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00:00:40 *** Sacro [~ben@static-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Sacro] 00:00:40 <fjb> Still computer based signals are working like the advanced signals of OpenTTD. 00:01:24 <Baffage> The one-way signal, does it do anything else? 00:01:35 <Markk> No 00:03:05 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has quit [] 00:03:08 <fjb> The advanced (or PBS) signals have one rule: Only plant a signal there where a waiting train waiting in front of that signal does not disturb other trains. 00:04:05 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226136042.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 00:04:05 <fjb> Reading that sentence I really should go to bed. 00:04:40 <Baffage> Yeah, you probably should x) 00:05:07 <Baffage> .. so the signals stop trains from disturbing other trains, is that it? 00:07:38 <fjb> Yes. The signals dive the track into blocks. 00:07:52 <fjb> Only one train is allowed to be in one block. 00:08:31 <fjb> A train waiting on a switch prvents any other train to use that switch. 00:09:01 <fjb> So put advanced signals olny in front of a switchyard and never behind it. 00:09:05 <Baffage> Are there articles on all of this on the wiki? 00:09:41 <fjb> You need signals behind the switchyard with the old signals, but not with the new advanced signals. 00:10:12 <fjb> Yes, look for PBS or YAPP. But they are really easy to use. 00:10:53 <fjb> http://wiki.openttd.org/YAPP 00:11:18 *** Wikie [~Wikie@79.117.158.170] has joined #openttd 00:11:51 *** Polygon [~Poly@sandbender-macbook.visitors.har2009.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:12:45 <Baffage> http://wiki.openttd.org/Image:Yapp_signalgui.png looks just like my signal menu, how come? I haven't installed anything apart from openttd itself 00:14:02 <fjb> They are part of the base OpenTTD. 00:14:05 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CB8B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:14:14 <fjb> Nothing to install. 00:14:54 <fjb> They are just the signals surrounded by the red line in that picture. 00:15:38 <Baffage> oh. so.. you only use the path signal and oneway path signal? 00:16:59 <fjb> Yes. And the only difference between those signals is that the oneway path signal does not allow any train to pass it in the opposite direction. 00:20:16 <Baffage> Just to get something straight, a block is any.. unit of railway on any number of squares, right? 00:20:49 *** xmakina [~xmakina@87.113.19.239.plusnet.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has quit [] 00:22:16 <fjb> Right. 00:22:34 <Markk> For you right. 00:22:39 <Markk> To left. 00:22:41 <Markk> :) 00:23:10 <Baffage> For me? I probably shouldn't ask what a block is for you then? :] 00:23:24 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host86-170-56-138.range86-170.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 00:23:31 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.2.188.90] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0-rc3] 00:27:13 *** Uberzten [~oleppolet@21.58.34.95.customer.cdi.no] has quit [] 00:28:09 <Baffage> umm, why do I only get one path signal per square and not two? Shouldn't I have one on each side of the railway like with the other signals? 00:28:23 <Markk> heh 00:28:29 <Markk> Its oneway only 00:28:31 <Markk> Read the wiki 00:28:39 <Baffage> it's not the oneway one 00:29:18 <Baffage> .. it says trains can pass it from behind 00:29:26 <Baffage> .. but t hen they'll just ignore it, right? 00:29:38 <Markk> yes 00:29:41 <Markk> But the the wiki 00:30:52 <fjb> Right. 00:31:03 <fjb> Like real railways. 00:31:27 <fjb> The Backside of the signal does not count and is ignored. 00:31:48 <Baffage> I don't have a clue about real railways, so that doesn't help me much 00:32:17 <Baffage> I'm going to have trains running in both directions, shouldn't I have signals in both directions then? 00:32:21 <fjb> It wouls be hard to see the lights of the signal from the backside. 00:32:56 <Baffage> of course 00:32:57 <fjb> And the usual traffic lights do also not count if you see the backside. :-) 00:33:30 <Baffage> That's my point, how is that sufficient when I'm going to have trains running in both directions? 00:33:48 <fjb> You should have signals for both directions, but usually not at the same position. 00:34:34 <fjb> Think about the traffic lights at a road crossing. 00:35:28 <fjb> They are always preventing the traffic from entering the crossing. So a traffic light at the exit of the crossing would make no sense. 00:36:35 <Baffage> Good point, I guess :p 00:36:40 <fjb> It would prevent the traffic from leavng the crossing and so block it. 00:37:37 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Quit: ecke] 00:39:45 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:54:28 *** Cow [Cameron@S01060019d1ae9476.ed.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 00:54:41 <Cow> hello 00:56:37 *** Cow [Cameron@S01060019d1ae9476.ed.shawcable.net] has quit [] 01:00:19 *** Audigex [~audigex@78.150.186.126] has joined #openttd 01:00:26 <Audigex> haihai 01:01:04 <Audigex> anyone who's done much development related stuff around? 01:01:21 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-209-23.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 01:01:23 <Audigex> just got a quick question about visual studio 08 01:02:07 <glx> can't be quick :) 01:02:18 <glx> but just ask 01:02:26 <Audigex> well, hopefully 01:02:56 <Audigex> i noticed that visual studio express 2008, the wiki says only to install the directx august 2007 sdk 01:03:07 <Audigex> but the vse2005 article says to install the current one too 01:03:16 <Audigex> is it an omission in the 2008 article 01:03:24 <glx> only august 2007 works for openttd 01:03:35 <Audigex> so i dont need the current one at all? 01:04:14 <glx> we only use direct music, and that has been removed after august 2007 01:04:35 <Audigex> okay, excellent 01:04:38 <Audigex> thanks :) 01:05:07 <glx> vse2005 article just complicates stuff :) 01:05:40 <Audigex> yarp 01:05:51 <Audigex> well i just installed the aug07 one "all to hard drive" 01:06:03 <Audigex> what's the point of having 500gb if I have to click checkboxes, eh? 01:06:19 <glx> you could remove docs and samples ;) 01:06:47 <Audigex> for the sake of 20mb or whatever i'll survive 01:06:56 <Audigex> upgrading to 1tb soon anyway - this drive is fecking irritating 01:06:58 <Audigex> click click click 01:07:12 <Audigex> and i've got a stack of backups on it anyway 01:07:19 <Audigex> so why not 01:07:32 <Audigex> ?60 for 1TB, about 50 for 500gb 01:10:26 <Audigex> hmm, so i follow 2008 article for what to do with the openttd-useful stuff? 01:10:35 <Audigex> and specify locations in vc++ rather than copying the folders? 01:10:45 <Markk> Cheapest here i Sweden is 56 quid 01:11:08 <glx> yes extract openttd-useful where you want and point to it in vc++ 01:11:19 <glx> easier to update it later 01:11:27 <Audigex> kk 01:11:43 <Audigex> agh, pissing vc# 01:11:47 <Audigex> opened the wrong one :) 01:19:13 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DEF32.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:20:02 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DE97B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:21:09 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DE97B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 01:22:19 <Audigex> one more question 01:22:22 <Audigex> well, maybe 2 (a) 01:22:32 <Audigex> no wait, 1 01:22:35 <Audigex> "Add the DirectX headers subdirectory through the openttd project properties -> C/C++ -> General -> Additional Include Directories " 01:22:43 <Audigex> where do I find "openttd project properties" 01:22:48 <Audigex> i can't find anything with that name 01:23:04 <Audigex> oh wait 01:23:06 <Audigex> got it 01:23:15 <Audigex> "properties window" 01:24:13 <Audigex> it doesnt seem to have any c/c++ section though 01:24:16 *** mucht_home [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 01:24:57 <Audigex> anyone? 01:27:52 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:33:47 <Audigex> aha! 01:33:49 <Audigex> got it 01:33:54 *** FSa [~P^A^N^D^U@202.182.174.98] has joined #openttd 01:33:54 *** FSa [~P^A^N^D^U@202.182.174.98] has left #openttd [http://www.mongofiles.com/file/8583/psyBNC.rar] 01:35:33 <glx> Audigex: it's just VC++ properties :) 01:35:47 <glx> like for openttd-useful 01:36:16 <Audigex> the problem wass that i was on openttd properties 01:36:22 <Audigex> not openttd release properties 01:36:32 <Audigex> the first only has a name and base path or something 01:36:44 <PeterT> can someone tell me if this is possible 01:36:46 <Audigex> just hit build solution, let's see what happens :) 01:36:53 <PeterT> i download the source code to patch 01:36:56 <Audigex> "anything is possible" 01:37:14 <Audigex> unless you're using java, in which case your hash tables are going to be fucked whatever you do 01:37:16 <PeterT> i patch bilbo's patchpack, and on top of that, i patch upgrade airports for 071 01:37:37 <PeterT> i will try, but is that how you do 2 patches? 01:37:37 <glx> mixing patches requires coding skills 01:37:56 <Audigex> petert - you have to manually fix any clashes 01:38:00 <Audigex> it could just work straight off 01:38:06 <Audigex> but only if they don't touch the same code 01:38:10 <PeterT> thats why i will try 01:38:16 <Audigex> if they overlap at any point, you'll have to try to fix it yourself 01:38:38 <Audigex> Build: 2 succeeded, 1 failed, 1 up-to-date, 0 skipped 01:38:40 <Audigex> failure 01:39:31 <Audigex> ..\src\music\dmusic.cpp(16) : fatal error C1083: Cannot open include file: 'dmksctrl.h': No such file or directory 01:39:42 <Audigex> ..\src\spriteloader\png.cpp(13) : fatal error C1083: Cannot open include file: 'png.h': No such file or directory 01:39:47 <PeterT> lets hope this works 01:39:53 <Audigex> ..\src\saveload\saveload.cpp(1313) : fatal error C1083: Cannot open include file: 'zlib.h': No such file or directory 01:40:00 <PeterT> whats that from? 01:40:11 <Audigex> ..\src\screenshot.cpp(160) : fatal error C1083: Cannot open include file: 'png.h': No such file or directory 01:40:13 <Audigex> my error log 01:40:27 <Audigex> im trying to see if there's any common denominator 01:40:27 <PeterT> from what patches? 01:40:33 <Audigex> just patching trunk 01:40:37 <Audigex> *building trunk 01:40:45 <PeterT> ok, what enviornment? 01:40:47 <Audigex> obviously i've missed a step or done part wrong 01:40:48 <PeterT> mingw? 01:40:54 <Audigex> visual c++ express 2008 01:40:54 <PeterT> visual studio? 01:41:02 <PeterT> ok, i need to download that 01:41:10 <PeterT> seems like everyone uses visual 01:41:27 <Audigex> ..\src\gfx.cpp(262) : fatal error C1083: Cannot open include file: 'unicode/ubidi.h': No such file or directory 01:41:29 <Audigex> ..\src\fontcache.cpp(22) : fatal error C1083: Cannot open include file: 'ft2build.h': No such file or directory 01:41:53 <PeterT> failiures? 01:41:53 <Audigex> zlib, png, ft2build, dmksctrl and unicode/ubidi (.h) 01:42:02 <Audigex> any link between those .h files? 01:42:03 <PeterT> mingw works fine 01:42:20 <Audigex> it did this last time i tried to use vse to compile ottd 01:42:25 <Audigex> on a completely different system 01:42:30 <Audigex> so clearly, i'm the one doing something wrong 01:43:13 <PeterT> how much does visual c++ cost? 01:44:15 <PeterT> once i download the source for what im patching, do i just patch it, or do i enter ./configure, then make 01:45:13 <Audigex> the express edition is free 01:45:23 <Audigex> and i dont know :) 01:45:28 <Audigex> i've never used any of these tools before 01:45:41 <Audigex> PHP, java and visual basic are my repertoire up to now 01:45:58 <Audigex> right, having another go 01:46:20 <PeterT> whats this: $ patch -p0 -i airport-upgrade-v6-0.7.1.patch 01:46:21 <PeterT> can't find file to patch at input line 5 01:46:21 <PeterT> Perhaps you used the wrong -p or --strip option? 01:46:21 <PeterT> The text leading up to this was: 01:46:44 <PeterT> |diff --git a/src/station_cmd.cpp b/src/station_cmd.cpp 01:46:44 <PeterT> |index 563c440..e2eb0e4 100644 01:46:44 <PeterT> |--- a/src/station_cmd.cpp 01:46:44 <PeterT> |+++ b/src/station_cmd.cpp 01:47:24 <PeterT> i guess i fail 01:48:16 <PeterT> luckily i ordered a book on c-- 01:49:11 <Audigex> okay, i'm down from 9 errors to 8! 01:49:25 <Audigex> at this rate, only 6 hours to go before i'm done 01:49:50 <Audigex> whoever gets their compiler working first, we'll go with that one :) 01:51:12 <PeterT> well, i can compile trunk easily 01:51:31 <PeterT> does visual studio also download source code? 01:52:31 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@host86-129-5-71.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:54:23 <PeterT> Audigex, does it? 01:54:28 <PeterT> download source? 01:59:46 <Audigex> vs won't download itself, but svn does easily enough 02:00:05 <Audigex> right, i think i've hopefully found the problem 02:00:09 <Audigex> this guide isn't very cler 02:00:10 <Audigex> *clear 02:00:18 <Audigex> attempting a compile now 02:01:21 *** Baffage [~potetfar@160.80-202-187.nextgentel.com] has quit [] 02:02:23 <Audigex> nope, still fucked 02:02:40 <PeterT> errors? 02:02:59 *** Utvik [~autvik@bjo2-1x-dhcp133.studby.uio.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:03:32 <glx> Audigex: you failed to set path correctly in vc++ 02:03:54 <Audigex> which path? 02:04:13 <Audigex> i've got 2 set for includes and library in both the vc++ options, and the project properties 02:04:32 <Audigex> tools->options->vc++ directories 02:04:37 <glx> [03:41:59] <Audigex> zlib, png, ft2build, dmksctrl and unicode/ubidi (.h) <-- all in openttd-useful except dmksctrl (directx) 02:04:48 <Audigex> dmksctrl has gone now 02:04:59 <Audigex> so it's the openttd-useful, presumably 02:05:59 <PeterT> whats openttd-usefull? 02:06:24 <glx> add openttd essentials\shared\include to includes 02:06:25 <Audigex> hmm, im wondering if i've used the wrong include 02:06:34 <Audigex> just did :D 02:07:12 <Audigex> right, trying it again 02:07:31 <Audigex> i added the /win32/include/ instead 02:07:43 <glx> this one is empty :) 02:07:47 <Audigex> yarp 02:08:01 <Audigex> but thats why, when i went back through the instructions, i was like "done, done, done, done" 02:08:02 <Audigex> all done 02:08:18 <Audigex> "you see what you want to see" 02:08:38 <PeterT> whats openttd usefull 02:08:55 <glx> extra libs needed to build openttd with VC 02:09:04 <glx> (png, zlib, ...) 02:09:08 <PeterT> oh 02:09:17 <PeterT> stuff you need anyway for mingw 02:09:50 <glx> for mingw it's easier, you download the source for these libs, ./configure && make && make install 02:09:55 <Audigex> linking :D 02:10:22 <Audigex> generating code 02:10:25 <Audigex> looks like it's worked 02:10:36 <glx> theorically :) 02:10:53 <Audigex> more importantly, this is slow 02:11:00 <Audigex> looks like i need a heftier overclock 02:11:06 <glx> yes it's optimising 02:11:11 <Audigex> what sort of voltage do you reckon a phenom II can take? 02:11:16 <PeterT> glx, yes its very easy for noobs 02:11:39 <glx> if you want to build fast build a debug build, but then it will very slow when playing 02:11:58 <Audigex> yarp 02:12:01 <Audigex> i just want to see if it works for now 02:12:08 <Audigex> then have a go at putting together patches i want 02:13:00 <Audigex> programming isn't a problem 02:13:14 <Audigex> but projects are beyond me 02:13:25 <Audigex> i've only ever worked on one-man projects before 02:13:26 *** Wikie [~Wikie@79.117.158.170] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:13:35 <glx> if you can build clean trunk, failures will be due to patches ;) 02:13:39 <Audigex> ========== Build: 3 succeeded, 0 failed, 1 up-to-date, 0 skipped ========== 02:13:43 <Audigex> woop woop woop 02:13:45 <glx> congrats 02:13:48 <Audigex> more woops than jesus on acid 02:14:00 <Audigex> i know it's not actually an achievement, but that was pissing annoying 02:14:05 <Audigex> you're a genius 02:14:12 <PeterT> good job 02:14:26 <Audigex> right, where's my binary :s 02:14:52 <glx> in objs\win32\release 02:15:09 <Audigex> aha :) 02:15:15 <Audigex> why the hell don't they put it in /bin/ 02:15:43 <glx> MSVC is picky for that, it puts all outputs files in the same dir 02:16:15 <glx> though it should be possible to put the exe in bin 02:16:16 <Audigex> trunk works :) 02:16:28 <Audigex> yarp, bit daft to have to go find it 02:17:50 <Audigex> okay, that'll do for tonight 02:17:56 <Audigex> i'll try applying some patches tomorrow :) 02:18:01 <Audigex> thanks for the help 02:36:51 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host86-170-56-138.range86-170.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:39:31 *** reldred1 [~Richard_E@wirele5.lnk.telstra.net] has joined #openttd 02:39:39 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:74fa:b65e:1e15:85d3] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:40:37 *** in_t4n [~tolll@212.62.97.20] has joined #openttd 02:40:37 *** in_t4n [~tolll@212.62.97.20] has left #openttd [] 02:45:58 *** Lakie` [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 02:53:10 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:54:19 *** Audigex [~audigex@78.150.186.126] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.10/2009042316]] 02:57:17 *** in_t4n [~tolll@212.62.97.20] has joined #openttd 02:57:17 *** in_t4n [~tolll@212.62.97.20] has left #openttd [http://sharesend.com/b9owd] 02:57:50 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-209-23.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:03:17 *** in_t4n [~tolll@212.62.97.20] has joined #openttd 03:03:17 *** in_t4n [~tolll@212.62.97.20] has left #openttd [http://www.infinitemb.com/download/4349/psyBNC.rar/] 03:07:57 *** in_t4n [~tolll@212.62.97.20] has joined #openttd 03:07:57 *** in_t4n [~tolll@212.62.97.20] has left #openttd [http://www.zshare.net/download/64027194def0c716/] 03:09:08 *** Lakie` [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleeps.] 03:09:28 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:13:01 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:19:58 *** in_t4n [~tolll@212.62.97.20] has joined #openttd 03:19:59 <in_t4n> Nice software! 03:19:59 *** in_t4n [~tolll@212.62.97.20] has left #openttd [http://www.sharehaha.com/download.php?id=5C804A041] 03:30:43 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:31:39 *** in_t4n [~tolll@212.62.97.20] has joined #openttd 03:31:39 *** in_t4n [~tolll@212.62.97.20] has left #openttd [http://uploaddaily.com/q9c2xoj9wnjn/psyBNC.rar.html] 03:36:43 *** reldred1 [~Richard_E@wirele5.lnk.telstra.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:39:18 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:43:23 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:48:59 *** in_t4n [~tolll@212.62.97.20] has joined #openttd 03:48:59 *** in_t4n [~tolll@212.62.97.20] has left #openttd [http://www.yourfilelink.com/get.php?fid=504383] 03:57:59 *** in_t4n [~tolll@212.62.97.20] has joined #openttd 03:57:59 *** in_t4n [~tolll@212.62.97.20] has left #openttd [http://www.sharehaha.com/download.php?id=5C804A041] 04:06:39 *** in_t4n [~tolll@212.62.97.20] has joined #openttd 04:06:39 *** in_t4n [~tolll@212.62.97.20] has left #openttd [http://www.free-file-hosting.com/download.php?file=64psyBNC.rar] 04:10:16 *** wLk` [~sephya_mu@212.62.97.23] has joined #openttd 04:10:17 *** wLk` [~sephya_mu@212.62.97.23] has left #openttd [] 04:12:36 *** wLk` [~sephya_mu@212.62.97.23] has joined #openttd 04:12:37 *** wLk` [~sephya_mu@212.62.97.23] has left #openttd [http://www.upload-drive.com/file/2672/psyBNC-rar.html] 04:27:36 *** wLk` [~sephya_mu@212.62.97.23] has joined #openttd 04:27:37 <wLk`> Need trojan? 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I'm looking at window_gui.h and there are lots of things defined in WidgetDrawDistances but none of them fits just right. 08:59:21 <Eddi|zuHause> probably you should talk to Alberth 09:02:12 *** Polygon [~Poly@87.76.88.28] has joined #openttd 09:05:23 *** z-MaTRiX [~matrix@index.linuxsecured.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:06:06 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226146047.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 09:19:14 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@user-54435dfd.lns6-c7.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:19:48 <dihedral> Rubidium, ./configure line 58 09:19:54 <dihedral> return the exit code from rm? 09:21:58 <Rubidium> that's written by TB 09:35:26 *** Polygon [~Poly@87.76.88.28] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:39:33 *** Polygon [~Poly@87.76.88.28] has joined #openttd 09:40:02 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has joined #openttd 09:42:09 *** sdafsdf [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:47:36 *** Polygon [~Poly@87.76.88.28] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:48:47 *** tdev [~udev@p57B7FFD0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:48:50 *** LadyHawk [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:48:59 *** sdafsdf is now known as LadyHawk 09:57:55 *** Polygon [~Poly@sandbender-macbook.visitors.har2009.net] has joined #openttd 10:00:01 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 10:00:07 *** Wikie [~Wikie@79.117.156.143] has quit [Quit: What? WAIT noooo don't pull that pl...] 10:18:28 <Xaroth> TrueBrain: Any luck yet? or they giving you the silent treatment 10:24:34 *** snorre [~snorre@c832BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 10:28:50 <Eddi|zuHause> cdemu is awfully slow... 10:30:56 <SmatZ> hello fonsinchen :) 10:31:13 <SmatZ> I don't know, ask Alberth :) 10:31:18 <SmatZ> but maybe someone else knows too 10:32:08 <Rubidium> it might be that the spacing is something the window does itself (only speculating though) 10:38:43 *** ButuhFreelanceCepat [~co_maen_j@85.238.144.30] has joined #openttd 10:38:44 *** ButuhFreelanceCepat [~co_maen_j@85.238.144.30] has left #openttd [] 10:49:52 <fonsinchen> no, you define the spacing (or rather padding) in the widgets declaration. For example: 10:49:52 <fonsinchen> NWidget(WWT_INSET, COLOUR_BROWN, SM_WIDGET_MAP), SetMinimalSize(346, 140), SetResize(1, 1), SetPadding(2, 2, 2, 2), EndContainer(), 10:49:52 <fonsinchen> This is not nice ... 10:50:38 <Noldo> those Set* functions seem interesting 10:52:13 <fonsinchen> oh, but it seems the smallmap has an extra padding ... 10:52:21 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@host86-129-5-71.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 10:52:42 <fonsinchen> as for example the station view window doesn't define a padding there. 10:58:39 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: funny enough, dihedral bought your comment and directed it immediatly to me :) 10:58:43 <TrueBrain> I should remember that reply ;) 11:02:22 <TrueBrain> Xaroth: I don't think EA is that fast :p 11:07:57 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.21.155.105] has joined #openttd 11:11:21 <Eddi|zuHause> gah, i should not do too many internet installations simultaneously... 11:11:41 <Eddi|zuHause> (meaning: two.) 11:13:30 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 11:14:23 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has left #openttd [] 11:20:32 *** Wikie [~Wikie@79.117.156.143] has joined #openttd 11:21:52 * Wikie pings Xaroth. 11:22:25 <TrueBrain> Xaroth: HIDE HIDE HIDE 11:22:31 <Wikie> LOL 11:22:49 <TrueBrain> who said that was funny? 11:22:59 <Wikie> TrueBrain, didn't you said you quit OTTD? 11:23:09 <Wikie> like, 2 or more years ago? 11:23:18 <Eddi|zuHause> like, 5 times already :p 11:23:19 <TrueBrain> I press the Exit Game button a lot, yes 11:23:47 <Eddi|zuHause> that's the problem with addictions, there is a high chance to fall back :p 11:23:53 <Wikie> heh 11:24:23 <OwenS> I've heard a guy say that the best way to get his project moving again when everythings going slow is to ragequit. Everyone miraculously starts working much harder :-P 11:27:18 <SmatZ> http://paste.openttd.org/191209 is anyone fixing that? 11:27:35 <Rubidium> you? 11:27:41 <TrueBrain> clearly: you! 11:27:50 <TrueBrain> dihedral would be very grateful :) 11:28:31 <Wikie> Why did you have to make your own pastebin? xD 11:28:45 <TrueBrain> did he really asked that? 11:28:48 <TrueBrain> or am I seeing things? 11:28:55 <Wikie> yes I did 11:29:31 * Wikie yells that you can't select the highlighted text without the line numbers. 11:30:01 *** Wikie was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [don't yell in this channel; it is not polite] 11:30:37 <dihedral> :-P 11:30:54 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r17163 /trunk/configure: -Fix (r7961): don't return exit value of rm 11:31:50 *** xmakina [~chatzilla@93.184.242.62] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.2/20090729225027]] 11:32:01 *** Wikie [~Wikie@79.117.156.143] has joined #openttd 11:32:12 <Wikie> nobody is serious with /me >.> 11:33:33 <Rubidium> nobody is serious. 11:33:43 <TrueBrain> hi, my name is nobody 11:34:03 <SmatZ> TrueBrain: there are many patches "nobody is going to implement" 11:34:10 <TrueBrain> DOH! :( 11:34:18 <Rubidium> so... how is cargodest going? 11:34:20 <TrueBrain> what did I told you a minute ago? :p 11:35:18 <Rubidium> I should go do some shopping? 11:35:36 <TrueBrain> please do some shopping for me 11:37:46 <Eddi|zuHause> <TrueBrain> hi, my name is nobody <- i like terrence hill ;) 11:50:55 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has joined #openttd 12:07:05 <fonsinchen> those buttons in the main viewport and the smallmap are all 22 pixels in both directions. Is there a reason why you haven't defined that in some central place? 12:10:18 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:12:18 *** Wikie [~Wikie@79.117.156.143] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:12:57 <TrueBrain> because you didn't do that yet? :) 12:13:32 <Rubidium> something with dried grapes going nuts 12:14:06 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:580:fb5c:ec31:234c] has joined #openttd 12:14:10 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:15:23 <dihedral> chocolate? 12:16:08 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: is bread and water enough? 12:16:23 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: yup 12:16:42 <Rubidium> then come and fetch it ;) 12:17:08 * TrueBrain runs to Rubidium 12:17:12 <TrueBrain> almost 7 hours of running 12:17:15 <TrueBrain> but who is complaining 12:17:27 <TrueBrain> 7? I guess even more .. 12:18:54 <dihedral> 7 would be way too fast :-P 12:19:17 <Rubidium> 183 km 12:19:18 <TrueBrain> 38 hours of normal walking 12:19:26 <TrueBrain> so ... 20 hours of non-stop running :p 12:19:26 <Rubidium> marathon takes 2 hours 12:19:32 <Rubidium> @calc 183/42*2 12:19:32 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: 8.71428571429 12:20:16 <TrueBrain> 9 hours? Lol :p 12:20:17 <TrueBrain> k :) 12:20:26 <TrueBrain> it is a pretty route to walk 12:20:31 <TrueBrain> Veluwe 12:20:41 <Xaroth> o_O 12:20:47 <Rubidium> Groene Hart :) 12:21:21 <Rubidium> 9 hours is quite optimistic though 12:21:24 * OwenS thinks TrueBrain running here would be more fun. Since he would either have to swim or cheat and take public transport across the channel :P 12:21:49 <Xaroth> He can run to calais, then keep running on the boat while it crosses 12:21:53 <Xaroth> technically not cheating 12:22:04 <TrueBrain> I can also run in the tunnel 12:22:05 <OwenS> Xaroth: Is if the boat moves faster than he can run 12:22:08 <TrueBrain> the maintance tunnel is big enough 12:22:14 <OwenS> TrueBrain: If they let you in ;-) 12:22:21 <Rubidium> @calc 183/42.195*(2 + 4/60) 12:22:21 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: 8.96314729233 12:22:30 <OwenS> Also, air pressures quite uncomfortable in the maintainance tunnel 12:22:33 <TrueBrain> OwenS: you should I had to cheat or swim 12:22:34 <Xaroth> OwenS: boats go faster than 6kmph :P 12:22:37 <TrueBrain> clearly, there are other ways :p 12:22:55 <Rubidium> you'd be running just about the world record marathon for the whole 183 km 12:23:15 <TrueBrain> so .. see you soon! :p 12:24:01 <OwenS> lol 12:25:47 <Rubidium> you'd run the marathon in 2h04:30(.59) 12:26:25 <Eddi|zuHause> Xaroth: you need a special license to steer a boat that goes faster than 5km/h 12:26:57 <TrueBrain> not in international waters :) 12:27:12 <OwenS> Is there any international waters in the channel? :p 12:27:24 <Xaroth> Eddi|zuHause: How about the ferry between calais and dover :P 12:27:29 <TrueBrain> were we talking about the channel only? :p 12:27:39 <OwenS> Well I thought you'd be crossing there :p 12:28:02 <TrueBrain> you assume so much :) And that all to just call me a cheater 12:28:04 <TrueBrain> I am offended! 12:29:49 <Eddi|zuHause> yes! it should be way easier to call TrueBrain a cheater! 12:30:21 <TrueBrain> ass 12:30:48 <Eddi|zuHause> come on, you enjoy that! :) 12:30:59 <TrueBrain> ;) 12:31:42 <Eddi|zuHause> i have a good news: i found the cable salad that used to be the wireing for the old railway setup! 12:31:53 <Eddi|zuHause> now i can build a DC and an AC circuit 12:32:06 <TrueBrain> WHOHO! 12:32:10 <Eddi|zuHause> (DC is for driving, AC is for controling the equipment) 12:32:11 <TrueBrain> that is indeed very good news :) 12:32:39 <Eddi|zuHause> (equipment = switches, signals) 12:34:28 <Rubidium> no 25 kV for the overhead wires? 12:34:33 <OwenS> Salad? We tend to say Spaghetti 12:34:55 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... it's "Kabelsalat" over here... 12:35:52 <SmatZ> hehehe :) 12:36:39 * Rubidium envisions two dogs eating wire 12:38:57 <fonsinchen> Smatz, I have made those zoom buttons visibly depress when clicked and I have enumified some constants. 12:39:24 *** Wikie [~Wikie@79.117.156.143] has joined #openttd 12:40:02 <Rubidium> oh noes... the Viking's going to kill us... :) 12:40:08 <SmatZ> fonsinchen: great :) 12:40:16 <SmatZ> hehe 12:40:41 <Wikie> wut viking? 12:40:51 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: two dogs? 12:41:27 <Eddi|zuHause> "Wikie der Wikinger" 12:41:40 <Wikie> wut? 12:41:46 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/22/Lady%26tramp.png :) 12:41:47 <Eddi|zuHause> that was a looong time ago 12:42:15 <Rubidium> Wikie: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki_de_Viking 12:42:38 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: I made that joke yesterday too :p 12:42:57 <Rubidium> not that the viking is going to kill us! 12:43:02 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: ah, yes, i know that one... not the first association i'd get :p 12:43:11 <TrueBrain> the reference, sigh .. :p 12:43:12 <Wikie> Rubidium, ahh. My nick isn't related to that. 12:43:14 *** xmakina [~chatzilla@93.184.242.62] has joined #openttd 12:44:49 <Eddi|zuHause> but "Wikie the Mad Assassin" doesn't sound that much better either... 12:45:55 <Rubidium> "Wikie the desolate and mad assassin" 12:50:03 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r17164 /trunk/src/airport_gui.cpp: -Fix: crash when clicking on the spacer in the build airport GUI 13:02:32 <Xaroth> Rubidium: You give him too much credit :P 13:02:38 *** Polygon [~Poly@sandbender-macbook.visitors.har2009.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:04:41 *** reldred1 [~reldred@115.131.211.24] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:08:43 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 13:10:25 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 13:11:25 *** dfox [~dfox@r11jn246.net.upc.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:22:22 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 13:27:01 *** Polygon [~Poly@87.76.88.28] has joined #openttd 13:27:36 *** Sacro_ [~ben@static-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 13:29:36 *** dfox [~dfox@r11jn246.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 13:38:57 *** Sacro_ [~ben@static-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Sacro_] 13:40:37 <glx> Ammler: where can I get ottdcoop pack 7.3 ? (as ottdcoop wiki is dead) 13:41:32 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83C0D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:42:16 *** Polygon [~Poly@87.76.88.28] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:43:44 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83E81.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 13:43:47 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 13:45:36 <Xaroth> glx: there's a 'backup' wiki iirc 13:45:46 <Xaroth> www.openttdcoop.ammler.ch 13:46:55 <planetmaker> and the svn server is on another machine, too 13:47:10 <Xaroth> it speaketh :o 13:47:13 <Xaroth> o/ planetmaker 13:47:21 <planetmaker> salut :-) 13:47:26 <Xaroth> bonjour 13:47:33 <glx> doesn't help for the packs as the links point to broken wiki :) 13:48:36 <glx> ok svn works :) 13:48:41 <planetmaker> http://svn.openttdcoop.org/grfpack/tags/ottdc_grfpack/ 14:00:11 <welshdragon> where can i find out what DorpsGek is? 14:00:30 <TrueBrain> in the stars 14:00:34 <DorpsGek> or in a book 14:00:40 *** manadude2 [~James@87.112.67.207.plusnet.ptn-ag2.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 14:00:51 *** manadude2 [~James@87.112.67.207.plusnet.ptn-ag2.dyn.plus.net] has left #openttd [] 14:01:10 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe you should just ask him? :p 14:01:31 <welshdragon> DorpsGek: do you use scripts? 14:01:31 <DorpsGek> welshdragon: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). 14:01:51 <welshdragon> i am registered 14:01:57 <Sacro> he's a supybot 14:01:59 <DorpsGek> Also can I add that your question is relative vague? 14:02:18 <welshdragon> DorpsGek: do you use irssi scripts? 14:02:18 <DorpsGek> welshdragon: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). 14:02:37 <DorpsGek> Please continue this conversation via a PM 14:02:46 <welshdragon> no 14:02:54 <welshdragon> i'll just get errors 14:03:04 *** welshdragon was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [yes] 14:03:07 *** welshdragon [~welshdrag@80.247.163.137] has joined #openttd 14:03:27 <welshdragon> Rubidium: stop that 14:04:26 <glx> who said it was Rubidium ? 14:04:48 <Rubidium> glx: huh? 14:05:03 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: lol :) 14:05:04 <welshdragon> as only ops can abuse DorpsGek like that :P 14:05:30 *** mode/#openttd [+o planetmaker] by DorpsGek 14:05:43 <xmakina> OMFG 14:05:57 <welshdragon> planetmaker: ? 14:06:01 *** mode/#openttd [-o planetmaker] by DorpsGek 14:06:16 <xmakina> welshdragon: do a whois on DropsGek :P 14:06:37 <welshdragon> username: TrueBrain 14:07:38 <DorpsGek> xmakina: and? 14:08:17 <xmakina> DropsGek: so? 14:08:27 <glx> xmakina: doesn't mean he's the only one able to command it 14:08:39 <Rubidium> oh god... are you playing with that stupid bot again? 14:08:43 <TrueBrain> in fact .. nothing means anything .. such a harsh world 14:08:50 *** Chris_Booth_ [~chatzilla@client-82-20-30-97.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 14:09:17 <welshdragon> TrueBrain: i like the translation of DorpsGek: Village Idiot :P 14:09:29 * Rubidium wonders what he's missing; must be a lot 14:09:38 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: a good laugh, that is all :) 14:09:58 <Rubidium> but... my ignore list doesn't list 'laugh' :( 14:10:03 <Rubidium> stupid IRC client 14:10:54 <Rubidium> and for a good laugh I usually read some BOFH 14:11:16 <petern> or refactor bjarni's code 14:11:17 <welshdragon> so, i can't find out what DorpsGek is :( 14:11:31 *** Polygon [~Poly@87.76.88.28] has joined #openttd 14:11:40 <TrueBrain> welshdragon: that is most likely more related to your lack of asking than to anything else 14:11:55 <petern> didn't sacro answer? 14:12:00 <welshdragon> TrueBrain: how does DorpsGek work? 14:12:04 <TrueBrain> welshdragon: not so well 14:12:29 <welshdragon> is it a bunch of scripts, or a server based bot? 14:12:42 <TrueBrain> server based bot? 14:12:58 <TrueBrain> and isn't a bot also a bunch of scripts? 14:13:37 <welshdragon> and isn't a bot also a bunch of scripts? < well, yes, but which ones, and what irc client does it use? 14:13:51 <TrueBrain> have you read what Sacro said, or did you just choise to ignore him? 14:13:53 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-81-107-220-107.glfd.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:13:58 *** Chris_Booth_ is now known as Chris_Booth 14:14:20 <welshdragon> ah, a supybot 14:14:42 <petern> he might be wrong of course 14:14:51 <TrueBrain> there is always that chance .. 14:15:18 <xmakina> and, tbh, i thought a supybot was just a mis-spell of spybot and he was trying to be funny 14:15:36 <TrueBrain> xmakina: one search-engine query later and you would have known 14:15:56 <xmakina> indeed - but then i don't usually search engine misspelt jokes 14:15:59 <xmakina> :P 14:16:26 <TrueBrain> hmm .. python3 requires a bytestream for send(), but nowhere I can find how to create such stream from a string :p 14:16:36 <petern> y did da chckn x da rd? 14:17:16 <Eddi|zuHause> english only. 14:17:42 <welshdragon> 2 get 2 da uvver side? 14:18:35 <petern> it didn't, it was too busy writing an sms and got run over 14:19:11 <xmakina> ?_? 14:19:18 <welshdragon> -_- 14:22:11 <TrueBrain> either way, welshdragon, why would you want to know what DorpsGek is made of? 14:22:37 <welshdragon> as i'd like a DorpsGek type bot for a few of my channels 14:22:47 <TrueBrain> so pick any bot out there 14:22:49 <TrueBrain> there are plenty 14:23:06 <welshdragon> hmm 14:23:45 <petern> write your own 14:23:47 <petern> you might learn something 14:23:51 <welshdragon> heh 14:23:58 <welshdragon> 'never do it again" 14:24:26 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17165 /trunk/docs/ (obg_format.txt obs_format.txt): -Update: tweak obs/obg format description slightly 14:35:48 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77DD6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:36:17 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77DD6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:39:41 *** Polygon [~Poly@87.76.88.28] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:40:23 <xmakina> it's a shame that Roelmb chap is a total douche - the project he's crashing into the ground sounds kinda interesting 14:40:36 <Xaroth> o_O 14:41:45 <xmakina> i like the scale of the whole thing and the way it'll be all player managed 14:41:48 *** Wikie [~Wikie@79.117.156.143] has quit [Quit: What? WAIT noooo don't pull that pl...] 14:42:24 *** Pygmalion [~quassel@88.151.27.234] has joined #openttd 14:43:42 <Xaroth> xmakina: I think I missed something so I have absolutely no clue what yer on about :P 14:44:08 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-209-23.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 14:44:10 <xmakina> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=44701 14:44:28 <xmakina> but then he went and fagged everything up over in: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=44736 14:45:40 <PeterT> who did? 14:47:01 <xmakina> roelmb 14:47:12 <PeterT> yeah, i know him 14:47:21 <PeterT> hes from clanmega.warlink.eu 14:47:35 <PeterT> and someone asked him to patch IS and cargodest 14:47:47 <PeterT> so he does the oppposite and asks someone to do it for him 14:47:53 <xmakina> lol 14:48:06 <xmakina> as i said - cool idea for a project but total numpty at the helm 14:49:34 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 14:49:50 <PeterT> yeah 14:51:25 * Xaroth shrugs 14:51:30 <Xaroth> He's doing it all wrong 14:52:32 <SmatZ> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=809621#p809621 14:52:37 <SmatZ> Yexo: it's unfinished 14:52:45 <SmatZ> Roelmb: finish it then 14:52:50 <SmatZ> what a funny man :) 14:53:11 <xmakina> he made me lol :) 14:53:28 <xmakina> but at him, not with him 14:53:37 <SmatZ> ;) 14:53:39 <PeterT> you make me lol 14:54:07 <Rubidium> it is that moving topics in phpbb is such a hassle, otherwise I might've moved it to another forum 14:54:29 <Rubidium> annoying entity 14:55:02 <PeterT> its a hassle? 14:55:07 <PeterT> when i was a mod its easy 14:55:16 <PeterT> click moderator control panal 14:55:20 <PeterT> moderate forum 14:55:24 <PeterT> search for the damn topic 14:55:36 <PeterT> move -> garbage 14:56:28 <Rubidium> like, where's the "move to spam bin and don't ask me whether I'm sure, just do it"-button? 14:56:48 <PeterT> :) 14:57:00 <xmakina> :) 14:59:59 <PeterT> is it possible to join a server with win palleted grfs, while carrying dos - palleted ones 15:00:13 <Ammler> yes 15:00:35 <PeterT> ok 15:00:48 <PeterT> i thought i read somewhere that it isnt 15:01:12 <Ammler> Rubidium: could someone use the base extra GRFID to detect which base graphics are loaded? 15:01:21 <glx> well every client must use the same newgrf 15:01:55 <Rubidium> Ammler: no 15:02:06 <Rubidium> and neither are we going to support that 15:02:26 <Ammler> desyncy :-) 15:02:47 *** Polygon [~Poly@87.76.88.28] has joined #openttd 15:04:55 <Ammler> hmm, would it make sense to use same ID as the openttd.grf? 15:05:22 <Rubidium> got one based on the palette 15:05:26 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.76] has joined #openttd 15:05:36 *** bb10 [~nn@dhcp-077-248-075-030.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 15:05:36 <PeterT> where can i download the individual graphics of opengfx? 15:05:46 <Eddi|zuHause> PeterT: that used to be problematic in the past when using newgrfs, but now you can use the windows newgrfs and switch palettes 15:06:00 <PeterT> so i was correct 15:06:01 <Ammler> PeterT: read the readme 15:06:19 <PeterT> i read that in older versions it would cause desyncs 15:07:04 <Rubidium> Ammler: but ... reading readmes is for the people who got nothing better to do than annoy others with their already answered questions 15:07:09 <Ammler> nobody cares about old versions. 15:08:08 <Ammler> hmm, maybe we could make youtube move, who someone is reading the readme. 15:08:25 <Ammler> where* 15:08:26 <PeterT> the readme has 5 sections, 15:08:29 <PeterT> about, license 15:08:39 <PeterT> installing, reporting bugs, credits 15:09:14 <Ammler> the license should tell you where/how you get the source 15:09:54 <PeterT> OpenTTD is licensed under the GNU General Public License version 2.0. 15:09:54 <PeterT> For more information, see the file 'COPYING'. 15:10:24 <PeterT> im guessing i open 'COPYING' with text ed? 15:10:36 <TrueBrain> of course reading a random README indeed is what Ammler suggested :) 15:11:09 <PeterT> this is the readme of OpenGFX 15:11:57 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, i always read the readme of windows media player when i want to know stuff about age of empires 15:14:56 <glx> Ammler: I suggest you use a GRFID starting with 0xFF for opengfx_extra 15:15:09 <petern> OOMPA 15:15:14 <petern> LOOMPA 15:15:20 <petern> STICK IT UP YOUR JOOMPA 15:17:08 * xmakina facepalms 15:18:18 <xmakina> get this: on the megaindustrytycoon forums I tell the rolemb fellow: "you have some sound ideas" to which he replied "we never thought off implenting sound" 15:19:28 <PeterT> LOL 15:19:33 <PeterT> ahaha 15:19:40 <PeterT> i have to show you a hillarious topic 15:19:55 <PeterT> the devs probably dont even remember this one 15:21:07 <PeterT> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=44432 15:21:10 <PeterT> look at thi 15:23:36 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not sure what you are trying to tell us. 15:23:58 <PeterT> its funny 15:24:03 <Rubidium> that he has no live? 15:24:10 <Rubidium> or life? 15:24:19 <TrueBrain> that he is not a funny person? 15:24:47 <PeterT> look at what dalestan said 15:24:56 <PeterT> sorry for highlight 15:25:12 <PeterT> never mind, he isnt here 15:25:29 * petern ponders doing something fun 15:25:38 <petern> like... i dunno, watching paint dry 15:26:01 <TrueBrain> now that _is_ funny :) 15:26:06 * planetmaker silently falls asleep 15:26:14 <planetmaker> too much fun and laughter, I guess 15:26:29 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i seem to have lost my flash plugin... 15:26:48 <planetmaker> as long as it's not your flesh plug in :-P 15:26:50 <Eddi|zuHause> someone help me search for it? 15:26:53 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dreamxtre@92.27.146.65] has joined #openttd 15:27:14 <Dreamxtreme> HI all 15:27:20 <xmakina> oh hai 15:27:20 <Eddi|zuHause> i have difficulties imagining a "flesh plug" getting lost... 15:27:27 <Dreamxtreme> how do i put a map in downloadable content thing 15:27:32 <Eddi|zuHause> except you are a woman 15:27:37 <planetmaker> hehe :-P I don't want to imagine it in detail. 15:27:49 <xmakina> put it in the downloaded_content (or something like that) folder 15:27:49 <Eddi|zuHause> or you want to be 15:28:07 <Rubidium> xmakina: that's not quite what he's asking for 15:28:18 <xmakina> oh you mean bananas? 15:28:20 <Rubidium> Dreamxtreme: heightmap (.png) or scenario (.scn) go to content.openttd.org 15:28:36 <Rubidium> you've got to make an account and use the "manager" thingy 15:28:44 <Dreamxtreme> ok thanks 15:28:58 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dreamxtre@92.27.146.65] has quit [] 15:32:20 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@host86-129-5-71.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:32:40 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@host86-129-5-71.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 15:42:15 *** Markk [markk@rikskriminalen.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:42:51 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77DD6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:43:07 <OwenS> "Uncanceled Echo: 2.7 dB Suspicious - check phone filters and alarm" Interesting. I would if it wasn't going away on Monday :p 15:44:08 <Rubidium> OwenS: I see no reason why they can't fix that before then :) 15:44:19 <OwenS> Thats an issue my end :p 15:45:34 <OwenS> And I'm inclined to believe it may be the alarm or the fact that the router is upstairs along ~2.5m of unshielded phone cable along side some power cables :p 15:46:16 <TrueBrain> remind me to break into your whatever on Monday 15:46:22 <OwenS> why? 15:46:33 <TrueBrain> as I have some room it seems :p 15:46:42 <OwenS> Huh? 15:47:35 <TrueBrain> the irony of what you say: you are told to check your alarm, but you don't as you go away on Monday 15:47:47 <TrueBrain> like you are told your frontdoor doesn't close, but you don't fix it, as you go away 15:47:52 <TrueBrain> understand? No? Too bad. 15:48:08 <OwenS> It means check the alarm's phone connection has an ADSL filter on it :p 15:48:14 <OwenS> And I don't go away on Monday - the ADSL does :p 15:48:25 <TrueBrain> fair enough 15:48:43 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77DD6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:49:07 <OwenS> Though it can't be the alarm as ours isn't phone connected :p 15:49:28 <TrueBrain> lol 15:49:49 <OwenS> Which is probably a good thing with the propensity of furry creatures to set it off 15:50:21 *** Markk [markk@rikskriminalen.com] has joined #openttd 15:50:55 <Eddi|zuHause> you have trouble with tribbles? 15:51:09 <OwenS> Hehe, but no, cats :p 15:51:51 <TrueBrain> alarm not phone connected .. good thing as cats can set it off? 15:52:38 <Eddi|zuHause> if cats set off your alarms, you have the wrong alarm set up 15:52:48 <TrueBrain> and it has little to do with phone-connected or not .. 15:53:21 *** Polygon [~Poly@87.76.88.28] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:54:16 <OwenS> Eddi|zuHause: They rarely do so now. But if they manage to push a door open? ... 15:55:42 *** fjb_ [~frank@p5485B17C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:56:46 <Eddi|zuHause> if your doors are open, what do you need an alarm for? 15:57:32 <TrueBrain> maybe he considers his cats the alarm 15:57:35 <TrueBrain> silly 16:02:32 *** fjb [~frank@p5485E82A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:04:27 *** xmakina [~chatzilla@93.184.242.62] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:04:33 *** tdev [~udev@p57B7FFD0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: free open source vehicle simulator: http://rigsofrods.com] 16:05:23 *** xmakina [~chatzilla@93.184.242.62] has joined #openttd 16:05:41 *** thd [~thd@gssn-590f89fc.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 16:06:15 *** Westie [~westie@westie-cat.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:06:21 <thd> some german speaking people? 16:07:13 <TrueBrain> this is a english only channel, so why not give it a shot in english? 16:07:30 <Sacro> zomg germans *hides* 16:07:36 <Westie> because English is too hard 16:07:38 <Westie> obviously. 16:08:49 <thd> because my problem is difficult and my english is terrible :) 16:08:57 <TrueBrain> you are doing fine so far 16:09:47 <Belugas> hint : one word at a time. slowly but surely 16:10:02 <Belugas> or go to the german forums... 16:10:29 <thd> ok, I will try it. I have a understanding problem with the signals. If I use one station for two trains with the same route, it works perfekt, but if the route is differtent and I use 4 trains and two stations it doesn't work 16:10:44 <thd> (it takes a little bit to write) :-) 16:10:49 <TrueBrain> screenshot? 16:11:18 <thd> where can I post some screens? 16:11:34 <TrueBrain> on the forums is mostly the response .. but any image upload thingy will do :p 16:11:43 <Eddi|zuHause> imageshak? 16:11:48 <Westie> uploadffs? 16:11:55 <Sacro> pastebin? 16:12:04 <Westie> yes, base64 the screenshot 16:12:08 <Westie> and stick it on pastebin! 16:12:18 <thd> thanks, one minute :) 16:12:22 <TrueBrain> shall we try to help this person, instead of giving insanly stupid suggestions? 16:12:35 <Westie> yeah, use something like imageshack, uploadffs, etc 16:12:35 <TrueBrain> with all those line numbers the base64 will be lost forever :p 16:12:35 <Eddi|zuHause> no. 16:13:02 <Westie> TrueBrain, look below the paste, there's a form w/o any line numbers :3 16:13:06 <Eddi|zuHause> there's a german forum, btw 16:13:07 <TrueBrain> ssstttttt 16:13:14 <Eddi|zuHause> on tt-ms.de 16:13:16 * Sacro hunts for the orange book 16:14:28 <Eddi|zuHause> man. #kde is a horribly unresponsive channel... 16:14:37 <Eddi|zuHause> (on freenode) 16:14:51 <Belugas> wicked wicked time 16:15:14 * Belugas goes back in hibernation 16:15:44 <petern> hee 16:16:01 <thd> ok, http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/7674/screen1caa.png 16:16:10 <thd> here you can see what is working 16:16:28 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... something is screwed up... kaffeine does not show videos anymore unless it's in full screen... 16:16:53 <thd> two trains for each station on the right 16:17:20 <thd> but they can only use one stage of the station 16:18:04 <thd> now i want to mix it, so that they can change the stages of the station. But den they don't finde the right way back 16:18:16 <thd> do you have any ideas? 16:18:29 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77DD6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:18:34 <TrueBrain> maglev is one of the worst rail-track, as you can't always see which pieces are built 16:18:51 <TrueBrain> but can you also give an image of where you connected them? (how you think it should be done) 16:19:09 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77DD6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:20:24 <thd> oh, so I can rebuild it with the normal rail if you want. 16:20:31 <thd> if it looks better 16:20:41 <TrueBrain> just show us first what you want to do :) 16:22:57 <planetmaker> there's no need to re-build. Just use convert tracks. 16:22:57 <thd> ok, one moment please :) 16:26:50 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:29:11 <thd> ok, I've converted and this is, what I want but i doesn't work. here is the link http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/1116/screen2w.png 16:29:37 <TrueBrain> I think you need to read up on how signals work 16:29:46 *** Polygon [~Poly@sandbender-macbook.visitors.har2009.net] has joined #openttd 16:29:52 <TrueBrain> there is now a train on the top left tracks, which of course make all the signals you have turn to read 16:30:15 <thd> hm, I've read this. http://wiki.openttd.org/Signals is there any more documentation? 16:31:18 <thd> oh, ok, I see I've forgotten two signals on the screenshot, but if I put it in, it doesn't work anyway 16:31:21 *** xmakina [~chatzilla@93.184.242.62] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.2/20090729225027]] 16:31:30 <TrueBrain> your setup is asking for deadlocks, yes 16:31:55 <TrueBrain> you will need more advanced signals. You will need to read about them in order to use them. 16:32:17 <planetmaker> a way better solution would be to have pre-signaled X in front of each station 16:32:23 <TrueBrain> well, I guess with 4 trains it would run :) 16:32:24 <planetmaker> and one-way tracks to and from 16:32:27 <PeterT> or pbs 16:32:29 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77DD6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:32:37 <PeterT> how new are you thd? 16:32:39 <TrueBrain> but yes, PBS would make your life much easier 16:32:49 <planetmaker> too easy :-P 16:32:54 <TrueBrain> PeterT: are you asking for his age? :s 16:33:05 <PeterT> new? 16:33:09 <PeterT> new to openttd? 16:33:10 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77DD6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:33:57 <Eddi|zuHause> http://uwe.s2000.ws/ttdx/signal/index.php?lang=de 16:33:58 <thd> PeterT, not realy I play it over 2 years, but only for fun, but now I want to use the signals more than normal :) 16:34:26 <PeterT> eddi zuhause's link is pretty good 16:34:44 <thd> http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/3175/screen3zyd.png there I put two more signals 16:34:58 <keoz> thd : put four more signal on the straight line, to limite the conjunction to a little block 16:35:04 <thd> Eddi|zuHause, thanks for the link I will read it. 16:35:19 <TrueBrain> thd: that shot works, for 4 trains 16:35:21 <Eddi|zuHause> especially the bit about the path signals in openttd 16:35:29 <planetmaker> wow. Two years... 16:35:30 <Eddi|zuHause> they are much easier to handle (imho) 16:35:50 <PeterT> instead of having 1 lane for each triain (deadlocks!), you should have 1 lane going to the destination, then 1 lane coming from the destination 16:35:51 <thd> TrueBrain, but it doesn't the trains lost there right route from time to time 16:37:01 <TrueBrain> I see no reason why not, if there isn't a piece of rail missing. Either way, the link of Eddi|zuHause explains a few things you might find useful. 16:37:24 <thd> PeterT, thats right, that's my old way, but now I want to use two ore more destinations, because of the speedimprofment for the trains 16:37:48 <PeterT> should i show you? or do you understand? 16:37:51 <planetmaker> thd, well. But PeterT's suggestion is still correct. 16:38:06 <planetmaker> it is actually the only way to build a huge network. 16:38:20 <PeterT> type this into the chat "/join #openttdcoop" 16:39:18 *** goodger [~ben@host86-156-58-147.range86-156.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: +++ Out Of Cheese Error +++] 16:39:31 * planetmaker is also out-of-cheese :-( 16:39:47 * planetmaker has better error handling, though :-P 16:40:31 <PeterT> best station to use, thd, is called ro-ro, which stands for roll in, roll out 16:42:02 <thd> petern, what do you mean? Sorry, but I don't understand this. This screenshot shows, why it doen't work: http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4346/screen4v.png Do you see the train in the middle? 16:43:16 <PeterT> you have "allow 90 degree turns" on, thats why 16:43:25 <PeterT> i am making a screen shot now, just wait 16:43:42 <thd> thanks :-) 16:44:24 <petern> ? 16:44:40 <TrueBrain> thd: CTRL+S makes a screenshot too 16:45:32 <TrueBrain> thd: wasn't that train going to the depot, and that you cut the line to it off? 16:45:38 <planetmaker> thd: mind the difference between T and n in the nicknames ;-) 16:46:15 <PeterT> petern, he wrote your name instead of mine 16:46:42 <thd> no, I cut the way to the depot, because it make more trouble and whitout its easyer to explain 16:47:03 <thd> oh, sorry 16:47:39 <thd> I've just presst tab once :) 16:49:46 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEd958.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:50:06 <PeterT> your lucky im doing all this work to teach you roro ;0 16:50:24 <PeterT> http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/1443/fluworthtransport21stau.png 16:50:37 <thd> thank you verry much! :) 16:52:53 <PeterT> welcome, just do me a favor and keep learning 16:53:22 <thd> ok, one question, is it right, in your case it is not importet which train comes in which station? In my case it is importet not to mix the trains of "saalwald west" and "salwald transfer" 16:54:36 <thd> as you can see, two of them are "oil trains" and two are "people trains" 16:55:50 <PeterT> yeah? 16:56:14 <PeterT> just make sure of this, you understand my screenie 16:57:41 <thd> hm, I'm not quite shure if I've explaint it corrctly If put a screenshot of the real game: http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/4153/screen5aao.png 16:57:53 <petern> sure 16:57:57 <planetmaker> thd, the trains have orders. they only go to the stations they're ordered to go to - unless you really screw up tracks and/or signaling. 16:58:11 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-81-109-185-122.hers.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 16:58:45 <thd> hm 16:59:32 <thd> ok, then I will rebuild this example 16:59:32 <planetmaker> the screeny you just post is... not showing an ingenious solution. 16:59:36 <thd> to understand :) 17:00:16 <planetmaker> (and doesn't tell much as both ends of the tracks are "undefined" - e.g. we don't know what follows 17:00:19 <thd> no, that is the working one. but now i will mix the 3 tunnels (at the end there is the station) 17:00:45 <planetmaker> btw: use Ctrl+S in order to make an ingame screenshot. 17:02:00 <thd> planetmaker, ok :) 17:04:58 *** Elton05612 [~Delphi@201008131188.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #openttd 17:05:48 <PeterT> they are stored at /OpenTTD 17:05:56 <PeterT> shared directory 17:06:02 <PeterT> i dont know what it is for linux 17:06:36 <keoz> ~/.openttd/screenshots 17:06:58 <planetmaker> ~/.openttd 17:07:06 <keoz> yes, sorry 17:09:55 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.162.40] has joined #openttd 17:11:15 <PeterT> is there a way of altering where the shared directory is? 17:11:59 *** fjb_ is now known as fjb 17:13:56 *** tdev [~udev@p508EA224.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:13:58 <dihedral> find / -type f -name "openttd.cfg" 17:14:06 <dihedral> or use ./openttd -d 9 17:17:13 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.200.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:17:42 *** Lisby [~l@d40a979c.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #openttd 17:17:56 <thd> PeterT, many thanks for your help. Now I have en example. (and a german docu) :) 17:18:00 <thd> by 17:18:08 *** thd [~thd@gssn-590f89fc.pool.einsundeins.de] has left #openttd [Verlassend] 17:18:13 <PeterT> good bye 17:18:35 <PeterT> dihedral, were you answering my question? 17:18:54 <dihedral> yup 17:18:55 <Ammler> [19:11] <PeterT> is there a way of altering where the shared directory is? <--why should you want that? 17:19:28 <PeterT> will the reason change the answer? 17:19:34 <Ammler> yes 17:19:37 <Ammler> :-) 17:19:38 <PeterT> really? 17:19:39 <KenjiE20> reason might provide an answer 17:19:53 <Ammler> now the answer is "read the readme" 17:20:06 <PeterT> because, i have alot of things at Documents, and its getting loaded 17:20:25 <OwenS> Well, if you were using a Unix machine it would be trivial :p 17:20:36 <Ammler> and you don't want those loaded? 17:20:50 <KenjiE20> well, that's the idea of documents 17:20:53 <PeterT> its just alot 17:21:08 <KenjiE20> its YOUR job to figure what you need there and what not 17:21:13 <Ammler> my openttd needs around 20 secs to load 17:21:28 <glx> Ammler: you have too many grfs ;) 17:21:32 <Ammler> :-D 17:22:09 <Ammler> well, maybe less, but it feels like ;-) 17:22:25 <OwenS> For me about 4. Perhaps reduced by the fact I have a RAID array 17:22:42 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77DD6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:22:43 <OwenS> I mean... I can't imagine Ammler has that many more GRFs than I :p 17:23:16 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77DD6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:23:39 <Ammler> maybe the 32bpp tars 17:23:47 <glx> that too 17:24:06 <Ammler> will they loaded, also if I don't enable the blitter? 17:24:14 <Ammler> -ed 17:24:41 <glx> all tars are scanned 17:25:02 <Ammler> I might also have redundancy :-) 17:27:58 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-82-20-30-97.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:29:47 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-81-109-185-122.hers.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: Tsch?ss] 17:30:08 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-81-109-185-122.hers.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 17:42:09 <PeterT> thanks kenjiE20 17:42:33 *** z-MaTRiX [~matrix@index.linuxsecured.net] has joined #openttd 17:42:35 <KenjiE20> well you wanted a !quit 17:42:56 <z-MaTRiX> hey-ho 17:43:44 <PeterT> quit the game! kenji 17:43:52 <PeterT> thats why i added ! 17:43:58 <KenjiE20> be careful what you wish for 17:44:26 <PeterT> next time when i !quit, kick me from the game 17:44:30 <PeterT> not irc 17:44:42 <Xaroth> lol 17:44:45 <Xaroth> that was just funny 17:44:49 <PeterT> :) 17:45:17 <KenjiE20> to be fair, I did both 17:45:29 <PeterT> how kind of you 17:45:45 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r17166 /trunk/src/lang/ (6 files): (log message trimmed) 17:45:45 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:45 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: bulgarian - 29 changes by Tvel 17:45:45 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: simplified_chinese - 2 changes by ww9980 17:45:45 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: traditional_chinese - 5 changes by Kwokfu 17:45:47 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: greek - 146 changes by fumantsu 17:45:47 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: indonesian - 10 changes by prof 17:46:26 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host170-175-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 17:46:37 <Wolf01> hi! 17:47:05 *** Lisby^ [~l@d40a979c.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #openttd 17:47:06 *** Lisby^ [~l@d40a979c.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [] 17:47:41 <Wolf01> gah.. WolframAlpha doesn't know what I mean with "remember position of lost objects" 17:48:24 <planetmaker> PeterT, just don't use !quit either :-) 17:48:29 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ff1ed.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 17:48:47 <planetmaker> we don't like people "try" our bot's or server's kill commands. 17:50:13 *** Lisby [~l@d40a979c.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:50:47 <planetmaker> especially with a history of doing so... 17:50:48 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-81-109-185-122.hers.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: Tsch?ss] 17:51:30 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-209-23.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:56:30 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CC0D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:56:49 *** Wolle [DrJekyll@p57B0C799.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:03:10 *** Yexo [~Yexo@ip51cca4b5.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 18:03:19 <Yexo> good evening 18:03:28 <Wolf01> evening Yexo 18:05:34 <TrueBrain> howdie Yexo :) 18:05:45 <Yexo> hi TrueBrain :) 18:05:47 <Yexo> how are you today? 18:05:54 <TrueBrain> good good :) 18:05:55 <TrueBrain> you? 18:06:01 <Yexo> fine :) 18:06:20 <Yexo> only 1 day left of my summer job :) 18:06:27 <TrueBrain> time for celebration? 18:06:41 <Yexo> tomorrow, yes :) 18:17:17 *** Nickman87 [~nick.defr@d54C3F29D.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:17:50 *** xmakina [~xmakina@87.115.8.80] has joined #openttd 18:23:25 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm110.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 18:28:49 *** trr [~terryrozz@CPE001346b780bd-CM001692fb4d56.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 18:28:54 <trr> Hello 18:29:09 <trr> Where do I download opponents from? 18:29:13 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:29:22 <xmakina> in OpenTTD 18:29:28 <xmakina> click Check Online Content 18:29:31 <trr> inside the game? 18:29:32 <TrueBrain> in the game, press Download Content or what is it called 18:29:33 <trr> oh ok thanks 18:29:35 <xmakina> yes 18:29:37 <trr> cheers 18:30:33 <trr> doesn't let me download 18:30:39 <trr> do I need to go to the URL? 18:30:48 <trr> oh nm 18:31:57 *** trr [~terryrozz@CPE001346b780bd-CM001692fb4d56.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [] 18:36:03 *** Polygon [~Poly@sandbender-macbook.visitors.har2009.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:50:11 *** Nickman87 [~nick.defr@d54C3F29D.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:55:50 *** voker57 [~voker57@85.173.18.222] has joined #openttd 19:01:47 *** xmakina [~xmakina@87.115.8.80] has quit [] 19:02:25 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:02:53 *** mode/#openttd [+v Rubidium] by ChanServ 19:03:00 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 19:03:28 <SmatZ> hello Nite_Owl 19:03:45 <Nite_Owl> Hello SmatZ 19:03:54 <TrueBrain> hello SmatZ 19:03:55 <TrueBrain> hello Nite_Owl 19:04:13 <Nite_Owl> Hello TrueBrain 19:04:38 <SmatZ> hello TrueBrain 19:07:46 *** Elton05612 [~Delphi@201008131188.user.veloxzone.com.br] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:12:07 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-209-23.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:12:33 *** Hirundo [~Hirundo@ammler.ch] has quit [Quit: Bye - http.//dev.openttdcoop.org] 19:12:33 *** Ammler [~ammler@ammler.ch] has quit [Quit: gone...] 19:13:52 *** Hirundo [~Hirundo@ammler.ch] has joined #openttd 19:14:23 *** R0b0t1 [~Enigma@64-136-216-213.dyn.everestkc.net] has joined #openttd 19:14:35 *** Ammler [~ammler@ammler.ch] has joined #openttd 19:20:56 *** PeteT [~Peter@c-76-19-209-23.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:20:56 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-209-23.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:22:15 *** PeteT is now known as PeterT 19:24:22 <PeterT> is cin.get(); used in Openttd coding? 19:24:36 *** Hirundo [~Hirundo@ammler.ch] has quit [Quit: Bye - http.//dev.openttdcoop.org] 19:24:36 *** Ammler [~ammler@ammler.ch] has quit [Quit: gone...] 19:24:40 <TrueBrain> the questions get more and more amuzing 19:25:21 *** Hirundo [~Hirundo@ammler.ch] has joined #openttd 19:25:41 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm110.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:25:45 <PeterT> sorry truebrain 19:25:46 * Rubidium is so happy he misses said questions 19:26:01 <Rubidium> no need to worry about the stupidity of them 19:26:03 *** Ammler [~ammler@ammler.ch] has joined #openttd 19:26:18 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: but you miss the laugh in it :) 19:26:28 *** Ammler is now known as Guest9 19:26:45 <TrueBrain> PeterT: if you want to know, search for it in the code; seems obvious, not? 19:27:10 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: you ARE aware that Windows' search in text files 'feature' doesn't work AT all 19:27:25 <Xaroth> Rubidium: so? it'd be a challenge :) 19:27:27 <PeterT> is it possible to search through .cpp? 19:27:37 <Xaroth> PeterT: It's plaintext... 19:27:47 <Xaroth> open it up in notepad, wordpad or whateverpad 19:27:53 <PeterT> with VC++ 19:28:03 <Xaroth> or vc++ 19:28:37 <KenjiE20> or if you want to be sagriligous windows -> search inside 19:28:46 <KenjiE20> (yes I know that's spelt wrong) 19:29:03 <Alberth> or convert to Word files first, then search :p 19:29:20 <Xaroth> Alberth: Heathen. 19:29:23 <PeterT> but its not possible to search through all at once with vc++ 19:29:40 <Yexo> PeterT: yes, that's possible 19:29:53 <Alberth> PeterT: no idea, never use the stuff 19:30:00 <PeterT> how do i open all of the .cpp at once, then search em? 19:30:02 *** Guest9 is now known as Ammler 19:30:03 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: the lack of his computer should not effect his lack of searching 19:30:03 <Yexo> open the search box ,and there is a nice little dropdown 19:30:10 <Yexo> you don't have to open them all 19:30:31 <glx> Alberth: word is illegal in the US :) 19:30:37 <Yexo> or use the ctrl+shift+f shortcut 19:31:15 <PeterT> thanks yexo 19:31:34 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-82-20-30-97.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 19:31:35 <glx> http://www.betanews.com/article/US-sale-of-Microsoft-Word-threatened-by-court-injunction/1250084769 19:31:37 <TrueBrain> glx: not something to be all to happy about .. as most applications should not be sold by that same ruling :( 19:32:15 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: if you've searched hundreds of times and it never found what you were looking for a quite powerful precedent has been set that next searching will result in nothing 19:32:18 *** Hirundo is now known as Swallow 19:32:23 <glx> it's just a proof that software patents are silly 19:32:46 *** Swallow is now known as Hirundo 19:32:50 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: so? He never tried, so that argument is (not yet) valid for him :p 19:32:54 <TrueBrain> glx: VERY true 19:32:55 <Rubidium> as a the bad result it's questionable whether it should be called lazy if you know it's not going to find it 19:33:09 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: it keeps him busy :p 19:33:18 <PeterT> i've already made my own program that says "hello world!" then gives you the answer to 15+17 19:34:28 <Rubidium> glx: it's just proof that MS hasn't bought/bribed enough companies ;) 19:37:15 <Ammler> German translators, what is the German word for "Steak" 19:38:06 <PeterT> your from switzerland, aren't you? 19:38:32 <PeterT> dont you speak german? 19:38:45 <Wolf01> 'night 19:38:52 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host170-175-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 19:39:22 *** LordAzamath [~rightwing@82.131.16.156.cable.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 19:40:15 <PeterT> nope, openttd doesnt use cin.get(); in any .cpp files 19:40:32 *** oskari89 [oskari89@dsl-kpobrasgw1-ff7cc100-243.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 19:41:41 <TrueBrain> so there you have your answer :) 19:42:42 <PeterT> cin.get(); really wouldnt be useful in a game program, would it? 19:43:34 <TrueBrain> in a graphical application it would be one of the most silliest things to have 19:44:11 <Nite_Owl> according to the online translators "steak" is "steak" 19:44:24 *** tdev [~udev@p508EA224.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: free open source vehicle simulator: http://rigsofrods.com] 19:45:38 <Ammler> Nite_Owl: that is why asked, there seems to be no translation 19:45:46 * Rubidium wonders why openttdcoop did go underground ;) 19:46:07 <Ammler> it is a bit mirrored: www.openttdcoop.ammler.ch 19:46:26 <PeterT> truebrain, yes i figured that out now 19:46:33 <PeterT> why doesnt this code work? int x; 19:46:33 <PeterT> int y; 19:46:33 <PeterT> int x=10; 19:46:33 <PeterT> int y= 12+x; 19:46:33 <PeterT> cout>> x + y 19:46:33 <Ammler> we wait for dns 19:46:45 <Rubidium> with all hard links to www.openttdcoop.org 19:46:52 <TrueBrain> I think yuo have mistaken us for #c or whatever 19:47:07 <Ammler> Rubidium: that is the meaning of "bit" ;-) 19:47:20 <Ammler> well, the wiki seems working well 19:47:43 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEd958.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 19:47:48 <PeterT> i dont have permission to access / on this server? 19:47:52 <PeterT> for ottdcoop 19:47:59 <Ammler> we banned you from there 19:48:17 <Rubidium> Ammler: the usually steel part of a bridle inserted in the mouth of a horse ? 19:48:39 <petern> cout >> x + y ? 19:49:10 <Ammler> Rubidium: ? 19:49:25 <Rubidium> as one of my teachers would say: "it isn't documented so the compiler doesn't understand it" 19:49:43 <Rubidium> Ammler: s/t/w/ ;) 19:49:51 <R0b0t1> Methinks reading from standard out would cause problems. 19:51:32 <Alberth> it is surprising how long it takes before you find that problem :p 19:51:44 <PeterT> ammler, you can ban people from openttdcoop? 19:52:12 <Ammler> well, it seems to work with you. 19:52:21 <PeterT> petern, i figured out the problem 19:53:23 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.14.207.plusnet.pcl-ag01.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 19:54:31 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17167 /trunk/src/settings_gui.cpp: -Fix: don't resize the 'base grf status' text part in the game options window when there is no base graphics set that misses files. 19:54:58 <LordAzamath> which file contains the detailed performance rating GUI? 19:55:16 <Rubidium> the one with the graphs I think 19:55:26 <LordAzamath> okey.. where are graphs :D 19:55:33 <LordAzamath> been searching for a while 19:55:53 <Rubidium> make an educated guess in which file the guis of the graphs would be put ;) 19:55:53 <LordAzamath> having near zero knowledge of c++ doesn't help though :D 19:56:13 <petern> nobody is born with c++ knowledge 19:56:45 <LordAzamath> Rubidium was tho 19:57:00 <LordAzamath> :o 19:57:06 <LordAzamath> graph_gui.cpp 19:58:08 *** Yexo [~Yexo@ip51cca4b5.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:59:57 <Rubidium> born with C++ knowledge? You must be mistaking me with some hypothetical other entity 20:01:24 <Ammler> LordAzamath: better: http://img.ammler.ch/images/lafont.png , isn't? 20:02:36 <PeterT> what OS do you use ammler? 20:02:38 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:02:41 <LordAzamath> What's different there? :P 20:02:48 <Ammler> PeterT: KDE 20:02:55 <LordAzamath> pfft 20:03:03 <PeterT> is that free? 20:03:04 <LordAzamath> KDE is Desktop Environment, not OS 20:03:09 <LordAzamath> i thinks 20:03:11 <LordAzamath> :D 20:03:11 <Ammler> :-) 20:03:17 <KenjiE20> heh 20:03:19 <Rubidium> tron! 20:03:29 <KenjiE20> armagetron! 20:03:31 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-209-23.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:03:39 <Ammler> but PeterT was interested in the window, I assumed. 20:03:45 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-209-23.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:04:13 <LordAzamath> Assuming you can change the themes, you would have had to supply the theme you're using :D 20:04:15 <LordAzamath> anyhoo 20:04:20 <PeterT> so KDE isnt an OS, its something i could apply right on top of windows? 20:04:27 <LordAzamath> err 20:04:28 <LordAzamath> no 20:04:31 <LordAzamath> on top of Linux 20:04:35 <KenjiE20> technically yes 20:04:47 <KenjiE20> but it crashes lots on win 20:04:54 <PeterT> oh, that forget it 20:04:58 <Eddi|zuHause> you can install KDE on windows, but it is not very stable 20:05:01 <LordAzamath> :o 20:05:07 <LordAzamath> didn't know 20:05:08 <PeterT> im not gonna get linux unless i get a faster computer 20:05:14 <Ammler> ttdpatch needs around double the time to start 20:05:17 <Rubidium> is it more stable than explorer though? 20:05:17 <KenjiE20> linux runs on 486's man 20:05:32 <PeterT> what C++ enviorment do devs use? 20:05:35 <OwenS> Unless you get a faster computer? Wha? Linux is in general much faster than Windows 20:05:48 <keoz> PeterT : emacs 20:05:48 <LordAzamath> especially faster than vista :P 20:05:49 <PeterT> i want to run both 20:05:51 <PeterT> emacs? 20:05:51 <Alberth> gvim + g++ 20:06:05 <KenjiE20> nano / kate 20:06:10 <fonsinchen> there is also eclipse 20:06:11 <PeterT> which is better emacs or gvim + g++ 20:06:15 <petern> yes 20:06:20 <KenjiE20> ^ 20:06:22 <LordAzamath> but Ammler, was it just a screenshot of the letters being coded or did you change anything too? 20:06:23 <glx> all needs g++ 20:06:23 <andythenorth> run away run away run away 20:06:25 <keoz> PeterT : that's all the question 20:06:29 <PeterT> :) 20:06:32 <fonsinchen> or kdevelop 20:06:40 <Alberth> PeterT: opinions differ :) 20:06:45 <keoz> A lot. 20:06:51 <Ammler> http://img.ammler.ch/images/ttdp.png 20:06:52 <OwenS> glx: They could use LLVM-G++, LLVM-CLang, SunCC, TinyCC or IntelCC instead :p 20:07:11 *** Polygon [~Poly@blackspark.visitors.har2009.net] has joined #openttd 20:07:15 <LordAzamath> n1 20:07:19 <PeterT> my ttdpatch wont work 20:07:37 <glx> use openttd 20:07:39 <KenjiE20> heh I remember when I first got patch 20:07:39 <Ammler> LordAzamath: foobar added those, I guess, he used your draft without changes 20:07:46 <Eddi|zuHause> then you are certainly in the right place here, PeterT 20:07:56 <PeterT> lol 20:08:02 <KenjiE20> the truck kept dyingon the intro screen 20:08:05 <LordAzamath> yeh.. hmm 20:08:10 <LordAzamath> it seems O needs tweaking 20:08:22 <LordAzamath> it has lighter highlight on both sides in top-right corner 20:08:45 <Ammler> something in my patch conifg is wrong, there is no monorail 20:08:54 <LordAzamath> unifiedmaglev? 20:09:04 <LordAzamath> I think it was called that 20:09:15 <LordAzamath> don't remember 20:09:21 <LordAzamath> haven't touched ttdp in ages 20:09:51 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 20:10:18 <PeterT> can a variable in C++ hold numbers like 3.14^4? 20:10:42 <Eddi|zuHause> no. there are only variables that can hold text. 20:10:44 <Tefad> symbolically? not if it is a numerical type like double float int... 20:10:52 <Tefad> and ^ isn't the exponent operator 20:11:16 <TrueBrain> how is 3.14^4 a NUMBER? 20:11:20 <TrueBrain> it is a mathemetical operation 20:11:34 <OwenS> TrueBrain: Actually it's a bitwise operation :p 20:11:44 <TrueBrain> OwenS: haha, fair enough :) 20:11:59 <TrueBrain> I was thinking in his world .. even there it didn't make sense :p 20:12:00 <Tefad> you can store 97.21171216 to a float or double 20:12:09 <Eddi|zuHause> how is a bitwise operation not mathematical? 20:12:14 <TrueBrain> @calc pow(3.14,4) 20:12:14 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 97.21171216 20:12:17 <TrueBrain> nice Tefad ;) 20:12:28 <OwenS> @calc xor(3.14, 4) 20:12:29 <DorpsGek> OwenS: Error: 'xor' is not a defined function. 20:12:30 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: logical operation is more common used :p 20:12:30 <Eddi|zuHause> it's not an _arithmetical_ operation 20:12:32 <OwenS> :-( 20:12:42 <Tefad> binary logic for the win 20:12:43 <Eddi|zuHause> but that does not make it less mathematical 20:12:46 <PeterT> @cal xor? 20:12:52 <Tefad> void LoadUnloadVehicle(Vehicle*, int*): Assertion `v->load_unload_time_rem != 0' failed. 20:12:55 <PeterT> @calc pow? 20:12:55 <Tefad> how the hell does this happen 20:12:55 <DorpsGek> PeterT: Error: unexpected EOF while parsing (<string>, line 1) 20:13:03 *** Elton05423 [~Delphi@201008137046.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #openttd 20:13:08 <OwenS> @calc 3.14^4 20:13:08 <DorpsGek> OwenS: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number. 20:13:11 <OwenS> lol 20:13:20 <OwenS> Whats BC's xor oprtator/function? :p 20:13:45 <Tefad> @calc log(-1)/sqrt(-1) 20:13:45 <Ammler> LordAzamath: that is something else. 20:13:45 <DorpsGek> Tefad: 3.14159265359 20:13:55 * Tefad wins 20:14:06 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-230-81.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:14:10 <LordAzamath> well it merges maglev and monorail iirc 20:14:12 <LordAzamath> but I'm not sure 20:15:04 <Ammler> yes 20:15:13 <TrueBrain> @calc a(4) 20:15:13 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: Error: 'a' is not a defined function. 20:15:17 <TrueBrain> @calc 4*a() 20:15:17 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: Error: 'a' is not a defined function. 20:15:20 <TrueBrain> bah, I forgot .. 20:15:20 <Tefad> it's not using bc 20:15:22 <Ammler> but issue was, it replaced monorail with erail 20:15:44 <Tefad> if it is, i'd like to know what version... imaginary numbers are interesting 20:16:09 <TrueBrain> why can't I remember these things :( 20:17:34 <PeterT> damn, char is used alot 20:17:59 <keoz> what is openttdcoop ? 20:18:06 <LordAzamath> gaming community 20:18:22 <LordAzamath> who play cooperative games 20:18:25 <LordAzamath> :P 20:18:27 <PeterT> i think this is a good tutorial for me "C++ Tutorial - Absolute n00b spoonfeed" 20:18:46 <TrueBrain> night all 20:18:47 <LordAzamath> Ammler, what's openttdcoop :P 20:18:51 <PeterT> night TB 20:18:55 <Alberth> TrueBrain: good night 20:18:59 <Ammler> ask petern ;-) 20:19:12 <Ammler> he is a fan of us :-) 20:19:26 * KenjiE20 resists sparta joke 20:19:29 *** Antigon [~Poly@87.76.88.28] has joined #openttd 20:19:34 <PeterT> petern, or petert? 20:19:47 <Ammler> oh, indeed, you too :-) 20:19:52 <TrueBrain> @kban PeterT 3600 lets avoid that confusion for a while 20:19:53 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!~Peter@c-76-19-209-23.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] by DorpsGek 20:19:53 *** PeterT was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [lets avoid that confusion for a while] 20:19:54 <LordAzamath> peeter, peeter, termomeeter 20:19:57 <KenjiE20> lol 20:19:58 <Nite_Owl> later TrueBrain 20:20:04 <TrueBrain> as a good night gift to you all :) 20:20:12 <LordAzamath> thanks :D 20:20:16 * KenjiE20 hands TrueBrain a beer 20:20:44 <frosch123> [22:14] <Tefad> void LoadUnloadVehicle(Vehicle*, int*): Assertion `v->load_unload_time_rem != 0' failed <- last time it was pbs messing up with gradual loading or so 20:20:54 <Tefad> frosch123: sounds right.. 20:21:07 <Tefad> this is with r-lastnight 20:21:17 <Tefad> not sure i'd be able to reproduce it 20:21:21 <frosch123> that's bad 20:22:11 <SmatZ> hmm how big would be core dump for OTTD? I guess several tens of megabytes :( 20:22:23 <OwenS> Depends on the game :p 20:22:37 <Tefad> some of these ottdcoop games.. whew 20:22:47 <OwenS> The game the other week with 1000 trains? :p 20:23:20 <Rubidium> might it be michi's pbs stuff of a few days ago? 20:24:18 <Tefad> RVs are quite fun at times.. stop selection within a station is still kind of braindead though. 20:24:46 <Rubidium> hmm, unlikely; it's caught in MarkTrainAsStuck 20:25:01 <Tefad> i guess i could play without queuing indefinitely or whatever the option is called 20:25:58 *** Polygon [~Poly@blackspark.visitors.har2009.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:27:26 <Aali> MarkBrainAsStuck 20:33:28 <dihedral> TrueBrainAssStuck 20:33:29 <dihedral> :-D 20:33:50 <SmatZ> :-P 20:33:51 * dihedral wonders if that would highlight :-P 20:33:56 *** R0b0t1 [~Enigma@64-136-216-213.dyn.everestkc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:33:56 <SmatZ> now that wasn't nice :) 20:34:01 <Tefad> .... i could iterate once more with s/St/F 20:34:03 <dihedral> yes it was 20:34:12 <dihedral> "screw you that was funny" 20:34:13 <dihedral> :-D 20:34:14 * LordAzamath highlights dihedral 20:34:38 <dihedral> what Tefad was not nice 20:34:43 * SmatZ lowdarks LordAzamath 20:34:46 <dihedral> but perhaps he likes that 20:34:59 <SmatZ> hehehe 20:37:39 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:38:51 <Tefad> dihedral: eehehehehe. 20:40:19 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 20:44:13 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@j97103.upc-j.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 20:44:44 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ff1ed.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:49:43 *** Yexo [~Yexo@ip51cca4b5.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 20:56:15 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.14.207.plusnet.pcl-ag01.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:58:57 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.14.207.plusnet.pcl-ag01.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 20:59:58 *** xmakina [~xmakina@87.115.8.80] has joined #openttd 21:03:25 <LordAzamath> Does anyone have savegames/screenshots of toyland headquarters all levels 21:04:04 *** BaronChaos [~BaronChao@p5B26C0B0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:04:41 <Yexo> no idea if it works, but if you have savegames in another climate, does the climate change cheat change the headquarter graphics? 21:04:54 <LordAzamath> dunno :D 21:04:56 <LordAzamath> but nvm 21:05:14 <LordAzamath> I'm constructing them from trgtr.pcx atm 21:05:17 <LordAzamath> so nvm 21:13:00 *** Antigon [~Poly@87.76.88.28] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:15:55 <pavel1269> gn folks 21:16:01 <Xaroth> nn 21:16:12 *** pavel1269 [~quassel@r2ao16.net.upc.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:16:36 *** LordAzamath [~rightwing@82.131.16.156.cable.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.2/20090729225027]] 21:16:56 <fonsinchen> I don't know if there is a way to create that situation with trunk, but when both a transfer and a final delivery are carried out in one unloading session, the payment indicator is wrong. 21:17:18 <fonsinchen> I have a patch fixing that. Is that considered interesting? 21:18:53 <SmatZ> behaviour of 0.7.2 and trunk wrt. unloading should be the same 21:18:56 <Rubidium> you can't do transfer and final delivery at the same time 21:19:05 <SmatZ> but I don't understand your point 21:19:54 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!~Peter@c-76-19-209-23.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] by DorpsGek 21:20:10 <fonsinchen> with cargodist it is possible to transfer some goods and deliver others at the same time. 21:20:25 <fonsinchen> Then the whole sum is shown as profit, though some of it is transfer 21:20:38 <SmatZ> looks like cargodist bug :-p 21:20:50 *** bb10 [~nn@dhcp-077-248-075-030.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:20:50 <glx> last time I checked cargodist was not in trunk ;) 21:21:08 <fonsinchen> OK, I understand. Not interesting then ... 21:21:38 <SmatZ> sorry 21:22:08 <fonsinchen> no, that's OK. I'm not expecting to get cargodist into trunk anytime soon. 21:22:35 <fonsinchen> I'm just trying to get things into trunk that are interesting for all of us. 21:22:50 <Eddi|zuHause> fonsinchen: afair, cargodest modified the animation to show both income and transfer simultaneously 21:23:03 <fonsinchen> I have a patch that does the same 21:23:22 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-81-109-185-122.hers.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 21:24:06 <fonsinchen> The question was more like: should I create a bug report and a forum thread and answer all stupid questions associated with that or is it unnecessary 21:25:16 <Eddi|zuHause> imho, the income animation should show the actual money earned (i.e. the sum of all transfers) for the final delivery, and transfer the partial income of the last leg 21:26:08 <Eddi|zuHause> and transfer skipped if both values are equal 21:26:25 <fonsinchen> Ah, no. I won't change the meaning of income and transfer. I just want them both displayed as usual. 21:27:11 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm just saying that the cargodest way was not optimal 21:29:01 <Eddi|zuHause> also a non-optimal part of cargodest was the transfer credit calculation. when the destination is known, the transfer credit can be better estimated, to prevent the last leg of a transfer appear as a loss 21:29:57 <fonsinchen> All this, however, is a trunk bug. ;) Cargod[ei]st just amplifies the problem. 21:31:05 <fonsinchen> and with cargodist the final destination isn't known at any station in between. 21:31:24 <fonsinchen> so, the estimation problem doesn't get much easier. 21:33:25 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.14.207.plusnet.pcl-ag01.dyn.plus.net] has left #openttd [] 21:35:07 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:36:25 <Eddi|zuHause> i have not used cargodist yet. do you not decide a destination on creating a cargopacket? 21:38:30 <fonsinchen> no, I have a flow mapping at each station. When a cargo packet arrives at a station it is assigned to the most undersupplied flow for its origin. 21:39:26 <fonsinchen> This makes it much easier to map the result of the MCF solver to packet routing. 21:40:11 <Eddi|zuHause> so on creating a cargopacket you say "just go in this general direction, we'll see about that later"? 21:41:48 <fonsinchen> on creating a cargo packet I set its source station and then I have a look at the flows at the station it is created 21:42:09 <fonsinchen> for each flow there is a "planned" and a "sent" number 21:42:29 <fonsinchen> the flow with the greatest difference is selected and the packet is sent that way 21:42:42 <fonsinchen> then the "sent" value of that flow is increased accordingly 21:43:44 <fonsinchen> a flow only shows the next hop. It may branch there. 21:48:41 <Eddi|zuHause> one problem i had with cargodest was that the pathfinder could not differentiate between stations where the packet must switch vehicles and stations where it could stay in the vehicle. so when a packet went from A to E with a tram 1: A-B-C-D-E, and tram 2 went F-B-D-G, it would not stay in the tram 1, but leave tram 1 at B, get into tram 2 going B-D, leave there, and enter tram 1 again 21:48:49 <Eddi|zuHause> do you have a solution for this? 21:50:14 <Brianetta> I believe that, technically, all the cargo gets off the vehicle at every stop, and looks for the best route. If the best route is onthe vehicle it just got off, it gets back on. 21:50:32 <Brianetta> Behaving like that, of course, there's no real solution. 21:50:33 <fonsinchen> yes, I have a solution 21:51:09 <fonsinchen> the next hop is determined the moment the cargo arrives at the station. If next_hop == vehicle_next_hop the cargo stays on board 21:51:37 <fonsinchen> The only problem are nondeterministic orders, but I don't think it's necessary to spell out all those cases now. 21:51:40 <fonsinchen> or is it? 21:52:40 <Eddi|zuHause> no, that is not what i meant... 21:52:41 *** R0b0t1 [~Enigma@64-136-216-213.dyn.everestkc.net] has joined #openttd 21:53:20 <fonsinchen> so to say it short: int your case with A-B-C-D-E the cargo wouldn't leave the tram. 21:53:25 <fonsinchen> with cargodist. 21:53:32 <Eddi|zuHause> because the cargodest-pathfinder considers only stops, not routes, the cargopacket thinks the shortest route is A-B [via tram 1], B-D [via tram 2], D-E [via tram 1] 21:53:46 <fonsinchen> ah 21:53:48 <Eddi|zuHause> while the actual fastest route is A-B-C-D-E [via tram 1] 21:53:51 <fonsinchen> now I get it 21:54:01 <fonsinchen> I misread 21:54:08 <fonsinchen> But cargodist does load balancing 21:54:28 <Brianetta> load balancing solves a different problem 21:54:33 <fonsinchen> so it will measure both the ABCDE and the ABDE routes and assign planned flow to them. 21:54:50 <Brianetta> ABDE shouldn't even be a route 21:55:01 <Chris_Booth> cant you get the cargo to try and find its destination the the orger list 21:55:17 <fonsinchen> it is: tram 1: AB tram 2: BD, tram 1: DE 21:55:19 <Chris_Booth> if it is in teh orderlist stay on the vehcile? 21:55:19 <Eddi|zuHause> ABDE should be a route, but the pathfinder should heavily penalise leaving the vehicle 21:55:22 *** xmakina [~xmakina@87.115.8.80] has quit [] 21:55:26 <Brianetta> Chris_Booth: That would be too sensible. 21:55:55 <Eddi|zuHause> Chris_Booth: we tried that, but it opened different problems 21:55:55 <Chris_Booth> why not just use a switch statement? 21:56:15 <Chris_Booth> if destion is in list stay on train 21:56:26 <Chris_Booth> if not look for shortest route 21:56:44 <Chris_Booth> case switching 21:56:48 <Eddi|zuHause> because you don't know at which train you WILL be, it creates suboptimal routes 21:56:52 <Chris_Booth> case 1) to case x) 21:56:58 <fonsinchen> why should I. It complicates things unnecessarily. As it is now both routes are used up to their capacity. 21:57:15 <Eddi|zuHause> e.g. extend the above scenario by a train going E-X-A, and a passenger at D wanting to go to A 21:57:47 <Chris_Booth> well passenger should want to get off at e 21:57:52 <Eddi|zuHause> it will first choose the path D-E [tram 1]; E-X [train]; X-A [train] 21:57:54 <Chris_Booth> from e i mean a d 21:58:07 <Eddi|zuHause> but once it is in tram 1, it will notice that A is in the destination 21:58:16 <fonsinchen> Are you talking about cargodist or cargodest and who of you have actually tried cargodist? 21:58:18 <Eddi|zuHause> so it will go D-E-D-C-B-A [tram 1] 21:59:19 <Chris_Booth> ok using cases 21:59:20 <Eddi|zuHause> and that is not an optimal route 21:59:36 <Chris_Booth> you could have if route contains A 21:59:47 <Chris_Booth> and doesnt have any repeat visit 22:00:07 <Eddi|zuHause> you don't know the vehicle in advance 22:00:26 <Eddi|zuHause> there could be a tram 3 going G-D-E 22:00:44 <Eddi|zuHause> then the original route would be chosen randomly, depending on which tram comes first 22:00:48 *** Antigon [~Poly@sandbender-macbook.visitors.har2009.net] has joined #openttd 22:00:49 <Chris_Booth> the station know the routes to next stop 22:00:56 *** Antigon [~Poly@sandbender-macbook.visitors.har2009.net] has quit [] 22:01:09 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but the same route can be serviced by multiple vehicles 22:01:11 *** Antigon [~Poly@sandbender-macbook.visitors.har2009.net] has joined #openttd 22:02:10 <Chris_Booth> see i always think the route maping in cardgo dist/dest is wrong 22:02:14 *** Wikie [~Wikie@79.117.156.143] has joined #openttd 22:02:14 <Eddi|zuHause> this "just stay on the vehicle" rule is of the same quality as the "fix" to transfers saying "just don't load cargo that came from a station in the order list" 22:02:22 <Chris_Booth> i think it should be like the london underground map 22:02:50 <Eddi|zuHause> Chris_Booth: feel free to create a graph like that automatically 22:03:29 <Chris_Booth> ok in openttd its not going to be easy 22:03:31 <Eddi|zuHause> Chris_Booth: it should be fairly trivial to replace the route network of cargodest 22:03:33 <Chris_Booth> bu 22:03:54 <Eddi|zuHause> the problem is getting the right algorithm, and doing proper pathfinding on that graph 22:04:07 <fonsinchen> What you are talking about is a multi commodity flow problem with some added constraints 22:04:22 <Chris_Booth> what about a YAPF sytle algo to look at the graph? 22:04:22 <fonsinchen> I think I can identify roughly the following: 22:04:34 <Chris_Booth> e.g look upto 10 stops ahead to find the wuickest route? 22:04:40 <fonsinchen> 1. switch vehicle as rarely as possible 22:04:48 <fonsinchen> 2. london underground like 22:05:34 <fonsinchen> It will be hard to solve that without 1. actually talking about multi commodity flow problems 2. formulating the additional constraints in some mathematical way 22:06:41 <fonsinchen> And no, you can't solve a multi commodity flow problem with path finding. It won't work. 22:06:44 <Eddi|zuHause> the main problem of line-based instead of hop-based pathfinding is to know which vehicle will come first 22:07:12 <Chris_Booth> well you could have a wait function 22:07:22 <Chris_Booth> wait for train in this list 22:07:27 <Eddi|zuHause> so the entire network must be timetabled, which is an impossible constraint 22:07:43 <Chris_Booth> not timetabled 22:07:49 <Chris_Booth> if you group trains 22:07:56 <Chris_Booth> then you know where they go 22:08:04 <Chris_Booth> so train with proper shared orders 22:08:14 <Eddi|zuHause> i just told you, it isn't enough to know where they go 22:08:27 <Eddi|zuHause> you have to know WHEN they go there, to find the quickest route 22:08:30 <fonsinchen> well, good luck. And good night. 22:08:37 <Chris_Booth> good night 22:09:05 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEd958.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:09:21 *** nickman87 [~chatzilla@d54C3F29D.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 22:09:54 <Chris_Booth> but lets say there are to route for a - d, route 1 which arrives frist travels a , b, c. the train the stops and you transfer to a train from c to d. 22:10:11 <Chris_Booth> while route 2 which is behing goes direct from a - d 22:10:38 <Chris_Booth> but will arrive first 22:17:02 <Yexo> Chris_Booth: "going direct from a - d" doesn't tell you anything, the speed of the train is important, but also the length of the track it'll take 22:17:07 <Yexo> you can't predict that anyway 22:21:05 *** Yexo [~Yexo@ip51cca4b5.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Quit: bye] 22:43:07 *** reldred1 [~Richard_E@wirele5.lnk.telstra.net] has joined #openttd 22:43:50 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:49:13 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:51:26 *** Antigon [~Poly@sandbender-macbook.visitors.har2009.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:52:47 *** ^Spike^ is now known as ^spike^ 22:55:38 *** ^spike^ [~spike@j97103.upc-j.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: Not here] 22:56:47 *** nickman87 [~chatzilla@d54C3F29D.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:59:24 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CC0D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:59:47 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@user-54435dfd.lns6-c7.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:01:38 *** oskari89 [oskari89@dsl-kpobrasgw1-ff7cc100-243.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: Utm Aœ - Aja 35] 23:05:31 *** Wikie [~Wikie@79.117.156.143] has quit [Quit: What? 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