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00:01:00 <nicfer> and the inflation there is pretty pretty high 00:06:12 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-168-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 00:21:42 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 00:29:26 <PeterT> hello? 00:29:58 <PeterT> is there a reason why passworded companies aren't passworded at the entry screen, but they are in-game? 00:30:09 <PeterT> (IS2.0-beta3) 00:34:09 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:34:26 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 01:08:58 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFA2E0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:10:31 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:12:23 <nicfer> little suggestion, would be worth adding a setting for choosing amount of primary and secondary industries separately? 01:16:55 <PeterT> when would that be used? 01:16:58 <PeterT> nicfer 01:17:36 <nicfer> what? 01:17:50 <PeterT> <PeterT> when would that be used? 01:18:24 <PeterT> if you know C++ coding, write a patch for it. since your here asking, you probably dont. 01:18:33 <PeterT> try asking tommorow when more developers are up 01:18:41 <PeterT> OpenTTD channels run on european time 01:18:50 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-168-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Goodbye] 01:21:12 *** Chrill [~chrischri@80.216.60.117] has quit [Quit: Katy perry is silly] 01:32:18 *** totalwormage [~worm@89.188.20.118] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:32:18 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:32:36 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 01:33:58 *** fjb_ [~frank@p5485E836.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:35:10 <Belugas> unfortunately, yes, as most of the guys 01:35:27 <Belugas> bloody european time :( 01:36:22 <Belugas> nicfer, as you already know, writing a grf can do exactly that 01:36:30 <Belugas> you don't really need a setting for that 01:36:39 <nicfer> oh 01:36:55 <Belugas> we'll just be adding a double control and then we'll battle over the grf for the control of the creations... 01:37:04 *** totalwormage [~worm@89.188.20.118] has joined #openttd 01:37:05 <Belugas> fun time under the sun and the moon 01:37:33 <nicfer> and for example, can a newgrf modify another newgrf's setting? 01:37:52 <DaleStan> Sometimes. 01:38:52 <Belugas> if you are asking if a grf can modify a industry setting that has been already modified by another grf, that is not possible, due to the way the industries are loaded and installed in the system 01:40:49 *** fjb [~frank@p5485B54F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:43:43 <nicfer> oh, because I was using FIRS 01:45:01 <nicfer> so, I'll have to choice, FIRS or custom number of secondary industries 01:51:48 *** fjb_ is now known as fjb 02:02:55 *** totalwormage [~worm@89.188.20.118] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 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#openttd 07:49:18 *** nicfer1 [~Usuario@168.226.105.61] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:01:16 *** PhoenixII [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:01:20 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: alberth * r17421 /trunk/src/signs_gui.cpp: -Fix (r17418): Don't output debug information in signs list. 08:01:30 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 08:03:11 *** stuffcorpse [~stuffcorp@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 08:20:16 *** nfc [nfc@cable-hvk-fe7ede00-156.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 08:23:47 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g227089096.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 08:39:25 <Yexo> good morning 08:39:32 *** Aankhen`` [~foo@122.162.167.218] has joined #openttd 08:41:15 <Terkhen> good morning Yexo 08:41:26 <Yexo> morning Terkhen 08:50:42 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@client-86-26-243-126.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 08:50:56 *** stuffcorpse [~stuffcorp@121.98.136.241] has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:05:47 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.112.80.175.plusnet.ptn-ag2.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 09:11:25 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.112.80.175.plusnet.ptn-ag2.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 09:12:59 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9111.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 09:15:17 *** stuffcorpse [~stuffcorp@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 09:17:09 * Yexo has a fully functional newgrf airport :) 09:18:03 <Terkhen> wow 09:18:03 <Terkhen> congrats :D 09:19:05 <Rubidium> Yexo: thought of a way how an industry can define an airport? (as per oil rigs) 09:19:48 <Yexo> not yet 09:21:17 *** Mks [~mks@c83-176-234-98.cust.tele2.se] has joined #openttd 09:22:57 <Yexo> http://devs.openttd.org/~yexo/mini_airport.png <- screenshot of airport 09:24:38 <Yexo> s/png/grf/ for the grf and s/png/nfo/ for the code 09:25:07 *** stuffcorpse [~stuffcorp@121.98.136.241] has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:28:06 <Xaroth> oo diagonal airfields 09:34:18 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@79.88.141.156] has joined #openttd 09:35:57 <Grelouk> guys, what's the option to use CTRL + click to build stations ? 09:36:55 <Alberth> huh? just hold CTRL while you click to build a station 09:37:22 <Yexo> the setting is called "distant join" 09:43:54 <Terkhen> Yexo: I compiled NewGRF airports to see the mini airport at work... it's incredible :D 09:44:04 <Yexo> thanks :) 09:46:26 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.112.80.175.plusnet.ptn-ag2.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 09:48:12 *** TrueBrain_ is now known as TrueBrain 09:53:00 *** oskari89 [oskari89@212-149-207-211.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 10:12:24 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #openttd 10:19:17 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has joined #openttd 10:23:07 *** Polygon [~Poly@p54B46C5C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:44:54 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 10:53:40 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: alberth * r17422 /trunk/src/signs_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Remove magic constants and compute vertical minimal size of the sign list window. 10:54:44 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.112.80.175.plusnet.ptn-ag2.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 10:56:54 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.16.205.125] has joined #openttd 11:03:03 *** Nickman87 [~nick.defr@7.200-243-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:04:26 *** Brianetta [~brian@212.183.134.66] has joined #openttd 11:06:36 *** Timmaexx [~tim@port-92-201-70-171.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 11:11:04 *** Dreamxtreme_ [~chatzilla@93-97-81-59.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:16:38 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9111.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:20:14 *** Brianetta [~brian@212.183.134.66] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:22:51 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aeiz104.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 11:27:40 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: alberth * r17423 /trunk/src/ (industry_gui.cpp lang/english.txt town_gui.cpp): -Fix [FS#3174]: Show '- None -' with empty town or industry list, and use that text in the size computation as well. 11:33:39 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: alberth * r17424 /trunk/src/lang/english.txt: -Change: Unify 'list is empty' strings of the windows to '- None -'. 11:36:15 <TrueBrain> go Alberth, go Alberth 11:37:54 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@79.88.141.156] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:39:32 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Quit: ecke] 11:41:19 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 11:42:26 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-152-158.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 11:43:01 * Alberth must first invent new changes :( 11:46:46 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-213.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #openttd 11:51:39 *** PhoenixII [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 11:51:39 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:55:27 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Quit: bye] 12:11:33 *** Brianetta [~brian@212.183.134.66] has joined #openttd 12:15:48 *** Polygon [~Poly@p54B46C5C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 12:15:52 *** stuffcorpse [~stuffcorp@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 12:16:46 *** Nickman_87 [~nick.defr@253.196-243-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #openttd 12:17:59 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 12:22:08 *** Nickman_87 [~nick.defr@253.196-243-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [] 12:32:04 *** Brianetta [~brian@212.183.134.66] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:33:16 *** Timmaexx [~tim@port-92-201-70-171.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 12:34:34 *** zachanima [~zach@50A2FFAA.flatrate.dk] has joined #openttd 12:34:41 *** zachanima [~zach@50A2FFAA.flatrate.dk] has quit [] 12:35:24 *** zachanima [~zach@50A2FFAA.flatrate.dk] has joined #openttd 12:35:34 <zachanima> there we go 12:35:36 <zachanima> hello 12:41:25 <SmatZ> hello\ 12:41:31 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.112.80.175.plusnet.ptn-ag2.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 13:03:24 *** zachanima [~zach@50A2FFAA.flatrate.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:05:15 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has quit [Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: , sources date: 20090115, built on: 2009/03/07 00:45:02 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/] 13:11:17 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-213.prem.tmns.net.au] has quit [Quit: I'll get you next episode, Inspector Gadget! NEXT EPISODE!] 13:13:05 <TrueBrain> blub 13:13:06 <TrueBrain> blub 13:15:26 <fjb> platsch 13:23:51 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:24:16 <Rubidium> huh, the new K3 member is German? 13:24:36 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 13:24:37 <TrueBrain> LOL 13:25:05 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: the use of LOL/lol has been superceded by ... 13:25:17 <fjb> K3? 13:26:49 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: what suprises me most, is that you follow such news 13:26:54 <TrueBrain> or rather: scares me to dead 13:27:10 <Rubidium> I thought 'blub' was a mention to K3 13:27:23 <TrueBrain> oh, lol, no, it was not 13:27:29 <TrueBrain> I said that before they sang about it 13:27:30 <Rubidium> fjb: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPAXQh-rOHU 13:38:22 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has joined #openttd 13:40:28 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:f15f:3c79:31f1:5135] has joined #openttd 13:40:31 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:42:18 *** Luukland [~Luukland@s559031d6.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 13:42:34 <Luukland> When I am the server owner, how can I join every company in my game? 13:42:43 <Luukland> (even when they have set a pass) :P 13:42:46 <Luukland> Hi btw :D 13:42:52 <TrueBrain> you can only be in one company at the time, sorry 13:43:09 <Luukland> of course, but I mean when I want to join a passworded company 13:43:14 <Luukland> and I am server owner 13:43:26 <TrueBrain> remove the password and join :) 13:43:37 <Luukland> Ah how to remove the password? :D 13:43:53 <TrueBrain> save the game and load it? Maybe there is a consoel command for it too :p 13:44:07 <Luukland> Hmmm reset_password ID maybe :p 13:44:19 <Rubidium> there's also a command to force-move someone 13:44:26 <Rubidium> so join as spectator and use that 13:44:35 <Luukland> Ok I am now in my server a spectator :p 13:44:51 <Luukland> I have tried "rcon pass "join 1"" 13:44:58 <Luukland> But it said password protected 13:45:03 <Rubidium> you need move 13:45:09 <Luukland> move ok :P 13:45:12 <Luukland> Let me try now :) 13:45:33 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Quit: Quit] 13:45:44 <Luukland> Ah it worked :D 13:45:54 <TrueBrain> of course; Rubidium suggested it :) 13:46:07 *** MizardX [MizardX@h-28-236.A159.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:46:29 <Luukland> :P Thx guys :P 13:46:37 <Luukland> Now I can controll my server better ^^ 13:46:42 <Luukland> (its top of the list :P) 13:46:53 <Luukland> Thx for your help Rubidium and TrueBrain :) 13:46:57 <Luukland> Good day to you! 13:46:58 *** MizardX [MizardX@h-28-236.A159.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 13:46:59 *** Luukland [~Luukland@s559031d6.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [] 13:48:56 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 13:50:22 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fede2.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 13:52:58 *** voker57 [~voker57@85.175.11.189] has joined #openttd 13:53:43 <voker57> i've downloaded ECS pack, which added Fish industries, but I can see no vehicle that can carry Fish... Any ideas? 13:55:19 <frosch123> install a vehicle "pack" that can 13:55:38 <voker57> which pack has those? 13:55:51 <voker57> i've installed all "ECS" packs 13:56:24 <frosch123> which vehicle sets are you using currently? 13:56:28 <glx> ECS are industries only 13:57:24 <voker57> frosch123: http://dump.bitcheese.net/images/html/dihyxum/grfs.png.html 13:57:34 <voker57> http://dump.bitcheese.net/images/dihyxum/grfs.png * 13:58:08 <frosch123> temperate oil wells won't work with ecs 13:58:34 <frosch123> so basically you have not loaded any vehicle newgrfs 13:58:44 <frosch123> then install "old wagons - new cargos" 13:58:56 <frosch123> iirc it is in the ingame download 14:04:16 <voker57> seems to work, thank you 14:06:53 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Quit: Quit] 14:08:17 <voker57> no it doesn't 14:08:32 <Eddi|zuHause> gnah, these things derail all over the place :( 14:08:43 <voker57> just showed "refittable to all but..." but there's no Fish still 14:09:04 <Eddi|zuHause> have you tried refitting? 14:09:14 <voker57> yep, no Fish in list 14:09:23 <voker57> i tried on Cargo ships 14:10:01 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, i don't know if this covers ships at all 14:10:20 <Eddi|zuHause> did you try wagons? 14:10:31 <voker57> yes 14:11:07 <Eddi|zuHause> then i can't help you. 14:12:27 *** Dreamxtreme [~chatzilla@93-97-81-59.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:17:34 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.112.80.175.plusnet.ptn-ag2.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:18:32 <voker57> looks like there's just no transport for fish 14:20:12 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.64.182.plusnet.pte-ag2.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 14:20:20 *** KritiK_ [~Maxim@78-106-218-9.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 14:21:03 <voker57> is there any addons with ships? 14:21:25 <Eddi|zuHause> thousands of people have successfully transported fish somehow... 14:22:18 <voker57> mystery 14:22:39 <frosch123> well, refridgerated cargo seems to be most troublesome to transport 14:22:43 <voker57> i tried 'food' but apparently fish isn't food 14:25:13 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-152-158.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:25:16 *** KritiK_ is now known as KritiK 14:27:28 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 14:28:19 <voker57> ok i've done something and now i can carry fish with trains 14:28:41 <voker57> thoght the idea of delivering fish from ships by tains seems weird to me 14:30:36 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 14:38:00 <Eddi|zuHause> ship development was neglected for quite some time 14:38:28 <Eddi|zuHause> you could try the "newships" set, and the matching "newships-ecs-extension" 14:38:42 <Eddi|zuHause> though they are not on the content service 14:39:48 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't know if the "2cc ships" set is ready yet 14:40:09 <Eddi|zuHause> but the "FISH" set certainly isn't 14:41:22 <Eddi|zuHause> grr... i hate broken plastic pieces, they are impossible to repair 14:42:22 <frosch123> what did you do to your keyboard :o 14:42:46 <TrueBrain> you should not recycle condoms 14:42:55 <Dreamxtreme> :P 14:45:15 <SmatZ> :-D 14:47:43 <voker57> ok, New Ships does it 14:49:11 <Eddi|zuHause> since when are condoms made of plastic? 14:54:22 *** Mks [~mks@c83-176-234-98.cust.tele2.se] has quit [] 14:56:03 <Pikka> since last week! or possibly not. 14:59:55 <SmatZ> rapex 15:00:08 <SmatZ> chuck norris uses it 15:00:24 <TrueBrain> he shoots, he scores 15:01:29 <SmatZ> :) 15:06:38 <frosch123> what's the value of 10kg wood briquettes? 15:06:54 <TrueBrain> 2 sheep 15:07:14 *** zachanima [~zach@50A2FFAA.flatrate.dk] has joined #openttd 15:07:54 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 15:09:09 <Eddi|zuHause> what the heck do you do with 10kg wood? 15:10:24 <zachanima> build a shack? 15:10:33 <frosch123> my regional electricity supplier offered me today to invest into their power plant for an interest rate of about 3% and 10kg wood (which is some product of the plant) per 1000EUR investment. 15:11:28 <TrueBrain> via email? :p 15:11:38 <Eddi|zuHause> can't be more than 5EUR or something... 15:11:39 <frosch123> no, by letter 15:11:50 <frosch123> they are serious about that :) 15:12:52 <frosch123> hmm, less than 3% 15:12:53 <Eddi|zuHause> but really... burning 10kg wood is not going to last very long... 15:14:27 <frosch123> at least wood briquette 15:14:40 <frosch123> no "pure" wood 15:14:46 <TrueBrain> I am suprised nobody requested OpenTTD to push the commits to twitter :p 15:15:27 <Eddi|zuHause> 1m? wood ~ 68EUR 15:15:27 <frosch123> isn't twitter famous for reporting stuff before the official news? 15:15:43 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: and what is the rho of wood? 15:15:47 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: lmao ;) 15:16:07 <TrueBrain> frosch123: ghehe :) If it is faster than CIA (which it undoubtly is) that even holds ;) 15:16:23 <TrueBrain> I can get some tea and return, before CIA reports a commit :p 15:17:19 <Eddi|zuHause> TrueBrain: i don't know, apparently, wood is sold by volume (as is oil, fuel, etc.) 15:20:13 <frosch123> 275EUR per 1000kg, so basically 0.275% rate 15:20:29 <Pikka> andythenorth: great minds think alike, I was just working on something similar :o 15:20:50 <frosch123> then they actually reach 3%, but i cannot burn wood here 15:20:54 <voker57> hmm now Fishing Grounds don't grow, just produce like 6 units of fish per month and don't offload it 15:21:14 <voker57> i deliver lots of passengers for them, looks like they don't need anything else 15:21:35 <frosch123> [17:22] <voker57> i deliver lots of passengers for them, looks like they don't need anything else <- feeding the fish with passengers :o 15:21:54 <voker57> looks like those passengers just fish for fun 15:22:01 <Eddi|zuHause> soylent fish ;) 15:22:09 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: ^^ "But the FISH set isn't"....I'm working on costs, there'll be a basic release of FISH soon 15:22:29 <andythenorth> ...featuring a limited range of fully finished graphics. I'll comment out the rest 15:23:12 <andythenorth> Pikka: what do you think of those costs? 15:24:41 <frosch123> btw. andythenorth: if you are not heading for cb 36 capacity, an actionD computing "param 2 = param 1 * (default capacity)" followed by an action6 to store the capacity in the following aciton 0 should be enough 15:25:36 <frosch123> well, and a actionD at the beginning to set a default value for param 1 15:25:51 <Pikka> I don't know, andy... I find it hard to visualise the costs in pounds.. I just use arbitrary numbers and then weight them to appropriate values when testing. 15:28:44 <andythenorth> frosch123: thanks. I might need a CB36 solution, but not sure yet 15:30:00 <frosch123> then var 7f :) 15:31:34 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-168-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 15:36:13 <andythenorth> frosch123: valid action D? http://paste.openttd.org/216741 15:37:18 <frosch123> that copies param 2 to param 0 15:37:55 <andythenorth> (embarassed) 15:39:04 <frosch123> -1 * -1 0D 00 80 FF 00 \d 2 <- that would initialise param 0 with a default of 2, when the user did not supply one 15:39:55 <frosch123> -1 * -1 0D 01 \Du* 00 FF \d 10000 <- that computes param1 = param0 * 10000 15:40:34 <frosch123> then you can write param1 into the capacity action0 using action6 15:40:41 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 15:41:17 <frosch123> and get a default capacity of 2*10000 which can be halfed by setting param0 to 1 or multiplied by 10 by setting param0 to 20 15:41:36 <frosch123> and get a bugreport if someone sets param0 to 0 :p 15:42:02 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 15:43:02 <frosch123> [17:38] <frosch123> that copies param 2 to param 0 <- well it was param1, but no constant 2 :) 15:48:19 <Pikka> andythenorth: you haz a pm 15:48:45 <andythenorth> I also haz a renum fail with the action D: invalid character " ". 15:49:10 <andythenorth> that would be action D but the emoticon kicked in 15:51:30 <frosch123> if you copied that one from me, sometimes i accidently type nbsp 15:52:35 <Pikka> oops, that should be "the highlighted "02"" @ pm. 15:54:08 *** PhoenixII [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:54:29 <andythenorth> frosch123: yep probably the nbsp, retyping it cleared that up. 15:54:30 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 15:54:35 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.76] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:54:53 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.76] has joined #openttd 15:55:54 <andythenorth> Pikka: interesting costs. 15:56:50 <Pikka> they're fairly quickly made up... ^^; 15:57:39 <andythenorth> Pikka: similar approach to mine, but more detail. My 'fixed run cost' is based on number of crew and a fudge factor 15:57:58 <andythenorth> nfo looks useful, but I am currently having nfo brain fail 15:58:15 <andythenorth> Pikka: fancy coming FISHing? 15:58:29 <andythenorth> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository 15:59:41 <PeterT> andythenorth, which is the newest version? 16:00:08 <frosch123> PeterT: HEAD 16:01:03 <andythenorth> PeterT: whatever the forum thread says...find the most recent post mentioning a grf, or Ammler might stick the link to nightly builds here 16:07:56 *** Pikka is now known as Pikka|afk 16:22:40 *** PeterT is now known as Peter 16:22:58 *** Peter is now known as PeterT 16:23:24 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Quit: Quit] 16:25:34 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 16:28:44 <Eddi|zuHause> did anyone ever think about a concept to make vehicle names depend on current date? (afair that is currently not possible) 16:29:35 <frosch123> anything particularry in mind with that? 16:29:55 <frosch123> i cannot think about anything sane :) 16:31:36 <PeterT> @seen yorick 16:31:36 <DorpsGek> PeterT: yorick was last seen in #openttd 6 weeks, 3 days, 19 hours, 40 minutes, and 49 seconds ago: <yorick> also, don't listen to me 16:31:55 <PeterT> @seen mega 16:31:55 <DorpsGek> PeterT: I have not seen mega. 16:32:42 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: what do you have in mind? I've done model names based on date. 16:34:00 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.188.212] has joined #openttd 16:34:17 <PeterT> !password 16:34:18 *** PeterT was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [Wrong channel. Retry in #openttdcoop.] 16:34:43 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123, andythenorth: for example the DB, which changed the naming scheme of the vehicles in the 1960's (e.g. "E 94" to "194") 16:34:55 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-168-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 16:36:22 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@77-98-181-187.cable.ubr13.pres.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:36:54 <frosch123> ah, i see and the very old before br stuff 16:37:05 <frosch123> 1920 and such 16:37:15 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, L?nderbahn vs. Reichsbahn 16:37:43 <Eddi|zuHause> when i asked MB about this, he said that was not possible 16:37:59 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@77-98-181-187.cable.ubr13.pres.blueyonder.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 16:38:28 <frosch123> well, is is possible if you save and reload the game inbetween :p 16:38:46 <Eddi|zuHause> that is not an optimal solution :p 16:39:08 <andythenorth> how does vehicle cost factor work? It looks like crazy talk to me 16:39:09 <andythenorth> http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=Action0Trains#Cost_factor_17_ 16:39:22 <andythenorth> 01 is 3.124, but 10 is 50000.00 16:39:40 <andythenorth> but FF is only 796.874 16:39:49 <frosch123> @calc 50000/16 16:39:49 <DorpsGek> frosch123: 3125 16:39:55 <andythenorth> someone please tell me I've misunderstood the decimal... 16:39:59 <frosch123> @calc 796874/255 16:39:59 <DorpsGek> frosch123: 3124.99607843 16:40:02 *** Polygon [~Poly@p54B46C5C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:40:03 <frosch123> what's the problem? 16:40:27 <andythenorth> think it's a problem with national conventions about decimals / comma thousands 16:40:27 <Eddi|zuHause> misinterpretation of "." probably ;) 16:40:31 <frosch123> ah, yes "." is a thousand separator here :p 16:40:47 <andythenorth> :D 16:40:49 <frosch123> " " is the only acceptable thousands-separator for me 16:40:54 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.221.52] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:41:11 <andythenorth> that's good because I would have need a word for cost factor and I only get a byte 16:41:12 <Ammler> TTRS does also change the roads with this "ugly" way. 16:41:38 <Ammler> on a MP server you have the old roads after 2000, still. 16:41:54 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: yes, and that's why it would not be acceptible 16:42:02 <Ammler> fully agree :-) 16:42:26 <Ammler> would it need so much more cpu, that it is done that way? 16:42:45 <Ammler> or just wrong coded? 16:42:49 <Eddi|zuHause> so, back to my original question: what would be necessary to get a fully dynamic way of assigning names to models? 16:43:17 <Eddi|zuHause> like a name callback or so 16:43:19 <frosch123> Ammler: it's the only way to it with the available newgrf specs :) 16:44:01 <Ammler> but you could run the Action 7/9 once per year or something 16:44:03 <Eddi|zuHause> it can't be significantly more problematic than any graphics callback 16:44:10 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: there is already a callback for the details of industries and vehicles and for house tiles 16:44:46 <frosch123> Ammler: no, action7/9 is only on load, and that will never change :) 16:45:25 <Ammler> or the function, which is runned, while loading or grf change. 16:45:33 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: it would need varaction 2 support for rail- and roadtypes 16:46:15 <zachanima> hrm. It seems like Windows 7 is not the ideal compile environment 16:46:16 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: for engine names, just code it :p 16:46:32 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: so, how can this be done? 16:46:35 <Ammler> frosch123: that is because of the specs or technical issues? 16:46:50 <frosch123> Ammler: technical 16:47:06 <frosch123> well, both 16:48:03 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: grep for string_id, and replace every occurence with a new method of Engine 16:48:36 <Ammler> hmm, maybe we should just make autopilot to reload the game from time to time. 16:48:42 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: afaik that wouldn't even work, because it was a desync hazard when the action 7/9 were treated differently at any point during the game 16:48:43 <frosch123> then copy the needed stuff from GetTileDesc_Town and apply it to engines 16:49:31 <andythenorth> default ship purchase costs are lower than train purchase costs by a factor of 6.15....any way to change the cost base? 16:49:40 <andythenorth> without screwing with other grfs... 16:49:53 <frosch123> _cur_year = _settings_game.game_creation.starting_year; <- Ammler: save/load won't work in multiplayer either 16:49:58 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: you'll screw with other ship grfs 16:50:22 <Eddi|zuHause> there is no way around that, except for (finally) extending the cost variable size 16:50:38 <Eddi|zuHause> afair that was planned for grf version 8 16:50:58 <Eddi|zuHause> or not possible at all, don't know 16:51:41 <frosch123> andythenorth: use action0 feature 08 property 08 16:51:53 <andythenorth> frosch123: thanks, reading the docs now 16:51:56 <frosch123> will apply to all ships for now, but will likely become grf-local at some point 16:52:12 <andythenorth> okey dokey. There's not exactly an armada of ship sets right now 16:52:47 <Eddi|zuHause> well, it's the same problem for train sets and rv sets 16:54:09 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@77-98-181-187.cable.ubr13.pres.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:54:35 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@77-98-181-187.cable.ubr13.pres.blueyonder.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 16:54:46 <Ammler> [18:52] <frosch123> will apply to all ships for now, but will likely become grf-local at some point <-- sure, petern and belugas were always against. 16:55:07 <Ammler> that would be quite cool :-) 16:55:28 <frosch123> Ammler: it's always the "how" that matters 16:57:12 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... google.de has a different icon than google.com 16:57:44 <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.google.de/logos/go_gle.gif 16:58:01 <frosch123> is there some ufo day today? 16:58:32 <Eddi|zuHause> i have no idea, if you click it, it only comes up with articles about "wtf is going on with the google image?" 16:58:37 <frosch123> oh, it's more like a joke 16:59:09 <frosch123> exactly, "wtf" is kind of equivalent to "ufo" :) 17:00:24 *** ecke [~ecke@mail2.zelena.cz] has joined #openttd 17:01:36 <_ln> was bedeutet "R?tselhaftes"? 17:01:42 <frosch123> the first result says zero-wing-day :) 17:02:03 <frosch123> "puzzling" 17:02:10 <_ln> ok 17:03:42 <andythenorth> meh, what silly mistake have I made now: http://paste.openttd.org/216742 17:03:49 <andythenorth> at least I can draw... 17:04:49 <TrueBrain> orudge: don't you just love what reddog barks all the time? :) I really can't make sense of this guy .. 17:05:20 <frosch123> andythenorth: put the 13 where the 00 is 17:06:18 <orudge> heh 17:06:31 * orudge is working on a single sign-on system for tt-forums, by the way 17:06:37 <frosch123> TrueBrain: i only encountered one post of him, is that because you delete all :p 17:06:37 <orudge> albeit not one that is compatible with OpenTTD I'm afraid :p 17:06:59 <orudge> although technically I suppose you could write some sort of wrapper that exposes an LDAP interface if you really wanted ;) 17:07:07 <TrueBrain> frosch123: I delete what now? 17:07:35 <TrueBrain> orudge: too bad you do that on your own; would have been nice if we could have combined tt-forums with openttd 17:07:45 <orudge> well 17:07:58 <orudge> integrating LDAP properly with the forums would involve rather a lot more effort it seems 17:08:02 <orudge> phpBB has basic LDAP support 17:08:04 <orudge> but it's not very good 17:08:28 <Eddi|zuHause> orudge: i'd rather have a useful ignore feature 17:08:32 <orudge> it would of course be quite possible to integrate this new system with openttd, but then you'd have to redo all your stuff, so I can understand you might not want to do that ;) 17:09:01 <TrueBrain> orudge: well, the validation-stuff against phpBB plainly suck :) 17:10:26 <TrueBrain> I wonder how LDAP support can be bad btw :) It only validates a username + password :p 17:10:31 <orudge> well 17:10:36 <orudge> the issue is with things like registering accounts on the forums 17:10:45 <orudge> phpBB apparently just registers an account anyway in its own database 17:10:47 <orudge> ignoring the LDAP 17:10:56 <TrueBrain> FlySpray _did_ that too :p hehe :) 17:10:58 <orudge> so one would need to work around that 17:11:01 <TrueBrain> such fixes are relative easy ;) 17:11:24 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DF5DA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:11:31 <orudge> generally speaking, I prefer not to modify phpBB where I can avoid it, if only because it is then a pain when upgrading 17:11:44 <orudge> but, well 17:11:48 <orudge> this system isn't finalised 17:11:53 <TrueBrain> for mediawiki I just disabled registring, and made the link point to the account signup :) 17:11:55 <orudge> I'm experimenting at the moment mainly 17:11:57 <orudge> mmh 17:12:18 <orudge> well, that could be something I could do the forums too 17:13:55 <TrueBrain> either way, what do you use for SSO? 17:15:14 <TrueBrain> (if you really mean with SSO that if you signon to the forums, you are signed on to all the systems using the SSO :p) 17:15:25 <orudge> well 17:15:32 <TrueBrain> SSO and CAS (Centralized Authorization System) are 2 confusing terms I noticed for a lot of people ;) 17:15:34 <orudge> it's SSO for all the third-party sites, but not actually the forums, at the moment :P 17:15:37 <orudge> Effectively, it's a relatively simple RPC system whereby the user details are authenticated over an HTTPS link, a web service if you like to call it that 17:16:01 <TrueBrain> via what? A cookie doesn't survive cross-domain? 17:17:06 <orudge> well, the cookie is stored on a tt-forums subdomain, and when beginning a session on the third-party site, it is redirected to the login.tt-forums.net which checks the cookie, updates the internal session, and redirects back. 17:17:22 <TrueBrain> nice :) 17:17:25 <orudge> the redirect can be done away with, but then it's just shared authentication, and not SSO ;) 17:17:30 <TrueBrain> what I do miss in SSO world, is a good standard :( 17:17:34 <orudge> mmh 17:17:47 <TrueBrain> most software don't have off-stock solutions for SSO 17:17:49 <orudge> there's always Microsoft Passport ;) 17:17:49 <TrueBrain> (only for CAS) 17:17:58 <TrueBrain> we were talking about a STANDARD! 17:18:01 <orudge> haha 17:18:01 <orudge> :p 17:18:06 <TrueBrain> :) 17:18:33 <PeterT> does OpenTTD always crash when disabling multiple newgrf engine sets, in-game? 17:19:55 <TrueBrain> orudge: my problem is this for flyspray for example: flyspray needs a very .. well .. weird combination of cookies set .. this means the SSO needs to know about this somehow in order to set those :( 17:20:02 <orudge> mmh 17:20:36 <orudge> my system is mainly intended for third-party web sites that have been specifically designed with this in mind (eg, the Repository, or Xeryus's new site, or GRFCrawler) 17:20:52 <Eddi|zuHause> <TrueBrain> we were talking about a STANDARD! <- hey, microsoft does have standards! 17:20:53 <orudge> things like mediawiki (for the rarely-used tt-forums wiki) I'll probably look into 17:20:56 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: my ass 17:21:05 <Eddi|zuHause> it doesn't stick to its own standards, though :p 17:21:09 <TrueBrain> mediawiki has a simpler set of cookies, so I guess the SSO can set that more easy 17:21:14 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Quit: Quit] 17:21:38 <Eddi|zuHause> there's a tt-forums wiki? 17:22:55 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 17:24:21 <Eddi|zuHause> gnarf... kate -u always picks the wrong kate... 17:24:21 <TrueBrain> orudge: the other solution I have found for flyspray in this example, is to let the SSO return a cookie a new piece of code inside FS knows, and then runs the normal authentication which always results in 'true' 17:24:42 <TrueBrain> this only is very dangerous, as a user can just set that cookie 'returned' from the SSO, and thereby test many accounts 17:24:53 <TrueBrain> which means you need to add a 'attempt' counter on the FS side ... 17:26:59 <orudge> TrueBrain: mmh 17:27:04 <orudge> Eddi|zuHause: http://wiki.tt-forums.net/ 17:27:08 <orudge> it's mainly used for meet organisation these days :p 17:29:07 <frosch123> [19:25] <Eddi|zuHause> gnarf... kate -u always picks the wrong kate... <- use -p 17:29:28 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: yes, but that involves looking up the pid first ;) 17:29:30 *** Pikka|afk [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:30:12 <Eddi|zuHause> also, i thought i had only one kate open, but that was apparently not true, and i spent time searching where it now actually opened the file :p 17:30:38 <TrueBrain> euh .. how un-ordered can your desktop possibly be? 17:31:08 <frosch123> yeah, boot more often :p 17:38:29 *** Polygon [~Poly@p54B46C5C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:44:49 *** `Fuco`` [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 17:45:42 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r17425 /trunk/src/lang/ (9 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) 17:45:42 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:42 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: arabic_egypt - 7 changes by kasakg 17:45:42 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: catalan - 3 changes by arnau 17:45:42 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: traditional_chinese - 2 changes by josesun 17:45:44 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: french - 4 changes by glx 17:45:44 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: indonesian - 5 changes by prof 17:48:30 *** Aankhen`` [~foo@122.162.167.218] has quit [] 17:51:45 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:51:53 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g228017000.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 17:59:26 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g227089096.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:59:26 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 18:04:46 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 18:08:13 <andythenorth> should freight ships refit to mail? 18:08:38 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, why not? 18:08:58 <frosch123> well, a ship with 500 tons of mail looks silly 18:09:13 <Eddi|zuHause> well, mail need not only be letters 18:09:23 <Alberth> cars! 18:09:25 <Xaroth> packages 18:09:54 <frosch123> so I would suggest to only allow small ships to transport mail :) 18:09:55 <Alberth> yeah, nice ribbon around the car, and post it :p 18:09:58 <Eddi|zuHause> ideally, there would be "container" vehicles, and ships carry containers 18:10:09 <andythenorth> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Venezia0750UPS.jpg 18:10:10 *** Zuu [Zuu@c-0cf4e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 18:11:06 <andythenorth> http://www.flickr.com/photos/dsifry/2244559389/ 18:11:17 <andythenorth> ^^ but those are rather different to an 800t coaster 18:11:29 <andythenorth> I think no to mail on most of the freight ships 18:11:52 <andythenorth> which means I'm done for today, and about to stick a new release of FISH on the forums 18:11:54 <Eddi|zuHause> there is absolutely no limitation what can be in containers 18:11:59 <andythenorth> with running costs etc 18:12:23 <Eddi|zuHause> i'd suggest all freight ships that carry goods to be refittable to mail 18:12:23 *** Pikka|afk [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has joined #openttd 18:12:28 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: how about a container ship then 18:12:35 <frosch123> *in the container 18:16:21 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:16:28 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 18:17:15 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:17:22 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 18:18:46 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: I'll think about the mail thing. Refitting to mail is not possible in the release I've just shipped... 18:18:47 *** ecke [~ecke@mail2.zelena.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:19:18 *** R0b0t1 [~Enigma@64-136-216-213.dyn.everestkc.net] has joined #openttd 18:19:35 *** R0b0t1 [~Enigma@64-136-216-213.dyn.everestkc.net] has quit [] 18:19:50 *** R0b0t1 [~Enigma@64-136-216-213.dyn.everestkc.net] has joined #openttd 18:20:42 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@156.141.88-79.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 18:21:32 *** Polygon [~Poly@p54B46C5C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:24:00 <Pikka|afk> we need combi ships.. passengers and freight :) 18:24:33 <Eddi|zuHause> and cars/railwagons ;) 18:25:17 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:25:32 <Pikka|afk> you can already do it with cars/railwagons 18:25:38 <Ammler> Pikka|afk: how do you chat here without beeing at the keyboard? 18:26:08 <Eddi|zuHause> BCI! 18:26:14 <Eddi|zuHause> you don't have one of those? 18:26:19 <Ammler> :-) 18:26:38 <Pikka|afk> maybe... maybe... 18:27:13 *** Pikka|afk is now known as Pikka 18:31:49 <frosch123> yeah and timber-rafts as articulated ships 18:32:05 <frosch123> but they only work in rivers 18:33:53 <andythenorth> we do need combi ships D: 18:33:55 *** ecke [~ecke@mail2.zelena.cz] has joined #openttd 18:34:13 <andythenorth> timber rafts are coming, but not articulated 18:34:49 <andythenorth> I've trashed a couple of the canal boats from FISH because they won't look good without articulation 18:40:07 <fjb> But ships are not really articulated... 18:40:46 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, they are 18:41:00 <Eddi|zuHause> especially river ships 18:41:54 <Eddi|zuHause> but also ocean cruisers while they maneuver in a harbour 18:42:21 <fjb> They "bend"? 18:42:34 <Eddi|zuHause> no, they get a small ship attached 18:42:58 <fjb> Ah, tug boats. I didn't count that as articulated vehicle. 18:44:49 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@client-86-26-243-126.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.2/20090729225027]] 18:50:55 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.64.182.plusnet.pte-ag2.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 18:52:23 *** Polygon [~Poly@p54B46C5C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:54:00 *** Zuu [Zuu@c-0cf4e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:55:05 <Pikka> interesting start sound on the ships :) 18:55:55 *** green-devil [~l@d40a9d9f.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #openttd 18:56:12 *** LadyHawk [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: [24/8][22:50:18] <@DaZeD> when they invent that device to bitchslap peeps over TCP/IP... I'm SO pre-ordering] 18:58:10 *** LadyHawk [asfd@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:59:09 *** green-devil [~l@d40a9d9f.rev.stofanet.dk] has left #openttd [] 19:01:36 <fjb> Hm, when I add the new fish grf to a running game, will it reise the base costs too? Or will that only happen when it was added before the game started? 19:01:54 <fjb> And are there plans to add a long format for prices? 19:01:55 <frosch123> currently only on game start 19:02:24 <frosch123> "plans" :p there are plans for everything :p 19:02:28 <Ammler> afaik, you need to go over scenario editor, but that might remove the vehicels. 19:02:47 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r17426 /trunk/src/economy.cpp: -Fix (r1): economy recession would never end when economy is set to Steady while in recession 19:03:02 <Ammler> r1 fix :-) 19:03:33 <PeterT> Pikka? whats the link to your wiki on making a grf? 19:03:46 <SmatZ> most likely TTD-fix ;) 19:06:21 <Pikka> I have a wiki on making a grf? 19:06:44 <Pikka> http://users.tt-forums.net/pikka/wiki/index.php?title=GRF_coding 19:07:19 <frosch123> hmm, debugging debug-code is annoying :( 19:09:53 <PeterT> thanks Pikka 19:10:05 <frosch123> hmm, oh, it's correct 19:10:43 <frosch123> TrueBrain: what did you do with the regression savegame :o 19:10:50 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:12:51 <Pikka> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=45024 19:12:58 <Pikka> there's nothing worse than strained plants... D: 19:13:30 <PeterT> ;) 19:14:24 *** BaronChaos [~BaronChao@p5B268161.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:18:43 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.64.182.plusnet.pte-ag2.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 19:19:52 <TrueBrain> frosch123: why do you blame me for everything? :'( 19:20:06 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:20:16 <frosch123> you totally messed up the prices, didn't you? :) 19:20:44 <TrueBrain> why did I do that? :'( 19:21:01 <TrueBrain> blame the right person! I wouldn't dare to touch those things :) There is someone much more knowledgeable about such thingies :) 19:21:12 <frosch123> you gain money for removing and building stuff :) 19:21:17 <TrueBrain> first you blame me for removing posts which I never did, now this :'( 19:21:26 <TrueBrain> that you do :) Else the regression can't run :) 19:21:41 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:21:52 <TrueBrain> but RB was so kind to make those .. alterations :) 19:21:58 <PeterT> TrueBrain: could you lock this topic, http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=7491&start=0 19:22:08 <frosch123> ah rb is the evil guy :) 19:22:20 <TrueBrain> PeterT: you ever noticed the little red ! 19:22:21 <TrueBrain> use it 19:22:40 <PeterT> i was just about to say something about that 19:23:17 <PeterT> i dont want to report the post 19:24:41 <PeterT> ok, i reported it 19:25:08 <TrueBrain> you don't want to report it, but you want me to take care of it .. 19:25:09 <frosch123> vurlix signature is quite outdated 19:25:10 <TrueBrain> that makes sense 19:25:53 <Ammler> complain about someone who digged old threads is like answering to spam. 19:26:09 <Ammler> specially, if you aren't the first. 19:27:22 <Ammler> easier would be to write a PM and ask for deleting... 19:27:45 <TrueBrain> Ammler: for that we have a Report function inn the forum, yes 19:27:56 <Ammler> TrueBrain: I meant complain in the thread. 19:28:01 <fjb> There is nothing wrong about digging old threads if there is a reason for doing that. 19:28:27 <Ammler> fjb: you think "what?" is a reason? 19:28:42 <fjb> No, I think that is no reason. 19:29:39 *** nicfer [~Usuario@168.226.105.31] has joined #openttd 19:30:59 <Eddi|zuHause> grr... enough looking at ebay for things i can't afford anyway 19:31:50 <fjb> Model railway stuff? 19:32:04 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah 19:32:19 <Eddi|zuHause> these things are darn expensive 19:32:42 <fjb> Yes. :-( 19:33:59 <PeterT> does compiling take this long for everyone? 19:34:10 <TrueBrain> depends on what you compile :p 19:34:15 <fjb> No. 19:34:26 <Eddi|zuHause> about ye |< ------ >| 19:34:29 <TrueBrain> frosch123: vurlix? Yeah, he is gone for .. 4 years no? :p 19:35:06 <PeterT> <TrueBrain> depends on what you compile :p <---- Openttd? 19:36:02 <TrueBrain> strgen is done in seconds :) 19:36:07 <fjb> Even that doesn't take the same time for everybody. 19:36:08 <TrueBrain> a clean compile takes for ever 19:36:38 <Eddi|zuHause> the compilation time ever increases... 19:36:58 <Eddi|zuHause> darn new features all the time! 19:37:02 <PeterT> :0 19:37:37 <TrueBrain> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=815659#p815659 <- I wonder if this joker changed the quote, or that Lord Aro made the typo first 19:38:38 <PeterT> i think he edited it 19:39:01 <fjb> Is there a ranking of the most hated persons of the forum? 19:39:10 <Ammler> you would need to be mod to edit without notification. 19:39:24 <TrueBrain> fjb: no, a certain person would always be on top, so that would be no competition 19:39:28 <Ammler> or is that possible now? 19:39:39 <TrueBrain> I dunno, I can always edit without notification :p :p :p 19:40:07 <Ammler> yeah, evil mod :P 19:40:12 <TrueBrain> orudge: still here? 19:40:16 <PeterT> which mod deleted the 3 post 19:40:25 <Xaroth> PeterT: one of em did 19:40:32 <PeterT> duh 19:40:33 <TrueBrain> and now you are complaining the posts are not there anymore? 19:40:43 <Ammler> :-) 19:41:52 <TrueBrain> PeterT: but since you are so keen to talk about such things in public form: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=815507#p815507 <- this is out of line. I suggest you try to control your way of communicating in such cases (we all have to, no worries) 19:41:55 <PeterT> who said i was complaining? 19:42:20 <PeterT> sorry truebrain 19:42:27 <PeterT> that got me a little angry 19:42:34 <PeterT> I apoligize 19:42:40 <TrueBrain> you have no idea how often I close my browser before hitting send 19:42:43 * SmatZ tries to stay quiet when he's angry 19:42:46 <TrueBrain> I suggest you learn that trick too ;) 19:42:58 <SmatZ> ;) 19:43:04 <TrueBrain> PeterT: dont apoligize to me; edit your text and say it there! :) 19:43:06 <Xaroth> aye, write what you want, but instead of hitting send, hit preview, read it, then close the tab/window. 19:44:10 <PeterT> better? 19:44:46 <TrueBrain> :) 19:44:56 <PeterT> i take that as a yes 19:45:04 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: alberth * r17427 /trunk/src/ (widget.cpp widget_type.h): -Codechange: Removing some unneeded widget parts (for reduced compilation time). 19:45:13 <TrueBrain> I can't say; I wasn't the one who got told he has no brain :p 19:45:29 <TrueBrain> Alberth: that would be a first since a long time :p :p 19:45:35 <PeterT> i ddint say that he has no brain 19:45:56 <TrueBrain> you kind of did :p 19:46:07 <PeterT> i implied that this doesnt need to be sticky, because it just repeats instructions to the lazy people who dont use search 19:46:47 <TrueBrain> either way, not your nicest moment :p 19:46:51 <TrueBrain> nuff said about that 19:47:10 <PeterT> I remember ammler saying he doesn't like my posts 19:47:20 <PeterT> i forgot to ask which ones he was talking about 19:47:32 <TrueBrain> "all of them" <- some replies are too easy :p 19:47:35 * TrueBrain hugs PeterT 19:47:36 *** Muddy [muddy@playing.OpenTTD.no] has quit [Quit: changing servers] 19:47:42 <Ammler> yes :-) 19:48:02 <KenjiE20> ^ 19:48:44 <PeterT> i have this game: i wait until i find a post like this: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=45022 , bump it, then watch people reply to how undescriptive he is 19:49:26 <TrueBrain> a bump after 4 minutes? 19:49:26 <SmatZ> I failed to decypher his request 19:49:34 <TrueBrain> you guys should really fix that definition of 'bumping' 19:49:35 <SmatZ> "Stations with no platform that trains only stop at by request of a passeenger." wtf 19:50:02 <valhallasw> you know, those yellow trains with a sign 'taxi' on top? 19:50:02 <TrueBrain> he more often makes no sense :) 19:50:04 <PeterT> i dont know if they have it in czech republic 19:50:08 <Ammler> well, supported quite well by trunk :-) 19:50:13 <SmatZ> hehe 19:50:21 <Ammler> and afaik, not supported by cargodist 19:50:25 <TrueBrain> lol @ valhallasw 19:50:32 <SmatZ> train taxis! 19:50:34 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9111.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:50:53 <PeterT> on american buses/trains if there isnt any passengers waiting to join the vehicle, the vehicle doesnt stop unless a passenger on the vehicle press this button to make it stop 19:51:16 <TrueBrain> PeterT: busses: yes; trams: yes; but trains? 19:51:18 <TrueBrain> are you sure? 19:51:20 <Ammler> that is quite usual on bus lines. 19:51:30 <SmatZ> interesting, I guess we have that for busses on some rarely-used stations 19:51:33 <SmatZ> but not for trains 19:51:33 <PeterT> TrueBrain, various trains ;) 19:51:39 <TrueBrain> for trains that would be a bit tricky 19:51:46 <TrueBrain> you have to hold your hand over the tracks or something? 19:51:52 <TrueBrain> oh, no, a high-speed train, 140 km/h 19:51:54 <TrueBrain> by arm 19:51:54 <PeterT> Long yellow strip 19:51:55 <TrueBrain> :) 19:52:06 <TrueBrain> by = bye 19:52:09 <KenjiE20> haha TB 19:52:10 <Eddi|zuHause> TrueBrain: i have seen phrases like "stops only on request" on train schedules, i think 19:52:14 <SmatZ> :-) 19:52:22 <Eddi|zuHause> but only at the most extreme branch lines 19:52:26 <TrueBrain> unusual :) 19:52:28 <Ammler> those buttons are called "emergency stop" 19:52:32 <TrueBrain> lol @ Ammler 19:52:42 <TrueBrain> I only know it on busses and trams/metros :) But okay, I guess trains can be done too :p 19:52:46 <TrueBrain> but then the part: with no platform 19:52:52 <PeterT> ammler is confusing yellow with red 19:52:56 <TrueBrain> how would that be? You go stand on the side of the track and hold up your hand? 19:53:29 *** Muddy [muddy@playing.OpenTTD.no] has joined #openttd 19:53:30 <Eddi|zuHause> early trams used to be that way 19:53:30 <PeterT> i guess it depends on the conductor's vision, he just looks out, people?! yes? stop. 19:53:31 <orudge> TrueBrain: I am 19:53:34 <PeterT> people?! no? no stop. 19:54:00 <fjb> There is a grf which has "invisible" platforms. They simply look like ordinary track. 19:54:18 <TrueBrain> very scary for trains :) 19:54:25 <TrueBrain> Muddy: love your rdns :) 19:54:32 <nicfer> one question, how did the daylenght patch work? 19:54:42 <TrueBrain> very well 19:54:55 <Eddi|zuHause> real 13m58.565s 19:54:56 <Eddi|zuHause> user 8m22.319s 19:54:58 <Eddi|zuHause> sys 0m38.242s 19:55:08 <SmatZ> TrueBrain: ??? 19:55:16 <Eddi|zuHause> my compile time 19:55:19 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: what part didn't you get? 19:55:30 <TrueBrain> (I said 3 things it can refer to) 19:55:46 <Ammler> TrueBrain: silly, oftc doesn't allow cloaks without reason but that... 19:55:51 <SmatZ> [21:54:40] <TrueBrain> very well 19:56:03 <Ammler> oh, or is it a real dns 19:56:03 <SmatZ> TrueBrain: was that reply to nicfer? 19:56:05 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: he asked how it worked .. well .. very well, if you ask me :) 19:56:06 <TrueBrain> yes 19:56:10 <TrueBrain> Ammler: it is real 19:56:14 <SmatZ> did you test it? 19:56:25 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: no, but that is not important :) 19:56:28 <Ammler> didn't see the dots 19:56:30 <TrueBrain> I just liked the reply :) 19:57:55 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: my point was more that his question was ambigious :) 19:58:03 <SmatZ> :) 20:00:01 <fjb> I should really start to add a second track to my main lines. 20:00:24 <Rubidium> ooh ;) finally someone who found the trick why regression actually doesn't go bankrupt. Too bad it's 'only' a dev ;) 20:00:31 <PeterT> who is good with wiki formatting? 20:00:36 <SmatZ> hehe 20:00:41 <PeterT> http://openttdcoop.org/wiki/Terminus_Station 20:00:53 <PeterT> ^what did i do wrong there?^ 20:01:17 <TrueBrain> ghehe @ Rubidium :p 20:01:21 <fjb> Ist there a terplus station? 20:01:24 <fjb> Is 20:02:04 <Rubidium> terplus 20:02:05 <Rubidium> The word you've entered isn't in the dictionary. 20:02:11 <PeterT> how do i make the "Two Way Terminus" heading go BELOW the picture 20:02:23 <SmatZ> !dict terplus 20:03:13 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:03:35 <fjb> Rubidium: terplus opposed to terminus. 20:06:03 <frosch123> termul 20:06:45 <Muddy> TrueBrain: heh, i know :D 20:07:22 <fjb> Or terdiv 20:09:40 <Eddi|zuHause> terroot? 20:09:53 <Eddi|zuHause> i only know tarot 20:17:11 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-168-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Goodbye] 20:17:38 *** Zuu [Zuu@c-64f3e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 20:17:53 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:22:27 <fjb> I don't need a terrorist. I'm blowing up my own bridges. 20:22:38 <TrueBrain> LOL 20:22:43 <TrueBrain> that sounds horrible 20:25:28 <fjb> I moved some lines in the mountains. 20:34:59 <fjb> Single track lines are working astonishingly well with YAPP. 20:36:06 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:36:23 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 20:48:29 *** Zuu [Zuu@c-64f3e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:48:54 <Ammler> "astonishingly" :-) 20:49:43 *** satan2k [~satan2k@ip-213-49-253-170.dsl.scarlet.be] has joined #openttd 20:49:45 *** satan2k [~satan2k@ip-213-49-253-170.dsl.scarlet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:53:17 *** PhoenixII [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 20:54:55 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:55:24 *** satan2k [~satan2k@ip-213-49-253-170.dsl.scarlet.be] has joined #openttd 20:55:32 <satan2k> hello everyone =) 20:56:28 <satan2k> i got an interesting bug with a nightly, may be someone is interested to talk about this? Its about the language support not working properly =) 20:56:39 <satan2k> (with the last nightly btw =) ) 20:57:22 <fjb> No satanic language? 20:57:45 <satan2k> hehe no :D 20:57:59 <_ln> no belgiumish? 20:58:16 <satan2k> hmpf not at all... 20:58:38 <satan2k> i'm not coming from the dutch part of belgium btw >_< 20:59:01 <_ln> impossible, no one in the french part speaks english. 20:59:13 <satan2k> i guess i'm the exception :D 21:00:05 <satan2k> so about the language support 21:00:17 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-26-243-126.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 21:00:33 <satan2k> when i start the nightly it overrides the config file by using greek.lng 21:01:02 <satan2k> even if i chmod the file, it still overrides by using greek.lng >_< 21:02:01 <satan2k> i tried both ~/.openttd/config.cfg & $openttddir/config.cfg 21:02:07 <Rubidium> sounds like you got the wrong language files for the nightly 21:02:18 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aeiz104.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 21:02:27 <Rubidium> and only the greek language file it valid for the nightly you're running 21:02:39 <satan2k> okay =) 21:03:04 <satan2k> thanks for the answer because there was nothing on the logs :D 21:03:28 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-168-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:03:35 <satan2k> it's still weird that openttd overrides the file even if it has not the rights >_< 21:03:45 <satan2k> i mean the config file 21:04:16 <satan2k> even with a chmod 400 ... :D 21:04:42 <satan2k> btw thanks for the answer =) 21:04:53 <satan2k> "it's not a bug, it's a feature" =) 21:05:49 <TrueBrain> it is impossible for OpenTTD to read any file on a sane filesystem on which it doesn't have rights 21:05:59 <TrueBrain> that is simply because you can't bypass those restrictions without becoming root 21:06:34 <TrueBrain> it is not like you have to check if you ahve permissions .. no .. the fs denies you access ;) 21:06:35 <satan2k> i know that but i can print the log if you dont thrust me, its really weird :D 21:06:59 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: but... it can write a new file, rename the old one and rename the new one 21:07:07 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: lol :) 21:07:13 <satan2k> =) 21:07:17 <TrueBrain> btw, chmod 0000 really denies access 21:07:22 <TrueBrain> chmod 0400 just gives read-only to owner 21:07:53 <Eddi|zuHause> the file permissions do not disallow removing 21:08:08 <Eddi|zuHause> you'd have to protect the directory for that 21:08:10 <satan2k> ow ok 21:09:37 <satan2k> ok it was my fault about the language... i was using the bad lng files. Sorry for wasting your time. Btw thanks for your answers =) 21:10:06 <TrueBrain> not a single problem :) 21:11:06 <PeterT> do you think that timed bans could be introduced to openttd? 21:12:48 <satan2k> hmmmm 21:13:21 <satan2k> i don't know 21:13:48 <SmatZ> ap+ can certainly do that 21:14:14 <SmatZ> or, could 21:14:26 <PeterT> thats not so easy on windows, my friend 21:14:35 <PeterT> is this an offer to set it up? 21:14:35 <SmatZ> no? 21:14:41 <SmatZ> huh? 21:14:43 <SmatZ> simply 21:14:53 <SmatZ> I think it's a nice job for external app, like ap+ 21:15:10 <SmatZ> ask Ammler what he thinks about that :) 21:15:27 <SmatZ> ah, you mean, ap+ on windows 21:15:38 <SmatZ> hmmm, who uses windows... 21:16:13 <PeterT> no-one! (only most of computer users) 21:16:34 <Ammler> only vups 21:17:35 <Eddi|zuHause> <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: grep for string_id, and replace every occurence with a new method of Engine <- i can only find 2 places which read this variable... all other occurences are either write acces, or completely different types... that sounds strange... 21:17:45 <Terkhen> vups? 21:19:35 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: ah, true, everything uses {ENGINE} 21:21:28 <frosch123> but you likely don't want to call the callback in there :p so you need to cache the result somewhere and update it somewhere 21:23:29 <Eddi|zuHause> so put the callback into some kind of daily loop or something? 21:24:23 *** z-MaTRiX [~matrix@nude.lesbianbath.com] has joined #openttd 21:24:30 <z-MaTRiX> hey-ho 21:25:43 <PeterT> hi 21:26:15 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:26:37 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 21:27:03 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17428 /trunk/src/ (20 files in 4 dirs): -Codechange: add a function to get the name of a driver 21:27:41 <zachanima> hello, Nite_Owl 21:27:51 <frosch123> sorry eddi, no idea how to do it nicely 21:27:56 <zachanima> and z-MaTRiX for that matter 21:28:02 <Nite_Owl> we can name drivers of vehicles now as well 21:28:17 <zachanima> XP 21:28:36 <z-MaTRiX> ? 21:29:02 <Nite_Owl> Hello zachanima 21:29:03 <zachanima> well you just said hey-ho, so I thought it rude to greet Nite but not you 21:29:08 <zachanima> ^^ 21:29:18 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@156.141.88-79.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 21:29:56 *** ecke [~ecke@mail2.zelena.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:29:59 <z-MaTRiX> idontcareifitsnightornot 21:30:35 <zachanima> hrm. I wanted Infrastructure Sharing and Cargodist at the same time. So I went ahead and merged them - the wrong way around. I should have merged them with trunk separately so I could have sent those patches to the developers of both ... patches 21:30:56 <zachanima> </rant> 21:32:30 <PeterT> zachanima, if you get IS and cargodist working, please send me a binary 21:33:02 <zachanima> PeterT, I shall 21:33:06 <PeterT> thanks 21:33:14 <zachanima> not long now - I am at news_gui.cpp 21:33:31 <zachanima> PeterT, you want it before or after a merge with trunk? 21:33:41 <zachanima> (cargodist is 6 days old) 21:33:47 <PeterT> i dont understand? 21:33:51 <PeterT> whats the difference 21:34:00 <Eddi|zuHause> you make no sense, why "merge with trunk" when they are already against (fairly recent) trunk? 21:34:17 <zachanima> to make them proper recent? 21:34:19 <zachanima> idunno 21:34:57 <Eddi|zuHause> i suggest taking a trunk revision that is close to the patch releases, not the most recent trunk 21:35:34 <Eddi|zuHause> you either update, or you merge... you should concentrate only on one of these 21:35:47 *** voker57 [~voker57@85.175.11.189] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:35:53 <zachanima> the latest patch release for cargodist was nothing more than a merge with trunk - this is where I am now 21:35:59 <zachanima> 8 days old, apparently 21:36:12 <zachanima> and also that makes sense. Pardon my newbieness 21:36:24 *** voker57 [~voker57@85.175.11.189] has joined #openttd 21:37:13 <zachanima> Eddi|zuHause, my reason for merging with trunk was to further both projects, though 21:37:35 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think that'll help 21:37:43 <Nite_Owl> so my driver joke was D.O.A 21:37:47 <zachanima> :( 21:37:50 <zachanima> no, Nite 21:37:53 <Eddi|zuHause> if i were a patch maintainer, i'd stay far away from a "newbie" updating a patch 21:38:21 <zachanima> I'm not a newbie in patching, only this project 21:38:33 <zachanima> but I see what you mean 21:38:41 <zachanima> or rather, understand - and agree, to a degree 21:39:09 <zachanima> nevertheless, if _I_ were a patch maintainer, I'd at least have a look at it. After all, it could save me some work 21:39:28 <Eddi|zuHause> i have seen this many times... a patch was "updated" and after a while the original developer came along and was like "what the heck were you doing? this is all wrong!" 21:39:31 <zachanima> no matter! The issue at hand is the merging of those two 21:39:50 <zachanima> I can imagine that 21:40:49 <zachanima> well, I will stick to doing these merges to my own diabolical ends for now - at least until I get to grips with both the project and the code base 21:41:03 <zachanima> *to suit 21:42:13 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:42:20 <PeterT> so your not giving them out? 21:43:43 <zachanima> oh, sure 21:43:43 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-168-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Goodbye] 21:43:47 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-168-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:44:11 <zachanima> but not for the purpose of spreading the patches (although you can obviously have it if you want) 21:45:14 <zachanima> PeterT, what platform do you want the binary for? 21:45:17 <PeterT> win32 21:45:19 <PeterT> please 21:45:33 <PeterT> if you give me the patch, i can make the binaries 21:45:41 <PeterT> the combined patch 21:46:24 <zachanima> hmm, I can do the win32 if you want, but I might as well give you the patch either way 21:51:31 <PeterT> ok, if you can do it that would be great 21:51:41 <fjb> Can I have a binary too, please? 21:51:43 <PeterT> and the patch would be great too 21:52:05 <zachanima> heh, well let me finish the merge and see if it even works, first ^^ 21:52:12 <PeterT> i suppose you will PM us on tt-forums with an attachment 21:52:13 <zachanima> fjb, of course 21:52:20 <zachanima> PeterT, I suppose I will 21:52:21 <PeterT> fjb: do you have an account 21:52:53 <fjb> zachanima: Ok, but no Windows binary please. 21:52:58 *** oskari89 [oskari89@212-149-207-211.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Utm Aœ - Aja 35] 21:53:10 <fjb> PeterT: Ofcourse I have. More than one. 21:53:12 <zachanima> fjb, just the patch then? 21:53:21 <zachanima> oh, nevermind 21:53:29 <zachanima> I can only give you linux and win32 21:53:32 <fjb> Could be interesting. 21:53:36 <zachanima> so I'm assuming linux 21:53:42 <fjb> No, FreeBSd. 21:53:54 <PeterT> can you compile yourself fljb? 21:54:06 <fjb> I guess I can. 21:54:19 <zachanima> brr, I'll just give you the patch then - or have someone with a proper environment set up for freebsd compiling 21:55:22 <PeterT> can you guess what my tt-forums name is? 21:55:43 *** Dreamxtreme_ [~chatzilla@93-97-81-59.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:55:45 <zachanima> ... PeterT? 21:55:52 <PeterT> no! 21:55:53 <PeterT> petert 21:55:54 <fjb> PeterT: Guessing at this time of the day? Impossible. 21:55:58 <zachanima> =( 21:56:13 <PeterT> fjb, not EVERYone is in europe, you know 21:56:26 <zachanima> I would have used 'zach', was it not taken by mysterious forces (invisible in member list, anyway) 21:56:57 <Eddi|zuHause> PeterT: but someone with a hostname ending with .dk probably is 21:57:22 <PeterT> why would i check their hostname? 21:57:30 <PeterT> (and what is .dk?) 21:57:38 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B2C4E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:57:48 <fjb> PeterT: No? Really not everyone? I'm feeling alone now. 21:58:01 <PeterT> hehe :) 21:58:07 <Eddi|zuHause> PeterT: even if not, the probability in here is exceptionally high 21:58:07 <PeterT> thats right 21:58:20 <PeterT> yeah, we run on europe time 21:58:26 <zachanima> denmark, pff 21:59:37 *** Dreamxtreme_ [~chatzilla@93-97-81-59.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [] 21:59:51 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B1D58.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:59:54 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 22:01:13 *** Dreamxtreme [~chatzilla@93-97-81-59.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:03:54 <zachanima> whether I'm sufficiently qualified or not, infrastructure-sharing could do with an update 22:07:29 *** Dreamxtreme [~chatzilla@93-97-81-59.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:07:47 <PeterT> which line of code, in what file determines the version name of openttd? 22:08:08 <Tefad> isn't it something like rev. 22:08:37 <PeterT> well, i was thinking of "OpenTTD 0.7.2" 22:08:48 <DaleStan> grep is your friend. 22:08:50 <PeterT> so if i wanted, i could change it to "OpenTTD Peter" 22:08:55 <zachanima> yes 22:09:09 <PeterT> so, in what .cpp file? 22:09:37 <DaleStan> The one that grep says contains "0.7.2" Though it might be a .h. 22:09:40 <zachanima> ^ 22:10:08 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 22:10:19 <PeterT> oh 22:12:14 <PeterT> @seen XeryusTC 22:12:14 <DorpsGek> PeterT: XeryusTC was last seen in #openttd 14 weeks, 3 days, 6 hours, 15 minutes, and 13 seconds ago: <XeryusTC> Amr0d> I want to know how long it takes to build such a junction <- depending on the junction from half an hour to half a day 22:13:44 <PeterT> hows it coming zach? 22:14:22 *** PhoenixII [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:14:32 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 22:14:43 <zachanima> PeterT, along 22:14:59 <zachanima> saveload/station_sl.cpp <- progressing alphabetically 22:14:59 <PeterT> compiling? 22:15:26 <zachanima> no 22:15:28 <zachanima> merging 22:16:14 <PeterT> ok 22:16:18 <PeterT> that is? 22:16:23 <PeterT> solving inconsistancies? 22:16:41 <zachanima> indeed 22:16:55 <zachanima> (there are quite a few) 22:17:58 <zachanima> and I'm not even sure I can make it work properly between the two (cargo distribution along own as well as shared stations, for example) 22:18:36 <zachanima> but if I indeed succeed, I'll let you know 22:18:39 <PeterT> this would be the ultimate patch 22:19:42 <zachanima> not really. But it's a patch I've wanted for long enough for me to actually (try to) do it myself 22:20:35 <PeterT> why wont other people do it? 22:21:13 <zachanima> it's not that simple. And to be fair, infrastructure-sharing isn't really up to date. It's quite some process 22:21:51 <zachanima> that, and according to the wiki's "requested features" page, both projects are 90% complete. You wouldn't want to spend hours doing something that might be added to trunk in the near future 22:21:57 <zachanima> I think not, anyway 22:22:00 <fjb> And it has to be multiplayer safe in the end. 22:22:38 <zachanima> indeed 22:22:41 <PeterT> i cant wait until they are in trunk 22:22:47 <zachanima> else there's no point to infrastructure sharing 22:22:49 <PeterT> If they will be 22:23:11 <zachanima> I think those are the two features I would most like to see in trunk 22:24:09 <fjb> I think cargodist hast quite a way before it is ready for trunk. 22:24:16 <zachanima> I agree 22:24:35 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-26-243-126.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.2/20090729225027]] 22:24:50 <zachanima> but as far as I can tell, infrastructure sharing is nearly there. It could do with some visual representation of not-your-tracks 22:25:40 <PeterT> eh, trying to bomb a track and failing is enough representation for me 22:26:23 <zachanima> I was thinking about the usage fees 22:26:49 *** Farden [jk3farden@lns-bzn-48f-81-56-247-196.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:26:51 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C9D8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:26:51 <PeterT> what about them? 22:27:33 <zachanima> well, maybe it's just me - but overseeing a shared network, it isn't entirely evident what parts of it you will need to pay usage fees for 22:27:47 <zachanima> there was some talk of a newgrf toll booth-ish thing 22:28:39 <zachanima> but well, I suppose both parties could just put up nice-looking waypoints and name them something relevant 22:29:02 <zachanima> since if you're running on no-fees anyway, it doesn't really matter 22:29:20 <PeterT> when i play in IS, i usually add bought land where my rail starts 22:29:43 <PeterT> zachanima, check out this: http://www.openttd.org/en/server/7677 22:29:44 <Ammler> he? what about the fences? 22:29:55 <PeterT> Ammler: sort of hard to see 22:30:21 <zachanima> PeterT, yes? 22:30:33 <PeterT> its a really cool IS server 22:30:35 <zachanima> and Ammler, I suppose they should be enough, though 22:30:42 <PeterT> with an entire prebuilt rail network 22:31:47 <fjb> Where is the fun when the network is prebuild? 22:32:16 *** Dred_furst` [~Dred@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 22:32:25 <PeterT> its hard to explain 22:32:40 <PeterT> there are 13 islands, each = 256 tiles 22:32:42 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 22:32:44 <PeterT> 256 x 256 22:32:56 *** goodger [~ben@host86-156-58-248.range86-156.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:33:08 <zachanima> screenshot, perhaps? 22:33:34 <PeterT> sure 22:34:09 <PeterT> so, 13 islands, prebuilt network between them, but you must make your own network on your own island 22:34:13 <PeterT> screenshot will take too long 22:35:27 <zachanima> hmm. It sounds like an idea I had earlier 22:35:36 <zachanima> based on the the network "features" of Lego Loco 22:36:43 <zachanima> where sharing train network was encouraged, yet you were confined to your own space and 2-4 (based on your position in the grid) outbound connections 22:38:28 *** Combuster is now known as [com]buster 22:38:42 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9111.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:39:03 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:42:41 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9111.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 22:46:56 *** `Fuco`` is now known as Fuco 22:49:17 <zachanima> PeterT, will you be on later? 22:49:28 <PeterT> for about 5 more hours :) 22:49:36 <PeterT> im in USA 22:49:43 <PeterT> so i've still got loads of time 22:49:59 <zachanima> right right ^^ 22:50:10 *** goodger [~ben@host86-156-58-248.range86-156.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 22:50:18 <PeterT> but im away right now 22:50:20 <PeterT> for dinner 22:55:14 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:55:21 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 22:58:19 *** Polygon [~Poly@p54B46C5C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:01:46 *** satan2k [~satan2k@ip-213-49-253-170.dsl.scarlet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:02:38 *** satan2k [~satan2k@ip-213-49-253-165.dsl.scarlet.be] has joined #openttd 23:02:45 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@cpc1-stkn13-0-0-cust18.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 23:03:36 *** Polygon [~Poly@p54B46C5C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 23:07:09 *** OwenSX48BD [~oshepherd@cpc1-stkn13-0-0-cust18.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 23:07:29 *** OwenS is now known as Guest1460 23:07:29 *** OwenSX48BD is now known as OwenS 23:08:28 <Terkhen> good night 23:08:42 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@232.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 23:09:20 <PeterT> zachanima, im back 23:09:41 <zachanima> welcome back, PeterT 23:10:56 *** Guest1460 [~oshepherd@cpc1-stkn13-0-0-cust18.midd.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:11:04 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.64.182.plusnet.pte-ag2.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 23:14:15 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:17:14 *** Mks [~mks@c83-176-234-98.cust.tele2.se] has joined #openttd 23:18:58 <PeterT> @seen mks 23:18:58 <DorpsGek> PeterT: I have not seen mks. 23:19:39 <Eddi|zuHause> <zachanima> that, and according to the wiki's "requested features" page, both projects are 90% complete. You wouldn't want to spend hours doing something that might be added to trunk in the near future <- I'm fairly sure it's not going to happen any time soon 23:21:43 <zachanima> neither of them? 23:22:05 <zachanima> anyway, my point was not that it might be added to trunk soon, but that it could look like it would be 23:23:22 *** BaronChaos [~BaronChao@p5B268161.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 23:25:35 <Eddi|zuHause> neither of them is even remotely finished, and even then the process of reviewing and adding it is long 23:26:17 *** Mks [~mks@c83-176-234-98.cust.tele2.se] has quit [] 23:26:20 <zachanima> hmm 23:27:54 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:32:57 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B779BF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 23:33:11 *** nicfer [~Usuario@168.226.105.31] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:33:17 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77AE9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:34:44 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fede2.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:35:11 *** PhoenixII [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 23:35:15 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:44:45 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-218-9.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving]