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09:48:59 *** z-MaTRiX [~matrix@nude.lesbianbath.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:55:00 *** Zorn [~zorn@e177227116.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:58:09 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:01:07 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db0787f.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 10:07:14 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 10:12:53 <petern> @seen celestar 10:12:53 <DorpsGek> petern: celestar was last seen in #openttd 3 weeks, 3 days, 2 hours, 14 minutes, and 17 seconds ago: <Celestar> morning 10:13:21 *** tomahawk [~tomahawk@acta132.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 10:17:38 *** tomahawk [~tomahawk@acta132.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:23:35 *** DJNekkid [~tmsmje@static128-249.adsl.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:26:24 *** weasel [~weasel@weasel.noc.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 10:26:41 *** weasel [~weasel@weasel.noc.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 10:30:54 *** phidah [~phidah@1305ds3-oebr.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 10:31:18 <ccfreak2k> Would it make economic sense to have to buy cargo from primary/intermediate industries as opposed to them just giving it away? 10:31:31 <planetmaker> no 10:31:39 <planetmaker> you're a transport company. Not a dealer 10:32:03 <planetmaker> you're paid for transportation, not for selling goods 10:36:16 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F5C2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:43:00 *** reldred [~reldred@115.131.198.91] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:44:25 <petern> planetmaker, wait, didn't you know you were selling people? 10:45:26 <planetmaker> damn. 10:45:35 <planetmaker> I knew I did something wrong. 10:50:47 *** DJNekkid [~tmsmje@static128-249.adsl.no] has joined #openttd 10:56:31 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-24-144-96.winn.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 10:58:36 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:00:39 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 11:02:35 <Alberth> now I understand why I get the money after the journey instead of before. 11:03:21 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:03:42 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 11:13:45 *** reldred [~richard@115.131.208.26] has joined #openttd 11:20:58 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:21:20 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 11:21:31 <ccfreak2k> Since I moved grain/livestock to factories and then the resulting goods to cities, I thought I was selling hamburgers. 11:21:42 <ccfreak2k> I never knew the livestock was HUMAN livestock. 11:21:44 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:23:47 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 11:24:58 <petern> ... 11:25:32 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: alberth * r16317 /trunk/src/ (window.cpp window_gui.h): -Codechange: Generalized finding a widget by type. 11:31:43 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.18.187.6] has joined #openttd 11:37:11 <planetmaker> ccfreak2k: so the postal company of yours buys your letters and then sells them to people? 11:37:14 * planetmaker wonders 11:37:54 *** Zorn [~zorn@e177224144.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 11:38:26 <ccfreak2k> I'm pretty sure our postal system isn't privatized. 11:39:05 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 11:39:14 <petern> so DHL buys your parcel and sells it on? 11:39:39 <Alberth> only to the right person :p 11:40:17 <ccfreak2k> Hmm, no, I don't think they would. 11:40:53 <SpComb> in TTD, they'll apparently just give them to an arbitrary person, based on the destination of the first vehicle that they'll fit on 11:41:11 <SpComb> must simplify their processes quite a bit 11:41:38 <ccfreak2k> Yeah, the citizens don't seem to care whose letter they get. 11:41:57 <ccfreak2k> The passengers don't care about their destination either I think. 11:42:18 <petern> @seen celestar 11:42:18 <DorpsGek> petern: celestar was last seen in #openttd 3 weeks, 3 days, 3 hours, 43 minutes, and 42 seconds ago: <Celestar> morning 11:42:23 <De_Ghosty> lol 11:42:27 <De_Ghosty> [07:21:09] <ccfreak2k> Since I moved grain/livestock to factories and then the resulting goods to cities, I thought I was selling hamburgers. 11:42:27 <De_Ghosty> [07:21:20] <ccfreak2k> I never knew the livestock was HUMAN livestock. 11:42:30 <De_Ghosty> that is lulz 11:42:34 <petern> aww, 40 minutes and 39 seconds too late :s 11:43:23 <SpComb> you can try again in just under three months 11:43:51 <De_Ghosty> lol 11:44:07 *** Cybert1nus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 11:44:13 <Alberth> slightly more than a week is also possible 11:44:15 <ccfreak2k> Pending your resubmission of your Application to Comment on a Humorous Statement. 11:45:01 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:45:26 <ccfreak2k> Ah, the letter carrying is more akin to COD I think. 11:47:18 *** Brianetta 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<Guest2468> is it possible in openttd to let a station "forget" her freigth-types? 12:25:05 <Guest2468> Like resetstation in ttdpatch? 12:25:50 <Alberth> there is a patch floating around, but it is not in the game 12:26:03 <Guest2468> so i have to rebuild the station? :( ? 12:26:10 <Alberth> yes 12:26:25 *** Guest2468 [~Administr@95.223.43.224] has left #openttd [Leaving.] 12:26:33 <Alberth> hmm, that was quick 12:27:39 *** DJNekkid [~tmsmje@static128-249.adsl.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:29:22 *** kkb110 [~kkb110@c-68-82-181-52.hsd1.de.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:29:45 *** kkb110 [~kkb110@c-68-82-181-52.hsd1.de.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 12:32:55 *** george__ [~chatzilla@cpc4-mars1-0-0-cust130.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 12:33:28 <george__> what code is OTT ritan in? 12:33:31 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590c0ee8.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 12:34:11 *** george__ [~chatzilla@cpc4-mars1-0-0-cust130.midd.cable.ntl.com] has quit 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z-MaTRiX [~matrix@nude.lesbianbath.com] has joined #openttd 16:55:42 <z-MaTRiX> hai 17:06:04 <Xaroth> hm, is BaNaNaS down? 17:10:06 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db0787f.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Quit: gn8] 17:13:16 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEe0a9.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 17:23:17 <glx> Xaroth: retry 17:23:46 <Eddi|zuHause> <ccfreak2k> Would it make economic sense to have to buy cargo from primary/intermediate industries as opposed to them just giving it away? <- each time i read that idea, i come to the conclusion that it's a horrible concept 17:24:28 <glx> why buy when you are supposed to only transport stuff ? 17:24:45 <Eddi|zuHause> this is a transport game. the focus should be logistics, not trade 17:25:19 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't care for who pays for what 17:25:56 <Eddi|zuHause> i get a package A, and have to get told to bring it to B. 17:26:13 <Eddi|zuHause> that's all that the game should be about 17:27:46 *** HackaBit [~HackaLitt@195-23-22-136.net.novis.pt] has joined #openttd 17:27:53 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:27:58 <Xaroth> glx: nothing 17:28:08 <z-MaTRiX> just gave a computer a hot shower, am ? cool? 17:28:24 <z-MaTRiX> it was freezing 17:29:08 <Xaroth> glx: testing from autottd, connection gets made, request gets sent out, but no data returned 17:29:49 *** Noldo [vheino@jumi.lut.fi] has quit [Server closed connection] 17:29:51 *** Noldo [vheino@jumi.lut.fi] has joined #openttd 17:30:11 <glx> Xaroth: works for me after many retrys 17:30:39 <Xaroth> odd 17:31:07 <Xaroth> probably got firewalled after testing autottd a few times :/ 17:32:27 <glx> but the server seems to be slow (I try to get some content but download doesn't start 17:32:46 *** HackaLittleBit [~HackaLitt@195-23-22-212.net.novis.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:32:55 <Xaroth> hm 17:36:12 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: translators * r16319 /trunk/src/lang/ (6 files): 17:36:12 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2009-05-16 17:35:44 17:36:12 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: arabic_egypt - 1 fixed by khaloofah (1) 17:36:12 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: english_US - 24 fixed by WhiteRabbit (24) 17:36:12 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: esperanto - 6 fixed by maristo (6) 17:36:13 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: german - 1 changed by planetmaker (1) 17:36:13 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: welsh - 9 fixed by welshdragon (9) 17:36:31 <Sacro> welsh eh 17:36:35 <Sacro> that's not a real language 17:38:41 <welshdragon> f*** off 17:40:08 <Sacro> :) no you 17:43:08 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEe0a9.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:43:37 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 18:05:50 *** HackaBit [~HackaLitt@195-23-22-136.net.novis.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:09:52 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #openttd 18:27:08 *** dvo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:27:15 *** Hirundo_ 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18:58:48 <Muxy> Good 19:02:50 *** dfox [~dfox@r11jn246.net.upc.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:08:22 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:13:18 *** Muxy [~Muxy@smtp.bdelalande.net] has left #openttd [Kopete 0.12.5 : http://kopete.kde.org] 19:29:13 *** PeterT [~PeterT@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:32:51 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 19:34:06 *** PeterT [~PeterT@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:38:11 <petern> hmm 19:38:28 <insulfrog> what's on your mind? 19:38:45 <petern> what causes (secondary) newgrf industries to have massive output when nothing is beings supplied 19:39:33 <insulfrog> not sure, ask the person/people who made the GRF 19:39:38 <petern> eh, maybe a bug in the grf, indeed 19:40:06 <SmatZ> can it be related to this? http://bugs.openttd.org/task/2138 (fixed in r14530 ...) 19:40:30 <frosch123> did it show the "buggy newgrf caused infinite loop in production callback"-message ? 19:41:30 <petern> don't remember seeing it 19:41:46 <petern> it is 'experts servers - industries (v0.4)' however 19:41:51 <petern> so i don't expect quality ;) 19:42:07 <frosch123> yup, that grf is the cause for adding that message :) 19:43:02 <frosch123> while (<uninitialised storage> == 0) { produce some cargo } 19:44:40 <petern> lol 19:45:29 <petern> Waiting: 33,000 crates of goods 19:46:09 <frosch123> how hard is it for experts to transport them away? 19:47:10 <frosch123> s/==/!=/ actually 19:47:48 <petern> i'm using planes 19:47:54 <petern> so fairly low capacity 19:48:18 *** dfox [~dfox@r11jn246.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 19:58:45 *** Caracal [~cdscds@cpc3-walt12-2-0-cust235.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:59:18 <Caracal> hey guys, i have a very quick question - does openTTD have a 'classic mode' - where it's as close to the original as possible? 19:59:48 <glx> no 20:00:41 <Caracal> ah ok, thanks 20:00:42 <frosch123> if you really want that, take a look at ttdpatch 20:00:42 *** Caracal [~cdscds@cpc3-walt12-2-0-cust235.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has left #openttd [] 20:00:51 <frosch123> fast enough? 20:01:02 <frosch123> :) 20:01:05 <Xaroth> he came he asked and he fucked off agian? 20:05:36 <glx> quick question, quick answer :) 20:09:01 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16322 /trunk/src/train_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#2873]: trains could get stuck in a depot when they wanted to go to the same depot again. 20:09:03 <frosch123> including "thanks" :) 20:11:10 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16323 /trunk/src/yapf/ (yapf_costrail.hpp yapf_rail.cpp): -Fix [FS#2900]: desyncs due to the fact that depot searching with a maximum search depth simply does not work with YAPF's caches. 20:12:22 *** mikl [~mikl@90.184.195.240] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 20:16:15 *** insulfrog [~trainslov@92.20.43.67] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:19:37 *** dfox [~dfox@r11jn246.net.upc.cz] has quit 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20:33:31 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B841DE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:35:43 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B801EC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:35:46 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 20:49:34 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Quit: Operator, give me an exit] 20:55:17 <petern> aircraft windows are messed up, unless it's av8 doing that 21:01:46 *** Zorn [~zorn@e177224144.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )] 21:08:38 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejc98.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 21:27:44 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F5C2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:30:32 *** Spiffy [~spiff@122.169.106.202] has joined #openttd 21:30:35 <Spiffy> Howdy 21:32:55 * luckz yawns 21:33:22 <Spiffy> anybody using KGAT patch pack? 21:33:23 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 21:33:36 <luckz> uh, yeah, sorta. 21:33:42 <luckz> why? 21:34:36 <Spiffy> i am getting lot of crashes with CarstsWorldScenario 21:34:49 <Spiffy> the game crashes after like 15 min of gameplay 21:35:04 <luckz> do you mean with that scenario only or did you only try that one? 21:35:13 <Spiffy> Reason: Assertion failed at c:\documents and settings\mihai\desktop\new folder\src\tile_map.h:71: tile < MapSize() 21:35:27 <Spiffy> I tried 2-3 other scenarios including a custom one 21:36:22 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-187-113.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 21:41:17 <Spiffy> any idea? 21:43:49 <SmatZ> don't use modified OTTD builds 21:47:02 <Spiffy> that pack had good patches :) 21:47:26 <glx> and bugs ;) 21:47:29 <glx> (it seems) 21:48:07 <Spiffy> hehe 21:49:24 <Spiffy> would just love to play with cargodist and extralarge patch 21:49:34 <Spiffy> just patched extra large now tryign to patch cargodist in it 22:01:06 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5E255.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 22:26:24 *** phidah 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Cargodest has been solid as a rock, but I do miss some of the 0.7 features 22:48:32 *** Polygon [~Poly@x14r4b.wh4.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 22:56:13 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590c0ee8.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:01:25 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:14:14 *** racetrack [~racetrack@c114-76-16-69.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 23:14:26 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has quit [Quit: Bitches.] 23:15:03 <z-MaTRiX> hi 23:16:06 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet535.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 23:17:25 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-25-127-8.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:21:08 *** theholyduck [~theholydu@38.80-202-138.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 23:21:34 <theholyduck> effort..... 23:22:02 * theholyduck felt like joining the openttd channel, and then i have to setup to join a completely diffrent network ;( 23:23:11 <SmatZ> what network were you trying? 23:23:15 <theholyduck> freenode :P 23:23:19 <SmatZ> :) 23:23:32 <theholyduck> its the obvious choice for any NORMAL open source project or related 23:23:57 <glx> oftc is too 23:24:47 <z-MaTRiX> hey 23:25:02 <theholyduck> actually i considered joining because my kid nephew wanted to play locomotion with me, and i became so utterly in despair at my inability to do anything with its tiny amount of signals 23:25:13 <theholyduck> and that made me think of openttd 23:25:15 <Sacro> we left freenode because of the 'tard that ran it 23:25:19 <TinoDidriksen> Freenode's channel policies are a bit...biased. 23:25:45 <Sacro> lilo was a PITA 23:25:49 <theholyduck> TinoDidriksen, i run a bunch of very offtopic channels on freenode, and they can be dickheads 23:25:50 <theholyduck> admitedtly 23:26:00 <z-MaTRiX> theholyduck, whatisyourquestionthen? 23:26:04 <theholyduck> z-MaTRiX, none :P 23:26:09 <Sacro> hmm 23:26:13 <z-MaTRiX> cool 23:26:31 <theholyduck> i'm just in it for the, its 0126 in the morning, and the rest of the country is out getting drunk and partying loudly 23:26:43 <z-MaTRiX> yep 23:26:47 <z-MaTRiX> same here 23:26:51 <theholyduck> night between 16th and 17th of may in norway is the official party night 23:26:55 <TinoDidriksen> Ah, Norway...17th of May preparations. 23:27:06 <z-MaTRiX> didnt know its parrty day 23:27:18 <TinoDidriksen> It's their national day. 23:27:19 <theholyduck> z-MaTRiX, well pretty much anyone over the age of 14 goes out to get drunk 23:27:24 <theholyduck> or atleast try 23:27:42 <z-MaTRiX> well ? wont 23:27:43 <theholyduck> then we celebrate our consitutional day by walking around hung over 23:27:47 <theholyduck> and shouting propaganda 23:27:59 <theholyduck> i'm one of the few people who dont, 23:28:12 <z-MaTRiX> code in C instead 23:28:24 <theholyduck> z-MaTRiX, meh, 23:28:29 <theholyduck> i dont feel like doing much 23:28:54 <theholyduck> i MIGHT add another computer to my synergy setup 23:28:58 <z-MaTRiX> then play OpenTTD? 23:29:03 <theholyduck> 3 computers and 4 monitors just isnt enough 23:29:55 <theholyduck> i COULD, but i dont like my own playing style anymore :P 23:30:07 <theholyduck> i build gigant rail networks, then spend half eternity trying to optimize them 23:30:13 <luckz> KingJ: when did you try cargodist? 23:30:21 <theholyduck> then suddenly realizing its the next day 23:30:43 <z-MaTRiX> heheh 23:31:19 <KingJ> luckz: Recently, someone posted a win binary in the thread 23:31:37 <luckz> KingJ: there are very regular win32 binaries in all sorts of threads, so. 23:31:39 <theholyduck> z-MaTRiX, my most recent masterpiece was basicly 6 lines merging in the same general area, with a station in the middle 23:31:46 <theholyduck> z-MaTRiX, with no pattern or design at all 23:31:57 <luckz> I'm just saying that some form of crashing I personally had a lot was apparently fixed recently. as in in the last.. two or three days I guess? 23:31:57 <theholyduck> discordian messes <3 23:32:33 *** zodttd [~me@user-142gtg7.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #openttd 23:32:46 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7484D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 23:32:53 <z-MaTRiX> ever tried running trains with 40 cars? 23:33:09 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B748E2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:33:16 <z-MaTRiX> interesting thing 23:34:29 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: smatz * r16325 /trunk/src/ (116 files in 8 dirs): -Codechange: replace GetPoolItem(index) by PoolItem::Get(index) 23:34:44 <theholyduck> z-MaTRiX, i prefer more sane sizes, just loads of them 23:34:58 <theholyduck> z-MaTRiX, actually i was trying to make some modification to that designless mess of a junction 23:35:10 <z-MaTRiX> :) 23:35:11 <theholyduck> and i litterally spent an hour just fixing the damage i created 23:36:00 <z-MaTRiX> i like making roundlines with way junctions 23:36:12 <z-MaTRiX> 3way 23:36:20 *** oskari89 [oskari89@88.193.124.243] has joined #openttd 23:36:37 <z-MaTRiX> simple and effective 23:37:41 <theholyduck> meh, simple and effective is booring 23:37:58 <theholyduck> much more fun if you have to spend ages studying something to figure out what it does and how to make it better 23:38:42 <luckz> z-MaTRiX: like with 40 cars powered by quite a lot of engines or just a single engine hopelessly trying to move those wagons? 23:39:03 <z-MaTRiX> was doing it 23:39:23 <z-MaTRiX> well 23:39:47 <z-MaTRiX> iremember ? was using 5 lev-4 engines 23:40:00 <theholyduck> hmm, im not sure how i feel about passenger and cargo destinations :P 23:40:07 <theholyduck> though then again, i've never tried playing with it on 23:40:39 <z-MaTRiX> 1million tonns of oil is heavy up the hill ;> 23:41:04 <theholyduck> z-MaTRiX, wouldnt realistic accelration help that? 23:41:16 <theholyduck> a million tonns of oil would have alot of inertia 23:41:20 <luckz> I think passengers and cargo destinations are a really great concept, however they need to be done like in simutrans 23:41:38 <luckz> as in: passengers are only generated when the destination they want is connected 23:41:50 <theholyduck> luckz, well yeah :P 23:42:10 <Chruker> If you build it, they will come 23:42:10 <luckz> that's also the only good thing about simutrans pretty much. that and some related algorithms. 23:42:13 <theholyduck> we dont want people showing up in german demaning to take a train to canada 23:42:21 <theholyduck> *germany 23:42:26 <z-MaTRiX> :) 23:42:31 <z-MaTRiX> noproblem 23:42:49 <z-MaTRiX> passengers just want them to be taken anywhere 23:42:55 <luckz> theholyduck: no, it's not about that. it's "only generate these 10 people if station B is connected", not "generate these 10 people wanting to go to A if B is not connected" 23:43:02 <Chruker> Some kind of indicator or where people would want to go would be nice, so that you could go about building it 23:43:02 <z-MaTRiX> willing to pay any fair 23:43:09 <z-MaTRiX> so better take em to mars 23:43:29 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-203-101-103.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 23:43:55 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 23:44:19 <z-MaTRiX> hey 23:44:30 <luckz> hello. 23:44:48 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: smatz * r16326 /trunk/src/ (26 files in 5 dirs): -Codechange: replace GetPoolItemPoolSize() by PoolItem::GetPoolSize() 23:45:00 <Nite_Owl> Hello z-MaTRiX & luckz 23:45:09 <theholyduck> actually, openttd could use some "singleplayer missionishy" thingies :P 23:45:19 <theholyduck> to give you a target when you're boored 23:45:35 <Nite_Owl> it would then be RRT 23:45:52 <luckz> you'd have to apply a lot of restrictions for that though. to control the difficulty. 23:46:20 <theholyduck> luckz, well i ment like a actual singleplayer objective based gamemode, like in locomotion, etc,etc 23:46:32 <theholyduck> just design some maps and challenges of diffrent difficulties 23:46:45 <theholyduck> maybe even a tutorial level :O 23:47:19 <Nite_Owl> Railroad Tycoon plays that way - OpenTTD is much more open ended 23:49:00 <theholyduck> Nite_Owl, hmm, that doesnt mean you couldnt add some additional missions or whatever for beginners and bored people 23:49:19 <luckz> theholyduck: I know what you meant. I said that it requires massive restrictions on what you let the player do to have a somewhat controllable difficulty - as Nite_Owl said current openttd is anything but "transport 500 units of lumber and make 20000 dollars within three months; don't get the town of Lardass to hate you" 23:49:45 <Nite_Owl> but you would loose the intent of the game imho 23:49:49 <theholyduck> luckz, hehe ;P 23:49:59 <theholyduck> Nite_Owl, i always felt it was more of a multiplayer game 23:50:04 <luckz> and a game like RRT or Industry Giant is all about that kind of gameplay already 23:50:06 <theholyduck> seeing as the ai was always so pathetic 23:50:39 <Nite_Owl> the AI is now very good 23:51:15 <theholyduck> well i did say WAS 23:51:48 <luckz> and it's not like such games weren't fun, so making TTD into something that other games already do fine isn't an utterly useful way to spend a developer's time 23:52:12 <luckz> ..that now reminded me to resume playing Tropico some day. 23:53:02 <z-MaTRiX> btw its a joke an aeroplane flies several days to its destination 23:53:21 <Tefad> luckz: ?! 23:53:35 <theholyduck> z-MaTRiX, well airplanes are allready pretty unbalanced 23:53:40 <theholyduck> making them even faster isnt going to help 23:54:09 <theholyduck> a monkey playing connect the dots with airplanes can make more cash than most people building rail networks 23:54:12 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g228079236.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 23:54:18 <z-MaTRiX> tried setting speed multiplier to 1 23:54:18 <luckz> o 23:54:31 <Nite_Owl> it is not a joke, it is an extrapolation for the sake of gameplay 23:55:17 <luckz> I think z-MaTRiX wants a patch that makes an ingame year take a real year. 23:55:17 <z-MaTRiX> was thinking about who will travel via train for a month 23:55:30 <z-MaTRiX> sure 23:55:36 <theholyduck> z-MaTRiX, meh, realism, schmealism 23:55:41 <theholyduck> who needs it 23:55:41 <z-MaTRiX> realtime;> 23:57:11 <Nite_Owl> where for art thou Belugas 23:57:40 *** oskari89 [oskari89@88.193.124.243] has quit [] 23:58:02 <z-MaTRiX> \|_@_ 23:58:57 * theholyduck puts on some patriotic music