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Tnx :) 08:55:07 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 09:01:07 <planetmaker> he... the "last changed strings" is noticably slower than the other categories. 09:01:25 <TrueBrain> yup 09:01:30 <TrueBrain> don't use it too much ;) 09:01:37 <TrueBrain> (it is a hell to calculate next/prev 09:01:39 <petern> indexes! 09:01:46 <petern> also, sensible database 09:01:49 <petern> like, say, postgresql 09:02:04 <TrueBrain> I think I need to extend my ignore list :p 09:02:26 <TrueBrain> either way, everything is indexes for lineair listing, not time-based listing .. so it is slower :) 09:03:01 <petern> linux > windows, lighttpd > apache, postgresql > mysql, perl > php! 09:03:31 <TrueBrain> perl over php? Haha :) You _are_ insane :p 09:04:11 <dihedral> oh my 09:04:15 <petern> well 09:04:21 <petern> for scripts, maybe not web :) 09:04:36 <TrueBrain> for scripts, I agree, but to use php for scripts is like the worst idea :) 09:04:39 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: even the factorial of php ;) 09:04:49 <petern> asp.net > php 09:05:01 <TrueBrain> WHAT? It is getting insaner by the minute :) 09:05:05 <TrueBrain> ASP with its: on error resume next; 09:05:07 <TrueBrain> no tnx :) 09:05:10 <petern> asp.net 09:05:12 <petern> not asp 09:05:17 <TrueBrain> still ;) 09:05:18 <dihedral> ^^ 09:05:23 * dihedral hates asp 09:05:26 <petern> asp.net 09:05:27 <petern> not asp 09:05:40 <TrueBrain> mostly because it is created/sold by MicroSoft :) 09:05:49 <petern> ms don't sell mono :D 09:06:05 <TrueBrain> there is still a debate going on if mono is legal :p 09:06:30 <Rubidium> let Microsoft first show that they are capable of implementing a standard... 09:06:56 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: no, you see that wrong; microsoft doesn't have to implement a standard, they ARE the standard 09:06:56 <Rubidium> ... like their own xml-office-document formats 09:07:02 <TrueBrain> so everyone needs to do it THEIR way 09:07:13 <TrueBrain> and if the documentation doesn't agree, the documentation is wrong, not them! 09:07:30 <dihedral> hehe 09:09:51 <dihedral> someone today said, people who use java cannot consider it 'programming'... when i asked why, he said java sucks - he likes perl :-P 09:09:53 <dihedral> ^^ 09:11:10 <SpComb> petern: except lighttpd is stagnating 09:11:41 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 09:11:45 <TrueBrain> cherokee is already trying to fill in the place of lighttpd :) 09:12:00 <SHADOW-XIII> dont tell me about java 09:12:22 <SHADOW-XIII> jave to write db app on website with tomcat for tomorrow from scratch ... 09:12:27 *** mikl [~mikl@90.184.195.240] has quit [Quit: mikl] 09:14:30 <petern> SpComb, "stagnating" means it does what most people want 09:14:45 <petern> so they feel no need to change thing 09:14:46 <petern> +s 09:14:49 <TrueBrain> petern: far from it :( 09:14:53 <petern> then people decide it's dead 09:15:01 <petern> and therefore must write a new system from scratcxh 09:15:05 <SpComb> indeed 09:15:11 * SpComb starts right away 09:15:23 <TrueBrain> lighttpd development is stalled because the main developer start working on other things 09:15:36 <TrueBrain> while there is a bug-log which is longer than OpenTTD's ..... 09:16:27 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:16:37 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 09:17:33 <Rexxars> well, if he isn't getting paid to keep working on it, and doesn't think it's fun anymore, why should he keep working on it? 09:17:44 <TrueBrain> Rexxars: nobody said he should :) 09:17:49 <Rexxars> true :) 09:17:51 <SpComb> lighttpd has plenty of users 09:17:51 <TrueBrain> it is just said development stalls because of it :) 09:19:13 <TrueBrain> slowly there starts to be a bit of development .... 09:19:16 <TrueBrain> very slowly :p 09:20:57 <petern> http://redmine.lighttpd.net/projects/lighttpd/activity?show_changesets=1&with_subprojects=1&with_subprojects=0 09:21:01 <petern> ^ dead? 09:21:21 <petern> hmm, not quite the link :p 09:21:33 <petern> click previous twice 09:21:49 <petern> it goes from r2430 to r2465 in a day :p 09:22:03 <TrueBrain> as I said, slowly there starts to be a bit of development ;) 09:30:28 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.174.88] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:30:48 <SHADOW-XIII> hilarious ... judge in piratebay case is normally lobbing for authoring rights ... 09:31:09 <SHADOW-XIII> case will go down asap, rofl 09:32:20 <petern> well 09:32:21 <petern> maybe 09:43:52 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 09:44:22 <SpComb> from a cynical viewpoint, I could well see it not being invalidated 09:48:38 *** ecke [~ecke@pc155-206.upce.cz] has joined #openttd 09:50:09 *** Pikka [~PikkaBird@CPE-124-187-66-158.qld.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 09:52:54 *** ecke [~ecke@pc155-206.upce.cz] has quit [] 10:00:23 *** Vikthor [~novotv6@pc404-28.feld.cvut.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:05:48 *** fjb_ [~frank@p5485F282.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:09:12 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAAc9a8.baa.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 10:16:01 * Rubidium just wonders when google/microsoft will be sued 10:16:54 <Rubidium> (or apple) as they provide the tools to acquire the tools to download illegal content and provide the tools to search for illegal content 10:19:10 <Gekz> haha 10:19:22 <Gekz> Rubidium: kickbacks 10:39:43 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 10:39:43 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:39:47 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 10:44:09 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051178222.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 10:47:18 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 10:47:30 *** Rakin [~zaerz_ahm@220.247.162.34] has joined #openttd 10:48:09 <Rakin> my openttd's ai always crsh 10:48:25 <Rakin> n my openttd's ai always clash 10:49:03 <Yexo> now what's the problem? That they crash, that they clash, or both? 10:49:45 <Rakin> both 10:50:20 <Yexo> you can report the crashes http://www.tt-forums.net/viewforum.php?f=65 and hope the AI authors fix them 10:50:30 <Yexo> about clashing, the best you can do is usnig as many different AIs as possible 10:51:31 *** Rakin [~zaerz_ahm@220.247.162.34] has left #openttd [] 10:51:43 <TrueBrain> well, you are very welcome :s 10:51:46 <TrueBrain> rude .. 10:52:12 <Yexo> after my first reaction he started a pm "my openttd's ai always crash", "plz help" 10:52:45 <planetmaker> meh... 10:53:10 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:53:31 <planetmaker> no persistance, no effort... :S 10:59:53 *** reldred [~richard@115.131.212.59] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 11:07:29 *** RakinX [~zaerz_ahm@220.247.162.34] has joined #openttd 11:08:01 <RakinX> where can i get openttd 0.6.3 11:08:41 <RakinX> plz help 11:09:57 <Rubidium> openttd.org/download-stable/0.6.3 ? 11:10:12 *** RakinX [~zaerz_ahm@220.247.162.34] has left #openttd [] 11:10:28 <TrueBrain> I wonder how many times he will be coming back 11:10:51 * SHADOW-XIII hates tomcat & jsp 11:11:09 <TrueBrain> # Fuck you, Fuck you very much 11:11:12 <Rubidium> SHADOW-XIII: use bobcat & jeta 11:11:14 <SHADOW-XIII> if only I could find somebody to do this instead of me for money :P 11:11:34 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!*@220.247.162.34] by petern 11:11:34 <petern> never :p 11:11:44 <TrueBrain> petern: I was considernig that action too ... :p 11:13:15 *** pavel1269 [~quassel@r2ao16.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 11:14:48 * Pikka bans petern 11:15:42 *** reldred [~richard@115.131.202.28] has joined #openttd 11:15:52 <petern> :( 11:16:04 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!*@220.247.162.34] by petern 11:16:25 <SHADOW-XIII> Rubidium : tell that to my tutor 11:22:52 *** SHADOW_XIII [~Miranda@78.151.89.239] has joined #openttd 11:24:47 *** SHADOW-XIII [~Miranda@78.146.221.168] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:25:40 <SHADOW_XIII> bye SHADOW-XIII 11:25:46 *** SHADOW_XIII is now known as SHADOW-XIII 11:28:17 <SHADOW-XIII> sic, I knew I got bad connection but 30 sec lag is a bit too much ! 11:30:19 <SHADOW-XIII> that's interesting ... american army lost probes with dangerous virus ... 11:30:47 <SHADOW-XIII> and that's real news .... now 100$ question: "which game was starting like that ?" 11:31:13 <TrueBrain> I doubt you will really pay me the 100$, so I refuse to answer 11:32:38 <SHADOW-XIII> for free then :) 11:36:06 <SHADOW-XIII> there's still small bug in nighties: refit window, text of cost of refitting is trimmed so early it is not visible ... anyone want to submit the bug ? 11:36:43 <TrueBrain> how lazy can you be .. 11:36:49 <TrueBrain> you can write down the bug here, but don't want to submit the bug? 11:40:46 <Yexo> it's already there: FS#2846 11:50:09 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:e59c:db2f:642d:9e6e] has joined #openttd 11:50:12 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 11:55:35 <SHADOW-XIII> TrueBrain : I suppose bugtracker needs registration, isnt it ? 11:55:47 <glx> true 11:55:58 <TrueBrain> the fact that you ask makes you one terrible OpenTTD user ;) 11:56:22 <glx> registration is to help communication 11:56:35 <dihedral> oi 11:56:37 <reldred> Wait, what, SHADOW-XIII playing OpenTTD? What the hell happened over the last few months I was away? 11:56:45 <reldred> I'm utterly fucking confused... 11:57:26 <SHADOW-XIII> well, ottd incorporated things that was lacking the most 11:57:33 <glx> like pbs? 11:57:42 <reldred> Yeah, everyone turns over to the darkside in the end. 11:57:48 <reldred> Even me 11:58:07 <reldred> No matter how much OpenTTD lacks a 'soul' 11:58:07 <reldred> :P 11:58:31 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.174.88] has joined #openttd 11:59:47 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.20.109.124] has joined #openttd 12:00:18 *** Klanticus [~quassel@143.107.181.10] has joined #openttd 12:02:51 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm15.epsilon180.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 12:03:18 <SHADOW-XIII> pbs, grfs and more, it still lacks a lof of things should be there, like rail vertical/horizontal up/down the hill 12:05:09 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has joined #openttd 12:05:26 <dihedral> ... 12:06:16 <reldred> very true, the lack of that pisses me off, but I ended up just getting used to the new rail multi-drag-drop-doodad 12:06:33 <reldred> Autoslope was the major blocker for me for a long time 12:06:50 <reldred> The lack of the programable signals annoys me as well 12:07:16 <Yexo> try a recent nighly and you can drag horizontal/vertical rails too 12:08:18 <reldred> Ooooh lovely 12:08:55 <planetmaker> oh, that was that :) I wondered whether it was only code cosmetics :) 12:13:42 <Rubidium> no, it was only 'looks' ;) 12:13:53 <pavel1269> Yexo: i thought, that this feature is there since i started to play .... like r8K or sth 12:13:57 <SHADOW-XIII> Yexo: I mean up/down the hill as well 12:14:08 <Yexo> SHADOW-XIII: I know, but reldred did not mean that 12:14:19 <SHADOW-XIII> now you can lay the rail up or down in / or \ directrions, not in | or - 12:14:39 <Yexo> pavel1269: no, only diagonal rails could be dragged. With autorail you could/can drag all directions though 12:15:10 <pavel1269> ahhh this .... I use only autorail so ... shortcup "a" ftw :-P 12:15:43 <SHADOW-XIII> and all setting/options thing is complete mess, grf settings, options, advanced settings, ai settings, transparency options 12:16:14 <Yexo> you forget the difficulty settings :p 12:16:28 <Rubidium> SHADOW-XIII: then come up with something better... 12:16:35 <planetmaker> ^^ SHADOW-XIII exactly. 12:17:10 <planetmaker> I sat over that for quite some time. But getting it grouped such that it meets the several border criteria ... very difficult 12:17:47 <SHADOW-XIII> Rubidium : finish for me that damn apache/tomcat and I might 12:18:18 <SHADOW-XIII> I even cannot make it work :/ 12:18:22 <Rubidium> just eject from your tomcat and let it crash 12:18:44 <Rubidium> preferably above the apache preservation 12:18:57 <SHADOW-XIII> however I put my class it gives me The requested resource (/servlet/HelloWorldExample) is not available. 12:20:39 <Rubidium> class paths? 12:22:53 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 12:22:53 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:22:56 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 12:25:07 *** free_kill [~quassel@r2ao16.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 12:26:01 <SHADOW-XIII> everything is ok 12:26:31 <SHADOW-XIII> in examples, however if I replace example html with my html and class with my class it says that error 12:26:57 <SHADOW-XIII> what's funny, those are just examples from my tutor that well ... should work 12:27:12 *** GoneWacko [~GoneWacko@i44172.upc-i.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 12:27:18 <Rubidium> never assume that they work 12:27:51 <TrueBrain> never assume 12:27:53 <TrueBrain> gna! 12:29:54 <SHADOW-XIII> it compiles 12:29:55 <Rubidium> *especially* at higher education 12:30:16 *** XX [~zaerz_ahm@220.247.162.34] has joined #openttd 12:30:47 *** pavel1269 [~quassel@r2ao16.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:31:13 <XX> which version of openttd have the original ttd ai 12:31:46 *** XX [~zaerz_ahm@220.247.162.34] has left #openttd [] 12:31:47 *** XX [~zaerz_ahm@220.247.162.34] has joined #openttd 12:31:51 <Rubidium> 0.1.4? 12:31:58 <XX> which version of openttd have the original ttd ai 12:32:16 <Rubidium> probably none, though 0.1.1 comes closest I guess 12:32:39 <XX> what about open ttd 0.6 12:32:53 <TrueBrain> weren't you going to download 0.6.3 anyway? 12:33:09 <Rubidium> that's a very broken ai that's somewhat like TTD's ai, but far from it due to it's brokeness 12:33:33 <XX> what are what are you talking about 12:33:45 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 12:34:14 *** XX [~zaerz_ahm@220.247.162.34] has left #openttd [] 12:34:30 <TrueBrain> @mode +b *!*@220.247.162.34 12:34:33 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!*@220.247.162.34] by DorpsGek 12:39:25 <planetmaker> ... 12:40:06 <planetmaker> TrueBrain, can openttd's compile farm also compile external hg repositories? 12:40:31 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: yup; mostly because it doesn't have any internal hg repos :) 12:40:50 <planetmaker> background: the infrastructure sharing patch is somewhat ready for a beta2 release. And it would be cool to have versions for all OS :) 12:40:51 <TrueBrain> (the CF is in a seperate subnet (network-wise) on our dedicated, and fetches everything remotely, including SVN) 12:40:59 <planetmaker> nice 12:41:04 <TrueBrain> I dislike IS, so I don't know if I want to feed it through the CF :p 12:41:05 <TrueBrain> hehe :) 12:41:15 <planetmaker> :( 12:41:28 <TrueBrain> the CF currently only has one limition: it can only compile the 'default' branch inside a hg/git 12:41:30 <planetmaker> the principle or the implementations so far? 12:41:47 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: anyway, if you want it running through CF, you need one of the devs to sign off on that :) 12:42:04 <planetmaker> default branch is no problem, it has its separate hg repository. 12:42:39 *** reldred [~richard@115.131.202.28] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:43:02 <planetmaker> :) I hope that's possible. 12:44:07 *** Klanticus [~quassel@143.107.181.10] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:45:48 <planetmaker> but I guess the latency, and that only TB (maybe Rubidium ) can trigger the compile farm, it might rather then be tomorrow for a compilation. 12:46:10 <planetmaker> hm... wrong channel :P 12:46:13 *** SHADOW-XIII [~Miranda@78.151.89.239] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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I thought the nigtly got priority automatically? 12:49:08 <planetmaker> TrueBrain, exactly that's why I think today might be out of order :) 12:49:32 <TrueBrain> Yexo: exactly my point :) 12:49:46 <petern> problem with running other branches through the CF is then they become 'semi official' 12:49:49 <TrueBrain> means compile-time of 4 hours, if I trigger it at 1800 or so :p 12:50:05 <TrueBrain> petern: maybe .. they come in a map 'custom' .. 12:50:09 <Yexo> petern: I guess that's why TrueBrain wants a dev to sign off 12:50:16 <TrueBrain> Yexo: :) 12:50:18 <petern> yeah, and i won't ;) 12:50:52 <TrueBrain> I leave that for you guys to fight out, if you want such project run through the CF or not :) 12:51:01 <planetmaker> :( @ petern 12:51:03 <Yexo> maybe I will, but only after a decent code review, and I don't have time for that 12:51:28 <planetmaker> hm, ok 12:51:35 <planetmaker> any chance for that somewhen, Yexo ? 12:51:38 <petern> heh 12:51:47 <petern> just review and commit ;) 12:52:07 <planetmaker> :P 12:52:11 <Yexo> planetmaker: yes, but not today/tommorow 12:52:18 <planetmaker> :) 12:52:28 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAAc9a8.baa.pppool.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:52:38 <Yexo> I didn't way I'll do it, just if I find the motivation later :p 12:52:56 <planetmaker> hehe :) 12:53:11 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet682.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 12:53:15 <planetmaker> you give a small finger, people take your whole arm ;) 12:55:34 <Pikka> planetmaker, why are you going around giving people the finger in the first place? 12:55:54 <planetmaker> :P I'm too naive and friendly. 12:55:54 <TrueBrain> bad habbits die hard 12:59:28 <planetmaker> TrueBrain, can the CF actually compile any revision from a repository or just tip? 12:59:39 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: tip 13:00:03 <planetmaker> hm... so, if there's a tag called "beta2", it needs to be tip in order for this thing to work, right? 13:00:13 <TrueBrain> with current CF, yes 13:00:23 <TrueBrain> a very simple solution is to make a second clone of the hg with the tag 13:00:29 <TrueBrain> which then becomes the tip of that clone 13:00:33 <planetmaker> true :) 13:00:43 <TrueBrain> will be fixed if and after WT3 is done :p 13:00:58 <planetmaker> thanks for the tip :) 13:04:46 <TrueBrain> in theory btw, which is something petern might like, the CF can upload to alternative locations (via sftp) 13:05:37 <planetmaker> hm... that would be nicely feasable from my point of view. 13:06:10 <planetmaker> We don't need (semi-)officially endorsed binaries, it just helps testing a lot, if all platforms are supported 13:06:38 <TrueBrain> and that is exactly what the CF is for ;) 13:07:13 <planetmaker> Well, then that's actually, from my POV, the right now preferred solution. 13:07:45 <Yexo> if that's the case I see no reason not to compile some binaries 13:08:30 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@f051178222.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 13:08:36 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:e59c:db2f:642d:9e6e] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:08:36 <planetmaker> yup. TrueBrain is there a public key you can give me? 13:08:46 <planetmaker> Then we can allow that key to access our servers. 13:09:14 <TrueBrain> $ this->currentJob->hold(); 13:09:16 <TrueBrain> OK 13:09:50 <planetmaker> :) TrueBrain don't interrupt what you're doing now. It's not like an emergency :) 13:10:28 <planetmaker> but thank you :) 13:10:35 * planetmaker hugs TrueBrain 13:11:59 <TrueBrain> those tasks .. if I don't do it now .. I don't do it ever :p 13:13:03 <planetmaker> hehe. Common behaviour, I guess :P 13:14:13 <TrueBrain> schedule 17 define ... 17 schedules already. ... :) 13:15:14 <TrueBrain> $ this->currentJob->resume() 13:15:26 <TrueBrain> current job: waiting for Rubidium 13:15:27 <TrueBrain> nasty :p 13:15:33 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051178222.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:15:33 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 13:15:34 <Rubidium> lies! 13:15:37 <TrueBrain> :) 13:15:44 <TrueBrain> my validation routine gives me HINTS! :) 13:15:56 <TrueBrain> HINT: Expected 0 parameters, got 1, for command 'SETX' in string 'STR_882A_END_OF_ORDERS' 13:15:57 <TrueBrain> HINT: Expected 0 parameters, got 2, for command 'P' in string 'STR_9001_ROAD_VEHICLES' 13:15:59 <TrueBrain> :) 13:18:59 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@f050243241.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 13:19:45 <planetmaker> TrueBrain, you got one "T" too many in the first command :D 13:20:39 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: pervert 13:20:45 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:9413:e36f:7765:19e9] has joined #openttd 13:20:49 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:20:56 <planetmaker> :P 13:23:30 <Belugas> hello 13:23:52 * TrueBrain waves to Belugas 13:24:25 <planetmaker> hello Belugas 13:24:29 <Belugas> splash! 13:25:33 *** Klanticus [~quassel@143.107.231.49] has joined #openttd 13:26:13 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051178222.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:26:13 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 13:28:25 <Belugas> there was a new topic that really made me sick. but i can't find it again. 13:28:38 <TrueBrain> Belugas: maybe for the best :) 13:29:12 <Belugas> well.. that kind of post has to be buried deep hard. the game is not realistic and blablabla... and it should be done this way and that way.... 13:29:17 <Belugas> but hey, I lOOOOOOvethe game 13:29:20 <Belugas> cock sucker 13:30:52 <Yexo> Belugas: the one in the gamebalance thread? 13:31:17 <Belugas> dunno... i'll check right noqw 13:32:27 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16122 /trunk/src/strgen/strgen.cpp: -Change: add more misc information about the behaviour of commands to strgen's -export-commands. 13:32:42 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:33:14 * TrueBrain hugs Rubidium 13:33:20 <TrueBrain> $ this->currentJob->print() 13:33:24 <Belugas> yeah... quarq's post 13:33:25 <TrueBrain> current job: working on WT3 13:33:27 <Belugas> thanks Yexo 13:33:59 <Belugas> incredibly boring and disconnected. but... on the other hand, i do not feel like blasting him, since he did quite a job at explaining his ideas 13:35:58 <Gekz> wow 13:36:04 <Gekz> he must have done his explaining well then 13:36:06 <Gekz> link? 13:36:33 <Belugas> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=29683&start=240 buttom post 13:37:32 <Belugas> bottom... 13:38:42 <Gekz> oh wow 13:38:44 <Gekz> long rant 13:39:47 <Gekz> oh wow 13:39:50 <Gekz> he explains it very well 13:39:52 <Gekz> using maths 13:40:15 <Belugas> it's not a rant. that's the best part of it. 13:40:22 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 13:40:24 <Gekz> yeah 13:40:28 <Gekz> I thuoght it was about to be a rant 13:41:18 <Gekz> Belugas: I like his loan idea 13:42:52 <Gekz> and his ownership layer idea 13:42:55 <Gekz> I've had that one before too 13:43:03 <TrueBrain> sure sure 13:43:05 <TrueBrain> :p 13:43:15 <Gekz> no, I've just never aired it 13:43:20 <Gekz> because I can get one of two responses: 13:43:22 <Gekz> 1) fuck off 13:43:24 <Gekz> 2) do it yourself 13:43:26 <Gekz> or both 13:43:39 <Gekz> the open source world doesn't like ideas. 13:44:02 <TrueBrain> a dutch saying is like this: "Never shot is always missed" 13:44:06 <Yexo> no, the open source world has too many idea or not enough coders 13:44:09 *** fjb [~frank@p5485F282.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:44:16 <fjb> Hello 13:44:17 <TrueBrain> so now don't start bitching :p 13:44:19 <TrueBrain> hi fjb :) 13:44:37 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:44:55 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 13:45:26 <Belugas> the open source world is oftenly confronted with ideas and even work that are not requested nor wanted 13:45:50 <Belugas> but the provider is often insisting on the marvelous piece of work that he has provided 13:46:01 <Belugas> and i'm not ONLY talking about Richk here... 13:48:25 <Patrick> yes 13:48:38 <Belugas> and back to quarq's post, i'm very disappointed to the fact that all this good analysis has been done solely on the principle of realism 13:48:38 <Patrick> everyone blows in with "my great idea" that's been dismissed ten times before 13:48:43 <Belugas> welll... that's how i see it 13:48:52 <Belugas> indeed Patrick 13:49:01 <Patrick> "code it yourself" doesn't always work either 13:49:09 <Patrick> if your idea is Great 13:49:18 <Patrick> then you can win over enough developers to make it happen 13:49:26 <Patrick> give me some examples ... terrain map edges? 13:49:29 <Patrick> bigmaps? 13:49:37 <Gekz> pbs? 13:49:44 <Patrick> that's been dabbled with for years 13:49:47 <Patrick> but yeah 13:49:47 <Gekz> cargodest 13:49:55 <Patrick> that's not in trunk, is it? 13:50:01 <Gekz> it's in development 13:50:05 <fjb> !logs 13:50:05 <Gekz> no-one said it had to be merged 13:50:06 <Gekz> haha 13:50:07 <Patrick> oh neat 13:50:32 <Belugas> some branches never get merged 13:50:38 <Gekz> i know 13:50:43 <TrueBrain> Open Source is _no_ Demand/Supply market 13:50:44 <Gekz> and cargodest probably wont apparnetly 13:50:45 <TrueBrain> far from it :) 13:50:46 <Belugas> remember the old map branch 13:50:47 <Gekz> because of the use of Boost 13:50:52 <Gekz> why did he have to use boost 13:50:55 <Gekz> -.- 13:51:07 <Belugas> graphic library 13:51:08 <Gekz> TrueBrain: that's why it will never replace proprietary products 13:51:13 <Belugas> TrueBrain, true, so true 13:51:21 <Gekz> TrueBrain: because some shit is just that boring, that to develop it, you'd need to be paid 13:51:22 <TrueBrain> people tend to forget that tiny fact ;) 13:51:42 <Belugas> it's open... it should accept everything.... 13:51:50 <Belugas> that's the normal mentality 13:52:40 <glx> and that's wrong ;) 13:53:07 <Gekz> what's an easy-to-use tiling window manager? 13:53:24 <Belugas> hello glx :) and yes, you're so right saying it's so wrong 13:53:30 <Belugas> hu hu hu 13:57:59 *** SHADOW_XIII [~Miranda@78.151.89.239] has joined #openttd 13:58:11 *** welterde [welterde@gandalf.srv.welterde.de] has joined #openttd 13:58:31 <fjb> Are there no logs anymore? 13:58:58 <TrueBrain> fjb: try thegrebs.com 13:59:36 <glx> or use your browser's shortcuts 14:02:23 <fjb> Thank you 14:03:26 *** batti5 [~batti5@92.84.15.191] has joined #openttd 14:07:11 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16123 /trunk/ (6 files in 4 dirs): -Fix: forgot to add table/strgen.h to the project files + a typo 14:16:10 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 14:23:21 *** SHADOW_XIII [~Miranda@78.151.89.239] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, THE BEST ! - http://miranda-im.org] 14:23:58 *** Klanticus [~quassel@143.107.231.49] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:25:56 <dihedral> hihi - i wrote a little randomizer, which randomly changes configured parts of the config, to a randomly selected value from a configured list of values :-P 14:26:03 <dihedral> :-) 14:26:14 <TrueBrain> > /dev/null 14:26:14 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:26:38 <TrueBrain> (mwhahahaha) 14:26:43 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 14:28:41 * dihedral slaps TrueBrain 14:31:15 *** HackaLittleBit [~Hack@195-23-22-186.net.novis.pt] has joined #openttd 14:31:36 <HackaLittleBit> hello evereybody 14:31:57 <fjb> Hello somebody. 14:32:46 <HackaLittleBit> Rubidium, Yexo answered you. 14:33:00 <HackaLittleBit> was not so smart of me 14:33:59 <Yexo> I did? 14:34:43 <HackaLittleBit> NOooo I answered 14:35:21 <HackaLittleBit> Anyway thanks and sorry about bothering you 14:35:35 <Belugas> ?? 14:35:48 <HackaLittleBit> FS 2854 14:36:17 <Yexo> ah, why didn't you say so in the first place :p 14:36:26 <Belugas> hehehe 14:36:49 <HackaLittleBit> embarresed 14:37:00 <Yexo> no problem, it can happen 14:37:23 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:40:29 <HackaLittleBit> In FS 2823 smatz warned me about "It seems to be using HasVehicleOnPos in a wrong way, possibly causing desyncs" 14:41:01 <HackaLittleBit> is somebody willing to have a look at that 14:41:17 <HackaLittleBit> because I don't understand that 14:42:41 <Rubidium> the order of items in the vehicle has differs between clients 14:43:41 *** Klanticus [~quassel@monowall.cisc.usp.br] has joined #openttd 14:43:50 <Rubidium> s/has/hash/ 14:44:46 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 14:44:48 <Rubidium> as you only 'evaluate' till you found the first and change the first you might end up changing the speed of vehicle 1 on the server and vehicle 2 on the client and vehicle 3 on another 14:45:01 <Rubidium> just because their hash table is ordered differently 14:46:08 <HackaLittleBit> Thanks 14:46:52 <Rubidium> the desyncs caused by this are hard to trigger, but even harder to track down 14:47:43 <petern> lol 14:47:56 <petern> 1 day in 2 seconds to 1 day in 1 hour is ... a big jump 14:48:00 <HackaLittleBit> crying 14:48:37 <HackaLittleBit> Thanks Rubidium I see I have more work to do 14:51:43 <fjb> petern: 1 year in 15 days, 1 game runs 5,4 years... :-) 14:52:10 *** HackaLittleBit [~Hack@195-23-22-186.net.novis.pt] has left #openttd [] 14:52:33 <dihedral> batti5, i dont do dcc chat! 14:52:56 <Forked> 7ctcp dihedral chat 14:52:59 <Forked> wait, thats eggdrops.. nevermind 14:53:43 <dihedral> why on earth would someone (i have nothing to do with by the way) decide to dcc chat me? 14:54:15 <petern> fjb, constant 14:54:16 <Belugas> why on earth would anyone want to caht with you, in the first place? 14:54:25 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5FC89.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 14:54:29 * Belugas hugs dihedral 14:54:43 * dihedral slaps SmatZ ^^ 14:54:59 <SmatZ> :o) 15:08:57 * TrueBrain finishes WT3 string validation 15:09:07 <planetmaker> nice 15:09:10 <TrueBrain> in a few minutes I know if I should be happy, as then it is finished 15:09:12 <glx> do you want testers? 15:09:31 <TrueBrain> SVN is a nice test-bed ;) But I will enable the validation on the Save button soon, then you can test :) 15:09:50 <glx> nice, I have a test string already :) 15:09:54 <glx> (for genders) 15:10:04 <TrueBrain> that one will fail :p 15:12:36 <TrueBrain> first I think I need to do some shopping ... need food!! 15:13:11 *** Klanticus [~quassel@monowall.cisc.usp.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:13:50 <batti5> <dihedral> batti5, i dont do dcc chat!: I don`t even know what dcc chat is. 15:13:59 <TrueBrain> one general thing: if you ever fail to do a change in WT3, you can always do it via SVN, as that is ALWAYS accepted 15:14:17 <TrueBrain> 1510 15:14:19 <TrueBrain> {1:STRING} {0:TOWN} 15:14:20 <TrueBrain> HINT: STRING at wrong position in string 'STR_INDUSTRY_FORMAT' 15:14:22 <TrueBrain> HINT: TOWN at wrong position in string 'STR_INDUSTRY_FORMAT' 15:14:23 <TrueBrain> HINT: Missing TOWN in translation of string 'STR_INDUSTRY_FORMAT' 15:14:25 <TrueBrain> HINT: Missing STRING in translation of string 'STR_INDUSTRY_FORMAT' 15:14:26 <TrueBrain> ghehe :) 15:14:28 <TrueBrain> either my routine is wrong, or a string was broken in r7787 :p 15:14:46 <glx> your routine I think :) 15:15:29 <TrueBrain> I guess so too ;) 15:16:49 <glx> does it handle the "x:" ? 15:17:04 <TrueBrain> yup 15:17:51 <dihedral> his routine or ... :-P 15:19:12 <TrueBrain> grr .. python failed to auto-cast :( 15:19:14 <TrueBrain> "1" != 1 :( 15:20:03 <TrueBrain> 1 == "1" 15:20:04 <TrueBrain> lol 15:20:09 <TrueBrain> (or the other way around ... what ever :p) 15:20:38 <glx> nice:) 15:22:15 <TrueBrain> oh, was going to buy some food .. hmm .. 15:23:44 <glx> better do than before it's closed :) 15:23:57 <TrueBrain> that gives me 5 more hours ... :p 15:26:41 *** SHADOW-XIII [~Miranda@78.151.89.239] has joined #openttd 15:28:34 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@f050243241.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 15:31:21 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x3ef3a188.virnxx14.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 15:31:24 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 15:32:38 <petern> @seen bjarni 15:32:38 <DorpsGek> petern: bjarni was last seen in #openttd 2 weeks, 5 days, 19 hours, 47 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: <Bjarni> and you will never know if there is a joke in it :P 15:33:01 <Bjarni> ssh 15:33:05 * Bjarni is hiding 15:35:11 * SmatZ can't find Bjarni 15:35:30 * planetmaker wonders what all the people look for 15:35:33 <SmatZ> hehe 15:35:36 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f050243241.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:35:36 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 15:35:45 <batti5> Is thare a way to complie openttd with gcc43 on mandriva 2009? 15:36:04 <dihedral> ./configure && make 15:36:06 <planetmaker> yes. but you haven't found it obviously 15:36:46 <batti5> i get the folowing error = 15:36:47 <batti5> the CC environment variable is set, but it doesn't seem to be a gcc binary 15:36:49 <batti5> please redefine the CC/CXX environment to a gcc binary 15:36:57 <planetmaker> fix your system then :) 15:37:06 <batti5> how? 15:37:09 <dihedral> google 15:37:13 <glx> install g++ :) 15:37:13 <planetmaker> ask the mandriva guys 15:37:14 <dihedral> did you try that? 15:37:29 <dihedral> or are you just asking questions without doing anything yourself 15:37:38 <Bjarni> google is only good if you know what to search for ^^ 15:38:10 <planetmaker> best shot is: re-install your gcc. 15:38:19 <dihedral> Belugas: "please redefine the CC/CXX environment to a gcc binary" 15:38:28 <dihedral> eh 15:38:30 <dihedral> Bjarni 15:38:31 <dihedral> ^^ 15:38:52 <glx> CC/CXX not needed if g++ is installed :) 15:38:56 <dihedral> google-ing the error message is often a good try 15:39:10 <Bjarni> searching for the error string is not always a good solution 15:39:10 <batti5> export CC=<gccs location>, but its not in /usr/local/bin/ 15:39:19 <dihedral> Bjarni, it's a start 15:39:24 <planetmaker> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=please+redefine+the+CC%2FCXX+environment+to+a+gcc+binary&btnG=Search <--- o_O 15:39:30 <planetmaker> first hit: bugs.openttd.org 15:39:31 <dihedral> and often enough other people have had a similar issue 15:39:41 <Bjarni> I once searched and it turned out that it was a custom error string so I came up with... one guy having the same problem and no solution.... and nothing else 15:39:42 <glx> first step, type "gcc -v" in a terminal 15:39:49 <glx> then type "g++ -v" 15:39:57 <Belugas> dihedral, i would not, even if i knew how... 15:40:07 <dihedral> Bjarni, but at least you show that you tried 15:40:16 <dihedral> Belugas, lol 15:40:16 <Bjarni> good point 15:40:33 <dihedral> + if you dont find an answer that way, and have no other idea you can still ask 15:40:37 <dihedral> but not trying is even worse 15:41:37 <Belugas> but then... why would I do somehting that i'm not going to use??? 15:41:49 <Bjarni> for fun 15:41:55 <dihedral> you never know 15:45:15 <Belugas> well... let say i have better place to go for having fun... 15:45:44 <Belugas> right now, i'm ahaving "fun" with PINPads, Chip n Pin cards and simulators 15:45:56 <batti5> well, i find the problem g++ is missing. 15:46:30 <planetmaker> I guess an install is in order then. Use your packet manager and install it. 15:46:50 <glx> while you are at installing stuff, don't forget zlib-dev, sdl-dev, freetype-dev, ... 15:48:56 <Belugas> don't try to install openttd-dev, it will fail... 15:50:06 *** Pikka [~PikkaBird@CPE-124-187-66-158.qld.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 15:50:07 * petern is not installable 15:50:58 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:53:46 <TrueBrain> Afrikaans Slovenian Latvian Chinese 15:53:51 <TrueBrain> be happy, you guys are my notepad 15:56:43 *** SHADOW_XIII [~Miranda@78.151.89.239] has joined #openttd 15:57:02 *** SHADOW-XIII [~Miranda@78.151.89.239] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:57:02 <Belugas> so do not move while he write on you 15:57:06 <Bjarni> you use Chinese people for remembering the stuff everybody else use notepad for? 15:57:26 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 16:02:34 *** ecke [~ecke@host-77-236-193-57.blue4.cz] has joined #openttd 16:02:39 <batti5> i can`t find SDL-devel for mandriva 16:03:01 <TrueBrain> for ,000, is this: 16:03:04 <TrueBrain> a) batti5 failure to search 16:03:11 <TrueBrain> b) mandrive's failure to include it 16:03:19 <batti5> b 16:03:27 <TrueBrain> c) problem-is-between-keyboard-and-chair 16:03:32 <TrueBrain> your time is running .. what will it be ... 16:03:41 <batti5> b 16:04:18 <TrueBrain> oh, this is bad! He had such a good run! 16:04:24 <TrueBrain> and now .. batti5 has to go home with nothing! 16:04:30 <TrueBrain> oh well, better luck next time! 16:05:18 <planetmaker> http://www.google.de/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=8&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mythtv.org%2Fwiki%2FMythMusic_Installation&ei=i5HwSc76CMWC_AbS-ZXaCQ&usg=AFQjCNHr86U4SCAEY8FBQGByiIicNNKF7A&sig2=zKRnfblimiuuragmFx9P-g 16:05:22 <planetmaker> ^^ batti 16:08:35 *** Fuchs82 [~fehly@e181075021.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 16:08:48 <el_en> Bjarni of Denmark! 16:09:12 <Fuchs82> could someone help me with a metropolitan airport pls? I can't build one 16:09:12 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:09:33 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 16:09:48 <el_en> batti5: the correct apostrophe character is ', not `. 16:09:51 <planetmaker> Fuchs82, then you're playing too early or have too little money 16:10:13 <planetmaker> too early in terms of game years. 16:10:20 <Fuchs82> nope, it's 1981 already and i got the money.. 16:10:32 <Fuchs82> it's not in the building menu.. not even disabled 16:10:48 <Yexo> can you build other airports? What is the error message you get? 16:11:00 <Fuchs82> no error message. and yes, i got city airports 16:11:21 <TrueBrain> what OpenTTD version are you playing? 16:11:23 <Yexo> then what? Is the button greyed out? 16:11:24 <Belugas> it'snot on the menu? or it's disabled? 16:11:32 <Fuchs82> nope there is no button for it :-P 16:11:35 <Fuchs82> got the latest version 16:11:39 <TrueBrain> which is? 16:11:42 <Yexo> latest isn't a version number 16:11:43 <Belugas> screenshot! 16:11:49 <Belugas> don't believe ya! 16:12:00 <Fuchs82> hehe, but it's the german version 16:12:02 <TrueBrain> (latest for Gentoo was 0.4.8 for a long time ... while 0.6.3 was out, so .. latest is a tiny bit relative) 16:12:06 <Fuchs82> wait, i'll upload a screenshot 16:12:10 <batti5> now its compliing, after i installed SDL-dev from a other distro, it had downloaded 46 depenecies 16:12:18 <Belugas> just change you lang to english... 16:12:19 <Yexo> Fuchs82: there is no "german version" 16:12:21 <Belugas> not too hard to do 16:12:31 <Yexo> you can changes languages to whatever you like 16:12:32 <Fuchs82> ah kk, will change the language 16:12:38 <TrueBrain> and tell us the version you are using! 16:13:24 <TrueBrain> batti5: considered searching for 'sdl' and see what hits you get? As I believe it is called libsdl-devel nowedays 16:13:31 <glx> batti5: knowing mandriva I'm quite sure SDL is in 16:13:34 <TrueBrain> (search within your package manager) 16:13:43 <Fuchs82> ah ok, got it! :-D I can build it. The german name for it was a bit strange 16:13:52 * TrueBrain bashes head to wall 16:13:55 <Fuchs82> ^^ thanks mates 16:14:06 <TrueBrain> enjoy playing 16:14:40 <Fuchs82> yea will do 16:17:22 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16124 /trunk/src/strings.cpp: -Codechange: unify the three number drawing methods 16:18:22 <Belugas> and bitch planetmaker about the airport name! 16:18:39 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:18:41 <TrueBrain> [18:18] <Fuchs82> hey there, can u help me with updating the airports? is there a easier way? 16:18:48 <TrueBrain> such questions are, as you might expect, for this channel 16:18:49 <TrueBrain> not for PMs 16:18:58 <Fuchs82> okidoki 16:19:33 <Fuchs82> i always have to send all my planes to another airport. is there an easier way to update an airport? 16:19:48 <SHADOW_XIII> hm .... 50 minuts FF13 gameplay video ... intersting 16:20:01 <Yexo> no, there is a close airports patch in the forums though 16:20:14 <Fuchs82> ah ok 16:21:47 * fjb expects the next question to be "how to install a patch?"... 16:21:52 <planetmaker> Fuchs82, what name was the German one which you didn't recognize? 16:22:12 <planetmaker> You have the chance to complain now and I *might* - just *might* fix it. 16:22:29 *** kingj is now known as KingJ 16:23:50 <Rubidium> planetmaker: can you fix an Apfelstruedel for me? 16:24:00 <TrueBrain> batti5: hmm 16:24:03 <TrueBrain> hmm 16:24:04 <TrueBrain> -batti5 16:24:05 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ffbbf.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 16:24:07 <TrueBrain> I WANT ONE TOO! 16:24:29 *** phidah [~phidah@1305ds3-oebr.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 16:24:31 <planetmaker> Rubidium, I can :) 16:24:39 <planetmaker> But you have to drop an "e" 16:25:01 <planetmaker> There's only Apfelstrudel :) 16:25:11 <Rubidium> tss... no fancy umlauts :( 16:25:22 <planetmaker> So... let's have Apfelstrudel party when there are new ones around? :) 16:26:18 <planetmaker> or... alternatively: invite me for your birthday. I might bring the cake :) 16:26:27 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: or just invite us to your place 16:26:42 <planetmaker> TrueBrain, that's what I initially thought :) 16:27:05 <planetmaker> but then it's like a dozen duchies going 400km while it could be one person going 400km and all others 50 :) 16:27:20 <TrueBrain> okay, Rubidium's place it is :p 16:27:31 <fjb> planetmaker: What part of germany are you from? 16:27:31 <planetmaker> lol :) 16:27:45 <planetmaker> I'm living in lower saxony's East 16:27:52 <planetmaker> so... central North 16:28:14 <fjb> Oh, not far from me then. I'm voting for the party at your place. :-) 16:28:22 <planetmaker> it's 4,5 hours by car to Eindhoven. 16:28:32 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: Eindhoven is 2 hours away from me 16:28:35 <TrueBrain> so that doesn't mean a lot :p 16:28:41 <planetmaker> or utrecht for that matter 16:28:48 <TrueBrain> that is why I suggest Rubidium 16:28:51 <TrueBrain> should be a bit closer :p 16:29:15 <Rubidium> Enschede, not Eschede (no ICE's crashing here) 16:29:19 <Rubidium> -' 16:29:21 <planetmaker> :P 16:29:30 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has joined #openttd 16:30:21 <planetmaker> Eschede isn't far from here. An hour or so. 16:30:28 <planetmaker> Enschede is further :) 16:30:29 <TrueBrain> but we are not going there :p 16:31:03 <planetmaker> :) 16:31:16 <TrueBrain> 2 hour ride to Enschede for me 16:31:28 <planetmaker> Eschede is not worth the tour anyway 16:31:41 <planetmaker> hm.. where the heck in the Netherlands do you live, TrueBrain ? 16:31:45 <TrueBrain> Leiden 16:31:52 <planetmaker> oh.... beautiful! 16:31:52 <batti5> the complie failed at the and with a long list of errors 16:31:52 <Fuchs82> come to munich, it's spring festival here ;-) 16:32:01 <Rubidium> spring sucks 16:32:08 <Fuchs82> lol 16:32:19 *** KenjiE20 is now known as Guest1773 16:32:21 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.20.109.124] has joined #openttd 16:32:23 <TrueBrain> 8 hours! 16:32:25 <Bjarni> springs kick back :P 16:32:30 <TrueBrain> not going to happen Fuchs82 16:32:31 <Bjarni> *kicks 16:32:33 <planetmaker> Though I've been to Leiden only once... nice place :) 16:32:39 <Rubidium> just to visualise it... "all that sperm in the air" 16:32:43 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: it is :) Student city .. I love it :) 16:32:47 <planetmaker> loved it. 16:32:54 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 16:32:55 <planetmaker> TrueBrain, yep, exactly. Nice city centre, too 16:33:09 <TrueBrain> you only really need a bike, or go by foot :p 16:33:11 <planetmaker> and actually not too far from potential employers for me... :D 16:33:12 <TrueBrain> a car is useless 16:33:25 <TrueBrain> but so Enschede it is? When? :p 16:33:28 <planetmaker> guess how I get to work here? 16:33:29 <Rubidium> at least 'we' got a direct train to Germany every half an our or so ;) 16:33:45 <Rubidium> 'we' == Enschede 16:34:01 <Rubidium> and I'm failing to write some letters 16:34:11 <planetmaker> Rubidium, there are no direct trains to Amsterdam, but you can manage with changing once. Twice to Leiden. 16:34:20 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: a 3 hour ride for you, a 2 hour ride for me 16:34:22 <TrueBrain> seems fair, not? :p 16:34:26 <planetmaker> Dunno other places... 16:34:29 <planetmaker> hehe :) 16:34:34 <Rubidium> planetmaker: from where are there no direct trains to Amsterdam? 16:34:44 <planetmaker> from my town, Braunschweig 16:34:47 *** Guest1773 [~KenjiE20@92.20.109.124] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:34:50 <planetmaker> I need to change in Hannover 16:35:48 * planetmaker now goes grabbing some food... 16:35:56 <planetmaker> brb 16:36:37 <Rubidium> also only one time changing to get to Enschede 16:37:06 <Rubidium> though changing twice might be beneficiary for travel time 16:37:21 <Rubidium> but then, what's 90 minutes off a 5 hour trip by train 16:37:44 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:37:49 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 16:37:58 * fjb is living about 45km south of planetmaker. 16:39:44 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has joined #openttd 16:40:05 <TrueBrain> fjb: so you can come too :p 16:42:23 <fjb> Sure... 16:42:52 <Maarten-> Enschede... waay too far for me :P 16:43:07 <fjb> As long as I don't have to climb some walls... 16:44:27 <Rubidium> Maarten-: where's that American spirit of flying to the other side of the country just to see your family for a few hours? The other side of the ocean is that much further away 16:47:55 <planetmaker> re 16:47:57 <planetmaker> fjb: that must be göttingen? 16:49:18 <planetmaker> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=784325#p784325 <-- hehe :) Nice one, Belugas :) 16:49:33 <fjb> planetmaker: Bad Harzburg 16:49:45 <planetmaker> oh, that's even closer 16:49:53 <planetmaker> :) 16:50:05 <Belugas> hehe 16:50:31 <el_en> what's bad about it? 16:51:09 <TrueBrain> Belugas: nice 'reality' image in your sig 16:51:33 <fjb> GPS? Lets exchange the maps with some TTD maps. :-) 16:52:11 <planetmaker> el_en: nothing is bad about that. 16:52:37 <planetmaker> it's just that developers need the tools in order to get it running - among those is access to the target platform. 16:53:08 <glx> Belugas: don't forget to ask for the latest MSVC pro too (else you can't generate wince code) 16:53:43 <planetmaker> haha :) 16:54:04 <planetmaker> does anyone of you have that? 16:54:11 <TrueBrain> Belugas is trying to steal donation money! :p 16:54:17 <glx> I only have express versions 16:54:38 <Rubidium> the irony is that I have a legal MSVC pro ;) 16:54:41 <TrueBrain> but why do people want to play OpenTTD on handhelds? I don't get it ... it is unplayable! 16:55:05 <planetmaker> he, Rubidium :) I thought you were running some linux... 16:55:11 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: that's something they will only find out when they actually played it on the handheld and they don't believe your word 16:55:16 <Rubidium> planetmaker: I am 16:55:21 <glx> my brother has a MSVC 2005 licence, but I don't know if it's the right one for wince 16:55:24 <planetmaker> oh :) 16:55:32 <Rubidium> though virtualbox is nice technology 16:55:39 <Rubidium> together with korean or chinese windows 16:55:54 <glx> silly localized versions ;) 16:55:55 <Rubidium> english windows is soo standard 16:56:11 <Rubidium> with korean/chinese you can be sure things don't work as they work in your windows 16:57:11 <planetmaker> he, yeah :) 16:57:39 <planetmaker> my font selection doesn't crash anymore, but it doesn't do anything useful either... silly non-standard languages 16:57:57 <Bjarni> how is a language a standard? 16:58:00 <planetmaker> all languages should only use standard ASCII 16:58:04 <glx> planetmaker: it's worse you're on OSX 16:58:05 <Belugas> Yeah, i'm a stealer! 16:58:10 <Bjarni> Apart from standard languages like C and Java, that is 16:58:11 <Belugas> and a gambler!! 16:58:20 <Belugas> i bet he would not dare sending it :D 16:58:24 <Belugas> from what i heard, glx, you can use the said tool on express. 16:58:35 <glx> not for wince 16:58:50 <Belugas> i'll ask im as soon as he come back 16:58:54 <glx> even 64bits require a pro version 16:58:56 <Bjarni> <planetmaker> my font selection doesn't crash anymore <-- wait a minute. You crashed on OSX by selecting a font? 16:59:04 <Belugas> ok 16:59:11 <planetmaker> Bjarni: with a patch, yes :) 16:59:17 *** UFO64 [~jmurray@141.114.204.85] has joined #openttd 16:59:20 <Bjarni> ahh 16:59:33 <glx> well crashing openttd on OSX is easy :) 16:59:36 <planetmaker> standard OpenTTD doesn't. But it doesn't show e.g. egypt glyphs either 16:59:38 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C38D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:59:41 <Bjarni> I thought we had an issue 16:59:45 <planetmaker> glx: hm... how so? 16:59:49 <el_en> which standard organization standardizes the standard language? 16:59:52 <glx> just use signals 16:59:58 <glx> on 10.3.9 17:00:17 <planetmaker> hm... I'm missing the test platform you know. No user supplied it to me :D 17:00:49 <glx> (I mean signal() ;) ) 17:01:03 <Rubidium> planetmaker: no one gave me an OSX machine either, so sorry... can't help 17:01:13 <planetmaker> he :) 17:01:22 * glx has only a virtual 10.3.9 17:02:02 * planetmaker has a virtual win XP :P 17:02:18 * Belugas plays on his virtual guit 17:02:38 <glx> planetmaker: I have 3 virtual XP :) 17:02:47 <planetmaker> he :) I only need one. 17:02:52 * petern has none :D 17:03:23 <glx> I also have virtual 95 and 98 17:03:35 <planetmaker> oh :) 17:03:45 <glx> and virtual ubuntu 64 17:04:08 <planetmaker> only for openttd reasons or also "just because"? 17:04:15 * Rubidium got a virtual debian for ultra-fat OSX binaries 17:04:38 <glx> I remember those :) 17:04:56 <glx> we noticed a 10.3.9 problem with them 17:05:06 <glx> (it was indeed a trunk problem) 17:07:02 <planetmaker> he :) 17:07:20 <TrueBrain> it would be nice if someone would donate an OSX Server ... 17:07:35 <planetmaker> :D 17:07:56 <TrueBrain> I am serious 17:08:03 <planetmaker> they're even on relative terms bloody expensive as opposed to this macbook 17:08:10 <TrueBrain> one of the targets no active dev can debug for/on in a normal way :( 17:08:23 <planetmaker> yeah, I know... :S 17:09:20 <TrueBrain> besides, we can use the exta CPU power for the CF :p 17:09:22 <TrueBrain> ghehe 17:09:27 <planetmaker> though any reasonable recent mac is sufficient for testing - but yeah ^^ 17:09:40 <glx> TrueBrain: and build "natively" 17:09:46 <TrueBrain> glx: that too, of course 17:09:55 <TrueBrain> although that only seems required for 64bit 17:10:24 <planetmaker> just for curiosity: could it be located anywhere? 17:10:33 <planetmaker> given reasonable internet connectivity? 17:10:35 <TrueBrain> I can get it colocated, no problem 17:10:53 <glx> well Rubidium managed to build 64bit for OSX 17:11:12 <TrueBrain> the latest what I remember was that there was some kind of problem 17:11:17 <TrueBrain> but okay .. is a few weeks ago :p 17:11:25 <TrueBrain> (we had to patch cctools and ld64 ourself!) 17:11:42 <Rubidium> probably OSX 64 bits missing lots of stuff (like quickytime) in 64 bits 17:11:52 <planetmaker> Bjarni: how well are you fit with ATSUI framework? 17:12:04 <glx> but openttd worked ;) 17:12:04 <planetmaker> yes, Quicktime isn't 64 bit so far afaik 17:12:10 <TrueBrain> glx: really? 17:12:17 <glx> without music 17:12:18 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: I thought you hit some kind of brickwall in the end :) 17:12:22 <TrueBrain> but okay .. good :) 17:12:36 <TrueBrain> we still need to finish up the cctools and ld64, and publish it in some normal way .. 17:17:00 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest1776 17:17:01 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-98-223-59-217.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 17:17:11 <TrueBrain> we just need 3500 euro to buy an OSX server ourselves ... 17:17:23 <TrueBrain> omg .. I can buy 5 dedicates of that money .. 17:17:29 <TrueBrain> (with better specs!) 17:18:09 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.8/2009032609]] 17:18:12 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: how about sending a 'want-to-support' mail to Apple, asking for one, in return for a logo on the website? :p 17:19:22 <TrueBrain> 270 euro for a 1 TB disk ... omg ... :s 17:20:29 <glx> TrueBrain: it's a disk with an apple on it 17:20:50 <Belugas> a beatle record, in other words 17:21:39 <frosch123> TrueBrain: do you really want an Apple logo on the website? 17:21:46 <TrueBrain> frosch123: no, I really don't :p 17:21:50 *** goodger_ [~ben@host81-152-235-159.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: +++ Out Of Cheese Error +++] 17:22:02 <TrueBrain> I am pretty happy we only have a 'powered by' thingy, which is very small, on the website 17:22:09 *** goodger [~ben@host81-152-235-159.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 17:22:57 <planetmaker> it really pays off to buy those machines and upgrade the internals yourself. they charge you a royalty of 100% on the equipment costs for upgrading them... 17:23:28 *** Guest1776 [~Dale@c-98-223-48-35.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:23:46 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: even ordering by Dell, we call them to tell them they can keep the disks and memory 17:23:50 <TrueBrain> and we put that in ourselves 17:23:53 <TrueBrain> MUCH cheaper 17:24:14 <planetmaker> yeah. but apple is really expensive there. 17:24:33 <TrueBrain> Dell too, so that is not a real suprise :) 17:24:39 <TrueBrain> 1TB disk costs 250 euro 17:24:40 <TrueBrain> so .. 17:24:40 <planetmaker> the only thing which I found reasonable are the upgrade prices from 8 to 16GB ram. 17:24:49 *** ecke [~ecke@host-77-236-193-57.blue4.cz] has quit [Quit: ecke] 17:25:03 <Belugas> from 8 GIG to 16 GIG??? 17:25:05 <Belugas> fuck... 17:25:12 <planetmaker> yep. 17:25:14 <Belugas> i'm still at 512 meg :( 17:25:19 <planetmaker> those dims ARE that expensive 17:25:26 <TrueBrain> Belugas: the compile-farm would love to have 16 GB :) 17:25:31 <planetmaker> it's not them, it's the manufacturers. 17:25:47 <petern> my server has 4 gig 17:25:49 <TrueBrain> although the 4 GB we have now is also nice ;) 17:25:49 <planetmaker> everything beyond 4GB get's a steep price tag 17:26:12 <petern> get's! 17:26:22 <TrueBrain> get is a steep price tag! 17:26:23 <TrueBrain> :) 17:26:52 <planetmaker> :) 17:27:14 <glx> should I re-enable my 's script ? 17:27:18 <glx> :) 17:27:25 <TrueBrain> glx: :) 17:28:33 <planetmaker> uh? 17:28:44 <planetmaker> what devilry is that? :P 17:28:57 <glx> planetmaker: thi's 'script 17:29:11 <TrueBrain> putting an ' before ever 's .. it i's pretty fun :) 17:29:19 <TrueBrain> almo'st unreadable ... but neverthele's's 17:29:36 <glx> I could al'so 'strip 'space's 17:30:28 <glx> we are silly sometimes 17:31:25 <goodger> quite 17:31:38 *** SHADOW_XIII [~Miranda@78.151.89.239] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:31:45 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm15.epsilon180.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:31:50 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAAc9a8.baa.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 17:32:11 *** SHADOW-XIII [~Miranda@78.151.89.239] has joined #openttd 17:32:13 <planetmaker> lol 17:32:45 <goodger> guh 17:32:50 <goodger> my brain feels like it's imploding 17:33:13 <petern> not enough caffeine 17:33:45 <goodger> too many rhinoviruses, I think 17:34:24 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:34:25 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 17:34:49 <Belugas> imploding... maybe... because of fluid escaping? 17:35:07 <Belugas> of simply... grey msubstance deserting the place? 17:36:41 <free_kill> belugas, nice sig on forums :-) 17:36:45 <free_kill> omg 17:36:49 *** free_kill is now known as pavel1269 17:36:57 <Belugas> thanks :) 17:37:27 <pavel1269> i am jsut thinking now, why the hell i am even playing the worst game ever :-P 17:37:34 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: translators * r16125 /trunk/src/lang/ (10 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) 17:37:34 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2009-04-23 17:35:41 17:37:34 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: bulgarian - 13 fixed by thetitan (13) 17:37:34 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: czech - 25 fixed, 2 changed by Hadez (27) 17:37:34 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: dutch - 14 fixed by habell (14) 17:37:35 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: estonian - 1 fixed by kristjans (1) 17:37:37 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: finnish - 15 fixed by jpx_ (15) 17:39:36 <Belugas> worst game ever? 17:39:40 <Belugas> tic-tac-toe? 17:40:20 <planetmaker> well... I cannot lose in a 3x3 tic tac toe :) 17:40:31 <planetmaker> 4x4x4 tic-tac-toe - that's interesting :) 17:40:37 <fjb> But you can also not win... 17:40:51 <Belugas> yeah... by not playing :D 17:44:27 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16126 /trunk/src/lang/ (4 files in 2 dirs): -Fix (r16125): WT2 fracked up big time... 17:46:42 <planetmaker> boh... wt2 is evil, eh? 17:46:54 <TrueBrain> evil: no; hard to handle: yes 17:49:49 <Bjarni> <planetmaker> Bjarni: how well are you fit with ATSUI framework? <-- not at all 17:49:51 <Rubidium> Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 536870912 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 2097152 bytes) <- somehow it didn't do the STR_HEXA -> STR_NON_HEX nicely 17:50:05 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: and you said it did! :p 17:50:16 <TrueBrain> 5 GB of memory ..hmm .. 17:50:24 <TrueBrain> ah, 500 17:50:25 <TrueBrain> pfew :) 17:50:27 <TrueBrain> was wondering ... ;) 17:50:49 *** SHADOW_XIII [~Miranda@78.151.89.239] has joined #openttd 17:52:00 <Xaroth> maximum memory allocation of 500 meg? 17:52:05 <Xaroth> holy shit :o 17:54:02 <planetmaker> Bjarni: a pity... I'm stuck currently at converting openttd strings into apple's atsui format, utf-16 and vice versa 17:54:14 <planetmaker> but nvm then 17:54:22 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: translators * r16127 /trunk/src/lang/ (spanish.txt turkish.txt unfinished/serbian.txt): 17:54:22 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2009-04-23 17:54:01 17:54:22 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: serbian - 81 fixed by etran (81) 17:54:22 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: spanish - 24 fixed by eusebio (24) 17:54:22 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: turkish - 14 fixed by Emin (14) 17:54:31 <Bjarni> I wouldn't mind knowing it though 17:54:42 <Bjarni> but that will not help you right now :P 17:55:19 *** Polygon [~Poly@p54B458B4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:56:47 *** SHADOW-XIII [~Miranda@78.151.89.239] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:58:28 <planetmaker> http://www.openttdcoop.org/files/pm/patches/apple_fontselection_r15906.diff <-- that's my current status of playing around 17:58:52 <planetmaker> trying to use properly apple's automatic font substitution system. 17:59:23 <glx> stupid server config :) 17:59:24 <planetmaker> not much really - I'm kinda probing in the fog... And I think the string conversion isn't done properly. That's why it fails 100% to find substitutes. 17:59:38 <Bjarni> your goal is to replace all the text in the game? 17:59:48 <Bjarni> like window names and text on buttons 17:59:57 <planetmaker> no, my goal is that I get a font which might have the glyphs of the selected language. 18:00:14 <Bjarni> ahh 18:00:16 <glx> like it's done on other OS 18:00:19 <Bjarni> makes more sense 18:00:38 <Bjarni> I coded something like that 18:00:40 <Bjarni> once 18:00:55 <Bjarni> I ended up not committing it though 18:01:02 <planetmaker> but in order to do so, I need to supply a string, query whether it can be printed in a font and depending on that try further ones. 18:01:28 <glx> Bjarni: your version was ot fully automatic 18:01:39 <planetmaker> Bjarni: would be nice, yes :) 18:02:21 <Bjarni> isn't planetmaker trying to automatically find a suitable font? 18:02:29 <planetmaker> yes 18:03:24 <planetmaker> don't mind that 80% of the diff I linked is debug code :) 18:03:46 <planetmaker> oh, it works with -p1 18:04:03 *** zodttd [~me@user-142gtg7.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #openttd 18:04:20 <TrueBrain> welcome zodttd 18:04:37 <zodttd> Hello :) 18:05:08 <Belugas> #Take the skin and pill it back 18:05:14 <Belugas> #Doesn't it make you feel better? 18:05:15 <TrueBrain> #Fuck you, Fuck you very much 18:05:31 <Belugas> #I want to fuck you like an animal 18:05:38 <TrueBrain> (still thinks it is weird that a song with such lyrics hits the Top 40) 18:05:43 <Belugas> #I want to feel yuo from the INSIDE 18:05:49 <Xaroth> o_O 18:05:52 <Xaroth> what song is that? 18:06:05 <Belugas> which? TrueBrain or mine? 18:06:17 <Xaroth> your 18:06:30 <Belugas> Nine Inch nail - Closer 18:06:49 <Xaroth> ah 18:06:52 <Xaroth> sounded somewhat familiar 18:07:57 <Belugas> i'll feel strange when my kid will start to sing it at home :S 18:08:19 <Belugas> and try explain to my wife that it is in fact a spiritual experience... 18:08:46 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:09:19 <Xaroth> hehe 18:10:28 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 18:10:51 <frosch123> [20:08] <Belugas> and try explain to my wife that it is in fact a spiritual experience... <- wait until he sings it at school, and the teacher asks :p 18:10:59 <Belugas> lol! 18:11:20 <Belugas> i'd better hide my CDs very well :) 18:12:30 *** SHADOW-XIII [~Miranda@78.151.89.239] has joined #openttd 18:12:43 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 18:13:38 <frosch123> the 4 year old daughter of a friend of a friend was asked what she wants to drink on her first day at the kindergarden. first she demanded coffee, and as she did not get that, she demanded wine. later the parents were asked about that :p 18:15:16 <Belugas> ooops :) 18:15:21 *** Yeggstry [~mind@94-193-104-242.zone7.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:15:33 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:15:39 <Belugas> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=43303 <- anyone for a rough ride? 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19:03:12 <dihedral> where is the custom value configured then? 19:03:37 <pavel1269> you set it? 19:04:00 <dihedral> no - i have a script that randomizes some config settings for me 19:04:07 <dihedral> and it set number_towns = 4 :-P 19:07:11 <Yexo> dihedral: game_creation.custom_town_number 19:07:18 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 19:07:43 <dihedral> ah, thanks ;-) 19:07:55 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:07:59 * Belugas is now VERY impatient to run home... 19:08:02 <Belugas> extremely! 19:08:17 <dihedral> Yexo: thanks :) 19:13:55 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16128 /trunk/src/ (ini.cpp settings.cpp): -Change: allow loading (and storing) NULL values for STRQ in openttd.cfg. 19:16:14 *** fjb [~frank@p5485C334.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:21:28 *** fjb [~frank@p5485C334.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:23:21 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 19:28:22 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 19:29:34 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:29:58 *** batti5 [~batti5@92.84.15.191] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:34:06 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 19:36:06 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.174.88] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:39:11 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:41:32 *** SHADOW-XIII [~Miranda@78.151.89.239] has joined #openttd 19:43:20 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-208-40.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:43:50 *** Fuchs82 [~fehly@e181075021.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 19:46:37 *** SHADOW_XIII [~Miranda@78.151.89.239] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:47:37 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:47:59 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 19:50:08 *** UFO64 [~jmurray@141.114.204.85] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:56:35 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:57:41 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-51-190.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:58:01 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 20:08:15 <fjb> Hello Nite_Owl 20:08:25 <Nite_Owl> Hello fjp 20:08:29 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:08:45 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 20:19:26 <petern> hm 20:19:42 <el_en> her majesty? 20:28:41 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Quit: ecke] 20:29:38 <Belugas> yeah!!! the sun is coming out finally :D 20:31:26 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 20:31:55 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:31:55 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 20:32:15 *** SHADOW_XIII [~Miranda@78.151.89.239] has joined #openttd 20:38:38 *** SHADOW-XIII [~Miranda@78.151.89.239] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:41:11 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ffbbf.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:41:44 *** pavel1269 [~quassel@r2ao16.net.upc.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:42:08 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5FC89.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 20:45:57 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 20:52:44 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:53:11 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 20:55:08 *** Polygon [~Poly@p54B458B4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:59:15 <Patrick> how long is a recession supposed to last for, and when do you know it's over? 20:59:25 <Belugas> ask Obama ;) 20:59:35 <Patrick> I disabled fluctuating economy during a recession and my production's never gone back up in a year and a half 20:59:38 <Nite_Owl> it is over when you make money 21:00:12 <Patrick> I'm stupidly wealthy and getting more so 21:01:28 <Nite_Owl> then pay your fair share of taxes 21:05:05 <Patrick> ffs 21:05:06 <Patrick> in the game 21:05:07 <PierreW> hm, i just updated to latest nightly.. since then my buddy can't connect anymore to my multiplayer-game with a fairly large map... are there any reasons known? 21:05:08 *** SHADOW_XIII [~Miranda@78.151.89.239] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:05:13 <Patrick> I think I've permanently bollocksed it up 21:05:21 <PierreW> (to small maps he still can connect) 21:05:32 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16129 /trunk/src/ (59 files in 6 dirs): -Feature-ish: configurable digit group separator per language with user override. 21:05:41 *** SHADOW-XIII [~Miranda@78.151.89.239] has joined #openttd 21:05:47 <Rubidium> probably because his computer is too slow or so 21:06:06 <Nite_Owl> Ahhhh - in the game recession - I never worry about those 21:06:20 <Belugas> time to go home now! Finally!!! 21:06:21 <Belugas> bye all 21:06:27 <Rubidium> night Belugas 21:06:29 <Rubidium> happy running! 21:06:41 <Belugas> petern, hang on tigh to your keyboard :D 21:06:41 <Patrick> yes, but I disabled fluctuating economy 21:06:46 <Patrick> during a recession 21:06:49 <Belugas> thanks Rubidium :D 21:06:52 <Patrick> it's the kind of bug I can imagine happening 21:07:34 <petern> :D :D :D 21:07:41 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:07:49 * TrueBrain waves bye to Belugas 21:08:00 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C38D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:08:39 <Patrick> I don't have a save I can go back to 21:08:44 <Nite_Owl> later Belugas 21:08:48 <Patrick> and production permanently stays low even when I cheat it back up 21:08:55 <Patrick> I think this is really screwed up! 21:10:59 *** kyle_ [~Kyle@96.51.215.108] has joined #openttd 21:12:55 <Patrick> who actually coded the recession code? 21:14:32 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:14:58 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 21:15:17 *** SHADOW-XIII [~Miranda@78.151.89.239] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:16:31 *** SHADOW-XIII [~Miranda@78.151.89.239] has joined #openttd 21:16:36 <Nite_Owl> try to not change grfs or settings in the middle of a game 21:16:53 <Patrick> I didn't change a grf :P 21:17:06 <Patrick> fluctuating/steady economy was a changable thing normally 21:17:21 <Patrick> I've unwound way back and I'm building my network again 21:17:37 <Patrick> recession averted! 21:18:34 *** SHADOW_XIII [~Miranda@78.151.89.239] has joined #openttd 21:24:38 *** SHADOW-XIII [~Miranda@78.151.89.239] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:25:38 *** SHADOW-XIII [~Miranda@78.151.89.239] has joined #openttd 21:26:42 *** SHADOW_XIII [~Miranda@78.151.89.239] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:28:23 *** Klanticus [~quassel@143.107.231.49] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:36:45 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 21:36:45 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:36:48 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 21:38:50 <TrueBrain> GRR @ me 21:39:01 <TrueBrain> forgot to pipe 2> to log ... now I don't know why my script crashed after running for 2 hours :( 21:39:12 *** SHADOW-XIII [~Miranda@78.151.89.239] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:39:22 <petern> heh 21:40:59 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet682.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:43:08 <TrueBrain> I rerun the same revisions, and it turns out there was no language-change on those revisions ... lol .. 21:43:19 <TrueBrain> svnserve which kicked me out ... nasty :p 21:47:41 *** kyle_ [~Kyle@96.51.215.108] has quit [Quit: kyle_] 21:48:54 <fjb> Kick it back. 21:49:06 <TrueBrain> I tried; it hurts! 21:49:12 <fjb> :-( 21:49:48 <fjb> I'm having fun partitioning virtual hosts. 21:49:55 *** SHADOW_XIII [~Miranda@78.151.89.239] has joined #openttd 21:50:01 <TrueBrain> you call that fun? :) 21:50:09 <TrueBrain> I am trying to setup a spamfilter gateway which works how I want 21:50:11 <TrueBrain> tricky ... 21:51:14 <fjb> That will be my next task... 21:51:31 <TrueBrain> well, there are very nice gateways which run before one mailserver 21:51:39 <fjb> My old server disk is constantly loosing blocks. 21:51:42 <TrueBrain> I need one which can relay every domain to an other place .... 21:51:49 <TrueBrain> replace it :p 21:52:18 <fjb> I'm about it. That's why I'm partitioning an new drive. 21:52:49 <fjb> How about filtering inside the mailserver? 21:53:02 <TrueBrain> my experience so far is that it sucks ass :p 21:53:14 <TrueBrain> not all MTAs allow what you need to do some really powerful filtering :) 21:54:48 <fjb> I'm using postfix. You can use any filter which speaks smtp with it. 21:55:03 <petern> or milter, these days, if you're brave enough 21:55:19 <TrueBrain> check out assp .. too many configurable options, but does all the filtering you can think of :p 21:55:42 <fjb> Yes, but my milter experiences are not that great. Ok, I used milter only with sendmail yet. 21:56:10 <petern> i like postfix 21:56:27 *** SHADOW-XIII [~Miranda@78.151.89.239] has joined #openttd 21:56:37 <fjb> Assp? I will have a look at it. 21:56:42 <TrueBrain> I don't have any preference for any MTA .. using exim4 on most servers, mostly because debian has a nice config for it ... 21:56:52 <TrueBrain> ASSP really has too many confiruable options ... 21:56:52 <petern> my system at work consists of, er, 14 postfix instances, heh 21:57:03 <fjb> Postfix puts a much lower load on the machine than sendmail does. 21:57:56 <fjb> A nice config is a good reason. I still prefer postfix. :-) 21:57:57 *** SHADOW_XIII [~Miranda@78.151.89.239] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:58:55 *** SHADOW_XIII [~Miranda@78.151.89.239] has joined #openttd 21:59:31 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:59:47 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 21:59:55 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet682.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 22:00:23 <TrueBrain> milter looks nice 22:00:35 <fjb> Oh, ASSP does content checks when the foreign mta is still connected? That is nonoptimal for my server. 22:00:48 <TrueBrain> you can configure almost anything 22:01:01 <TrueBrain> but yes, it keeps the external MTA on as long as possible, to allow it to send back: FUCK YOU SPAMMER :p 22:01:22 <Rubidium> tar pits for the win? 22:01:46 <TrueBrain> that too :p 22:01:49 <fjb> Almost every mta will timeout if I run a perl script while it is connected. 22:01:55 *** glx_ [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:9413:e36f:7765:19e9] has joined #openttd 22:01:58 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx_] by ChanServ 22:02:26 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:9413:e36f:7765:19e9] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:04:28 *** SHADOW-XIII [~Miranda@78.151.89.239] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:05:16 <fjb> My server ist still an old PIII 800MHz. :-( 22:06:29 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-13-27-15.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 22:06:30 <petern> well 22:07:02 *** SHADOW_XIII [~Miranda@78.151.89.239] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:07:03 <petern> i'm afraid i need to sleep 22:07:13 <petern> so no fun with Belugas :( 22:07:22 <TrueBrain> hmm .. sleep .. good idea 22:07:24 <TrueBrain> night all! 22:07:27 <fjb> Good night petern. 22:07:35 <fjb> Good night TrueBrain. 22:07:47 <Nite_Owl> later petern & TrueBrain 22:08:13 *** Yeggstry is now known as Yeggzzz 22:08:32 *** glx_ is now known as glx 22:09:13 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-51-190.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 22:09:17 *** SHADOW_XIII [~Miranda@78.151.89.239] has joined #openttd 22:10:38 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:11:39 *** SHADOW_XIII [~Miranda@78.151.89.239] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:12:22 *** SHADOW_XIII [~Miranda@78.151.89.239] has joined #openttd 22:14:48 *** Fuchs82 [~fehly@e181075021.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:15:05 *** SHADOW-XIII [~Miranda@78.151.89.239] has joined #openttd 22:17:07 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has quit [Quit: Bitches.] 22:19:10 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 22:19:33 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:19:50 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 22:20:28 *** SHADOW_XIII [~Miranda@78.151.89.239] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:21:21 *** SHADOW_XIII [~Miranda@78.151.89.239] has joined #openttd 22:23:12 *** SHADOW-XIII [~Miranda@78.151.89.239] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:23:42 *** SHADOW-XIII [~Miranda@78.151.89.239] has joined #openttd 22:29:28 *** SHADOW_XIII [~Miranda@78.151.89.239] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:31:47 *** SHADOW-XIII [~Miranda@78.151.89.239] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:34:32 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:34:45 *** Klanticus [~quassel@189.35.30.130] has joined #openttd 22:38:16 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f050243241.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 22:42:41 <Patrick> aha 22:42:48 <Patrick> I've actually found a bug in autosignals 22:42:54 <Patrick> it's pretty obscure 22:43:19 <SmatZ> Patrick: what revision are you using? 22:43:23 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAAc9a8.baa.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 22:43:32 <Patrick> 0.7.0 release 22:43:49 <Patrick> when it lays them past an angle, the gap is calculated wrong 22:44:21 <SmatZ> are you sure? maybe depends what you call "wrong" :) 22:45:15 <SmatZ> on horiz / vertical track, the gap looks longer 22:45:29 <Yexo> it not only looks longer, it is a bit longer iirc 22:45:33 <Patrick> No, I tracked down a traffic jam to one of these, and I've measured it 22:45:43 <Patrick> you know you can put signals on both sides of a diagonal track? 22:45:46 <Yexo> but there is no way around that, since the track length is different per tile 22:45:56 <Patrick> when it predict-lays round a corner, it goes 2, 2, 2, 2.5, 2, 2, 2 22:46:11 <Patrick> puts them on the "wrong" set of diagonal tiles and leaves a slightly longer gap 22:46:31 <SmatZ> yeah well, I usually manualy place signals with higher density on horiz/vert tracks 22:46:50 <SmatZ> the gap is 1.5 tiles on horiz/vert track 22:46:59 <SmatZ> when signals are placed every 2 tiles 22:47:08 <Patrick> still. 22:47:08 <SmatZ> or 2.5 when placed every 3 tiles 22:47:13 <SmatZ> it's designed this way 22:47:19 <fonsinchen> TrueBrain, Ammler told me he'd like the compile farm to compile cargo dist. Could you make it do so? 22:47:33 <Patrick> I'm fairly sure it wasn't designed to leave a solitary gap slightly longer than normal 22:47:48 <Patrick> which as anyone knows completely cocks up train distancing and can cause a self-perpetuating traffic jam 22:48:01 <SmatZ> ask petern 22:48:23 <Patrick> I'll do an ss 23:04:03 <Patrick> hmm 23:04:13 <Patrick> on closer inspection, it still slows down with more liberal signals applied 23:04:54 <SmatZ> now you will find out trains are moving slower on horiz/vert tracks 23:07:17 <Patrick> yes 23:07:18 <Patrick> slightly 23:07:27 <Patrick> I have to double the signal density to avoid screwups 23:07:38 <Patrick> this actually explains why I could never push my density above a certain point 23:16:02 <Belugas> too bad petern, i was able (after secind shot) to make it all work 23:16:08 <Belugas> got to send you coffee ;) 23:18:19 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-13-27-15.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 23:26:41 *** KingJ is now known as kingj 23:30:07 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16130 /trunk/src/core/overflowsafe_type.hpp: -Fix [FS#2855]: the overflowsafe type didn't like dividing by int64 larger than MAX_INT32 causing division by negative numbers and small anomolies when drawing graphs. 23:31:06 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16131 /trunk/src/table/settings.h: -Fix (r16129): some compile warnings on some compilers 23:35:21 *** artart78 [~artart78@162.187.119-80.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:37:59 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 23:38:07 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:38:07 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 23:38:43 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x3ef3a188.virnxx14.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:42:04 *** SHADOW-XIII [~Miranda@78.151.89.239] has joined #openttd 23:45:18 *** nicfer [~Administr@168.226.104.238] has joined #openttd 23:47:26 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16132 /trunk/src/settings.cpp: -Fix (r7232/r16129): crash when saving games; r7232 is the cause of the problem, r16129 just causes it to be triggered. 23:55:52 <SHADOW-XIII> lol, long way, nearly 10k builds 23:57:47 <SmatZ> @openttd commit 16006 23:57:47 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: Commit by frosch :: r16006 trunk/src/core/random_func.hpp (2009-04-09 22:37:59 UTC) 23:57:49 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: -Fix (r0): Chance16() did not work for b = 1. Also transform the formula to not use divisions. 23:57:53 <SmatZ> for example :-p 23:58:04 *** fonsinchen1 [~alve@BAEe7c5.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd