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00:09:45 *** Roujin [~chatzilla@p549729FE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.8/2009032609]] 00:11:34 *** UFO64 [~jmurray@141.114.223.159] has joined #openttd 00:17:03 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15996 /extra/masterserver_updater/src/masterserver/ (handler.cpp masterserver.h udp.cpp): [MSU] -Codechange: check the session key send by the client more thoroughly. 00:31:48 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.22.168.10] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- IRC with a difference] 00:36:20 *** Ridayah [~ridayah@173-19-228-175.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:43:25 <Patrick`> I'm just starting to investigate multiple lanes of trains 00:43:36 <Patrick`> any tips? or is there a wiki of uber-advanced ideas 00:44:08 <Patrick`> so far, I've established that if I ever permit trains from the inner to easily cross to the outer track, or vice versa, then it goes horribly wrong 00:44:14 <Patrick`> and they all pile onto one line 00:44:46 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:45:08 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 00:47:36 <Patrick`> wow 00:47:43 <Patrick`> the coop wiki is seriously hardcore into this 01:00:26 <Aali> the coop wiki is seriously outdated 01:03:38 <Sacro> the coop wiki is seriously gay 01:04:54 *** Klanticus [~quassel@189.35.30.61] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:06:31 <EoD> wish everyone a good night 01:06:42 <EoD> have a lot of fun with the coopwiki ;) 01:10:36 *** EoD [~EoD@2001:a60:f066:0:215:afff:fe21:f032] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.8/2009040606]] 01:10:47 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15997 /trunk/src/industry_gui.cpp: -Fix [FS#2811]: multiline string truncation broke extending the industry window when there are more lines of information 01:11:58 <Patrick`> outdated it may be 01:12:05 <Patrick`> and full of people's random ideas from 2 years ago 01:12:28 <Patrick`> and full of designs obsoleted by angles-under-bridges or PBS 01:12:30 <Patrick`> BUT 01:12:33 <Patrick`> it's a starting point 01:16:27 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15998 /trunk/src/network/ (network.cpp network_gamelist.cpp): -Codechange: some coding style updates 01:22:45 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15999 /trunk/src/ (openttd.cpp variables.h): -Codechange: VARDEF--; 01:22:56 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16000 /trunk/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs): -Feature: IPv6 support 01:38:18 <Sacro> : 01:38:19 <Sacro> o 02:08:00 *** sigmund_ [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 02:08:07 *** UFO64 [~jmurray@141.114.223.159] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:09:51 *** sigmund [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:27:29 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:27:33 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 02:41:55 *** Ridayah 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loadbalancer :) 06:13:29 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 06:13:29 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:13:32 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 06:21:51 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 06:21:51 *** PhoenixII [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:24:30 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 06:26:30 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:26:30 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 06:45:19 *** Aali_ [~aali@84-217-17-95.tn.glocalnet.net] has joined #openttd 06:47:09 *** Aali [~aali@84-217-29-216.tn.glocalnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:06:38 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 07:06:38 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit 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<jonty-comp> quite 08:18:54 <jonty-comp> I remember that party- was it for r10000? 08:18:59 <jonty-comp> how time flies 08:19:04 <Forked> there was a cake was there not? 08:19:07 <Forked> mmmm cake 08:19:10 <jonty-comp> and/or how fast you people commit 08:19:14 <TrueBrain> so my place, tomorrow 08:19:17 <TrueBrain> you are all invited ;) 08:19:23 <jonty-comp> ok 08:19:32 <Forked> TrueBrain: this place of yours.. it wouldn't happen to be on the west coast of Norway? :p 08:19:35 * goodger releases velocitous slightly heated strips of coloured paper 08:19:44 <jonty-comp> good job my car has a jump drive 08:19:54 <jonty-comp> http://www.openttd.org/en/server/185 <-- woo masterserver 08:20:08 <jonty-comp> although I believe I have some outdated grfs or something that aren't on bananas 08:23:19 <jonty-comp> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=42758 <--ooh 08:31:38 *** taisteluorava [~orava@a88-114-52-67.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 08:31:57 <petern> heh 08:32:04 <petern> 2KB 08:34:00 <jonty-comp> it's hardly an epic change 08:35:03 <petern> nasty if cascade 08:35:13 <petern> also 08:36:51 <Alberth> I wonder what happens when you unleash a lot of ships at a single dock. 08:36:59 <jonty-comp> I am testing it now 08:38:03 <petern> HONK HONK HONK HONK HONK HONK HONK HONK 08:38:28 <TrueBrain> fedora 10 by default does NOT boot network ......... 08:38:40 *** phidah_ [~phidah@0x5733a2bb.bynxx19.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: phidah_] 08:38:46 <TrueBrain> useful .... :( 08:38:53 <Xaroth> heh 08:38:56 <jonty-comp> hmm 08:39:06 <jonty-comp> they make a point of moving away from each other 08:39:12 <jonty-comp> but they tend to zig-zag about a lot 08:39:23 <Xaroth> sailing behavior? 08:39:27 <jonty-comp> heh 08:39:35 <jonty-comp> not for a giant oil tanker 08:39:36 <Xaroth> get a newgrf to include sails etc 08:40:03 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has joined #openttd 08:40:16 *** OwenS [~Akiramena@host217-42-3-111.range217-42.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 08:41:21 <jonty-comp> I'm waiting to see what happens when they go into this single-channel canal 08:41:38 <TrueBrain> big explosion 08:41:40 <TrueBrain> many dead 08:41:51 <Xaroth> many more rejoice 08:41:58 <Xaroth> greenpeace activists etc 08:42:01 <jonty-comp> hmm 08:42:08 <jonty-comp> well it only allows one at a dock at a time 08:42:19 <jonty-comp> the rest all flit about like they're not quite sure where to go 08:42:40 <jonty-comp> but I would say it's better than the original behaviour :p 08:42:47 <goodger> solution is huge docks! 08:43:05 <goodger> rather than docks that are just perpenticular quays 08:43:10 <jonty-comp> yes 08:43:11 <jonty-comp> :D 08:47:30 <petern> TrueBrain, uh... doesn't the F10 bit come *after* network booting? 08:47:46 <petern> or do I misunderstand you? 08:48:49 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 08:48:49 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:48:52 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 08:49:08 *** nablaa [~miika@vipunen.hut.fi] has joined #openttd 08:50:55 <TrueBrain> petern: I meant: chkconfig --level 2345 network on 08:50:59 <TrueBrain> is needed AFTER installing 08:51:03 <TrueBrain> to get network to boot by default 08:51:05 <TrueBrain> which .. is weird 08:52:47 <petern> "network to boot" 08:53:01 <petern> You mean to set up the network interface on start up? 08:54:28 <TrueBrain> yup 08:54:54 <TrueBrain> well, I fall over it because I am kind of used to install a linux OS, put a network IP in it, plug it off any screen and in some rack, and remotely login to it 08:54:56 <TrueBrain> but .. that failed :p 08:55:20 <petern> Yes, that is somewhat odd. But then, so is using Fedora... 08:55:26 <jonty-comp> heh 08:55:31 <TrueBrain> I 100% agree :) 08:55:37 <TrueBrain> but ..customer wishes are customer wishes :) 08:55:50 <petern> No, you just tell them they're wrong. 08:56:05 <jonty-comp> I used to use Fedora 08:56:15 <goodger> petern: let me introduce you to my good friend Customer Relations 08:56:22 <jonty-comp> but I'm irrevocably addicted to debs and apt now 08:56:49 <petern> jonty-comp, but that's like being addicted to air and water. 08:57:00 <jonty-comp> well, I am that too 08:59:51 * Xaroth shudders 08:59:52 <Xaroth> Fedora 08:59:55 * Xaroth shudders again 08:59:59 <jonty-comp> gentoo 09:00:15 <Xaroth> ubuntu :) 09:00:17 <jonty-comp> (I thought that might give you a heart attack) 09:00:22 <Xaroth> or in worst case scenario, debian :P 09:00:41 <Xaroth> and if you want to be stabbed in the face, CentOS... 09:01:47 <goodger> debian is super 09:01:53 <goodger> ubuntu is its bastard child 09:02:03 <TrueBrain> debian is one nasty linux variant 09:02:06 <TrueBrain> CentOS is kind of nice .. 09:02:09 <goodger> fedora is "woah, do people still use that?" 09:02:12 <TrueBrain> Gentoo is good if you have CPU to waste :p 09:02:22 <goodger> and gentoo is the ultimate in job security 09:02:32 <TrueBrain> SECURITY?! 09:03:00 <goodger> set up an entire server room using gentoo, and your job is safe forever. nobody will be able to replace you without incurring a month of downtime to move the systems to a less personalised distro 09:03:17 <TrueBrain> like that ... that is just nasty! 09:04:21 <Xaroth> ubuntu isn't a bastard child 09:04:30 <Xaroth> it's more a relative nowadays 09:04:51 <Xaroth> they changed a good concept, and made it better 09:04:59 <Alberth> goodger: I would recommend OpenBSD for that. Also easier to sell to the customer as it is the most secure platform around. 09:05:14 <goodger> ok, so it's a bastard child that disinherited its father at age four, and then had loads of cosmetic surgery to make itself disfigured on purpose 09:05:15 <petern> fcvo of "better" meaning "worse" 09:05:32 <Xaroth> goodger: exactly 09:05:54 <goodger> unsurprisingly managing to attract a huge following among people seemingly without brains 09:06:14 <goodger> the sort of people who switched to it on the basis of Compiz 09:06:19 <Alberth> humankind never fails at that :P 09:07:10 <goodger> it's a bit like PC World's adverts. they show the Windows Vista 3d alt-tab thing, and only that, and then claim that a dual-core processor is better because it allows you to run email and word-processing simultaneously 09:07:32 <petern> yers 09:08:16 <goodger> I'm proud that my OS is capable of preemptive multitasking, but apparently windows vista isn't... 09:11:52 * goodger listens to TTD soundtrack with super-MIDI and glee 09:12:19 <petern> super-MIDI? 09:12:36 <jonty-comp> it's like MIDI 09:12:38 <jonty-comp> but better 09:12:41 <petern> but SUPER! 09:12:46 <goodger> :D 09:12:57 <petern> timidity sucks 09:13:04 <petern> but it sounds nice with fluidsynth 09:13:08 <goodger> it's timidity, with a number of memory-guzzling soundfonts and a few CPU-guzzling special realism effects 09:13:24 <goodger> hmm, let's see about fluidsynth 09:13:30 <petern> only problem is you can end up with stuck notes if you stop it playing 09:14:02 <petern> "realism" effects! nooooo! 09:14:10 <goodger> :D 09:14:32 <goodger> I think most complaints about timidity are likely to be addressed by loading a decent soundfont 09:14:46 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.97.99] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:14:51 <goodger> it ships with an open-source one, which in this case means "incomplete and inferior" 09:14:58 <planetmaker> good morning everyone 09:15:02 <petern> yeah 09:15:32 <petern> other problems with timidity include high cpu usage, high latency (not a problem for midi file playback), and yet a tiny output buffer 09:15:43 <goodger> ok, fluidsynth appears to be asking me to load my own soundfont 09:15:59 <petern> there are fluidsynth sound font packages 09:16:01 <planetmaker> I've got a question: design, feature or bug: If I delete a station the name gets grayed out. Then I build a new station there, using Ctrl+click. I get the choice to build a seperate station or a station with the same name again. 09:16:13 <petern> fluid-soundfont-gm 09:16:19 <planetmaker> Regardless of what I chose, I get back the old name (with the old stats, cargo, rating, etc) 09:16:27 <petern> It's 145MB if that means anything to you. 09:16:40 <goodger> *install* 09:16:51 <goodger> ah, it's already installed. 09:17:03 <goodger> it seems I installed it previously when I was looking for soundfonts to use with timidity 09:17:15 <pavel1269> how do i invalidate graph? i know that its made automatically every 2? 1? days but cant find it :( 09:17:39 <petern> planetmaker, sounds like original behaviour before distant-join. File a bug. 09:18:01 <petern> Invalidate what? 09:18:38 *** Vikthor [~novotv6@pc404-16.feld.cvut.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:18:52 <planetmaker> ok, thx, petern 09:19:07 <petern> I've yet to find a GM FM synthesizer :( 09:19:31 <goodger> silly question 09:19:39 <goodger> having loaded the soundfont, how do I play a MIDI file? 09:19:55 <pavel1269> pet, you have openened performance window of your company ... that one :-) 09:22:04 <petern> It's done whenever it's done. 09:22:10 *** Forked [~kjetil@presenterer.formye.info] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:22:26 <petern> goodger, with pmidi or aplaymidi. 09:22:46 <goodger> neither of those do anything 09:24:48 <Alberth> pavel1269: with InvalidateWindow(WC_PERFORMANCE_HISTORY, 0) probably. 09:25:18 <goodger> I will continue using timidity until fluidsynth does anything, I think 09:27:56 <petern> Well it works if you set the correct ALSA sequencer ports. 09:28:42 <goodger> unfortunately, how to do that is not exposed in --help, and I don't care enough to look it up elsewhere 09:28:49 <petern> pmidi -l 09:29:14 <petern> (as listed in --help, heh) 09:29:20 <goodger> it's aplaymidi --port 09:29:42 <petern> -l lists the ports. 09:29:51 <goodger> the correct port to use is not listed anywhere in fluidsynth's --help or with the "help" command within fluidsynth 09:30:16 <petern> That's because ports are allocated dynamically. It is not fixed. 09:30:41 <goodger> ok, running aplaymidi -l lists a number of ports 09:30:46 <petern> Software synths generally start at 128 and go up. 09:30:54 <planetmaker> hey guys, I just saw it's 16k party time. :) Congratulations! 09:30:59 <petern> My SB Live starts at 64 and provides 4 ports. 09:31:10 <blathijs> TrueBrain: Svn repository seems broken 09:31:23 <goodger> it lists six ports, four of which are timidity, and the other two don't work 09:31:26 <blathijs> TrueBrain: 10:32:46 < Alberth> Somebody wants us to stay at r16000: "svn: Can't move '/var/repos/svn/openttd/db/txn-protorevs/16000-cg3.rev' to '/var/repos/svn/openttd/db/revs/16/16001': Permission denied" :) 09:33:14 <petern> Maybe something's fighting for the audio device. 09:33:46 <pavel1269> Alberth: not that one 09:34:10 <pavel1269> at least i know where to look at that for :-) 09:34:11 <goodger> nope, timidity's working fine, as is everything else 09:34:13 <TrueBrain> blathijs: happens ever k reviisons :) 09:34:47 <goodger> running timidity this way does seem to produce lower-quality output, though 09:34:52 <goodger> the timing is rather inferior 09:35:26 <TrueBrain> blathijs: and can't Alberth speak for himself? :p 09:35:29 <TrueBrain> fixed btw 09:38:59 <petern> TrueBrain, that would defeat the point of the secret dev channel... speaking in public!? 09:39:24 <TrueBrain> petern: I guess 09:41:23 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: alberth * r16001 /trunk/src/graph_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Added nested widgets to cargo payment rates window 09:41:24 <Alberth> TrueBrain: fix confirmed 09:41:32 <Alberth> tnx 09:41:48 <petern> dbg: [net] Detected broadcast addresses: 09:41:48 <petern> dbg: [net] 0) 84.246.159.223 09:41:48 <petern> dbg: [net] 1) 84.246.159.223 09:41:48 <petern> dbg: [net] 2) 84.246.159.223 09:42:04 <petern> pom te pom 09:42:07 <pavel1269> ahhhh ... InvalidateWindow(WC_PERFORMANCE_DETAIL, 0); 09:42:32 <jonty-comp> whoever 2001:1af8:fe00:f2::2 is they're looking at the serverlist a lot 09:43:38 <jonty-comp> hmm, it's the same subnet or whatever as my vps (both start with 2001:1af8) 09:44:04 <petern> no it's not 09:44:41 <petern> the subnet includes the fe00:f2 09:44:48 <jonty-comp> well, something like that 09:46:28 <Alberth> (11:35:35) TrueBrain: blathijs: and can't Alberth speak for himself? :p <---- I was waiting patiently until you were finished shopping for the party :P 09:46:41 <petern> someone on 2001:1af8 could well be someone using the same ipv6 tunnel provider... 09:47:01 <jonty-comp> VPS has native ipv6 09:47:17 <TrueBrain> jonty-comp: euh .... are you sure? :p 09:47:27 <petern> no... it doesn't 09:47:33 <jonty-comp> orudge implied as such! 09:47:39 <TrueBrain> I doubt that very much 09:47:42 <petern> or maybe it does 09:47:55 <petern> 2001:1af8 is leaseweb 09:48:06 <TrueBrain> petern: it is a PoP at leaseweb, that is for sure :) 09:48:06 <petern> but i suspect it's a tunnel 09:48:15 <jonty-comp> because I tried to set up a tunnel, and then he said "you don't need to, I can give you an address" 09:48:27 <TrueBrain> jonty-comp: and that makes it native .... :p Ghehe :) 09:48:31 <jonty-comp> yes D: 09:48:33 <petern> yeah 09:48:38 <petern> inet6num: 2001:1af8:fe00::/39 09:48:38 <petern> netname: SIXXS-NLHAA01 09:48:38 <petern> descr: LEASEWEB BV -- IPv6 deployment 09:48:38 <petern> descr: SixXS allocation for LEASEWEB BV POP 09:48:38 <petern> descr: This allocation is used for /48 subnets. 09:48:40 <petern> descr: Each seperate /48 is also registered in whois. 09:48:43 <petern> descr: Synchronised between SixXS and RIPE once per day. 09:48:50 <TrueBrain> either way, I have been mailing with LeaseWeb a bit too much lately ... they don't offer IPv6 to customers yet :( 09:48:57 <jonty-comp> well buh 09:49:18 <petern> (wow, first ipv6 allocation i've seen that is registered...) 09:49:38 <petern> inet6num: 2001:1af8:fe00:f2::/64 09:49:38 <petern> netname: SIXXS-NET-SOS2-SIXXS 09:49:38 <petern> descr: SixXS assignment to end-user SOS2-SIXXS 09:49:39 <petern> heh 09:49:42 <petern> even that low :D 09:50:44 <petern> inet6num: 2001:1af8:fe2e::/48 09:50:44 <petern> netname: SIXXS-NET-ORQ1-SIXXS 09:50:44 <petern> descr: SixXS assignment to end-user ORQ1-SIXXS 09:50:48 <petern> ORQ1, eh? 09:50:51 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 09:50:57 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:50:58 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 09:51:37 <petern> person: Owen Rudge 09:51:37 <petern> remarks: User Details (address, country, phone, e-mail, url) hidden on request of user 09:51:40 <petern> nic-hdl: ORQ1-SIXXS 09:51:43 <petern> :D 09:51:44 <petern> i wanted to stalk him 09:51:46 <petern> hidden :( 09:51:55 <TrueBrain> petern: try other whois requests ;) 09:52:08 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f050246037.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 09:52:13 <petern> changed: info@sixxs.net 20080228 09:52:16 <petern> that looks wrong :o 09:54:38 *** Vikthor [~novotv6@pc404-16.feld.cvut.cz] has joined #openttd 09:56:23 <blathijs> TrueBrain: Why does it happen? Isn't the entire repository simply owned by the httpd user? 09:56:36 <blathijs> TrueBrain: Or did we do commiting over ssh nowadays? :-) 09:56:37 <TrueBrain> blathijs: no, by the last user who did a commit (svn+ssh remember) 09:56:51 <TrueBrain> and somehow subversion refuses to use the correct chmod over the dir 09:56:57 <TrueBrain> so the 'group' no longer gets access 09:57:09 <TrueBrain> the fix is simple, and it only happens every 1000 commits 09:57:12 <TrueBrain> so I don't care :p 09:57:13 <blathijs> :-) 09:57:24 <blathijs> Isn't this a matter of setting umask? 09:57:34 <TrueBrain> nope 09:57:38 <TrueBrain> subversion hard overrides it 09:57:44 <blathijs> Or perhaps you could fix it by setting a default ACL. AFAIK, a default ACL overrides umask on linux 09:57:52 <TrueBrain> no ACL kernel :) 09:57:55 <TrueBrain> I don't do that shit :p 09:57:55 <blathijs> heh :-) 09:58:00 <blathijs> ACLs are super-useful! 09:59:54 <Alberth> blathijs: setgid bit on the directory is the usual way of solving these matters afaik 10:00:05 <TrueBrain> there is :) 10:00:09 <TrueBrain> but ... subversion is annoying :) 10:00:21 <Alberth> ah, svn knows better :) 10:00:32 <TrueBrain> yup ... it goes okay for a single commit 10:00:36 <TrueBrain> it breaks when there is a new dir creation 10:00:39 <TrueBrain> don't care .... 10:04:55 <Noldo> I think I tried to solve that with a commit hook 10:05:19 <TrueBrain> I think I don't care enough to solve it :p 10:07:49 <blathijs> Alberth: That solves the group ownership problem, but it does not set the group write bit 10:09:50 <Noldo> chmod -R in a commit hook was indeed my solution to that problem 10:10:09 <petern> crazy 10:10:14 <Noldo> didn't feel it was the right one though 10:12:46 *** OwenS [~Akiramena@host217-42-3-111.range217-42.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:15:27 <Alberth> blathijs: umask is 022 by default, it appears. Maybe change umask in /etc/profile? 10:17:11 <planetmaker> http://www.openttd.org/en/servers <-- that table now is somewhat broken for me. The address row is too narrow 10:17:14 <planetmaker> row? column? whatever... 10:17:34 <planetmaker> any case the added ports break the layout as do the longer IPv6 addresses 10:17:58 <TrueBrain> it is noted on my list :) 10:18:04 <planetmaker> :) 10:18:24 <TrueBrain> Alberth: euh ... I doubt we want to change the umask system wide 10:18:26 <TrueBrain> sounds ... nasty 10:19:20 <petern> is the ip address needed on the server list page? 10:19:27 <TrueBrain> petern: it will be removed 10:19:30 <TrueBrain> but .. it needs a bit of work 10:19:31 <petern> and who is n-ice.org 10:19:40 <petern> tons of servers on the same ip 10:19:42 <petern> never mind 10:19:56 <petern> all of them empty, of course 10:20:15 <petern> also 10:20:17 <jonty-comp> there are a lot of random servers 10:20:26 <petern> the in game server list really needs to *not* sort on things like ! :/ 10:20:40 <jonty-comp> It's somewhat annoying when there are lots of private servers that are obviously never used 10:21:23 <petern> at least nobody's bothered to lie about clients and companies yet 10:21:28 <jonty-comp> pfft 10:21:36 <Patrick`> you've got a "filter empty" button, no? 10:21:37 <TrueBrain> petern: don't give them ideas!!! :p 10:21:40 <petern> damn :/ 10:21:52 <jonty-comp> perhaps it is possible to filter by privatepublic 10:21:53 <pavel1269> doead tag "NN" cause, that every client on server can have his own setting? searched for documentation of tags, havent found :( 10:21:58 <pavel1269> *does 10:21:58 <jonty-comp> *private/public 10:22:24 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.76] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:26:19 <pavel1269> ahh, dinaly found taht .... nwm me .. http://wiki.openttd.org/OpenTTDDevBlackBook/Patches/AddPatchOption 10:30:30 <planetmaker> pavel1269: looks thoroughly outdated... 10:30:42 <pavel1269> but tags are still same .... :-) 10:36:13 *** Skiddles [~notme@cm114.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 10:36:32 <Rubidium> the 'dev black book' is well... always outdated ;) 10:37:01 <jonty-comp> I changed some code, and it had an effect! 10:37:03 * jonty-comp feels special 10:37:24 <jonty-comp> the only other time I ever changed any code it first refused to compile, then crashed anyway 10:37:33 <Noldo> congratulations! 10:37:55 <jonty-comp> it's a first step :p 10:38:35 <jonty-comp> it didn't have the desired effect, but that's beside the point 10:38:42 <TrueBrain> I believe no developer ever wrote anything in that 'black book' .. :p 10:38:44 <TrueBrain> sign_de did ;) 10:41:23 *** Vikthor [~novotv6@pc404-16.feld.cvut.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:43:15 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm114.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:47:17 <Xaroth> I wonder if there's an API for banananananananananananas 10:48:56 <TrueBrain> draft one, and I make it for you 10:49:11 <TrueBrain> (well, you can just use the TCP protocol OpenTTD client uses :P) 10:49:56 <dihedral> Xaroth, OpenTTDLib can be modified slightly to communicate with the master server ;-) 10:50:10 <dihedral> OpenTTDLibPacket will do the necessary stuff for you 10:51:41 <TrueBrain> why does it take for a switch so long to retrain for an IP move .. (the same IP moving from one machine to the other) 10:52:38 <petern> MAC address is cached 10:52:51 <petern> imagine the ARP floods if it wasn't :D 10:53:36 <TrueBrain> hmm .. the switched picked up 10:53:40 <TrueBrain> the gateway only didn't yet 10:54:11 <TrueBrain> finally .. 10:54:32 <petern> i had one switch that could take an hour or so to notice... 10:54:48 <petern> i took to manually clearing the arp cache on that one :p 10:54:51 <TrueBrain> bad bad switch 11:01:24 <SpComb> pfft, switches don't know anything about IP addresses 11:01:43 <TrueBrain> SpComb: it would be an annoying world if they would 11:07:19 <dihedral> SpComb, Layer 3 switches :-D 11:16:53 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Quit: ecke] 11:18:11 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:18:33 <Xaroth> dihedral: I adapted the lib to C# :) 11:18:40 <Xaroth> i only needed the server info packet anyhow 11:19:10 <TrueBrain> so why did you ask about BaNaNaS? :p 11:19:28 <Xaroth> because i want to have the app know whether the grfs of the server it queried are on bananas or not 11:19:32 <Xaroth> so it can alert if not 11:19:38 <TrueBrain> ah :) 11:20:30 *** Progman_ [~progman@p57A1C210.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:20:39 <Xaroth> if it's in bananas the app doesn't need to do anything, if it's not it needs to alert and/or refer to grfcrawler 11:22:09 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 11:22:48 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: alberth * r16002 /trunk/src/graph_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Added nested widgets for company league window 11:25:11 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D052.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:25:24 *** Progman_ is now known as Progman 11:42:36 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: alberth * r16003 /trunk/src/graph_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Replaced magic widget number constant with enumerated value in graph legend window. 11:47:25 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C210.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Progman] 11:47:33 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C210.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:47:47 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Quit: ecke] 11:50:57 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.19.26.48] has joined #openttd 11:55:19 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 11:57:55 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejj218.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 12:10:33 *** UFO64 [~jmurray@john-michael-murray.um.maine.edu] has joined #openttd 12:11:34 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:11:43 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 12:12:34 *** thingwath [~thingwath@morana.sks2.muni.cz] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 12:13:03 *** Patrick` [~quassel@mikearthur.co.uk] has left #openttd [http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. 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12:44:23 <petern> reverse 12:44:29 <petern> as is the usual meaning 12:44:42 <EoD> i'm at the university ;) 12:44:50 <Xaroth> hm 12:47:16 <Xaroth> all this C/C++ stuff is making my sawdust hurt 12:49:41 <dihedral> your own, or openttds? 12:49:53 <Xaroth> I don't do C/C++ :P 12:50:00 <Xaroth> I do the much uglier, but easier to read, C# :P 12:50:42 <petern> http://pics.blameitonthevoices.com/042009/small_from%201970s%20childrens%20book.jpg 12:51:11 <petern> interesting, firefox on windows converts the spaces in the URL to %20 12:51:26 <petern> but it doesn't under X11 12:51:29 <Xaroth> mine converts the %20 back to spaces 12:51:34 <Xaroth> at least, in the address abr 12:51:36 <Gekz> petern: compile-time feature 12:51:36 <Xaroth> bar, even 12:51:41 <Gekz> and in the address bar, it's hidden 12:51:41 <petern> Gekz, stupid-feature 12:51:43 <Gekz> when it's pasted, it isnt 12:51:49 <Gekz> it's to hide punycode too 12:51:56 <Gekz> not a stupid feature at all 12:52:03 <Gekz> it would make wikipedia links look fugly 12:52:15 <petern> hiding in the address bar is fine 12:52:34 <petern> but not converting back when pasting is silly 12:52:34 <Gekz> it doesnt when you paste it 12:52:43 <Gekz> it does convert back 12:52:45 <Gekz> >_> 12:52:48 <petern> no it doesn't 12:52:57 <Gekz> X11 fail then 12:53:00 <petern> that url above would have spaces in it when copy & pasted from firefox in X11 12:53:18 <Gekz> I havent used Linux for ages 12:53:22 <Gekz> I'm a Mactard 12:53:22 <Xaroth> the second i hit enter after pasting that url to my FF it turned em back to spaces 12:53:34 <petern> (and we've long had the spaces-in-urls-are-not-valid argument) 12:59:36 <Xaroth> tell me i'm looking for PACKET_UDP_MASTER_RESPONSE_LIST .. 12:59:49 * Xaroth crosses toes 13:00:04 <bobo_b> (copied with %20 here too) 13:00:07 <jonty-comp> petern: I thought it just showed the user the spaces and sent them as %20s anyway, so it doesn't particularly matter 13:00:10 <bobo_b> (ff on mac os x) 13:01:22 <petern> jonty-comp, in the address bar, yes. 13:01:32 <bobo_b> can it be that the mac version of openttd is very hardware demanding? i have a dedicated server running here, which has up to 20% cpu load. now i started the game as i client, that has up to 60%. seems "a little" high for openttd 13:01:34 <petern> jonty-comp, it's the difference in copy & paste behaviour to other apps that i'm talking about 13:01:54 <Xaroth> bobo_b: due to graphics layer in between? 13:02:19 <bobo_b> well, that doesn't explain the 20% for the server though 13:02:29 <bobo_b> (wich doesn't have graphics) 13:02:33 <bobo_b> which 13:02:42 * Xaroth shrugs 13:02:43 <petern> is it a new, small, map? 13:02:44 <bobo_b> also, openttd on mac doesn't use x11 13:02:46 <Xaroth> i blame mac. 13:02:51 <petern> or a large map, or tons of vehicles? 13:02:58 <bobo_b> erm 13:03:04 <Xaroth> what are the specs of the rig 13:03:05 <bobo_b> very large, i admit that 13:03:07 <petern> well then 13:03:10 <bobo_b> 2048 ** 2 13:03:13 <bobo_b> but still 13:03:16 <petern> it will be slow them 13:03:18 <Xaroth> i mean.. 20% of 20gb ram is a lot, 20% of 512mb isn't much 13:03:18 <petern> -m+n 13:03:30 <bobo_b> Xaroth: cpu, not ram 13:04:40 <bobo_b> it isn't even playable anymore. the mouse cursor lags (!) 13:04:46 <Xaroth> the thing still remains 13:04:51 <petern> try using a 32bpp blitter 13:04:54 <Xaroth> 20% of a lot, is a lot, 20% of not much, isn't much 13:04:56 <petern> (on the client, obviously) 13:05:50 <glx> yes looks like the usual "slow on mac" problem :) 13:06:06 <petern> our mac porter should be able to resolve that, right? 13:06:15 <petern> (no sniggering at the back) 13:06:22 <glx> last time he tried he failed 13:08:15 <bobo_b> Xaroth: it's running mac os x fluently, so i'd say it's at least a hexacore with 1000 GB ram 13:09:07 <petern> isn't apple's solution, like nvidia's, to "just use" opengl...? 13:10:48 <bobo_b> don't really know what you mean there 13:11:06 *** fonsinchen [~alve@Va14a.v.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 13:12:01 <bobo_b> can i change the blitter ingame? 13:12:08 <bobo_b> or is it command line 13:13:08 <glx> it's command line or config 13:14:17 <glx> blitter in [misc] 13:14:41 <glx> http://wiki.openttd.org/Blitter 13:14:54 <glx> hmm this page is incomplete :) 13:15:09 <petern> yup 13:15:23 * glx fixes it 13:15:31 <padi> anyone here is doing 32bpp complete patch? 13:15:36 <padi> :$ sorry im noob 13:15:45 <glx> padi: no patch needed 13:15:54 <padi> oh 13:15:58 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g230227128.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 13:16:05 <glx> just graphics 13:16:11 <padi> yeah i know 13:16:18 <padi> but one pack of 32bpp 13:16:23 <padi> look so good 13:16:30 <padi> but all completed 13:16:46 <padi> i dont wanna play with one home 8bpp and another 32bpp 13:16:47 <padi> xD 13:17:35 <petern> quite so 13:18:39 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g230227128.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [] 13:21:36 <bobo_b> glx: there is http://wiki.openttd.org/Playing_with_32bpp_graphics 13:21:56 <bobo_b> petern: well, changing the blitter didn't help 13:22:12 <bobo_b> padi: is there 32bpp graphics for everything already?? 13:22:16 <petern> nope 13:23:31 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f050246037.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:39:49 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has joined #openttd 13:52:40 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590c3b86.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 13:54:22 <Xaroth> dihedral: i envy php for not being type-bound :P 13:55:09 <bobo_b> wow, what did that refer too? 13:55:20 <Xaroth> he'll know. 13:55:42 <dihedral> hehe 13:56:20 <Xaroth> UDP streams in .net don't like to be peeked -that- easily. 13:56:54 <Xaroth> .. i still haven't figured out how the master server works, but that's besides the point :P 13:57:45 <bobo_b> why would you code .net? 13:59:01 <Xaroth> because I like it 13:59:09 <Xaroth> same reason you use Mac. 14:00:26 <petern> i despise php for not being type-bound 14:00:29 <petern> no, actually 14:00:32 <petern> i despise php 14:01:04 <petern> Xaroth, not the same, .Net is far more useful. 14:01:05 <Xaroth> petern: yes, that too 14:01:12 <Xaroth> petern: hah 14:01:14 <Xaroth> well, it can be 14:01:29 <Xaroth> would be more useful if the mono lads completed their porting of 2.0 14:01:33 * petern ignores the idiots who think .Net == ASP... 14:01:34 <Gekz> fuck yes 14:01:42 <Gekz> ASP .net. 14:01:44 <Gekz> EOF 14:01:48 <Xaroth> ew 14:02:05 <petern> mono misses crypto bits i need :( 14:02:14 <Xaroth> mono misses System.Windows.Forms :P 14:02:23 <bobo_b> Xaroth: "same reason you use Mac." - so they only gave you .net at work and you have a debian at home too? 14:02:31 <Xaroth> no 14:02:36 <bobo_b> ^^ 14:02:41 <Xaroth> I been developing in .net long before i started working here 14:02:44 <Xaroth> and I use Ubuntu at home 14:02:49 <petern> erm, no it doesn't 14:02:50 <Xaroth> and Winxp64 14:03:06 <Xaroth> petern: they finally got it to work?!? 14:03:10 <bobo_b> but .net only does windows programming, right? 14:03:20 <petern> libmono-winforms2.0-cil - Mono System.Windows.Forms library 14:03:20 <Xaroth> bobo_b: not with mono 14:03:34 <Xaroth> petern: yes, last time i checked that one was still quite buggy and not complete :( 14:03:35 <bobo_b> mono is the posix port then? 14:03:42 <Xaroth> kinda 14:03:46 <bobo_b> hm 14:03:50 <petern> .Net is crossplatform in the same manner that Java is. 14:04:06 <Xaroth> only .Net doesn't use VM's, Java does. 14:04:15 <bobo_b> so what does .net use? 14:04:21 <bobo_b> who runs the bytecode? 14:04:41 <Xaroth> the CLR does 14:05:05 <TrueBrain> Servers registered as on 2009-04-09 14:04:58 UTC. There are 0 clients, 182 IPv4 servers and 1 IPv6 servers. 14:05:07 <TrueBrain> ghehe :) 14:05:16 <Xaroth> nice :o 14:05:20 <EoD> openttd servers? 14:05:29 <TrueBrain> no, ass-kissing servers 14:05:30 <TrueBrain> :p 14:05:34 <Belugas> naaaa... coffee servers 14:05:42 <petern> the CLR *is* a VM... 14:06:07 <petern> it's jitty 14:06:24 <petern> hm 14:06:44 <bobo_b> petern: i agree on the despise php part. nut not because it's dynamically typed 14:07:12 <dihedral> can we not use some knowledge and crash some old servers in that list ^^ 14:07:13 <petern> i despise "lamp" too 14:07:16 <Xaroth> .. I wonder if this code runs on unix o_O 14:07:20 <bobo_b> python for example is an extremely nice language, partly because it is dynamically typed 14:07:40 * dihedral enjoys tcl ^^ 14:08:05 <TrueBrain> petern: every sane system administrator does :p 14:08:12 <bobo_b> yeah i don't really see how the clr is not at least vm-like 14:08:24 <Xaroth> it's vm-like 14:08:29 <bobo_b> petern: why would you despise lamp? 14:08:30 <Xaroth> but not a true vm like java's VM 14:08:37 <bobo_b> Xaroth: how not? 14:09:36 <petern> linux: okay. apache: bloated. mysql: shit. php: despise 14:10:24 <dihedral> hehe 14:12:23 <Prof_Frink> petern: That's not what lamp stands for. 14:12:30 <bobo_b> so what do you use instead of apache and mysql 14:12:43 <dihedral> Prof_Frink, enlighten us 14:12:47 <Prof_Frink> Linux-Apache-Most of our scripting languages begin with p-Postgresql. 14:13:28 <Xaroth> bobo_b: the CLR is language independant 14:13:49 <dihedral> tcl, squirrel, lua, bash, javascript .... 14:13:53 <bobo_b> Xaroth: just read it on wikipedia 14:14:03 <Alberth> Xaroth: no it's not, you cannot run full C++ on it 14:14:15 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 14:14:39 <Alberth> (it doesn't do multiple inheritance) 14:14:55 <Xaroth> true 14:16:41 <Xaroth> anyhow 14:16:44 * Xaroth goes back to code 14:17:29 <Xaroth> ServerListType type = (ServerListType)(p->Recv_uint8() - 1); 14:18:14 <Xaroth> how come the data received should be interpreted differently from the data sent? 14:18:24 <Xaroth> (network/network_udp.cpp) 14:18:41 <dihedral> Xaroth, lookup what ServerListType is 14:18:46 <Xaroth> an enum 14:18:52 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:18:52 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 14:19:25 <dihedral> and, then that is fine is it not? 14:23:21 *** el_en [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has quit [Quit: adiós] 14:27:04 <Xaroth> nm 14:27:11 <Xaroth> i just noticed it actually sends type+1 14:27:16 <Xaroth> and as such it receives type-1 14:31:11 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest164 14:31:13 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-98-223-48-35.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 14:35:30 *** Guest164 [~Dale@c-98-223-48-35.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:37:00 <Ammler> something changed with "-n" ? 14:39:54 <Ammler> nvm... :-) 14:49:29 <TrueBrain> "Red Faction Guerilla DEMO" <- hmm .. why isn't it on the market place .. 14:55:53 *** Kelytha [Kelytha@apn-94-44-13-173.vodafone.hu] has joined #openttd 14:56:07 <Kelytha> Hello 14:56:14 <jpm> hi 14:58:20 <Kelytha> I need some help compiling OpenTTD on MinGW... trying to get it for two days now with no success. I have set up MinGW and MSYS, compiled wget, zlib and libpng as written on the wiki 14:58:42 <glx> what's the error? 14:59:10 <Kelytha> checked that all the DLL-s and .H files are in the MinGW folder. Yet configure keeps telling me it can't find Zlib 14:59:12 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:59:43 <glx> you should have libz.a in mingw\lib 14:59:52 <Kelytha> it's there 15:01:19 <Kelytha> together with libz.dll.a and libzdll.a 15:01:26 <Kelytha> I used mingwPORT to build it 15:04:27 <glx> paste config.log content on http://paste.openttd.org 15:06:35 <Kelytha> http://paste.openttd.org/181585 15:07:05 <glx> ok it failed to find the header 15:07:31 <glx> where is mingw installed? 15:07:42 <Kelytha> C:\MinGW 15:08:04 <glx> and you have include\zlib.h there? 15:08:16 <Kelytha> yes 15:09:15 <glx> paste msys etc/fstab content 15:09:21 <TrueBrain> shouldn't it be c:\mingw\usr\include\zlib.h? 15:09:33 <glx> no 15:09:39 <glx> usr is in msys :) 15:09:40 <TrueBrain> mingw is weird :) 15:10:45 <Kelytha> c:/mingw /mingw 15:10:55 <Kelytha> e:/ottd /home/ottd 15:11:28 <glx> that's all ? 15:11:32 <Kelytha> yes 15:11:49 <glx> add "c:/mingw /usr/local 15:11:50 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 15:12:03 <petern> TrueBrain, i'm scared :/ 15:12:22 <TrueBrain> petern: for who? 15:12:33 <Xaroth> hrnf 15:13:03 <glx> and c:/mingw /usr 15:13:41 <glx> (and of course restart msys) 15:13:48 <Kelytha> there is no usr folder 15:14:01 <glx> not a problem :) 15:14:09 <Kelytha> ah, okay, misunderstood 15:14:23 <dihedral> <PublicServer> *** Game unpaused (enough players) 15:14:23 <dihedral> <PublicServer> *** AmmIer joined the game 15:14:35 <glx> dihedral: spammer 15:14:36 <Kelytha> anyway, after adding c:/mingw as /usr/local it worked 15:14:38 <dihedral> should a game not unpause from min_active_clients _after_ the client has fully joined? 15:15:07 <glx> Kelytha: using /usr is good for some stupid libs (IIRC) 15:15:09 <TrueBrain> who says he isn't fully joined? 15:15:42 <dihedral> TrueBrain, the game usually unpauses after the client join message, as the game pauses for the client to join 15:15:43 <Kelytha> glx: I see 15:16:02 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 15:19:06 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.97.99] has joined #openttd 15:19:42 <Xaroth> hrnf the Master Server aint giving me the love i want from it 15:21:47 *** phidah [~phidah@0x5733a2bb.bynxx19.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 15:23:18 <dihedral> what's ya prob? 15:23:52 <Rubidium> he isn't loving it enough 15:24:30 *** ecke [~ecke@pc152-57.upce.cz] has joined #openttd 15:24:32 <Xaroth> er 15:24:45 <Xaroth> trying to send a CLIENT_GET_LIST packet to the master server 15:24:48 <Xaroth> to get the server listing back 15:25:30 <Kelytha> glx: thank you very much, it compiled and runs :) 15:25:34 <Rubidium> Xaroth: does 213.148.224.238 sound familiar? 15:26:45 <Xaroth> quite 15:26:48 <jonty-comp> Rubidium: By the way, I'm guessing IPv6 servers just don't show up for people who don't have it 15:26:49 <Xaroth> server bitching at me? 15:26:58 <Rubidium> jonty-comp: exactly 15:27:03 <jonty-comp> most excellent 15:27:13 <Rubidium> Xaroth: [2009-04-09 15:08:28 GMT]: [net] received a request for the game server list from 213.148.224.238:3033 (IPv4) with unknown master server version 15:27:18 <Xaroth> o_O 15:27:43 <Xaroth> data packet: 06 00 06 04 01 02 15:28:14 <Xaroth> len len id version, masterversion serverlisttype 15:28:58 <Rubidium> what's the 04 doing there? 15:29:10 <petern> i hope sizeof(in6_addr) is the same on all systems ;) 15:29:10 *** Dr_Jekyll [R4R@p57B0DD5C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:29:21 <Xaroth> Rubidium: Protocol VersionID 15:29:34 <Rubidium> petern: if it isn't people will complain about compile failures 15:29:45 <Rubidium> Xaroth: huh? 15:29:52 <petern> ah, assert_compile :D 15:30:01 <Xaroth> Rubidium: cheers, can test that :P 15:30:04 <taisteluorava> what was a problem when i always get a error message called "can't build railways station here..." Had this before too, but cant remember a solution 15:30:05 <Rubidium> oh, looking at the wrong code 15:30:22 <petern> network_udp.cpp:295 is a little wrong ;) 15:30:51 <petern> taisteluorava, solution: build it somewhere else? 15:30:53 <Xaroth> Rubidium: default settings on the packet class i built sends along version id 15:31:05 <taisteluorava> cant build it anywhere in a map 15:31:25 <Rubidium> Xaroth: I think you need glasses 15:31:26 <taisteluorava> maybe it's beacose my newGRF settings 15:31:54 <petern> possibly you' trying to build a station of a size that the newgrf station doesn't allow 15:31:59 <petern> +re 15:32:18 <taisteluorava> cant build even 1x1 grid station 15:32:36 <Ammler> becuase it is a 1x2 grid station 15:32:47 <petern> using the standard built-in original station? 15:32:47 *** Wolle [R4R@p57B0EDEB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:32:56 <petern> or using a newgrf station that doesn't allow 1x1? 15:33:06 <taisteluorava> cant build that neither, i try disable newGRF's and check again 15:33:10 <petern> (newgrf station size restrictions are not maximum size limits) 15:33:18 <Xaroth> Rubidium: I need to stop digging through code I don't fully understand.. or at least stop doing it for too long 15:34:25 <taisteluorava> it's not about newGRF's 15:34:45 <Xaroth> and there we go 15:34:48 <Xaroth> full list parsable. 15:35:54 <Alberth> taisteluorava: you are not pausing the game, are you? 15:36:20 <taisteluorava> didint check that, i restarted a whole openttd and now it works 15:36:33 <taisteluorava> its possible that game was a pause ^^ 15:37:01 <taisteluorava> there should be read in screen with BIG letters when game is pause : D 15:37:19 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.8/2009032609]] 15:37:20 <Ammler> but then, you wouldn't get the msg. 15:38:29 <Alberth> Ammler: you are correct, it just refuses to build without any message. 15:39:14 <DJNekkid> why is it a problem with a vehicle changeing length? 15:39:26 <Ammler> I have actually no idea, how to set a station to get that msg 15:40:24 <Ammler> oh, the msg is hidden behind the chat ;-) 15:40:24 <Xaroth> right 15:40:29 <Xaroth> off to go home 15:40:45 <Xaroth> weekend time :) 15:41:17 <taisteluorava> how does that "refittable to:" work in train description 15:41:28 <frosch123> DJNekkid: a vehicle may only change length while inside depot 15:41:38 <taisteluorava> 1 train have "all but oil", so does it can carry a wood? 15:42:31 <DJNekkid> so i've understood ... i want to make a head-short by 5/8ths - short by 1/8th - head ... and the two in the middle to change sprites when turn, so it does not look like it turns ... but i guess that can be done with some graphical hacks 15:42:51 <Alberth> taisteluorava: send it to a depot first 15:43:20 <taisteluorava> then? 15:43:35 <taisteluorava> oh, found it 15:43:38 <taisteluorava> thx : ) 15:45:01 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejj218.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 15:53:38 *** Kelytha [Kelytha@apn-94-44-13-173.vodafone.hu] has quit [Quit: Furry.hu] 15:55:40 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:56:20 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has joined #openttd 15:56:24 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 16:08:52 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.97.99] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:09:17 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:10:41 <DJNekkid> is a dualheaded articulated engine possible=? 16:10:43 <Xaroth> Rubidium: Is the server list the MS sends back related on the requesting address? 16:11:00 <Xaroth> as in, ipv6 for ipv6 clients and vice versa 16:11:53 <frosch123> DJNekkid: noone tried yet, the behaviour is likely undefined 16:11:56 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.97.99] has joined #openttd 16:12:07 <DJNekkid> hehe, oki ... 16:12:49 <DJNekkid> i want to ble able to do that! dual head, with a "special" wagon after the first head, and the attached wagon (via purchase a wagon) is set after that, but before the last head 16:13:31 <DJNekkid> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stadler_GTW 16:13:44 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.97.99] has quit [] 16:14:38 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has joined #openttd 16:15:22 <petern> it's exclusive 16:15:39 <petern> if the multihead flag it set it won't add articulated parts 16:15:47 *** fonsinchen [~alve@Va14a.v.pppool.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:15:53 <DJNekkid> thats what i figured as well ... :( 16:16:10 <DJNekkid> but that makes it quite hard to add the appropiate grapichs :( 16:16:18 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:16:32 *** ecke [~ecke@pc152-57.upce.cz] has quit [Quit: ecke] 16:17:38 <frosch123> I do not understand what you are heading for. The <insert word starting with R> trains looks pretty fixed. I.e. it would be just an engine with three parts, which does not accept any wagons. I guess you want to extent that concect.. 16:18:00 <DJNekkid> exactly ... 16:18:25 <DJNekkid> i want to be able to add a wagon to that conist ... that is easy, but when there are more then one consist ... 16:18:28 <frosch123> so you could give your MU wagons different lengths depending on the position in chain 16:18:36 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 16:18:45 <DJNekkid> and perhaps even a 3parter + 4parter 16:19:21 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:19:22 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 16:20:02 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 16:21:00 <DJNekkid> i guess i gotta sleep on it :) 16:21:22 <DJNekkid> or gig on it (got a gig in a few hrs) 16:21:38 <frosch123> are there only passenger wagons? in that case you could use the position in a consecutive chain of vehicles with same id 16:21:55 <EoD> whois 2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:699a:1a91:371f:f31a ? 16:22:01 <glx> me 16:22:53 <DJNekkid> heads are ID 40, the motorwagon is ID 7E, and the attached wagon is whatever 16:23:19 <DJNekkid> lets say 1A 16:23:24 <glx> EoD: why? 16:23:28 <EoD> glx: don't you want to set up reverse DNS? :) 16:23:36 <EoD> because you query my server all the time ;) 16:23:39 <glx> I can't 16:23:57 <frosch123> DJNekkid: well, I meant to display the wagons like a motorwagon, if they are at a certain position 16:24:02 <EoD> glx: native ipv6? 16:24:06 <glx> yes 16:24:13 <EoD> oh, fine :) 16:24:24 <DJNekkid> but the head-motor-head is buildt as an articulation 16:24:35 <DJNekkid> and the motor is not supposed to have any capacity 16:24:54 <frosch123> you can also change the capacity by callback 16:25:10 <DJNekkid> i know, but then the p-list info would be wrong :) 16:25:22 <DJNekkid> thus, the game would complain 16:26:14 <frosch123> iirc it does not complain about capacities 16:26:26 <frosch123> only about refittability and carried cargos 16:27:50 <DJNekkid> but a CB36'ed wagon in a articulated chain does not get called in the p-list 16:27:58 <DJNekkid> so it would show up wrong 16:28:10 <DJNekkid> but ... however ... 16:28:15 <DJNekkid> that ... might ... work 16:28:18 <frosch123> you would have to buy the wagon separately anyway 16:28:19 <DJNekkid> hmmmmmmmmmmmm 16:28:28 <DJNekkid> i know, but not the motorcoach 16:28:46 <frosch123> though you would have to disallow stating the engine without a wagon (motor) 16:30:00 <DJNekkid> hmm ... i think i might have an idea, perhaps a bit hack'ish, but still... 16:30:18 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.97.99] has joined #openttd 16:30:54 <DJNekkid> let the motorwagon be ID 40, CB36 it to zero capacity, and then just CB36 the p-list sprite to the appropiate capacity 16:31:08 <DJNekkid> the capacity is sub255 anyway... 16:31:30 <DJNekkid> (i've not found out how to CB36 capacity >255) 16:33:01 <DJNekkid> and this way i can modulo + last in chain the grapichs ... 16:33:11 <DJNekkid> but now, my wifes famous lasagna... 16:33:20 <DJNekkid> i'll bother you more 2morrow :) 16:33:42 <frosch123> :) 16:34:20 <Belugas> you have 2 wives? 16:34:22 <Belugas> or more?? 16:34:44 <jonty-comp> 2 is not enough 16:34:50 <Belugas> hurg... 16:35:01 <Belugas> never been married, aren't you? 16:35:38 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.97.99] has quit [Quit: Want to be different? Try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-] 16:35:58 <frosch123> depends on parallel/sequential 16:37:49 <Belugas> sequential is sane 16:37:54 <Belugas> parallel is hell 16:38:48 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 16:43:37 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:45:12 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-176-020.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 16:47:08 <Belugas> le me rephrase :) 16:47:10 <Belugas> sequential is essential 16:47:12 <Belugas> parallel is hell 16:48:10 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 16:49:24 <Belugas> and job is both 16:49:24 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:49:28 <Belugas> essential AND hell 16:51:57 <frosch123> parallel or sequential jobs ? :p 16:52:51 <glx> usually parallel :) 16:53:02 <glx> and for yesterday 16:54:34 *** Pikka [~PikkaBird@CPE-58-169-176-162.qld.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 16:57:24 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 17:02:23 <bobo_b> bye, have a nice weekend 17:02:27 *** bobo_b [~bobo_b@tiberius.ze.tum.de] has quit [Quit: quit] 17:02:35 <petern> ooo arg home 17:03:27 *** Beklugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has joined #openttd 17:04:11 <petern> beklugas, eh? 17:04:35 <Beklugas> network stability at work keeps on increasing... 17:04:42 <Beklugas> a beklugas? where???? 17:04:42 <petern> :s 17:05:36 <TrueBrain> I dislike Belugas' new name 17:05:40 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:05:58 <petern> well that's okay, he can switch back now 17:06:45 <Beklugas> ggrrrr 17:06:52 *** Beklugas is now known as Belugas 17:07:13 <glx> next time use ghost ;) 17:07:26 <glx> so no need to leave .notice 17:07:33 <Belugas> ghost? 17:07:44 <Belugas> the only ghosts i know are NIN once... 17:08:15 <Prof_Frink> Who ya gonna call? NickServ! 17:08:23 <petern> one one eight! 17:08:34 <Prof_Frink> twenty four seven! 17:08:46 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 17:09:05 <petern> hmm, an old DDD-marked CD contains low level audio 17:09:19 <petern> back when they care about audio quality rather than loudness 17:10:04 <petern> *cared 17:10:12 <Belugas> ho... regain... right 17:10:18 <Belugas> i forgot, glx 17:10:19 <Belugas> thanks 17:11:22 *** bobo_b [~bobo_b@tiberius.ze.tum.de] has joined #openttd 17:11:28 <petern> i don't see the point ;) 17:11:41 <petern> mind you i never did much like chan/nick servs 17:11:56 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has joined #openttd 17:11:57 *** bobo_b [~bobo_b@tiberius.ze.tum.de] has quit [] 17:12:11 <petern> hmm, and when did they stop labelling CDs with AAD/ADD/DDD... 17:16:23 <Belugas> [13:13] <@petern> mind you i never did much like chan/nick servs <-- your connection seems to be more stable than mine ;) 17:16:52 *** Ant_LV [Ant_LV@87.110.124.23] has joined #openttd 17:27:26 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:29:19 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 17:42:31 *** Pikka [~PikkaBird@CPE-58-169-176-162.qld.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 17:43:52 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 17:46:53 <DJNekkid> *got a tough nut to crack* 17:49:32 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:51:30 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 17:59:06 <Belugas> [13:49] <DJNekkid> *got a tough nut to crack* <-- who's the poor soul? 17:59:38 <Belugas> if his name is on my foe lst, go ahead 18:00:54 <DJNekkid> Stadler GTW :) 18:01:10 <DJNekkid> but i _think_ i might have solved it 18:02:19 <EoD> bbl 18:02:34 *** EoD [~EoD@neumann.gaf.fs.lmu.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.8/2009040721]] 18:07:02 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has quit [Quit: AdiaÅ.] 18:08:36 <DJNekkid> kappla! 18:09:14 <DJNekkid> (success in klingon) 18:09:37 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db023eb.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 18:12:03 <Prof_Frink> Q'apla! iirc. 18:12:42 <DJNekkid> same shit, different wrapping :) 18:17:33 <Belugas> don't say to a klingon his language is cheat... 18:17:35 <Belugas> littel advice :) 18:17:40 <Belugas> shit 18:17:42 <Belugas> not cheat 18:17:44 <Belugas> gaaaaaa 18:19:23 <Prof_Frink> Belugas: That won't be a problem. 18:19:34 <Prof_Frink> Klingons aren't real. 18:20:00 <Belugas> my favorite kind of people! 18:20:18 <Prof_Frink> You're confusing Star Trek with Galaxy Quest. 18:20:57 *** Klanticus [~quassel@189.35.30.61] has joined #openttd 18:20:58 <Belugas> dunno... i've never been beyond town quest... 18:21:04 <Sacro> Belugas: your mother has a smooth forehead 18:21:21 <Prof_Frink> And your father smelt of elderberries! 18:22:07 <pavel1269> is this openttd channel? :-) 18:22:27 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:22:33 <Belugas> of course it is... 18:22:34 <Prof_Frink> openwhatnow? 18:22:40 <Belugas> channel of insanity! 18:23:08 <Belugas> Sacro, at least, my mother has a forehead! 18:23:10 <petern> hello 18:23:38 <Belugas> Prof_Frink : lies. my father has the belly of an elder 18:24:07 <Prof_Frink> Hello... Is there anybody in there? 18:25:47 <Belugas> just knock if you can here me 18:26:01 <Belugas> hear 18:26:04 <Belugas> niot here 18:26:07 <Belugas> ARGH@ 18:26:12 <Prof_Frink> nod, not knock 18:26:40 <Belugas> you know, i'm only hearing things... not reading words 18:26:46 <Prof_Frink> As am I. 18:26:57 <Belugas> makes more sens to knock than to nod, if you ask me 18:27:05 <Prof_Frink> but in a moment I won't be heaaring words. 18:27:12 <Prof_Frink> Belugas: Why? 18:27:43 <Belugas> the guy comes in, and ask if there's anyone in there 18:27:45 <Belugas> so... 18:27:47 <Prof_Frink> The Wall is inside his head. 18:27:50 <Belugas> it means he does not see anyone 18:28:04 <Belugas> so, if younod, he wont see you neither 18:28:11 <Belugas> if youknock ion the wall, he will... 18:28:17 <Belugas> HEAR! 18:28:18 <Belugas> tadam 18:28:30 <Prof_Frink> Or just perform an epic guitar solo. 18:28:30 <DJNekkid> talking about klingon, seen the Frasier episode where he speaks klingon in his son bar mitsva? 18:28:46 <DJNekkid> (or whatever that 14yr old jew ritual is called) 18:29:24 <Prof_Frink> Belugas: It's a doctor talking to a drug-addled Pink, trying to get him to perform at a concert. 18:29:51 <Belugas> i know... i know... i have the dvd at home 18:30:10 <Belugas> and i must have seen the movie like 5 times in a row when it came out 18:30:17 <Belugas> granted i was not... sober 18:30:20 <Belugas> nor clean 18:30:21 <Belugas> nor... 18:30:25 <Belugas> there... 18:30:26 <pavel1269> is this new bug? ... i set PW to my company ... load .... no PW... anyone can join ... as soon as i join, it auto set PW .... ? 18:30:26 * Prof_Frink has never seen the film 18:30:50 <Belugas> and i had the tape, the record in vonly, the cd 18:31:07 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g230227128.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 18:33:03 <TrueBrain> OOM Killer gave us a little visit ... 18:33:40 <Prof_Frink> Backward beefs! 18:34:17 <Belugas> Zahl is a killer? 18:34:19 <SmatZ> thanks, TrueBrain :) 18:34:53 <Zahl> >:D 18:35:03 <TrueBrain> I hope I restored all services 18:35:10 <TrueBrain> tracd was using 300 MiB .. and lighttpd too ... 18:35:11 <TrueBrain> bitches 18:37:17 *** EoD [~EoD@2001:a60:f066:0:204:23ff:fea7:166e] has joined #openttd 18:39:21 <planetmaker> pavel1269: passwords were never saved. 18:39:29 *** EoD [~EoD@2001:a60:f066:0:204:23ff:fea7:166e] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:39:32 <pavel1269> i thought, there was a feature ... :-/ 18:39:33 <planetmaker> --> upon reload of a map on a server all pws are gone 18:39:52 <planetmaker> there's a feature to set one pw on a newly founded company automatically 18:39:53 <pavel1269> too bad 18:40:11 <petern> new server list layout looks better 18:40:14 <planetmaker> servers don't crash and continue to run - so no need 18:40:18 <planetmaker> usually 18:40:24 <pavel1269> usually 18:40:36 *** EoD [~EoD@2001:a60:f066:0:204:23ff:fea7:166e] has joined #openttd 18:40:43 <EoD> re 18:40:45 <planetmaker> or how would you handle it, if three people join a company? First sets A, 2nd B, 3rd C - and how do I later know which is valid? 18:41:04 <TrueBrain> petern: I agree :) 18:41:12 <planetmaker> so, I don't even think it's a desirable feature, pavel1269 18:41:23 <petern> the inclusion of [ ] in ipv6 address makes them somewhat clearer too :D 18:41:42 <pavel1269> planetmaker: the last one :-) 18:41:56 <TrueBrain> petern: just a tiny bit? :p It sucks that IPv6 uses :, and use it for port indication too :( 18:42:00 <pavel1269> well ... who set PW, then PW should retain ... 18:44:20 <petern> yeah, odd decision that 18:53:51 *** SmatZ is now known as Guest202 18:53:53 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 18:54:31 *** SmatZ- [~SmatZ@vs241204.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 18:54:59 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:55:01 *** SmatZ- is now known as SmatZ 18:55:49 *** EoD [~EoD@2001:a60:f066:0:204:23ff:fea7:166e] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:56:42 *** DJNekkid [~chatzilla@static128-249.adsl.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:58:31 *** Guest202 [~SmatZ@vs241204.vserver.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:58:40 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:58:53 *** dihedral [~dih@vs241204.vserver.de] has quit [Quit: knock knock - gone] 18:59:24 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has joined #openttd 18:59:27 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 19:01:38 *** planetmas [~pm@vs241204.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 19:02:45 <petern> when's the nightly set off now? 19:02:51 <petern> or am i just being impatient? 19:03:33 *** dih [~dih@vs241204.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 19:04:08 *** EoD [~EoD@2001:a60:f066:0:215:afff:fe21:f032] has joined #openttd 19:05:31 *** planetmaker [~pm@vs241204.vserver.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:06:31 <glx> petern: I'd say the server seems to have problems 19:07:46 <EoD> only the ipv6 server or the others, too? 19:08:11 *** dih [~dih@vs241204.vserver.de] has quit [] 19:08:15 *** dih [~dih@vs241204.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 19:09:16 <Xaroth> petern: timestamps on the site said 19:00 .. it's now 19:09 UTC 19:09:20 <Xaroth> so.. 9 minutes ago? 19:11:35 * EoD is probably back later 19:11:59 *** EoD [~EoD@2001:a60:f066:0:215:afff:fe21:f032] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.8/2009040606]] 19:14:04 *** padi [pad@bl8-191-176.dsl.telepac.pt] has left #openttd [] 19:14:04 *** padi [pad@bl8-191-176.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 19:15:14 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejj218.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 19:18:08 *** NightKhaos [~nightkhao@78-86-111-126.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:24:49 *** NightKhaos [~nightkhao@78-86-111-126.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 19:28:05 *** planetmas is now known as planetmaker 19:29:15 <petern> no nightly for me tonight then :( 19:30:13 <jonty-comp> compile it yourself, lazy bum 19:30:21 <jonty-comp> or let me do it in 24 seconds 19:30:34 <petern> :s 19:30:44 <petern> don't have the environment set up 19:30:51 <petern> on this smelly p4 laptop 19:31:01 <jonty-comp> I can bung an exe out if you want 19:31:12 <petern> could do but i'm not lie-nux 19:31:14 <petern> NOT 19:31:17 <petern> i'm ON lie-nux 19:31:24 <jonty-comp> oh, right 19:31:25 <jonty-comp> you smell 19:31:28 <petern> yes 19:31:31 <petern> with my nose 19:31:34 <jonty-comp> I can still compile it in debian though 19:31:43 <petern> so can i 19:31:58 <petern> bash: svn: command not found 19:32:01 * Prof_Frink throws torvalds-says-linux.ogg at petern 19:32:01 <petern> :< 19:32:09 <petern> Prof_Frink, quite 19:32:18 <jonty-comp> People ask me about lie-nux all the time 19:32:22 <petern> yes 19:32:24 <petern> i hit them 19:32:24 <jonty-comp> so I say "sorry, I don't know much about it" 19:32:26 <petern> mentally, anyway 19:32:39 <Prof_Frink> "It's pronounced 'oo-boon-too'." 19:32:50 <jonty-comp> "My S Q L!" 19:33:50 <Prof_Frink> PostgreSQL: Because we hate people who pronounce SQL as sequel. 19:33:58 <jonty-comp> I might leave my server at r16000 for a while, it sounds cooler than r16003 19:35:02 <petern> leenucks :/ 19:35:07 <petern> ubuntu can fuck off 19:37:29 <jonty-comp> whatever is so not-obvious about "li nucks"? 19:39:20 <orudge> jonty-comp: I have r16000 on my PC! 19:39:21 <orudge> actually 19:39:23 <orudge> I have a modified version 19:39:25 <orudge> with my sound patch 19:39:34 <orudge> so I can't connect to you without manually setting the revision! 19:39:43 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-224-92.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:39:51 <jonty-comp> I used your sound patch with r16000 earlier! 19:39:57 <orudge> huzzah 19:40:08 <petern> so 19:40:09 <jonty-comp> I could patch it into the server, but there would be little point. 19:40:11 <petern> this sound patch 19:40:17 <orudge> and no, the IPv6 on gollum is unfortunately not native, but the tunnel provider is in the same datacentre as my server 19:40:20 <orudge> so it's pretty close 19:40:22 <petern> will it be successful like obg support is widely used 19:40:27 <petern> and 32bpp is widely used 19:40:35 <petern> everyone demanded that one too 19:40:38 <petern> idiots 19:40:40 <orudge> petern: well, I am hoping it will be successful enough that OpenSFX starts to go somewhere 19:40:48 <orudge> OpenGFX has come along rather a lot 19:40:57 <orudge> maybe 0.8.0 will have complete sound and graphics replacements ;) 19:40:59 * petern ponders removing 32bpp support under the pretence of 'unused code' 19:41:04 <orudge> well 19:41:06 <orudge> it does get used 19:41:08 <orudge> just not by us :p 19:41:39 *** Klanticus [~quassel@189.35.30.61] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:43:01 <Ant_LV> when will be openttd 1.0.0? in 2012-04-01? 19:43:12 <orudge> that would seem logical! 19:43:29 <petern> srslynot 19:43:29 <Prof_Frink> Ant_LV: No, that'll be 0.10.0 19:43:40 <petern> exactly 19:43:51 <Ant_LV> so openttd won't be ever 1.0.0? 19:43:53 <TrueBrain> bah, my new tunnel endpoint still is not on :( 19:44:00 <petern> :( 19:44:02 <TrueBrain> on = active 19:44:03 <Prof_Frink> 0.?.0 19:44:28 <petern> 0.9.0 -> 0.A.0 -> 0.B.0 :D 19:44:35 <TrueBrain> petern: that would be cool :) 19:44:48 <Ant_LV> & what'll be after 0.F.0? 0.00.0? :-) 19:44:48 <TrueBrain> well, cool not being the word 19:44:50 <TrueBrain> but still fun:p 19:44:55 *** Klanticus [~quassel@189.35.30.61] has joined #openttd 19:45:09 <petern> either 0.G.0 or 0.10.0 19:45:20 <petern> i propose we use 2 digits after Z 19:45:40 <Ant_LV> or use of other half of ascii? 19:45:45 <TrueBrain> 0.[.0 19:45:52 <Xaroth> heh 19:45:54 <TrueBrain> 0.*.0 19:45:57 <petern> 10 ... 1Z ... A0 ... EJ ... ZZ ... 0.100.0 19:46:00 <petern> MAY HAPS 19:46:01 <Xaroth> first test complete, har har 19:46:14 <TrueBrain> petern: how much releases did you plan?! 19:46:18 <petern> Prof_Frink, keep talking 19:46:20 <Prof_Frink> Or do a TeX and add digits approaching a fundamental constant. 19:46:34 <petern> heh 19:46:36 <Ant_LV> btw is there any newgrf (& i couldn't find it), so monorail bridge in openttd looks just like in tto? 19:46:39 <Prof_Frink> petern: Porquoi? 19:47:04 <Prof_Frink> Or are you listening to? 19:47:04 * petern appears to have the purple froyd on mp3 19:47:16 <Prof_Frink> Purpil? 19:47:35 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.180.173] has joined #openttd 19:47:59 <jonty-comp> OpenTTD version 0000:af38:1001:3b1a 19:48:00 <petern> TrueBrain, uh, well 19:48:16 <petern> TrueBrain, we could stop the branching thing, and make regular point releases 19:48:25 <TrueBrain> petern: say we do it every month 19:48:27 <TrueBrain> which is .. often 19:48:29 <petern> and get the distros to apply patches to it 19:48:29 <TrueBrain> but lets say 19:48:35 <petern> our releases are not for end users 19:48:40 <jonty-comp> which would apparently be version 192655321545498 19:48:41 <TrueBrain> @calc pow(36, 2) 19:48:41 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 1296 19:48:46 <Prof_Frink> Better still, just use codenames of stations on some mainline 19:48:53 <TrueBrain> that needs 100 years :p 19:48:56 <petern> :S 19:49:06 <petern> every svn revision is a new release! 19:49:13 <TrueBrain> ghehe :) 19:49:19 <TrueBrain> @calc pow(36, 3) 19:49:19 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 46656 19:49:22 <jonty-comp> v0.16000.0? 19:49:23 <Ant_LV> yep, petern 19:49:25 <TrueBrain> then we need 3 letters, yes :) 19:49:26 <Prof_Frink> Have a release every day! 19:49:29 <Ant_LV> 0.65535.0 19:49:34 <TrueBrain> Prof_Frink: lets call it a nightly! 19:49:39 <jonty-comp> or perhaps you could run it by every 1000 revisions 19:49:41 <Prof_Frink> TrueBrain: Controversial! 19:49:44 <jonty-comp> 0.16.0 19:49:55 <jonty-comp> daily.openttd.org? 19:49:57 <Ant_LV> 0.2^32.0 19:49:58 <Prof_Frink> How would people tell the releases from the development versions? 19:50:05 <TrueBrain> anyway, petern, I do think we should release more often ;) But that is besides the point :) 19:50:29 <petern> let's release 0.8.0 19:50:37 <petern> changes from 0.7.0: ipv6 19:50:38 <jonty-comp> I'm with petern 19:50:51 <TrueBrain> petern: currently I can't get an IPv4 server to advertise 19:50:58 <jonty-comp> although Bilbo seems to indicate that it's broken 19:50:58 <TrueBrain> so I don't know if that is the best idea you had ;) 19:51:00 <jonty-comp> as TrueBrain says 19:51:02 <petern> okay, maybe 9 days is a bit too soon :D 19:51:04 <Prof_Frink> petern: Oh, you got that one wrong. 19:51:17 <Prof_Frink> You should have released 0.7.0 on march 31st 19:51:25 <Prof_Frink> then 0.8.0 on April 1st 19:52:13 <petern> nah 19:52:15 <petern> stupid idea 19:52:22 <petern> everyone would think it was a joke 19:52:31 <Prof_Frink> Exactly! 19:52:37 <Prof_Frink> Then the joke would be on them! 19:53:44 <Ant_LV> "There is no idea what is going to be in 0.8.0. " (c) wiki 19:53:52 <petern> finch 19:53:53 <petern> er 19:53:54 <jonty-comp> [citation needed] 19:54:01 <petern> that'd be the wrong window 19:54:05 <Prof_Frink> Ant_LV: IPv6 for a start 19:54:21 <Prof_Frink> petern: What a weak root password. 19:54:27 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.160.162] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:54:28 <petern> and probably some new gui thing 19:54:35 <petern> Prof_Frink, no, i just wanted to start finch 19:54:50 <Prof_Frink> Yeah yeah, that's what they all say. 19:55:42 <Ant_LV> "new gui thing", what do u mean? 19:55:49 <Prof_Frink> "I was just trying to run K98sdf[sw'sa" 19:56:02 <petern> Prof_Frink, how did you guess that? :( 19:56:06 <Prof_Frink> Ant_LV: Like the current gui thing, but newer. 19:56:20 <Prof_Frink> Hang on a minute... 19:56:31 <Prof_Frink> petern! NewGuiThing! 19:56:31 <TrueBrain> I can't hold my breath that long :( 19:56:58 <Ant_LV> you can 19:57:08 <TrueBrain> lol, someone 'found' my password of a test env I was running 19:57:15 <Prof_Frink> TrueBrain: No, "Hang on a minute crimp and get you feet into the crack". 19:57:20 <TrueBrain> I looked at them and smiled .. '2' is not really a password :p 19:57:28 <Prof_Frink> passdigit 19:57:50 * Ant_LV 's looking some places to telnet. any ideas? 19:57:53 <TrueBrain> funny enough, most dict-attacks don't find it :p They assumed pass > 3 letters :p 19:58:00 <TrueBrain> telnet? 19:58:01 <TrueBrain> what is that? 19:58:06 <petern> telnet 19:58:12 <Ant_LV> telnet is telnet 19:58:12 <TrueBrain> can you eat that? 19:58:15 <Ant_LV> yep 19:58:15 <petern> a useful tool for debuggin http and smtp problems 19:58:20 <petern> but not ssh 19:58:21 <TrueBrain> petern: fair enough :) 19:58:27 <petern> because ssh is a bit hard to type :( 19:58:30 <TrueBrain> I use netcat 19:58:34 <TrueBrain> but I guess that is a telnet too :p 19:58:41 <Prof_Frink> Ant_LV: ascii star wars! 19:58:44 <Ant_LV> but smtp is easy. i've sent many emails from putty 19:58:54 <TrueBrain> you remember all the headers? :p 19:59:04 <TrueBrain> (my MTA ignores you if you don't fill in correct headers .. with good reason :)) 19:59:07 <petern> so it's you sending me all that spam? 19:59:12 <TrueBrain> lol 19:59:17 <Ant_LV> petern, nope 19:59:38 <Ant_LV> just some emails to my automata & formal grammars teacher 19:59:55 <Prof_Frink> TrueBrain: The hard bit is calculating GPG sigs in your head. 19:59:55 <TrueBrain> we don't believe you 20:00:06 <TrueBrain> Prof_Frink: well, that is not a true problem for me 20:00:09 <TrueBrain> domainkeys are a bit more tricky 20:00:18 <TrueBrain> as then I need to think what I am going to write before-hand 20:00:19 <TrueBrain> sucks :p 20:00:24 <Ant_LV> ascii star wars suck 20:00:36 <jonty-comp> but with ipv6, it's in colour! 20:00:38 <jonty-comp> supposedly 20:01:14 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-13-27-15.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 20:01:45 <petern> god 20:01:50 <Prof_Frink> Yes? 20:01:59 <petern> i'm so glad i don't have any uucp stuff anymore 20:01:59 <TrueBrain> where is your son? 20:02:18 <Prof_Frink> In his room, playing with hammer and nails. 20:02:30 <TrueBrain> petern: I am happy for you :) 20:02:54 <petern> good 20:02:56 <petern> it was sick shit man 20:03:15 <Prof_Frink> ...how the hell did he manage to nail *both* hands to this plank of wood? 20:07:42 <TrueBrain> and how did you manage to kill this conversation? 20:07:47 <TrueBrain> it was not like we were talking about something 20:08:30 *** fran [~proudfoo@61.148.115.250] has joined #openttd 20:08:31 *** fran [~proudfoo@61.148.115.250] has left #openttd [] 20:08:39 <TrueBrain> my favorite kind of visitor 20:09:17 <jonty-comp> not quite my favourite kind 20:09:20 <jonty-comp> he didn't have ipv6 :p 20:11:12 <Belugas> so??? neither do I. Are you starting to be segregationist, mister??? 20:11:20 <TrueBrain> Belugas: expensive word 20:11:22 <TrueBrain> too many letters 20:12:06 <glx> win9x has some problems to get server list ;) 20:12:43 <glx> master.openttd.org (IPv?) sounds wrong 20:12:52 <TrueBrain> ghehe 20:13:13 <Belugas> TrueBrain,never mind, i'm not sure it's written correctly either :D 20:13:21 <TrueBrain> ;) 20:14:21 <petern> screw you guys 20:14:23 <jonty-comp> Belugas: yes! 20:14:26 <Prof_Frink> win9x has some problems. 20:14:34 <petern> i'm going to play Games -> Simulation -> OpenTTD 0.7.0 20:14:38 <jonty-comp> mostly the 'win' part of it 20:14:45 <jonty-comp> and perhaps the '9x' bit too 20:14:59 <jonty-comp> I say that this masterserver thing is not a bug. 20:15:07 <jonty-comp> From now on, OpenTTD is for IPv6ers only! 20:15:32 <glx> lol it's not the code :) 20:15:38 <glx> it's the dns in the VM 20:20:07 <petern> hmm? 20:25:41 <TrueBrain> http://www.xenocode.com/browsers/ <- useful :) 20:26:25 *** Darkvater [~tfarago@ip192-213-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 20:26:28 *** mode/#openttd [+o Darkvater] by ChanServ 20:26:51 <Xaroth> hm, where'd dihed go 20:26:52 <Darkvater> is it just me that's always getting disc'd, or is IRC not so friendly 20:27:01 <Xaroth> just you? 20:27:15 <Darkvater> donnu, find it weird that I drop and cannot reconnect 20:27:22 <Darkvater> I know my inet's alawys workin' 20:27:39 <Xaroth> hm 20:27:47 <Xaroth> note to self, pressing ctrl+s in screen != good 20:28:02 <TrueBrain> note accepted 20:28:16 <Darkvater> :) 20:28:24 <Darkvater> what does it do? don't want to try it out 20:28:30 <glx> ok win9x works (when the vm works) 20:28:54 <TrueBrain> Xaroth: in fact, it is okay, you just really need to remember the 'counter' key (ctrl + q) 20:28:59 <TrueBrain> then you will be fine :) 20:29:03 <Darkvater> glx: want a win95 image from vmware from me? 20:29:35 <glx> I have win98 in virtual pc :) 20:29:44 <Darkvater> win95 is worse :) 20:30:07 <jonty-comp> Xaroth: I hate that 20:30:12 <glx> I have win95 too :) 20:30:15 <jonty-comp> I always end up pressing S instead of A 20:30:21 <petern> note to Xaroth, pressing ctrl-q is the opposite of ctrl-s 20:30:22 <jonty-comp> then I don't know why it's frozen 20:30:31 <Ant_LV> i have all win versions from w3.0 to xp (w/o any sp) 20:30:38 <jonty-comp> it's usually easier to just reconnect 20:30:41 <TrueBrain> only useful if you have that in VMs :p 20:30:55 <TrueBrain> jonty-comp: reconnecting, or hitting ctrl+q ... what is easier ... hmm ... 20:31:01 <petern> indeed 20:31:01 <TrueBrain> weird definition of 'easier' you have :p 20:31:10 <petern> although sometimes you can mess it up 20:31:24 <jonty-comp> TrueBrain: in putty, reconnecting! 20:31:31 <petern> ctrl-a S 20:31:36 <petern> oh, that's split 20:31:37 <petern> hmm 20:31:42 <petern> ctrl-a s 20:31:48 * glx starts win95 (did not check openttd in it for a long time) 20:32:22 <Darkvater> I am a bit disappointed in openttd 20:32:31 <TrueBrain> it didn't make your breakfast? 20:32:37 <Ant_LV> putty rlz 20:32:38 <Darkvater> until now always after a release a shitload of new features got dumped in trunk :) 20:32:58 <TrueBrain> Darkvater: there is a point where there are no real ne wfeatures anymore ;) 20:33:00 <Darkvater> now all we have is widget-rewrite and network magic 20:33:09 <TrueBrain> which is kind of a suggestion towards 1.0 I guess 20:33:18 <petern> Darkvater, it's all waiting on the new map array 20:33:25 <Darkvater> TrueBrain: I think we're not there yet :) 20:33:28 <TrueBrain> LOL :) 20:33:28 <glx> now I remember why I rarely starts win95 20:33:31 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5E998.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 20:33:34 <Xaroth> something tells me this date is off http://www.openttd.org/en/server/50 20:33:37 <TrueBrain> Darkvater: if it is up to a few people, we never get there :p 20:33:44 * Darkvater cracks whip 20:33:46 <Xaroth> Current date:7874-06-17 20:33:48 <glx> vmadditions are uninstalable in it 20:34:02 <petern> why is that wrong? 20:34:09 <TrueBrain> Xaroth: you are faking a server?! :s 20:34:13 <Darkvater> TrueBrain: I know, I am not complaining :) 20:34:25 <Xaroth> TrueBrain: no 20:34:27 <Xaroth> it's a real server 20:34:35 <Darkvater> although I'm gonna kick celestar when he gets back to finish cargodest 20:34:37 <Xaroth> i was checking the code to see if i got the right data back 20:34:42 <Xaroth> so i checked it on the site to compare 20:34:46 <Darkvater> and kick SAC as well to get a move on with newobjects 20:34:46 <TrueBrain> Darkvater: good luck with that 20:34:53 <Darkvater> and kick myself for not coding newports 20:35:01 <Darkvater> and petern for newroutes 20:35:07 <Darkvater> and Sacro 20:35:13 <Darkvater> just for fun 20:35:35 <TrueBrain> @kick Darkvater I can help you with that part about kicking you ;) 20:35:35 *** Darkvater was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [I can help you with that part about kicking you ;)] 20:35:45 *** Muxy [~Muxy@smtp.bdelalande.net] has joined #openttd 20:35:48 *** Darkvater [~tfarago@ip192-213-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 20:35:52 *** mode/#openttd [+o Darkvater] by ChanServ 20:35:54 <Darkvater> I kick me, not you :) 20:36:01 <TrueBrain> DorpsGek kicked you, not me 20:36:03 <frosch123> Darkvater: still wondering why you disconnect sometimes? 20:36:12 <TrueBrain> lol @ frosch123 20:36:53 * TrueBrain starts very long process 20:36:57 * TrueBrain sees it finish 20:37:01 * TrueBrain presses 'back 20:37:07 * TrueBrain needs to start the very long process again 20:37:08 <TrueBrain> :( 20:37:41 <frosch123> you need an 'undo knob' 20:37:49 <Darkvater> aaah 20:38:07 <Darkvater> frosch123: you might be onto something there 20:38:09 *** Muxy [~Muxy@smtp.bdelalande.net] has quit [] 20:38:31 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-51-190.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:38:41 <TrueBrain> either way, Darkvater, now you are 'back' ... finish that Demo patch of yours! 20:38:42 <TrueBrain> :p 20:38:51 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 20:38:54 <Darkvater> what? bitch 20:38:56 <Darkvater> that was your patch 20:38:57 <Darkvater> ! 20:39:04 <TrueBrain> you started it 20:39:05 <TrueBrain> I extended it 20:39:12 <TrueBrain> then you extended it 20:39:16 <TrueBrain> so you were the last one to touch it! :p 20:39:17 <Prof_Frink> Yes you did, you invaded poland! 20:39:27 <Darkvater> but you see.. eh 20:39:31 <Darkvater> I touched it twice 20:39:34 <Darkvater> so now it's your turn 20:39:41 <TrueBrain> last revision I say on that patch was 2400 or so :p 20:41:17 <frosch123> sounds like you have a fair chance of catching up with HEAD due to r24000 20:41:33 <Xaroth> hm 20:41:54 <frosch123> There are 0 clients, 172 IPv4 servers and 1 IPv6 servers. <- noone plays ottd anyway 20:42:06 <TrueBrain> ghehe 20:42:06 <jonty-comp> I must be that 1! 20:42:09 * jonty-comp feels special 20:42:12 <TrueBrain> will fix that in a moment :) 20:42:28 <jonty-comp> :o 20:42:29 * Prof_Frink feels jonty-comp 20:42:50 <Xaroth> hm 20:42:57 <Xaroth> this is odd 20:43:02 <Darkvater> hmm, I need your most valuable advice channel... 20:43:11 <jonty-comp> you're in it 20:43:17 <Darkvater> should I or should I not paint the living room this weekend? 20:43:19 <frosch123> #tycoon 20:43:25 <jonty-comp> hmmm 20:43:28 <jonty-comp> a good question 20:43:31 <jonty-comp> what colour? 20:43:42 * jonty-comp consults the weather forecast and stock market data 20:43:49 <Darkvater> well... re-paint 20:44:18 <TrueBrain> no ssh key here .. well .. that will have to wait till tomorrow :) 20:44:24 <Nite_Owl> why re-paint if already painted 20:44:29 <Darkvater> stock market is evil, ING topped 20% today and I sold it before 20:44:35 <Vikthor> jonty-comp: : I would suggest green, with grid lines :) 20:44:40 <Darkvater> cause it's old paint and looks icky 20:44:57 <jonty-comp> just cover it in posters of star wars 20:45:08 <Darkvater> he 20:45:11 <jonty-comp> it's what I did with my bedroom in lieu of actually putting some new wallpaper up 20:45:20 <Nite_Owl> Ahhh - I thought you had painted it recently and were now re-painting it 20:45:25 <TrueBrain> don't know what is more expensive .. 20:45:26 <Darkvater> I'll paint it; chicks dug the smell of fresh paint :P 20:45:35 <TrueBrain> plural? 20:45:48 <Darkvater> general 20:45:55 <TrueBrain> pfw :) 20:45:56 <jonty-comp> past tense 'dug' 20:46:00 <jonty-comp> fresh paint is so 90s 20:46:11 <Darkvater> haha :) 20:46:18 <Darkvater> see ya guys 20:46:22 <TrueBrain> bye Darkvater 20:46:46 <Nite_Owl> chicks dug sniffing paint? 20:46:58 <Nite_Owl> later Darkvater 20:47:35 *** Mr_Weedy [~Mr_Weedy@host-91-145-87-218.kpylaajakaista.net] has joined #openttd 20:48:21 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejj218.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 20:48:33 <Mr_Weedy> Hello- 20:48:47 <Nite_Owl> Hello Mr_Weedy 20:49:04 <Mr_Weedy> So how things are flowing around in here? 20:49:11 <Xaroth> right, this should work. 20:49:27 <Xaroth> now to figure out how to get grf ids and their md5 hash.. equal to openttd :o 20:49:43 <Nite_Owl> things generally flow from top to bottom 20:49:48 <Mr_Weedy> ^^ 20:49:52 <jonty-comp> from high to low 20:49:56 <Mr_Weedy> So basically from good to bad. :) 20:49:59 <jonty-comp> so openttd is generally going downhill 20:50:14 <Mr_Weedy> :D 20:50:18 <Prof_Frink> Nite_Owl: Or from high pressure to low pressure. 20:50:37 <Mr_Weedy> Still a bad thing if you try to move with that pressure. :) 20:50:52 <Nite_Owl> the joys of fluid dynamics 20:50:56 <Mr_Weedy> ^^ 20:51:25 <Mr_Weedy> Anyway, was bored and thought that I'll check this out because I have started to play OpenTTD again. 20:51:33 <Mr_Weedy> First install since 0.5.3. 20:51:41 <Prof_Frink> OpenTTD? What's that then? 20:51:42 *** Patrick` [~quassel@mikearthur.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:51:43 *** mode/#openttd [+v Patrick`] by ChanServ 20:51:43 <Xaroth> but first, dota :o 20:52:06 <Mr_Weedy> Oh yeah, I had a question too. Where are the new industries? 20:52:13 <Patrick`> I'm slowly going insane trying to build a load balancer 20:52:17 <Mr_Weedy> Are they on that... not first terrain type`? 20:52:27 <Patrick`> using train logic to flip-flop between signal choice 20:52:43 <Patrick`> can't we just code a teensy little bit of load balancing into the pathfinder? 20:52:54 <Patrick`> say, penalise a line for having red signals on it? 20:53:06 <Mr_Weedy> Lol. 20:53:31 <Patrick`> the inner and outer tracks are maybe 998 and 999 tiles distance to the coal plant, so of course all the trains go thundering down the one that's 1 tile faster 20:53:34 <Patrick`> making a massive jam 20:53:43 <Nite_Owl> new industries (as in ECS or PBI) are only available via NewGrfs 20:53:57 <Mr_Weedy> Patrick. Make those lines one way only. 20:53:57 <jonty-comp> Mr_Weedy: the new industries are in the ingame content download system! 20:54:05 <Patrick`> but if red signals had a pathfinder penalty, the more congested line would be +50% penalty and the less congesed would be 25% 20:54:10 <Mr_Weedy> I CAN'T ACCESS IT. :( 20:54:14 <Mr_Weedy> I mean it doesn't work. 20:54:14 <jonty-comp> :o 20:54:15 <Patrick`> Mr_Weedy: 2 tracks in each direction 20:54:39 *** UFO64 [~jmurray@141.114.217.153] has joined #openttd 20:54:41 <Patrick`> actually ... does yapf do this already? 20:55:30 <Mr_Weedy> Ah now it works. 20:55:45 <Nite_Owl> fiddle with the red signal penalty's in the console - at your own peril of course 20:55:56 <Patrick`> ooh, it's settable by the user? 20:55:59 <Patrick`> nice. 20:56:04 <Nite_Owl> *penalties 20:56:18 <petern> hurr hurr you said penal ties 20:56:26 <Patrick`> too high and they'll go the wrong way around the main loop :D 20:56:29 <Mr_Weedy> Nite, what the new industries are called in the ingame browser? 20:56:52 <Nite_Owl> either ECS or PBI 20:57:26 <Mr_Weedy> Ok- 20:57:32 <Nite_Owl> I would suggest you read up on them before using them as they can get quite complicated 20:58:05 *** Ant_LV [Ant_LV@87.110.124.23] has quit [] 20:58:41 <Mr_Weedy> What's basic vector industry? :P 20:58:56 <Nite_Owl> read 20:59:12 <Mr_Weedy> :( I can't copy the in-game link. 20:59:23 <jonty-comp> that is a problem I've noticed 20:59:32 <jonty-comp> you can access them directly at bananas.openttd.org 21:03:25 <Mr_Weedy> Sooo... 21:03:36 <Mr_Weedy> These ECSes just replace industry and not add it? 21:03:44 <Mr_Weedy> As in totally new industries? 21:05:28 <Nite_Owl> I am fairly sure they replace the original industries 21:05:58 <Mr_Weedy> Ok. 21:06:02 <Mr_Weedy> Lame. :( 21:06:12 <Mr_Weedy> I wanted to see MORE industries. Not current ones getting replaced. 21:06:32 *** UFO64 [~jmurray@141.114.217.153] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:07:35 <TrueBrain> devs.openttd.org/~truebrain/OpenTTD%200.7.0%20-%20Xenocode.exe <- single click run OpenTTD application :p 21:07:42 <TrueBrain> "just because I can" :p 21:07:49 <TrueBrain> (has OpenGFX btw) 21:07:56 <TrueBrain> http://devs.openttd.org/~truebrain/OpenTTD%200.7.0%20-%20Xenocode.exe <- single click run OpenTTD application :p 21:07:57 <TrueBrain> :p 21:08:01 <TrueBrain> in theory you can embed this in a webpage 21:08:04 <TrueBrain> just it costs 1600 dollar 21:08:07 <petern> Xenocode? 21:08:15 <Belugas> Mr_Weedy: you could eventually write your own grf for that. If you dare. Otherwise, it's basically using what others have done foryou 21:08:39 <TrueBrain> petern: yeah .. they have something very useful: http://www.xenocode.com/browsers/ 21:09:33 <jonty-comp> TrueBrain: pfft, thinstall is better 21:09:40 <jonty-comp> or thinapp or whatever it's called now 21:09:50 <TrueBrain> jonty-comp: 'better' .. lol :) 21:09:56 <TrueBrain> there is not really a 'better' :p 21:10:11 <TrueBrain> (as you can't make it any 'better' than a single click that starts an application :p) 21:10:16 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db023eb.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Quit: 8ng] 21:10:38 <jonty-comp> that embed-in-webpage thing just uses some proprietary browser plugin anyway :p 21:10:45 <TrueBrain> jonty-comp: yup 21:10:49 <Nite_Owl> ECS and PBI replace the originals with its own versions AND adds even more on top of those it replaces 21:10:50 <TrueBrain> and ThinApp is exactly the same 21:11:12 <Mr_Weedy> Belugas are you saying that there isn't yet a grf which would add more industries as in adding instead of replacing current ones? 21:11:14 <jonty-comp> do they have an embed in webpage plugin too? :o 21:11:33 <Mr_Weedy> Nite owl I see. 21:11:54 <Belugas> Mr_Weedy, basically ECS replaces them all 21:12:00 <Mr_Weedy> :P 21:12:05 <Belugas> Pikka's work is adding more 21:12:32 <Belugas> note that he does replaces some too 21:12:36 <Mr_Weedy> Anyway, are there any necessary downloads which I need? For example this "Fix TTD grf bugs" sounds quite important but I'm not sure do I need it. 21:12:55 <petern> no 21:12:59 <petern> you don't need any 21:13:16 <Belugas> Fix TTD grf bugs? no... it's all in the exe and according data 21:13:18 <jonty-comp> they're all quite good though 21:13:24 <jonty-comp> except that hover bus is a bit random 21:14:07 <Mr_Weedy> :) 21:15:26 <Rubidium> Mr_Weedy: it is TOTALLY and UTTERLY unneeded (because all fixes in that GRF are in OpenTTD's base graphics) 21:15:48 <jonty-comp> perhaps someone should remove it from bananas then? 21:16:26 *** pavel1269 [~quassel@r2ao16.net.upc.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:17:51 <Mr_Weedy> Alright I see. 21:18:22 *** Skiddles [~notme@cm114.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: orudge] 21:19:32 *** Roujin [~chatzilla@mnch-5d861ea0.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 21:20:20 <petern> I DO NOT WANT THIS 21:20:39 <TrueBrain> poor petern 21:20:42 <Nite_Owl> you could also try the openttdcoop grf pack as it is fairly comprehensive - there is also GrfCrawler if you like to do things ala carte 21:21:08 <Mr_Weedy> ala carte? :P 21:21:29 <Nite_Owl> piece by piece 21:21:52 <Mr_Weedy> I see. 21:22:14 <Mr_Weedy> What's so special in the crawler? 21:22:16 <petern> only on Nite_Owl-language 21:22:21 <petern> *in 21:22:50 <Nite_Owl> I was simplifying 21:22:55 <Belugas> Mr_Weedy, the only way to find out is to look by yourself 21:23:10 <Belugas> but beware... it might swallow you in one piece! 21:23:12 <Belugas> Poooof!!! 21:23:17 <Mr_Weedy> :P 21:23:17 <Belugas> no more weed! 21:23:20 <Mr_Weedy> Meh. 21:23:29 <Mr_Weedy> Basically tell me why I should get it. 21:23:31 <Mr_Weedy> What's good in it. 21:23:35 <Mr_Weedy> What do you do in it? 21:23:44 <Belugas> mmmh... for a guy with a nick like this one, i'm surprised to see you not that adventurous 21:23:46 <Mr_Weedy> How it differs from normal ottd? 21:23:58 <Belugas> you know waht is a grf? 21:24:00 <petern> also it's "à la carte" 21:24:04 <Mr_Weedy> ^^ It means totally different thing you know. 21:24:27 <Mr_Weedy> Basically I do. 21:24:28 <Belugas> # Everybody MUST GET STONED 21:24:29 <Mr_Weedy> Know. 21:24:37 <Nite_Owl> http://grfcrawler.tt-forums.net/ 21:24:45 <Mr_Weedy> Ah thanks. 21:24:47 <petern> opposite of mr muscle 21:24:47 <Belugas> grf crawler is a database for grfs 21:24:55 <petern> (poor mr muscle, he is no more) 21:25:05 <Prof_Frink> Belugas: Jehova! 21:25:12 <Belugas> ? 21:25:13 <petern> bless you 21:25:15 <Belugas> DYLAN! 21:27:03 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16004 /trunk/src/network/core/address.cpp: -Fix (r16000): explicitly binding to an IPv4 socket would try to register an IPv6 address (only if it could ofcourse) 21:34:01 *** PhoenixII [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 21:34:07 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:36:31 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16005 /trunk/src/network/core/address.cpp: -Fix: assertion when there is no last joined server; when you've got an unresolved address, the hostname cannot be resolved either so return it as-is. 21:36:50 <TrueBrain> Vista knows how to hide tunnels very well.......... :( 21:38:57 <glx> what? 21:39:13 <TrueBrain> I install a tunnel network driver 21:39:20 <TrueBrain> and the uninstall doesn't work 21:39:21 <glx> ipconfig /all 21:39:26 <TrueBrain> neither can I find anywhere where to deinstall ... 21:39:53 <glx> it should list the tunnel 21:40:26 <TrueBrain> .... yes, dear glx, it does :) Now ... I want to remove it .. or disable it .. or configure it ... :( 21:41:31 <Mr_Weedy> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=27993 Is that good set and worth downloading? 21:42:24 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has quit [Quit: Bitches.] 21:42:30 <glx> TrueBrain: maybe it's a service 21:42:33 <Mr_Weedy> Or is it already included in 0.7.0`? 21:42:37 <TrueBrain> glx: couldn't find it ... 21:42:47 <TrueBrain> I guess I just need to reboot :s 21:43:20 <Nite_Owl> no NewGrf's are included in Openttd 21:43:38 <glx> check hardware manager (just in case) 21:43:57 <Mr_Weedy> Ok. 21:43:58 <TrueBrain> did, nothing 21:44:02 <TrueBrain> (first place I looked) 21:44:08 <Nite_Owl> That is a good plane set but that is just my opinion 21:44:24 <TrueBrain> somehow it knows my tunnel data, as it can connect to IPv6, while all applications which do that are off ... ghehe :) 21:44:50 <glx> it's a 6to4 tunnel? 21:44:53 <TrueBrain> yup 21:45:05 <glx> windows has a service for that 21:45:29 <TrueBrain> where? 21:45:32 <Ammler> [23:43] <Nite_Owl> no NewGrf's are included in Openttd <-- openttd[d|w].grf ;-) 21:45:43 <glx> Service d'application d'assistance IPv6 <-- french name 21:46:18 <glx> I stopped it as I have native ipv6 21:46:24 <Belugas> smart ass, Ammler... 21:46:35 <Ammler> :-D 21:46:47 <Ammler> well and all bananas grfs 21:46:51 <Nite_Owl> well that is a technicality Ammler 21:47:23 <TrueBrain> glx: I don't appear to have it 21:47:27 <Belugas> Mr_Weedy, you cannot mistake yourself: if it comes from mister Pikka, it OK 21:47:30 <Nite_Owl> along with generic trams grf, signals grf, etc. 21:47:41 <TrueBrain> "IP Helper" 21:47:43 <TrueBrain> omg .. 21:48:11 <Ammler> well, pikkas grfs are awesome 21:48:14 <Mr_Weedy> Ok so it isn't included in 0.7.0? 21:48:20 <glx> yeah they use "explicit" names sometimes :) 21:48:35 <TrueBrain> tnx glx 21:48:36 <glx> very hard to find the right service 21:48:49 <TrueBrain> under windows, my SixXS tunnels works 21:48:52 <TrueBrain> under debian, it fails 21:49:10 <Ammler> Mr_Weedy: you can download pikkas grf with ingame content downloader 21:49:13 *** Roujin_ [~chatzilla@mnch-5d861ea0.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 21:50:06 *** Roujin_ [~chatzilla@mnch-5d861ea0.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [] 21:50:25 <Mr_Weedy> I know that. ^^ 21:50:31 <Rubidium> Mr_Weedy: what you are asking is like asking "is a pedestrian included in that pedestrian bridge?". The bridge supports the pedestrian, but doesn't come with it. The same way OpenTTD (likely) supports that NewGRF but is doesn't come with it. 21:50:50 <Ammler> lol, and why do you ask? 21:51:14 <Ammler> I know only one grf there already included 21:52:01 *** EoD [~EoD@pD9EEF881.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:52:08 <EoD> re 21:52:09 <Mr_Weedy> Because I haven't played the new 0.7.0 version so much that I could have had money to build a airport and see are there zeppelins and other new aircrafts in. ^^ 21:53:06 <Ammler> Rubidium: the "grf bugs" grf of addi is quite useless ;-) 21:53:15 <Mr_Weedy> When I played OTTD last time it was 0.5.3 version. 21:53:38 <EoD> 0.5.3... this was "some" time ago ;) 21:53:43 <Xaroth> quite :o 21:54:19 *** Roujin [~chatzilla@mnch-5d861ea0.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:54:37 <Mr_Weedy> I know. ^^ 21:56:27 <Mr_Weedy> Anyway. I'll start playing it now. :) 21:56:35 <Mr_Weedy> Thanks for your help it was nice to chat with you. 21:56:41 <Mr_Weedy> Bye people. 21:56:47 *** Mr_Weedy [~Mr_Weedy@host-91-145-87-218.kpylaajakaista.net] has left #openttd [] 21:58:52 <Xaroth> hrnf 22:00:49 <Xaroth> this is goign to be awkward trying to get to work o_O 22:05:43 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:07:30 <Patrick`> ooh 22:07:37 <Patrick`> the yapf settings are just what I want 22:07:44 <Patrick`> go for maybe 100 signal lookaheads 22:10:14 <taisteluorava> hey, i have 2 route option's, In picture there is route 1, and route 2. When i feed on middle stations, which route will get more payment, or its equal. Here is picture http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/4229/routeoption.png 22:10:50 <Rubidium> the shortest 22:10:56 <Xaroth> 1, it's shorter 22:10:59 <Xaroth> as such, faster 22:11:11 <Rubidium> or actually, the fastest ;) 22:11:15 <Xaroth> profit is related to distance between start and end, and time taken 22:11:52 <taisteluorava> lets say distances are equal on both stations 22:11:59 <Xaroth> whichever is faster 22:12:03 <Nite_Owl> short feeder - long final destination 22:12:04 <planetmaker> you should note, that time is not a linear factor in the profit equation ;) 22:12:05 <Xaroth> speed == profit 22:12:24 <taisteluorava> so does not feed have any effect to final payment? 22:12:33 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8079A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 22:12:36 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 22:13:03 <frosch123> hmm, have there never been steam multiple units... 22:13:04 <taisteluorava> i mean in in route 1, feed distance is way shorter 22:13:05 <planetmaker> taisteluorava: in principle: no. But actually you'll usually be slower as you need to unload and load the cargo at least twice instead of once 22:13:38 <taisteluorava> but idea is to make 1 huge feed station to coal 22:14:00 <taisteluorava> i need to know is more important have long feed distance, or long final distance 22:14:02 <planetmaker> then make the feeder station where most stations have shortest route to. 22:14:08 <Xaroth> taisteluorava: you should check some of the savegames they used at coop 22:14:58 <taisteluorava> so its better to keep start <-> feed short, and feed <-> final long as possible? 22:15:06 <Ammler> frosch123: 2cc? :-) 22:15:17 <Nite_Owl> yes 22:15:34 <frosch123> :) exactly 22:17:25 <taisteluorava> so if route 1 and 2 lenght are equal, route 1 still make more profit beacose feed <-> final is longer 22:17:55 <taisteluorava> "because 22:18:58 <taisteluorava> can some approve that? 22:19:02 <Rubidium> taisteluorava: that's wrong 22:19:03 <Yexo> taisteluorava: no, for the final profit it doesn't matter 22:19:25 <taisteluorava> so profit is exactly same? 22:19:27 <Yexo> it's only that it's easier to manage because you need less feeder trains if the distance start<>feeder is short 22:19:29 <Yexo> yes 22:19:32 <Rubidium> well, lets decouple profit and income 22:19:38 <Rubidium> you mean income, right? 22:19:41 <taisteluorava> yeah 22:19:42 <Yexo> profit depends on distance start<>final and the time it took 22:19:45 <taisteluorava> income i mean 22:19:46 <Rubidium> profit = income - expenses 22:20:10 <Rubidium> the income will be the same regardless of the location of the feeder station 22:20:30 <Yexo> reed income in the places I wrote profit :p 22:20:48 <Rubidium> the profit might differ based on the used engines, train lengths and such 22:21:04 <taisteluorava> yeah 22:21:24 *** NightKhaos [~nightkhao@78-86-111-126.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:21:26 <taisteluorava> so its better to have shorter feed routes, and then long feed<>final 22:21:51 <Rubidium> again, depends on the used vehicles 22:21:55 *** phidah [~phidah@0x5733a2bb.bynxx19.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: phidah] 22:21:57 <Rubidium> and lengths and such 22:22:15 <taisteluorava> feed stations have short trains, and feed<>final have very long 22:22:31 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C883.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:22:47 <taisteluorava> start<>feed trains lenght is 10, and feed<>final is 32 22:23:20 <Xaroth> ugh reading grfs is a pain :/ 22:24:06 <Ammler> grf2html 22:24:11 *** murr4y_ [murray@2001:470:1f0a:1be::42] has joined #openttd 22:24:33 *** weltende [welterde@gandalf.srv.welterde.de] has joined #openttd 22:24:50 <frosch123> just wanted to say that, but then wondered that that statement might stay true nevertheless 22:25:12 <Xaroth> Ammler: hm, i'll check that 22:25:21 *** const86 [const@tower.mimas.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:25:34 *** murr4y [murray@2001:470:1f0a:1be::42] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:26:01 *** welterde [welterde@gandalf.srv.welterde.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:26:07 <Xaroth> ugh pascal 22:27:00 <frosch123> yeah, and it uses virtual class functions, a feature that c++ lacks 22:27:40 <Xaroth> I don't care what it uses, as long as it can tell me the quick (maybe even dirty) way of getting a grf file's grfid 22:28:06 *** weltende is now known as welterde 22:28:06 *** welterde [welterde@gandalf.srv.welterde.de] has quit [] 22:28:26 <frosch123> ask TrueBrain to give you petern's program for doing that (which runs on bananas) 22:29:16 *** murr4y_ [murray@2001:470:1f0a:1be::42] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:29:48 <TrueBrain> http://devs.openttd.org/~truebrain/grfid.c 22:29:55 <taisteluorava> Got one more question. When "Start" town feed a "feed" town, will those passangers get a distance payment from "start<>end", or "feed<>end" http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/8821/route2.png 22:30:07 *** murr4y [murray@2001:470:1f0a:1be::42] has joined #openttd 22:30:15 <frosch123> see Xaroth, it can be so easy :) 22:30:27 <Xaroth> frosch123: yes, if you know the people :) 22:30:30 <Xaroth> cheers TB :) 22:31:18 <Nite_Owl> there is no real reason to feeder passengers between towns 22:31:50 *** welterde [welterde@gandalf.srv.welterde.de] has joined #openttd 22:32:04 <taisteluorava> so "start" town passengers get a payment only from "start<>end" distance? 22:32:44 <taisteluorava> this is just a example to understand that ^^ 22:34:01 <Nite_Owl> without specific cargo destinations any passengers from one town will be accepted by any other town 22:34:41 <Ammler> how do you change the name of a grf in bananas? 22:35:14 <welshdragon> Nite_Owl: but there is nobody now developing cargodest :( 22:36:22 <Nite_Owl> true 22:36:55 <Ammler> isn't there a new thread about? 22:37:11 <welshdragon> yes 22:38:08 <welshdragon> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=41992 22:38:12 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r16006 /trunk/src/core/random_func.hpp: -Fix (r0): Chance16() did not work for b = 1. Also transform the formula to not use divisions. 22:38:42 <glx> TrueBrain: compile farm failed to start ? 22:39:18 <TrueBrain> glx: why? 22:39:47 <glx> no trace of nightly on .notice nor on binaries 22:39:58 <Xaroth> bah, silly C# 22:39:59 <frosch123> it was during the oom phase 22:40:02 <Xaroth> Error1Operator '&&' cannot be applied to operands of type 'uint' and 'uint' 22:40:09 <TrueBrain> frosch123 wins a price 22:40:20 <Xaroth> it's booleans stupid compiler 22:40:22 <TrueBrain> any reason to trigger a compile now? Or should I just let it go tomorrow? 22:40:30 <glx> ipv6 ;) 22:41:26 <TrueBrain> triggered 22:43:31 <SmatZ> http://devs.openttd.org/~smatz/bench/ if anyone interested in stats :-D 22:44:22 <EoD> what's that about? 22:44:37 <SmatZ> time to compile OTTD and size of compiled binary 22:44:40 <SmatZ> also size of sources... 22:45:06 <EoD> ah, ok 22:45:22 <frosch123> I can see noai and nwidgets :) 22:45:39 <SmatZ> hehe 22:46:14 <SmatZ> also, making oldpool a class :) 22:46:29 <SmatZ> (r10000 - r11000 I think) 22:51:24 <Xaroth> hm 22:51:58 <Xaroth> uint8_t type, if(type & 2) ... in C# it won't accept that one bit 22:55:02 <Sacro> i do love csharp 22:55:20 <SmatZ> you better not love csharp 22:55:42 <Xaroth> it's useful 22:55:47 <Xaroth> but it bitches and moans about the most stupid things 22:56:18 <SmatZ> you better not love x86 asm and ISO C 22:56:22 <SmatZ> errr -not 22:56:26 <SmatZ> sleepy time I guess :-x 22:57:07 <goodger> c# has the same intentions of java, but implemented by microsoft, and thus even worse than java, which is already atrocious 22:57:36 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590c3b86.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:57:56 * EoD agrees... 22:58:01 <SmatZ> even worse than java? :-) 22:58:04 <Sacro> SmatZ: m68k asm is better 22:58:06 <Xaroth> oooOOOOoooo workage 22:58:39 <Xaroth> cheers again, TrueBrain :) 22:59:02 <TrueBrain> :) 22:59:44 <Xaroth> now let's hope the MD5 hash is as straightforward as I expect it to be. 23:01:42 <Patrick`> holy crap, a download manager 23:02:22 <orudge> :) 23:02:23 <Patrick`> !password 23:02:27 <Patrick`> gah 23:02:40 <Patrick`> man, I remember when you guys coded maps bigger than 256 23:02:50 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-224-92.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:02:51 <SmatZ> surprisingly, entering "holy crap" in google image search didn't return images I expected 23:02:51 <Patrick`> now you got a giant central list of scenarios and european height maps 23:03:12 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Quit: AS A VAGINA ONCE SAID: <yorick> SOMEONE BAN HIM] 23:07:56 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g230227128.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 23:09:46 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:10:06 <Patrick`> and no britain, you racist bastards 23:10:06 *** Audigex [~audigex@89.240.179.150] has joined #openttd 23:10:14 <Patrick`> is this on some central server somewhere or is it magic? 23:10:24 <Patrick`> i.e. is it like 1/10 of the material out there 23:10:42 <Xaroth> hm, the newgrf ID the server gives back isn't the 'pure' newgrfid o_O 23:10:55 <Xaroth> or vice versa with what the client shows 23:17:09 <glx> @whoami 23:17:09 <DorpsGek> glx: I don't recognize you. 23:17:13 <glx> stupid bot 23:23:14 <SmatZ> [01:21:04] <DorpsGek> CompileFarm: nightly (r16006) completed. 23:23:16 <SmatZ> hahahaaahaha 23:23:31 <SmatZ> is the compile farm run over night now>? 23:24:14 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 23:24:33 <glx> not really ;) 23:24:44 <glx> @whoami 23:24:44 <DorpsGek> glx: glx 23:24:47 <glx> better 23:25:01 <glx> I forgot to give it my new hostmask 23:25:18 <SmatZ> :o) 23:25:36 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 23:25:38 <Nite_Owl> and the purpose of that is ? 23:25:55 <glx> say !password :) 23:26:16 <Nite_Owl> I do not want to get dumped 23:26:32 <Nite_Owl> but now I understand 23:26:44 <SmatZ> @whoami 23:26:44 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: SmatZ 23:26:50 <glx> if the bot doesn't know me I can't command it 23:28:55 <glx> SmatZ: [00:41:37] <True.Brain> triggered 23:30:37 <Sacro> @whoami 23:30:37 <DorpsGek> Sacro: I don't recognize you. 23:30:40 <Sacro> pfft 23:30:43 <Sacro> @whoareyou 23:31:29 <DorpsGek> Sacro: DorpsGek 23:32:19 <Sacro> :D 23:32:26 <glx> nice one 23:32:34 <SmatZ> :o) 23:39:13 *** NightKhaos [~nightkhao@78-86-111-126.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 23:53:20 <Nite_Owl> feeding time - later all 23:53:23 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-51-190.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 23:54:01 <welshdragon> @whois gay 23:54:21 <TrueBrain> @kick welshdragon you 23:54:21 *** welshdragon was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [you] 23:54:25 *** welshdragon [~welshdrag@80.247.163.137] has joined #openttd 23:54:58 <welshdragon> that wasn't discreet TrueBrain 23:56:10 *** Pikka [~PikkaBird@CPE-58-169-176-162.qld.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd