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00:02:02 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host86-171-246-78.range86-171.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 00:09:44 <De_Ghost> was there any signal / road work since 16050? 00:10:32 <Eddi|zuHause> svn log -r16050:HEAD? 00:10:36 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: frosch * r16199 /trunk/src/ (ai/api/ai_order.cpp order_base.h order_cmd.cpp order_gui.cpp): 00:10:36 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: -Codechange: Pass OrderNonStopFlags also to MakeGoToDepotOrder(). 00:10:36 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: -Fix: 'Go non-stop to nearest depot'-orders did not work wrt. the 'non-stop' part. 00:10:36 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: -Fix: Adding 'Go to nearest depot'-orders did not respect the default setting for 'non-stop'. 00:11:02 <De_Ghost> i'll take it as a no 00:11:12 <frosch123> what do signals have with roads in common? 00:11:26 <De_Ghost> they are both part of pathing 00:11:34 <Eddi|zuHause> where does my statement suggest a "no§? 00:11:44 <De_Ghost> no idea 00:11:45 <De_Ghost> lol 00:12:05 <Eddi|zuHause> especially since i was away for one and a half month... 00:12:07 <frosch123> I have no idea what you are asking for :) 00:12:46 <De_Ghost> like 00:12:52 <De_Ghost> change in format of track 00:12:55 <De_Ghost> new signals 00:13:02 <De_Ghost> that kind of stuff 00:15:38 <Eddi|zuHause> lots of "stuff" is still in development 00:15:42 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has quit [Quit: Bitches.] 00:18:42 <De_Ghost> nvm 00:18:57 <De_Ghost> i already found a problem with the diff 00:18:58 <De_Ghost> case closed 00:18:59 <De_Ghost> :O 00:25:01 <frosch123> night 00:25:05 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fe71e.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:26:27 *** KenjiE20 [~Kenji@host81-129-81-243.range81-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 00:29:05 <De_Ghost> would'nt it be easier to build copy and paste useing the ai api? 00:29:27 <De_Ghost> i mean the api don't morp as quick as the trunk 00:30:31 *** KenjiE20|LT is now known as Guest342 00:30:31 *** KenjiE20 is now known as KenjiE20|LT 00:31:23 *** Guest342 [~Kenji@host86-171-246-78.range86-171.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:43:16 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 00:44:46 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@dsl-kpobrasgw1-ff7cc100-243.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 01:09:58 *** Amr0d [~Amr0d@f048120156.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Amr0d] 01:43:07 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 01:44:22 <Belugas> that's a new usage for the ai api... copy and paste... 01:44:23 <Belugas> wow 01:44:42 <Belugas> i mean... that's imaginative, to say the least 01:50:59 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7651A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:52:43 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7651A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:58:46 *** fjb [~frank@p5485DF5D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 01:59:08 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7651A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:12:12 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7651A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:12:45 *** elmex [elmex@ist.m8geil.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:13:43 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 02:17:05 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7651A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:21:42 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7651A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:32:59 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has quit [Quit: http://www.interplay.com/] 02:35:51 <kkb110> hi I have a question in economy.cpp 02:36:07 <kkb110> in "Money GetTransportedGoodsIncome(uint num_pieces, uint dist, byte transit_days, CargoID cargo_type)" this function 02:36:46 <kkb110> It seems there is CBM_CARGO_PROFITC_CALC callback to calculate profit 02:37:53 <kkb110> but actually, It seems it is never been used.. it just return CALLBACK_FAILED every time. and the profit is calculated the code just below. 02:38:54 <kkb110> is there any moment that we really need that CBM_CARGO_PROFIT_CALC callback? Is that for just extention or plugin something? 02:42:53 <glx> hmm looks like a newgrf callback 02:43:00 * glx didn't check the code 02:43:03 <Belugas> yup 02:43:08 <Belugas> it is, just checked 02:44:31 <Belugas> kkb110, you need a grf loaded and that grf is required to perform the said callback, then you'll see that the CALLBACK_FAILED will take some sens 02:45:02 <kkb110> aha ok I see. grf thing. thank you. 02:45:42 <Belugas> related to cargo. it's a spec of newcargo, actually 02:47:04 <kkb110> i've got it 02:47:05 <DaleStan> Anything that can return CALLBACK_FAILED is a GRF device. There are (if I count rightly) 60 such functions. 02:51:59 <Belugas> that much?? that is in Open or in Patch? 02:52:07 * Belugas checks Open 02:56:24 <Belugas> MSVC reports 87 lines matching 02:56:38 <Belugas> but that does not count functions, just... lines 03:04:55 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:05:11 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 03:06:36 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Quit: ecke] 03:08:18 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:10:04 <De_Ghost> why isn't useing ai api for copy and paste good idea? 03:11:12 <Belugas> people dream of using AI api every where 03:11:33 <Belugas> why do you say it would be a good idea? 03:11:46 <Belugas> why not keep on using c++ for it? 03:12:20 <De_Ghost> less fix to keep it working? 03:12:32 <Belugas> hu? 03:12:36 <Belugas> how? 03:12:37 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:13:13 <De_Ghost> cuz with diff if u change a line the whole thing breaks 03:13:22 <Belugas> lol 03:13:22 <De_Ghost> and then you have to sort thru it all 03:13:35 <Belugas> that is SUCH a nice reason!!! 03:13:54 <De_Ghost> sarcasm? 03:14:01 <De_Ghost> hard to tell on the internet 03:14:06 <Belugas> De_Ghost, with that reasoning, all dev work should switch righ now to AI api 03:14:17 <Belugas> it is indeed big sarcastic laugh 03:14:41 <De_Ghost> i mean 03:14:42 <De_Ghost> like 03:15:11 <glx> Belugas: the API is c++ :) 03:16:01 <Belugas> that i know, glx, ut i'm 100% convinced our ghostly friend would wnat to use squirel to build next version of copy paste 03:16:13 <De_Ghost> yorick"You know I updated the hg repo last week" 03:16:14 <glx> that would not work 03:16:21 <De_Ghost> won't it? 03:16:23 <De_Ghost> :o 03:16:24 <Belugas> and that is what make me laugh really hard 03:16:28 <glx> squirrel can't save 03:17:14 <Belugas> people tend to view squirrel as the easy way in 03:17:25 <glx> anyway AI API is taylored for AIs 03:17:32 <Belugas> yup 03:17:40 <kkb110> Is that a bug? that I can over-build a train-station on other my train-station? Nothing happens when I over-build , but it consumes money. 03:17:55 <Belugas> not a bug 03:17:55 <glx> not a bug 03:18:01 <kkb110> ok :) 03:18:05 <De_Ghost> depends how u view it 03:18:05 <Belugas> you are just... updating it 03:18:07 <De_Ghost> it's a feature 03:18:15 <glx> useful for newgrfs 03:18:27 <kkb110> aha 03:18:29 <glx> when you want to change station's style 03:18:47 <Belugas> if you have a sation build piece by piece, with no roof, and you want to add roofs, just click and drag the whole station and boom 03:18:58 <Belugas> credited and updated 03:19:10 <kkb110> yeah, it seems I can change the style 03:19:31 <glx> hmm it's late 03:19:36 * glx says good night 03:19:41 <Belugas> yup 03:19:42 <Belugas> me too 03:19:45 <Belugas> good night 03:19:55 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:fd2d:a0e9:3bd9:9262] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:38:54 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:42:54 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 04:11:28 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host81-129-81-243.range81-129.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:35:39 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has joined #openttd 06:59:45 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:23:00 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:23:19 <petern> "Passengers production at Senfield Oil Rig increases 100%! 07:25:51 <Gekz> lol? 07:25:56 <Gekz> are you serious? 07:27:13 <Gekz> I like it as a feature 07:27:30 <Alberth> from 1 to 2 passengers :) 07:27:40 <petern> yes gekz 07:27:58 <Gekz> cloning vats 07:28:01 <Gekz> in the oil rigs 07:28:03 <Gekz> it should be a feature 07:28:17 <petern> i wonder which senfield oil rig it is 07:28:19 <petern> there are two... 07:28:23 <Gekz> lol 07:28:36 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 07:31:29 <dihedral> morning lads 07:34:12 *** phidah [~phidah@1305ds3-oebr.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:36:31 <TrueBrain> morning all 07:41:08 *** phidah [~phidah@1305ds3-oebr.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 07:43:50 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:59:43 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 08:04:39 <Cybertinus> hi 08:05:23 <TrueBrain> hello Cybertinus 08:14:13 *** Amr0d [~Amr0d@f048120156.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 08:30:30 <dihedral> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=786341#p786341 <- lol 08:31:20 <Gekz> lol 08:31:33 <dihedral> more than 1 thing in there to be amused by :-P 08:31:40 <dihedral> 'the trunik' ^^ 08:31:45 <dihedral> *trunk 08:32:08 <Gekz> I think it's a good patch 08:32:28 <dihedral> 'trunk or a cheat' .... as cheats are not part of trunk? probably located in svn://svn.openttd.org/extra/cheats/ 08:32:46 <dihedral> and is there not much more that is considered other than 'good patch' ? 08:32:49 <TrueBrain> dihedral: what is wrong with 'trunk or a cheat' 08:32:53 <TrueBrain> we perfectly well understand what he means 08:32:59 <dihedral> it sounds funny 08:33:03 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 08:33:07 <Gekz> dihedral: it's a useful feature 08:33:12 <TrueBrain> not everyone is as good in English as you are! 08:33:16 <dihedral> Gekz, and how is it coded? 08:33:25 <Gekz> no idea. 08:33:26 <Gekz> you tell me 08:33:29 <dihedral> TrueBrain, never said that did i? 08:33:31 <TrueBrain> :) 08:33:51 <dihedral> and no, it assumes that trunk and cheats are separate! 08:33:55 <dihedral> :-P 08:34:00 <dihedral> which is what i find amusing :-P 08:34:12 <TrueBrain> we have a dutch verb for that: "mierenneuker" .. translated to "ant fucker" 08:34:18 <TrueBrain> doubt that has the same intentions :p 08:34:20 <dihedral> and last but not least: since when does that kiddo know what would be a prime candidate for trunk? :-D 08:34:21 <Gekz> I'm a native english speaker, and I saw nothing wrong with what he was saying 08:34:37 <dihedral> TrueBrain, LOL 08:35:02 <dihedral> Gekz, trunk is where the source is actively developed 08:35:08 <Gekz> I know what the trunk it 08:35:08 <dihedral> cheat is part of the source 08:35:09 <Gekz> is* 08:35:11 <Gekz> and he probably does too 08:35:27 <Gekz> I was understanding it as two separate "prime candidates" 08:35:27 <dihedral> doubt that :-P 08:35:36 <Gekz> first as a merged piece of code, and second as where it would be used in said code 08:35:46 <dihedral> what?? 08:35:47 <Gekz> or doesn't mean XOR 08:35:50 <Gekz> :P 08:36:07 <dihedral> go fuck ants :-P 08:36:09 <dihedral> ^^ 08:36:15 <dihedral> hihi 08:36:15 <TrueBrain> you are dihedral :) 08:36:16 <Gekz> I do regularly 08:36:24 <dihedral> SEE TrueBrain 08:36:27 <dihedral> :-P 08:43:03 *** Amr0d [~Amr0d@f048120156.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Amr0d] 08:52:26 <Cybertinus> when somebody is called a "mierenneuker", then that somebody pays way to much attention to little details that are wrong 08:52:39 <Cybertinus> it absolutely not a positive name to be called ;) 08:52:39 <TrueBrain> Cybertinus: no shit?! 08:52:55 <TrueBrain> I don't think there was any misunderstanding in that ;) :p 08:53:17 <TrueBrain> (mwhahahaha) 09:06:36 *** FR^2 [frr@frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 09:06:47 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm142.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 09:08:21 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g227041104.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 09:14:34 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1DD7E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:21:39 *** kingj is now known as KingJ 09:26:06 *** orava [~orava@a88-114-52-67.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 09:26:44 <el_en> KingJ: warning #2 09:27:26 <Forked> boioioing 09:31:16 <KingJ> el_en: ? 09:31:36 <el_en> KingJ: nick flood spam. 09:31:48 <TrueBrain> it is like kind of annoying 09:32:02 <KingJ> Did it change more than once? It should have just gone kingj > KingJ 09:32:37 <TrueBrain> and it goes back and forward over time 09:32:53 <TrueBrain> if you want to indicate your are not attached to your bouncer or what ever, use /away .. not a nick-change 09:32:54 <el_en> once is once too much. 09:33:15 <KingJ> Right, i'll disable that then 09:33:17 <TrueBrain> well, once is okay, but there are days he does it N times after eachotherr :p 09:34:06 <TrueBrain> it always does suprise me, that people don't understand that /away is to mark you as away :) My IRC client shows that very nice :) 09:34:22 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 09:34:39 <KingJ> Changed, you shouldn't see me change nick again on this network 09:34:49 * TrueBrain hugs KingJ :) 09:36:35 <Alberth> people even use /action for that 09:36:45 <TrueBrain> Alberth: that is a kick-ban here :) 09:36:54 <TrueBrain> (as you might hav enoticed ... nobody does that here :p) 09:37:30 * Eddi|zuHause noticed ;) 09:37:32 <Alberth> and that's how it should be imho. 09:37:54 <KingJ> If it happens agian, let me know 09:37:59 <TrueBrain> KingJ: will do, tnx :) 09:38:15 <TrueBrain> Alberth: it is like those people think they are VERY important, and they should let every one know how long they have been away and why they were gone :p 09:38:22 <TrueBrain> use Twitter for that, I think :p 09:38:37 <TrueBrain> (ghehe .. I hate Twitter .. who here uses Twitter? As I would love to know why the fuck any sane person would use it :p) 09:39:17 <Alberth> yeah, in a channel with 700+ people, nice (NOT!) 09:41:05 <Forked> there are no important people on irc (no offence intended, but.. :p) 09:41:15 <TrueBrain> you are absolutely right :) 09:41:31 <Forked> except me of course 09:41:37 <Forked> ya'll just don't know it ;D 09:41:38 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fd8d0.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 09:41:55 <Eddi|zuHause> by my experience, ALL people on IRC are "important" :p 09:42:13 <frosch123> especially those who idle 09:42:22 <TrueBrain> morning frosch123 09:42:35 <frosch123> morning TrueBrain :) 09:42:49 *** fjb [~frank@p5485DF5D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:42:55 <frosch123> moin fjb :) 09:42:58 <fjb> Hello 09:43:25 <fjb> Quak frosch123 :) 09:51:24 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm142.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 09:55:05 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm142.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 10:01:47 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has joined #openttd 10:10:30 *** orava [~orava@a88-114-52-67.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:17:26 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEceb0.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 10:19:39 <frosch123> so TrueBrain: shall AITileList_IndustryAccepting collect all tiles that accept at least one cargo, or those tiles that accept all cargos the industry needs 10:20:45 <TrueBrain> any, I say 10:20:51 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEceb0.bae.pppool.de] has quit [] 10:21:06 <Eddi|zuHause> since you cannot decide which cargo you want, i'd say all cargos 10:21:19 <TrueBrain> or maybe add a param to specify the cargo, and have an ANY_CARGO value 10:21:46 *** NightKhaos [~nightkhao@78-86-111-126.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:22:05 <frosch123> add a param? that is api breaking 10:22:24 <TrueBrain> yup .. but I guess changing the functionality is too .. although I wouldn't see how it works for anyone as it is :) 10:22:31 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db07059.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 10:22:34 <TrueBrain> btw, AIIndustry::IsCargoAccepted is closely related 10:23:17 <frosch123> how? that function does not use tiles 10:23:28 <TrueBrain> has a != 0 too 10:23:31 <TrueBrain> I meant it like that ;) 10:23:56 <TrueBrain> oh, nevermind 10:23:58 <TrueBrain> not related 10:24:01 <frosch123> there is no " != 0" in that function :p 10:24:02 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aeji3.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 10:24:21 <TrueBrain> I was looking with my ass :p 10:25:02 <TrueBrain> so maybe there is need for an additional class .. one that generates all, one that generates any 10:25:25 <TrueBrain> but I guess Yexo has a more up-to-date view about this :) 10:25:29 <frosch123> ..., one that generates those for a specific cargo 10:26:24 *** orava [~orava@a88-114-52-67.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 10:26:27 <frosch123> 2 days, 1 hour, 36 minutes, and 18 seconds ago: <Yexo> see you all in a few days 10:26:48 <TrueBrain> he is a man of his word :) 10:27:18 <frosch123> I take that as sunday or monday 10:27:41 <TrueBrain> might be a bit later, seen the days coming .. (4 may and 5 may are 'special' here :)) 10:33:40 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 10:35:22 <frosch123> fine, AITileList_IndustryProducing is on the safe side 10:39:14 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:39:20 *** Hirundo is now known as Swallow 10:40:25 <dihedral> <Cybertinus> [10:52:39] it absolutely not a positive name to be called ;) <- wow - that surprises me now ^^ 10:40:40 <Cybertinus> hehe :) 10:40:49 <Cybertinus> but, I'm offline now 10:40:55 <TrueBrain> no you are not :p 10:40:57 <Cybertinus> rebooting to Windows, gonna play a game ;) 10:40:59 <dihedral> apparently not ^^ 10:41:00 <dihedral> oh 10:41:03 <Cybertinus> I'm going offline now ;) 10:41:08 <dihedral> windows 10:41:08 <TrueBrain> enjoy your game :) 10:41:09 <dihedral> pfft 10:41:28 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 10:41:37 <Cybertinus> thnx TrueBrain 10:41:52 <Cybertinus> dihedral: the game I'm gonna play is going to work on LInux, I'm sure 10:42:11 <Cybertinus> the game itself is already ported to Linux, only the level editor (and that is what I'm gonna use now) isn't 10:42:21 <Cybertinus> so that is a matter of time 10:42:38 <dihedral> which game? 10:43:05 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:51:25 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 10:54:21 *** SmatZ is now known as Guest403 10:54:23 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 10:55:38 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:55:56 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:55:59 *** Guest403 is now known as SmatZ 10:58:05 *** Cybert1nus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 11:01:25 *** Cybert1nus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:04:19 <dihedral> looks like Cybertinus needs to learn how to boot to another system :-P 11:06:06 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db07059.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Quit: Bye] 11:19:03 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has quit [Quit: Bitches.] 11:19:10 <dihedral> trallalla 11:19:29 <TrueBrain> ieuw 11:19:29 *** NightKhaos [~nightkhao@78-86-111-126.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 11:19:31 *** Cybert1nus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 11:21:33 *** const86 [~const@62.106.104.10] has quit [Quit: I'll be back] 11:22:22 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81057.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:23:30 *** const86 [const@tower.mimas.ru] has joined #openttd 11:24:20 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81346.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:24:23 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 11:25:07 <dihedral> Cybert1nus, having issues booting to windows? 11:33:04 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.22.94.147] has joined #openttd 11:40:16 *** thingwath [~thingwath@morana.sks2.muni.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:40:57 *** Cybert1nus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:04:26 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 12:38:44 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host241-236-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 12:39:12 <Wolf01> aye aye 12:58:31 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-152-181.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 12:58:35 *** Cybert1nus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 12:59:58 *** thingwath [~thingwath@morana.sks2.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 13:05:13 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: alberth * r16200 /trunk/src/ (news_gui.cpp news_type.h): -Codechange: Moving news-type description to NewsTypeData array. 13:06:23 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:cd5c:9ab5:1979:b1b0] has joined #openttd 13:06:26 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:07:27 <Cybert1nus> dihedral: yeah :) 13:08:16 <Cybert1nus> dihedral: Windows is totally dead now. It couldn't find file during boot, even before the green blocks go from left to right ;) 13:08:57 <dihedral> and what did you try to fix it? 13:09:00 <Cybert1nus> dihedral: so I'm reinstalling it now, but I have some problem then too, so I'm booting LInux a few times, trying to solve them, and when I boot Linux, I have a join here (nothing I can do about that) 13:09:13 <Cybert1nus> dihedral: complete reinstall :) 13:09:31 <dihedral> and you can stop highlighting me, i know who you are talking to by now ^^ 13:09:48 <Cybert1nus> that installation needed to be reinstalled anyway (I even got a BSOD when I tried to run Windows Update :p) 13:09:50 <Cybert1nus> sry 13:10:12 <dihedral> my - you have issues ^^ 13:10:37 <Cybert1nus> and now I can't find the key for that Windows CD :/ 13:10:39 <dihedral> there are things one can do to fix windows without reinstall :-P 13:11:01 <Cybert1nus> true, but those generally take more time then a reinstall 13:11:24 <Cybert1nus> and I don't have any data in Windows, just a few games (and I don't care about the save-games ;) ) 13:11:28 <Cybert1nus> nothing more 13:11:34 <Cybert1nus> al my important data is in Linux 13:13:45 <glx> be sure to keep a way to boot to linux before reinstalling windows :) 13:13:55 <Cybert1nus> yup 13:14:11 <Cybert1nus> that way is called System Rescue CD ;) 13:14:23 <Cybert1nus> just a live CD I use to reinstall grub to my MBR 13:15:03 <glx> I use ntloader for os selection :) 13:20:44 <dihedral> glx, you do? 13:20:49 <dihedral> uh... 13:20:49 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@f051023144.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 13:25:25 <TrueBrain> ntloader is as good as any other ;) 13:25:49 <TrueBrain> (nah, that isn't true :) gdb is more useful ;)) 13:25:53 <TrueBrain> gdb = grub 13:25:55 <TrueBrain> lol 13:26:31 * frosch123 prefers lilo-text 13:26:44 <TrueBrain> grub-dos for my USB stick rules :) 13:26:50 <TrueBrain> allows me to load an ISO in ram and boot from it :) 13:28:02 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g227041104.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:28:02 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 13:35:42 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81346.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Icebears are cute. Please, take care of them!] 13:43:45 <welshdragon> where can i find the openttd directory in ubuntu? 13:44:04 <Alberth> ~/.openttd, or read the do-not-readme file 13:44:16 <welshdragon> i can't find the readme 13:44:37 <Alberth> find / -iname readme -print 13:45:00 <Alberth> hmm, slightly better: "find / -iname "*readme*" -print 13:45:05 <TrueBrain> lets hope he doesn't have 100000 files of porn :) 13:45:41 <Alberth> those would be called '*viewme*' no? 13:45:58 <TrueBrain> hehe :) I was more refering to the time 'find' will take ;) 13:46:45 <welshdragon> it took millisewconds 13:46:55 <welshdragon> but returned no results 13:47:06 <welshdragon> relating to openttd 13:47:10 <TrueBrain> it always takes milliseconds .. the question just is: how many ;) 13:47:12 <TrueBrain> ghehehe 13:47:54 <Xaroth> apt-get install openttd; locate openttd ? 13:48:02 <welshdragon> found it 13:48:10 <Xaroth> or apt-get install openttd; updatedb; locate openttd; 13:48:13 <Xaroth> then watch the spam 13:48:21 <TrueBrain> hmm .. spam .. 13:48:24 <TrueBrain> I am hungry :) 13:48:36 <welshdragon> /home/user/.openttd 13:48:56 <TrueBrain> yeah, what Alberth told you from the start 13:48:58 <TrueBrain> very well done 13:49:36 <welshdragon> hehe 13:49:46 <welshdragon> now i need to transfer the data files across 13:50:23 <Alberth> insert cd ; mount ; copy files :p 13:50:48 <welshdragon> i'm going to do it off my installation 13:51:23 <welshdragon> plus it's a netbook, they don't have cd drives 13:51:52 <Alberth> put as USB stick ; insert stick ; mount ; copy files :p 13:52:03 <Alberth> s/as/at a/ 13:52:26 *** Cybert1nus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:52:34 <dihedral> welshdragon has never heard of usb cdrom ? :-P 13:53:21 <welshdragon> hehe 13:53:22 <Alberth> install windows NFS server ; mount NFS over network ; copy files :p 13:53:45 <welshdragon> or i could bluetooth them 13:54:03 <Alberth> nah, too easy :) 13:54:21 <welshdragon> hehe 13:54:56 <TrueBrain> scp -r user@oldlocation:~/.openttd/* ~/.openttd/ 13:54:59 <TrueBrain> no mounting at all! 13:55:06 <Xaroth> scp ftw 13:55:22 <glx> only if source is not windows 13:55:22 <Alberth> Xaroth: secure copy (over ssh) 13:55:32 <Xaroth> Alberth: i said ftw not wtf :P 13:55:50 <Xaroth> glx: winSCP works quite well.. but it can be dodgy from time to time 13:55:59 <TrueBrain> WinSCP is SLOW as hell 13:56:03 <TrueBrain> well .. all Windows transfers are 13:56:22 *** Cybertinus [~tijn@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 13:56:22 <TrueBrain> I have no idea how Windows manages that .. but you can't have normal transfer speeds :( Ever! 13:56:25 <glx> winscp works well, but TrueBrain's command was the other way raound 13:56:54 <TrueBrain> glx: install sshd on windows! :) (via Cygwin) 13:57:08 <TrueBrain> but okay .. the location is mostly broken ;) 13:57:13 <glx> I won't install cygwin (it breaks my mingw/msys install) 13:57:24 <Alberth> Xaroth: that was a new term for me. 13:57:32 <Xaroth> for the win, not what the fuck :P 13:58:21 <dihedral> win the for 13:58:47 <Xaroth> heh 14:04:09 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 14:07:16 *** Cybert1nus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 14:12:29 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm142.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:14:51 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has joined #openttd 14:16:49 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 14:27:36 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81346.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 14:27:39 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 14:32:31 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aeji3.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 14:33:11 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81346.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Icebears are cute. Please, take care of them!] 14:34:14 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 14:36:16 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has joined #openttd 14:40:53 <Chruker> So is this the place where devs talk about AI's? 14:41:08 <Progman> yes 14:41:17 <Progman> #openttd.noai (iirc) 14:41:17 <glx> there or #openttd.noai 14:42:11 <glx> anyway the most AI aware dev is not here 14:42:21 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has joined #openttd 14:43:35 <Chruker> thanks 14:45:21 <glx> but you can ask and hope for a reply (if someone knows the answer :) ) 14:46:18 *** Cybert1nus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:47:50 <Chruker> I've just been messing around with making my own AI, and thought I might just as well go hang out with the devs :-) 14:48:27 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81346.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 14:48:30 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 14:56:55 *** batti5 [~batti5@92.82.69.174] has joined #openttd 14:57:29 *** Booth [~Booth@82-32-210-243.cable.ubr07.newt.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:00:38 *** kkb110 [~kkb110@c-68-82-181-52.hsd1.de.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:01:22 <Booth> this is a very dead channel 15:01:36 <TrueBrain> after 4 minutes you make that conclusion 15:02:06 <TrueBrain> on the other hand .. you did absolutely nothing to make this channel less dead 15:02:11 <TrueBrain> like saying something like: hello! 15:02:17 <Booth> if you sat in a room full of people for 4 minutes with no talk 15:02:21 <TrueBrain> but oh well .. I think we continue to the dead mode 15:02:24 <Booth> what would youthink? 15:03:15 <glx> 4 minutes is not long 15:03:26 <glx> it can be silent for hours :) 15:03:26 <Chruker> I'm pretty used to dev channels, and the silence they can have... 15:03:37 <TrueBrain> glx: it is if you are desperate for a bit attention ;) 15:03:49 <glx> and the other way is true too 15:03:58 <glx> sometimes there is too much speak 15:04:08 <glx> especially in the middle of the night 15:10:21 <TrueBrain> I hate it that the specs of the 8086 does not comply with the asm in applications and games 15:10:32 <TrueBrain> 0x82 is not a valid opcode (as it is identical to 0x80) .. yet it is used a lot :( 15:12:11 <SmatZ> it's valid opcode 15:12:23 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: Intel tells me otherwise! :) 15:12:28 <TrueBrain> (and hi SmatZ :)) 15:12:31 <Chruker> 8086 as in the 16 bit CPU form the early 80s ? 15:12:57 <SmatZ> maybe it's invalid in 64bit mode 15:13:11 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: no, I am not talking about 64bit .. I am talking about the 8086 specs :) 15:13:19 <TrueBrain> Chruker: make that 1995, and yes 15:13:48 <SmatZ> in that case... 15:13:58 <SmatZ> there are some often used "undocumented" opcode 15:13:59 <SmatZ> s 15:14:05 <SmatZ> like, ffreep 15:14:07 <Chruker> in 1995 the CPUs were 80486 15:14:31 <SmatZ> in 1995, there were Pentiums 15:14:37 <SmatZ> for long time :) 15:14:37 <TrueBrain> Chruker: from one day on the other they all changed? :p Ghehe :) 15:14:45 *** HackaLittleBit [~Hack@195-23-22-249.net.novis.pt] has joined #openttd 15:15:02 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: problem about 0x82 in this case is, that it took me a long time before I found out it is identical to 0x80 15:15:08 <TrueBrain> and that just annoys me :) 15:15:19 <TrueBrain> the XOR table shows 0x80, 0x81, and 0x83 .. but not 0x82 15:15:35 <SmatZ> hehe 15:15:44 <SmatZ> 0x82 does "sign extension" for byte to byte ;) 15:15:46 <TrueBrain> when you check the bitfields, you see that the last bit is sign-extension .. which is silly for byte to byte (which 0x82 is) 15:15:49 <TrueBrain> exactly ... 15:15:51 <SmatZ> but it's valid 15:16:00 <SmatZ> but I am downloading the specs :) 15:16:02 <TrueBrain> well, not by the specs directly ... it is just not invalid :( 15:16:03 <Eddi|zuHause> <Chruker> in 1995 the CPUs were 80486 <- the used processor and the target architecture of the compiler are only loosely related 15:16:40 <TrueBrain> Chruker: up to 1994/1995 a lot of games appear to be 16bit 80-386 code .. most even in Real Mode 15:16:49 <TrueBrain> after that it becomes Protected Mode and 32bit 15:16:49 <Eddi|zuHause> even though today many processors are i686 architecture, many programs are still compiled for i386 15:17:23 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, i remember that time 15:17:33 <TrueBrain> 64bit OSes are the first OSes which do not allow switching to real mode via a virtual layer .... I had to find that out the hard way :p 15:17:40 <TrueBrain> 32bit OSes with a 64bit CPU still allow it though .. 15:17:46 <Eddi|zuHause> programs that generally started with the message "dos4gw protected mode" or something 15:17:50 <TrueBrain> so I guess it is still actual ;) 15:18:26 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: http://pdos.csail.mit.edu/6.828/2004/readings/i386/XOR.htm 15:18:39 <TrueBrain> the Intel PDF shows the same info 15:19:09 <SmatZ> TrueBrain: have a look at opcode map 15:19:22 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: that is my point! There you have to find out, in a small table far far far far far far away 15:19:24 <TrueBrain> via bits 15:19:24 <glx> I have a lot of dos4gw games ;) 15:19:28 <TrueBrain> that 0x82 is 'allowed' 15:19:30 <TrueBrain> just not 'documented' 15:19:45 <TrueBrain> reminds me of THHGTTG ... 15:19:57 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: the was was true for 'repne stosb' 15:20:10 <TrueBrain> it is not 'documented', but it is 'valid' and identical to 'rep stosb' 15:20:11 <SmatZ> TrueBrain: there are more ways to encode several instructions 15:20:18 <SmatZ> but only one is mentioned :) 15:20:31 <TrueBrain> 0x82 === 0x80 ... so why doesn't the whole world just use 0x80 15:20:36 <SmatZ> like, push&pop with some operands 15:20:39 <TrueBrain> there is absolutely no reason to use 0x82 :( 15:20:52 <SmatZ> hehe 15:20:54 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: in most cases all alternatives are described 15:21:17 <Eddi|zuHause> i remember that dos4gw games often were unstable 15:21:21 <glx> the old time you had to have a different autoexec.bat/config.sys for each game 15:21:27 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: lilttle to do with 'dos4gw' 15:21:30 <SmatZ> in most cases, ther eis only one way how to code it ;) 15:21:30 <Eddi|zuHause> but it might have been because of novell dos 15:21:34 <TrueBrain> it is just a simple lib which puts the app in protected mode :) 15:22:04 <TrueBrain> but yes, protected mode 'crashes' more often, as it doesn't allow a few things real mode allows :p 15:22:13 <SmatZ> FF /6 PUSH r/m16 Push r/m16 15:22:18 <SmatZ> 50+rw PUSH r16 Push r16 15:22:25 <SmatZ> you are right, both ways are documented here :) 15:22:29 <TrueBrain> :) 15:22:35 <Eddi|zuHause> it would often clash with emm386 15:22:42 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: understand my frustration? :p 15:22:58 <SmatZ> TrueBrain: sure :) I have undergone the same process ;) 15:22:58 *** const86 [const@tower.mimas.ru] has quit [Quit: I'll be back] 15:23:00 <glx> Eddi|zuHause: don't forget himem.sys :) 15:23:10 <SmatZ> himem.sys doesn't use PM 15:23:13 <SmatZ> emm386 does 15:23:16 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: the main thing that annoys me that it take ages to be 100% sure they are identical ... 15:23:22 <Eddi|zuHause> novell's himem.sys was often better 15:23:53 <TrueBrain> Protected Mode is so normal nowedays, that we don't even realise we have it :p 15:24:01 <SmatZ> hehe 15:24:05 <Eddi|zuHause> that was the time where i set up multiple config.sys/autoexec.bat depending on which game i wanted to play 15:24:14 <frosch123> TrueBrain: you can realise it with every segfault :p 15:24:24 <TrueBrain> frosch123: null-references ;) 15:24:25 <glx> <TrueBrain> Protected Mode is so normal nowedays, that we don't even realise we have it :p <-- same for "insane" memory amounts ;) 15:25:46 <glx> all the workarounds needed to use more than 640KB 15:26:04 <TrueBrain> more than 1MB was a real issue 15:26:21 <TrueBrain> (as in: not possible in real mode .. simply no way :p) 15:26:42 <glx> having enough free mem in the 640KB block was already a hell 15:26:47 <Forked> I seem to recall a product named Quarterdeck Extended Memory Mananger.. saved me a few times :o 15:27:00 <glx> even when putting TSR in "high" memory 15:27:35 <frosch123> TrueBrain: 1MB + 64kB - 16 :p 15:27:42 <TrueBrain> frosch123: ;) 15:28:28 *** Wolle [DrJekyll@p57B0EBDC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:28:58 <glx> I'm quite sure now, most PC users don't know what IRQ is :) 15:29:42 <Eddi|zuHause> reminds me of the times where you had to teach each game individually how to talk to your sound card 15:29:53 <glx> 220 300 5 ;) 15:30:08 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: and I am sure 90% never knew what they did .. just knew how to do it :p 15:30:58 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-13-27-15.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 15:33:48 *** DR_Jekyll [DrJekyll@p57B0C4C8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:35:47 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-13-27-15.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [] 15:36:10 *** HackaLittleBit [~Hack@195-23-22-249.net.novis.pt] has left #openttd [] 15:36:18 *** Wolle [DrJekyll@p57B0EBDC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: http://www.lagerwiki.de - das Wiki rund um's Thema Lager und Logistik] 15:37:50 *** const86 [const@tower.mimas.ru] has joined #openttd 15:42:20 <SmatZ> [17:29:57] <glx> 220 300 5 ;) <== what about the DMA channel? ;) 15:42:34 <glx> ha yes I forgot it :) 15:42:47 <frosch123> why do you have two ports? 15:42:53 <SmatZ> sfx + midi? 15:43:06 <glx> sound and music yes 15:44:01 <Cybertinus> and then came AC'97 15:44:12 <Cybertinus> maked it a lot simpler :) 15:44:12 <Eddi|zuHause> i vaguely remember there being a low dma and a high dma 15:44:23 <SmatZ> Cybertinus: how did it make things simpler? 15:44:23 <frosch123> hmm, I have "set blaster=A220 I5 D1 H5 T4" 15:44:27 <SmatZ> hehe 15:44:27 <Eddi|zuHause> something like "220 330 5 1 5" 15:44:34 <frosch123> what the heck is the T :s 15:44:39 <SmatZ> type? 15:44:47 <SmatZ> what is H? 15:44:52 <frosch123> 16bit dma or so 15:44:55 <glx> yes 15:45:43 <glx> Cybertinus: not sure AC'97 is simpler for dos games 15:48:19 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't find my old sound blaster manual 15:48:44 <Eddi|zuHause> afaik the card is still installed in a computer 15:53:40 <Eddi|zuHause> i also vaguely remember my card had 512k memory for loading gm samples, but i never figured out how to use that 15:57:24 <SmatZ> I have a card with ability to insert SIMM32... 15:57:44 <SmatZ> probably for the same purpose 15:58:12 <SmatZ> maybe some games were able to use it - if you told it it's sb AWE, it loaded samles to that memory 15:58:17 <SmatZ> speeding things up :) 16:05:05 <Eddi|zuHause> i remember there was a special patch for civ 1 to teach it the use of AWE32 16:05:36 <frosch123> civ 1? is awe32 that old? 16:05:37 <Eddi|zuHause> the music was suddenly better by an order of magnitude 16:05:42 <glx> patches were rare at this time :) 16:06:05 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't know, it could have been a patch that was delivered with the sound card? 16:06:10 <frosch123> I do not remember civ 1 had sound at all :s 16:06:17 <glx> now games need patches, just to work 16:06:25 <Eddi|zuHause> i have no idea where i could get patches from elsewhere 16:07:09 <TrueBrain> getting patches back then was HARD! 16:07:17 <glx> BBS ;) 16:07:37 <glx> hmm no that was for piracy :) 16:07:51 <SmatZ> :-D 16:07:52 <TrueBrain> I didn't had Internet till 1998 :p 16:08:04 <Eddi|zuHause> i think i set mine up in 2000 16:08:14 <SmatZ> I got CIVV05.zip here ;) (civ patch ;) 16:08:40 <Eddi|zuHause> strangely, i always had a supply of games before the internet 16:08:51 <SmatZ> :) 16:09:02 <TrueBrain> Twilights, I had ;) 16:09:08 <SmatZ> hehe 16:09:35 <frosch123> hmm, the civ1 soundtrack is quite crappy 16:09:54 <Eddi|zuHause> my father occationally brought home games... 16:10:06 <glx> first MS product I "copied" was MultiPlan on CPC 6128 16:11:40 <Eddi|zuHause> one of the first game that i had original was Siedler 1, i think 16:11:44 <SmatZ> why "copied"? you helped the software to reproduce ;) 16:12:19 <TrueBrain> hmm .. first legal game ... can't remember :p 16:12:25 <TrueBrain> my brother did buy a few 16:12:31 <TrueBrain> the first game which came on 7 CDs!! :p 16:12:39 <SmatZ> 8-) 16:12:44 <Eddi|zuHause> wtf? 16:13:05 <Eddi|zuHause> i hardly remember games which had 2 CDs 16:13:10 <TrueBrain> was a thriller game ... 16:13:12 <SmatZ> I had lands of lore and atlantis, both at 4CDs... 7CDs is crazy! ;) 16:13:14 <glx> myst? 16:13:17 <TrueBrain> something with a P 16:13:21 <TrueBrain> can't remember the name .. long :p 16:13:30 <TrueBrain> pentablabla 16:13:35 <frosch123> wing commander does not start with P 16:13:40 <SmatZ> :-D 16:13:43 <TrueBrain> lol @ frosch123 16:13:52 <Eddi|zuHause> monkey island 1 came on 4 5Œ" disks 16:13:53 <TrueBrain> Phen ... 16:13:58 <TrueBrain> hmm .. no, don't remember 16:14:03 <Wolf01> I know only sanitarium which came with a large number of cds, maybe 8 16:14:21 <SmatZ> Phantasmagoria 16:14:22 <Eddi|zuHause> was fun with the "please insert disk X" prompts inbetween 16:14:33 <TrueBrain> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantasmagoria_(computer_game) 16:14:47 <SmatZ> :-) 16:14:56 <glx> on amstrad it was "please return disk" :) 16:15:00 <Eddi|zuHause> there was an easteregg, where you could crawl into the woods, and it would ask for stuff like "disk 124" 16:15:04 <TrueBrain> my google search was "pc game 7 cd horror" <- lol :) 16:15:12 <SmatZ> :-D 16:15:21 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: ah, missed that you said it too :) hehehehe :) 16:15:37 <TrueBrain> I wasn;t allow to play that game ... I was little :) 16:15:52 <Eddi|zuHause> i remember i had huge problems getting my first CD drive to work 16:16:16 <Eddi|zuHause> my computer only had 1 IDE port, and already 2 HDs on it 16:16:25 <Eddi|zuHause> and it only had vertical 5Œ" slots 16:16:30 <glx> you bought an ide controller? 16:17:02 <Eddi|zuHause> i think we ended up temporarily disconnecting one HD 16:17:22 <Eddi|zuHause> after we figured out that the CD drive would not work on the sound card cd port 16:18:07 <glx> ha right sound cards had CD port 16:18:10 <Eddi|zuHause> and the tower ended up lying on the ground 16:19:25 <Sacro> creative did a sound card that had an IDE port on it 16:19:27 <TrueBrain> my father bought a double speed cdrom player!!!!! :p 16:19:47 <Eddi|zuHause> we had a triple speed ;) 16:19:56 *** phidah [~phidah@1305ds3-oebr.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:24:22 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.170.193] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:27:45 *** phidah [~phidah@1305ds3-oebr.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 16:33:52 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: alberth * r16201 /trunk/src/ (widget.cpp widget_type.h): -Codechange: Add NWidgetBase::SetPadding method. 16:37:54 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5C034.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 16:38:44 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 16:40:38 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: alberth * r16202 /trunk/src/news_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Use widget top coordinate instead of hardcoded value. 16:45:14 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: alberth * r16203 /trunk/src/news_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Simplify widget layout of news settings window. 16:52:33 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: alberth * r16204 /trunk/src/news_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Completing widget numbers of news settings window. 16:59:42 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1DD7E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:01:08 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: alberth * r16205 /trunk/src/news_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Added nested widgets for news windows and news-settings window. 17:01:19 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 17:05:30 <dihedral> would anybody use software maintained by someone who has not the slightest clue of what he is doing? 17:05:58 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5C034.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 17:06:16 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5C034.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 17:11:10 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet578.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 17:11:18 <Xaroth> dihedral: people do, it's called windows... 17:12:00 <frosch123> it only depends on how long that software already exists. for software of certain age it is just normal that noone has a clue 17:12:24 <dihedral> i mean maintained, not coded by :-P 17:12:36 <dihedral> and i was referring to something closer to this community :-P 17:12:58 *** thingwath [~thingwath@morana.sks2.muni.cz] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 17:13:29 *** KenjiE20 is now known as Guest430 17:13:30 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.22.94.147] has joined #openttd 17:13:34 <Eddi|zuHause> yes. we know you are referring to your special friend :p 17:14:02 *** thingwath [~thingwath@morana.sks2.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 17:14:06 *** Guest430 [~KenjiE20@92.22.94.147] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:18:08 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fd8d0.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:20:22 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has quit [Quit: Bitches.] 17:25:06 *** orava [~orava@a88-114-52-67.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:27:23 <dihedral> Eddi|zuHause, ^^ 17:29:18 *** orava [~orava@a88-114-52-67.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 17:33:06 *** davis- [~iloveme@p5B28DE97.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:35:39 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aeji3.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 17:36:18 *** Laurens [~Laurens@ip255-198-208-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 17:36:32 <Laurens> hi guys 17:36:43 <TrueBrain> hello Laurens 17:36:51 <Laurens> :P 17:38:47 *** Cybertinus [~tijn@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 17:38:56 <Laurens> yesterday evening there was a memorial service, and there was a couple of minutes silence, and just at that moment, a freaking ambulance came along! very much people were crying :S 17:40:26 *** davis` [~iloveme@p5B28F5B7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:40:29 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: translators * r16206 /trunk/src/lang/ (german.txt korean.txt): 17:40:29 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2009-05-02 17:39:59 17:40:29 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: german - 10 changed by planetmaker (10) 17:40:29 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: korean - 30 fixed, 2 changed by leejaeuk5 (32) 17:41:05 <Eddi|zuHause> and why should that be of interest for us? 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And the magnifier isnt the way either. 20:00:51 <Chruker> currently I'm running the game window in 1280x1024, on a 24" monitor (1920x1200) 20:01:03 <TrueBrain> luxary problem 20:01:18 <Chruker> indeed, but still :-) 20:01:20 * frosch123 would press ctrl-alt-kp_minus 20:01:34 <frosch123> but that does not seem to help you :p 20:01:41 <Wolf01> once a wise guy told me to move the head until it reaches the screen 20:01:50 <Chruker> lol 20:03:37 <Wolf01> too bad that guy was anything but wise, now I've a bad headache and my eyes become pixelate like a fly 20:13:46 <SmatZ> hahaha 20:15:43 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEceb0.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 20:20:13 *** Icewing [~Icewing@bonn-5d81c690.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 20:22:38 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aeji23.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 20:24:36 <dihedral> Wolf01, nice one :-) 20:24:39 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEceb0.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:35:44 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:41:55 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@f051023144.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 20:49:02 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051023144.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:49:02 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 20:53:04 *** Klanticus_ [~quassel@143.107.231.49] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:53:41 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:55:15 * TrueBrain is happy :) 20:55:26 * TrueBrain loves to do things that seem impossible 20:55:40 <frosch123> are you playing alleycat now? 20:55:47 <TrueBrain> nah 20:55:51 <TrueBrain> long way for that 20:56:13 <TrueBrain> but today I managed to produce code in segments .. where each segment is like a function :) 20:56:27 <TrueBrain> that makes everything much more readable afterwards, and allows the way to convert asm to real C :) 20:56:37 <TrueBrain> allows = opens 20:57:59 <TrueBrain> anyway, going to play a real game now :) Night all! 21:00:05 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 21:07:59 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:10:43 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Quit: AS A VAGINA ONCE SAID: <yorick> SOMEONE BAN HIM] 21:16:57 <Wolf01> 'night 21:17:08 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host241-236-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:20:45 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 21:25:09 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81346.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:26:07 <oskari89> Hmm.. 21:26:29 <oskari89> Could there be several types of level crossings? (Graphically) ? 21:27:06 <oskari89> Ex. Unguarded and guarded. Still road vehicles stop when train goes to crossing. 21:27:23 <oskari89> And types user specified. 21:31:30 <welshdragon> oskari89: i don't see why not 21:32:24 <welshdragon> oskari89: http://grfcrawler.tt-forums.net/details.php?do=details&id=56 < like that? 21:34:48 <el_en> Wolf01 is one of the previously mentioned important ones. 21:38:20 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:42:12 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81346.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:42:15 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 21:42:32 *** UFO64 [~jmurray@141.114.218.221] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:50:22 *** Icewing [~Icewing@bonn-5d81c690.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:52:13 <oskari89> Welshdragon: Well, just like that, but player should decide whether level crossing would be guarded or unguarded. 21:52:19 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5C034.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:53:59 *** kkb110 [~kkb110@c-68-82-181-52.hsd1.de.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:54:08 <welshdragon> oskari89: create a patch then! 21:54:53 <oskari89> Hmm... 21:55:15 <oskari89> I have no previous coding experience.. 21:55:39 <oskari89> How difficult it would be to code one? 21:56:08 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-152-181.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:56:26 <welshdragon> you need to know C++ 21:58:44 <oskari89> Ok. 21:58:56 <el_en> too difficult. 21:58:56 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:58:58 <oskari89> And learning that takes some weeks? :P 21:59:19 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 21:59:25 <oskari89> Why too difficult? I don't see why. 22:03:58 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1DD7E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:05:46 <el_en> OpenTTD code is not beginner-friendly. 22:09:43 <SmatZ> I don't agree 22:09:55 <SmatZ> it's nicely documented 22:10:03 <SmatZ> and uses very readable coding style 22:10:24 <SmatZ> I think it's hard to find project more beginner-friednly 22:10:35 <SmatZ> of course OTTD isn't a simple project :) 22:10:46 <frosch123> what code is 'beginner'-friendly? a program consisting of one files with 20 lines of code? 22:11:19 <SmatZ> "Hello world" 22:11:39 <frosch123> gnu hello is not very beginner friendly 22:14:35 *** fjb_ [~frank@p5485D422.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:15:52 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-69-0-3.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:18:54 *** fjb [~frank@p5485DF5D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:19:03 <Xaroth> oskari89: learning C/C++ takes years, not weeks. 22:20:23 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1DD7E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:21:56 <frosch123> you can learn c++ in weeks if you know other languages :) 22:24:50 <frosch123> night 22:24:54 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fd8d0.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:30:05 <Eddi|zuHause> learning programming takes years 22:30:23 <Eddi|zuHause> learning C/C++ once you can program is a peace of cake 22:32:09 <fjb_> You will never learn anything as you don't start to learn anything. 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