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[~matrix@2a01:270:dd00:7700:dead:beef:cafe:404] has joined #openttd 07:10:25 *** z-MaTRiX [~matrix@2a01:270:dd00:7700:dead:beef:cafe:404] has quit [] 07:11:37 <Tefad> lol IPv6 07:15:33 *** z-MaTRiX [~matrix@OC-192.h4ck.la] has joined #openttd 07:15:37 <z-MaTRiX> hey-ho 07:18:43 *** elmex [elmex@ist.m8geil.de] has joined #openttd 07:28:19 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:30:42 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@ti0034a380-1631.bb.online.no] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 07:36:18 *** xmakina [~xmakina@87.112.64.87.plusnet.ptn-ag2.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 07:56:25 *** fjb [~frank@p5485D4F6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:56:36 <fjb> Good Morning. 08:01:22 <Alberth> good morning 08:07:10 *** George3 [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 08:10:50 <xmakina> morning 08:14:00 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:19:48 *** bb10 [~nn@j27019.upc-j.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 08:32:56 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFBA81.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 08:33:26 <Andel> can anyone here access www.rmweb.co.uk ? 08:35:27 <xmakina> yes 08:35:38 <Andel> ok ta 08:35:41 <Andel> it works ok? 08:35:53 <xmakina> looks fine to me 08:36:25 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db0197d.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 08:38:01 <Alberth> a company that removes the web? 08:38:11 *** ^spike^ is now known as ^Spike^ 08:38:12 <Andel> ok ta 08:38:50 *** oskari89 [oskari89@212-149-207-211.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 08:44:15 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.14.207.plusnet.pcl-ag01.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:44:31 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAE854a.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 08:45:51 *** LordAzamath [~rightwing@82.131.16.156.cable.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 08:46:01 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.14.207.plusnet.pcl-ag01.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 08:46:37 <LordAzamath> morning 08:49:18 *** abbmaz [sami@user.tnnet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 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[~spike@dhcp-077-251-090-192.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 10:25:18 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@f197062.upc-f.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:25:18 *** ^ekipS^ is now known as ^Spike^ 10:25:23 *** Pygma [~quassel@88.151.27.234] has joined #openttd 10:29:19 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17181 /extra/website/bananas/views.py: [website] -Change [FS#2949]: allow changelog.txt to be in the bundles 10:34:16 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@dhcp-077-251-090-192.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:36:47 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@dhcp-077-251-090-192.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 10:43:29 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@dhcp-077-251-090-192.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:51:37 *** ^spike^ [~spike@dhcp-077-251-090-192.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 10:51:44 *** ^spike^ is now known as ^Spike^ 10:51:45 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17182 /trunk/src/ (lang/english.txt vehicle_gui.cpp): -Feature(ish) [FS#2945]: sort vehicle lists on (timetable) delay 10:57:00 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has joined #openttd 10:57:12 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17183 /trunk/Makefile.bundle.in: -Add [FS#2827]: 'bundle_lzma' to the bundling functions 11:00:25 *** Polygon [~Poly@87.76.88.28] has joined #openttd 11:02:08 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.17.47.224] has joined #openttd 11:05:44 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.190.85] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:12:31 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17184 /trunk/Makefile.bundle.in: -Add: 'bundle_7z' to the bundling functions 11:15:20 *** Lisby [Lisby@d40a9d6d.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [] 11:15:55 *** Polygon [~Poly@87.76.88.28] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:15:59 *** tdev [~udev@p508ECB93.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: free open source vehicle simulator: http://rigsofrods.com] 11:20:46 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@188.126.204.193] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:23:56 *** Lisby [Lisby@d40a9d6d.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #openttd 11:24:07 <Eddi|zuHause> bundle_lmaa? 11:24:21 <Eddi|zuHause> ( :p ) 11:25:22 <fonsinchen> eddi, you got up too early. You shouldn't do that on Saturdays. 11:29:39 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@188.126.204.193] has joined #openttd 11:32:16 <Eddi|zuHause> i had to go to the beverages shop, which closes at 12:00 11:37:04 <Eddi|zuHause> (PS: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/LMAA (meaning 1)) 11:38:51 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 11:39:37 <fonsinchen> I do know ... 11:40:08 <fonsinchen> and going to the beverages shop on Saturdays right after getting up is a bad sign ... 11:40:33 <fonsinchen> ;) 11:42:34 *** Pygma [~quassel@88.151.27.234] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:43:25 *** Zr40 [~zr40@120-12-ftth.onsnetstudenten.nl] has left #openttd [] 11:45:01 *** LordAzamath [~rightwing@82.131.16.156.cable.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.2/20090729225027]] 11:45:58 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, it means my parents are getting old, so my mother can't do heavy lifting anymore, and my father is too afraid to use the car... 11:47:24 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r17185 /trunk/src/ (5 files): -Codechange: Tweak depot gui and vehicle lists, so text overlaps less with vehicle images. 11:53:00 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:58:54 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 12:09:13 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@host86-154-217-48.range86-154.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 12:13:53 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@ti0034a380-1631.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 12:14:05 <Terkhen> hello 12:14:46 *** LordAzamath [~rightwing@82.131.16.156.cable.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 12:16:58 <TrueBrain> hello Terkhen 12:26:37 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:3442:d8af:7b2e:9ead] has joined #openttd 12:26:40 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:34:16 <andythenorth> hello terkhen 12:38:07 <Terkhen> hi 12:39:49 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAE854a.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:41:05 *** FooBar__ [~chatzilla@cm287161-b.maast1.lb.home.nl] has joined #openttd 12:48:24 *** FooBar_ [~FooBar@ammler.ch] has joined #openttd 12:49:38 *** FooBar__ [~chatzilla@cm287161-b.maast1.lb.home.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.13/2009073022]] 12:51:45 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 13:00:00 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:03:35 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-81-109-185-122.hers.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 13:05:44 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 13:10:04 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.14.207.plusnet.pcl-ag01.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 13:11:12 <pavel1269> ahh, such a great weather today made the time spent on swimming pool even better :-) pitty noone arrived :-P ( what a surprise ) 13:13:18 *** Wikie [~Wikie@79.117.156.143] has joined #openttd 13:16:05 <Eddi|zuHause> then why are you already back? 13:21:09 <TrueBrain> pavel1269: if I would, it would still have taken me 4 more hours to arrive at your place 13:27:53 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:31:33 <LordAzamath> gaaah.. Tried to understand squirrel but knowledge of lua is stopping me :D Why couldn't AI-s be written in Lua :o :P 13:31:46 <LordAzamath> meh, shall continue learning some other time 13:32:06 <TrueBrain> lack of classes, for one :p 13:32:28 <SpComb> pfft 13:32:58 <LordAzamath> err. 1 hour, I'll figure out what do classes mean in squirrel. :D 13:33:20 <TrueBrain> sorry, what? 13:33:37 <TrueBrain> I tried to parse that sentence in 7 different ways .. all 7 failed :p 13:33:40 <SpComb> there's plenty of object-oriented code written in lua 13:33:52 <LordAzamath> object oriented code is easy with lua 13:33:55 <LordAzamath> metatables 13:34:01 <TrueBrain> which are _not_ classes :) 13:34:11 <LordAzamath> what are classes? 13:34:13 <LordAzamath> :P 13:34:18 <TrueBrain> what Squirrel ahs :) 13:34:24 <SpComb> there are libraries that implement classes in lua 13:34:25 <Alberth> object definitions 13:34:36 <TrueBrain> stronger: Squirrel is created to add classes to lua :) 13:34:49 <SpComb> it's true that lua doesn't ship with a built-in class/object model, but there are many valid ways of implementing it 13:35:01 <TrueBrain> SpComb: and we call that way Squirrel, very good :) 13:35:06 <LordAzamath> anyhoo, lua syntax is way easier :D 13:35:09 <SpComb> Squirrel is written in lua? 13:35:17 <TrueBrain> LOL! Why would that be a requirement? 13:35:26 *** Polygon [~Poly@87.76.42.117] has joined #openttd 13:35:50 <TrueBrain> LordAzamath: Squirrel is a bit more C like, yes 13:36:08 <TrueBrain> but if you understand the idea of programming languages, you should not have that much of an issue to convert from one to the othe :) 13:36:23 <TrueBrain> then/do => {; end => } :p 13:36:25 <Eddi|zuHause> why do so many people complain about the syntax? 13:36:34 <Eddi|zuHause> syntax is the least relevant part of a language 13:36:40 <LordAzamath> yeah, but what about some random :: thingsd 13:36:48 <LordAzamath> I have no idea what they mean :P 13:36:52 <TrueBrain> because they refuse to admit it is their knowledge :p 13:37:16 <LordAzamath> [16:36] <LordAzamath> I have no idea what they mean :P << that is my knowledge 13:37:32 <TrueBrain> the fact that lua doesn't have those is a nice proof it is not real OO :P 13:37:38 <TrueBrain> either way, LordAzamath, :: means 'global' namespace 13:37:50 <TrueBrain> AIRoad:: means AIRoad namespace 13:38:06 <SpComb> what do namespaces have to do with OO? :/ 13:38:10 <SpComb> that's more like C++ 13:38:16 * TrueBrain sends SpComb on a leason OO 13:39:32 <LordAzamath> well how would you say this is not an example of OO? http://lordy.pastebin.com/d6ee1dda8 13:39:47 <LordAzamath> which is completely in lua, some right click menu for MTA I created :P 13:40:04 <TrueBrain> you can even do OO in C 13:40:17 <TrueBrain> does that mean C is OO? 13:40:43 <OwenS> TrueBrain: Decent OO can be implemented in Lua with ~50 lines of code though 13:41:06 <TrueBrain> OwenS: not really, but okay .. this is all a useless conversation anyhow :) 13:41:18 <LordAzamath> true 13:41:31 <glx> LordAzamath: now bind c++ functions :) 13:41:46 <glx> and c++ classes 13:41:53 <TrueBrain> OwenS: you say it can be done, we say it can't be done ... uselss, without proof of you implementing it in OpenTTD :) 13:42:01 <LordAzamath> [16:41] <glx> LordAzamath: now bind OMGSOMETHINGTOODIFFICULTFORME functions :) <<< hmmm 13:42:05 <LordAzamath> can't 13:42:08 <LordAzamath> :D 13:42:37 <TrueBrain> LordAzamath: either way, with a clear mind and asking very specific questions, the Squirrel syntax should not give you too much trouble when you know lua 13:42:43 <TrueBrain> (or any other scripting language for that matter) 13:43:02 <TrueBrain> as every scripting language (ignoring things like functional languages) follows the same ideology 13:43:09 <LordAzamath> well yeah, I've already managed to write an ai which puts signs everywhere in game xD 13:43:17 <TrueBrain> see :p 13:43:38 <OwenS> On the other hand, is Lua (Or Lua + LuaJIT) not faster than Squirrel? :p 13:43:43 <TrueBrain> that you might not know what :: means, everyone will forgive you that, and explain it to you when asked :) 13:43:53 <TrueBrain> OwenS: I think C is even faster 13:43:57 <TrueBrain> lets do it in C! YES! 13:44:25 <OwenS> TrueBrain: Lua remains a scripting language :p 13:45:09 <TrueBrain> well .. I guess we should also start removing PYthon, Ruby, and AlterScript and the like 13:45:12 <TrueBrain> as they are all slower than Lua 13:45:30 <TrueBrain> (Lua being one of the fastest scripting languages available, mostly because it is so limited in its functionality) 13:45:34 <TrueBrain> even awk is slower :p 13:45:38 <TrueBrain> (for a fib() calculation) 13:45:42 <LordAzamath> heh, one more thing I'm not accustomed to and have had gazillion errors, upper case function names :D 13:45:57 <SpComb> it just seems slightly silly to spend effort writing an entire language interpreter and runtime to replace lua just because it can't do OO 13:46:09 <TrueBrain> the case doesn't matter if you call it yourself .. you are free to use the case. Just the Start and Stop have to be in that case (and Save and Load) 13:46:10 <OwenS> I have to wonder at what point fib() in AlterScript would beat Lua (I.E. when the JIT overhead would be outweighed by the speed savings) 13:46:20 <SpComb> but I guess that's been discussed before 13:46:21 <TrueBrain> SpComb: lucky, we never did, and it was already done. 13:46:35 <TrueBrain> OwenS: when you start doing JIT, thnigs change 13:46:40 <TrueBrain> even Java outruns Lua in that case 13:46:56 <SpComb> hmm... Squirrel was the 3rd party one? Wasn't there some internal effort as well? 13:47:05 <SpComb> nail? 13:47:09 <TrueBrain> we have been working on our own language, yes 13:47:13 <petern> there was that other thing a few years ago first 13:47:34 <TrueBrain> but that has everything to do with some .. special needs AIs need :) 13:47:35 <petern> gpmi or something 13:47:43 <TrueBrain> petern: then you never understood libgpmi at all 13:47:52 <TrueBrain> as libgpmi isn't a scripting language 13:47:55 <petern> it was a bridge 13:47:56 <petern> i know 13:48:02 <TrueBrain> (Generic Package and Module Interface .. the name says it all :p) 13:48:07 <petern> but it was "something" that was "worked on" for "ai" 13:48:17 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-139-177.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 13:48:21 <TrueBrain> no, it was suitable for AIs, and we used it to proof the concept, yes 13:48:43 <petern> and then reverted :D 13:48:56 <TrueBrain> yes ... unauthorized by some lameass who did what he thought was the right way (tm) 13:49:07 <TrueBrain> (without ever asking .. don't get me started) 13:49:13 <petern> too late 13:49:15 <TrueBrain> true :p 13:50:08 <TrueBrain> funny enough, NoAI is almost identical to those packages .. not suprising if you know I took those packages to start NoAI .. :p 13:50:25 <TrueBrain> (give or take the C->C++ conversion :p) 13:50:44 <LordAzamath> hmm how similar are c++ and squirrel in syntax then, is it not too awkward to use c++ syntax highlighter for squirrel? 13:50:52 <TrueBrain> it should do fine 13:51:01 <TrueBrain> the only main difference is that Squirrel doesn't require a ';' at the end of the line 13:51:12 <TrueBrain> but I strongly suggest you do put a ';' at the end of a line 13:51:21 <LordAzamath> why :P 13:51:24 <TrueBrain> readability 13:51:26 <TrueBrain> portability 13:51:27 <LordAzamath> heh 13:51:41 <OwenS> I should finish refactoring AlterScript's code generator out of the AST... then add a bytecode backend :p 13:51:52 <petern> truebrainprefersitability 13:52:05 <TrueBrain> lol, I always wanted a word renamed to me 13:52:44 <Eddi|zuHause> i hate it when people check stuff into my python code, and they put ; all over the place 13:52:58 <TrueBrain> LordAzamath: it was a stupid design mistake of Squirrel to allow both. In general it is bad for any language to have such .. choices :p I would have gone with either way 13:53:08 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: even more as Python will complain :p 13:53:26 <Eddi|zuHause> no, python accepts them... 13:53:27 <OwenS> ; simplifies the parser a bit however :p 13:53:33 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: really? Last time it was bitching ... 13:53:44 <TrueBrain> OwenS: \n or ;, it should be able to handle both :p 13:54:08 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: wow ... it allows it ... 13:54:12 <TrueBrain> that .. amazes me ... 13:54:33 <Eddi|zuHause> you can use ; to separate statements on the same line 13:54:49 <Eddi|zuHause> so a ; at the end of the line just opens an empty statement 13:54:53 <TrueBrain> completely against the ideology of Python :p 13:54:54 <Eddi|zuHause> which is valid python code 13:55:22 <Eddi|zuHause> just... it looks awful 13:55:36 <TrueBrain> in Python, yes :) Hmm .. never knew :) Tnx Eddi|zuHause ;) 13:55:37 <SpComb> it's rarely used 13:55:48 <OwenS> TrueBrain: \n requires you add support for gobbling line endings when you want to continue a statement accross lines 13:56:05 <TrueBrain> OwenS: true 13:57:22 <Eddi|zuHause> you can have newlines within statements, as long as they are inside some other kind of brackets 13:57:31 <Eddi|zuHause> (in python, i mean) 13:57:48 <TrueBrain> you can? Yuck :p 13:57:50 *** Nickman87 [~nick.defr@45.40-136-217.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:58:05 <SpComb> it's a very important part of the syntax 13:58:20 <TrueBrain> I only use newlines inside """ blocks 13:58:21 <Eddi|zuHause> yes. for example list literals 13:58:30 <TrueBrain> ah, like that, yeah 13:58:42 <Eddi|zuHause> or function parameters 13:58:44 <TrueBrain> I was more thinking like: if (\n 13:58:45 <LordAzamath> (lua [[]]) 13:58:51 *** R0b0t1 [~Enigma@64-136-216-213.dyn.everestkc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:58:56 * LordAzamath hides 13:59:03 <Eddi|zuHause> well, that is possible, too 13:59:05 <TrueBrain> I love Python for his auto-documentation stuff .. 13:59:08 *** xmakina|away is now known as xmakina 13:59:23 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, just put a string anywhere 13:59:34 <TrueBrain> I hate it for its lack of scoping .. sometimes you move a block, and 1 thing gets a wrong \t ... and boem, it doesn't do what you expect it to :p 14:00:00 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, expecially when people cannot abide to coding style 14:00:13 *** Nickman87 [~nick.defr@110.17-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #openttd 14:00:21 <TrueBrain> well, all my IDEs (and vim specially) tend to eat \ts... 14:00:26 <TrueBrain> or introduce plenty more :p 14:00:48 *** oskari89 [oskari89@212-149-207-211.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Utm Aœ - Aja 35] 14:01:01 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, sometimes you need to turn off autoindent ;) 14:01:13 <TrueBrain> never found out how .. always too lazy to find out how :p 14:01:38 <TrueBrain> as mostly there already is the problem of \t -> \s\s\s\s\s\s\s\s 14:01:42 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm lucky i found how to tell vim to use 4 spaces when pressing tab 14:01:53 <TrueBrain> ghehe :) 14:02:11 <Eddi|zuHause> and the right config file to put that to ;) 14:02:50 <SpComb> worst thing is python code with mixed space/tab indentation that happens to work right (mostly...) 14:03:01 <SpComb> one runs into it every now and then 14:03:22 <TrueBrain> hehe, the other day I had a single \s before a statement between tons of other statements .. any idea how hard it is to find that :P 14:03:24 *** Nickman87 [~nick.defr@110.17-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:04:05 <SpComb> \s? space? 14:04:18 <TrueBrain> yes, one single too many in one statement in a crowd of statements 14:04:27 <TrueBrain> python complains .. and it took me a while before I spotted it :p 14:04:50 <TrueBrain> (as the error given is on the next line, and VERY vague) 14:05:53 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, stuff like "unindentation does not match any previous indentation" or somesuch 14:06:06 <Alberth> SpComb: I told my vim to display \t so I can see I have a broken file 14:06:39 <TrueBrain> IndentationError: unindent does not match any outer indentation level 14:06:45 <Eddi|zuHause> just make a pre-commit-hook that forbids \t in python files 14:06:49 <SpComb> there's also `python -tt` 14:07:16 <SpComb> hmm, python shouldn't let you indent random statements either 14:07:56 *** Polygon [~Poly@87.76.42.117] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:08:06 <TrueBrain> sometimes when having a C application I miss std::map .. grr 14:08:18 <SpComb> use glib! 14:08:29 <OwenS> std::map is nicer and more efficient :p 14:10:05 *** Wikie [~Wikie@79.117.156.143] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:10:13 <TrueBrain> I don't feel like implementing a RB tree .. so a hash table it is :p 14:10:33 *** Nickman87 [~nick.defr@23.207-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #openttd 14:10:36 <SpComb> http://libredblack.sourceforge.net/ 14:11:12 <TrueBrain> LGPL 14:11:14 <TrueBrain> no thank you :) 14:16:21 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r17186 /trunk/os/win32/installer/ (install.nsi notice.ini): -Change: remove UNICODE notice in windows installer 14:19:12 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D2FA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:21:05 <TrueBrain> tnx nevertheless btw SpComb :) 14:24:24 <LordAzamath> craps. :P 14:24:34 <TrueBrain> ieuw 14:24:45 <LordAzamath> trying to find out the easiest way to return a random town :D 14:25:52 *** KritiK_ [~Maxim@78-106-71-113.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 14:25:52 *** Polygon [~Poly@87.76.88.28] has joined #openttd 14:25:56 <TrueBrain> in general it is not the best idea to pick a completely random on 14:25:58 <TrueBrain> in general it is not the best idea to pick a completely random one 14:27:01 *** xmakina [~xmakina@87.112.64.87.plusnet.ptn-ag2.dyn.plus.net] has quit [] 14:27:03 <LordAzamath> why not? 14:27:15 <TrueBrain> as human, do you stat at a completely random town? 14:27:18 <TrueBrain> start 14:27:25 <LordAzamath> I'm just trying to do a test ai which would start to grow a town 14:27:34 <LordAzamath> could pick the smallest town tho 14:27:45 <TrueBrain> well, completely random is easy enough with AIBase.Random I believe .. or RandomRange 14:27:45 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.190.85] has joined #openttd 14:27:59 <TrueBrain> when you want to pick a town which has some requirements, use lists :) 14:28:06 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: alberth * r17187 /trunk/src/news_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Make switches on news display mode complete. 14:28:25 <LordAzamath> lists in squirrels are like tables in lua, right? 14:28:33 <TrueBrain> I meant the AIList 14:28:48 <LordAzamath> AITownList 14:28:52 <LordAzamath> have seen it :D 14:28:56 <TrueBrain> then use it! :) 14:29:18 <Yexo> how did you think to implement it without AITownList? 14:30:15 <TrueBrain> no more GetMaxTownID? 14:30:57 <Yexo> it's at least deprecated 14:31:05 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-139-177.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:31:08 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.14.207.plusnet.pcl-ag01.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 14:31:12 *** xmakina [~xmakina@87.112.64.87.plusnet.ptn-ag2.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 14:31:16 <TrueBrain> fair enough :) 14:31:17 *** KritiK_ is now known as KritiK 14:31:23 <Yexo> already removed it seems 14:34:07 <LordAzamath> okey, where does the Valuate method come from? 14:34:09 <LordAzamath> nvm 14:34:10 <LordAzamath> found 14:39:34 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: alberth * r17188 /trunk/src/news_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Use display mode names for naming window and widget descriptions. 14:46:41 *** Polygon [~Poly@87.76.88.28] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:48:48 *** Lisby [Lisby@d40a9d6d.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [] 14:55:10 <pavel1269> <Eddi|zuHause> then why are you already back? --- i had to, today, but tomorrow ... :P 14:55:30 <pavel1269> <TrueBrain> pavel1269: if I would, it would still have taken me 4 more hours to arrive at your place --- i know, pitty everyone dont live in infinite house, with infite levels, with elevator of infinite speed ... :-) 14:57:23 <pavel1269> also, my problem with breaking engines, while breakdowns are off, are caused by my patch ... :-D 14:59:04 <TrueBrain> you had a PATCH APPLIED?! 14:59:12 <TrueBrain> that is much more important than a grf ... 14:59:20 <TrueBrain> bad pavel1269! BAD BAD BAD pavel1269 :p 14:59:28 <pavel1269> ^^ 14:59:48 <pavel1269> well, in my eyes, the patch did not break it, so only newgrf left ... 15:00:12 *** Noldo [vheino@jumi.lut.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:00:36 <TrueBrain> bad pavel1269! BAD BAD BAD pavel1269 :p 15:00:43 <TrueBrain> (I just wanted to say it again) 15:00:52 <pavel1269> baaah 15:01:31 <LordAzamath> grr I hate it, I know there's a really simple answer somewhere so I'll look for it myself, rather than ask here, but then again I can't find it :D 15:01:41 <TrueBrain> paradox 15:01:54 <TrueBrain> but let me give you the answer 15:01:55 <TrueBrain> here it comes 15:01:58 <TrueBrain> ready for it? 15:01:59 <TrueBrain> 42! 15:02:01 <LordAzamath> no 15:02:03 <LordAzamath> :o 15:02:04 <LordAzamath> NNOOO 15:02:16 <TrueBrain> so now ask your question already :) 15:02:24 <LordAzamath> I want to find it :D 15:02:34 <TrueBrain> then shut up :p 15:03:15 <LordAzamath> oh well, I want to get all road tiles belonging to a town into a tilelist 15:03:54 <LordAzamath> So I guess there is somewhere a function like AITown.getRoads 15:03:56 <LordAzamath> :P 15:03:59 <TrueBrain> all, I don't think that is possible. But a good estimated is simple: just make a rectangle aroudn the core 15:04:08 <TrueBrain> (core of the town) 15:04:30 <LordAzamath> And then foreach ask if they are road tile? 15:04:37 <TrueBrain> Valuator 15:04:44 <frosch123> hmm, why can't enum be uses as incomplete types 15:05:26 <OwenS> frosch123: Because their size is (sometimes) determined by their valid values 15:06:41 <frosch123> well, you cannot determine the size of a incomplete struct either 15:06:51 <frosch123> or even a struct with an unbound array at the end 15:07:47 <pavel1269> quess, there is a difference? 15:08:09 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 15:14:01 <LordAzamath> The tiles go like starting from top corner and counting to left corner, then another row starting at top corner, row 2 etc., right? 15:14:21 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 15:14:38 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17189 /trunk/os/win32/installer/notice.ini: -Fix (r17186): really remove notice.ini ;) 15:14:42 <LordAzamath> So if I wanted to return a relative value to a tile, I'd have to know the size of the map, or is there an easier way 15:15:02 <TrueBrain> euh, yes :p 15:15:04 <TrueBrain> lol 15:15:04 <LordAzamath> I'm trying to get a tile 5 tiles left and 5 tiles up for example 15:15:07 <TrueBrain> would be a bit silly else ;) 15:15:14 <TrueBrain> AITile .. look through it :) 15:15:36 <LordAzamath> been looking there for a while, but ok, going there again 15:15:41 <TrueBrain> hmm . or not ther e.. 15:15:43 <TrueBrain> one moment 15:15:57 <TrueBrain> AIMap of course :p 15:16:26 <TrueBrain> there you can get the X and Y, so that is one way for sure 15:16:35 <TrueBrain> but I thought there was also a way to do it faster .. can't remember :p 15:17:06 <TrueBrain> or could GetTileIndex be abused for that .. 15:17:08 <TrueBrain> can't remmeber :p 15:17:10 <LordAzamath> well getTileX, getTileY, getTileIndex soudl work 15:17:13 <LordAzamath> should* 15:17:30 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.14.207.plusnet.pcl-ag01.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 15:17:50 *** Polygon [~Poly@87.76.88.28] has joined #openttd 15:18:01 <TrueBrain> I think Yexo has a better memory on those subjects :) 15:18:32 <frosch123> isn't that describted on the wiki under "things you need to know" ? 15:18:39 <Yexo> AIMap.GetTileIndex(-5, -5) + reference_tile; 15:18:51 <TrueBrain> see ;) 15:18:59 <TrueBrain> frosch123: yup, indeed :) 15:19:14 <Yexo> but you should check first whether AIMap.GetTileX(reference_tile) > 5 && AIMap.GetTileY(reference_tile) > 5 15:19:16 <TrueBrain> http://wiki.openttd.org/AI:Need_To_Know#Tile_Arithmetic 15:19:17 <TrueBrain> tp be exact 15:20:06 *** KritiK_ [~Maxim@95-25-101-93.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 15:21:24 <LordAzamath> oh great :D 15:22:27 *** DR_Jekyll [DrJekyll@p57B0C42B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:22:34 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-207-211.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 15:23:02 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-71-113.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:23:15 *** KritiK_ is now known as KritiK 15:23:34 *** Noldo [vheino@jumi.lut.fi] has joined #openttd 15:24:26 <Ammler> rename from spectacte to watch isn't complete? 15:24:58 <Ammler> -c 15:26:10 <TrueBrain> $ ERROR: Parse Error: could not parse 15:26:25 <Ammler> hehe 15:26:33 *** Wolle [DrJekyll@p57B0FCE3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:26:37 <Ammler> someone changed spectate in watch 15:26:43 <TrueBrain> where? 15:26:44 <Ammler> but not everywhere. 15:26:58 <Ammler> it is changed in the server lobby 15:27:04 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFBA81.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:27:22 <TrueBrain> weird :) 15:27:28 <TrueBrain> Spectate is normal english, not? :) 15:27:35 <Ammler> watch is at least easier to understand :-) 15:27:46 <Ammler> and to write 15:27:51 <TrueBrain> but okay, I can only find it in english_US 15:28:05 <TrueBrain> (yes, and hte text: watch as a spectator) 15:28:07 <Ammler> hmm, I use uk 15:28:38 <TrueBrain> english.txt:STR_NETWORK_GAME_LOBBY_SPECTATE_GAME_TOOLTIP :{BLACK}Watch the game as a spectator 15:28:39 <Ammler> ah thanks 15:28:40 <TrueBrain> the only string with 'watch' 15:28:51 <TrueBrain> (using spectate here is a bit silly) 15:28:54 <petern> Spectate the game as a watcher 15:29:12 <TrueBrain> english_US is inconsistant btw 15:29:27 <Ammler> I had accidentially the wrong nglish 15:29:28 <Ammler> E 15:29:29 <petern> of course, it's american... 15:29:43 <TrueBrain> they have: watch game, instead of spectate game 15:29:49 <TrueBrain> but the rest is all spectat* 15:29:54 <Ammler> but still spectate ingame 15:30:00 <TrueBrain> so it is just stupid :) 15:32:02 <Ammler> it is somehow not clear, which English is the standard in OpenTTD, maybe no need? 15:32:40 <Belugas> Brit! All the way!! 15:32:47 <Belugas> of course my dear 15:32:49 <Belugas> no less 15:32:59 <Ammler> well, that isn't usual for software, is it?= 15:33:02 <Belugas> what is the country of Chris Sawyer ? 15:33:17 <Belugas> who cares what is usual? 15:33:24 <Ammler> Belugas: that needs insider knowledge :-P 15:33:24 <Belugas> it's usual to have a game in 3d 15:33:28 <Belugas> FUCK THAT! 15:33:51 <Belugas> Ammler, you are desesperate case 15:34:08 * Belugas is going back to home cleaning 15:34:08 <Ammler> dunno that word ;-) 15:34:31 <LordAzamath> de-separate :D 15:35:38 <Ammler> maybe it would be clearer, if you would call it just English, without "(UK)" 15:35:40 <pavel1269> ha! no more breakdowns while they are off :-P 15:35:54 <LordAzamath> color 15:35:56 * LordAzamath hides 15:37:51 <LordAzamath> anyhoo hl2:ep2 time 15:38:05 <LordAzamath> thanks for help TrueBrain 15:38:08 <Ammler> OT! 15:38:16 <LordAzamath> ? 15:38:22 <Ammler> :-) 15:38:33 <LordAzamath> likeeee.. off topic? :D 15:38:42 <Ammler> hl2 15:39:05 * LordAzamath searches an offtopic youtube link 15:39:09 <LordAzamath> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPrnduGtgmc 15:39:11 <LordAzamath> oh 15:39:14 * LordAzamath hides 15:51:56 *** Polygon [~Poly@87.76.88.28] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:55:05 *** KritiK_ [~Maxim@78-106-138-159.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 15:55:48 *** fjb_ [~frank@p5485CFFD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:57:03 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-25-101-93.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:57:16 *** KritiK_ is now known as KritiK 16:00:04 *** Ping [~Ping@boi78-3-82-246-26-241.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 16:00:10 <Ping> hi mens 16:00:18 <Ping> i have a question 16:00:46 <Ping> is it possible to get the saving file from my pc to put it in my 2nd PC ? 16:00:57 <glx> yes 16:01:01 <Ping> cool 16:01:08 <glx> and men is plural already :) 16:01:25 <Ping> i go to holidays & i want to play on the same game 16:01:30 <Ping> yes glx sry :s 16:02:05 <Ping> do you know which file i have to copy ? 16:02:23 <glx> the .sav is enough 16:02:25 <Yexo> My Documents/OpenTTD/save/ 16:02:31 <Ping> oh ok 16:02:48 *** fjb [~frank@p5485D4F6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:03:02 <glx> but you may need to copy the newgrfs too 16:03:26 <Ping> i didnt see OpenTTD created a folder in mydocuments 16:03:36 <Ping> im noob ! :D 16:03:43 <Ping> thx guyz ! :) 16:04:43 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-138-159.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:05:17 <Ping> newgrfs are in OTTD/data ? 16:05:43 <glx> they are were you put them :) 16:06:08 <Ping> i didnt chose anything ^^ 16:06:12 <glx> if you used content download you'll find them in mydocs\openttd\content_download\data 16:06:33 <glx> but you need them only if your savegame uses them 16:06:50 <Ping> ok, im gonna try now 16:09:45 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAE854a.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 16:13:11 <Ping> it seems to be good 16:13:14 <Ping> thx men 16:15:35 *** Ping [~Ping@boi78-3-82-246-26-241.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 16:17:04 *** nicfer [~Usuario@168.226.104.42] has joined #openttd 16:19:10 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-138-159.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 16:20:40 <petern> ooh, a segfault 16:23:15 <TinoDidriksen> Mmm, so crisp and tasty... 16:39:07 <TrueBrain> I love segfaults 16:42:21 *** DR_Jekyll [DrJekyll@p57B0C42B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: http://www.lagerwiki.de - das Wiki rund um's Thema Lager und Logistik] 16:44:25 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:49:39 *** TheMask96 [~martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 17:13:00 *** Polygon [~Poly@87.76.105.47] has joined #openttd 17:17:45 <Belugas> Run, Rabbit Run 17:18:07 * TrueBrain catches the rabbit 17:18:11 <TrueBrain> dinner time!!! 17:18:12 <TrueBrain> bbl :) 17:18:31 <Belugas> Dig that hole, forget the sun 17:18:38 <Belugas> ... 17:18:39 <Belugas> gone 17:20:34 <Ammler> filter.iseer.nl spams my log ;-) 17:21:00 <Ammler> with msg, that my server spams your mailserver :-) 17:21:14 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 17:21:41 <Ammler> 2 mails per min from same server is a bit low limit. 17:22:27 <TrueBrain> filter.iseer.nl is rotated out, should be down by the end of next month .. new filter software is in place, but I guess the domain you try to mail to is not rotated out yet 17:22:44 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@dhcp-077-251-090-192.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: Not here] 17:22:48 <Ammler> openttd.org 17:23:05 <TrueBrain> hmm .. not on my list for next week yet 17:23:19 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@dhcp-077-251-090-192.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 17:23:50 <TrueBrain> but I guess the old filter is doing a good job .. 2 mails per minute sounds a bit too much to mail to us :) 17:24:17 <TrueBrain> every sane MTA will retry in DECAY time .. and if not, it should stay blacklisted :) 17:24:31 <Ammler> can happen quite esay with announce mails from issue tracker 17:24:44 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 17:25:10 <Ammler> well it tries to retry, but then again 3 mails, of course :-) 17:25:13 <TrueBrain> even if that happens, the MTA should reschdule delivery 17:25:17 <TrueBrain> and it should arrive within the hour 17:25:30 <TrueBrain> well, after the flood period, 2 of the 3 would be let in 17:25:36 <TrueBrain> the 3rd boucned off again for the flood-period 17:25:39 <TrueBrain> and then let in later on 17:25:48 <TrueBrain> but if your MTA is broken, and doesn't respect a decay time .. 17:26:24 <Ammler> that might be, but I doubt, what is the decay time? 17:26:31 <TrueBrain> standard retry time 17:26:41 <TrueBrain> try in 5 minutes .. still fais? try in 10 .. 20 .. 40 .. 80 .. 17:26:54 <TrueBrain> wel,l I believe the times are slightly different, more like: 5, 10, 30, 60, 300 17:26:55 <TrueBrain> but okay 17:27:26 <TrueBrain> I believe this filter doesn't want to see the MTA for the next 5 minutes .. might be 10 or 30 (depending on the priority your MX received) 17:27:32 <TrueBrain> blabla .. 17:27:35 <Ammler> it is at 30mins now 17:28:00 <Ammler> and every mail was rejected 17:28:13 <TrueBrain> you waited 30 minutes for a retry? 17:28:21 <Ammler> me? 17:28:25 <TrueBrain> the MTA 17:28:27 <TrueBrain> dah 17:28:30 <Ammler> :-) 17:28:58 <Ammler> the last was 19:21, before that at 18.51 17:29:32 <glx> who are you spaming on openttd.org? 17:30:06 *** Pygma [~quassel@88.151.27.234] has joined #openttd 17:30:08 <TrueBrain> there were no delivery attempts at 18 17:30:11 <TrueBrain> there were no delivery attempts at 18:51 CEST 17:30:17 <Ammler> smatz and rubi 17:31:25 <Ammler> Aug 15 16:32:29 mozart postfix/smtp[19686]: 8DF492B3285E: to=<rubidium@openttd.org>, relay=filter.iseer.nl" target="_blank">filter.iseer.nl[80.247.163.9]:25, delay=407877, delays=407797/0.03/7.1/73, dsn=4.0.0, status=deferred (host filter.iseer.nl" target="_blank">filter.iseer.nl[80.247.163.9] said: 451-Too many messages received from you within a 1 minute time period. 451-. 451-[EximConfig-2.5-iseer.nl-Flood-Protect-Sender-Rcpt] 451-. 451-Sender: devzone@openttdcoop.org 451-Recipient: rubidium@openttd.org 451-. 451-.Verify: 17:31:27 <Ammler> verified-39072-rubidium@openttd.org 451-Contact: filter@iseer.nl 451-. 451-Sorry, your message has not been delivered yet 451-because too many messages are currently being 451-received by our mail server from you to the above 451-recipient within a 1 minute time period (A 451-maximum of 2 are allowed.) 451-. 451-This measure is to protect our mail server from 451-message flooding/mail bombing, DoS (Denial of 451-Service) attacks, viruses and unsolicited spam. 17:31:28 <Ammler> 451-. 451-Your mail server should automatically try to resend 451-your message for you after 17:31:32 <TrueBrain> @kick Ammler PASTEBIN! 17:31:32 *** Ammler was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [PASTEBIN!] 17:32:13 <TrueBrain> 16:32 ... and he says 16:51 ... he really can't do math 17:35:11 <Terkhen> mmm... there's a widget-related bug in trunk: buttons at the scenario editor toolbar (except the map, music and land information buttons) don't raise after they have been clicked 17:35:17 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DCAB7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:35:43 <TrueBrain> I guess Ammler should be happy we removed the central-blacklist feedback from those filters ... he is really hammering the servers .. lol :) 17:36:03 <Terkhen> the pause, fast forward, settings and save buttons raise normally too 17:38:58 <TrueBrain> the MTA of Ammler tries to bypass greylisting ... sucky MTA .. 17:44:47 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFBA81.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:45:47 *** Elton02622 [~Delphi@189.82.173.67] has joined #openttd 17:45:54 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r17190 /trunk/src/lang/ (10 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) 17:45:54 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:54 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: bulgarian - 13 changes by Tvel 17:45:54 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: simplified_chinese - 1 changes by Gavin 17:45:54 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: german - 1 changes by planetmaker 17:45:55 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: indonesian - 2 changes by prof 17:45:55 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: polish - 3 changes by amateja 17:50:44 <Alberth> Terkhen: r17175? 17:54:01 *** Elton02622 [~Delphi@189.82.173.67] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:56:51 *** reldred1 [~reldred@115.131.198.105] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:57:29 <Terkhen> no, it was r17187-r17189 17:58:11 <Terkhen> I don't remember the revision exactly 18:01:09 <Alberth> those are changes in the news display windows 18:01:33 <Alberth> I meant that r17175 changes auto-raise behavior, limiting it to push buttons only 18:03:55 <Terkhen> mmm... but should they stay lowered even if the window they open is closed? 18:06:01 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.14.207.plusnet.pcl-ag01.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 18:10:05 <Terkhen> I have to go, I'll be back later 18:10:19 <Alberth> probably not 18:10:22 <Alberth> see you 18:14:27 *** reldred1 [~reldred@115.131.196.206] has joined #openttd 18:15:08 *** fjb_ is now known as fjb 18:22:20 *** Ammler [~ammler@ammler.ch] has joined #openttd 18:23:11 <Ammler> http://irclogs.qmsk.net/channels/openttd <--down 18:23:20 <Ammler> SpComb: ^ 18:23:42 <Ammler> @logs 18:23:56 <Ammler> @log 18:25:11 <LordAzamath> baek 18:25:47 <Yexo> Ammler: http://thegrebs.com/irc/ 18:33:34 <LordAzamath> lul i crashed OpenTTD with my AI 18:33:42 <LordAzamath> or well 18:33:44 <LordAzamath> froze 18:34:04 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm248.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:37:09 <Yexo> endless loop in a valuator? 18:37:24 <LordAzamath> no 18:37:37 <LordAzamath> removing a tile from a list in a valuator 18:37:45 <LordAzamath> the very tile it works on 18:38:06 <LordAzamath> valuating in a tile list and doing area.RemoveTile(tileID) 18:38:12 <LordAzamath> freezes it 18:38:18 <LordAzamath> I wonder if I should make a bug report 18:39:13 <Yexo> please do 18:39:25 <Yexo> although it may happen that only the documentation is updated stating you shouldn't do that :p 18:41:33 <LordAzamath> well I think it should rather give a warning at ai debug than to completely freeze openttd 18:44:28 <Yexo> as soon as I find a nice way to crash AIs from api code and a nice way to detect removing the element that's currentl being valuated, I'll be the first to crash the AI to avoid the problem 18:44:43 <Yexo> (warning messages in the AI debug panel don't get read, AI crash messages do) 18:45:50 <LordAzamath> hmm.. but there must be more ways to loop through a list, shouldn't there? :P 18:45:58 <LordAzamath> So I can still remove the tiles I want 18:46:12 <Yexo> removing while looping over the list is tricky 18:46:13 * LordAzamath is thinking of foreach 18:46:21 <Yexo> you can always use a foreach loop 18:46:39 <Yexo> but I think even in that case removing the element you're working on is not supported 18:46:53 <LordAzamath> hmm.. I'll continue at openttd.noai :P 18:47:06 <Yexo> easy workaround is adding all element you want to remove to a remove-list, then do orig_list.RemoveList(remove-list); after the valuate/foreach 19:07:40 <Yexo> quote from squirrel 2.2.3 changelog: "-fixed some minor bug" 19:09:48 <Alberth> :) 19:12:00 <OwenS> That changelog is beautifully descriptive 19:12:36 <Yexo> the rest of the changelog is better, this just caught my attention :p 19:15:27 *** Zorn [~zorn@d137056.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #openttd 19:22:55 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590c3f0e.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:25:49 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:26:07 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 19:26:49 <welshdragon> z hello Nite_Owl 19:27:30 <Nite_Owl> <see previous reply> 19:27:39 <welshdragon> :P 19:29:31 *** Polygon [~Poly@87.76.105.47] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:30:57 *** Polygon [~Poly@87.76.105.47] has joined #openttd 19:33:12 *** Wikie [~Wikie@79.117.156.143] has joined #openttd 19:34:53 <Terkhen> hi again 19:35:17 <Nite_Owl> Hello Terkhen 19:36:30 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db0197d.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Quit: saufen \o/] 19:38:44 <SpComb> Ammler: not sure why yet, but I restarted lighttpd 19:39:08 *** Wikie [~Wikie@79.117.156.143] has quit [Quit: What? WAIT noooo don't pull that pl...] 19:41:15 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAE854a.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:41:36 <Alberth> Terkhen: does this fix the raise button problem in the scenario toolbar? http://devs.openttd.org/~alberth/diffs/scen_toolbar_raisefix.patch 19:42:30 <Terkhen> let's see 19:43:40 <Alberth> just modified most buttons to push buttons 19:43:55 *** Polygon [~Poly@87.76.105.47] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:44:54 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc1-norw5-0-0-cust3.pete.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 19:51:19 *** xmakina [~xmakina@87.112.64.87.plusnet.ptn-ag2.dyn.plus.net] has quit [] 19:54:17 <Terkhen> Alberth: yes, now all buttons raise after being pushed 19:54:18 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DCAB7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Raubgut ist vom Umtausch ausgeschlossen!] 19:54:30 <Alberth> ok, thanks for testing 19:56:19 <Ammler> Thanks SpComb, now I can read what TrueBrain answered me, after he kicked me, he should learn, that not everyone has autojoin function ;-) 19:56:49 <Terkhen> you are welcome 19:57:48 <Xaroth> Ammler: I think it would have been more entertaining if you did :P 19:57:55 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!*ammler@ammler.ch] by petern 19:57:55 *** Ammler was kicked from #openttd by petern [not does it help] 19:58:15 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!*ammler@ammler.ch] by petern 19:58:15 <SpComb> example by example 19:59:32 <Terkhen> Alberth: the buttons that move the starting date are not working: they raise correctly but they don't alter the date... can that be caused by that patch? 20:00:16 <Alberth> weird 20:00:21 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-207-211.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Utm Aœ - Aja 35] 20:00:34 <Terkhen> I am going to check with unpatched trunk 20:02:12 <Alberth> that works, except rasing the buttons 20:02:39 <Terkhen> yes, I just checked 20:03:16 *** Pygma [~quassel@88.151.27.234] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:04:24 <Terkhen> all other buttons in the toolbar work correctly, though 20:04:48 <Terkhen> (in the patched version) 20:09:00 *** LordAzamath [~rightwing@82.131.16.156.cable.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.2/20090729225027]] 20:12:02 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g228073147.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 20:12:59 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DCAB7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:13:43 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc1-norw5-0-0-cust3.pete.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:16:18 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@frquadrat.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:22:02 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 20:23:57 <Alberth> Terkhen: http://devs.openttd.org/~alberth/diffs/scen_toolbar_raisefix2.patch this one works for me 20:27:06 <pavel1269> in depot also ^^ 20:27:15 *** Zorn [~zorn@d137056.adsl.hansenet.de] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )] 20:27:54 <pavel1269> i mean, when selling wagon or part of train, they dont raise also, havent tryed everything in depo 20:29:51 <Terkhen> Alberth: yes, every button in the toolbar is working perfectly with that patch 20:32:11 <Alberth> Terkhen: ok. 20:32:35 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D2FA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:33:09 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r17191 /trunk/os/win32/installer/install.nsi: -Add: windows installer can now optionnaly download opengfx and opensfx 20:33:50 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: alberth * r17192 /trunk/src/toolbar_gui.cpp: -Fix (r17175): Buttons in the toolbar of the scenario editor did not raise again. 20:34:19 <pavel1269> sounds like you should check all the gui windows :-) 20:34:23 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17193 /trunk/src/ai/api/ (ai_abstractlist.cpp ai_abstractlist.hpp): -Fix [FS#3124]: guard the valuator against 'external' modifications of the valuated list which could cause it to go into an infinite loop. 20:34:35 <Alberth> pavel1269: just the sell wagon, and sell chain buttons, right? 20:34:43 <pavel1269> well, not sure, sell train 20:34:48 <pavel1269> will test, mmt 20:35:00 <Alberth> (ie the upper 2 buttons) 20:35:12 <pavel1269> ye, only those 2 upper 20:37:03 <Alberth> pavel1269: I am, it is just called 'make them use nested widget tree instead of the old widget array', and it takes several months. 20:37:40 <pavel1269> hehe, but, good work :-) 20:38:00 <pavel1269> also ... what does nested widgets bring to "us" ... normal users? :P 20:38:37 <petern> widgets that are nested 20:38:39 <petern> duh 20:39:41 * pavel1269 looking in dictonary for "nested" 20:40:15 <pavel1269> ehh, what? :D 20:40:27 <pavel1269> so nothing new, but better work with them in code-wise? 20:40:59 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFBA81.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:41:04 *** _ln [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has joined #openttd 20:41:21 <Terkhen> in the road vehicle depot window, only the first button (sell single vehicle) remains lowered after being clicked 20:42:13 <Terkhen> the same happens for planes and ships 20:42:21 <Yexo> pavel1269: it makes all windows scaleable, so large fonts actually work without overflowing 20:43:05 <Alberth> or bigger sprites 20:43:55 <Alberth> and right to left languages get mirrored windows 20:44:36 <Alberth> and translators can use longer wording, and the window adapts 20:45:36 <glx> the screen won't be large enough for german ;( 20:45:39 <glx> ;) 20:47:22 <Alberth> all german users should buy a video projector 20:47:39 <glx> resolution is not infinite :) 20:48:05 <Alberth> an analogue video projector 20:50:54 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.14.207.plusnet.pcl-ag01.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 20:52:08 <Eddi|zuHause> german neither has one-letter-words nor a lot of monosyllable words 20:52:21 <Eddi|zuHause> which makes english sound plain and dumb in comparison 20:52:43 <Alberth> http://devs.openttd.org/~alberth/diffs/depot_raisefix.patch seems to work 20:52:51 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.14.207.plusnet.pcl-ag01.dyn.plus.net] 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21:01:02 <Alberth> is software ever truely stable? 21:01:16 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B84392.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:01:19 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 21:01:24 <_ln> yes, when it's old. 21:01:35 <_ln> (that's debian's idea of stable) 21:01:55 <Alberth> that's called 'legacy code' :) 21:02:11 <Alberth> well, enough today, good night all 21:02:16 <Terkhen> pacman is old and has that funny overflow error :) 21:02:19 <Terkhen> good night! 21:02:32 <Yexo> good night Alberth 21:02:58 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:09:57 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:10:04 *** Nickman87 [~nick.defr@23.207-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [] 21:12:08 <Terkhen> andythenorth: I am going to test v0.5e right now :) 21:12:33 <andythenorth> Terkhen: great ;) 21:22:04 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r17195 /trunk/src/3rdparty/squirrel/ (17 files in 5 dirs): -Update: squirrel 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