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00:00:47 <petern> damn 00:00:49 <petern> too slow 00:11:57 *** OwenS [~Akiramena@host86-160-63-111.range86-160.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:12:08 *** goodger [~ben@host81-152-233-98.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 00:15:12 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15800 /trunk/src/ (engine_gui.cpp gfx.cpp): -Codechange: make the engine gui use the new multiline API. 00:23:20 *** Sacro [~ben@static-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 00:26:06 <Wolf01> 'night 00:26:18 <Nite_Owl> later wolf01 00:26:25 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host148-237-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 00:30:15 *** NightKhaos [~nightkhao@78-86-111-126.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 00:30:25 *** SHRIKEE [~shrikee@84-105-53-146.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Quit: SHRIKEE] 00:40:20 *** lolman [JohnUK89@static-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:41:09 *** jpm_ [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has joined #openttd 00:45:27 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g227041097.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 00:45:51 *** jpm [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:46:12 *** jpm [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has joined #openttd 00:49:11 *** jpm_ [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:54:54 <ecke> dbg: [net] [udp] queried from '10.0.35.17' 00:54:54 <ecke> openttd: /home/marcel/bin/ottd/is2/src/oldpool.h:125: T* OldMemoryPool<T>::Get(uint) const [with T = Company]: Assertion `index < this->GetSize()' failed. 00:54:54 <ecke> Aborted 00:55:24 <Yexo> ecke: can you reproduce that problem? 00:55:30 <Yexo> hmm, is2 00:55:32 <Rubidium> Yexo: don't be bothered... 00:55:35 <Yexo> complain in #openttd.is 00:55:56 <Yexo> Rubidium: noticed that a bit late :p 00:56:52 <ecke> Ammler ? 00:56:55 <ecke> are you here? 00:58:17 <Ammler> I am, but I am no dev of that patch :-) 00:59:09 <Ammler> iirc, it is a fixed trunk bug... 00:59:25 <Ammler> but is2.0beta1 is before that. 00:59:35 *** FloSoft [sifldoer@tyra.ra-doersch.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:59:41 <Yexo> good night 00:59:49 <Ammler> night Yexo 01:00:12 *** FloSoft [sifldoer@tyra.ra-doersch.de] has joined #openttd 01:01:01 <Ammler> is2 has none known bugs, afaik. 01:01:25 <Nite_Owl> later Yexo 01:02:03 <Rubidium> Ammler: that's a fact like copy-paste can't cause desyncs, right? 01:02:03 <Ammler> btw. ecke nice first name :P 01:02:14 <ecke> not mine 01:02:15 <Ammler> Rubidium: "known" :P 01:02:32 <ecke> mean dbg? 01:02:40 <Ammler> he? 01:02:44 <ecke> :) 01:02:52 <ecke> nice first name :P ... ? 01:03:27 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-51-190.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 01:03:32 <Ammler> well, it looks like you play on my pc 01:03:56 <Ammler> > pwd 01:03:58 <Ammler> /home/marcel/bin/ottd/is2 01:04:11 <ecke> sou compiled that... 01:04:19 <ecke> *so you 01:04:37 <Ammler> ah, now, I get it, lol 01:04:42 <ecke> i am using your i686 version from forum 01:05:16 <Ammler> that is is sure the trunk bug, as this is 2.0beta1 01:05:39 <ecke> can i bypass the problem?. .. i d like to play this game 01:05:59 <Ammler> don't delete tunnels of other companies, I guess 01:06:37 <Ammler> or it is something else? 01:07:03 <Ammler> not so sure anymore :P 01:07:07 <ecke> hm... i did nothing .... i just minimize the client and then after 30 minutes ... connection lost ... and on server this message 01:07:44 <ecke> i think its another bug 01:08:32 <Ammler> indeed, maybe you can post it on the is forum? 01:08:39 <Ammler> thread* 01:09:03 <Ammler> swallow or aali would know it... 01:10:00 <Ammler> or if you can compile self, use the newest source, they made a update yesterday 01:16:29 *** FloSoft [sifldoer@tyra.ra-doersch.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:16:30 *** FloSoft [sifldoer@tyra.ra-doersch.de] has joined #openttd 01:21:24 *** paul_ [~paul@24-217-42-67.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #openttd 01:21:45 <paul_> can anyone help me with cargodest? 01:28:01 <paul_> all of my cargoes are listed as having an unknown destination, which (i think) prevents them from being routed properly 01:32:48 *** FloSoft [sifldoer@tyra.ra-doersch.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:32:48 *** FloSoft [sifldoer@tyra.ra-doersch.de] has joined #openttd 01:38:10 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93-80-158-180.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:42:23 <welshdragon> if i was to open a game that had been using the infrastructure sharing patch, and went to load the game in 0.7.0rc1,would the game crash? 01:43:11 <Sacro> welshdragon: depends if IS bumps the savegame number 01:43:11 <Rubidium> it shouldn't 01:43:25 <Rubidium> but it for sure won't be able to load the savegame 01:45:03 *** FloSoft [sifldoer@tyra.ra-doersch.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:45:03 *** FloSoft [sifldoer@tyra.ra-doersch.de] has joined #openttd 01:53:13 *** FloSoft [sifldoer@tyra.ra-doersch.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:53:13 *** FloSoft [sifldoer@tyra.ra-doersch.de] has joined #openttd 01:59:39 <Ammler> welshdragon: what does rc1 have, what is doesn't? 01:59:59 <welshdragon> shared tracks? 02:00:33 <Ammler> yes, is has that, why do you want to load such a game in rc1? 02:01:49 <welshdragon> well, sacro asked me, and i said it wouldn't work 02:03:02 <Ammler> you shouldn't miss a trunk feature in IS 02:03:27 <welshdragon> aah 02:03:27 *** pschorf [~paul@24-217-42-67.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:05:25 *** jpm_ [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has joined #openttd 02:05:25 *** jpm [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:05:28 *** FloSoft [sifldoer@tyra.ra-doersch.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:05:28 *** FloSoft [sifldoer@tyra.ra-doersch.de] has joined #openttd 02:11:21 <Sacro> grr 02:11:23 <Sacro> damn you MS 02:11:30 <Sacro> when you say 'amount of time' 02:11:39 <Sacro> SPECIFY A DAMNED UNIT >< 02:11:59 <Sacro> oh, milliseconds 02:15:43 <welshdragon> Sacro: did you give me west coast express part 2 as well? 02:17:01 <Sacro> no 02:17:30 <welshdragon> ..meh 02:17:42 *** FloSoft [sifldoer@tyra.ra-doersch.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:17:42 *** FloSoft [sifldoer@tyra.ra-doersch.de] has joined #openttd 02:17:58 <Sacro> sod this, switching to hashtable 02:21:03 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has quit [Quit: Quit] 02:29:53 *** FloSoft [sifldoer@tyra.ra-doersch.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:29:53 *** FloSoft [sifldoer@tyra.ra-doersch.de] has joined #openttd 02:42:08 *** FloSoft [sifldoer@tyra.ra-doersch.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:42:08 *** FloSoft [sifldoer@tyra.ra-doersch.de] has joined #openttd 02:47:00 *** Brokkoli [~Brokkoli@e177143139.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Ich werde morgen frÃŒh mal so richtig gepflegt Kuchen backen.] 02:54:23 *** FloSoft [sifldoer@tyra.ra-doersch.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:54:24 *** FloSoft 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#openttd 03:56:48 *** baldur [~balli@170.1.236.89.se-ld.res.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 04:03:19 *** jpm_ [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has joined #openttd 04:03:19 *** jpm [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:06:39 <baldur> hey 04:06:52 <baldur> anybody awake 04:07:03 *** FloSoft [sifldoer@tyra.ra-doersch.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:07:03 *** FloSoft [sifldoer@tyra.ra-doersch.de] has joined #openttd 04:07:21 <Sacro> Yeah 04:07:31 <Sacro> Å⎮â Â¥ 04:07:43 <baldur> uhm 04:07:48 <baldur> right? :p 04:07:51 <Gekz> sx 04:07:52 <Gekz> sex 04:08:18 <baldur> well, i don't suppose anyone else is using the translator at the moment? 04:09:08 <Sacro> I doubt it 04:09:12 <Sacro> well, not EU 04:09:34 <baldur> probably not... 04:09:50 <baldur> it's driving me crazy 04:10:28 <baldur> i'm constantly getting 500 - Internal Server Error response while trying to use it 04:10:37 <Sacro> hmm 04:11:01 <baldur> i guess i'll have to wait untill later to get to someone who can possibli fix it 04:11:41 <baldur> possibly* 04:12:06 <baldur> where on earth are you anyways? :) 04:12:37 *** Acidhurl [~i@d75-159-9-151.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 04:12:54 <Acidhurl> evening or good morning, lol anyone around? 04:13:36 <Sacro> Yeah 04:13:39 <Sacro> there are people 04:13:50 <Gekz> yeah 04:13:53 <Acidhurl> i think i found a bug in nightly 158800 04:13:55 <Acidhurl> :P 04:13:55 <Gekz> Sacro is a bot. 04:14:34 <Sacro> Acidhurl: bugs.openttd.org 04:14:43 <Gekz> Bot. 04:14:52 <Sacro> Gekz: only a turing test would prove that 04:15:03 <Gekz> you're a bot. 04:15:16 <Sacro> Gekz: only a turing test would prove that 04:15:19 <Acidhurl> lol 04:15:52 <Acidhurl> well anyone notice the latest nightly messes up station names? 04:16:03 <Gekz> no u 04:16:08 <baldur> yeah 04:16:11 <Sacro> Acidhurl: i've seen no bug reports, what kind of 'messes up'? 04:16:13 <baldur> the three dots, you mean? 04:16:17 <Acidhurl> ya 04:16:18 <Acidhurl> 3 dots 04:16:23 <baldur> mm 04:16:27 <baldur> i noticed 04:16:34 <Acidhurl> its hard not to notice that one lol 04:16:58 <Sacro> ellipses/ 04:16:59 <Sacro> ? 04:17:01 <Acidhurl> seems they did alot of changes in the last 20revisions 04:17:29 <Acidhurl> guess one of them made the 3 dots appear :) 04:17:46 <baldur> without any insight into the matter i would guess it's connected to the shortening of strings to fit the UI buttons and menus and such 04:18:10 <Acidhurl> i guess i can just go back to 15775 or something :P 04:18:14 <baldur> but maybe that came before? i haven't been keeping up to date on openttd for a long time... 04:18:26 <Sacro> I would think so 04:18:54 <Sacro> file a bug or something 04:19:18 *** FloSoft [sifldoer@tyra.ra-doersch.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:19:18 *** FloSoft [sifldoer@tyra.ra-doersch.de] has joined #openttd 04:19:44 <Acidhurl> maybe i will 04:19:50 <Acidhurl> :) 04:21:00 <Acidhurl> but i would have to sign up for flyspray lol 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seconds] 05:31:02 *** FloSoft [sifldoer@tyra.ra-doersch.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:31:03 *** FloSoft [sifldoer@tyra.ra-doersch.de] has joined #openttd 05:36:28 <Aali> that may very well be an IS bug 05:36:55 <Aali> but "I did nothing and got this generic error message" doesn't really help :/ 05:43:02 *** FloSoft [sifldoer@tyra.ra-doersch.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:43:03 *** FloSoft [sifldoer@tyra.ra-doersch.de] has joined #openttd 05:43:51 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 05:52:45 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:53:59 *** RS-SM_ [~RSCN@pool-96-224-227-112.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: RS-SM_] 05:55:02 *** FloSoft [sifldoer@tyra.ra-doersch.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:55:02 *** FloSoft [sifldoer@tyra.ra-doersch.de] has joined #openttd 05:56:08 *** jpm_ [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has joined #openttd 05:56:08 *** jpm 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<petern> each cargo list part is doubling the height, which gives a clue as to the problem ;p 07:56:32 <planetmaker> :) 07:56:50 <planetmaker> also the cost animation, if you build a station / depot / ... is replaced by "..." 07:56:55 <planetmaker> and not the amount of money 07:57:07 <petern> FS#2755 07:57:37 <planetmaker> I guess so :) 08:07:01 *** FloSoft [sifldoer@tyra.ra-doersch.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:07:02 *** FloSoft [sifldoer@tyra.ra-doersch.de] has joined #openttd 08:10:44 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r15801 /trunk/src/misc_gui.cpp: -Fix (r15797): The new DrawStringMultiLine() now returns the new y position instead of the height, so we don't need to add it on. 08:15:04 <petern> Rubidium, why does r15800 add another 'mt' on to y? it's add a blank line now... 08:19:02 *** FloSoft [sifldoer@tyra.ra-doersch.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:19:02 *** FloSoft [sifldoer@tyra.ra-doersch.de] has joined #openttd 08:19:50 <Rubidium> probably because line 640 is off-by-one mt too 08:20:38 <petern> hmm, so it's off for centering? 08:21:34 <petern> return y + (align == SA_CENTER) ? mt : 0; 08:21:40 <petern> or some such 08:22:28 <Rubidium> well, I've messed up a bit with the first MultiCenter -> MultiLine changes and I'm looking at it now, but it's kinda tricky business 08:24:48 <petern> i figured you were still working on stuff hence not fixing FS#2755 either 08:29:27 <Brianetta> Keeton! 08:29:27 <Brianetta> http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=briananthonyronald&view=videos 08:31:13 *** FloSoft [sifldoer@tyra.ra-doersch.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:31:14 *** FloSoft [sifldoer@tyra.ra-doersch.de] has joined #openttd 08:33:36 <Rubidium> ah, there's where my errors came from... MultiCenter's y parameter is the 'top' y for when there's only one line and not the center of the string 08:38:21 <petern> yup 08:43:03 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db02837.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 08:43:28 *** FloSoft [sifldoer@tyra.ra-doersch.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:43:28 *** FloSoft [sifldoer@tyra.ra-doersch.de] has joined #openttd 08:43:30 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.99.25] has joined #openttd 08:46:00 *** jpm [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has joined #openttd 08:46:00 *** jpm_ [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:55:02 *** FloSoft [sifldoer@tyra.ra-doersch.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:55:03 *** FloSoft [sifldoer@tyra.ra-doersch.de] has joined #openttd 08:56:11 <Alberth> are there pre-defined label heights? In the airport picker window, I narrowed the heights of the headings ("small airports" etc) from 14 to 13 pixels. Alternatively, I can resize the whole window to make additional room. 08:57:26 <petern> grrr, fucking airports 08:58:14 <el_en> be sure they are at least 18-year-old airports 08:58:36 <petern> english only! 08:58:43 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@pool-96-224-227-112.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: RS-SM] 08:59:03 <petern> it's 16 here, none of that 18 bullshit 08:59:45 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@pool-96-224-227-112.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 08:59:47 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@pool-96-224-227-112.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [] 09:00:00 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm44.epsilon180.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 09:00:09 <el_en> 16 here too, in some cases. 09:00:18 <el_en> but america is the real england anyway. 09:01:04 <Ammler> good morning OPENTTD 09:01:24 <Ammler> he, Rubidium didn't sleep this night. ;-) 09:03:51 <Alberth> does he ever? 09:04:29 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: alberth * r15802 /trunk/src/autoreplace_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Complete autoreplace GUI widget numbers and add them as comment 09:07:18 *** FloSoft [sifldoer@tyra.ra-doersch.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:07:18 *** FloSoft [sifldoer@tyra.ra-doersch.de] has joined #openttd 09:19:02 *** FloSoft [sifldoer@tyra.ra-doersch.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:19:03 *** FloSoft [sifldoer@tyra.ra-doersch.de] has joined #openttd 09:21:35 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.99.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:29:07 *** jpm [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:29:07 *** jpm [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has joined #openttd 09:30:01 *** OwenS [~Akiramena@host86-160-63-111.range86-160.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 09:30:16 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D6AC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:31:16 *** FloSoft [sifldoer@tyra.ra-doersch.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:31:16 *** FloSoft [sifldoer@tyra.ra-doersch.de] has joined #openttd 09:34:19 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15803 /trunk/src/ (9 files in 2 dirs): 09:34:19 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Codechange: use the new text drawing API for multicenter 09:34:19 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix (r15800): off-by-one w.r.t. offsets 09:39:00 <petern> those jedi knights 09:40:42 *** pavel1269 [~quassel@r2ao16.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 09:41:07 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 09:43:02 *** FloSoft [sifldoer@tyra.ra-doersch.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:43:03 *** FloSoft [sifldoer@tyra.ra-doersch.de] has joined #openttd 09:43:13 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15804 /trunk/src/viewport.cpp: 09:43:13 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix (r15796): viewport strings weren't properly 'rendered'. 09:43:13 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Codechange: use the new string drawing API for the viewport. 09:43:34 <pavel1269> hello 09:43:44 <Alberth> hello pavel1269 09:44:22 <Aali> a "real" Alberth commit :o 09:44:56 <Alberth> yeah, Rubidium told me to do my own patches :P 09:45:42 <pavel1269> so Alberth, you are now dev? :-) 09:46:10 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has joined #openttd 09:46:33 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g227041097.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 09:46:43 <Alberth> one of them, it seems 09:47:26 <pavel1269> congtrats :-) 09:47:36 <pavel1269> you dererved that :-) 09:47:42 <Ammler> hehe, and you touched the desync section number one in past ;-) 09:50:05 <Rubidium> yeah, I'm definitely desynced w.r.t. Ammler 09:51:28 <Alberth> I didn't know that widget number constants could cause desyncs 09:53:10 <Ammler> ah, nvm :P 09:55:19 *** FloSoft [sifldoer@tyra.ra-doersch.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:55:19 *** FloSoft [sifldoer@tyra.ra-doersch.de] has joined #openttd 09:56:01 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-20-28-97.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 09:56:17 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@62.73.249.23] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:58:50 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: alberth * r15805 /trunk/src/airport_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Completing/fixing airportpicker widget names and adding them as comment 10:00:19 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.97.41] has joined #openttd 10:07:01 *** FloSoft [sifldoer@tyra.ra-doersch.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:07:02 *** FloSoft [sifldoer@tyra.ra-doersch.de] has joined #openttd 10:11:52 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 10:12:32 *** Frostregen [~frost@dslb-084-058-162-027.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:13:57 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5F575.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 10:18:02 *** FloSoft [sifldoer@tyra.ra-doersch.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:27:42 *** SHRIKEE [~shrikee@84-105-53-146.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #openttd 10:29:01 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 10:29:21 *** Jerre [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 10:29:51 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 10:30:08 *** FloSoft [sifldoer@tyra.ra-doersch.de] has joined #openttd 10:32:31 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-162-027.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 10:33:44 *** jpm_ [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has joined #openttd 10:36:21 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 10:38:33 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15806 /trunk/src/ (6 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: pass both left and right to the vehicle details drawing functions instead of only the left. 10:39:26 *** jpm [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:45:40 <Ammler> hmm, how to move a wiki page which would give the source free? 10:46:07 <Ammler> it created a redirect to the new location 10:47:24 <Ammler> well, I will make a "good old copy&paste" :-) 10:49:08 <Ammler> or someone of you with more permissons could delete the page? 10:49:28 <Ammler> http://wiki.openttd.org/Infrastructure_Sharing 10:54:35 <Ammler> done :-) 10:58:34 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has joined #openttd 10:59:27 <petern> why is a patch that isn't completely dead yet a "current event" ? 11:00:37 <Rubidium> because 'current event' is a euphimism for "this is from 2005" 11:06:50 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15807 /trunk/src/ (4 files): -Codechange: let the build vehicle gui helper function pass around left and right instead of only left and assuming infinite width. 11:09:39 <Ammler> redirected the "current events" link to the category "current events... 11:10:16 *** cMircea [KraMer@79.117.158.27] has joined #openttd 11:10:20 <Rubidium> http://wiki.openttd.org/Current_events <- definitely outdated 11:12:23 *** cMircea [KraMer@79.117.158.27] has quit [] 11:12:56 <Ammler> looks more like a tag log :-) 11:13:53 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@62.73.249.23] has joined #openttd 11:15:02 <Ammler> he, Roadmaps aren't editable ;-) 11:15:20 <Ammler> liked to remove {{current}} from Roadmap 0.6 11:15:39 <Rubidium> well... roadmaps aren't "I wish to have feature X and Y in 0.7" lists ;) 11:15:52 <Ammler> oh well 11:16:08 <Rubidium> I'll remove it 11:16:28 <Ammler> they are used like "Major Change" logs now 11:17:17 *** jpm [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has joined #openttd 11:17:24 <Ammler> you should remove the roadmap for 0.8 and redirect to tt-forums suggestions :-) 11:19:14 <Ammler> I can remember, 0.6 was used as roadmap... 11:21:07 <Rubidium> then why are things being removed with "this is not a wish list" as comment? 11:22:31 <Rubidium> but what is likely-ish going to be in 0.8? 11:22:33 <Ammler> it's a wiki :P 11:22:52 <Ammler> reverting is quite common. 11:23:36 *** jpm_ [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:23:38 <Ammler> [12:22] <Rubidium> but what is likely-ish going to be in 0.8? <-- Balancing ;-) 11:24:03 <Rubidium> really? that has been on the 0.6 roadmap for a while 11:24:12 <Ammler> I know :-) 11:24:25 <Rubidium> still isn't anywhere closely near to 25% finished 11:24:29 <Ammler> and was moved to 0.7, iirc 11:27:42 <Ammler> the biggest issue on the current balancing is aircraft speed, imo. 11:28:54 <|Japa|> nah, it's the range 11:29:00 <|Japa|> and the running cost 11:29:25 <Rubidium> don't forget the income 11:29:55 <Ammler> don't get you :-/ 11:30:30 <Rubidium> long distance airplane tickets should be cheaper than long distance train tickets 11:31:09 <Ammler> loading times should be longer... 11:31:49 <Alberth> I think the biggest problem is that it is not a self-stabilizing system 11:32:22 <Ammler> Alberth: I guess, quite impossible to make a balanced SP game 11:33:13 <Alberth> there are great variations in loading speed and transport speed and distance, and the current system compensates perfectly for exactly one of these values 11:33:25 <Ammler> but you don't need much work to win a competive game with aircrafts 11:34:14 <Alberth> I am moving pixels in the airport picker window around, which do you like best, 13 or 14? http://devs.openttd.org/~alberth/airport_heights.png 11:34:44 <Alberth> Ammler: just is just one case that sticks out due to the huge transport speed. 11:34:57 <Alberth> s/just is/that is/ 11:35:33 <Alberth> difference in the window is in the height of the labels 11:35:36 <Ammler> but the plane_speed patch did only make planes 4 times faster, balancing that was completly forgotten. 11:37:52 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.97.41] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- In tests, 0x09 out of 0x0A l33t h4x0rz prefer it :)] 11:38:05 <Rubidium> s/prefer/hate/ 11:39:26 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.19.36.239] has joined #openttd 11:39:36 <Noldo> btw is the income linear function of the distance? 11:40:26 <Alberth> Noldo: no, it is more complicated than that, it is described exactly at the wiki 11:54:47 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db02837.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Quit: brb] 11:57:58 *** Sacro [~ben@static-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 11:58:00 *** Sacro [~ben@static-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [] 12:01:36 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15808 /trunk/src/ (11 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: use the new DrawString API in a number of GUIs 12:03:49 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.97.41] has joined #openttd 12:03:54 *** jpm [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:03:57 *** jpm [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has joined #openttd 12:04:34 *** Sacro [~ben@static-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 12:04:59 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host148-237-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 12:05:32 <Wolf01> hello 12:06:25 <Alberth> hello Wolf01 12:08:19 *** Ridayah [~ridayah@173-19-228-175.client.mchsi.com] has joined #openttd 12:13:15 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.97.41] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:13:16 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:13:33 <pavel1269> hello wolf 12:14:56 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: alberth * r15809 /trunk/src/build_vehicle_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Add name comments to build vehicle widgets 12:26:19 *** Timitry [~Tim@p5B37CB4D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:31:00 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has joined #openttd 12:32:52 *** jpm [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:32:53 *** jpm [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has joined #openttd 12:34:25 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:38:34 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has joined #openttd 12:41:00 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm44.epsilon180.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:51:03 *** Timitry [~Tim@p5B37CB4D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:51:51 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 12:53:42 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590c0819.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 12:54:26 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db02837.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 13:01:39 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm44.epsilon180.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 13:02:41 <heffer> is it intended that FioCheckFileExists exits with a fatal error if a file doesn't exist? 13:03:14 <heffer> i patched FioOpenFile to error instead of usererror but i'm afraid that this might break other stuff that really is fatal 13:03:43 <heffer> background is: i want openttd to start even if sample.cat is missing (as it is when you are only using opengfx) 13:04:01 <heffer> whereas the background of that is: i'm currently packaging openttd for Fedora 13:05:05 <Rubidium> the assumption after FioOpenFile is that the file is opened 13:05:25 <Rubidium> a 0 byte sample.cat would work too 13:07:01 <heffer> Rubidium, yes i know. but wouldn't it be nicer to have the error skipped when no sample.cat is present? 13:07:08 <heffer> just a thought 13:08:13 <Rubidium> and then having lots of people filing bug reports: "the sound doesn't work" 13:08:28 <heffer> but what sense does it make if FioCheckFileExists is based on a function that exits fatally when no file is there instead of returning false? the function codewise is intended to do this but if a file doesn't exists it never reaches that point 13:09:28 <heffer> Rubidium, sure that could be one of the downsides of it. but it clearly gives an error message that sample.cat is missing or corrupt. so i assume people should know what's going on 13:10:51 <heffer> but i'm totally with you as far as that is concerned. people can be pretty dumb at times and go on to file thousands of unneccesary bugs 13:11:12 <heffer> instead of fixing stuff themselves 13:11:40 <heffer> so in your opinion it doesn't make sense to include those changes? 13:12:25 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g226131066.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 13:13:24 <Rubidium> not really, but that's my personal opinion 13:14:39 <heffer> but you get my point about FioChechFileExists? 13:14:50 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:15:35 <planetmaker> congratz, Alberth :) Seems you got commit rights :) 13:16:00 <petern> they let any old riff-raff in these days 13:16:11 <Alberth> planetmaker: tnx 13:16:53 <Rubidium> FioCheckFileExists doesn't seem to contain an usererror 13:17:22 <heffer> Rubidium, no. but it relies on FioOpenFile and that contains an usererror 13:17:44 <heffer> Rubidium, FioOpenFile would exit fatally before FioCheckFileExists would return false 13:17:49 <Rubidium> it depends on FioFOpen 13:17:49 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: alberth * r15810 /trunk/src/airport_gui.cpp: -Fix: Airport-type labels overlapped with first button, background did not cover whole window 13:18:08 <pavel1269> bah 13:18:30 <pavel1269> are you trying to outdate every single patch? :-) 13:18:31 <Rubidium> FioFOpenFile (!= FioOpenFile) 13:18:49 <planetmaker> hehe @ pavel1269 - very much seems like 13:19:27 <Alberth> pavel1269: only the ones that use some form of GUI 13:19:37 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g227041097.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:19:37 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 13:20:28 <heffer> Rubidium, oh is see :) but then it is weird why it works, now that i patched FioOpenFile. I'll further investigate 13:20:34 <heffer> thanks for your hints 13:20:34 *** George3 [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 13:20:37 <pavel1269> i hope, sameone good will update cargodest to trunk :-) 13:20:56 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:20:59 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:22:46 *** nickname [dull@78-21-19-29.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 13:22:58 <nickname> hello 13:23:19 *** nickname [dull@78-21-19-29.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 13:23:25 <pavel1269> heh? 13:23:27 *** nickname [dull@78-21-19-29.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 13:23:30 <pavel1269> hi 13:23:30 <planetmaker> that wasn't very patient :P 13:23:37 <nickname> sorry 13:24:04 <nickname> hi planetmaker its me dinkiy you answered on a post of mine 13:24:13 <planetmaker> aye :) hi 13:24:32 <nickname> for nightly version 13:24:34 *** Sacro [~ben@static-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Sacro] 13:24:38 <planetmaker> I remember :) 13:25:09 <nickname> can u help me with it 13:25:28 <pavel1269> well, found that topic, planetmaker, easy to remember right? :-) 13:25:41 <planetmaker> I don't know :) And watch out - leet speak is frowned upon here :) 13:25:48 <planetmaker> pavel1269: yes, very 13:26:02 <nickname> can someone else help me with it then 13:26:12 <pavel1269> nickname: whatsup m8? 13:26:32 <planetmaker> nickname: well... what exactly is your problem? 13:26:41 <planetmaker> You still only tell us "it doesn't work". 13:26:49 <planetmaker> And the readme should tell you exactly what to try. 13:26:57 <planetmaker> Read that and tell us where you fail. 13:27:06 <planetmaker> I meant every word of what I wrote. 13:27:10 <pavel1269> planetmaker: i bet, opening teh file :-D 13:27:12 <nickname> i have the files i unpacked them in my OTTD folder 13:27:29 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:27:48 <planetmaker> and - doesn't the exe start up? 13:28:59 <nickname> it starts but its the original 13:29:13 <planetmaker> which original? 13:29:23 <pavel1269> :-O 13:29:25 <nickname> the original installment 13:29:33 <nickname> for windows 13:29:36 <planetmaker> uhm... 13:29:41 <pavel1269> planetmaker: cya :-D 13:29:46 * pavel1269 hides 13:29:50 *** Brokkoli [~Brokkoli@f054022029.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 13:29:55 <planetmaker> :D I don't have windows :P 13:30:18 <nickname> who has windows!!!! 13:30:33 <pavel1269> DorpsGek maybye 13:31:02 <pavel1269> what do you mean by, it start the original installment? 13:31:04 <nickname> dorpsgek where are u 13:31:13 <planetmaker> loool :) 13:31:18 <nickname> the program i installed starts 13:31:22 <planetmaker> you know that DorpsGek is a bot? 13:31:31 <nickname> but nothing seems to be changed 13:31:37 <pavel1269> what have you installed? 13:31:51 <nickname> 0.63.00 or something like that 13:32:15 *** Ridayah [~ridayah@173-19-228-175.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:32:26 <pavel1269> how can you recognize, that you started "original installment" not the new one? 13:32:37 <planetmaker> ^^good question 13:32:48 <nickname> because nothing seems to be changed 13:33:08 <planetmaker> how do you define "seems"? 13:33:21 <nickname> i dont see any changes 13:33:22 <planetmaker> The title screen doesn't look different. The interface neither. 13:33:23 <pavel1269> just look and see ... no? :-) 13:33:36 <planetmaker> The only thing is the version number 13:33:46 <nickname> but what is changed than 13:33:51 <pavel1269> if you start game .... up of the menu ... you have what version you have atm 13:33:53 <planetmaker> And some additions - which are not visible on first sight. 13:33:57 <glx> how did you started it? 13:34:01 <nickname> no extras or something 13:34:02 <glx> using the shortcut? 13:34:05 <nickname> yes 13:34:57 <glx> what is the version shown on title screen? 13:35:14 * planetmaker hugs glx 13:35:26 * pavel1269 also hugs glx 13:35:27 <planetmaker> glx is a very patient man. How many kids do you have? 13:35:35 <glx> none 13:35:37 <nickname> 0.6.3 13:35:39 <planetmaker> :) 13:35:43 <pavel1269> thats it? :-P 13:35:47 <nickname> yes 13:36:06 <glx> nickname: then you didn't extract over your ottd install 13:36:12 <planetmaker> but you then probably would make a good father :) 13:36:19 <pavel1269> the shortcut you use leads to your "original installment" :-) 13:36:46 <glx> create another shortcut or start it through explorer 13:37:22 <pavel1269> also i thought, that id does not install, just extract and goo :-) 13:37:23 <Ammler> planetmaker: sometimes, a son need to be patient too ;-) 13:37:32 <planetmaker> :) 13:37:33 <pavel1269> * id/it 13:37:36 <planetmaker> true enough 13:38:58 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D6AC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Progman] 13:40:03 <Rubidium> why do you want to use the nightly anyway? 13:40:22 <Rubidium> what's new in there that you think is important that is not in the release candidate? 13:40:44 <pavel1269> alberth commits :-P 13:42:11 *** nickname [dull@78-21-19-29.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 13:42:41 <Rubidium> woooh... I scared another noob away ;) 13:45:07 <planetmaker> :P 13:45:17 <pavel1269> he doesnt know, what were you talking about :-P 13:46:06 <heffer> Rubidium, i don't know why but my simple "ignore missing sample.cat" 3-liner patch now works. it didn't before but somehow it works now :) 13:46:20 <heffer> probably caught somewhere in ccache madness 13:46:30 <Rubidium> or makedep failing silently 13:47:03 <heffer> well should i submit it to flyspray? 13:52:56 <Rubidium> you can, but I rather see an open sound replacement set ;) 13:53:55 <heffer> well i could try :) i do have access to professional sound equipment and truck sounds should be fairly easy to record :) 13:54:31 <heffer> openttd Dolby Digital sound replacement set 13:54:33 <heffer> :D 13:56:51 <petern> 24bit 192kHz 5.1 surround! 13:56:58 <heffer> at least 13:57:28 <thingwath> of a truck noise. 13:57:32 <pavel1269> 3bit mono sound? :-) 13:57:41 <Rubidium> OpenTTD, the first game with full Super Hi-Vision support ;) 13:59:01 <Rubidium> 10 bit per channel 22.2 sound ;) 13:59:52 <thingwath> hm, I can open my window and hear one highway, two railway lines and one airport nearby, only ships and the kaching sound are missing, I doubt that any openttd sound will beat this. :o) 14:00:31 <Alberth> thingwath: there's your challenge 14:01:50 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db02837.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Quit: brb] 14:03:40 <thingwath> And yet the sound I hate most is the elevator in this building⊠14:07:45 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.19.36.239] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:09:06 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15811 /trunk/src/ai/ai_gui.cpp: -Fix: left != right and as a result of that the ai debug window was kinda empty. 14:14:11 *** baldur [~balli@170.1.236.89.se-ld.res.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 14:39:34 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15812 /trunk/src/ (7 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: use the new DrawString API in another set of GUIs 14:50:44 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 14:53:39 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 14:54:02 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:56:01 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15813 /trunk/src/ (6 files): -Codechange: remove the last remnants of the old text drawing API. 14:56:38 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 14:57:43 <planetmaker> if I may ask: what has gotten easier with the new text API? I see a bit unification in the behaviour as such that now always the text draw box seems to be needed to be specified. Something else what I miss? 14:58:30 <planetmaker> I think I'm still a bit missing the conceptual idea behind the change... 14:58:43 <Rubidium> now everything passes a left and right, which is useful when you want to (on the fly) switch left alignment with right alignment hidden from the GUI code 14:58:49 <Yexo> preparation for better rtl support 14:58:59 <Noldo> rtl? 14:59:06 <Yexo> right-to-left 14:59:14 <Yexo> as in arabic languages 14:59:15 <Rubidium> which is needed for RTL as they 'expect' the GUIs to be swapped to 14:59:46 <planetmaker> hm... didn't think of that :) Makes perfect sense, thanks :) 15:01:12 <planetmaker> without that piece it looked like a big change for little gain - somewhat un-Rubidium-like ;) 15:03:13 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:05:40 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 15:08:00 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet698.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 15:09:53 <Rubidium> http://rbijker.net/openttd/not_right_yet.png 15:12:22 <Alberth> I am surprised you get this far, I do some hard-coded left/rught changes in the constructor. 15:13:28 <Rubidium> well, I've invented a new language and added a few lines of code to determine RTL-ness 15:14:00 <Rubidium> http://rbijker.net/openttd/english_rev.txt <- my special flavour of English 15:14:52 *** baldur [~balli@170.1.236.89.se-ld.res.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:14:56 <petern> :D 15:15:42 <petern> heh 15:15:47 <petern> reversed landscape icons 15:16:45 <Rubidium> that's the only you notice? (except the kinda broken multiplayer window) 15:17:21 <glx> buttons are reversed too ;) 15:20:31 <taisteluorava1> hm, when you set newgrf settings to scenario and if you host it with deticadet, it wont work, but when i host it with ingame, it works 15:20:51 <Yexo> "Doesn't work" isn't an error message 15:21:02 <taisteluorava1> i mean when host with deticated, newgrf settings does not apply 15:21:37 <Ammler> from cfg? 15:21:39 <Yexo> I still don't get the exact problem 15:21:56 <Yexo> are you trying to use a scenario in a server? Or are you generating a random game? 15:22:04 <taisteluorava1> scenario 15:22:09 <Rubidium> Yexo: his problem is that his scenario doesn't start and he gets a automatically generated savegame with the settings from the config 15:22:15 <taisteluorava1> no ^^ 15:22:42 <pavel1269> so tell us your secret? 15:22:51 <Ammler> you get the intro save, if the grfs fails 15:22:55 <Yexo> Rubidium: I guessed that, but then non-applying newgrf settings is a strange error to report, I'd have expected something like "scenario doesn't load" 15:22:57 <taisteluorava1> scenario does start with deticadet, and there is green marks in newgrf settings, but those doesent "work" 15:23:12 <taisteluorava1> but they work when i host that scenario in ingame multiplayer 15:23:29 <taisteluorava1> there is no any error messages 15:23:29 <Yexo> taisteluorava1: again, "Doesn't work" is not an error message 15:23:33 <petern> dedicated only has one t 15:23:35 <Yexo> do you get a "newgrf mismatch"? 15:23:42 <taisteluorava1> no 15:23:58 <Ammler> start with -d grf=3 15:24:03 <Yexo> then what doesn't work? Can't you join the dedicated server? Can you join it but are there no newgrfs ingame? 15:24:11 <taisteluorava1> ok, i try with that 15:24:16 <Yexo> Are the newgrf listed but not working? 15:24:21 <Yexo> ie what is your problem? 15:25:24 <planetmaker> geeez. Today is "doesn't work day" it seems... 15:25:24 <taisteluorava1> not working ammler 15:25:37 <taisteluorava1> now i have openttd.exe" -D -g "Europe - latest version.scn" 15:25:41 <Yexo> taisteluorava1: "not working" isn't an error message either 15:25:48 <planetmaker> taisteluorava1: "doesn't work" is at no stage an error a programme tells you 15:25:54 <taisteluorava1> i have modified that europe scenario, added some newGrf:s 15:26:08 <Yexo> can you upload that scenario somewhere? 15:26:21 <taisteluorava1> sure 15:26:25 <planetmaker> at all stages there's only something like "I did a, b and c and expected to see d, but saw e" 15:26:57 <pavel1269> planetmaker: i made a and i see e, what should i do? :-) 15:27:24 <planetmaker> :P 15:27:52 <planetmaker> call +900 - techhelp 15:27:56 <planetmaker> :) 15:27:58 <Yexo> pavel1269: if only he said "i see e", we would have been a step further 15:27:59 *** jpm_ [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has joined #openttd 15:28:10 <pavel1269> hahaha 15:28:11 <Yexo> not it's like "i made a" END 15:28:48 <pavel1269> thats like ... 1. gather all slippers 2. ??? 3. Profit! 15:29:15 <planetmaker> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#beprecise <-- for obvious reasons I checked back on the link in my forums signature. It still holds true... and few actually read it :( 15:30:01 <Yexo> a lot of people should read that document 15:30:11 <Yexo> it's a bit boring read, but very useful 15:30:11 <pavel1269> i guess, noone who should read it done that ... :-) 15:30:35 <planetmaker> it's a bit boring. But it would save them much flamming ;) 15:31:11 <pavel1269> the seems to dont know that :-) 15:31:12 <planetmaker> and it would give them actually results and answers they like :) 15:31:59 <planetmaker> pavel1269: yes... as usual there are several ways to gain that knowledge: read and follow the rules or find out the hard way... 15:32:01 <pavel1269> there is no way to force them to do that 15:32:02 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:32:41 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-138-103.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 15:32:46 <Yexo> planetmaker: yes, the problem is that if they follow the hard way it takes other people (a lot of) time and annoyance 15:33:04 <planetmaker> Yexo: sure. I know :( 15:33:30 <planetmaker> The only reason for rules is to avoid problems. Or there's no need for rules 15:34:06 *** jpm [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:37:49 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 15:43:37 *** GoneWack1 [~GoneWacko@dhcp-077-249-197-241.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 15:45:35 <taisteluorava1> now i get error message: could not start server, i boot this and check again 15:45:55 *** taisteluorava1 [~orava@a88-114-52-67.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:47:51 *** baldur [~balli@170.1.236.89.se-ld.res.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 15:50:27 *** GoneWacko [~GoneWacko@dhcp-077-249-197-241.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:50:30 *** taisteluorava [~orava@a88-114-52-67.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 15:50:32 *** taisteluorava [~orava@a88-114-52-67.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [] 15:51:56 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-69-222.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 15:52:10 *** taisteluorava [~orava@a88-114-52-67.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 15:54:26 *** lolman [JohnUK89@static-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 15:55:46 <taisteluorava> hm, now i cant host multiplayer at all, dedicated window just flash a fast and ingame get error message: could not start the server 15:56:59 <planetmaker> probably bind to IP fails 15:57:09 <taisteluorava> now got it working when deleted config file 15:57:20 <taisteluorava> and let it to recreate it 16:00:02 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-69-222.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:00:35 <Ammler> mÀh, the existing 0.7er servers are ugly slow. 16:02:35 <taisteluorava> found problem, server_bind_ip was changet automatically to wrong 1 16:03:05 <taisteluorava> now back to another problem 16:03:55 <Ammler> automatically? 16:04:07 <Ammler> didn't know of such a feature ;-) 16:04:20 <taisteluorava> as i see there is, didint touch it at all ^^ 16:04:22 <planetmaker> pavel1269: your town population limit patch: I think you can go without the boolean setting. Just interpret size=0 as off 16:06:15 <pavel1269> planetmaker: good point, one byte less :-P one option less :-) 16:06:24 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: alberth * r15814 /trunk/src/cheat_gui.cpp: -Fix (r1): Remove double background widget from cheat gui 16:06:42 <planetmaker> pavel1269: mostly: one option less. It's already way too many 16:06:58 <pavel1269> thought setting this to 0 and that boolearn to 1 is .... 16:07:22 <pavel1269> planetmaker: well, its good if you can setup what do you want, but if its with lowest possible settings, its good :-) 16:08:14 <planetmaker> townlimit = 0 means no population... so... :) 16:08:35 <planetmaker> or make the default = MAX_LONGINT or so... 16:08:52 <pavel1269> now, this will simply disable ANY town grow :-P 16:08:53 <planetmaker> but make sure that by default towns still can grow to more thant two millions ;) 16:09:13 <pavel1269> hmm .. hmm ... okay, never needed this :-D 16:09:44 <pavel1269> but hey, the limit would be .... 4,300 bil? :-) 16:09:59 <pavel1269> that doesnt look good :-) 16:10:01 <planetmaker> whatever, yes. But my largest town was > 1 million :) 16:10:21 <pavel1269> atm i think i have there 5mils 16:10:26 <Yexo> please make it easy to disable the setting, ie 0=disabled is fine 16:10:31 <planetmaker> with max_size = 0 interpreted as unlimitted is no big deal, I guess :) 16:10:43 <planetmaker> :) 16:10:44 <pavel1269> Yexo: as i said, i will do that :-) 16:11:01 <pavel1269> planetmaker: :-D ... forget bout that :-D 16:11:27 <planetmaker> :) 16:12:04 <pavel1269> btw, what do you think about my daylength ... to be able to even slower down economy at all 16:12:23 <planetmaker> :D Fix (r1) ... 16:12:56 <planetmaker> pavel1269: I haven't really looked into that patch (yet) 16:13:33 <Alberth> now you will never know what was on that hidden layer of the cheat window 16:13:48 <planetmaker> Alberth: svn knows it all :P 16:16:28 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:16:56 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 16:17:52 <pavel1269> hidden layer? :-) 16:18:33 <planetmaker> 7 -{ WWT_PANEL, RESIZE_NONE, COLOUR_GREY, 0, 399, 14, 169, 0x0, STR_NULL}, <-- pavel1269 16:18:45 <planetmaker> you'll be missing gray pixels :P 16:19:00 <pavel1269> ahh, i play only MP so ... :-) 16:19:37 <planetmaker> hehe :) 16:20:02 <planetmaker> I use it sometimes when testing things or preparing a map where starting money shall not be an issue 16:20:13 <planetmaker> ... for multiplayer :) 16:24:06 <taisteluorava> ok, i made picture from my problem, here is link: http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/8881/openttd.jpg 16:24:47 <taisteluorava> and it is a scenario 16:25:58 <pavel1269> whats doing thiss? 16:26:02 <pavel1269> TriggerIndustry(i, INDUSTRY_TRIGGER_INDUSTRY_TICK); 16:26:33 <pavel1269> havent find anythink in entire solition with string "TriggerIndustry" 16:27:00 *** Carved [~martin@91-64-187-173-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 16:27:48 <planetmaker> interesting, taisteluorava :) 16:28:07 <Carved> lol zahl :-D 16:28:29 <taisteluorava> yes, so basically if you want host scenario with newGrf:s, you need host it ingame 16:28:37 <planetmaker> Hint for future screenshots: use the ingame screenshot function Ctrl+S (which should produce also png files which better suit the graphics) 16:29:10 <taisteluorava> yeah, but was easier copypaste to paint with alt+printscreen 16:29:12 <planetmaker> taisteluorava: well... they work, but obviously not all prices as they're supposed to ;) 16:29:38 <planetmaker> taisteluorava: sounds more complicated than getting the file straight away with ctrl+s 16:29:39 <taisteluorava> also another newgrf:s neither work 16:30:09 <taisteluorava> its not only about this newGrf, it affect to all newGrf on scenario 16:30:40 <planetmaker> taisteluorava: newgrf have many ways to interact. You'll need to supply the information as you did with the screenshots right now in order to demonstrate (and thus provide the hints) what is not working 16:31:00 <planetmaker> and there are many newgrf... 16:31:08 <planetmaker> ... and they themselves can be buggy. 16:31:16 <taisteluorava> i give scenario, so you can test yourself 16:31:51 <taisteluorava> http://supr.ucoz.com/load/0-0-0-252-20 so first host it with ingame multiplayer 16:32:01 <planetmaker> if the grfs are not in bananas or in the #openttdcoop grfpack, you might want to give links to them. But those seem available via bananas afaik 16:32:39 <taisteluorava> you can get all of 3 in babanas 16:33:03 <taisteluorava> and then test it with dedicated server, youl see any of those newGrf does not work 16:33:19 <planetmaker> taisteluorava: concerning what you demonstrated, you're probably best off, making a bug report at bugs.openttd.org - along with the scn and the screenshots 16:33:41 <planetmaker> which grf don't work, too? 16:33:45 <taisteluorava> all of them 16:34:17 <Alberth> pavel1269: what is "solition"? Function does exist however: newgrf_industrytiles.cpp:void TriggerIndustry(Industry *ind, IndustryTileTrigger trigger) 16:34:24 <taisteluorava> i should make better demostration, i try make it today 16:35:27 <Alberth> pavel1269: and from the filename, most likely it queries the newgrf industry tiles 16:35:29 <planetmaker> taisteluorava: well... I'm pretty sure that the newgrf I use work... though I don't particularily look at prices 16:38:25 <planetmaker> taisteluorava: the demonstration with the two screenshots is fine IMO. But if other newgrfs fail (and in what way? Also "only" concerning modifying prices?) that's interesting information. 16:38:40 *** baldur [~balli@170.1.236.89.se-ld.res.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:38:40 <petern> well 16:38:43 <planetmaker> Just avoid "doesn't work" - it's a way too general error description 16:38:46 <petern> sounds like it's a scenario problem 16:38:53 <planetmaker> actally it's not a description ;) 16:38:55 <petern> rather than newgrf, in which no newgrfs would work 16:39:14 <taisteluorava> i think problem is dedicated server take those newGrf only from Data folder, but not in from downloaded content in mydocuments/openttd 16:39:59 <taisteluorava> i put new terrain grf, and it work beacose it is in data folder 16:40:40 <petern> no 16:40:44 <taisteluorava> i try copy them to data folder and check does they start to work 16:42:23 <pavel1269> thanks Alberth i meant "solution" 16:42:53 <taisteluorava> you right petern 16:43:47 *** baldur [~balli@170.1.236.89.se-ld.res.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 16:44:42 <planetmaker> hm... latest trunk (r15814) still has a problem with displaying the costs in the bridge window 16:47:21 <Rubidium> shouldn't you use CTRL? 16:47:43 <planetmaker> http://www.openttdcoop.org/files/pm/bridge_build_gui.png <-- shall I add that to FS #2755 ... hm... cannot. 16:48:09 <planetmaker> @ Rubidium :) - I don't want only wooden ones :) 16:49:47 <planetmaker> but yeah ... I'll use ctrl :P 16:51:15 <planetmaker> so... new FS entry or not necessary (anymore)? 16:52:24 <Rubidium> that'd be pointless 16:52:28 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15815 /trunk/src/bridge_gui.cpp: -Fix (~r15800): bridge strings got truncated too early 16:52:50 <pavel1269> :-) 16:52:52 <planetmaker> :) 16:54:50 <planetmaker> Rubidium: can the window get a bit wider? 16:54:57 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-162-027.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 16:54:57 <planetmaker> German strings don't fit anymore ;) 16:55:07 * glx slaps planetmaker :) 16:55:20 <planetmaker> pfft :P 16:55:29 <planetmaker> that's from before my translation started 16:55:35 * planetmaker is innocent ;) 16:55:45 <planetmaker> well... of that at least :P 16:56:41 <Rubidium> hmm, technically FS#1072 should be solved now 16:58:06 <planetmaker> http://www.openttdcoop.org/files/pm/bridge_gui2.png <-- that's how it looks now 16:58:50 <pavel1269> do they apperar if you make window a bit wider? :-) 16:58:51 <taisteluorava> planet, i made another example to you 16:58:52 <planetmaker> alternate solution - way more complicated, though - would be to automatically resize it to the string length of the bridge name... 16:59:00 <planetmaker> pavel1269: resizing in x is not possible 16:59:07 <taisteluorava> http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/3475/openttd2.jpg 16:59:36 <taisteluorava> in ingame server, prices are correct 16:59:52 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@62.73.249.23] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:59:57 <planetmaker> taisteluorava: you screenshot now is a clear demonstrator why you _should_ use png format. 17:00:06 <planetmaker> it simply isn't readable 17:00:35 <planetmaker> thus demonstration fails 17:00:38 <taisteluorava> i see them pretty well 17:00:47 <Rubidium> also... adding NewGRFs after beginning a game (or developing a scenario) is not supported 17:01:03 <Rubidium> e.g. modified building cost is applied when the initial map is generated 17:01:20 <taisteluorava> rubi., but it work when you host it ingame 17:01:21 <Rubidium> thus adding it to a scenario won't change the prices 17:01:59 <planetmaker> taisteluorava: I won't tell you again with screenshot format. But I'm sure others will, if you continue to post jpg ;) 17:02:13 <taisteluorava> i use paint! ^^ 17:02:31 <taisteluorava> ribu, here is another screenshot http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/8881/openttd.jpg 17:02:33 <taisteluorava> "rubi 17:02:35 <Rubidium> I use paint too, but only on walls not on windows 17:02:39 <Yexo> taisteluorava: that's no excuse, since paint can store as png 17:02:41 <taisteluorava> its same map 17:02:57 <taisteluorava> yexo, yeah, last time when i save in jpeg ^^ 17:03:02 * Yexo also uses paint to make simple text additions to game screenshots 17:04:31 <Rubidium> ah... ofcourse... in a dedicated server it's loaded as a savegame, not a scenario 17:04:47 <Rubidium> which means any scenario initialisation is not ran 17:04:53 <taisteluorava> no, openttd.exe" -D -g "Europe - latest version.scn" 17:05:02 <Rubidium> after all -g == load savegame, not start scenario 17:05:33 *** SHRIKEE [~shrikee@84-105-53-146.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Quit: SHRIKEE] 17:06:02 <taisteluorava> yeah, that is probably the problem, but is there way "to start" scenario 17:06:21 <Yexo> taisteluorava: start it in singeplayer, save as a savegame and use that to start your dedicated server 17:06:43 <taisteluorava> ok, i'l try 17:06:47 <Yexo> that has the 'problem' it adds one company though 17:10:06 *** jpm [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has joined #openttd 17:11:44 <taisteluorava> this is so confusing, it does not work in singleplayer 17:12:09 <taisteluorava> only way to get it work is to make ingame multiplayer game, save that and opein it with dedicated 17:12:38 <taisteluorava> tried all other ways, any of them didint work 17:13:11 <planetmaker> there's no technical difference between SP and MP savegame 17:14:38 <pavel1269> so my limited city size patch has been updated ;) 17:15:36 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 17:15:51 *** jpm_ [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:17:36 <taisteluorava> pretty strange problem, only way to get it work is host ingame server, but that is enought to me 17:18:17 <pavel1269> add newgrfs, then create scenario, play ... no? 17:19:34 <planetmaker> pavel1269: choose newgrfs, create scenario, save scenario, load scenario in SP, save as safegame, then load in dedicated :) 17:20:48 <pavel1269> sure :-) 17:20:55 <taisteluorava> i downloaded that "europe" scenario from bananas, after it i added 3 newGRF from map editor to get it more difficult, saved that scenario over old 17:21:08 <taisteluorava> that is what i did 17:21:10 <Rubidium> just don't play scenarios in a dedicated server ;) 17:21:27 *** |Japa| [~Japa@218.248.70.235] has joined #openttd 17:21:32 <taisteluorava> jep, its the case, need to host those ingame multiplayer 17:21:48 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet698.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:22:09 *** |Japa| [~Japa@218.248.70.235] has quit [] 17:22:44 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet698.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 17:36:23 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: Connection reset by Fedora 10] 17:38:33 *** |Japa| [~Japa@218.248.70.235] has joined #openttd 17:42:20 *** Jerre [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:42:39 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:42:58 <|Japa|> I don't know if I should be upset that I get 15k ping in this game, or pleased that it can run with 15k ping.... 17:43:22 <planetmaker> :D 17:43:36 <Rubidium> what is 15k in the world of ping? 17:43:57 *** FloSoft [sifldoer@tyra.ra-doersch.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:45:05 <|Japa|> 15 seconds 17:48:03 *** baldur [~balli@170.1.236.89.se-ld.res.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:48:19 <|Japa|> connecting to the net via cellphone via bluetooth results in not fun gaming 17:51:53 *** lolman [JohnUK89@static-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:52:32 *** lolman [JohnUK89@static-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 17:56:23 *** FloSoft [sifldoer@www.siedler25.org] has joined #openttd 17:56:25 *** FloSoft [sifldoer@www.siedler25.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:56:56 *** lolman_ [JohnUK89@static-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 17:57:46 *** FloSoft [sifldoer@www.siedler25.org] has joined #openttd 18:04:30 *** lolman [JohnUK89@static-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:11:12 *** lolman_ is now known as lolman 18:14:31 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.22.105.211] has joined #openttd 18:18:16 *** GoneWack1 is now known as GoneWacko 18:18:54 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm44.epsilon180.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:19:49 <|Japa|> is there any coding associated with new gfx tars, or do they need an associated GRF? 18:20:20 <Ammler> just plain sprite replacement 18:20:28 <Ammler> (with offsets) 18:20:51 *** phidah [~phidah@1305ds3-oebr.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 18:21:04 <|Japa|> I see 18:21:12 <phidah> What do I do when I cannot build anymore locomotives? 18:21:17 <phidah> They're all expired 18:21:26 <|Japa|> increase the train limit 18:21:30 <|Japa|> oh 18:21:45 <Ammler> enable the switch: vehicles never expire or alike 18:21:50 <|Japa|> remember to turn off train expiiry next time you play 18:21:51 <phidah> I did 18:22:03 <Ammler> then you need to "reset" vehicles 18:22:05 <phidah> is there any way I can convert my track or something? 18:22:12 <|Japa|> it won't ressurect old vehicles 18:22:15 <Ammler> (apply button on the newgrf window) 18:23:21 <phidah> I have lots of vehicles, but when I try to build new ones there are none in the list... I guess they aren't produced anymore... I'm in 2017 18:23:36 *** lolman_ [~lolman@static-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 18:24:12 <Ammler> Do I need to repeat myself? 18:24:50 <pavel1269> looks like yes :-) 18:24:54 <phidah> What's the newgrf window? 18:24:56 <|Japa|> no, you don't 18:25:15 <|Japa|> enable the switch: vehicles never expire or alike 18:25:23 <|Japa|> then you need to "reset" vehicles 18:25:28 <|Japa|> (apply button on the newgrf window) 18:25:38 <DaleStan> google:newgrf+window+openttd 18:25:43 <|Japa|> I can repeat you, and save you the trouble 18:25:45 <phidah> Apply button worked 18:25:45 *** jpm_ [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has joined #openttd 18:25:52 <phidah> Thanks :) 18:26:09 <phidah> I take it there is no way to convert all my track to maglev? 18:26:25 <Forked> the convert tool 18:26:46 <pavel1269> :-) 18:27:34 <Forked> http://wiki.openttd.org/Convert_rail 18:30:08 <Ammler> thanks |Japa| 18:31:10 *** lolman [JohnUK89@static-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:31:13 *** Osai^2 is now known as Osai 18:31:26 *** jpm [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:35:11 <|Japa|> your welcome 18:35:24 <el_en> whose welcome? 18:36:26 <el_en> Ammler's welcome? what if someone else wants to use welcome, does he/she need to borrow it from Ammler? 18:37:38 *** lolman_ is now known as lolman 18:37:51 *** Carved [~martin@91-64-187-173-dynip.superkabel.de] has left #openttd [] 18:38:00 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r15816 /trunk/src/lang/ (5 files): 18:38:00 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2009-03-22 18:37:40 18:38:00 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: english_US - 3 fixed by WhiteRabbit (3) 18:38:00 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: german - 2 changed by planetmaker (2) 18:38:00 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: japanese - 43 fixed, 2 changed by nex259 (45) 18:38:01 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: portuguese - 1 fixed by SnowFlake (1) 18:38:01 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: romanian - 1 fixed by stykat (1) 18:39:39 * Ammler gives his welcome to el_en to keep it for the next needing it... 18:40:06 <el_en> thanks 18:40:26 <Ammler> well, you just hold it, it does't belong to you ;-) 18:44:31 <el_en> if i welcome someone, am i just using or giving the welcome away? 18:46:08 *** [1]KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.22.105.211] has joined #openttd 18:46:08 *** KenjiE20 is now known as Guest1319 18:46:08 *** [1]KenjiE20 is now known as KenjiE20 18:46:20 <Ammler> buh, dunno 18:46:55 *** Ridayah [~ridayah@173-19-228-175.client.mchsi.com] has joined #openttd 18:47:08 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: alberth * r15817 /trunk/src/ (widget_type.h window.cpp): -Codechange: Make room for additional widget types (Rubidium) 18:48:42 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@216-165-17-122.DYNAPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 18:49:34 *** Guest1319 [~KenjiE20@92.22.105.211] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:49:41 *** Sacro [~ben@static-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 18:50:36 <el_en> welcome Sacro of England 18:50:42 <el_en> (const reference of welcome) 18:51:12 <Sacro> :o 18:52:45 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejb133.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 19:02:39 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has joined #openttd 19:06:13 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-51-190.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:06:26 *** MrFrans [~MrFrans@a80-101-158-105.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:06:39 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 19:06:55 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet698.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:07:12 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet698.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 19:07:20 * Yexo takes welcome from el_en 19:07:22 <Yexo> welcome Nite_Owl 19:07:45 <Nite_Owl> Hello Yexo 19:08:14 * petern has his own welcome and doesn't need to share 19:10:45 *** mikl [~mikl@90.184.195.240] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 19:21:20 <Forked> greetings =) 19:21:46 *** mikl [~mikl@90.184.195.93] has joined #openttd 19:22:13 <Nite_Owl> Hello Forked 19:22:18 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has joined #openttd 19:26:52 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:27:31 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.161.207] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:30:46 <Nite_Owl> Congratulations Alberth - I just noticed your first commits 19:31:04 <Alberth> tnx 19:34:38 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 19:38:46 <el_en> seems like commit access is granted to virtually anyone these days. 19:39:29 <el_en> people like peter1138, rubidium, alberth, ... 19:40:07 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:40:18 *** Hirundo is now known as Swallow 19:47:11 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has left #openttd [] 19:50:03 *** Cybert1nus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:50:21 *** phidah [~phidah@1305ds3-oebr.0.fullrate.dk] has left #openttd [] 19:52:43 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.16] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:53:00 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 19:53:32 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.16] has joined #openttd 19:56:39 <pavel1269> el_en: any problem with that? 19:57:07 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:57:18 <pavel1269> if that was sarcasm, i didnt get it :-) ... (my bad english) 20:03:30 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:04:04 <Alberth> pavel1269: I didn't get it either, so you're not the only one. 20:05:09 <Nite_Owl> Sarcasm is very difficult to get across in a written form 20:06:22 <Nite_Owl> so does today's nightly set a record for the number of commits in a single day? 20:06:28 *** mikl [~mikl@90.184.195.93] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:09:07 <el_en> pavel1269: you've not been here long enough to know that e.g. peter1138 is a newcomer developer. 20:09:42 <pavel1269> i around here since 0.3.0 20:09:46 <pavel1269> *i am 20:10:31 <Alberth> Nite_Owl: that would surprise me 20:11:18 <Nite_Owl> it is the most I can remember seeing in a long while 20:11:56 <pavel1269> true :-) 20:14:57 <petern> hmm 20:15:17 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 20:15:33 <Nite_Owl> that could also just be 'perceived' on my part since yesterdays nightly failed to compile for windows but I do not think that is valid as there were not many commits yesterday 20:15:59 <petern> pavel1269: so what was your nick for the make 5 years? 20:16:06 <petern> make? i typed past... 20:16:24 <pavel1269> 5years? not that long 20:17:42 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:17:50 <petern> oh, cos 0.3.0 was released in 2004... 20:18:42 <pavel1269> hmm, i played 0.3.0 ... but like 2006 i joined on tt-forums/irc 20:19:18 <frosch123> 2006 sound like 0.48 20:19:56 <pavel1269> but if my memory is still ok, in that time you were in dev team ... 20:21:47 *** prakti [~myself@port-213-148-152-8.static.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 20:24:49 <el_en> 2006 is so not 2004, and openttd was already a lot more widely known in 2006 than 2004. 20:25:38 *** KingJ [~KingJ@nl1.game.kingj.net] has quit [Quit: changing servers] 20:26:32 <pavel1269> so, for you, people from 2006 are still newcomers, because you are here longer then they are? 20:27:04 <el_en> correct, sir. 20:27:34 *** KingJ [~KingJ@nl1.game.kingj.net] has joined #openttd 20:27:54 *** lolman [~lolman@static-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:28:14 <frosch123> pavel1269: every old grandmother is surprised when she meets the children of her neighbours 20:28:22 <Wolf01> 'night 20:28:27 <el_en> notte 20:28:27 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host148-237-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 20:29:58 <Rubidium> pavel1269: I think the busiest day had like 50-60 commits 20:30:16 <Rubidium> hmm... Nite_Owl ^ ;) 20:30:17 <pavel1269> heh nice :-) 20:31:30 <pavel1269> 23 today? :-) 20:31:34 *** KingJ [~KingJ@nl1.game.kingj.net] has quit [Quit: changing servers] 20:32:09 *** KingJ [~KingJ@nl1.game.kingj.net] has joined #openttd 20:32:28 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejb133.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 20:33:16 <Rubidium> Sun, 03 Aug 2008 has 59 trunk commits 20:33:36 <el_en> Rubidium, when did you join the channel? 20:33:40 <Yexo> http://www.openttd.org/ gives a 500 Internal sever error 20:33:52 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:33:59 <Yexo> just like all other *.openttd.org/* pages 20:34:05 <pavel1269> just sometimes :-) 20:34:07 <Rubidium> slap TB 20:34:30 <frosch123> [21:36] <Rubidium> Sun, 03 Aug 2008 has 59 trunk commits <- looks like a birthday present for me 20:34:38 <Yexo> done 20:35:04 <frosch123> but i am not 59 20:35:48 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:35:50 <Nite_Owl> Thank you for the commit info - sorry for the delay I was hauling in groceries 20:37:51 *** lolman [~lolman@static-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 20:38:40 *** KingJ [~KingJ@nl1.game.kingj.net] has quit [Quit: changing servers] 20:39:05 *** KingJ [~KingJ@nl1.game.kingj.net] has joined #openttd 20:40:02 <Rubidium> Nite_Owl: http://rbijker.net/openttd/trunk-top-10.log & http://rbijker.net/openttd/repos-top-10.log 20:40:23 <petern> aug 2008 == yapp? 20:40:59 <Rubidium> possibly 20:43:39 <pavel1269> gn 20:43:44 *** pavel1269 [~quassel@r2ao16.net.upc.cz] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Pohodlné vykecávánÃ. Odkudkoliv.] 20:44:06 <Nite_Owl> so yesterday was not even a top ten - shows you how good my memory is 20:48:08 <petern> hmm 20:48:25 * petern wonders how to handle the default rail type setting... 20:49:02 <frosch123> ignore it, when the railtype is not present 20:51:00 *** mikl [~mikl@90.184.195.93] has joined #openttd 20:51:37 <petern> problem is the current special values will no longer be special... 20:52:25 <frosch123> hmm, so "most used" is the only one which still makes some sense 20:52:59 <petern> well 20:55:01 <Rubidium> can you during scanning determine the labels of railtypes and their related strings? 20:55:17 <petern> err? 20:55:23 <frosch123> labels of all available newgrfs :) 20:56:23 <frosch123> but still, if you play different games with different railtypes, that settings has hardly any meaning 20:56:25 <Rubidium> instead of indices/magic numbers you can use the railtype labels 20:56:53 <petern> hmm, could do 21:01:49 *** KingJ [~KingJ@nl1.game.kingj.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:02:46 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 21:03:50 <frosch123> or just remove the setting from the gui, and store the last used railtype label in the config 21:08:08 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15818 /trunk/src/fontcache.cpp: -Fix [FS#2752]: some (newer) GCCs have trouble compiling the Win32 specific part of fontcache.cpp; jumps across variable declarations (Maeyanie) 21:15:59 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: alberth * r15819 /trunk/src/ (widget.cpp widget_type.h window.cpp window_gui.h): -Add: Nested widgets framework 21:16:27 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejb133.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 21:17:09 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: alberth * r15820 /trunk/src/ (9 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: Some windows using nested widgets 21:17:41 <petern> :D :D 21:18:32 <Noldo> petern: hm? 21:18:40 <petern> ^ 21:19:33 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:22:33 *** |Japa| [~Japa@218.248.70.235] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:22:40 <Noldo> I don't get it :/ 21:23:02 <Noldo> not the first time and I sure hope it's not the last 21:23:45 <Yexo> Noldo: the commits by Alberth 21:24:10 <Noldo> adding a framework and then using it? 21:25:00 <Yexo> in other words, the first big commit by Alberth, and a requirement to support rtl languages completely 21:25:54 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5F575.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:27:53 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590c0819.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:28:19 <petern> although i have no idea how that constructor magic works :o 21:29:59 *** Cybert1nus is now known as Cybertinus 21:30:43 * Noldo tries to resist looking up the diff because needs to write about microkernels 21:34:29 *** KingJ [~KingJ@nl1.game.kingj.net] has joined #openttd 21:42:54 <petern> urgh 21:43:22 <SpComb> the C -> C++ transition is starting? 21:43:30 <petern> starting? 21:47:04 *** Timitry [~Tim@p5B37CB4D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:55:41 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.7/2009021910]] 21:56:52 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r15821 /trunk/src/vehicle_gui.cpp: -Fix (r15813): Wrong widget selection prevented drop down label showing in vehicle list windows. Instead of drawing the label ourselves we can set the dropdown's data property to the string to draw. 21:57:02 <petern> hmm, damn essay :/ 22:03:36 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-51-190.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 22:06:50 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejb133.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 22:16:29 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D6AC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:17:18 <energetic> Just checking: IP+ network ID from config seem to me like a good way to identify the uuser automatically 22:17:51 <energetic> networkID can be spoofed - networkID and IP both can be poofed - bu it makes it very hard 22:26:24 *** Timitry [~Tim@p5B37CB4D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com] 22:35:23 <energetic> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e98_1237657552 22:39:21 *** Brokkoli [~Brokkoli@f054022029.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: *yaorm*] 22:43:54 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g226131066.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 22:50:37 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226131066.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:50:37 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 22:53:57 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D6AC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:57:04 *** Mark [~Mark@5351EC68.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- \o/] 23:01:59 <taisteluorava> is there way to have 2 openttd opened which does not share same openttd config file? 23:02:26 <Yexo> yes, start openttd with "openttd -c config_file.cfg" 23:02:44 <Yexo> or (in case of two seperate installs), put the config files next to openttd.exe 23:03:21 <taisteluorava> does config file need to be same folder with openttd.exe when using "openttd -c config_file.cfg" 23:03:42 <Yexo> no, just use "openttd -c path/to/openttd.cfg" 23:04:19 <taisteluorava> ok, thx, i just want try cargodest build without messing with original 1 23:04:44 <taisteluorava> is R15774 older or newer than rc1? 23:06:04 <Yexo> newer 23:06:18 <Yexo> RC1 = r15734 23:06:52 <taisteluorava> ok, is there any list where i can see that? 23:10:07 <Yexo> you can check vcs.openttd.org (I prefer hg.openttd.org) 23:12:28 <taisteluorava> i downloaded openttd which have already cargodest, but i get "cannot open file 'sample.cat'" error when try run exe 23:14:30 <taisteluorava> maybe i need move original ttd files to there 23:15:03 <Rubidium> rather move them to mydocuments/openttd/data/ 23:16:21 *** ngaba [~ngaba@193.6.41.90] has joined #openttd 23:16:33 <energetic> nice one, did not know that last one 23:16:55 <energetic> by the way, why is chosen for user/documents/OpenTTD instead of user/appdata? 23:16:56 <Yexo> then read readme.txt, as it's possible for as long as I know openttd 23:17:50 <ngaba> hi, is it possible to see the take-off/landing "speed" of vehicles somewhere? 23:18:11 <ngaba> It is an important property of the vehicle imho. 23:18:41 <Rubidium> there's no take-off/landing speed per vehicle 23:19:57 <ngaba> I mean, with some buses 40 passengers can take-off simultanously 23:20:11 <ngaba> with some other ones this number is 10. 23:20:26 <Rubidium> what have busses to do with taking off? 23:20:36 <Rubidium> or landing? 23:21:13 <ngaba> my English is bad, but I try to say, that with some buses 23:22:40 <ngaba> only 10 passangers can be picked (?) up per minute 23:23:00 <ngaba> with the other one: 40. 23:24:35 <ngaba> And this information is showed nowhere, I must try and check the buses... 23:24:56 <taisteluorava> does openttd check data folder first from same folder or from mydocuments/openttd/data 23:25:43 <ngaba> buy* and check 23:26:17 <ngaba> Does somebody understand what I wanted to say? ;) 23:27:03 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:27:58 <Rubidium> taisteluorava: I advice you to not read the file called readme.txt 23:28:07 <taisteluorava> ok, i do that, sry ^^ 23:28:20 <Yexo> ngaba: yes, I assume you are using some newgrf files? 23:28:30 <Yexo> in that case, try the describtion from the newgrf 23:28:31 <Rubidium> ngaba: either buy and check or read the manual of the newgrfs you're using 23:28:40 <ngaba> Yexo: yes 23:29:12 <Yexo> and with description I ment the manual, like Rubidium already said 23:29:28 <ngaba> in the "original" vehicles there is no difference between buses in this parameter? 23:29:43 <Yexo> iirc not, but I'll check for you 23:29:51 <ngaba> thx 23:31:41 *** eMjay88 [~michael@60.241.9.164] has joined #openttd 23:32:00 <eMjay88> morning all 23:32:09 <Yexo> ngaba: no, with the original vehicles all busses/trucks/trains have the same loading speed, ships have twice the loading speed of busses/trucks/trains and planes 4 times the loading speed 23:32:09 <ngaba> night here :) 23:32:22 <Yexo> morning eMjay88 23:32:26 <ngaba> Yexo, thx 23:32:36 *** OwenS [~Akiramena@host86-160-63-111.range86-160.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:32:59 <eMjay88> does r15821 build for anyone else or have I broken my copy somewhere? 23:33:20 <glx> eMjay88: compiles fine for me 23:33:54 <Rubidium> eMjay88: failing makedepend? 23:34:00 <eMjay88> fails linking 23:34:11 <glx> yep probably makedepend :) 23:34:15 <glx> try make clean 23:34:25 <eMjay88> okie doke 23:38:42 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15822 /trunk/src/network/network_gui.cpp: -Codechange: replace some magic numbers and improve alignment of the start server window. 23:41:13 *** baldur [~balli@1503029300.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has joined #openttd 23:41:50 <eMjay88> ok it works now 23:45:05 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r15823 /trunk/src/widget.cpp: -Codechange: prepare the WWT_FRAME and WWT_DROPDOWN(IN) widget types for rtl languages. 23:47:17 *** lolman [~lolman@static-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:47:40 *** ngaba [~ngaba@193.6.41.90] has quit [Quit: BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it.] 23:52:05 *** racetrack [~rob@lena.its.monash.edu.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:52:23 *** racetrack [~rob@lena.its.monash.edu.au] has joined #openttd 23:54:49 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15824 /trunk/src/viewport.cpp: -Fix: determine the actual length of the strings to draw in the viewport