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Anything other than DFLT adds seems to add a blank drop-down title (while still correctly yielding custom station name choices from this menu)... Anyone still awake who might have some thoughts on this one? 02:26:49 <glx> IIRC you need to define the text somewhere 02:27:52 <glx> using an action 4 02:27:56 <Chicago_Rail_Authority> Makes sense... as I'm just trying to use "CSTM" for custom (43 53 54 4D) but haven't really found a spot to define a text string yet 02:28:15 <Chicago_Rail_Authority> hmm... ok, I'll take another look at the wiki -- thanks, glx 02:28:33 * glx goes to sleep now 02:28:37 <glx> have fun :) 02:28:47 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:fdfb:5040:fbcd:fd2b] has quit [Quit: bye] 02:53:56 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 02:53:56 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:53:59 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 03:03:34 *** theholyduck_ [~holyduck@94.80-202-138.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 03:09:11 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:10:12 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@94.80-202-138.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:12:46 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:22:36 *** theholyduck__ [~holyduck@94.80-202-138.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 03:23:26 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.30.188.plusnet.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 03:28:11 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.30.188.plusnet.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has quit [] 03:29:14 *** theholyduck_ [~holyduck@94.80-202-138.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:39:01 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:39:26 *** kkb110 [~kkb110@c-68-82-181-52.hsd1.de.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:42:57 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 04:27:22 *** theholyduck_ [~holyduck@94.80-202-138.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 04:33:43 *** theholyduck__ [~holyduck@94.80-202-138.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:04:44 *** Sionide [sionide@cornflakes.imen.org.uk] has joined #openttd 05:28:25 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.177.164] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:37:11 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: smatz * r16548 /trunk/src/gfxinit.cpp: -Fix (r16538): removing of duplicates of base graphics set could behave randomly 05:53:03 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 05:53:59 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:53:59 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 05:59:00 *** theholyduck__ [~holyduck@94.80-202-138.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 06:05:13 *** theholyduck_ [~holyduck@94.80-202-138.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:14:50 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 06:14:50 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:14:53 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 06:45:41 <petern> SmatZ, 0.7.2! 06:49:48 <dihedral> why not 2.0.7? :-P 06:50:07 <petern> er 06:50:11 <petern> cos that would be stupid 06:50:59 <dihedral> it's not like other people have not done so :-P 06:52:09 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 06:58:10 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.30.188.plusnet.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 07:00:15 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest102 07:00:17 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-98-223-48-35.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 07:05:47 *** Guest102 [~Dale@c-98-223-48-35.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:07:08 <SmatZ> petern: it would be boring if there were no bugs in 0.7.1 ;) 07:12:49 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.30.188.plusnet.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 07:16:03 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has joined #openttd 07:20:01 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: smatz * r16549 /trunk/src/clear_cmd.cpp: -Codechange: use bool in TileLoopClearHelper 07:21:24 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.30.188] has joined #openttd 07:28:39 <dihedral> \o/ 07:31:49 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@user-54421e2c.l5.c1.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 07:36:38 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:41:10 *** LordAzamath [~rightwing@82.131.16.156.cable.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 07:44:49 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@87.113.30.188.plusnet.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 07:45:50 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.30.188] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:50:37 *** Xyzzy [~Albert@vc-41-192-69-86.umts.vodacom.co.za] has joined #openttd 07:57:57 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@87.113.30.188.plusnet.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:02:47 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.30.188.plusnet.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 08:06:03 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEdea7.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 08:15:47 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:18:54 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: smatz * r16550 /trunk/src/ (map.cpp map_func.h): -Codechange: move definition of ScaleByMapSize to header file, use shifts instead of mults 08:21:39 *** nfc [nfc@cable-hvk-fe7ede00-156.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 08:26:35 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.30.188.plusnet.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 08:27:10 <Noldo> why shifts? 08:27:21 <planetmaker> faster 08:27:52 <Rubidium> less ?ops 08:27:55 <Noldo> have you tested? 08:28:09 * planetmaker awards to SmatZ the title "Chief Performance Officer" ;) 08:28:35 <Rubidium> Noldo: just look at the implementation of multiplication in processors 08:28:45 * planetmaker also fines SmatZ for speeding. Cost: one beer :P 08:29:02 <Noldo> and compilers are unable to do optimizations? 08:29:18 <planetmaker> Noldo, certainly not. But this way you don't rely on a compiler 08:30:13 <Noldo> I don't think there is really any point in trying to be fast if the compiler sucks 08:30:41 <Rubidium> Noldo: knowing SmatZ he looked at the generated asm 08:31:46 <Rubidium> also n * (func() + func()) is arguably slower than n << (var + var) 08:32:02 <Noldo> true 08:32:14 <Rubidium> and as gcc doesn't do optimisation after linking it's fairly safe to claim it's faster 08:33:01 <Rubidium> and the implementation of func() would be: return 1 << var; 08:33:10 <SmatZ> gcc doesn't know _map_size_x == 1 << _map_log_x 08:33:40 <petern> on p4, shifts are slower 08:33:43 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 08:34:14 <SmatZ> (probably no compiler would know, even with lto... but maybe I am underestimating developers of compilers) 08:34:28 <Rubidium> who in his/her right mind would use a P4? ;) 08:34:37 <petern> *cough* my server :s 08:34:41 <petern> xeons, but still 08:34:43 <SmatZ> :) 08:34:47 <SmatZ> petern: I will have a look 08:35:38 <petern> http://www.emulators.com/docs/pentium_1.htm 08:35:44 <petern> see MISTAKE #6 08:35:54 <Noldo> maybe it's just my untrained mind, but shifts as replacement for multi is quite hard to read 08:36:31 <ddfreyne> doesn't gcc optimize multiplication with powers of two? 08:36:46 <SmatZ> I am not sure if it's better to use mults instead of shifts just because one architecture likes them more 08:36:47 <petern> Noldo, in general yes, but you're assuming the multiplication made sense in the first place 08:37:18 <petern> SmatZ, of course. i was just pointing out that shifts are not necessarily faster, as planetmaker said. 08:38:20 <petern> besides 08:38:26 <Rubidium> ddfreyne: if it doesn't know (for certain) it is multiplication by a power of two it still keep multiplying 08:39:12 <ddfreyne> well, obviously 08:39:51 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.30.188.plusnet.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 08:39:52 <planetmaker> petern, it was my naive ... impression. Why would one use shifts otherwise (if not operating on bit sets) 08:41:10 <Noldo> in those functions the readability isn't that much of an issue as they are nicely documented 08:41:23 <SmatZ> petern: thanks for interesting info, though the intel's docs don't state shifts should be replaced by muls ( http://paste.openttd.org/183315 ) 08:43:29 <petern> indeed 08:43:39 <petern> the real solution 08:43:46 <petern> is to ban all p4s :D 08:43:58 <Rubidium> so for shifts < 3 adding is faster, after that shifting is faster 08:44:00 <SmatZ> :-) 08:44:20 <petern> core 2 is nice, i assume core i7 is not worse 08:44:32 <Rubidium> all shifts are more than 3, so shifting is still faster than adding 08:55:42 *** LordAzamath [~rightwing@82.131.16.156.cable.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.10/2009042316]] 09:05:21 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.30.188.plusnet.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 09:06:40 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051085131.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 09:07:30 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.30.188.plusnet.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 09:12:36 *** reldred [~reldred@115.131.211.136] has joined #openttd 09:19:51 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 09:19:51 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:19:54 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 09:25:08 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F317.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:33:38 *** theholyduck_ [~holyduck@94.80-202-138.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 09:36:10 *** fjb [~frank@p5485CB4D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:36:46 <fjb> Hello 09:38:12 *** racetrack [~racetrack@c114-76-16-69.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 09:40:04 *** theholyduck__ [~holyduck@94.80-202-138.nextgentel.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:09:37 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81A9B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:13:30 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81AAC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:13:33 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 10:19:14 *** theholyduck_ [~holyduck@94.80-202-138.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:22:36 *** Aankhen`` [~hey.squid@122.162.164.172] has joined #openttd 10:30:25 *** racetrack [~racetrack@c114-76-16-69.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: no. just, no.] 10:49:18 *** Xyzzy [~Albert@vc-41-192-69-86.umts.vodacom.co.za] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:49:30 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.19.121.88] has joined #openttd 10:57:38 * Aankhen`` wonders what chain of events landed that "UTF-8 please" in the topic. 11:03:27 <KenjiE20> stuff like £ maybe? 11:05:54 <petern> and russians using that koi8 crap 11:15:38 <dihedral> what an idiot in the forums!! 11:16:41 <blathijs> Just one? 11:20:45 <dihedral> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=794863#p794863 <- hihihi 11:25:15 <petern> pah 11:25:19 <petern> not ttd related at all 11:25:24 <petern> the signals are not close enough 11:25:36 <petern> and there's no queue of trainss 11:25:40 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 11:25:46 <petern> what a waste of time that is, heh 11:26:18 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:27:35 <dihedral> yep 11:27:46 <dihedral> but i like the connection of the image i posted :-P 11:27:54 <dihedral> such a bad joke :-D 11:30:00 <planetmaker> dihedral, why do you make so much fun of him? :( 11:30:09 <planetmaker> It may be boring, but others may find it interesting... 11:30:39 <planetmaker> or may take join doing / preparing / watching such stuff. 11:30:51 <dihedral> it's a video of a train! 11:30:57 <planetmaker> yes, I agree with you - it's boring what he did. But so what? 11:31:02 <dihedral> where on earth is that related to openttd? 11:31:04 <dihedral> or ttd 11:31:09 <planetmaker> you and I find it boring. 11:31:27 <dihedral> boring is not even what i mean - it's not related 11:31:42 <dihedral> there are openttd vids on youtube, they are boring, but at least they are related! 11:31:42 <planetmaker> ah.. c'mon. 50% of the people are somewhat attached to trains. 11:31:50 <dihedral> is there not a forum 'off topic'? 11:32:41 <dihedral> it is totally off topic + i did not make fun of him, i merely displayed how related his vids were with ttd :-P 11:32:42 <Ammler> forrest gump is a nice movie 11:33:08 <planetmaker> then tell him to post it in "General Transport Discussion". But to flame him for his hobby and delight? C'mon 11:33:31 <planetmaker> that's just as poor 11:33:34 <dihedral> :-P 11:33:46 <dihedral> actually i thought the picture to be quite funny :-) 11:33:54 <dihedral> as it's even less related as his vids :-D 11:36:39 *** Chicago_Rail_Authority [user@c-76-100-52-121.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:37:22 <Noldo> dihedral: admit it, you are just evil 11:38:49 <petern> that wasn't a falem 11:38:52 <petern> er, flame 11:38:55 <petern> if it was me 11:38:58 <petern> well ... 11:39:39 <Rubidium> Aankhen``: or for people using U+FF00 - U+FF5E 11:40:08 <dihedral> Noldo, nope i will not admit it :-D 11:40:38 <Noldo> :P 11:46:41 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 12:00:19 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:02:41 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 12:02:41 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:02:44 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 12:05:28 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051085131.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 12:06:17 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 12:08:12 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051085131.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 12:10:02 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.177.164] has joined #openttd 12:11:21 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:b4f1:5ffa:c8c:9190] has joined #openttd 12:11:24 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:13:57 *** Chicago_Rail_Authority [user@c-76-100-52-121.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 12:14:14 *** Chicago_Rail_Authority [user@c-76-100-52-121.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has left #openttd [] 12:14:48 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has joined #openttd 12:17:34 *** Xyzzy [~Albert@vc-41-192-73-165.umts.vodacom.co.za] has joined #openttd 12:17:57 *** Illegal_Alien [9c5301fb@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 12:22:25 *** UFO64 [~jmurray@cpe-24-31-129-140.maine.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 12:41:19 *** Xyzzy [~Albert@vc-41-192-73-165.umts.vodacom.co.za] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:43:20 *** Xyzzy [c40fc9c9@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 12:53:30 *** UFO64 [~jmurray@cpe-24-31-129-140.maine.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:00:59 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 13:17:43 *** benj [~benj@162.96.96.58.static.exetel.com.au] has joined #openttd 13:27:23 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-113-203.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 13:34:01 *** reldred [~reldred@115.131.211.136] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:44:50 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: smatz * r16551 /trunk/src/map_func.h: -Codechange: use shift instead of multiplication in TileXY() 13:49:56 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@94.80-202-138.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 14:00:32 *** Fogel [~Fogel@82.160.60.140] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:01:47 *** Mark [~Mark@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 14:07:20 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: smatz * r16552 /trunk/src/map_func.h: -Codechange: make AddTileIndexDiffCWrap() a bit faster 14:09:54 <Eddi|zuHause> YAY, they're reviving Futurama :) 14:15:08 <Rubidium> who cares (except those that care)? 14:15:14 <Ammler> hmm, does banans have a recover password function? 14:18:18 <dihedral> /query TrueBrain :-) 14:18:20 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 14:18:35 * dihedral gives Ammler another 'a' 14:18:48 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm210.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 14:20:23 <Ammler> m?h, don't like bother him for my stupidity 14:23:25 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:24:03 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 14:26:29 *** Sionide [sionide@cornflakes.imen.org.uk] has quit [Quit: Getting off stoned server - dircproxy 1.0.5] 14:26:34 *** Sionide [sionide@cornflakes.imen.org.uk] has joined #openttd 14:29:10 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:40:11 *** Illegal_Alien [9c5301fb@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 14:54:50 <Muddy> dihedral: sort of done.. :) http://openttd.no/page.php?3 14:55:05 <Muddy> now also with mysql backend! 14:55:19 <dihedral> now that is nice :-) 14:56:33 <dihedral> you run the servers on a posix system? 14:57:24 <petern> well 14:57:26 <petern> except it's mysql 14:58:11 <Muddy> my openttd server runs on a ubuntu vps in atlanta, the other server belongs to a dude in trondheim, norway 14:58:29 <dihedral> rephrase: you run the openttd servers on a posix system? 14:58:36 <dihedral> ^ petern, happy? 14:58:44 <dihedral> Muddy, have a look at ap+ :-) 14:58:54 <dihedral> and avignon is before it's first beta release too 15:01:13 <Muddy> uhm, ok? 15:01:37 <dihedral> they are bots and wrap the dedicated server console 15:01:51 <Muddy> cool 15:02:03 <dihedral> automate some stuff, can join an irc channel and relay chat 15:02:05 <dihedral> etc. 15:02:09 <petern> dihedral, huh? 15:02:21 <petern> dihedral, "mysql" "nice" -- pick one 15:02:22 <dihedral> <petern> except it's mysql <- 15:02:47 <dihedral> eh - i am confuddling myself 15:02:50 <dihedral> no worries :-P 15:02:54 *** Xyzzy [c40fc9c9@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 15:03:08 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-113-203.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 15:04:14 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ffa43.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 15:05:25 *** benj [~benj@162.96.96.58.static.exetel.com.au] has left #openttd [] 15:20:31 *** oskari89 [oskari89@88.193.124.243] has joined #openttd 15:21:47 *** oskari892 [oskari89@88.193.124.243] has joined #openttd 15:21:55 *** oskari892 [oskari89@88.193.124.243] has quit [] 15:32:36 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest16 15:32:37 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-98-223-48-35.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 15:36:24 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [] 15:39:07 *** Guest16 [~Dale@c-98-223-48-35.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:44:18 *** theholyduck_ [~holyduck@94.80-202-138.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 15:50:27 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@94.80-202-138.nextgentel.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:02:07 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 16:02:14 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: smatz * r16553 /trunk/src/ (saveload/afterload.cpp train_cmd.cpp): -Codechange: don't use TRACK_BIT_WORMHOLE and TRACK_BIT_DEPOT as bitmasks 16:03:16 <TinoDidriksen> Wormhole? OpenTTD In Space? 16:04:08 <planetmaker> TinoDidriksen: bridges and tunnels. 16:04:18 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 16:05:05 <TinoDidriksen> I figured as much. Just sounded funny... 16:08:02 *** worm is now known as totalwormage 16:10:12 <totalwormage> highlights! 16:10:58 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:11:11 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:14:55 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 16:17:21 <Eddi|zuHause> who said wormholes may occur only in space? 16:17:50 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has joined #openttd 16:18:00 <SmatZ> :-) 16:19:16 <dihedral> they exist in the ground too - real ones also 16:19:33 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 16:20:43 <totalwormage> hell, i have some on my body ;] 16:21:10 <SmatZ> in your body 16:21:16 <dihedral> we dont wanna know that much totalwormage 16:21:26 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@94.80-202-138.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 16:21:33 <SmatZ> appearing and disappearing every picosecond :) 16:21:42 *** michi_cc [michi@dude.icosahedron.de] has quit [Quit: michi_cc] 16:21:43 *** michi_cc [michi@dude.icosahedron.de] has joined #openttd 16:21:47 *** mode/#openttd [+v michi_cc] by ChanServ 16:21:51 <totalwormage> *^_^* 16:25:00 *** theholyduck__ [~holyduck@94.80-202-138.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 16:26:47 *** theholyduck_ [~holyduck@94.80-202-138.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:30:43 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@94.80-202-138.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:33:24 *** CIA-3 [~CIA@208.69.182.149.simpli.biz] has quit [Server closed connection] 16:33:25 *** CIA-6 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #openttd 16:34:32 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 16:42:59 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 16:45:44 *** Azrael- is now known as Azrael_ 16:47:18 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 16:56:10 *** Aankhen`` [~hey.squid@122.162.164.172] has quit [Quit: Log this!] 17:01:46 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:10:39 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@94.80-202-138.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 17:14:47 *** theholyduck__ [~holyduck@94.80-202-138.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:21:56 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host212-159-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 17:22:06 <Wolf01> hello 17:24:40 <dihedral> hey Wolf01 17:25:45 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:25:57 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 17:54:47 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 17:56:30 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 18:00:59 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@94.80-202-138.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:01:01 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:01:01 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 18:13:18 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:19:44 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:22:36 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm210.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:28:00 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-13-33-45.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 18:32:33 <Sacro> Brianetta: are you upgrading the server? 18:44:42 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 18:52:41 <Wolf01> 'night 18:52:44 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host212-159-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 18:53:38 <_ln> good night Wolf01 18:54:08 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: smatz * r16554 /trunk/src/ (settings.cpp settings_func.h): -Fix (r16433): compilation with disabled network was broken 19:00:46 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: smatz * r16555 /trunk/ (6 files in 3 dirs): -Feature [FS#570]: ability to enter server and company password via command line when joining a server (based on patch by Progman, Ammler and planetmaker) 19:07:05 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93-80-2-228.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:08:31 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejm148.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 19:15:05 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:15:37 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-113-203.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 19:18:31 *** thingwath [~thingwath@morana.sks2.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: It's all over.] 19:18:47 *** thingwath [~thingwath@morana.sks2.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 19:23:37 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: smatz * r16556 /trunk/src/ai/ (ai_instance.cpp ai_instance.hpp): -Codechange [NoAI]: use accessor for AIInstance::is_dead 19:26:09 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEdea7.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:26:16 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: smatz * r16557 /trunk/src/ai/ai_gui.cpp: -Feature(tte) [NoAI][FS#2892]: mark dead AIs by red background in the AIDebug window 19:27:33 <planetmaker> SmatZy-PatchY mutated into Feature-SmatZy! :) 19:27:53 <SmatZ> :-D 19:28:13 <petern> what? 19:28:16 <planetmaker> but yes, that proposal made much sense :) 19:33:27 <Rubidium> so now we need a someoney-notdevy mutate into a bigfix-someoney? 19:33:45 <SmatZ> :-D 19:34:36 <planetmaker> he 19:35:09 <planetmaker> Rubidium: you should announce a vote in the forums "who shall become the next new dev" :P 19:36:52 * SmatZ is afraid of results 19:37:00 <Rubidium> SmatZ: why? 19:37:09 <Rubidium> electronic votes are unreliable 19:37:09 <petern> sirkoz 19:37:22 <Rubidium> so people have to register first and then vote in person 19:37:23 <planetmaker> Yorick 19:37:36 <petern> jez 19:37:36 <Rubidium> also the candidates need to formally register in person 19:37:41 <fjb> Alain2007 19:38:00 <SmatZ> :-) 19:38:21 <frosch123> who cares about developers? we need a project manager 19:38:32 <fjb> Managers are always good. 19:38:34 <SmatZ> sure, yes :) 19:38:36 <Eddi|zuHause> a big one 19:38:37 <Alberth> right a BIG one eh. 19:38:40 <SmatZ> and a team building 19:38:41 <petern> i have a big one 19:39:04 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think we wanted to know :p 19:39:05 * Rubidium assigns fjb to Chief Testing Officer 19:39:10 * SmatZ has just average one, but is happy with it L() 19:39:15 <SmatZ> :-P 19:39:24 <fjb> Ok, testing is always good. 19:40:19 <Alberth> too bad that as chief, you cannot play^H^H^H^Htest yourself 19:40:34 <SmatZ> :) 19:41:17 <fjb> No need to test my self. :-P 19:41:48 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:41:55 <Rubidium> fjb, you should. Your spelling component is broken. 19:42:08 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 19:42:26 <fjb> Hello Nite_Owl. 19:42:40 <Nite_Owl> Hello fjb 19:42:45 <fjb> Rubidium: That is known, so need for testing it. 19:46:59 <andythenorth> Can I be project manager? I'd like to start by making a full spec. 19:47:09 <andythenorth> So if you could all stop everything for, say a year or two, I'll get back to you :) 19:47:47 <planetmaker> hello Nite_Owl 19:48:03 <Nite_Owl> Hello planetmaker 19:58:51 <planetmaker> Thanks for your Makefile-diff, Rubidium 19:59:27 <planetmaker> I'm somehow led to the assumption that you don't use bash :P 20:00:56 <Rubidium> actually I do, but when I saw sh I knew it was probable that it wasn't tested with anything else than bash so I tried it 20:01:10 <Rubidium> and debian is working on changing to dash as default shell 20:01:40 <Xaroth> wasn't dash default shell to begin with for debian? 20:01:47 <Xaroth> or was that unubto only 20:02:14 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:06:51 <Noldo> dash is not tagged essential, bash is 20:08:20 <planetmaker> he, so thanks the more then :) 20:09:46 <fjb> bash isn't essential, only sh is. 20:10:13 <Rubidium> Noldo: http://release.debian.org/squeeze/goals.txt says "Switch /bin/sh to dash 20:12:42 <Noldo> fjb: in theory, yes 20:13:35 <Noldo> making dash the /bin/sh does not drop the essential from bash 20:15:06 <Ammler> hmm, suse doesn't have dash in the default repos. 20:16:25 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:16:25 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:16:50 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 20:16:58 <Eddi|zuHause> what's the advantage of dash over bash? 20:17:11 <Rubidium> Noldo: whether it's dropped from essential or not doesn't matter. If a script uses /bin/sh you should not use bash only constructs as /bin/sh does not imply it being bash 20:18:16 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: http://gondor.apana.org.au/~herbert/dash/ 20:18:55 <Rubidium> basically: faster than bash, less external libraries 20:20:01 <_ln> *less -> fewer 20:20:08 <petern> and the web page is small 20:24:58 * planetmaker slaps _ln 20:28:50 *** janklopper [~chatzilla@84-106-143-88.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #openttd 20:29:05 <janklopper> hi 20:29:24 <Brianetta> Sacro: Compiling now. 20:29:40 <janklopper> quick question, openttd doesn't start on my system (ubuntu 9.04), but does generate a constant 100% cpu load (single thread) 20:29:51 <planetmaker> janklopper: that's bad 20:30:00 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [] 20:30:18 <planetmaker> try ./openttd -d 20:30:22 <janklopper> if i strace openttd, is it seems to be statting all of my files in the ~/data dir 20:30:23 <planetmaker> what does it tell you? 20:31:04 <planetmaker> I leave that to the pros then :P 20:31:12 <Brianetta> janklopper: Are you running on NFS ro similar? 20:31:18 <Brianetta> or similar, even? 20:31:26 <janklopper> Brianetta: nope, but the data is a separate mounted raid5 20:31:29 <Rubidium> circular reference (ln) 20:31:51 <Brianetta> I find I get a lengthy hang when reading from NFS over wireless (I am a bit of a masochist for that). 20:32:01 <Brianetta> A fast filesystem should help. 20:32:04 <janklopper> since its a 2tb setup, i guess it would scan trough all the files eventually 20:32:16 <Brianetta> If you have that many files. yes 20:32:23 <janklopper> but im wondering why on earth it would even scan those files 20:32:25 <Brianetta> It's probably generating checksums 20:32:28 <janklopper> (scan / stat) 20:32:31 <Brianetta> that means reading every byte 20:32:40 <janklopper> whoa, whu? 20:32:46 <Brianetta> Everything under data 20:32:48 <janklopper> why would it need to do that? 20:32:51 <planetmaker> :O md5 for all files takes ages :) 20:33:05 <planetmaker> janklopper: it doesn't... normally. 20:33:07 * Brianetta shrugs 20:33:18 <planetmaker> where is your openttd installed? 20:33:28 <Brianetta> Why do you have a 2Tb data directory? 20:33:29 <janklopper> trought the .deb package 20:33:49 <janklopper> Brianetta: backups, media, repositories, code, etc 20:33:58 <Brianetta> wait 20:34:04 <janklopper> its a separate disk (raid) mounted under my home 20:34:05 <Brianetta> openttd has *a* data directory 20:34:13 <Brianetta> that really should be its own 20:34:28 <janklopper> is that dir located in ~/data ? 20:34:35 <Brianetta> no 20:34:58 <planetmaker> janklopper: ~/.openttd/data 20:35:18 <planetmaker> if you install / copy it somewhere in your home dir or a subdir thereof 20:35:40 <janklopper> i have the ~/.openttd folder 20:35:46 <janklopper> no dta dir inside there though 20:36:09 <planetmaker> ok 20:36:10 <Brianetta> janklopper: It's system-wide 20:36:20 <Brianetta> dpkg -L openttd 20:36:25 <Brianetta> dpkg -L openttd | grep data 20:36:46 <Brianetta> I'd do it myself but I don't have the package 20:37:00 <janklopper> ok, just a sec 20:37:32 <janklopper> /usr/share/games/openttd/data 20:37:37 <Eddi|zuHause> janklopper: did you try starting openttd, when you do not have ~ as working directory? 20:37:39 <Brianetta> That's it (: 20:37:52 <Brianetta> That should be the datadir in your config 20:37:59 <Brianetta> especially if you wrote your own config file 20:38:20 <janklopper> Eddi|zuHause: hmm, that at least gives me an error 20:38:25 <Brianetta> Hopefully *that* is not 2TB 20:38:28 *** Tron__ [~tron@f051149143.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 20:38:33 <janklopper> sample.cat aint there (I need to get the original files) 20:38:34 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g228010139.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 20:38:44 *** db48x [~db48x@64.218.49.85] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.4.0 Virgo] 20:38:44 <Brianetta> You certainly do 20:38:45 <planetmaker> janklopper: that's true 20:38:46 <janklopper> Brianetta: nope, /usr/share/games/openttd/data contains just the openttd files 20:39:10 <planetmaker> Or you get OpenGFX 20:39:13 <janklopper> so, if you start openttd from a path which also has a subdir named "data" your screwed? :P 20:39:19 <janklopper> planetmaker: that was the plan :) 20:39:24 <planetmaker> oki :) 20:39:49 <Eddi|zuHause> janklopper: so, try not to have a 2TB directory called "data" in your working dir, then it should be fine ;) ... the missing original files need to be installed separately, though 20:40:00 <janklopper> I've been working on a web based client for a while now, but usually dont need the openttd client itself 20:40:11 <janklopper> Eddi|zuHause: right, sorry aint gonna change :P 20:40:37 <janklopper> maybe add a token in there, designating the "data" dir as a valid openttd path 20:40:42 <Brianetta> janklopper: Try changing your cwd 20:40:46 <Eddi|zuHause> OpenTTD will try to search all directories called "data" it can find 20:40:48 <janklopper> Brianetta: I will 20:41:18 <Brianetta> Eddi: That kind of automatic behaviour is really lame (: 20:41:23 <janklopper> Eddi|zuHause: yup, maybe it better to see if they have a file called .openttd before stating every file and its subdir 20:41:31 <Eddi|zuHause> it might be configurable that it does not check the working directory, but you'll at least have to recompile for that 20:41:34 <janklopper> that would be trivial to implement 20:42:26 <Eddi|zuHause> well, you're the first one to notice that problem ;) 20:42:41 <janklopper> hehe, probably wont be the last :P 20:42:41 <Eddi|zuHause> it can't be that problematic :p 20:42:44 <janklopper> pff 20:42:53 <janklopper> ~worksforme :P 20:43:20 <Eddi|zuHause> well, you have your workaround 20:43:20 <Brianetta> Sacro: New server is up. 20:43:33 <janklopper> Eddi|zuHause: thx :) 20:43:43 <Brianetta> I have a ~/data 20:43:51 <Brianetta> Thankfully it's not terribly huge 20:43:54 <janklopper> other question, is there a server interface spec somewhere? 20:43:57 <Brianetta> but it's totally unrelated to openttd 20:44:10 <Brianetta> janklopper: Network protocol or what? 20:44:24 <janklopper> Brianetta: i was hoping something plaintext/xml/json 20:44:31 *** Tron [~tron@g227082160.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:44:37 <Brianetta> There's a binary UDP interface for game info 20:44:58 <janklopper> I've been developing this: http://pc-gamers.com/webgamex/0.9 20:45:14 <janklopper> would love to create a server to openttd server interface 20:45:18 <Eddi|zuHause> janklopper: depending on what you actually want to achieve, you might want to check out openttdlib or autopilot 20:45:35 <Brianetta> janklopper: Speaking as the guy who wrote autopilot, no you don't 20:45:52 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051085131.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:45:52 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 20:45:53 <Brianetta> The game interfaces are as follows: 20:46:07 <janklopper> Brianetta: hmm, how come? dealing with the browser stuff hasn't been easy either 20:46:07 <Brianetta> Console output (used by autopilot through Expect): Limited. 20:46:18 <Brianetta> UDP: Basic game info only 20:46:54 <Brianetta> TCP: Download saved game using binary protocol, then transmit/receive binary game commands to keep game in lock step with server. 20:47:48 <Brianetta> TCP is the multiplayer protocol. It periodically compares random seed to make sure that the simulation is accurate on both sides, and disconnects clients with the wrong seed. That's a desync error, and is what you get if you try to attach non-openttd software to the server. 20:48:07 <Brianetta> Assuming your non-openttd server actually grabs the game and tries to keep up to date. 20:48:10 <janklopper> hmm, I was hoping the interface would have been more open 20:48:22 <Brianetta> It's open; it's just lame. 20:48:33 <planetmaker> janklopper: http://www.openttdcoop.org/files/pm/bild1.png <-- that's not what it shall look like, eh? :) 20:48:34 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: alberth * r16558 /trunk/src/town_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Switch found-town window to nested widgets. 20:48:46 <Brianetta> Unfortunately it's so entrenched that there's no realistic prospect of change. 20:48:59 <janklopper> The primary idea was to make a webbased vieuwer so anyone can see whats going on inside a hosted game 20:49:08 <janklopper> planetmaker: hehe, safari is a bit broken yes ;) 20:49:14 <planetmaker> it's firefox 20:49:16 <Brianetta> janklopper: It would need to be openttd, basically. 20:49:24 <janklopper> hmm, firefox should be better 20:49:28 <janklopper> at least it works fie here 20:49:30 <Brianetta> Firefox is that bad. 20:49:35 <janklopper> fine* 20:49:42 <Brianetta> 3.0.10 in Ubuntu 20:49:47 <Noldo> didn't someone make such webviewer 20:49:51 <planetmaker> same here on mac 20:50:00 <Brianetta> Noldo: I had a webcam on my server'spage 20:50:09 <Brianetta> Basically, the server was saving screenshots 20:50:14 <Brianetta> but that's deprecated 20:50:19 <janklopper> hmm, Should probably upload a new version then 20:50:26 <Brianetta> and unlikely to remain possible on a dedicated server 20:50:42 <petern> it's not 20:51:14 <Eddi|zuHause> janklopper: the problem is, with openttd's game state being so huge, it cannot transfer the game state regularly over the net. that is why all game state is transferred once, and each client runs the entire simulation 20:51:23 <Brianetta> petern: I ditched the mod I made to autopilot some months back (: 20:51:43 <janklopper> Eddi|zuHause: and there's no incremental update mechanism? 20:51:52 <Eddi|zuHause> janklopper: no 20:52:02 <Rubidium> janklopper: how much MB/s do you want? 20:52:03 <janklopper> thats how i do udpates, just select the updates for the viewport since your last view 20:52:22 <Brianetta> Unfortunately, using a lossy or corrective multiplayer protocol would involve a rewrite of much of the game's code, since it changes some pretty fundamental assumptions. 20:52:35 <janklopper> yup, figured 20:52:46 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEdea7.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 20:54:29 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:54:47 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 20:55:12 <Eddi|zuHause> janklopper: you can only work on a static savegame. everything else would be futile 20:55:40 <Eddi|zuHause> and savegames can be several MB 20:55:47 <janklopper> ok, il just keep my focus on engine shinies then 20:55:58 <janklopper> and skip my openttd idea for now :P 20:56:10 <Brianetta> unless you use a modified openttd client, connect it as a spectator, and query its state. 20:56:39 <Brianetta> If you're doing that, though, you might as well get it to render your view. 20:57:59 <Brianetta> brb, switching over to laptop 20:58:04 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-13-33-45.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: Tsch?ss] 20:58:51 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-13-33-45.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 21:01:50 <Brianetta> We're watching Blakes 7 (-: 21:02:00 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:02:23 <Nite_Owl> I remember that show 21:02:45 <Brianetta> Interestingly, so do I. 21:02:55 <Brianetta> My wife hasn't seen it, though. 21:03:22 <Nite_Owl> It was only on for a season or two I believe 21:03:51 <Brianetta> no 21:04:30 <Brianetta> There were four series 21:04:55 <Nite_Owl> Possibly only the first one or two made it across the pond or they combined them over here 21:05:10 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.30.188.plusnet.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 21:05:23 *** db48x [~db48x@64.218.49.85] has joined #openttd 21:05:25 <petern> i don't think i've seen it, maybe an episode here and there 21:07:42 *** Azrael_ [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:11:37 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F317.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:12:17 <Eddi|zuHause> i do not remember ever having seen this name 21:16:20 <Brianetta> Eddi, it's a British sci fi series from the seventies. Written by Terry Nation, who invented Daleks. 21:17:05 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ffa43.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:18:32 <Eddi|zuHause> i also learned about the daleks only about two years ago... 21:18:32 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:18:57 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 21:18:57 <Eddi|zuHause> probably even less... 21:22:43 <janklopper> hmm, whats the maximum width for openttd to be played on? 21:23:17 <Eddi|zuHause> that limit was lifted recently. 21:23:29 <janklopper> can get it to go to 4960pixels wide 21:23:40 <planetmaker> janklopper: I played it successfully on 2560 x 1024 21:23:43 <planetmaker> janklopper: yes 21:24:20 <Rubidium> that depends on the amount of memory you can allocate and the width your videocard(s) support and the limits of your OS 21:24:34 <janklopper> hmm, strage 21:24:49 <janklopper> my desktop is 4960*1600 21:25:06 <janklopper> 8gb ram, 64 bits, but maybe openttd is running in 32b 21:25:28 <janklopper> 786meg ram per gpu, so that should be plenty for the framebuffer 21:25:33 <Eddi|zuHause> janklopper: so what is the actual problem? 21:25:35 <janklopper> hl2 and ut2k4 run fine 21:26:00 <janklopper> I can "only" stretch the window to about half of the third screen 21:26:14 <janklopper> limited the width to about 4100 or so 21:26:23 <janklopper> not a problem, just a question 21:26:55 <Eddi|zuHause> the window size is only limited by your window manager... openttd has no influence on that 21:27:35 <Prof_Frink> A 4096x4096 window on a significantly smaller screen is... interesting 21:27:51 <janklopper> odd, most programs can be stretched to fit the entire desktop 21:27:56 <janklopper> but openttd cant 21:28:19 <janklopper> not really a problem though, its not like im planning on playing like that 21:28:33 <Rubidium> openttd itself doesn't imply a limit, so the question is what does cause the limit 21:30:17 <janklopper> hmm, i thought fullscreen didnt work (only used one xinerama screen), but now that i stretched it, it does work, and fullscreen actually does use 4960*1600 pixels :) 21:30:31 <janklopper> looks like it is the gnome window manager then 21:31:08 <SmatZ> :o) 21:31:54 <janklopper> looks pretty shiny :P 21:32:30 <janklopper> especially if you think back to what the original resolution was my 386 played this on 21:39:22 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest53 21:39:24 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-98-223-48-35.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:43:22 *** Guest53 [~Dale@c-98-223-48-35.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:44:15 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 21:49:15 *** Fogel [~Fogel@82.139.30.128] has joined #openttd 21:49:47 <Fogel> hello, is there any way to put a speed limit for some part of railroad? 21:50:08 <Rubidium> build a bridge 21:50:32 <Fogel> if f.ex. train has vmax 160kmh, and i want it to travel with 120 for 50 tiles 21:51:58 <welshdragon> use wagon speed restrictions 21:53:17 <SmatZ> build a bridge 21:53:34 <Prof_Frink> Build lots of bridges 21:53:55 <Yexo> build a very steep slope 21:54:11 <Prof_Frink> Use a slower engine 21:54:16 <SmatZ> send it to depot and replace the engine there 21:54:42 <Prof_Frink> Send a slower engine down the track ahead of it 21:54:47 <Fogel> slowest bridge is 177 21:54:59 <Fogel> more than train's vmax 21:55:07 <SmatZ> build longer bridge 21:55:11 <Fogel> (i use total bridge renewal set) 21:55:13 <Yexo> use another bridge set 21:55:37 <Fogel> ah, there is one 120 21:55:41 <Nite_Owl> station, timetables, wait times at station, will accomplish the same thing 21:56:38 <Nite_Owl> if that thing is spacing out your trains of course 21:57:04 <Fogel> i mean - i have 200 tiles long track, i want it to travel first 50 for 120 mph, next 100 with its max speed, last 50 again with 120 21:57:34 <Nite_Owl> why 21:57:59 <Fogel> to make it more realistic 21:58:35 <Prof_Frink> We don't approve of the R word in here. 21:58:38 <Nite_Owl> good thing Belugas went home already 22:00:09 <Fogel> why? i just wanted to make sth kinda similar to what we call Polish Railways, and there are a lot of speed limits here, i just wanted to simulate them a bit 22:00:46 <Nite_Owl> bottom line - there is no easy way to do that 22:00:54 <Yexo> the problem is that a lot of people are making suggestions "because it's realistic" 22:01:03 <SmatZ> maybe with orders... it would be simple 22:01:16 <SmatZ> and use waypoints to start/end "speed limited" segment 22:01:32 <Fogel> i thought about wapoints and timeytabled travels 22:01:36 <Eddi|zuHause> i support Fogel's request, but the reason is not "realism", but synchronising the flow on a busy main line 22:02:01 <SmatZ> hmm that probably won't work with orders, Eddi|zuHause 22:02:31 <Fogel> but it'll be difficult to find appropriate ticks number 22:02:36 <Eddi|zuHause> orders is only one solution to the problem 22:02:37 <Nite_Owl> mode separation works well for that 22:03:03 <Eddi|zuHause> no, Nite_Owl, it does not. it requires space for at least two parallel lines 22:03:08 <Eddi|zuHause> for each direction 22:04:25 <Nite_Owl> well you did not specify that you wanted a two track mainline 22:05:13 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: smatz * r16559 /trunk/src/ (14 files in 4 dirs): -Codechange: introduce Company::IsValidAiID() and Company::IsValidHumanID(), don't use IsHumanCompany() where possible 22:07:41 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejm148.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 22:11:00 *** Brianetta is now known as Brianetta|toast 22:11:18 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-13-33-45.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 22:11:45 <SmatZ> :-x 22:11:49 *** Brianetta|toast [~brian@client-82-13-33-45.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:11:51 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: smatz * r16560 /trunk/src/strings.cpp: -Fix (r16559): wrong replacement at one place 22:12:48 <SmatZ> why are some bugs visible only from the commit log :-x 22:13:20 <Eddi|zuHause> Nite_Owl: anyone who knows my building style can derive that... 22:13:57 <Eddi|zuHause> SmatZ: next time use a less descriptive commit message, ? la "move along, nothing to see here." 22:14:05 <Nite_Owl> please forgive my unfamiliarity 22:14:37 <Eddi|zuHause> Nite_Owl: technically, main lines can also be single tracked 22:15:08 <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause: most of my commits are of this kind 22:15:15 <SmatZ> it would be boring soon 22:15:18 <Nite_Owl> or is it please forgive my lack of familiarity 22:15:42 <Eddi|zuHause> Nite_Owl: i believe it's "infamiliar" 22:16:01 <Eddi|zuHause> but i have no logical rule to support that 22:16:38 <Nite_Owl> no, spell checker does not like that one 22:17:53 <Nite_Owl> true though - main lines can be any size you like 22:18:13 <Eddi|zuHause> that is even "realistic" 22:18:33 *** janklopper [~chatzilla@84-106-143-88.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:18:37 <Eddi|zuHause> especially in east germany, where the russians collected all the second tracks as reparation 22:19:20 <Nite_Owl> just as you prefer dual tracks, I prefer quad tracks when possible 22:19:24 <SmatZ> uhm 22:19:58 <Eddi|zuHause> SmatZ: what have you done now? 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