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00:00:07 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83F38.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 00:00:10 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 00:04:12 *** Elton07970 [~Delphi@201008130076.user.veloxzone.com.br] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:08:40 *** Elton03021 [~Delphi@201008130076.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #openttd 00:11:21 *** Elton03021 [~Delphi@201008130076.user.veloxzone.com.br] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:16:24 *** Elton01724 [~Delphi@201008130076.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #openttd 00:26:14 *** LaSeandre [~LaSeandre@host86-140-253-237.range86-140.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 00:28:27 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-209-23.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:32:43 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has quit [Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: , sources date: 20090115, built on: 2009/03/07 00:45:02 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/] 00:33:32 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host81-129-81-193.range81-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 00:33:49 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.20.233.104] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0-rc2] 00:46:30 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAE8663.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:47:55 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@dsl-kpobrasgw1-ff7cc100-243.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: Utm Aœ - Aja 35] 00:51:14 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051081003.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 00:53:37 *** Zuu [~Zuu@S0106000f3d50466b.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 00:56:06 <Zuu> Is it only me or is there currently a problem with binaries.openttd.org? Guess I have to be patient and wait. 00:57:22 <Rubidium> seems to work for me 01:00:04 <glx> http://binaries.openttd.org/ is blank, but http://binaries.openttd.org/custom and http://binaries.openttd.org/nightlies are ok for me 01:01:09 <Markk> Is the openttd-servers kinda unstable for the moment? 01:01:45 <Rubidium> glx: guess the index update script failed; reran it and it works again 01:02:40 <Rubidium> Markk: what do you mean by that? 01:03:02 <Markk> Rubidium: tried to DL 0.7.2, but it really slow 01:03:06 <Zuu> Viewing the pages work for me, but downloading don't work. It first gets nothing for quite a while and then a few bytes and then stops downloading resulting in a small 15-16 kB file. 01:03:20 <Zuu> downloading zip-files etc. 01:03:25 <Markk> Same here 01:03:38 <Markk> Sourseforge has the files though 01:03:53 <glx> but http://binaries.openttd.org/ != http://binaries.openttd.org/index.html :) 01:03:56 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@host217-42-231-121.range217-42.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:04:29 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 01:04:31 <Rubidium> don't see any reason why downloading wouldn't work 01:04:55 <Markk> It's working, but it's really slow 01:05:03 <Markk> Around 2-3kB/s 01:05:13 <glx> hmm unless firefox cache fails again 01:05:23 <Markk> It's working from other sites 01:06:27 <Zuu> Markk, but SF only got stable releases right? 01:06:38 <Markk> Prolly 01:07:03 <Rubidium> right... fixed 01:07:25 <Rubidium> or so I hope 01:08:26 <Zuu> Yep, works from here 01:08:34 <Zuu> Thank you Rubidium 01:08:48 <Markk> Rubidium: yes 01:08:51 <Markk> Works better :) 01:08:53 <Markk> Much better 01:09:26 <Zuu> Now I will be able to test your last work on sound sets :-) 01:10:27 <Rubidium> Akoz: maybe flyspray works again too 01:15:11 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DEFE5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Raubgut ist vom Umtausch ausgeschlossen!] 01:18:05 <Zuu> Rubidium: Not sure if there is any thing in particular to test with your last work with sound sets. But at least I can confirm that the opensfx-nightly.tar works, and I did rename my sample.cat to _sample.cat before I started OpenTTD. 01:18:51 *** Elton01724 [~Delphi@201008130076.user.veloxzone.com.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:22:03 <Rubidium> yup, there's not much to test beyond: hey, I've got different sounds and it isn't whining about a missing sample.cat 01:22:50 *** squinnman [~LaSeandre@host86-140-253-237.range86-140.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 01:25:14 <Zuu> Yea, its good work from your side. I have no idea about how much work was required, but with what you did I guess it is quite straight forward to get the sound replacement done. 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haha :-) 08:12:58 <planetmaker> I have to say... an OpenTTD with only Open?FX content is nice :-) 08:41:46 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 08:55:26 *** SirSquidness [~sirsquidn@192.094.dsl.mel.iprimus.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:55:43 *** SirSquidness [~sirsquidn@192.094.dsl.mel.iprimus.net.au] has joined #openttd 09:01:28 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@host217-42-231-121.range217-42.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 09:06:56 *** SirSquidness [~sirsquidn@192.094.dsl.mel.iprimus.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:23:14 <Noldo> planetmaker: there are some sounds already? 09:23:31 <planetmaker> there are. 09:23:37 <planetmaker> everything which Rubi gathered. 09:23:37 <Rubidium> only 42% 09:24:20 <planetmaker> but I heard the rumour that Noldo wants to gather or compose the remaining 58% :-) 09:25:28 <Noldo> don't belive everything you make up :) 09:25:47 *** pavel1269 [~quassel@r2ao16.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 09:29:57 <dihedral> pm, Rubidium: the orudge set of sounds? 09:30:50 <Noldo> Sawmill sound, hmm 09:34:41 *** oskari89 [oskari89@dsl-kpobrasgw1-ff7cc100-243.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 09:41:10 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-82-12-232-52.brnt.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 09:51:26 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DEA4D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:56:26 <TrueBrain> #I say hello! 09:57:03 <Rubidium> #hello hello 09:57:32 <Rubidium> or did you expect: 09:57:40 <Rubidium> #I say high, you say low 09:59:51 <planetmaker> #hell low is quite high? 10:02:51 * Rubidium likes google maps' way of driving by car 10:02:53 <TrueBrain> you guys are WEIRD 10:03:11 <TrueBrain> I don't like those weirdoes who drive the car for google maps (the 3d thingy) 10:03:15 <TrueBrain> they drive ... very rude 10:03:17 <planetmaker> it's good to be not alone in that state of mind :-P 10:03:35 <Rubidium> Kayak across the Pacific Ocean <- how do I do that with a car? 10:03:45 <TrueBrain> using a boat 10:03:48 <TrueBrain> you know those things? :p 10:04:35 <Rubidium> but a boat isn't a kayak 10:04:43 <TrueBrain> a very big kayak 10:07:15 <Rubidium> walking from Sydney NS to Sydney NSW only takes 224 days 10:07:36 <TrueBrain> non-stop! 10:08:21 <Rubidium> going via Belugas only takes a slight 30 hours more 10:08:44 *** Utvik [~autvik@bjo2-1x-dhcp133.studby.uio.no] has joined #openttd 10:11:10 <TrueBrain> a few days ago I calculated the distances to all my roommates (From and to them) 10:11:20 <TrueBrain> walking to one took just a few days :p 10:11:42 <TrueBrain> somehow nobody felt like joining me :( 10:11:49 <Rubidium> oh, the route goes past Tokyo's Imperial Palace :) 10:12:48 <Rubidium> and going past the old one in Kyoto only takes 2 hours extra 10:14:46 <TrueBrain> hmm .. when I resume my emu, the colours are lost 10:14:48 <Rubidium> going past Himeji castle and Hiroshima's Atomic Bomb Dome costs no extra time at all :) 10:14:48 <TrueBrain> bad! :p 10:15:48 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aefg76.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 10:16:25 * Rubidium wonders why the route also goes through Nagasaki 10:16:52 <TrueBrain> I think you should go work by Google :p 10:18:34 <Rubidium> I think I shouldn't 10:19:39 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:23:10 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has joined #openttd 10:25:14 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm3.epsilon180.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 10:25:50 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aefg76.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:26:04 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aefg76.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 10:26:29 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@user-5af25fc5.tcl121.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:28:36 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.16.221.136] has joined #openttd 10:28:48 *** Chris_Booth_ [~chatzilla@client-86-26-240-30.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 10:33:08 *** 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11:56:38 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:50b6:dedb:dbf3:fc00] has joined #openttd 11:56:41 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:08:56 <planetmaker> !rcon set allow_towns_road 0 12:09:00 <planetmaker> !rcon set allow_towns_road 12:09:10 <planetmaker> !rcon set allow_town_road 12:09:14 <TrueBrain> @kick planetmaker wrong channel 12:09:14 *** planetmaker was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [wrong channel] 12:09:15 <LordAzamath> planetmaker 12:09:21 <TrueBrain> glx: fix your script :p 12:09:25 *** planetmaker [~pm@vs241204.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 12:09:30 <LordAzamath> :P 12:09:36 <planetmaker> you're slow, TrueBrain ;-) 12:09:42 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: no, glx is broken :) 12:09:44 <planetmaker> as am I :-P 12:09:52 <TrueBrain> @kick planetmaker preventive kick? 12:09:52 *** planetmaker was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [preventive kick?] 12:10:01 *** planetmaker [~pm@vs241204.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 12:10:09 <TrueBrain> next time I was VERY fast :p 12:10:29 <TrueBrain> (hihi, bad joke, sorry :)) 12:10:52 <glx> fixed 12:11:36 <planetmaker> :-) Now rcon is also in the list? :-) 12:11:48 <Rubidium> planetmaker: try it! 12:11:53 <planetmaker> :-D 12:11:57 <planetmaker> !rcon kick 32 12:11:58 *** planetmaker was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [Wrong channel. Retry in #openttdcoop.] 12:12:00 <DorpsGek> !rcon 12:12:03 <TrueBrain> hihi :p 12:12:07 *** planetmaker [~pm@vs241204.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 12:12:31 <planetmaker> :-P 12:12:35 <pavel1269> !hello 12:12:38 <pavel1269> :-) 12:12:46 <TrueBrain> @kban pavel1269 60 we kick you too, no worries 12:12:47 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!~quassel@r2ao16.net.upc.cz] by DorpsGek 12:12:47 *** pavel1269 was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [we kick you too, no worries] 12:13:12 <glx> [14:12:05] <DorpsGek> Error: I cowardly refuse to kick myself. <-- lol 12:13:20 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C761.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:13:49 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!~quassel@r2ao16.net.upc.cz] by DorpsGek 12:14:05 *** pavel1269 [~quassel@r2ao16.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 12:14:13 <pavel1269> soso unfair 12:14:14 <pavel1269> :-) 12:16:34 <TrueBrain> free kicks for everyone! 12:18:16 <LordAzamath> did I hear FREEE? I want some too 12:18:30 *** LordAzamath was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [no problem] 12:18:30 *** LordAzamath [~rightwing@82.131.16.156.cable.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 12:18:49 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!~rightwing@82.131.16.156.cable.starman.ee] by DorpsGek 12:18:49 *** LordAzamath was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [you have auto-rejoin? You get extra long time] 12:19:50 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!~rightwing@82.131.16.156.cable.starman.ee] by DorpsGek 12:35:49 <dihedral> :-P 12:35:51 <dihedral> hihi 12:36:06 <Akoz> :o 12:39:56 <planetmaker> somehow that reminds me of petert. He was so nice to use @kbanme without time limitation in our channel :-P 12:40:17 <TrueBrain> when? :) 12:40:18 <planetmaker> oh what did the whining start right then when he realized what he did. 12:40:23 <planetmaker> a few weeks back 12:40:28 <TrueBrain> I missed that? :'( 12:40:36 <KenjiE20> http://hyru.ath.cx:60080/~kenji/ottdcoop/quotes/index.php?q=10 12:40:46 <planetmaker> dunno exactly anymore. Are you in #openttdcoop? 12:41:03 <planetmaker> he, right. The quotes :-D 12:41:05 <TrueBrain> no ... :'( 12:41:35 <Rubidium> oh, @kickme and @kickban me sounds like a good feature 12:41:57 <KenjiE20> "load Suicicde" :P 12:41:58 <planetmaker> very good ones, yes 12:42:00 <TrueBrain> I wonder if DorpsGek knows them :p 12:42:00 <KenjiE20> -c 12:42:09 <planetmaker> TrueBrain: it could. It's the same bot type 12:42:21 <TrueBrain> yeah, but they have to be installed .. 12:42:33 <TrueBrain> and it is not 12:42:39 <KenjiE20> hmm, must be in that 2006 plugin zip 12:45:36 <Eddi|zuHause> hey, that reminds me of the suicide boxes in futurama ;) 12:46:19 *** PhoenixII [ralph@f72093.upc-f.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 12:48:53 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:53:17 <TrueBrain> the downside of a JIT is that your backtrace is USELESSSSSssss 13:11:48 *** Elton04650 [~Delphi@201008130076.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #openttd 13:27:03 *** fonsinchen1 [~alve@BAEcf0c.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 13:32:02 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAE8663.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:32:04 *** reldred1 [~reldred@115.131.209.31] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:40:34 *** Lisby [~l@d40a979c.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [] 13:46:40 *** fjb [~frank@p5485EFF7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:09:42 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:10:05 *** stuffcorpse [~stuffcorp@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 14:12:33 <planetmaker> Rubidium: the mime type for logs is now adjusted and it should work as desired. 14:13:33 <Xaroth> TrueBrain: the EA support page even has an entry called Dune under franchise 14:15:04 <Rubidium> planetmaker: are you sure you haven't set it to text/html? 14:15:46 <planetmaker> last time I checked: yes. But there's some weired statistics script running... that does *something* 14:15:57 <Xaroth> didn't get a chance to chat with teh bossman, jetlag.. but we'll chat tomorrow 14:16:22 <TrueBrain> :) 14:16:37 <Xaroth> oooOOOoo 14:16:41 <Xaroth> i can make a ticket under Dune/Dune II 14:16:51 <Rubidium> planetmaker: because my browser says it's text/html 14:17:56 <Xaroth> hah 14:18:19 <TrueBrain> never played Dune3 ... 14:18:19 <Xaroth> Platform: PC ; Game: Dune/Dune II ; Category: Technical, the note below 14:18:20 <Xaroth> Please be sure to attach your computer's DirectX Diagnostic information to this request; this information contains details on your hardware that will allow us to diagnose your issue. 14:18:29 <Xaroth> TrueBrain: that's because there was none 14:18:36 <planetmaker> Rubidium: true. thx, I'll investigate 14:18:40 <TrueBrain> http://www.thealmightyguru.com/Reviews/Dune/Images/Dune-Game-Emperor-PC.jpg 14:18:49 <Xaroth> that's Emperor: Battle for Dune 14:18:56 <Xaroth> if counting, that'd be Dune 4. 14:19:02 <Xaroth> Dune 2000 would have been #3 14:19:08 <TrueBrain> Xaroth: no, it is the 3rd of the Dune2 series 14:19:14 <TrueBrain> Dune2 is the first ;) 14:19:21 <Xaroth> er 14:19:24 <Xaroth> Dune series :/ 14:19:30 <TrueBrain> Dune1 is nothing like Dune2 :) 14:19:33 <Xaroth> duh 14:19:43 <Xaroth> Dune 1 is to Dune 2 like what WoW is to WC3 14:19:57 <TrueBrain> LOL! A very ... weird comparison 14:20:12 <TrueBrain> "It is the third real-time strategy game set in the Dune universe" 14:20:13 <Xaroth> and tbh, I prefer Dune 1 over wow. 14:20:28 <Xaroth> yeh, third RTS 14:20:38 <Xaroth> D1 was a turn based puzzle 14:20:45 <TrueBrain> either way, never played it, didn't even knew it existed 14:20:55 <Xaroth> dune 1? 14:20:59 <Xaroth> or emperor 14:21:02 <TrueBrain> try to keep up will you 14:21:29 <Xaroth> Emperor just had 6 sides to pick from 14:21:41 <OwenS> I remember Emperor being advertised quite heavily in C&C: RA and C&C95 IIRC 14:21:47 <Xaroth> Ordos, Harkonen, Atreides, Fremen, Tleilaxu and something 14:22:07 <TrueBrain> I guess I wasn't interested in those games back then :p 14:22:09 <TrueBrain> hehe 14:22:10 <Xaroth> I think it was Ix 14:22:15 <TrueBrain> did play all C&Cs .. 14:22:32 <Xaroth> I played too many games 14:22:53 <TrueBrain> well, not the latest C&C, but it sucks 14:22:57 <TrueBrain> what is it called ... Generals? 14:22:59 <TrueBrain> what ever 14:23:03 <OwenS> Generals is old 14:23:07 <Xaroth> TrueBrain: There's an option to ask policy-related questions about dune on the EA customer support site 14:23:08 <blathijs> TrueBrain: That's not the latest (but it does suck) 14:23:10 <OwenS> RA3 and C&C3 have come out since :p 14:23:11 * Xaroth gives it a roll 14:23:31 <blathijs> it seems the latest (RA3 and C&C3) are ok again 14:23:37 <Xaroth> I still prefer RA2/Tiberian Sun and the earlier 14:23:57 <blathijs> Yeah, those were really good 14:23:57 <TrueBrain> I liked C&C Renegade :) 14:23:58 <OwenS> RA3 has taken RA2's sillyness and turned it up to 11 14:24:02 <OwenS> Renegade is good :) 14:24:11 <OwenS> Best RTS ever was Total Annihilation though IMO :p 14:24:15 <TrueBrain> C&C3 I played on the xbox I think 14:24:17 <Xaroth> TA rocked 14:24:21 <TrueBrain> gave it a big remove after 10 minutes 14:24:31 <Xaroth> but it wouldn't beat Dune 2 if D2 had multiplayer :p 14:24:39 <blathijs> Though it's funny to play the original C&C again and see how they could create a soldier from 7 pixels or something 14:24:42 <TrueBrain> NOTHING beats Dune2 :p 14:24:52 <Xaroth> < TrueBrain> NOTHING beats Dune2 :p << exactly. 14:25:00 <OwenS> Nah it would. Nothing beats throwing hordes of units at each other like you can in TA :p 14:25:03 <blathijs> Though Dune2 could use some control improvements :-p 14:25:14 <Xaroth> who cares, it's Dune 2! 14:25:15 <TrueBrain> it could use a lots of improvements :p 14:25:20 <OwenS> TA actually involves strategy, unlike pretty much the entirety of the RT"S" genre :p 14:25:23 <TrueBrain> nowedays RTSes are more the same 14:25:25 <TrueBrain> there is nothing new .... 14:25:29 <Xaroth> strategy?!? 14:25:36 <Xaroth> TA was just about a big e-peen contest 14:25:41 <Xaroth> with big guns, and who could make most of em 14:25:42 <TrueBrain> just better gfx, and harder-to-get-right-camera-points-shit 14:25:48 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g227069237.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 14:25:57 * Rubidium beats NOTHING 14:26:04 <OwenS> Xaroth: Not really. Our games involved lots of strategic thinking :p 14:26:12 <Xaroth> OwenS: yer doing it wrong. 14:26:26 <Xaroth> Rubidium: not even the monkey? 14:27:05 <OwenS> Xaroth: If TA became a "who can spam most units" contest... you or your oponents sucked :p 14:27:09 <TrueBrain> either way, Xaroth, today I finished resuming and stats collecting .. now I need to make something that analyzes the stats and produces static binaries :p 14:27:34 <Xaroth> heh 14:27:59 <OwenS> Oh great... Faithcats making that horrible noise 14:28:33 *** SirSquidness [~sirsquidn@192.094.dsl.mel.iprimus.net.au] has joined #openttd 14:28:36 <OwenS> The one that generally precedes cleaning up a furball from the carpet 14:34:56 <TrueBrain> it always triggers a reflex by me to pick up the cat and throw him outside 14:34:58 <TrueBrain> works like a charm 14:39:06 <Xaroth> That's why i have a bird :P 14:39:55 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C761.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:40:55 <planetmaker> Rubidium: better now? 14:43:01 <Rubidium> planetmaker: perfect 14:43:10 <planetmaker> :-) 14:43:14 <Rubidium> thanks 14:43:35 <planetmaker> yw. Say thanks also to Ammler and FooBar :-) 14:43:52 <Rubidium> thanks Ammler & FooBar :D 14:44:00 <planetmaker> :-) 14:44:03 <planetmaker> hehe 14:44:09 <Rubidium> how can I upload the release? Or do you have to do that? 14:44:14 *** Elton04650 [~Delphi@201008130076.user.veloxzone.com.br] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:45:40 <dihedral> fucking piece of Zend Framework! 14:45:56 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aefg76.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 14:45:59 <dihedral> giving me a 500 in apache with it's silly rewrite rules 14:46:13 <dihedral> and i have no clues why on earth it is all of a sudden doing silly stuff 14:46:22 <planetmaker> adding it to bundles.openttdcoop.org/opensfx works only with full ssh access - as it is supposed to be the output of the CF ... adding it to the files of a project is available to any project manager. 14:46:28 <dihedral> the rewrite log only shows me THAT it is doing silly stuff 14:47:05 <planetmaker> you see... our CF isn't perfect either :-P 14:53:21 <planetmaker> Rubidium: shall I upload a built of the tag'ed version? 14:55:58 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r17153 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Fix (r11429): don't allow further remapping of already remapped string 14:57:21 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r17154 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Fix (r11129): several times copypasted typo 14:59:27 <Ammler> our CF isn't perfect :-o 14:59:33 <Ammler> :'-( 14:59:43 <Ammler> lol 15:01:50 *** Elton01413 [~Delphi@189.82.118.86] has joined #openttd 15:02:13 * planetmaker hugs Ammler 15:02:26 <planetmaker> now now 15:02:41 <planetmaker> we always need something which we can improve on, hm? Would get boring otherwise... 15:03:13 *** forawhile [~forawhile@210-53.dsl5.guernsey.net] has joined #openttd 15:04:11 <Ammler> we have a bit chaos with all the differen unix users symlinked to each other :-) 15:04:16 <petern> i find "question, hmm?" phrasing really annoying, myself 15:05:01 <planetmaker> anything particular which you try to point at, petern ? 15:05:51 <petern> no, just a random remark 15:06:18 <petern> there was an idiot^W^W a guy on the forums who used that manner recently 15:06:33 <planetmaker> hehe 15:06:52 <petern> when used in a "i know better you" way 15:09:23 *** Elton01413 [~Delphi@189.82.118.86] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:15:19 <TrueBrain> I am bored 15:15:30 <petern> you are truebrain 15:15:40 <TrueBrain> very good 15:15:51 <TrueBrain> the intelligence of that comment amazes me 15:16:38 <Eddi|zuHause> better than if you were borat... 15:16:43 <TrueBrain> NOT! 15:16:53 <Eddi|zuHause> :) 15:17:26 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i have problems getting the images displayed on the forums... 15:17:52 <TrueBrain> disable your image-filter :p 15:18:39 <petern> then you'll see the adverts too 15:19:01 <Eddi|zuHause> i see the advert, but not most of the other images 15:19:08 <Eddi|zuHause> like all the icons or the background 15:20:16 *** Zr40_ is now known as Zr40 15:21:04 <TrueBrain> lol! Poor 'Lord Aro' :p 15:21:11 <TrueBrain> not the smartest person on the forums :p 15:21:54 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm3.epsilon180.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:22:36 <planetmaker> he :-P 15:22:50 <planetmaker> well. I don't think he's stupid. Not yet at least. 15:22:55 <planetmaker> Much to learn he has, though 15:22:57 <TrueBrain> I never said stupid :) 15:23:00 <SmatZ> hehe 15:23:00 <TrueBrain> just not the smartest :) 15:23:05 <Eddi|zuHause> www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/Bildschirmphoto11.png <- that's what the forum looks like to me 15:23:31 <TrueBrain> looks pretty 15:23:39 <SmatZ> bad to be you 15:24:18 <SmatZ> works in my Konqueror (3.5.10) 15:24:18 <TrueBrain> time for Snipes at Z9 :p 15:24:22 <SmatZ> :) 15:26:36 <TrueBrain> okay, M7 :p 15:27:35 <SmatZ> ;) 15:27:38 *** fonsinchen1 [~alve@BAEcf0c.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:27:44 *** Wolle [DrJekyll@p57B0E134.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:33:33 <Eddi|zuHause> it worked in my konqueror 3.5, too... 15:36:00 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 15:38:38 *** Elton06224 [~Delphi@189.82.118.86] has joined #openttd 15:38:42 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause: I had a similar issue with FF some time ago. 15:38:59 <Ammler> the issue was with tt-forums only 15:39:57 <Ammler> it worked again, as I "reseted" the profile 15:41:28 * TrueBrain murmles something about: run virus, run! 15:42:05 <SmatZ> with linux? 15:42:38 <petern> reseted? 15:42:45 <Ammler> :-) sorry 15:43:20 <Ammler> basically a new profile 15:43:51 <Ammler> I shared the profile with windows and linux and the issue was on both 15:44:44 <SmatZ> I am surprised it's possible 15:44:47 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause: try with an other user. 15:44:54 *** Elton06224 [~Delphi@189.82.118.86] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:44:57 * TrueBrain gives Eddi|zuHause a random other user 15:45:19 * SmatZ gives Eddi|zuHause sudo adduser 15:45:52 <Ammler> kde as root is fun :-) 15:48:36 <TrueBrain> weirdo 15:49:05 <thingwath> hm, does someone here use KDE 4.3, compositing kwin, intel 945 and openttd? 15:49:20 <planetmaker> hm... does current kde still have the "bombing" background when loged in as root? 15:49:48 <SmatZ> depends on distro I guess 15:49:58 <planetmaker> that might indeed well be. 15:50:03 <Rubidium> have they still not accepted ln's patch to disallow X to be started as root? 15:50:14 <Rubidium> or KDE for that matter? 15:50:14 <planetmaker> I just find the red default KDE root background unbearable :-P (which comes with suse) 15:50:17 <SmatZ> hehehe 15:50:32 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: that might be the idea 15:50:37 <TrueBrain> a hint like: DO NOT USE IT :p 15:50:42 <planetmaker> TrueBrain: sure, I bet, too 15:50:50 <TrueBrain> (I love taking things serious :)) 15:51:01 <planetmaker> the bombs painted on it, already lit, certainly help that impression :-P 15:51:08 <TrueBrain> ;) 15:51:14 <TrueBrain> poor forum user doesn't like me 15:51:18 <TrueBrain> boo-hoo, and I did so my best! 15:51:23 * planetmaker hugs TrueBrain 15:51:33 <TrueBrain> people just don't want to be loved in the way I only can give them love! 15:51:43 <planetmaker> c'mon, c'mon. There are others who like you... pooor TB... 15:51:52 <TrueBrain> hihi 15:52:10 <TrueBrain> thingwath: were you just wondering so you could check it off your list, or was there a more in-depth question related to it? 15:52:10 <SmatZ> not all are masochists 15:52:26 <TrueBrain> lol @ SmatZ 15:53:37 <TrueBrain> I really pictured thingwath with a big list next to his computer, with all those weird combination of software/hardware he has to find on the web :p 15:53:49 <SmatZ> heheheeh 15:57:22 <thingwath> well, yes, if there were some other people, it could mean that it might be possible to make it work reasonably fast and fluently :) 15:57:35 <planetmaker> lool. I got an offer to use a "Abwrackpr?mie" also for excimer lasers... 15:57:38 <TrueBrain> it doesn't? 15:57:46 <thingwath> sort of 15:58:21 <thingwath> when scrolling, picture falls apart into blocks and it doesn't redraw fast enough 15:58:43 <TrueBrain> using 8bpp-optimized? 15:58:46 <planetmaker> should be an x driver issue 15:59:22 <TrueBrain> sounds more like a SDL issue :p 15:59:31 <TrueBrain> haven't seen that block problem in months :p 15:59:38 <petern> or allegro... 16:00:13 <petern> oh, compositing 16:00:16 <petern> could be anything ;p 16:00:22 <thingwath> of course :) 16:00:29 <thingwath> ltris has same problem, for example 16:00:33 <petern> is it still broken with compositing off? 16:00:59 <thingwath> but without compositing, whole KDE is very sluggish, so I don't want to turn it off :) 16:01:08 <petern> yes, but IS IT 16:01:22 <thingwath> 'broken'? 16:01:34 <petern> 16:58 < thingwath> when scrolling, picture falls apart into blocks and it doesn't redraw fast enough 16:02:53 <thingwath> no, it's ok, without compositing 16:02:58 *** Utvik [~autvik@bjo2-1x-dhcp133.studby.uio.no] has quit [Quit: Utvik] 16:05:56 <thingwath> on the other hand, it is also ok with xmonad & xcompmgr compositing, so I think it might be possible to fix, somehow, with current xorg and drm driver :) 16:07:12 *** Pygmalion [~quassel@88.151.27.234] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:07:14 <petern> so your compositor is shit 16:07:26 <petern> i don't use such crap personally 16:07:51 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 16:08:08 <Ammler> thingwath: it works here with that config 16:09:16 <thingwath> then I'm doing something wrong, I guess 16:09:44 <petern> np: VNV Nation - Schweigeminute 16:10:06 <petern> lovely melodies in this 16:13:01 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 16:13:29 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@host217-42-231-121.range217-42.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:13:52 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@host217-42-231-121.range217-42.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 16:25:42 <OwenS> Random fact: URLs are valid C++/C99 :p 16:31:19 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truebrain * r17155 /extra/website/bananas/views.py: [Website] -Fix: close files when you are done with them 16:32:36 <Rubidium> OwenS: valid in what sense? 16:33:01 <OwenS> Rubidium: It compiles :p 16:33:14 <OwenS> http://www.example.com defines a label "http", then starts a comment :p 16:33:34 <TrueBrain> :( 16:33:45 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fd7b8.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 16:34:26 * OwenS codes up for loop support (I committed if support last night) 16:41:20 <OwenS> I have a feeling people won't initially understand the generated code's structure 16:41:58 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 16:43:48 <Rubidium> OwenS: new://www.example.com isn't allowed :( 16:43:57 <OwenS> lol 16:44:08 <OwenS> It's valid C :P 16:44:51 <Rubidium> goto://www.example.com isn't allowed either :( 16:47:58 <OwenS> Hmm.. What protocols can we come up with that conflict with C(++) keywords? :P 16:48:14 <Rubidium> mailto URLs :) 16:48:20 <Rubidium> A mailto URL takes the form: 16:48:20 <Rubidium> mailto:<rfc822-addr-spec> 16:48:30 <Rubidium> (as per rfc1738) 16:48:38 <Rubidium> it doesn't start a comment 16:48:39 <OwenS> That doesn't conflict with a keyword though :p 16:49:56 <Rubidium> error: stray '@' in program 16:53:11 *** z-MaTRiX [~matrix@index.linuxsecured.net] has joined #openttd 16:53:29 <z-MaTRiX> hey-ho 16:53:41 <SmatZ> hello z-MaTRiX 16:54:36 <z-MaTRiX> how's life? 16:56:00 *** Pygmalion [~quassel@88.151.27.234] has joined #openttd 16:56:23 <Eddi|zuHause> OwenS: maybe you want to build something around this for an ioccc entry... 16:56:51 *** Elton04653 [~Delphi@189.82.146.27] has joined #openttd 16:57:14 <SmatZ> good :) 16:57:23 <OwenS> Someone needs to make an IOC++C 17:01:51 *** xmakina [~xmakina@87.113.19.239.plusnet.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 17:04:14 *** forawhile [~forawhile@210-53.dsl5.guernsey.net] has quit [Quit: forawhile] 17:09:24 <xmakina> TrueBrain: NoAI project site has been down for a while - any idea/reason why? 17:09:55 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.195.67] has joined #openttd 17:11:36 *** Elton04653 [~Delphi@189.82.146.27] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:15:14 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.199.215] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:31:39 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host170-175-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 17:31:54 <Wolf01> hello :D 17:32:37 <Xaroth> hello mr-random-link 17:34:35 <Wolf01> what do you do when you are looking for something and you can't find it? 17:34:45 <TrueBrain> lovely .. the 'I am so good' Apache fucks up more often than lighttpd and nginx 17:35:28 * Wolf01 wants a search function in RL too :( 17:35:42 * TrueBrain gives Wolf01 a RL search function 17:36:38 <Wolf01> mmmh, where is it? I can't find it 17:36:47 <TrueBrain> search for it! 17:36:48 <TrueBrain> DAH! 17:36:54 <Wolf01> doh! 17:36:55 <Rubidium> it's there where you won't find it without using it 17:37:13 <Wolf01> recursive eh 17:37:54 <TrueBrain> hehe, I kind of like Lord Aro :p 17:38:35 *** LaSeandre [~LaSeandre@host86-140-253-237.range86-140.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 17:41:02 <TrueBrain> wb LaSeandre 17:43:09 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:45:27 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r17156 /trunk/src/lang/ (dutch.txt finnish.txt indonesian.txt unfinished/malay.txt): 17:45:27 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:27 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: dutch - 290 changes by miloiw 17:45:27 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: finnish - 38 changes by jpx_ 17:45:27 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: indonesian - 11 changes by fanioz, prof 17:45:29 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: malay - 5 changes by rionix88 17:45:38 <TrueBrain> miloiw is doing a nice job ... 17:46:25 <Rubidium> though.. Jetvliegtuig? 17:46:37 <TrueBrain> not perfect job 17:46:39 <TrueBrain> nice job :p 17:46:48 <TrueBrain> I think nobody can do a perfect job in translating 17:47:03 <petern> i can 17:47:08 <Rubidium> too bad he doesn't the translations :( 17:47:10 <petern> i can translate it perfectly to english 17:47:24 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: but at least he introduces a lot more consistancy :) 17:49:28 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:50:40 <frosch123> "can" is worthless without "do" 17:50:59 <TrueBrain> hehe 17:53:27 <petern> "can" is worthless without "can opener" 17:53:41 <TrueBrain> can can opener? 17:53:50 <TrueBrain> and you claim to be perfect with english? 17:53:52 <TrueBrain> you suck! 17:54:54 * Prof_Frink does the can can 17:55:13 <Prof_Frink> petern: Ring pull. 17:55:54 <petern> that is a "can opener" in that case 17:55:59 <blathijs> Prof_Frink: Isn't the ring a can opener then? 17:56:02 <blathijs> heh :-) 17:56:11 <petern> and if the can contains beer, then that is heresy 17:56:37 <Prof_Frink> Then you need a bottle opener. 17:56:48 <blathijs> To open a can of beer? 17:57:06 <Prof_Frink> Cans of beer are good when wild camping. Much lighter than bottles. 17:57:10 <Prof_Frink> blathijs: No, top 17:57:12 <blathijs> petern: You always open your beer cans with a can opener of the non-ring type? 17:57:30 <blathijs> A top of beer? 17:57:30 <Prof_Frink> blathijs: No, to give the can back and open a bottle of beer. 17:57:35 <Rubidium> a can isn't worthless without "can opener"; you can use it as building brick! 17:57:49 <Prof_Frink> Or it could be open already! 17:57:50 <SpComb> or throw it at bears 17:58:14 <petern> SpComb, stupid 17:59:01 <SpComb> 20:58:44 < tefaj> Stupid questions get stupid answers. 18:07:36 <OwenS> Yay! For loops work! 18:07:57 <TrueBrain> concratz 18:08:31 <OwenS> Of course, currently long for loops generate stacks of text because I checkpoint on each function entry :p 18:13:21 <TrueBrain> on advise of Xaroth, switched noai to mongrel 18:13:25 <TrueBrain> we will see if that runs better/longer 18:21:01 <xmakina> TrueBrain: noai docs is down :S 18:21:17 * xmakina spoke too soon 18:21:27 <TrueBrain> xmakina: yeah, sorry, I made a configuration glitch :) 18:21:34 <xmakina> no worries 18:21:40 <TrueBrain> and I forget every time to test the configuration before publishing it :p 18:21:45 <xmakina> lol 18:22:31 * OwenS wonders why people say writing recursive descent parsers is so hard. Admittedly the binary operators require some... lateral thinking... but the rest is quite easy 18:22:41 <OwenS> (Or perhaps my grammar is just nice :P ) 18:22:51 <TrueBrain> OwenS: it is easy 18:22:55 <TrueBrain> I wouldn't know who says it isn't 18:23:03 <TrueBrain> writing a compiler in general is dead easy 18:23:09 <TrueBrain> just .. a different way of thinking 18:23:18 <petern> descent... now that was a game... 18:23:22 <TrueBrain> making the VM or JIT, that is another story :) 18:23:37 <OwenS> Well... Using LLVM elimitates that bit mostly :p 18:23:42 <TrueBrain> yup :p 18:23:51 <TrueBrain> NAIL produces very fast a complete AST 18:23:55 <TrueBrain> was the easy part :p 18:23:55 <OwenS> libJIT would probably also work and be more lightweight 18:24:44 <TrueBrain> yippie, the proxy seems to do what it should do :) 18:27:24 <TrueBrain> anyone here with a worth-writing-about knowledge of LDAP? :p 18:28:47 <xmakina> probably a dumb question but why is "Many Random Industries" unbuildable in the scenario editor? 18:29:01 <TrueBrain> because you forgot to create the first town? 18:29:11 <xmakina> no - map has plenty of towns 18:30:02 <TrueBrain> blathijs: did you? :) 18:30:45 <Alberth> TrueBrain: you happen to have a type deduction system for expressions with poly-morphism and over-loading that can also handle parse ambiguities lying around? 18:31:05 <TrueBrain> Alberth: no, sorry, I ran all out of them :p 18:31:24 <Alberth> bummer 18:36:30 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-81-109-185-122.hers.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 18:44:31 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.74.135] has joined #openttd 18:44:54 <OwenS> lol. I have a type system, which has 4 possible deductions: Expression is a none, pretty much nothing legal; Expression is an Integer, allow integer ops & implicit float cast; Expression is a float, allow float ops; Expression is something else; allow everything but may abort at runtime :p 18:46:26 <OwenS> Yes it can handle ambigutities... but it handles them as variants and as such they share a variant's cost :p 18:49:50 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C761.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:53:06 <Alberth> Parse ambiguities are much more fun. You have a node in the AST that says "here you can have this sub-tree or that sub-tree, please find out which one is valid" 18:54:43 <Eddi|zuHause> so? you just postpone that until the semantical analysis... 18:56:25 <Eddi|zuHause> C(++) is full of these things ;) 18:57:28 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.74.135] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 19:00:59 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.74.135] has joined #openttd 19:03:31 *** bb10 [~nn@dhcp-077-248-075-030.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 19:07:12 *** Lisby [~l@d40a979c.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #openttd 19:07:29 *** Lisby [~l@d40a979c.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [] 19:08:27 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.195.67] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:08:36 <blathijs> TrueBrain: Are you inviting me to write an LDAP howto, or what? 19:09:16 <TrueBrain> yup :p 19:09:27 <TrueBrain> I remembered you gave me an url a while back 19:09:29 <TrueBrain> forgot about that :p 19:10:26 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 19:11:15 <xmakina> TrueBrain: Might be useful http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LDAP-HOWTO/ 19:11:26 <blathijs> TrueBrain: git.stderr.nl/gitweb 19:11:34 <xmakina> i've tinkered with ldap before - hated every second of it :P 19:11:35 <TrueBrain> blathijs: yeah, as I said, I remembered ;) 19:11:54 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.195.67] has joined #openttd 19:12:04 <blathijs> Ah, I thought you forgot the url :-p 19:12:17 <blathijs> I am still planning to blog about my LDAP setup, but I haven't got around to it yet... 19:14:13 <TrueBrain> as LDAP is just a store device, I wonder if I can get all sites to work with the same password .. 19:15:30 *** Elton07891 [~Delphi@201008130076.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #openttd 19:15:34 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93-80-156-54.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:17:00 <blathijs> TrueBrain: Probably. Using httpd auth should be easy, and most existing webapps have an LDAP auth module or plugin 19:17:53 <TrueBrain> do they share a common password field? 19:19:26 <blathijs> Yeah, passwords are pretty much standardized in the posixAccount object class 19:19:27 *** pavel [~quassel@r2ao16.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 19:20:02 <blathijs> Or rather, authentication can be handled by the LDAP server as well, so the client just tries to "bind" to the LDAP server using a login/password 19:20:17 <TrueBrain> good :) 19:20:49 <blathijs> Authorization (or group memberships) are slightly more involved, but not much 19:21:30 <blathijs> TrueBrain: Perhaps you should write down what you want to do with LDAP exactly? 19:21:44 <TrueBrain> easy: centralize authentication for openttd.org 19:21:54 <TrueBrain> so users signup once, and can access all websites 19:22:07 <blathijs> Mainly regarding the authorization, do you want a group for each service, or one "Devs" group that enables users to do stuff, etc. 19:22:08 <TrueBrain> well .. most likely they have to signup on things like flyspray anyway, but then they share the password :p 19:22:27 *** Elton07891 [~Delphi@201008130076.user.veloxzone.com.br] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:22:29 <TrueBrain> well, a devs group will be useful in regards to ssh access 19:22:44 <blathijs> So no real authorization for most services (just having an account is enough for access) 19:25:22 <TrueBrain> blathijs: yeah 19:25:32 <TrueBrain> I got to go now for a while .. I will check on it next week or so 19:25:48 <Alberth> TrueBrain: bye 19:25:55 <xmakina> later 19:26:10 *** Markk [~markk@rikskriminalen.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:26:14 <TrueBrain> I will bug you later if you don't mind blathijs :) Tnx anyway :) 19:26:20 *** pavel1269 [~quassel@r2ao16.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:27:11 *** Lisby [~l@d40a979c.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #openttd 19:28:07 <blathijs> TrueBrain: Sure, feel free 19:29:03 *** Lisby [~l@d40a979c.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [] 19:29:30 *** Lisby [~l@d40a979c.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #openttd 19:30:38 *** Elton05425 [~Delphi@201008130076.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #openttd 19:32:12 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@frquadrat.de] has quit [Quit: Der Worte sind genug gewechselt, lasst mich auch endlich Taten sehn!] 19:33:11 *** Markk [markk@rikskriminalen.com] has joined #openttd 19:36:00 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i still have a rogue hard disk lying next to my computer... 19:37:06 *** forawhile [~forawhile@210-53.dsl5.guernsey.net] has joined #openttd 19:39:04 *** pavel is now known as pavel1269 19:43:50 *** pavel1269 [~quassel@r2ao16.net.upc.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:44:21 <Wolf01> bye 19:44:25 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host170-175-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 19:46:17 *** Elton05425 [~Delphi@201008130076.user.veloxzone.com.br] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:52:31 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-209-23.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:58:45 *** Elton03979 [~Delphi@201008130076.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #openttd 20:01:54 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@87.115.171.170] has joined #openttd 20:03:33 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:03:55 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 20:07:20 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.74.135] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:10:13 <petern> http://i.zdnet.com/blogs/facebook-fired.jpg 20:10:17 <petern> (probably old) 20:14:13 <glx> ln posted something similar 2/3 days ago :) 20:15:11 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.171.170] has joined #openttd 20:18:57 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g227069237.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 20:19:55 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@87.115.171.170] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:23:15 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.171.170] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:23:49 <_ln> old, older, pasted-by-ln-already 20:24:34 <TrueBrain> why do sites never do what they claim to do :( 20:24:54 <_ln> well you shouldn't believe all those enlargement spams. 20:25:12 <Rubidium> why do webserver never do what they claim to do? 20:25:20 <TrueBrain> that too .. that too ... 20:25:25 <TrueBrain> but we are getting tehre Rubidium :) 20:25:27 <TrueBrain> piece by piece ... 20:25:58 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g227069237.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:25:58 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 20:26:24 <TrueBrain> nothing on tv 20:26:28 <TrueBrain> no good new movie releases 20:26:29 <TrueBrain> no tv series 20:26:31 <TrueBrain> sucks! 20:27:04 <Rubidium> and if there are recent movie releases the quality is CRAP 20:27:14 <Rubidium> either of the movie or of the capturing thereof 20:27:24 <TrueBrain> sorry, with 'release' I meant 720p releases 20:27:45 <Rubidium> tss... pauperkwaliteit ;) 20:27:50 <TrueBrain> hahaha :) 20:27:57 <TrueBrain> I don't have a 1080i TV :p 20:28:16 <Rubidium> neither do I 20:28:30 <OwenS> I don't know what my TV's panel is... but it takes in 1080p feeds =/ 20:28:39 <Rubidium> but I dislike the bilinear scaling on my laptop 20:29:12 <frosch123> true, bicubic is a lot better 20:29:19 <frosch123> :p 20:29:27 <TrueBrain> OwenS: mine does too, but it scales back to 720p, so a waste ofmy bandwidth .. rather: diskspace :p 20:29:46 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: didn't you have spelling correction commit to do? 20:29:47 <Rubidium> still, bicubic is worse than having a (near) native resolution in the movie 20:30:00 <OwenS> Rubidium: Depends how the movie was originally scaled :p 20:30:09 <OwenS> TrueBrain: True; though a 1080p of the same file size as a 720p will look better :p 20:31:05 <Rubidium> OwenS: anything that's not originally shot at Super HiVision quality just plain sucks ;) 20:31:16 <TrueBrain> how big is yours? 20:31:28 <Rubidium> 15.4" 20:31:55 <TrueBrain> http://media.ongein.nl/ONGEIN.NL_10457?source=2009/00036587.jpg <- somehow I don't consider this funny 20:32:09 <OwenS> TV? 37" and I think 1280x768; Monitor: 19" 1280x1024; The TV's scaling alogorithm is such I can't tell 1080p and 720p output from the PS3 apart =/ 20:32:22 <TrueBrain> sure, I was talking about screens 20:32:43 <OwenS> Rubidium: Super HiVision? 20:32:51 <Rubidium> OwenS: never seen that? 20:33:12 <OwenS> Aah that 20:33:15 <Rubidium> or have I typed it incorrectly? 20:33:38 <OwenS> Meh; I take your Super Hi-Vision and raise the quality higher, to about 100,000p24 - 70mm film :p 20:33:50 <Xaroth> [TrueBrain]: on advise of Xaroth, switched noai to mongrel << my advise?!?!? 20:33:57 <Xaroth> i just informed you that apache passenger is a pile of wank :P 20:33:59 <Rubidium> does it have 22.2 sound? 20:34:20 <TrueBrain> he, I give you credit, you don't want it? Sure, i don't care :p 20:34:29 <OwenS> Rubidium: No reason it can't 20:34:39 <Xaroth> heh, if it runs nice, i'll take the credit, else.. :P 20:34:48 <TrueBrain> so far it runs nice :p 20:34:54 <TrueBrain> bypasses Apache 20:34:55 <TrueBrain> so it has to :p 20:35:02 <TrueBrain> and it has 3 instances which need to crash :p 20:35:22 <OwenS> Rubidium: 70mm film just contains a timecode that syncs to external audio; most of the time this is 5.1 DTS Cinema though IIRC 20:35:31 <TrueBrain> too bad it consumes 100 MiB of RAM :( 20:35:39 <TrueBrain> and I already lost 1 instance .. lol 20:35:46 <OwenS> Actually no I think it's 7.1 DTS Cinema now 20:36:34 <Xaroth> TrueBrain: make sure to edit the mongrel_cluster init.d script 20:36:39 <TrueBrain> in what? :p 20:36:48 <Xaroth> the 'default' one just looks for a pid file and aborts if there is one 20:37:14 <Xaroth> so if the OS crashes, it won't automatically restart on reboot 20:37:34 <TrueBrain> the debian-one doesn't appear to do that 20:37:47 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has joined #openttd 20:37:55 <Xaroth> ah, good 20:38:07 <TrueBrain> changed it to running just 1 instance .. 20:38:14 <TrueBrain> using 300 MiB of RAM for NoAI is a tiny bit over the top 20:38:24 <TrueBrain> why does it have to consumes so much memory :( 20:38:30 <TrueBrain> where is the time things were memroy efficient? 20:38:35 <Xaroth> because it's ruby on rails :P 20:38:40 <TrueBrain> bloatware :( 20:38:43 <Xaroth> yep 20:38:51 <TrueBrain> I really really REALLY don't get that shit :( 20:38:59 <Rubidium> there're a few things that seem fairly memory stable 20:39:04 <TrueBrain> what has it stored? The compelte english dictonary in triple? 20:40:05 <OwenS> TrueBrain: That, and a German and Japanese one, and a translation dictionary between them :p 20:40:07 <Rubidium> guess so :( 20:40:15 <TrueBrain> OwenS: we (read: you) should write a script that is better than Python and Ruby (memory and speed-wise) 20:40:30 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-209-23.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:40:47 <OwenS> TrueBrain: I'll try and make AlterScript that :p 20:40:48 <Rubidium> and better than squirrel size/code style wise 20:41:15 <TrueBrain> really, that should be possible ... to not comsume such a large amount of memory for such a relative simple website? 20:41:24 <Xaroth> TrueBrain: quick easy command to check mem usage? 20:41:29 <TrueBrain> top 20:41:34 <TrueBrain> ps aux 20:41:38 <TrueBrain> free 20:41:39 <OwenS> Rubidium: How does the sample at http://gitorious.org/alterscript look? :p 20:41:39 <Eddi|zuHause> OwenS: a german dictionary that contains all possible concatenations ;) 20:41:41 <Xaroth> ps shows 5% on this rig 20:41:50 <TrueBrain> Xaroth: % means nothing ....... 20:41:52 <Xaroth> 5.9% 20:41:53 <TrueBrain> my disk is 90% empty 20:41:59 <TrueBrain> well .. yeah .. if it is 100 MiB disk, that is good for you 20:42:08 <TrueBrain> if it is a 100 TiB disk, that is still a lot in use 20:42:16 <Xaroth> Mem: 775148k total, 583628k used, 191520k free, 222436k buffers 20:42:24 <TrueBrain> there, 600M used 20:42:28 <Rubidium> OwenS: LLVM means it is *big* 20:42:31 <TrueBrain> (Well, depends on your cache to give any sane value :p) 20:42:36 <TrueBrain> Xaroth: ps aux | grep mongrel 20:42:40 <OwenS> Rubidium: I'm gonna add a libjit backend as well I think 20:42:45 <planetmaker> behold. OpenGFX 0.1.0-alpha6 is available as is OpenSFX-0.1.0alpha1 20:42:47 <planetmaker> on bananas now 20:42:49 <Xaroth> www-data 22489 0.0 5.8 62772 45516 ? Sl Aug03 1:56 /usr/bin/ruby1.8 /usr/bin/mongrel_rails start -d -e production -c /var/local/redmine --user www-data --group www-data --prefix /redmine -p 8000 -P tmp/pids/mongrel.8000.pid -l log/mongrel.8000.log 20:43:00 <TrueBrain> 45M, that is smaller than what I have :p 20:43:31 <frosch123> print("Hello, " + who"); <- weird syntax you use 20:43:40 <OwenS> In any case... at least the LLVM code can be discarded when it's running and doesn't need to stay resident 20:43:42 <TrueBrain> " before ) 20:43:44 <TrueBrain> a new rule 20:44:01 <OwenS> frosch123: Oops lol! 20:44:14 <frosch123> oh, i thought it was a postfix string conversion 20:44:17 <Xaroth> TrueBrain: 45m is still a CRAPTON if you realise that mongrel instance probably only gets 1 visitor a week? 20:44:24 <TrueBrain> hahahahaha 20:44:45 <TrueBrain> www-data 11929 0.6 37.9 211312 75932 ? Sl 20:36 0:03 <- 75M 20:44:56 <TrueBrain> (but 40% of the available memory :p) 20:44:58 <OwenS> TrueBrain: How do I get the resident size for a process except for via top? :p 20:45:10 <TrueBrain> ps aux ....... if you would have read :p 20:45:25 <OwenS> TrueBrain: I was hoping for something less "manually parsed" :p 20:45:40 <Xaroth> [OwenS]: TrueBrain: I was hoping for something less "manually parsed" :p << that's why i initially asked TB :P 20:45:50 <TrueBrain> learn to read it ... it will be your good friend 20:46:41 <Rubidium> cut 'n' cat /proc? 20:46:51 <Rubidium> or rather cat proc 'n' cut 20:47:05 <TrueBrain> then you need to know the pid 20:47:10 <TrueBrain> for which you need to do either pid or ps :p 20:47:16 <TrueBrain> pid = top 20:48:04 <TrueBrain> "Diana was still alive hours before she died" <- reading through funny headlines 20:48:24 <OwenS> Rubidium: LLVM may be large... but my resident size is only 6mb for the entire interpreter 20:48:56 <OwenS> Thats smaller than a Python instance :P 20:49:12 <TrueBrain> OwenS: don't even try to compare your language at this point ... lots can change :) 20:49:16 <Eddi|zuHause> TrueBrain: failblog not enough for you? ;) 20:49:18 <TrueBrain> a Python 'instance' contains many loaded objects :p 20:49:20 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: nope :) 20:49:36 <TrueBrain> http://probablybadnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/rapist.jpg <- hahahahaha :) 20:49:53 <OwenS> TrueBrain: Thats a python instance with nothing loaded sitting there :P And yes, lots will change... but LLVM isn't that much overhead compared to an interpreter 20:49:58 <Eddi|zuHause> :) 20:50:39 <Eddi|zuHause> i remember one time when jay leno made "headlines", he hold up a newspaper add with a search for someone, and the picture looked a lot like jay leno ;) 20:52:06 <TrueBrain> OwenS: for all we know, you only use 1% of the LLVM functions you will be using at the end :) 20:52:22 <TrueBrain> so I really do hope for you it is a low overhead :) 20:52:31 <TrueBrain> but .. I dunno .. LLVM sounds BIG :p 20:52:36 <TrueBrain> but in all fairness .. never installed it :p 20:52:51 <OwenS> TrueBrain: Well... I'm using all the libs I'll be using at the end, except perhaps the bitcode writer (for saving optimized objects) 20:53:02 <TrueBrain> using libs != using functions :) 20:53:04 <TrueBrain> linkers are smart ;) 20:53:47 <OwenS> TrueBrain: Not at getting rid of bits of LLVM's codegen :p 20:53:54 <OwenS> Well, JIT I should say 20:54:20 <TrueBrain> okay, now it is fair to say: Lord Aro is stupid :p 20:54:28 <TrueBrain> well . stupid .. very lazy 20:55:48 <OwenS> Muhahaha! I just managed to lose a friend in TVTropes :P 20:55:59 <TrueBrain> TVTropes? 20:56:37 <OwenS> www.tvtropes.org - be warned, it's like internet crack :p 20:56:51 <frosch123> night 20:56:54 <TrueBrain> night frosch123 20:56:54 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fd7b8.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:56:58 <TrueBrain> ha, I was in time :) WHOHO! 20:57:04 <SmatZ> gratz! 20:57:08 <Rubidium> there goes WT 3.1. :( 20:57:12 <TrueBrain> haha 20:57:15 <TrueBrain> was it ever to be finished? 20:57:17 <TrueBrain> doh :p 20:57:26 <OwenS> To quote XKCD: "It's like rickrolling, but you're trapped all day." http://www.xkcd.com/609/ 20:57:39 <TrueBrain> I think it is me .. but I don't get the website :p 20:58:04 *** Lakie` [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 20:58:07 <OwenS> TVTropes has a habit of getting stuff traveling down my pipe... 20:58:14 <TrueBrain> ieuw 20:59:31 *** bb10 [~nn@dhcp-077-248-075-030.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:00:02 <OwenS> TVTropes doesn't cause me tab explosions... just tabs that don't go away :p 21:01:14 <TrueBrain> sometimes I just don't get xkcd .. 21:01:49 <Eddi|zuHause> i didn't get that one either... 21:02:12 <OwenS> (I open it to close it, see something interesting, go "ooo", and... it stays there. And before you say "Get a browser which lets you close tabs without opening them"... My Opera tabs are at this point about 24px wide and if they had close buttons would lack room for the identifying favicon) 21:03:01 <Eddi|zuHause> i never use tabs... 21:03:16 <TrueBrain> http://www.xkcd.com/618/ <- I don't get it 21:03:19 <OwenS> 37 tabs open ATM 21:03:22 <TrueBrain> maybe I just don't have a sense of humor 21:03:44 <Eddi|zuHause> TrueBrain: you don't know the little prince? 21:03:54 <TrueBrain> I guess not 21:04:37 <Eddi|zuHause> the story with the snake who swallowed an elephant? 21:04:52 <TrueBrain> nope 21:04:55 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:05:07 <Eddi|zuHause> i guess you seriously missed something then ;) 21:05:18 <TrueBrain> yup 21:06:19 <TrueBrain> why do insects always join me in my room 21:06:21 <TrueBrain> I didn't ask for that :( 21:06:26 <TrueBrain> I don't want them here! 21:06:47 <Eddi|zuHause> two solutions for that: 1) close the windows, 2) shut off the light 21:06:58 <Nite_Owl> they either like you or are hungry 21:07:08 <Alberth> just like you, they know where the food is good. 21:07:09 <OwenS> 3) Get a window with a ventilate setting 21:07:11 <TrueBrain> they can't see the light from outside!! 21:07:26 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:07:35 <TrueBrain> famous last words 21:07:37 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: they can smell you sweet blood 21:08:20 <Eddi|zuHause> http://probablybadnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/incest.jpg <- or you need this ;) 21:08:35 <OwenS> I don't know whether to click that link or not 21:08:37 <TrueBrain> always wanted something against incest :p 21:08:53 <Eddi|zuHause> OwenS: it is sfw ;) 21:09:05 <TrueBrain> boss-safe 21:09:06 *** Yexo [~Yexo@ip51cca4b5.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 21:09:09 <TrueBrain> Yexo!!! 21:09:17 <OwenS> Mmh 21:09:31 <Yexo> hello TrueBrain :) 21:09:32 <TrueBrain> whoho, Malay did one more translation .. just 2199 to go 21:09:48 <OwenS> I suppose it's just the quantity of people trying to get me with goatse-style stuff :p 21:10:03 <TrueBrain> goatse.cx is down :( 21:10:18 <OwenS> goatse.cz works apparently 21:10:55 <TrueBrain> .fr too 21:11:12 <OwenS> Hmm no... telnet test indicates it's now sedoparked =( 21:12:12 <TrueBrain> .fr has the image :p 21:12:48 <OwenS> goatse.fr. 10734 IN SOA a.dns.gandi.net. hostmaster.gandi.net. 1235316348 10800 3600 604800 10800 21:12:51 <OwenS> I find that quite humorous :p 21:12:52 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not sure why you really check that :p 21:13:03 <TrueBrain> I used google, and clicked on it .. 21:13:05 <TrueBrain> happens 21:13:14 <Eddi|zuHause> OwenS: they misspelled ghandi 21:13:23 <SmatZ> Akoz: where are you getting back? 21:13:27 <SmatZ> *when 21:13:35 <OwenS> Also... They appear to be running DJBDNS 21:13:56 <TrueBrain> archive.org has goatse.cx! :p 21:13:57 <Rubidium> SmatZ: that's simple to answer: when you went to bed :) 21:13:59 <Eddi|zuHause> OwenS: i have not the slightest idea what that means 21:14:07 <OwenS> DJB's DNS server :p 21:14:16 <SmatZ> hehe :) 21:14:21 <Eddi|zuHause> oh. that makes it more clear. certainly 21:14:22 <TrueBrain> openttd.org is not in archive.org since 2007 ... 21:14:33 <OwenS> TrueBrain: Banned by Robots? :p 21:14:38 <SmatZ> :( 21:14:42 <TrueBrain> not that I know of 21:14:55 <TrueBrain> no robots.txt 21:15:04 <SmatZ> seems so 21:15:39 <TrueBrain> archive.org is SLLOOOWWWWwww 21:15:50 <Akoz> smatz: saturday or monday. not sure yet 21:15:59 <SmatZ> Akoz: ah, enjoy :) 21:16:09 <Akoz> btw I dont have any alerts on ppl writing my nick in this channel, so give me a pm if you want my attention please :) 21:16:14 <OwenS> TrueBrain: Loads quite fast here. Which is surprising! 21:16:28 <OwenS> Hehe I remember that OpenTTD theme 21:16:40 <TrueBrain> but okay ... no indication why it doesn't index openttd.org anymore :p 21:16:44 <TrueBrain> maybe nobody visited or something 21:17:29 <OwenS> Out of curiosity, hows the text wrapped in the "OpenTTD is an open source clone of Transport Tycoon Delux" bit on the current main page - could do with some right padding for me cause it runs right into the icons 21:17:39 <OwenS> (As in, they're almost touching) 21:17:56 <Akoz> smatz: is there any chance it will make it into trunk? if not I will not bother work more on it regardless :p 21:18:06 <TrueBrain> OwenS: I only know it took me ages to get it like this 21:18:22 <TrueBrain> only Opera fails to render it correctly 21:18:25 <TrueBrain> so I said: fuck Opera 21:18:25 <OwenS> Also... the subtitles under "Download OpenTTD" and such overlay the text 21:18:36 <TrueBrain> even IE5.5 renders it correct ... makes you wonder :p 21:19:12 <OwenS> I have no trouble getting stuff to work in Opera... 21:19:34 <TrueBrain> Opera only: no 21:19:40 <TrueBrain> for all browsers, it is slightly harder :p 21:19:50 <OwenS> I tend to develop in Opera though, so :p 21:19:53 <TrueBrain> and if 1 browser fucks up a CSS1 website, I say: fuck that browser 21:20:26 <OwenS> Interestingly, a design I just made worked first time in Opera, Firefox, Konqueror, Webkit, IE7 and IE6 (Except for the alpha PNGs)... I was quite amazed! 21:21:26 <TrueBrain> it is btw the only thing that fucks up on any browser 21:21:36 <TrueBrain> yeah, default Debian install doesn't have the right font, so the menu fucks up slightly 21:21:59 <TrueBrain> the rest it is identical on all browser (if I can believe what was that site again .. 21:22:01 <OwenS> Which font? Cause I stole a bunch of fonts from my Windows install :p 21:22:10 <TrueBrain> browsershot.org I believe :p 21:22:27 <TrueBrain> oh, a default webfont 21:22:36 <TrueBrain> "Trebuchet MS" 21:24:01 <TrueBrain> I guess it is not 'free' enough for Debian or what ever 21:24:15 <OwenS> Trebecuchet MS isn't open source by any definition 21:24:23 <OwenS> To reproduce it you have to keep it in it's .exe 21:24:24 <TrueBrain> browsershot.org is getting worce by the month ... pages that don't load .. shit like that 21:24:35 <OwenS> It's browsershots.org ;P 21:25:02 <TrueBrain> http://browsershots.org/http://www.openttd.org/en/ 21:25:03 <TrueBrain> that one :p 21:25:14 <TrueBrain> Dillo fails to follow CSS1 :p 21:26:51 <Eddi|zuHause> that page opens with an error "jCarousel: No width/height set for items. This will cause an infinite loop. Aborting..." 21:27:01 <TrueBrain> lol 21:27:05 <OwenS> Whoa... My contend degrades *perfectly* in dillo except for the fact that my credit image is white on white :p 21:28:18 <Eddi|zuHause> (using konqueror 4) 21:28:37 <OwenS> I must complain that Browsershots doesn't wait for the page to load -_- 21:28:51 <TrueBrain> that I just said .. didn't I? :p 21:29:11 <OwenS> Oh thats what you meant by that :p 21:29:32 *** Lisby [~l@d40a979c.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [] 21:29:52 <TrueBrain> dillo is fast 21:29:57 <TrueBrain> just really doesn't know CSS1 :p 21:30:36 <Ammler> dillo? 21:30:38 <OwenS> I'm glad I went for the white text with black outline for the header... It degrades perfectly :p 21:30:42 <TrueBrain> a dildo, but for the web 21:30:54 <Ammler> I just thought it :-D 21:31:02 <TrueBrain> I noticed that you did, so I thought I would help you out 21:31:16 <Ammler> that is real geeky 21:32:04 <TrueBrain> it always makes me happy to see so many browsers rendering the website identical :) 21:32:05 <OwenS> Dillo 2.1.1 does CSS =/ 21:32:05 <TrueBrain> hmm :) 21:32:23 <OwenS> partially :p 21:32:31 <TrueBrain> I clearly said CSS1 all the time :) 21:32:33 <TrueBrain> for good reason :) 21:32:38 <OwenS> background-color and text-align seem to the only supported elements :p 21:33:19 <TrueBrain> well, openttd.org renders perfectly on non-CSS browsers too :) 21:33:36 <Eddi|zuHause> # if i had a million dollars 21:33:57 <OwenS> Haha! Browsershots windows system seems to be showing german pagefile notices :p 21:34:03 <Nite_Owl> if I had a hammer... 21:34:13 <_ln> Eddi|zuHause: if zimbabwean dollars are ok, then... 21:34:35 <Eddi|zuHause> _ln: the US Dollar is on the best way to getting there, too ;) 21:34:55 <TrueBrain> OwenS: if you now check the page, you see Opera is the only one who really fucks up :p 21:35:23 <TrueBrain> http://api.browsershots.org/png/original/b6/b691c19e1a0c925acd7495c96fe7c902.png <- euh ... I think browsershots needs to rethink their method 21:35:43 <OwenS> lol 21:36:30 <TrueBrain> and I want to underline we do CSS1 only! (well, a small snippet of CSS2, but okay) 21:36:36 <TrueBrain> yet .. Opera completely fails 21:36:39 <TrueBrain> so I say again: OPERA SUCKS 21:36:56 <OwenS> Only error I see in Opera is the top text 21:37:16 <TrueBrain> http://api.browsershots.org/png/original/15/15c4390c21795c6ef7a1ea1aa532edda.png 21:37:19 <TrueBrain> I have no idea what went wrong 21:37:53 <OwenS> Looks like their connection dropped 21:37:59 <TrueBrain> in the middle of a CSS? 21:38:08 <OwenS> Apparently 21:38:33 <TrueBrain> cool even Flock renders the site correct (What ever Flock is) 21:38:42 <OwenS> Gecko :p 21:38:55 <TrueBrain> http://api.browsershots.org/png/original/a7/a7a4b80326939c7cb96c7ff41141ec57.png <- first opera which DOES the header correct 21:39:07 <TrueBrain> Opera 8! \o/ 21:39:19 <OwenS> Opera 8 is oold... 21:39:27 <TrueBrain> yeah .. my point ... 21:39:53 <TrueBrain> how can it be that an old version renders the CSS1 correct, and the newer versions fuck up? 21:40:40 <OwenS> That Avast warning sucks :p 21:41:07 <TrueBrain> Avant renders it correct! \o/ 21:41:23 <TrueBrain> Kazehakase too 21:41:28 <TrueBrain> (what ever that is) 21:41:39 <TrueBrain> K-Meleon .. 21:41:44 <TrueBrain> really .. who comes up with those names? 21:44:47 *** CACD [50cb3685@widget.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 21:44:58 <TrueBrain> welcome CACD 21:45:08 <CACD> Hi! Is there a town vector for temperate which adds additional growth factors? 21:46:57 <Ammler> what is that dildo browser based on? 21:47:09 <TrueBrain> Ammler: www.google.com -> dillo 21:47:11 <TrueBrain> try it 21:47:15 <OwenS> Ammler: Dillo is a custom engine 21:47:34 <Ammler> TrueBrain: then I wouldn't ask here :-P 21:47:42 <TrueBrain> oh, you catched on on that? 21:48:10 <TrueBrain> hihi :) 21:48:12 * TrueBrain hugs Ammler 21:48:51 <Eddi|zuHause> why do the best songs have no text that you can quote in a chat? 21:49:00 <TrueBrain> CACD: I think nobody is awake who can answer your question; maybe try the forums? 21:49:05 <TrueBrain> # FUCK YOU!!! 21:49:09 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: I have no problems quoting it :) 21:49:19 <TrueBrain> I love that song :) 21:49:22 <Eddi|zuHause> TrueBrain: well, that is a text ;) 21:49:23 <TrueBrain> # fuck you very very much... 21:49:30 <Eddi|zuHause> and yes, the song is great, too ;) 21:49:56 <TrueBrain> I just hope CACD didn't think it was for him .. I hope he knows what the # means :s) 21:50:07 <Eddi|zuHause> but Howard Shore - The Forbidden Pool does not have any text ;) 21:50:24 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: easy solution: 21:50:34 <TrueBrain> PAM PAM PAM PAMPA PAM PA PAPAM 21:50:41 <TrueBrain> PAM PAM PAMMDEDAM DA DA DAM DA DA DAM 21:50:44 <Eddi|zuHause> and damn you, now i have to listen to lily allen ;) 21:50:48 <CACD> I don't know what # means... still I didn't think it was directed at me 21:50:49 <TrueBrain> hihi :) 21:50:58 <TrueBrain> CACD: pfew ;) I was singing 21:51:05 <TrueBrain> not the best thing to withness, but ithappens 21:51:30 <OwenS> Note to self: Never be heard singing Komm, Suser Tod to one's self 21:51:49 <Eddi|zuHause> did you mean "s?ss"? 21:51:58 <TrueBrain> Note to self: never make notes to self in public channels 21:51:59 <TrueBrain> DOH! 21:52:00 <OwenS> Eddi|zuHause: yes. I lack such accents :p 21:52:15 <Eddi|zuHause> OwenS: there's a rule for that 21:52:24 <TrueBrain> Xaroth: found inspiration? 21:52:30 <Eddi|zuHause> OwenS: replace "?" with "ue" and "ss" with "ss" 21:52:45 <Xaroth> TrueBrain: nope, server issue that needs tending first 21:52:47 <_ln> OwenS: fortunately, ? is not an accent. 21:52:53 <TrueBrain> Xaroth: sucks 21:53:02 <OwenS> # "So with sadness in my heart / I feel the best thing I could do / is end it all / and leave forever" 21:53:04 *** Pygmalion [~quassel@88.151.27.234] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:53:26 <OwenS> Eddi|zuHause: Actually, thats how it's labeled in my collection. Doh! :p 21:53:51 <TrueBrain> bad label! :p 21:54:12 <OwenS> No, the label is correct :p 21:54:23 <Eddi|zuHause> OwenS: the german spelling rules are quite strict on this ;) 21:54:42 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: no, they should listen to the label of OwenS! 21:55:01 <Eddi|zuHause> because everything else would cause problematic ambiguousities (?) 21:55:32 <OwenS> That song just added to the epic mindscrew (of pneumatic drill proportions) that was the movie it was in... 21:55:47 *** CACD [50cb3685@widget.mibbit.com] has left #openttd [] 21:55:54 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't know the song... 21:56:00 <TrueBrain> now I have to listen Damien Rice ... 21:56:20 <Eddi|zuHause> listen to christina aguilera instead 21:56:35 <OwenS> From the End of Evangelion OST. In spite of the name... It was composed in Japan and sung in English :p 21:57:00 <Yexo> good night 21:57:03 *** Yexo [~Yexo@ip51cca4b5.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Quit: bye] 21:57:07 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has quit [] 21:57:07 <TrueBrain> bah .. too late :( 21:57:13 <Eddi|zuHause> OwenS: that's no reason to misspell it 21:57:36 <OwenS> Eddi|zuHause: As I said, the mis-spelling was all my fault. I've never been taught german :p 21:57:47 <TrueBrain> then why do you say the label is correct :( 21:57:51 <Eddi|zuHause> OwenS: but you get bonus points for not trying to simulate an "ss" by writing "B" 21:58:39 <OwenS> OK.. time to put on a track with less depressing lyrics :p 21:58:55 <Eddi|zuHause> believe me, people did that. and it took five guys to decipher what the person meant... 21:59:03 <OwenS> lol 21:59:23 <TrueBrain> those german people are not the smartest, are they :p 21:59:55 <Eddi|zuHause> honestly... nobody was expecting that... 22:00:09 <TrueBrain> even the most unreadable stuff I can read by just looking at it without reading 22:00:19 <TrueBrain> mostly because in reality your brain never reads the letters individual 22:00:28 <TrueBrain> but it just makes something out of how it looks/acts 22:01:07 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, and when it looks like a "B" in the middle of the word, your brain stops parsing... 22:01:08 *** Pygmalion [~quassel@88.151.27.234] has joined #openttd 22:01:14 <TrueBrain> OwenS: Opera 9.27 renders the site also correct! :p 22:01:22 <TrueBrain> then you don't read enough crap :) 22:01:33 <TrueBrain> http://api.browsershots.org/png/original/e2/e20009d2ec51c659f8e43d603e1354f4.png 22:01:38 <Eddi|zuHause> and then you read "GruB", and that totally alters the meaning ;) 22:02:00 <TrueBrain> today my roommate wrote something on the board 22:02:03 <TrueBrain> it could have been arabic 22:02:07 <OwenS> One Of The Most Annoying Things People Do All The Fucking Time Is Type Like This, Which Makes My Mental Voice Talk Like William Shatner 22:02:16 <Eddi|zuHause> TrueBrain: solution, read it backwards ;) 22:02:24 <TrueBrain> no, it was like: ------- 22:02:30 <TrueBrain> with slight variation in up and down 22:02:46 <OwenS> TrueBrain: Seismograph? :p 22:02:56 <TrueBrain> still I could read it without too much effort :p 22:03:13 <Eddi|zuHause> but honestly, when your brain translates the writing to "grub", it could mean anything... 22:03:16 <TrueBrain> waiting 30 minutes to get this: http://api.browsershots.org/png/original/32/32d11a4efaa40c38df78753e09152422.png 22:03:32 <Eddi|zuHause> but you never get the idea that he could have meant "Gruss" 22:04:00 <OwenS> That sounds kinda like what happened to me when I did my second 2 hour writing exam (After 2 hours of writing in the morning), then did 1/2 the paper in 2/3 the time.. Then had to rush through the second half 22:04:51 <OwenS> It wouldn't have been so bad if the f*cking examiner hadn't forgotten to refer the paper properly... Causing me to drop 2 grades for 3 months -_- 22:05:34 <OwenS> It also wouldn't have been so bad if someone at the exam board had gone "Hey, this guy got an A in English Lit and a D in English Lang... anyone find this a bit odd?" 22:06:20 <TrueBrain> http://browsershots.org/http://www.openttd.org/en/ <- all small openttd.org websites smiling at you :) Hihi :) 22:09:17 <thingwath> http://api.browsershots.org/png/original/b6/b691c19e1a0c925acd7495c96fe7c902.png 22:09:22 <thingwath> superior technology, really :) 22:11:39 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... they're announcing to show harpers island in germany already... 22:11:41 <Eddi|zuHause> that was fast... 22:12:05 <Nite_Owl> it sucked 22:12:15 <Eddi|zuHause> i liked it... 22:12:27 <Eddi|zuHause> even though horror/thriller is not really my genre ;) 22:13:02 <Rubidium> isn't that a "Killerfernsehprogram"? 22:13:19 <Rubidium> shouldn't the German government forbid it? 22:13:22 <Eddi|zuHause> sure... but tv is not The Great Evil anymore :p 22:13:37 <TrueBrain> Internet on the other hand ... 22:14:01 <Eddi|zuHause> and: "Programm" ;) 22:14:35 <Eddi|zuHause> and shows like that are usually cut on tv 22:14:37 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:14:50 <OwenS> Isn't German censorship the reason Austrian web game stores are more popular than would be predicted given the size of the population? :p 22:15:02 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 22:15:03 <Eddi|zuHause> yes ;) 22:15:28 <Eddi|zuHause> and some austrian web shops have been legally threatened ;) 22:15:59 <OwenS> For allowing people to import them? Is personal import not legal? :p 22:16:25 <TrueBrain> I get my CDs from Germany, because then I don't have to pay a stupid tax over it 22:16:36 <Eddi|zuHause> not the import is the problem. the advertising for indexed games 22:16:36 <TrueBrain> they try to sue the German companies; they failed 22:17:13 *** Lakie` is now known as Lakie 22:17:58 <Eddi|zuHause> OwenS: when the website advertises indexed games/shows indexed pictures, the websites themselves get indexed. 22:18:12 <Eddi|zuHause> where "index" is the "censorship list" 22:18:31 <Eddi|zuHause> then they must implement a block for german people... 22:18:45 <TrueBrain> and if they don't? :) 22:18:48 <Eddi|zuHause> or an age verification 22:19:01 <Eddi|zuHause> TrueBrain: i'm not sure ;) 22:19:21 *** forawhile [~forawhile@210-53.dsl5.guernsey.net] has quit [Quit: forawhile] 22:19:22 <TrueBrain> I mean .. I want to see that .. Germans forcing, say, Russia to block certain IPs :p 22:20:02 <OwenS> I wonder... is it legal for me to sell the DVDs unrated by the BBFC I have (American imports) that are in my personal collection? Shops are unable to sell something they haven't rated... but private persons? 22:20:08 <Rubidium> BREIN v. TPB? 22:20:16 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: like ever 22:21:00 <Eddi|zuHause> TrueBrain: but given the recent development of an internet censoring system through dns blocks ("only" for "child pornography"), there are loud voices that want this system to be used vor "violence", "hate", "holocaust denial", "anticonstitutional propaganda", "killer games", ... 22:21:16 <TrueBrain> the end of the free world 22:21:27 <TrueBrain> the reason they should never have started with such 'filters' in the first place 22:21:31 <TrueBrain> Who is watching the watchers? 22:21:31 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: the one with the deepest pockets usually wins, in this case I reckon the pockets of the German government are way bigger than those of the Austrian web companies 22:21:49 <OwenS> "I may not agree with what you say, but I will fight to the death for your right to say it" 22:21:59 <OwenS> is a quote I like 22:22:14 <TrueBrain> well, I give it 2 to 3 more years .. I think by then 'free speech' is no more on the Internet 22:22:19 <Eddi|zuHause> OwenS: apparently, german politicians have never heard it. 22:22:37 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DEA4D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Raubgut ist vom Umtausch ausgeschlossen!] 22:22:40 <TrueBrain> when you say in a chatroom: I WANT TO KILL THAT ..... 22:22:45 <TrueBrain> you get arrested for that in the next hour 22:22:50 <TrueBrain> wait, my doorbell rings, one moment 22:22:53 <OwenS> lol 22:23:02 <petern> MOTHERFUCKER 22:23:13 <OwenS> Then again I feel that the ECHR should be extended to require full freedom of speech :p 22:23:22 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: schaterlach? 22:24:10 <Eddi|zuHause> TrueBrain: the sad thing about the whole "killer game" debate is, because of "youth protection" reasons, adult people are turned into criminals for playing them 22:24:37 <Eddi|zuHause> not speaking about producing them... 22:24:48 <Eddi|zuHause> there was a game company raided by the police already... 22:24:52 <Rubidium> reminds me of http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/06/03/bofh_2005_episode_18/ though 22:24:57 <TrueBrain> I have to say, that what was the name of that game .... 22:24:59 <OwenS> I find it interesting how it's such a big debate in both the US and Germany, but here in the UK you rarely hear it and were generally a cultural melting pot between the US and continental Europe... 22:25:06 <TrueBrain> something with an M .. number 2 .. 22:25:08 <TrueBrain> brutal game 22:25:09 <TrueBrain> grr 22:25:16 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:25:22 <OwenS> TrueBrain: Manhunt 22:25:24 <OwenS> By Rockstar 22:25:30 <TrueBrain> yeah! That that game is not allowed in most sane countries 22:25:32 <TrueBrain> that I can understand 22:25:35 <TrueBrain> that game is really sick! 22:25:40 <OwenS> It's allowed in the UK; rated 18 22:25:43 <TrueBrain> of course dutch laws can't prevent a game from being released ....... 22:26:04 <OwenS> The BBFC have never permanently banned a video game IIRC 22:26:34 <OwenS> They've never classified one R18 ("For sale at registered sex shops only") either 22:26:39 <Rubidium> OwenS: I reckon no-one did shoot half a class and then him/herself at school lately in the UK 22:27:05 <Rubidium> although I wonder whether 'killer games' have an influence on toddlers and the like 22:27:14 <Xaroth> It's still funny that at ever shooting they claim whoever did it was playing violent games like counter strike 22:27:55 <Eddi|zuHause> Xaroth: it's the "98% of terrorists eat bread and drink water 24h before a bombing" 22:28:17 <Xaroth> yep 22:28:23 <Eddi|zuHause> likewise, 98% of youths have a FPS game on their computer... 22:28:48 <TrueBrain> Xaroth: well, it is safe to say someone played CS in its life if his age is < 25 22:28:57 <TrueBrain> they are just stating facts :) 22:29:11 <OwenS> Rubidium: No. In a recent murder trial someone tried to use the argument that "the killer played Manhunt" to get Manhunt banned. The killer never played Manhunt - the victim did :p 22:29:27 <OwenS> TrueBrain: If their age is < 25 and they are male :p 22:29:37 <TrueBrain> even the 'male' part is debatable :) 22:29:55 <Xaroth> lol TrueBrain: RTL7 is messed up atm 22:30:00 <Xaroth> they are fast forwarding through commercials 22:30:04 <TrueBrain> can't be bothered to turn it on 22:30:11 <TrueBrain> although that might be funny :p 22:30:21 <Xaroth> they just showed around 20 commercials in.. 30 seconds? 22:30:29 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DEA4D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:30:29 <Rubidium> OwenS: doesn't matter; obviosuly if the victim didn't play Manhunt he wouldn't be killed 22:30:32 <TrueBrain> too late :( 22:30:35 <Xaroth> ye 22:30:46 <TrueBrain> but why are you watching this porno movie? 22:30:48 <OwenS> Rubidium: It was too late for that argument. The papers had already ridiculed them :p 22:30:51 <OwenS> Funny how in the US recently Lawyer Jack "All FPS games are murder simulators!" Thompson was permanently disbarred 22:31:01 <Xaroth> it's pr0n! 22:31:03 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-81-109-185-122.hers.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: Tsch?ss] 22:31:19 <TrueBrain> I remember the incident around Mass Effect 22:31:28 <TrueBrain> THERE IS PORNO IN IT! claimed a few people who never played the game 22:31:29 <OwenS> Isn't that the one where he defended the game? :p 22:31:31 *** TheMask96 [~martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 22:31:33 <Eddi|zuHause> RTLx with x>3 is an encrypted channel over here... 22:31:35 <TrueBrain> well .. I wouldn't call it porno what happened there ... 22:31:46 <Eddi|zuHause> TrueBrain: gymnastics ;) 22:32:04 <TrueBrain> you saw a scene which might made you to believe something was going to happen between 2 females 22:32:22 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C761.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:32:23 <TrueBrain> later on the person who screamed this relaly hard crawled back in her hole .. but most of the damage was done 22:32:38 <TrueBrain> because of 1 scene which gives a suggestion you can land in the news as BAD!!!! 22:32:40 <TrueBrain> :s 22:32:52 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 22:33:01 <OwenS> I should produce a game I've had in my head for a while... Then, when all the complaints about the implied sex come in, retort: "You're complaining about implied sex WHEN THE MAIN CHARACTER FREAKING KILLS ABOUT 100 PEOPLE" 22:33:27 <Eddi|zuHause> hey... Nite_Owl skipped the "need to feed" part ;) 22:33:37 <TrueBrain> lol, you noticed too? :) 22:33:39 <OwenS> 100 pretty much innocent people at that :p 22:33:49 <TrueBrain> I am always amuzed by my roommates 22:33:54 <TrueBrain> they watch a movie, and start to comment on the stuppiest things 22:34:04 <TrueBrain> XMen last time .. HE! THAT IS NOT POSSIBLE 22:34:13 <TrueBrain> wtf? You are watching a movie about a guy which has bones of some kind of metal 22:34:17 <TrueBrain> and you complain a small detai lis not possible?! 22:34:24 <OwenS> lol 22:35:14 <Eddi|zuHause> like in TBBT, where they discuss superman, supposed he could fly, catching lois lane would cut her in 3 parts? 22:35:46 <OwenS> Most people complain if Me and a friend of mine watch a movie. Me: "Why is that German soldier carrying an M16? The Germans don't use M16s, they use G36s!" Him: [On a WWII film] "Why is that tank there? It's a model from the 1950s and never participated in WWII" 22:35:53 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: briliant BOFH :) 22:35:56 <TrueBrain> (bit slow, I know) 22:36:09 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: StarTrek has that error 22:36:33 <Eddi|zuHause> star trek is full of errors ;) 22:36:42 * Rubidium wonders why so many of the perpetrators of those massacres have met with a psychatrist/psychologist over an extended period of time. Maybe we should ban those too! 22:36:48 <TrueBrain> but this is a very poor one .. one of the earliest, Spock catches Kirk or who was it 22:36:49 <Eddi|zuHause> could you specify? :p 22:36:52 <TrueBrain> while he was falling 22:37:14 <Eddi|zuHause> oh... that was 5, i think 22:37:17 <TrueBrain> OwenS: I would hit you in the face :p 22:38:09 <OwenS> I like the Voyager episode where they say they're 100,000km from a 1.5ly obstacle, and put it on screen. 1.5ly from 100,000km... Do they have any idea of the scale difference? Is the camera lens they're using 179.999 degrees or something?! 22:38:58 <OwenS> Like in the intro where they show it flying over the rings of a planet... and the reflection indicates that the ship is several hundred km across... 22:39:23 <Eddi|zuHause> OwenS: for your own sake, i would stop talking :p 22:39:27 <TrueBrain> OwenS: wide-lens? I don't see the problem :) 22:39:47 <OwenS> TrueBrain: Wheres the fisheye effect? ;-) 22:39:54 <TrueBrain> but okay, you have understood it wrong 22:39:58 <TrueBrain> they left a probe far far away 22:40:01 <TrueBrain> which was making the image 22:40:26 <Rubidium> OwenS: Data un-fish-eyed it! 22:40:26 <OwenS> And they "Reversed the polarity of the deflector dish" to amplify the signal to get it far enough :p 22:40:39 <OwenS> Rubidium: Voyager doesn't have Data. Seven maybe though :p 22:41:04 <TrueBrain> but okay .. ST is full of glitches 22:41:15 <TrueBrain> some are only more funny than others 22:41:28 <Rubidium> name me 1 sci-fi-ish movie that isn't full of glitches 22:41:36 <OwenS> Rubidium: Firefly, Serenity 22:41:37 <TrueBrain> Doctor Who! 22:41:49 <TrueBrain> OwenS: movie he said, so Serenity :p 22:41:51 <TrueBrain> not Fire 22:41:53 <TrueBrain> not Firefly :p 22:41:55 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83F38.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:42:00 <OwenS> They have some glitches, but mainly they're fine 22:42:20 <Aali> voyager does have that amazingly embarrasing episode where they break the warp 10 barrier 22:42:24 *** tdev [~udev@p508EBA8D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: free open source vehicle simulator: http://rigsofrods.com] 22:42:36 <OwenS> Aali: Aah, that ones a classic! :P 22:42:39 <Aali> with the only side-effect being a curable acceleration of evolution 22:42:45 <Aali> and yet they never try it again 22:43:01 <OwenS> Mainly, presumably multi light second communication is instantanious (But OK, perhaps they're trying not to bore us :P ) and the other where space suddenly becomes noisy (But OK, rule of cool was in effect) 22:43:25 <OwenS> (And you could use the excuse of them being in the upper atmo at the time.. though thats a bit of a stretch) 22:43:27 *** Utvik [~autvik@bjo2-1x-dhcp133.studby.uio.no] has joined #openttd 22:43:45 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B812E9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 22:43:48 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 22:44:29 *** reldred1 [~Richard_E@wirele5.lnk.telstra.net] has joined #openttd 22:45:44 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:46:21 <TrueBrain> pompiedom 22:47:09 <OwenS> I want a longer version of the serenity theme. In the movie it cuts off quite suddenly when a buffer panel breaks off =( 22:47:36 <Eddi|zuHause> Doctor Who is not full of glitches, it is one huge pile of deliberate inconsistency ;) 22:47:37 <TrueBrain> Serenety and Aeon Flux it will be for tonight 22:47:52 <OwenS> I have Serenity on BD. Good movie 22:48:23 <TrueBrain> I have it in 720p in .. a few minutes :p 22:48:53 <OwenS> Meh. I have it in 40GB of 1080p VC-1 (Eww on the last fact) with 7.1 15mbit/s DTS-HD Master Audio :P 22:49:01 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has quit [Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: , sources date: 20090115, built on: 2009/03/07 00:45:02 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/] 22:49:15 <TrueBrain> VC-1? Why? 22:49:17 <TrueBrain> MS sucks :( 22:49:32 <OwenS> Becuase the BD is encoded with VC-1? :-( 22:49:37 <TrueBrain> really? 22:49:38 <TrueBrain> ieuw 22:49:48 <OwenS> Some are MPEG-2. Very eww :p 22:50:09 <OwenS> Dunno why the extras are in SD MPEG-2 on the Serenity BD though. Wouldn't VC-1 have worked out cheaper since they already licensed it? :p 22:50:10 <Eddi|zuHause> who-in-his-right-mind... 22:50:36 <OwenS> Most HD TV shows are supplied to TV stations in compressed-the-hell-out-of MPEG-2 =( 22:50:42 <TrueBrain> but the DTS audio channel has to be nice :) 22:50:47 <Eddi|zuHause> OwenS: probably they just copied them from the DVD? 22:50:52 <OwenS> Eddi|zuHause: Probably 22:51:02 <OwenS> You know they're supplied crap when the H.264 output looks better than the input 22:51:28 <TrueBrain> euhm? 22:51:30 <OwenS> TrueBrain: It would be if my amp supported it :P As is I get DTS 5.1 (Like DVDs), which is OK (And "accoustically transparent" anyway) 22:51:35 <TrueBrain> how can the output ever looks better than the input? 22:51:52 <Eddi|zuHause> i meant the extras, not the tv stations... 22:52:01 <OwenS> So did I :p 22:52:24 <OwenS> TrueBrain: Because H.264 uses a psycovisual (sp?) model which makes it model what the eyes like :p 22:52:47 <TrueBrain> if you say so :) 22:52:53 <Eddi|zuHause> # U i vethed na i onnad. 22:52:54 <Eddi|zuHause> # Si boe u-dhanna. 22:52:55 <Eddi|zuHause> # Ae u-esteli, esteliach nad. 22:53:01 <TrueBrain> (I know nothing about encoders, besides the part that they .. encode :p) 22:53:15 <TrueBrain> and that they increase entropy :p 22:53:25 <TrueBrain> but that .. that is a cmopletely different story :) 22:53:51 <OwenS> TrueBrain: Basically, the part of H.264 which predicts what the next frame will be like (And the encoder then supplies differences to make it look like it should) predicts something our eyes prefer to the source material 22:54:30 <TrueBrain> bah, someone is also streaming from my hd ... IO shortage .. 22:54:40 <Eddi|zuHause> lmao... 22:54:41 <TrueBrain> just 8000 MiB/sec :( 22:54:47 <TrueBrain> euh 22:54:48 <TrueBrain> lol 22:54:50 <TrueBrain> M = K 22:55:10 <Eddi|zuHause> it's sad when the internet is faster than the HD :p 22:55:12 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: just reduce the throughput to the streamer! 22:55:18 <OwenS> E.G. MPEG-2 will make stuff look "blurred"... the H.264 predictor adds noise and our eyes like it 22:55:51 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:55:55 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: the problem is that the HD needs to seek from different places, creating a bottleneck 22:56:01 <TrueBrain> so either I have to stop it, or it doesn't matter 22:56:19 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: reducing the throughput eventually stops the stream 22:56:23 <Eddi|zuHause> TrueBrain: that calls for a better prefetch-algorithm 22:56:32 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: what would you suggest? :P 22:56:40 <Eddi|zuHause> how should i know ;) 22:56:49 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't have that kind of problems :p 22:56:52 <TrueBrain> haha 22:56:58 <TrueBrain> it is an upper-class problem, I admit :) 22:57:22 <OwenS> I'd suggest bigger IO buffers :p 22:57:45 <TrueBrain> my disk itself already has 32MB :p 22:57:48 <TrueBrain> still .. there are limits :p 22:57:52 <OwenS> ZFS can create some huge ones which caused the FreeBSD kernel to panic a lot with their initial implementation from address space exhaustion :p 22:58:35 <OwenS> E.G. I'm watching a ~300mb TV episode at the moment and it's cached it all into RAM :p 22:58:47 <TrueBrain> 300mb is nothing 22:58:51 <TrueBrain> I am storing 5gb 22:59:00 <TrueBrain> while at least 1 person is streaming 12gb 22:59:03 <TrueBrain> :p 22:59:15 <TrueBrain> then there is also a torrent active .. hmm .. :p 22:59:17 <OwenS> Yes, but it will cache hundreds of megs at a time to reduce seeks :p 23:00:04 <TrueBrain> OwenS: you can't cache writes :p (well, you can, but it has to be stored at some point .. when the cache is full, it will write at the speed of the disk :p) 23:00:49 <Eddi|zuHause> you don't have 8GB of memory? :p 23:01:15 <OwenS> Writes go into big caches also, so for 3 people streaming (2 from, 1 to) it will probably cache ~200mb each if it can and stream that out when it reaches 150mb 23:01:17 <TrueBrain> still not :( 23:01:31 <TrueBrain> OwenS: think about write cache 23:01:35 <TrueBrain> when the cache is full 23:01:39 <TrueBrain> it HAS to write to disk 23:01:49 <TrueBrain> then the speed is the write of the disk .. no matter how big your cache is :p 23:01:56 <OwenS> TrueBrain: Yes. But everyone else has big full caches to tide them over 23:02:24 <TrueBrain> @calc 4.3 * 1024 / 120 23:02:25 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 36.6933333333 23:02:25 <Eddi|zuHause> TrueBrain: but when multiple people are accessing, the most bandwidth gets killed by seeks, not by writes... 23:02:31 <Xaroth> oh for the love of 23:02:40 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: true :) 23:02:40 <Xaroth> mono compile faster you stupid piece of GRRRRRRRRR 23:02:44 <Eddi|zuHause> so a good caching/scheduling strategy reduces the number of seeks 23:02:46 <TrueBrain> lol @ Xaroth 23:02:58 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: that absolutely, in all cases :) 23:03:06 <Xaroth> TrueBrain: it's been bloody compiling for the past hour 23:03:11 <Xaroth> WAIT 23:03:12 <Xaroth> it's done 23:03:19 <TrueBrain> hahah 23:03:23 <OwenS> I would say it was the Intel approach to design ("Add cache until you cover up your issues").. but it works for filesystems :p 23:03:30 <OwenS> Xaroth: what? 23:03:39 <Xaroth> OwenS: Mono 2.4 23:03:40 <TrueBrain> I guess my fs doesn't cache that well :p 23:03:52 <OwenS> I thought you said "compiles" lol 23:03:53 <Xaroth> apparently ubuntu doesn't do anything above 1.9 on ubuntu8.10 23:03:54 <Rubidium> OwenS: there are limits to the size of the cache 23:04:06 <Xaroth> and seeing this bug is fixed in 2.1 or something 23:04:11 <TrueBrain> torrent kill any cache btw 23:04:11 <Xaroth> i have to manually compile it to fix it :( 23:04:14 <Rubidium> like... memory size exceeding the total amount of diskspace 23:04:37 <OwenS> Rubidium: ZFS pre-reserves the diskspace :p 23:05:05 <TrueBrain> I still don't like ZFS btw 23:05:06 <Eddi|zuHause> TrueBrain: i have not witnessed that symptom myself ;) 23:05:12 <TrueBrain> dunno why really .. 23:05:14 *** xmakina [~xmakina@87.113.19.239.plusnet.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has quit [] 23:05:16 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: haha :) Poor you :p 23:05:26 <Eddi|zuHause> apparently, my 5kB/s upload is not sufficient to kill caches :p 23:05:35 <Rubidium> isn't ZFS Oracle's file system? 23:05:43 <OwenS> Sun's, yes 23:05:51 <TrueBrain> Sun, but he, that are details :) 23:06:11 <OwenS> Linux is moving in the same direction with btrfs :p 23:06:14 <Eddi|zuHause> didn't they buy each other? 23:06:27 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: "Oracle Buys Sun" 23:06:30 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: yes, Sun bought Oracle, and Oracle bought Sun 23:06:31 <TrueBrain> :p 23:06:32 <Xaroth> ugh make install takes forever as well 23:06:41 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: hence the: "that are details" 23:07:16 <Xaroth> on a completely unrelated note: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v78/padyo/FunnyPics/forum/selection_217_12.jpg 23:07:19 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93-80-156-54.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:08:08 <Eddi|zuHause> Xaroth: is that the pedobear? ;) 23:08:33 <Xaroth> ye 23:09:09 <SmatZ> /b/tard 23:10:36 <OwenS> Isn't it mostly "You don't piss off /b/"? :p 23:13:09 *** Pygmalion [~quassel@88.151.27.234] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:13:09 <Eddi|zuHause> google is funny... you enter "/b/" and it comes up in this order with: "wikipedia - the letter B", "wikipedia - Bela B.", "Mercedes - B-Class" ---- Results for "4chan": [...] 23:13:23 <OwenS> lol 23:14:56 <TrueBrain> here the no one hit is: Ali B! 23:14:59 <TrueBrain> no = no. 23:15:05 <Eddi|zuHause> (where "Bela B." is a member of the famous band "Die ?rzte") 23:15:45 <TrueBrain> hmm .. results on /b/ are removed due to child porn 23:16:07 <Sacro> TrueBrain: they can early leave it there 23:16:20 <TrueBrain> not later? 23:17:28 <Eddi|zuHause> TrueBrain: it says here 3 results are removed, but it doesn't tell why 23:17:37 <TrueBrain> clicking the link shows you 23:19:01 * TrueBrain is happy his emulator works :) Lalalaaaaaaa :) 23:19:59 <TrueBrain> it suprises me .. now Bing is here, Google all of a sudden comes with a new search method 23:20:05 <TrueBrain> why not sooner? 23:20:33 <TrueBrain> haven't used Bing yet .. hmm .. 23:20:36 <Eddi|zuHause> we have a saying... "Konkurrenz belebt das Gesch?ft" 23:21:01 <TrueBrain> yeah, but Google had this big mouth 23:21:04 <TrueBrain> that they were there for the public 23:21:09 <TrueBrain> always inventing new things 23:21:11 <TrueBrain> and going forward 23:21:25 <TrueBrain> in reality .. they were standing still like any other, till the time someone came with a (better) alternative 23:21:29 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but a monopoly has that effect, even if you actively work against it 23:21:48 <Eddi|zuHause> it's not necessarily the fault of google 23:22:07 <Eddi|zuHause> sometimes you need to view things with the eyes of an outsider to get forward 23:22:16 <Eddi|zuHause> if you have a monopoly, there is no outsider 23:22:20 <TrueBrain> somehow Apple manages it to keep pushing forward 23:22:27 <OwenS> And from a competitive point of view... If you're in the lead, you withhold your stuff until someone comes close to it so they odn't take their ideas from you 23:22:27 <TrueBrain> take the iPhone .. 23:22:36 <OwenS> The iPhone is hardly a monopoly 23:22:45 <TrueBrain> OwenS: but Google claimed they were not doing that 23:22:54 <TrueBrain> OwenS: I meant iPod -> iTouch -> iPhone 23:23:08 <TrueBrain> despite the fact they are markt leader in mp3 players, they still keep pushing the limits 23:23:15 <OwenS> the iPod Touch is just a stripped iPhone 23:23:29 <TrueBrain> now, yes 23:23:33 <TrueBrain> but not in the order of development 23:24:04 <OwenS> Also, Apple are in a different type of market: They're innovating so people buy new iPods. Google... don't need to make people buy new googles ;-) 23:24:21 <TrueBrain> true; yet I am disapointed in Google 23:24:27 <TrueBrain> they always said they wouldn't ... 23:24:33 <TrueBrain> we were used that Intel held back 23:24:36 <TrueBrain> till AMD 'stole' it :p 23:24:53 <Markk> Google is testing a new searchengine though 23:24:56 <OwenS> TrueBrain: Actually no. Intel just went down a dead end and aimed for high clockspeeds to wow punters :p 23:25:01 <Markk> ww2.sandbox.google.com i think 23:25:09 <TrueBrain> Markk: that was the start of this conversation, tnx for paying attention ;) 23:25:14 <Markk> Oh 23:25:15 <Markk> :D 23:25:22 <TrueBrain> OwenS: it was before that :p 23:25:22 <OwenS> high clockspeeds at the expense of instructions/clock :p 23:25:26 <Markk> Sorry guise 23:25:45 <OwenS> TrueBrain: Huh? AMD caught Intel off guard twice, with the original Athlon and with the Athlon 64 23:26:09 <TrueBrain> you do know the history of AMD, not? 23:26:18 <TrueBrain> let me try to find a good page about it ... 23:28:04 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-26-240-30.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.13/2009073022]] 23:30:18 <TrueBrain> bah, can't find a good page, only snippets .. it comes down to: AMD has a license from Intel to use its stuff .. AMD released a chipset based on it that was newer than the Intel chipset on the market 23:30:30 <OwenS> Aah lol 23:30:37 <TrueBrain> this because Intel had it developed and stuff, but didn't want to release it, because it would keep people buying their stuff ever 1.5 years 23:30:59 <TrueBrain> Intel was via this way making more profit (over our backs) 23:31:07 <TrueBrain> that is what I was refering to 23:31:22 <TrueBrain> Intel had a N MHz years before we saw it .. not because it was not ready, but because they were trying to keep the prices high 23:31:33 <TrueBrain> (after all, releasing a faster CPU every month is not good for the price :p) 23:31:46 <TrueBrain> AMD took that 'privileges' away because of some bad contracts and some lawsuits :p 23:31:52 <OwenS> I don't really care; I've never bought Intel CPUs anyway aside from my Atom :p 23:32:46 <TrueBrain> up to 64bit, AMDs were just Intels (well, the technique and shit) 23:32:54 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77C11.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 23:32:55 <TrueBrain> 64bit CPUs are the first things AMD designed 23:33:10 <OwenS> The K5/K6/K7/K8 family was all AMD designed 23:33:13 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77D8F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:33:21 <TrueBrain> 'designed' is a big word 23:33:28 <TrueBrain> the x86 technoligy came straight from Intel 23:33:32 <TrueBrain> they never did a thing for that 23:33:39 <OwenS> The Am486 and such were Intel CPUs produced by AMD yes, but the K5 and later was custom built from the ground up 23:33:49 <TrueBrain> not from the ground up 23:33:55 <TrueBrain> just custom build :) 23:34:09 <OwenS> They were; Intel never granted them the right to use their layout & circuitry; just their patents 23:34:10 <TrueBrain> but okay .. it is also thanks to that, that x86 is so common :) 23:34:23 <OwenS> Thats a good thing? x86 sucks :p 23:34:37 <TrueBrain> might be, but having all those different shit is even worse :) 23:34:42 <TrueBrain> ther eis a reason Apple is using x86 too now :) 23:34:49 <OwenS> If we standardized on ARM it would rock :p 23:34:53 <TrueBrain> dunno 23:34:58 <TrueBrain> I rather have we did computers all over 23:35:00 <TrueBrain> and make them 3bit 23:35:03 <TrueBrain> like the russian did 23:35:09 <TrueBrain> (that is, -1/0/1 per bit) 23:35:16 <TrueBrain> tribits? What was the name ..) 23:35:17 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g227069237.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 23:35:38 <OwenS> With the K5 AMD had a crap in house design team; therefore it sucked. With the K6 (Or was it K7?) AMD picked up DEC's Alpha design team on the cheap and started producing better designs 23:36:22 <OwenS> Thats why early AMD CPUs used the Alpha's bus :p 23:37:03 <Eddi|zuHause> my advanced algorithsms professor was into coins, and he once calculated that a trinary coin system (i.e. coins of values 3^n) would be the best in a cash based pay X, return Y system 23:37:33 <TrueBrain> trinary, thank you, that was the term I was looking for :) 23:37:44 <TrueBrain> 'trit' as alternative for 'bit' :) 23:37:46 <OwenS> Yeah, it was the K7 the alpha guys took over; Socket/Slot A used the Alpha ev8 bus :p 23:38:02 <TrueBrain> trit based systems are various of factors faster 23:38:09 <TrueBrain> but because it was russian, it never became anything real 23:38:43 <OwenS> They're also horrible to implement in logic because transistors don't like that kind of thing :p 23:38:52 <Eddi|zuHause> politics getting in the way of development... not the first time... 23:39:09 <TrueBrain> OwenS: trits produce faster results, better results, less power consumption, .... 23:39:23 *** Uberzten [~oleppolet@21.58.34.95.customer.cdi.no] has joined #openttd 23:39:27 <Eddi|zuHause> OwenS: what? it's dead simple to pass +5V, 0V or -5V through an electric circuit 23:39:35 <OwenS> Not with MOSFET based logic (I.E. current IC processes) 23:39:44 <Uberzten> wow 23:39:49 <TrueBrain> just because we are so used to binary shit ..... 23:39:49 <Uberzten> hard stuff 23:39:53 <OwenS> You'd need two lines to make trinary logic work fast 23:39:56 <TrueBrain> welcome Uberzten 23:40:01 <Uberzten> ty 23:40:09 <TrueBrain> OwenS: all designs I have seen, don't require that 23:40:24 <Xaroth> right 23:40:27 <TrueBrain> just you have to stop thinking in bits ;) 23:40:31 <Uberzten> someone planning a competive ottd server? 23:40:32 <Xaroth> time to sleep while machine compiles mono svn head :/ 23:40:42 <TrueBrain> Xaroth: good luck :) 23:40:43 <Uberzten> im dying to playing on a good one 23:40:43 <Eddi|zuHause> you need an additional layer for the -5V power supply, but the rest is simple... 23:41:01 <Xaroth> TrueBrain: i'll need it if i ever want to get this damned thing to work again 23:41:09 <Eddi|zuHause> Uberzten: this channel is more about development than playing... 23:41:10 <TrueBrain> Xaroth: hehe :) And send EA a message? :p 23:41:14 <Uberzten> yeah 23:41:19 <Xaroth> meh, first chat with boss about it 23:41:20 <TrueBrain> Uberzten: and on this time, not many will feel like a game .. but who knows ;) 23:41:25 <TrueBrain> Xaroth: :) :) 23:41:28 <Uberzten> develope a competive server 23:41:39 <Uberzten> like Kurt's 23:41:47 <Uberzten> WHERE IS KURT? :(:(: 23:41:51 <OwenS> Not really... Your transistor counts go up, leakage current goes up.. Terneray logic is horid on CMOS processes 23:41:58 <Eddi|zuHause> he never was here, we don't know. 23:42:02 <Uberzten> arrrgh 23:42:07 <TrueBrain> OwenS: in tinary, leakage goes DOWN :) 23:42:20 <Eddi|zuHause> there was a project called "open hard goal", but i think it died 23:42:26 <Uberzten> yeah 23:42:45 <OwenS> TrueBrain: Has anyone implemented a trinary circuit on CMOS? 23:42:45 <Uberzten> i tryed to follow it 23:43:08 <TrueBrain> sorry, I Thought your 'leakage' was unrelated to cmos 23:43:11 <TrueBrain> as that I wouldn't know 23:43:22 <Uberzten> but it seemed like they didnt care that much about it 23:43:43 <Eddi|zuHause> well, i'm afraid you're out of luck then... 23:43:48 <Uberzten> :( 23:44:04 <Uberzten> and what is these guys talking about? 23:44:22 <OwenS> TrueBrain: Leakage is a big issue for CMOS; It's predecessor logic types (NMOS and PMOS were much worse and much more limted); their predecessor (Bipolar Junction Transistors) was current driven and absolutely abysmal for it. But with CMOS, it's very efficient when saturated and terrible inbetween 23:44:23 <Uberzten> computer or irl electronics? 23:44:29 <OwenS> IRL electronics 23:44:33 <Eddi|zuHause> electric circuits using tri-state bits 23:44:56 <Eddi|zuHause> spinoff from google reacting on bing ;) 23:45:08 <TrueBrain> OwenS: so your claim is that when using CMOS for binary, it should be used for ternary? :) 23:45:40 <TrueBrain> (sorry, I miss why you want CMOS involved in this conversation :p) 23:45:42 <Uberzten> i think it should be used for quadnary 23:46:12 <OwenS> TrueBrain: As I said, the other available technologies are worse. NMOS and PMOS are dead (Useless for analog anyway; beaten by CMOS for digital), Bipolar is only used in analog circuits because it consumes lots of current and can suffer latch-up and thermal runaway 23:46:26 <TrueBrain> OwenS: read up on ternary components 23:46:31 <TrueBrain> they are much more efficient in general 23:47:19 <TrueBrain> either way, ternary development stopped somwhere in the 60s 23:47:26 <TrueBrain> I believe there were some attempts in the 70s 23:47:34 <TrueBrain> and now it is just all down to theoretic 23:47:36 <OwenS> OK... So no real work on it since the transistor :p 23:47:38 <Uberzten> did you wikipedia it? 23:47:43 <TrueBrain> simply because the market is dominated by binary 23:47:51 <TrueBrain> OwenS: enough theory about it :) 23:48:04 <TrueBrain> http://www.springerlink.com/content/h41v140837113441/ 23:48:06 <TrueBrain> to give a simple example 23:48:21 <TrueBrain> (just a random public document) 23:48:44 <OwenS> The other thing is ternary logic has bad noise immunity relatively. Which is a real problem with 90nm and smaller processes 23:49:09 <TrueBrain> OwenS: from what I have read in the last few years, ternary has LESS noise problems 23:49:23 <TrueBrain> the reason it would be so useful .. 23:49:37 <TrueBrain> even for that time (the 60s), ternary was faster than binary 23:49:49 <OwenS> Ternary involves having transistors on, half on or off. half on is a place transistors don't like being. Thermonic Valves are less picky 23:50:20 <TrueBrain> fun fact: they have new binary transistors, which don't leak at all :p 23:50:48 <OwenS> Thats very impressive bcause thats theoretically impossible. Unless they're made of vacuum. Which they can't be 23:51:22 <TrueBrain> optical :) 23:51:32 <OwenS> Aah 23:51:40 <TrueBrain> you think WAY too much inside a small box :) 23:51:50 <Uberzten> what if it was made of wood? 23:51:57 <TrueBrain> then it would be heavy 23:52:03 <OwenS> A transistor is a semiconductor electonic component. An optical switch should be named something else 23:52:16 <TrueBrain> they are called optical transistors, sorry, can't help that 23:52:19 <TrueBrain> btw, hits quantum field 23:52:22 <TrueBrain> but that is besides the point :p 23:52:42 <Uberzten> semiconductor.. hmm.. it think i saw that word in civilization III 23:53:07 <TrueBrain> either way, OwenS, read a few good documentation and papers about ternary computer 23:53:09 <TrueBrain> you will be suprised 23:53:18 <TrueBrain> don't assume too much about what would happen and what would be needed 23:53:36 <Eddi|zuHause> Uberzten: possibly you meant supraconductor 23:53:39 <TrueBrain> remember that we live in a binary world, and many of our solutions are inside tha tworld. Ternary gives a whole different world with completely different solutions :) 23:53:46 <OwenS> I'll admit they have advantages implemented with valves. But I don't imagine us going back to machines which have an MBTF of a few hours :p 23:53:57 <Uberzten> mby i did 23:54:00 <OwenS> MTBF** 23:54:07 <OwenS> Eddi|zuHause: You mean superconductor? :p 23:54:10 <Uberzten> super 23:54:11 <TrueBrain> just because in the 60s we decided to go binary, doesn't mean we wouldn't have found perfect solutions for ternary :) 23:54:13 <Uberzten> yeah 23:54:18 <Uberzten> that was the tech 23:54:28 <Uberzten> is that something else? 23:54:42 <Eddi|zuHause> OwenS: dunno, it's called "Supraleiter" in german 23:54:59 <OwenS> Eddi|zuHause: Superconductor = conductor with zero resistance 23:55:01 <TrueBrain> so Superconductor ;) 23:55:06 <TrueBrain> OwenS: _almost_ zero :p 23:55:08 <Uberzten> dunno what a conductor is in norwegian 23:55:09 <TrueBrain> if we are nitpicking :p 23:55:23 <OwenS> TrueBrain: OK, infinitely close to zero :p 23:55:30 <TrueBrain> as zero would be BAD! 23:55:35 <Eddi|zuHause> OwenS: i know what it is. 23:55:42 <OwenS> I'll admit perfect superconductivity occurs only at absolute zero. And you can never reach absolute zero :p 23:55:49 <Uberzten> omgasskickinguberconductor 23:55:55 <Uberzten> would that be something? 23:56:06 <TrueBrain> OwenS: I hope we never reach it :) 23:56:17 <TrueBrain> UBER conductor 23:56:19 <TrueBrain> I like :) 23:56:26 <Uberzten> :) 23:56:40 <Eddi|zuHause> fun fact, wherever "?ber" appears in an american TV show, it's translated as "super" in german :p 23:56:42 <OwenS> TrueBrain: Me too. But room temperature (as opposed to high temperature) superconductors would be nice :p 23:56:49 <TrueBrain> at my university, they do a lot of levitation experiments .. pretty funny :p 23:56:55 <Uberzten> can we talk about something i understand, im boored 23:57:04 <TrueBrain> didn't they made progress in that depertmant? 23:57:18 <TrueBrain> so because you are bored we have to lower our level to your plain, Uberzten? 23:57:21 <TrueBrain> sounds egocentric :) 23:57:22 <OwenS> They're getting hotter. But I'd appreciate something which won't kill my arm :p 23:57:32 <TrueBrain> define: kill your arm? 23:57:35 <Uberzten> yeah, i think thats fair, im am the noobie here 23:57:37 <Eddi|zuHause> TrueBrain: i believe they're somewhere near 100K currently 23:57:39 <TrueBrain> a knife killsy our arm :) 23:57:49 <OwenS> TrueBrain: Freeze it non-restorably :p 23:57:53 <Eddi|zuHause> which is not necessarily closing up on room temperature yet :p 23:58:28 <TrueBrain> OwenS: hmm ... 23:58:33 <OwenS> When I was at Duhram university's physics department they were (after the superconductivity demo) giving out liquid N? cooled ice lollies, lol 23:58:37 <TrueBrain> you can touch liquid nitrogen 23:58:41 <TrueBrain> still it doesn't kill your arm (instantly) 23:59:01 <OwenS> TrueBrain: Plunging your arm into it is probably not wise :p 23:59:04 <TrueBrain> as 'demo' we show first graders what you can do with it 23:59:10 <Uberzten> OwenS how did they taste? 23:59:10 <TrueBrain> let them take of their rings 23:59:10 <Eddi|zuHause> wait... it doesn't work like on TV?!? 23:59:13 <TrueBrain> put it over their hands 23:59:15 <TrueBrain> no problem what so ever 23:59:22 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:59:22 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-209-23.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 23:59:22 <OwenS> Uberzten: Like normal ones. Just more likely to stick to your toungue 23:59:32 <Uberzten> cool 23:59:41 <TrueBrain> just never ever let them close their hands 23:59:53 <OwenS> Yeah, I know people can put liquid nitrogen in their mouth to create a smoke breathing effect. Just don't swallow it :p 23:59:55 <TrueBrain> it is cool when it touches dust (on the floor)