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00:00:01 <KingJ> Well, just tried it myself. It appears not 00:01:38 <Eddi|zuHause> unless something magical happens in the next few weeks, i kinda doubt that it will be in 0.7 00:04:33 <KingJ> That's a shame, best feature yet in OTTD I think, but I understand there are some bugs, not that it's affected my current game with it at all 00:05:35 <dihedral> and the guy who develope(s|d) it magically vanished 00:09:43 <Rubidium> why does 'best feature [...] OpenTTD' always make me laugh? 00:10:21 <dihedral> :-P 00:11:23 <KingJ> Who knows, who knows 00:11:41 <KingJ> But at least I got you a laugh out of it 00:12:23 <dihedral> users tend to have that effect :-P 00:18:09 *** Phoenix_the_II [~ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:20:34 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet622.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:23:36 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g228064238.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Rhabarberbarbarabarbarbarenbartbarbierbierbar] 00:31:51 *** Phoenix_the_II [~ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 00:32:52 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77C01.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:32:53 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-36.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: I'll be back, at some point in the future. ;-)] 00:33:17 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77C02.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:33:50 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BAC9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:38:57 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-10-28-138.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 00:49:34 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Quit: ecke] 00:51:21 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 00:51:22 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [] 00:56:16 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 00:57:11 *** Brokkoli [~Brokkoli@e179199163.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 00:58:51 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:59:10 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 01:07:39 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-222-110.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:13:14 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@216-165-16-62.DYNAPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:15:17 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:31:21 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r15506 /trunk/src/ (lang/english.txt settings.cpp town_gui.cpp window_type.h): -Codechange: rename ScenarioEditorTownGenerationWindow to FoundTownWindow 01:31:21 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r15507 /trunk/src/lang/ (42 files in 2 dirs): -Update (r15506): rename strings in other languages too 01:31:38 <petern> he 01:36:25 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r15497 /trunk/src/train_cmd.cpp: -Fix (r15027): when trains crashed, AIEvent was created only for one train 01:37:47 <Rubidium> ah, CIA's mailserver is back online 01:38:25 <Sacro> hehe, nice 01:39:07 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:39:25 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 01:39:26 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r15498 /trunk/src/lang/ (13 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) 01:39:26 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2009-02-16 18:45:15 01:39:26 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: catalan - 2 changed by arnaullv (2) 01:39:26 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: dutch - 3 fixed by Excel20 (3) 01:39:27 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: english_US - 7 fixed by WhiteRabbit (7) 01:39:27 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: german - 3 fixed by planetmaker (2), ralph (1) 01:39:29 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: hungarian - 1 changed by alyr (1) 01:41:23 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r15499 /trunk/src/settings.cpp: -Fix (r15340): the default town layout was changed 01:45:29 <welshdragon> n00b question time: 01:45:34 <Rubidium> 42 01:45:53 *** lolman [~lolman@adsl-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 01:46:05 <welshdragon> how do i merge companies from a saved game (saved from a multiplayer?) 01:46:32 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r15500 /trunk/src/ (saveload/order_sl.cpp settings.cpp): -Fix (r12648): pre-0.5 OTTD stored new_nonstop and full_load_any in a different way, savegame conversion wasn't working for them 01:46:32 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15501 /trunk/ (5 files in 3 dirs): -Document: the changes made over the last months 01:47:00 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15502 /tags/0.7.0-beta1/ (6 files in 4 dirs): -Release 0.7.0-beta1. Many new features, small and big. Happy testing! 01:47:00 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15503 /tags/0.7.0-beta1/src/3rdparty/: -Fix: svn:externals didn't do what I wanted it to do, even though it is documented to do what I wanted it to do. Lets hope this one works as I want it to. 01:48:31 *** OwenS [~Akiramena@host86-164-125-149.range86-164.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:48:46 <welshdragon> no answer? 01:48:55 * welshdragon searches the wiki 01:50:34 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15504 /tags/0.7.0-beta1/ (3 files in 3 dirs): -Fix: today is Friday 13th, right? 01:51:08 <petern> you don't 01:51:18 <welshdragon> Rubidium: uh no 01:51:22 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r15505 /trunk/src/ (town.h town_cmd.cpp town_gui.cpp): -Codechange: pass name of new town as parameter to CMD_BUILD_TOWN 01:51:35 <welshdragon> petern: oh great 01:51:45 * welshdragon wanted to merge the companies 01:56:18 <Rubidium> yeah, the wiki might contain information 01:57:34 *** flowOver [~J@S01060016e65abad7.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 02:03:01 <welshdragon> Rubidium: wiki doesn;t have anything :'( 02:03:40 <Aali> actually, the wiki has lots of things 02:04:31 <welshdragon> well i'm not searching properly 02:05:24 *** welterde [welterde@gandalf.srv.welterde.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:05:58 *** welterde [welterde@gandalf.srv.welterde.de] has joined #openttd 02:07:36 <Brokkoli> is the content server offline? 02:08:09 <Brokkoli> i donloaded 0.7 beta and cannot connect 02:08:28 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 02:09:09 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r15508 /trunk/src/ (core/endian_func.hpp core/endian_type.hpp misc/dbg_helpers.h): -Fix: three header files had incorrect 'anti-multiple-inclusion' header 02:09:51 <Rubidium> Brokkoli: seems to have crashed 02:09:57 <Rubidium> but it's back online 02:10:06 <Brokkoli> ok 02:10:20 <Brokkoli> now it works :) 02:19:18 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: from __future__ import antigravity] 02:29:18 *** Brokkoli [~Brokkoli@e179199163.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: In aller Welt werden die Parallelen zur Krise 1929 diskutiert, aber damals wurde wenigstens noch die Verantwortung ÃŒbernommen. Da sind die Banker noch rei] 02:38:19 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Sacro] 02:48:15 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks1.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: Quit] 02:55:09 <Roujin> wonder if there'll be lots of bug reports about the AIs that have not been updated since the API changes 02:59:11 <Roujin> maybe lots of people download 0.7.0 beta1 now and download all the stuff from BaNaNaS and then complain that most of the AIs aren't working ^^ 03:05:36 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:07:17 *** nfc [nfc@cable-hvk-fe7ede00-156.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:08:36 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:12:36 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:14:35 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 03:14:35 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:14:38 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 03:16:56 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@216-165-16-62.DYNAPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 03:38:52 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:40:17 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad34871.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:40:38 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad103cf.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 03:42:57 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 04:00:38 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i59F5F3D9.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 04:03:27 *** Roujin [~chatzilla@mnch-5d860fa5.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:07:47 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5CC2B.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:18:35 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 04:19:58 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.9] has joined #openttd 04:30:17 *** michi_cc [80ff233d03@dude.icosahedron.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:40:32 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.9] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:05:38 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad103cf.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:23:47 *** michi_cc [7215ee085d@dude.icosahedron.de] has joined #openttd 05:23:50 *** mode/#openttd [+v michi_cc] by ChanServ 06:23:10 *** De_Ghosty [~s@69-196-169-121.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 06:28:48 *** De_Ghost [~s@69-196-169-121.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 06:31:15 *** De_Ghosty [~s@69-196-169-121.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:32:46 *** Wolle [R4R@p57B0EF88.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: http://www.lagerwiki.de - das Wiki rund um's Thema Lager und Logistik] 06:48:07 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@216-165-16-62.DYNAPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Quit: RS-SM] 06:55:40 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 06:55:40 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:55:44 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 07:25:16 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 07:31:45 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad51a6b.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 07:36:43 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 07:36:43 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:36:47 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 07:53:40 *** el_en [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has joined #openttd 07:56:07 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc2-rdng14-0-0-cust631.winn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 07:59:32 *** Yeggstry is now known as Yeggs-work 08:00:50 <planetmaker> morning 08:04:34 *** Mortomes [~mortomes@i15108.upc-i.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:07:18 <db48x> hello planetmaker 08:07:31 <planetmaker> hey db48x 08:07:53 <planetmaker> how's your sea-side towns going? :) 08:11:06 *** nfc [nfc@cable-hvk-fe7ede00-156.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 08:11:34 <db48x> well, I think 08:11:44 *** Timitry [83dc24f1@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 08:11:46 <planetmaker> :) nice to hear 08:11:47 <db48x> yexo schooled me in the intricate arts of the openttd coding style 08:12:17 <db48x> plus suggested an existing function that I could avoid rewriting 08:12:23 <db48x> which seemed like a plus 08:14:36 <Timitry> The standard Town-Road-Layout was changed from "Better Roads" back to "Original"? Why is that? 08:14:47 <Timitry> Or did i misread that? 08:20:49 *** Scuanor [~Scuanor@Pe918.p.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 08:28:56 *** el_en [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:29:46 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad51a6b.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:30:27 <db48x> Timitry: yea, looks like it 08:31:08 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad45694.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 08:32:48 <dihedral> morning 08:33:23 <db48x> howdy 08:33:44 <dihedral> how dih? dih good! 08:34:13 <db48x> :) 08:37:59 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 08:40:41 *** flowOver [~J@S01060016e65abad7.gv.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:43:47 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:43:47 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 08:43:49 <dihedral> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=41882 <- crap 08:45:50 <petern> probably done something wrong 08:46:14 <db48x> or 10.3.9 isn't supported any more (although if that's the case then it may have been inadvertant) 08:47:41 <dihedral> 10.3.9 afaik is supported... kinda 08:47:56 <dihedral> at least the universal binary is supposed to work on 10.3.9 - 10.5.x 08:48:30 <dihedral> petern, looks more like an 10.3.9 issue, rather than 'layer 8' 08:49:10 <db48x> I think I shall accquire a hamburger 08:51:39 <dihedral> http://vcs.openttd.org/svn/browser/trunk/src/video/cocoa/wnd_quartz.mm#L384 and http://vcs.openttd.org/svn/browser/trunk/src/video/cocoa/wnd_quartz.mm#L403 08:53:10 <Eddi|zuHause> it's been 100 years since a mister McDonald from New Hampshire introduced the hamburger 08:54:51 <dihedral> heh - those lines are ancient :-P 08:55:10 <dihedral> @openttd commit 11498 08:55:11 <DorpsGek> dihedral: Commit by egladil :: r11498 /trunk (5 files in 2 dirs) (2007-11-23 02:44:05 UTC) 08:55:12 <DorpsGek> dihedral: -Add [FS#1411]: [OSX] Added support for using Quartz instead of Quickdraw in windowed mode on OS X 10.4 and higher. Based on a patch by blackis. 08:55:24 <dihedral> petern, ^ 08:57:42 <dihedral> so since 0.6.0-beta2 nobody played openttd on os x 10.3.9 08:58:00 <dihedral> that is well worth supporting then :-P 08:58:27 <Eddi|zuHause> nobody played prebuilt nightly on 10.3.9 08:58:43 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 08:58:48 <dihedral> and no stables for 1.5 years 08:59:05 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... 08:59:55 <Eddi|zuHause> but remember the statement of Bjarni, the first mac release contained hardcoded path, so it could only ever work on his system, but none of the hundred downloaders ever complained that it did not work 09:00:21 <db48x> heh 09:08:11 <petern> dihedral: is it just a concidence that that is exactly 4000 revisions ago from his 'report'? 09:08:31 <petern> p.s. i don't care about OS X at all 09:13:04 <dihedral> of course you would not 09:13:10 <dihedral> would not have expected nothing else 09:13:13 <petern> good 09:13:21 <db48x> Eddi|zuHause: so how was that bug discovered? 09:13:44 <Eddi|zuHause> db48x: i have no idea 09:13:58 <Eddi|zuHause> that was before my time, and i have never had interest in mac 09:14:05 * db48x nods 09:14:16 <db48x> macs are pretty hard to care about 09:15:01 <Eddi|zuHause> well, they are as good a religion as any linux distribution ;) 09:15:07 <db48x> heh 09:15:20 <db48x> or text editor, I suppose 09:16:09 <db48x> I'm in more of a text-editor religion than an os religion 09:17:54 *** Lisby [~Lisby@nat-adm.tnb.aau.dk] has joined #openttd 09:19:51 <dihedral> petern, there are thankfully enough people who do kinda care about os x support ;-) 09:25:08 <Eddi|zuHause> am i dreaming things or did mister-my-computer-is-so-shit-it-crashes-when-playing-youtube-videos say that he overclocked his computer? 09:26:43 <db48x> haha 09:28:03 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F706.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:30:50 <dihedral> Eddi|zuHause, :-D 09:30:53 *** Lisby [~Lisby@nat-adm.tnb.aau.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:31:38 <dihedral> was that not the kid who said he cannot compile and that someone should abso-fucking-quickly make him a win32 bin? 09:31:47 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 09:31:54 <dihedral> you have a link for the thread 09:31:59 <dihedral> :-D 09:35:21 <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=765173#p765173 09:35:54 <petern> bwahaha 09:36:54 <KingJ> haha 09:39:21 <dihedral> his sig is agressive :-P 09:39:31 <petern> s/is sig/e/ 09:40:45 <dihedral> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=765157#p765157 <- yes - OpenTTD tries to use 3.2 GB memory 09:44:26 <dihedral> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=765434#p765434 09:45:14 <dihedral> that'll make him mad :-D 09:50:17 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad45694.bb.sky.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:50:53 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad45694.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 09:52:02 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:52:18 *** einKarl [~einKarl@91-66-180-201-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 09:55:28 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm31.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 10:00:40 *** einKarl [~einKarl@91-66-180-201-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:00:41 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 10:01:09 *** einKarl [~einKarl@91-66-180-201-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 10:03:47 *** einKarl [~einKarl@91-66-180-201-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:03:51 *** einKarl [~einKarl@91-66-180-201-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 10:08:11 <Tefad> that sounds about right dihedral 10:11:08 <SmatZ> ahhhh I have NekoMaster in my "Foes" list, now the thread makes much more sense :-) 10:11:55 *** Skiddles [~notme@cm31.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 10:12:50 <dihedral> :-D 10:13:05 <dihedral> thank you Skiddles - you made me want .... Skittles 10:13:08 <dihedral> :-( 10:13:19 <SmatZ> :-D 10:13:46 <Skiddles> http://singaporekid.marttila.de/stuff/mspaint/Skiddles.PNG 10:14:18 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8274A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:14:21 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 10:14:31 <SmatZ> mmmm :) 10:14:36 <Skiddles> http://singaporekid.marttila.de/stuff/gimp/skiddles.png 10:14:55 <SmatZ> nice nice :o) 10:15:06 <SmatZ> :-D 10:15:10 <murr4y> what's skiddles? 10:15:32 <Skiddles> Those pictures? They are a terrible ripoff of the packaging of skittles. 10:15:34 <Scuanor> °grins° can someone please compute how many "sprites" and grfs can be referenced with 32 bit? 10:15:39 <Eddi|zuHause> don't you know skittles? 10:15:46 <murr4y> no :p 10:16:05 <murr4y> hmm are they like m&m's 10:16:10 <Skiddles> They are small bite-sized candies which may contain traces of Singaporekids, it seems. 10:16:13 <Forked> so remind me.. how come that polite person calling himself nekomaster is still allowed on the forum? :p 10:16:14 <Eddi|zuHause> sprite limit is like 4 milliards 10:16:36 <murr4y> mmmm, singaporekids 10:16:43 <Scuanor> forked, well, he doesnt call himself nekRomaster, aye? ;o) 10:17:27 <Forked> refering to the X threads that has been pasted in here that he is active in :) 10:18:29 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm31.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:18:45 <dihedral> <Forked> so remind me.. how come that polite person calling himself nekomaster is still allowed on the forum? :p <-- ask orudge 10:18:46 <dihedral> :-P 10:18:49 <Scuanor> Forked: i "just" see it... and agree with you totally 10:19:09 <Forked> I ment to say "enlighten me" rather than "remind me" :-) 10:19:29 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 10:19:30 <Forked> dihedral: I try not to bug any admin anywhere :\ 10:19:34 <dihedral> Eddi|zuHause, 'milliards' ? 10:19:48 <Forked> since I know how annoying users can be :D 10:19:58 <Eddi|zuHause> that's how the whole world calls them 10:20:44 <dihedral> Forked, in this case it's not about users annoying admins but admins making sure other users are not annoyed by one user 10:20:45 <dihedral> :-P 10:20:57 <Forked> "use the ignore function" :) 10:21:46 <Scuanor> actually, its onyl used in france and germany widely 10:23:02 <Scuanor> Forked, sure, that would work, but only after you "have been" annoyed/abused already 10:23:33 <Forked> also seeing how I do not pay for a service, how can I be demanding anything at all? (like annoying people like myself being removed) 10:24:28 <Scuanor> hm... 10:25:57 <Scuanor> if it is a service, there would no need to demand it, as it is freely ( in this case ) given. service as in "serve" not "be on alert, waiting to be ordered/demanded to act" ? 10:26:51 <Scuanor> you dont go down to the receptionist at the ritz and ask/demand/beg them to clean up your room either, do you? ;o) 10:27:15 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 10:29:23 <Eddi|zuHause> "demanding" != "asking kindly" 10:31:34 <dihedral> Eddi|zuHause, it's billion ;-) 10:31:48 <Eddi|zuHause> no, a billion is a million million 10:32:08 <dihedral> (de) miliarde = (en) billion 10:32:36 <Eddi|zuHause> exactly, that's why i want to teach you the word ;) 10:32:45 <dihedral> ...? 10:32:58 <Gekz> your european numbers are no match for mainstream superior numbers 10:32:59 <Rubidium> for anything above a million either use SI prefixes or x.y * 10**z 10:33:04 <Eddi|zuHause> .. the bird bird bird... :p 10:33:07 <Scuanor> you cant however ask kindly for a billion dollars, thats just demanding ;o) 10:33:23 <dihedral> no it's not 10:35:38 * Rubidium wonders whether Obama is demanding of asking kindly for that trillion dollars 10:35:39 <dihedral> :-P 10:36:23 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: you just violated your own rule there ;) 10:37:40 *** Skiddles [~notme@cm31.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:37:59 <Rubidium> true, but I don't care whether it's the "European" or "American" trillion; both are enormous anyways 10:40:10 *** Roujin [~chatzilla@mnch-5d860ba9.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 10:40:11 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad45694.bb.sky.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:40:16 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad45694.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 10:40:25 <Roujin> morning 10:40:48 <dihedral> oi 10:41:08 *** GoneWacko [~GoneWacko@dhcp-077-249-197-241.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:41:31 <Roujin> Rubidium: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=765450#p765450 <-- hm? I do not fully understand what you mean.. 10:41:35 <Rubidium> Roujin: that's why set the last working version to something before beta1 10:41:56 *** GoneWacko [~GoneWacko@dhcp-077-249-197-241.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 10:42:20 <Rubidium> Roujin: that you the patches could be the precursor of two things 10:42:47 <Roujin> the second being? 10:43:41 <Rubidium> that's to keep the rumours alive ;) 10:44:16 <Roujin> you like to confuse people, don't you? :P 10:45:08 <dihedral> Roujin, not people, users :-D 10:45:53 <Roujin> would you prefer if I removed my post which is merely stating the obvious? :P 10:46:32 <petern> Eddi|zuHause: it's "considerably" less than 4,000,000,000 10:47:11 <Eddi|zuHause> 640k ought to be enough for anyone 10:47:17 <petern> Eddi|zuHause: it is limited to 24 bits as the extra bits are used as flags 10:47:36 <Eddi|zuHause> so, 16 million? 10:47:38 <petern> although only 4 bits currently, so it could be 28 bits wide. 10:47:39 <petern> yes 10:47:42 <petern> should be enough :D 10:47:56 <petern> a bit better than 16 thousand 10:48:11 <Eddi|zuHause> slightly ;) 10:49:00 <Eddi|zuHause> it's only 3 orders of magnitude ;) 10:53:43 *** smeding [smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 10:59:38 *** OwenS [~Akiramena@host86-164-125-149.range86-164.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 11:02:05 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 11:05:24 *** Roujin_ [~chatzilla@mnch-5d860ba9.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 11:06:15 *** energetic [~opera@ip82-139-119-221.lijbrandt.net] has left #openttd [] 11:07:05 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:08:52 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:10:25 *** energetic [~opera@ip82-139-119-221.lijbrandt.net] has joined #openttd 11:11:47 *** Roujin [~chatzilla@mnch-5d860ba9.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:12:22 *** kasper [~krhfngmoc@d594e04f.dsl.concepts.nl] has joined #openttd 11:12:44 <kasper> hey there 11:13:09 <kasper> im looking for the original Transport Tycoon deluxe maps, Are they available on OpenTTD? 11:13:48 <SmatZ> maps? use the old map generater when generating maps 11:13:49 <Eddi|zuHause> they are on your TTD cd 11:14:11 <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause: universal reply ;) 11:14:12 <Eddi|zuHause> i presume he means scenarios ;) 11:14:17 <SmatZ> ahh :) 11:14:37 <kasper> yeah i mean the scenario's :). im using the abandon ware version of TTD, no scenario's included 11:14:55 <Eddi|zuHause> there is no such thing as abandonware 11:14:58 <kasper> i have the cd somewhere... in a logitech case i got with a win95 pc :P.. but where.. 11:15:20 <kasper> well, they loose their rights after an X amount of years 11:15:34 <SmatZ> yeah, maybe after 50? :) 11:16:08 <Eddi|zuHause> 70 years after the death of the author 11:17:20 <Eddi|zuHause> which excludes practically every computer program ever written 11:17:59 <Eddi|zuHause> considering that computers themselves are hardly 70 years old 11:20:50 <kasper> we just celebrated the big 50 :) 11:21:06 <kasper> but can we download the old scenario;s somewhere? 11:21:20 <Eddi|zuHause> "we" can't 11:21:36 <Eddi|zuHause> they might be out there, but "we" do not know where 11:21:55 <kasper> ah, well.. then I know enough :) 11:23:04 *** kasper [~krhfngmoc@d594e04f.dsl.concepts.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:25:00 <Scuanor> nice guy though... 11:28:50 *** paul_ [~paul@host81-158-78-47.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 11:29:27 <KingJ> I've still got my TTD disk, good days 11:32:32 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host81-158-78-47.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:32:39 <KingJ> DOS version of course 11:33:45 <Eddi|zuHause> the dos version is better than the win version anyway 11:36:45 <Roujin_> what's better about it? 11:36:58 <Rubidium> moar colours 11:37:22 <KingJ> I remember when our win 95 computer broke, and was replaced with a win2k one that didn't work with TTD, I could no longer play pretty much the only game I played, until I found TTDP that was 11:42:14 *** lolman [~lolman@adsl-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:42:23 *** paul_ [~paul@host81-158-78-47.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:42:54 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host81-158-78-47.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 11:43:09 *** lolman [~lolman@adsl-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 11:45:06 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8274A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: icebears... take care of them!] 11:48:55 *** Scuanor [~Scuanor@Pe918.p.pppool.de] has quit [Quit: ( de-rezzing in 3...2...1... )] 11:49:04 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8274A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:49:07 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 11:49:56 <Eddi|zuHause> i played TTO most of the time, i didn't even know of TTD before i found TTDP 11:50:38 <petern> dos ttd misses some sprites 11:53:37 <Eddi|zuHause> there was something about wrong truck pictures, was that specific to one version? 11:57:21 <petern> no 12:02:32 <dihedral> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=765462#p765462 <- "i may look ugly" :-P 12:03:50 <Roujin_> rofl 12:03:56 <KingJ> See, my solution to that is magic bulldozer 12:04:33 <KingJ> I even put up warning signs saying "If you build here, you might be demolished in the future", but they just ignored me so they have to face the consequences 12:06:12 <Roujin_> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=765461#p765461 <--- "we are borg. resistance is futile" :D 12:07:30 <Eddi|zuHause> "our strength is our individuality, you cannot assimilate that" 12:08:09 <planetmaker> [13:06] <Roujin_> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=765461#p765461 <--- "we are borg. resistance is futile" :D <--- :D 12:08:28 <planetmaker> he... 12:12:10 *** Roujin__ [~chatzilla@mnch-5d860ba9.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 12:16:02 <dihedral> "There's nothing wrong with asking the community a few questions, but perhaps you're overdoing it here!" <- like that one :-P 12:18:01 *** Roujin_ [~chatzilla@mnch-5d860ba9.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:25:19 *** Roujin__ is now known as Roujin 12:34:37 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g228064238.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 12:36:15 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 12:36:39 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: from __future__ import antigravity] 12:39:07 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad45694.bb.sky.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:39:10 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad45694.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 12:41:46 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r15509 /trunk/src/window_gui.h: -Codechange: move definition of some Window methods to class definition 12:46:42 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.9] has joined #openttd 13:04:34 *** Fuco [dota.keys@wireless-249.fi.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 13:05:32 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 13:09:38 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:09:41 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:17:48 *** FauxFaux [faux@molotov.compsoc.warwick.ac.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:18:26 *** Roujin_ [~chatzilla@mnch-5d860ba9.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 13:20:57 *** sigmund [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 13:21:17 *** Netsplit resistance.oftc.net <-> testlink-nucular.oftc.net quits: sigmund_ 13:22:59 *** Roujin_ [~chatzilla@mnch-5d860ba9.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [] 13:24:34 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet567.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 13:25:02 *** Roujin [~chatzilla@mnch-5d860ba9.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:26:42 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:27:03 *** smallfly [~smallfly@p578F1F65.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:28:45 <smallfly> what do you think of a setting like "max landscape changes per month"? only the server admin can adjust this value. this way, its not possible that anybody joins a server and flattens all the area 13:29:55 <dihedral> this has been a problem for a very long time smallfly 13:30:13 <smallfly> where is the problem? 13:30:15 <dihedral> i remember running 0.5 servers and having players do that 13:30:23 <dihedral> it's a layer 8 issue 13:30:40 <smallfly> ahh ... *nothing-understood* 13:30:48 *** Spoons [faux@molotov.compsoc.warwick.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 13:30:58 <smallfly> so its not quite easy to implement, correct? 13:31:07 <dihedral> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Layer_8 13:33:49 <Sacro> dihedral: *snigger* 13:34:35 <dihedral> :-) 13:36:09 <smallfly> the problem maybe the user, not the system, but the system can avoid the problem by limiting the landscaping 13:38:25 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 13:38:38 *** smallfly [~smallfly@p578F1F65.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The alternative IRC client] 13:40:38 <glx> yeah "block" legit players because there are dumb stupid ones 13:40:38 <petern> limit the users 13:40:43 <petern> cut off their heads 13:40:58 <petern> MSVC doesn't like r15505 13:41:37 * glx checks 13:42:03 <petern> the use of this->grf 13:42:44 <SmatZ> [14:31:12] <dihedral> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Layer_8 <== hehe :) 13:43:05 <glx> ho the constructor? 13:43:25 <petern> yeah 13:43:58 <glx> easy to fix I think :) 13:44:09 <SmatZ> ahhh :( 13:44:23 <glx> I'm working on it :) 13:44:33 <Rubidium> and then fix cygwin ;) 13:44:47 <glx> I don't have cygwin 13:44:56 <SmatZ> glx: if you do non-primitive changes, maybe it would be worth to change order of variables in that struct... 13:45:04 <SmatZ> so it is 4 bytes smaller ;) 13:45:25 <SmatZ> I kept this order so constructor can be done this way (with "empty body") 13:45:44 <glx> oh it just warns 13:45:58 * glx though it was worse 13:46:03 <SmatZ> glx: byte / int arithmetics? 13:46:26 <glx> not 'this' in initialiser 13:46:32 <SmatZ> interesting 13:46:33 <glx> *no 13:47:21 <glx> removing "this->" is enough 13:48:33 <glx> but if we want to keep this, I can fill the body :) 13:48:53 <petern> http://fuzzle.org/~petern/ottd/r15505.diff 13:49:09 <petern> this "iff" obsession pisses me off 13:49:46 <glx> hehe, I prefer explicit terms too 13:50:30 <SmatZ> I prefer iff, it's exact and short 13:50:44 <petern> comments are for humans, not mathematicians 13:51:21 <SmatZ> it's better to initialised variables the way it was before - doesn't removing "this" help? 13:52:05 <glx> removing 'this' works, until someone readds it ;) 13:52:11 <Rubidium> but programming is a special kind of applied mathematics 13:52:48 <petern> i prefer just if, because, you know, that's how it's used in english 13:53:44 <SmatZ> the english used in programming isn't common english 13:54:42 <petern> "true if i went to the pub" means "true if i went to the pub, false if i didn't", not "true if i went to the pub, but might also just be true anyway" 13:55:17 <Rubidium> hmm 13:56:11 <Rubidium> lets replace "true" with "drunk" and "false" with "not drunk" 13:56:54 <petern> that's not the same 13:57:00 <petern> that's two conditions, we've only got *one* 13:57:04 <petern> true/false is not one of the conditions 13:57:12 <Forked> if I do this I get in trouble 13:59:24 *** NukeBuster|laptop [~opera@212-182-153-94.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 13:59:30 <SmatZ> "true iff cond." can be replaced by "true if cond., false otherwise" - but it's longer 13:59:35 <SmatZ> and it's better to be exact 13:59:41 <petern> false otherwise is implicit 13:59:56 <SmatZ> because there are cases when content of a variable is undefined 14:00:22 <petern> how does that affect boolean return values? 14:01:12 <SmatZ> for me, "iff" says I can be 'sure' about the return value 14:01:49 <petern> for me, "iff" says you pressed "f" too many times 14:02:06 <Rubidium> it implies that there will be a return value, whereas "true if cond" doesn't imply there's a return value for (some) false cases 14:02:12 <glx> if you are unsure about a boolean value then the condition is incorrect 14:02:15 <SmatZ> like, a sat solver ... if it returns true, it has a solution, if it returns false, I don't know if it has or doesn't 14:02:31 <SmatZ> but then I can have another solver that returns true if and only if a solution exists 14:04:00 *** TinoDid [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 14:04:44 <SmatZ> [14:49:14] <petern> this "iff" obsession pisses me off <== you aren't very polite 14:04:52 <SmatZ> that pisses me off 14:05:48 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:12:14 <Belugas> hellooo 14:12:30 <Belugas> no, not off, iff... 14:13:53 <petern> also 14:13:57 <petern> ror 0.36 has some great stuff in it 14:14:23 <Sacro> i need to try it 14:14:45 <Belugas> KingJ, thanks for impression on RDP, it worked quite well 14:14:50 <Belugas> and VPN is a breeze too 14:14:56 <Belugas> once yuou know where to look ;) 14:15:47 <glx> <@petern> ror 0.36 has some great stuff in it <-- I like the new gui 14:16:11 <glx> but cancel and the closing cross are just cosmetic stuff ;) 14:16:27 <petern> indeed 14:19:57 * Belugas might give it a try very soon 14:20:58 <KingJ> Glad to hear it worked Belugas 14:21:08 <KingJ> I really need to restore grub so I can boot my linux install again 14:22:07 <Belugas> last time i had trouble with grub, i prefered to re-install from scratch 14:22:20 <glx> petern: but it seems kenworth mirrors are "broken" 14:22:25 <Belugas> but you remind me i shall find the way to do a backup 14:23:26 <KingJ> Last time I had to do this, it wasn't difficult, I just had to boot a live CD and run some command 14:28:06 * Belugas will search tonigh these commands 14:28:09 <Belugas> and much more 14:36:37 <NukeBuster|laptop> KingJ: Isn't the only thing you have to do to restore grub "grub-install" or "/sbin/grub-install"? 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:p 15:34:23 <Rubidium> fine I am 15:35:47 <TrueBrain> good you is 15:38:37 <Belugas> there T hello B 15:38:45 * TrueBrain hugs Belugas :) 15:38:57 <Belugas> frrrrrrr frrrrrr frrrrrr 15:39:25 <TrueBrain> good boy :) 15:39:27 <TrueBrain> now roll over 15:40:47 * Belugas was doing a cat... not a dog! 15:40:52 <Forked> ew 15:40:55 <Belugas> since when do dogs furss???? 15:40:55 <TrueBrain> too bad :) 15:41:16 <Belugas> or purr> 15:41:19 <Belugas> i think it's purr 15:41:21 <Belugas> not furr 15:41:26 <TrueBrain> purr, yes :p 15:42:14 <Belugas> my "kitty" is a purr machine 15:42:45 <TrueBrain> haha, we don't want to know :p 15:42:49 <TrueBrain> really .. we don't :) 15:45:33 <Belugas> pffffitt! 15:45:51 *** einKarl [~einKarl@91-66-180-201-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:50:44 *** OsteHovel^EEE [~OsteHovel@062016205204.customer.alfanett.no] has joined #openttd 15:58:21 * db48x yawns 15:58:22 <db48x> howdy all 15:58:28 <TrueBrain> db48x: hi to you too 15:58:52 <db48x> what's hopping? 15:59:12 <Rubidium> a rabbit? 15:59:42 <db48x> I just know my wonderful patch has been checked in overnight, specifically as a surprise for me 15:59:44 <KingJ> A killer rabbit 16:00:14 <TrueBrain> I hate rabbits 16:00:42 <Rubidium> what patch? 16:01:02 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: what's wrong with rabbits? Their meat is quite lean 16:01:17 *** Zealotus [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 16:01:18 * db48x is crushed 16:01:25 <TrueBrain> so dead rabbits are good rabbits :p 16:03:35 * TrueBrain inflates db48x 16:04:18 <db48x> :) 16:07:23 <Belugas> what patch? 16:07:41 <TrueBrain> *echo* 16:07:42 <TrueBrain> hmm 16:07:47 * db48x yawns 16:07:47 <db48x> I think I woke up earlier than I should have 16:08:10 <db48x> Belugas: http://bugs.openttd.org/task/2635 16:09:44 <Belugas> it has? ho... good 16:10:08 <Belugas> it has? 16:10:22 * Belugas checks to upgrade his repos 16:11:27 <db48x> no, it hasn't 16:13:43 <db48x> Belugas, TrueBrain: do you guys know if there's anything else I need to do before that patch can be checked in? 16:13:43 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:13:53 <TrueBrain> pay the bills! :p 16:14:18 *** Mortomes [~mortomes@i15108.upc-i.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 16:14:22 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 16:14:58 <db48x> ah, bribery. a time-honored tradition 16:15:04 <TrueBrain> ;) 16:15:42 <Rubidium> db48x: a well written patch and a developer that is interested in it 16:15:44 <Belugas> 1) ask if we are interested, 2) wonder if the new place of the serach awater function is correclty located, 3) wonder if the comments are still valid, 4) verify over and over if it would not break i any way 5) wait until someone has interest enough to commit it 16:16:01 <dihedral> Rubidium, was just gonna say something along those lines :-P 16:16:18 <db48x> ok 16:16:18 *** Roest [~schurade@p54B9C62F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:16:23 <db48x> #1 is easy. 16:16:35 <db48x> are any of you guys interested? it makes boats better 16:16:37 <Rubidium> oh, and not being annoying helps too 16:16:44 <dihedral> :-P 16:16:58 <SmatZ> 6) be nice to all devs :-p 16:17:13 <db48x> Rubidium: thanks, I'll make a particular note of that ;) 16:17:16 <dihedral> db48x, you have posted it on bugs.openttd.org, and the devs are aware of your work - perhaps you might want to wait a little for them to find the time to look at it, and comment 16:17:44 <dihedral> and dont be annoyed if they dont think it is something they want to include 16:17:51 <TrueBrain> 7) bribe any developer (doesn't really help, but it is always nice :p) 16:17:53 <dihedral> just be open to either a yes or a no 16:18:02 *** Eoin [Eoin@92-233-181-117.cable.ubr08.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:18:20 <db48x> dihedral: heh, I've been around long enough to be able to manage that 16:18:34 <dihedral> being around long enough has nothing to do with that 16:18:55 <db48x> sure it does 16:18:57 <dihedral> there is a guy in the forums (first and last letter of his nick are also S Z) 16:19:07 <db48x> I've had patches refused enough times that I know it happens 16:19:15 <TrueBrain> also? 16:19:17 <dihedral> he has huge issues with understanding any rejection wrt his patches / ideas 16:19:19 <db48x> (obviously not for openttd, since I'm new here) 16:19:24 <db48x> ah 16:19:26 <dihedral> SmatZ has them too 16:19:33 <dihedral> and it's not SmatZ i am talking about ;-) 16:19:35 <TrueBrain> true 16:19:46 <SmatZ> dihedral: what? 16:19:51 <dihedral> 'S%sZ', irko 16:20:06 <Belugas> it's not SmatZ, big time... SmatZ rimes with Smart. the other one rimes with Psycho! 16:20:15 <SmatZ> hehe 16:20:28 <TrueBrain> Belugas: good point 16:20:44 <Sacro> sirkoz? 16:20:59 <TrueBrain> Sacro: ever managed to get that VM online? 16:21:05 <Sacro> what VM? 16:21:10 <dihedral> Sacro, well done for making a google-able string 16:21:20 <Sacro> dihedral: danke 16:21:22 <Sacro> er 16:21:28 * TrueBrain gives Sacro a bit of memory-loss 16:21:28 <Sacro> dankë 16:21:34 <dihedral> the Vindows Manager :-P 16:21:42 <Sacro> oh that VM 16:21:43 <dihedral> nada, Sacro 16:21:49 <Sacro> errm, yes, i belive it was online 16:21:55 <dihedral> _was_ hehe 16:21:58 <db48x> as for testing, I've generated hundreds of maps in various configurations, and none of them were ever broken 16:21:59 *** TinoDid is now known as TinoDidriksen 16:22:13 <dihedral> db48x, just be patient 16:22:15 <TrueBrain> Sacro: as in: did it boot? As I can't get passed the boot :( 16:22:21 <db48x> so that's cool 16:22:25 <Sacro> TrueBrain: you need a patched KVM install 16:22:37 * TrueBrain makes db48x a bit hotter (insert url of Jessica Alba here) 16:22:40 <Belugas> the idea of the feature is not bad, db48x. Honestly. From my point of view anyway... 16:22:50 <TrueBrain> Sacro: no, my question was very specific limited to VirtualBox, we talked about that :) 16:22:52 <db48x> Belugas: cool 16:22:55 <Sacro> oh bah 16:22:59 <Belugas> i can't totally judge of the efficiency of the code though 16:23:01 <Sacro> ah yes we did 16:23:05 <Sacro> i need to try VBox again 16:23:07 <dihedral> and 'extensive testing' is something every patch creator thinks he/she has done, yet there often enough is some kind of situation they did not think of / test 16:23:10 <db48x> Belugas: it's inefficient 16:23:10 <Rubidium> db48x: that's something that has been told many many times and many times that was not the case 16:23:17 <db48x> Rubidium: heh 16:23:34 <TrueBrain> there is no test than the real world test :) 16:23:43 <TinoDidriksen> Don't you have a regression test suite by now? 16:23:47 <dihedral> Rubidium, i beat you to it this time :-P 16:24:10 <TrueBrain> TinoDidriksen: yeah, that covers all problems .. the past and the future ... lol :p 16:24:15 <db48x> Belugas: it's essentially O(n^3) 16:24:27 <dihedral> db48x, ask openttdcoop, perhaps they are interested enough to host a few games on their dev server, however - dont annoy them 16:24:27 <dihedral> :-P 16:24:30 <Sacro> heh 16:24:33 <Sacro> n^3 is fine 16:24:35 <dihedral> ask them friendly, dont bug them 16:24:40 <Sacro> i've done 3n^4 code before 16:24:46 <db48x> nice 16:24:53 <db48x> dihedral: good idea 16:25:19 <dihedral> sure it's a good idea.... it came from me 16:25:23 * dihedral coughs 16:25:30 <TrueBrain> Sacro: and I did O(n^n) .. your point? :p 16:25:38 <db48x> dihedral: :) 16:25:40 <Sacro> TrueBrain: ouch 16:25:55 <TrueBrain> *insert random comment here* 16:26:15 <Rubidium> db48x: did you know that your patch breaks town alignment in case of 2x2 and 3x3 grids? 16:26:58 <db48x> hmm 16:27:08 <TrueBrain> bye bye intensively tested :p 16:27:09 <TrueBrain> (sorry :)) 16:27:14 <db48x> I suspected that might be important to maintain 16:27:56 <TrueBrain> some girl living next door has the most annoying laugh I know .... :s Can I tell her to leave, or is that rude? :p 16:28:25 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 16:28:29 <Rubidium> yes to both? 16:28:59 <TrueBrain> :) 16:30:27 <Rubidium> though there might be other solutions 16:31:33 <TrueBrain> kill her? 16:31:34 <TrueBrain> drown her? 16:31:38 <TrueBrain> duct-tape her mouth? 16:31:44 <TrueBrain> put a brick in her mouth? 16:31:46 <dihedral> no - that would not be enough 16:31:54 <TinoDidriksen> Just make sure her mouth is too busy to talk. 16:32:07 <dihedral> you can still make sounds!!!! 16:32:44 <Rubidium> http://www.google.com/search?q=most+annoying+laugh <- might help making it not the most annoying laugh you know 16:32:54 <db48x> haha 16:33:23 * TrueBrain slaps Rubidium with a linux manual 16:33:52 <dihedral> since when can linux manuals laugh? 16:34:04 <Rubidium> oh dear, TrueBrain's starting to use imaginary things 16:34:14 <TrueBrain> I believe someone (with the name of dihedral) needs glasses 16:34:15 <db48x> Rubidium: so, I had tested my patch with all the town layout options, and never noticed anything amiss. What happens to the towns when they are not located on the grid? 16:34:15 <dihedral> i am surprised he needs one 16:34:22 <dihedral> actually - that does make me laugh :-D 16:34:38 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: :p 16:35:27 <TrueBrain> and do you know what makes me laugh? 16:35:32 <Rubidium> db48x: towns will build roads through eachother 16:35:36 <Rubidium> N2O? 16:36:01 <TrueBrain> I wonder if dihedral can guess 16:36:33 <dihedral> the girl next door? 16:36:44 <db48x> Rubidium: ah 16:36:51 <TrueBrain> @kick dihedral no silly, this of course! 16:36:51 *** dihedral was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [no silly, this of course!] 16:36:53 <TrueBrain> sigh .. 16:36:58 *** dihedral [~dih@vs241204.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 16:37:17 <dihedral> ah 16:37:19 <dihedral> well - yes 16:37:25 <TrueBrain> :) 16:37:25 <dihedral> i could have guessed that one 16:37:32 <Rubidium> that's the so called happykicking 16:37:34 * dihedral hugs TrueBrain 16:37:35 <db48x> Rubidium: I guess I haven't played games to completion on every layout setting :) 16:37:35 <TrueBrain> yup :) 16:37:39 <TrueBrain> and you should have guessed it ;) 16:37:46 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: the only one I know :p 16:37:56 <db48x> Rubidium: thanks for pointing it out, it's easy to fix 16:38:23 <dihedral> TrueBrain, i dont believe you - you know other kicks 16:38:37 <dihedral> esp when someone like yorki-proki is here 16:38:43 <dihedral> *porki 16:42:02 <TrueBrain> dihedral: still the same kind of kicks 16:42:06 <TrueBrain> I don't really know any others ... :) 16:42:47 <dihedral> TrueBrain, take a vacuum cleaner, turn it on to full power, and stick the end to her nose or mouth 16:42:52 <dihedral> that'll stop her laugh 16:43:09 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i59F5F3D9.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 16:43:25 <TrueBrain> yeah, closing my door helps too 16:43:29 <TrueBrain> but tnx for the tip 16:43:45 <dihedral> + you'd get to see a very funny face, and huge eyes 16:44:55 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5F3D9.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 16:45:09 <Belugas> hooo... and if she's nasty, she might ask to put it somewhere else. And the door will be closed pretty fast too 16:45:24 <TrueBrain> Belugas: ieuw! 16:45:48 <TrueBrain> even more, as on a scale of 0 to 10, I will give her a -15 for prettiness .... 16:46:17 <dihedral> Belugas, you are married - leave your dirty thoughts at home please :-D 16:46:27 <TrueBrain> oh well, dinner time :) Bye all :) 16:46:31 <dihedral> enjoy 16:46:31 *** TrueBrain [truebrain@openttd.org] has left #openttd [So long and tnx for all the fish] 16:49:07 <Belugas> well... does not apply to me... i've got my own fantasms, which are not to be discussed ;) 16:50:23 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g228064238.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 16:50:23 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g228064238.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:50:24 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 16:55:29 <dihedral> Belugas, at least i thank you for the last part of that line :-P 16:57:51 *** el_en [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has joined #openttd 16:58:33 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:58:50 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 17:05:14 <db48x> Rubidium: thanks, I've fixed it 17:05:19 <db48x> Rubidium: http://db48x.net/temp/Unnamed,%201st%20Jan%201950%236.png 17:05:25 <db48x> is there anything else you can think of? 17:05:40 <Rubidium> dinner :) 17:07:02 <db48x> :) 17:11:10 <db48x> now that I think about it, I suppose it is lunch time 17:11:38 <planetmaker> enjoy you dinner :) 17:11:55 <planetmaker> ... and lunch :) 17:12:01 <db48x> thank you 17:13:05 * planetmaker is looking forward to Sushi which I'll have for dinner :) 17:13:21 <planetmaker> but two hours to go... 17:19:02 *** xahodo is now known as xahodo|afk 17:19:43 * db48x improves his debugging 17:22:34 <db48x> http://db48x.net/temp/Unnamed,%201st%20Jan%201950%239.png 17:27:28 <db48x> I'm not very fond of sushi, but whatever floats your boat :) 17:27:44 <SpComb> dinstance-from-water? 17:29:20 <db48x> yes, the numbers show the distance 17:30:13 <db48x> the idea is to pick a spot that is sufficiently far from the coast that it will have some room to grow, while not putting the town so far from the coast that your docks can't reach 17:34:40 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fdb4a.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 17:35:52 *** OsteHovel^EEE [~OsteHovel@062016205204.customer.alfanett.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:39:46 *** OsteHovel^EEE [~OsteHovel@062016205204.customer.alfanett.no] has joined #openttd 17:46:15 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 17:51:09 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r15510 /trunk/src/lang/ (12 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) 17:51:09 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2009-02-17 17:50:34 17:51:09 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: croatian - 22 fixed by tifached (22) 17:51:09 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: czech - 20 fixed by joeprusa (19), miris2009 (1) 17:51:09 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: english_US - 81 changed by WhiteRabbit (81) 17:51:11 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: hungarian - 1 changed by alyr (1) 17:51:13 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: korean - 3 fixed by darkttd (3) 17:55:34 *** xahodo|afk is now known as xahodo 17:59:31 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 18:05:02 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:05:12 *** Hirundo is now known as Swallow 18:11:33 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:16:22 <dihedral> no no no no no! planetmaker! seriously! 18:16:28 * dihedral slaps planetmaker's hand 18:16:35 <planetmaker> uh? 18:16:38 <dihedral> bad word... very bad word! you naughty boy 18:16:39 <dihedral> :-D 18:16:58 <Belugas> dihedral is drunk... 18:17:08 <planetmaker> :P 18:17:15 <dihedral> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=765515#p765515 18:17:25 <dihedral> i am not Sir Belugas 18:17:41 <planetmaker> :D Ah, that word :) The dreaded "r" - word ;) 18:18:17 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 18:18:27 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:18:27 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 18:18:29 <dihedral> yeah - the forums should be modded to star that word out, just like f*** 18:18:37 <planetmaker> well. But it's the few places where it doesn't hurt. 18:18:46 <Elukka> you know what i think is silly 18:18:51 <Elukka> when people write f*** 18:18:54 <Elukka> everyone knows what it means 18:18:55 <planetmaker> Maybe I should have written "looks better", though 18:19:04 <planetmaker> :) 18:19:46 <dihedral> E****a what's your point? 18:20:43 <Elukka> that there is no point in f*** 18:20:55 <planetmaker> it's fun? 18:20:57 <planetmaker> :D 18:21:05 <dihedral> s*** t**** i* 18:21:23 <planetmaker> without we wouldn't be here :P 18:21:30 <Rubidium> **** *** **** ** ****** 18:21:44 <Elukka> **** ** ***** 18:21:45 <dihedral> i cannot make out the last word in that one 18:21:54 <Forked> ¯\(º_o)/¯ 18:22:05 <planetmaker> :P 18:22:13 <dihedral> Forked, <- s/F/b/ 18:22:31 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has joined #openttd 18:22:32 <Forked> pffft 18:22:37 <dihedral> HAHA 18:22:39 <dihedral> :-P 18:22:52 <Elukka> also, in case you agree that evolution is cool: http://www.swimbots.com/ 18:23:04 <dihedral> no i dont 18:24:14 <planetmaker> evolution is. inevitable :) 18:24:21 <dihedral> no it's not 18:25:29 <Elukka> yeah, you could kill everything 18:25:33 <Elukka> in which case it would not happen :P 18:25:34 <planetmaker> care to elaborate on how, given ressources and space are limited? 18:26:04 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks1.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 18:26:04 <Elukka> http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z113/Elucca/genepool.png?t=1234895152 18:26:14 <Elukka> its fun to watch them go over the carrying capacity 18:26:21 <Elukka> then most die and only the best survive 18:26:36 <dihedral> according to science, bumble bees cannot even fly 18:26:52 <dihedral> they are totally out of proportion 18:26:52 <planetmaker> long proven wrong, dihedral 18:26:55 <Elukka> they cant? 18:27:10 <Elukka> them flying is sufficient scientific proof that they in fact can 18:27:11 <planetmaker> it just needs understanding of turbulence 18:27:21 <dihedral> :-P 18:28:08 <dihedral> anyway - i do not believe in evolution ;-) 18:28:12 <planetmaker> I'm still waiting for a reason to support 'no' :) 18:28:15 <dihedral> and now i need to head out :) 18:28:17 <Elukka> personally, i dont believe in gravity 18:28:56 <Belugas> blup blup 18:28:57 <dihedral> personally i believe in the bible, etc. etc. - what you think about that is none of mine! ;-) 18:29:07 <planetmaker> but gravity's a hardless bitch ;) 18:29:17 <Elukka> point is, evolution and gravity both happen, whether you believe in them or not 18:29:20 <planetmaker> dihedral: the bible doesn't contradict sience and evolution :) 18:29:29 <dihedral> esp in the evenings when gravity has an affect on your eyelids :-P 18:29:34 <planetmaker> besides what Elukka sais... 18:30:12 <dihedral> Elukka, same argument for the existence of God - however, most people dont believe in his existance 18:30:41 <Belugas> the bible is a book 18:30:47 <Belugas> the book falls on your toes 18:30:57 <Belugas> gravity has hurt you 18:31:02 <Elukka> the difference is that there is indisputable proof for gravity and evolution 18:31:08 <planetmaker> ^^ 18:31:33 <dihedral> Elukka, none the less - if i dont want to believe in it, it does not mean it does not exists - it only makes it easier to 'believe' in it 18:32:02 <Elukka> quick question: do you understand how evolution works? 18:32:12 <dihedral> if a girl tells you, she loves you - you want proof, or you trust and believe her? 18:32:13 <planetmaker> Scientific statements can be verfied by observation. Both gravity and evolution are found to take place. Believe doesn't need that proof. 18:32:42 <planetmaker> dihedral: but to say "I believe in it _not_ existing" on proof of the opposit - that's stupid. 18:32:49 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x3ef3a188.virnxx14.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 18:32:52 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 18:32:56 <dihedral> oh my gosh 18:32:59 <dihedral> look at that 18:33:01 <el_en> it's...! 18:33:06 <dihedral> snap 18:33:10 * dihedral hugs Bjarni 18:33:10 <Prof_Frink> BJARNI! 18:33:10 <el_en> can't remember what it is anymore! 18:33:15 <Elukka> evolution and gravity are both theories based on observed facts 18:33:17 <Sacro> zomg a BJARNI :D 18:33:25 <el_en> @seen Bjarni 18:33:25 <DorpsGek> el_en: Bjarni was last seen in #openttd 5 weeks, 3 days, 23 hours, 4 minutes, and 20 seconds ago: <Bjarni> hi Wolf01 18:33:27 <planetmaker> Bjarni: ! :) 18:33:46 <Belugas> agreed: arguments against evolution are mostly based on "It's not on the Bible" 18:33:55 <dihedral> Bjarni, just in case you have not picked up on this - you have been missed a huge bit 18:33:56 <Belugas> therefor bigotry 18:34:09 <Bjarni> last time you claimed not to remember me. Looks like you guys got a memory upgrade :) 18:34:24 <Sacro> Bjarni: i'm now a paid up apple user :D 18:34:30 <Belugas> hello Bjarni 18:34:46 * Bjarni takes a round and greets everybody 18:34:50 <el_en> Bjarni! 18:34:55 <dihedral> ok - i will rephrase: i do not believe in 'evolution' being the sole part of the creation of this and other planets, nor what is / is not upon them 18:35:07 <Bjarni> ... 18:35:08 <Elukka> evolution has nothing to do with planets 18:35:12 <dihedral> and / or around them 18:35:16 <Elukka> it has everything to do with life, though 18:35:20 <Bjarni> some creationistic bigot ended up here??? 18:35:35 <Elukka> i suggest you read what evolution really is and how it works 18:35:37 <planetmaker> Bjarni: it's a well know character here... 18:35:45 <Elukka> it's kinda impossible to say it does not happen if you know how and why it works 18:35:48 <Bjarni> Sacro? 18:35:54 <planetmaker> dihedral: 18:36:01 <Forked> heya Bjarni 18:36:05 <Sacro> Bjarni: i'm using a macbook these days 18:36:11 <dihedral> Elukka, i know what evolution is 18:36:14 <dihedral> dont you worry 18:36:20 <Elukka> what is it? 18:36:24 <el_en> what does she say after the slap, i can't quite decode all the words: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoGfj0KKazg 18:36:26 * Bjarni could use a MacBook 18:36:41 <planetmaker> what happened to yours, Bjarni ? 18:36:49 <dihedral> Bjarni, there are some fun bugs ;-) 18:37:10 * planetmaker has some code which Bjarni might help me with 18:37:21 <Belugas> see, he's eluding the question :) 18:37:37 <Elukka> i've never seen anyone who understands evolution say it doesnt happen 18:38:49 <Bjarni> el_en: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQt-h753jHI <-- if you are in word decode mode, then try this one :D 18:38:54 <dihedral> i dont agree with it to a certain depth 18:39:24 <Belugas> which one? 18:39:26 <dihedral> i.e. cross species: no 18:39:31 *** Muxy [~Muxy@smtp.bdelalande.net] has joined #openttd 18:39:34 <Belugas> why? 18:39:34 <dihedral> within: yes 18:39:35 <Elukka> cross species what? 18:39:47 <Elukka> species are a classification made up by humans 18:39:48 *** Muxy [~Muxy@smtp.bdelalande.net] has left #openttd [] 18:39:52 <Bjarni> <planetmaker> what happened to yours, Bjarni ? <-- I never had a MacBook 18:39:55 <Elukka> when beings are different enough we call them a different species 18:40:03 <Bjarni> I have a PowerBook though 18:40:18 <dihedral> Elukka, that is still a part i do not agree with ;-) 18:40:23 <Elukka> wait 18:40:26 <dihedral> i.e. fish -> bird! 18:40:27 <Bjarni> but somehow 100 MHz isn't as impressive today as it was in 1996 :~( 18:40:34 <Elukka> what exactly dont you agree with? 18:40:35 <dihedral> Bjarni, LOL 18:40:40 <Elukka> that species change? 18:40:51 <dihedral> i just stated what i dont agree with! 18:40:53 <dihedral> read 18:41:01 <Belugas> but you did not said why 18:41:02 <Elukka> fish have not evolved into birds 18:41:24 <Elukka> well, depends on what you call a fish, i guess... 18:42:00 <Bjarni> I have heard about flying fish 18:42:02 <Elukka> many people seem to think a species is a more or less permanent type of animal that can then quickly evolve into another more or less permanent species 18:42:04 <Belugas> unless he means that we do not descend from primal apes? 18:42:05 <Elukka> if that makes any sense 18:42:14 *** Phoenix_the_II [~ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:42:21 <Bjarni> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_fish 18:43:32 <Elukka> really, the basics of evolution are simple 18:43:34 *** OsteHovel^EEE [~OsteHovel@062016205204.customer.alfanett.no] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:43:43 <Bjarni> There is one thing I really don't understand when we talk about evolution and that is how can people reject it? 18:44:04 <petern> what 18:44:07 <el_en> what does she say after the slap, i can't quite decode all the GERMAN words: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoGfj0KKazg 18:44:09 <petern> an unbeliever of evolution 18:44:10 <petern> lol 18:44:13 <petern> bwahahahhaa 18:44:24 <Elukka> it is the same as saying "i dont believe in gravity" 18:44:26 <petern> evolution doesn't need belief, it just is 18:44:33 <Bjarni> yeah 18:44:42 <Prof_Frink> Elukka: Gravity is a myth. 18:44:48 <Bjarni> but somebody in here talks against evolution 18:44:54 <Prof_Frink> This planet just sucks. 18:45:04 <planetmaker> [19:39] <Bjarni> <planetmaker> what happened to yours, Bjarni ? <-- I never had a MacBook <--- oh :S 18:45:04 <Bjarni> and he is sitting over there ---> (points to the client list) 18:45:28 <Elukka> nowadays, we can actually see the mechanisms that drive evolution 18:45:31 <frosch123> el_en: "hat der sie noch alle - vollidiot, ey" 18:45:34 <Elukka> which is only further proof 18:45:44 <Elukka> we know what happens 18:46:01 *** OsteHovel^EEE [~OsteHovel@062016205204.customer.alfanett.no] has joined #openttd 18:46:01 <planetmaker> ggrrrr @ Bjarni 18:46:10 <dihedral> i talk against evolution in the broad theory that, e.g. from fish to frog to bird thingy (and i do know a bunch of people who believe that) 18:46:12 <Bjarni> what? 18:46:25 <Bjarni> planetmaker: what did I do? 18:46:47 <Belugas> dihedral, since when believing in something makes it valid? 18:46:48 <planetmaker> [19:45] <Bjarni> and he is sitting over there ---> (points to the client list) <-- I guess I got this comment wrong :) 18:47:02 <planetmaker> putting it into the wrong context :) 18:47:02 <Elukka> dihedral, your belief that evolution does not happen is not based on rational proof 18:47:16 *** GoneWacko [~GoneWacko@dhcp-077-249-197-241.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:47:29 <planetmaker> anyway, got2go. Dinner. CU later. 18:47:38 <Belugas> "and God created the world in six days" 18:47:39 <Bjarni> planetmaker: it's about evolution and I didn't think of you when I wrote it :P 18:47:51 <Elukka> so, dihedral 18:47:54 <Elukka> how do you think evolution works? 18:47:56 <planetmaker> he :) 18:48:00 <dihedral> Elukka, i have no issue with the thought of evolution taking place to a certain extent 18:48:06 <Belugas> fuck... i wonder who created the galaxies... 18:48:09 <Elukka> how do you think evolution works? 18:48:09 <Prof_Frink> Elukka: Chuck Norris. 18:48:09 *** Prof_Frink was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [Prof_Frink] 18:48:15 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5ad4623c.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 18:48:32 <glx> lol it works well :) 18:48:32 <Prof_Frink> Ow. 18:48:46 <el_en> frosch123: danke 18:48:47 <frosch123> \o/ 18:48:53 <dihedral> and why do you have an issue with what i believe or do not believe? 18:49:02 <Rubidium> I wonder how god was created... 18:49:06 <Elukka> you didnt answer my question 18:49:12 <Bjarni> <Elukka> how do you think evolution works? <-- now he will give you a link to the movie called evolution where Will Smith tries to stop it (or whatever it was about) 18:49:27 <Elukka> no, i think he'll just keep avoiding the question :P 18:49:28 <dihedral> Elukka, i dont feel the need to engage 18:49:38 <Belugas> because we are all pain in the buts, and not only about forums users :D 18:49:57 <dihedral> lol 18:49:59 <Bjarni> dihedral: it's an issue because it reveals a lack of understanding of how the world works 18:50:08 * petern watches his thingys trying to reproduce in genepool 18:50:10 <Elukka> ok just read that 18:50:10 <Elukka> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution 18:50:13 <Elukka> this* 18:50:22 <Elukka> maybe you'll understand how it works afterwards 18:50:32 <thingwath> "world works"? that's a best joke I heard today :/ 18:51:06 <Bjarni> thingwath: bad day, I guess 18:51:06 <Prof_Frink> Hold on, isn't discussing realism banned? Does that include realism of reality? 18:51:33 <Bjarni> and now I remember why I stopped opening IRC 18:51:52 <Bjarni> it always ends up taking time talking about bullshit >.< 18:51:54 <Elukka> in my opinion, gravity does not happen because it is not included in the holy game of ttd 18:52:02 <Belugas> [13:29] <dihedral> anyway - i do not believe in evolution ;-) <--- but you did venture on that ground ;) 18:52:09 <dihedral> if that were the only thing you stopped, it would not be as bad 18:52:36 <dihedral> Belugas, you think i will write down each little detail of my beliefes? 18:52:42 * db48x yawns 18:52:47 <Elukka> how about we talk again once he has read that wikipedia article on evolution? 18:53:03 *** Prof_Frink was kicked from #openttd by Belugas [Atchoooom!!! oooops.. sorry.... r world allergy] 18:53:18 <dihedral> how about you, kiddo, read the bible, i read the that document, and then we continue the discussion 18:53:34 <Elukka> how about you read the qur'an? 18:53:37 <Elukka> (just as irrelevant) 18:53:43 <petern> the bible is great 18:53:47 <petern> a lovely piece of fiction 18:53:48 <Belugas> i did read the bible!!! Can I speal? 18:53:55 <Belugas> -l+k 18:53:56 <thingwath> (and I will not read the backlog, great.) 18:53:56 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5ad4623c.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 18:53:57 <petern> full of sex and violence 18:53:58 <db48x> reversing the flow of traffic without killing anyone is exciting 18:54:00 <dihedral> i know you did Belugas 18:54:00 <Prof_Frink> Ow. 18:54:09 <Belugas> hello sweety 18:54:15 <petern> oh, and full of bigotry too 18:54:17 <Elukka> it's pointless to talk of evolution when you are willingly ignorant 18:54:25 <petern> tip 18:54:31 <petern> never come out to people on the internet as a bible follower 18:54:33 <Belugas> tut tut tut... that's ruder... 18:54:41 <petern> because you will forever be seen as a stupid idiot 18:54:46 <Bjarni> <nirv> i got kicked out of barnes and noble once for moving all the bibles into the fiction section 18:54:54 <dihedral> Elukka, it does not make sense to try to base an argument on a not fully detailed status of my beliefe 18:55:53 <Elukka> you detailed it enough to say you dont believe in the theory of evolution 18:56:12 <dihedral> sorry, but i do not feel like either you understand where i come from, not to what extent i accept / do not accept the / some thoughts / theories of evolution as has been expressed in one way or another 18:56:32 <dihedral> *nor 18:56:34 <Elukka> it doesnt make sense to cherrypick from established facts the ones you like 18:56:44 <Elukka> i still say read that article i linked 18:57:13 <Belugas> dihedral : would you rather said we (as human) are coming from primal apes who themselves are coming from smaller mammals who are descending from even more primitive dinosaurus (etc...) up unti the small in-sea-cells ? 18:57:27 <dihedral> if you want to believe that you have me / my beliefes figured, i will not hinder you 18:57:30 <Belugas> or do you believe we just appeared as a sudden on hearth? 18:57:46 <Prof_Frink> We're on fire? Aaaaaaaaaaargh! 18:57:48 <Bjarni> dihedral: you didn't answer my question. Can you explain how it can be that you don't believe in evolution? 18:58:13 <petern> so adam and eve? 18:58:19 <dihedral> yep 18:58:20 <dihedral> that 18:58:24 <Prof_Frink> It's always been too windy. 18:58:27 <Elukka> honestly, i dont see the point in arguing with him about evolution as long as he is unwilling to learn and understand it 18:58:29 <petern> great 18:58:35 <petern> we're all inbred 18:58:49 <Alberth> wasn't there a lovely episode about believing in Star trek voyager? 18:58:49 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:58:54 <dihedral> Elukka, i dont mind what you consider worthy or unworthy 18:59:02 <Belugas> ok... so it would imply that dihedral believes in evolution for all the other species but humanity 18:59:04 <Belugas> right? 18:59:07 <dihedral> what counts to me, is what is written in that book i doubt you like 18:59:13 <petern> aww, the topic doesn't say "no idiots" still :( 18:59:17 <Belugas> lol 18:59:17 <Elukka> it's the same thing as me arguing the theory of relativity with someone who fully understands it 18:59:18 <dihedral> Belugas, no 18:59:19 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 18:59:21 <Elukka> there would be no point 18:59:21 *** mikl [~mikl@90.184.195.93] has joined #openttd 18:59:44 <Belugas> dihedral : so... we do are descendants of primal apes? 18:59:48 <petern> so, earth... centre of the universe? 18:59:51 <Bjarni> dihedral: how old is the planet that you live on? 19:00:12 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 19:00:52 * Elukka braces for arguments based on feeling instead of evidence 19:02:57 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host114-234-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 19:03:15 <Wolf01> hello 19:03:34 <Prof_Frink> http://alanblanchflower.co.uk/images/bus.jpg 19:03:42 <petern> :D 19:04:51 <OsteHovel^EEE> is it posible to turn off the display of monney and the bar at the bottom of the screen? 19:05:34 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:05:35 <dihedral> Elukka, where would be the point of faith if it were based on evidence? 19:05:43 *** const86 [~const@tower.mimas.ru] has quit [Quit: I'll be back] 19:05:43 <SmatZ> OsteHovel^EEE: without editing sources, there isn't (as far as I remember) - why whould you want to do so? 19:05:47 <Elukka> where is the point? 19:06:02 <petern> dihedral: DING 19:06:06 <petern> there is not point in faith 19:06:07 <OsteHovel^EEE> becouse im gonna display monney and date on another display(Character display) 19:06:11 <petern> *no 19:06:15 <OsteHovel^EEE> (80x4 LCD display) 19:06:24 <SmatZ> nice :) 19:06:26 <dihedral> if that then should be the case, i have not lost anything ;-) 19:06:45 <Elukka> so 19:06:55 <Elukka> why do you refuse to learn about evolution? 19:07:03 <SmatZ> OsteHovel^EEE: have a look at toolbar_gui.cpp, the widget is called xxx_RIGHT (I think) 19:07:08 <OsteHovel^EEE> ok 19:07:08 <OsteHovel^EEE> tnx 19:07:34 <dihedral> Elukka, why do you assume i would not be familiar with evolution 19:07:36 *** const86 [~const@tower.mimas.ru] has joined #openttd 19:07:54 <Elukka> your refusal of parts of the theory shows a lack of understanding 19:07:54 <SmatZ> OsteHovel^EEE: sorry, statusbar_gui.cpp :-x 19:07:54 <dihedral> Belugas here is familiar with the bible, yet he is not a believer / christian / whatever you want to call it 19:08:00 <OsteHovel^EEE> Ok i will check 19:08:07 <dihedral> that to me does not say he has a lack of understanding 19:08:22 <dihedral> he infact knows a huge lump of stuff 19:08:25 <Elukka> the bible does not contain indisputable scientific proof of anything 19:08:27 <Elukka> it's different 19:08:29 <dihedral> and it's not ignorance 19:08:36 <frosch123> obviously the theory of evolution is wrong, else something as stupid as the human race would not have survived that long 19:08:40 <Elukka> ok then, you say you understand it 19:08:46 <Elukka> again, please tell me how evolution works? 19:09:13 <dihedral> and stop trying to 'prove' anyhow that i dont 19:09:19 <Elukka> you refuse to show that you do 19:10:03 <Elukka> you say you understand evolution, yet you refuse to demonstrate that you do 19:10:31 <Belugas> to me, the Bible shold be a moral guide, at least Christ's teaching. The rest are merely a collection of legends 19:11:18 <Belugas> but taking the book as a whole to believe in is not sane, since that book was not originally a whole. It was forged over by by the believes of men. 19:11:23 <dihedral> Elukka, if everything to you is based on proof - then i am sorry, but i am no where required to 'prove' anything ;-) 19:11:29 <Rubidium> evolution: recursive memory corruption 19:11:32 <SmatZ> frosch123: you never know how far we are from our end :-x I hope at least several hundreds years... (but how?) 19:11:43 <Belugas> therefor, believeing in creationism is taking the words out of their contexts and so on 19:11:48 <Elukka> ... 19:12:22 <Elukka> then there's no reason for me to believe that you understand evolution 19:12:29 <dihedral> if you feel i must prove something to you, i feel i am not obliged to 19:12:38 <dihedral> sorry 19:12:39 <Elukka> well, then we cant argue about it 19:12:41 <dihedral> then dont 19:12:42 <Alberth> Elukka: why are you not happy to let people believe what they do? 19:13:04 <petern> genocide 19:13:13 <Belugas> [14:13] <@Rubidium> evolution: recursive memory corruption <-- excellent :D 19:13:49 <Elukka> why should i not question beliefs? 19:13:59 *** GoneWacko [~GoneWacko@dhcp-077-249-197-241.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 19:14:24 <frosch123> Elukka: everyone should question his own believes, not those of others 19:14:31 <OsteHovel^EEE> yes 19:14:37 <Elukka> i also question those 19:14:51 <petern> i believe in beer 19:14:54 <Elukka> why should you not question the beliefs of others? 19:14:57 <OsteHovel^EEE> i just commented out the onPaint() commands and it no longer displays 19:15:04 * Rubidium wonders whether Elukka will question all my beliefs 19:15:08 <dihedral> Elukka, why do you try to question what you dont understand :-P 19:15:16 <Elukka> rubidium, only if you want to start arguing about them :P 19:15:20 *** mikl [~mikl@90.184.195.93] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:15:29 <SmatZ> OsteHovel^EEE: yeah, somment out that /* Draw company money */ code 19:15:32 <dihedral> because if you did understand what i believe, then you would not try to argue with me 19:15:39 <dihedral> and just let it be :-P 19:15:45 <Elukka> we've gone over this already 19:16:06 * Rubidium believes Elukka is not nuts ;) 19:16:10 *** db48x [~db48x@64.218.49.85] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:16:14 <dihedral> but as for you it seems everything is based on a concept of 'proof' 19:16:15 <Alberth> Elukka: maybe you should question your own belief that you should bother other people with your beliefs 19:16:23 <Darkvater> w00t 19:16:25 <Rubidium> lets discuss that belief ;) 19:16:27 <Darkvater> 0.7.0b1 19:16:31 * Darkvater hugs Rubidium 19:16:46 <Elukka> dihedral, an argument is not very convincing if no proof of a position is provided 19:17:06 <thingwath> he doesn't want to convince you, it seems 19:17:44 * SmatZ believes in himself 19:18:02 <Rubidium> hi Darkvater 19:18:23 * Rubidium still waits for Elukka to 'disprove' my belief ;) 19:18:47 <SmatZ> :o) 19:18:56 <Elukka> but i want to play WiC 19:19:44 <Rubidium> you just don't want to argue about my belief 19:19:56 <Elukka> it's unimportant! :D 19:20:07 <Alberth> even though you did not provide any proof! 19:20:38 *** db48x [~db48x@64.218.49.85] has joined #openttd 19:20:52 <dihedral> Elukka, as i already stated, i am not gonna try to convince you of anything, nor do i think i need to prove anything to you 19:21:04 <Elukka> as i already stated, then let's stop arguing 19:21:25 <Elukka> now, i will go blow stuff up 19:21:39 <petern> christians? 19:22:10 <Elukka> godless commies! 19:22:15 <Elukka> alternatively, capitalist pigdogs! 19:23:00 <thingwath> hm, I'm not sure what of these two I am tonight 19:24:11 <thingwath> (why world in conflict and not world in crisis?) 19:24:47 <Elukka> because conflict sounds nicer 19:24:50 <SmatZ> [20:23:06] <thingwath> hm, I'm not sure what of these two I am tonight <== wanted to say something similar :o) 19:25:03 <thingwath> in english, pf, maybe 19:25:12 <Elukka> WiC is the only RTS in ages where i got into the multiplayer aspect... 19:25:15 <Elukka> last was homeworld and hw2 19:26:02 <thingwath> I don't multiplayer since I have found that freeciv servers are full of evil Germans. 19:26:26 <SmatZ> hehe @ " evil Germans." 19:26:44 <Elukka> i once got on a wic server and the american team was full of russians 19:26:47 <SmatZ> what's so evil about them? 19:26:57 <thingwath> they are speaking german :) 19:27:16 <SmatZ> :) 19:27:19 <thingwath> and they always win! 19:27:23 <thingwath> :-( 19:27:38 <SmatZ> hehe :) 19:28:11 <thingwath> and I don't know about their evil plots against me, since I can't speak german well enough! 19:28:18 <SmatZ> :-) 19:30:19 <Eddi|zuHause> that is entirely your own problem :p 19:30:24 <thingwath> if I have learned german, I could have conquered the world! :-/ 19:36:46 <Darkvater> oh btw, I have good news 19:37:04 <Darkvater> I have started writing code to cache the grf-scan results 19:37:25 <Darkvater> which I had to momentarily pause because I have to backup lotsa stuff for a reinstall... 19:37:39 <Darkvater> during which I started openttd from my usb drive..and behold 19:37:44 <Darkvater> game starts in <1 second 19:37:57 * Darkvater 's harddrive is officially very very very very fragmented 19:38:16 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8274A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:38:23 <SmatZ> Darkvater: impressive - how many GRF do you habe? (I am afraid the most serious problem for me is HDD performance...) 19:38:26 <Darkvater> so i stopped development 19:39:06 <Darkvater> SmatZ: 294 19:39:20 <Darkvater> so let's say 270 or something 19:39:54 <frosch123> 421 :/ 19:39:59 <Rubidium> Darkvater: and defrag can't remove the fragmentation? 19:40:17 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B837A1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:40:20 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 19:40:28 <glx> Rubidium: not for long :) 19:40:36 *** NukeBuster|laptop [~opera@212-182-153-94.ip.telfort.nl] has left #openttd [] 19:40:41 *** NukeBuster|laptop [~opera@212-182-153-94.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 19:40:43 <Darkvater> XP crashes when I defrag 19:40:43 <Darkvater> ;p 19:40:48 <SmatZ> I got >8000 (most of them are duplicates from full openttdcoop checkout) 19:40:54 <glx> not enough free space? 19:41:01 <Darkvater> no, it just hangs 19:41:14 <Darkvater> reason #1715232 to reinstall 19:41:17 <SmatZ> hmm it will be less :) 19:41:36 <frosch123> [20:43] <SmatZ> I got >8000 (most of them are duplicates from full openttdcoop checkout) <- lol, why? 19:42:32 <Darkvater> http://tweakers.net/meuktracker/19610/openttd-070-beta-1.html << very long list :) 19:43:00 <Rubidium> and the text at the top is wrong too 19:43:51 <Rubidium> 8 players in MP isn't quite right anymore (if it was ever right) 19:43:51 <SmatZ> frosch123: sorry, it is much less... ~1300 ... most of them are readmes and similiar files :) 19:44:04 <SmatZ> frosch123: to have older versions of GRFs :) 19:44:33 <Rubidium> SmatZ: fdupes -r -d . 19:45:09 <Rubidium> or fdupes -r -d -N . if you don't want to answer questions 19:45:09 <SmatZ> Rubidium: when I delete them, next svn up will recover them 19:45:21 <Rubidium> then don't use a SVN checkout 19:45:29 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-71fae253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 19:45:36 <frosch123> hehe, I exported the grfpack :p 19:45:54 <Ammler> frosch123: how many have you then? 19:45:55 * Rubidium downloads the tar.bz2s from the website and unbz2s them 19:45:59 <Zuu> Is there a know issue with resizing the window in multiplayer on linux builds? 19:46:08 <frosch123> Ammler: 421 without duplicates 19:46:16 <Rubidium> and then he only installs the upgrade .tar.bz2s 19:46:29 <Zuu> A player on a game I played had this issue, and he was moderately interested into reporting it. So i figured I'd check if it is a known issue. 19:46:49 <Ammler> there are around 190 unique newgrfs in the pack 19:48:02 <glx> Zuu: what is the issue exactly? connection lost due to too long time without reply ? 19:48:12 <Rubidium> Zuu: no, although if he uses Allegro as video backend you can't stretch the window 19:48:13 <Darkvater> where's TB? 19:48:27 <Rubidium> in his sikrit hideout 19:48:31 <glx> somewhere on this server :) 19:48:35 * frosch123 is always happy to read those dutch articles, the german forum feels always wetter afterwards... 19:48:50 <Rubidium> listening to his neighbour laughing 19:48:51 <frosch123> *better 19:49:06 <Zuu> glx: He said that it crashed. But didn't got much detail from him. But he said that he would look into it when he had more time. 19:49:35 <glx> better wait for more details ;) 19:49:39 <Zuu> He has left the game now, so can't get more details. openSuse was the linux dist he used. 19:49:58 <Zuu> And it was 0.7 beta1 19:50:03 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 19:50:13 <glx> but I guess we'll get reports if it happens for someone else 19:50:24 <Zuu> Sure :) 19:53:52 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-10-28-138.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 20:00:23 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Quit: RS-SM] 20:01:26 *** StarLionIsaac [~isaac@user-514c0e82.l1.c5.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:11:12 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-10-28-138.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 20:12:59 *** StarLionIsaac [~isaac@user-514c0e82.l1.c5.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Gone for an insanity break] 20:25:05 *** OsteHovel^EEE [~OsteHovel@062016205204.customer.alfanett.no] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:33:27 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r15511 /trunk/src/landscape.cpp: -Fix [FS#2641] (r15190): Generating a map with the original map generator with freeform edges on resulted in an assert. 20:34:40 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:35:31 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@cpe-72-225-228-60.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 20:35:43 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-158-11.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:50:48 <Aali> why would anyone use the old mapgen? :/ 20:51:47 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:51:47 <Yexo> I have absolutely no idea 20:52:00 <Yexo> that's probably the reason the bug wasn't found before :p 20:52:13 <Rubidium> because it's more no-build-on-slope compatible than perlin 20:52:36 <Elukka> well, how many openttd players speak esperanto? :P 20:52:49 <Yexo> so why would anyone disable build-on-slopes? 20:52:57 <Rubidium> to test AIs 20:53:09 <Rubidium> and to make the game harder 20:53:20 <Rubidium> /more annoying 20:53:28 <Eddi|zuHause> Elukka: apparently at least the translator 20:55:07 <Rubidium> it's not like the esperanto translation is an effort for the developers 20:56:59 <frosch123> frisian translation and toyland should be removed :p 20:57:12 <petern> piglatin 20:57:16 *** Yeggs-work is now known as Yeggzzz 20:57:32 <db48x> why remove frisian? 20:58:50 <frosch123> db48x: agreed, "remove toyland" requests are more common than "remove frisian translation", but both are equally weird requests 20:59:18 <db48x> :) 20:59:52 <Wolf01> I like to play toyland... this should be a good motive 20:59:53 <db48x> actually, "remove toyland" is partly justifiable, since each additional configuration option multiplies the amount of testing you have to do to ensure a quality product 21:00:41 *** Yeggzzz is now known as Yeggstry 21:00:53 <Rubidium> power nap! 21:08:46 <Eddi|zuHause> a propos toyland, what happened to the brickland? 21:09:22 <Sacro> heh, 21:09:25 <Sacro> ask Wolf01 21:11:01 <Wolf01> it's there, in a lost folder of my hdd, I'll draw something when I have enough time, but less than one tile a week, so it is frozen 21:12:30 <Zuu> Wasn't OpenGFX doing some improvements to toyland. At least the terrain is a bit better in OpenGFX if I recall correctly. 21:12:56 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5F3D9.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:14:08 <dihedral> oi 21:14:08 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-10-28-138.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 21:19:51 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@cpe-72-225-228-60.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: RS-SM] 21:21:51 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad45694.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:21:55 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fdb4a.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:22:22 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad1d1b9.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 21:23:34 <Wolf01> 'night 21:23:38 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host114-234-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:25:48 <Darkvater> OMG 21:25:55 <Darkvater> bjarni is active :) 21:26:04 <Darkvater> Bjarni is even here :) 21:28:00 <Bjarni> hi Darkvater 21:28:03 <Bjarni> long time no see 21:28:12 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.6/2009011913]] 21:28:14 <Darkvater> I can say the same thing about you :) 21:28:20 *** Roest [~schurade@p54B9C62F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 21:28:22 <Darkvater> how've you been lately? 21:28:32 <Bjarni> very busy at uni 21:28:58 <Darkvater> finishing stages? 21:29:23 <Bjarni> I work on getting my master this year 21:29:41 <Darkvater> great :) 21:29:50 <Darkvater> this year as in dec'09 or sooner? ;) 21:30:31 <Bjarni> it's undecided but December isn't unrealistic 21:30:43 <planetmaker> :) 21:30:49 <Darkvater> ah, so still a long way to go :) 21:31:54 <Darkvater> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=765382#p765382 << no idea what this is; but look good :) 21:31:54 <planetmaker> http://www.phdcomics.com/comics/archive.php?comicid=1129 <-- as long as that isn't true, Bjarni, you're safe ;) 21:32:57 <planetmaker> Darkvater: I guess what the text next to it sais :P 21:34:18 <Darkvater> planetmaker: I'm glad to have that behind me :) 21:34:41 <planetmaker> hehe :) 21:35:43 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@cpe-72-225-228-60.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 21:38:34 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:40:05 *** Mek [~marijn@93.157.1.37] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:40:10 *** Mek [~marijn@93.157.1.37] has joined #openttd 21:41:50 <Zuu> hmm, why do all my short nails have to have a small hole. Why do I have so many nails, but no short nail with a big hole? :s 21:42:11 *** energetic [~opera@ip82-139-119-221.lijbrandt.net] has left #openttd [] 21:42:23 <Aali> you have nails with holes in them? 21:42:30 <TinoDidriksen> Also known as screws 21:43:10 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad1d1b9.bb.sky.com] has quit [Quit: brb] 21:43:12 <Zuu> hmm, not nails, but needles :p 21:44:03 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:44:43 <el_en> Bjarni: after that you are to be called "Master Bjarni" in here. 21:45:29 <Bjarni> good point 21:45:45 <planetmaker> :P 21:46:04 <Bjarni> you should all address me as "Master" on the near future XD 21:46:32 <petern> Bater? 21:46:50 <Zuu> In the future when you have to get out to the real world, as opposed to beeing a student :p 21:47:51 <Bjarni> you mean I'm not in the real world? 21:48:04 <Bjarni> then what is the real world like? Is it any good? 21:48:16 <Bjarni> can it be that good that there is no EU at all? :P 21:49:43 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:50:02 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 21:55:42 <SmatZ> Bjarni: EU? what do you mean? 21:55:47 <planetmaker> Bjarni, you may know a bit about the Mac API: can you tell me the difference between the Carbon type UniCharArray and a normal string? 21:56:02 <planetmaker> I somehow don't get it converted properly, I assuem... 21:56:03 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad103f2.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 21:56:05 <planetmaker> *assume 21:57:01 *** Yeggstry is now known as Yeggzzz 21:57:12 <Bjarni> hmm 21:57:18 *** Yeggzzz [~mind@cpc2-rdng14-0-0-cust631.winn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:57:26 <Bjarni> that's actually a good question 21:57:51 <planetmaker> http://paste.openttd.org/179753 <--- line 72 crashes 21:58:46 <planetmaker> it's a patch to r15438 21:58:51 <planetmaker> but I guess it still works 21:59:23 <SmatZ> planetmaker: lines 39/40 look ... strange :) 21:59:33 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@cpe-72-225-228-60.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:59:44 <planetmaker> yeah 21:59:58 <Bjarni> that's trailing whitespace 22:00:03 <planetmaker> It's not tidied up in any way, so there are a lot of oddities 22:00:04 <SmatZ> yeah :) 22:00:10 <SmatZ> ok, sorry :) 22:00:20 <SmatZ> I am eating, so I can't code 22:00:23 <planetmaker> no problem, you're right, SmatZ :) 22:00:25 <SmatZ> so I am reading :) 22:00:29 <planetmaker> he :) 22:00:41 <Bjarni> I usually have a lot of those, but I run the script before making a diff that I show to anybody else 22:00:41 *** el_en [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:00:42 <planetmaker> I appreciate that :) 22:01:14 <planetmaker> I hurried to catch you while you're here :P - and I'm still awake :P 22:02:03 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc2-rdng14-0-0-cust631.winn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 22:02:21 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 22:02:27 <Bjarni> and it just crashes? 22:02:36 <planetmaker> yes. Bus error 22:02:46 *** Yeggstry is now known as Yeggzzz 22:02:47 <planetmaker> no, I tried trains ;) 22:02:54 <SmatZ> hehe 22:03:15 <Bjarni> planetmaker: have you tried crashing this in qdb? 22:03:44 <planetmaker> hm... not really. I guess I *really* should learn to use it... 22:04:11 <planetmaker> gdb, eh? 22:04:30 <Bjarni> lol 22:04:35 <Rubidium> it expects you to do ATSUCreateStyle(&text_style) I think 22:04:46 <SmatZ> Rubidium: just wanted to say the same :-p 22:04:47 <Rubidium> and ATSUStyle text_style 22:05:03 <Bjarni> gdb, qdb... same thing... it's a lot of text and once you read it and realised what goes on you start to laugh 22:05:13 <planetmaker> he... 22:05:29 <SmatZ> at least, googling for ATSUCreateStyle shows so 22:06:04 <planetmaker> ok, it's a bad memory access (kern protection failure) 22:06:15 <SmatZ> ATSUStyle style; 22:06:16 <SmatZ> OSStatus status = ATSUCreateStyle(&style); 22:06:18 <SmatZ> like this... 22:06:33 * planetmaker will test that 22:07:27 <Belugas> night all 22:07:43 <Rubidium> night Belugas 22:07:44 <SmatZ> Belugas: night? 22:07:49 <Zuu> Good night Belugas 22:07:53 <planetmaker> night Belugas 22:07:53 <Rubidium> or should I say, 'see' you later? 22:07:57 <SmatZ> at 17:07? or 22:08:01 <SmatZ> :-) 22:08:22 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:08:22 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 22:09:37 <planetmaker> hm... using &style creates a compile error 22:09:53 <planetmaker> /Users/ingo/ottd/fixing/src/strings.cpp:1588: error: cannot convert 'OpaqueATSUStyle***' to 'OpaqueATSUStyle**' for argument '1' to 'OSStatus ATSUCreateStyle(OpaqueATSUStyle**)' 22:10:05 <SmatZ> planetmaker: ap_err = ATSUCreateStyle(&text_style); 22:10:13 <planetmaker> exactly that 22:10:15 <SmatZ> ATSUStyle *text_style = NULL; 22:10:17 <SmatZ> change to 22:10:19 <Rubidium> remove the * from there 22:10:21 <SmatZ> ATSUStyle text_style; 22:10:35 <planetmaker> oh 22:10:39 <planetmaker> :) 22:14:44 <planetmaker> hm... 22:15:11 <Rubidium> bus error at line 75 now? 22:15:44 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet559.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 22:18:13 <planetmaker> well... it seems it doesn't reach that line even... debug output is enabled with -d freefont=7 22:18:18 <planetmaker> for freefont things, right? 22:18:52 <Rubidium> yeah, though it's probably freetype 22:20:06 <planetmaker> he. Thx. 22:20:44 <Zuu> <ot>Nice those americans have made both an "Metric" and a "English" version of the highway design manual. :) </ot> 22:21:31 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@e179058219.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 22:21:33 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:21:34 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 22:21:37 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 22:21:42 <Rubidium> the highway needs to be 30 feet (10 yards) or 10 meter wide 22:22:29 <planetmaker> and yes, Rubidium, now it fails with the next function call, but I guess it needs the same mods for the things... 22:22:36 <Rubidium> yup 22:27:11 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g228064238.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:27:11 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 22:27:35 <planetmaker> he... the bus is fixed. now I get a segmentation fault... 22:27:56 <dihedral> yay 22:27:57 <dihedral> fun 22:28:31 <murr4y> ooh, 0.7.0 beta came yesterday :D 22:28:34 <murr4y> awesome 22:30:05 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:30:27 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 22:30:38 * dihedral wonders how many servers have upgraded 22:32:15 <Zuu> There is/was a NARS set + ECS server which runs 0.7 beta 1 earlirer tonight. 22:32:24 <planetmaker> 11, dihedral 22:32:54 <Rubidium> that reminds me, dihedral: please 22:33:00 <dihedral> yes? 22:33:07 <Zuu> Oh, many more new 0.7 beta servers. :) 22:34:36 <dihedral> Rubidium, ? 22:35:20 <Rubidium> dihedral: ****** 22:35:35 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 22:35:51 * Rubidium wonders whether dihedral will get the link 22:36:01 <planetmaker> :D 22:36:16 * dihedral steht auf dem schlauch 22:36:56 <Sacro> hunter2? 22:38:40 <dihedral> ah 22:38:44 <dihedral> thank you Rubidium 22:45:45 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:47:27 *** xahodo [~xahodo@xahodo.demon.nl] has quit [Quit: Goodbye.] 22:48:15 <planetmaker> ahm... hm... still some conversion magic needed. 22:48:28 <planetmaker> Well, that's for another day then 22:49:07 <planetmaker> a good night to all and thx Rubidium & SmatZ & Bjarni for your help 22:49:32 <Bjarni> no more new planets tonight :( 22:50:22 <SmatZ> good night, planetmaker :) 22:51:28 <planetmaker> Bjarni: we start with a moon :) It needs time to grow :) 22:51:46 <Bjarni> hehe 23:24:13 *** Aali_ [~aali@84-217-30-34.tn.glocalnet.net] has joined #openttd 23:27:03 *** Aali [~aali@84-217-28-171.tn.glocalnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:33:15 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F706.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:37:06 *** Aali_ is now known as Aali 23:37:09 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:38:08 *** Yeggzzz [~mind@cpc2-rdng14-0-0-cust631.winn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:38:26 <Xaroth> I take it it's not possible to have a dedicated server generate screenshots, right? 23:39:10 <Eddi|zuHause> it is, but the settings needed for that mostly defeat the purpose of a dedicated server 23:39:30 <Xaroth> well the concept is having the dedicated server take random screenshots during gameplay 23:39:45 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: actually, a real dedicated server doesn't have any blitter except the null blitter 23:40:07 <Eddi|zuHause> Brianetta had a feature like that, before the dedicated server got a real dedicated server 23:40:18 <Xaroth> yeh 23:40:30 <Xaroth> but that required having video drivers installed/enabled 23:40:44 <Eddi|zuHause> problem was that most of the time, it made shots of empty territory 23:40:47 <Brianetta> 0.6.3 can still do it, I think 23:40:59 <Brianetta> Mine was scripted to randomly change location 23:41:00 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 23:41:15 <Xaroth> I just tried with the ottdcoop build version and it does nothing 23:41:29 <Xaroth> but that's with --enable-dedicated 23:41:33 <Brianetta> Well, that's significantly newer than 0.6 23:41:35 <Rubidium> yes, 0.6.3 still has the blitters 23:41:58 <Brianetta> I took the screenshot facility out of mine when I was diagnosing the server's load problems 23:42:28 <Brianetta> I still have those problems - Apache driving the load average up to 30 or so. I have a script watching for it, and it restarts Apache. 23:42:50 <Brianetta> NFI what the cause is, but I suspect a PHP application is misbehaving. 23:43:16 <Xaroth> check the access log to see what's being accessed before the load shoots up? 23:43:57 <Elukka> i just tipped over a full glass of coke 23:44:02 <Elukka> miraculously, it didnt hit anything electric 23:45:07 <Brianetta> Xaroth: You'd think that would be easy. Unfortunately, in the thousands of lines of logs that *could* have caused it, none look out of the ordinary. 23:45:22 <Rubidium> sounds like our lighttpd problem 23:45:25 <Brianetta> I've already spent hours trying that. 23:45:53 <Brianetta> Rubidium: Once I was sshelled into the server when it happened, before my script. Load average reached 120. 23:46:05 <Brianetta> Interactive typing was... er... not so interactive. 23:46:11 <Brianetta> I managed to kill apache. 23:46:20 <Xaroth> 120?!?!? 23:46:23 <Brianetta> Every time before that the OS had locked so hard I'd had to order a reboot. 23:46:57 <Brianetta> Now my script runs every five seconds. If the load average is above 10, it kills apache and restarts it. 23:47:06 <Brianetta> It normally catches the load at 30 or more 23:47:19 <Brianetta> and restarting apache *always* fixes it. 23:47:34 <Brianetta> It's a kludgey work-around, and I'm not proud of it. 23:47:40 <Rubidium> our problem is lighttpd leaking, but not actually leaking 23:48:24 <Xaroth> Brianetta: sometimes the most effective fixes are the ugliest of ones.. 23:48:38 <Rubidium> i.e. valgrind doesn't show a leak, but over time it starts using more and more memory 23:48:48 <Xaroth> i have a script like that running on our production cluster 23:48:52 <Brianetta> Xaroth: That's just it. It's not fixed. It's a very rapid band-aid applicator. 23:49:14 <Xaroth> well yeh 23:49:40 <Xaroth> one of our customer's domino servers has the habbit of breaking down almost every day at around the same time 23:49:44 <Eddi|zuHause> in professional areas, you'd call that a "watchdog", and cash extra for the feature ;) 23:50:05 <Eddi|zuHause> Xaroth: they checked the vacuum cleaner lady? 23:50:05 <Xaroth> happens on multiple server environments, and the domino developers have no clue 23:50:21 <Xaroth> Eddi: we'd have noticed :) 23:50:27 <Brianetta> Sometimes the load shoots way up high, and being measured as a load average, Apache gets killed twice. 23:50:48 <Rubidium> Xaroth: might it be moisture? 23:50:58 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Quit: RS-SM] 23:51:00 <Rubidium> i.e. http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Seasonal-Slowness.aspx 23:51:00 <Bjarni> night 23:51:02 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x3ef3a188.virnxx14.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:51:03 <Xaroth> heh 23:51:07 <Xaroth> not really Rubidium 23:51:12 <Xaroth> the server itself is fine 23:51:18 <Xaroth> it's -just- the domino process 23:51:48 <Xaroth> restarting that process fixes everything for another 23 hours and a bit 23:51:55 <Xaroth> and then it happens again 23:52:08 <Eddi|zuHause> Brianetta: we say "doppelt hÀlt besser" ;) 23:52:18 <Brianetta> Eddi: I call it overkill (: 23:53:14 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 23:53:47 <Brianetta> RS-SM: HELLO THERE, GUY FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF ALL-CAPS! 23:54:08 <RS-SM> HELLO MY FELLOW STUDENT 23:54:09 <Xaroth> o_O 23:56:04 <Tefad> i think MIT does allcaps too 23:56:17 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Sacro] 23:56:26 <Prof_Frink> KCOM.COM 23:57:14 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 23:59:44 <Eddi|zuHause> "Once i was apprentice at a tailor." 23:59:45 <Eddi|zuHause> "When i screwed something up, the foreman threw the smoothing iron after me" 23:59:46 <Eddi|zuHause> "but i ducked and evaded the shot, so the iron hit his wife" 23:59:49 <Eddi|zuHause> "'also fitting', said the foreman"