaker> Most people will get it - and that's what's more important: the audience :) 09:57:02 <TrueBrain> whoho, WrightAI is downloaded 1000+ times on BaNaNaS! :) 09:57:22 <dihedral> i also love the "are you comparing apples with carrot?" 09:57:26 <petern> opengfx got downloaded about 30 times by me testing it :p 09:57:30 <dihedral> sure - i compare a bunch of apples with a single carrot :-D 09:57:39 * TrueBrain substracts 30 from the download number ... :p 09:57:46 <dihedral> -10 09:57:47 <dihedral> :-D 09:58:36 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: last time I looked it hadn't reached 1000 yet 09:58:43 <dihedral> 1500+ 09:58:51 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: and now it did .. sigh .. 09:58:59 <TrueBrain> what kind of comment is that? :p 09:59:08 <planetmaker> :) It clutters the map with airports... :P 09:59:12 <Rubidium> only +13 since the last time I looked, which was like a few days ago 09:59:24 <TrueBrain> so? 1000+ is a nice number, me thinks 09:59:27 <TrueBrain> now stop spoiling the moment 09:59:35 <planetmaker> hehe 10:00:01 <planetmaker> I'm always amazed how often still 0.6.3 is downloaded on a daily basis... 10:00:22 <TrueBrain> people LOVE OpenTTD :) 10:00:36 <planetmaker> yep. which is good so :) 10:00:58 <planetmaker> well... I guess we wouldn't be talking here, if we didn't :P 10:01:50 <Rubidium> don't forget to add the ~250 downloads a day from SF ;) 10:02:02 <TrueBrain> SF sucks 10:02:10 <TrueBrain> (just a random comment) 10:02:18 <Rubidium> oh yes it does 10:02:42 <planetmaker> he. openttd on SF isn't on my radar screen :P 10:02:54 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.60.138.41] has joined #openttd 10:03:41 <petern> oh, we still put releases on sf? 10:04:33 <dihedral> petern, last time was about a year ago.... which still was 0.6.3 :-D 10:04:34 <Rubidium> petern: yeah, got a nice script that does most of the work 10:05:03 <planetmaker> he :) 10:05:12 <Rubidium> and then you have to manually add them all and I can't get bothered to set the OS/architecture/file type 10:05:15 <planetmaker> let computers do the work, if you can. Always a good plan 10:05:38 <petern> hmm 10:08:41 <Rubidium> and the number of downloads from SF dropped by a factor 8-10 10:11:21 <TrueBrain> and our outgoing bandwidth increased :p 10:11:32 <petern> i can mirror, you know :p 10:11:49 <TrueBrain> we can still grow 4 times our current size ;) 10:12:10 <planetmaker> :) 10:12:16 <petern> bandwidth costs me nothing, however 10:12:38 <TrueBrain> petern: but: 100 GiB space, rsync access, http/ftp read access, and I need the country it is located ;) 10:13:08 <dihedral> we dont have the disc space, but we have the bandwidth 10:13:34 <TrueBrain> oh, and if you want to mirror the private stuff, a seperate rsync access with no http/ftp read ;) (private stuff as in: svn backup) 10:15:23 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15455 /trunk/src/openttd.cpp: -Fix: font autodetection didn't occur when directly loading a game via e.g. -g. 10:15:38 <petern> /dev/md/3 427G 25G 381G 5.9 [ ] /home 10:15:40 <petern> hmm 10:25:29 *** mortal` [~mortal@217.60.138.41] has joined #openttd 10:26:53 <dihedral> TrueBrain, the questions would more be if you trusted us that much 10:27:05 <TrueBrain> dihedral: svn is public anyway 10:27:20 <dihedral> i thought some parts were not 10:27:51 <TrueBrain> svn is completely public 10:27:55 <TrueBrain> just no write access 10:28:01 <dihedral> duh! 10:28:05 <dihedral> of course not :-P 10:28:25 <dihedral> we can definately mirror that if you want 10:28:39 <dihedral> you could even use svnsync for that! 10:28:58 <TrueBrain> nope 10:29:03 <dihedral> why not? 10:29:15 <TrueBrain> and we have no interest in a private sync only .. 10:29:24 <petern> so yeah, my server is in the UK... 10:29:42 <dihedral> TrueBrain, what do you mean with a 'private' sync only? 10:30:03 <TrueBrain> dihedral: that I personally am more interested in binaries mirroring 10:30:10 <dihedral> ah 10:30:12 <dihedral> :-P 10:30:23 <petern> hmm, vservers don't have virtual drives, do they? 10:30:29 <dihedral> ...? 10:30:30 <petern> so i could set up a vserver... 10:30:35 <TrueBrain> petern: they do 10:30:39 <TrueBrain> but using LVM is easier 10:30:41 <petern> erm 10:30:58 <dihedral> depending on the virtualisation software, you can setup either 10:31:01 <petern> what i saw was more like a chroot filesystem 10:31:09 <petern> dihedral: vserver is a specific virtualisation software 10:31:18 <TrueBrain> very specific even ;) 10:31:21 <dihedral> :-) 10:31:39 <TrueBrain> petern: well, 'virtual' might be a bit much to call it, but you can enable hard quota on a drive which vserver obeys 10:31:44 <petern> yeah 10:31:45 <TrueBrain> but I only use LVM :) 10:31:59 <petern> what i mean is i don't need to allocate 100GB and then find only a small bit of it is used :p 10:32:15 *** el_en [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:32:16 <TrueBrain> just reduced the binaries from 21 GiB to 13 GiB .. lol :) 10:32:19 <petern> the filesystem would have to sit on my /home 10:32:26 <TrueBrain> petern: so quota ;) 10:32:37 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.60.138.41] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:33:12 <petern> *nod* 10:35:07 <dihedral> stables only :-P 10:35:45 <TrueBrain> every night it grows with 150 MiB, if there are no branches and such .. 10:36:10 <dihedral> stables onlyl and nightlies for the past week 10:36:56 <TrueBrain> a bit more is kept 10:38:23 <dihedral> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=764233#p764233 <- hihi 10:38:46 <dihedral> TrueBrain, but who sais it would have to be kept on the mirror? 10:38:48 <dihedral> :-P 10:38:52 <TrueBrain> I do 10:39:13 <dihedral> besides - how often does someone come along and download some 2 month old nightly 10:39:34 <TrueBrain> leave the policy decisions to us ;) 10:39:38 <Rubidium> dihedral: how often does someone come along and download a more than 1 week old nightly? 10:40:01 <dihedral> it would defeat the purpose 10:40:06 <dihedral> :-P 10:40:15 <Rubidium> hmm... let me guess... OpenTTDcoop starts a new map every few days, right? 10:40:38 <dihedral> dont know how often they have a new game 10:41:03 <petern> hmm, okay, a vserver guide that mentions woody... not good :p 10:41:04 <dihedral> that was never a part i really payed attention to :-P 10:41:10 <TrueBrain> petern: lol! 10:41:13 <dihedral> hihi 10:41:19 <dihedral> petern, better than potato :-P 10:41:42 <TrueBrain> dihedral: so can I suggest not to make any suggestions how long we should keep things around? :) 10:42:25 * petern ponders a name for the vserver 10:42:30 <TrueBrain> petern: 'openttd' 10:42:31 <TrueBrain> :p 10:42:39 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:42:52 *** mortal` [~mortal@217.60.138.41] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:43:10 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.60.138.41] has joined #openttd 10:43:37 <petern> --hostname --domain :o 10:43:47 <TrueBrain> weird domain name :p 10:43:54 <petern> hehe 10:44:06 <petern> does it matter what OS? if not i'll have etch on it 10:44:06 <dihedral> TrueBrain, please post suggestions to the suggestion forum :-D 10:44:13 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15456 /trunk/src/strgen/strgen.cpp: -Fix(ish): add strgen support to add 'directional formatting codes', so one can guide the bidirectional rendering a bit better. 10:44:28 <TrueBrain> petern: all I require is rsync access, and ftp/http read access :) 10:44:32 <petern> ok 10:44:38 <petern> hmm 10:44:44 <petern> ftp :o 10:44:53 <TrueBrain> mirrors in generally carry both, yes :) 10:44:54 <dihedral> the beauty of it 10:44:54 <petern> okay, it needs vserver for ftp ;p 10:45:36 <petern> although it's handy to keep it separate anyway 10:45:37 <TrueBrain> ftp://cz.binaries.openttd.org/openttd/binaries/ and http://cz.binaries.openttd.org/openttd/binaries/ 10:46:21 <petern> heh, debian and ubuntu mirror 10:46:32 <TrueBrain> the http just looks much more pretty!!! :) 10:49:19 <TrueBrain> petern: also a fedora mirror :p 10:49:20 <TrueBrain> lol 10:49:27 <Tefad> gentoo mirror? oh wait 10:52:11 <petern> what? 10:52:23 <Tefad> no binaries 10:52:35 <TrueBrain> damn, google is slow again .. 10:53:49 <petern> vserver openttd enter 10:53:50 <petern> root@openttd:/# 10:53:52 <petern> woo :D 10:53:57 <TrueBrain> concratz :p 10:54:21 <petern> do you need rsync over ssh or plain rsync? 10:55:03 <TrueBrain> over ssh please :) 10:55:09 <TrueBrain> let me find you the public key for it .. 10:57:51 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.60.138.41] has quit [Quit: from __future__ import antigravity] 10:59:19 <TrueBrain> I hate it when websites don't load, because a banner fails to load ... 11:01:51 *** lolman [~lolman@adsl-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 11:03:39 <petern> indeed 11:04:09 <TrueBrain> and google is failing on my more and more ... connection timeout, connection failure 11:04:12 <TrueBrain> sucks to be big :p 11:11:09 <fjb> Use ixquick :-) 11:13:55 <petern> argh 11:13:58 <petern> so many screens open ;( 11:14:06 <TrueBrain> close a few! 11:14:39 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 11:15:42 <petern> 26 :/ 11:17:30 *** [gone]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:17:30 *** Combuster is now known as [gone]buster 11:17:48 <petern> 4 now 11:18:21 <TrueBrain> lol, that is a nice cleanup ;) 11:21:51 *** smallfly [~smallfly@p578F1B4F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Would you like to know more?] 11:21:58 <fjb> Or get more virtual desktops. :-) 11:28:28 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.60.138.41] has joined #openttd 11:31:10 <petern> hmm, right 11:33:26 <planetmaker> [11:38] <Rubidium> hmm... let me guess... OpenTTDcoop starts a new map every few days, right? <-- well, on average I'd say once a week we start a new game 11:33:47 <planetmaker> so far we didn't have a problem with obtaining the nightly the server runs - at least not I know of :) 11:33:59 <planetmaker> But one week span might just be a tad too short 11:34:06 *** mortal` [~mortal@217.60.138.41] has joined #openttd 11:34:38 *** Mucht [~Martin@80.109.200.215] has joined #openttd 11:34:51 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: it is 60 days ;) 11:34:59 <planetmaker> that's certainly sufficient. 11:35:12 <planetmaker> If we don't finish a game in 60 days something is seriously flawed :P 11:35:12 <TrueBrain> (minimal value, mostly it is a bit longer) 11:35:32 <dihedral> so now you allow mirrors to only keep nightlies for 60 days? 11:35:48 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Quit: ecke] 11:35:56 <planetmaker> dihedral: mirror means to be a mirror - not a dump ;) 11:36:12 <dihedral> planetmaker, TrueBrain has his own vision ;-) 11:36:13 <petern> erm 11:36:24 <TrueBrain> no, planetmaker says it correct 11:36:24 <petern> the mirrors go back to 2004 ;p 11:36:43 <dihedral> planetmaker, also, when you stand a dump in front of the mirror ...... 11:36:45 <dihedral> :-P 11:37:00 <planetmaker> that's another issue. But the case when I do :P 11:37:18 <dihedral> the glass shatters 11:37:23 <planetmaker> having a shower before solves the issue ;) 11:37:29 <dihedral> LOL 11:37:33 <planetmaker> mirror becomes opaque :P 11:38:23 <planetmaker> or whatever. dued. 11:40:48 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 11:41:00 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.60.138.41] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:41:39 *** lolman [~lolman@adsl-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:44:17 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 11:52:55 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Quit: ecke] 11:53:37 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80F48.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:55:17 *** KillaloT [~killalot@0x5738c8af.rdnqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 11:55:30 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81010.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:55:33 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 11:59:48 *** davis- [~iloveme@p5B28CACC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:00:55 *** KillaloT [~killalot@0x5738c8af.rdnqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The dawn of a new IRC era] 12:03:01 *** lolman [~lolman@adsl-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 12:04:00 *** tokai|ni [~tokai@p54B81095.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:06:01 *** Spoons is now known as FauxFaux 12:06:22 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81010.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:18:52 *** Lisby [~Lisby@nat-adm.tnb.aau.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:23:30 *** smallfly [~smallfly@p578F1B4F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:27:49 <Swallow> Is there a way to change / fix base costs in a running game? 12:28:01 *** worldemar [~world@213.178.37.42] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:29:27 <Ammler> Swallow: over scenario edtior 12:29:47 <planetmaker> which is not exactly "running game"... 12:30:10 <Ammler> base costs are ugly anyway ;-) 12:31:17 <Swallow> I'm trying to get 2cc set to work in an old ttd scenario, but all my trains cost 500/year now :S 12:32:04 <planetmaker> Swallow: museum trains just stand around and don't cost. they rust. ;) 12:33:26 <Swallow> I'll go with cheap trains, the game isn't about money anyways 12:34:19 <Ammler> Swallow: load the game in the scenario editor 12:34:36 <Ammler> and change difficult settings 12:34:52 <Ammler> (not sure, if that is still needed) 12:35:50 <planetmaker> Swallow: did you set any parameters? 12:35:54 <Ammler> iirc, with save difficult settings, it changed the base costs, maybe that is possible in the game itself, too? 12:35:56 *** Mortal`` [~mortal@217.60.138.41] has joined #openttd 12:36:05 *** M4rk [~M4rk@5351EC68.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 12:36:10 *** M4rk is now known as Mark_ 12:36:30 <planetmaker> hm... which gives me the idea to make a (non network safe) entry in the advanced settings called "base costs" :) 12:36:56 <planetmaker> but first things first :P 12:38:31 <Ammler> fonts! 12:38:57 <Ammler> (or what was the first?) 12:39:19 <dihedral> fonts things first :-P 12:39:23 *** davis_ [~iloveme@p5B28E628.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:41:57 <planetmaker> indeed 12:42:07 *** worldemar [~world@62.106.104.246] has joined #openttd 12:42:10 <Ammler> imo, best would be, let newgrfs change basecosts only for itself and change "general" basecosts over advanced settings. 12:42:42 <planetmaker> which is a big change. And needs serious coding 12:42:59 *** mortal` [~mortal@217.60.138.41] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:43:13 <planetmaker> and needs guarding by yet another setting which enables this feature. 12:46:47 *** davis- [~iloveme@p5B28CACC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:47:11 *** Mortal`` [~mortal@217.60.138.41] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:49:12 *** Mortal`` [~mortal@217.60.138.41] has joined #openttd 12:49:24 *** smallfly [~smallfly@p578F1B4F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Want to be different? Try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-] 12:56:16 *** [gone]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:56:38 *** [gone]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 12:59:09 *** valhalla1w [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 13:00:27 <fjb> All the base cost changing grfs would be almost useless then. 13:00:40 <Ammler> that is ok, imo 13:00:47 <Ammler> I know around 3 13:01:46 *** StarLionIsaac [~isaac@user-514c0e82.l1.c5.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:01:58 <Ammler> I guess, pikka wouldn't worry about. 13:02:25 *** Mortal`` [~mortal@217.60.138.41] has quit [Quit: from __future__ import antigravity] 13:03:01 <fjb> But what would it really change? 13:03:31 <Rubidium> the difficulty in the first year 13:03:31 <planetmaker> basecost conflicts between deifferent vehicle sets 13:03:43 <planetmaker> :D And possibly that 13:06:10 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:06:12 <fjb> But even with the same base cost are the sets not ballanced. 13:06:23 <Ammler> it would make the base costs "transparenter", you don't have to look on every newgrf, which basecost it changes... 13:06:38 <petern> are you guys *still* going on about the stupid base costs? :o 13:06:40 <planetmaker> fjb: fair enough, yes 13:06:41 <fjb> It would be better to allow 16bit costs. 13:07:13 <petern> 16 or 32 bit. quite so. 13:07:15 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad87cd2.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:07:17 <Ammler> petern: we all go to remove them :-) 13:07:37 <petern> shame that callback results are 8 or 15 bit only :( 13:07:38 <planetmaker> fjb: probably true 13:07:39 <Ammler> at least for newgrfs 13:07:47 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad00e9c.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 13:08:12 <fjb> Isn't that in the new gtf proposal the frosch postet? 13:08:17 <petern> dunno 13:08:24 <planetmaker> petern: speaking in ignorance of the specs probably: newgrf version 9 :P 13:08:36 <Ammler> fjp, you would still have the problem with the old grfs 13:09:04 <fjb> Most vehicle grfs are under active development. 13:09:29 <fjb> At least the useful ones. 13:10:20 *** StarLionIsaac [~isaac@user-514c0e82.l1.c5.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Gone for an insanity break] 13:10:27 <fjb> And 16 or 32 bit costs would allow a better cost range inside the set as well. 13:10:51 <petern> fjb, no it's not in frosch's proposal 13:11:59 <fjb> Maybe it could be added. 13:12:29 <Ammler> what against just "jail" newgrf basecost to the properities of that grf. 13:13:00 <petern> Ammler: 13:13:01 <petern> BASE 13:13:02 <petern> costs 13:13:03 <petern> BASE 13:13:06 <petern> BASE BASE BASE 13:13:07 <Ammler> yeah, I know 13:13:09 <fjb> Each grf would need a private copy of all base costs. 13:13:28 <Ammler> still 13:14:10 <Ammler> is there a grf, except the 2 from pikka, which really want to change the BASE? 13:15:06 <Ammler> most grfs missuse that already anyway. 13:15:07 <fjb> And then add on sets would probably fail because they expect the base set to change the base cost. 13:16:00 <fjb> Making the base costs private would not stop grf authors from misusing the base cost. 13:16:20 <Ammler> but it would not influence other newgrfs. 13:16:39 <planetmaker> but it wouldn't be clean. 13:16:43 <petern> http://fuzzle.org/~petern/ottd/32bitcallback.diff 13:16:46 <Ammler> but safer 13:16:49 <petern> ^ how to support loading of 32 bit callbacks 13:18:05 <planetmaker> ... 13:18:08 <fjb> Nice. 13:18:23 <Ammler> hmm, maybe the dbset changes some basecosts, like tracks and signal costs. 13:18:30 <petern> dbset changes all base costs 13:18:36 <planetmaker> yup 13:19:13 <Ammler> petern: I mean, basecosts, which doesn't have to do with the set iself, like running costs and such. 13:19:20 <petern> yes 13:19:24 *** Roest [~schurade@p54B9D44B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:19:24 <petern> dbset changes all base costs 13:19:26 <fjb> dbset is really outdated by now. But we will soon ( :-) ) see a new version. 13:20:04 <planetmaker> lol 13:20:11 <Ammler> all others just change the base to have better cost bandwith for their set itself. 13:20:24 <planetmaker> but I think the attrocities concerning meddling with all costs won't get better there 13:21:02 <fjb> No, some other sets change really unobvious base costs. Was that nars 1? 13:21:27 <petern> usset 13:21:27 <Ammler> which is bad anyway, imo. 13:21:29 <planetmaker> well. That's superseeded by nars2. 13:22:11 <fjb> Yes, but it was an example that not only dbset misuses base costs that are not obvious. 13:22:42 <planetmaker> yep 13:23:01 <Ammler> and is there a serious reason to allow that? 13:23:13 <planetmaker> backward compatibility 13:23:20 <Ammler> ? 13:23:21 <fjb> And more than 8 bits for the costs would be a great relief for all grf authors. German road vehicles set hat the same problems. 13:23:46 <Ammler> planetmaker: you mean loading old saves? 13:23:57 <fjb> You never know what grfs would break in strange ways. 13:24:07 <planetmaker> That. And that the current behaviour is what grfs were designed for. 13:24:39 <Ammler> how can disabling basecosts for grfs break a game? 13:25:40 <fjb> I guess a lot more current grfs would break. 13:26:14 <planetmaker> Ammler: _I_ don't know the details enough to judge. But it probably is very easy to find those cases, if one knows the code 13:26:42 <fjb> 16 or 32 bit costs are the way to go, hopefully compatible in both TTD projects. 13:26:48 <Ammler> fjb: that is why you should keep it for the grf itself. 13:27:16 <planetmaker> Ammler: with 16 or 32 bit costs grf don't need to access basecosts anymore. 13:27:57 <planetmaker> so newer newgrfs may behave nicely then 13:27:59 <fjb> Ammler: But then a private copy of every base cost is needed. That could break grfs that change base cost with a reason. 13:28:42 <Ammler> fjb: yeah, a example would be nice ;-) 13:29:37 <petern> that would break grfs that change base costs for a reason 13:29:59 <petern> which base cost would you apply to clearing a tile? 13:30:09 <planetmaker> like modified building costs :) 13:30:16 <fjb> It is not my duty to bring examples for grfs that would break. It is yours to assure that no grf would break by the changes that you are proposing. 13:30:36 * petern ponders a non-adjustable 50th base cost that just tracks inflation 13:30:42 <Ammler> why change that with newgrs and not with difficult settings? 13:30:54 <Ammler> f 13:31:12 <planetmaker> backward compatibility :) 13:31:42 <planetmaker> did I say that already? :P 13:31:57 <petern> that sort of change is what it is there *for* 13:31:59 *** einKarl [~einKarl@91-66-180-201-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 13:32:42 <fjb> Base costs remind me of the A20 gate. :-( 13:32:57 <planetmaker> ? 13:34:27 <fjb> A feature was misused and now we have still crippled hardware only to be compatible. 13:35:12 <planetmaker> ah... ok. Thx 13:36:05 <fjb> But modern OS' don't missuse it anymore but use a clean way (32 or 64 bit wide addresses). And we should implemend a way that new grfs don't have to misuse a feature anymore. 13:36:43 <petern> indeed 13:36:47 <petern> the A20 gate is still there, however :) 13:37:11 <fjb> Even DOS ist still there. So old grfs will be. 13:37:14 <petern> probably emulated though :) 13:37:50 <fjb> DOS relies on the A20 Gate, old grfs rely on the current base cost behaviour. 13:38:09 <fjb> Not always emulated. :-) 13:39:54 <fjb> Are 16 or 31 bit costs addable to TTDP? Probably. 13:45:29 <petern> probably 13:45:43 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:45:46 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:47:54 *** smeding [~smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 13:48:17 <Ammler> fjb: you can't compare base costs with that, if you would disable basecosts for GRFs, it would only change some prices, also backwards compatibilty is safe (as you could set the base costs with the difficult settings advanced window :-P 13:49:17 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 13:49:30 <Ammler> omg, that snow. 13:49:42 <planetmaker> it's spring here. 13:51:14 <Ammler> we got around 1m new today 13:51:30 <Ammler> and it won't stop 13:52:11 *** lolman [~lolman@adsl-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:52:13 <planetmaker> :O 13:52:16 <fjb> So cool down. 13:52:25 <planetmaker> :D 13:52:47 <dihedral> Ammler, snow soup :-D 13:52:51 <NukeBuster> oh, I wish we had a decent amount of snow here. 13:53:04 <davis_> same 13:54:25 <petern> COCKBUSTER? 13:56:04 <dihedral> petern, now that was very mature! 13:56:16 <thingwath> I wish the snow here would not melt and freeze at the same time. 13:56:21 <dihedral> besides, you missed the [] :-P 13:56:39 <dihedral> thingwath, how is that even possible? 13:57:01 <thingwath> quite easily at a temperature around 0 celsius 13:57:02 <petern> COCKBUSTER[]? 14:02:42 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@216-165-16-200.DYNAPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 14:02:44 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@216-165-16-200.DYNAPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [] 14:03:26 <dihedral> [cock]buster 14:14:39 <Ammler> that is another buster 14:17:10 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 14:19:47 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [] 14:20:07 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 14:21:34 <dihedral> that's the only buster i know :-P 14:25:31 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 14:25:50 <planetmaker> there may be some block busters... :P 14:31:26 *** Timitry [83dc24f1@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 14:35:32 <dihedral> nicely rescued planetmaker 14:37:08 <dihedral> you should nick yourself 'planetsaver', but then, if that were your nick, i'd blame you for not saving alderan 14:39:03 <planetmaker> no no. I still want to win the price for the Norwegian fjords 14:39:49 <Roest> someone else got that one already 14:40:15 <planetmaker> hm... a pity :) 14:49:04 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Quit: ecke] 14:53:50 *** Ridayah [~ridayah@173-19-228-175.client.mchsi.com] has joined #openttd 14:58:43 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 14:58:43 *** [gone]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:58:46 *** Combuster is now known as [gone]buster 15:01:03 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 15:02:51 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:07:50 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:12:24 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 15:13:59 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 15:14:46 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has joined #openttd 15:18:55 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15457 /trunk/src/ (51 files in 3 dirs): -Fix: typo in stringid. 15:20:00 <dihedral> Alain is funny - i cannot even code, can he? 15:23:14 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.9] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:25:17 <Rubidium> dihedral: you not being able to code doesn't necessarily mean that he isn't able to code 15:26:54 <dihedral> ops 15:26:59 <dihedral> s/i/he/ :-P 15:27:22 <dihedral> shame the 'can he?' did not point out what i actually meant :-P 15:28:14 <Rubidium> there's a difference between knowing what you meant and replying on what you actually say 15:34:08 <Rubidium> I reckon that he can't code though 15:36:13 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:37:38 <Roest> i somehow doubt he is going to succeed 15:37:46 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad00e9c.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:37:52 <Rubidium> what patch pack has succeeded? 15:38:24 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 15:38:34 <Roest> none but they were fun to play with for a while 15:39:08 <Rubidium> the problem with them is they release one, maybe two and then they're dead again 15:39:17 <Rubidium> and people keep whining for updates for eons 15:39:39 <Roest> don't look at me :o 15:39:40 <Rubidium> and reporting bugs in the patch packs 15:40:00 <Rubidium> the only one that did not die quickly was MiniIN 15:40:14 <Rubidium> but that's like three? years ago already 15:40:37 *** kd5pbo [~kd5pbo@136.242.109.174] has joined #openttd 15:40:40 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad87cc1.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 15:41:47 <Roest> hey mine went on for 3 months ^^ 15:43:05 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm137.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 15:43:40 <Roest> nice planetmaker pointed him to this channel so he can ask dihedral for help 15:43:59 <planetmaker> [16:18] <dihedral> Alain is funny - i cannot even code, can he? <-- dih. Before I started off with wwottdgd/2, I didn't programme anything in C/C++ for probably 10 years. 15:44:33 <planetmaker> And three months later or so wwottdgd/2 was held. So, yes, he has a chance, if he's willing to learn. He seems to 15:48:24 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 15:48:45 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad87cc1.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:48:47 <Rubidium> Roest: looking at the patch pack thread your patch lived from mid april to early may (less than a month) based on the date of the first non-editted comment and the last edited time of the last binary post 15:48:51 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad51a7d.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 15:49:37 <Roest> hmm did i make 9 version within two weeks? 15:49:45 <Roest> thought it was longer 15:50:09 <Rubidium> given the comments at least 8 in the two weeks 15:50:36 <Rubidium> that's based on the first reference to the v2 one 15:51:04 <Roest> think the main problem was including paxdest and other patches that weren't maintained by their authors anymore 15:51:25 <planetmaker> these things are always a problem for patch packs. 15:51:29 <Roest> if you just take up to date patches such a pack can survive a while 15:51:31 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 15:51:51 *** kd5pbo [~kd5pbo@136.242.109.174] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:52:01 <Mark_> i think i found a bug: if a train has only invalid orders in its order list its speed isn't shown anymore in the status bar 15:52:08 <Mark_> tested with newest nightly and no newgrfs 15:52:10 <planetmaker> My clientpatches still work - but they may not always contain every patch which was there previously. And clientpatches are easy as I don't have to worry about savegames :) 15:53:03 <Rubidium> MiniIN (last reincarnation) was 26/5 - 27/2 (9 months) 15:53:04 <planetmaker> So, I guess it doesn't count as "patch pack" :P 15:53:06 *** sarahlnx [~sarahlnx@cpc3-hem17-0-0-cust307.lutn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 15:53:17 <planetmaker> (mine, not miniIN) 15:53:50 <Ammler> the russian pack? 15:54:04 <planetmaker> urgs. 15:54:08 <TrueBrain> I read a question about MiniIN on the forums today :s 15:54:11 <TrueBrain> makes your head spin ..... 15:54:36 <planetmaker> there're people in the German one who actively promote that to far more than it's worth. 15:54:55 <Ammler> Bernhard? 15:55:25 <Ammler> he is still playing r8???-MiniIN 15:55:46 <Rubidium> Ammler: are you sure, I though he played 6???-MiniIN 15:56:29 *** sarahlnx [~sarahlnx@cpc3-hem17-0-0-cust307.lutn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:56:30 <planetmaker> Ammler: seems. At least partially 15:56:41 <planetmaker> or whatever version of miniIN 15:56:55 <Ammler> he has a nice homepage: http://bernhard.people.tt-ms.de/ 15:57:52 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad51a7d.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:58:41 *** sarahlnx [~sarahlnx@cpc3-hem17-0-0-cust307.lutn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 15:58:44 <Ammler> oh, seems like he removed the old complete packages 16:00:12 <petern> no, they're there 16:00:20 <petern> openttd_2.zip contains everything 16:04:46 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 16:05:34 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [] 16:07:35 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.9] has joined #openttd 16:09:58 *** bleepy [bleepy@5adad48a.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 16:10:55 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:13:15 <dihedral> <planetmaker> And three months later or so wwottdgd/2 was held. So, yes, he has a chance, if he's willing to learn. He seems to <- Alain has been a guest on my server for some time now, i recall him not really being anywhere near any type of 'coder' 16:13:52 <planetmaker> it shall be seen :) 16:17:36 * TrueBrain closes his eyes 16:17:56 * Roest trips TrueBrain 16:18:01 <planetmaker> :D 16:20:08 <fjb> Btw, what happened to the community patch pack? 16:20:43 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5EA4B.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 16:21:07 <Roest> i can only guess but i'd say it suffered from patch authors not submitting anymore? 16:22:52 <fjb> Did they ever release anything beside announcements? 16:24:55 *** bleepy [bleepy@5adad48a.bb.sky.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:25:34 *** bleepy [bleepy@5adad48a.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 16:26:15 *** kd5pbo [~kd5pbo@136.242.109.174] has joined #openttd 16:28:03 <Ammler> wwottdgd also needs a map creator 16:28:03 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fe9ae.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 16:29:32 <Roest> pick me 16:29:47 <Roest> wait 16:29:49 * TrueBrain picks Roest 16:29:51 <TrueBrain> does it hurt? 16:29:55 <Roest> what's the pay 16:30:17 <Roest> TrueBrain a little 16:30:26 <fjb> I need a way to bribe the ai to make its bridges wider. 16:36:09 <TrueBrain> wider .... I wonder how that would work 16:36:11 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:36:31 <kd5pbo> When is the next wwottdgd" 16:37:45 *** smallfly [~smallfly@p578F1B4F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:37:46 <fjb> Hm, then longer. 16:38:57 <kd5pbo> s/"/? 16:39:58 <planetmaker> kd5pbo: when there's someone willing to start preparing for it :) 16:40:28 <planetmaker> willing to invest a bit time in preparing a decent patchpack for it and organizing a good sceanrio :) 16:41:46 <Eddi|zuHause> <kd5pbo> s/"/? <- syntax error ;) 16:42:13 <TrueBrain> petern: I aborted the syncing for now; will continue with it after tonights nightly :p 16:44:35 *** lolman [~lolman@adsl-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 16:44:42 <kd5pbo> Worked fine for me. 16:44:46 <kd5pbo> Well, in VI anyways. 16:45:42 *** sarahlnx [~sarahlnx@cpc3-hem17-0-0-cust307.lutn.cable.ntl.com] has left #openttd [Leaving] 16:46:10 *** kingj [~KingJ@78.33.77.139] has joined #openttd 16:46:41 <kingj> How can I disable automatic new industry generation during game? Can't seem to find an option anywhere 16:48:48 <Ammler> needs a newgrf, afaik. 16:49:03 *** bleepy [bleepy@5adad48a.bb.sky.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:49:05 *** bleepy [bleepy@5adad48a.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 16:51:30 <Ammler> fjb: there was around 1 beta, but it was called civ, iirc. 16:52:11 <Ammler> the last try to make a community patchpack was nomicin. 16:52:32 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.9] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:54:39 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.9] has joined #openttd 16:56:12 *** Zorn [~zorn@e177230054.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 16:59:38 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.9] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:59:43 <frosch123> kingj: http://grfcrawler.tt-forums.net/details.php?do=details&id=244 17:00:36 *** bleepy [bleepy@5adad48a.bb.sky.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:01:09 <Ammler> wow, your GRF reached the crawler, so it lost joke state? 17:01:11 *** bleepy [bleepy@5adad48a.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 17:01:37 <frosch123> I put it there, after it passed 100 downloads or so... 17:01:48 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.9] has joined #openttd 17:01:49 <frosch123> If I had put it on bananas it would have 1000 of course :) 17:02:01 <Ammler> well 17:03:09 <frosch123> Ammler: what's the point of the ottdcoop 7.3 grf in bananas ? 17:03:36 <Ammler> read the text :-) 17:03:46 *** el_en [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has joined #openttd 17:03:46 <frosch123> I did, nothing happened 17:04:02 <Ammler> to show the players, where they can download the other grfs... 17:05:33 <Ammler> it shouldn't be showed over web and general download gui 17:06:19 <planetmaker> lol 17:07:04 <Ammler> :-) 17:07:54 <frosch123> hmm, Luxembourgish, I always thought they just speak french... 17:08:15 <planetmaker> frosch123: due to popular demand, it might indeed be an idea to upload your stop-industries grf to bananas... 17:08:48 <Ammler> then, I should also upload nothing.grf 17:08:59 <frosch123> well, if I distribute it too much, someone might find its bugs ... 17:09:06 <planetmaker> :D 17:09:15 *** bleepy [bleepy@5adad48a.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:10:01 <kingj> frosch123: Thanks 17:10:05 <dihedral> <Ammler> [17:26:35] wwottdgd also needs a map creator <- i think there might be someone who is very talented in the forums 17:10:23 <Eddi|zuHause> <frosch123> hmm, Luxembourgish, I always thought they just speak french... <- most people there are "tri-lingual" 17:10:34 <Ammler> i hope, you don't have the one from the megaclan in mind 17:10:45 <dihedral> pft 17:11:01 <dihedral> the kid that made this very cool map 17:11:24 <Ammler> is he here, btw? 17:11:25 <dihedral> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=41715 17:11:40 <Eddi|zuHause> Luxembourgish is kind of a german dialect, although they don't want it called like that :p 17:12:36 <planetmaker> like "don't tell a Flamish person that s/he speaks Dutch"? 17:12:57 <dihedral> planetmaker, "Were Can i get a Good compiler program to download and this is all new to me but i got time to learn alot about this" <- you really think that sounds very psoitive? 17:12:58 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad34862.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 17:13:07 <dihedral> *positive 17:13:12 <planetmaker> well. :P 17:13:18 <Ammler> dihedral: we discussed that map once already here... 17:13:22 <dihedral> "what trunk do i start with becuse they come out like every day" <- HAHA 17:13:23 *** lobstar is now known as lobster 17:13:37 <dihedral> now that is just awesome 17:13:40 <Ammler> dihedral: make AutoHEAD server :P 17:13:54 <dihedral> Ammler, i dont mean use that map 17:13:57 <dihedral> i mean use that author 17:14:45 <dihedral> planetmaker, first patch alain wants to include: *Distant-join-stations * 17:15:03 <Roest> that would be nice to have 17:15:35 <dihedral> ... 17:15:37 <planetmaker> I read that thread. You may notice I even replied to that :) 17:15:41 <Eddi|zuHause> i could do that for him :p 17:15:50 <dihedral> Eddi|zuHause, svn co :-P 17:16:01 <Eddi|zuHause> ;) 17:16:05 <dihedral> that'd be cheating 17:16:15 * dihedral presses ctrl+alt+c on Eddi|zuHause 17:16:36 <dihedral> yes planetmaker i am just highlighting the lovely things 17:16:40 <dihedral> just to emphasise 17:17:05 <Roest> pm has faith in him 17:17:31 <dihedral> yeah... funnily enough :-P 17:17:47 <planetmaker> Most people react in a way like "oh, I've to actually install a compiler?! No, thanks.". 17:18:13 <planetmaker> See the wonderful thread where Nekomaster demands binaries 17:18:30 <dihedral> this guy never touched the source, does not know what a patch looks like or how to apply it - yet as picked out a pretty tough list of things he'd like to include 17:18:43 <dihedral> heck - he does not even know how to google! 17:18:48 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 17:18:58 <dihedral> planetmaker, which thread is that? 17:19:11 <dihedral> that sounds like fun 17:20:42 <planetmaker> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=764188#p764188 17:20:46 <planetmaker> and there's another. 17:20:56 <Roest> dihedral here you might like that http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/ 17:21:16 <dihedral> i prefer letmegooglethatforyou 17:21:48 <dihedral> http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=openttd 17:22:47 <dihedral> planetmaker, lovely that is :-) 17:22:56 <planetmaker> indeed 17:24:31 * dihedral waits for something clever to pop up in his mind that he could add :D 17:24:42 *** [gone]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:24:42 *** Combuster is now known as [gone]buster 17:25:14 * dihedral thinks of the other buster 17:25:46 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm137.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: >:3] 17:27:46 <Eddi|zuHause> damn, i cannot play without cargodest... 17:28:09 <Roest> then dont play without it 17:28:38 <dihedral> Eddi|zuHause, then help updating it ;-) 17:28:47 <planetmaker> hehe 17:28:55 <planetmaker> rewrite it w/o boost :) 17:29:11 <dihedral> if you dont it'll die and you will then even end up playing without it eventually 17:29:24 <Roest> does it use bost for more than the network graph? 17:29:39 <Eddi|zuHause> no, it uses only bgl 17:30:00 <Roest> remains the question why it needs that graph 17:30:13 <Eddi|zuHause> (but that has loads of internal boost dependencies) 17:30:17 <Eddi|zuHause> Roest: for pathfinding 17:30:27 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 17:30:50 <Roest> oh true, somehow i was only thinking the minimap 17:31:01 <Eddi|zuHause> it only generates cargo when there is a path through the graph, and only choses destinations which are reachable 17:31:23 <Eddi|zuHause> display on the minimap is a sideeffect ;) 17:31:23 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-10-28-138.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 17:31:42 <Eddi|zuHause> that part was adapted from one of the previous paxdest patches even 17:33:36 <Ammler> but the minimap is nice 17:36:02 *** mikl_ [~mikl@90.184.195.240] has joined #openttd 17:36:52 *** [gone]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:36:52 *** Combuster is now known as [gone]buster 17:37:19 <Roest> anyway i guess boost isnt really the problem isn't it? 17:38:47 *** mikl [~mikl@80.199.116.190.static.peytz.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:40:41 <dihedral> *PLONK*Awards 2009 <- Eddi|zuHause, lovely one 17:42:56 <planetmaker> Yep. It'll get my vote :P 17:43:55 *** mikl_ [~mikl@90.184.195.240] has quit [Quit: mikl_] 17:45:20 <el_en> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.java/msg/88fa10845061c8ba 17:45:42 *** dydanor [~dydanor@193.43.249.169] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:46:13 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5EA4B.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 17:49:21 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.9] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:50:03 *** buwesiqi [~buwesiqi@193.43.249.169] has joined #openttd 17:50:57 *** buwesiqi [~buwesiqi@193.43.249.169] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:51:36 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.9] has joined #openttd 17:54:35 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5EA4B.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 18:00:10 *** Runr [~Runar@87.248.31.149] has joined #openttd 18:00:12 *** Runr [~Runar@87.248.31.149] has quit [] 18:04:00 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.9] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:06:46 <Ammler> Chunnel! 18:07:32 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 18:10:24 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r15458 /trunk/src/industry_cmd.cpp: -Fix: Missing 'static'. 18:14:29 *** const86 [~const@tower.mimas.ru] has quit [Quit: I'll be back] 18:16:14 *** const86 [~const@tower.mimas.ru] has joined #openttd 18:22:10 *** hadi [~hadi@193.43.249.169] has joined #openttd 18:22:19 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:29:32 <fjb> Can somebody please add accident statistics to level crossings an airports. :-) 18:30:18 *** kd5pbo [~kd5pbo@136.242.109.174] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:30:36 <frosch123> write a noai that does that :p 18:31:02 <glx> frosch123: an AI only get news about his vehicles 18:31:16 <frosch123> hmm, too bad :( 18:31:31 <glx> there are enough leaks with that ;) 18:32:55 <frosch123> remove the "vehicle not profitable" event, and limit the eventqueue to 100 events 18:33:00 *** RK [~klaus@p509122A1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:34:02 <Eddi|zuHause> suggestion: only show the 10 vehicles with the lowest income, not all with negative income 18:34:08 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:34:10 <RK> hi. IIRC there was a kind of web based savegame viewer vor OTTD. Anyone got an idead where to find it? 18:34:24 <Eddi|zuHause> or spread the news out over the months, not all at the same time 18:34:28 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 18:34:56 <glx> RK: I don't remember any tool like that 18:35:15 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:35:26 <frosch123> I guess he meant SpComb's stuff, but it was a running game, not a savegame 18:35:48 <frosch123> IIRC TB also did something like that somewhen 18:36:53 *** smallfly [~smallfly@p578F1B4F.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 18:37:11 *** smallfly [~smallfly@p578F1B4F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:37:14 <Eddi|zuHause> didn't orudge try something like that? 18:39:43 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has joined #openttd 18:40:00 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause: yes, but that isn't public, yet, afaik. 18:42:57 <Ammler> frosch123: how do you read the details about a grf on the webpage? 18:43:24 <Ammler> or did you with the client? 18:43:34 <frosch123> with client :) 18:43:36 *** worldemar [~world@62.106.104.246] has quit [Quit: An exit status of zero indicates success, and a nonzero value indicates failure.] 18:44:10 <Ammler> hmm, TTO graphics :-/ 18:44:32 *** Yeggs-work is now known as Yeggstry 18:46:36 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 18:47:42 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r15459 /trunk/src/lang/ (9 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) 18:47:42 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2009-02-12 18:45:56 18:47:42 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: afrikaans - 5 fixed, 3 changed by Ludslad (8) 18:47:42 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: dutch - 18 changed by Excel20 (18) 18:47:42 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: german - 3 changed by planetmaker (3) 18:47:44 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: hungarian - 1 changed by alyr (1) 18:47:44 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: ido - 27 fixed by Cecile (12), Selene (15) 18:48:37 *** smallfly [~smallfly@p578F1B4F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Want to be different? Try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-] 18:50:21 *** worldemar [~world@213.178.40.129] has joined #openttd 18:50:36 <SpComb> RK: not that I know of 18:50:49 <SpComb> one person once wanted to develop one with me, but I never heard from him again after the first day 18:51:08 <RK> hmm never mind 18:51:11 <RK> found that: http://zproxy.wordpress.com/2007/12/25/new-example-isometric-threedstuff-javascript-tycoon/ 18:51:20 <RK> which is more relevant to my interests :-) 18:51:37 *** Mortomes [~mortomes@i15108.upc-i.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: I can quit whenever I want!] 18:52:23 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:52:45 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:52:52 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 18:53:00 <orudge> The Repository (which I still haven't quite finished(!)) features the ability to view lots of data from within saved games, including maps 18:53:03 <orudge> but not an isometric view 18:53:06 <orudge> that would be technically possible 18:53:11 <orudge> but rather server-intensive, and perhaps a bit much 18:53:48 <orudge> anyway, dinner time 18:54:14 <RK> I remember a not live view based on a giant screenshot, cut into smaller pieces and with a google maps-like interface 18:57:38 <TrueBrain> RK: very nice url :) 18:58:03 <TrueBrain> I once made a proof-of-concept for something simular with dune :) Javascript allows a lot of shit nowedays :) 18:58:07 *** fjb [~frank@p5485C267.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 19:12:04 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 19:12:44 <yorick> http://paste.openttd.org/179640 <-- it doesn't compile? 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20:41:12 <planetmaker> wanted actually? 20:41:29 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5EA4B.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 20:41:43 <TrueBrain> in a prior compile one virtualbox vm crashed 20:41:46 <TrueBrain> segfault 20:41:50 <TrueBrain> a case that is very hard to detect 20:41:58 <TrueBrain> as result, two threads became blocked 20:42:14 <TrueBrain> (one because of the crash, a second because of trying to boot a VM that just crashed :p) 20:42:37 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [] 20:42:38 <planetmaker> oi... 20:42:47 <planetmaker> :S 20:42:52 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 20:43:12 <TrueBrain> I really need to rethink the compile farm (again) 20:43:26 <TrueBrain> besides the weird link-drops of the eth0, it starts to show other impossibilities ... 20:43:42 <planetmaker> he... a task I don't envy you for. Though I admire the work you put into it. 20:43:43 <Eddi|zuHause> fifth time is the charm ;) 20:43:52 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: would be the 3rd, but sure 20:44:03 <TrueBrain> it is a really complex job and collection of scripts .. 20:44:12 <TrueBrain> although this time it is much more clear what is going on .. still ... tricky 20:44:28 <TrueBrain> I need better error-checking .. which is amazingly hard to implement .. 20:45:38 <planetmaker> hm, yes... That's eating most of my daily time too: detecting anomalies in my data which hinder usual processing of the input :S 20:45:53 <planetmaker> works 95% of the time great - but one needs to know at least when the 5% happen :S 20:46:22 <TrueBrain> most of my friends come to me when they have such problems .. writing things to limit that is mostly very simple 20:46:35 <TrueBrain> but ... this ... too many platforms, with too many different things 20:46:59 <planetmaker> he, yeah. How many different binaries? A dozen? 20:47:00 <TrueBrain> "detecting of an error is more valuable than the error itself" 20:47:01 <TrueBrain> ;) 20:47:18 <TrueBrain> take Windows in our case ... even if a build fails, it still produces a .pdb file 20:47:36 <TrueBrain> I consider this a bug of MSVC .. but it is VERY annoying, as build failures in windows are simply not detected (it produced an output file after all) 20:47:37 <planetmaker> ... whatever that is... 20:47:55 <planetmaker> it produces an exe? 20:47:57 <planetmaker> !? 20:48:04 <TrueBrain> pdb is a debug file 20:48:09 <planetmaker> ah 20:48:20 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e179061251.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 20:48:29 <TrueBrain> when you send a crash report to MSVC, together with a pdb file, it will tell you where it crashed, like a backtrace 20:48:34 <TrueBrain> but the beauty of it: also on release files 20:48:49 <planetmaker> nice. 20:49:17 * TrueBrain considers giving buildbot a spin ... 20:49:22 <TrueBrain> still doesn't solve my biggest problem 20:49:28 <TrueBrain> but at least makes a few things a bit easier :) 20:49:32 <glx> TrueBrain: yes it tells where, but often the variables are just wrong ;) 20:49:47 <TrueBrain> glx: you can't have it all :) 20:49:58 <glx> so for the why it's another story :P 20:50:10 <Roest> TrueBrain you need to ponder it first 20:52:56 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 20:53:51 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93.81.213.112] has joined #openttd 20:54:03 <TrueBrain> Roest: why would I need to do that? 20:54:08 <TrueBrain> didn't know you could command me like that ;) 20:54:45 <Roest> that was a follow up on yesterdays ponder discussion 20:55:47 <TrueBrain> which I didn't follow 20:55:50 <TrueBrain> so a bit useless comment 20:55:59 <Roest> i noticed 20:56:20 *** [gone]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:56:20 *** Combuster is now known as [gone]buster 20:59:09 *** Zorn [~zorn@e177230054.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )] 21:00:37 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fe9ae.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:03:41 *** kd5pbo [~kd5pbo@136.242.105.117] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:04:02 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 21:06:04 <TrueBrain> any of you any other suggestions (besides buildbot) 21:10:24 *** kd5pbo [~kd5pbo@136.242.105.117] has joined #openttd 21:12:22 <michi_cc> TrueBrain: pick one http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuous_integration#Software :) 21:12:55 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:12:55 <TrueBrain> michi_cc: a list is nice, handson experience is better 21:13:15 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 21:18:10 <Roest> oh man the pizza guy picked up an empty delivery box 21:21:55 <planetmaker> :P poor Roest :P 21:22:50 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad34862.bb.sky.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:22:52 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad34862.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 21:23:27 <Roest> well the reason why i ordered was that i'm out of coke to mix with rum, but now i'm hungry too 21:24:06 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:33:48 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:34:54 <TrueBrain> so nobody here did any work with such software .. sad .. :p 21:35:14 *** thingwath [~thingwath@morana.sks2.muni.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:36:30 <planetmaker> he :S 21:39:00 *** thingwath [~thingwath@morana.sks2.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 21:44:43 <svip> :S 21:45:14 *** fjb [~frank@p5485C267.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:49:03 <SmatZ> hey it's a svippy! 21:50:30 *** fjb [~frank@p5485C267.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 21:50:36 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: that makes you happy? :p 21:51:26 *** goodger_ [~ben@host81-152-233-2.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 21:52:54 <SmatZ> TrueBrain: haven't seen him for ages :) 21:53:13 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:53:31 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 21:54:09 <TrueBrain> then it should :) 21:56:07 *** fjb [~frank@p5485C267.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:58:18 *** goodger [~ben@host81-152-233-2.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:58:58 <el_en> why don't spaniards like openttd? 22:00:44 <dihedral> why do we have so many stupid users in the forums? 22:01:36 <dihedral> and most importantly 22:01:41 <dihedral> why does the sun set 22:03:13 <el_en> because if sun would get, it should be a const function. 22:03:51 <Roest> he's got a point there 22:04:28 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:04:34 <dihedral> now that is the best explaination i have gotten for that question in all the years i have asked it 22:06:07 <Rubidium> dihedral: that's a famous chicken-egg problem; why does the sun rise? 22:06:23 <Rubidium> if it didn't rise, it didn't need to set 22:06:25 <dihedral> Rubidium, you should read more calvin & hobbes 22:06:34 *** smeding [~smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:06:55 <Rubidium> but then half of the earth would be pretty cold, the other part a bit warmer, thus there'll likely be massive storms 22:07:17 <planetmaker> or as "nice" as on Venus... 22:07:28 <Rubidium> so you wouldn't see the sun setting/rising 22:08:05 <Rubidium> so it sets so you can (occasionally) see the sun instead of always having bad weather 22:08:12 <dihedral> hmm... however if you managed to make the sun move around the earth.... 22:08:32 <dihedral> Rubidium, i'd live on the sunny side 22:08:39 <dihedral> :-D 22:08:41 *** davis_ [~iloveme@p5B28E628.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )] 22:08:55 <planetmaker> dih: I'd prefer the terminator in that case 22:08:59 <Rubidium> dihedral: there would be no sunny side due to the massive storms due to the temperature difference 22:09:09 <el_en> there would be zone of constant sun set/rise. 22:09:24 <dihedral> the storms would not be in the center of the sunny side 22:09:32 <dihedral> they'd be at the edges :P 22:09:33 <planetmaker> they'd be globally 22:09:41 <dihedral> spoil sport 22:09:45 <planetmaker> :) 22:09:50 <dihedral> negative nit wit :-P 22:10:14 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... this revised knight rider is definitely getting better, but i fear it is too late for the series, after the screwed up start 22:10:39 <Roest> it cant be any good without the hoff 22:10:57 <Nite_Owl> he was in the pilot 22:11:15 * Rubidium agrees with Eddi 22:11:21 <Eddi|zuHause> <Rubidium> dihedral: that's a famous chicken-egg problem; why does the sun rise? <- because Susan rescued the Hogfather 22:11:43 <dihedral> but there are no cherries at this time of the year 22:12:46 <dihedral> :-P 22:12:57 <el_en> will sarah connor chronicles get better? 22:13:12 * Rubidium slaps himself 22:13:22 <Roest> at which episode are they here? 22:13:23 <Rubidium> the answer to all those questions is ofcourse 42 22:13:36 * dihedral will not disturb el_en whilst asking his rhetorical questions 22:13:40 <Roest> nah there isnt episode 42 yet 22:13:42 <Rubidium> Roest: like episode 3 ;) 22:14:24 <Eddi|zuHause> most people say it gets better in season 2 22:14:30 <Roest> scc is at 2x13 in the US, i'd say it's ok 22:14:33 <dihedral> Rubidium, what kind of answer is that? :-P 22:14:46 <Rubidium> 42 22:14:55 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.184.202] has joined #openttd 22:14:56 <dihedral> haha, nice one :-) 22:15:22 <el_en> sarah connor chronicles has some interesting plot details sometimes, but it tends to be too much of running away mindlessly, and the big plot advancing way too slowly. 22:15:46 <Eddi|zuHause> el_en: at which point of the series are you? 22:15:53 <Roest> well after all we know how it ends 22:16:29 <dihedral> and where is the bus with those people inside it who are interested in sarah conner and her chronicles? 22:16:47 <Nite_Owl> Skynet says BOOM 22:16:58 <Rubidium> dihedral: 42nd street? 22:17:04 <dihedral> :-D 22:17:20 <dihedral> and now tell me that line 42 fixes all bugs 22:18:30 <Noldo> no, but by changing it you can have your pick from 42 different bugs 22:18:34 <el_en> Eddi|zuHause: i've watched most episodes made, i.e. at about season 2 ep 10. 22:21:47 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.188.174] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:22:04 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: from __future__ import antigravity] 22:23:25 *** genclay [~mind@cpc2-rdng14-0-0-cust631.winn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 22:24:46 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc2-rdng14-0-0-cust631.winn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:28:07 *** fjb [~frank@p5485C267.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 22:28:36 <SpComb> . 22:28:47 <Rubidium> , 22:29:24 <Eddi|zuHause> · 22:29:32 <glx> ; 22:29:55 <el_en> damn, i just noticed i've been <10 km away from netherlands last year. 22:29:56 <Eddi|zuHause> "PÃŒnktchen, PÃŒnktchen, Komma, Strich" 22:30:03 <Eddi|zuHause> "Fertig ist das Mondgesicht" 22:31:46 <Ammler> ) 22:32:22 *** [gone]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:32:25 *** Roest [~schurade@p54B9D44B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 22:32:39 *** [gone]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 22:37:44 <SpComb> the new IRC logs are now at http://irclogs.qmsk.net/ 22:38:00 *** SHRIKEE [~shrikee@84-105-52-118.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Quit: SHRIKEE] 22:42:22 *** fjb [~frank@p5485C267.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:44:29 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 22:47:26 <Ammler> SpComb: png? 22:48:18 <Sacro> Ammler: tga? 22:48:51 <Ammler> ? 22:49:52 *** tokai|ni [~tokai@p54B81095.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:50:11 <Sacro> i thought we are asking file format questions 22:51:42 *** tokai|ni [~tokai@p54B8366C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 22:55:15 <Ammler> Sacro: I did, I was wondering what's up with png on the log viewer 22:55:16 *** Yeggstry is now known as Yeggzzz 22:55:26 <Sacro> ahh 22:55:56 <planetmaker> /System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Frameworks/QD.framework/Headers/Quickdraw.h:3735: error: new declaration 'short int OTTD_Random()' /Users/ingo/ottd/fixing/src/core/random_func.hpp:86: error: ambiguates old declaration 'uint32 OTTD_Random()' 22:56:28 <planetmaker> how do I avoid that? I just added a system include in fontcache.cpp... 22:56:48 <Rubidium> include it before stdafx 22:56:59 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e179061251.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Rhabarberbarbarabarbarbarenbartbarbierbierbar] 22:57:29 <planetmaker> ah. will try that. thx. now it's last 22:59:39 *** kingj [~KingJ@78.33.77.139] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:05:56 <planetmaker> ok... compiles, though without function so far :) 23:06:11 <planetmaker> more on that Saturday, I guess :) 23:06:15 <planetmaker> good night folks 23:07:36 <Nite_Owl> later planetmaker 23:07:42 <Ammler> omg already friday 23:08:06 <Ammler> I have lost a day 23:08:29 <Ammler> ah, past 0, uh, lucky me. 23:09:01 *** Mark_ [~M4rk@5351EC68.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:15:45 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.9] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:18:46 <SpComb> Ammler: fixed 23:20:00 <Ammler> SpComb: :-) 23:28:14 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.9] has joined #openttd 23:29:14 <SpComb> the old logs also redirect to the equivalent new URLs now 23:32:11 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:35:13 *** fjb [~frank@p5485C267.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 23:42:57 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-211-146-65.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 23:43:00 *** fjb [~frank@p5485C267.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:47:25 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15461 /trunk/src/lang/unfinished/serbian.txt: -Fix (r15459): massive removal of strings from serbian.