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00:08:54 <[wito]> My point is that there is just something special about a tunnel coming out of a cliff about half-way up, barreling over a bridge and disappearing into another cliff across a gulley 00:10:30 <[wito]> also, would it be possible for industries other than oilrigs to produce "neutral" stations? 00:11:09 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 00:12:15 <[wito]> (Think luxury hotel with a helipad on the roof, or gas station with built in bus stops 00:12:20 <SpComb> stations for trees 00:14:23 <[wito]> what? 00:14:27 <[wito]> No 00:14:27 <[wito]> That's silly 00:14:44 <[wito]> stations that aren't owned by any player 00:15:19 <[wito]> bah 00:15:22 <[wito]> good night 00:17:43 <SpComb> no, you see, each tree could have it's own station 00:18:05 <SpComb> *its 00:25:26 *** Cutter [Cutter@sev93-1-82-227-246-168.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [] 00:25:48 <Eddi|zuHause> i have never ever seen a gas station including a bus stop 00:32:56 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77C67.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:33:22 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77C91.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:33:54 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:39:27 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 00:42:22 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r15625 /trunk/src/string.cpp: -Codechange: remove unneeded assert 00:56:44 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-211-146-65.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 00:59:57 *** Hawson_ [~hawson@c-98-204-189-235.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 01:06:45 *** Hawson [~hawson@c-98-204-189-235.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:08:05 *** Hawson_ [~hawson@c-98-204-189-235.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:08:45 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has quit [Quit: http://www.interplay.com/] 01:10:05 *** Hawson [~hawson@c-98-204-189-235.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 01:15:08 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82ACF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:15:34 *** wollollo [~martin@dyn1076-82.hor.ic.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:16:42 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83ED8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 01:16:45 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 01:18:15 *** Hawson [~hawson@c-98-204-189-235.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:20:08 *** Hawson [~hawson@c-98-204-189-235.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 01:23:38 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15626 /trunk/src/ (8 files in 4 dirs): -Fix [FS#2698]: UTF8 string handling could cause buffer overruns. 01:25:09 *** Hawson_ [~hawson@c-98-204-189-235.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 01:29:18 *** Hawson [~hawson@c-98-204-189-235.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:33:13 *** Hawson_ [~hawson@c-98-204-189-235.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:34:13 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 01:34:13 *** [gone]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:34:16 *** Combuster is now known as [gone]buster 01:34:48 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:46:31 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-142-249.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:32:39 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep] 02:54:48 *** [gone]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:55:02 *** [gone]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 03:01:52 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: belugas * r15627 /trunk/src/ (window.cpp window_gui.h): -Documentation: Add two Doxygen strings (Alberth). 03:09:07 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:09:08 <Belugas> [18:41] <Yexo> [wito]: next suggestions: also build stations automatically, next suggestions: press a button and let the game play itself <------ Yexo is now officially a dev in all its glory!! :D 03:09:15 <Belugas> WELCOME HOME MY FRIEND!! 03:12:33 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:25:12 *** Brokkoli [~Brokkoli@e177136133.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: In aller Welt werden die Parallelen zur Krise 1929 diskutiert, aber damals wurde wenigstens noch die Verantwortung Ìbernommen. 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07:21:21 <dihedral> no, why? 07:21:39 <petern> wee means piss, unless you're scottish 07:21:49 <Noldo> :P 07:22:14 <dihedral> irish friends of mine use it that way too, and i think you can get the meaning from the context ;-) 07:22:59 <dihedral> if you cannot, then you are just like me 3 year old nephew who also cannot understand a meaning of a word just by its context 07:23:06 <dihedral> :-P 07:25:46 <petern> scottish & irish then. are you irish? 07:26:40 *** apo_ [apo@pD9E7BD52.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:28:37 *** apo [apo@pD9E7E123.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:35:00 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc2-rdng22-2-0-cust533.15-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 07:36:50 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@wnn72109.wireless.dtu.dk] has joined #openttd 07:45:13 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 07:45:13 *** [gone]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:45:17 *** Combuster is now known as [gone]buster 08:07:50 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 08:07:50 *** [gone]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:07:51 *** [gone]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 08:08:55 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 08:29:23 *** goodger [~ben@host86-148-8-231.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:30:12 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has joined #openttd 08:31:05 *** goodger [~ben@host86-148-8-231.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 08:31:49 *** Yeggstry is now known as Yeggs-work 08:36:57 <planetmaker> good morning 08:37:03 <Noldo> morning 08:42:31 *** energetic [~opera@ip82-139-119-221.lijbrandt.net] has joined #openttd 08:51:32 *** goodger [~ben@host86-148-8-231.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:53:12 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:57:19 *** goodger [~ben@host86-148-8-231.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 09:02:17 <planetmaker> /rename/dih/McDih/ :P 09:02:31 <planetmaker> :) 09:02:31 <dihedral> lol 09:05:19 <petern> och aye the noo 09:05:23 *** goodger [~ben@host86-148-8-231.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:05:59 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has joined #openttd 09:08:50 <dihedral> arrr ;-) 09:24:04 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C20D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:26:22 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 09:35:42 <dihedral> fairplay 3856 1.6 0.7 301380 8360 pts/1 Ss+ 01:20 9:03 ./openttd -c openttd.cfg -D <- ^^ 09:36:59 <petern> pah, 300MB is nothing :D 09:37:20 <dihedral> it's a lot if it's all in the shared mem on a vps ^^ 09:37:41 <dihedral> btw, the dedicated server requires sample.cat, why is that? 09:38:05 <petern> because nobody has written a patch that removes that requirement 09:38:31 <dihedral> ok 09:38:39 <dihedral> and openttd.grf is listed twice in lsof 09:38:45 <Noldo> dihedral: are you working on it? 09:39:03 <dihedral> not yet ;-) 09:39:27 <dihedral> but i'll prob have a look at it, i have school until like 15.00 ^^ 09:39:30 <dihedral> cet 09:40:12 <dihedral> ok in this case means as much as - i'll see if i can figure that out ^^ 09:40:19 <Noldo> I'm busy writing dropdownlist replacement in javascript 09:40:36 <dihedral> i am rewriting autopilot in tcl 8.5 09:40:39 <dihedral> :-P 09:45:22 <petern> does tcl change a lot between versions? 09:46:17 *** Arsonide [~Arsonide@24-178-137-255.dhcp.crtn.ga.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:47:00 <dihedral> well, you have new stuff 09:47:25 <dihedral> e.g. if you want a list to be separate parts you can do {*}$list 09:47:30 <dihedral> which is quite nice to be honest 09:47:45 <dihedral> msgcat also has some new stuff 09:47:53 <dihedral> and dictionaries are available 09:48:37 <dihedral> though most of all i love the hot code replacement, it is done simply by resourcing files 09:48:41 <dihedral> or reloading packages 09:48:55 <dihedral> so you can upgrade a running script :-) 09:48:56 <dihedral> yumm 10:02:38 *** Timitry [83dc24f1@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 10:03:52 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@216-165-16-131.DYNAPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Quit: RS-SM] 10:06:28 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 10:08:53 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 10:08:53 *** [gone]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:08:57 *** Combuster is now known as [gone]buster 10:16:35 *** Darkvater [~tfarago@ip192-213-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 10:16:38 *** mode/#openttd [+o Darkvater] by ChanServ 10:16:54 * Darkvater waves 10:20:27 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@77.163.150.18] has joined #openttd 10:25:08 <petern> hello sir 10:26:26 <Darkvater> I see you like emma :) 10:29:35 <Felicitus> morning 10:31:08 <Felicitus> are there any plans to make a dedicated server scriptable? i.e. a squirrel not for AIs, but for dedicated servers? 10:31:59 <Eddi|zuHause> depends on what you want to script 10:32:07 <Yexo> several plans, no start of implementation afaik 10:32:55 <Felicitus> Eddi|zuHause: automatic starting of new maps on defined conditions, banning/kicking players, communication with a database for example 10:33:05 <Felicitus> player commands 10:33:45 <Eddi|zuHause> and which part of that can you not do with an external program like ap+? 10:34:03 <Felicitus> ap+? 10:34:14 <Felicitus> what's that? 10:34:19 <Forked> autopilot 10:34:22 <Forked> (I think) 10:34:30 <Felicitus> hmm i'll have a look 10:35:15 <Felicitus> wasnt aware of that such a thing exists ;) 10:37:05 <Felicitus> Eddi|zuHause: that's what i was looking for :) 10:37:33 <petern> heh 10:39:09 <dihedral> Yexo [11:32:07] several plans, no start of implementation afaik <- not quite true ;-) 10:39:23 <Yexo> I forgot yours :) 10:39:31 <dihedral> ^^ 10:39:39 <dihedral> Felicitus: which os are you using? 10:39:46 <Felicitus> dihedral: linux 10:39:53 <dihedral> good ;-) 10:40:05 <Felicitus> actually on the box it's gentoo, but it shouldnt matter 10:40:06 <Felicitus> why? 10:40:14 <dihedral> http://svn.openttdcoop.org/tools/autopilot/branches/ap+ 10:40:28 <dihedral> only possix systems are supported :-P 10:40:47 <Felicitus> dihedral: is there a difference between ap+ and autopilot? 10:41:52 *** [gone]buster is now known as [com]buster 10:41:55 <dihedral> no i just renamed autopilot to ap+ and called it my own 10:41:59 <dihedral> of course there is a difference! 10:42:04 <Felicitus> and which one? 10:42:08 <Darkvater> what is possix? 10:42:27 <Felicitus> Darkvater: dihedral took posix and called it his own :) 10:42:27 <dihedral> *posix 10:42:29 <dihedral> :-P 10:42:34 <Darkvater> hihi 10:42:40 <dihedral> nice one ;-) 10:42:58 <Felicitus> i should take openttd and call it my own! like...uhm....closedTTD! 10:43:10 <dihedral> http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/Autopilot and http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/Autopilot/ap%2B 10:43:11 <Eddi|zuHause> call it "Transporter"! 10:43:26 <dihedral> HAHA 10:43:27 <dihedral> :-) 10:43:29 <Alberth> Darkvater: POSIX defines a large set of programmer interfaces commonly known as the Unix OS 10:43:32 <Felicitus> dihedral: thanksalot :) 10:43:50 <Alberth> Felicitus: "freeTTD" 10:43:54 <dihedral> Felicitus: feel free to ask for support in #openttd.ap 10:44:13 <dihedral> Alberth: and what is unix and mac os x? 10:44:20 <dihedral> they too count as posix systems 10:44:27 <Darkvater> Alberth: yes, bu what is POSSIX :) 10:44:45 <dihedral> it just includes the word Super ^^ 10:44:55 <dihedral> SM = Super Man.... 10:44:56 <Felicitus> dihedral: well, as kurt is going to retire with 0.7.0, we are looking forward to continue the project, and i think it will be perfectly possible using autopilot 10:44:57 <dihedral> eh... 10:44:58 <dihedral> yah 10:45:13 <dihedral> Felicitus: it will not 10:45:14 <dihedral> ^^ 10:45:27 <dihedral> currently the console does not give enough info 10:45:29 <dihedral> i think 10:45:38 <Felicitus> dihedral: yes, detecting of one-way-trains and destroying buildings would require a server side patch 10:45:44 <dihedral> if there was an on_yearly.scr callback, that would be great 10:45:56 <Felicitus> but its a huge start instead of writing everything from scratch 10:45:56 <dihedral> then you could infact do a lot more stuff 10:45:59 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:46:06 <petern> moooooooo 10:46:24 * dihedral milks petern ..... eh... sounds odd! sorry! 10:46:33 <Felicitus> its getting nasty 10:46:38 <Felicitus> away for smoke :) 10:46:52 <dihedral> Felicitus: apply the better smoke patch ^^ 10:47:33 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... pushing daisies is great, but watching it in german, you always think you are missing something 10:48:35 <dihedral> you always miss something when they dubb stuff (unless the orignial is manderin ^^( 10:52:31 *** goodger [~ben@host86-148-8-231.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 10:52:33 <dihedral> Felicitus: kurt had the game directly connected to a mysql db writing details directly to it 10:52:52 <dihedral> and he of course from there had way more access to information than you can get from the console 10:53:33 <dihedral> you could use a mix, of patching openttd and modifying ap+ (or avignon when it's ready) to achieve the same 10:53:47 <dihedral> and use the tcl script to do the mysql db handling 10:53:51 <Felicitus> dihedral: yes, but implementing a patch which writes more info is much less effort than rewriting everything 10:53:55 <Felicitus> yes 10:53:56 <Felicitus> thats hat i thought of 10:54:42 <dihedral> however, if you had squirrel as a console language, you could do a lot from the console - that would perhaps be a very interesting mix ^^ 10:55:05 <dihedral> sad things for the tcl script is that the communication with the game is not syncroneous! 10:55:30 <Felicitus> well, i guess it would be easier to just export ottd api calls to squirrel and script it completely from there 10:56:41 <dihedral> and have the squirrel part do the db connection 10:56:52 <dihedral> that again runs to the same thing - you dont need / want openttd to handle that 10:56:53 <Felicitus> hmm...if there was a way for an AI to output rcon messages... 10:57:35 <dihedral> it would be nice to have a method of exactly knowing what the output of a console command is 10:58:07 <dihedral> but there is no guarentee that the next line of output is the reply of your command 10:58:35 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 10:59:13 <Felicitus> hmm i dont get that, dihedral, for the part of exactly knowing what the output of a console command is 11:00:31 <dihedral> i currently us a console alias 11:00:46 <[wito]> I think Airport noise levels need tweaking 11:00:47 *** wollollo [~martin@dyn1206-150.wlan.ic.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 11:00:48 <dihedral> echo "start"; %!; echo "end" 11:00:49 <dihedral> ^^ 11:00:56 <dihedral> or along those lines at least 11:00:58 <[wito]> Intercontinental airports are nearly impossible to place 11:01:13 <Felicitus> but i would, for example, have an AI which gets the current date and outputs something like "Date 2000-01-01 company <id> money <n>", for example 11:01:23 <Felicitus> and the script could parse that 11:01:28 <dihedral> getdate 11:01:30 <dihedral> companies 11:01:50 <dihedral> you can do the processing of that in tcl 11:01:59 <Felicitus> oh, is that already available in rcon? 11:02:06 <dihedral> ... 11:02:11 <dihedral> list_cmds ;-) 11:02:12 <dihedral> try that 11:02:20 <Felicitus> i have no running game at the moment :) 11:02:26 <dihedral> that has been there for quite some time now 11:02:39 <Felicitus> but it was an example. more advanced would be an AI callback which reports when a player destroys a building 11:03:06 <dihedral> you dont have that, that would need patching 11:03:18 <dihedral> and you can patch the server to output a string and catch it with tcl 11:03:27 <Felicitus> yep 11:04:27 <dihedral> and it's not said that if squirrel was the console language, that you would have those details at hand 11:05:08 <Felicitus> so for that specific "problem" it works, but depending on the requirements, and if everyone would merge the patches into trunk, we would have console spam - thats the idea of having some "AI" running as server where server operators can individually script their environment and selectively send messages to the console 11:07:08 <petern> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7926694.stm 11:07:10 <dihedral> what do you mean with AI? 11:07:14 <petern> ^ bloody catholics 11:07:25 <Felicitus> dihedral: replace AI with "dedicated server script" 11:07:48 <dihedral> but it's not said, that the script would be allowed to access those details - that's what i was saying 11:08:05 <Felicitus> yes of course. there would be the need for a special API 11:08:09 <dihedral> if the console language was changed to squirrel, it's not a given that all those details are available for your script to read 11:08:20 <Felicitus> no that's not what i proposed 11:08:21 <dihedral> so either way - you'd have to patch your game 11:08:30 <Felicitus> the console language stays the same 11:08:37 <dihedral> ... 11:08:42 <dihedral> gnah 11:08:45 <Felicitus> wait 11:08:59 <Felicitus> i'll try to explain it the other way 11:09:11 <dihedral> why would you have a scriptable language for servers and not in the game console? 11:09:23 <dihedral> that kinda makes no sense 11:09:31 <Felicitus> it would be nice if that would work, of course 11:10:13 <dihedral> if you have a squirrel part to script some stuff and gain access to details, it makes sense to use that language on the console also 11:10:40 <dihedral> then if you dont have the script, you can still send the same langauge via rcon or anything else to your server and have the same amount of controll / access 11:12:29 <Felicitus> well maybe i'm just too focused on AI :) 11:12:32 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 11:12:50 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 11:15:42 *** goodger [~ben@host86-148-8-231.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:16:08 *** goodger [~ben@host86-148-8-231.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 11:24:07 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 11:24:21 *** goodger [~ben@host86-148-8-231.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:24:59 *** goodger [~ben@host86-148-8-231.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 11:29:07 <Alberth> [wito]: would you like one in your back yard? 11:29:33 <Alberth> [wito]: you can put it down a bit further away, and set up a passenger feeder service to the town 11:36:07 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm49.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 11:36:19 *** Singaporekid is now known as Scuddles^ 11:38:42 <planetmaker> question concerning bananas: is it ok for a grf team to register something like "project-name" as author so that several people may manage that grf? 11:39:08 <planetmaker> ohey, Felicitus :) How's your AI doing? 11:39:16 <[wito]> Alberth: I've tried plopping them on the other side of the map 11:39:45 <Yexo> planetmaker: imo that should be ok 11:39:59 <Yexo> ^^ that is a personal opinion though 11:40:04 <Eddi|zuHause> [wito]: you need appropriately large cities 11:40:21 <[wito]> I see 11:40:33 <[wito]> still 11:40:41 <planetmaker> :) Nice to hear that, Yexo. I proposed that but cautioned to check back: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=770500#p770500 11:40:45 <[wito]> they should be freely ploppable in no-towns-land 11:41:02 <Eddi|zuHause> [wito]: no, that would be way too easy 11:41:18 *** goodger [~ben@host86-148-8-231.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:41:24 <Felicitus> planetmaker: on hold currently. i'm busy with my application server project and now that kurt is going to retire with 0.7.0, there might be additional work 11:41:25 <Eddi|zuHause> it makes the noise limit basically irrelevant 11:41:36 <planetmaker> oh... :S 11:41:43 <planetmaker> sad to hear that. 11:41:51 <planetmaker> You're going to take over that hosting? 11:41:57 <Felicitus> i dont know 11:42:05 <Felicitus> hosting is not the problem 11:42:13 <planetmaker> managing, yes, I know :) 11:42:16 <Felicitus> :) 11:42:30 <Felicitus> well actually implementing something like kurt's with the same ruleset and features 11:42:48 <planetmaker> hm... did you ask him to supply you with the scripts and patches he uses? 11:42:57 <Felicitus> yes, but energetic said he won't 11:43:10 <Felicitus> maybe because its only a "hack" which is not compatible with 0.7.0 11:43:15 <planetmaker> I guess, if he discontinues his services, he might hand it over. 11:43:39 <planetmaker> oh well. I don't know his stuff. I remember him saying it's hackish... but... well. 11:43:48 <Felicitus> i guessed that also, but doesnt seem to be the case 11:43:53 <Alberth> Eddi|zuHause: those users are never happy. On the one hand they complain it is too easy, at the other hand, they complain it is too difficult as soon as the game forbids something :P 11:43:58 <planetmaker> One might profit from it nevertheless. 11:44:29 <Felicitus> yes, that's for sure: many hours of nice games 11:44:39 <planetmaker> [wito]: if the catchment area of an airport is too small, use distant join stations to your advantage. 11:44:44 <Eddi|zuHause> [wito]: if you want easy airport placement, turn off the noise limit 11:45:11 <planetmaker> You played there a let, eh, Felicitus ? 11:45:22 <Eddi|zuHause> [wito]: alternatively, make up a plan for noise limits that is balanced 11:45:32 <Felicitus> planetmaker: yep. 55 rated games so far 11:45:39 <planetmaker> wow, that's a bit :) 11:45:48 *** goodger [~ben@host86-148-8-231.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 11:45:51 <Felicitus> heh, thats nothing 11:46:02 <planetmaker> how long is the ingame time? 11:46:03 <Felicitus> there are people with over 300 rated games :) 11:46:05 <planetmaker> 10 years? 11:46:14 <Felicitus> it depends on how fast the goal is reached 11:46:16 <planetmaker> or was it rather a hard limit on money? 11:46:28 <planetmaker> I only played it 1 1/2 times :) 11:46:41 <Ammler> is it possible to "catch up" as newbie on that server, Felicitus? 11:47:03 <Felicitus> well, the start amount is 100.000 pounds, and if the goal is a company value of 17 million, it can take a few years - i guess around 10-12 years, but in extreme cases up to 20 11:47:21 <Ammler> or do you need just to play many games to be on top 11:47:24 <Felicitus> Ammler: depends, if you want to go up in the rankings, you really have to play alot 11:47:27 <planetmaker> well. It's an afternoon worth of playing :) 11:47:46 <planetmaker> Felicitus: do you know the ranking used for chess? 11:47:59 <Noldo> ELO? 11:48:08 <Felicitus> i'm not sure how points are distributed, i have to ask energetic about it, but i think that you get less points if there is nobody playing 11:48:11 <Felicitus> planetmaker: chess? 11:48:12 <planetmaker> Might be the name, I don't recall. I only know the principle :) 11:48:26 <planetmaker> chess. One of the oldest games, you know :) 11:48:35 <Noldo> it's used in Magic the Gathering circles too 11:48:44 <Eddi|zuHause> you get more points if you beat a person that has higher score than you than he would get if he beat you 11:48:58 <Felicitus> no, never heard of it. was that a game on a c64? :) 11:49:43 <planetmaker> o_O 11:49:45 <Eddi|zuHause> but i think it's problematic if more than 2 persons play per match 11:49:47 <Felicitus> just kidding 11:50:03 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: no, it works as long as you don't have teams. 11:50:12 <Ammler> hehe, that reminds me of our coopetition development. ;-) 11:50:28 <Felicitus> well, if there are more than one player per company, the points will be divided 11:50:30 <planetmaker> you just need to apply different points to 1st, 2nd, 3rd... nth place. 11:50:38 <planetmaker> where nth place = -1st place 11:50:49 <Ammler> http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/CoopetitionELO 11:50:53 <planetmaker> Felicitus: that system doesn't accumulate points. 11:51:08 <planetmaker> It's not a measure of "how much" but of "how good" you play 11:51:28 <planetmaker> Winning against strong opponents gives you way more points than winning against weak ones. 11:51:39 <Felicitus> on kurt's you eman? 11:51:46 <Felicitus> whoops 11:51:47 <Felicitus> mean, even 11:51:48 <planetmaker> And in the adoption for multiplayer games, you win more, if you win agains many than against a few. 11:52:08 <planetmaker> Felicitus: I'm just describing a modified ELO rating system :) 11:52:12 <Felicitus> ah ok :) 11:53:05 <planetmaker> I find that kind of rating system far more interesting than accumulating points. Because the always-on players will lead those. But they're not necessarily good players. 11:53:20 <Felicitus> well, that might be an idea to think about 11:53:23 <Felicitus> http://stb.gotdns.org/ottd/mq/game-iframe.php?gameid=2772&year=0&month=0&day=0&user=&oby=number 11:53:31 <Felicitus> thats how a game look like with more than one player 11:53:42 <Felicitus> per company :) 11:53:48 <planetmaker> I adopted that for our local kicker tournament held after each lunch. After ~100 games for all ~8 people participating it stabilizes and gives a good judgment of their strength. 11:54:06 <planetmaker> (well, more people, but those are the regulars) 11:54:16 *** Paul2 [~Paul@77.75.106.37] has joined #openttd 11:55:17 <planetmaker> yeah. I'd give foobr +40, +20 to 2nd, 0 to 3rd, -20 to 4th, -40 to 5th and modify that somehow by the average rating of the players 11:55:56 <planetmaker> oh, it's 6. So. +10 and -10 for 3rd / 4th. 11:57:06 <Felicitus> hmm it depends. i would also give points according to the distance of players in the ranking 11:57:41 <Felicitus> or maybe not... 11:57:49 <Felicitus> everything has pro and cons 11:57:58 <planetmaker> well... at first I wouldn't. That already reflects after some time in their relative score. But one can, of course, modify it with a range of parameters. 11:58:04 <planetmaker> E.g. also the starting date... 11:58:37 <planetmaker> If I ran such server, I'd set up a usual cummulative one and have a hidden one like that where I first test the parameters to get good results :) 11:58:41 *** PeCeT_full [PeCeT_full@host-137-99.jkns.pl] has joined #openttd 11:59:04 <planetmaker> And I might then introduce it after some time when I'm confident that those make sense. 11:59:12 <Felicitus> yes but one thing must be for sure: 1st place always gets more points than 2nd place :) 11:59:15 <Alberth> planetmaker: Go also has an interesting way of assigning strength. Weak players get a few stones ahead on the board to compensate. 11:59:19 <planetmaker> Felicitus: sure. 11:59:35 <planetmaker> Alberth: I know :) But hardly possible with openttd, I think 11:59:56 <planetmaker> But with Go it makes perfect sense. Despite that I lose :( 12:00:02 <Alberth> a few months head start, or more money, or less interest? 12:00:24 <Alberth> planetmaker: everybody loses 50% of the time, all the time :) 12:00:28 <Noldo> is ELO used in Go too? 12:00:29 <planetmaker> Alberth: players may join any time.. so ... I don't think that's feasable. 12:00:57 <Alberth> Noldo: Go is 4000 years old, ELO didn't exist then 12:00:59 <planetmaker> Alberth: with the Go way of compensation? Yeah, that's true. 12:01:04 <Noldo> Alberth: :P 12:01:05 <planetmaker> Chess, too :) 12:02:02 <planetmaker> But OpenTTD is different in that respect, that IMO the result with increasing playing time gets more and more independent of the starting conditions. 12:02:39 <planetmaker> Starting with half the money won't make me weaker, it will just make me slower gain money. But once you make more money than you can spent on building the increase is semi-linear. 12:02:48 <Alberth> Noldo: they have 'kyu' and 'dan' ratings. A beginner starts at 25th kyu, and goes up to 1st kyu. After 1kyu you get 1st dan, and then up to 9th dan or so for the profesionals. 12:02:51 <planetmaker> And then the slope is defined by your skill in building 12:03:18 <planetmaker> And your persistance to constantly build and improve... 12:04:31 <Alberth> Noldo: each step below your opponent means you get 1/2 stone ahead. 12:05:00 <Noldo> this much I knew 12:05:24 <Alberth> Noldo: whole stones are put on the board at fixed places before the game starts, and the last 1/2 stone become 5 prisoner stones 12:05:46 *** goodger [~ben@host86-148-8-231.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:05:53 <Noldo> now there is something new for me 12:07:06 <Alberth> Noldo: (and the first step down means you get black, and may put the first stone on the board) 12:07:47 *** goodger [~ben@host86-148-8-231.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 12:07:56 *** wollollo [~martin@dyn1206-150.wlan.ic.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:08:08 <Ammler> the fis point system might be better for rankies with more then 2 12:10:08 <Ammler> (first you transfer the ladder of current game to points, second, you calculate a weight for the game itself) 12:10:09 <Eddi|zuHause> <planetmaker> And your persistance to constantly build and improve... <- i typically fail at that part 12:10:21 <Eddi|zuHause> i love watching my trains and my network too much at that point ;) 12:10:40 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: same here. Once I've setup some basic network, I slow down a lot. 12:10:40 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e176240038.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 12:10:45 <planetmaker> For exactly that reason. 12:11:27 <Alberth> planetmaker: that's a weakness you should work on :P 12:12:03 <planetmaker> :D 12:12:12 <planetmaker> Alberth: have a guess why I prefer the coop servers :P 12:12:58 <Alberth> I guess all great players have this problem :D 12:13:20 <planetmaker> hehe. I assuem :)he... completely different topic: yesterday a thread surfaced which referenced your GRL. Did anything happen to that after early 2008? 12:13:28 <planetmaker> *assume. 12:17:06 *** goodger [~ben@host86-148-8-231.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:17:35 *** goodger [~ben@host86-148-8-231.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 12:20:27 <Alberth> nope 12:21:07 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.16.107.89] has joined #openttd 12:21:53 <Alberth> I abandoned it after deciding that the code was not compact enough; It was already at something like 1000+ lines of code, and almost halfway iirc. 12:22:21 *** PeCeT_full [PeCeT_full@host-137-99.jkns.pl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:22:31 <Alberth> Also it was 'stupid' code, the same thing over and over again in subtly different variants. 12:23:14 <planetmaker> hm... a pity. 12:23:16 <Eddi|zuHause> 1000 loc? 12:23:22 <Eddi|zuHause> that's kinda huge 12:23:49 <Alberth> I think one should develop a meta language for describing the GRF structure in, and use that instead. 12:23:52 <planetmaker> because the resulting language looked like something which one actually could learn without becoming a kind of binary or hexadecimal lifeform. 12:24:28 <Alberth> yeah, that was the idea; make a 1-to-1 mapping of current NFO in a more friendly syntax. 12:25:01 <Alberth> Also, at work I am also writing a compiler, and 2 at the same time is a bit too much... ;) 12:25:08 <planetmaker> :P 12:25:28 <Eddi|zuHause> my ndl.py is only 350 lines 12:25:51 <Eddi|zuHause> plus the tables for property names 12:25:53 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: I looked briefly, but didn't find it. Got a link? 12:26:05 <Alberth> Eddi|zuHause: 1000 loc is quite easy, a lot copy/paste with a few changes. Maintaining would be a night mare. 12:26:12 <Eddi|zuHause> some thread named "newgrf description language" 12:26:19 <planetmaker> ah 12:26:47 <Eddi|zuHause> i didn't really get to start on varaction2, though... 12:27:43 <Alberth> Eddi|zuHause: iirc, you used an approach closer to generating NFO rules specific for a train or rv 12:28:38 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, something significantly more abstract than NFO 12:30:04 <Alberth> planetmaker: Ideally, one would be able to generate the current NewGRF specs from the meta-language program, so these are always consistent with each other. 12:30:48 <planetmaker> Alberth: yeah, I understand that. And I find it a good approach 12:30:56 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@wnn72109.wireless.dtu.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:31:13 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: but no continued work on that either? 12:31:54 <Eddi|zuHause> i might try to find time to continue somewhen... 12:33:10 <planetmaker> I think I've read enough to see that there's not much way around such low-level stuff as NFO. But having a more higher-level approach to programming newgrfs, would imo enhance the development process of those a bit 12:33:13 <Alberth> planetmaker: I still have a repository somewhere if you are interested 12:33:25 <Eddi|zuHause> one problem i had was that i didn't really have a sensible grf to code in parallel, as kind of an example 12:33:42 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: FIRS :) 12:33:57 <planetmaker> Alberth: that would mean I'd have to work on that. :P 12:34:00 <Eddi|zuHause> that's probably a little too big already ;) 12:34:19 <planetmaker> I got the source code, though and built it yesterday. 12:34:34 <Alberth> you can always pull out the scanner and parser, and start over again :) 12:35:12 <planetmaker> Alberth: I haven't studied nor obtained otherwise the knowledge on how to tacle parsers and compilers. 12:35:41 <Eddi|zuHause> did you manually write a parser, or did you use a generator (like lex/yacc)? 12:35:49 <planetmaker> (nor any algorithm theory actually) 12:36:25 <Alberth> I used lex/yacc of course. Way to much work to write manually. 12:36:42 <planetmaker> So it's IMO realist to assess that I'd spend long time geting familiar with the basics at least :) 12:37:12 <Alberth> planetmaker: if you know the concept 'tree', it is not so difficult. My GRL is very simple. 12:37:12 <planetmaker> Heck, I don't even know C/C++ sufficient in order to understand the openttd source... 12:37:13 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: 3 years ;) 12:37:56 <planetmaker> Alberth: I know what a tree is supposed to be and faciliate. But I know no implementation details in any way. 12:38:07 <Eddi|zuHause> 4 semesters for basic computer science, and then at least 2 semesters for compiler building and programming language theory 12:38:17 <Eddi|zuHause> then you can start to get some practical work done ;) 12:38:19 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: yeah :) 12:38:42 <Alberth> Eddi|zuHause: nah, that thoeory is all done for you by lex/yacc :P 12:38:46 <Eddi|zuHause> thinking in trees is rather tricky for an "outsider" ;) 12:39:20 <Alberth> planetmaker: converting the scanner/parser to Python is not very difficult. I can do that if you like. 12:39:41 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, just use ply 12:39:46 <Alberth> indeed. 12:40:21 <planetmaker> Sorry, don't worry for me :S 12:40:40 *** zodttd [~me@user-142gtg7.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:42:16 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r15628 /trunk/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs): -Fix [FS#2705]: kicking/banning a client from the Client list window crashed the server 12:42:31 <petern> nice 12:42:35 <Alberth> Not sure how much one would gain by switching to Python. There is still that large input language to code manually if using something GRL-like. 12:46:36 <dihedral> fairplay 3856 2.0 0.8 400012 8928 pts/1 Ss+ 01:20 15:24 ./openttd -c openttd.cfg -D 12:46:44 <dihedral> petern, ^ 100 mb more than last time i posted 12:47:11 <petern> unless you are willing to use some kind of malloc debugger i'm not particularly interested 12:47:31 <dihedral> tell me what i can do 12:48:47 <petern> find some kind of malloc debugger :p 12:49:22 <Alberth> call your nearest computer dealer, and tell them to deliver a truck with memory chips at your house :P 12:49:29 <dihedral> hehe 12:49:37 <Ammler> ask your Admins to restart it from time to time :P 12:49:45 * dihedral slaps Ammler 12:55:40 <Darkvater> valgrind? 12:56:13 <dihedral> ran that one already on my work computer 12:56:25 <Noldo> didn't show anything? 12:57:16 <Darkvater> should show up after an hour I'd assume if it's leaking like hell 13:00:25 <dihedral> well then i'll do it again 13:02:51 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83ED8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:03:19 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:03:22 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:04:43 <Alberth> hello glx 13:05:18 <Alberth> tnx for your pointers into window resizing code. There were exactly right. 13:05:21 <planetmaker> Ho glx & SmatZ & Darkvater :) 13:05:40 <dihedral> DarthVater ^^ 13:05:48 <dihedral> that's what i always think of ^^ 13:05:52 *** wollollo [~martin@dyn1206-150.wlan.ic.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 13:05:56 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80D24.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 13:05:59 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 13:06:30 <Alberth> glx: I submitted a patch yesterday with a fix, except for the new resize sprite, as I lost the battle with gimp :( 13:06:32 <planetmaker> hehe @ dih - I know that creepy feeling ;) 13:06:55 <Darkvater> dihedral: you insult me 13:07:05 * glx votes for a kick ;) 13:07:11 <Darkvater> all in favour? 13:07:38 <Alberth> wouldn't that confirm what they are afraid of? 13:07:42 <planetmaker> Darkvater: ^^ 13:07:43 <glx> Alberth: I don't check FS regulary 13:07:44 <planetmaker> :) 13:08:06 <dihedral> i am sorry Darkvater 13:08:15 <dihedral> ;-) 13:08:55 <dihedral> please forgive me 13:09:29 * Darkvater loves the suspense 13:10:03 <Darkvater> I will forgive you if you go back to coding for openttd :) 13:10:42 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 13:10:42 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:10:45 *** Combuster is now known as [com]buster 13:11:20 <dihedral> are there any special options you'd advise me to use with valgrind? 13:11:35 <dihedral> Darkvater, i want to disable a dedicated server from needing sample.cat ^^ 13:13:34 <glx> dihedral: feed it with an empty one 13:14:12 <TinoDidriksen> --leak-check=full is good to add for valgrind. 13:14:15 <dihedral> but then it still opens it 13:14:54 <dihedral> glx, does a dedicated server _need_ to have that file open? 13:21:47 *** Sacro [~ben@static-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 13:22:10 <Darkvater> dihedral: approved 13:22:22 <dihedral> thanks ;-) 13:23:43 <dihedral> while at it, what info does a dedicated server need from TRGI.GRF 13:24:27 <Yexo> iirc it needs the sprite sizes 13:25:47 <planetmaker> Yexo: an empty sample.cat will do, though. And empty files tend to have little information on sprite sizes. 13:26:07 <Yexo> planetmaker: sample.cat != TRGI.GRF :p 13:26:20 <planetmaker> oh, sorry, wrong file :) Missed that one. 13:26:23 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:28:36 <dihedral> Yexo, are those details 'detected' or can they be provided with a grf that actually holds no sprites? 13:28:43 <dihedral> or just empty sprites 13:29:04 <dihedral> aim being, that at least the dedicated server could run out of the box ;-) 13:29:13 <Yexo> dihedral: I've no idea. Have you tried running the server with just the opengfx graphics? 13:29:53 <dihedral> hmmm..... 13:30:15 <planetmaker> :) Would pro'ly be the easy and free solution :) 13:30:51 <dihedral> i am aiming fro free 13:30:52 <dihedral> ;-) 13:31:23 <Noldo> think I have set of graphicfiles with all sprites just transparent 13:31:27 <planetmaker> Yexo: I actually suggest to deliver the next stable along with OpenGFX. It will avoid the hassle of "where do I get / need to put these files?" 13:31:49 <Noldo> there are still some sprites missing 13:31:55 <Yexo> planetmaker: imo that should only be done if opengfx is actually finished (ie no black boxes) 13:32:12 <planetmaker> Yexo: I disagree :) 13:32:18 <planetmaker> The game w/o is unplayable. 13:32:20 <Ammler> it works with empty png 13:32:23 <planetmaker> With it, it's playable 13:32:42 <Ammler> needs only the nfo 13:32:45 <Yexo> sure, but I can already see tens of bug reports coming: Why are there black boxes in the game? 13:32:55 <planetmaker> I think people getting to start the game, seeing black boxes and asking for their reason is better than them failing and not coming back. 13:33:32 <planetmaker> Yexo: it's trading one bug for another. But a fatal one against a graphical one. 13:34:02 <Yexo> yeah, but the fatal one is quite good documented, and information on how to fix it can be found everywhere 13:34:24 <Yexo> the best solution would still be to complete opengfx in time :) 13:34:39 <Yexo> sadly there doesn't seem to be any progress lately 13:35:24 <planetmaker> I agree, the best solution is a completed OpenGFX. 13:35:41 <Noldo> btw, anyone interested in figuring out what kind of terrain templates the old terrain generator wants 13:35:56 <planetmaker> Sure. But a documented, fatal bug still is a way more severe bug than a few black boxes. And documenting that is easy. 13:36:05 <dihedral> i agree with Yexo 13:36:10 <Yexo> Noldo: not really 13:36:21 <dihedral> the amount of 'where do i get / put' will be the same as 'why are the black boxes' 13:36:40 <Yexo> why would you want to use the original map generator anyway now we have terragenesis? 13:36:47 <dihedral> what you could do however, is, when starting the game, and no graphic set is found, to offer a 'download opengfx from bananas' 13:37:06 <Noldo> Yexo: to make opengfx complete ofcource :) 13:37:06 <Eddi|zuHause> terragenesis is not perfect either 13:37:19 <dihedral> but more perfect ^^ 13:37:20 <Eddi|zuHause> perlin maps are too uniform 13:37:21 <Yexo> Eddi|zuHause: agreed, but it's a whole lot better than the original map generator 13:37:34 <Noldo> dihedral: with no fonts? 13:39:36 <petern> Eddi|zuHause! newrealisticterraforming! 13:39:43 <petern> erosion, tectonic movements... 13:39:58 <Noldo> ohnoes 13:40:02 <wollollo> smooth landscapes... 13:40:14 <planetmaker> volcanos! 13:40:23 <planetmaker> earthquakes! 13:40:32 <planetmaker> ufos! 13:40:35 <planetmaker> ehhh :) 13:40:47 *** Brokkoli [~Brokkoli@e179197104.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 13:41:02 <glx> pre 0.7.0 have earthquakes ;) 13:41:07 <Eddi|zuHause> petern: yes, and rivers cutting through mountain ranges ;) 13:41:07 <petern> planetmaker! your job! 13:41:12 <dihedral> Power plant on opening gauge.... Hiroshima 13:41:14 <planetmaker> :) 13:41:41 * planetmaker has the feeling that I got a secret update to 'someone' :P 13:41:45 <petern> the old map generator is better in some regards 13:42:26 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't remember much of the old map generator 13:42:36 <wollollo> how is it better? 13:43:32 <wollollo> (By the way, is it still possible to play with the old AI?) 13:43:42 <Eddi|zuHause> no 13:43:43 <petern> on arctic and subtropic you get distinct regions 13:43:48 <petern> high and low 13:44:15 <petern> tgp doesn't do that 13:44:58 <petern> tgp often struggles to even reach the snow line some times... 13:45:08 <petern> often sometimes? never mind :p 13:45:34 <petern> tgp is better at vast lakes i think 13:45:52 *** TrueBrain [~truebrain@145.118.72.57] has joined #openttd 13:45:59 <TrueBrain> hello lovely people :) 13:46:05 <Yexo> hello TrueBrain 13:46:12 * dihedral waves a wiled hello to TrueBrain 13:46:12 <petern> hello sir tb 13:46:20 *** Scuddles^ [~notme@cm49.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:46:22 <TrueBrain> how are you guys doing here? :) 13:46:30 <petern> well 13:46:34 <petern> we were lost, doing nothing 13:46:36 <petern> until you arrived 13:46:45 <TrueBrain> now you are stll lost, but talking 13:46:51 <dihedral> aye 13:46:52 <TrueBrain> so I am good for something after all ;) 13:47:03 <dihedral> # save me, save me, save me...... 13:47:19 <TrueBrain> # and I will see you in a little while 13:47:51 <petern> let me guess 13:47:53 <petern> save me by queen 13:48:06 <dihedral> \o/ 13:48:19 <petern> it was the "save me" bit that i guessed 13:48:19 <TrueBrain> I at least sing songs of Pax 217 :) 13:48:41 <dihedral> it was kinda obvious petern 13:48:51 <dihedral> just like #mamma 13:49:02 <petern> should i have suffixed with ";)" ? 13:49:10 <dihedral> ^^ 13:49:15 <TrueBrain> petern: sarcasm and IRC don't combine :p 13:49:32 <petern> wasn't sarcasm 13:49:33 <dihedral> saIrCasm 13:49:35 <dihedral> it works 13:50:58 <TrueBrain> hmm .. I didn't set up my OpenTTD mail account yet ... lol :p 13:51:22 <planetmaker> hey, hello TrueBrain :) 13:52:47 <glx> hello TrueBrain 13:53:03 *** mikl [~mikl@80.199.116.190.static.peytz.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:53:06 <Belugas> hello peoplez 13:53:30 <planetmaker> hello Dolphin^WBelugas 13:53:59 * TrueBrain hugs Belugas 13:54:03 <TrueBrain> glx: got anywhere with 10.3.9? 13:54:08 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@e176240038.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 13:54:26 <glx> yes we found what cause the crashes 13:54:37 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 13:54:40 <glx> but openttd is uncompilable on 10.3.9 13:54:48 <planetmaker> oh... :( 13:55:21 <planetmaker> glx: what changed that broke compil-ability? 13:55:52 <glx> SDK :) 13:56:05 <planetmaker> he... 13:56:22 <glx> openttd seems to need 10.4.0u SDK even when targeting for 10.3.9 13:56:25 <TrueBrain> glx: yeah, you need 10.4u SDK to compile it, that is no suprise 13:56:34 <TrueBrain> that is because how the dynamic system works in OSX 13:56:43 <planetmaker> hu? 13:56:49 <TrueBrain> I guess if you add some #ifdef blocks, you can make it compile on 10.3 again 13:57:10 <glx> anyway the breaking rev is r14773 13:59:21 <TrueBrain> signals, yeah, Rubidium told me that yesterday ... weird that it makes 10.3.9 goes crazy ;) 13:59:50 <glx> probably something added magically by a lib ;) 14:00:19 <glx> and as SDK 10.4u is used it adds something unavailable on 10.3 14:00:39 <TrueBrain> anyway, if you want OpenTTD to compile on a 10.3.9 SDK, you need to add #ifdefs around blocks like 'statvfs' .. how are they called ... 14:01:01 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e176240038.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:01:01 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 14:01:01 <glx> that's not the problem :) 14:01:12 <TrueBrain> then why does it fail to compile? 14:01:25 <dihedral> os x does not support as many singals 14:01:26 <glx> some macros and enums are not defined in 10.3.0 SDK (the one available on 10.3 14:01:34 <TrueBrain> like? 14:01:41 <dihedral> i cannot remember, i need to check 14:01:44 <dihedral> i noticed that with ap+ 14:01:54 <TrueBrain> dihedral: I was talking to glx, sorry ;) 14:01:59 <glx> like MAC_OS_X_VERSION_10_4 14:02:06 <TrueBrain> glx: those are easy defined :) 14:02:13 <dihedral> when i added signal handling, i then filtered for signals supported by the system, and then it was fine 14:02:18 <glx> or gestaltSystemVersionMajor 14:02:31 <TrueBrain> #ifndef MAC_OS_X_VERSION_10_4 14:02:33 <TrueBrain> #define MAC_OS_X_VERSION_10_4 1040 14:02:34 <TrueBrain> #endif 14:02:35 <glx> it's in 10.3.9 SDK but not in previous ones 14:02:36 <TrueBrain> we already do take care of that ;) 14:03:25 <TrueBrain> glx: now that gestalt is a problem yes .. 14:03:54 <TrueBrain> glx: anyway, I guess the solution is VERY simple: don't call those signals for 10.3.9 14:04:02 <TrueBrain> let the game crash there without error 14:05:13 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has joined #openttd 14:05:15 <TrueBrain> btw, glx, if you really want it to compile on 10.3.9, you can check agains MAC_OS_X_VERSION_10_3 compile-time, and bypass those gestalt functions (as you know it is 10.3 or lower, and 10.2 we don't support anyway ;)) 14:05:50 <Burns> i have a dedicated server and rcon access, how can i change the Plane speed factor with rcon? 14:06:12 <Burns> is there a list somewhere woth all these commandnames? 14:06:23 <Yexo> list_cmds 14:06:35 <Yexo> and list_settings for all settings 14:06:56 <dihedral> and wiki.openttd.org and tt-forums.net 14:06:57 <dihedral> :-P 14:07:04 <dihedral> i think it's plane_speed 14:07:06 <dihedral> not sure though 14:07:14 <Yexo> for the plane speed factor is "set vehicle.plane_speed value" 14:07:33 <dihedral> what he says 14:07:43 <Burns> thx, the wiki doesnt list that much of these commands 14:08:53 *** wollollo [~martin@dyn1206-150.wlan.ic.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:08:54 <dihedral> then you can extend it - it's a wiki after all 14:09:12 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.97.27] has joined #openttd 14:09:13 <TrueBrain> I think it is an endless battle to keep the wiki up-to-date :p 14:09:29 <dihedral> odd 14:09:31 <dihedral> :-P 14:09:34 <Burns> true 14:09:34 <TrueBrain> damn, I made this lovely desert for myself, but forgot to buy the key ingredient ... and I REALLY don't feel like going out again ... 14:09:46 <Burns> but all rcon commands should be listed in some txt file atleast 14:09:48 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm49.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 14:10:00 <dihedral> Burns, they are listed, list_cmds 14:10:04 <Yexo> Burns: as I already said, execute list_cmds 14:10:08 <dihedral> HAHA 14:10:16 * dihedral was faster ^^ 14:10:19 <TrueBrain> hmm .. and it still is in a very liquid state .... I guess I fucked up my desert today ... 14:10:19 <Burns> in game is not the same as external .txt file 14:10:32 <dihedral> TrueBrain, gelantine? 14:10:41 <TrueBrain> Burns: so you want us to execute that command, pipe it to a text file, for every version of the game? :p 14:10:44 <dihedral> Burns, search the wiki :-P 14:10:44 <TrueBrain> seems a bit undoable ;) 14:10:53 <TrueBrain> dihedral: something like that ... 14:10:54 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:11:05 <dihedral> grab a straw and drink it TB :-P 14:11:06 <Ammler> Burns: adv. settings are in openttd.cfg 14:11:25 <TrueBrain> dihedral: well .. the idea is that you can put it on your plate and eat it with a fork 14:11:30 <petern> # don't stop me now 14:11:31 <Yexo> Burns: http://hg.openttd.org/openttd/trunk.hg/file/b44646cb3a17/src/console_cmds.cpp, from line 1708 onward you'll find all commands :p 14:11:33 <TrueBrain> I guess ... that is not what will be happening now :p 14:11:40 * petern blames dihedral for forcing him to put queen on 14:11:41 <dihedral> # i'm having such a good time 14:11:44 <Burns> haha 14:11:48 * TrueBrain hates petern for having Queen on 14:11:55 <petern> jealous, eh? 14:12:02 <TrueBrain> yup 14:12:03 <dihedral> Yexo, very nice :-) 14:12:35 <dihedral> petern, queen or 'the queen' ? 14:12:36 <dihedral> ^^ 14:13:01 * dihedral kills his valgrind thingy 14:13:07 * TrueBrain dies 14:13:22 <TrueBrain> I hope dihedral never runs me again in a valgrind .. messy :( 14:14:22 <dihedral> sorry TB 14:14:29 <dihedral> i just wanted to check if you..... leak ^^ 14:14:42 <dihedral> and.... where? 14:14:44 <dihedral> ehhh.... 14:14:46 * dihedral hides 14:15:07 <TrueBrain> yeah .. hide .. please do :p 14:15:12 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 14:15:19 <Darkvater> queen, yaay :) 14:15:35 <TrueBrain> oh no, not a Darkvater 14:15:46 <TrueBrain> did you contribute anything by now Darkvater? Or still floating around? :p :p 14:15:58 <Darkvater> I commanded dihedral to work on openttd 14:16:15 <TrueBrain> yeah. .. like that was such a good move :p 14:16:18 <TrueBrain> oh wait .. dihedral is here too .. :p :p 14:16:37 <Darkvater> :) 14:16:38 <dihedral> hey - at least i try 14:16:42 <dihedral> and i do my best at it 14:16:48 <TrueBrain> :) :) 14:16:48 <dihedral> and it has not been entirely useless ^^ 14:16:50 * TrueBrain hugs dihedral 14:16:53 <dihedral> yeah yeah 14:17:01 <dihedral> not after knowing where you leak ^^ 14:17:08 * dihedral chuckles 14:17:11 <TrueBrain> so stop running valgrind on me :( 14:17:22 <dihedral> http://pub.dihedral.de/openttd/valgrind.txt 14:18:46 <TrueBrain> just 1897 bytes ... not bad :) 14:19:06 <TrueBrain> next time run a debug binary 14:19:09 <TrueBrain> gives more useful data 14:19:12 <TrueBrain> instead of: 'openttd' 14:19:14 <TrueBrain> :s 14:19:14 <SmatZ> those 4 mallocs are blitter, video driver, sound driver and such... it leaks only once per run 14:19:48 <SmatZ> I fixed that once, wanted to ask petern about it, but then I forgot :-p 14:20:05 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: most good ideas end like that :p 14:20:31 <Darkvater> so how does this chap up here leak 100MB+? 14:20:52 <TrueBrain> Darkvater: don't drink so much water! 14:21:11 <Zahl> oh hai 14:21:13 *** smeding [~smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 14:21:15 <SmatZ> maybe it doesn't leak, it is just allocated and freed when program stops 14:21:21 <SmatZ> oh hallo thar, Zahl 14:21:36 <Darkvater> fuck 14:21:39 <Darkvater> dont' have a mousese 14:21:42 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r15629 /trunk/src/script/squirrel_helper.hpp: -Fix (r15027): Validate strings that are passed from squirrel to the API, not strings passed from the API to squirrel. 14:21:42 <Darkvater> -ese 14:21:43 <Darkvater> +e 14:21:58 <Darkvater> but he said something like "alread +100MB since the last time" 14:22:16 <TrueBrain> don't believe everything you read 14:23:25 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:24:00 <Alberth> dihedral: maybe you should code a command to query mem use by the pools 14:24:17 <Zahl> is it about possible memleaks? 14:24:26 <Darkvater> wasn't blathijs busy rewriting the mempools? 14:24:28 <dihedral> TBleaks 14:24:31 <TrueBrain> Darkvater: LOL! 14:24:39 <SmatZ> Darkvater: indeed, very busy :-) 14:24:40 <Darkvater> he started sometime before I stopped developing P: 14:24:49 <dihedral> hehe 14:25:01 <blathijs> Darkvater: No time to finish that yet 14:25:04 <dihedral> wisdom chased him 14:25:07 <dihedral> yet he ran faster 14:25:11 <TrueBrain> blathijs: you expect it ever to finish? :p 14:25:18 <blathijs> though most code is working, but haven't got around to really integrating them yet 14:25:22 <blathijs> TrueBrain: Not so much anymore 14:25:27 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 14:25:46 <TrueBrain> blathijs: but then again .. no other person here ever had the guts to pick up where you left off and finish it .. :) 14:25:49 <blathijs> I think the pools have been changed a lot, and doesn't seem to be much demand for something updated 14:26:33 <blathijs> TrueBrain: Which shouldn't need too much guts anyway. There was some scary template code, granted, but most of the code is well documented 14:26:45 <Alberth> Zahl: we would rather like to discuss confirmed mem leaks instead 14:26:50 <TrueBrain> blathijs: very true; still I wouldn't want to touch it (again) :p 14:27:01 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.41] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:27:02 <blathijs> :-) 14:28:00 <Zahl> Alberth: :-D thats the hard part i guess 14:30:35 <dihedral> well, then i'll run another valgrind 14:30:40 <dihedral> with debug ^^ 14:30:41 <Zahl> dihedral: i have a savegame from r15599 with no patch and no newgrf now. its the same thing there 14:30:47 <Zahl> with 500 trains 14:30:51 <dihedral> well done 14:31:01 <Zahl> woulds that help somehow? 14:31:08 <dihedral> you know - i met someone, he said he was keen to fix it 14:31:15 <Zahl> or can i provide forther information somehow 14:31:15 <dihedral> ^^ 14:31:21 <dihedral> bugs.openttd.org 14:31:29 *** Mortal is now known as Guest886 14:31:31 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 14:31:52 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:32:12 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 14:33:09 <TrueBrain> Zahl: how should we know if you are capable of such task? :p 14:33:18 <Zahl> :p 14:33:40 *** Guest886 [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:34:07 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 14:36:12 *** Timitry [~Tim@p5B37D0DF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:38:11 <Burns> how can i get computer competitors in multiplayer? 14:38:34 <Burns> me and my friend want to pla a Hard game like in singelplayer but in the same company 14:38:36 <SmatZ> set ai_in_multiplayer 1 14:38:38 <SmatZ> start_ai 14:38:40 <SmatZ> for example 14:39:48 <petern> confirmed memleaks? I can confirm is, just don't know where ;p 14:39:52 <petern> *it 14:39:55 *** Timitry [~Tim@p5B37D0DF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 14:40:34 <Alberth> Burns: in the advanced settings you can activate it 14:40:57 <Burns> it is activated, a computer player just joined i think... 14:41:10 <Burns> or some unknown monkey from the internet 14:42:28 <TrueBrain> Burns: check if there is (Player) behind the company name ;) 14:42:45 *** dvo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 14:42:59 <Burns> nope, it looks like an AI, but he doesnt build anything yet 14:43:38 <totalwormage> then you should be winning ;] 14:44:20 <dihedral> LOL 14:47:12 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:50:23 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 14:53:02 <Burns> i play singelplayer now and the computer still dont build, and is called Unnamed, have i missed som setitngs? 14:53:16 <TrueBrain> Check under ? in AI Debug Window what it is doing 14:54:16 <Burns> where is the AI debug window? 14:54:23 <Burns> ah found it 14:54:24 <TrueBrain> Check under ? in AI Debug Window what it is doing 14:54:27 <TrueBrain> reading can be hard ;) 14:54:45 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.97.27] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Like it? Visit #hydrairc on EFNet] 14:55:00 <Burns> its blank 14:55:11 <TrueBrain> do you have an AI at all? 14:55:21 <Burns> It say DummyAI(v1) 14:55:27 <planetmaker> :D 14:55:28 <Burns> that is not good i think 14:55:28 <Yexo> in that case you don't have an AI 14:55:30 <TrueBrain> it mgiht be useful to download an AI ... 14:55:51 <planetmaker> TrueBrain: then the game gets too difficult... 14:55:55 <Burns> haha, i didnt know you had to download the seperatly 14:55:57 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: true :p 14:56:09 <TrueBrain> Burns: use the ingame content service 14:56:22 <planetmaker> Burns: consider them a special kind of newgrf (though I know it's technically wrong) 14:56:23 <Burns> me and my friend have playd sandbox with eachother all this time :) 14:56:36 <TrueBrain> and still not winning 14:56:52 <Yexo> Burns: was that window completely empty? 14:56:58 <Yexo> it should display some error lines 14:57:28 <Burns> nope, empty 14:57:44 <SmatZ> http://paste.openttd.org/180120 maybe memleaks... the address aren't accurate, I compiled with --enable-debug 14:59:07 *** Mortal is now known as Guest892 14:59:10 *** Guest892 [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:59:10 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 14:59:56 <Burns> any recomendation on AI? 15:00:04 <TrueBrain> AdmiralAI, NoCAB, .. 15:06:26 <petern> SmatZ: on a dedicated server, the first and second don't apply 15:06:38 <petern> my virtual size was over 3 GB, heh 15:07:37 *** TrueBrain [~truebrain@145.118.72.57] has left #openttd [Konversation terminated!] 15:08:36 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 15:10:32 <planetmaker> he... DoCommands tend to be issued quite often... 15:10:43 <planetmaker> ... or we see a kinda boring game :P 15:11:02 <planetmaker> cu later folks 15:12:03 <Felicitus> hmm is there a way to tell a dedicated server not to echo back everything players write? or another way round: if a player types "!login", is it possible not to echo that back to other players? 15:13:21 <Yexo> Felicitus: tell the players to msg that in private to the server 15:13:35 <Yexo> via the client list you can sent private messages 15:13:39 <Felicitus> yes i know 15:14:18 <Belugas> [09:56] <TrueBrain> reading can be hard ;) <--- guess on what i'm working? I read that and it turned out like just "reading card" 15:14:21 <Yexo> then I don't get what you're asking 15:14:50 <Felicitus> Yexo: if you type !login on kurt's server, even if sent to all, the server captures that and doesnt send it to other players 15:15:08 <Yexo> you'll need to patch the server for that 15:15:12 <Felicitus> ok 15:16:35 <SmatZ> petern: true, the first two are from client, the third is from (dedicated) server... I wonder how you managed that :-x 15:18:48 <petern> same way as dihedral probably ;) 15:18:58 <SmatZ> :) 15:20:30 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r15630 /trunk/src/ai/ai_scanner.cpp: -Fix (r15027): Make sure OpenTTD loads the dummy AI script when no other AI is available instead of a non-existing file. 15:20:54 <Yexo> now at least the dummy AI prints a message in the ai debug panel 15:21:25 <Alberth> 'please upgrade me'? 15:21:52 <Yexo> AILog.Error(\"No suitable AI found to load.\"); \n\ 15:21:52 <Yexo> AILog.Error(\"This AI is a dummy AI and won't do anything.\"); \n\ 15:21:52 <Yexo> AILog.Error(\"Please add one or several AIs in your ai/ directory.\"); \n\ 15:22:19 <Alberth> right! you were one step ahead of me. 15:25:45 <Belugas> he.. waht to expect... he's a dev! 15:25:48 * Belugas hides... 15:26:25 <Alberth> Your selection procedure for new devs is paying off :D 15:26:47 <petern> yeah, those old devs suck 15:32:58 <Burns> Yexo: nice :) 15:33:42 <Eddi|zuHause> i take "devs that start with a B for 100" :p 15:35:05 <Burns> What is Belugas 15:35:34 <Burns> oh sorry that was the question 15:36:34 <Belugas> Belugas is an old sucking dev 15:37:22 <SmatZ> Belugas is depressed 15:37:27 * SmatZ presses Belugas 15:38:28 <Alberth> Belugas: no, you are not, you submitted the first half of my left-edge patch last night. 15:38:34 <Eddi|zuHause> well, actually i was aiming at another dev that starts with B 15:38:40 <thingwath> Belugas in the press. I should have taken the free newspaper today. 15:38:51 <SmatZ> :o) 15:39:14 <Darkvater> Eddi|zuHause: J? 15:39:36 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, something like that ;) 15:39:49 <Darkvater> the bane of all that is good 15:40:13 *** bubersson [~bubersson@stechovice.eurosignal.cz] has joined #openttd 15:41:02 <Belugas> i'm not depressed 15:41:06 <Belugas> i'm busy 15:41:15 <Belugas> buzy starts with b 15:41:20 <Belugas> muhwawawawawa 15:41:48 <Darkvater> you're bepressed 15:41:49 <SmatZ> :) 15:41:50 <thingwath> we all start with b. 15:41:54 <SmatZ> :-D 15:42:16 <Belugas> BarkVater 15:42:18 <Belugas> youhou!!! 15:42:24 <Belugas> Woooof woooof 15:42:33 <Belugas> blx 15:42:35 <Belugas> mmm... 15:42:37 <Belugas> not funny 15:42:37 <SmatZ> :-D 15:42:44 <Belugas> bmatz 15:42:55 <Belugas> unprononciable!! 15:43:01 <Alberth> blx is b-resistent 15:43:31 <Eddi|zuHause> Belugas: that's normal, czech in general is unpronouncible :) 15:43:31 <Darkvater> babbbabeb 15:43:38 *** el_en [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has joined #openttd 15:44:11 <SmatZ> :op 15:44:13 <thingwath> bmatz, hm, that should not be that hard 15:44:41 <thingwath> blmatz or brmatz would be better, of course 15:44:43 <Eddi|zuHause> says the other czech person :p 15:45:02 <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause: as if bddi was any better :-p 15:45:20 <Eddi|zuHause> well, i have the advantage of not being a dev :p 15:46:45 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:50:31 <Belugas> [10:47] <Eddi|zuHause> well, i have the advantage of not being a dev :p <--- yeah... you, you can play ;) 15:50:50 <SmatZ> :) 15:52:54 *** [1]KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.19.35.67] has joined #openttd 15:59:08 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.16.107.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:59:08 *** [1]KenjiE20 is now known as KenjiE20 15:59:12 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:01:40 *** narc [~narc@86.104.40.152] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:03:08 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 16:15:11 <el_en> http://www.spiegel.de/reise/aktuell/0,1518,611816,00.html 16:16:20 <SmatZ> ouch 16:16:41 <el_en> aber ohne Passagiere 16:16:45 <el_en> english only 16:19:45 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 16:24:08 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.97.27] has joined #openttd 16:30:05 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 16:31:57 <Alberth> not the best place to park a wagon 16:38:08 <petern> mmm, suboptimal 16:39:05 *** PeCeT_full [PeCeT_full@host-137-99.jkns.pl] has joined #openttd 16:54:29 *** kd5pbo [~kd5pbo@136.242.108.177] has joined #openttd 16:57:49 <Belugas> betern... no... not a funny name either 16:59:30 *** Jerre [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:59:56 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:01:24 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5D850.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 17:06:56 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:08:03 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 17:09:43 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: bbl (hopefully)] 17:10:55 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 17:12:11 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 17:13:56 <planetmaker> bubidium :D 17:14:24 <planetmaker> the German connotation is quite funny :) 17:14:38 <planetmaker> kinda "small, cute boy" 17:16:02 <Belugas> blanetbaker 17:16:03 <SmatZ> :-D 17:16:48 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fe742.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 17:17:03 <el_en> BlatZ 17:17:44 <el_en> but wait, i've to an even funnier one: 17:17:48 <el_en> "bjarni" 17:17:53 <Belugas> bl_en 17:17:54 <Belugas> blen 17:18:16 <Belugas> Bruebrain 17:18:22 <Belugas> Brew Brain 17:18:24 <Belugas> lol!!! 17:18:30 <planetmaker> rofl 17:18:45 <el_en> Barkvater 17:19:10 <Belugas> [10:44] <@Belugas> BarkVater <--- you're too late! 17:20:27 <Sacro> Budde? 17:20:38 <Ammler> "Reconfig done. Please re-execute make." <-- obsolete, as it happens automatically... 17:20:55 <SmatZ> not when you do configure --reconfigure 17:20:56 <frosch123> bs boday "b bay" ? 17:21:39 <planetmaker> bn, boday ns bot b-bay, but bome b-bour burrently 17:21:40 <Ammler> SmatZ: that's the same with ./configure 17:21:58 <planetmaker> next bour bill be b-bour :P 17:22:43 <Ammler> well dosn't hurt, just a note ;-) 17:27:28 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 17:28:25 <Burns> how many minutes is a ingame year? 17:28:51 *** PeCeT_full [PeCeT_full@host-137-99.jkns.pl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:28:54 *** dvo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:29:28 <Ammler> not that hard to take the time self... 17:29:44 <Burns> it takes some time :) 17:30:20 <frosch123> @calc 74*0.03*365/60 17:30:20 <DorpsGek> frosch123: 13.505 17:30:28 <frosch123> around 13.5 minutes 17:31:16 <Burns> thx :) 17:40:15 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:41:16 <Eddi|zuHause> <SmatZ> not when you do configure --reconfigure <- but wouldn't one expect a person who runs configure explicitly to intend to run make anyway? 17:43:08 <Belugas> maybe not 17:43:24 <Belugas> maybe they'll rather use anIDE to perform the make.. 17:43:33 <Belugas> dunno.. just a though 17:43:42 <Belugas> that's waht i did with KDE recently 17:43:55 <SmatZ> :) 17:44:42 <Burns> 14m 3s 6ms during my simple test så i think 13.5minutes is correct :) 17:45:54 *** Yeggs-work is now known as Yeggstry 17:47:50 <Belugas> strange...you ask, then you verify... 17:47:55 <Belugas> why? 17:47:58 <el_en> English à nly! 17:49:01 <Burns> sry, i have big fingers, its hard to miss all my extra non english character :P 17:49:53 <Burns> Belugas: i started to take time first then i thought it might be faster to ask 17:50:51 <Belugas> silly me... of course... i should have though about that answer 17:51:04 <Eddi|zuHause> but there is no non-english character next to 'O' 17:51:34 <Burns> no but next to 'P' 17:51:42 <Belugas> mhh... 17:51:44 <Belugas> P... 17:51:46 <Belugas> good idea... 17:51:46 <Burns> and P is almost close to 'O' 17:51:48 <Belugas> PEEEEEE! 17:55:20 <Eddi|zuHause> muahhh... a 5 year dig! 17:55:31 <Eddi|zuHause> these newbies get worse every day... 17:56:43 * frosch123 votes for banning: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=7822 17:57:12 <frosch123> oh, eddi just seems to have read the same :) 17:58:04 <frosch123> (you are allowed to relocate 'just' to your liking) 17:59:24 <petern> gone 18:00:30 <Eddi|zuHause> no, i actually meant a different thread 18:00:50 <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=10731 <- this one 18:01:03 <SmatZ> hahahah is one funny person 18:01:57 <petern> gone 18:02:28 <SmatZ> :) 18:03:43 <Eddi|zuHause> omg... did anyone look at the main forum view? this guy has posted in practically every forum... 18:06:43 <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.tt-forums.net/search.php?author_id=27846&sr=posts <- this is silly... 18:06:54 <SmatZ> indeed 18:07:13 <SmatZ> I guess it needs a "global admin" for that... 18:08:43 <Eddi|zuHause> which brings me back to the fact that the ignore function is useless 18:13:05 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 18:20:44 * frosch123 is quite amused, that nodualhead.nfo was downloaded 5 times more often than nodualhead.grf 18:21:03 <Belugas> they want to know how you did it :) 18:21:05 <Belugas> good thing 18:21:15 <Belugas> there are now 5 less morons on the planet 18:21:48 <Belugas> mmh... 18:21:49 <frosch123> oh, my english failed. I meant factor 5 more often 18:21:52 <Belugas> not garanteed 18:22:41 *** lolman [~lolman@static-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 18:28:14 *** PeCeT_full [PeCeT_full@host-137-99.jkns.pl] has joined #openttd 18:34:05 *** Jerre [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 18:35:26 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:35:51 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 18:40:28 *** JapaMala [~Japa@117.201.97.27] has joined #openttd 18:40:38 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@216-165-17-193.DYNAPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 18:42:12 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:42:54 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.6/2009011913]] 18:46:09 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.97.27] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:46:09 *** JapaMala is now known as |Japa| 18:48:38 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r15631 /trunk/src/lang/ (9 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) 18:48:38 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2009-03-06 18:47:57 18:48:38 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: catalan - 1 fixed by arnaullv (1) 18:48:38 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: german - 33 changed by planetmaker (33) 18:48:38 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: greek - 14 fixed by hellis (14) 18:48:39 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: korean - 1 fixed by darkttd (1) 18:48:39 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: luxembourgish - 818 fixed by Gubius (818) 18:48:45 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:50:28 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 18:54:22 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5D850.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 18:55:46 *** valhalla1w [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:57:09 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5D850.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 18:58:26 *** kd5pbo [~kd5pbo@136.242.108.177] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:02:05 <Ammler> saperlott, another 33 changes :-o 19:03:04 <Eddi|zuHause> makes you wonder what junk we were having all this time :p 19:04:26 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-211-146-65.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:04:43 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 19:04:58 <PeCeT_full> yelloh 19:05:37 <Nite_Owl> Hello PeCeT_full 19:06:16 <Burns> when i compile openttd my self for win32 its asking for mgwz.dll, any one know how to get around this? 19:06:49 <Burns> its working on hte computer i compiled on that have cygwin and all libs on it but not on a plain other computer without devkits 19:07:02 *** kd5pbo [~kd5pbo@136.242.108.177] has joined #openttd 19:10:19 <Belugas> Burns, i never needd that dll. what google says about it? 19:11:20 <Burns> it something with mingw, there should be som flag to compile with included support or something 19:12:01 <Burns> but i cant find the flag :( 19:13:39 <Rubidium> --enable-static ? 19:13:57 <Rubidium> or not add --disable-static 19:14:32 <Burns> i did that... got other ugly error before i did 19:15:30 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@frquadrat.de] has quit [Quit: Connection reset by caffein depletion...] 19:19:46 *** Sacro [~ben@static-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Sacro] 19:20:31 <Burns> hmm, that error was with --disable-static, with --enable-static i get lots of libz errors 19:23:25 <Rubidium> then you might be missing libz.a 19:24:27 <Burns> i check... 19:25:44 <Rubidium> the nightlies that are built with mingw are built with --enable-static 19:26:20 <Burns> i find zlib, but not libz is it the same or is it diffrent libs? 19:26:46 <Rubidium> it's the same, but there must be a libz.a 19:26:56 <Rubidium> did you follow the guideline on the wiki? 19:28:54 <Burns> yes, and i found this now... http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=41571 19:29:27 <Burns> but with disable static the mgwz.dll error appears on normal computers 19:30:23 <Eddi|zuHause> the easy solution is: just put the .dll next to the .exe 19:32:30 <Burns> then i want more dlls from cygwin :( 19:32:41 <Burns> i try to repair the zlib somehow 19:33:59 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15632 /trunk/src/ (3 files in 2 dirs): -Feature: allow downloading scenarios and heightmaps via bananas. 19:37:22 *** lolman [~lolman@static-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:37:43 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@216-165-17-193.DYNAPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Quit: RS-SM] 19:37:56 *** lolman [~lolman@static-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 19:38:05 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@216-165-17-193.DYNAPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 19:39:54 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm49.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: sleep] 19:40:18 <el_en> let's assume 19:46:08 *** PeCeT_full [PeCeT_full@host-137-99.jkns.pl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:50:25 *** jpm_ [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has joined #openttd 19:50:51 *** jpm [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:55:26 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-211-146-65.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 19:59:29 <el_en> ok, let's stop now. 20:01:08 *** ciclone [~dax@88-149-247-143.dynamic.ngi.it] has joined #openttd 20:01:11 <ciclone> hi guys :D 20:01:19 <Yexo> hello ciclone 20:01:35 <Paul2> hi guys. Just a quicky...very roughly whats the min spec for a dedicated server? I have seen some people quote PIII on forum and things...is it really that much? 20:01:46 *** lolman [~lolman@static-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 20:02:04 *** lolman [~lolman@static-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 20:02:22 <el_en> it must depend on the map sizes you intend to use. 20:02:44 <ciclone> guys just a question: i download today the last nightly (r15631), but i can't found the old signals 20:03:42 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejg122.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 20:03:47 <Yexo> Paul2: before starting just another random server, please think about something unique your server has, ie why should users play on your server and not on another? 20:03:55 <Yexo> ciclone: what old signals, the semaphores? 20:04:29 <ciclone> this Yexo : http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/images/0/00/Yapp_signalgui.png 20:05:00 <ciclone> the "path signal" and the "one-way path signal" 20:05:03 <Yexo> ah, pbs signals, though you can hardly call them 'old' 20:05:12 <ciclone> yes sry :D 20:05:13 <ciclone> ehehehhe 20:05:24 <ciclone> (bad english :D ) 20:05:58 <Yexo> how do you mean you can't find them anymore? Can you still open the signal gui? 20:07:32 <ciclone> yexo yes the signal gui is opened.. but i resolve.. i restart the game :D 20:07:36 <ciclone> sry : 20:07:37 <ciclone> :D 20:07:45 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:07:53 <Yexo> then you most likely started o.6.3 by accident or something 20:07:54 *** lolman [~lolman@static-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:08:04 <Yexo> anyway, nice it's solved again :) 20:08:28 *** lolman [~lolman@static-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 20:10:47 <ciclone> aaajjaajaj yes yexo i accidentaly start 0.6.3 :P 20:29:33 <Paul2> el_en / Yexo : thanks for the reply sorry was just reading forum. It's an internal server mostly for a university/community type arrangement 20:29:51 <Paul2> (and hence buying the latest blade server is probably unlikely) 20:30:15 <Yexo> ah, in that case, any hardware would probably do for 256x256 maps 20:30:58 <Yexo> if you want to play 1024x1024 (or bigger) maps, or maps with lots ( > 500) trains, or a lot of ships (> 50), you should just try out what works 20:32:18 <Yexo> I wonder why there still is a 0.5.2 server online, and even 2 clients are playing on it 20:32:35 <Yexo> and another 2 clients are playing on another 0.5.3 server 20:35:31 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:41:04 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-159-250.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:42:15 <Paul2> Yexo: cheers :) I might have a go and see :) 20:45:13 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5D850.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 20:45:35 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 20:47:31 *** sigmund_ [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 20:49:08 <Rubidium> Yexo: (some) people aren't very upgrady 20:49:14 *** sigmund [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:50:17 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:50:29 <Rubidium> e.g. about 30% of IE users going to our website use < 7.0 20:50:57 <frosch123> but I bet those running "0.6.0-beta3" think it is a newer and better version than 0.6.3 20:51:12 <Rubidium> and only 5 20:51:20 *** wollollo [~martin@dyn1076-184.hor.ic.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 20:51:28 <Rubidium> and only 5-10% of the firefox users seems to be using the latest version 21:00:08 *** Felicitu1 [~Felicitus@idefix.timohummel.com] has joined #openttd 21:04:28 *** NightKhaos [~nightkhao@78-86-111-126.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:07:13 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r15633 /trunk/src/fios.cpp: -Fix (r15632): apparently there are several conflicting definitions of the arguments / return values of strrchr. 21:07:18 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@216-165-17-193.DYNAPOOL.NYU.EDU] has left #openttd [] 21:16:33 <ciclone> have to go, bye bye :D 21:16:38 *** ciclone [~dax@88-149-247-143.dynamic.ngi.it] has quit [Quit: Se questo che ho deciso e questo Ú ciò che voglio,contando su me stesso io difenderò il mio orgoglio. ] 21:17:56 *** PeCeT_full [PeCeT_full@host-137-99.jkns.pl] has joined #openttd 21:19:53 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejg122.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 21:22:15 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-20-28-97.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 21:25:31 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 21:28:19 *** PeCeT_full_ [PeCeT_full@host-137-99.jkns.pl] has joined #openttd 21:28:29 *** PeCeT_full_ [PeCeT_full@host-137-99.jkns.pl] has quit [] 21:32:58 <glx> <@Rubidium> and only 5-10% of the firefox users seems to be using the latest version <-- but FF tends to upgrade itself (not from v2 to v3 though) 21:35:44 <Eddi|zuHause> # What if I say I'm not like the others? 21:35:46 <Eddi|zuHause> # What if I say I'm not just another 21:35:47 <Eddi|zuHause> # one of your plays. You're the pretender 21:35:49 <Eddi|zuHause> # What if I say that I'll never surrender? 21:36:11 * frosch123 fails to quote vangelis 21:36:39 <el_en> # Move along children, you're holding up the line. 21:36:47 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, there are things you cannot quote ;) 21:38:12 *** PeCeT_full_ [PeCeT_full@host-137-99.jkns.pl] has joined #openttd 21:38:13 <Rubidium> frosch123: # 21:38:17 *** PeCeT_full_ [PeCeT_full@host-137-99.jkns.pl] has quit [] 21:39:19 <frosch123> # :) 21:40:11 <Eddi|zuHause> vangelis. they have the song with the drum breaks where no two are the same, right? 21:40:20 *** PeCeT_full_ [PeCeT_full@host-137-99.jkns.pl] has joined #openttd 21:40:29 *** PeCeT_full_ [PeCeT_full@host-137-99.jkns.pl] has quit [] 21:40:32 <Eddi|zuHause> or am i thinking of something different? 21:40:41 <frosch123> don't know, but the fan of my graphicscard fits in... 21:40:56 *** elmex [elmex@ist.m8geil.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:41:12 <Eddi|zuHause> hehe ;) 21:41:31 <Eddi|zuHause> no, i'm probably thinking of a different song 21:42:06 *** PeCeT_full_ [PeCeT_full@host-137-99.jkns.pl] has joined #openttd 21:42:13 *** PeCeT_full_ [PeCeT_full@host-137-99.jkns.pl] has quit [] 21:43:33 <frosch123> maybe you meant the keyboard advertisement clip (linked in the offtopic) showing a orchestra, where everyone only plays a single sample 21:43:51 *** elmex [elmex@ist.m8geil.de] has joined #openttd 21:44:30 <Eddi|zuHause> the what? 21:44:36 <Eddi|zuHause> no, i probably have not seen that one 21:46:09 *** PeCeT_full [PeCeT_full@host-137-99.jkns.pl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:47:53 <frosch123> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=755294#p755294 <- that one 21:52:41 <frosch123> you see how good my memory was :p 21:59:32 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 22:02:29 *** smeding [~smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:03:23 <Belugas> W E E K E N D ! 22:03:39 <Belugas> The old guard wishes you fun and pleasure ! 22:03:53 <frosch123> have fun in your weekend job :p 22:04:03 * |Japa| bows to Belugas in a most courtly manner 22:06:25 *** lolman [~lolman@static-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:08:20 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:10:22 <SpComb> my weekend is going to be even more exhausting than my week 22:13:31 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 22:15:54 *** rabetaj [~rabetaj@193.43.249.169] has joined #openttd 22:16:42 *** smeding [~smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 22:17:58 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 22:19:27 *** rabetaj [~rabetaj@193.43.249.169] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:22:50 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: no, i have never seen that one, and it has nothing to do with what i was thinking of 22:26:05 *** lolman [~lolman@static-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 22:26:55 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:29:08 *** Jarek_B [~chatzilla@static-62-233-206-85.devs.futuro.pl] has joined #openttd 22:29:17 *** Jarek_B is now known as Powerek38 22:29:52 <Powerek38> Hi, where can I report bugs (I mean, the game crashes and I don't know why)? 22:31:14 <Rubidium> Powerek38: read the topic (title) of this channel and make an educated guess ;) 22:31:47 <Eddi|zuHause> well, it IS kind of tricky to understand the topic for an uninitiated person ;) 22:32:39 <Powerek38> well, it is, especially if you're not a very educated person :) 22:32:55 <Yexo> it's bugs.openttd.org :) 22:33:12 <Yexo> what were you doing when the game crashed? 22:33:18 <Yexo> maybe it's already known 22:34:05 <Powerek38> Yexo: nothing special, just playing... basically, it reaches a certain moment (a date) and crashes... I've tried on several nightlies including today's, but still the same 22:34:09 *** kd5pbo [~kd5pbo@136.242.108.177] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:34:29 <Yexo> in that case please make a bug report, with attached crash.cmp/log/sav 22:35:07 <Powerek38> Yexo: but you need to register at that forum beforehand, don't you? 22:35:14 *** Bergee [~bergee@c-68-40-190-70.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:35:18 <Yexo> Powerek38: yes 22:35:26 <Yexo> and it's not a forum but a bugtracker 22:36:06 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:36:45 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 22:39:19 *** PeCeT_full [PeCeT_full@host-137-99.jkns.pl] has joined #openttd 22:39:31 *** Powerek38 [~chatzilla@static-62-233-206-85.devs.futuro.pl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.7/2009021910]] 22:46:12 *** smeding [~smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:46:24 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fe742.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:49:07 *** goodger [~ben@host86-148-8-231.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:49:43 *** Zorn [~zorn@e177239187.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 22:50:35 *** PeCeT_full [PeCeT_full@host-137-99.jkns.pl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:52:53 *** Timitry [~Tim@p5B37D0DF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:57:00 *** goodger [~ben@host86-148-8-231.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 22:58:35 *** Sacro [~ben@static-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 23:00:38 *** kd5pbo [~kd5pbo@136.242.108.177] has joined #openttd 23:04:50 *** Sacro [~ben@static-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Sacro] 23:06:27 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:07:27 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:09:22 *** Everest [~10332665D@89-139-52-39.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #openttd 23:09:45 *** Sacro [~ben@static-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 23:09:52 *** el_en [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:10:44 <Everest> I would like to update from 6.3 to 7beta1 23:10:57 <Everest> can some1 help me? 23:11:08 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 23:11:11 <Aali> step 1: download 0.7beta1 23:11:16 <Everest> should I use installer or binaries>? 23:11:25 <Aali> step 2: unpack/install 0.7beta1 23:11:37 <Aali> step 3: play 0.7beta1 23:11:47 <Rubidium> Everest: use the installer 23:11:48 <Sacro> Everest: yes 23:11:52 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has quit [Quit: http://www.interplay.com/] 23:12:05 <Everest> ok 23:12:25 <Everest> it's first time I install a beta version 23:12:50 <Everest> is there something else I should do, except installing? 23:13:07 <Sacro> run it 23:13:21 <Everest> I will try it now 23:13:30 <Rubidium> backup 23:13:45 <Rubidium> but that should be standard procedure 23:13:51 *** goodger [~ben@host86-148-8-231.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:14:24 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C20D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:14:30 *** goodger [~ben@host86-148-8-231.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 23:15:17 <Everest> I will delete newGRF files cuz I red this version can download them, right? 23:15:35 <Eddi|zuHause> no 23:15:47 <Eddi|zuHause> a) you can reuse all old newgrf files 23:15:58 <Eddi|zuHause> b) not all newgrf files are available through online download 23:16:30 *** Bergee [~bergee@c-68-40-190-70.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 23:16:55 <Everest> I see 23:17:02 <Everest> thanx for that 23:17:24 <Eddi|zuHause> c) what part of "back up" do you associate with "delete"? 23:18:03 <Everest> will I loose my settings? 23:18:27 <Yexo> you should not, but backup openttd.cfg to be sure 23:18:56 <Prof_Frink> Everest: Not unless you print them out, attach them to an arrow and shoot it from a bow. 23:19:20 <Eddi|zuHause> you forgot the fire part ;) 23:20:21 <Everest> ahh 23:21:17 <Everest> I've downloaded and will install later cuz I have some programs running (should this affect my install?) 23:21:31 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 23:21:51 <Eddi|zuHause> usually not 23:21:59 <Everest> I don't want to restart 23:22:09 <Aali> as long as you're not running openttd from the very directory you're installing to 23:22:19 <Eddi|zuHause> then you have the wrong operating system ;) 23:22:23 <Aali> and you dont have to restart unless you're running win9x or something 23:22:26 <Prof_Frink> Everest: openttd was written by semi-competent people. YOu shouldn't have to restart. 23:22:49 <Everest> great 23:23:42 *** bubersson [~bubersson@stechovice.eurosignal.cz] has left #openttd [] 23:23:57 *** goodger [~ben@host86-148-8-231.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:24:23 *** goodger [~ben@host86-148-8-231.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 23:24:39 <Everest> Installed, I'm going in - seeya 23:27:21 *** Zorn [~zorn@e177239187.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )] 23:30:54 *** Everest [~10332665D@89-139-52-39.bb.netvision.net.il] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:38:02 *** OsteHovel^EEE [~OsteHovel@062016205204.customer.alfanett.no] has joined #openttd 23:38:41 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@77.163.150.18] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:39:40 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:39:56 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:42:08 *** Timitry [~Tim@p5B37D0DF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:43:50 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:46:46 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 23:49:09 *** lolman [~lolman@static-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:49:40 *** lolman [~lolman@static-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 23:53:53 *** goodger [~ben@host86-148-8-231.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:54:22 *** goodger [~ben@host86-148-8-231.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 23:58:11 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd