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00:13:09 *** fonsinchen1 [~alve@V9e87.v.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:20:08 <Markk> Uh, that could be misinterpreted; "I have to be faster!" 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04:10:21 <SirSquid1ess> motor ( M_R, -75); 04:10:21 <SirSquid1ess> motor ( M_L, -25); 04:10:21 <SirSquid1ess> countdown = 5; 04:10:21 <SirSquid1ess> while ( countdown >= 0) { 04:10:24 <SirSquid1ess> countdown--; 04:10:26 <SirSquid1ess> if (analog ( S_R_R ) < S_R_R_CAL || analog ( S_R_L ) < S_R_L_CAL ) { 04:10:29 <SirSquid1ess> stop(); 04:10:32 <SirSquid1ess> } 04:10:34 <SirSquid1ess> sleep ( 0.1 ); 04:10:37 <SirSquid1ess> } 04:10:39 <SirSquid1ess> dammit 04:10:42 <SirSquid1ess> sorry 04:10:44 <SirSquid1ess> lent on right click =( 04:41:39 *** Azrael [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:35:23 *** Wolle [DrJekyll@p57B0D242.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: http://www.lagerwiki.de - das Wiki rund um's Thema Lager und Logistik] 05:35:48 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.36] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:51:50 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.36] has joined #openttd 05:56:06 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 06:26:34 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@133.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 06:26:40 <Terkhen> good morning 06:28:28 *** krushia [~krushia@pool-71-168-96-174.cncdnh.east.myfairpoint.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:38:07 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 06:41:50 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F690.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:44:14 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F690.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:54:32 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:03:55 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.171.6] has joined #openttd 07:05:00 *** green-devil [~l@d40a9496.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #openttd 07:10:32 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.167.124] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:20:58 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.171.6] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:40:07 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@82.95.127.26] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:40:24 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 07:48:28 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.171.6] has joined #openttd 07:48:44 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.171.6] has quit [] 07:49:02 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.171.6] has joined #openttd 07:53:50 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@13.148.99-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 08:35:34 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@144.138.223.117] has joined #openttd 08:39:51 *** thisismynick [~chatzilla@95.72.4.233] has joined #openttd 08:40:54 *** green-devil [~l@d40a9496.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [] 08:42:38 *** PhoenixII [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 08:42:38 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:46:32 *** thisismynick [~chatzilla@95.72.4.233] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.2/20090729225027]] 08:49:10 *** Grelouk_ [~Grelouk@158.140.88-79.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 08:55:18 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@13.148.99-84.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:09:36 *** Mks [~mks@c83-176-234-98.cust.tele2.se] has joined #openttd 09:15:31 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has joined #openttd 09:17:48 *** reldred [~Richard_E@115.131.205.70] has joined #openttd 09:19:10 *** Nickman_87 [~nick.defr@190.8-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #openttd 09:21:23 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@client-82-26-71-125.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 09:32:21 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@158.140.88-79.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 09:35:35 *** Grelouk_ [~Grelouk@158.140.88-79.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:37:31 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.76] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:40:32 *** hron85 [54029e88@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 09:40:49 <hron85> Hi 09:40:59 <hron85> i trying using openttd under OSX 09:41:07 <hron85> but it says no AI installed 09:41:15 <hron85> how can i install AI ? 09:41:25 <hron85> I downloaded latest stable 09:43:10 <Terkhen> hron85: "You can download several AIs via the 'Online Content' system." 09:43:34 <Eddi|zuHause> tried the "download AIs here" button? 09:43:45 <hron85> Terkhen: but online content is empty for me. I guess it caused because my firewall allows only port 80 09:44:25 <Eddi|zuHause> @ports 09:44:25 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication and UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advertise) communication (outbound) 09:44:56 <hron85> that's my problem 09:45:04 <hron85> i cannot open port in fw 09:45:16 <hron85> so, how can i download an ai for me? 09:45:32 <Eddi|zuHause> well, we cannot help you with configuring your firewall 09:45:49 <hron85> i can configure, but no permission 09:46:13 <hron85> is there any other way to download AI? 09:46:59 <Eddi|zuHause> yes. y?o cam dpwm?pad them from the forum 09:47:15 <Eddi|zuHause> *download 09:48:37 <hron85> Eddi|zuHause: okay, i downloaded. How to install it? Can you point me a link? 09:48:59 <Eddi|zuHause> it must be there also 09:49:13 <Eddi|zuHause> i have never manually installed an AI 09:49:44 <hron85> Place inside your /ai OR /content_download/ai folder 09:49:52 <hron85> but where it is on osx? 09:51:04 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.76] has joined #openttd 09:51:28 <Eddi|zuHause> where you put your data files 09:53:27 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has joined #openttd 09:53:50 <hron85> and it must be unpacked or not? 09:54:33 <Eddi|zuHause> no, keep it inside the .tar 09:54:57 <Eddi|zuHause> (.tar files are not compressed) 10:03:20 <hron85> i downloaded all needed libraries and put into ai/libraries, but it says grap.aystar lib not fount. But it already installed. 10:03:29 <hron85> i trying use trans ai 10:04:45 <Terkhen> you are probably missing the correct version of that library, or you are trying to use an AI that requires a nightly to work 10:05:15 <hron85> i tried install version what the page said 10:05:24 <Eddi|zuHause> that's why you should use the content downloader, it would solve all these dependencies for your 10:05:24 <hron85> but no luck 10:05:41 <hron85> okay, but no http method 10:06:23 <hron85> i think i try older version 10:08:10 <hron85> 0.7.0 is not have this feature, well? 10:11:56 <Eddi|zuHause> suggestion: use openttd on another computer which allows the ports, then copy over the downloaded content from there 10:13:18 *** PhoenixII [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:13:25 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 10:16:51 *** fonsinchen [~alve@V9e87.v.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 10:18:49 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 10:22:40 *** LadyHawk [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: [24/8][22:50:18] <@DaZeD> when they invent that device to bitchslap peeps over TCP/IP... I'm SO pre-ordering] 10:24:19 <hron85> Eddi|zuHause: i will try it. In 0.6.3 i cannot change the semaphor type, but i remember i can do it under linux. Is there a difference between linux and osx build? 10:24:21 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DE6ED.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:25:15 <Eddi|zuHause> no, but in osx, ctrl and cmd might be switched 10:27:37 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@133.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 10:29:41 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@133.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 10:33:43 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.16.23.234] has joined #openttd 10:35:14 *** PhoenixII [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 10:35:27 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:39:26 *** Mks [~mks@c83-176-234-98.cust.tele2.se] has quit [] 10:45:10 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejf52.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 10:53:21 <Doorslammer> Hmmm, not sure I like those crossing gate noises on OpenSFX 10:53:30 <Doorslammer> Sounds like someone clinking beer bottles 10:53:35 <TrueBrain> make a better alternative ;) 10:53:41 <Doorslammer> Good plan 10:53:45 * Doorslammer rummages round 10:53:46 <TrueBrain> I am full of those 10:54:08 <Doorslammer> I will say this though 10:54:16 <Doorslammer> Love the way the game is going, keep it up 10:57:36 *** LadyHawk [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:00:53 *** LadyHawk [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [] 11:02:51 *** LadyHawk [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:05:18 *** LadyHawk [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [] 11:14:39 *** LadyHawk [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:16:56 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 11:16:57 *** R0b0t1 [~Enigma@64-136-216-213.dyn.everestkc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:17:43 <planetmaker> <Eddi|zuHause> no, but in osx, ctrl and cmd might be switched <-- that depends. 11:18:08 <Eddi|zuHause> hence i said "might" 11:18:16 <planetmaker> but usually one uses CMD for things where win/lin uses ctrl+v for paste etc 11:18:16 <LadyHawk> sorry for the join/quit spam.. trying to sort out some hardware issues i'm having 11:18:34 <planetmaker> or ctrl+w --> cmd+w 11:18:53 <planetmaker> which reminds me. I always wanted to write a patch that cmd+w / ctrl+w leaves the current game, but not OpenTTD 11:22:02 <Doorslammer> Do AI errors dump into a file? 11:24:03 <planetmaker> no 11:24:12 <Doorslammer> Ah 11:28:12 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@cpc1-stkn13-0-0-cust196.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 11:31:45 *** nfc_ [nfc@cable-hvk-fe7ede00-156.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 11:32:35 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F690.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:34:30 *** nfc [nfc@cable-hvk-fe7ede00-156.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:35:21 <Yexo> Doorslammer: all AI output is written to stdout and you can pipe that to a file 11:36:55 <Doorslammer> Ah, gotcha 11:37:17 <Doorslammer> Is it preferred to report in screencap or file form? 11:43:32 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:44:39 <Yexo> as long as it's readable I doubt anyone cares what form you report it in 11:45:23 <Yexo> Doorslammer: if you report as image, please make the window wider next time so the complete message is readable 11:46:50 <Yexo> SmatZ: looks like your subsidy changes have broken trans ai :p 11:47:15 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 11:47:50 <Doorslammer> Oh 11:48:04 <Doorslammer> First one, so I dunno 11:50:04 *** green-devil [~l@d40a9496.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #openttd 11:51:23 <SmatZ> Yexo: :( 11:51:33 <SmatZ> to what extent? 11:51:54 <Yexo> it tries to get the StationID from an awarded subsidy, then fails because it isn't a valid stationid 11:51:58 <Yexo> so nothing we can do about it 11:59:57 <planetmaker> <Yexo> Doorslammer: all AI output is written to stdout and you can pipe that to a file <-- that works? Nice! :-) 12:00:13 <Yexo> planetmaker: run with -d ai=9 ;) 12:00:31 <planetmaker> oh, ok. So not by default :-) 12:00:39 <Yexo> no, but it's possible 12:00:50 <planetmaker> I didn't think of -d ... I should think more often on it :-) 12:02:20 <Ammler> indeed :-P 12:03:09 <planetmaker> :-P 12:04:21 <Doorslammer> Oh bloody hell 12:04:27 <Doorslammer> Its crashed again 12:06:01 <Doorslammer> Better error pic comin g up 12:09:08 *** sdafsdf [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:09:34 *** LadyHawk [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:09:38 *** sdafsdf is now known as LadyHawk 12:09:52 <Doorslammer> Submitted 12:20:12 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:5189:ff42:4262:ffa6] has joined #openttd 12:20:15 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:20:50 *** fonsinchen [~alve@V9e87.v.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:27:00 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has quit [Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: , sources date: 20090115, built on: 2009/03/07 00:45:02 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/] 12:31:25 * Belugas yawns and wishes he could go back to sleep 12:31:31 <Belugas> hello, bythe way 12:31:46 * TrueBrain gives Belugas his nappysack 12:32:03 <Belugas> mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm 12:32:05 <Belugas> rrrrr 12:32:06 <Belugas> zzzzz 12:32:08 <Belugas> rrrrrr 12:32:10 <Belugas> zzzzzzz 12:32:11 <Belugas> ....... 12:32:45 <LadyHawk> o_O 12:33:08 * LadyHawk jabs Belugas with a teaspoon 12:34:18 <TrueBrain> ieuw 12:37:08 <Doorslammer> Is Trans a fairly new AI? 12:38:14 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 12:38:28 <Belugas> \me awakes and feels a urge to retaliate 12:38:32 * Belugas awakes and feels a urge to retaliate 12:38:34 <Belugas> even 12:40:08 *** Nickman_87 [~nick.defr@190.8-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [] 12:40:12 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DE6ED.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:40:54 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 12:43:16 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DE6ED.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:47:48 *** fonsinchen [~alve@V9e87.v.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 12:50:10 <SmatZ> hello Terkhen, thanks for your patch for founding a town 12:50:19 <SmatZ> there is a number of "found town" patches 12:50:31 <SmatZ> I have one patch too (for quite some time) 12:51:18 <SmatZ> from my point of view, my patch would be best to include 12:51:19 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DE6ED.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:51:45 <SmatZ> though there is one problem, we are now thinking about reworking the "_prices" struct 12:51:58 <Belugas> yeah.. and we are a bit torn, since both do have some good points 12:52:06 <SmatZ> eg. the way it works with inflation and (non-)fixed multipliers 12:52:19 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DE6ED.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:54:09 <SmatZ> also, we are discussing a newgrf callback to compute new town price 12:56:10 <planetmaker> hm... how do you envision to link founding towns to newgrfs? 12:56:19 * planetmaker is curious :-) 12:56:46 <planetmaker> oh, and hello Belugas & SmatZ :-) 13:00:10 <Belugas> prices, planetmaker 13:00:14 <Belugas> hello planetmaker 13:00:30 <planetmaker> Hm... making all prices accessible via newgrf? 13:00:36 <planetmaker> Hm... are there some which are not? 13:01:17 *** worldemar [~tsukimiya@188.122.227.51] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:02:06 <planetmaker> Does that change imply that the / some base costs are per newgrf? 13:02:22 <planetmaker> questions over questions ;-) 13:02:44 <Belugas> well... i'd say that ALREADY, all base cost are accessible via grf... 13:03:08 <planetmaker> yup, thought so. 13:03:08 <Belugas> all 49, that is... 13:03:25 <SmatZ> rather some cost multiplier as callback result 13:03:47 <SmatZ> so it can make small towns chaper and big mor eexpensive 13:04:25 <SmatZ> + static const byte price_mult[][TS_RANDOM + 1] = {{ 15, 25, 40, 25 }, { 20, 35, 55, 35 }}; 13:04:35 <SmatZ> it can be too expensive for some 13:04:40 <SmatZ> and too cheap for others 13:04:49 <planetmaker> :-) as usual 13:05:17 <SmatZ> also, with frosch's patch, base prices wouldn't need to be stored in savegame at all 13:05:33 <planetmaker> he... I don't know his patch, I guess 13:05:48 <SmatZ> it's not written yet 13:05:53 <SmatZ> it's being discussed 13:06:18 <TrueBrain> so it is not a patch yet :p :p 13:06:20 * TrueBrain runs :) 13:06:26 <planetmaker> :-) Always good to discuss things - at least a bit - in advance 13:06:49 <planetmaker> I cannot say, I'm not curious about that discussion ;-) 13:07:30 <SmatZ> I suppose there will be threads at tt-forums :) 13:07:41 <planetmaker> :-) 13:07:57 <TrueBrain> I miss the patch-maillist :( 13:09:50 <planetmaker> sometimes it'd be nice / interesting 13:10:52 <SmatZ> actually frosch has some patch, so my statement was false :) 13:11:10 <TrueBrain> and so mine too :'( 13:11:47 <Belugas> patch-maillist had some good points, but it became hard to follow full time 13:12:23 <TrueBrain> Belugas: the trick is that you don't need to want to follow all ;) 13:12:30 <Belugas> and i remember it was almost like : here's my patch. how come it's not commited already? if i cahnge this, will it be? and so one... 13:13:08 <SmatZ> why can't FS be used for that? 13:13:20 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: difference between push and pull 13:13:51 <TrueBrain> in FS I can't mark what I have read and what not 13:13:58 <SmatZ> true 13:14:14 <TrueBrain> when I worked a bit on ffmpeg, I loved the dev maillist 13:14:21 <TrueBrain> all patches people send it came through 13:14:29 <TrueBrain> gave a good overview .. also good comments from developers 13:15:14 <SmatZ> hmm just received spam to my @openttd.org address :( 13:15:23 <TrueBrain> it is rare, but it happens :) 13:15:56 <TrueBrain> currently the average interval is 43 minutes between a computer which just got infected, and the spam-filter to react on it 13:16:03 *** worldemar [~woldemar@188.122.233.234] has joined #openttd 13:16:18 <SmatZ> :) 13:16:42 <SmatZ> my brother had infected computer for several days 13:16:47 <SmatZ> maybe even longer 13:16:58 <SmatZ> we didn't get any warning from our ISP 13:17:16 <TrueBrain> that is _very_ bad 13:17:18 <planetmaker> hehe :-) I guess you were missing an "an". He didn't really do it actively? ;-) 13:17:48 <SmatZ> I just noticed the internet was very slow... because of the spam upload rate using all bw :-p 13:17:52 <SmatZ> planetmaker: hehe, true :) 13:22:43 *** Choco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DE6ED.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:23:20 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DE6ED.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:23:41 *** Choco-Banana-Man is now known as Coco-Banana-Man 13:31:00 <glx> grr OSX in vmware is slow (but a little faster than in pearpc) 13:34:31 <Terkhen> sorry, I was not here 13:34:32 * Terkhen reads 13:40:07 <Terkhen> SmatZ: I didn't knew that you were working in this feature too, I'd like to check it if that's possible :) 13:42:59 <Terkhen> I do a lot of changes around the _prices structure (I don't remember right now, but I think I even had to move it to a header file) 13:44:43 <SmatZ> http://devs.openttd.org/~smatz/found_town_17288.diff updated to trunk (I hope) 13:44:49 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #openttd 13:44:56 <Terkhen> thanks :) 13:46:22 *** thingwath [~thingie@88.83.164.57] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:50:24 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 13:52:52 *** thingwath [~thingie@88.83.164.57] has joined #openttd 13:59:04 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 14:02:59 <TrueBrain> netbeans keeps on 'crashing' ... 14:03:00 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:03:02 <TrueBrain> grrr 14:03:17 <Terkhen> mmm... I can't try it ingame: the found a town window doesn't appear 14:04:12 <Terkhen> about the code: besides code changes and different ways of implementing some parts of the code, the most important differences are that my version don't allow building towns of different sizes and that your version don't alters the _prices structure at all since it uses the price for industries 14:06:14 <Belugas> yup 14:08:30 *** reldred [~Richard_E@115.131.205.70] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:08:42 <Terkhen> I don't know what implementation for founding town price is best (I don't know enough about that part of the code), but I don't think that building towns of any size should be allowed... IMO it is like allowing to build industries with custom production values 14:10:37 *** _ln [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has quit [Quit: hello] 14:14:12 <SmatZ> hmm yes 14:14:27 <Terkhen> oh, sorry: the window did not appear because the setting was off 14:14:56 <Terkhen> I am used to assume that if the setting is off the option won't appear at the dropdown menu 14:15:19 <SmatZ> + t->founder = INVALID_COMPANY; 14:15:28 *** williham [~wito@25.244.251.212.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:15:34 <SmatZ> Terkhen: you could simplify your code bu setting this in Town::Town() 14:15:59 <SmatZ> hmm yeah 14:16:13 <SmatZ> that probably broke while updating over 500 revisions 14:17:01 <Belugas> mmh... did not though of layout specifying in that way... indeed... problematic... 14:17:26 *** [wito] [~wito@25.244.251.212.customer.cdi.no] has joined #openttd 14:17:32 <Terkhen> that's true, I'll check that simplification later 14:19:02 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@client-82-26-71-125.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:19:03 <SmatZ> anyway, patch updated 14:20:42 <Terkhen> I see that you can't select large towns... if they are out of the options, allowing different sizes is not that problematic 14:25:44 <[com]buster> UI question: is there any keyboard shortcut to select something from the advanced signal window (like toggling signal conversion or switching the default between block and path signals) 14:26:40 <Belugas> don't think there is. watching 14:26:58 <[com]buster> I'll file a feature request if it isnt :) 14:27:01 *** Grelouk_ [~Grelouk@87.47.99-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 14:27:20 <TrueBrain> I HATE PHP! If you have an array like {'a' => 'b', 'c' => 'd'}, how do I remove ['a'] from that array? (or rather: table) 14:27:28 <SmatZ> [com]buster: please suggest keys you would like to use 14:28:03 <SmatZ> TrueBrain: it's not possible? something like null doesn't exist? 14:28:07 <[com]buster> since S is the signal shortcut 14:28:12 <TrueBrain> assigning it to null doesn't remove it 14:28:13 <[com]buster> shift+s/ctrl+s 14:28:26 <SmatZ> [com]buster: ctrl+s is screnshot 14:28:34 <TrueBrain> unset :s :s :s 14:28:38 <SmatZ> hehe 14:28:41 <Terkhen> SmatZ: what do you think about the town renaming feature? 14:29:02 <SmatZ> Terkhen: I planned to include some "you can choose town name when founding it" feature 14:29:15 <Terkhen> aha 14:29:34 <SmatZ> it could be used it SE too 14:30:02 <Terkhen> SE? 14:30:06 <SmatZ> it would be probably placed in the Found Town window 14:30:08 <SmatZ> scen edit 14:30:23 <SmatZ> so you could "randomise better name" while founding a town 14:30:29 <SmatZ> or choose one manually 14:30:39 <Terkhen> sounds good 14:30:44 <Belugas> [com]buster :no key assigned. You'd better come up with a logical scheme and NOT ALREADY USED ;) 14:31:40 <[com]buster> I'm trying things 14:31:47 <[com]buster> I think you can reuse the C key 14:32:19 <[com]buster> to convert signals other than rail when the dialog is open 14:33:00 <SmatZ> good :) 14:33:22 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@158.140.88-79.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:33:26 <SmatZ> [com]buster: thinking about the GUI, I dislike the "convert signal" button... 14:33:34 <SmatZ> because you can't build new signals when it's active 14:34:12 <[com]buster> I don't think it's optimal either 14:34:42 <[com]buster> because you usually want to cycle between block signals and path signals separately 14:35:07 <[com]buster> (new feature request: ctrl+click through signals of same type 14:36:04 <Terkhen> well, I don't know what to do with this either... besides the mentioned differences both patches are mostly the same (I have a complete GUI, but that could be reused without problems... and your idea for names is better than what I implemented) 14:36:18 <[com]buster> btw shift+s appears free to me 14:36:34 <[com]buster> you can use that to cycle signal types 14:36:51 <[com]buster> at the cost of confusing those sad players who want to flip between semaphores 14:38:07 * [com]buster has a idea for redesign 14:38:16 * Belugas wonders about the usefullness of having keys assigned to buttons in a gui window used for placing signals on the map... 14:38:57 <[com]buster> I can build very fast by using the keyboard shortcuts 14:39:15 <[com]buster> (Only annoyed that the V button is so close to the B button) 14:39:33 <Belugas> can't you buy even faster not using the signal gui? 14:39:36 <Belugas> build 14:41:27 <[com]buster> not when I have to keep toggling between block and path signals 14:41:40 <[com]buster> its faster to move the entire mouse to the gui and switch the default 14:41:47 <[com]buster> then build path signals with one click 14:41:57 <[com]buster> instead of 4 clicks 14:42:00 <[com]buster> (5) 14:45:59 <Belugas> mmmmmh 14:46:01 * Doorslammer is utterly fed up of Trans crahsing all the time 14:46:40 <Yexo> Doorslammer: either use openttd 0.7.2 or use a different AI 14:46:52 <Belugas> doorslammer should use De 14:47:11 <Doorslammer> Dunno how to switch that one off 14:47:44 *** elmex [elmex@ist.m8geil.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:52:59 <planetmaker> <[com]buster> because you usually want to cycle between block signals and path signals separately <--- but not me :-P 14:56:50 <planetmaker> but keyboard shortcuts to switch to a particular signal type would be handy. But I didn't find a good selection of keys 14:57:23 <[com]buster> new (patch) feature idea: place path signals instead of semaphores by ctrl+clicking signals 14:57:43 <planetmaker> don't change existing behaviour ;-) 14:57:58 <[com]buster> *patch* feature 14:58:02 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@client-82-26-71-125.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 14:58:48 <SmatZ> [16:36:19] <Terkhen> well, I don't know what to do with this either... besides the mentioned differences both patches are mostly the same (I have a complete GUI, but that could be reused without problems... and your idea for names is better than what I implemented) <=== but it's an idea now :) 14:58:53 <SmatZ> not implemented 14:59:11 <SmatZ> I haven't found a way how to make it working with the new widget system yet 14:59:30 <SmatZ> and I want to prevent rewriting the code in near future 14:59:43 <SmatZ> but Alberth is not here to ask... 15:02:29 *** nicfer [~Usuario@168.226.104.186] has joined #openttd 15:03:58 <Terkhen> I already talked with him about it... I finally got a working solution, but since It needs to hide widgets and that's still not implemented, I had to hide them manually (check the UpdateWidgetSize function) 15:04:23 <Terkhen> that way of implementing hide widgets would probably need to be rewritten, yes 15:10:58 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has joined #openttd 15:15:03 *** frosch123 [~frosch@89.15.220.222] has joined #openttd 15:18:23 *** petern [~petern@lachesis.fuzzle.org] has joined #openttd 15:18:25 *** mode/#openttd [+o petern] by ChanServ 15:25:49 *** glx_ [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:5189:ff42:4262:ffa6] has joined #openttd 15:25:52 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx_] by ChanServ 15:25:54 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:5189:ff42:4262:ffa6] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:27:57 *** glx_ is now known as glx 15:34:07 *** welterde [welterde@gandalf.srv.welterde.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:34:44 *** welterde [welterde@gandalf.srv.welterde.de] has joined #openttd 15:40:32 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has quit [] 15:50:39 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@144.138.223.117] has quit [Quit: I'll get you next episode, Inspector Gadget! NEXT EPISODE!] 15:51:07 * Belugas yawns and streches 15:51:28 * Belugas picks up his lunch box and starts fiddling with food 15:54:11 *** hron85 [54029e88@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 15:59:08 <petern> hurr 16:02:21 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:02:44 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 16:07:31 <TrueBrain> Belugas: sounds nasty :p 16:12:43 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Quit: AS A VAGINA ONCE SAID: <yorick> SOMEONE BAN HIM] 16:13:44 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:14:05 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 16:15:20 <Belugas> well... lack of appetite, maybe... 16:15:45 *** Wolle [DrJekyll@p57B0D184.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:18:58 <petern> jam? 16:21:39 <Belugas> might help, indeed 16:30:46 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r17289 /trunk/bin/ai/compat_0.7.nut: -Fix (r17214): for AIs it's STATION_INVALID, not INVALID_STATION 16:33:39 <Belugas> let me pick my air guitar and my air zoom and at the count of 3, we'll start 16:33:42 <Belugas> 1 16:33:44 <Belugas> 2 16:33:45 <Belugas> 3 16:33:51 <TrueBrain> false start 16:33:53 <TrueBrain> try again 16:33:58 <Belugas> 3 16:33:58 <Belugas> 3 16:33:58 * petern air keyboards 16:33:59 <Belugas> 3 16:34:14 <Belugas> i can hear it, man! 16:34:23 <Belugas> ho... wait... it's a recording :S 16:34:32 <glx> ha finally macports can compile stuff 16:34:41 <TrueBrain> glx: nice progress :) 16:34:47 <TrueBrain> which version? 16:35:10 <glx> macports 1.7.1 on osx 10.4.8 16:35:46 <TrueBrain> nice nice nice :) 16:35:52 <TrueBrain> 10.5 you couldn't get installed? :p 16:36:16 <glx> the one I tried gave me kernel panic on dvd boot 16:36:31 <glx> (and it used voodoo 9.5.0) 16:36:32 <TrueBrain> sad 16:36:42 <glx> probably because vmware 16:36:57 <TrueBrain> I wish vmware wouldn't crash on our server .. it did last time anyway :p 16:38:59 <TrueBrain> like the latest vbox for that matter .... but that we all experienced :p 16:39:27 *** elmex [elmex@ist.m8geil.de] has joined #openttd 16:39:44 <glx> btw it's slow and eats a core 16:39:50 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:39:59 <TrueBrain> how slow is slow? :p 16:40:03 <TrueBrain> unworkable slow? 16:40:03 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejf52.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 16:40:05 <glx> but at least it has better net and dvd support than pearpc 16:40:18 <glx> it's usable 16:40:42 <glx> like windows on a PII 233 :) 16:40:56 <TrueBrain> let me know if you know compile-times :) 16:41:29 <glx> for nom I'm doing "sudo port install subversion" :) 16:42:06 <glx> *now 16:42:54 <glx> anyway the slower phase is still configure ;) 16:43:07 <glx> worse than on msys 16:43:19 *** bb10 [~nn@dhcp-077-248-075-030.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 16:43:45 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:43:45 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DE6ED.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:43:50 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77C97.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:43:55 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@client-82-26-71-125.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:43:56 *** `Fuco`` [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 16:43:57 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77C97.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:43:59 *** Dred_furst` [~Dred@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 16:43:59 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DE6ED.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:44:07 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 16:44:08 <glx> slow disk access I think 16:44:24 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@client-82-26-71-125.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 16:44:24 <TrueBrain> did you install any guest software? 16:44:38 <glx> like vmware tools ? 16:44:41 <TrueBrain> yes 16:44:53 <glx> I need to upgrage iconv first :) 16:45:01 <TrueBrain> ghehe :) 16:46:58 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 16:49:46 *** fonsinchen [~alve@V9e87.v.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:50:47 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:50:57 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:51:04 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:53:14 <glx> apr configure done :) 16:53:27 <glx> (it's the first dep for subversion) 16:54:49 <TrueBrain> sigh: /var/tmp/portage/app-emulation/vmware-modules-1.0.0.23/work/vmmon-only/./include/compat_wait.h:78: error: conflicting types for 'poll_initwait' 16:54:54 <TrueBrain> sometimes I hate applications 16:58:07 <TrueBrain> not kernel 2.6.29+ ready .. sigh ... 16:58:55 <Eddi|zuHause> isn't that like three versions ago? 16:59:54 <TrueBrain> portage is moving fast these days ... last week I did a complete world compile, now I have 32 new packages ... 17:03:24 <Belugas> mmh? 17:03:40 <Belugas> would'nt it be easier to compile the internet instead of the world? 17:06:42 <Eddi|zuHause> just compile the universe, that typically includes both the world and the internet 17:07:03 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@133.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 17:07:38 <SmatZ> TrueBrain: I am starting to dislike gentoo/nvidia 17:07:45 <SmatZ> because they are forcing new xorg 17:08:11 <SmatZ> and old (GF2 and GF4MX and older) nvidia cards' driver's don't support it 17:13:27 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: I dislike linux and nvidia 17:13:30 <TrueBrain> gave up on it LONG ago :p 17:14:09 <Xaroth> like linux and ATI is any better... 17:14:19 <SmatZ> it should be getting better 17:14:40 <Eddi|zuHause> it was getting better here, until they discontinued support for my graphics card 17:15:04 <SmatZ> :-/ 17:15:18 <SmatZ> you can wait until the opensource driver works :) 17:15:57 <Eddi|zuHause> last time i tried, it was lacking 3d acceleration 17:19:15 <petern> the nv driver works... 17:26:56 *** DJNekkid [~tmsmje@static217-26.adsl.no] has joined #openttd 17:27:15 <DJNekkid> does anyone know how Var2 variable DA works? 17:29:44 <Eddi|zuHause> do the specs not tell you this? 17:29:45 <frosch123> end of chain? 17:30:00 <frosch123> better use the position from back variable 17:30:55 <DJNekkid> ok... then i cant use it for what i hoped 17:32:43 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@client-82-26-71-125.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:45:19 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:02:23 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 18:06:33 *** bb10 [~nn@dhcp-077-248-075-030.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:06:56 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 18:09:38 *** bb10 [~nn@dhcp-077-248-075-030.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 18:10:46 *** bb10 [~nn@dhcp-077-248-075-030.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:26:38 <TrueBrain> # kiss me 18:28:08 <petern> # touch a touch a touch me 18:29:12 <TrueBrain> it is funny, revrebuild keeps telling me I should rebuild xulrunner to fix a dep, but .. how ever many times I try, it never works :) 18:32:36 <frosch123> you are doing it manually? 18:32:56 <TrueBrain> no, the @preserved-rebuild 18:34:19 <frosch123> why not just let revdep-rebuild issue the emerge? 18:34:28 <TrueBrain> euh ... this is emerge :p 18:34:41 <TrueBrain> only a newer version :p It has sets, one of them doing what revdep-rebuild normally did :p 18:35:05 <frosch123> so, it does not work yet? :p 18:35:14 <TrueBrain> it does, but it fails to fix one package :) 18:35:24 <TrueBrain> which .. most likely is fully my fault :) 18:35:34 <frosch123> oh, in that case 18:36:31 <TrueBrain> btw, about sets, you now also have @installed, as @world (the old 'world') does not always update all packages 18:37:11 <frosch123> so @world means --deep world 18:37:17 <TrueBrain> no, means world :p 18:37:19 <TrueBrain> @ means 'set' 18:37:26 <TrueBrain> like @kde4 18:38:17 <frosch123> i don't have kde4 18:38:26 <TrueBrain> completely besides the point, don't you think? 18:38:52 <frosch123> but i had no other response at hand 18:39:03 <TrueBrain> then it is better to ssstttttt :p 18:42:37 <TrueBrain> I am bored 18:44:44 <TrueBrain> ah, my preserved deps are down to only IcedTeaPlugin :) 18:45:59 <frosch123> does it also have some fancy new replacement for python_updater ? 18:46:37 <TrueBrain> nope ... 18:46:54 <TrueBrain> Starting Python Updater from 3.1 to 2.6 : <- euh .. what now? :) 18:49:40 <Xaroth> TrueBrain: yer time traveling? 18:52:19 <Belugas> Iced tea? no thanks. Hot COFFEE!!! 18:52:20 <Belugas> please 18:52:29 <petern> jam! 18:54:09 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has joined #openttd 18:54:41 <Belugas> i sense a subliminal message... 18:56:17 <TrueBrain> lol, friend of mine calls, I was late to pick up .. I call back, she doens't pick up :p 18:56:26 <TrueBrain> I wonder how often this action will repeat itself this night :p 18:57:37 <Belugas> up until you send roses with a message "I'm sorry" 18:57:45 <DJNekkid> probably 3.1 BC to 2.6 AC 18:59:00 <planetmaker> how / where is var action2, variable 1C set? Is that the the setID chosen in the preceeding varaction2 or the last value of the decision-based variable in that preceeding varaction2? 18:59:58 <planetmaker> http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=VariationalAction2 19:00:30 <planetmaker> I'm simply unable to find that piece of information in the newgrf wiki... but that might be me. 19:02:16 <frosch123> var 1c is the result of the last varaction2. i.e. the value your sets and ranges decide on 19:02:30 <frosch123> don't ask me about its value after a procdure call 19:03:39 <frosch123> but you can e.g. make a range [123..456] chain to some action2 which then multiplies the value (something between 123 and 456) by two and returns that one 19:04:51 <DJNekkid> i still dont think it will help us too much planetmaker... as we dont know if the two consists are symetric... 19:05:41 <frosch123> planetmaker: oh, and i remember some example on the wiki showing how to base a decision on both the current and the related object using var 1c 19:05:45 <planetmaker> frosch123: so it's the value the decision is based upon. But not the set-ID which was chosen? 19:06:05 <frosch123> yes 19:06:08 <planetmaker> frosch123: that's something which I just try to somehow get stitched together :-) 19:06:22 <frosch123> setid would be quite useless, wouldn't it? 19:06:26 <planetmaker> DJNekkid: I know, but that's something I don't need 19:06:49 <planetmaker> frosch123: well... depends how it's used :-P 19:07:24 <frosch123> is there a case which you could not solve using a preprocessor? 19:07:51 <frosch123> as it would be setid of currently active varaction2 19:08:12 <DJNekkid> it's the TVG-problem frosch123:) 19:09:10 * frosch123 knows TGVs and TSP-problems 19:10:13 <TrueBrain> Belugas: there is an idea 19:10:30 <Belugas> jam? yeah... big time 19:10:33 <Belugas> a jam of roses 19:10:36 <Belugas> even more 19:10:38 <TrueBrain> haha 19:10:42 <TrueBrain> # From yesterday!!! 19:11:00 <frosch123> InitializeLandscapeVariables() must have a great history 19:11:03 <TrueBrain> believe me, my neighbours do NOT enjoy me today 19:11:13 <TrueBrain> my window is wide open, and my music is passed his 'safe' level :p 19:12:37 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:12:55 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 19:15:49 <Alberth> hello Nite_Owl 19:16:04 <Nite_Owl> Hello Alberth 19:16:43 <TrueBrain> hello Nite_Owl 19:16:45 <TrueBrain> hello Alberth 19:16:59 <Nite_Owl> Hello TrueBrain 19:17:00 <Alberth> hello TrueBrain 19:17:18 <Alberth> TrueBrain: enjoying the evening? :) 19:17:36 <TrueBrain> I am always :) 19:17:55 <TrueBrain> a game called 'AaaaaAAaaaAAAaaAAAAaAAAAA!!!' 19:17:57 <TrueBrain> that has to be good 19:19:51 *** nicfer1 [~Usuario@168.226.104.227] has joined #openttd 19:20:30 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@client-82-26-71-125.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 19:22:41 *** PhoenixII [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:22:47 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 19:23:35 *** nicfer [~Usuario@168.226.104.186] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:25:24 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejf52.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 19:27:55 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 19:31:36 *** gathers [~gathers@c80-216-137-37.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 19:47:54 *** sdafsdf [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:48:14 *** LadyHawk [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:48:24 *** sdafsdf is now known as LadyHawk 19:51:26 *** nicfer1 [~Usuario@168.226.104.227] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:57:25 <planetmaker> Hm, I'm somehow unable to find proper documentation on variables 81/82. Any pointers more specifically than newgrf wiki? 19:57:36 *** sdafsdf [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:57:39 *** LadyHawk [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:57:46 *** sdafsdf is now known as LadyHawk 19:58:01 <Lakie> Define lack of proper documentation, planetmaker? 19:58:32 <Lakie> I thought the wiki had up to date information on almost all newgrf details, minus possibly some OpenTTD specifics. 19:58:41 <frosch123> planetmaker: stop exploring 80+x variables :p 19:59:01 <Lakie> Oh those 19:59:03 <Lakie> Meh 19:59:05 <planetmaker> :-) a description like I e.g. have in http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=VarAction2Vehicles for 40,41,... 19:59:15 <Lakie> They are just the array entries data. 19:59:30 <Lakie> Too impractical to list them all. ;) 19:59:31 <SmatZ> http://marcin.ttdpatch.net/sv1codec/TTD-locations.html ? 19:59:51 <frosch123> planetmaker: i'll give you a general description for all 80+x variables: they are deprecated variables from ttd, which sometimes get new meanings in ttdp or ottd or both 19:59:53 <planetmaker> SmatZ: I was there... I find that... uhm, disturbing to find my way :-) 20:00:14 <Yexo> planetmaker: if you're only interested in those implemented by OpenTTD the openttd source code is the best documentation imo 20:00:15 <planetmaker> frosch123: ah... hm... what do I use then? 20:00:45 <Lakie> A text editor to view the source code? 20:00:52 <frosch123> planetmaker: what do you want to do with that information, isn't it pointless anyway? 20:01:01 <planetmaker> :-) 20:01:10 <Lakie> I thought most weren't all that useful only ones listed on the wiki. 20:01:24 <planetmaker> Well. I want to know if the preceeding or following vehicle in a consist is an engine (part) :-) 20:01:35 <Lakie> Um. 20:01:41 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:01:44 *** Nite_Owl_ [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:01:49 <frosch123> planetmaker: there is no way to access the following or preceding vehicle 20:01:50 *** Nite_Owl_ is now known as Nite_Owl 20:01:52 <planetmaker> as the gfx decision is based on that... - or shall be. 20:01:55 <Lakie> I don't know if its different for OpenTTD, but in TTDPatch it doesn't store the vehicle infront 20:02:05 <planetmaker> hm... :S 20:02:29 <Lakie> As for next one there is a pointer, but that isn't very useful to grf code. ;) 20:02:39 <planetmaker> :-D 20:02:44 <frosch123> you can use the variables for chain of consecutive vehicles with same id 20:03:06 <Lakie> Variable 41? 20:03:18 <planetmaker> yes, but I want to consider a more general train like 1 2223322 1 20:03:25 <planetmaker> where 1=engine and 2,3 = different wagons 20:03:38 <planetmaker> and I want the first and last wagon to have different graphics 20:03:54 <SmatZ> :) 20:03:58 <planetmaker> e.g. those adjacent to the engine 20:04:53 <planetmaker> so my thinking was to get the current position, add/subtract one and test the vehicle ID 20:04:54 <SmatZ> but not those next to wagon3 20:05:08 <planetmaker> SmatZ: exactly. Only adjacent to 1 20:05:59 <planetmaker> even more difficult a train could, of course, also look like 1 2223233 1 1 33222232 1 20:06:23 <planetmaker> where I then have four such cases :-) 20:06:49 <frosch123> planetmaker: you can only make 2 and 3 the same vehicle, which are either automatically alternated or you can refit between them 20:07:03 <frosch123> e.g. using cargo suffix 20:07:06 <planetmaker> if 2=3, then var 41 would help in the first train, but in the 2nd it would fail for the middle engines 20:07:09 *** R0b0t1 [~Enigma@64-136-216-213.dyn.everestkc.net] has joined #openttd 20:07:47 <planetmaker> frosch123: yes, DJNekkid told me so :-) 20:08:08 <planetmaker> But I like to be able to build PAX, mail and valuable wagons directly in order to allow easier mixing :-) 20:08:16 <frosch123> [22:08] <planetmaker> if 2=3, then var 41 would help in the first train, but in the 2nd it would fail for the middle engines <- why? 20:08:44 <Lakie> Because he doesn't want transitions between 2 and 3 to have different graphics. 20:08:56 <planetmaker> hm, I guess I'd find the last one in the middle then, too. True 20:09:29 <planetmaker> yes, that was me mixing things up again ;-) 20:09:34 <planetmaker> that'll work then. 20:10:05 <Lakie> So long as they are all the same id, 41 would work quite happily. 20:10:18 <planetmaker> yup. 20:10:27 <planetmaker> But that makes building mixed trains a pain. 20:11:48 <planetmaker> hm... seems like I have the choice between "make mixing mail/pax/valuables painful for the player" and "make graphics such that gfx don'd depend upon distance from engine" 20:12:42 <Lakie> The only other way would be to implement a system to traverse the consist but I don't think thats a good idea. So basically yeah, pain or simple. 20:13:13 <frosch123> the second other way would be to implement vehicle classes, like house classes 20:14:06 <planetmaker> uh-oh. Both doesn't sound like a light-weight operation 20:14:21 * Lakie doesn't really know how houses exist so he'll lurk now. 20:14:30 <Lakie> Oh, wait. 20:14:35 <Lakie> You mean a class system? 20:14:45 * planetmaker doesn't either... but hopes to have some light shed on it :-) 20:14:48 <DJNekkid> "<frosch123> planetmaker: you can only make 2 and 3 the same vehicle, which are either automatically alternated or you can refit between them" ... thats what i want as well, but planetmaker want it to be 2 or 3 different wagons (pax-mail-armor) 20:14:49 <Lakie> You have a major class and then ids belonging to a class? 20:14:56 <Belugas> yeah, with black board, apples, desks and all... 20:15:05 <Lakie> Hi J-F. 20:15:07 <planetmaker> DJNekkid: yes, we discussed that :-P You won 20:15:20 *** [wito] [~wito@25.244.251.212.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:16:21 <frosch123> Lakie: e.g. house var 44 20:16:26 <Belugas> Nathaniel, I salute you respectfully 20:17:13 <Lakie> Hows work going, Belugas? 20:17:20 *** Runr [~Runr@154.0.erx-lhm.eidsiva.net] has joined #openttd 20:17:46 <DJNekkid> and changeing the gfx depending on its cargoclass is easy, that i've already tested... 20:18:13 *** [wito] [~wito@25.244.251.212.customer.cdi.no] has joined #openttd 20:18:17 <Belugas> when returning from vacations? as usual... hellish! 20:18:24 <Lakie> Isn't that just testing its refit cycle? 20:18:27 <Lakie> Hehe 20:18:38 <Runr> I've got a quick question regarding stations: do they load more/faster the closer they are to the source? 20:18:41 <Lakie> Well, you have catching up on work at that point, Belugas. :( 20:18:41 <petern> refitting Belugas' vacation? 20:18:49 <petern> Runr, no 20:19:01 <Runr> So it doesn't matter how far away it is, as long as it's within the range? 20:19:25 <Lakie> They load based of the vehicles load rates? 20:19:57 <DJNekkid> planetmaker: i won? 20:20:05 <DJNekkid> so, we only need 1 MU-wagon now? :D:D 20:20:08 <DJNekkid> (:p) 20:20:11 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:20:12 <planetmaker> doesn't seem possible. :S 20:20:22 <planetmaker> hehe 20:20:32 <planetmaker> yet another grf parameter :-P 20:21:18 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B36E7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:22:36 <Belugas> Lakie, basically, catching up with the freaking usual promises of things that are in the software, but the one that is going to be released in 10 years from now 20:22:48 <Belugas> and of courser to be delivered all at once next week 20:23:31 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r17290 /trunk/src/lang/ (5 files): 20:23:31 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 20:23:31 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: italian - 44 changes by lorenzodv 20:23:31 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: lithuanian - 21 changes by mtxd 20:23:31 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: norwegian_bokmal - 6 changes by CyberKenny 20:23:32 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: russian - 2 changes by Lone_Wolf 20:23:32 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: serbian - 45 changes by etran 20:23:35 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B2F3C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:23:39 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 20:23:46 * TrueBrain pets WT3 .. better late then never :) 20:24:40 <Lakie> Sounds about right for software engineering, Belugas. 20:24:42 <Lakie> :( 20:25:18 <petern> i had a good question today 20:25:19 <TrueBrain> once again I lost my xfce4-desktop ... 20:25:39 <petern> how do our parking pay & display systems connect to us 20:26:02 *** PhoenixII [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 20:26:08 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:26:08 <petern> obvious answer is... "what parking pay & display systems? we do internet payments..." 20:26:20 <Lakie> Hehe 20:26:52 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17291 /trunk/src/ (base_media_func.h network/network_content_gui.cpp): -Fix [FS#3147]: crash after upgrading base graphics/sound set when opening the game options menu and you were using the upgraded set 20:28:24 <Belugas> that shows how well marketing and sales department are getting along with customers... same level of "high quality standard" 20:28:26 <Belugas> buwahahahah!!! 20:30:26 <gathers> Anyone working on timetables? I'm trying to improve the auto-separation patch a little to make it even more automatic. 20:31:17 <glx> yeah one more lib compiled \o/ (it's slowwwwwwww) 20:31:36 <TrueBrain> glx: it is _very_ slow :p 20:32:06 <glx> maybe db46 is very big :) 20:32:41 <TrueBrain> not the smallest, but still :p 20:33:00 <glx> expat seems faster (configure already done) 20:34:39 <Belugas> gathers, not among the devs, for sure. apart those courageous guys, your guess is as good as mine 20:35:43 <Rubidium> compiling libdb4.6 takes ~8 hours on armel, openttd ~2 hours... so if you're going to compile an universal binary it'll be roughly as fast as the db46 compile 20:35:55 <glx> http://glx.dnsalias.net:8080/openttd/osx-vmware.png 20:36:24 <Rubidium> although... libdb4.6 on i386 takes 30 minutes whereas it takes 4 for OTTD 20:37:23 * TrueBrain joins all glx' channels :p 20:37:57 <TrueBrain> glx: top: 30% 20:37:58 <gathers> Belugas, ok, perhaps I'll try the forums then. was hoping someone might be here that I could just dump my patch onto :P 20:37:59 <TrueBrain> lol 20:38:05 <TrueBrain> maybe you need to stop top :p 20:38:16 <Rubidium> igor! :) 20:38:17 <glx> with it or not it still slow :) 20:38:29 <TrueBrain> glx: but I am truly impressed it runs at all! 20:39:05 <glx> and it's way better than 10.3.9 in pearpc 20:39:40 * OwenS gets curios as to glx presence in "#millenium-staff" and "#millenium-team" as an op... 20:39:42 <TrueBrain> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=44895 <- took longer than expect :) 20:40:21 <glx> the real problem is probably missing vmware video driver 20:41:01 <glx> OwenS: why ? 20:41:27 <OwenS> No reason in particular. Just interesting :p 20:42:04 <OwenS> Or would be if A) It wasn't french B) It did anything which interested me :p 20:43:50 * Belugas is reluctant to leave his seat to home 20:44:04 <Belugas> but i guess i should overcome that reluctance and jusst... RUN!!!!! 20:44:06 <Belugas> night 20:44:15 <TrueBrain> night Belugas 20:44:27 <Lakie> Night Belugas. 20:44:32 <Belugas> you too mister 20:44:38 <glx> expat compiled and installed, so it can be fast :) 20:44:41 <Belugas> make that misters 20:45:14 <glx> hmm now ncursew :( (this one will takes time I think) 20:45:17 *** frosch123 [~frosch@89.15.220.222] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:45:55 *** Dred_furst` [~Dred@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:46:20 *** Runr [~Runr@154.0.erx-lhm.eidsiva.net] has left #openttd [] 20:49:58 <OwenS> Yet another reason SourceForge sucks: "By submitting, posting or displaying Content on or through SourceForge.net, you grant COMPANY a worldwide, non-exclusive, irrevocable, perpetual, fully sublicensable, royalty-free license to use, reproduce, adapt, modify, translate, create derivative works from, publish, perform, display, rent, resell and distribute such Content (in whole or part) on SourceForge.net and incorporate 20:49:59 <OwenS> Content in other works, in any form, media, or technology developed by COMPANY, though COMPANY is not required to incorporate Feedback into any COMPANY products or services. COMPANY reserves the right to syndicate Content submitted, posted or displayed by you on or through SourceForge.net and use that Content in connection with any service offered by COMPANY". Or, in other words, "everything you submit to our servers which you 20:50:01 <OwenS> own we can do whatever we want with" 20:50:05 <OwenS> flaah at message splitting 20:50:13 <OwenS> and Konversation not warning... 20:50:29 <TrueBrain> OwenS: GoogleCode is no difference 20:50:33 <TrueBrain> I am suprised you are suprised 20:51:09 <OwenS> All the more reason for one to self host :p 20:51:23 <TrueBrain> absolutely 20:51:34 <TrueBrain> if you want your code to be 100% yours, don't share it at all! 20:56:14 <R0b0t1> Ok 20:56:21 <R0b0t1> If they didn't include the selling part, that'd be ok. 20:56:23 <R0b0t1> But they do. 20:56:39 <OwenS> Quite simply, I disagree with the assertion that SourceForge should get extra rights to code they host simply through being it's host 20:56:50 <R0b0t1> ^ 20:57:33 <OwenS> ...Not that it particularly matters when my code is under the X11 license anyway I don't know :P 20:57:39 <OwenS> (Neither is it on SourceForge) 20:57:55 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@cpc1-stkn13-0-0-cust196.midd.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:58:11 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@cpc1-stkn13-0-0-cust196.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 21:05:22 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.14.207.plusnet.pcl-ag01.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 21:07:18 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:09:04 <TrueBrain> glx: suprising enough, I can get to the install in ESXi with 10.5 .. will see if it can finish the install 21:10:00 *** gathers [~gathers@c80-216-137-37.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 21:11:28 <TrueBrain> lol, it thinks the disk is an external device ... 21:33:43 *** Mks [~mks@c83-176-234-98.cust.tele2.se] has joined #openttd 21:35:17 <TrueBrain> http://www.efi-x.com/ <- would that be anything near useful? 21:35:26 <TrueBrain> (sorry about the BAD website) 21:35:44 <TrueBrain> glx: how long did installing took you? Here it currently says 2 hours :p 21:36:13 <glx> can't remember 21:36:48 <glx> but 2 hours seems accurate :) 21:36:51 <TrueBrain> hehe 21:36:53 <TrueBrain> sucks .... 21:37:07 <TrueBrain> I remember natively it installed much faster .. like 15 minutes or something 21:37:38 <glx> but for me it's probably because virtual HDD 21:38:14 <glx> (and fragmentation) 21:38:30 <TrueBrain> well, at least it is running ... no guarantee it will run after installing, but it does more then it ever did :p 21:38:49 <TrueBrain> I should copy the official .iso I have from my linux to my windows OS, so I can try that too .. now I am trying Leopard :p 21:39:25 <glx> if it's not an amd cpu, official version may work :) 21:39:37 <TrueBrain> it is AMD, but I can bootstrap a voodoo kernel 21:41:12 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejf52.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 21:43:26 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Have a nice evening.] 21:46:38 *** green-devil [~l@d40a9496.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [] 21:51:41 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F690.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:58:10 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:59:46 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.14.207.plusnet.pcl-ag01.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 22:02:09 <TrueBrain> EFI-X costs about 200 euro :s 22:02:10 <TrueBrain> auch! 22:04:32 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 22:05:01 <Xaroth> wtf is it anyways? 22:05:05 <Xaroth> all i see is some crappy joomla site 22:05:29 <KingJ> Emulates an EFI bios so you can run OSX on your system 22:05:43 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.14.207.plusnet.pcl-ag01.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 22:05:47 <Xaroth> ew 22:05:57 <TrueBrain> emulate .. it IS a EFI BIOS :p 22:06:15 <TrueBrain> but specific it .. euh .. does what OSX wants from it, and OSX instant thinks it runs on a real Mac :p 22:06:30 <TrueBrain> still requires you to have Intel with SSE2 and SSE3, if I understand this correctly :) 22:06:34 <Prof_Frink> ...until the next update to OSX. 22:06:38 <TrueBrain> of course bootstrapping a voodoo-kernel solves that ;) 22:06:45 <TrueBrain> Prof_Frink: good thing about EFI, you can patch it ;) 22:08:16 <Prof_Frink> Pfft, they'll just measure the local RDF flux density to see if it's a real mac. 22:08:49 <TrueBrain> there now even is a SMC emulator :) 22:09:03 <TrueBrain> you no longer have to hack the kext to use a few essential drivers :) 22:10:18 <TrueBrain> glx: the installer is currently not limited by memory or disk .. 22:10:26 <TrueBrain> not even CPU .. 22:10:29 <TrueBrain> dunno what is holding it back :p 22:11:13 <andythenorth> Rubidium: did anything get concluded on x/y text offsets? http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=43949 22:11:56 <andythenorth> After dismissing it all as crazy talk, suddenly I might have found a valid use case (embarrassed) 22:12:15 <TrueBrain> lol, I have crash reports ... (when looking at the installation log) 22:12:21 <TrueBrain> it tried to access 0x200 (memory-access) 22:12:26 <TrueBrain> that caused a SIGBUS .. no shit .. 22:14:31 <TrueBrain> k ... friday or something I will try to install OSX on my intel machine here .. I now have enough shit to possible make it through :p 22:14:36 <TrueBrain> for now: night all! 22:16:01 <Nite_Owl> later TrueBrain 22:21:06 *** daChaac [~daChaac@dsl-kvlbrasgw2-fe05df00-246.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:22:54 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:29:07 *** th1ngwath [~thingie@88.83.164.57] has joined #openttd 22:29:49 <Rubidium> andythenorth: it's 'kinda' supported, but graphics bugs caused by it will be blamed on the NewGRF 22:31:28 *** thingwath [~thingie@88.83.164.57] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:31:28 <andythenorth> Rubidium: thanks. I need to try and solve this problem: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=813231#p813231 22:32:11 <Rubidium> there are (or were?) idea to make the text start after the widest sprite 22:32:38 <Rubidium> however, it's not implemented and it'll break anyone that hacks it with SETX 22:33:29 <andythenorth> hmm. text after widest sprite would be more sane. And (I guess) less code for every sprite in the newgrf. 22:34:20 <Rubidium> however, currently it might be causing havoc with RTL texts 22:34:40 *** thingwath [~thingie@88.83.164.57] has joined #openttd 22:35:13 *** th1ngwath [~thingie@88.83.164.57] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:36:14 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 22:36:27 <Rubidium> like the strings being x pixels from the right edge and overflowing more over the vehicle sprites 22:36:37 *** Grelouk_ [~Grelouk@87.47.99-84.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:37:48 <andythenorth> ok so I guess I use SETX then? 22:41:49 <R0b0t1> SEXT. 22:41:56 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:47:57 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has quit [] 22:48:54 *** fonsinchen [~alve@V9e87.v.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 22:51:05 *** PhoenixII [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:51:07 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 22:56:28 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.14.207.plusnet.pcl-ag01.dyn.plus.net] has left #openttd [] 23:03:36 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 23:04:09 <SmatZ> .... 2 hours 32 minutes phone with girlfriend ... 23:04:11 <SmatZ> is that normal? 23:05:04 <R0b0t1> Perhaps. 23:05:14 <Xaroth> yes 23:05:16 <R0b0t1> I unno, I don't talk very well. I just end up listening to people. 23:05:25 <Rubidium> 2 minutes "heh, how was your day" and the rest "you hang up first(, no you hang up first)*" 23:05:35 <SmatZ> hehehe 23:06:07 <Rubidium> always useful if people leave before getting the question answered 23:07:30 <Rubidium> degraded English is brought to you by sleep; get it for free, everyday, everywhere. Get it NOW! :) 23:07:41 <SmatZ> :o) 23:19:09 *** fonsinchen [~alve@V9e87.v.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:22:26 <MyCatVerbs> SmatZ: no, that's terrible. 23:22:30 <MyCatVerbs> Bloody travesty. 23:22:47 <SmatZ> hehe 23:23:02 <MyCatVerbs> Both get VOIP clients instead, it'll be cheaper and you'll get better sound quality. 23:23:21 <MyCatVerbs> I mean really, SmatZ. Using phones, in this day and age? Tut tut. 23:23:26 <SmatZ> :'-( 23:23:43 <SmatZ> I need a wireless voip phone then 23:25:39 <Xaroth> skype + headset? 23:26:26 <petern> isn't that still... a phone? 23:26:58 <Xaroth> what, skype? 23:28:34 <Belugas> burp 23:28:50 * petern burps as requested 23:30:01 <MyCatVerbs> petern: well, it fulfills the same need as a phone, sure. 23:30:56 <MyCatVerbs> But VOIP services don't all clip at ~8kHz in order to save bandwidth because your telco are cheap bastards. :) 23:31:59 <petern> well, no, skype is malware 23:32:14 <R0b0t1> orly? 23:32:52 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77C97.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 23:33:10 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77CF6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:33:40 <petern> and phone lines generally only have frequency response up to 4kHz because... well, that's all that's needed, and phone lines can be long 23:35:38 <MyCatVerbs> petern: whether Skype is malware or not is not that much of a problem. There are plenty of alternatives. 23:36:47 <MyCatVerbs> Hell, if you really can't stand the idea of running Ekiga then go buy a copy of Half-Life, start a deathmatch listen server, have everyone else join and everyone binds a key to +voice. 23:36:58 <MyCatVerbs> Instant conference call, with guns! ^_^ 23:37:00 <R0b0t1> XD 23:38:10 <petern> ekiga's fine by me 23:38:45 <petern> although i happen to have a hardware voip phone, so i'd use that 23:38:51 <MyCatVerbs> HLDM is more fun, though. :) 23:39:33 <MyCatVerbs> petern: By which you mean a SIPphone, or something else? 23:39:34 <petern> not when it's mostly 11 year olds with squeaky voices playing who you didn't want to talk to in the first place 23:39:56 <petern> i mean a hardware voip phone 23:41:05 <MyCatVerbs> Do you mean something that works with various difference services or a device specifically for one provider? 23:41:33 <petern> it's a generic device, yes 23:41:49 <glx> I just use the phone plugged on the freebox 23:42:00 <R0b0t1> I use... a phone. 23:42:02 <MyCatVerbs> I was under the impression that all the generic VOIP phones used SIP? 23:42:14 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't use phones 23:42:23 <MyCatVerbs> (Hence the nickname 'SIPphone'.) If that's ignorance on my part then please correct me. 23:42:38 <petern> well this one is a cisco, so it can run sip or sccp 23:44:59 <MyCatVerbs> Oh, neat. I hadn't heard of sccp before. 23:46:37 <petern> it's more for a "pbx that happens to use IP" system 23:47:01 <petern> but it is "generic" in that you're not locked to some telco provider 23:47:13 <petern> and asterisk can talk it, of course ;) 23:49:26 <MyCatVerbs> Now that last bit is nifty. :) 23:50:04 *** JFBelugas [~jfranc@ip-104.41.99.216.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net] has joined #openttd 23:50:15 <JFBelugas> someon mentionned a request? 23:50:27 <petern> wahey 23:50:28 <petern> i'm still awake 23:50:42 <JFBelugas> barely? 23:50:48 <JFBelugas> or... 23:50:52 <JFBelugas> good enough? 23:55:16 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-65-96-207-14.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd