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Retry in #openttdcoop.] 00:28:08 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-168-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 00:33:00 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFA504.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:39:44 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host86-150-87-14.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 00:39:55 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.23.18.79] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0-rc3] 00:53:07 <PeterT> @seen KenjiE20 00:53:07 <DorpsGek> PeterT: KenjiE20 was last seen in #openttd 2 hours, 4 minutes, and 12 seconds ago: <KenjiE20> Rubidium: lol 00:58:29 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:58:29 <welshdragon> @seen bot abuse 00:58:29 <DorpsGek> welshdragon: seen [<channel>] <nick> 00:58:51 <welshdragon> @seen bot_abuse 00:58:51 <DorpsGek> welshdragon: I have not seen bot_abuse. 00:58:58 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:59:11 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 01:04:01 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 01:04:24 <PeterT> @seen welshdragon 01:04:24 <DorpsGek> PeterT: welshdragon was last seen in #openttd 5 minutes and 33 seconds ago: <welshdragon> @seen bot_abuse 01:04:40 <PeterT> @seen noone's_in_here_why_does_it_matter 01:04:40 <DorpsGek> PeterT: Error: "noone's_in_here_why_does_it_matter" is not a valid nick. That nick is too long for this server. 01:04:53 *** PeterT is now known as the 01:05:12 *** the is now known as PeterT 01:06:04 <welshdragon> @seen there's_me_and_Sacro_watching 01:06:04 <DorpsGek> welshdragon: I have not seen there's_me_and_Sacro_watching. 01:08:20 * fjb doesn't want to know what Sacro is watching. 01:08:33 <welshdragon> lol 01:09:03 <welshdragon> fjb: we all know Sacro watches pr0n 01:09:16 <PeterT> i3am in europe, then you shouldnt be in IRC at 3am 01:09:41 <welshdragon> it's 2am in the uk 01:09:47 <PeterT> ok whatever 01:09:52 <PeterT> you need to go to sleep 01:10:23 <PeterT> 8seconds 01:10:52 <PeterT> good night all 01:10:59 <fjb> We are the night shift. 01:11:46 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-168-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Goodbye] 01:12:04 <welshdragon> indeed 01:19:16 *** Choco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DE882.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:20:30 *** Akoz [~jkg@ti0006a380-dhcp0811.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 01:21:06 *** MizardX [MizardX@h-28-236.A159.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: reboot] 01:22:13 *** Mks [~mks@c83-176-234-98.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:24:09 *** Choco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DE882.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 01:25:07 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:25:58 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DBC69.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:26:33 *** MizardX [MizardX@h-28-236.A159.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 01:30:14 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:30:38 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 01:34:04 *** fjb_ [~frank@p5485B994.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:40:54 *** fjb [~frank@p5485BDE7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:06:05 *** fjb_ is now known as fjb 02:06:40 <planetmaker> Rubidium: in os2.cpp: shouldn't #include "table/strings.h" be #include "../../table/strings.h" ? 02:10:50 <glx> nobody compiles for OS2 ;) 02:11:09 <glx> but you're probably right 02:25:41 <z-MaTRiX> :) 02:25:42 <z-MaTRiX> http://goodbye-microsoft.com/screenshots/ 02:26:04 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 02:42:09 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:99ed:4fa7:4cc4:b7fe] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:08:54 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:13:19 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:19:27 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host86-150-87-14.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:20:28 *** nicfer [~Usuario@168.226.104.43] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:39:32 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:43:38 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 04:12:54 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Quit: ecke] 05:02:22 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 05:02:22 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:02:25 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 05:11:04 *** R0b0t1 [~Enigma@64-136-216-213.dyn.everestkc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:16:25 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:26:48 <Rubidium> planetmaker: no; primarily because not adding ../../ works for many other files 05:53:34 *** stuffcorpse [~stuffcorp@121.98.136.241] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:54:04 *** MyCatVer1s [~mycatverb@lurkingfox.co.uk] has joined #openttd 06:01:23 *** MyCatVerbs [~mycatverb@lurkingfox.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:02:12 *** stuffcorpse [~stuffcorp@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 06:09:13 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 06:10:37 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 06:22:33 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:33:25 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B9E0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:48:53 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B9E0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:52:15 *** Mks [~mks@c83-176-234-98.cust.tele2.se] has joined #openttd 07:14:17 *** Irregardless [~foo@122.162.167.218] has joined #openttd 07:14:23 *** Irregardless is now known as Aankhen`` 07:16:06 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B1CE4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:18:21 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B1332.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 07:18:24 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 07:23:19 *** Farden [jk3farden@lns-bzn-48f-81-56-247-196.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 07:47:22 *** welterde [welterde@gandalf.srv.welterde.de] has joined #openttd 08:01:06 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-98-249-11-38.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:04:04 <TrueBrain> Yexo: have you read my request in tha tother channel? 08:04:17 <TrueBrain> blathijs: have you read my request in tha tother channel? 08:07:03 <TrueBrain> (yesterday around 21:00, FYI :p) 08:07:33 <blathijs> TrueBrain: Yeah, I was silently agreeing :-) 08:07:40 <TrueBrain> I don't do silent ;) 08:07:42 <TrueBrain> tnx 08:14:59 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:22:09 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@102.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 08:23:31 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 08:23:44 *** tdev [~tdev@p508EC664.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:25:56 *** ctibor [~quassel@77.48.228.43] has joined #openttd 08:26:14 <Terkhen> good morning 08:30:21 <Noldo> morning 08:32:17 *** DaleStan [~Dale@98.223.108.117] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:32:37 *** DaleStan [~Dale@98.223.108.117] has joined #openttd 08:34:27 *** reldred [~reldred@115.131.217.39] has joined #openttd 08:34:27 *** Pikka [~user@58.173.248.50] has joined #openttd 08:39:55 <planetmaker> good morning 08:40:03 <Yexo> TrueBrain: yes, it's fine :) 08:40:21 <planetmaker> Yexo, did you look at the movement of the airplanes in the title game? 08:40:32 <planetmaker> look especially at the planes incoming from upper left 08:40:49 <TrueBrain> Yexo: tnx 08:40:51 <planetmaker> they have - with one of your changes to their movement now IMO an ugly movement path in the airport holding pattern 08:40:59 <planetmaker> like bouncing at the injection point 08:42:09 <Yexo> planetmaker: I'll be adding 3 more injections points per airport today 08:42:19 <Yexo> so every airport will have 4 insertion points 08:42:27 <planetmaker> :-) That's, of course, the WAY better solution. 08:42:30 * planetmaker hugs Yexo 08:43:24 <planetmaker> also, but you're surely aware of it, the movement on some airports could use improvement wrt unnecessary turning in some places 08:44:23 <Yexo> I haven't checked the movement onthe airports themself too good 08:44:39 <Yexo> so if you have a list of points that could be improved that would be great :) 08:45:20 <planetmaker> Ok, I'll keep that in mind as an easy task without thinking :-) 08:46:01 <planetmaker> one I know: international: when on the landing strip still, there's an unnecessary turn (1/8 too much) when turning around at the end of it. 08:46:55 <planetmaker> another, also there: right of the hangar, when planes go to the (un)loading spot there, they turn frantically, just in order to proceed as they went before. 08:47:39 <planetmaker> others I haven't checked or don't remember right now. 08:47:55 <Pikka> hmmports... 08:48:14 <Yexo> planetmaker: the one at the end of the landing strip is obvious 08:48:24 <Yexo> but I don't see a problem before the hangar 08:48:44 <Yexo> Pikka: I'm (very loosely) implementing http://users.tt-forums.net/pikka/wiki/index.php?title=Newgrf_Airports_Documentation this spec of you :) 08:48:54 <planetmaker> hm... worry, I think it was international, not intercontinental, the last one 08:49:06 <Pikka> yexo: seriously? OO;;; 08:49:13 <planetmaker> (the one with two landing strips on the right) 08:49:22 <Yexo> ok, I'll check that one 08:49:27 <planetmaker> or rather: one landing, one take-off 08:49:53 <planetmaker> but wait for the list, if you want :-) 08:50:17 <Yexo> ok :) 08:50:21 <Pikka> how loosely? :P if you need any test grfs, let me know. 08:51:20 <planetmaker> Pikka, he needs decent test grfs with appropriate graphics :-) 08:51:20 <Yexo> not all action0 variables have the same id etc. 08:51:27 <Yexo> that can be easily changed of course 08:51:41 <Yexo> and I'm currently working on the state machine callback 08:52:03 <TrueBrain> Yexo: but but but but but but but ... isn't that deemed impossible?!?!?! :p :p :p 08:52:04 <TrueBrain> hihi 08:52:08 <Yexo> as soon as I have that working I'll post a patch on tt-forums, but before that a test airport would be very nice 08:52:18 <Yexo> TrueBrain: hehe :) 08:52:29 <Yexo> I already have a very basic version working, so it certainly isn't impossible 08:53:07 <Rubidium> always nice to see stuff taken out of context :) 08:53:18 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: don't you just love that? :) 08:54:01 <Pikka> hmm, okay. I'll get on my real computer in a second... I had a test grf that I was making for steven which already has some graphics in, but I don't know if you've used the same feature numbers etc. and I haven't implemented the statemachine yet... 08:55:07 <Yexo> I've used 10 for airport tiles and 0D for airports (as feature number) 08:55:55 <Pikka> How does this look? http://users.tt-forums.net/pikka/wiki/index.php?title=Av8ports_testing ... 'tis about as simple as an airport can get. I'll try and get it up to spec for you. 08:55:57 <Pikka> brb 08:57:43 *** stuffcorpse [~stuffcorp@121.98.136.241] has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:58:01 <Yexo> Pikka: looks like that can be very easily modified so I can load it as a real airport 08:58:10 *** stuffcorpse [~stuffcorp@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 08:59:53 *** tdev [~tdev@p508EC664.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:00:33 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 09:03:59 *** Pikka [~user@58.173.248.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:06:33 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:06:33 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 09:11:25 <Eddi|zuHause> wow... i just found a set of wagons + steam engine that was missing 09:14:40 *** tdev [~tdev@p508EC664.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:14:56 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm110.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 09:16:40 *** Farden123 [jk3farden@lns-bzn-48f-81-56-247-196.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 09:21:02 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@252.69.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 09:22:20 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 09:24:04 *** Farden [jk3farden@lns-bzn-48f-81-56-247-196.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:25:51 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has joined #openttd 09:26:51 *** tdev_ [~tdev@p508EBED1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:27:35 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:27:35 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 09:31:33 <Aankhen``> After copying over the TTD gm/ directory to the OpenTTD root directory, what else do I have to do to get the music working? 09:32:31 <Pikka> Yexo: I'll switch out the feature numbers, and I'll have to work on the nodes (I don't know how the coordinate system should work...)... or would you rather just have the sources so you can do it yourself? :o 09:33:21 <Yexo> coordinates are pixel offsets from the north tile 09:34:05 *** tdev [~tdev@p508EC664.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:34:06 <Aankhen``> Okay, telling the jukebox to shuffle seems to work. 09:34:33 <Yexo> http://pastebin.org/13892 I don't have a spec currently (other then your proposed one), but this is a remake of the small airport with an extra rotation 09:34:33 <Pikka> hmm 09:34:44 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.76] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:36:12 <Pikka> rotation? :o 09:36:30 <Yexo> just define an extra tile layout and you're done :) 09:37:12 <Yexo> nodes are automatically rotated, callbacks ust use node numbers so don't need rotating at all 09:37:18 <Pikka> right :o 09:38:26 <Pikka> and the return "turn to heading" is automatically adjusted? :P if you're going to use that part of my spec...? 09:38:58 <Yexo> I'm just beginning to implement the state machine callback 09:38:59 <Pikka> it would be good to have an airport var which reports the rotation, so that the statemachine can be adjusted for alternate headings if desired. 09:39:08 <Yexo> but indeed, that will be rotated automatically 09:39:09 * Pikka nods 09:39:38 <Yexo> an airport var with the rotation is no problem at all 09:39:47 <Yexo> but there shouldn't be a need for it 09:40:21 <Pikka> *shrugs* 09:40:59 <Pikka> for eyecandy purposes, a creator might want the different airport rotation layouts to be slightly different. it's worth having, just so it's there if anyone wants it... 09:41:36 <Yexo> there I agree :) 09:41:42 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:41:57 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 09:42:38 <Pikka> what are the feature bytes again? sorry... 09:42:52 <Pikka> feel free to edit the wiki page btw, or add notes on the talk page. :} 09:43:12 <Yexo> 10 for airport tiles and 0D for airports 09:43:59 <Pikka> rgr 09:45:01 <Yexo> http://devs.openttd.org/~yexo/renum_data_airports.zip <- data files for nforenum that support my currently implemented spec 09:45:26 <Pikka> thanks :) 09:46:21 <z-MaTRiX> hey-ho 09:48:52 *** stuffcorpse [~stuffcorp@121.98.136.241] has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:49:10 <Pikka> hmm, it's not happy with feat.dat 09:49:28 <Pikka> or... 09:49:34 <Pikka> hmm 09:49:53 <Pikka> "2v.dat contains information for fewer features than does feat.dat." 09:50:08 *** stuffcorpse [~stuffcorp@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 09:50:34 <Yexo> not sure how that happened 09:50:42 <Yexo> is it loading the correct file? 09:51:42 <Pikka> I just dropped everything you sent into .renum 09:52:00 <Pikka> perhaps my renum is out of date 09:52:17 <Yexo> that shouldn't effect this at all 09:52:45 <Yexo> hmm, unless some version number was updated and nforenum overwrites 2v.dat with it's internal version 09:53:52 <Pikka> eh, I downloaded the latest version and it works, so.. :) 09:54:02 <Yexo> ok, great :) 09:54:36 <Yexo> so I should probably update the versino of those .dat files, but I don't understand what number to update exactly 09:54:39 <Yexo> will see about that later 10:00:46 <Pikka> the node coordinates are ala http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/img/wiki_up//coordinates3d.png ? 10:01:15 <Pikka> from the top corner of the tile at 0,0 of the airport? 10:01:36 <Yexo> looks like it 10:01:43 <Pikka> okiedokie 10:04:24 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 10:04:24 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:04:45 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has joined #openttd 10:05:11 <Eddi|zuHause> ok... apparently i am lacking an axle now 10:06:30 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r17338 /trunk/src/airport_movement.h: -Feature(tte): Add extra entry points for all airports so planes don't make strange turns when entering the holding stack 10:07:33 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17339 /trunk/ (25 files in 7 dirs): -Codechange: move thread related files to their own directory (like done for video, music, sound, etc) 10:10:34 *** Farden123 [jk3farden@lns-bzn-48f-81-56-247-196.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:10:42 *** Farden [jk3farden@lns-bzn-48f-81-56-247-196.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 10:22:21 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 10:35:23 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.76] has joined #openttd 10:35:33 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 10:36:41 *** Farden123 [jk3farden@lns-bzn-48f-81-56-247-196.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 10:41:27 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:43:58 *** Farden [jk3farden@lns-bzn-48f-81-56-247-196.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:44:09 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 10:44:12 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.20.158.35] has joined #openttd 10:44:44 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DE882.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:52:27 *** Farden123 is now known as Farden 11:03:28 *** cipi97 [~cipik97@92.84.111.216] has joined #openttd 11:03:52 <cipi97> Hi 11:04:04 <Yexo> hello cipi97 11:04:17 <cipi97> Can anybody answer me at a questions 11:04:25 <Yexo> maybe 11:04:27 *** stuffcorpse [~stuffcorp@121.98.136.241] has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:04:29 <Yexo> it depends on the questions 11:04:33 <cipi97> Sorry for my enghlish , but i am romanian 11:04:36 <cipi97> :D 11:04:46 <Eddi|zuHause> that is still not a question 11:04:57 <cipi97> How can i introduce a new company? 11:05:08 <Yexo> a computer opponent? 11:05:13 <cipi97> yes 11:05:14 <Yexo> just type "start_ai" in the console 11:05:30 <cipi97> thanks very musch :D 11:05:37 <planetmaker> and make sure you configured to be that AI of the type you want. 11:05:42 <Yexo> or increase the nr of competitors in the difficulty window and wait till they appear 11:06:55 <cipi97> ?? 11:07:26 <cipi97> Can me explain about "and make sure you configured to be that AI of the type you want."? 11:07:55 <Yexo> in the main menu there is a button AI ssettings, click it and you can configure different AIs 11:08:11 <cipi97> And how can I stop a company? 11:08:20 <Yexo> stop_ai <company_id> 11:08:23 <cipi97> Or delete a company? 11:08:28 <cipi97> Thanks ;) 11:10:32 <Yexo> Pikka: in your spec the newgrf does all state changes, right? 11:11:07 <cipi97> What is the company ID? 11:11:39 <Yexo> isn't it a better idea of instead making the newgrf use "1 = change the movement state to the value specified in the low byte and reiterate ", just make another return value "arrived at current state" and let openttd handle the transitions between states? 11:11:59 <Yexo> as handling the current state also has to be done by openttd (loading, servicing, etc.) 11:12:25 <Yexo> cipi97: 1 for your own company, 2 for the first AI, etc. 11:12:56 <Yexo> but if you delete AI 2 the companyid of the 3rd company doesn't change 11:14:01 <cipi97> Thanks 11:14:48 <cipi97> It not works 11:14:50 <cipi97> :(( 11:15:15 <cipi97> :'( 11:15:26 <Yexo> what _exactly_ did you type? and what _exactly_ was the result you got? 11:15:42 <cipi97> stop_ai <2> 11:15:58 <Yexo> make that "stop_ai 2" 11:16:11 <Yexo> the <> were just to denote it was a variable you had to fill in 11:16:12 <cipi97> Unknown company. Company range is between 1 and 15 11:16:20 <cipi97> aaa... 11:16:25 <cipi97> thanks 11:22:10 *** nfc [nfc@cable-hvk-fe7ede00-156.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 11:27:57 <cipi97> HELP! 11:28:30 <Rubidium> ANSWER? 11:29:06 <cipi97> I don't now to explain very good in english 11:29:19 <cipi97> Is anybody romanian Here? 11:29:41 <cipi97> It seems is not 11:29:57 <Pikka> <Yexo> Pikka: in your spec the newgrf does all state changes, right? <- yep. the state is stored in the airport's var 7C 11:30:21 <Pikka> and changed via var2advanced operator 10 11:30:41 <Yexo> what I ment was the vehicle state, ie FLYING/HANGAR?TERM1/etc. 11:30:44 <Pikka> oh 11:30:57 <Pikka> yeah, I just read the rest of what you wrote, and I see that :P 11:31:03 <cipi97> I have an AI, Street Traffic, and I want to delete It from my computer. Can you help me? 11:31:19 <Yexo> cipi97: open the ai debug panel 11:31:24 <Yexo> it's under the red question mark 11:31:32 <Yexo> oh, hmm, delete from your computer 11:31:45 <Yexo> it's most likely in "My Documents/OpenTTD/content_download/ai/" 11:32:28 <Xaroth> i should stop trying to outtype yexo on a phone.... 11:32:47 <Yexo> ust stop typing on a phone :) 11:34:05 <Pikka> Yexo: I'd say the only problem with letting OTTD handle the movement state is that it reduces the flexibility 11:34:46 <Xaroth> yexo: im too much of a geek for that... 11:34:49 <Yexo> Pikka: what if the newgrf gets the question "Can we change the state to xxx on position yyy"? 11:35:10 <Pikka> gets the question? from where? 11:35:14 *** Farden123 [jk3farden@lns-bzn-48f-81-56-247-196.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 11:35:27 <Yexo> sorry, let me describe it better 11:37:07 <Yexo> your spec: vehicle goes to loading bay, arrives, callback to newgrf->result = change to state LOADING, done loading, callback -> result = change state to GOING_TO_TAKEOFF, arrived there, callback->result = change state to TAKEOFF, etc. 11:37:58 <Pikka> yup 11:38:25 <Yexo> my proposal: vehicle goes to loading bay (state = TERM1), openttd changes state to loading (because it's a loading bay, done loading, openttd wants to change state to GOING_TO_TAKEOFF but ask newgrf whether this is ok 11:38:56 <Yexo> it might be only a subtle chagne, but this allows openttd to handle go-to-depot orders while the aircraft is in the airport 11:39:12 <Yexo> and not only manual orders, but also the need for servicing etc. 11:39:25 <Pikka> the callback can't handle that? 11:39:50 <Yexo> maybe it can, but I think that's too much information for the callback then 11:40:52 <Pikka> hmmm... how so? 11:41:13 <Yexo> on the other hand, doing it completely in the newgrf allows the newgrf to define more states without the need of changing openttd code 11:41:28 <Pikka> the advantage of using callbacks rather than a "hard-coded" system is that it allows grf creators to do things that the programmers hadn't thought of. exactly. :) 11:42:04 <Pikka> for example, with the callback, I could model rejected take-offs, without ottd needing to know about it. 11:42:18 <cipi97> I deleted Street Traffic 11:42:20 *** Farden [jk3farden@lns-bzn-48f-81-56-247-196.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:42:58 <Yexo> ok, so I'll go with your callback system :) 11:43:21 <cipi97> But in the game i press start_ai and appears Street Traffic and ERROR. :(( 11:43:58 <Yexo> cipi97: exit the game and start it again 11:43:58 <cipi97> Help me! 11:44:04 <cipi97> Thanks ;) 11:44:24 <cipi97> But I want te be the same game 11:45:03 <Yexo> so save the game first and load it after you restarted openttd? 11:46:03 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-115-148.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #openttd 11:49:39 *** Farden123 is now known as Farden 11:51:28 <cipi97> It works ;) 11:52:25 <cipi97> And the last question: Where is my monument in the town? 11:52:45 <planetmaker> wherever you built it. 11:52:46 <Yexo> it's build randomly near the center, at least if you build one 11:52:55 <planetmaker> oh, he :-P 11:53:05 <planetmaker> believe Yexo in case of doubt, not me ;-) 11:53:16 <Yexo> planetmaker: company HQ != statue of company owner 11:53:21 <Yexo> not sure which one he ment 11:53:24 <planetmaker> Yexo, I know 11:53:43 <cipi97> I don't see the monument 11:53:53 *** Zephyris [~Zephyris@cpc2-oxfd14-0-0-cust861.oxfd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 11:53:56 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:444c:38d9:61b1:beea] has joined #openttd 11:53:59 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 11:54:02 <planetmaker> But as I never built statues, I wasn't aware anymore that they're places *somehwere* randomly 11:54:02 <Yexo> cipi97: and you did build one? 11:54:03 <cipi97> and i build it in all cities 11:54:03 <TrueBrain> have you built it? 11:54:24 <Yexo> then show us a screenshot of a town you build one in 11:54:35 <cipi97> ok 11:54:36 <planetmaker> cipi97, it's not like it's standing out much. 11:54:49 <planetmaker> It's just another place with stones and a piece of art in the middle. 11:55:09 <planetmaker> but it has the noteworthy property of indestructability. 11:56:37 <cipi97> But i don't know how it look 11:57:50 <Doorslammer> Gah, not again 11:57:52 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:57:57 <Doorslammer> Nightly slow to download and often fails 11:58:23 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 11:59:22 <Rubidium> Doorslammer: that's likely your (ISP's) connection 11:59:39 <TrueBrain> given the fact for the last hour we have been pushing 4 mbit/sec from the server, I guess it is a local issue ;) 11:59:55 <Rubidium> as it works just fine for me, okay TrueBrain will complain it's slow, but 1.8 MiB/s seems reasonable 12:00:19 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: yesterday I downloaded a few thingies at 7.8 MiB/s, so yeah :p 12:00:40 <Doorslammer> 27 minutes remaining 12:00:44 <Doorslammer> Good grief :/ 12:01:37 <TrueBrain> I guess you should consider using a download accelerator :) 12:02:14 <Doorslammer> Hmmm, something to overexcite the hamsters in the compy box you say? 12:02:29 <Doorslammer> "Spin that wheel faster!" 12:02:40 <TrueBrain> it avoids 'retries' because of failures 12:02:43 <TrueBrain> they allow resuming 12:05:27 <Rubidium> hmm, the website of Sydney is slow for me; so it likely has something to do with the NL<->AU connection 12:05:32 <Rubidium> and not OpenTTD's server 12:06:07 <Doorslammer> Oh bum, not good 12:06:16 <Doorslammer> < 20 minutes remaining 12:09:34 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: well, define 'slow' 12:09:42 <TrueBrain> I mean, it is a 80ms trip for the light alone 12:10:08 <Rubidium> it's still not finished loading some random page 12:10:32 <TrueBrain> how .. science-like :p 12:10:47 <Doorslammer> Failed again 12:10:55 <TrueBrain> from PaIX to sydney is the bottleneck, I only have troubles finding the geolocation of PaIX :p 12:11:06 <TrueBrain> Doorslammer: I say it just once again: install a download accelerator 12:11:08 <TrueBrain> it allows resuming 12:11:15 <TrueBrain> else: shut up about failures, as you only have yourself to blame :) 12:12:08 <TrueBrain> lol, traffic to au is routed via US :) 12:12:45 <TrueBrain> it leaves this country via the normal london peering to the US (washington or the like) 12:13:06 <Doorslammer> Charming 12:13:27 <TrueBrain> that leg is a 80ms leg 12:13:31 <TrueBrain> there it travels to California .. another 80ms 12:13:38 <TrueBrain> then it travels to sydney, a good 160ms 12:13:54 <TrueBrain> then it enters a fucking slow backbone ... 60ms to reach your local ISP hub 12:14:19 <TrueBrain> Sydney -> Melbourne -> Adelaide -> Perth 12:14:51 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 12:14:59 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B1332.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Icebears are cute. Please, take care of them!] 12:15:05 <cipi97> Enter on my server! 12:15:08 <Doorslammer> Must be all those South Australians cutting the cables, attempting to siphon out oil 12:15:09 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17340 /trunk/src/saveload/oldloader_sl.cpp: -Fix: old loader tried to load a uint8 into a uint16 12:15:22 <cipi97> His name is Transclub!! 12:15:22 *** cipi97 was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [I will not be commanded] 12:15:44 *** cipi97 [~cipik97@92.84.111.216] has joined #openttd 12:15:57 <cipi97> It is not a comand 12:16:07 <cipi97> It is an reclam 12:16:12 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17341 /trunk/src/economy.cpp: -Fix: memory leak when trying to bankrupt the local company 12:16:20 <Doorslammer> <cipi97> Enter on my server! 12:16:25 <Doorslammer> Looks fairly commanding 12:16:42 <cipi97> I don't know very good english 12:17:02 <cipi97> I am romanian 12:17:07 <TrueBrain> Doorslammer: even if I try to reroute a bit of traffic, I can't reach your country in any sane time :) So I guess you are always a bit screwed ;) 12:17:15 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17342 /trunk/src/economy.cpp: -Fix: reset bankruptcy checks when bankruptcy has been averted and don't set an unused timeout with a magic number 12:17:16 *** reldred [~reldred@115.131.217.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:17:29 <Doorslammer> Thats the joys of living in a backwards continent 12:17:52 <cipi97> Question: How can i donate moneys at another company? 12:18:02 <TrueBrain> yup .. I just wonder why all traffic is routed via the US 12:18:22 <Doorslammer> CIA conspiracy 12:18:32 *** reldred [~reldred@115.131.205.180] has joined #openttd 12:18:55 <TrueBrain> cipi97: http://wiki.openttd.org/Multiplayer <- use the search 12:19:50 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Quit: bye] 12:20:08 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 12:20:44 <Ammler> TrueBrain: Rubidium, is it now possible to upload older versions to bananas? Maybe I made that post to early. http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=814642#p814642 12:20:49 *** tdev_ [~tdev@p508EBED1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:20:59 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B1332.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:21:02 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 12:21:02 <Ammler> +o 12:21:47 <TrueBrain> Ammler: you can only upload newer files 12:21:58 <TrueBrain> but there is no check what is 'newer' and 'older' 12:22:03 <TrueBrain> just a check if it already exists 12:22:31 <Ammler> well, if they would agree to upload the older files, would you fix the "newer" flag, after? 12:22:50 <TrueBrain> if they have a 'newer' version then the current, that would fix itself (if that is uploaded last) 12:24:08 <TrueBrain> why do people not verify their email ... hotmaill.com .. gmail (no TLD), ... 12:24:32 <Ammler> so the easiest would be, they load the old files up and then a newer version as the current. But if they won't update? 12:24:42 <TrueBrain> then you can always ask us 12:25:17 <TrueBrain> nearly 3M downloads via BaNaNaS (since launch) 12:25:18 <Ammler> well, it is only ISR and GRVTS 12:26:05 <Ammler> which has incompatible versions with same ID. 12:26:11 <Ammler> have* 12:26:15 <Pikka> truebrain: if you're fiddling with bananananananas, can you fix NARS 2,03 to 2.03? D; 12:26:26 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-115-148.prem.tmns.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:26:31 <TrueBrain> Pikka: hmm .. that might be tricky, as the files are also named as such 12:26:32 <TrueBrain> let me check 12:26:55 <Ammler> 2.04, Pikka :-) 12:27:30 <Pikka> yebbut :P 12:27:39 <Pikka> it doesn't matter if not :) 12:28:00 <TrueBrain> I can't find any entry named NARS :p 12:28:16 <TrueBrain> ah, written out :) 12:28:58 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17343 /trunk/src/ (6 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: it's bankruptcy, not bankrupcy, according to my Oxford Dictionary of English and Merriam-Webster. 12:29:20 <FauxFaux> <3 12:29:45 <TrueBrain> Pikka: fixed; only the filename is 'wrong' :) (it has a _ where it could have been a . :p) 12:31:02 <Ammler> Pikka: you could also upload the old NARS and set max version to < 0.7 12:31:20 <Ammler> so we could remove that grf too and it wouldn't be downloaded from content service. 12:31:34 <TrueBrain> wouldn't? 12:32:11 <Yexo> TrueBrain: that's "wouldn't" as in "not unless someone loads an old savegame 12:32:19 <Ammler> 8b73d8c3f5922ad35ae6f292a7b735e6 44 44 03 01 z_obsolete/pb_nars/pb_nars.grf <-- this one is in our pack. 12:32:43 <Ammler> thanks Yexo :-) 12:33:30 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17344 /trunk/src/ai/api/ (ai_event_types.cpp ai_event_types.hpp): -Codechange: splash of coding style over ai_event_types.* 12:35:08 <Pikka> thanks TrueBrain :) 12:35:17 <TrueBrain> no problem at all :) 12:37:39 <Ammler> Pikka: if you do, drop a note, so I know, I can remove it. 12:37:51 *** cipi97 [~cipik97@92.84.111.216] has left #openttd [] 12:39:06 <Pikka> ok 12:40:07 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:40:32 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 12:40:44 *** cipi97 [~cipik97@92.84.111.216] has joined #openttd 12:41:47 <cipi97> hOW CAN i DONATE MONEY AT ANOTHER COMPANY? 12:42:01 <FauxFaux> Step 1: Press capslock. 12:42:08 <z-MaTRiX> paypal? bank transfer? 12:43:10 <cipi97> No, in the game 12:43:28 <cipi97> At multi player 12:43:30 <Yexo> cipi97: read the answers given: <TrueBrain> cipi97: http://wiki.openttd.org/Multiplayer <- use the search 12:45:23 <Yexo> Pikka: any reason for the 'gap' of state machine return values? 12:45:23 <cipi97> thnaks 12:45:40 <cipi97> And how i can add a server ?? 12:46:48 <TrueBrain> [14:43] <Yexo> cipi97: read the answers given: <TrueBrain> cipi97: http://wiki.openttd.org/Multiplayer <- use the search 12:46:51 <TrueBrain> for crying out loud 12:48:19 <cipi97> And how i can listen music in the tonomate with jazz? 12:49:08 <TrueBrain> do we really need to hold your hand that much? 12:49:32 <cipi97> What? I do not understand? 12:49:45 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: you're not learning the trick either :( 12:50:08 <Belugas> hello 12:50:09 <TrueBrain> cipi97: go to http://wiki.openttd.org/ 12:50:11 <TrueBrain> USE THE SEARCH 12:50:14 <Yexo> hello Belugas 12:50:14 * TrueBrain hugs Belugas 12:50:25 <Rubidium> youpidou! :) 12:50:30 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: better? 12:50:39 <Belugas> puuuurrrr puuurrrrr puuuuurrr 12:50:42 <cipi97> Who want to enter at my server? It's name is Transclub!! 12:50:49 * cipi97 standing 12:50:52 <Belugas> howdi TrueBrain :) 12:50:59 *** cipi97 was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [this is not a channel to advertise your server] 12:51:22 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: if you did /ignore cipi97, then yes 12:53:46 <Pikka> yexo: you mean the jump from 3 to 8 and the lack of a B? not really, it just ended up that way. 12:54:08 <Yexo> ok :) 12:55:12 *** cipi97 [~cipik97@92.84.111.216] has joined #openttd 12:56:02 <cipi97> HELP ME!!! I don't find on wiki openttd, and I want to listen music at the tonomate with jazz. How i can meke this? 12:56:11 <Yexo> and what should the "throw the allert message specified in the low byte"-results do exactly? 12:56:18 <Yexo> is that for newgrf debugging? 12:57:16 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17345 /trunk/src/ (10 files in 3 dirs): -Fix [FS#2769]: one wasn't offered to take over bankrupt companies anymore; caused by the introduction NoAI, although NewAI had the same problem too. 12:57:53 <cipi97> HELP ME!!! I don't find on wiki openttd, and I want to listen music at the tonomate with jazz. How i can make this? 12:58:10 *** cipi97 was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [there's a readme file too] 12:58:13 <TrueBrain> @kban cipi97 don't be so ... annoying? demanding? what would be the word 12:58:13 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: Error: cipi97 is not in #openttd. 12:58:15 <TrueBrain> bah! 12:58:17 <TrueBrain> :p 12:59:54 <Ammler> what's a tonomate? 12:59:57 <Belugas> annoying, i'd say 13:00:06 <TrueBrain> Ammler: I wondered the same 13:00:11 *** cipi97 [~cipik97@92.84.111.216] has joined #openttd 13:00:20 <TrueBrain> @mode +q cipi97 13:00:22 *** mode/#openttd [+q cipi97!*@*] by DorpsGek 13:00:22 <TrueBrain> there :) 13:00:50 <Pikka> yexo: do you have that example nfo of the small airport? not sure on the format of property 0b 13:01:10 <Ammler> oh, "they" fixed Konversation, not owner anymore. 13:01:58 <Yexo> Pikka: http://pastebin.org/13915 that's just prop 0b 13:02:19 <Yexo> max x/y doesn't really belong there 13:02:58 <Pikka> 3, 7, 1? :o 13:03:30 <z-MaTRiX> anybody need some linux script in help developing openttd? 13:03:59 <Yexo> per line: x, y, z, flag, direction 13:04:08 <Pikka> oh 13:04:11 <Pikka> direction... 13:04:12 <TrueBrain> z-MaTRiX: that is most likely one of the silliest question I read all day :) Vague .. unclear .. silly .. weird ... it fits all ;) 13:04:18 <Pikka> nodes have directions? 13:04:20 <z-MaTRiX> <; 13:04:24 <z-MaTRiX> hey TrueBrain 13:04:41 <Yexo> Pikka: yes, but I'm not sure when exactly they are used currently 13:05:02 <Yexo> I think only for loading positions 13:05:56 <Pikka> hmm 13:06:03 <Pikka> actually, yeah 13:06:20 <Yexo> http://pastebin.org/13916 <- possible flags, not sure what will actually be supported 13:06:36 <TrueBrain> there is a banlist .. is there also a mutelist? :) 13:06:37 <Pikka> hmm 13:06:56 <TrueBrain> btw, openttd.org pastebin was bommed again .. 61 'hanging' apache instances ... 13:07:00 <TrueBrain> I hate apache .. 13:07:19 <Pikka> I would suggest that, without building, the only flag that's needed is the contact point one, since the rest is all done by the callback 13:07:22 <TinoDidriksen> Apache just needs a nightly restart... 13:07:30 <Pikka> *without overbuilding 13:07:31 <z-MaTRiX> TrueBrain<< in ircd ? 13:08:20 <Pikka> with overbuilding, the extra flags for the hangar and bays allow aircraft on the ground to be moved (and that's when the direction value might be used) 13:09:00 <Yexo> basically I just copied the existing node scheme already used by openttd (and added the z-coordinate) 13:09:31 <Yexo> so for now just fill in dummy values for those, we'll see later if a usefull definitino can be found or maybe they should be removed completely 13:10:29 <Pikka> http://users.tt-forums.net/pikka/wiki/index.php?title=Newgrf_Airports_Documentation#Action_0_Airports 13:10:53 <Pikka> xx xx yy yy zz zz dd ff.. sound reasonable 13:11:14 <Pikka> ? 13:11:46 <Yexo> fine with me :) 13:12:02 <Pikka> hmm 13:12:05 <Yexo> what is the "contact point" flag exactly? 13:12:18 <Pikka> I'm not sure what the canonical name is 13:12:32 <Pikka> a place where the aircraft arrives at the airport? 13:12:41 <Yexo> entry point is used in openttd code 13:12:49 <Pikka> right, entry point 13:12:56 <Yexo> but there can be multiple entry points per airport 13:13:05 <Yexo> 1 for each direction (ne/se/sw/nw) 13:13:21 <Yexo> so that shouldn't be a flag of a node, but rather a seperate array with node numbers 13:13:24 <Belugas> one for each direction? is it mandatory? 13:13:39 <Yexo> Belugas: yes, but multiple directions can have the same entry point 13:13:50 <Belugas> ok 13:13:56 <Yexo> see r17338 13:14:09 <Pikka> there, I changed that on the page 13:14:10 * Belugas will check 13:14:12 <Pikka> hmm @ each direction 13:14:48 <Pikka> I'd imagined that they'd just find the closest one, but... I guess one for each direction is doable :) 13:15:07 <Yexo> finding the closest can lead to very ugly turns 13:15:15 <Yexo> planes truning 180 degrees in midair is not nice 13:15:49 <Rubidium> ooh, J turns with a plane, that I'd like to see :) 13:16:20 <Pikka> hmm, but why would they do that? or more to the point, why would they be more likely to do that with "find the closest" than with directional ones? 13:16:43 <Yexo> right, that shouldn't matter indeed 13:16:57 <Yexo> so closest is fine then :) 13:17:08 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17346 /branches/0.7/ (18 files in 5 dirs): 13:17:08 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [0.7] -Backport from trunk: 13:17:08 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Document: how to manually install AIs 13:17:08 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: Memory leak when trying to bankrupt the local company, other minor improvements of bankruptcy (r17342, r17341, r17340) 13:17:08 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: Not all non-ASCII characters were entered with escapes in the About window (r17309) 13:17:08 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: [NoAI] AIRail::RemoveRailTrack returned ERR_PRECONDITION_ERROR for road/rail-crossings (r17307) 13:17:44 <Pikka> the nasty turning tends to happen as the aircraft leaves the statemachine of the previous airport... 13:18:36 <Yexo> indeed, maybe the statemachine can be given information on the next location so it can turn the plane nicely before letting it go 13:19:04 <Pikka> yep :) 13:19:15 <Pikka> that's what I was thinking :) 13:21:18 <Pikka> and/or aircraft not attached to a statemachine could be limited in how often they're allowed to turn... hmmm 13:23:40 <Pikka> hmmm 13:23:41 <Pikka> actually 13:23:43 <Yexo> I've updated http://users.tt-forums.net/pikka/wiki/index.php?title=Newgrf_Airports_Documentation#Action_0_Airports to reflect the current status 13:23:43 <Pikka> now I look at it 13:23:58 <Pikka> per-direction /might/ be better than "closest" 13:24:20 <Pikka> closest could lead to a lot of 90 degree turns in angle cases 13:25:18 <Pikka> hmm 13:26:45 <Pikka> I'm not sure those two new properties are necessary, but I guess they can't hurt. 13:27:31 <Yexo> a callback for that (can a plane land on this airport) is better, but this is simpler for now 13:27:41 <Pikka> well 13:27:57 <Pikka> "can a plane land at this airport" can already be done within the existing statemachine callback ;) 13:28:28 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17347 /branches/0.7/src/ (elrail.cpp rail_cmd.cpp): [0.7] -Fix (r17346): backport r16350 too as it fixes stuff a bug introduced by r16349, which was needed for the fix of r17307. 13:28:31 <Yexo> return value F? 13:28:40 <Yexo> or how can it be done with the current callback? 13:28:52 * Belugas resumes his certification with Toronto guy. MasterCard, now, all day 13:28:53 <Belugas> you hou 13:29:47 <Pikka> probably return value D, then F 13:30:17 <Yexo> but what would var 10/11 contain in that case? 13:30:33 <Yexo> ie how can the newgrf check "this is only a test, the aircraft doesn't enter right now"? 13:30:53 <Pikka> eh? 13:31:09 <Pikka> var 10 contains the id of the node, that's not altered by the callback 13:31:22 <Yexo> you can't give an aircraft an order to go to a heliport, because it can't land there 13:31:33 <Pikka> oh 13:31:36 <Yexo> but that means that at the time you give the order a check "can aircraft land at airport" has to be done 13:31:48 <Yexo> at that time no node / plan is known 13:32:20 <Yexo> and if it is possible, the callback shouldn't set blocks as reserved because the aircraft isn't there yet 13:32:22 <Pikka> well, I guess the heliport property could be used for that, but I'm really trying to abstract it 13:32:38 <Pikka> and eliminate the concept of 'heliport' vs 'airport' at all... 13:32:51 <Yexo> that's what I currently use that property for, but that's why I thought about a seperate callback for this 13:33:06 <Pikka> rather than disallowing giving the order, I've preferred giving a warning when the aircraft tries to land somewhere it can't 13:33:14 <Pikka> and simply making the aircraft skip to the next order 13:33:56 *** reldred [~reldred@115.131.205.180] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:34:04 <Yexo> for AIs to work with new airports they need to have this kind of information, if possible even before the airport is build 13:34:26 <Pikka> ahh... yes... 13:34:29 <Yexo> so even if giving the order is allowed, the information still needs to be available 13:36:03 <Pikka> maybe we just need an "ai safe" flag for airports... it's far from ideal, but it'd stop 'em building outlandish things they can't use properly 13:37:21 <Yexo> the problem with that is that a newgrf decides that all AIs can handle such an airport 13:37:39 <Pikka> and all aircraft and airports will still have the large/small flag to fall back on... 13:38:29 <Yexo> which isn't available to AIs currently 13:39:03 <Yexo> but all of this can easily be changed later, first I'm going to implement the callback 13:39:08 <Pikka> *nods* 13:40:49 *** stuffcorpse [~stuffcorp@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 13:42:19 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:42:41 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 13:44:11 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B9E0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:44:44 *** Zephyris [~Zephyris@cpc2-oxfd14-0-0-cust861.oxfd.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:49:37 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aeiz221.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 13:57:51 <Yexo> Pikka: as long as the callback returns 2 it should be called again every tick, right? 14:02:24 <Pikka> umm 14:03:17 <Yexo> and "throw the alert message..." should that open the error box with a custom message? 14:03:54 *** Zephyris [~Zephyris@cpc2-oxfd14-0-0-cust861.oxfd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 14:04:24 <Pikka> not necessarily every tick... 14:04:41 <Pikka> and... a pop-up message. like "train x is lost" 14:05:39 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r17348 /trunk/src/ (lang/english.txt misc_gui.cpp town_gui.cpp): -Fix: don't mix 'sort by' strings used for buttons and dropdowns 14:06:37 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r17349 /trunk/src/lang/ (50 files in 2 dirs): -Update (r17348): apply changes to other lang files 14:07:22 *** cipi97 [~cipik97@92.84.111.216] has left #openttd [] 14:14:15 <TrueBrain> @mode -q cipi97 14:14:18 *** mode/#openttd [-q cipi97!*@*] by DorpsGek 14:20:47 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r17350 /trunk/src/ (network/core/os_abstraction.h sdl.cpp): -Fix (r17336): broken compilation with mingw 14:24:17 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:24:45 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 14:29:34 <Pikka> later all! I'll try and get that grf finished soon, yexo. 14:29:35 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has quit [] 14:43:07 *** frosch123 [~frosch@89.15.214.166] has joined #openttd 14:53:38 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 14:54:28 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.36] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:55:35 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:00:08 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has joined #openttd 15:02:01 *** Yexo_ is now known as Yexo 15:05:11 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.36] has joined #openttd 15:06:38 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.169.168] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:13:01 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.169.168] has joined #openttd 15:15:28 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 15:18:42 <_ln> http://ck.kolivas.org/patches/bfs/bfs-faq.txt 15:24:30 *** Farden123 [jk3farden@lns-bzn-48f-81-56-247-196.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 15:31:05 *** Farden [jk3farden@lns-bzn-48f-81-56-247-196.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:37:08 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@102.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:38:10 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-69-100.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 15:40:05 *** Dreamxtreme [~chatzilla@93-97-81-59.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:47:24 *** Dreamxtreme_ [~chatzilla@93-97-81-59.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:47:24 *** Dreamxtreme [~chatzilla@93-97-81-59.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:47:29 *** Dreamxtreme_ is now known as Dreamxtreme 15:48:38 *** Doorslammer [~monarodoo@PIPP-p-203-54-229-25.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #openttd 16:09:22 <Dreamxtreme> hmm 16:09:40 <Dreamxtreme> how do i edit the dependencies 16:09:50 <Dreamxtreme> on bananas 16:10:59 <Yexo> go to "Manager", click "Edit", select new dependencies, click "Edit" 16:12:00 <TrueBrain> LOL! I just gave someone via a PM his 'last' friendly warning .. his reply: "I get PMs like this on every forum I visit..." .... 16:12:14 <Dreamxtreme> KIK 16:12:16 <Dreamxtreme> LOL 16:12:17 <Yexo> lol :) 16:12:19 <Dreamxtreme> even 16:12:42 <glx> TrueBrain: that's a nice someone ;) 16:13:14 <Yexo> was it reddog maybe? 16:13:53 <Dreamxtreme> i cant select any 16:13:54 <TrueBrain> Yexo: good guess ;) 16:14:01 <Dreamxtreme> dependencies 16:14:11 <Doorslammer> lol 16:14:16 <Dreamxtreme> nor do i see edit 16:14:44 <TrueBrain> oh, I see another moderator just picked up that report too ;) 16:14:49 <Yexo> first click on "Manager" 16:14:56 <Yexo> then you see a list of things you uploaded 16:14:56 <Dreamxtreme> yes do that 16:15:05 <Dreamxtreme> done 16:15:11 <Yexo> there is "Update", "Edit", etc. for every thing you've uploaded 16:15:13 * planetmaker wonders who reddog might have been. Probably I'm lucky that I don't recall :-) 16:15:39 <Yexo> made several annoying posts on the forum in the last few days 16:15:56 <TrueBrain> he is just a few days here :p 16:16:11 <Dreamxtreme> yes i clicked edit on my 0.4 16:16:39 <Yexo> now you should see a box "Dependencies", and an "Edit" button at the bottom of the window 16:17:43 <Dreamxtreme> nope 16:17:45 <Dreamxtreme> no edit 16:17:55 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has joined #openttd 16:18:00 <Yexo> maybe TrueBrain can help you 16:18:07 <Doorslammer> Any fine examples of the exemplary whingeing on forum? 16:18:13 <Doorslammer> I must have missed those 16:18:39 <Yexo> Doorslammer: http://www.tt-forums.net/search.php?author_id=31682&sr=posts 16:18:50 <Doorslammer> Cheers 16:19:03 <Doorslammer> Preparing to be entertained 16:19:27 <Doorslammer> Oh, THAT guy 16:19:32 <planetmaker> uh-oh-uh. I guess I saw some of those. 16:19:46 <planetmaker> They were caught by my internal spam filter, though ;-) 16:19:59 <planetmaker> see-ignore-see-ignore ;-) 16:20:29 <Dreamxtreme> lol 16:20:34 <Dreamxtreme> ok yexo thanks 16:20:39 <Doorslammer> Thats got to be a troll 16:20:41 <Dreamxtreme> TrueBrain: ! ? 16:20:43 *** Zephyris [~Zephyris@cpc2-oxfd14-0-0-cust861.oxfd.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:21:05 <Dreamxtreme> is Bananas fully Firefox compatible ? lol 16:21:09 <Doorslammer> His post on Generic Cars must be trollworthy material 16:21:25 <Yexo> Dreamxtreme: yes 16:21:30 <TrueBrain> Dreamxtreme: what 'type' are you uploading? 16:21:40 <Dreamxtreme> scenerio 16:21:46 <Dreamxtreme> well updating 16:21:47 <TrueBrain> a scenario can't depends on anything 16:21:52 <Dreamxtreme> o 16:22:00 <TrueBrain> -s 16:22:01 <planetmaker> he :-) 16:22:04 <Yexo> shouldn't a scenario depend on all used newgrfs? 16:22:09 <planetmaker> ^ 16:22:17 <TrueBrain> Yexo: nobody ever made a scenario which depended on a newgrf 16:22:27 <planetmaker> TrueBrain, that's, of course, wrong 16:22:33 <TrueBrain> I personally don't think that is the idea of a scenario, but okay 16:22:40 <Yexo> TrueBrain: I doubt that, basically every scenario that includes newgrfs depend on them 16:22:52 <TrueBrain> wouldn't OpenTTD just download them if available? 16:23:01 <Yexo> probably yes :) 16:23:07 <TrueBrain> so then I don't see any problem 16:23:14 <Yexo> me neither 16:23:20 <planetmaker> Though I am still not convinced that it is a good way, to have them hard-coded even with MD5 in a scenario. 16:23:22 <planetmaker> But yes 16:23:33 <planetmaker> But download, if available. Nice :-) 16:23:42 <Yexo> planetmaker: so what would be better? 16:23:57 <planetmaker> But having them as dependency, thus downloaded at the same time as the scenario, would be better 16:24:08 <planetmaker> Yexo, something which is not possible would be better: 16:24:19 <Dreamxtreme> so i cant stick newgrf in my scenario then 16:24:27 <planetmaker> a list of newgrfs where the latest version would be used when started as game 16:24:31 <Yexo> Dreamxtreme: you can do so without problems 16:24:54 <Yexo> ah yes :) 16:24:58 <planetmaker> Dreamxtreme, you can. But it makes sense to only use newgrfs which are readily available. 16:25:14 <Dreamxtreme> yes i only have 16:25:22 <planetmaker> And - honestly - vehicle newgrfs and station newgrfs are not really needed and can be added by the player. 16:25:37 <planetmaker> But adding them as designer might be intended and advantagous in some places, too. 16:25:41 <planetmaker> Just depends :-) 16:25:53 <Dreamxtreme> UK Roadset 1.1a 16:26:03 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: what if you have a newgrf which is not on BaNaNaS? 16:26:03 <planetmaker> on bananas? 16:26:09 <Dreamxtreme> UK Houses beta 0.2 16:26:14 *** Zephyris [~Zephyris@cpc2-oxfd14-0-0-cust861.oxfd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 16:26:15 <planetmaker> TrueBrain, screwed. And same behaviour as now. 16:26:24 <Dreamxtreme> Generic Cars 0.2 16:26:27 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e180224168.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 16:26:32 <planetmaker> No download. And you could still play it, if you get it manually. 16:26:41 <Dreamxtreme> yes there all on bananas 16:26:43 <planetmaker> It's just a usability improvement :-) 16:26:58 <planetmaker> s/screwed/bad luck 16:27:42 <planetmaker> TrueBrain, I'd categorize "download necessary newgrfs of a scenario" as a "very low" priority feature request :-) 16:27:45 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: what do you say? 16:28:02 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: well, adding the dep-tree is a matter of 1 table-entry-change 16:28:17 <planetmaker> :-) 16:32:03 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:32:09 <planetmaker> TrueBrain, but many "just a matter of 1 <whatever>" things start to eat time like no good, too, if stacked :-) 16:32:22 <planetmaker> but you know that probably at least as well as myself :-P 16:33:28 <Dreamxtreme> so then 16:34:13 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.161.12] has joined #openttd 16:34:52 <Dreamxtreme> its they doesnt depend on newgrfs then 16:35:44 *** Zephyris_ [~Zephyris@cpc2-oxfd14-0-0-cust861.oxfd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 16:36:41 <Dreamxtreme> shall i put something in the infos anyway ? 16:36:44 *** Zephyris [~Zephyris@cpc2-oxfd14-0-0-cust861.oxfd.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:36:51 <Dreamxtreme> it will come up with a error i think 16:36:56 *** Zephyris_ is now known as Zephyris 16:40:35 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.169.168] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:43:42 <planetmaker> Dreamxtreme, an info which mentions them, certainly doesn't hurt :-) 16:44:08 <Dreamxtreme> yes :D 16:44:41 <Dreamxtreme> well i might as well add some more places to the map at the same time for the 0.5 update 16:45:56 *** oskari89 [oskari89@212-149-207-211.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 16:48:52 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has quit [Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: , sources date: 20090115, built on: 2009/03/07 00:45:02 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/] 16:49:49 <_ln> is it wrong to say Natalie Portman is an actor? 16:49:50 <Dreamxtreme> someone name me some places to add in the UK for my map 16:50:15 <Doorslammer> London is quite useful 16:50:26 <_ln> Hull 16:50:30 <Doorslammer> Birmingham 16:50:39 <Dreamxtreme> added added added in 0.1 lol 16:50:49 <Dreamxtreme> most big places are already added 16:51:13 <Dreamxtreme> hmm 16:51:33 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has joined #openttd 16:52:41 <Prof_Frink> Dreamxtreme: Princetown 16:52:50 <Dreamxtreme> ooo 16:52:51 <Dreamxtreme> good 1 16:52:53 <Dreamxtreme> :D 16:53:13 <Dreamxtreme> ive neglected devon and cornwall a bit 16:53:26 <Prof_Frink> Hathersage. Ambleside. Betws-y-Coed. 16:53:39 <Dreamxtreme> Hathersage ftw! 16:53:45 <Dreamxtreme> went to 16:53:55 <Dreamxtreme> Edale on thursday to 16:54:12 <planetmaker> Inverness 16:54:17 <planetmaker> Invercargil 16:54:38 <planetmaker> and - of course - Loch Ness :-P 16:54:53 * Prof_Frink is going to Hathersage in a couple of weeks 16:56:05 <Dreamxtreme> nope 16:56:09 <Dreamxtreme> no scotland planetmaker 16:56:16 <Dreamxtreme> hightmap didnt have it 16:56:17 <Doorslammer> Hes neglected Scotland 16:56:22 <Doorslammer> Therefore is evil 16:56:28 <Dreamxtreme> its too big to fit in 16:56:31 <Dreamxtreme> lol 16:56:39 <planetmaker> so not UK :-) 16:56:42 <_ln> is there an englishman here to answer my earlier question? 16:57:09 <Prof_Frink> _ln: Depends if she's had a sex change. 16:57:31 <Dreamxtreme> no 16:57:36 <Dreamxtreme> England & Wales 16:58:18 *** KritiK_ [~Maxim@78-106-153-3.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 16:58:19 <_ln> Prof_Frink: yeah, i hope not. but what about: is it wrong to say Natalie Portman and Bruce Willis are actors? 16:59:26 <Dreamxtreme> ok 16:59:34 <Dreamxtreme> adding Hathersage now 17:00:50 <glx> _ln: the second version is correct 17:02:47 <_ln> glx: that's what i assume too, and my actual point is whether the rules are exactly the same as with pronouns in Romance languages. 17:02:55 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-69-100.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:02:58 *** KritiK_ is now known as KritiK 17:04:55 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 17:05:27 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: don't care? (had a nicer dinner though) 17:05:47 <_ln> i.e. one male in a group of females means that masculine pronouns are used about the group. 17:07:53 <Doorslammer> ^ It also means he's one lucky bloke 17:08:07 <_ln> sure 17:09:04 <Doorslammer> If he plays his cards right, he's in there 17:10:56 *** Gold24 [gold24@prometheus.24gold.dk] has left #openttd [] 17:10:57 <_ln> And if not, he can still play OTTD. 17:18:32 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Quit: Quit] 17:21:27 *** Doorslammer [~monarodoo@PIPP-p-203-54-229-25.prem.tmns.net.au] has quit [Quit: I'll get you next episode, Inspector Gadget! NEXT EPISODE!] 17:22:00 *** Farden [jk3farden@lns-bzn-48f-81-56-247-196.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 17:22:06 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 17:23:18 *** KritiK_ [~Maxim@78-106-153-19.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 17:23:34 <planetmaker> Is there a preferred way to write a file in OpenTTD? I'm looking for a way to write properly a crash.log 17:23:37 <planetmaker> The win32 implementation uses some windows specific stuff in order to do that. 17:23:39 <planetmaker> But I guess a simple fprintf to a file will also do under windows... 17:23:42 <planetmaker> any thoughts on that? 17:24:11 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-98-249-11-38.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 17:24:14 <planetmaker> I tried to locate the actual fileio for the settings file... but not sure I've located it properly... 17:24:59 <planetmaker> at least I didn't find it in the savload files nor in the settings* 17:25:12 <planetmaker> (or I simply missed it - quite likely :-P) 17:28:47 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has left #openttd [] 17:28:54 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-153-3.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:28:57 *** Farden123 [jk3farden@lns-bzn-48f-81-56-247-196.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:28:59 *** KritiK_ is now known as KritiK 17:29:11 *** Farden_ [jk3farden@lns-bzn-48f-81-56-247-196.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 17:30:06 <TrueBrain> Rubidium / Yexo / planetmaker: so I have 3 don't cares and 1 person who thinks it is a good idea .. doesn't help :p 17:30:26 <TrueBrain> so I guess we leave it unchanged for now :) 17:30:34 <planetmaker> :-) 17:31:28 <planetmaker> quite fair enough 17:32:30 *** Farden [jk3farden@lns-bzn-48f-81-56-247-196.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:35:09 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: probably the better solution would be actually reading the scenario and determine the used NewGRFs from that; lots safer than someone manually selecting NewGRFs (especially when there are lots of versions of NewGRFs) 17:35:23 <Rubidium> or older versions which are (not?) shown 17:35:52 <Ammler> and maybe warn the uploader about missing grfs. 17:36:17 <Ammler> TrueBrain: orudge might help you there ;-) 17:36:43 <Rubidium> that's not something the uploader can fix :( 17:37:08 <Ammler> but he could then think about, if he removes that grf or upload it anyway. 17:37:28 <Rubidium> although, one might keep a list of newgrfs around so if a missing NewGRF is added later it's automatically made a dependency of the already uploaded scenarios that use it 17:38:17 <Rubidium> although the same might be useful for AIs (automagically selecting the right libraries) 17:38:44 <Yexo> for AIs it's (next to) impossible 17:39:24 <Yexo> it's doable to make some guesses, but a complete list is actually impossible 17:39:50 <Yexo> Ais can include libraries at runtime 17:40:19 <Yexo> they can probably even catch the error of "Library not available" and try another version 17:40:55 <Rubidium> Yexo: you mean there will be (sane) AIs that at run time construct the name+version of the AI library they want to use? 17:41:29 <Yexo> no sane Ais :) 17:43:12 <planetmaker> next stage of AdmiralAI: test available PF lib version: 3=rudimentary, 4=ok, 5=good path finding :-) 17:43:43 <Yexo> lol :) 17:44:11 <Yexo> (I've included a custom version of both the road and the rail pathfinder in admiralai, so no library is loaded for that at all) 17:44:32 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@78.51.50.228] has joined #openttd 17:45:38 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r17351 /trunk/src/lang/ (6 files): (log message trimmed) 17:45:38 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:38 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: simplified_chinese - 24 changes by yuanmin 17:45:38 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: czech - 118 changes by SmatZ 17:45:38 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: dutch - 2 changes by Yexo 17:45:40 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: french - 2 changes by glx 17:45:40 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: russian - 1 changes by Lone_Wolf 17:47:14 <planetmaker> hehe :-) then those issues don't occur, I guess 17:48:33 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e180224168.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:50:55 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051152006.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 17:53:25 *** bb10 [~nn@dhcp-077-248-075-030.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 17:54:44 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: I wonder if the ingame client can handle if you give a dep on a non-published (so older) grf 17:55:03 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i'm afraid i'm slowly losing my mind 17:55:12 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@78.51.50.228] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:55:15 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: join the club 17:55:19 <TrueBrain> any reason you feel sharing? 17:55:21 <Eddi|zuHause> in one moment, i have an object in my hands, and the next moment, it is nowhere to find 17:55:30 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9C97.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:55:37 <TrueBrain> hmm ... quantum mechanics at work, I say 17:55:47 <Belugas> welcome to the twilight zone 17:55:51 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: the in game client handles non-latest deps fine 17:56:05 <Eddi|zuHause> then i have object A and look for object B, and when i have found object B, object A is gone 17:56:08 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: k 17:56:12 <_ln> Eddi|zuHause: that's what video surveillance at home is for. 17:56:13 <Rubidium> just start openttd, go to the content thingy and see the multiple aviation newgrfs 17:56:22 <Eddi|zuHause> but it can't possibly have left my desk. 17:56:37 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: "kabourtjes" .. sorry, fail to translate 17:56:37 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:56:39 <TrueBrain> haha 17:56:43 <TrueBrain> kaboutertjes 17:56:46 <TrueBrain> I can't even write 17:56:48 * TrueBrain goes to bed 17:57:03 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, i know what you mean 17:57:09 <TrueBrain> I thought you would :) 17:57:17 <Dreamxtreme> hehehe 17:57:24 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 17:58:35 <Dreamxtreme> right all done 17:58:51 <Dreamxtreme> any other last min places to add to 0.5 beta England & Wales 17:59:33 <_ln> do you have that... welsh village that has a ridiculously long name 18:00:41 <Dreamxtreme> not sure it will fit 18:00:45 <Eddi|zuHause> _ln: i once thought about adding beepers or gps senders to the objects i frequently misplace, but there are too many of these 18:03:38 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm110.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: faget] 18:04:45 <Prof_Frink> Dreamxtreme: Just go with "Llanfair PG" 18:05:07 <Prof_Frink> Dreamxtreme: Wimborne Minster 18:05:53 <Eddi|zuHause> i thought the welsh town name set had it 18:07:58 <Prof_Frink> If not... file a bug. FS#324235: Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch has a silly name. 18:09:14 <Eddi|zuHause> it will be closed with "this name only ever occures by copy-pasting, it has be decided copy-paste is an unwanted feature" 18:10:04 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... anybody got a third hand for me? 18:11:47 <FauxFaux> o/ 18:12:53 <Dreamxtreme> wimborne Minster FTW! 18:13:16 <Dreamxtreme> how come copy and paste dont work 18:13:24 <Dreamxtreme> hmm i'll try adding it now 18:13:28 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9C97.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:14:58 <Prof_Frink> Dreamxtreme: Built it quickly, I'm heading there in a couple of minutes. 18:15:09 <Dreamxtreme> LOL 18:15:15 <Dreamxtreme> ok 18:15:26 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:15:27 <Dreamxtreme> hmm 18:15:32 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 18:15:34 <Dreamxtreme> i cant find Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch on google maps 18:16:06 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 18:17:19 <Dreamxtreme> nope 18:17:21 <Dreamxtreme> bug 18:17:26 <Dreamxtreme> BUG BUG!!! 18:18:00 <Dreamxtreme> only fits Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgo 18:21:21 <Dreamxtreme> right added Wimborne 18:22:01 <_ln> here's a map: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Llanfairpwllgwyngyll 18:22:38 <_ln> since it appears to have a short form, probably best use that until BUG BUG is fixed 18:23:12 <Dreamxtreme> lol 18:23:14 <Dreamxtreme> true 18:23:30 <Dreamxtreme> but to be fair 18:23:35 <Dreamxtreme> it really doesnt matter 18:23:43 <Dreamxtreme> since it really has no population 18:23:46 <TrueBrain> Dreamxtreme: this is a bug .. how? :) 18:23:56 <TrueBrain> a limitation rareyl is a bug :) 18:24:05 <TrueBrain> the fact your car can't drive 1000 km/h is not a bug, I say :) 18:24:10 <_ln> Dreamxtreme: and it won't have population if you don't give them a chance 18:24:13 <Dreamxtreme> it is a limit 18:24:45 <Dreamxtreme> its a character limit bug 18:24:55 <_ln> TrueBrain: it is what Scott Meyers calls The Keyhole Problem. 18:28:20 <TrueBrain> Dreamxtreme: how is it a bug? :p 18:28:26 <TrueBrain> a bug assumes an unwanted feature ;) 18:28:33 <TrueBrain> so, as we all say it: it is not a bug, it is a feature! 18:28:42 *** Lovheim [~Lovheim@153.84-49-246.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 18:28:44 <Lovheim> Hello 18:28:49 <Dreamxtreme> lol 18:28:53 <Lovheim> May I drop a fast question? 18:28:54 <Dreamxtreme> epic fail 18:28:57 <TrueBrain> hello Lovheim 18:29:00 <TrueBrain> no, only slow ones 18:29:01 <Yexo> hello Lovheim 18:29:03 <TrueBrain> we hate fast questions 18:29:05 <TrueBrain> :) 18:29:08 <Lovheim> Hahhah ok, ill drop a slow one 18:29:11 <TrueBrain> Lovheim: never ask to ask a question, just ask the question 18:29:11 <_ln> yeah 250 km/h max. 18:29:16 <Dreamxtreme> that sounds wrong 18:29:38 <Lovheim> Im fairly old player of OpenTDD, but i've recently tried to experiment with all these addons and changed and such 18:30:01 <Lovheim> Then I installed 072 yesterday, which is the current version of OTDD, then I wonder how to unstinstall AI's 18:30:09 <Lovheim> I managed to install an AI which does not work. 18:30:22 <TrueBrain> the game is OpenTTD / OTTD ;) Just for the record :) 18:30:24 <TrueBrain> which OS? 18:30:32 <Yexo> the Ais are downloaded to My Documents/OpenTTD/content_download/ai/ 18:30:33 <Lovheim> win32 18:30:39 <Yexo> just remove the relevant tar from there 18:30:40 <TrueBrain> then what Yexo says ;) 18:30:44 <Lovheim> AH! I see 18:30:48 <Lovheim> Because I found the .tar files 18:30:52 <Yexo> and don't forget to restart the game after that 18:31:07 <Lovheim> Ok nice! So the .tar files are the actual files 18:31:16 <frosch123> but isn't just selecting different ones in the main menu enough? 18:31:19 <Lovheim> Thought it worked like a %temp% 18:31:29 <Yexo> the tar files are archives with all the AI codein it 18:31:36 <Yexo> you can extract them and change the Ais ifyou want 18:31:37 <Lovheim> Yeah, but I want to use the "random" system 18:31:51 <Yexo> frosch123: yes, but not with random AIs 18:32:04 <Lovheim> I like to get suprised if a noob company starts or a pro one 18:32:13 <Lovheim> Hehe 18:32:26 <Lovheim> Thanks alot guys :) 18:33:10 <TrueBrain> you are very welcome :) 18:33:32 <Dreamxtreme> right then 18:33:33 <TrueBrain> I wish all users were like this .. clear question, polite form of communication .. 18:33:39 <Dreamxtreme> fix the bug then LOL 18:33:55 <TrueBrain> Dreamxtreme: it is not a bug!!! it is a feature!!! Sigh ... :p 18:34:11 *** Zephyris [~Zephyris@cpc2-oxfd14-0-0-cust861.oxfd.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.2/20090729225027]] 18:34:15 <Dreamxtreme> a feature that limits characters 18:34:17 <Dreamxtreme> really! 18:34:19 <Rubidium> ploink 18:34:19 <TrueBrain> yes 18:34:25 <Dreamxtreme> epic fail 18:34:38 <TrueBrain> if you consider that epic fail, I tihnk you should stop using any OS :) 18:34:41 <TrueBrain> or a computer 18:34:43 <Dreamxtreme> it couldnt even do half of it 18:34:45 <TrueBrain> as they are full of those 'epic fails' 18:35:13 <Dreamxtreme> i know that 18:35:15 <Dreamxtreme> i use windows 18:35:18 <Dreamxtreme> anyway 18:35:22 <Dreamxtreme> KFC back in 10 18:35:31 <TrueBrain> well, you see, if we increase the characeter limit, all tables have to be moved to the right with one, creating a binary of twice the size. We don't want that, so we kept it with this limit. 18:35:39 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17352 /trunk/src/train_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#3162]: trains wouldn't show smoke if the load/unload counter wasn't 0, though there doesn't seem to be a reason to check that variable anyhow anymore 18:36:02 <Lovheim> Oh, if I may interrupt yet again. Anyone have any good recommendation for an AI? 18:36:16 <Lovheim> For the 0.7.2 that is. 18:36:26 <Yexo> that really depends on what kind of AI you want 18:36:38 <frosch123> what kind of ai, a hard competitive one, or other goals? 18:36:47 <Yexo> do you want one that has the most profit, one that uses some transport mode? 18:37:19 <frosch123> or one that just build some stuff to make the map look busy 18:37:26 <Lovheim> Hm, a hard competitive one. I usually use Airplanes. So im getting so fast cash. I need an AI that focus on trains and ect but builds fast and is earning like Jessica alba would do as a hooker :D 18:37:40 <Yexo> in that case try NoCab 18:37:52 <Yexo> it doesn't use trains, but it makes a lot of money uses planes/trucks/busses 18:37:59 <Yexo> oh, and ships 18:38:03 <TrueBrain> hmmm ... Jessica Alba ... hmm .. 18:38:04 <Lovheim> Oh oki, I have it. I'll be sure to add it! 18:38:37 <Lovheim> Thanks! =) 18:38:47 <Lovheim> Btw. Have you guys tried the infrastrucute sharing thing? 18:38:57 <Yexo> there are some topics in the forum with comparisons, like this one: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=65&t=44523 18:39:03 <Lovheim> Thanks 18:39:15 <Yexo> I tried it some time ago, but not recently 18:39:27 <planetmaker> Lovheim: don't be shy of AdmiralAI either 18:39:29 <planetmaker> Lovheim: yes, I did... 18:39:43 <Lovheim> Haha oki, ill get AdminalAI too. 18:39:48 <Lovheim> Is it good planetmaker? 18:39:54 <Lovheim> Is it worth it, or should I be waiting? 18:40:03 <planetmaker> You shouldn't ask me, if you want a neutral answer 18:40:11 <Lovheim> Haha, I want your opinion. 18:40:12 <planetmaker> In my opinion it's quite decent 18:40:26 <Lovheim> Not bugging and working properly? 18:40:29 <Yexo> in money-making it can't beat NoCab, but it does support trains (but no ships) 18:40:45 <Yexo> but then my oppinion is even more biased than planetmakers ;) 18:40:46 <planetmaker> Lovheim: go and test it and report bugs. 18:40:51 <planetmaker> It certainly needs play-testing 18:41:03 <Lovheim> I wanted to try it, but didn't understand how to install it. haha 18:41:05 <planetmaker> hehe @ Yexo 18:41:13 <Lovheim> Sometimes I feel like a noob on waterskies ^^ 18:41:22 <Rubidium> gheheh... don't ever expect a neutral answer 18:41:22 <Rubidium> although, maybe "try it yourself" is a neutral answer, but not a real answer to your question 18:41:23 <planetmaker> Lovheim: just download the binaries into a new dir and start it 18:41:49 <Lovheim> Oh, no special name for the dir? 18:41:56 <Yexo> no 18:42:11 <planetmaker> http://mz.openttdcoop.org/is2/bundles/IS2.0-beta3/ 18:42:15 <Lovheim> Oh, thats amazing. I really have to say OpenTTD team has really made a good job programming. 18:42:21 <planetmaker> Lovheim: no need to overwrite anything 18:42:45 <planetmaker> I have like.... 20 different OpenTTDs here 18:43:00 <Lovheim> Hehe, which is your fav? The original? 18:43:16 <planetmaker> Mind that you don't complain about the IS binaries to the devs. 18:43:22 <planetmaker> Complain to me or Hirundo 18:43:39 <Lovheim> Haha, I never complain on stuff that's free =) 18:43:54 <planetmaker> Bug reports then, if you prefer that way :-) 18:44:01 <planetmaker> which would actually be very welcome 18:44:02 <Belugas> if everyone was as wise as you... 18:44:11 <Lovheim> Hah 18:44:51 <Lovheim> But im really hoping that there will be a newGFX for "booths" - which will give me money everytime a competitor go trought it with a vehicle. 18:44:55 <planetmaker> but mostly I play plain OpenTTD 18:45:09 <planetmaker> I cannot be arsed to deal with incompatible savegames. 18:45:15 <Lovheim> I am so damn annoyed that they fill up my nicely built roads with 200x cars. Hahaha - and I get nothing for it. 18:45:25 <planetmaker> hahah :-) 18:45:31 <planetmaker> then you shouldn't try nocab :-P 18:45:38 <planetmaker> they'll use 10 times as many cars 18:45:42 <Rubidium> planetmaker: only 20? :) 18:45:50 <planetmaker> Rubidium: I didn't count 18:45:53 <planetmaker> just guestimate 18:46:04 <planetmaker> but I don't keep a repo for every patch. 18:46:07 <Lovheim> Hah, but thats the thing. I love it when there is alot of cars and well built roads which makes the city look alive. 18:46:07 * Rubidium easily reaches that if he doesn't count the checkouts for binaries that I can't run (like OSX) 18:46:13 <planetmaker> Just a diff and save that 18:46:38 <Rubidium> or the checkouts in VMs (like for MSVC) 18:47:01 <Lovheim> Where may I post suggestions, i'll post a "Checkpoint structure" that may be built on your own road. So when competitors go trought, they pay me like a minimal charge of what they are carrying. 18:47:07 <planetmaker> just like.... is2, newgrfgui, stationgui, clientpatches, regions, airports, h2h, 5+ testing things, wwottdgd,... 18:47:37 <Yexo> Lovheim: on the forums, but don't expect anything to happen with that suggestion 18:48:08 <Lovheim> Ahh thats too sad. But I'll give it a try later on, might be someone out there that feel the same way. haha 18:48:13 <planetmaker> fontselection, 0.7.x, heightlevel, devserver's one, public server's one, 18:48:48 <Belugas> Lovheim, thing is, money is not a real problem after a while. so i'm not ure it would really motivate anyone 18:48:59 <planetmaker> hm... gamecreation=river generation 18:49:08 <Belugas> plus, one might argue that there is no REAL waypoints for trucks 18:49:22 <Lovheim> I understand 18:49:30 <Belugas> therefor, you cannot NORMALLY force your trucks away from the pay zone 18:50:06 <Lovheim> Would be cool tho, then you could make pay zone for a big price and therefor force your competitors to not use the road if NOT necesarry 18:50:26 <Lovheim> And in that way my cool road-network would be mainly expensive to use. 18:50:32 <planetmaker> Lovheim: that won't even work for IS2 patch 18:51:13 <Lovheim> I understand, im just playing with the thought. hehe :) 18:51:26 <Belugas> what if a competitor connects to your road in mid-point? and exit before your toll point? 18:51:35 <planetmaker> :-) 18:51:41 <planetmaker> I would do exactly that :-P 18:51:49 <Belugas> hehehe 18:51:58 <Lovheim> Nono 18:51:58 <planetmaker> a road around it 18:51:59 * Belugas hugs planetmaker 18:52:06 <Lovheim> Im thinking about just 1sqm structure 18:52:13 <planetmaker> exactly 18:52:16 <Lovheim> that everytime someone go trought they will pay 18:52:20 <planetmaker> and I would build a road around your road block 18:52:40 <planetmaker> so there's a free path and a path with a toll booth. 18:52:46 <Lovheim> AH 18:52:48 <Lovheim> I see 18:52:51 <Lovheim> I never thought of that 18:52:53 <Lovheim> Haha 18:52:56 <_ln> Lovheim: btw, http://www.apostrophe.org.uk/ 18:52:58 <planetmaker> given a path finder certainly will put a penalty on a toll booth, cars will take the clear route 18:53:38 <Lovheim> Yeah, I didnt think so far. 18:54:12 <Lovheim> What's that site _1n? 18:54:21 *** Farden [jk3farden@lns-bzn-48f-81-56-247-196.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 18:54:35 <planetmaker> hehe. A hint that you drop too many "'" 18:54:40 <Belugas> a subtle notice that maybe you made some errors on your english 18:54:54 <Belugas> ln is a freak sometimes 18:54:59 <Lovheim> Oh, im sorry if he was unable to understand my English ^^ 18:55:11 <Lovheim> Im Norwegian, dont speak this much English 18:55:30 <planetmaker> :-) The hint mainly aimed at "Im" --> "I'm" 18:56:23 <Lovheim> echo 'Ok, i\'ll speak like this the rest of my life. Then he will have enought of them'; 18:56:27 <planetmaker> don't be put off. You don't talk leet-speak. That's ugly and not readable - especially by not by non-native speakers 18:56:37 <Lovheim> Hah =D 18:57:26 <Lovheim> Oki, well I have to run along. Thanks for replying guys! Been a pleasure speaking with you! 18:57:44 <blathijs> especially by not by non-native speakers <-- You mean people who don't have leet-speak as their primary language? 18:57:46 <Rubidium> is he flaming people again for not writing perfect English when he himself doesn't write perfect English either? 18:58:27 <_ln> who? 19:00:29 *** oskari89 [oskari89@212-149-207-211.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Utm Aœ - Aja 35] 19:00:59 <Lovheim> Ok, well I am going brb. Thanks everyone yet again. I will try your AI Yexo :D 19:01:55 <_ln> clearly he cannot be talking about me, as 1) giving one url is hardly 'flaming'. 19:02:19 *** Farden_ [jk3farden@lns-bzn-48f-81-56-247-196.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:02:27 * Yexo wonders how long till _ln notices 19:03:35 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@client-82-28-7-22.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 19:03:55 <planetmaker> enjoy the game, Lovheim :-) 19:04:10 <Rubidium> Yexo: probably till he ain't on the list anymore 19:04:45 <planetmaker> wasn't really bad this time, Rubidium :-) 19:05:15 <planetmaker> that link was appropriate. 19:05:45 <planetmaker> though one could have done without the hint, too. :-x 19:08:18 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-168-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:18:54 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r17353 /trunk/src/music_gui.cpp: -Codechange: make sure the shuffle and programme buttons in the music window are always the same size 19:19:10 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: does that kind of thing actually ever happen? 19:20:19 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@client-82-28-7-22.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:29:29 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17354 /trunk/src/subsidy_gui.cpp: -Codechange: make the subsidy gui nested 19:30:44 <PeterT> rubidium, what do you mean 'nested' 19:32:25 <Xaroth> Take a look at the changes? 19:32:31 <Xaroth> should be pretty easy to spot, no? 19:32:55 <PeterT> hold on. let me update 19:33:28 <Alberth> PeterT: if you trust me enough: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=42222 19:33:41 <PeterT> tt forums is ok 19:33:54 <Alberth> yeah, but the PDF file? ;) 19:35:27 <PeterT> why? 19:35:38 <PeterT> are pdf files dangerous? 19:36:13 <Yexo> are exe files dangerous? 19:37:20 <PeterT> depends 19:37:29 <PeterT> if you download them from openttd.org, no 19:37:33 <Xaroth> hah 19:37:42 <Rubidium> Yexo: ofcourse not (if you don't execute them at least) 19:37:54 <Xaroth> Rubidium: and are not on windows :P 19:38:00 <PeterT> unless rubidium and yexo are out to get us (and smatz, and tb) 19:38:04 <Yexo> Rubidium: I was trying to make PeterT think about his own question 19:38:45 <PeterT> yexo, you mis-understood me 19:38:47 <planetmaker> PeterT: it's a save bet, they are :-P 19:39:01 <Yexo> PeterT: I certainly did not 19:39:10 <PeterT> alberth asked me if i trusted him on the pdf file 19:39:49 <PeterT> ok, im sorry what i should was: "why? am i supposed to be cautious about pdf files?" 19:39:58 <PeterT> *should've said 19:40:04 <Ammler> openttd.exe is a virus! 19:40:13 <Xaroth> because pdf files can contain virus. 19:40:21 <PeterT> really? 19:40:22 <PeterT> wow 19:40:40 <Ammler> at least, it affected me :-) 19:40:40 <planetmaker> as do xls, doc, ppt files 19:41:06 <PeterT> ha! doc files 19:41:06 <planetmaker> and pif and exe and ... scr ... many, many 19:41:13 <planetmaker> no shit. 19:41:14 <PeterT> cpp? 19:41:51 <Alberth> PeterT: if you use syntax highlighting, you execute code based on the contents of untrusted source :p 19:41:51 <Xaroth> all office document formats have the capability to contain objects 19:41:52 <PeterT> im off for school work 19:42:02 <PeterT> bye all 19:42:04 <Xaroth> those objects can contain virus, so as such, the doc does 19:42:07 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-168-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Goodbye] 19:42:08 <Akoz> bb 19:42:14 <Xaroth> finally. 19:42:54 <Ammler> this blog comment spambot is quite stupid. 19:43:22 <Eddi|zuHause> when were bots ever not stupid? 19:43:35 <Ammler> ups, wrong channel :-) 19:43:56 <Ammler> well, it alwys does comment the same post. 19:44:04 <KenjiE20> Eddi; when we welcome our robotic overlords 19:44:12 <Eddi|zuHause> conclusion: Ammler is stupid => Ammler is a bot. 19:44:31 <Ammler> don't need to be a bot. 19:44:39 <Alberth> ah, you want this 79KB package? ok, let me in stall this 70MB for you :p 19:44:51 <Alberth> *install 19:46:55 <Dreamxtreme> and i told her the last time i dont have herpes 19:47:01 <Dreamxtreme> oops 19:47:04 <Dreamxtreme> wrong chan 19:47:22 <Dreamxtreme> lol 19:47:33 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-168-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:47:47 <Dreamxtreme> epic fail 19:47:53 <Dreamxtreme> much like that bug 19:47:57 <planetmaker> indeed :-P 19:48:09 <Dreamxtreme> LOL 19:53:03 <Eddi|zuHause> which petition do i have to sign to get a useful ignore feature in the forums? 19:54:31 <Dreamxtreme> lol 19:55:32 <Eddi|zuHause> any person with >50% lines consisting of "lol" is on the best path to get there, too. 19:55:37 *** williham [~wito@25.244.251.212.customer.cdi.no] has joined #openttd 19:56:07 <Belugas> oh... i can kick, but i can't give you the power to... 19:56:13 <Belugas> can't won't 19:57:21 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: forum or IRC? 19:58:09 <Eddi|zuHause> well, the ignore feature on IRC is sufficient 19:59:00 * fjb has a build in ignore feature. 19:59:51 <TrueBrain> Reddog really really doesn't get it .. he will receive his 3 warnings by the end of the week ... 20:00:22 <Eddi|zuHause> fjb: sadly, i don't. 20:01:11 <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.qdb.us/299533 (related to the topic) 20:01:34 *** [wito] [~wito@25.244.251.212.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:01:43 <TrueBrain> lol :) That is funny Eddi|zuHause ;) 20:02:17 <TrueBrain> the latest xbcd is VERY cool :) 20:02:32 <Dreamxtreme> not like XBMC 20:02:58 <Dreamxtreme> o ok 20:03:00 <Dreamxtreme> lol 20:04:48 <Dreamxtreme> right 20:04:56 <Dreamxtreme> no more lols from me 20:04:59 <Dreamxtreme> heh 20:05:19 <TrueBrain> I wrote that down. 20:05:56 <Dreamxtreme> ok 20:06:05 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9C97.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:06:24 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17355 /trunk/src/subsidy_gui.cpp: -Codechange: determine the minimum size of the subsidy gui based on (some) of the content 20:07:30 <Dreamxtreme> now thats a fail 20:07:42 <Dreamxtreme> although might not be of the epic kind 20:07:50 <Belugas> well... unless you're completely stoned or drunk, or if a lot of jokes would be layed dowm, you don't need to "lol" that much, it's... useless... is it? 20:08:02 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:08:06 <Dreamxtreme> yes 20:08:09 <TrueBrain> Belugas: one might think 20:08:10 <Dreamxtreme> i now i lol too much 20:08:13 <TrueBrain> Belugas: but people are CARZY you know 20:08:16 *** Dreamxtreme was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [[22:04] <Dreamxtreme> no more lols from me] 20:08:16 *** Dreamxtreme [~chatzilla@93-97-81-59.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:08:17 <Belugas> like... what sos it express? that you're laughing out loud. to what? who knows... 20:08:18 <Dreamxtreme> know even 20:08:25 <Belugas> indeed TrueBrain ;) 20:08:26 <Dreamxtreme> oi 20:08:31 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:08:35 <Dreamxtreme> that was in context 20:08:41 <Dreamxtreme> YOU (Dreamxtreme) have been booted from #openttd by DorpsGek ([22:04] <Dreamxtreme> no more lols from me) 20:08:57 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!~chatzilla@93-97-81-59.zone5.bethere.co.uk] by DorpsGek 20:08:57 *** Dreamxtreme was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [[22:04] <Dreamxtreme> no more lols from me] 20:09:02 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 20:09:14 <TrueBrain> Belugas: now this is a situation on which I say: lol :) 20:09:36 <Belugas> yeah :D 20:09:58 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!~chatzilla@93-97-81-59.zone5.bethere.co.uk] by DorpsGek 20:10:09 <welshdragon> TrueBrain stop kicking innocent people 20:10:16 <TrueBrain> welshdragon: innocent? 20:10:26 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051152006.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 20:10:29 <TrueBrain> he promised he wouldn't say that word! And he did! Twice! 20:10:39 <welshdragon> he's from York 20:10:46 <TrueBrain> and that makes it okay .. how? 20:10:47 *** Dreamxtreme [~chatzilla@93-97-81-59.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:10:54 <Dreamxtreme> omg 20:11:01 <Belugas> they are all stoned over there, welshdragon? 20:11:04 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 20:11:37 <welshdragon> Belugas: they lolololololololololololol a lot 20:11:57 <Dreamxtreme> i cant lo'l' anymore 20:12:01 <PeterT> they must be happy people 20:12:11 <Dreamxtreme> clearly 20:12:44 <Eddi|zuHause> i have a suggestion: if you feel the urge to lol, rofl instead 20:13:07 <Dreamxtreme> true 20:13:10 <PeterT> does any op here actually have an IRC with a kick/ban/unban GUI? 20:13:13 * welshdragon rofl's all over Eddi|zuHause 20:13:20 <Eddi|zuHause> if you feel that is an overreaction, put a smilie 20:13:28 <PeterT> welshdragon: hehe 20:13:40 <Belugas> #EVERYBODY MUST GET STONED 20:13:52 <Belugas> he.. not me who said that... Bob Dylan! 20:13:56 <welshdragon> srsly: LERN2LIGHTENUP :P 20:14:18 <Eddi|zuHause> PeterT: a) rephrase that to "an IRC with a [...] GUI", b) why does that matter? 20:14:34 <Dreamxtreme> ok 20:14:38 <Dreamxtreme> who stole the remote 20:14:45 <Eddi|zuHause> i did 20:14:50 <Dreamxtreme> :P 20:14:56 <PeterT> Eddi|zuHause, because it matters. 20:14:59 <Eddi|zuHause> i just misplaced it again 20:15:08 <Eddi|zuHause> like i do with remotes all the time 20:15:10 <TrueBrain> Kindergarten 20:15:17 <Eddi|zuHause> including my mouse and my keyboard 20:15:24 <Dreamxtreme> :O 20:15:37 <Eddi|zuHause> and anything else in my room that does not have a wire 20:15:47 <Eddi|zuHause> and wires 20:16:03 <Eddi|zuHause> and occasionally wires which are connected to something 20:16:25 <Dreamxtreme> ok 20:16:27 *** Kaas [~Stefan@88.159.121.35] has joined #openttd 20:16:29 <Dreamxtreme> give it back then 20:16:45 <Eddi|zuHause> no. i never give away anything that is mine. 20:16:57 <Dreamxtreme> seriously i cant find it 20:17:04 <Dreamxtreme> but its mine though 20:17:13 <Dreamxtreme> :'( 20:17:21 <Kaas> hey guys. i've got a question.. Im in a TTD game thats in year 1992, but i still dont have electric trains. planes and cars do develop though 20:17:34 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aeiz221.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 20:17:46 <Yexo> Kaas: did you build an electric depot? 20:17:52 <Yexo> also, what climate are you playing? 20:17:53 <Belugas> which climate? 20:17:55 <PeterT> are you in artic? 20:17:59 <PeterT> or tropical? 20:18:01 <Kaas> there is also a button that says: disable electic trains, but thats also unchecken 20:18:11 <PeterT> climate please 20:18:12 <Kaas> Desert 20:18:18 <Belugas> there you go 20:18:21 <Yexo> there are no electric trains in desert 20:18:22 <Kaas> newest train is tina turbo 20:18:24 <Belugas> not available 20:18:27 <Kaas> really? 20:18:32 <Eddi|zuHause> yes. 20:18:38 <Kaas> are there mono rails? 20:18:38 <Dreamxtreme> wow 20:18:45 <Eddi|zuHause> i suggest you try a newgrf 20:18:46 <Dreamxtreme> shows you i never go on there 20:18:58 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, there are monorails and maglevs [iirc] 20:19:14 <Kaas> at what year will i get these? :) 20:19:47 *** andythenorth [~andy@host81-152-147-6.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 20:19:59 <Belugas> can't remember 20:20:02 <Belugas> the wiki knows 20:20:11 <Belugas> at least for regular games 20:20:26 <PeterT> 2001 for monos 20:20:48 <Belugas> bummer... another chick feeder :( 20:20:50 <PeterT> 202x for maglevz 20:21:08 <Kaas> ah ok, thanks man :) 20:21:26 <Kaas> 160 km/u just isnt fast enough :D 20:21:30 *** frosch123 [~frosch@89.15.214.166] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:21:39 <Dreamxtreme> ok 20:21:55 <Dreamxtreme> England & Wales 0.5 ready 20:22:18 <PeterT> Kaas, im checking the wiki actually 20:22:19 <PeterT> :) 20:22:41 <Kaas> dont worry 20:22:44 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:22:52 <PeterT> oh sorry, 1999 for first mono 20:22:56 <Kaas> woot 20:22:59 <Kaas> even better :D 20:23:04 <Kaas> its 1993 already 20:23:04 <TrueBrain> hmm ... kaas ... /me hits the fridge 20:23:19 <PeterT> 2020 for maglevz 20:23:25 <PeterT> (with a z!) 20:23:39 <Belugas> you have a sister? Called Patricia? Are you Patricia? 20:23:48 <TrueBrain> Belugas: are you mental? 20:23:59 <Belugas> I want a digital autograph 20:24:01 <TrueBrain> (just checking ;)) 20:24:11 <Belugas> TrueBrain, mental-ly touched :) 20:24:20 <Kaas> anyway, going to play again. thanks for the infoz 20:24:26 <TrueBrain> Kaas: enjoy 20:24:47 <Belugas> and pay us a visit with her! 20:25:02 <TrueBrain> what are you babbling about? :) 20:25:14 <Dreamxtreme> cake 20:25:20 <TrueBrain> http://images01.olx.com/ui/1/80/73/1437773_1.jpg <- there, a digital autograph for you :) 20:25:47 <TrueBrain> 3rd page for nudity on the terms: digital autograph .. you got to love google 20:25:51 <Belugas> Patricia Kaas, a french signer :D 20:25:55 <TrueBrain> ah :) 20:25:55 <SmatZ> mmm nudity 20:26:01 <SmatZ> whose sign is that ? 20:26:02 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: go call your girlfriend 20:26:09 <SmatZ> :( 20:26:11 <Farden> as a french, I cannot really call her a singer 20:26:29 <Kaas> hmm 20:26:35 <Kaas> im dutch, not french 20:26:40 <Farden> more a howler 20:26:42 <TrueBrain> http://www.milkmag.org/images/miscarriage_03.jpg <- NOT BOSS SAFE! 3rd page hit in google on 'digital autograph' .. wtf?! 20:26:44 <Farden> or, something like that 20:26:53 <Belugas> ok.. as a canadian once belgian, i do, Farden 20:27:05 <PeterT> truebrain: in english its "NSFW" 20:27:13 <PeterT> Not Safe For Work 20:27:29 <SmatZ> hmm what is "svetar" 20:27:36 <Belugas> i like her, in fact. not everything she does, but a few songs here and there always touch me 20:27:53 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Quit: Quit] 20:27:54 <TrueBrain> PeterT: do us all a favor, and don't get smart on me 20:27:58 <Farden> well, it's a question of taste, I think 20:28:11 <PeterT> where are you from? 20:28:16 <Farden> perhaps I'm to young to understand 20:28:39 <PeterT> you dont have a country listed on your name 20:29:15 <SmatZ> TrueBrain: bad mood? :( 20:29:19 <TrueBrain> Farden: Belugas is very old, so :) 20:29:24 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: no, absolutely not :) 20:29:50 <PeterT> belugas isnt old 20:30:04 <Belugas> nope... he's ancient 20:30:11 <TrueBrain> I second that :) 20:30:16 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 20:30:34 <PeterT> no, not really 20:30:40 <PeterT> hes the wise one 20:31:10 <Belugas> buwhahahahaha!!!! 20:31:20 <Belugas> now it's the proper time: 20:31:22 <Belugas> LOL! 20:31:26 <PeterT> i gotta go again 20:31:32 <Belugas> pee? 20:31:34 <PeterT> football calls 20:31:38 <PeterT> ;) 20:32:01 <PeterT> Belugas: confusing "go" with "go take a piss" ? 20:32:41 <PeterT> goodbye all 20:32:44 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-168-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Goodbye] 20:32:48 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@cpc1-stkn13-0-0-cust18.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 20:32:53 <Belugas> dunno abouty you but in here, if one said just "gotta go", it usually means that 20:32:57 * TrueBrain hugs Belugas 20:33:00 <Belugas> not always... but still 20:33:03 <Belugas> puurrrr 20:33:05 <Belugas> puuurrrrrr 20:33:14 <TrueBrain> I love it when Belugas makes that sound :) 20:33:29 <Belugas> you should hear my cat... 20:33:46 <TrueBrain> our cat only tries to hurt you .. 20:33:47 <TrueBrain> stupid cat 20:34:16 <Belugas> my cat now weights 12 pounds 4 onces. monster of love! 20:34:44 <TrueBrain> pounds ... 20:34:49 <TrueBrain> I hate those canadian people 20:34:52 <TrueBrain> what is wrong with grams? 20:34:59 <TrueBrain> SI UNITS PEOPLE! :'( 20:35:09 <TrueBrain> hihi :) 20:35:25 <Rubidium> all cats hurt me, in some way or another 20:35:31 * OwenS doesn't know what his cats weigh, and if he did, he would know in sane units :p 20:35:33 <TrueBrain> 12 pounds 4 ounces = 5 556.50653 grams <- google can be useful :) 20:35:46 <OwenS> TrueBrain: Grams isn't an SI base unit :p 20:35:53 <TrueBrain> kg is 20:35:58 <TrueBrain> therefor g is 20:36:12 <OwenS> And grams seems like an odd unit to use for an animal's weight 20:36:18 <SmatZ> it's not base unit, only kg is 20:36:24 <TrueBrain> base unit, yes :) 20:36:36 <Rubidium> less odd than light years for distance 20:36:41 <SmatZ> hehe 20:36:49 <Belugas> well... that's how the vet told me she weighted ( the cat... not the vet...) so i just.. grabbed the number 20:36:54 <TrueBrain> depends on what you are pointing at Rubidium :) 20:37:03 <TrueBrain> Belugas: hahaha :) Not the vet? You sure? :p 20:37:05 <TrueBrain> :p :p :p 20:37:14 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: in fact, we use kpc for distance 20:37:22 <OwenS> parsecs? 20:37:24 <Eddi|zuHause> OwenS: nobody was asking for "SI base units", just "SI units" 20:37:25 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:37:26 <TrueBrain> yup 20:37:45 <Belugas> far from that... she told me i should check my cat's diet but ... let say the doctor was not following her own advices :D 20:37:51 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 20:37:53 <TrueBrain> ghehehehe :) 20:37:55 <TrueBrain> clear :) 20:38:22 <TrueBrain> what I never understood about kg in SI, 'kg' is the base, but it isn't dkg, or mkg ... 20:38:46 <OwenS> It's an oddity dating back to the crazy french Metric comittee... 20:38:54 <Farden> it's not crazy 20:38:55 <TrueBrain> I hate french people 20:38:56 <TrueBrain> (sorry glx :p) 20:38:57 <Farden> it's logic! 20:39:02 <OwenS> Simply they couldn't make an accurate gram :P 20:39:03 <Farden> TrueBrain : then I hate you 20:39:09 <Farden> (glx isn't the only french here) 20:39:28 <TrueBrain> Farden: might be, but glx is the only one I would make the exception for :) 20:39:32 <TrueBrain> hihi :) 20:39:38 <Farden> you bastard...^^ 20:39:39 <Eddi|zuHause> OwenS: but they could have called this big block of metal a "gram" instead of a "kilogram" 20:39:40 <glx> thx TrueBrain :) 20:39:46 <TrueBrain> Farden: BOFH present 20:39:48 <Farden> toi, tu paie rien pour attendre! 20:39:51 <Farden> oh 20:39:55 <Farden> BOFH <! 20:39:55 <Belugas> ho ben... j'l'aurais jamais devine, Farden :) 20:39:56 <Farden> <3 20:40:05 <OwenS> Eddi|zuHause: The gram was decided in some way or other already... 20:40:11 <OwenS> As I said, crazy feench 20:40:26 <Farden> excuse me 20:40:33 * Farden slaps OwenS around with Windows Me 20:40:40 <Farden> but it was necessary 20:40:46 <SmatZ> ow 20:40:47 <TrueBrain> if you google for 'logic' apple is the first hit 20:40:49 <TrueBrain> that is not .. logic 20:41:06 <Dreamxtreme> anyone fancy a England and wales OTTD MP game 20:41:08 <Dreamxtreme> ?? 20:41:22 <SmatZ> a England? 20:41:30 <OwenS> Farden: That Windows ME evaporated upon coming into contact with my OpenSolaris box :p 20:41:42 <Farden> opensolaris? good boy 20:41:43 * SmatZ slaps himself with _ln 20:41:47 <Farden> but I prefer freeBSD 20:42:07 *** R0b0t1 [~Enigma@64-136-216-213.dyn.everestkc.net] has joined #openttd 20:42:24 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17356 /trunk/src/ (subsidy.cpp subsidy_gui.cpp): -Fix: actually implement scrolling for the subsidy list instead of 'just' showing a scroll bar. 20:42:35 <Dreamxtreme> uk 20:42:36 <Dreamxtreme> yuk 20:42:46 <TrueBrain> yes, uk is yuk, you got that right :) 20:42:49 <Dreamxtreme> it timed out uploading my map 20:42:51 <TrueBrain> oh, am I not the niceone here today :) 20:42:54 <Dreamxtreme> tut 20:42:56 <OwenS> Linux, OpenSolaris, (Last booted ~4 months ago) Windows XP, I have a Unix-clone, Unix and Not-ix here... Just need to add OS X as a "Freak-ix" :p 20:43:15 <TrueBrain> a 4 month long running Windows XP 20:43:19 <TrueBrain> that can never be a good thing 20:43:22 <Rubidium> Farden: so it's almost time to use Debian :) 20:43:23 <_ln> hi SmatZ 20:43:27 <Lovheim> Hello again, anyone experienced the bug when trying to add newGFX that the game crashes and say "<filename>.gfx lost in cache"? 20:43:28 <OwenS> TrueBrain: Unbooted for 4 months :P 20:43:29 <Farden> debian? 20:43:29 <SmatZ> hello _ln 20:43:35 <Farden> don't talk me about that shit^^ 20:43:36 <TrueBrain> I want to bet that next time you move your mouse, it asks you to reboot before changes take affect 20:43:43 <Eddi|zuHause> TrueBrain: by far not your best day yet ;) 20:43:53 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: what would it make my best day? :) 20:43:54 <Rubidium> Farden: but... Debian runs with the freebsd kernel 20:43:57 <OwenS> TrueBrain: Next time I boot it I expect it to ask me to download 1GB of updates or such 20:44:07 <TrueBrain> OwenS: download them before you boot :p 20:44:07 <Eddi|zuHause> i should rather not say anything now :p 20:44:09 <SmatZ> I had windows running for over a year... on a notebook, suspended on disk :-p 20:44:11 <Farden> yeah, they "stole" freeBSD kernel parts 20:44:15 <Farden> like apple has done 20:44:22 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: so you picked up on that ? :) Damn, I now really feel like Simon :) 20:44:23 <Farden> but, a kernel doesn't make an OS 20:44:26 <Farden> all ports 20:44:29 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: CHEATER! :) 20:44:31 <SmatZ> ;) 20:44:33 <Farden> all binaries 20:44:37 <OwenS> Farden: FreeBSD's ZFS implementation is absolutely crappy 20:44:40 <Farden> they form the great freeBSD 20:45:06 <Farden> ZFS? 20:45:07 <TrueBrain> then .. when is the last time you tried compiling OpenTTD on FreeBSD? 20:45:10 <OwenS> I mean, ffs, panics are a regular occurance... 20:45:15 <SmatZ> I was surprised when I powered it on (it's old old pentium) and it resumed from hibernation :) 20:45:16 <Farden> I don't know 20:45:17 <Farden> never used it 20:45:30 <Ammler> fjb: is using openttd there... 20:45:31 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: would have been funny :) 20:45:43 <OwenS> Well I have a 2TB ZFS pool so Solaris is my only practical option :p 20:45:58 <Farden> my school uses AFS 20:46:04 <Dreamxtreme> Description field exceeded 500 characters. EPIC FAIL 20:46:05 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: it compiles fine on Debian's FreeBSD 20:46:08 <Farden> but... I don't think they know how to use it 20:46:10 <Rubidium> at least 0.7.2 does 20:46:13 <OwenS> Farden: AFS? AtheOS File System? 20:46:14 <Farden> cause it's always crashing 20:46:22 <Farden> no 20:46:26 <Farden> Andrew File System 20:46:28 <Lovheim> Anyone had the error where it says the GFX is lost in cache? 20:46:49 <TrueBrain> page 35 on search term 'logic' gives me nudity .. silly Google :p 20:47:08 <OwenS> Basically, one has to do about 20 pages of settings changes to get ZFS working "reliably" on FreeBSD. No thanks. Solaris is easier 20:47:11 <Farden> nudity can be full of logic^^ 20:47:35 <Farden> OwenS : if you see it that way, yeah of course 20:47:51 <OwenS> And no other FS provides the functionality 20:47:53 <TrueBrain> using ZFS to dismiss a whole OS .. that is a new :) 20:48:09 <Farden> but, they're working on it 20:48:12 <Farden> perhaps one day 20:48:20 <Farden> ZFS and freebsd will be friends again \o 20:48:27 <OwenS> Also, FreeBSD is still stupidly clinging to BSD make :p 20:48:46 <Farden> well, I prefer BSD make 20:48:51 <Farden> it's less verbose in standart mode 20:48:59 <TrueBrain> Dreamxtreme: can I .. suggest you tune down your 'epic fail' .. it starts to become, well .. annoying. We spent all this time on creating something amazing, and all you can say is: epic fail here, epic fail there. Besides the fact you clearly 100% misunderstood the term 'epic fail', it is also very much not nice to throw around that often. 20:49:01 <Farden> when you're using recursive makefiles 20:49:32 <Farden> I had a project to do, which had to compile with both gmake and pmake 20:49:40 <Farden> and, with gmake the log was about 40 lines 20:49:45 <Farden> and pmake it was only 10 20:49:54 <Dreamxtreme> lol i was referring to the epic fail on my part TrueBrain 20:49:57 <TrueBrain> so gmake is clearly better :) 20:50:05 <TrueBrain> oh oh oh oh, a lol :) So I can kick you now? 20:50:07 <Farden> it's much easier to get errors when you don't have all those "entering directory ... leaving directory" messages 20:50:20 <Dreamxtreme> dammt 20:50:22 <OwenS> recursive makefiles are silly anyway. They don't play along with the -j option... 20:50:32 <Farden> TrueBrain : more message are good, but only if there are usefull 20:50:34 <Dreamxtreme> right 20:50:41 * TrueBrain hugs Dreamxtreme 20:50:44 <OwenS> Farden: I find the directorry messages useful :p 20:50:49 <Farden> why? 20:50:58 <Dreamxtreme> :D 20:51:01 <OwenS> Because if your insisting on recursive makefiles, I want to be able to find the failed file... 20:51:22 <OwenS> Rather than just file.c(24) and not knowing where file.c is 20:51:23 <Farden> doesn't it tells you the complete path when it does an error? 20:51:27 <Rubidium> Farden: just add '-s' to your MAKEFLAGS 20:51:33 <OwenS> Farden: no it doesn't 20:51:45 <Farden> ok, cause it does for me 20:51:50 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051152006.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 20:51:53 <Farden> but it's probably because of a hidden flag somewhere 20:51:57 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r17357 /trunk/src/yapf/yapf_road.cpp: -Codechange: some compilers complain about implicit conversion from NULL to bool 20:52:16 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: you make it sound like the compilers are to blame :p 20:52:16 <Farden> which make the directory messages useless 20:52:23 <SmatZ> they are! :) 20:52:30 <TrueBrain> hehehe :) 20:52:36 <TrueBrain> type-checking? Anyone? :p 20:52:50 *** bb10 [~nn@dhcp-077-248-075-030.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:52:58 <OwenS> Then again I never see those messages because I don't use recursive makefiles; because they, as I said, don't paralelize properly with -jX options - they either spawn more ccs than I wanted or spawn a make process per core. Neither is smart 20:53:37 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: they are; newer compilers removed valid warnings 20:54:00 <TrueBrain> hehe 20:54:40 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:55:33 <Farden> OwenS : it's more a style of structure 20:55:43 <glx> gcc 3.4.5 complains, gcc 4.4.0 doesn't 20:55:51 <Farden> for big C/C++ projects, using a recursive structure is very usefull 20:55:52 <TrueBrain> gcc 4.4.0 sucks :p 20:56:00 <Farden> when you have dozens of files to compile 20:56:15 <OwenS> Farden: For big C/C++ projects you shouldn't be hand writing makefiles :P 20:56:18 <TrueBrain> Farden: I can say with proud OpenTTD uses only 2 Makefiles for the whole compile-process 20:56:23 <TrueBrain> well, 3, but one is to call the other 2 :p 20:56:33 <TrueBrain> OwenS: owh ... euh ... 20:56:37 <TrueBrain> DOH! I knew we did something wrong :p 20:57:01 <OwenS> Then again maybe I'm just too much of a CMake fan :p 20:57:04 <[com]buster> Farden: maybe you read on "recursive make considered harmful" 20:57:09 <Farden> OwenS : I'm talking about school projects, and at the moment, we MUST write every makefile by ourselves 20:57:09 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@195-241-124-225.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 20:57:11 <Farden> so... 20:57:29 <Farden> but later, we'll be allowed to do beautiful automated things 20:57:32 <TrueBrain> self-written Makefiles / configure shit is better than that annoying auto* shit :( 20:57:46 <[com]buster> TrueBrain +1 20:58:02 <Farden> I've heard from students in the next class that autotools are worst than hell 20:58:09 <Farden> I will soon see if it's true^^ 20:58:15 <Dreamxtreme> TrueBrain FTW! 20:58:33 <OwenS> Autotools... ugh... Theres a reason KDE went Automake -> CMake :p 20:58:33 <TrueBrain> I don't understand why so much projects use them ... 'easy'? 20:58:35 <TrueBrain> :s 20:58:51 <Dreamxtreme> TrueBrain you ever used joomla 20:59:02 <Farden> probably because they produce good looking results? 20:59:10 <Farden> it's nice to see the checklist of ./configure 20:59:14 <Farden> it's looking very geek 20:59:19 <Dreamxtreme> i like KDE 20:59:21 <OwenS> "good looking"? CMake's results are better looking :p 20:59:25 <[com]buster> And it's taking waaaay too much time 20:59:26 <TrueBrain> Dreamxtreme: don't use such words in here 20:59:27 <Dreamxtreme> but it has its floors 20:59:36 <Dreamxtreme> :S 20:59:40 <TrueBrain> Farden: yeah, and that is about all :p 20:59:42 <Farden> [com]buster : I have to agree on that^^ 20:59:47 <TrueBrain> it looks cool you check for stdio.h 20:59:52 <Dreamxtreme> ok whats your fav CMS 20:59:56 <TrueBrain> (WTF? If you miss that file, something is VERY wrong :p) 20:59:57 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r17358 /trunk/src/stdafx.h: -Fix: compilation was broken for gcc older than 3.4 21:00:06 <Farden> ^^ 21:00:12 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: does 2.95.3 work? :p :p :p 21:00:23 <[com]buster> stdafx.h? 21:00:39 * OwenS wonders why MS prefixed that with "std"... 21:00:44 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: ofcourse it does 21:00:45 <[com]buster> that you are even *manage* to get that through gcc 21:00:57 <Farden> there are still people using older version that 3.0? 21:01:12 <Farden> than* 21:01:17 <Eddi|zuHause> i tried using CMake recently to compile a KDE app 21:01:23 <[com]buster> pre-3.0, no 21:01:31 <Eddi|zuHause> it didn't really give useful error messages 21:01:32 <Rubidium> (just not on OpenTTD's code base) 21:01:32 <Rubidium> this is going to look so nice due to all my lagging :) 21:01:37 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: why do I suspect that a vanilla (non-debian) gcc 2.95.3 give me ... funny errors? :) 21:01:40 <[com]buster> But I'm stubbornly refusing to get gcc past 4.2 21:01:45 <z-MaTRiX> hey-ho ;> 21:01:50 <SmatZ> TrueBrain: NO! 21:01:59 <Farden> [com]buster : gcc should ever be 4.2 21:02:03 <Farden> for ethical reasons^^ 21:02:05 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: :'( :'( BUT I WANT TO USE GCC 2.95.3!!! I LOVE THAT COMPILER! :p 21:02:09 <SmatZ> I think NoAI merge didn't break that 21:02:20 <SmatZ> (there were fixes after merge to make it work( 21:02:25 <OwenS> Eddi|zuHause: Huh? Never noticed it not giving nice messages 21:02:25 <SmatZ> but later it broke again 21:02:34 <SmatZ> I waster some time to make it working 21:02:37 <SmatZ> then I gave up :-p 21:02:39 <[com]buster> Right now I'm seriously looking for gcc replacements 21:02:41 <SmatZ> *wasted 21:02:41 <TrueBrain> good choice :) 21:02:50 <TrueBrain> tokai should just make sure MorphOS has a 'recent' compiler :p 21:02:55 <SmatZ> hehe 21:02:59 <SmatZ> @seen tokai 21:02:59 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: tokai was last seen in #openttd 2 weeks, 4 days, 4 hours, 45 minutes, and 13 seconds ago: <tokai> Audigex: yes. One way to find out what it means, right? :) 21:03:00 <TrueBrain> [com]buster: tcc? icc? llvm? 21:03:04 <planetmaker> he... wasting time + giving up = good choice? strange... :-P 21:03:04 <Farden> [com]buster found something good? 21:03:05 *** thingwath [~thingie@88.83.164.57] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 21:03:20 *** thingwath [~thingie@88.83.164.57] has joined #openttd 21:03:21 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: hehe :) OUT OF CONTEXT! :P 21:03:26 <[com]buster> icc is huge, llvm is still a wip 21:03:29 <planetmaker> hihi :-) 21:03:33 <OwenS> [com]buster: Sun CC? 21:03:42 <OwenS> Not open source though 21:03:43 <TrueBrain> [com]buster: LLVM is going pretty rapid, but yes :) 21:03:48 <TrueBrain> tcc is nice :) 64bit 'works' :) 21:03:51 <Farden> stop with your sun things 21:03:52 <OwenS> Theres also AMD Open64 21:03:57 <Eddi|zuHause> OwenS: i don't have the error message anymore, but it was something like "error executing <very internal sounding file> - file not found" 21:04:06 <[com]buster> I need something I can compile myself 21:04:09 <OwenS> Eddi|zuHause: Never got such an error =/ 21:04:10 <TrueBrain> tcc! 21:04:14 <OwenS> [com]buster: Open64 then :p 21:04:24 <Rubidium> distcc! :) 21:04:27 <OwenS> Which actually does 32-bit code... stupid Compaq name... 21:04:28 <SmatZ> @openttd commit 16492 21:04:29 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: Commit by smatz :: r16492 /trunk (15 files in 5 dirs) (2009-06-01 11:49:46 UTC) 21:04:29 <TrueBrain> OpenTTD! 21:04:30 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: -Remove: support for gcc2. It hasn't been able to compile OTTD for months. All attempts to do another workaround failed. 21:04:31 <[com]buster> lol@distcc 21:04:36 <[com]buster> I actually have that 21:04:42 <Eddi|zuHause> i installed a bunch of packages that were hinted on the "compile this program" wiki page, that apparently fixed it 21:04:45 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: that was a sad day! :p 21:04:48 <SmatZ> ;) 21:04:51 <Eddi|zuHause> but i still have no idea what package was missing 21:05:07 <OwenS> So, [com]buster, whats your issue with GCC? 21:05:13 <TrueBrain> BLOATWARE! 21:05:16 <TrueBrain> did I say that out loud? 21:05:17 <[com]buster> ^ 21:05:22 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B9E0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:05:35 *** andythenorth [~andy@host81-152-147-6.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has left #openttd [] 21:05:41 <OwenS> Bloatware? And your suggesting replacing it with the itself quite large LLVM? (And I say this as an LLVM fan :P ) 21:05:46 <TrueBrain> it is amazing it took THIS LONG before any serious alternative starts to become accepted 21:05:57 <TrueBrain> LLVM is much less bloatware 21:06:00 <OwenS> TrueBrain: I blame the C/C++ grammar :p 21:06:02 <TrueBrain> large != bloat by definition 21:06:03 <[com]buster> llvm can at least target multiple arches with *one* binary 21:06:24 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@195-241-124-225.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Quit: restart] 21:06:27 <OwenS> Also, I blame how hard it is to optimize code :p 21:06:28 <TrueBrain> LLVM does what it says what it does, and nothing more 21:06:35 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@195-241-124-225.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 21:06:44 <OwenS> Whoo... only 40MB of packages left to go 21:06:48 <TrueBrain> gcc on the other hand is one big fucking mess 21:06:56 <[com]buster> h 21:07:07 <glx> autotools or how to spend more time in configure than in compile 21:07:08 <OwenS> GCC and Binutils are from a back end perspective, I agree 21:07:10 <[com]buster> gcc past 4.2 won't compile properly on cygwin hosts 21:07:10 <TrueBrain> [com]buster: but seriously, if you are looking for something small, C only, try tcc 21:07:27 <SmatZ> sys-devel/gcc-4.4.1 Total size : 59.97 MiB 21:07:30 <SmatZ> it's not that big 21:07:30 <OwenS> small, C only, and with an optimizer which is crap :p 21:07:34 <Farden> [com]buster : did you tried andLinux 21:07:36 <Farden> it looks good 21:07:39 <SmatZ> ... when one deleted precompiled headers 21:07:59 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: indeed, size is not related to its bloat-status :) 21:08:14 <SmatZ> TrueBrain: why is it bloated? 21:08:20 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@frquadrat.de] has quit [Quit: Der Worte sind genug gewechselt, lasst mich auch endlich Taten sehn!] 21:08:24 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@client-82-28-7-22.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 21:08:28 <OwenS> I think it became bloated about the time it grew 5 different internal representations... 21:08:30 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: you don't agree? :p 21:08:47 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... these kabauter thingies must have got into my system now 21:08:51 <SmatZ> TrueBrain: I don't see a reason why it should be bloatware :) 21:08:58 <Dreamxtreme> well this just turned into a all out war 21:09:06 <OwenS> Also... The GCC and Binutils devs apparently have not considered that people may want to port their compiler to target a new architecture... 21:09:12 <[com]buster> And when it started to require odd dependencies 21:09:14 <TrueBrain> given that 'bloatware' is a bit vague, lets define what I think is wrong with GCC: unmangable (the code is a real mess), include-tree is a mess, library-shit is a mess, dep-shit is a mess 21:09:28 <OwenS> Still supports PDP-11... 21:09:32 <Eddi|zuHause> the kmix magically switched from the volume keys changing the "master" slide to changing the "pcm" slide 21:09:35 <SmatZ> well, it is 21:09:37 <TrueBrain> then we continue to talk about targets: every target follows other rules. Gentoo did a good effort unifying them, but still you hav etrouble that for some targets things are called different 21:09:40 <SmatZ> PDP ftw! 21:10:05 <[com]buster> Supporting PDP-11 is teh fail 21:10:05 <OwenS> GCC and Binutils have HORRENDOUS developer documentation 21:10:25 <OwenS> Tell me if you can find a useful document on how to target them to a new architecture 21:10:38 <OwenS> I searched for hours. ONE DOES NOT EXIST. FOR A COMPILER PROJECT THIS IS RIDICULOUS 21:10:44 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: KILL THEM! BE THE OVERLORD! :) (play Overlord 2, and you understand the reference) 21:10:50 <[com]buster> and you need to be a geek to even ead the user manual 21:11:09 <OwenS> [com]buster: To be fair, compilers are targetted at geeks :p 21:11:19 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: on top of that, gcc silently assumes glibc and binutils 21:11:27 <[com]buster> OwenS: not every software developer is 21:11:30 <TrueBrain> gcc (a few targets at least) have hardcoded directories 21:11:40 <TrueBrain> it can leak memory like a maniac, untracable 21:11:45 <OwenS> TrueBrain: GCC allows you to disable use of glibc 21:11:48 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@client-82-28-7-22.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [] 21:11:49 <SmatZ> TrueBrain: I am running gcc with uclibc ;) (gentoo, maybe patched) 21:11:59 <TrueBrain> I never said it was impossible 21:12:03 <TrueBrain> I said it silently assumes it 21:12:05 <[com]buster> gentoo, patches guaranteed :) 21:12:06 <OwenS> --freestanding or --with-newlib depending upon your preferences IIRC :p 21:12:06 <TrueBrain> you need to patch it to make it to work 21:12:20 <[com]buster> --without-headers --with-newlib ;) 21:12:37 <TrueBrain> so yes, I consider gcc bloatware and in need of replacement 21:12:42 <Dreamxtreme> grr 21:12:43 <TrueBrain> (long overdue, if you ask me) 21:12:45 <OwenS> [com]buster: The --with-newlib is, what, 2 minor, a major and 4 minor revisions out of date? :p 21:13:04 <Dreamxtreme> why doesnt this thing upload 21:13:04 * Dreamxtreme gives his router a kick 21:13:08 <TrueBrain> so 6 minors? 21:13:22 <TrueBrain> 6 times 3 is also legal 21:13:22 <OwenS> TrueBrain: Yes. I'm just pointing out the major in the middle of that :p 21:13:52 <Rubidium> hmm... complaining about scripts that check for stdio.h and complaining about stuff that assumes that certain things are installed... 21:13:52 <SmatZ> 18 21:14:19 <Eddi|zuHause> TrueBrain> 6 times 3 is also legal <-- that sounds very awful 21:14:30 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: it is, and I felt ashamed I said it out loud 21:14:39 <TrueBrain> I am happy SmatZ is so naief he didn't understand it ;) 21:14:41 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: fair point :) 21:14:54 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@195-241-124-225.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Quit: nog een poging] 21:15:01 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@195-241-124-225.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 21:15:02 <[com]buster> bottom line 21:15:24 <[com]buster> GCC is built to force you into using more FSF crap 21:16:11 <Eddi|zuHause> the fun starts if they switch glibc into (strict) GPL :) 21:16:11 <OwenS> The only project more annoying is glibc... 21:16:19 <TrueBrain> OwenS: on that I fully agree 21:16:28 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@227.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 21:16:32 <OwenS> In no small part because of <whatshisname>... 21:16:32 <Terkhen> hello 21:16:36 <TrueBrain> the few replacement libs are pretty nice 21:16:47 <TrueBrain> sadly, hard to compile your system to use them :s 21:16:49 <TrueBrain> Terkhen: howdie 21:16:55 <[com]buster> glibc is 5% c library, 95% crap others wanted to have 21:17:10 <TrueBrain> you know what, lets make a new OS, which doesn't have that crap!! :p 21:17:24 <TrueBrain> make it binary compatible with Windows, *nix, BSD (and OSX)! 21:17:27 <Rubidium> ah well, with gcc 4.4 they might have made a good step into distros not using it :) 21:17:28 <SmatZ> libc would be enough 21:17:29 <[com]buster> http://dimensionalrift.homelinux.net/combuster/mos3 <-shameless plug 21:17:32 <planetmaker> called brainos? 21:17:50 <[com]buster> (and way ahead of you) 21:18:30 <TrueBrain> even workable images? Impressive ;) 21:18:42 <[com]buster> its still pre-alpha 21:18:42 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@client-82-27-236-169.brnt.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 21:18:46 <OwenS> [com]buster: PD is quite an interesting choice as not all countries have such a concept 21:19:01 <TrueBrain> I once started an OS .. never came past the point of implementing something real :p 21:19:16 <glx> let's call it weirdos ;) 21:19:17 <TrueBrain> put it under PD and CC-ZERO, and you should be fine for most countries :) 21:19:24 <TrueBrain> glx: I really do like that :) 21:19:30 <[com]buster> I'm currently trying to get hardware 3d working ;) 21:19:40 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@195-241-124-225.ip.telfort.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:19:45 <TrueBrain> well .. I first have another project to launch ;) 21:20:06 <OwenS> [com]buster: on an nVidia card was it not you were working? 21:20:27 <TrueBrain> I personally like HelenOS 21:20:34 <[com]buster> Nvidia's have nice bioses that don't need workarounds 21:20:41 <OwenS> Hehe 21:20:45 <[com]buster> and I only have one nv card 21:20:45 <OwenS> "The 'pcieb' driver shares the alias 'pciexclass,060401' with the 'pcie_pci'" <-- O_o 21:20:53 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:21:07 <Eddi|zuHause> TrueBrain: sounds very greek-ish ;) 21:21:24 *** R0b0t1 [~Enigma@64-136-216-213.dyn.everestkc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:21:29 <OwenS> That concerns me slightly because my HTPC's mobo + graphics card combination requires a Solaris PCIE on Intel workarround... 21:21:29 <[com]buster> hµhµ 21:22:07 * OwenS crosses fingers it's nothing 21:22:26 <OwenS> Because otherwise I'm going to get further acquainted with SunOS' Kernel Debugger 21:23:35 <OwenS> (Meh, if it were Linux, I would be pulling hardware to get to the settings file. No complaints there) 21:23:40 <Dreamxtreme> hmm 21:24:06 <Dreamxtreme> my scenario file isnt uploading properly to the forum attachment 21:24:32 <TrueBrain> I wish you all a very good night :) 21:24:34 <Dreamxtreme> the uploader closes but it doesnt show in the forum 21:24:39 <[com]buster> 'night TB 21:24:43 <OwenS> TrueBrain: Night 21:24:50 <OwenS> Well... time to boot the HTPC into opensolaris-2 21:25:10 <TrueBrain> OwenS: I want a HTPC which communicates with my xbox ... till now I failed to do that correctly under linux :p 21:25:17 <TrueBrain> and I refuse to instlal windows for it :p 21:25:18 <OwenS> Xbox360? Fleeh 21:25:20 <OwenS> PS3 FTW :P 21:25:26 <Eddi|zuHause> <[com]buster> huhu <- that is very evil. my eyes always try to read "huhu" while my brain tries to read "hmhm"... now they are constantly fighting each other 21:25:31 <TrueBrain> oh, my bed .. right 21:25:38 <OwenS> Though both use UPNP :p 21:25:56 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@252.69.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:26:04 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:26:29 <OwenS> [com]buster: Can I just say that http://dimensionalrift.homelinux.net/combuster/mos3/snaps/mos_ia-pc_1_Startup%20Screen.PNG is quite messy? :p 21:26:51 <[com]buster> Feel free 21:26:58 <OwenS> "pfexec shutdown -i6 -g0" weeii 21:27:15 <[com]buster> its one of the initial debug screens 21:27:45 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r17359 /trunk/src/misc_gui.cpp: -Fix: put static before cv qualifier, some compilers complain about that 21:29:44 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 21:30:29 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r17360 /trunk/src/ (49 files in 3 dirs): -Fix (r17329): the 'track' and 'title' texts were lost in the conversion to nested widgets 21:31:10 <OwenS> Same Intel hardware bug workaround bug. GAH! kernel debugger workaround workaround time.. 21:31:36 <SmatZ> hehe 21:32:28 <Dreamxtreme> o The attachment's file size is too large, the maximum upload size is 4 MB. 21:32:55 <SmatZ> OwenS: what are you doing? 21:33:59 *** R0b0t1 [~Enigma@64-136-216-213.dyn.everestkc.net] has joined #openttd 21:35:09 <tokai> hmm.. quite a stupid bot :) 21:35:40 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r17361 /trunk/src/music_gui.cpp: -Fix (r17360): committed a bit too much 21:35:55 <OwenS> SmatZ: Getting OpenSolaris to boot on Intel hardware with a PCI-E bug... 21:36:16 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:37:57 <SmatZ> OwenS: I didn't know about any such bug :-x 21:39:02 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@client-82-27-236-169.brnt.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:43:10 <OwenS> SmatZ: Theres apparently a need for an "rber workaround". I have no clue what that means :p 21:43:22 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 21:43:48 <SmatZ> :) 21:43:50 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r17362 /trunk/src/lang/afrikaans.txt: -Fix (r17360): alignment in afrikaans.txt was wrong 21:43:55 <OwenS> Or rather is sometimes a need for it and sometimes not. And the kernel doesn't currently know when it is needed and when not. And when not it crashes :p 21:44:05 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@client-82-27-236-169.brnt.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 21:44:21 <Kaas> is it possible to replace electric trains to monorail train with the replace trains button? 21:44:33 <SmatZ> no 21:44:59 <Kaas> lol 21:45:16 <Kaas> mkay.. 21:45:30 <SmatZ> "lol" is banned today :-p 21:45:44 <OwenS> "~Chris_Boo@client" /me wonders what OS truncates usernames at 9 characters.. 21:45:57 <SmatZ> hehe 21:45:58 <Kaas> well, i can agree on that 21:46:12 <Kaas> im not going to manually replace 261 trains >_> 21:46:58 <Eddi|zuHause> i recommend you using a newgrf 21:47:03 <Eddi|zuHause> and i believe i said that before 21:47:49 <Kaas> which newgrf do you recommend? 21:48:01 <Kaas> as there are like 200 different ones 21:48:03 <Eddi|zuHause> most newgrf rail sets discourage switching from conventional rail to maglev 21:48:26 <Eddi|zuHause> well, most of the times you'd be focusing on the railset of one country 21:48:28 <Rubidium> don't underestimate the number of NewGRFs :) 21:48:44 <DaleStan> We recommend one set at a time. Alphabetical order, maybe? 21:49:07 <Eddi|zuHause> so you'd use a canadian set, or an american set, or a uk set, or a german set 21:49:08 <OwenS> Though multiple at once are now supported it tends to cause unfortunate results :p 21:49:13 <Kaas> is there one that has the same stats for all trains, only that they all run on normal un-elecrtified tracks? 21:49:34 <Eddi|zuHause> you can write that yourself :p 21:49:36 <OwenS> Thats rather unrealistic :p 21:49:37 <Kaas> the same stats as the original trains* 21:49:51 <Eddi|zuHause> you don't actually have to know the stats 21:49:55 <Kaas> well, that way you can play the game without having to replace 262 trains manually 21:50:03 * OwenS expects Belugas to say something about realism :p 21:50:35 <Eddi|zuHause> Kaas: it's just a couple of lines of NFO 21:51:24 <Farden> gnuit 21:51:27 <Kaas> is it? *searches config file* 21:51:30 *** Farden [jk3farden@lns-bzn-48f-81-56-247-196.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:51:38 <Yexo> Kaas: nfo != config file 21:51:42 <Eddi|zuHause> NFO ain't going to be in the config file 21:51:45 <OwenS> Kaas: NFO = NewGRF language : 21:51:46 <OwenS> :p 21:51:56 <Kaas> jeez, who invented that newgrf 21:52:10 <DaleStan> http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=NewGraphicsSpecs 21:52:14 <Eddi|zuHause> i'd go for Josef Drexler 21:52:22 <DaleStan> The GRF container was invented by the TTD team. 21:53:09 <Eddi|zuHause> DaleStan: TTO uses a different container format? 21:53:23 <Eddi|zuHause> i'd guess rather not 21:53:27 <DaleStan> ... Unlikely, actually. So the TTO team. 21:53:48 <fjb> Me? What about me? Oh, OpenTTD on FreeBSD. Runs great. 21:53:57 <DaleStan> The NFO file format and programming language were invented by Josef and Michael Blunck, and extended and/or improved upon by various members of the TTDPatch and OpenTTD teams. 21:53:58 <Yexo> DaleStan: if I update the nforenum data files, should I only increase the second byte and leave the first one alone? 21:54:42 <DaleStan> I'd recommend making the second match whatever is in the current source. 21:54:43 <Kaas> is there a way to rip the original trainset? 21:55:03 <Ammler> Kaas: yes, nfo 21:55:11 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17363 /trunk/src/ (rail_cmd.cpp road_cmd.cpp vehicle.cpp): -Fix [FS#3163] (r16717): feed autoreplace the front of vehicles, otherwise it gets distracted and bails out 21:55:16 <Ammler> or grfcodoc I guess 21:55:31 <Ammler> e 21:55:39 <Yexo> why match current source? so that if the source is updated my data gets overwritten with the new 'official' data files? 21:55:49 <Kaas> this might be a noob question, where do i find the NFO? 21:55:59 <DaleStan> Kaas: GRFCodec outputs it. 21:56:01 <Eddi|zuHause> Kaas: it is not necessary, the NFO language keeps all default values, you only need to set the things you want changed 21:56:10 <Eddi|zuHause> which is the railtype property 21:56:58 <Kaas> :\ 21:57:27 <Eddi|zuHause> Kaas: i suggest you try to base your efforts on the "origeng.grf", after you read through the NFO tutorial 21:57:28 <DaleStan> Yexo: True. So it depends on how persistent you want your datafiles to be. As long as the first matches and the source-code version of the second is no greater than the file-version, NFORenum will use the the on-disk version. 21:57:54 <Yexo> ok, great 21:57:57 <Eddi|zuHause> (you find the tutorial in the above link) 21:58:08 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Quit: Quit] 21:58:11 <Ammler> Kaas: you could use my logic train as example, it uses the toyland maglev and has a configurable speed 21:59:44 <Ammler> (http://trac.openttdcoop.org/browser/grfdev/logic/makegrf) 21:59:45 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm fairly certain "for all engines, set property <railtype> to <conventional>" can be expressed in one NFO pseudosprite 22:00:15 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 22:01:20 <Ammler> oh, that's all he want :-) 22:01:38 <Kaas> Ammler: that looks simple to edit. Do you have a link for the original train set in NFO? 22:01:42 <DaleStan> Eddi|zuHause: Correct. Plus, of course, sprite 0 and action 8. Total file size will be about 130-150 bytes. 22:01:57 <Ammler> Kaas: original has no nfo, well no pseudo sprites 22:02:02 <DaleStan> Kaas: The original train set in NFO is an empty file. 22:02:08 <Kaas> ;| 22:02:16 <DaleStan> NFO uses the defaults when no other settings are present. 22:02:31 <Kaas> ugh 22:02:37 <Eddi|zuHause> i said that like three times already 22:02:46 <DaleStan> More accurately, NFO uses the defaults unless set otherwise. 22:03:01 <Kaas> and i still cant believe it, eddi :P 22:03:26 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@client-82-27-236-169.brnt.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:04:55 <Kaas> there are just 2 things that i want: original train set, but all trains drive on normal track. 22:05:55 <Eddi|zuHause> exactly, and the first thing requires 0 lines of NFO, the second thing requires 1 line of NFO 22:06:10 <Eddi|zuHause> plus the mandatory things which the tutorial tell you 22:06:14 <Ammler> http://trac.openttdcoop.org/browser/grfdev/earlyhouses/makegrf <-- this nfo does change all original houses in one properity, so you could adapt that to trains. 22:06:29 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 22:06:52 * OwenS notes solaris has a "genunix" module... Genuine Unix? 22:07:22 <OwenS> Why does one need a "genuine unix" module? or is it "general unix?" =S 22:07:24 <Kaas> could i ask from you if you could do that for me? so i dont have to go through the tutorial for 1 line of NFO 22:07:32 <Eddi|zuHause> OwenS: they homephone and tell you when you've got a pirated copy? 22:07:32 <Belugas> mmgh? 22:07:50 <Belugas> ho.. pfffff... running gag... look at me.. i'm a realistic clown 22:07:51 <Rubidium> Belugas: still not home? poor you 22:07:59 <Rubidium> slow Toronto guy :( 22:07:59 <Belugas> nope, still chained 22:08:07 <Belugas> ho he's gone alright... 22:08:08 <Eddi|zuHause> Kaas: no, you won't get anything for free 22:08:19 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:08:23 <Belugas> i'm just trying to get my head up 22:08:28 <Eddi|zuHause> Kaas: you could, however, just replace your 200something trains 22:09:08 <Kaas> i would, if there was a button for it. 22:09:53 <Eddi|zuHause> we have already given you more than any other person who asked for that button 22:10:30 <Eddi|zuHause> it's up to you to follow a few simple steps that already have been layed out for you 22:11:50 <OwenS> w00t. /me may have mplayer + vdpau soon 22:11:57 <Ammler> you could also enable "vehicle never expire" and continue with the trains you have. 22:12:28 <Ammler> or start a new map with start year 2050 22:13:38 <Kaas> k, ill figure it out. thanks for the help ;) 22:14:47 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@227.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 22:18:53 <Belugas> now i'm gone 22:18:55 <Belugas> bye bye 22:19:20 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@5.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 22:20:19 <Rubidium> night Belugas 22:21:40 *** Aankhen`` [~foo@122.162.167.218] has quit [] 22:22:26 <planetmaker> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/383/crashlog.diff <-- it would be nice, if someone could see whether this creates a crash.log on windows 22:26:37 <planetmaker> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/384/crashlog_winlin.diff <-- sorry, better that one :-) It's a patch for OpenTTD r17334 22:26:46 <planetmaker> the first one won't apply on clean trunk ;-) 22:26:58 <Dreamxtreme> i take most of you guys run the nightly 22:27:07 <Dreamxtreme> i take it even 22:28:23 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 22:28:35 <Yexo> planetmaker: there is an fclose missing in CanCreateCrashLog 22:28:43 <planetmaker> hm 22:29:48 *** AC6000 [~AC6000@51-103.186-72.tampabay.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 22:29:51 <planetmaker> you're right :-) 22:29:53 <planetmaker> as usual 22:30:59 <planetmaker> file updated 22:31:18 <Yexo> new url? 22:31:23 <planetmaker> nope :-) 22:31:31 <Yexo> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/384/crashlog_winlin.diff <- gives a 404 22:31:44 <planetmaker> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/385/crashlog_winlin.diff 22:31:52 <planetmaker> meh. it adds numbers to the files :S 22:33:44 <Yexo> it doesn't compile, it needs crash.h as include in os/windows/win32.cpp 22:33:57 <planetmaker> uhm.... yes. 22:33:58 <Yexo> and os/windows/win32.cpp already has GamelogPrintCrashLogProc, so that one has to be commented out 22:34:22 <planetmaker> yes... I could swear I did that... :S 22:37:55 <planetmaker> http://www-public.tu-bs.de/~borstel/crashlog_winlin.diff 22:38:44 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17364 /trunk/src/subsidy_gui.cpp: -Fix (r17356): off by one when selecting a subsidy 22:39:50 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:40:04 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 22:40:25 <planetmaker> ^ again updated :-) 22:40:33 <planetmaker> and now with "permanent" link 22:43:35 * planetmaker is off to bed and wishes a good night here to all 22:44:58 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:56:24 <OwenS> WEEEI! I GOT MPLAYER-VDPAU WORKING ON SOLARIS! :D 22:56:57 <OwenS> Now the only problem I've got is re-encoding the HD XviD some moron created... 22:57:23 <glx> planetmaker: your diff will remove some all windows crash info 23:09:47 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 23:10:54 <AC6000> hey Lakie 23:11:04 <Lakie> 'Morning 23:19:29 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: The opinions that are held with passion are always those for which no good ground exists; indeed the passion is the measure of the holders lack of ration] 23:20:28 *** Kaas [~Stefan@88.159.121.35] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:25:39 <Rubidium> hi Lakie 23:25:39 <Rubidium> night Lakie ;) 23:26:06 <Lakie> Lol, night Rubidium 23:31:20 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-153-19.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:32:55 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77C8F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 23:33:12 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77C5F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:34:21 <Terkhen> good night 23:34:24 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@5.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 23:37:35 *** tdev [~tdev@p508EBED1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:53:59 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.76] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:59:27 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.76] has joined #openttd