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00:05:08 *** Korenn [~kvirc@93-125-161-18.dsl.alice.nl] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.4.0 Virgo http://www.kvirc.net/] 00:07:51 *** Chicago_Rail_Authority [user@c-76-100-52-121.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: .] 00:09:59 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:14:42 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has quit [Quit: Bitches.] 00:46:26 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host81-156-5-103.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 00:46:53 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.23.125.18] has quit [Quit: Quit] 01:05:37 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has quit [Quit: Quit] 01:21:04 *** Biolunar_ [mahdi@blfd-4db012cf.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 01:28:24 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db03472.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:34:08 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: bbl.] 01:42:28 *** Progman_ [~progman@p57A1DD77.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:43:44 *** oskari89 [oskari89@dsl-kpobrasgw1-ff7cc100-243.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 01:49:58 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BCDB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:50:10 *** Progman_ is now known as Progman 01:54:41 *** Audigex [~audigex@89.241.52.238] has joined #openttd 01:54:54 <Audigex> heyhey 01:55:45 <Nite_Owl> Hello Audigex 01:56:00 <Audigex> hey 01:56:01 <Audigex> :) 01:57:44 <Nite_Owl> this is quiet time as most of the Europeans are asleep 02:02:39 <Audigex> aye, i probably should be too :-) 02:02:57 <Audigex> i would've thought there'd be more yanks on though? 02:03:10 <Audigex> what with it being about 5-11 ish over there 02:03:25 <Audigex> if my time zone guesses are right 02:04:01 <Nite_Owl> yanks are far and few between around here oddly enough 02:04:42 <Audigex> they dont have the same finesse for trains :-) 02:05:10 <Audigex> can you blame them? 50 varieties of diesel powerhouse 02:05:20 <Audigex> they're all the same 02:05:26 <Nite_Owl> US is not as heavily railed either 02:05:34 <Audigex> yeah, they love their cars 02:05:40 <Audigex> i always get bored with the NARS 02:05:44 <Audigex> nicely made, and looks good 02:05:56 <Audigex> but every single one is a hugely powerful diesel that tops out at 95mph 02:06:21 <Nite_Owl> Give the US Transition Set a try 02:06:34 <Audigex> what's that like? 02:07:40 <Nite_Owl> Similar to NARS but without the regearing and early start 02:07:47 <Audigex> regearing? 02:08:12 <Nite_Owl> so you have to be a bit more selective in your loco choice 02:10:31 <Audigex> what's the regearing in the NARS? 02:10:40 <Audigex> I may have missed part of it :-) 02:10:52 <Nite_Owl> yes regearing - most of the diesels in NARS v2 can be regeared to be fast or slow 02:12:10 <Nite_Owl> with a loss of traction, HP, etc. 02:12:44 <Audigex> didn't know that :-) 02:12:58 <Audigex> either way, i'm not a big fan of them just in terms of lack of variety 02:14:15 <Nite_Owl> The other US set I mentioned has lots of variety 02:15:45 <Nite_Owl> Approximately 75 different engines depending on climate 02:17:14 <Audigex> is that the "US Set" one? 02:17:22 <Audigex> i can't find the "transitional" one 02:17:29 <Nite_Owl> most likely 02:17:39 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82860.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:19:04 *** rortom [~rortom@p508EA8AE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:19:20 *** rortom [~rortom@p508EA926.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:19:22 <Nite_Owl> http://www.as-st.com/ttd/newusa/ 02:19:50 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81060.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 02:19:54 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 02:20:00 <Nite_Owl> be sure to get the ReadMe as well 02:20:03 <Audigex> ty 02:20:05 <Audigex> i willdo :-) 02:20:07 <Audigex> brb 02:20:11 <Audigex> little gent's room etc 02:29:01 <Nite_Owl> time to fly - later all 02:29:10 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 02:49:52 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1DD77.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:58:01 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:01:04 *** rortom [~rortom@p508EA926.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 03:08:54 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:12:57 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:34:34 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host81-156-5-103.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:39:14 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:43:10 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 04:33:55 *** Splex [~splex@c-24-245-55-70.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 04:59:09 *** Splex [~splex@c-24-245-55-70.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:36:27 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm74.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 05:48:10 *** Audigex [~audigex@89.241.52.238] has quit [] 06:09:29 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Quit: bye] 06:56:25 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm74.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:06:01 *** jonty-comp [~jonty@vps.jontysewell.net] has joined #openttd 07:17:14 *** Biolunar_ [mahdi@blfd-4db012cf.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:35:16 *** Ganneff [~joerg@ganneff.noc.oftc.net] has left #openttd [] 08:36:57 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:37:21 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 08:37:51 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAE8017.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 08:38:13 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has joined #openttd 08:49:32 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 09:02:11 <petern> oh 09:02:19 <petern> what've i done wrong :s 09:05:03 <Alberth> trusting that you are safe for water falling from the sky? 09:14:51 <petern> oh 09:14:52 <petern> wtf 09:15:08 <petern> i had forgotten a return statement at the end of a function 09:15:32 <petern> instead of the compiler complaining, it returned a pointer from somewhere else 09:16:52 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 09:16:53 <TinoDidriksen> But had a return statement in a conditional? 09:17:06 <petern> pardon? 09:17:43 <Tefad> talking about coding style 09:17:44 <TinoDidriksen> if() or other branch. 09:17:52 <Tefad> multiple return paths 09:18:03 * petern adds -Wall 09:18:07 <TinoDidriksen> It should very much complain about no return path, but may not complain about one path not having one. 09:18:24 <Tefad> instead of falling throw to the bottom and modifying a default return value along the way through the function 09:18:29 <Tefad> throw? through. 09:20:31 <TinoDidriksen> -Wall -Wextra -ansi -pendantic 09:21:50 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 09:24:22 <petern> TinoDidriksen, ta :) 09:25:08 <petern> warning: unused parameter 'argc' 09:25:09 <petern> hehe 09:37:52 *** Xaroth_ [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has joined #openttd 09:43:21 *** rortom [~rortom@p508EA926.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:44:23 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:52:46 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has joined #openttd 09:53:02 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has joined #openttd 09:55:00 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has joined #openttd 09:57:36 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has joined #openttd 09:59:21 *** Xaroth_ [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:13:11 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@user-5af0834f.wfd103.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:32:47 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-139-178.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 10:36:09 *** Korenn [~kvirc@93-125-161-18.dsl.alice.nl] has joined #openttd 10:51:02 <planetmaker> I just compiled binaries for nforenum and grfcodec of the current svn checkout. Find them there: http://mz.openttdcoop.org/bundles/grfdev 10:51:12 <planetmaker> And please tell me, if they don't work (especially windows) 10:53:57 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 10:57:00 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 10:57:18 *** theholyduck_ [freenode@167.80-202-138.nextgentel.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:06:13 *** oskari89 [oskari89@88.193.124.243] has joined #openttd 11:18:52 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has quit [Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: , sources date: 20090115, built on: 2009/03/07 00:45:02 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/] 11:19:19 *** Xaroth_ [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has joined #openttd 11:20:31 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:22:30 *** George3 is now known as George 11:23:27 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ff00b.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 11:26:10 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:30:06 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAE8017.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:34:05 *** rortom [~rortom@p508EA926.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 11:34:30 *** DJ-Burtybob [burtybob@92.23.160.31] has joined #openttd 11:36:17 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.9.39.0] has joined #openttd 11:42:32 *** otih_ [~otih@wir.machen.datensalat.eu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:42:53 <George> Hi. Question about banans 11:43:20 <George> Would it be possible to have some "impotant change" flag for GRF? 11:43:53 <George> So, if a game is started with the previous GRF version, it should be forced to use the new one? 11:45:05 <Alberth> as soon as we can change newgrfs in-game, that would become a feasible option. 11:45:30 <Ammler> Alberth: you can't? 11:45:34 <Alberth> however, fulfilling the pre-condition may take a long time 11:46:21 <Ammler> not supporting doesn't mean, it isn't possible. 11:46:41 <Alberth> Ammler: you don't get red error messages with "game may crash" texts when changing newgrf's in-game? 11:47:09 <Rubidium> George: that requires OpenTTD to have a direct internet connection when loading *any* savegame 11:47:16 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has joined #openttd 11:47:16 <Alberth> ah, you want a flag so you can force a crash :) 11:47:27 <Ammler> Alberth: yep, but it works, if you know, what you do. 11:47:54 <Rubidium> Ammler: history has shown most people do not know what they do 11:48:06 <Ammler> and a grf dev should know, if his grf is downwards compatible. 11:48:08 <Alberth> and with the flag, the grf author gets that control 11:48:59 <Rubidium> Alberth: only when the user consents to OpenTTD checking whether there is such a NewGRF each time you load/start a new game 11:49:47 <Rubidium> given the fact that lots of people still play offline *or* cannot connect to bananas from OpenTTD due to firewalls etc. this feature is bound to be incomplete 11:50:31 <Alberth> well, it could happen also when I upload a new grf version for the next game, then load the old game 11:51:02 <Alberth> (of course that is trickier as it implies copying of the flag to the user machine 11:51:04 <Rubidium> and what is a "impotant [sic] change"? And what NewGRFs should it exactly force to upgrade? What is people are using duplicate GRF IDs (YES that happens!) 11:51:50 <frosch123> and to which grfs should it apply, only the previous version (how shall it detect that), or shall isr 8 force upgrading from isr 1 11:51:56 <Rubidium> and what if I use ECS alpha1 town vector and George says ECS final 27.9 is an "important change"? Should it update? Bets are it is vastly incompatible 11:52:27 <Rubidium> frosch123: shall isr 8 with "important change" force downgrade from isr 9? 11:52:35 <frosch123> :p 11:52:54 <Ammler> the current problem now is also, if you have the newest version of a grf but also an older "buggier" version, if you then load a save with a 3rd version (somewhere between), then it could load the older buggier version. 11:52:56 <Alberth> and force from 8 -> 9 too :) 11:53:35 *** DJ-Burtybob [burtybob@92.23.160.31] has left #openttd [] 11:53:39 <frosch123> so, only solution: wait for noai to establish an approved solution for ais, and the do the same for newgrfs including "minimal savegame version" 11:53:47 <Rubidium> Ammler: but *forcing* an update doesn't solve your problem! 11:54:04 *** Xaroth_ [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:54:05 <Ammler> forcing a update would mean, it needs versioning 11:54:13 <Ammler> so you have both :-) 11:54:31 <Rubidium> you *just* need a versioning system in NewGRFs 11:54:33 <Korenn> I don't want games to force anything on me. it can suggest stuff to me, but I should have the control 11:55:19 <Rubidium> preferably one that tells me what version is newest and what version is the (newest) *compatible* version for a savegame 11:55:38 <Ammler> Rubidium: why is that such a big issue? 11:56:44 <Ammler> compatiblity "should" be there with the GRFID 11:56:58 <Rubidium> Ammler: if I've a savegame with ISR 8.0 and ISR 8.1 and ISR 9.0 on my hard disk (available for OTTD), which one should it chose? The compatible one or the incompatible but newer one? 11:57:33 <Rubidium> Ammler: we ALL know that GRFIDs are not changed at all, regardless of the specs kindly suggesting to that on incompatible changes 11:57:36 <Ammler> he, isn't that obvious? 11:58:05 <Rubidium> with either "forcing" or "take the newest" you're screwed 11:58:16 <Alberth> no, in particular if I hate the new features in 9.0 11:58:35 <George> Rubidium: It may need a field to choose version to replace 11:58:38 <Ammler> Alberth: I meant of course 8.1 11:59:14 <Ammler> as 9.0 should have a new GRFID 11:59:40 <Rubidium> Ammler: we all know that that ain't going to happen unless enforced 12:00:15 <Alberth> Ammler: so can you not extend in a backwards compatible way and call that 8.1? I still am getting new stuff I don't necessarily want 12:00:16 <Ammler> well, sometimes, they do, sometimes not 12:00:31 <Ammler> but mostly because they aren't aware of the need. 12:01:02 <Ammler> it is something introduces from OpenTTD 12:01:21 <Rubidium> Ammler: what is? 12:01:34 <Rubidium> the request to change grfid when making it incompatible? 12:01:42 <Ammler> that you load another GRID with same ID 12:01:51 <Ammler> GRF* :-) 12:01:56 <George> Rubidium: What is wring in adding versions to GRFs? 12:02:16 <Ammler> ttdpatch does only look for the path 12:02:20 <George> As soon as it tested with AIs .. 12:02:21 <Rubidium> George: nothing, just that it is something that someone needs to do 12:02:58 <George> Rubidium: I hope AIs code can be used? at least as idea? 12:04:16 <Ammler> Alberth: if you don't want to update, don't download teh newer version. 12:05:15 <Ammler> well, indeed, updating shouldn't be forced but somehow supported. 12:05:45 <Alberth> Ammler: how do you find out you don't like the new features then? 12:06:15 <Ammler> but now it does load a random grf, why is that better? 12:07:04 <Alberth> it's not 12:07:32 <Ammler> so wouldn't be loading the newest compatible be best alternative? 12:08:28 <Ammler> (and if the exact same newgrf is availabe, giving a option to update) 12:09:03 <Alberth> Don't know. As long as the user is in control, it does not matter much what you propose by default. 12:09:33 <Ammler> hmm, well, you could update by removing and readding 12:10:49 <Ammler> he, now I see, it isn't a big thing with the gui, you have that problem only on the console. 12:13:22 *** otih [~otih@wir.machen.datensalat.eu] has joined #openttd 12:30:59 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 12:34:57 <welshdragon> i'm not the server admin 12:35:18 <welshdragon> but is2 beta 3 seems to be causing a lot of desyncs 12:40:02 <Ammler> welshdragon: could you reproduce them? 12:40:29 <welshdragon> Ammler: /join #is2-prozone 12:59:42 <Ammler> dbg: [grf] [2cc_trainset.beta_2.02/2ccdj.grf:1] FeatureChangeInfo: Invalid pseudo sprite length 4 (expected 6)! <-- could that desync? 13:00:20 <Rubidium> not really as it happens for all clients 13:00:34 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:02:44 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has joined #openttd 13:21:52 *** oskari89 [oskari89@88.193.124.243] has quit [] 13:27:02 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@user-5af0834f.wfd103.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:29:59 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm74.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 13:36:15 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1DD77.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:39:26 <Eddi|zuHause> <planetmaker> indeed. Probably is patience ~age^x with x > 1 <- you might wanna limit age to >0, too ;) 13:39:46 <Eddi|zuHause> and add a personality constant 13:40:09 <Eddi|zuHause> some people are never really going to be patient 13:40:42 *** reldred [~reldred@115.131.211.97] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:41:13 <Alberth> he just discussed the general shape of the curve :p 13:43:42 *** Xaroth_ [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has joined #openttd 13:44:58 <Eddi|zuHause> <petern> planetmaker, impatient <- the last time i tried to put up a rule when to use which prefix, it came out like: "un-" when the word starts with a vowel, "im-" when it starts with a "p", "ir-" when it starts with an "r", and "in-" when it starts with another consonants... but probably there are more exceptions than words following this rule ;) 13:45:29 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:46:04 <Eddi|zuHause> and yes, i am reading a day-old backlog :p 13:46:27 <Alberth> You can always explicitly list the words that you support by the rule :p 13:47:04 <Eddi|zuHause> unavailable 13:47:12 <Eddi|zuHause> irresponsible 13:47:16 <Eddi|zuHause> impossible 13:47:29 <Alberth> not now plz 13:47:38 <Eddi|zuHause> ;) 13:48:16 <Eddi|zuHause> all those have a double meaning with your question ;( 13:48:18 <Eddi|zuHause> ;) 13:49:18 <Eddi|zuHause> but then there are words like inedible 13:49:57 <Eddi|zuHause> oh, and i forgot "illogical" 13:50:14 <Eddi|zuHause> all that is so much easier in german... 13:51:03 <Eddi|zuHause> in 95% of the cases it is "un-" in german 13:54:27 <Korenn> inflammable :P 13:54:47 <Alberth> Unfortunately, I could not follow German instead of French in high school 14:02:42 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.216.44] has joined #openttd 14:09:53 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.200.26] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:20:31 *** J_Darnley [~jamesdarn@d54C280AB.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 14:20:54 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has joined #openttd 14:27:31 *** Xaroth_ [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:29:11 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAE8017.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 14:30:11 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16680 /trunk/src/economy.cpp: -Codechange: don't go through all the station unloading stuff when there is no vehicle at the station 14:31:04 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 14:33:22 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16681 /trunk/src/economy.cpp: -Codechange: only resolve the company once for vehicle payment instead of each time a cargo packet is delivered 14:36:14 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:36:37 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16682 /trunk/src/economy.cpp: -Codechange: make (static) industry list used to trigger the industries' production compile unit static instead of passing it around as pointer 14:36:43 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: breaking fonsinchen's patch? :p 14:38:41 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.161.138] has joined #openttd 14:40:01 <Rubidium> I wouldn't dare ;) 14:40:19 <Rubidium> I am breaking my own patch though 14:46:45 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db012cf.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 14:56:29 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@77.163.150.18] has joined #openttd 14:57:06 *** theholyduck [freenode@167.80-202-138.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 15:11:45 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.161.138] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 15:12:00 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAE8017.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:13:11 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16683 /trunk/ (5 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: move the cargo payment handling to a seperate class. Based on ideas of fonso/fonsinchen. 15:17:11 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: alberth * r16684 /trunk/ (6 files in 4 dirs): -Codechange: Add maxdim function for Dimension struct. 15:25:34 *** oskari89 [oskari89@dsl-kpobrasgw1-ff7cc100-243.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 15:32:25 <petern> doesn't r16678 mean some pointless copying of data in some cases? 15:32:50 <petern> returning a struct rather than a pointer to a struct 15:33:35 <petern> in Get(Production|Acceptance)AroundTiles 15:35:19 *** Korenn [~kvirc@93-125-161-18.dsl.alice.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:37:34 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAE8017.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 15:53:23 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.161.138] has joined #openttd 15:59:19 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81060.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:01:34 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82DA2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:01:37 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 16:04:19 *** oskari89 [oskari89@dsl-kpobrasgw1-ff7cc100-243.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:06:52 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1DD77.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:12:40 <rasco> Ammler: 16:12:43 <rasco> you there? 16:13:20 <rasco> or does anyone else know whether basecosts.grf is in content.openttd.org? 16:13:26 <rasco> because i cant find it there 16:15:11 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, it is there 16:15:41 <Eddi|zuHause> i got it from there a while back... 16:15:47 <rasco> hmm 16:15:59 <rasco> where the hell 16:16:16 <Eddi|zuHause> if in doubt, it should also be on grfcrawler 16:16:16 <rasco> theres only Modified Building Costs 16:16:27 *** oskari89 [oskari89@88.193.124.243] has joined #openttd 16:16:40 <rasco> well but i need people to be able to get it via in-game downloader 16:18:00 <Ammler> rasco: I can upload it 16:18:04 <Eddi|zuHause> actually you don't. you can create a game locally with basecosts, then remove the grf from the savegame 16:18:23 <Eddi|zuHause> then load the savegame on the server 16:18:31 <Eddi|zuHause> so people do not need the grf 16:18:39 <Ammler> indeed. 16:18:51 <Eddi|zuHause> this is one of the rare cases where removing a grf actually works 16:19:02 <rasco> Eddi|zuHause: uhhh but i have random maps 16:19:04 <Ammler> :-) 16:19:07 <rasco> Eddi|zuHause: my server is on 24/7 16:19:17 <rasco> Ammler: that would be reeealy cool 16:20:20 <Rubidium> :O more underused servers 16:20:52 <rasco> Rubidium: whaddya mean? 16:21:09 <Rubidium> on average number of players < number of servers 16:21:18 * Belugas thinks that users creating servers are acutally users who like to see the game running with zero intervention on their part... 16:21:22 <Rubidium> meaning that on average you are alone on a server 16:21:30 * Belugas goes back to freaking real life 16:21:36 <rasco> my server is pretty well visited :) 16:22:15 <Ammler> rasco: it is there, just hidden from main stream users ;-) 16:22:30 <Ammler> but it should be accessable if loaded on the server 16:23:00 <Ammler> if not, tell me, then I need to change min version 16:24:03 <rasco> yey it works 16:24:05 <rasco> awesome 16:25:06 <Ammler> yw 16:25:14 <rasco> Belugas: care to explain more exactly what you mean 16:25:19 <Ammler> it isn't a really nice code 16:25:23 <rasco> Ammler: thanks alot 16:26:22 <Rubidium> rasco: what Belugas means is that servers need to be managed in some way otherwise people will cheat/'deface' your server 16:26:32 <Rubidium> and give it a bad name etc. 16:27:07 <rasco> yup, i have 4 or 5 admins, and discard town destroying commands and stuff like that 16:27:19 <rasco> could be more admins but oh well.. 16:27:49 <Ammler> 1 is already more then 90% of the other servers have. ;-) 16:27:55 <rasco> of course its not soo easy to find trusworthy ones especially when it's a high score server 16:32:41 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051149136.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 16:52:17 <Ammler> what's a high score server? 16:54:53 <rasco> the game ends when one company reaches a company value of x 16:55:17 <rasco> the companies on the first places get scores 16:55:39 <rasco> (works with !login etc. commands in chat) 16:56:34 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAE8017.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:03:07 <Ammler> rasco: can you define different goals? 17:03:17 <Ammler> or just company value? 17:03:39 <rasco> at the moment it's only company value 17:03:49 <rasco> but i had a server back a few months ago where 17:04:05 <rasco> where you had to connect at max 10 cities with one train 17:04:24 <rasco> the more cities the train passed the more points you got 17:04:39 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc1-norw5-0-0-cust3.pete.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 17:04:44 <rasco> (quite a dirty hack in coding terms, but it worked :)) 17:06:30 <Ammler> when do the best players usually play? 17:08:58 <rasco> at what time of the day? 17:11:54 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc1-norw5-0-0-cust3.pete.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:15:05 <Ammler> rasco: yeah 17:15:16 <Ammler> when is it worth to join? 17:17:03 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82DA2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Icebears are cute. 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But WT3's search function made searching easier :) 18:51:44 <rasco> well alot of people are not very "aggressive" 18:55:39 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Quit: ecke] 19:10:26 <rasco> Ammler: any ideas how it could be improved? 19:11:19 <Ammler> he, I started a company 19:12:02 <Ammler> but I didn't check the start year 19:12:08 <Ammler> 1930, lol 19:12:41 <Ammler> there is no trains in default set until 1950, you know? 19:13:09 <rasco> oh damn is it 1930? gah, i forgot to recompile 19:13:28 <Ammler> well, we have one :-) 19:13:56 <Ammler> you could use 2cc set with parameter 9 19:15:59 <rasco> ah there is one train available? pheww.. 19:16:06 <rasco> okay no problem then. just freakin early :) 19:17:35 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db012cf.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Quit: gn8] 19:22:10 <Ammler> well, you have the same engine now for 20 years 19:24:58 <rasco> i changed the starting_year randomizer to include more early years a while ago. maybe i should change it back. what do you think? 19:25:50 *** statisti [~lucho@189.20.195.43] has joined #openttd 19:25:52 *** statisti [~lucho@189.20.195.43] has left #openttd [] 19:27:27 *** lopiano [~gama@190.198.103.150] has joined #openttd 19:27:27 *** lopiano [~gama@190.198.103.150] has left #openttd [] 19:28:15 <Ammler> rasco: well, if you play for 2 hours, starting at 1930 with default set is stupid. 19:28:29 *** drummond [~pradyumn@219.157.127.237] has joined #openttd 19:28:29 *** drummond [~pradyumn@219.157.127.237] has left #openttd [] 19:29:57 *** mehmet [~issi@120.50.176.184] has joined #openttd 19:29:58 <mehmet> Join The Army Here: http://www.hawkee.com/snippet/6292/ 19:29:58 *** mehmet [~issi@120.50.176.184] has left #openttd [] 19:30:40 <Rubidium> why would you recruit people for the army in here? 19:30:44 *** allman [~chiverto@1898729133.ssa.megazon.com.br] has joined #openttd 19:30:46 *** allman [~chiverto@1898729133.ssa.megazon.com.br] has left #openttd [] 19:31:04 *** burch [~wilke@80.148.17.23] has joined #openttd 19:31:05 <burch> Join The Army Here: http://www.hawkee.com/snippet/6292/ 19:31:05 *** burch [~wilke@80.148.17.23] has left #openttd [] 19:31:26 *** burch [~wilke@80.148.17.23] has joined #openttd 19:31:26 *** burch [~wilke@80.148.17.23] has left #openttd [] 19:31:56 <Ammler> oftc has very bad spam filter 19:32:01 <Rubidium> [x] unfit (for the Dutchies: ongeschikt) 19:32:07 <Ammler> I never see such things on freendoe 19:32:28 <Alberth> I have already served out majesty :) 19:33:10 <Ammler> I am at day 200, need around 230 19:34:25 <Rubidium> Ammler: that you don't see it on freenode might very well be due to: 19:34:27 <rasco> hehe, click this button to be recruited 19:34:41 <Rubidium> a) freenode kicking people without actually doing something wrong 19:34:59 <Rubidium> b) you are not in a 'public' (by connection) enough channel 19:35:47 <Rubidium> after all, those bots usually roam using whois 19:35:59 <LadyHawk> freenode eh? 19:36:07 <LadyHawk> i have some fun experiences with freenode as well 19:36:12 <Rubidium> freenode, the server where you can't join #openttd 19:36:59 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm74.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: :o] 19:37:00 <Ammler> hehe 19:37:12 <Ammler> well, suse is there 19:37:21 <LadyHawk> i was in a channel that was forced to leave 19:37:24 <LadyHawk> on freenode 19:37:38 <LadyHawk> because we were victims of an attack 19:38:13 <LadyHawk> same happened on dalnet 19:38:14 *** cyrus [~brod@p50999cd2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:38:15 <cyrus> Join The Army Here: http://www.hawkee.com/snippet/6292/ 19:38:15 *** cyrus [~brod@p50999cd2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #openttd [] 19:38:55 *** Ganneff [~joerg@ganneff.noc.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 19:39:00 <LadyHawk> are these guys um... getting blocked in the spamfilter? 19:39:13 <LadyHawk> with /!\ in their part message by any chance? 19:39:50 *** nsergiy [~nsergiy@17-46-179-94.pool.ukrtel.net] has joined #openttd 19:42:50 *** oskari89 [oskari89@88.193.124.243] has joined #openttd 19:46:19 <Ammler> LadyHawk: same happened here with opendoom clans, afaik. 19:48:15 *** Aali_ [~aali@84-217-25-171.tn.glocalnet.net] has joined #openttd 19:48:26 <SpComb> more like fighting amongst themselves 19:48:31 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has joined #openttd 19:50:03 *** Aali [~aali@84-217-31-56.tn.glocalnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:59:04 *** NightKhaos [~nightkhao@78-86-111-126.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:02:15 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 20:03:42 *** NightKhaos [~nightkhao@78-86-111-126.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [] 20:07:23 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-31-55-189.nrth.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 20:10:05 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: alberth * r16687 /trunk/src/ (settings_gui.cpp window.cpp window_func.h window_gui.h): -Codechange: Perform re-initialization of windows with nested widgets after a language change. 20:22:11 *** nsergiy [~nsergiy@17-46-179-94.pool.ukrtel.net] has left #openttd [] 20:25:19 <SmatZ> I was thinking about making channel +m and use "delayed autovoice" feature 20:25:36 <SmatZ> but it needs someone with ops to be connected 20:25:40 * glx votes for +R 20:25:44 <SmatZ> with client with ability for that 20:25:55 <SmatZ> (konversation can't do delayed autovoice :-/ 20:26:12 <SmatZ> glx: yeah, but I am afraid too many people would be forbidden to join then :( 20:26:24 <SmatZ> maybe only when there is a wave of spam :) 20:29:40 <Ammler> can't the bot do that? 20:29:52 <SmatZ> I don't know 20:29:59 <Ammler> KenjiE20: ? 20:30:02 <SmatZ> DorpsGek isn't user-friendly when I ask him for "help" 20:32:03 <frosch123> autovoice? so the average join-anyonehere-leave-noob has to skip the anyonehere part? 20:32:33 <rasco> Ammler: do you have any recommended settings for base_costs together with av8? 20:32:54 <Ammler> check the wiki 20:33:14 <Ammler> it should theoretically support it, but I said, it is very old ugly code 20:33:37 <SmatZ> frosch123: do you mind? :) 20:33:55 <frosch123> might become quite in here :) 20:33:56 <Ammler> well, autovoice after around 5 secs is already fine 20:34:03 <SmatZ> frosch123: maybe he will think there is anyone actually here when someone gives him voice ;) 20:34:04 <frosch123> s/quite/quiet/ 20:34:16 <Ammler> or does such a spamer stay longer? 20:34:36 <SmatZ> no... it joins, spams and leaves in 1 second :) 20:34:52 <SmatZ> but I am afraid it can change in future... 20:34:54 <Ammler> DorpsGek could also make a motd with links to the wiki and search 20:35:35 <Ammler> SmatZ: you just have to be faster then ;-) 20:36:09 <frosch123> hehe, "enter the second word of the page about transfers in the wiki to gain voice" 20:36:11 <SmatZ> :-) 20:36:49 <planetmaker> frosch123: why 2nd? 20:36:56 <planetmaker> You want people to read it. 20:36:57 <Ammler> http://en.znc.in/wiki/Autovoice 20:37:01 <frosch123> planetmaker: randomised 20:37:02 <SmatZ> :-D 20:37:04 <planetmaker> 2nd last of 3rd paragraph 20:37:17 <SmatZ> Ammler: nice :) 20:37:34 <SmatZ> Supybot seems to know to autovoice only people on "autovoice list" 20:37:59 <SmatZ> <*status> No such module [autovoice] 20:38:01 <SmatZ> hm no :) 20:48:36 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 20:50:05 <Ammler> [22:37] <SmatZ> Supybot seems to know to autovoice only people on "autovoice list" <-- same with znc according to the help 20:51:39 <LadyHawk> [28/6][20:46:22] <Ammler> LadyHawk: same happened here with opendoom clans, afaik. << those bots just seem too familiar to me 20:52:03 <LadyHawk> they're a major pain in the bum on my own irc server 20:52:19 <LadyHawk> they keep changing their spam 20:52:23 <LadyHawk> and never stop coming 20:53:24 <LadyHawk> it's some irc proxy bullsh*t and once you start using it, it turns you into a spambot because their software goes and spams 20:53:58 <Sacro> hey LadyHawk! 20:54:09 <LadyHawk> hi Sacro 20:55:52 <Sacro> How are you? 20:55:59 <LadyHawk> i'm ok 20:57:50 <Ammler> autovoice of znc does voice immediately, that wouldn't work 21:07:38 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:09:32 <andythenorth> thoughts on cable cars? 21:09:33 <andythenorth> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=41770 21:10:05 <LadyHawk> i thought you could set a delay in znc Ammler? 21:11:47 <LadyHawk> hmm i can't see it anywhere 21:15:23 *** thingwath [~thingwath@147.251.200.254] has joined #openttd 21:23:50 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: alberth * r16688 /trunk/src/ (intro_gui.cpp town_gui.cpp): -Codechange: Some cleanup of intro screen and town directory. 21:23:55 *** rortom [~rortom@p508EA926.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:25:43 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ff00b.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:27:09 *** Aali_ is now known as Aali 21:38:11 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1DD77.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:38:49 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.161.138] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:46:29 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.161.138] has joined #openttd 21:52:00 *** Ammler [~ammler@ammler.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:53:21 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:55:44 *** Ammler [~ammler@ammler.ch] has joined #openttd 21:59:28 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 22:00:13 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.161.138] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 22:15:35 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has quit [Quit: Bitches.] 22:18:27 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@77.163.150.18] has quit [Quit: I love my HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-] 22:22:22 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-139-178.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:23:38 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: alberth * r16689 /trunk/src/ (intro_gui.cpp town_gui.cpp widget.cpp window_gui.h): -Codechange: Allow for rendering of parameterized text of nested widgets in Window::DrawWidget, adapt intro and town directory windows. 22:29:34 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 22:34:27 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@80.247.163.107] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:40:05 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@80.247.163.107] has joined #openttd 22:42:32 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: michi_cc * r16690 /trunk/src/yapf/yapf_node_rail.hpp: -Fix [FS#3002]: Missing debug string for ESRB_SAFE_TILE in YAPF debugging helper. 22:42:55 *** Splex [~splex@c-24-245-55-70.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 22:51:31 *** fonsinchen [~alve@Vb4e8.v.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 22:54:28 *** Audigex [~audigex@89.240.145.155] has joined #openttd 22:54:39 <Audigex> heyhey 22:55:47 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:09:13 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )] 23:24:06 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:27:06 *** reldred [~reldred@wirele5.lnk.telstra.net] has joined #openttd 23:33:02 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75C77.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 23:33:18 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77C0C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:41:26 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host81-156-5-103.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 23:42:08 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.9.39.0] has quit [Quit: Quit] 23:51:43 *** rortom [~rortom@p508EA926.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 23:52:16 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051149136.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 23:56:31 *** reldred [~reldred@wirele5.lnk.telstra.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:57:22 *** fonsinchen1 [~alve@BAEeae3.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 23:59:06 *** reldred [~reldred@wirele5.lnk.telstra.net] has joined #openttd