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00:12:27 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has quit [Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: , sources date: 20090115, built on: 2009/03/07 00:45:02 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/] 00:12:29 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host86-171-244-43.range86-171.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 00:12:58 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.8.22.103] has quit [Quit: Quit] 00:13:36 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-0-123-9.nrth.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: Tsch?ss] 00:20:41 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e179089107.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 00:25:52 *** Chruker [~no@0x5da34ce4.vjnqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [] 00:28:48 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-25-100-249.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:49:59 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 01:00:25 *** Zuu [~Zuu@S0106000f3d50466b.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 01:01:19 <Zuu> Nooo, daily backup of tt-forums, and it is not even close to night over here in west Canada. 01:01:44 <Belugas> nor in east canada ;) 01:01:52 <Belugas> but i guess we are in minority 01:02:09 <Belugas> therefor, the time is well chosen ^_^ 01:02:28 <Belugas> unless if the backup is pushed like... 3 hours later 01:02:40 <Zuu> hehe, yea. But even usually when I am in Europe I'm sometimes awake when the backup is made. 01:03:05 <Belugas> hoooo... mister globe trotter... 01:03:07 <Zuu> But here its only 6 pm, so you should be eating dinner or so not checking tt-forums anyways. 01:03:25 * Belugas is going down, tv 01:03:33 <Belugas> it's 21:00h after all.. 01:03:38 <Zuu> Oh, have a nice TV time 01:18:59 *** Zuu [~Zuu@S0106000f3d50466b.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:27:16 *** Zuu [~Zuu@S0106000f3d50466b.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 01:27:33 *** Zuu [~Zuu@S0106000f3d50466b.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [] 01:39:37 *** kkb1101 [~kkb110@c-68-82-181-52.hsd1.de.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:13:32 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 02:27:36 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host86-171-244-43.range86-171.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:38:01 *** nicfer [~Usuario@168.226.105.4] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:44:41 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:08:46 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:12:30 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:38:56 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:42:47 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:44:54 *** bp0 [~opera@watertownDHCP-94.216-254-228.iw.net] has joined #openttd 03:47:41 <bp0> hello, how to get the music in llinux? 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08:45:39 <ZxBiohazardZx> smallmap-zoom_r16780.diff 08:45:55 <ZxBiohazardZx> i cant apply teh darn patch, and i dont understand why i cannot do it 08:46:08 <ZxBiohazardZx> i just got myself a clean trunk and latest revision 08:46:26 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 08:46:54 <Rubidium> patch -p1? 08:47:19 <ZxBiohazardZx> im using tha tortoise differ:P 08:47:23 <Rubidium> i.e. tortoisesvn apply 08:47:29 <Rubidium> +won't 08:47:31 <ZxBiohazardZx> yes i did, but its empty XD 08:47:44 <ZxBiohazardZx> yes it wont work with tortoise:) 08:48:08 <ZxBiohazardZx> 1) why not the previous version did....2) what other program can i use as complete n00b 08:48:33 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 08:48:42 <Rubidium> ZxBiohazardZx: because TortoiseSVN requires a *very* specific format patch files... 08:49:00 <Rubidium> ... and that patch isn't in that specific format 08:49:02 <ZxBiohazardZx> @rubidium, yes but the previous patch files in there had that:( 08:49:10 <ZxBiohazardZx> how can i patch it then? 08:49:12 <Rubidium> you need 'patch' 08:49:20 <ZxBiohazardZx> where i get thatXD 08:49:35 <ZxBiohazardZx> and is it just as "easy" 08:49:54 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 08:50:16 <Rubidium> depends what you call easy 08:50:21 <ZxBiohazardZx> cause i use tortoise svn and meush's guide 08:50:33 <ZxBiohazardZx> i think MINGW was a hell XD but i figured that out 08:50:41 <ZxBiohazardZx> so just point me to the right program 08:50:48 <ZxBiohazardZx> and ill try wikiing my way through:P 08:51:09 <Rubidium> http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/patch.htm 08:51:53 <ZxBiohazardZx> download "complete package except sources" ? 08:52:32 <Rubidium> depends on whether you want to compile it yourself or not 08:52:42 <ZxBiohazardZx> no i hate compiling:P 08:52:51 <ZxBiohazardZx> i think i got it running:P installed that is 08:54:14 <ZxBiohazardZx> alright it opens some sort of command prompt window (correct?) 08:54:23 <Rubidium> well, it's a command line tool 08:54:26 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [] 08:54:27 <ZxBiohazardZx> XD 08:54:36 <ZxBiohazardZx> so yeah command prompt would be right:P 08:54:49 <ZxBiohazardZx> alright now i got to browse my way to the "trunk" dir? 08:54:59 <Rubidium> yup 08:55:08 <ZxBiohazardZx> cd c:/ etc? 08:55:41 <ZxBiohazardZx> zomg that doesnt do shit XD 08:57:39 <ZxBiohazardZx> eeehm how do i browse dirs in the patch prog? 08:57:52 <ZxBiohazardZx> cause i get a command prompt, but no feedback in it at all 08:59:05 <Rubidium> see the 'how to apply patch' thread on the forum 08:59:22 <ZxBiohazardZx> @rubidium got any guide or so to using this program, cause wiki only points to tortoise :( 08:59:33 <petern> open a command window 08:59:43 <ZxBiohazardZx> i have the command window opened 08:59:43 <petern> go to your source tree 08:59:51 <petern> run patch there 08:59:58 <ZxBiohazardZx> i cant get to tree 09:00:02 <ZxBiohazardZx> i cant even browse 09:00:06 <petern> no 09:00:08 <ZxBiohazardZx> ow wait you want me to plain run cmd 09:00:10 <petern> run a command window 09:00:12 <ZxBiohazardZx> not the binary 09:00:13 <ZxBiohazardZx> kk 09:00:18 <petern> fuck sake 09:00:26 <petern> do people know fucking nothing about anything these days 09:00:26 <ZxBiohazardZx> hey im complete n00b, kk 09:00:28 <petern> fucking idiots 09:00:33 <ZxBiohazardZx> petern nothing about this on the wiki 09:00:42 <petern> BASIC FUCKING PC KNOWLEDGE IMBECILE 09:00:44 <ZxBiohazardZx> and thx for flaming, im trying to learn:) 09:00:52 <ZxBiohazardZx> i know how to get my cmd kkthx 09:00:53 <TrueBrain> petern: please don't forget to take your pills 09:00:57 <TrueBrain> like .. every hour 09:00:59 <petern> TrueBrain, shit 09:01:00 <petern> yeah 09:01:04 <petern> sorry ZxBiohazardZx man 09:01:14 <ZxBiohazardZx> but nobody told me to start cmd, i though you wanted me to get the patch-prog-cmd 09:01:15 <ZxBiohazardZx> :) 09:01:20 <ZxBiohazardZx> kk im in the trunk dir:) 09:01:22 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CBE3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:01:33 <ZxBiohazardZx> fuck lol i suck @ cmd:P 09:01:48 <TrueBrain> Get a good book, I say :) 09:01:51 <petern> then it's something like "patch -p1 < \path\to\patch.diff" 09:01:53 <ZxBiohazardZx> its cd c:/ right? (to get to c:\ from c:\ bla bal bla 09:02:03 <petern> oh 09:02:07 <ZxBiohazardZx> XD yes:) 09:02:09 <ZxBiohazardZx> sweet:) 09:02:11 <ZxBiohazardZx> i can do this:P 09:02:20 <petern> lol 09:02:21 <ZxBiohazardZx> im in trunk dir:) 09:02:23 <petern> what a moment i had 09:02:28 * petern goes to get a coffee 09:02:32 <ZxBiohazardZx> hehe 09:02:37 <TrueBrain> petern: get one for me too please 09:02:44 <ZxBiohazardZx> skip me:) 09:02:51 <ZxBiohazardZx> i already have mine:) 09:02:57 <ZxBiohazardZx> im in trunk dir 09:03:02 <ZxBiohazardZx> so now i got to specefy patch? 09:04:03 <ZxBiohazardZx> the trunk is: c:\BuildOTTD\trunk and the patch is in c:\BuildOTTD 09:04:20 <TrueBrain> [11:01] <petern> then it's something like "patch -p1 < \path\to\patch.diff" 09:05:08 <ZxBiohazardZx> step by step explaination plz:) 09:05:10 <ZxBiohazardZx> i get the patch:P 09:05:16 <TrueBrain> you type in the letters: 09:05:18 <TrueBrain> p 09:05:19 <ZxBiohazardZx> thats stating you want to do that:P 09:05:19 <TrueBrain> a 09:05:21 <TrueBrain> t 09:05:22 <TrueBrain> c 09:05:23 <ZxBiohazardZx> kk thx 09:05:24 <TrueBrain> h 09:05:25 <TrueBrain> <spacebar> 09:05:29 <ZxBiohazardZx> i can do that 09:05:34 <ZxBiohazardZx> but then the -p whats that for? 09:05:37 <TrueBrain> I start to doubt that ;) 09:05:43 <ZxBiohazardZx> kk thx true:) 09:06:14 <TrueBrain> http://linux.die.net/man/1/patch 09:06:20 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:06:31 <ZxBiohazardZx> kkthx much better:) 09:06:38 <TrueBrain> (if you want to know the details, use the manual) 09:06:48 <TrueBrain> (else just accept what wel tell you :p) 09:08:17 <petern> actually 09:08:18 <ZxBiohazardZx> hehe kk 09:08:22 <petern> i got a cup of tea 09:08:27 <ZxBiohazardZx> patch -pnum <patchfile (how to determine num?) 09:09:01 <TrueBrain> for all we care: try and error 09:09:08 <ZxBiohazardZx> and for my patch: c:\BuildOTTD\smallmap-zoom_r16780 it would be 09:09:30 <ZxBiohazardZx> patch -p0 < smallmap-zoom_r16780.diff ? 09:09:56 <TrueBrain> TRY IT 09:09:58 <ZxBiohazardZx> trunk being c:\BuildOTTD\trunk and patch c:\BuildOTTD\smallmap-zoom_r16780? 09:09:59 <TrueBrain> it wouldn't kill you 09:10:02 <ZxBiohazardZx> lol 09:10:10 <TrueBrain> if it fails, try something else 09:10:24 <TrueBrain> and if you want someone to hold your hand ... well .. wrong channel :) 09:10:38 <ZxBiohazardZx> :) 09:10:42 <ZxBiohazardZx> i like holding hands:) 09:10:46 <ZxBiohazardZx> kk cannot find file:) 09:11:05 <ZxBiohazardZx> does that mean i have to change the filename into full dir-location? 09:11:42 <TrueBrain> I think he does have a brain after all :) 09:12:04 <ZxBiohazardZx> patch is not recognized as internal or external assignment, program or batchfile 09:12:09 <ZxBiohazardZx> (dutch version) 09:12:17 <TrueBrain> so what should we do about that? 09:12:23 <ZxBiohazardZx> no freaking clue 09:12:30 <TrueBrain> really? 09:12:31 <ZxBiohazardZx> i think the patch-program isnt working:P 09:12:32 <TrueBrain> none? 09:12:56 <ZxBiohazardZx> i think the "patch" program isnt functioning as the "patch" command isnt recognised? 09:13:02 <TrueBrain> if I would put a cup of coffee in your living room, and put you in the bathtub, would you be able to drink the cup of coffee? 09:13:07 <ZxBiohazardZx> but im 100% sure i installed the godamn prog 09:13:13 <ZxBiohazardZx> hehe 09:13:18 <TrueBrain> in fact, would you be able to SEE the cup of coffee? 09:13:26 <ZxBiohazardZx> i guess not 09:13:38 <ZxBiohazardZx> but i just said i pointed to the coffee:P 09:13:45 <TrueBrain> so maybe, just maybe, you want to tell your ocmmand line where exactly 'the cup of coffee' is 09:13:57 <TrueBrain> no, you yelled really hard: CUP OF COFFEE!!! 09:14:03 <TrueBrain> but coffee is known for not replying 09:14:17 <ZxBiohazardZx> i just stated: patch -p0 < c:\BuildOTTD\smallmap-zoom_r16780 09:14:43 <ZxBiohazardZx> but it replies with (dutch) patch wordt niet herkend als interne of externe opdrach, programma of batchbestand 09:14:45 <TrueBrain> where is patch located? 09:15:07 <ZxBiohazardZx> patch: c:\BuildOTTD\smallmap-zoom_r16780.diff 09:15:11 <ZxBiohazardZx> thats the patchfile 09:15:13 <TrueBrain> no no, the application 09:15:18 <ZxBiohazardZx> ow lol 09:15:37 <petern> hehe 09:15:40 <petern> put it in your path 09:15:44 <ZxBiohazardZx> C:\Program Files\GnuWin32 09:15:46 <ZxBiohazardZx> i think 09:15:50 <TrueBrain> petern: I think that would be too much to ask 09:15:54 <petern> if you don't understand that, put it in c:\windows ;) 09:15:58 <TrueBrain> ZxBiohazardZx: we don't think in the world of computing 09:15:59 <TrueBrain> we make sure 09:16:22 <TrueBrain> you can try to ask Windows if he wants to go start looking where you left your cup of coffee 09:16:23 <ZxBiohazardZx> truebrain im complete idiot, after a long time i got MINGW to work for me, im just a complete n00b 09:16:27 <TrueBrain> but I truly doubt it would be able 09:16:29 <ZxBiohazardZx> and you only offer pro-lessons:) 09:16:36 <reldred> This is almost as painful to watch as the phone conversation I overheard the other day of a man trying to explain to his wife over the phone how to pump a bike tire -_- 09:16:57 <ZxBiohazardZx> im complete n00b and true/peter only give pro-manuals:) 09:17:10 <TrueBrain> ZxBiohazardZx: if you think this is 'pro' anything 09:17:15 <TrueBrain> you really are an idiot, yes, I have to grant you that :) 09:17:19 <ZxBiohazardZx> :) 09:17:44 <TrueBrain> as I ask you very specific questions, and you answer like: well .. something like that I guess somewhere somehow in some universe 09:17:47 <ZxBiohazardZx> i never done any programming or such, the hardest till this darn ottd_revision stuff was my ascent core for warcraft 09:17:54 <TrueBrain> like going to the bank: I want to withdraw money 09:17:55 <TrueBrain> how much sir? 09:17:58 <ZxBiohazardZx> and that was doable with tortoise-svn 09:18:03 <TrueBrain> I just want to withdraw money! NOW GIVE IT TO ME 09:18:11 <ZxBiohazardZx> XD 09:18:17 <ZxBiohazardZx> you asked a question, i replied 09:18:24 <ZxBiohazardZx> C:\Program Files\GnuWin32 is where the patch program is located 09:18:27 <TrueBrain> so we try again: where is 'patch' located 09:18:31 <TrueBrain> without the: 'I think' 09:18:35 <TrueBrain> okay 09:18:37 <ZxBiohazardZx> C:\Program Files\GnuWin32 09:18:43 <TrueBrain> so if you know Windows has no clue what so ever where 'patch' is 09:18:47 <TrueBrain> how would you tell him where it is? 09:19:04 <TrueBrain> (remember, computer are even dumber) 09:19:24 <ZxBiohazardZx> no idea, i hoped the installation of patch would "tell" windows that it is located in that dir and defines the patch action 09:19:33 <TrueBrain> clearly, it doesn't 09:19:39 <ZxBiohazardZx> aparently XD 09:19:46 <TrueBrain> so ... instead of using 'patch', we will use ........ 09:19:50 <TrueBrain> (fill in the blanks :p) 09:19:55 <TrueBrain> make us proud! 09:20:04 <ZxBiohazardZx> command prompt i assume? 09:20:19 <TrueBrain> reldred: I sure hope you are recording this :) 09:20:27 <ZxBiohazardZx> truebrain im a complete n00b 09:20:34 <ZxBiohazardZx> so i cant see where we are going 09:20:41 <TrueBrain> ZxBiohazardZx: a noob we can handle; people refusing to think are another category :) 09:20:47 <ZxBiohazardZx> its like stepping into a car, and then starting to drive without a destination 09:20:48 <TrueBrain> c:\Program Files\GnuWin32\patch -p0 < c:\BuildOTTD\smallmap-zoom_r16780 09:20:54 <TrueBrain> blegh, I hate to touch hands ... makes me feel gay 09:21:00 <ZxBiohazardZx> there is no "patch' 09:21:07 <ZxBiohazardZx> in C:\Program Files\GnuWin32 ther are folders only 09:21:12 <TrueBrain> ..... 09:21:14 * reldred slaps his forehead 09:21:17 <TrueBrain> so you lied to me! :'( 09:21:20 <ZxBiohazardZx> bin, contrib, doc, man, manifest, uninstall 09:21:24 <ZxBiohazardZx> no i did not godamnit 09:21:35 <TrueBrain> [11:18] <TrueBrain> so we try again: where is 'patch' located 09:21:36 <TrueBrain> [11:18] <ZxBiohazardZx> C:\Program Files\GnuWin32 09:21:39 <ZxBiohazardZx> yes 09:21:49 <TrueBrain> please, don't call names, it is not polite 09:21:57 <ZxBiohazardZx> thats the installation directory, so thats where its located at? 09:22:09 <TrueBrain> one way to look at it 09:22:13 <TrueBrain> ever used Explorer to check out the dir? 09:22:16 <ZxBiohazardZx> yes 09:22:19 <ZxBiohazardZx> i do 09:22:19 <TrueBrain> now find where patch(.exe) is located 09:22:28 <ZxBiohazardZx> else i cant tell the stupid folders:P 09:22:33 <ZxBiohazardZx> id assume in bin:) 09:22:40 <TrueBrain> I hate assumptions 09:22:42 <ZxBiohazardZx> C:\Program Files\GnuWin32\bin\patch 09:22:44 <ZxBiohazardZx> :) 09:22:50 <TrueBrain> so ... can you NOW do the math? 09:22:55 <ZxBiohazardZx> i guess so 1 sec 09:23:16 <ZxBiohazardZx> C:\Program Files\GnuWin32\bin\patch -p0 < c:\BuildOTTD\smallmap-zoom_r16780.diff 09:23:29 <ZxBiohazardZx> command doesnt allow copy/paste (lame) 09:23:30 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.209.125] has joined #openttd 09:24:25 <ZxBiohazardZx> FUCK 09:24:28 <ZxBiohazardZx> same shit 09:24:45 <ZxBiohazardZx> c:\Program is not recognised as program 09:24:51 <TrueBrain> haha 09:24:52 <ZxBiohazardZx> space = _ in cmd? 09:24:52 <TrueBrain> okay 09:24:54 <TrueBrain> that you can't help 09:24:56 <TrueBrain> Windows sucks 09:25:06 <TrueBrain> "C:\Program Files\GnuWin32\bin\patch" -p0 < c:\BuildOTTD\smallmap-zoom_r16780.diff 09:25:07 <ZxBiohazardZx> XD i assum eeither _ or nospace? 09:25:08 <Rubidium> either quote the whole application name 09:25:19 <TrueBrain> Windows really is the most stupiest OS ever invented 09:25:24 <Rubidium> or using the 8.3 representation of the long file names, if you can guess them 09:25:27 <ZxBiohazardZx> XD 09:25:29 <TrueBrain> who names a base dir with a space, if you can't handle it correctly 09:25:40 <ZxBiohazardZx> default folder:( 09:25:53 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: Linux can't either handle spaces in that way in paths 09:26:01 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: '\ ' 09:26:02 <TrueBrain> ;) 09:26:11 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth_] 09:26:16 <TrueBrain> either way, no base dir in linux has a space 09:26:24 <TrueBrain> in fact, you can use linux for ages without any spaces in dirs :p 09:26:26 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: Windows' tab completetion does quote if needed 09:26:30 <reldred> TrueBrain: I love that, in an effort to make things 'easier', they've made it harder. I've taught absolute noobs how to browse UNIX filesystems and they've understood quite well 09:26:53 <ZxBiohazardZx> ok now i get the following line: File to patch 09:27:15 <Rubidium> it all started with the early MSDOS where 'they' chose to use '/' for parameters 09:27:40 <Rubidium> then they decided to introduce paths and were forced to go with '\' 09:27:55 <Rubidium> later they found out they wanted to escape stuff, so you ended up with '\' 09:27:58 <reldred> Numbnuts 09:28:44 <ZxBiohazardZx> someone answer my question? 09:28:51 <TrueBrain> ZxBiohazardZx: was it a question? 09:28:54 <ZxBiohazardZx> File to patch, can that also be a "dir" 09:29:09 <ZxBiohazardZx> because i assume i want c:\BuildOTTD\trunk in there? 09:29:22 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:29:27 <TrueBrain> in general, when it asks you for a specific file, you need to change the -p value 09:29:32 <TrueBrain> or make sure you are in the right dir ;) 09:29:39 <TrueBrain> -p0 for SVN patches, -p1 for hg and git patches 09:30:29 <ZxBiohazardZx> so i got to make it p1? instead of p0 XD 09:31:02 <ZxBiohazardZx> how can i abort the "File to patch" question? 09:31:18 <ZxBiohazardZx> i tried empty and skip "y" but then returns the "File to patch" again 09:31:23 <TrueBrain> CTRL+C? 09:31:37 <TrueBrain> the universal: GET ME OUT OF HERE, keystroke sequence 09:31:47 <ZxBiohazardZx> kk 09:31:58 <ZxBiohazardZx> i just kept enter+y-ing and got out 09:31:58 <TrueBrain> doesn't work on my IRC client, sadly enough 09:32:09 <ZxBiohazardZx> so its same sentance, but with -p1 instead of -p0? 09:32:26 <ZxBiohazardZx> goddamn cmd, why cant i just edit 1 number:( 09:32:36 <ZxBiohazardZx> ow lol i can:) 09:32:37 <ZxBiohazardZx> XD 09:32:42 <ZxBiohazardZx> wow another lesson learned:) 09:33:00 <ZxBiohazardZx> no fucking way, errors:( 09:33:11 <Noldo> *snif* 09:33:28 <ZxBiohazardZx> assertation failed: hunk, file ../patch-2.5-9-src/patch.c line 354 09:33:30 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:33:45 <ZxBiohazardZx> this application has requested the Runtime to terminate it in an unusual way 09:33:52 <ZxBiohazardZx> so -p1 isnt right? 09:34:26 <ZxBiohazardZx> "C:\Program Files\GnuWin32\bin\patch" -p1 < c:\BuildOTTD\smallmap-zoom_r16780.diff returned the assertation error i just stated 09:34:43 <ZxBiohazardZx> hates it 09:34:46 <TrueBrain> very cool; and I have no clue 09:35:01 <reldred> You didn't assert hard enough. It's a computer! A machine! You need to talk like a MAN TO IT. It responds to COMMANDS! YOU NEED TO COMMAND IT. DON'T TAKE IT'S SHIT! 09:35:08 <reldred> Okay, I'm sorry, I'll leave now 09:35:15 <TrueBrain> lol @ reldred 09:35:17 <ZxBiohazardZx> relred im a complete n00b 09:35:33 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 09:35:43 <ZxBiohazardZx> the p0 offered a question, p1 returned with error 09:36:02 <ZxBiohazardZx> so if i try P0 and just give a dir rather then file, will it work? 09:36:03 <reldred> Then go do something else, you're out of your own depth. 09:36:04 <TrueBrain> means -p0 is wrong, and -p1 fucks up something 09:36:16 <TrueBrain> try it? 09:36:19 <TrueBrain> why ask our permission? 09:36:20 <ZxBiohazardZx> kk 09:36:22 <reldred> However I do admire your persistance 09:36:30 <TrueBrain> if you go to the toilet in a moment, you want us to agree on that too? 09:36:32 <ZxBiohazardZx> cause you guys are tha pro's and im tha n00b:) 09:36:44 <ZxBiohazardZx> hehe nah im the toilet pro:) i can handle that:) 09:37:07 <Noldo> and you will stay that way if don't start using your own head instead of TrueBrain's 09:37:09 <ZxBiohazardZx> if your new in a city, youd ask the local residents the locations as well:) 09:37:18 * Rubidium a pro on Windows? Hell yeah... last time I used it as my main desktop was... 2002 09:37:46 <TrueBrain> ZxBiohazardZx: we can give you a fish, sure ... but it is a tiny bit more useful to teach you how to fish 09:38:13 <ZxBiohazardZx> truebrain you can teach me how to fish yes, but first id need a fishing rod and some bait... 09:38:34 <ZxBiohazardZx> im willing to learn a bit, but dont expect me to catch a swordfish in my first attempt ? 09:38:55 <ZxBiohazardZx> the p1 fucks up, and p0 was "wrong" 09:39:23 <TrueBrain> currently, you can't even figure out how to get your bait in the water ;) But it doesn't matter :) 09:39:39 <TrueBrain> I really have no idea why patch would fuck up 09:39:39 <ZxBiohazardZx> kk the -p0 pointing to dir wont work 09:39:45 <ZxBiohazardZx> it is requesting a file 09:39:49 <TrueBrain> so give it to him 09:39:53 <ZxBiohazardZx> and p1 returns that stupid criterror:P 09:40:04 <ZxBiohazardZx> its a patch for the dir not for a file 09:40:21 <TrueBrain> and in that patch are tiny patches per file 09:40:24 <Rubidium> oh... let me guess... it's Windows, right... so it horrible breaks down with non-Windows newlines 09:40:24 <ZxBiohazardZx> i have no clue what "file" i have to supply for the minimap-zoom_r16780 patch so it works kk 09:40:25 <TrueBrain> it can't do magic you know 09:40:37 <TrueBrain> it tells you 09:40:37 <ZxBiohazardZx> rubidium yes its windows:) 09:40:49 <TrueBrain> On MS-Windows, the patchfile must be a text file, i.e. CR-LF must be used as line endings. A file with LF may give the error: "Assertion failed, hunk, file patch.c, line 343," unless the option '--binary' is given. 09:40:50 <ZxBiohazardZx> lemmy see 09:41:08 <TrueBrain> source: http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/patch.htm 09:41:10 <ZxBiohazardZx> omg to much info:P 09:41:14 <ZxBiohazardZx> its a .diff file 09:41:18 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: I expected more from patch ..... 09:41:19 <ZxBiohazardZx> but thats same as .txt right? 09:41:21 <Rubidium> and because it's a git patch it has non-Windows newlines 09:41:23 <TrueBrain> ZxBiohazardZx: .diff == .patch 09:41:28 <TrueBrain> nobody cares what the extension is :p 09:41:30 <ZxBiohazardZx> yes and its also .txt 09:41:47 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: it is gnu*win*32-patch 09:41:47 <ZxBiohazardZx> and im using MS windows and its a text file 09:41:54 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: stupid :) 09:42:09 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: unix patch does 'the right thing', but I don't expect that on Windows 09:42:25 <TrueBrain> I expected that from the porters ... 09:42:28 <Rubidium> I guess ZxBiohazardZx is screwed 09:42:42 <ZxBiohazardZx> noes:( 09:42:45 <TrueBrain> 2 easy ways out: do what the line above suggests 09:42:46 <ZxBiohazardZx> im always screwed 09:42:47 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: git has (had?) massive newlines troubles 09:42:51 <TrueBrain> or open the file and save it again 09:42:54 <ZxBiohazardZx> this is the 2nd time i get fucked 09:43:08 <ZxBiohazardZx> stupid patches that dont go in tortoiseSVN anymore 09:43:18 <ZxBiohazardZx> how hard is it to make it tortoise proof:S 09:43:26 <TrueBrain> tortoiseSVN uses 'patch' :p 09:43:29 <Rubidium> it just shows that Windows is become more and more a platform NOT suitable for development 09:43:31 <ZxBiohazardZx> it worked in tortoise till last version, then it was "changed" 09:43:50 <ZxBiohazardZx> truebrain i dont care how tortoiseSVN does it, i click apply patch and it works:) 09:43:59 <Rubidium> ZxBiohazardZx: it wasn't changed; the version you downloaded is rewritten from scratch, he just didn't open a new thread 09:44:06 <TrueBrain> ZxBiohazardZx: can you try opening the patch file, and saving it (Save As) with Windows as end-line type 09:44:14 <ZxBiohazardZx> so i save it as? 09:44:34 <ZxBiohazardZx> i can " open" the diff with tortoise:P 09:44:37 <ZxBiohazardZx> and see all lines:P 09:44:45 <TrueBrain> so apply them one by one yourself 09:44:47 <Rubidium> ZxBiohazardZx: we can only give you clues as we don't have Windows, as a result we can't do the searching work in Windows to give you the exact manual what you need to do 09:44:54 <ZxBiohazardZx> hmhm 09:44:58 <ZxBiohazardZx> one by one? 09:45:09 <TrueBrain> will work for sure 09:45:13 <TrueBrain> or you can take my suggestion and try that 09:45:16 <TrueBrain> but it is all your choice 09:45:18 <ZxBiohazardZx> i need to figure out tha files of the trunk that are updated? 09:45:26 <ZxBiohazardZx> truebrain what suggestion?:P 09:45:36 <TrueBrain> ZxBiohazardZx: can you try opening the patch file (with Notepad or what ever), and saving it (Save As) with Windows as end-line type 09:45:47 <ZxBiohazardZx> ill open it with notepad 09:45:49 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 09:45:56 <TrueBrain> most likely even Word can do that for you 09:46:02 <TrueBrain> it is stupid enough for it 09:46:10 <TrueBrain> 'kladblok' can't 09:46:14 <ZxBiohazardZx> damnit 09:46:14 <TrueBrain> 'wordpad' I believe it is called can 09:46:18 <ZxBiohazardZx> im using kladblok 09:46:21 <ZxBiohazardZx> crap 09:46:24 <TrueBrain> kladblok is SO STUPID 09:46:29 <TrueBrain> but wordpad is also default installed 09:46:31 <ZxBiohazardZx> im n00b kktxh 09:46:32 <reldred> That's the point 09:46:37 <ZxBiohazardZx> wordpad it is:0 09:46:50 <reldred> Notepad is made to do one thing and do JUST that. 09:47:06 <ZxBiohazardZx> i got wordpad:) 09:47:08 <reldred> And for that, it is the only capable piece of software loaded by default with Windows 09:47:10 <reldred> I love notepad 09:47:13 <ZxBiohazardZx> save as "end-line" type? 09:47:15 <ZxBiohazardZx> that is? 09:48:10 <ZxBiohazardZx> i got few options: RTF, Text, Text(msdos), UNICODE 09:48:20 <TrueBrain> Text(msdos) 09:48:23 <ZxBiohazardZx> kk 09:48:57 <TrueBrain> reldred: it does it 100% the windows way. \n is not a new line, it is a stupid char if it doesn't come with \r 09:49:07 <ZxBiohazardZx> ok its now saved as Text(msdos) 09:49:08 <TrueBrain> who thought up that anyway, that every \n needs to come with a \r, else it doesn't do anything? :p 09:49:18 <ZxBiohazardZx> now i go to command and do the patch again? 09:49:27 <TrueBrain> try it 09:49:28 <TrueBrain> who knows 09:49:45 <reldred> TrueBrain: Oldschool terminals, serial interfaces, teletype machines, etc. 09:49:55 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81B68.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Icebears are cute. Please, take care of them!] 09:50:03 <reldred> TrueBrain: It's a throwback to typewriters, new line, THEN carriage return, or vice versa. 09:50:07 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 09:50:18 <TrueBrain> reldred: yup ... OLD! Outdated .. widely seen as a big mistake :p 09:50:24 <TrueBrain> and Windows still carries it .. silly Windows :p 09:50:33 <reldred> TrueBrain: Old serial printers had to be told by the mainframe all of those stupid little things. 09:50:41 <ZxBiohazardZx> "C:\Program Files\GnuWin32\bin\patch" -p1 < c:\BuildOTTD\smallmap-zoom_r16780v1.txt 09:50:44 <ZxBiohazardZx> or p0? 09:50:52 <reldred> eh, I work with serial protocols often enough so it kinda warms my heart a little bit 09:51:09 <TrueBrain> ZxBiohazardZx: I hate repeating myself, but special for you: TRY IT! 09:51:13 <reldred> And eh, if unix compatibilty is an issue I reopen the file in wordpad, it seems to behave 09:51:52 <ZxBiohazardZx> "patching file src/smallmap.gui.cpp" but instantly returns with commandline 09:51:55 <ZxBiohazardZx> so did it work? 09:51:57 <ZxBiohazardZx> :P 09:52:02 <reldred> Which reminds me, I need to go get a ream of paper for a dotmatric printer, since I now actually own one that still works :D 09:52:07 <reldred> *dotmatrix 09:52:13 <reldred> A serial one at that :D 09:52:29 <blathijs> 11:49:08 < TrueBrain> who thought up that anyway, that every \n needs to come with a \r, else it doesn't do anything? :p <-- A single \n should really go to the next line, but keep the column the same :-p 09:52:32 <TrueBrain> ZxBiohazardZx: check with TortoiseSVN! 09:52:42 <ZxBiohazardZx> XD eeehm check with Tortoise?:P 09:52:50 <reldred> It's actually made for interpreting SMDR streams from phone systems to print hotel call accounting shite, but it apparently will work as a straight serial printer 09:52:56 <TrueBrain> blathijs: I know that :) Still it doesn't make sense with computers :p 09:53:19 <ZxBiohazardZx> remember im idiot, so i try finding the file and open it with tortoise XD? 09:53:38 <TrueBrain> no .... 09:53:43 <TrueBrain> you check the dir if it contains modified files 09:53:47 <TrueBrain> (which it will, but okay) 09:54:01 <ZxBiohazardZx> there is a dir with that file 09:54:08 <ZxBiohazardZx> but i have no clue if its altered XD 09:55:10 <ZxBiohazardZx> if i just complile and run 09:55:14 <ZxBiohazardZx> id figure out as well right? 09:55:25 <TrueBrain> ZxBiohazardZx: I hate repeating myself, but special for you: TRY IT! 09:55:33 <ZxBiohazardZx> i love your truebrain 09:55:41 <ZxBiohazardZx> does a red ! in the folder means altered? 09:55:58 <TrueBrain> yup 09:56:10 <ZxBiohazardZx> cause only the "signals (signalsintunnel/bridge) and smallmapgui have that 09:56:16 <ZxBiohazardZx> so i guess it worked 09:56:33 <ZxBiohazardZx> kk now back to my minGW compiler XD see how i manage that:P 09:56:46 <TrueBrain> http://www.openttd.org/donate 09:56:53 <TrueBrain> just a .. suggestion 09:57:33 <ZxBiohazardZx> XD 09:57:42 <ZxBiohazardZx> i already donated once, i think thats enough myself 09:58:00 <TrueBrain> just saying ;) 09:58:29 <ZxBiohazardZx> man omg 09:58:42 <ZxBiohazardZx> in MinGW its cd c:\ for browsing c:\ right? 09:58:48 <ZxBiohazardZx> why doesnt it work then :S 09:59:14 <TrueBrain> pebkac 09:59:21 <ZxBiohazardZx> pebkac? 09:59:36 <TrueBrain> no mingw user here, so I can't help you with that 09:59:42 <ZxBiohazardZx> aww:( 09:59:52 <reldred> mmm, a pebkac error. I'm afraid you're stuffed ZxBiohazardZx. 10:00:04 <ZxBiohazardZx> relred what you mean? 10:00:31 <TrueBrain> which morron at imdb thought it would be a good idea to put Cast above 'Category' ... 10:00:39 <ZxBiohazardZx> Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair 10:00:40 <TrueBrain> idiots .. made their website completely annoying and useless 10:00:42 <ZxBiohazardZx> lolz kk i found it:) 10:00:58 <reldred> Damn kids these days and their proficiency with google! 10:01:17 * reldred mutters something and goes off to make a peanut butter sandwich 10:01:42 <ZxBiohazardZx> cd ~/ottdsrc (on wiki) 10:01:46 <TrueBrain> and I hate my surround system is still not on transport!! :'( No fun this weekend :( 10:01:49 <ZxBiohazardZx> but the cd commands seem to do shit:S 10:02:20 <ZxBiohazardZx> hates mingw again 10:02:26 <Rubidium> ZxBiohazardZx: I've got a free tip for you, do you want it? 10:02:35 <ZxBiohazardZx> yes i do rubidium 10:02:48 <Rubidium> ZxBiohazardZx: read the fine manuals 10:03:00 <ZxBiohazardZx> lol i found it 10:03:16 <ZxBiohazardZx> cmd (windows) wants c:\ and mingw wants c:/ 10:03:22 <ZxBiohazardZx> mind the / and \ are different 10:03:24 <ZxBiohazardZx> lame 10:03:37 <TrueBrain> welcome to the wonderful world of windows 10:03:48 <Rubidium> I already talked about that, Windows is bug compatible with MSDOS 1 10:03:58 <ZxBiohazardZx> lol windows is crap i know 10:04:17 <ZxBiohazardZx> but with my megauberskills im not going to get linux (yet) 10:04:45 <Rubidium> the amount of money that would've been saved by trashing /? for comments when they went to paths is really enormous 10:04:53 <ZxBiohazardZx> and mac is only good for heavy-graphic-depending branches as far as i know 10:04:58 <Rubidium> s/comment/command/ 10:05:21 <TrueBrain> ZxBiohazardZx: your knowledge is flawed, but that is okay :) 10:05:35 <ZxBiohazardZx> lol dont you love / and \ ? you can make nice pictures with it:) 10:05:36 <TrueBrain> 10 years ago you were right 10:05:48 <ZxBiohazardZx> yeah kk truebrain i figured that out 10:05:54 <ZxBiohazardZx> we got some macs @ university 10:06:10 <Ammler> nowadays, it doesn't really matter anymore. all OSes are that good as the user. 10:06:11 <ZxBiohazardZx> though only architecture and Industrial design use them 10:06:19 <TrueBrain> Ammler: Windows isn't 10:06:32 <Ammler> :-) 10:06:33 <ZxBiohazardZx> civil engineers dont care, thus use windows, we dont need tha uber gfx and most progs are windows based 10:06:55 <ZxBiohazardZx> the reason people chose windows: they are used to it 10:07:10 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has joined #openttd 10:07:15 <ZxBiohazardZx> on a mac they cant find what they want, they are looking for right-mouse-actions etc etc 10:07:30 <ZxBiohazardZx> anyway im compiling:) 10:07:31 <ZxBiohazardZx> woot:) 10:07:44 <Rubidium> and the short term TCO is lower than for Linux, but then again... do you know any manager that looks more than 1 year ahead? 10:07:46 <ZxBiohazardZx> once this monkey knows the trick, he can do it as often as you want:P 10:07:50 *** Muddy [muddy@playing.OpenTTD.no] has quit [Quit: changing servers] 10:08:07 <ZxBiohazardZx> rubidium with these economic times they start doing so... 10:08:07 *** Muddy [muddy@playing.OpenTTD.no] has joined #openttd 10:08:37 <reldred> Not really, we're still getting the fools to buy new telephone PABX's that they really don't need :) 10:08:47 <Rubidium> ZxBiohazardZx: yeah right..., ask Belugas... it must be finished yesterday, don't really care about bugs we can fix those later 10:09:38 <Rubidium> but the manager never found out that fixing bugs after a release is massively more expensive 10:09:42 <ZxBiohazardZx> rubidium you mean the managers right? yeah some are still n00b but others are smart enough to get a new vision and change things 10:09:50 <ZxBiohazardZx> hehe 10:10:09 <ZxBiohazardZx> users hate bugs if they experience troubles because of it 10:10:20 <ZxBiohazardZx> i know from my wow-private server, bug-complaints XD 10:10:41 <ZxBiohazardZx> ow btw 10:10:52 <ZxBiohazardZx> will infra-share be integrated in trunk one day? 10:10:56 <Rubidium> primarily because it must be released at a specific date 10:10:59 <ZxBiohazardZx> same question for some other branches 10:11:17 <ZxBiohazardZx> when/who decides what branches will be integrated in trunk 10:12:06 <Rubidium> a dev whenever (s)he is comfortable with it 10:12:08 <ZxBiohazardZx> cause some things are branched all time (aka have to update every revision) and some are integrated in the trunk, but who decides what branches are added, and when they are integrated? 10:12:13 <ZxBiohazardZx> alright 10:12:22 <ZxBiohazardZx> alright:) 10:12:47 <ZxBiohazardZx> and when its in, it stays in? or its removed after not used/permission expires? 10:13:12 <Rubidium> it's removed if it's much worse than expected 10:13:37 <ZxBiohazardZx> IUE errors are tha best 10:13:39 <ZxBiohazardZx> ok 10:14:04 <ZxBiohazardZx> where can i check if a branch has been added (apart from the forums, read every thread ever made)? 10:14:15 <ZxBiohazardZx> is there a "integrated branch" in the changelogs or? 10:14:27 <Rubidium> IUE? 10:14:59 <Noldo> ZxBiohazardZx: what are you looking for? 10:15:18 <ZxBiohazardZx> IUE=> "Incompetent User Error" 10:15:20 *** KUDr [~doctor@203.253.broadband9.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 10:16:08 <ZxBiohazardZx> noldo, specificly: tunnels on birdge/tunnel, infra-sharing, minimap-zoom, new/latestbreakdowns patch, and a few more "usefull" permanent inplantations XD 10:16:31 <ZxBiohazardZx> but i was wondering if there was a list of included branches or a changelog that shows integrations 10:19:12 <ZxBiohazardZx> rubidum and truebrain the minimap works, thx for helping me out:) 10:19:32 <TrueBrain> no problem; just remember us when you ahve a bit of money left over :p 10:19:39 <TrueBrain> yearly payments are coming up ... 10:21:06 <ZxBiohazardZx> truebrain i already mentionned i donated once and thats enough for me XD 10:21:11 <TrueBrain> hehe :) 10:21:14 <TrueBrain> fair enough ZxBiohazardZx ;) 10:21:15 <ZxBiohazardZx> i guess thats more then alot of others do;) 10:21:39 <ZxBiohazardZx> im donating alot of screenshots from my Tayvan Transport game 10:22:02 <ZxBiohazardZx> that i hope you all like:) 10:22:18 <TrueBrain> :) 10:26:52 <ZxBiohazardZx> uploading some older shots of that game atm:P 10:26:58 <ZxBiohazardZx> to bad i picked a massive map 10:27:04 <ZxBiohazardZx> so not everyone knows what im doing and where 10:27:19 <ZxBiohazardZx> but i hope my eye-candy/scenery keeps players on my stories:P 10:33:47 *** dragonhorseboy [~zerovnc@modemcable160.111-57-74.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 10:33:54 <dragonhorseboy> hey 10:34:11 <dragonhorseboy> just wondering about it but anyone here want to play a map with dbsetxl/etc soon? 10:39:09 <ZxBiohazardZx> why? 10:39:12 <ZxBiohazardZx> you want one? 10:39:19 <ZxBiohazardZx> i can try one in my next project screenshots 10:39:29 <ZxBiohazardZx> but only if i take a break from my tayvan game 10:39:40 <dragonhorseboy> nah..just seeing if anyone might be interested if I hosted one (rather than playing myself..as usual) 10:39:47 <ZxBiohazardZx> aha 10:39:51 <dragonhorseboy> so i could make sure the grf list was...well..you know 10:42:07 <dragonhorseboy> tayvan? 10:42:53 <ZxBiohazardZx> hehe 10:43:00 <ZxBiohazardZx> see screenshot directory:) 10:43:07 <ZxBiohazardZx> its a massive map 10:43:15 <ZxBiohazardZx> basicly to make some eye-candy games 10:43:31 <ZxBiohazardZx> but to be honest, the citys got to big, so i cant really do what i want properly 10:43:39 <ZxBiohazardZx> but im still trying to do new things, make it look good etc etc 10:43:52 * dragonhorseboy whacks stupid ottd 10:44:09 <sdafsdf> you can reduce city growth 10:44:21 <sdafsdf> and make it so none of them are cities 10:44:27 <sdafsdf> makes them grow slower 10:44:29 *** sdafsdf is now known as LadyHawk 10:44:30 <dragonhorseboy> meh I think basecost.grf seem to be really broken. thats the third time I find that even setting '255' value for terraform cost still does not remove the excessive pricetags 10:44:54 <dragonhorseboy> the wiki readme explictly says '255' disables it but this doesn't seem to be happening :-| 10:45:57 <dragonhorseboy> *pokes some more* 10:46:51 <ZxBiohazardZx> sdafsdf they already are to big, 10:47:00 <ZxBiohazardZx> and removing parts of the city makes it even uglier 10:47:07 <ZxBiohazardZx> but yeah i still have some nice area's 10:47:14 <ZxBiohazardZx> town growth is none already 10:47:28 <ZxBiohazardZx> but im out guys, i might be back 10:47:49 *** ZxBiohazardZx [~chatzilla@ip55-7-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.11/2009060215]] 10:47:51 * dragonhorseboy sighs 10:47:57 <dragonhorseboy> guess I'll just set planes to zero 10:48:58 <petern> you set it to 255 then started a new game? 10:49:17 <dragonhorseboy> yeah 10:49:53 <dragonhorseboy> it seem to be stuck at one single value all the times regardingly of whatever basecost.grf parameter says ... weird thing is the airport and bridge costs are actually working properly 10:50:08 <dragonhorseboy> its only the terraform parameter alone that seem to be broken in an odd way 10:51:08 <dihedral> hello 10:51:21 <dragonhorseboy> I'm going play without it for now anyway .. don't want force players into bankrupt over just a few simple tiles lowering 10:51:54 <dragonhorseboy> hey dihedral how're you? 10:51:56 <Ammler> dragonhorseboy: I said you, it was my first trip newgrfs 10:52:04 <Ammler> to* 10:52:27 <dragonhorseboy> ammler..yeah I know..its just weird that it seem to work fine on its own but as soon as you load multiply other grfs the terraform cost goes broke 10:52:34 <Ammler> that is why it wasn't on bananas and still hidden there. 10:52:51 <dragonhorseboy> but I don't even have any other landscape-related grf except perhaps for TTRS/TBRS but can these two really affect that 10:52:54 <dihedral> dragonhorseboy, what i love doing, is moving the players to spectator, and then deleting the company ^^ 10:52:58 <dihedral> then they can watch it :-D 10:53:02 <Ammler> and modifing base costs on a running game isn't that easy anyway. 10:53:03 <dihedral> just where they were building 10:53:04 <dragonhorseboy> dihedral..very funny :P 10:53:34 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has joined #openttd 10:53:52 <dragonhorseboy> ammler..well I'm trying to get a new preset grf list and testing it on random generated 256x256 maps to see what to settle on before finally starting a server game 10:53:58 <Ammler> dragonhorseboy: if you set it to 255, it uses the bascosts of other negrfs, doesn't need to be ttd default 10:55:14 <dragonhorseboy> well ammler.this is the way it goes... if I don't have basecost the cost for one foundation tile is about K DM with construction cost set to low in difficulity. but as soon as I add basecost.grf even with the parameter at 255 it shoots to K DM 10:55:31 <dragonhorseboy> DEM* sorry 10:56:15 <dihedral> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=801905#p801905 <- the attached image shows a graphical glitch with the position of text 10:56:34 <dihedral> the position of the equivalent of "noiselevel" 10:56:48 <dragonhorseboy> and weirdly enough setting the grf to a value over 10 actually can raise it to eg 96K DEM etc .. but using a lower value (even just '2') seem to always be stuck at K DEM for some reason unknown yet 10:57:55 <dragonhorseboy> but like I was also saying..all other parameters work just perfectly from '1' through '15' values (0DEM or 0K DEM small airport? hehehe) 10:58:20 <dragonhorseboy> anyway thats all I have to comment on basecost.grf for now ;) 10:58:56 <dragonhorseboy> brb to finish up the preset grf list 11:01:25 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81B68.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:01:28 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 11:02:04 <dragonhorseboy> hmmm.. breakdown off or reduced :P 11:04:05 <dihedral> you know - there are only like 100 people playing at any given time 11:04:14 <dragonhorseboy> bah ok almost ready to host 11:04:21 <dihedral> (at least on network servers) and that are NOT the people in this channel :-P 11:04:31 <dragonhorseboy> dihedral..yeah I know but there's zero IS servers up now so I may as well as start one to appease ;) 11:04:59 <dihedral> may i be blatently honest? 11:05:21 <dihedral> i dont think anybody gives a <piep> 11:05:39 <dragonhorseboy> sure but every morning when I checked there were always 8+ players on one to three different servers .. now there's no servers 11:05:40 <dihedral> except for planetmaker, he likes giving a <piep> :-P 11:08:43 *** helb_ is now known as helb 11:10:35 *** LadyHawk [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Why doesn't glue stick to the inside of the bottle?] 11:14:01 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.22.64.237] has joined #openttd 11:14:34 <Ammler> dragonhorseboy: is there really need for such a grf? 11:14:56 <Ammler> maybe we could review it with a bit more knowledge now :-) 11:14:58 <dragonhorseboy> ammler..if you have planes enabled for one..yeah 11:15:22 <dragonhorseboy> elsewise any kind of planes seem to often get the company more than M in only several years..which isn't quite right at all 11:15:27 <dragonhorseboy> :p 11:17:29 <planetmaker> pah @ dih & hi @ dih and all 11:17:36 <dragonhorseboy> heh hey 11:21:57 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.209.125] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:27:18 <dragonhorseboy> well if anyone's interested even just to spectate .. server's already up now ;) 11:38:01 <Ammler> @seen Yexo 11:38:01 <DorpsGek> Ammler: Yexo was last seen in #openttd 1 day, 18 hours, 23 minutes, and 38 seconds ago: <Yexo> hello 11:40:04 <dragonhorseboy> ammler one good thing at least is that there's reducedpassengerpayment (although I wish i could figure out the elusive parameter) so at least can't make as too much profits anyway :P 11:40:15 <dragonhorseboy> heh 11:42:50 <Ammler> dragonhorseboy: grf2html 11:43:35 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 11:47:38 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAE8615.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 11:52:11 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db019bc.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 11:53:59 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 12:07:41 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has quit [Quit: Bitches.] 12:12:41 * dragonhorseboy wishes I could know what MB was actually up to with dbsetxl 0.9 12:13:15 <dragonhorseboy> dbsetxl_ecs is kinda not as much fun as it should be .. many of the wagons just don't look right (fiber is not black like coal!) 12:13:18 <dragonhorseboy> :p 12:13:29 <Eddi|zuHause> well, fix it ;) 12:14:21 <dragonhorseboy> its MB's grf and I already can see on the forum that he already doesn't like others releasing any sprites from it without modification 12:14:37 <dragonhorseboy> so..well yeah..not much can do 12:14:55 <Eddi|zuHause> he usualy allows using them, as long as you ask before... 12:15:15 <Eddi|zuHause> and you can hack the grf for yourself, you don't need to release anything 12:15:41 <dragonhorseboy> that doesn't make it much fun for multiplayer tho .. but then whatever ^_^ heh 12:16:23 <dragonhorseboy> anyway I meant to ask this for a while, what is 'zuhause'? 12:16:33 <KingJ> At Home? 12:16:55 <dragonhorseboy> oh ic 12:17:02 <KingJ> (Possibly!) 12:17:16 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 12:26:47 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth_] 12:28:29 <dragonhorseboy> blah... TBRS doesn't have proper bridges to go together with early era TTRS :P 12:28:47 <dragonhorseboy> and I thought the 2cc metros running over maglev tracks on bridge was worse enough 12:29:09 *** J_Darnley [~jamesdarn@d54C280AB.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:30:00 <Eddi|zuHause> that's why i stopped using road sets 12:30:17 <Eddi|zuHause> you're running into all kinds of incompatibilities 12:30:46 <planetmaker> I want rail and road types! :) 12:30:48 <dragonhorseboy> well the one I do like is the czroadset .. it provides its own tunnel and bridge altogether which other road-using grfs probably should had 12:31:00 <dragonhorseboy> I only use it in ttdxp alone tho 12:32:31 <dragonhorseboy> hehehe....looks like one of my berlin tram started making black smoke right in middle of the town :p 12:33:15 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:34:29 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-98-249-11-38.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 12:34:52 <dragonhorseboy> eddi..and which of..why can't ottd actually let you build rails across tunnel portals anyway? :P 12:35:46 <Eddi|zuHause> because it is not implemented? 12:38:26 *** Chruker [~no@0x5da34ce4.vjnqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 12:43:13 <dragonhorseboy> well..you doing anything now? :) 12:43:47 <Eddi|zuHause> well 12:43:56 <Eddi|zuHause> you going to pay me for it? 12:44:04 <dragonhorseboy> pay what? 12:44:15 <Eddi|zuHause> man-hours? 12:44:26 <dragonhorseboy> lol..who said I was asking you to do some work for me? :P 12:46:08 <Eddi|zuHause> you implied it... 12:49:51 *** goodger [~ben@host86-148-8-176.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 12:53:29 <dragonhorseboy> well either way me just waiting for more $ to come in in the game .. other that that guess I'm going clean up some magazines 12:57:05 <Belugas> hello 12:57:14 <dragonhorseboy> hey belugas 13:00:21 <welshdragon> hmm 13:00:30 <welshdragon> i can't login to translator3 13:00:34 <dragonhorseboy> hey welshdragon 13:00:59 <Eddi|zuHause> too many dragons around here... 13:01:12 <dragonhorseboy> too many? I only see two alone :p 13:01:19 <dragonhorseboy> there's more likely too many humans ;) 13:01:54 * welshdragon slays his dragon 13:01:57 *** welshdragon is now known as welsh 13:07:27 <welsh> can i reset my translator3 password? 13:07:59 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has joined #openttd 13:08:04 <TrueBrain> Tefad / KenjiE20: cdparanoia seems to do a much better job ripping then cdex ever did :) 13:08:27 <petern> cdex has paranoia options... which i've never needed to use 13:08:48 <petern> "grip" otoh it's a fucking shit ripper 13:09:14 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:09:25 <TrueBrain> maybe I should rephrase: cdparanoia does exactly what I expect a ripper to do, and where I can see errors and glitches, where cdex doesn't let me know 13:09:31 <TrueBrain> (besides, it works native on linux too :p) 13:10:26 <welsh> :/ 13:11:45 * dragonhorseboy never could settle on a single burner software for windows yet (always seem to be at least one thing missing in each of them) >_< 13:12:25 <dragonhorseboy> at least the old copy of Toast works nicely for the mac (except its out of use, the yamaha drive isn't working anymore so back to only the internal cdrom drive) 13:14:29 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth_] 13:21:31 <dragonhorseboy> well I'm going off irc, bye now (and for anyone who just came in: feel free to check my germany-based server any time) 13:21:38 *** dragonhorseboy [~zerovnc@modemcable160.111-57-74.mc.videotron.ca] has left #openttd [] 13:26:45 <KenjiE20> cool, nice find TB, these things are always down to personal pref 13:27:05 <KenjiE20> I would tell dhb about a burner but he left 13:27:22 <TrueBrain> now Ineed to find a store which still can deliver very old albums :p 13:29:47 <jaachanor> where is it determined how long the take-off sequence for planes is? 13:31:45 <petern> it's just a combination of the aircraft's acceleration and maximum speed properties 13:33:33 <jaachanor> okay 13:33:57 <jaachanor> where does that calculation take place? 13:34:55 <Eddi|zuHause> you might want to start at the airport FSM handler 13:35:26 <Hirundo> no such calculation takes place, the plane just accelerates until it reaches a certain position in the FSM 13:35:31 <Eddi|zuHause> there'd be a "start takeoff here" state 13:35:42 <jaachanor> ok 13:35:57 <jaachanor> i want to ensure the plane reaches it's cruising altitude 13:37:09 <Eddi|zuHause> the crusing altitude is defined at a different place 13:37:33 <jaachanor> yes, but there's no change after take off 13:38:03 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, why would there be? 13:38:38 <jaachanor> there shouldn't if the take off process checked to make sure proper altitude was reached 13:39:28 *** stuffcor1se [~rick@121.98.136.241] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:40:19 <Eddi|zuHause> i have no idea what you think the problem is... 13:41:20 <Chruker> Dont the planes just always fly above 'anything'? 13:41:28 <jaachanor> planes fly at whatever altitude they have when they've reached cruising speed 13:41:46 <jaachanor> or take off is over - whatever triggers that 13:42:36 <TrueBrain> a roommate came in: I have a CD that can't be ripped 13:42:43 <jaachanor> shouldn't they climb until GetAircraftFlyingAltitude(v) is reached? 13:42:43 <TrueBrain> 10 minutes later he walked out with 22 mp3s 13:42:58 <Chruker> hehe 13:43:01 <TrueBrain> it was a nasty CD ... when reading the data segment, it went to sectors not on the disk 13:43:07 <TrueBrain> and the last song did the same 13:43:09 <TrueBrain> nasty 13:43:34 <Eddi|zuHause> check aircraft_cmd.cpp, there is a specific function that determines the crusing altitude 13:44:12 <Eddi|zuHause> and then check where that is used 13:44:24 <Eddi|zuHause> and then determine wether there is a bug 13:45:15 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:46:32 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [] 13:50:55 <TrueBrain> @mode +b ~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk 13:50:58 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] by DorpsGek 13:51:05 <TrueBrain> I think I will keep that ban around for a bit longer this time ... 13:51:26 <dihedral> ^^ 13:53:09 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAE8615.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:57:12 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 14:01:04 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 14:13:36 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:28:49 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 14:29:06 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.171.243] has joined #openttd 14:31:02 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:32:39 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 14:34:06 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.171.243] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:34:06 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.171.243] has joined #openttd 14:45:40 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has joined #openttd 15:37:31 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590c3e4b.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 15:47:17 <welsh> can i reset my translator3 password? 15:47:55 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: welsh would like to be answered ;) 15:48:15 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db019bc.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Quit: brb] 15:48:38 <welsh> ;) 15:49:11 <Sacro> 'ning welshdragon 15:49:26 * welsh isn't a dragon 16:01:29 *** Joepie|ttd [~Joepie@ip5456de9f.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 16:01:47 <Joepie|ttd> hello 16:01:50 *** Joepie|ttd is now known as Joepie 16:04:12 <Joepie> where can i find ai's for openttd? 16:07:21 <Belugas> in the content download, i'd say 16:08:41 <Joepie> think i finally found it on the webby 16:08:43 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 16:10:56 <Belugas> goody 16:11:01 <Markk> yes 16:12:19 <Joepie> should i unpack it in data folder? 16:13:11 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:16:04 <Joepie> maby there is some place i can read about how to install ai's? couldnt find it on wiki 16:18:34 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 16:20:05 <TrueBrain> welsh: nope, that is not possible :) 16:20:18 <TrueBrain> (I really should add a mailing module :p) 16:20:25 <welsh> so i'm screwed :( 16:20:33 <TrueBrain> you like it? 16:21:27 <welsh> it's slightly annoying that i can't log in 16:21:37 <welsh> i'll try logging in off my pc later 16:24:04 <Belugas> Joepie : http://www.tt-forums.net/viewforum.php?f=65 who knows... maybe you'll find something usefull there... Have yu find the Content Download I told you about? That is on OpenTTD, of course 16:24:19 <Joepie> hehe yeah found it ingame 16:25:01 <TrueBrain> welsh: going to the movies now; maybe later tonight I will make a nice 'reset password' thingy :p 16:25:03 <TrueBrain> who knows ... :) 16:25:10 <welsh> :P 16:25:22 <Joepie> the dutch button to the content managers is kinda a weird translation that why i couldnt find it 16:25:27 <TrueBrain> 800 users are registered .. I wonder how many of those have valid email addresses .... 16:28:32 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:30:22 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAE8615.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 16:32:26 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16781 /trunk/src/settings_gui.cpp: -Fix [FS#3026] (r16297): don't cast negative values to uints when the settings' range is "negative..positive". 16:34:08 <Eddi|zuHause> so when do we start storing (name,value) pairs so not every patch out there needs to bump the savegame version? 16:36:15 <Rubidium> as if every patch needs to bump the savegame version 16:45:43 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 16:52:50 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db019bc.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 17:06:18 *** Zorn [~zorn@e177235080.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )] 17:08:50 *** Zorn [~zorn@e177235080.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 17:15:15 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:23:16 <Eddi|zuHause> well, everyone that adds a setting 17:26:09 * Belugas sets a adding on Eddi|zuHause 17:27:03 <Eddi|zuHause> what you mean is an edding 17:36:40 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CBE3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:37:14 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:37:26 <Eddi|zuHause> http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datei:Eddingstifte.jpg&filetimestamp=20080316114610 17:41:23 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051146003.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:44:08 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051146003.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 17:45:32 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-0-123-9.nrth.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 17:46:41 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r16782 /trunk/src/lang/ (11 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) 17:46:41 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:46:41 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: catalan - 33 changes by arnaullv 17:46:41 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: dutch - 2 changes by habell 17:46:41 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: french - 2 changes by belugas 17:46:42 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: galician - 18 changes by Condex 17:46:42 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: german - 8 changes by Roujin 17:47:10 *** Joepie [~Joepie@ip5456de9f.speed.planet.nl] has left #openttd [] 17:52:02 <Alberth> how does one get to see the 0.7.1 screen shot at the http://www.openttd.org main page? Clicking on it jumps to screen shots for 0.6 and older. 17:53:44 <Rubidium> Alberth: because it's a big lie :( 17:53:52 <Rubidium> flame TB :) 17:54:26 <Eddi|zuHause> i only ever have seen the same ugly screenshot from ages ago in that small preview... 17:54:43 * Alberth fires up a big flame thrower, waiting for TB to show up.... 17:55:28 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: you're free to write a fix for it 17:57:23 <Eddi|zuHause> and the previews of some pictures is not scaled properly 17:59:00 <Rubidium> so, you want to fix that too? 17:59:58 <Eddi|zuHause> yes. and i also want to sign up for someone's job 18:01:56 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 18:02:09 *** [NL[Roel] [~NLRoel]@82-169-19-81.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 18:02:09 *** welsh is now known as welshdragon 18:02:13 <[NL[Roel]> hi all 18:02:22 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 18:02:42 <[NL[Roel]> please join my server 18:02:54 <[NL[Roel]> its called [NL] The Netherlands 18:03:00 <KingJ> No. 18:03:07 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think so. 18:03:58 * Nite_Owl slices through the hostility with a warm butter knife 18:07:13 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has joined #openttd 18:07:29 <Sacro> hello [NL[Roel] 18:07:34 <Sacro> please stop spamming our channel 18:07:37 <Sacro> it's called #openttd 18:08:25 <Alberth> hello Nite_Owl 18:09:01 <Nite_Owl> Hello Alberth 18:16:13 <Eddi|zuHause> what disturbs me more is not that he spams the channel, but that the brackets in his nick are not properly closed 18:17:15 <Nite_Owl> ]] 18:21:19 *** J_Darnley [~jamesdarn@d54C280AB.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:21:31 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16783 /trunk/src/ai/api/ (ai_buoylist.hpp.sq squirrel_export.sh): -Change: make it more clear that the squirrel_export script needs gawk. 18:22:18 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r16784 /trunk/src/ (6 files in 2 dirs): 18:22:18 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix: Audio playback rate was fixed at 11025Hz regardless of the rate specified 18:22:18 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: to the audio driver, resulting in incorrect playback speed. It is still 18:22:18 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: preferable to use 11025Hz output rate if possible as OpenTTD's sample rate 18:22:18 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: converter is very low quality. 18:30:14 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16785 /trunk/src/ (6 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: make ships going to buoys use OT_GOTO_WAYPOINT too 18:33:04 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAE8615.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:42:50 <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.polit.ru/news/2009/07/09/photoap.html <- is it me or did the russian guy get too much alcohol? 18:45:23 <Eddi|zuHause> "A french, an italian and a russian go into a bar..." 18:51:59 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:08:38 *** Yexo [~Yexo@ip51cca4b5.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 19:23:19 *** NeO_Anderson [~Founder@194.50.80.117] has joined #openttd 19:24:07 <NeO_Anderson> hello, I've noticed that I can't use Trams on my dedicated server (linux), even tho its like year 2012 or so, i was told it should be available from the start or at least 2000 19:24:23 <NeO_Anderson> is there something I have to enable or install to get the trams to be useable? 19:24:29 <NeO_Anderson> it's currently greyed out 19:24:50 <Rubidium> trams require a newgrf that adds trams 19:25:00 <NeO_Anderson> I see 19:25:19 <NeO_Anderson> hwo can I install them onto a linux openttd server? 19:25:40 <NeO_Anderson> since it doesnt have the game interface (as far as I know) how else could I install them? 19:26:17 *** KenjiE20 is now known as Guest751 19:26:17 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.22.122.141] has joined #openttd 19:26:27 <NeO_Anderson> and also, if I install this new GRF, would everyone connecting to the server have to have it installed too? or just server? 19:26:37 <DaleStan> Yes. 19:26:49 <NeO_Anderson> yes? 19:27:10 <DaleStan> The former. 19:27:48 <Ammler> NeO_Anderson: use bananas trams :-) 19:27:49 <NeO_Anderson> ... 19:28:20 <NeO_Anderson> so how cna I install grf onto linux server? :S 19:28:30 <NeO_Anderson> can 19:29:10 <Yexo> download the newgrf and put it in the data folder 19:29:23 <Yexo> you can also access bananas via the in-game console 19:29:49 <NeO_Anderson> I don't need to edit anything? 19:30:05 <NeO_Anderson> just put in the datafolder and restart server and it works? 19:30:13 <Yexo> you don't even need to restart the server 19:30:13 <NeO_Anderson> do clients have to have the GRF installed too? 19:30:16 <NeO_Anderson> oh ok 19:30:32 <Yexo> executing rescan_grfs is enough (or something like that, not sure of the exact name) 19:30:39 <NeO_Anderson> I see 19:30:40 *** Guest751 [~KenjiE20@92.22.64.237] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:30:40 <NeO_Anderson> ty 19:30:42 <Yexo> an dyes, clients need to have the same newgrfs 19:30:48 <NeO_Anderson> ahh 19:30:49 <NeO_Anderson> okies 19:39:54 <dihedral> and if you get your grf from the online content server, then the clients can too 19:41:16 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r16786 /trunk/src/airport_gui.cpp: -Fix [FS#3027] (r16752): only one tile was selected when the build airport window was opened instead of an area with the size of the airport 20:13:08 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-223-212.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:16:23 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:16:25 *** [NL[Roel] [~NLRoel]@82-169-19-81.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 20:28:44 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-0-123-9.nrth.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: Tsch?ss] 20:33:06 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has joined #openttd 20:34:16 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CBE3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:47:07 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 20:48:21 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r16787 /trunk/src/ (airport_gui.cpp window_gui.h): -Fix [FS#3027]: the noise level text in the airport build window was drawn over the lowest button 20:50:56 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:51:05 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590c3e4b.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:57:04 <Belugas> led zep... hmmmmm so goooooddd..... 20:57:24 <Belugas> another thing that is good... is... fairwell goodbies!!! 20:57:27 <Belugas> bye bye then 20:57:41 <petern> i only have one :( 20:58:09 <Belugas> hoo... shall we fix that? 20:58:15 <Belugas> i guess we should 20:58:45 <petern> could do :) 20:58:55 <Nite_Owl> later Belugas 20:59:15 *** dragonhorseboy [~zerovnc@modemcable160.111-57-74.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 20:59:29 <dragonhorseboy> just wondering but I take it ottd could be changed to use a different port for multiplayer hosting? 21:00:57 <Belugas> pantoute, estie! 21:01:09 * Belugas is gone 21:01:17 <Yexo> dragonhorseboy: yes, it's somewhere in the config file 21:01:22 <Rubidium> ofcourse you can change OpenTTD to use a different port, after all its open source 21:01:39 <dragonhorseboy> ty I'll look at that later 21:01:58 <dragonhorseboy> wanted to check about a different port for routers-sake when that time comes ^-^ 21:07:39 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:09:24 <dragonhorseboy> ah ok found it 21:13:02 <dragonhorseboy> hmm ok whats next to plan now... 21:15:50 <dragonhorseboy> any of you got any spare usb printer bridge adapter? hehe :-) 21:17:26 * Rubidium got an utp printer bridge adapter (if you can call it that) 21:24:12 <dragonhorseboy> only if some decent printers could actually come with ethernet rather than only usb alone (the only old example I know of is hp deskjet 1600 which actually had one jetdirect slot in back) .. but blah :-p 21:24:29 <dragonhorseboy> and by that I mean just a printer .. none of these aio things 21:30:36 <dihedral> r16787 <- thanks yexo :-) 21:32:34 <planetmaker> dragonhorseboy: decent printers come with that for ages... 21:32:36 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has quit [Quit: Bitches.] 21:32:56 <planetmaker> like directly connected to the ethernet with their own IP 21:33:15 <dihedral> planetmaker, i think he's considering decent printers < 200 Eur 21:33:18 <dihedral> :-P 21:33:33 <planetmaker> :P add on "0" and it comes possibly close :) 21:33:50 <Ammler> which network protocol do you use for printers? 21:34:21 <planetmaker> tcp/ip 21:34:41 <dihedral> appletalk :-D 21:34:46 <planetmaker> :D 21:34:58 <planetmaker> I guess not quite here at 'versity. 21:35:09 <dragonhorseboy> planetmaker...I've never ever seen one..they're always either only usb or comes in the useless all-in-one packages 21:35:24 <planetmaker> But it's quite cool that I can print on the A0 plotter straight from my desktop over 1km distance. 21:35:43 <dihedral> dragonhorseboy, you are not looking well enough 21:35:59 <planetmaker> actually... if I asked, I could right here from home via VPN :P 21:36:02 <dragonhorseboy> dihedral...no? the whole production range on epson, canon, and hp sites 21:36:06 <dihedral> consider an a3 color laser 21:36:16 <Ammler> I changed from TCP/IP to IPP, wondering, if that works better 21:36:20 <dihedral> something that can also copy and perhaps staple :-P 21:36:46 <planetmaker> Ammler: hm... some might. Not sure anymore actually :) 21:37:00 <dihedral> dragonhorseboy, they devide their product range into private, small business, medium and large business 21:37:14 <dragonhorseboy> I already have an oversized scanner that I prefer alone instead (try find any home all-in-one printer that can handle a 12x14" scan job heh) 21:37:25 <Rubidium> Ammler: TCP/IP to IPP is like TCP/IP to HTTP 21:37:27 <dragonhorseboy> dihedral..doesn't really matter..the stores lump them into same list anyway 21:37:42 <Ammler> I am a bit confused, TCP works well here, but an other pc has many problems, dunno, if that is the issue. 21:37:48 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:37:58 <Rubidium> dragonhorseboy: maybe the hardware vendors in your country don't like IP-enabled printers 21:38:12 <dihedral> dragonhorseboy, and if you really want to spend money, have a look at the plotters ^^ 21:38:33 <planetmaker> at work we have nothing else - except the portable ones for use on business trips. 21:38:37 <Ammler> I have a 1m plotter here, if you need 21:38:41 <dihedral> and no, they dont just exist with a parallel port connection 21:38:50 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db019bc.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Quit: gn8] 21:39:02 * Rubidium can print at his own or parents house from anywhere in the world ;) 21:39:03 <dihedral> planetmaker, same here 21:39:03 <Ammler> just the "gummiband" is broken 21:39:05 <planetmaker> nothing else = nothing else than TCP/IP capable printers 21:39:19 <Rubidium> just a cheap HP 4050CN ;) 21:39:24 <planetmaker> :) 21:39:24 <dragonhorseboy> do any plotters actually take individual papers (especially down to A4's)? 21:39:35 <dihedral> ..... 21:39:41 <planetmaker> dragonhorseboy: plotters usually not. They have a big role of paper... 21:39:46 <dihedral> dragonhorseboy, stfg 21:39:50 <dragonhorseboy> planetmaker..wouldn't work here then 21:40:07 <dragonhorseboy> stfg? 21:40:07 <dihedral> they print, they have a network card 21:40:14 <dihedral> search the fucking google 21:40:14 <planetmaker> dragonhorseboy: there's a difference between plotter and printer. And both can come with whatever network connection... 21:40:49 <dihedral> dragonhorseboy, hp laserjet 4100 (not very new, but does a god job) 21:40:50 <dragonhorseboy> planetmaker...well yeah I'm often doing different papers most turns (just like with the scanner itself) .. but more or less its often thin A4 papers 21:41:10 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has joined #openttd 21:41:13 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 21:41:15 <planetmaker> that's a job for a printer. Not a plotter... 21:41:21 <Ammler> [23:37] <Rubidium> Ammler: TCP/IP to IPP is like TCP/IP to HTTP <-- means? 21:41:34 <planetmaker> And yes, the good printers have auto-select from like 3 different paper types 21:41:48 <dihedral> Ammler, TCP/IP is required for either 21:41:52 <planetmaker> or at least you can select manually the slot from which to print from 21:41:53 <dihedral> it's how your network works 21:41:57 <Rubidium> Ammler: that IPP is a TCP protocol like HTTP, so not really different from TCP 21:42:14 <Ammler> so if TCP doesn't work, IPP wouldn't either? 21:42:34 <dihedral> Ammler, i did not expect you to actually need to ask somthing like that 21:42:36 <Ammler> well, I will see :-) 21:42:39 <dihedral> must say: cute! 21:42:49 * dihedral pats Ammler on he head 21:42:58 <Rubidium> well, unless it isn't really TCP, but some vague unnamed protocol implemented on top of TCP (like IPP) 21:43:34 <TrueBrain> 'if TCP doesn't work' <- LOL! 21:43:39 <planetmaker> completely unrelated, I must state, that a map with OpenGFX and no black boxes anywhere actually looks quite neat :) 21:43:39 <TrueBrain> sorry .. that is just funny to read :) 21:43:57 <dihedral> :-D 21:44:08 <dihedral> Ammler: tcp/ip <- where else have you seen ... IP 21:44:17 <dihedral> and if your computerhas no IP ...... 21:44:30 <dihedral> not the best example, but in your case it will do 21:45:26 <dihedral> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=802083#p802083 <- why on earth can people not just use their standard file system browser? 21:45:49 <Ammler> well network worked, the printer was accessable over web, just no job got there, as I changed it to lpp, it was fine. :-) 21:46:33 <TrueBrain> welcome in the world of badly named thingies :) 21:46:33 <Ammler> from my pc, I still use tcp/ip, so no real idea :-) 21:46:55 <TrueBrain> Ammler: you should stop saying that 21:47:02 <TrueBrain> it ... is silly to say :) 21:47:07 <dihedral> so the web was accessible but no print job got there: clearly tcp was not working :-D 21:47:09 <Ammler> saying what? 21:47:15 <TrueBrain> 'I still use tcp/ip' 21:47:24 <TrueBrain> dihedral: YOU BROKE THE INTERNET! 21:47:31 <dihedral> :-D 21:47:35 <dihedral> i googled google 21:47:38 <dragonhorseboy> hmm the laserjet 4100 looks nice. only I don't print much text-only papers tho so i guess I'll have to take a pass :S 21:47:49 <Rubidium> dragonhorseboy: why? 21:47:51 <dragonhorseboy> 256mb of memory .. thats nice for these big pdf files tho 21:47:52 <Ammler> "Raw TCP/IP Printing " 21:47:59 <TrueBrain> Ammler: much better ;) 21:48:00 <dihedral> dragonhorseboy, that was an example of a networkable printer 21:48:01 <dragonhorseboy> rubidium..colour? :) 21:48:02 <Ammler> :P 21:48:29 <dragonhorseboy> dihedral..yeah...still it looks way better than these frequent cheap/free 4M (or was that 4L?) ones that always pass hands around here 21:48:41 <Rubidium> a colour laserjet 4500dn (duplexer + almost 1000 pages worth of trays) doesn't cost that much 21:48:54 <dragonhorseboy> these 4's seem to just refuse to die unless a major assembly blew I guess 21:49:08 <dihedral> dragonhorseboy, and i thought you said you looked at all printers 21:49:23 <dragonhorseboy> rubidium of course the other problem is the paper holder is usually made only for A4's 21:49:31 <Rubidium> 50 euros + a few bottles of bad wine + 50 euros for a full set of toners which means you can print for ages 21:49:51 <dragonhorseboy> bad wine? rofl 21:50:10 <dihedral> just dont buy samsung colour laster, buying a full set of toner is more expensive than the entire printer :-P 21:50:51 <Ammler> dihedral: why should you use bananas, you can download the grf with your web browser? 21:51:44 <Ammler> imo, that is a suggestion with sense :-) 21:51:46 <dragonhorseboy> one thing I do know tho... 21:52:32 <Ammler> oh well, good night foks. 21:52:36 <TrueBrain> night Ammler 21:52:46 <TrueBrain> don't forget to close down your TCP/IP box 21:52:50 <dragonhorseboy> hp officejet headers (or in the case of the three I've used) don't seem to always like thick A4 papers of three different brands .. they start gumming up after a few typical pages 21:52:53 <Ammler> hehe 21:52:58 <TrueBrain> ;) 21:52:58 <Ammler> I won't 21:53:06 <dragonhorseboy> bye ammler :) 21:53:08 <Ammler> dunno, if it ever will start again 21:53:28 <dihedral> dragonhorseboy, if you read the specs carefully, printers are not always designed to take any pinter you feed to them 21:53:58 <dihedral> Ammler: next time please also enable netbui :-D 21:54:06 <dragonhorseboy> dihedral...and the usual A4 papers are too thin to be effective when taped to glass walls in sun-facing storefront windows 21:54:12 <Nite_Owl> later Ammler 21:54:18 <dragonhorseboy> so go figure with these hp printers :) 21:54:19 <TrueBrain> dihedral: netbEui 21:54:41 <planetmaker> night Ammler 21:54:47 <SpComb> there's a 10cm high stack of waste paper next to the printer here with random HTTP requests printed on them 21:54:51 <Ammler> LPR/LPD is the 3th there 21:54:53 <Ammler> rd 21:54:55 <dragonhorseboy> at least A2 photo papers seem to be about all the same thing just differing only by price and re-brands 21:55:03 <dragonhorseboy> spcomb rofl 21:55:05 <SpComb> seems someone did some random HTTP port scans and hit the printer 21:55:09 <SpComb> and it emptied out the paper tray 21:55:19 <dihedral> dragonhorseboy, depending on where paper enters and exits the printer you can normally feed them 130g/m^2 21:55:19 <TrueBrain> SpComb: sucks to use IPP :) 21:55:29 <Ammler> m?h :P 21:55:44 <SpComb> nobody could figure out a stable samba/cups server to put it behind 21:56:03 <dihedral> Ammler: 3rd NOT 3th 21:56:10 <TrueBrain> dihedral: he already corrected himself 21:56:12 <TrueBrain> no need to do it again 21:56:19 <dihedral> who knows ^^ 21:56:20 <Ammler> thanks and real night now 21:56:27 <TrueBrain> sleep well Ammler 21:56:30 <TrueBrain> don't let the bed bugs bite you 21:57:10 <dihedral> if they do, squeeze them tight and they wont be back tomorrow night 21:58:49 <Nite_Owl> yuck 21:59:08 <dihedral> *pop* 21:59:20 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r16788 /trunk/src/road_gui.cpp: -Fix: with modified_catchment off the build road station window would not display all possible cargos in the Accepts/Supplies lists 22:00:16 * dragonhorseboy still wishes I could have the $ to afford one of the dell 24" lcd monitor :P 22:00:45 * TrueBrain enjoys his 2x 22" 22:00:48 <dragonhorseboy> but till then I guess I'll still keep my 17" crt I got aside to picking an used 17" lcd to put on the other pc due soon .. works anyway 22:01:10 * Rubidium enjoys his 15" ;) 22:01:15 <Yexo> why buy a 24" when you can buy 3 22" for the same price? 22:01:38 <TrueBrain> 3x 22" WD .. that would be total overkill 22:01:43 <dragonhorseboy> yexo..because the dell one comes with both displayport and video-in (no tv part so I don't think its really a lcdtv as per or is it?) 22:01:53 <dragonhorseboy> heh 22:03:02 <dihedral> and a tv must have a good res! 22:03:10 <Nite_Owl> would you not need a video tuner card to get any real use out of it 22:03:13 <TrueBrain> 32" 720p TV .. hmm ... 22:03:16 <TrueBrain> I am spoiled :( 22:03:21 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r16789 /trunk/src/ (6 files): -Codechange: unify the drawing of the Accepts/Supplies cargo lists in the station build windows. 22:03:36 <dragonhorseboy> nite_owl..not true.. can plug the game console and dvr/cablebox into this dell 24" lcd anyway 22:04:01 <dragonhorseboy> truebrain heh 22:04:08 <dihedral> and a game console has no tv tuner card...? 22:04:14 <dihedral> my word - i am bitching again 22:04:18 <dihedral> night 22:04:19 <Nite_Owl> yes but then you cannot use your PC as a DVR 22:04:25 <TrueBrain> night dihedral 22:04:33 <dragonhorseboy> truebrain I've been considering skipping on a tv for the living room and just use a projector alone instead 22:04:40 <Nite_Owl> later dihedral 22:04:45 <TrueBrain> projectors .. bah 22:04:48 <planetmaker> g'night folks 22:04:51 *** KUDr [~doctor@203.253.broadband9.iol.cz] has quit [] 22:05:02 <dragonhorseboy> seem a lot cheaper considering I don't quite even buy new titles much at all so HD is a tad pointless to dump $ on 22:05:10 <Nite_Owl> later planetmaker 22:05:11 <dragonhorseboy> :) 22:05:11 <TrueBrain> I have a 13m^2 room, and I have a 32" TV and 2x 22" WD computer screens ... haha 22:06:18 <TrueBrain> dragonhorseboy: 720p is worth it ... so much! 22:06:50 <dragonhorseboy> truebrain...for what actual reason with most of the movies being only ntsc formatted anyway? 22:06:51 <dragonhorseboy> ;) 22:07:13 <TrueBrain> hmm .. I wonder when it was the last time I worried about regions ... 22:07:18 <TrueBrain> when downloading a new xbox game I guess 22:07:58 <TrueBrain> 720p mkv via PC via HDMI to TV .. I don't see the problem with regions :p 22:08:12 <dragonhorseboy> where did I said regions? 22:08:17 <TrueBrain> NTSC 22:08:21 <TrueBrain> is a region 22:08:28 * Rubidium feels so poor with well... 10m^2, no TV and 1 15" computer screen 22:08:31 <TrueBrain> NTSC-J and PAL being the other 2 (which matters) 22:08:54 <dragonhorseboy> no... 22:09:03 <dragonhorseboy> truebrain..look up the res for ntsc 22:09:18 <TrueBrain> then you should be more specific :) Little people rever to resolution when using NTSC 22:09:29 <TrueBrain> that said ... most of the movies of the last 3 years are available in high-res :p 22:10:11 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CBE3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:10:17 <dragonhorseboy> well ntsc is actually a res name as much as people might not like that 22:10:19 <Rubidium> high-res? I still need to upscale them :( 22:10:29 <TrueBrain> TSC (National Television System Committee) is the analog television system that was used in most of the Americas, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Burma, and some Pacific island nations and territories (see map). 22:10:33 <TrueBrain> NTSC (National Television System Committee) is the analog television system that was used in most of the Americas, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Burma, and some Pacific island nations and territories (see map). 22:10:41 <TrueBrain> dragonhorseboy: where in that is there any reference to resolution? :) 22:11:36 <TrueBrain> and it has mostly to do with colour .. but okay :) 22:12:09 <Eddi|zuHause> <TrueBrain> hmm .. I wonder when it was the last time I worried about regions ... <- the only people who are at a disadvantage are the honest buyers 22:12:12 <dragonhorseboy> where it says 480x320 22:12:36 <TrueBrain> dragonhorseboy: no, it doesn't. But I know a solution to this discusion: show where it defines resolution? 22:12:56 <dragonhorseboy> and pal is 576x320 (and you wonder why converting a movie isn't always so simple to convert from pal to ntsc unless you wan tto live with a vertical squish effect) 22:13:16 <Eddi|zuHause> where did you get those values from? 22:13:27 <dragonhorseboy> eddi..any standards for ntsc/pal will tell you 22:13:32 <TrueBrain> dragonhorseboy: show us 22:13:33 <TrueBrain> please do 22:13:35 <TrueBrain> enlight us 22:13:59 <TrueBrain> as I wonder why xbox games can be NTSC, and how that relates to any resolution 22:14:07 <Rubidium> NTSC (according to the specs) has 525 scanlines of which 486 are visible, so 486 should be the resolution in Y direction 22:14:32 <Eddi|zuHause> and pal has 576 active lines 22:15:06 <Eddi|zuHause> most digital channels send in 720x576 22:15:18 <Eddi|zuHause> some in 480x576 22:15:26 <TrueBrain> I love that NTSC is 29.97 fps :p 22:15:33 <TrueBrain> who thought that was a good idea? :) 22:15:56 <dragonhorseboy> well I suspect it had to do with analog components early on many years ago 22:15:58 <dragonhorseboy> :) 22:16:09 <TrueBrain> you are still evading our request to support your claims 22:16:15 <Eddi|zuHause> TrueBrain: i always thought that was related to the power system being 60Hz 22:16:19 <TrueBrain> that NTCS is a reference to a resolution, rather then a region with standards 22:16:27 <Eddi|zuHause> as opposed to the 50Hz in europe 22:16:35 <dragonhorseboy> truebrain..blame it on their sites being crappy slow like its about 1-2kb/s upload from them 22:16:36 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: possible; still is annoying :) 22:16:43 <dragonhorseboy> I'm still rather waiting for the page to even show 22:17:07 <Rubidium> the refresh frequency was shifted slightly downward to 59.94 Hz to eliminate stationary dot patterns in the color carrier 22:17:24 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm still amazed by the "solution" of converting 24Hz movies to 25Hz PAL by playing them 4% faster 22:17:58 <KenjiE20> oh btw dragonhorseboy 22:18:07 <Eddi|zuHause> (which results in music being roughly one half tone higher) 22:18:15 <KenjiE20> you were questing after a burner earlier? 22:19:08 <dragonhorseboy> kenjie20...yeah? 22:19:16 * petern sniggers at dragonhorseboy's limited understanding 22:19:19 * dragonhorseboy whacks site to hurry up already 22:19:39 <KenjiE20> you tried "infrarecorder" 3Mb big and does pretty much everything you could reasonably need 22:19:44 <petern> Eddi|zuHause, "amazed"... it's fairly obvious, and 4% isn't really noticable unless you do a side-by-side compare 22:19:52 <KenjiE20> * add a ? in there somewhere 22:20:10 * Rubidium ponders daily removing 4% of Kenji's bank account 22:20:17 <KenjiE20> nooes 22:20:30 <TrueBrain> hmm ... slowing down real life by 4% .. 4% more work done ... 22:20:33 <TrueBrain> would be useful 22:20:34 <petern> you'd notice it if it changed 4% every time :p 22:20:41 <Rubidium> after all, it isn't really noticable 22:20:42 <Eddi|zuHause> petern: i also never noticed, until i had an american tv recording and a european (british, i think) tv recording side by side 22:21:11 <petern> you never noticed that ntsc is shit? 22:21:12 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: ah well, days are progressively taking longer yet noone is complaining about that 22:21:33 <Eddi|zuHause> petern: well, i did, that's why i got the british recording ;) 22:21:48 <TrueBrain> ntsc is shit 22:21:49 <dragonhorseboy> kenjie20 hmm no..that looks nice. I'll have to try it ;) 22:21:52 <petern> no doubt dragonhorseboy won't like that claim either :) 22:22:00 <Rubidium> the shittyness of NTSC might've been a good thing for the introduction of HDTV 22:22:04 <petern> (except it's fact) 22:22:04 <Eddi|zuHause> i didn't have a lot of contact with NTSC before 22:22:23 <Rubidium> as here in the Netherlands there's like 0 local HD channels 22:22:28 <TrueBrain> 90% of the downloads I did last month was HDTV (720p) :$ 22:22:31 <KenjiE20> it's my replacement for Nero now, does all the same gumpf I need from it, at a fraction of the cost 22:22:34 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: no longer true! :) 22:22:36 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: yeah, might explain why HDTV has not picked up yet in europe 22:22:53 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: name me one that isn't local 22:22:54 <TrueBrain> well, depends on what you define as 'local' 22:22:58 <Rubidium> Tour de France isn't local 22:23:04 <TrueBrain> Ned1 is going HD 22:23:05 <Rubidium> Disco/NGC isn't local 22:23:07 <TrueBrain> if it wasn't already 22:23:13 <TrueBrain> RTL4 is going HD 22:23:17 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: "is going" != "is" 22:23:23 <TrueBrain> yeah, I believe next monday 22:23:25 <TrueBrain> so close enough 22:23:33 <dragonhorseboy> heh..i actually wishes SECAM had been more popular and especially to take over north america but ... >_< 22:23:38 <dragonhorseboy> wished* 22:23:39 <TrueBrain> or last monday .. but I lost track of time .. HOLIDAY!!! 22:23:55 <Eddi|zuHause> dragonhorseboy: SECAM is almost as shit as NTSC 22:24:15 <petern> analogue delay line! 22:24:38 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: either way, Ned1 was HD up to 24 aug 2008 for certain operators 22:24:41 <Eddi|zuHause> dragonhorseboy: the soviet union purchased SECAM from france, and forced every sattelite state to use SECAM. the TV producers in east germany protested, because PAL was a lot better 22:24:43 <dragonhorseboy> eddi..but at least it was cleaner on cabling and not to mention that secam actually had a bus for device control too 22:24:56 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: but ONLY for 'foreign' content, all local content was upscaled 22:24:58 <Eddi|zuHause> but they still were forced to implement SECAM 22:25:06 <dragonhorseboy> eddi.. secam actually has a pal version as well for the footnote 22:25:10 <Rubidium> which is kinda defeating the point of HD, and thus not HD 22:25:15 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: true true; still, you asked for 'channel', not 'content' ;) (to stay as picky as you can be :p) 22:25:41 <Eddi|zuHause> then they tried to put SECAM-only TVs on the marked (to have the people only be able to watch western tv in black&white) 22:25:45 <Eddi|zuHause> but nobody bought them 22:26:00 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: since 4 july 22:26:02 <dragonhorseboy> bah..I guess the offical site's server is a garbage of poop...hmm...brb 22:26:03 <Eddi|zuHause> all people bought dual PAL/SECAM models 22:26:09 <TrueBrain> ned1 is HD 22:26:14 <petern> the official server, huh? 22:26:18 <TrueBrain> all Ster stuff is 22:26:43 <Eddi|zuHause> and funnily, the east german broadcasting stations used PAL internally, because it is much better for processing (cutting, etc.) 22:26:58 <Eddi|zuHause> which made it very easy to switch to PAL after the reunification 22:30:51 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r16790 /trunk/src/ai/api/ (ai_vehicle.cpp ai_vehicle.hpp ai_vehicle.hpp.sq): -Add [NoAI]: AIVehicle::GetReliability to get the current reliability of vehicles 22:31:21 <dragonhorseboy> well here's a site and it shows that ntsc is 480 horizontal lines in a frame and at 4:3 ratio (so we can assume 320 for vertical from there anyway) http://www.burnworld.com/dvd/primer/ntsc.htm 22:31:40 <TrueBrain> one site .. yeah .. that proofs a lot :) 22:31:41 <TrueBrain> tnx! 22:32:03 <dragonhorseboy> mention of captioning reminds me of seeing these screenshots of the teletext system oversea and always wondering why that never worked well over here :/ 22:32:24 <dragonhorseboy> truebrain..just look up any other ntsc (I dunno why the offical one is down) pages and they'll repeat the same thing 22:32:41 <TrueBrain> yeah, that it is an instititute which made a standard, very good :) 22:33:12 <TrueBrain> I wish you all a very good night 22:33:32 <Nite_Owl> later TrueBrain 22:33:37 <dragonhorseboy> bye truebrain :) 22:34:52 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:35:12 <Nite_Owl> time to feed - later all 22:35:20 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 22:36:25 <dragonhorseboy> anyway i guess one reason I'm not that interested in a large tv is because both the speaker and tv tuner aspects would be useless (former one right away and latter one in a few months) so may as well as save some good $ and just go for the projector instead 22:36:32 <dragonhorseboy> to our own ways of course :-) 22:37:29 <petern> TO EACH OUR OWN 22:37:56 <petern> dragonhorseboy, lolol 22:38:04 <petern> dragonhorseboy, it's 4:3 ... 22:38:04 <dragonhorseboy> hm? 22:38:07 <petern> not 3:4 22:38:10 <petern> however 22:38:11 <petern> it's also 22:38:13 <petern> ANALOGUE 22:38:20 <petern> 480 horizontal lines 22:38:47 <dragonhorseboy> I said 4:3 as well..whats your point? 22:39:30 <petern> 480 horizontal lines at 4:3 aspect would be, oddly enough, 640 'pixels' horizontally 22:39:37 <petern> oh look, VGA 22:39:52 <petern> however, it's analogue, there is not horizontal resolution, other than bandwidth 22:41:05 <Eddi|zuHause> for digital sources, the pixels are usually not quadratic 22:42:04 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 22:42:13 <Eddi|zuHause> like they send in 720x576, but 4:3 would be 768x578, or 16:9 would be 1024x576 22:42:43 <Eddi|zuHause> the display has to stretch the picture then to the desired aspect ratio 22:42:45 <petern> yarr 22:42:58 <petern> well 22:43:17 <petern> only stretched if you're outputting to a digital frame buffer :) 22:46:43 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16791 /trunk/src/station_cmd.cpp: -Codechange: unify (and document) the Remove[StationType] functions. 22:46:57 <Eddi|zuHause> dragonhorseboy: just for reference: 480 horizontal lines means 480 vertical resolution 22:47:45 <Eddi|zuHause> the number of lines is usually the second figure in a resolution 22:47:53 <Eddi|zuHause> so NTSC resolution is XXX:480 22:50:08 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DE106.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:50:12 <Coco-Banana-Man> hi there 22:51:07 <Yexo> hello fruit-man 22:51:24 <Eddi|zuHause> what does a coco-banana look like? does it have a banana shaped hard hull? 22:52:51 <Sacro> hull? 22:53:04 <Eddi|zuHause> no, then i'd have said 'ull 22:54:58 <dragonhorseboy> ok..oven's broiling my supper now :P 22:55:26 <Eddi|zuHause> is "broiling" an actual word? 22:56:04 <Eddi|zuHause> in (eastern) germany, "broiler" means a grilled half chicken 22:56:27 <Sacro> yeah, it's a word 22:56:41 <Rubidium> http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/broil <- proof enough? 22:56:46 <Eddi|zuHause> and in western germany, the word was practically unknown 22:56:50 *** KUDr [~doctor@203.253.broadband9.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 22:57:21 <Eddi|zuHause> which is weird, because if it is an english-derived word, why would the usually english learning western population not know it 22:57:30 <Eddi|zuHause> while the usually russian learning eastern population does 22:57:47 <Rubidium> it's from french/latin 22:59:07 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 22:59:08 <dragonhorseboy> half chicken..is that like with only one leg? :P 22:59:23 <Sacro> not if it's the bottom half 22:59:34 <Eddi|zuHause> means it is one chicken that is cut in half length-wise 22:59:50 <dragonhorseboy> heh ok..never heard of or seen that here 22:59:58 <Eddi|zuHause> but being french-derived could be an explanation 23:00:13 <dragonhorseboy> although I do recall I first learned of Crepes on the first holiday to paris a good several years ago 23:00:16 <Eddi|zuHause> lots of french derived words came to germany through the hugenottes 23:00:44 <Eddi|zuHause> which were protestantic christians driven out of france, and they found refuge in prussia 23:01:01 <dragonhorseboy> basically just a thin pancake (can be normal recipe with more milk added as I have done) then when its ready .. pour the filling on and roll it up then eat :) 23:01:30 <Eddi|zuHause> i do know what Crepes is 23:01:37 <Eddi|zuHause> my mother is a french teacher, after all ;) 23:01:40 <dragonhorseboy> I always liked chocolate ones :) 23:02:00 <dragonhorseboy> I still have to ponder the meaning of 'beaver tails' tho (yes thats a food) 23:02:22 <Eddi|zuHause> i only know the "beaver tails" that you put on the roof... 23:02:29 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: she teaches French or she teaches in France or she teaches and is born in France? 23:02:41 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: the first one 23:03:10 <dragonhorseboy> eddi here's a photo for you: http://leah.theblog.ca/wp-content/photos/DSC05801.JPG 23:03:13 <Eddi|zuHause> she was born in east germany... 23:03:21 <Eddi|zuHause> which is common amongst east germans :p 23:03:26 <dragonhorseboy> and yes the farthest one does seem to have a sauce covering it 23:04:08 <Eddi|zuHause> dragonhorseboy: i still have no idea what this is... 23:05:24 <dragonhorseboy> eddi one thing in history I do know about tho is how during WWII one hopsital room in Ottawa (forgot exact name now) was decleared Dutch soil so the exiled queen could have her baby dutch-born 23:05:52 <dragonhorseboy> anyway broiling should be done...bbl 23:06:10 <Eddi|zuHause> they kind of left out that part in our history lessons.. 23:06:25 <Eddi|zuHause> there are kinda more important matters to teach about that time... 23:07:18 <Eddi|zuHause> and whenever my grandfather starts talking about the time, he almost breaks out in tears... 23:07:38 <Eddi|zuHause> he was wounded in stalingrad... 23:08:18 <Eddi|zuHause> a few days later, and he wouldn't have been able to get out 23:14:48 *** Yexo [~Yexo@ip51cca4b5.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Quit: bye] 23:33:02 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77D34.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 23:33:20 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77BC2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:39:46 <dragonhorseboy> back 23:42:27 <Eddi|zuHause> oh no! 23:42:59 * dragonhorseboy throws some rca cables at eddi 23:43:00 <dragonhorseboy> :P 23:46:48 <dragonhorseboy> anyway at least the audio side here is pretty easy.. just four room speakers, one audio receiver, computer + game consoles + video decks audio outputs to the receiver. nothing more ;) 23:47:36 <Eddi|zuHause> i have no idea what your problem is... i have a PC with a sat receiver card... 23:48:48 <dragonhorseboy> I prefer seperated especially considering the cold bootup time most pcs take neverminding electricity. but then :p 23:49:03 <Eddi|zuHause> who said anything about booting? 23:51:44 <Eddi|zuHause> and a game console is useless 23:52:03 <dragonhorseboy> not really ;) 23:52:09 <Eddi|zuHause> by the time i would get to buy the next game, it would be two generations outdated 23:53:01 <dragonhorseboy> wipeout, vanishing point, burnout takedown, spyro, pokemon (especially DS0, and do I have to go on with what i got here? ;) 23:53:11 <dragonhorseboy> DS0=DS)* 23:53:58 <Eddi|zuHause> so you're one of those killergame players the politicians always talk about 23:54:05 <dragonhorseboy> the what? 23:54:23 <Eddi|zuHause> because guns don't kill people, computer games do 23:54:46 <dragonhorseboy> lol...well had you actually read the uk news about banning some games due to guns&blood? ;) 23:54:52 <KenjiE20> guns don't kill people wrappers do 23:55:21 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't have to read uk news for that 23:55:33 <Eddi|zuHause> german news are bad enough 23:55:37 * KenjiE20 goes to find that track for daftness sake 23:56:09 <Eddi|zuHause> they even forbade playing warcraft 3 on a (adult only) lan party 23:56:26 <Eddi|zuHause> because of the children 23:56:33 <dragonhorseboy> I've seen the retail boxes but never bothered playing these kind of games 23:57:35 <dragonhorseboy> only online games I got would be PSO V1 and (admittly not ever ran it much anymore these months) Descent2. everything else are just single/two player games 23:58:05 <dragonhorseboy> I guess some of these DS games might be but I've never bothered checking 23:58:16 <Eddi|zuHause> well, 50 years ago it was rock and roll music, 30 years ago it was rock music, 15 years ago it was rap music, and now it is computer games 23:58:42 <Eddi|zuHause> and each generation of youths is always worse than the last one 23:59:00 <Eddi|zuHause> and could please anyone think of the children 23:59:09 <KenjiE20> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xv-2XYOtgCg hehe 23:59:51 <Eddi|zuHause> dragonhorseboy: warcraft 3 is not (necessarily) an online game 23:59:59 <Eddi|zuHause> do not confuse with world of warcraft