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00:05:04 *** gathers [~gathers@c80-216-137-37.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 00:09:54 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:40:40 *** Mks [~mks@c83-176-234-98.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:00:42 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 01:02:27 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [] 01:02:33 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 01:20:46 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DDCB9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Raubgut ist vom Umtausch ausgeschlossen!] 01:21:07 *** welshdragon [~welshdrag@80.247.163.137] has left #openttd [] 01:31:32 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@cpc1-stkn13-0-0-cust196.midd.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:37:23 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-65-96-207-14.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 01:46:54 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-65-96-207-14.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:05:49 *** gathers [~gathers@c80-216-137-37.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 02:12:41 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:27:50 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 02:29:48 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:5d97:f886:7e90:e1fb] has quit [Quit: bye] 02:35:23 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host86-148-36-126.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:40:02 *** Audigex [~audigex@78.148.94.156] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.10/2009042316]] 02:53:24 *** valhalla1w [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:03:09 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:03:13 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 03:08:44 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:13:21 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:26:30 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:39:39 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:42:22 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-81-109-185-122.hers.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:43:25 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:51:34 *** williham [~wito@25.244.251.212.customer.cdi.no] has joined #openttd 03:58:14 *** [wito] [~wito@25.244.251.212.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:58:54 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:00:07 *** nicfer [~Usuario@168.226.105.82] has joined #openttd 04:00:33 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 05:24:18 <planetmaker> TrueBrain: you might want to adjust http://translator.openttd.org/en/faq namely the last entry there to the current situation 05:48:14 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.76] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:48:34 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.14.207.plusnet.pcl-ag01.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 05:50:06 *** Nickman_87 [~nick.defr@32.60-136-217.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #openttd 06:00:54 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 06:18:35 *** Nickman_87 [~nick.defr@32.60-136-217.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:23:04 *** oskari89 [oskari89@212-149-207-211.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 06:42:34 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 06:43:28 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77CA7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:44:47 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77CA7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:51:21 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 06:51:21 *** R0b0t1 [~Enigma@64-136-216-213.dyn.everestkc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:58:39 *** em179 [~em179@203-59-116-27.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #openttd 06:59:45 *** em179 [~em179@203-59-116-27.dyn.iinet.net.au] has left #openttd [] 07:03:34 *** em179 [~em179@174-143-252-4.slicehost.net] has joined #openttd 07:06:05 *** em179 [~em179@174-143-252-4.slicehost.net] has quit [] 07:22:00 <thingwath> is there any specific reason for the czech translation to list genders in f m n order (=wrong)? 07:22:39 <Eddi|zuHause> that you have to ask the czech translator who put them there 07:22:48 <keoz> probably a woman 07:30:41 *** tdev [~tdev@p508EDB54.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:31:47 <thingwath> Ok, translation bugs fall into Interface category? 07:34:26 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.14.207.plusnet.pcl-ag01.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 07:37:47 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.14.207.plusnet.pcl-ag01.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 07:38:08 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.14.207.plusnet.pcl-ag01.dyn.plus.net] has quit [] 07:42:43 <Ammler> he, when does the order of gender matter? 07:43:03 <Eddi|zuHause> when writing them in {G 1 2 3} 07:43:44 <Ammler> so it is only workflow issue? 07:47:15 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.14.207.plusnet.pcl-ag01.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 07:50:44 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.14.207.plusnet.pcl-ag01.dyn.plus.net] has quit [] 07:52:50 *** reldred [~reldred@115.131.209.16] has joined #openttd 07:53:36 *** pavel1269 [~quassel@r2ao16.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 07:53:48 <pavel1269> hello 08:00:06 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@254.81.119-80.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 08:04:39 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.76] has joined #openttd 08:12:39 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@133.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 08:12:46 <Terkhen> good morning 08:13:52 <Noldo> morning 08:19:28 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... weird... konqueror/KDE3 can access my camera by media:/camera, but with Dolphin/KDE4, i can't access it... 08:20:07 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejh1.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 08:20:35 <Noldo> it doesn't use usb-mass-storage? 08:21:46 <Eddi|zuHause> no, it uses PTP 08:21:55 <Eddi|zuHause> i have installed gphoto and kio_kamera 08:22:53 <Eddi|zuHause> it works in konqueror/kde3, it even displays thumbnails, but i can't open the files with any application (gwenview, gimp) 08:23:40 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #openttd 08:24:22 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause: kde4-konqueror? 08:24:56 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: nope 08:25:23 <Ammler> dolphin is by far no replacement for konqueror, imo. 08:28:00 <Ammler> I used digiKam 08:29:59 <Eddi|zuHause> GAAH! i hate this... 08:30:00 <Eddi|zuHause> Error: RPM failed: Command was killed by signal 11 (Segmentation fault). 08:30:34 <Eddi|zuHause> rpm does not recover from that one, until a reboot... 08:31:10 <keoz> dont use rpm's :p 08:32:34 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, i will use rpms all day long... fuck off... 08:33:40 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i can't drag&drop the pictures from konqueror/kde3 into dolphin... have to open another konqueror window... 08:40:31 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAE9847.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 08:43:39 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@254.81.119-80.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:52:50 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:06:47 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has joined #openttd 09:13:21 *** welshdragon [~welshdrag@80.247.163.137] has joined #openttd 09:14:15 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-232.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 09:14:21 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-232.static.tpgi.com.au] has left #openttd [] 09:19:40 *** XeryusTC is now known as Xeryus|bnc 09:20:01 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@client-82-26-71-125.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:26:25 *** tdev_ [~tdev@p508EB451.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:27:57 *** Mks [~mks@c83-176-234-98.cust.tele2.se] has joined #openttd 09:29:13 *** majora06 [~majora06@ip51cd8f76.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 09:29:26 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 09:29:36 <majora06> can anyone help me with a multiplayer problem? 09:29:48 <majora06> please :D? 09:31:18 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@254.81.119-80.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 09:31:32 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 09:31:37 <majora06> anyone? 09:31:53 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAE9847.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:32:17 <keoz> maybee should you try just asking directly your question ? 09:33:04 <keoz> if somebody can and wants to help you, he will do it 09:33:05 <majora06> ok 09:33:13 <majora06> my problm is: 09:33:25 <majora06> me and my friend want to play via multiplayer 09:33:34 *** tdev [~tdev@p508EDB54.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:34:03 <majora06> when one of us starts a server, and generate a game it doesnt appear at my friends or my server list 09:34:33 <majora06> we both have mcafee virus checker and gave full access to openttd (for internet) 09:34:40 <majora06> what to do? 09:34:51 <TrueBrain> @openttd ports 09:34:51 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication and UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advertise) communication (outbound) 09:36:17 *** [1]Mark [~Mark@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 09:37:18 *** DorpsGek` [truebrain@openttd.org] has joined #openttd 09:37:21 *** mode/#openttd [+o DorpsGek`] by ChanServ 09:37:39 *** welshdra- [~welshdrag@80.247.163.137] has joined #openttd 09:37:47 *** |tux_mark_5| [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has joined #openttd 09:37:57 *** Xeryus|bnc is now known as XeryusTC 09:38:13 *** majora06 [~majora06@ip51cd8f76.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 09:39:20 *** Netsplit joule.oftc.net <-> kilo.oftc.net quits: @DorpsGek, Mks, Mark, keoz, tux_mark_5, welshdragon 09:39:20 *** DorpsGek` is now known as DorpsGek 09:39:44 *** welshdra- is now known as welshdragon 09:43:01 *** Netsplit over, joins: Mks 09:51:25 *** qwerty [~qwerty@ip51cd8f76.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 09:51:50 <qwerty> can anyone help me with my multiplayer problem: 09:51:51 <qwerty> Me and my friend would like to play online via multiplayer in OpenTTD. But when I make or he makes a server and generate a game, it doesn't appear on my or his server list. When he generated a server, I clicked find server, so it'll refresh, but still no server. I do see other servers and we can both join the same server, but not server made by one of us. We both have McAfee internet security and gave full internet access to openttd. What to do 09:52:23 <TrueBrain> @openttd port 09:52:23 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication and UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advertise) communication (outbound) 09:52:27 <TrueBrain> I hate repeating myself :) 09:52:36 <Noldo> that's why you have the bot 09:52:56 <qwerty> openttd port? 09:52:59 <qwerty> what's that? 09:53:13 <TrueBrain> OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication and UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advertise) communication (outbound) 09:53:15 <TrueBrain> use our wiki 09:53:18 <TrueBrain> use our forum search 09:53:20 <TrueBrain> use google 09:53:41 <qwerty> ok :D thanks. I'll google now 09:54:12 <TrueBrain> if I would get 5 euro for every time we get this question, I would be filty rich 09:54:30 *** Spoons [faux@molotov.compsoc.warwick.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:54:34 <qwerty> hahha, lol 09:55:04 <qwerty> can you help me even more :D:D:D:D:D:D:D? 09:55:14 <TrueBrain> use our wiki 09:55:22 <qwerty> then, how do we start a game? 09:55:32 <qwerty> But I don't understand it :S 09:55:35 <qwerty> :( 09:55:53 <qwerty> like this: 09:56:01 <TrueBrain> omg .... using a wiki is so hard: 09:56:02 <TrueBrain> http://wiki.openttd.org/Port 09:56:10 <TrueBrain> more clear it won't get, sorry 09:56:40 <qwerty> wiki isnt hard, just where can i put those command things 09:57:36 <qwerty> where can i put the command line syntax? 10:00:19 *** Spoons [faux@molotov.compsoc.warwick.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 10:01:54 *** Nickman_87 [~nick.defr@32.60-136-217.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #openttd 10:05:35 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:10:39 *** qwerty [~qwerty@ip51cd8f76.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 10:13:08 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 10:16:48 *** Mks [~mks@c83-176-234-98.cust.tele2.se] has quit [] 10:19:52 <Grelouk> Could we add new factories ? 10:32:33 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has joined #openttd 10:34:48 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.1.40.241] has joined #openttd 10:42:59 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejh1.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:47:11 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:49:55 *** reldred1 [~reldred@115.131.197.160] has joined #openttd 10:52:36 *** oskari89 [oskari89@212-149-207-211.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Utm Aœ - Aja 35] 10:54:00 *** reldred [~reldred@115.131.209.16] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:54:38 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-52.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #openttd 10:59:54 <planetmaker> Grelouk, we could 11:00:11 *** tdev_ [~tdev@p508EB451.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:02:32 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 11:17:20 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DE622.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:20:19 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAE9847.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 11:23:39 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 11:35:53 *** Rubidium [~Rubidium@rbijker.net] has joined #openttd 11:35:56 *** mode/#openttd [+o Rubidium] by ChanServ 11:35:59 <TrueBrain> INFINITE MONKEYS! 11:36:11 * TrueBrain hugs Rubidium 11:36:28 <z-MaTRiX> hey-ho 11:36:44 <Rubidium> yet no new episodes of Serenity... 11:36:50 <Rubidium> so... not enough monkeys 11:36:53 <TrueBrain> you expected them .. why? 11:37:46 <Rubidium> well, isn't that the point of infinite monkeys? Having everything? 11:38:12 <TrueBrain> but yeah, new episodes of Firefly would be nice ... 11:38:16 <TrueBrain> (Serenity is the movie :p) 11:38:44 <Rubidium> what? only 45 minute episodes? 11:38:50 *** green-devil [~l@d40a9496.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #openttd 11:39:14 <Rubidium> I rather have an equal amount of 120 minute episodes 11:39:37 <TrueBrain> get rich 11:39:38 <TrueBrain> make it 11:40:19 <Rubidium> I don't have enough monkeys 11:40:37 <Rubidium> and even if they would be procreating like rabbits you still won't have enough :( 11:40:55 <TrueBrain> 0 monkeys can't procreate, in general 11:42:02 <Rubidium> well... there is proof that monkeys can be created out of nothing 11:42:25 <TrueBrain> photons on the other hand, can 11:43:13 <Rubidium> probably irrefutable too: the bible states that god created them. The other theory is the big bang and Darwinism. 11:43:20 <Rubidium> so if both agree it must be true 11:47:40 *** lobstah is now known as lobster 11:49:26 <Rubidium> and now I'm bored again :( 11:49:32 <TrueBrain> awh 11:49:34 <TrueBrain> still stoned? 11:49:41 <Rubidium> partly 11:49:47 <TrueBrain> which part? 11:50:14 <Rubidium> my nose... that coating made the house stink like... a petrol station 11:50:39 <Rubidium> even though the windows are open and there's a nice draft 11:56:38 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:4d07:e4dd:ad43:543a] has joined #openttd 11:56:41 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:13:13 <TrueBrain> and bah bah bah, I hate not having VT-X 12:13:18 <TrueBrain> OSX fails on invalid CPU instruction :'( 12:14:06 <TrueBrain> Guru Meditation -2301 (VERR_REM_VIRTUAL_CPU_ERROR) 12:14:13 <TrueBrain> fatal error in recompiler cpu: triple fault 12:14:22 <planetmaker> TrueBrain, in order to satisfy my curiosity: what do you need an OSX-VM for? 12:14:35 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: what do you think? 12:14:36 <Rubidium> academic purposes ;) 12:14:52 <planetmaker> TrueBrain, a lot. But my crystal ball, you know :-) 12:15:04 <planetmaker> Or I'll have to assume you took on now yet another project: CF-rewrite 12:15:08 <TrueBrain> there is only one VERY obvious answer to that question :) 12:15:23 <TrueBrain> nah, CF-rewrite won't be any time soon 12:15:47 <planetmaker> hm... test environment then? 12:15:58 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 12:16:03 <TrueBrain> you do know how the current CF works, not? 12:16:04 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [] 12:16:12 <planetmaker> a VM for each iirc 12:16:47 <TrueBrain> so .. if I am trying to build a OSX VM .. then what would I be trying? :) 12:18:42 <planetmaker> yeah, well. Tell me if I haven't guessed right so far :-) 12:19:19 <planetmaker> hm... wait: currently you don't use an OS-X VM, but a cross-compiler, right? 12:19:21 <planetmaker> he :-) 12:20:05 * Rubidium would just like to say that what he has heard of TB's CF rewrite plans requires some quite structural changes to the build environment, a little too structural changes actually :) 12:20:06 <planetmaker> the problem will be that OS-X queries the TPM module upon startup afaik 12:20:35 <planetmaker> but, of course, that might be hacked :-P 12:21:57 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: I have no idea what you are talking about :p 12:22:11 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: over stupidities in OSX's design 12:22:58 <glx> [14:13:14] <TrueBrain> and bah bah bah, I hate not having VT-X <-- I's like to have AMD-V to be able to run 64bit vdi :) 12:24:32 *** green-devil [~l@d40a9496.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [] 12:25:09 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-52.prem.tmns.net.au] has quit [Quit: I'll get you next episode, Inspector Gadget! NEXT EPISODE!] 12:27:17 <TrueBrain> I can't remember when the last time Is aid this, but: REBOOT! 12:27:18 *** TrueBrain [~truebrain@145.118.72.64] has quit [Quit: reboot] 12:30:32 *** TrueBrain [~truebrain@145.118.72.64] has joined #openttd 12:31:38 <planetmaker> wb, TrueBrain :-) 12:38:32 <TrueBrain> tnx :p 12:39:04 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@cpc1-stkn13-0-0-cust196.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 12:39:05 <TrueBrain> I really really really hate it I don't have VT-X :( 12:39:19 <Rubidium> then fix that problem :) 12:39:24 <planetmaker> :-P 12:39:48 <TrueBrain> well, I have another older machine which has AMD-V .. so I will try it on that first now :) 12:39:53 <TrueBrain> but as the host is ESXi .. 12:40:03 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@254.81.119-80.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:41:01 * OwenS wonders what TrueBrain wants VT-X (What AMD now calls SVM?) for 12:42:44 <OwenS> And a company called Virona Labs have developed whats essentially a human virus scanner 12:49:26 <pavel1269> true: i jsut talked to that girl, which you said is scary :-D .... she said "i dont care, i have heard a lot of worse things" .. :-O 12:52:22 <Belugas> 'llo 12:52:32 * TrueBrain hugs Belugas! :) 12:52:34 <Belugas> jut one thing i want to say 12:52:39 <Belugas> I WANT TO GO BACK HOME!@!!!!!! 12:53:18 * TrueBrain gives Belugas a note saying he has to go home 12:53:22 <Rubidium> oh noes... our lovely white whale got beached again :( 12:57:08 <Belugas> yeah :( 12:57:15 <Belugas> TrueBrain, boss rejected the note :S 12:57:54 <TrueBrain> hmm .. sucks 13:01:40 <Belugas> yeah... big time... 13:02:16 <Belugas> but hey... i cannot complain. I had wonderfull weather, as opposed to my colleagues, who had quite a crappy one... 13:14:52 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db02b2f.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 13:35:05 <TrueBrain> how do you send CTRL+S in a screen :s 13:35:26 <Rubidium> ctrl+a - s? 13:37:10 <Sacro> http://www.google.fr/search?q=999999999999999+-+999999999999998 13:37:21 <Sacro> stupid metric users 13:38:27 <Rubidium> what has it to do with metic? 13:38:38 * Sacro shrugs 13:38:43 <Belugas> because he's METIculous 13:46:06 <planetmaker> http://www.google.fr/search?q=999999999999999+-+999999999999998 <-- I donate the same ridiculosity to Sacro in his beloved but really rediculous imperial units 13:46:26 <planetmaker> me. s/fr/co.uk/ 13:46:45 <Sacro> 7 is the same 13:50:42 *** green-devil [~l@d40a9496.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #openttd 13:55:47 *** [1]Mark is now known as Mark 13:58:15 *** reldred1 [~reldred@115.131.197.160] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:59:35 *** goodger [~ben@host86-158-204-9.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:02:17 *** goodger [~ben@host86-158-204-9.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 14:14:12 *** Pygma [~quassel@88.151.27.234] has joined #openttd 14:25:18 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAE9847.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:30:09 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@client-82-26-71-125.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 14:33:07 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:36:01 <Eddi|zuHause> why do DVD+RWs not have the equivalent of "bad sectors"? 14:38:09 <Rubidium> probably because DVDs don't and they want them to be readable in DVD readers 14:40:26 <Eddi|zuHause> what's the easiest way to do "for i in *" recursively? 14:40:56 <TrueBrain> find -type f 14:43:45 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 14:49:20 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 14:57:19 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:01:50 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 15:06:21 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F73A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:12:33 <Belugas> mmh... i know what was missing... music... 15:12:39 <Belugas> programs better that way... 15:13:08 *** green-devil [~l@d40a9496.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:13:22 *** green-devil [~l@d40a9496.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #openttd 15:18:30 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-65-96-207-14.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 15:26:21 *** bb10 [~nn@dhcp-077-248-075-030.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 15:33:21 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fc97c.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 15:55:48 *** _ln [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has joined #openttd 15:58:48 <TrueBrain> it has said before, and I say it again: OSX SUCKS! 15:58:55 <TrueBrain> I think we should drop that target 15:59:57 <PeterT> :) 16:00:58 <_ln> yeah, "we" should. 16:01:20 <_ln> (didn't I suggest that earlier already?) 16:01:48 *** Nickman_87 [~nick.defr@32.60-136-217.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:02:39 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: at least on the untestable versions of OSX 16:03:01 <Rubidium> untestable for developers that is 16:03:10 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: so 10.3 ppc, 10.4 ppc, 10.5 ppc, 10.4 intel, 10.5 intel and 10.6 intel? :p 16:03:47 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: no, we keep support for 10.3.9. That works in PearPC, ask glx 16:04:25 <glx> it works but can't be build natively ;) 16:04:44 <Rubidium> but it *is* testable 16:04:48 <glx> yes 16:05:24 <Rubidium> on the other hand, you might call it untestable because the only way to get binaries in there is via a CD which (IIRC) must be connected at boot time 16:06:14 <glx> also true :) 16:06:28 <glx> because network support sucks in pearpc 16:07:22 <glx> it uses TAP 16:07:37 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-65-96-207-14.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:12:50 <TrueBrain> so ... byebye OSX :P 16:12:56 <TrueBrain> Apple didn't want to sponsor us :( 16:13:14 <_ln> did you try? 16:17:34 <williham> Noo. 16:17:37 <williham> Don't drop OSX! 16:17:41 *** williham is now known as [wito] 16:17:44 *** jojor [~jojor@53520924.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 16:18:23 <[wito]> PPC you can probably drop; but intel should be kep 16:18:24 <[wito]> t 16:18:55 <jojor> is there a patch with sharing infrastructures and cargodist in one? 16:22:55 *** insulfrog [~trainslov@92.19.131.208] has joined #openttd 16:23:05 <insulfrog> hi 16:24:13 <planetmaker> jojor, o 16:24:16 <planetmaker> no 16:24:21 <planetmaker> hi insulfrog 16:26:27 <TrueBrain> [wito]: yeah, tnx for those very wise words 16:27:04 <[wito]> TrueBrain: Seriously; those of us on a mac would never get a seconds peace from the "MACS SUX FOR GAMING OLOLS!" crowd 16:27:38 <TrueBrain> yes, indeed, the reason we complain about OSX is because we are making a game 16:27:55 <[wito]> except it has worked so far; what has changed? 16:27:57 <TrueBrain> it has absolutely nothing to do with the fact we don't have a OSX and can't get OSX running on any of our systems 16:28:30 <glx> [wito]: no real changes, except every new OSX version breaks stuff in our code 16:28:31 <TrueBrain> if I would make a piechart about how much time goes in what target, from my point of view 16:28:34 <TrueBrain> OSX would takes 90% 16:29:03 <[wito]> What's the biggest hurdle? 16:29:03 <TrueBrain> but okay, because [wito] says so, we can drop PPC, and we should keep Intel 16:29:04 <TrueBrain> lol 16:29:07 <TrueBrain> OSX! 16:29:07 <[wito]> Lack of a native build machine? 16:29:29 <TrueBrain> lack of EVERYTHING 16:30:01 <TrueBrain> native build machine, native test machine, normal GCC, normal cross-compile options, ... 16:30:52 <TrueBrain> it does amaze me that mac users dare to speak for other mac users :) 16:30:53 <planetmaker> uhm... TrueBrain "normal gcc"? 16:31:10 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: OSX has more patches to make gcc compile for the OSX target, then any other :) 16:31:26 <TrueBrain> which is mostly due their problems with how GCC maintainers handler their patches, but okay ;) 16:31:27 <[wito]> Right 16:31:30 <planetmaker> but that doesn't stop you using it normally... 16:31:42 <[wito]> But a native build machine would alleviate at least a few of these problems, yeah? 16:31:51 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: because of the many patches, their gcc is hard to get in a cross-compile situation :) 16:32:10 <TrueBrain> [wito]: it would; just we don't 'outsource' such building machine 16:32:16 <planetmaker> he... ok, never tried that, I have to admit. 16:32:16 <[wito]> Right, makes sense 16:32:29 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: it is all Rubidium and I do for OSX :P 16:32:48 <[wito]> But one could potentially smack a Mac Mini into the build farm and put it to work, yeah? 16:32:50 *** Azrael [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 16:33:05 <planetmaker> wito: potentially, probably yes. But $$$ 16:33:07 <[wito]> Assuming one had EUR400 lying around -_- 16:33:08 <[wito]> right 16:33:16 <TrueBrain> and I don't go and put a Mac Mini in a data center :p 16:33:32 <planetmaker> TrueBrain, why not? That's actually not a bad choice and it's done. 16:33:46 <TrueBrain> euh .. my DC sees me coming :p 16:34:42 <[wito]> Why not put up a donation drive and let the people decide? 16:35:21 <TrueBrain> mostly? Because it is insane for one target (which only takes a small %) to go through all that trouble 16:35:36 <[wito]> Which is the beauty of a drive 16:35:40 *** Azrael [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:36:09 <[wito]> either there are EUR400 (or however much an appropriately specced Mini would cost in your currency) worth of users that want it bad enough, or there isn't 16:36:15 <glx> if at least it was possible to run it in a VM 16:36:21 <TrueBrain> again: I can't put a mini in a DC 16:36:26 <[wito]> Why not? 16:36:28 <TrueBrain> we talk about, including additional costs, 2000 euro 16:36:47 <TrueBrain> LOL! Make some people laugh, pick up your mini and walk up to a DC, and ask if they want to host it :p 16:36:48 <[wito]> eugh 16:37:05 <planetmaker> TrueBrain, there are datacentres which explicitly offer that. 16:37:11 <[wito]> TrueBrain: Heh, here in Oslo there are at *least* two data centers that offer that 16:37:13 <[wito]> probably more 16:37:13 <planetmaker> It's not as ridiculous as you make it sound now 16:37:14 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: not DCs I want to deal with :) 16:37:20 <frosch123> you lost the test machine in your discussion 16:37:23 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: it is :) From so many points of view :) 16:37:29 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:37:34 <planetmaker> not at all. 16:37:40 <[wito]> as special low-budget options, no les 16:37:43 <[wito]> *less 16:37:53 <planetmaker> or you need an xserve and a server license. But that's way more EUREUREUR 16:38:01 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: as I said: 2000 ;) 16:38:13 <[wito]> hmm 16:38:21 <[wito]> TrueBrain: .de, right? 16:38:26 <TrueBrain> wrong 16:38:30 <[wito]> .nl? 16:38:46 <frosch123> .hl? 16:39:07 <[wito]> Ok, well 16:39:13 <[wito]> I thought I'd suggest it, at least. :P 16:39:53 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: about having any non-19" in a DC: that always means they have poor ventilation (as you can't ventilate non-19" correctly) 16:40:09 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 16:40:23 <TrueBrain> to continue they are much less 'fire'proof then 19" would be 16:40:30 <TrueBrain> and I can think up a few more points :) 16:40:39 <TrueBrain> all 'normal' DCs in the netherlands refuse non-19" nowedays :) 16:40:49 <TrueBrain> even more the ones which are env-friendly :) 16:41:18 <planetmaker> TrueBrain, I'm pretty sure those which host mac mine have an appropriate solution for that 16:41:27 <planetmaker> they even offer it themselves to supply them. 16:41:48 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: that would be a big suprise to me :) 16:41:54 <TrueBrain> it sucks to put such machines in 19" racks 16:42:13 <planetmaker> As said: I don't know how they do it, but surely they do. 16:42:15 <TrueBrain> but I would love to see pics of such machines in a DC :) 16:43:46 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: which DC would offer that, btw? 16:44:10 <planetmaker> I didn't bookmark it. I was searching for apple server hosting :-) 16:44:27 <TrueBrain> as I really can't believe any sane DC would :) 16:44:30 <planetmaker> I think it's some US company 16:45:01 <glx> http://www.idealinternet.co.uk/apple_mac_mini_colocation.tpl 16:45:16 <TrueBrain> LOL!!! 16:45:19 <TrueBrain> That is insane :) 16:45:50 <glx> http://www.freemacblog.com/using-your-mac-as-a-server/ even worse :) 16:45:51 <TrueBrain> but okay, planetmaker, you are right, it is possible :) 16:45:55 <TrueBrain> still rediculous idea :) 16:46:17 <TrueBrain> glx: the last is a very simple DC I will never want to deal with :) 16:48:59 <TrueBrain> [wito]: btw, I appreciate your suggestion, and I am sorry if I sound harsh; on a regular base I get about 2 or 3 of such 'suggestions' a month in my mailbox, one even worse then the other :p OpenTTD grow from simple connected user-based 'servers' to paid full dedicated servers. I would hate to go back to 'houtje touwtje knoopwerk' .. I fail to translate that :) 16:50:18 <TrueBrain> but talking about real solutions, planetmaker found a nice site which only requires a OSX license to get hosting 16:50:23 *** jojor [~jojor@53520924.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 16:50:57 <TrueBrain> but we all know how expensive OSX licenses are :( 16:51:06 <planetmaker> 500$US... or 450EUR 16:51:15 <planetmaker> as it needs a server license... 16:51:19 <TrueBrain> I couldn't find if that was one-time or yearly 16:51:30 <[wito]> one-time 16:51:40 <planetmaker> one-time afaik 16:51:41 <TrueBrain> (their website is not one of the best when you want to get information :p) 16:51:45 <[wito]> insofar as I can remember, anyway 16:52:07 <planetmaker> after all they sell you that server license then with an unlimited client license :-) 16:52:18 <[wito]> It's only good for one version, tho', and upgrading costs a bit; but 10.6 Server is probably going to be stable for quite a while 16:52:32 <TrueBrain> I wonder if 10.6 is the version for us to use 16:52:40 <TrueBrain> we need to keep able to produce 10.4 PPC 16:52:40 <Rubidium> don't forget that it costs 500 US$ per year to get 'early' access to their new SDKs and such 16:53:02 <[wito]> Rubidium: Yeah, but does OpenTTD need that? 16:53:03 <Rubidium> without going into stealing it 16:53:12 <planetmaker> Rubidium, well, but a one-time license would suffice. 16:53:34 <Rubidium> planetmaker: uhm, that doesn't get us 10.7 API *before* it gets released 16:53:36 <planetmaker> the early-access is something not really needed, I think 16:53:48 <Rubidium> so we cannot do ANY testing of it *before* it gets released 16:53:53 <planetmaker> Rubidium, yes. Which I agree, is a pain. But not absolutely necessary 16:54:01 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: at release, can we upgrade? :P 16:54:14 <planetmaker> TrueBrain, most probable. 16:54:21 <planetmaker> but not for free :-P 16:54:22 <Rubidium> and based on previous experience about how much gets broken on OSX upgrades, you'll need a few weeks to work out the kinks 16:54:33 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: exactly :) 16:54:35 <planetmaker> we'll see. 16:54:35 <[wito]> also, stuff built for 10.n tends to stay relatively compatible wiht 10.n+1 16:54:39 <Rubidium> and be able to test whether your hacks to make it work for the newer version don't break on the older version 16:54:42 <TrueBrain> so in the end OSX will cost most of the money OpenTTD spends 16:54:48 <planetmaker> I'll get 10.6 quite soon. So I'll test it there :-) 16:55:00 <planetmaker> [wito], that's relative. 16:55:01 <glx> [18:54:37] <[wito]> also, stuff built for 10.n tends to stay relatively compatible wiht 10.n+1 <-- not true 16:55:08 <planetmaker> As compatible as win95 is to win7 16:55:16 <planetmaker> same as 10.3 to 10.6 16:55:28 <Rubidium> well, 10.4->10.5 was already a hell 16:55:46 <TrueBrain> try creating a 10.2 binary :p 16:56:07 <Rubidium> especially Apple's idea of making 8bpp randomly work or work not at 10.5, whereas it reliably worked on 10.6. 16:56:22 <TrueBrain> s/10.6/10.4/ 16:56:22 <[wito]> you can build a binary that works from 10.3.9 to 10.5 (probably 10.6) 16:56:31 <Rubidium> it took like 3 OpenTTD releases before it all worked fine again 16:56:38 <Rubidium> thanks TrueBrain :) 16:56:45 <TrueBrain> you are very welcome :) 16:56:48 <Rubidium> and 3 OpenTTD releases equals roughly half a year 16:56:56 <TrueBrain> [wito]: you have NO idea how much time and effort it took to get OpenTTD there 16:57:02 <TrueBrain> so be careful what you state and suggest ;) 16:57:11 <Rubidium> whereas we haven't had such problems with either Vista or Windows 7 as far as I know 16:57:20 <[wito]> well, once you add cross-compiling on a non-native machine into the mix, it gets hairy, this I see. 16:57:25 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: well, there was one problem, of slow GDI ;) 16:57:30 <glx> especially as we don't have an active dev with OSX 16:57:35 <[wito]> But again, I'm thinking a native build machine would solve some of these issues 16:57:38 <TrueBrain> [wito]: that part has NOTHING to do with cross-compiling 16:57:40 <planetmaker> glx, that's the main obstacle, I think 16:57:42 <Rubidium> not to mention the fracking hoops OpenTTD is jumping through get 10.3 and 10.5 supported in the same build 16:57:42 <TrueBrain> again, be careful what you suggest 16:57:56 <planetmaker> it'd sort out way easier, if a person natively would / could deal with issues. 16:58:20 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: absolutely right :) 16:58:23 <Rubidium> 10.4->10.5 was even before releases were cross-compiled, so the cross compiler had nothing to do with it 16:58:26 <TrueBrain> I already asked my boss for a mac :p 16:59:47 <Rubidium> but then, if you're a OSX fanboy you don't care about the hoops people have to jump through to support more than 2 versions at a time 17:00:13 <TrueBrain> "de beste stuurlui staan aan wal" <- someone care to translate? :p 17:01:43 <[wito]> "the best place for stuurlui in the world"? 17:01:49 <[wito]> whatever a stuurlui is 17:01:58 <Rubidium> and anyone who says that OSX only needs 1 binary and there are 3 Windows binaries should be shot; for OSX all 3 binaries are put in a single package so they can just point-and-drool 17:02:05 <TrueBrain> it comes down to: those who never did it always know better how it should be done 17:02:16 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAE9847.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 17:02:34 <[wito]> TrueBrain: You're right, I never did write a huge cross-platform project in C++ and tried compiling it for OS X as well 17:02:38 <[wito]> I'll freely admit to this. 17:02:40 <Rubidium> 17. De beste stuurlui staan aan wal 17:02:40 <Rubidium> >The best steersmen are ashore< 17:02:41 <Rubidium> (i.e. Outsiders always think they know better) 17:02:46 <glx> Rubidium: remember your ultimate OSX build including 5 targets :) 17:03:01 <TrueBrain> [wito]: so accept it if we tell you it is FAR from easy 17:03:07 <planetmaker> glx, isn't it now already 5 or so? 17:03:23 <Rubidium> glx: no, because 64 bits builds are slower, at least on PPC 17:03:29 <[wito]> I'm sorry if it seemed as if I was asking "Dudes, why don't you do this totally easy shit!?" 17:03:34 <Rubidium> according to our OSX developer 17:03:43 <[wito]> I didn't mean to make light of your hard work. 17:04:05 <[wito]> I was just dismayed at the thought of a large and perhaps significant open source project dropping OS X support. 17:04:10 <TrueBrain> [18:54] <[wito]> also, stuff built for 10.n tends to stay relatively compatible wiht 10.n+1 <- so please refrain yourself from making such comments 17:04:15 <glx> isn't he the dev saying a codechange should make something faster without testing it ? 17:04:25 <glx> ;) 17:04:34 <planetmaker> [wito], not yet :-) 17:04:42 <[wito]> TrueBrain: I'm sorry, that should have been qualified with "In my experience when working with compiling less hairy projects; [...]" 17:04:52 <planetmaker> If you own one: you're very welcome to look at the open bugs and try yourself on one of them 17:04:59 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: it holds, where n = /i/ 17:04:59 <TrueBrain> appoligy accepted 17:05:08 <planetmaker> it will surely be looked upon with honest consideration and appreciation 17:05:17 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: very true :) 17:05:36 <planetmaker> I know. 17:05:42 <Rubidium> glx: could be, but there are so many OSX developers that it's hard to keep track of them 17:05:47 <planetmaker> And I know that I kinda failed half-way on the font selection... 17:05:51 <[wito]> Well, my C++ is a bit rusty (on account of my hating the language), but I could have a look at some of the bugs 17:05:52 <glx> planetmaker: weren't you working on auto select font on OSX ? 17:06:07 <planetmaker> glx, yes... but it's hard :-) 17:06:35 <planetmaker> It's probably not easy. And it's also not easy to get to know all that OS-X APIs... 17:06:42 <TrueBrain> [wito]: I think you need a bit more than rusty C++ knowledge to catch those bugs .. or rather .. ObjC knowledge :p 17:06:52 <[wito]> ObjC, now *that* I can do 17:06:53 <planetmaker> and then add my lack of C/C++ in-depth experience... 17:07:01 <glx> even more when the API changes for each new release 17:07:06 <TrueBrain> if you would know OSX a bit, you would know OSX runs on ObjC .. 17:07:09 <TrueBrain> all their APIs are ObjC :( 17:07:10 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: more like ObjC++ 17:07:14 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: fair enough 17:07:15 <planetmaker> it's not forgotten. But I got quite a bit frustrated with the segmentation faults I constantly got. 17:07:30 <planetmaker> And the lack of success despite spending hours on it :-) 17:07:38 <TrueBrain> welcome to our world :) 17:07:45 <planetmaker> :-) I know. 17:07:48 <[wito]> TrueBrain: I went right ahead and assumed that the problems were in the glue code; but if it's in the actual ObjC parts, I could take a good solid whack at that 17:07:54 <Rubidium> ... of trying to get OSX to run on non-Apples 17:07:59 <TrueBrain> [wito]: good luck! 17:08:08 <glx> [wito]: if you are interressed feel free to check http://bugs.openttd.org/task/2782 :) 17:09:27 <[wito]> I could take a look at http://bugs.openttd.org/task/2484 17:09:57 <[wito]> I'll have a look at it over the next week and see if I can hammer something out. 17:10:11 <TrueBrain> [wito]: good luck! 17:10:19 <[wito]> Thank you, I'll need it ^_^ 17:10:24 <TrueBrain> yup 17:12:42 <TrueBrain> if only virtualbox would be able to run OSX, we would be done :( 17:12:49 <TrueBrain> another sad day of useless attempts 17:15:10 <Rubidium> a black cat went past us and then another that looked just like it :) 17:15:27 <TrueBrain> WHERE ARE THE WINDOWS! 17:15:37 <glx> on the walls 17:15:40 <planetmaker> ^ 17:15:43 *** green-devil [~l@d40a9496.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:15:47 <TrueBrain> pfew ... for a moment I thought we lost Windows too 17:17:05 <OwenS> Rubidium: You're making me want to hug Bliss :P 17:17:48 *** tosse_ [tosse@tosse.pp.se] has joined #openttd 17:18:42 *** green-devil [~l@d40a9496.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #openttd 17:19:08 <Rubidium> tss... where is OFTC when you need it? I wanted to be ping timeout kicked :( 17:19:53 <TrueBrain> poor Rubidium 17:22:47 * planetmaker gives Rubidium 480 seconds of patience 17:22:59 <TrueBrain> I love my subwoofer 17:23:01 <planetmaker> I know, it's not a lot :-P 17:23:18 <TrueBrain> it started to rain outside! :) How jolly good!! 17:23:50 <blathijs> TrueBrain: Is there any fundamental problem of running OSX in virtualbox? 17:23:53 <Rubidium> says TrueBrain just before mentioning he needs to do groceries for his dinner tonight 17:23:54 <planetmaker> hm... then, I guess, tomorrow will be bad here, too. Too bad... Paintball & rain don't work well together... 17:24:08 <TrueBrain> blathijs: for my local it is simple: it doesn't detect the CDRom when the kernel is loaded 17:24:20 <TrueBrain> which is vbox not allowing you to control the controller or what ever of the CDRom 17:24:32 <Rubidium> blathijs: depends on what fundamental is, but there is at least an inability to install OSX 17:24:43 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: hmm .. paintball :) 17:24:47 *** tosse [tosse@tosse.pp.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:25:10 <TrueBrain> blathijs: remotely, on 10.5 kernels, the window stays black. Most likely the video driver, but again here virtualbox refusing to use some simple custom hardware emulation 17:25:13 <planetmaker> yeah. Competition of our institute vs. the theoretical people :-P 17:25:16 <TrueBrain> (or my inability to find it :p) 17:25:17 <blathijs> Rubidium: I was thinking about something fundamental as OSX won't install on virtual hardware since it needs some kind of TPM device or something :-) 17:25:27 <TrueBrain> blathijs: the TPM is _very_ easy bypassed :) 17:25:51 <TrueBrain> an initrd like system (boot-132) inserts a ... different version of the package doing that validation :) 17:26:03 <Rubidium> blathijs: you can always hack around and checks the OS does in a virtual environment 17:26:04 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: can I join? :) 17:26:20 <TrueBrain> Qemu even has emulation for TPM :p 17:26:32 <Rubidium> s/and/any/ 17:27:29 <planetmaker> TrueBrain, sure. Tomorrow 18:30 local time 17:27:49 <TrueBrain> ghehe :) 17:28:01 <Rubidium> enough time for DB to bring you there 17:28:02 *** KingJ [~KingJ-OFT@oops.i.forgot.to.set.my.hostmask.kingj.net] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 17:28:19 <planetmaker> sure, yes 17:28:42 <planetmaker> if you're quick, you might even cycle and succeed. But that would need quite a bit of endurance :-) 17:28:59 <blathijs> Rubidium: Not always, if it does some cryptographic challenge, you can only fix that by modifying the OS code 17:29:01 <Rubidium> IC to Utrecht, ICE to Germany, some other IC[E]s and then maybe a local train 17:29:16 <Rubidium> blathijs: that can be done fairly easily too 17:29:23 <planetmaker> no local train needed. We have ICE stops 17:29:39 <TrueBrain> blathijs: as I said: you can inject code inside the OS itself :) 17:29:42 <planetmaker> I can go to Amsterdam with switching once. 17:29:46 <TrueBrain> so not even direct modifying :) 17:29:47 <planetmaker> in Hanover 17:30:06 <Rubidium> hmm, that'd be the IC via Bad Bentheim 17:30:18 <Rubidium> that one's slow :) 17:30:29 <planetmaker> yeah, I guess it is. 17:30:38 <Rubidium> though I'd be able to wave to TB when he passes Hengelo 17:30:50 <Rubidium> wouldn't take me much effort to get there 17:31:08 <TrueBrain> you do understand you will come with in such cases? 17:31:09 <TrueBrain> like blathijs 17:31:19 <blathijs> Uh, what? 17:31:30 <TrueBrain> tomorrow we are going to beat planetmaker in a game of paintball 17:31:32 <TrueBrain> he just invited us :p 17:31:39 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aeji169.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 17:31:44 <Rubidium> he pays the tickets? 17:31:52 <TrueBrain> his department, I assume, yes 17:32:08 <TrueBrain> I can travel for free inside this country, so he only has to pay for the ICE :p 17:32:48 <planetmaker> Accomodation is something I could provide to you. 17:32:49 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db02b2f.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Quit: sch?tzenfest \o/] 17:32:51 <planetmaker> Ticket is 35EUR 17:32:57 <TrueBrain> oh, affordable 17:33:17 <blathijs> TrueBrain: I need to be in Utrecht at 19.30, would that work? 17:33:23 <TrueBrain> the game is at 18:30 17:33:25 <TrueBrain> no 17:33:40 <planetmaker> I surely could also accomodate all three of you. One will need to take an insulation matrase though 17:34:10 <TrueBrain> we should do that for r20000 17:34:17 <TrueBrain> OpenTTD Funds pays for the tickets, right orudge? :p :p :p 17:34:28 <planetmaker> haha :-) 17:34:31 <Rubidium> hmm, 35 EUR? 17:34:55 <planetmaker> I would love that! :-) 17:34:59 <Rubidium> DB says it's quite a bit more (53) 17:35:17 <Rubidium> oh, I only need to change once if I go via dortmund 17:36:18 <planetmaker> Rubidium, I was talking of the paintball ticket... 17:36:22 <planetmaker> not train :-) 17:36:26 <TrueBrain> oh .... 17:36:37 <TrueBrain> then it starts to become very expensive :p 17:36:38 <Rubidium> oh, so 150 euros... that's a bit expensive 17:36:38 <planetmaker> but if you're 3 people, a car will be cheaper, I guess 17:36:41 <TrueBrain> 88 euro in total ... 17:36:55 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: 150? 53 + 35 ? 17:37:06 <_ln> 2*53 + 35? 17:37:08 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: 53 is single 17:37:12 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: even if we hav eto rent that car? 17:37:19 <Rubidium> and you need two, cause you can't get back on the same day 17:37:26 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: sucks 17:37:30 <planetmaker> TrueBrain, I would bet. I rented a car for 70EUR incl. 900km for the last weekend. 17:37:42 <planetmaker> plus fuel, of course. But even then. 17:37:49 <TrueBrain> so a car it is :p 17:37:51 <TrueBrain> r20000 17:37:53 <_ln> dutch fuel is expensive 17:37:53 <TrueBrain> planetmaker's place 17:37:59 <planetmaker> ok 17:38:12 *** KingJ [~KingJ-OFT@oops.i.forgot.to.set.my.hostmask.kingj.net] has joined #openttd 17:38:17 <planetmaker> give me a guestimate for the time and I'll see that we can have a nice party :-) 17:38:23 <TrueBrain> 0800 17:38:36 <_ln> don't forget the cake 17:38:46 <planetmaker> 0800? 17:38:48 <TrueBrain> where is Bart ... 17:38:52 <TrueBrain> 08:00 17:39:18 <Rubidium> just one day, say from: 00:01-11 till 23:59+14 :) 17:39:23 <planetmaker> in the moring? ;-) for r20.000. You've quite a bit of work, I say :-) 17:39:39 <TrueBrain> you didn't ask for the date 17:39:44 <planetmaker> :-P 17:39:54 <planetmaker> time includes date :-P 17:39:57 <TrueBrain> no :) 17:39:59 <TrueBrain> datetime does 17:40:08 <planetmaker> of course. time is given in JD :-) 17:41:49 <planetmaker> well, 8pm is fine :-) 8am is when I can offer you breakfast :-P 17:44:17 <Rubidium> planetmaker: it's very easy to get to 20000 revisions 17:44:41 <planetmaker> Rubidium, I know :-) 17:44:47 <planetmaker> But will you do that? 17:44:57 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 17:45:17 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Rubidium * r20000 /: -Feature: party at planetmaker! 17:45:19 <planetmaker> Do that and you contributors are all invited to a party at my place in the weekend :-) 17:45:35 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r17274 /trunk/src/lang/ (czech.txt english_US.txt latvian.txt serbian.txt spanish.txt): 17:45:35 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:35 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: czech - 4 changes by SmatZ 17:45:35 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: english_US - 4 changes by agenthh 17:45:35 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: latvian - 54 changes by dzhins 17:45:36 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: serbian - 110 changes by etran 17:45:36 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: spanish - 1 changes by Terkhen 17:45:45 <planetmaker> haha :-) 17:47:07 <Rubidium> it really doesn't take a noticable effort to get to r20000 17:47:14 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 17:47:22 <Rubidium> just a script that does something simple (or commits nothing) 17:47:32 <planetmaker> sure, I know :-) 17:47:48 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.183.51] has joined #openttd 17:48:02 <planetmaker> Is having that party early worth 2500 empty commits to you - that's the real question :-) 17:48:33 <Rubidium> no, but technically with 975 less we'd be there too 17:48:54 <planetmaker> hm? 17:49:03 <planetmaker> that's when the initial repo got lost? 17:49:18 <Rubidium> that's what my history book said 17:49:25 <planetmaker> :-) 17:49:38 <planetmaker> hm... what's the commit count per day? 17:50:28 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.187.12] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:50:28 <Rubidium> @calc 24.0/2.7 17:50:28 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: 8.88888888889 17:50:43 <Rubidium> so about 9 commits a day 17:51:02 <OwenS> I imagine slightly more as commits seem to be getting more regular :p 17:51:11 <planetmaker> @calc 2736 / (24.0/2.7) 17:51:11 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: 307.8 17:51:17 <planetmaker> hm... nearly a year... 17:51:26 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@cpc1-stkn13-0-0-cust196.midd.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:51:39 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@cpc1-stkn13-0-0-cust196.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 17:51:40 <planetmaker> so... May / June next year that is. 17:51:48 *** green-devil [~l@d40a9496.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [] 17:51:50 <Rubidium> 310 last month, 260 this month 17:51:57 <Rubidium> would imply ~10 a day recently 17:52:52 <planetmaker> so it might even be April. All a nice time for a party. 17:53:41 <frosch123> so r20000 will be release 0.8.0 17:54:05 <planetmaker> :-) 17:54:14 <planetmaker> frosch123, that'll need careful timing then. 17:54:25 <planetmaker> but might be worth the hassle :-P 17:55:22 <TrueBrain> we did more crazy things :p 17:55:43 <planetmaker> :-) That's the spice! 17:57:56 <TrueBrain> now I need to think how to store some nasty piece of information ... 17:58:14 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: like what? 17:58:14 <frosch123> try with a piece of paper 17:58:38 <TrueBrain> my paid job work stuff thingy 17:58:57 * Rubidium is off making himself some dinner 17:59:17 <TrueBrain> but CF starts in a moment with vbox 3.0.4! :P 18:00:13 <TrueBrain> lets see if I fucked up ;) 18:00:25 * glx will try http://asendure.wordpress.com/2006/10/01/osx86-how-to-install-mac-os-x-on-vmware-server-amd-64/ 18:00:48 <TrueBrain> glx: I even have a preinstall for vmware .. but fails badly on virtualbox :( 18:01:01 <TrueBrain> but please try :) Although you might have more recent documentation on www.osx86.org 18:01:25 <glx> anyway I'm at step 3 :) 18:02:20 <TrueBrain> oeh, vbox 3.0.4 runs nicely 18:04:18 <TrueBrain> lol, obtain LEGAL OSX, and then they talk about the JaS edition 18:04:28 <TrueBrain> for sure that is NOT a legal version, as it hacks away a few restrictions :p 18:06:07 <TrueBrain> hmm .. by the looks both debian and macosx are not compiling ... 18:06:09 <glx> yeah 10.4.8 Jas :) 18:06:45 <glx> not easy to find torrents when the major database is unreachable 18:07:33 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAE9847.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:08:06 <glx> are you sure vbox runs nicely? 18:08:12 <TrueBrain> [20:06] <TrueBrain> hmm .. by the looks both debian and macosx are not compiling ... 18:08:40 <glx> shared drive failure maybe 18:09:03 <TrueBrain> one debian VM runs, the other does not 18:09:11 <TrueBrain> Debians and OSX are the only ones which failed 18:09:31 <_ln> let's drop debian 18:10:05 *** KingJ [~KingJ-OFT@oops.i.forgot.to.set.my.hostmask.kingj.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:13:41 *** Nickman_87 [~nick.defr@d54C3F29D.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:14:13 <TrueBrain> 2 nearly identical VMs, both Debian, same settings 18:14:15 <TrueBrain> one boots, the other hangs :p 18:22:54 *** tosse [tosse@tosse.pp.se] has joined #openttd 18:25:42 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-65-96-207-14.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 18:29:52 *** tosse_ [tosse@tosse.pp.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:36:59 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@client-82-26-71-125.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:37:53 <insulfrog> ooo, i like the east anglia scenario :) 18:41:43 <planetmaker> is bannas currently reachable or is it me? 18:41:59 <TrueBrain> I hope you mean: not reachable, else it is a VERY strange question :) 18:42:09 <planetmaker> :-P yes. 18:42:12 <planetmaker> and yes 18:42:22 <TrueBrain> hmm .. I lost network connectivity 12 minutes ago :s 18:42:25 <planetmaker> I get ingame a blank dialogue 18:42:28 <insulfrog> bananas is fine for me 18:42:43 <planetmaker> with nothing displayed to download or update. 18:43:01 <TrueBrain> I wonder what insulfrog accesses 18:43:10 <TrueBrain> as there hasn't been any server traffic for the last 12 minutes 18:43:29 <TrueBrain> it always amazes me what people consider 'fine' ;) 18:43:45 <insulfrog> i have just downloaded some needed GRF for the east anglia scenario 18:43:54 <TrueBrain> 'just' being 12+ minutes ago? 18:44:14 <OwenS> Well, that marks the first time I've read my mail right out of the Postfix mail spool 18:44:20 <insulfrog> no, in the last 5 mins...ah, its just gone offline 18:44:21 <TrueBrain> it for sure is possible you have connectivity, but I want to make sure you are not talking about past knowledge ;) 18:44:57 <OwenS> It does have two disadvantages: Filtering is next to impossible, and one has to manually decode any quoted-printable or Base64 :p 18:45:14 <planetmaker> :-P 18:45:17 <OwenS> (My mail is currently queuing up on my backup MX because my mailserver is inaccessible due to lack of router...) 18:45:53 <TrueBrain> 214 days uptime .. 18:45:55 <TrueBrain> hmm .. 18:45:57 <TrueBrain> this would be sad! 18:46:50 <TrueBrain> DorpsGek didn't timeout yet :p 18:47:02 <insulfrog> i have dowloaded the newgrf in the last 10 mins but it looks like bananas has been down for the last 5 mins 18:47:19 <TrueBrain> I have 4 screens telling me it went down at 18:30:16 :p 18:47:24 <TrueBrain> (give or take 3 seconds intervals) 18:47:38 <insulfrog> that is odd 18:48:00 <TrueBrain> it is odd in so many ways 18:49:48 <TrueBrain> ping6 is the worst nettool ever 18:49:59 *** DorpsGek [truebrain@openttd.org] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:50:18 <PeterT> servers.openttd.org is down too 18:50:29 <TrueBrain> and you expectd that to be up .. why? :p 18:51:44 <insulfrog> bananas has just come back online for me now 18:51:50 <SpComb> you broke it! 18:51:55 <TrueBrain> a power-cycle tend to do that ;) 18:52:05 <SpComb> silly 18:54:53 *** DorpsGek [truebrain@openttd.org] has joined #openttd 18:54:56 *** mode/#openttd [+o DorpsGek] by ChanServ 18:55:06 <TrueBrain> @whoami 18:55:12 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: I don't recognize you. 18:57:46 <TrueBrain> 15 minutes downtime, and people HAMMER the wiki page .. :s 18:58:40 <PeterT> where? 18:58:46 <PeterT> what wiki page? 18:58:55 <_ln> PeterT: put down that hammer 19:00:06 <TrueBrain> as far as I can tell, all services are up and running 19:00:10 <TrueBrain> let me know if I missed one 19:03:28 <Belugas> coffee service is down 19:03:31 <Belugas> like... big time 19:04:30 <OwenS> So he missed the HTCP server? :p 19:05:35 <TrueBrain> restarted the nightly 19:05:40 <TrueBrain> failures!! :) 19:05:42 <TrueBrain> cool :) 19:06:09 <OwenS> Belugas: Or is it currently returning a 418 error? 19:07:12 <OwenS> (418 I'm a teapot) 19:09:13 *** BaronChaos [~BaronChao@p5B26C724.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:09:25 <TrueBrain> okay, attempt 3 ... it seems to run correctly now :p 19:13:31 <planetmaker> let's eat bandwidth and get a few heightmaps :-) 19:13:44 <TrueBrain> we have plenty, so go ahead :p 19:14:06 <planetmaker> I don't though :-P 19:19:32 <_ln> do you have any sheep? 19:20:45 <insulfrog> sheep? 19:21:39 <insulfrog> o_O 19:22:04 <_ln> an animal, four feet, says "baaaaah" 19:22:23 <insulfrog> why do you want sheep? 19:23:10 <_ln> i don't, but there were huge amounts of sheep in the netherlands... so i figured some of them need to belong to someone here as this is such a dutch-rich channel. 19:37:22 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.14.207.plusnet.pcl-ag01.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 19:39:43 *** tdev [~tdev@p508EB451.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:48:44 *** bb10 [~nn@dhcp-077-248-075-030.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:54:50 *** KingJ [~KingJ-OFT@oops.i.forgot.to.set.my.hostmask.kingj.net] has joined #openttd 20:12:59 <_ln> quite a conversation killer 20:14:39 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@188.126.203.230] has joined #openttd 20:15:17 <frosch123> how's your elk? 20:15:22 <insulfrog> heh 20:15:46 <_ln> hiding 20:16:10 <TrueBrain> Today we are going to talk about a larch 20:16:19 * TrueBrain shows an image of one 20:17:01 <KenjiE20> "A Larch" 20:17:10 <Belugas> Noah's one? 20:17:13 <Belugas> Lurch? 20:17:19 <Belugas> "You rang??" 20:17:21 <frosch123> isn't that the noobish needle beam? 20:17:28 <Eddi|zuHause> noah's lurch? 20:17:38 <Prof_Frink> Noah's lunch? 20:17:45 <Prof_Frink> Did Joan pack it for him? 20:17:55 <Eddi|zuHause> well, he probably had two of them :p 20:18:40 <frosch123> yeah, noah had lots of Pair<bla> templates 20:19:39 * KenjiE20 wonders, am I the only one who got that reference? 20:20:44 <frosch123> likely, no idea about larchs 20:24:26 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@254.81.119-80.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 20:27:28 <Ammler> m?h, 20:27:42 <Ammler> ups, good night was that :-) 20:29:50 *** williham [~wito@25.244.251.212.customer.cdi.no] has joined #openttd 20:31:04 *** z-MaTRiX [~matrix@index.linuxsecured.net] has quit [Quit: rehashing] 20:33:06 <andythenorth> mmm, jquery 20:33:29 <Belugas> yeah 20:33:50 <Belugas> jquery, tquery, iquery, nquery, vquery, ilsquery... 20:34:48 <andythenorth> Belugas: I think we may be talking about something different :) At least, I have no idea what you mean. 20:35:32 <andythenorth> I should probably be doing something important, like drawing boats, but I'm learning javascript for fun 20:35:43 <andythenorth> ^ javascript and fun - usually an oxymoron 20:36:42 *** [wito] [~wito@25.244.251.212.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:36:48 <frosch123> learn script-fu instead 20:36:51 <glx> javascript and IE6 is fun :) 20:37:15 *** z-MaTRiX [~matrix@index.linuxsecured.net] has joined #openttd 20:37:17 <z-MaTRiX> hey 20:37:29 <frosch123> ho 20:37:31 <Belugas> "Je query, tu query, il querys, nous querissons, vous queryssez, ils queryssent" 20:38:19 <Rubidium> sounds french-ish 20:38:35 <Belugas> pretty much so indeed :) 20:38:53 <Belugas> sounds... not frenchish 20:44:06 <Eddi|zuHause> i thought it's "yo quiero" 20:46:35 *** green-devil [~l@d40a9496.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #openttd 20:50:21 <Belugas> hhahahahah... so simple! if a feature is not liked by some users, but wanted by some others, just put it in cheat 20:50:25 <Belugas> whauauauauau!!!!! 20:50:49 <Rubidium> hmm, is "code it yourself" a cheat too? 20:51:47 <Belugas> of course, even more if it requires creating a "savegame editor" 20:54:05 <frosch123> ???????? ???? 20:54:09 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fc97c.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:59:47 *** insulfrog [~trainslov@92.19.131.208] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:00:15 *** Mks [~mks@c83-176-234-98.cust.tele2.se] has joined #openttd 21:00:52 <Belugas> leave.. i shall leave 21:00:57 <Belugas> home... here i come! 21:01:00 <Belugas> ciao 21:03:39 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:11:14 *** Nickman_87 is now known as Nickman87 21:11:25 *** Nickman87 [~nick.defr@d54C3F29D.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 21:14:15 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@client-82-26-71-125.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 21:15:32 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:15:53 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 21:18:07 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:24:26 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 21:26:55 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-65-96-207-14.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:33:19 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F73A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:35:28 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: bbiab] 21:38:37 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80861.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:39:49 *** R0b0t1 [~Enigma@64-136-216-213.dyn.everestkc.net] has joined #openttd 21:40:52 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Quit: ecke] 21:40:53 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B825A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:40:56 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 21:50:17 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aeji169.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 21:51:16 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r17275 /trunk/src/group_gui.cpp: -Codechange: remember group ID we are renaming, don't rename currently selected group 21:54:10 <Nite_Owl> that needs a bit of explaining 21:54:36 <SmatZ> nothing important :) 21:54:52 <SmatZ> just the "Rename group" window remembers which group to rename\ 21:55:01 <SmatZ> and doesn't rename currently selected group 21:56:25 <Nite_Owl> choose group - click renaming icon - does NOT rename that group ?? 21:56:35 <SmatZ> it does 21:56:37 <SmatZ> but 21:56:48 <SmatZ> choose group - click renaming icon - choose other group 21:56:56 <SmatZ> or - delete selected group 21:57:05 <SmatZ> this behaviour is changed in r17275 21:57:24 <SmatZ> now, the first selected group is renamed 21:57:39 <SmatZ> and query is closed when group is deleted 21:58:21 <Nite_Owl> click renaming icon - choose group to rename - rename group 21:58:49 <SmatZ> you won't notice a change this way 22:00:03 *** pavel1269 [~quassel@r2ao16.net.upc.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:00:26 <Nite_Owl> a few uses and it will become clearer 22:00:51 <SmatZ> choose group - click renaming icon - choose other group 22:01:00 <SmatZ> r17274: newly selected group is renamed 22:01:12 <SmatZ> r17275: orignally selected group is renamed 22:01:26 <SmatZ> you have to select other group before you close the query 22:01:54 <Nite_Owl> understood 22:03:17 <Nite_Owl> the renaming dialog stays open while you have the option to select another group for renaming 22:03:28 <SmatZ> yeah :) 22:12:26 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has quit [] 22:12:49 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@133.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 22:16:56 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.14.207.plusnet.pcl-ag01.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 22:19:53 <Chris_Booth> evening all 22:20:10 <SmatZ> hello Chris_Booth 22:20:17 <Nite_Owl> Hello Chris_Booth 22:20:34 <Chris_Booth> i never talk in this channel just read 22:20:43 <SmatZ> neither do I 22:20:50 <SmatZ> I sometimes type though 22:22:08 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@254.81.119-80.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 22:22:54 <Chris_Booth> i never quite know what to say 22:23:58 <SmatZ> neither do I 22:27:46 *** tdev [~tdev@p508EB451.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:28:48 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:32:12 <OwenS> Hmm... I have a problem... If you do fn(new X());, and the call to fn causes a collection while allocating it's stack frame, then the X will get collected because it's not been pinned yet... 22:33:21 <SmatZ> really? in squirrel? 22:33:32 <SmatZ> looks like design failure 22:33:39 <OwenS> In my language :p 22:33:45 <SmatZ> ah 22:33:53 <SmatZ> looks like design failure 22:34:20 <OwenS> The way arround this is to of course allocate frames in the caller rather than callee and lower the args that way... but thats ugly :p 22:35:17 <OwenS> Plus it means the caller needs to know the callees frame size... which isn't always possible... 22:38:23 <Yexo> maybe a middle way can work? Allocate enough space for the arguments in the caller, then extend the needed space for local variables in the callee 22:39:11 <OwenS> That means my GC has to deal with relocating a partially allocated object... 22:39:43 <OwenS> I suppose as long as I maintain object ordering within the heap it's doable though 22:40:37 <OwenS> I think I'm going to allocate arguments into their own frame... it's simpler :p 23:06:24 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 23:08:42 <z-MaTRiX> hey-ho:) 23:08:48 <SmatZ> hello z-MaTRiX 23:09:00 <z-MaTRiX> hows life? 23:09:26 <SmatZ> not bad :) 23:09:41 <SmatZ> how are you? 23:10:30 <z-MaTRiX> flooded with problems to be solved 23:10:35 <z-MaTRiX> ;/ 23:11:40 <SmatZ> :( 23:12:24 <z-MaTRiX> it it cool to copy linux / to tmpfs, and run from there? 23:13:08 <SmatZ> it is cool 23:13:12 <SmatZ> but I am not sure if useful 23:13:42 <z-MaTRiX> was thinking about it would speed up loading programs 23:13:46 <SmatZ> data from disk should be cached if you have big enough RAM 23:14:09 <z-MaTRiX> how about 8GB ? 23:14:10 <OwenS> Yeah, it just means your programs end up backed by swap rather than their HD image. Increases HD wear. Actually not cool :p 23:14:18 <SmatZ> there is some FSCACHE feature in recent kernels... 23:14:40 <SmatZ> recent = 2.6.30 I think :) 23:14:45 <OwenS> I imagine you'd find it no faster than just running from disk if you take the time to copy everything to RAM into consideration 23:14:49 <SmatZ> never tried it, I don't know at what level it works 23:14:57 * SmatZ thinks the same as OwenS 23:15:17 <OwenS> Better idea = Get a decent SSD :P 23:15:29 <SmatZ> certainly faster would be something like "dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/ram0" or so 23:15:35 <SmatZ> and then mounting your ramdisk 23:15:36 <z-MaTRiX> hm 23:15:48 <SmatZ> eg. copying whole disk instead of data 23:16:01 <z-MaTRiX> nice to hear many aspects 23:16:05 <SmatZ> (sequential access X seeking file-by-file) 23:16:10 <OwenS> Yes but then Linux fscache runs on top of the ramdisk, so everything gets duplicated... 23:16:36 <SmatZ> OwenS: you can't disable the cache? 23:16:50 <OwenS> Not without taking initramfs with it 23:17:00 <OwenS> And Linux needs it anyway to support things like mmap 23:17:14 <SmatZ> what do you need initramfs after booting for? 23:17:51 <OwenS> You don't. But at that point it's enabled. You may be able to dial back it's memory allocation to 0... but it will still be there 23:17:58 <OwenS> And, as I said, mmap will need it 23:18:16 <SmatZ> anyway, I meant "don't use cache for this mount" 23:19:17 <SmatZ> mmap != cache 23:20:03 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@client-82-26-71-125.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.2/20090729225027]] 23:21:17 *** nicfer1 [~Usuario@168.226.104.182] has joined #openttd 23:21:38 <OwenS> mmap gets it's pages from the fs cache 23:22:40 <SmatZ> well 23:22:51 <SmatZ> we are talking about a bit different things I am afraid 23:23:45 *** nicfer [~Usuario@168.226.105.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:23:58 *** |tux_mark_5| [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has quit [Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: , sources date: 20090115, built on: 2009/03/07 00:45:02 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/] 23:26:56 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B825A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:27:46 <SmatZ> @calc 100/9.58 23:27:46 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: 10.4384133612 23:27:50 <SmatZ> @calc 100/9.58*3.6 23:27:50 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: 37.5782881002 23:28:11 <SmatZ> @calc 200/19.19*3.6 23:28:11 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: 37.5195414278 23:28:50 <SmatZ> @calc 140/14.35*3.6 23:28:50 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: 35.1219512195 23:29:06 <SmatZ> @calc 150/14.35*3.6 23:29:07 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: 37.6306620209 23:29:09 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8435C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 23:29:12 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 23:31:40 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:32:54 <z-MaTRiX> only one little problem with SSDs, limited rewrite cycles 23:32:55 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77CA7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 23:33:24 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77C54.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:33:45 <z-MaTRiX> anyway, nice thing 23:34:34 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77C54.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:35:49 <z-MaTRiX> SmatZ<< good tip, looking forward meeting new linux kernel 23:36:00 <z-MaTRiX> anyway, there is btrfs to check out 23:41:09 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77BA8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:44:55 <OwenS> z-MaTRiX: Hard disks run out too 23:50:07 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd