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00:03:13 *** Netsplit synthon.oftc.net <-> larich.oftc.net quits: Fuco, nicfer 00:03:40 *** Netsplit over, joins: Fuco 00:04:39 *** Netsplit over, joins: nicfer 00:05:11 <Coco-Banana-Man> pf.yapf.rail_pbs_station_penalty <--- was that the setting for disallowing long trains entering shorter platform? 00:05:45 <Yexo> Coco-Banana-Man: try "list_settings start_of_setting_name" in the openttd console 00:06:29 <Yexo> you probably want pf.yapf.rail_" target="_blank">pf.yapf.rail_shorter_patform_penalty and pf.yapf.rail_" target="_blank">pf.yapf.rail_shorter_patform__per_tile_penalty 00:07:04 <Coco-Banana-Man> oh, yes ^^ 00:07:41 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 00:09:37 <Coco-Banana-Man> what value do I need to disallow them using a too short platform? 00:10:51 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93-81-213-133.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:13:05 <Eddi|zuHause> a very high one 00:13:28 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:13:28 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 00:13:36 <PeterT> the largest 00:13:44 <PeterT> ^^ 00:14:05 <Eddi|zuHause> higher than it could ever be to take a detour to the longer station 00:14:11 <PeterT> yes 00:14:22 <PeterT> think about it....you want a large penalty 00:14:37 <Eddi|zuHause> an occupied long platform has a penalty of 800 per tile 00:15:14 <welshdragon> over 9.000? :P 00:15:15 <Eddi|zuHause> a detour is 100 per tile 00:15:49 <Eddi|zuHause> plus signals, reserved tiles inbetween and stuff 00:20:44 <Coco-Banana-Man> hm, 20000 for "pf.yapf.rail_shorter_platform_penalty" and 2000 "pf.yapf.rail.shorter_platform_per_tile_penalty" seems to be the largest possible values? 00:21:25 <Coco-Banana-Man> ah, 20000 to both I think 00:21:46 <Yexo> use "set setting_name" without a value to get the current/min/max 00:23:41 <Coco-Banana-Man> ok, thank you :) 00:23:54 <petern> who wrote ZeroedMemoryAllocator? 00:23:57 <Coco-Banana-Man> I hope it works now... 00:24:21 <petern> i'm wondering if it's safe to use on classes that have things like std::lists, etc 00:25:06 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.36] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:25:57 <petern> it is only used for 'simple' classes in openttd, which only contain POD members 00:27:12 <Yexo> I'm quite sure it's safe to use, as it only modified the operator new / operator delete functions to use CallocT 00:28:14 <PeterT> my MSYS cant seem to compile the more recent trunks 00:28:38 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host81-129-82-241.range81-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 00:28:55 <PeterT> i tried compiling the most recent trunk/revision, and it crashes when i try to use "allow building railstations over track" 00:29:04 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.17.60.225] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0] 00:29:10 <PeterT> and when compiled, I have "OpenTTD r" 00:31:38 <petern> Yexo, yes, i think it is, i just wanted to double check :) 00:34:37 *** nicfer [~Usuario@168.226.105.68] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:37:32 *** nicfer [~Usuario@168.226.105.68] has joined #openttd 00:38:31 <Yexo> <PeterT> my MSYS cant seem to compile the more recent trunks <- I have no problems compiling in msys/mingw 00:38:44 <PeterT> gah 00:38:58 <Yexo> I also wonder what you mean by 'and it crashes when i try to use "allow building railstations over track"' 00:39:03 <Yexo> what program crashes? 00:39:07 <PeterT> OpenTTD 00:39:28 <PeterT> gives an error message----> ok---->another error---->crash 00:41:59 <Yexo> what kind of error message? 00:42:18 <PeterT> hold on, I will copy it over to paste.openttd.org 00:42:44 <PeterT> oh damn it 00:43:06 <PeterT> I just compiled one without the patch and it still compiles as "OpenTTD r" 00:45:19 <glx> you removed some .svn dirs IIRC 00:45:31 <PeterT> this is another 00:45:58 <PeterT> alright, lets try one last time, newest trunkscr 00:47:45 <SmatZ> hmm right 00:47:50 <SmatZ> it crashes for me too 00:48:46 <PeterT> it does? 00:48:51 <SmatZ> yeah 00:49:01 <PeterT> when trying to build station over tracks? 00:49:33 <SmatZ> sometimes 00:50:35 <PeterT> does this command work? cd ~/trunkscr && ./configure && make --bundle 00:51:11 <glx> no 00:51:22 <glx> it's "make bundle" 00:52:43 <PeterT> oh 00:52:53 <PeterT> what does the bundle do? 00:53:12 <glx> prepare a package in bundle dir 00:54:31 <PeterT> .zip? 00:55:26 <glx> .zip is created with "make bundle_zip" and placed in bundles dir 00:56:09 <PeterT> oh 00:56:33 <PeterT> what command gives help with make? 00:56:49 <PeterT> ok, trunk just finished compiling 00:56:54 <PeterT> lets see what it does 00:57:27 <PeterT> it compiled as "OpenTTD r" again 00:58:09 <glx> means svn fails to get the version 01:00:52 <PeterT> how do I fix it? 01:01:11 <glx> what do you get with ./findversion.sh ? 01:02:39 <PeterT> r 0 r 01:02:57 <glx> do you have svn installed ? 01:03:06 <PeterT> TortoiseSVN 01:03:13 <PeterT> and svn with msys 01:03:22 <PeterT> svn: This client is too old to work with working copy 'src'. You need 01:03:22 <PeterT> to get a newer Subversion client, or to downgrade this working copy. 01:03:22 <PeterT> See http://subversion.tigris.org/faq.html#working-copy-format-change 01:03:22 <PeterT> for details. 01:03:36 <PeterT> it also says that ^, but that hasn't been a problem before 01:03:42 <glx> update your svn client 01:05:03 <PeterT> but I dont use the SVN on msys. 01:05:10 <PeterT> that's why I use tortoisesvn 01:05:15 <glx> you use it when compiling 01:05:15 <PeterT> because of this error 01:05:20 <PeterT> oh? 01:06:05 <glx> findversion.sh doesn't use tortoisesvn 01:06:13 *** nicfer [~Usuario@168.226.105.68] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:06:48 <PeterT> look at this screenshot for a little bit more info: http://img403.imageshack.us/i/screenshot1ea.png/ 01:07:07 <PeterT> Yexo: look at that ^^ for the crash error 01:11:02 *** PeteT [~Peter@c-76-19-168-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 01:11:20 *** PeteT [~Peter@c-76-19-168-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [] 01:11:42 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-168-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: I'm off] 01:11:44 *** Choco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DEB57.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:12:05 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-168-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 01:12:11 <PeterT> sorry bout that 01:14:07 <PeterT> ok, i'm off for tonight, tell me if you find the problem 01:14:11 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-168-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [] 01:18:34 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DEB43.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:18:34 *** Choco-Banana-Man is now known as Coco-Banana-Man 01:23:12 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has joined #openttd 01:27:01 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-168-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 01:27:27 <Yexo> hello Pikka 01:28:33 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-168-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [] 01:31:31 <Pikka> hello 01:33:40 <Yexo> http://devs.openttd.org/~yexo/foundation3.png This is with default foundations 01:34:32 <Yexo> http://devs.openttd.org/~yexo/foundation.png This is without foundation (for the circled tile), but the ground-sprite has a z-offset of 8 pixels (and is mostly transparant) 01:34:42 <Yexo> basically I don't like either of these solutiosn 01:35:17 <Yexo> do you have ideas on how to solve this? 01:35:37 <glx> can't you use half foundations ? 01:35:51 <Pikka> same way as for industry tiles? default foundations unless specified otherwise in the grf? 01:36:52 <Yexo> currently I can think of the following: 1. Include the half foundations in the newgrf. 2. Add more return options for callback 0x150 (equivalent of industytile callback 30) so it can also draw halftile foundation 01:37:22 <Pikka> 1 01:38:47 <Yexo> and I'd like a bit more control then callback 3C offers, basically to disallow lowering the north corner of that tile, but allowing all other terraforming 01:39:27 <Pikka> industry tiles action 0D? 01:39:28 <Pikka> erm 01:39:31 <Pikka> property 0D 01:39:34 <Pikka> action 0 01:39:35 <Pikka> ? 01:40:07 <Yexo> that is only per edge, not per corner 01:40:15 <Yexo> at least that's how I read the spec 01:40:52 <Pikka> oh 01:43:26 <Yexo> hmm, I could give property 0D for airport tiles a slightly different meaning 01:43:52 <Yexo> bit 0 = west corner can't be lowered 01:44:02 <Yexo> bit 1 = south corner can't be lowered, etc. 01:44:18 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFA786.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:45:15 <Yexo> Pikka: what about http://users.tt-forums.net/pikka/wiki/index.php?title=Newgrf_Airports_Documentation ? Should I add information on what's currently implemented or should I create a seperate document for that? 01:47:47 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DEB57.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Joyful it seems - but then suddenly - by one false move it's blown away] 01:48:03 <Pikka> oh, absolutely @ editing that one. :) 01:48:36 <Pikka> it'll just get confusing if we have multiple spec documents. :) and it's not like the wiki doesn't keep a history of changes if you want to look back at what it used to say... 01:48:49 <Yexo> ok, just wanted to check :) 01:49:51 <Yexo> another feature I've implemented: before a ground tile is drawn, the 'default' grass sprite is drawn (or desert/snow/rainforest), so you can leave parts of your ground sprite empty to show the underground 01:50:08 <Yexo> is it ok to have this always enabled or should there be a bit in some property for it? 01:52:11 <Pikka> I guess it's okay to always have it enabled 02:01:05 <z-MaTRiX> s?l?l? 02:03:31 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:06:40 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 02:09:12 <Yexo> Pikka: the "Allowed Aircraft callback", shouldn't that be a callback for the airport, not for an airport tile? 02:22:02 <Pikka> different aircraft may be buildable in different hangars 02:22:27 <Yexo> in that case maybe specify the hangar num in var10 02:22:40 <Pikka> okay 02:22:47 <Yexo> the main problem with having it for airport tiles is that the related object for airport tiles is an airport, not an aircraft 02:23:11 <Yexo> changing that for a single callback is both inconsistent and a lot more work coding 02:23:39 <Yexo> "11 (w) Noise level" <- I think a byte should be enough 02:27:57 <Yexo> what is a suitable limit for the iteration count? 02:28:08 <Yexo> currently it's 40, but that really is an arbitrary number 02:28:39 <Yexo> is limiting to 15 ok? that way it'll always fit in the high nibble of var18 02:30:01 <Pikka> yeah, should be okay :) 02:31:49 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 02:31:50 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:33:10 <Yexo> "Aircraft gain Variable 7C, and an additional property to provide information to the airport state machine. " <- is that really needed? 02:33:13 <Yexo> if so,for what? 02:33:40 <Pikka> the variable 7c, or the additional property? 02:33:50 <Yexo> variable 7C 02:34:10 <Pikka> not for the statemachine, no. I was hoping to do other things with it. :P 02:34:28 <Yexo> ok :) 02:38:38 <Yexo> wiki page is completely uptodate as for what's implemented and what is not yet 02:43:43 <Pikka> :) 02:46:24 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:d19f:90b2:eb7e:461c] has quit [Quit: bye] 02:47:49 <Yexo> http://devs.openttd.org/~yexo/mini_airport.grf contains a now complete (including working statemachine) airport 02:47:58 <Yexo> I'll compile a new build tomorrow or so 02:48:04 * Yexo needs sleep 02:49:21 <Yexo> http://devs.openttd.org/~yexo/mini_airport.nfo <- source of that grf 02:51:13 <Pikka> :o nice 03:09:29 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:13:13 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:15:36 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host81-129-82-241.range81-129.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:32:21 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 03:33:18 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Quit: ecke] 03:39:31 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:43:29 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:45:56 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has quit [] 04:21:17 *** dlr365 [~doug@S010600248c02a7d3.cg.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:29:07 *** Rubidium [~Rubidium@rbijker.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:29:26 *** jonty-comp [~jonty@vps.jontysewell.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:54:53 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 04:54:53 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:01:45 *** Rubidium [~Rubidium@rbijker.net] has joined #openttd 05:01:49 *** mode/#openttd [+o Rubidium] by ChanServ 05:02:08 *** jonty-comp [~jonty@vps.jontysewell.net] has joined #openttd 05:07:09 *** imlost [~imlost@cpe-173-171-181-127.tampabay.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 05:11:16 <imlost> i think theres a bug with "transfers". i currently have 4 stations. A transfers to B. B transfers to C. C transfer to D(Unloads). For some odd reason, i get negative from 5 to -15. from point B to point C, i see transfer (35,000). 05:12:06 <imlost> img40.imageshack.us/img40/930/bugxc.jpg picture to better understand. 05:13:00 <Tefad> imlost: maybe the short run isn't very profitable 05:13:24 <Tefad> the credits from the prior transfer outweight what this one makes 05:13:26 <Tefad> etc. 05:16:15 *** Netsplit charon.oftc.net <-> kilo.oftc.net quits: Guest1698 05:17:36 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:18:08 *** goodger_ [~ben@host86-156-58-248.range86-156.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:18:28 *** Netsplit over, joins: Guest1698 05:20:53 *** jonty-comp [~jonty@vps.jontysewell.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:21:30 *** goodger_ [~ben@host86-156-58-248.range86-156.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 05:22:34 *** Rubidium [~Rubidium@rbijker.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:23:46 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 05:29:28 *** Rubidium [~Rubidium@rbijker.net] has joined #openttd 05:29:30 *** mode/#openttd [+o Rubidium] by ChanServ 05:29:30 *** jonty-comp [~jonty@vps.jontysewell.net] has joined #openttd 05:29:31 <imlost> i took out C and C only holds the item (in this case Coal) 05:29:44 <imlost> i have updated the picture aswell. img40.imageshack.us/img40/1724/bugukl.jpg 05:30:03 <imlost> i still recieve negative funds. 05:35:55 *** jonty-comp [~jonty@vps.jontysewell.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:35:56 *** Wolle [DrJekyll@p57B0D249.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: http://www.lagerwiki.de - das Wiki rund um's Thema Lager und Logistik] 05:38:04 *** Rubidium [~Rubidium@rbijker.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:40:10 <imlost> mediafire.com/?sharekey=f63c8830edea7d81d6baebe61b361f7ce04e75f6e8ebb871 Here is the sav. mid left side of the map is the location. company: american trans. auth. 05:41:28 <imlost> server im currently on: amron 24/7 (1961-2050) 05:44:57 *** Rubidium [~Rubidium@rbijker.net] has joined #openttd 05:45:00 *** mode/#openttd [+o Rubidium] by ChanServ 05:45:44 *** jonty-comp [~jonty@vps.jontysewell.net] has joined #openttd 05:47:31 *** ecke [~ecke@pc154-114.upce.cz] has joined #openttd 05:53:13 <planetmaker> morning 05:53:40 <planetmaker> imlost: I'm pretty sure that your problem is the usual and intended behaviour of transfer orders 05:56:34 *** Rubidium [~Rubidium@rbijker.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:57:14 *** jonty-comp [~jonty@vps.jontysewell.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:58:37 <imlost> i usally get this bug with vehicles but not with trains. 05:59:52 <imlost> what the vehicle did was pick up passengers where i tell it to transfers. takes it back to where its suppose to load then drops them off where they were picked up and i get negative. 06:01:47 *** ecke [~ecke@pc154-114.upce.cz] has quit [Quit: ecke] 06:02:06 <imlost> maybe B to C then C to D is the problem. Back tracks. 06:05:59 <planetmaker> imlost: yes, that's by design and not a bug 06:06:16 <planetmaker> transfer money assumes the same delivery speed for each leg than the first one 06:07:05 <planetmaker> if you continue with lower speed, less money, sometimes negative will be paid, if already more than the trip is worth was paid to vehicles which transported the carge before. 06:07:16 <planetmaker> ...the overall trip... 06:10:37 *** jonty-comp [~jonty@vps.jontysewell.net] has joined #openttd 06:10:54 *** Rubidium [~Rubidium@rbijker.net] has joined #openttd 06:10:57 *** mode/#openttd [+o Rubidium] by ChanServ 06:12:34 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 06:19:20 *** ecke [~ecke@pc154-114.upce.cz] has joined #openttd 06:37:29 *** ecke [~ecke@pc154-114.upce.cz] has quit [Quit: ecke] 06:42:37 *** imlost [~imlost@cpe-173-171-181-127.tampabay.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 06:44:45 *** Aankhen`` [~foo@122.162.154.56] has joined #openttd 06:50:25 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 06:51:56 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [] 06:53:35 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C2E6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:58:45 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C2E6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:03:35 *** petern [~petern@lachesis.fuzzle.org] has left #openttd [] 07:09:42 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.36] has joined #openttd 07:16:40 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r17470 /trunk/src/station_cmd.cpp: -Fix (r17460): possible crash when overbuiling rail by station 07:38:01 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEd0b8.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 07:38:01 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:38:01 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 07:42:23 *** goodger_ [~ben@host86-156-58-248.range86-156.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: I am goodger, please insert pepsi max] 07:53:14 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-18.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #openttd 07:54:26 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@153.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 07:54:59 <Terkhen> good morning 07:57:11 <Doorslammer> Oh, question about the nightly 07:57:29 <Doorslammer> Erm, which link is the Windows zip? 07:58:48 <planetmaker> the one which has win(dows) in its name 07:59:08 <Doorslammer> Oh, something odd must have just happened 07:59:32 <Doorslammer> Just refreshed and the ton of links have disappeared now, revealing the lone Windows link :/ 07:59:33 <planetmaker> actually there are more than one windows build. 07:59:41 <Doorslammer> Very strange 07:59:42 <planetmaker> but naming is quite obvious 08:01:29 <Doorslammer> Oh well, problem solved 08:03:24 *** ecke [~ecke@pc154-114.upce.cz] has joined #openttd 08:08:47 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 08:11:17 *** ecke [~ecke@pc154-114.upce.cz] has quit [Quit: ecke] 08:25:32 *** ecke [~ecke@pc154-114.upce.cz] has joined #openttd 08:27:49 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@client-86-26-253-221.brnt.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 08:43:44 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e180239202.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 08:54:14 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-18.prem.tmns.net.au] has quit [Quit: I'll get you next episode, Inspector Gadget! NEXT EPISODE!] 09:03:12 *** nfc [nfc@cable-hvk-fe7ede00-156.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 09:05:24 *** petern [~petern@lachesis.fuzzle.org] has joined #openttd 09:05:27 *** mode/#openttd [+o petern] by ChanServ 09:09:40 *** ecke [~ecke@pc154-114.upce.cz] has quit [Quit: ecke] 09:13:04 *** ecke [~ecke@pc154-114.upce.cz] has joined #openttd 09:20:33 *** ecke [~ecke@pc154-114.upce.cz] has quit [Quit: ecke] 09:33:48 *** williham [~wito@25.244.251.212.customer.cdi.no] has joined #openttd 09:40:28 *** [wito] [~wito@25.244.251.212.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:40:55 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEd0b8.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:47:58 <dihedral> dummdidumm 09:56:56 <petern> you are? 10:00:09 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 10:00:09 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:00:59 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, he definitely is ;) 10:04:47 <petern> that's independent verification, that is 10:12:26 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17471 /trunk/ (10 files in 5 dirs): -Change: when removing a station or waypoint keep the rail unless Ctrl is pressed. This makes the behaviour consistent between the two. 10:14:38 <Eddi|zuHause> that sounds cool 10:14:54 <Eddi|zuHause> now also allow modification of a station while a train is waiting ;) 10:18:42 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x3ef3a198.virnxx14.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 10:18:45 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 10:19:05 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77C85.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:19:23 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77C85.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:29:03 *** goodger [~ben@host86-156-58-248.range86-156.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 10:33:16 *** ecke [~ecke@pc154-114.upce.cz] has joined #openttd 10:34:34 *** dragonhorseboy [~zerovnc@modemcable160.111-57-74.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 10:34:38 <dragonhorseboy> hry 10:34:41 *** ecke [~ecke@pc154-114.upce.cz] has quit [] 10:38:53 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B02AF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:44:23 <Xaroth> < Eddi|zuHause> now also allow modification of a station while a train is waiting ;) << yes puhlease :o 10:47:57 <dragonhorseboy> hey xaroth and eddi 10:49:35 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B0C71.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:49:38 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 10:49:53 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DEB57.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:01:58 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 11:01:58 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:02:07 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.21.42.248] has joined #openttd 11:19:59 *** R0b0t1 [~Enigma@64-136-216-213.dyn.everestkc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:20:31 *** dragonhorseboy [~zerovnc@modemcable160.111-57-74.mc.videotron.ca] has left #openttd [] 11:35:36 <dihedral> well hello Bjarni 11:39:32 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has joined #openttd 11:43:12 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-224-41.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 11:46:36 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEd0b8.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 11:53:03 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9C41.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:12:10 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:3540:8cfa:d97c:1210] has joined #openttd 12:12:10 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:22:40 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17472 /trunk/src/ (industry.h industry_cmd.cpp): -Fix [FS#3182]: industry list was rebuilt too early during industry removal causing the removed industry to be still in the list after removal 12:27:39 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17473 /trunk/src/ (company_base.h company_cmd.cpp graph_gui.cpp): -Codechange: use the post destructor for destroying companies too instead of complicating the graph GUI invalidate code. 12:28:56 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C2E6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:32:47 <Bjarni> hello dihedral 12:33:07 <planetmaker> :-O 12:33:12 <planetmaker> Hello Bjarni :-) 12:33:31 <SmatZ> welcome Bjarni 12:34:22 <Bjarni> it's bad that I have to be ill to find time to come here >_< 12:34:44 <planetmaker> -.- 12:35:02 <planetmaker> get well soon, though, despite :-) 12:35:12 <dihedral> no! 12:35:14 <dihedral> dont! :-P 12:35:22 <Bjarni> you want me to die? 12:35:31 <Bjarni> that will not solve anything 12:36:04 <planetmaker> what is the thing which needs solving in the first place? ;-) 12:36:23 <Bjarni> font selection for OSX 12:36:25 <Bjarni> :P 12:36:58 <planetmaker> :-P 12:37:03 <Bjarni> I will be back in 10 minutes (or something) 12:38:12 <Rubidium> I'd say: fix FS#2782 ;) 12:40:04 * Rubidium wonders what illnesses make you want to be on IRC 12:40:36 *** DaleStan [~Dale@98.223.108.117] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:44:13 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 12:44:13 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:02:56 *** Guest1698 is now known as Mark 13:03:33 *** Mark is now known as Guest1787 13:06:23 <dihedral> the irc deficit syndrome :-P 13:06:28 *** Guest1787 is now known as Mark 13:06:42 <dihedral> "idf" .... aka "i die first" 13:06:47 <dihedral> oh 13:06:48 <dihedral> s 13:06:49 <dihedral> fuck 13:06:55 <dihedral> i die second then :-P 13:07:27 <Bjarni> back 13:13:42 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-120-111-153.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 13:16:18 *** Choco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DEB57.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:17:18 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DEB57.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:17:18 *** Choco-Banana-Man is now known as Coco-Banana-Man 13:18:17 <Belugas> helloo 13:18:43 <Terkhen> hi Belugas 13:18:43 <Bjarni> hello Belugas 13:21:55 <dihedral> hey ho 13:22:00 <dihedral> pawpaw 13:24:57 *** oskari89 [oskari89@212-149-207-211.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 13:30:13 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEd0b8.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:32:28 <Belugas> hey hey guys 13:41:12 <Xaroth> lo Belugas 13:47:15 *** xahodo [~xahodo@xahodo.demon.nl] has joined #openttd 13:49:03 *** Dreamxtreme [~chatzilla@93-97-81-59.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.2/20090729225027]] 13:51:28 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 13:54:27 *** mib_y6vk5k [91764840@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 13:55:32 <mib_y6vk5k> Howdie! OSX 10.5.6 fails with ICU via 'port'. This mostly because config.lib tells --ldflags-libs-only, while port installs icu in /opt/local/lib which is not normally in the lib-search-path 13:56:13 <glx> I had no problems with ICU on 10.4.8 13:56:24 <mib_y6vk5k> and I have with 10.5.6 :p Ghehe :) 13:56:25 <mib_y6vk5k> clean install 13:56:49 <mib_y6vk5k> adding icu-config --ldflags-searchpath 13:56:50 <mib_y6vk5k> fixes 13:57:03 <mib_y6vk5k> +it (darn, typing is hard today) 13:57:16 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:57:47 <mib_y6vk5k> the rest compiles fine (on a retail system) :) (well, that shouldn't be any real suprise I guess, but okay) 13:57:56 <glx> hmm hidden TB ? 13:58:01 *** mib_y6vk5k is now known as TB 13:58:04 <TB> blame mibbit 13:58:06 <TB> or Eddi|zuHause 13:58:07 <TB> pick one 13:58:20 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, blame me. 13:58:25 *** xahodo [~xahodo@xahodo.demon.nl] has quit [Quit: Goodbye.] 13:58:32 <Rubidium> so... why icu-config doesn't have --ldflags-searchpath? 13:58:33 <TB> either way, bbl, I have a 10.6 system to get functional :) 13:58:39 <Rubidium> s/why/which/ 13:58:39 <TB> Rubidium: here it does 13:58:50 <TB> then I don't get your question at all :p 13:59:16 <TB> --ldflags btw does give a bit too much shit :p 13:59:38 <Rubidium> well, given icu's "stability" in API... when did they add that --ldflags-searchpath to icu-config 14:00:03 <TB> I hope at the same time when adding ldflags-libsonly ;) 14:00:31 * glx boots tiger 14:01:01 <TB> either way .. 10.5.8 and 10.6.0 .. bbl :) 14:01:04 *** TB [91764840@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: I am not weird] 14:05:42 <Eddi|zuHause> yes. tell yourself that often enough and you might believe that. :p 14:09:36 <Belugas> or we might start doubting our current impression :) 14:10:44 *** Lake [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 14:18:15 *** MizardX [MizardX@h-28-236.A159.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: reboot] 14:19:03 *** Lake is now known as Lakie 14:22:26 *** MizardX [MizardX@h-28-236.A159.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 14:26:19 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... what's the easiest way to truncate a file? 14:27:15 <glx> rm ? 14:27:47 <dihedral> echo "" > file 14:27:49 <Eddi|zuHause> i have a file of size A, and want to drop all content behind B 14:28:04 <Eddi|zuHause> so that i have a file of size B now 14:28:18 <Eddi|zuHause> without processing all data until B 14:28:22 <Eddi|zuHause> (big file) 14:29:27 <Rubidium> truncate? 14:29:44 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't have such a command 14:29:56 <glx> oh I know why I don't have problems with icu, it's because libpng or libfreetype adds -L/opt/local/lib 14:30:41 <glx> indeed png and freetype both adds that 14:30:41 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: then use an OS that has them :) 14:30:50 <Rubidium> it's in coreutils 14:31:13 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:31:33 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 14:32:07 <Eddi|zuHause> nope... 14:32:30 <Rubidium> http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/coreutils.git/tree/src/truncate.c 14:33:02 <Rubidium> http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/coreutils.git/tree/man/truncate.x <- their manpage looks kinda empty 14:34:44 <Rubidium> http://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/manual/coreutils.html#truncate-invocation <- that's a better manual 14:35:29 <Eddi|zuHause> it's definitely not in my coreutils 14:35:40 <Rubidium> get a newer one; it is in mine 14:35:48 <Rubidium> and I am running Debian ;) 14:36:07 <Eddi|zuHause> nor in any other package 14:36:22 <Eddi|zuHause> i have opensuse 11.0 14:36:56 * Rubidium got coreutils 7.5 14:37:04 <Lakie> Isn't 11.1 the latest? 14:37:19 <Lakie> With 11.2 coming out in Nov 14:37:52 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: you need at least coreutils 7.0 14:38:04 <Rubidium> (from 11 months ago) 14:38:19 * Lakie has never had any real problems with opensuse and library / ulity versions unlike when I tried ubuntu... 14:38:48 <Rubidium> poor Eddi. 11.1 still has 6.12 14:38:56 <Eddi|zuHause> i seem to have 6.11 14:40:07 <Eddi|zuHause> so, apparently installing coreutils 7 is not the fastest way 14:41:08 <Rubidium> hexedit $partition_table? 14:42:11 <Eddi|zuHause> i'd like a way that is less likely to horribly screw up :p 14:42:49 <Rubidium> dd if=<file> of=<other_file> bs=1 count=<#bytes> 14:43:15 *** tb [91764840@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 14:43:38 <Rubidium> or open in hexedit, go to the location where to truncate and use its truncated feature 14:44:05 <Eddi|zuHause> all hexedits i know try to read the whole file into memory 14:44:07 <Rubidium> tb: http://rbijker.net/openttd/ought_to_help_mib_y6vk5k.diff <- needed a version bump 14:44:39 <tb> LOL! :) 14:44:49 <tb> so why not .. only add it for 2.2, and allow 2.0 nevertheless? 14:44:54 <glx> [16:29:59] <+glx> oh I know why I don't have problems with icu, it's because libpng or libfreetype adds -L/opt/local/lib 14:44:54 <glx> [16:30:42] <+glx> indeed png and freetype both adds that 14:45:12 <tb> glx: here freetype didn't for sure 14:45:13 <Rubidium> ah well, by now you could've just compiled coreutils 7.5' truncate 14:45:18 <tb> but I don't know who installed freetype and glx :) 14:45:47 <glx> I used macports to get all require libs 14:46:16 <tb> I only installed 'subversion' and 'icu', the rest was already there by then :p 14:46:56 <tb> and indeed, freetype and png are already there .. I guess by xcode 14:47:11 <glx> subversion installs a lot 14:47:45 <tb> yup, but not those 2 for 10.5 at least :) 14:48:08 <glx> I though svn was already installed in 10.5 14:48:14 <Rubidium> tb: not supporting 2.0 is easier and who still uses 2.0? (2.2 is over 7 years old, 2.0 almost 8 years) 14:48:23 <tb> yes: 1.4.4 is :p 14:48:33 <tb> Rubidium: so in that case your patch looks fine ;) 14:48:36 <glx> too old ;) 14:48:52 <tb> libpng is in xcode 14:49:09 <tb> in the 10.5 SDK 14:49:26 <tb> Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.5.sdk/usr/X11/lib/libpng.dylib <- to be exact 14:49:38 <tb> btw, installing subversion 1.6.4 takes FOR EVER 14:49:50 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17474 /trunk/config.lib: -Fix: in some cases compilation failed because the search path for ICU wasn't added to the ldflags 14:49:54 <glx> I know :) 14:49:58 <tb> tnx Rubidium 14:50:05 <glx> many packages to build 14:50:18 <tb> and it compiles them all :) 14:50:23 <tb> I got the feeling of Gentoo :p 14:50:44 <tb> but okay .. 10.5.8 also almost up and running 14:51:08 <tb> 10.6.0 doesn't want to boot with my current bootloader .. need to replace it :p 14:52:36 <tb> You can use the same booter partition for both Leopard and the recent Snow Leopard; <- yeah, finally :) 14:53:00 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:53:30 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 14:58:37 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r17475 /trunk/src/os/windows/ (crashlog_win.cpp ottdres.rc.in): -Codechange: show path to crash.log and crash.dmp in crash window. Also tells the user where crash.sav is when saving succeeded. 15:00:22 <Rubidium> woei :) 15:00:46 <Eddi|zuHause> yay. i now successfully installed coreutils 7.0 ;) 15:01:13 <glx> now if they can't find them, we can call them stupid :) 15:08:10 <tb> we do that anyway 15:08:59 <tb> installing zlib .. pff .. 15:09:08 <tb> TAKES LONG! (I love to translate things wrong) 15:11:17 *** tb [91764840@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 15:16:28 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77C85.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:16:46 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77C85.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:19:37 <planetmaker> hahaha :-) even though in an unusual case the letters, a different colour than usual and abbreviated, it became quite clear who tb might be ;-) 15:19:45 <planetmaker> after only reading 3 lines :-P 15:21:12 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aeja228.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 15:37:25 *** mib_xjamez [91764840@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 15:37:32 <mib_xjamez> Rubidium: icu-config is fucked here 15:37:35 <mib_xjamez> it doesn't add a space :p 15:37:44 <mib_xjamez> $ icu-config --ldflags-searchpath --ldflags-libsonly -L/opt/local/lib-licui18n -licuuc -licudata 15:37:50 <mib_xjamez> -L/opt/local/lib-licui18n -licuuc -licudata 15:37:54 <mib_xjamez> which of course doesn't compile ;) 15:37:56 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:37:59 <mib_xjamez> so you need to call icu-config twice :( 15:38:26 <Rubidium> fokkers 15:38:38 <mib_xjamez> I tend to agree 15:39:03 <mib_xjamez> if you btw only compile zlib with 'port', things fail too :p (as zlib doesn't insert search-path) 15:39:11 <mib_xjamez> but okay .. people should just install ICU :p 15:39:19 <mib_xjamez> bbl, going to try to boot to 10.6 now 15:39:26 *** mib_xjamez [91764840@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [] 15:40:36 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest1809 15:40:36 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@c-98-223-231-173.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 15:40:36 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 15:41:50 *** Guest1809 [~Dale@pool-71-120-111-153.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:41:51 *** Wolle [DrJekyll@p57B0BB63.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:42:26 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17476 /trunk/config.lib: -Fix (r17475): Some icu-configs have the 'feature' of not adding a space where others do add the space 15:43:14 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest1810 15:43:14 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@pool-71-120-111-153.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 15:43:14 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 15:45:11 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 15:49:31 *** Guest1810 [~Dale@c-98-223-231-173.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:54:03 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:55:46 *** TrueBrain [~truebrain@145.118.72.64] has joined #openttd 15:55:55 <TrueBrain> stupid 10.6 doesn't want to boot 15:56:04 <TrueBrain> a driver crashes p 15:57:56 <TrueBrain> tnx btw Rubidium 16:00:25 <glx> it was 17474 not 17475 ;) 16:03:40 <Rubidium> and you couldn't tell me that when I was writing the commit message? 16:03:55 <TrueBrain> oeh, I know that answer! 16:04:14 <Rubidium> scrap OSX support? 16:04:19 <TrueBrain> no 16:04:31 <TrueBrain> the answer was: no, he couldn't tell you when you were writing the commit message 16:04:33 <TrueBrain> dah! :( 16:05:12 <TrueBrain> k, patched up a few drivers 16:05:16 <TrueBrain> lets try 10.6 again :) 16:11:18 <Bjarni> is there a problem with 10.6 and OpenTTD? 16:11:26 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 16:11:39 <Rubidium> it's the eternal problem with OSX and OpenTTD 16:11:55 <Rubidium> doesn't want to be virtualised 16:11:57 <Bjarni> I meant something that's not present in 10.5 :p 16:12:45 <Rubidium> besides them messing with the headers in 10.6? 16:12:52 <Bjarni> ohh 16:12:57 <Bjarni> >_< 16:15:13 <Rubidium> although that's likely solved by messing with the CF and the newer SDK 16:15:46 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fc49d.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:15:54 <Rubidium> to get a cross-compile to fail in a similar way to so it then can be fixed/hacked around 16:23:32 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 16:27:16 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEd0b8.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 16:29:30 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.76] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:31:22 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 16:34:19 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.173.171] has joined #openttd 16:35:29 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77C85.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:35:41 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:35:46 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 16:35:47 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 16:35:52 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77C85.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:40:51 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.192.93] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:47:43 *** mib_jkbr8c [91764840@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 16:47:51 <mib_jkbr8c> hmm, I love pizza. 16:47:56 <mib_jkbr8c> That said: 10.6 runs :) 16:48:01 <Rubidium> :) 16:48:04 <mib_jkbr8c> (the 64bit kernel, I believe) 16:48:55 <mib_jkbr8c> lol, installing XCode gives the posibility to install 10.4 SDK, but no longer 10.3.9 SDK :p 16:48:56 <mib_jkbr8c> ghehehehe 16:49:04 <mib_jkbr8c> guess part of the 'Intel only' shit :p 16:49:12 <Rubidium> the 10.4u SDK is used for 10.3.9 16:49:23 <mib_jkbr8c> hmm .. 10.6 really looks very much like 10.5 .. in so many ways :( 16:49:33 <mib_jkbr8c> Rubidium: yeah, but in 10.5 you can explicitly install some 10.3.9 thingy 16:50:20 <Belugas> pizza.. perfect meal for the programmer on the run 16:50:43 <Belugas> coffee.. perfect drink for the programmer on the stale 16:51:17 <Belugas> break.. perfect moment for the programmer on a breakdown 16:51:31 <mib_jkbr8c> crazy .. perfect description for Belugas 16:51:33 * mib_jkbr8c hugs Belugas 16:51:36 <Bjarni> <mib_jkbr8c> lol, installing XCode gives the posibility to install 10.4 SDK, but no longer 10.3.9 SDK :p <-- actually Xcode only contains the "new" SDKs. There is an optional package to install SDKs for older OSes 16:51:36 <Belugas> :) 16:51:51 <Bjarni> you might have to download them for free from Apple though 16:52:03 <Bjarni> iI think you can still get an 10.1 SDK if you like 16:52:32 <mib_jkbr8c> the longer, the better kext I find, the better my system runs :) Now all that remains is my video and my audio .. :p 16:53:08 *** oskari89 [oskari89@212-149-207-211.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:53:38 <mib_jkbr8c> glx: 10.6 has svn 1.6.2 by default, so that is a lot better :) 16:53:57 <glx> don't forget to update flash ;) 16:54:07 <mib_jkbr8c> there were no udpates ..... 16:54:18 <glx> 10.6 comes with an outdated unsecure version 16:54:28 <mib_jkbr8c> nice! 16:54:36 <mib_jkbr8c> png .. zlib .. all default installed 16:55:04 <mib_jkbr8c> no ICU :p 16:57:40 <Rubidium> the real question is: does OSX support languages like Hebrew and Arabic? 16:57:49 <Bjarni> I think so 16:57:51 <Bjarni> checking 16:57:58 <mib_jkbr8c> Rubidium: Korean for sure, I noticed that 16:58:09 <mib_jkbr8c> the 10.5 series on my disk have that language, this 10.6 doesn't .. going to try to install those now :) 16:58:15 <Rubidium> Korean isn't in the same class as Hebrew and Arabic 16:58:35 <mib_jkbr8c> Japanese 16:58:36 <mib_jkbr8c> Chinese 16:58:41 <Rubidium> neither in the same class 16:58:41 <Bjarni> There is a Hebrew keyboard layout 16:58:55 <Rubidium> http://www.apple.com/macosx/specs.html doesn't list any RTL languages 16:58:56 <Bjarni> Arabic too 16:58:56 <mib_jkbr8c> Rubidium: then: no 16:59:06 <mib_jkbr8c> it isn't in the default installer anyway 17:00:12 <Rubidium> glx: but... OSX is "Highly secure by design" 17:00:24 <mib_jkbr8c> Rubidium: it is in the list of Language selection 17:00:25 <Bjarni> Looks like I can write RTL 17:01:14 <Rubidium> then why a) doesn't it include ICU and b) doesn't it list it on their website? 17:01:34 <Bjarni> ... 17:01:59 <mib_jkbr8c> okay, I am now going to activate a RTL language .. lets see what happens :p 17:02:22 <mib_jkbr8c> oh, 2 processes are still running (ICU install and a new 10.6 install :p) 17:03:11 <mib_jkbr8c> 33 minutes left for the latter .. so in 33 minutes I will be trying that :p 17:03:35 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-27-113-222.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 17:04:50 <Bjarni> http://www.apple.com/macosx/refinements/enhancements-refinements.html <-- read "Bidirectional text" 17:06:56 * Rubidium ponders counting OpenTTD's improvements the Apple way 17:07:59 <Bjarni> I still lack a "this is why YOU should upgrade" text 17:08:05 <Rubidium> where changing a single default means a single improvement 17:08:14 <Rubidium> Bjarni: that's because you're using a PPC mac :) 17:08:29 <Bjarni> actually I sold that one 17:13:41 <mib_jkbr8c> 4 minutes left .. 17:13:44 <mib_jkbr8c> it is like Windows :) 17:13:55 <mib_jkbr8c> well .. in reverse, I guess ;) 17:17:31 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DEB57.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:17:36 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:18:29 *** mib_jkbr8c [91764840@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: RTL ... what is that?] 17:20:58 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 17:21:04 * Belugas is watching over which slr camera to buy. such a boring job... when you think you've got it, there is that little stuff that bugs you to look for another one.. 17:21:49 <Belugas> i knwo what i wold like to have, a canon rebel xsi. but that is the one my wife has. and she does not want me to have the same :S nor the same brand 17:21:54 <Belugas> like.. that is SOOOOO easy! 17:25:06 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host214-232-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 17:25:10 <Wolf01> hello :D 17:25:10 *** mib_6ttome [91764840@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 17:25:20 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [] 17:25:26 <mib_6ttome> hmm .. it looks like rtl languages are just shows ltr 17:25:38 <mib_6ttome> the problem is that I can't read what language I really have selected, so I can't be 100% sure if it is rtl 17:25:40 <mib_6ttome> but it looks arabic :p 17:25:47 <mib_6ttome> btw, 10.6 64bit fails to compile OpenTTD :p 17:26:01 <mib_6ttome> :/Volumes/OSX-Shared/OpenTTD/10.6.0/src/strgen/../os/macosx/osx_stdafx.h:30:3: error: #error "Compiling 64 bits without _SQ64 set! (or vice versa)" 17:26:11 *** BaronChaos [~BaronChao@p5B269DA8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:27:09 <mib_6ttome> detecting cpu-type... 64 bits .. and that is correct ... 17:27:21 <Eddi|zuHause> arabic looks like this: ??????? ???? ??? ?? ????? ????? ???????? 23 ????? 17:27:26 *** ctibor [~quassel@77.48.228.43] has joined #openttd 17:27:40 <mib_6ttome> Eddi|zuHause: I know how it looks like .. yet I can't be 100% sure it is arabic I selected, and not some sub-language 17:27:41 <frosch123> [19:23] <Belugas> i knwo what i wold like to have, a canon rebel xsi. but that is the one my wife has. and she does not want me to have the same :S nor the same brand <- make her a gift and buy her a new one, then take the old 17:27:45 <mib_6ttome> (which might be ltr, for all I care) 17:28:04 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@62.199.91.15] has joined #openttd 17:28:36 <mib_6ttome> i686-apple-darwin10-gcc-4.2.1 (GCC) 4.2.1 (Apple Inc. build 5646) 17:29:21 <mib_6ttome> specs show it can produce 64bit 17:29:51 <Eddi|zuHause> (what i pasted is most likely not arabic anyway) 17:29:56 <Eddi|zuHause> (more like farsi) 17:31:00 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Quit: ecke] 17:31:04 <mib_6ttome> for now, lets assume osx_stdafx.h is wrong 17:31:13 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.76] has joined #openttd 17:31:33 <mib_6ttome> objs/lang/strgen: Mach-O 64-bit executable x86_64 <- clearly the compiler produces 64bit 17:32:20 <Bjarni> Belugas: having the same one could be beneficial. There are two identical phones in my household. They can use the same charger and stuff. The trick is that they have different colours so we can tell them apart 17:32:38 <mib_6ttome> Rubidium: http://paste.openttd.org/216779 <- I guess that gives something to think about? 17:32:41 <Bjarni> I see no reason why you shouldn't have the same one if you need to have two and you found one you like 17:32:53 <Belugas> hey frosch123: doubtfull she'll be pleased... she just love her current one... 17:33:03 <mib_6ttome> (mostly that seemly the dylib was not static :p) 17:33:13 <mib_6ttome> maybe I should have added --static ... 17:33:42 <Belugas> reason is simple: she does not want that we share the accessoires (read lenses and filters) with the risk of me breaking them 17:33:45 <Belugas> dhu... 17:33:58 <Bjarni> mib_6ttome: so far --static have broken more stuff that it fixed so I haven't used it 17:34:03 <mib_6ttome> http://paste.openttd.org/216780 <- also special for you Rubidium :) 17:34:27 <Bjarni> Belugas: so do you have a history of breaking lenses? 17:34:28 <petern> Bjarni, "has" 17:34:42 <mib_6ttome> Bjarni: well, as icu is not on any normal OSX system, I somehow do think there is some kind of static compiling going on ..... 17:35:45 <Bjarni> mib_6ttome: you should use the static libs for icu, not static in general 17:35:52 <Bjarni> it shouldn't be too easy :P 17:35:59 <Bjarni> hmm 17:36:16 <Bjarni> or maybe you should try --static and see how it works in your end 17:36:18 <mib_6ttome> Rubidium: 64bit is 1 minute 30 slower in compiling ;) 17:36:32 <mib_6ttome> I rather not check how things are _IN_ my end 17:36:45 <Bjarni> hehe 17:37:08 <mib_6ttome> now lets see what happens when I reboot in 32bit mode ... 17:37:12 <Bjarni> neither would we :P 17:37:14 *** mib_6ttome [91764840@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: Red button .. have to press ...] 17:38:04 <Belugas> Bjarni, no, but she does not want to determine if it is a valid fear or not 17:38:16 <petern> Belugas, let me guess, you're at work? 17:38:19 <Belugas> when yu know the proce of thoses lenses... you can understand that 17:38:35 <Belugas> at 1:38h pm? yup 17:38:37 <Belugas> sadly 17:38:38 <Bjarni> heh. I say the ability to share lenses is really a great argument for using the same camera 17:43:04 <TrueBrain> how cool, a 32bit kernel which can run 64bit executables :) 17:43:47 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@62.199.91.15] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:44:00 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@62.199.91.15] has joined #openttd 17:45:58 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r17477 /trunk/src/lang/ (13 files): (log message trimmed) 17:45:58 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:58 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: afrikaans - 36 changes by Maccie123 17:45:58 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: catalan - 2 changes by arnau 17:45:58 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: simplified_chinese - 1 changes by Gavin 17:46:00 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: english_US - 115 changes by agenthh 17:46:00 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: french - 2 changes by glx 17:46:55 *** nicfer [~Usuario@168.226.105.58] has joined #openttd 17:50:12 *** nicfer [~Usuario@168.226.105.58] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:50:18 <TrueBrain> on a side note: OSX doesn't run with 128 MB RAM :p 17:50:38 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 17:51:10 <Bjarni> OSX works with 128 MB RAM, but then you have to use 10.0 or 10.1 or something 17:51:51 <TrueBrain> sometimes ... the inteligence of people still amaze me 17:51:51 <Bjarni> but if you have a CPU, which is new enough to execute Snow Leopard then you should have way more memory than that 17:51:54 <TrueBrain> either way, bubye all :) 17:52:11 <Bjarni> ... 17:52:25 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@78.52.213.17] has joined #openttd 17:53:01 *** nicfer [~Usuario@168.226.105.58] has joined #openttd 17:53:40 *** nicfer [~Usuario@168.226.105.58] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:56:41 *** ctibor [~quassel@77.48.228.43] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:57:01 <Eddi|zuHause> Bjarni: it's not about the amount of physical ram, it's about defining a maximum size for the VM 17:59:53 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e180239202.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:59:53 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 18:00:08 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9C41.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:00:14 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 18:01:01 *** nicfer [~Usuario@168.226.105.58] has joined #openttd 18:01:46 *** ctibor [~quassel@77.48.228.43] has joined #openttd 18:04:05 <Belugas> ooouch... Nikon d20... wonderful beast... not so wonderful price :S 18:04:18 *** nicfer [~Usuario@168.226.105.58] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:05:06 <frosch123> i though you work in the right department for such tasks? 18:05:59 <Eddi|zuHause> :) 18:07:06 <Eddi|zuHause> if name="Belugas" then price/=10; 18:07:40 <Belugas> most of our customers are selling shoes and clothing 18:07:47 <Belugas> NONE are in electronics 18:07:51 <Belugas> nor diving... 18:07:52 <Belugas> nor music 18:07:55 * Belugas cries 18:08:24 <Eddi|zuHause> then buy shoes and resell them ;) 18:08:33 <frosch123> shoes? can you trade the camera with your wife? 18:11:46 <Belugas> buwhahahah!!!! 18:11:49 <Bjarni> lol 18:12:16 <Bjarni> now that's a stereotype to put on somebody's wife, whom you never met :) 18:12:42 <Bjarni> somehow Belugas doesn't strike me as a guy who would marry a shoe fanatic 18:12:55 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 18:13:22 <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: What, he's gay? 18:14:50 <Belugas> yeah, i'm secretely gay and i've married a woman who actually looks like a boy 18:18:40 <Eddi|zuHause> cool, when's the operation? 18:20:40 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEd0b8.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:24:15 <Belugas> when chicken will grow teeth! 18:26:10 <Yexo> http://www.freakingnews.com/pictures/16000/rare-chicken--16109.jpg 18:26:43 <Belugas> Norstar00 18:27:12 <Belugas> AlpahBeTaOmega2000 18:27:28 <Belugas> GetTheHellOutOfHereZeor00 18:27:58 <frosch123> the chickens are very fast these days 18:28:28 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... watching a horror movie parody twice is actually fun... you notice some details that you missed 18:28:44 <Eddi|zuHause> like the license plate saying "S-AW 1408" 18:29:10 <frosch123> what move? scary movie IX ? 18:29:30 <Eddi|zuHause> no... pro 7 funny movies 18:31:22 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 18:34:56 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:35:41 *** Yexo_ is now known as Yexo 18:37:21 <Belugas> # Oh Lord, there ain't not heaven! 18:40:25 *** _ln [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has joined #openttd 18:44:13 <_ln> 19:58:55 <@Rubidium> http://www.apple.com/macosx/specs.html doesn't list any RTL languages <--- i suppose that's the list of languages the user interface is available in 18:47:38 *** nicfer [~Usuario@168.226.105.58] has joined #openttd 18:48:27 <_ln> hej, Bjarni 18:51:13 <Bjarni> hello _ln 18:52:26 <Bjarni> <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: What, he's gay? <-- are you saying that gay people have no interest in fashion or shoes? 18:52:51 <_ln> Prof_Frink: DON'T ANSWER 18:54:25 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-168-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 18:54:51 <_ln> Bjarni: du har s?lt din PPC? :( 19:06:55 *** planetmaker is now known as ingo 19:07:04 *** ingo is now known as planetmaker 19:07:35 *** planetmaker is now known as Guest1825 19:07:36 *** Guest1825 is now known as planetmaker 19:12:40 <Belugas> identity crisis ^_^ 19:16:48 <Eddi|zuHause> i hate full recompiles 19:17:11 <Eddi|zuHause> especially when they're only because of some osx crap 19:17:28 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DEB57.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:17:38 <planetmaker> Belugas: new install :-) 19:17:52 <planetmaker> and... inability to get everything right in the first place. 19:17:57 <planetmaker> And good evening to you ;-) 19:18:52 <_ln> yeah, OS X is the one to blame 19:18:55 <Belugas> samo to you, mister 19:19:38 <planetmaker> _ln: well. maybe. But I guess it's rather system independent as chatzilla behaves the same everywhere. 19:22:29 <zachanima> <blatant copy> alright, I'm going to ask a possibly stupid question. Why are there separate String ID text files (ie. src/lang/esperanto.txt) when they all use (or should use, I think) the same identifiers? 19:22:36 * Belugas kicks the clock big time, frustrated to see it going so slooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow 19:23:00 <Belugas> stupid question indeed, zachanima 19:23:06 <Yexo> zachanima: I don't understand your question, all language files use the same identifiers 19:23:12 <planetmaker> zachanima: uhm? Different languages? 19:23:19 <Belugas> they are used for translation 19:23:25 <Belugas> the id is what is commun 19:23:50 <Belugas> and link all languages toguether 19:23:52 <zachanima> oh, wait. That really was a stupid question. My vim buffer wasn't wide enough to show the translations 19:24:03 <zachanima> ignore the above 19:24:06 <zachanima> =D 19:24:07 <Belugas> to late! 19:24:10 <Belugas> too 19:24:30 <zachanima> D= 19:24:51 <glx> next time think a little more before asking ;) 19:26:21 <zachanima> I did think. Quite a bit, indeed. Just not enough to think that more was hidden behind the dark edge of the buffer - after all, all StringIDs were neatly finished and nothing hinted at the lines being longer than that 19:26:28 <zachanima> =( 19:27:09 <planetmaker> except the fact that it wouldn't make sense ;-) 19:27:55 <zachanima> hence my sensing a need to ask. And look, it worked! 19:32:56 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: for the first you probably didn't add the right architectures to the icu lib you compiled. Secondly you're using a 'beta' version of ICU and I haven't been able to cross-compile ICU 4.2 yet. The latter... you're the first to notice that that might need 'the other' cast 19:32:57 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@c-98-223-231-173.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:32:57 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest1829 19:32:57 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 19:33:36 * planetmaker also needs still icu... 19:35:47 <Rubidium> planetmaker: devs.openttd.org/~rubidium/apple-darwin9.tar.bz2 has the libs for the CF; you might need to remove some stuff though 19:36:06 <planetmaker> I need darwin10 ;-) 19:36:18 <planetmaker> and last time I installed icu from the sources which worked fine 19:36:43 <Rubidium> planetmaker: the 9 is just 'bogus' 19:37:07 <planetmaker> :-) Ok, I shall get that then. I guess that has all dependencies of OpenTTD? 19:37:50 <Rubidium> yup, for ppc, 'ppc g5', ppc64, i386 and x64 (or whatever they're called exactly) 19:38:03 <planetmaker> sounds good. 19:38:07 <planetmaker> and like what I want :-) 19:38:34 <planetmaker> adding all that to the 5GB of my ottd folder... I guess it'd double it :-) 19:39:26 *** Guest1829 [~Dale@pool-71-120-111-153.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:40:43 <Rubidium> then bz2 must be awfully impressively good in compressing 19:41:41 <planetmaker> hm... I understand it right, that I can copy the stuff right into the folders like they're named? 19:42:21 <Rubidium> well, for the CF it has to be extracted in /usr/ 19:42:38 <planetmaker> and /lib/ 19:42:39 <Rubidium> then add /usr/apple-darwin9/bin to the path 19:43:17 <Rubidium> planetmaker: you'll end up with /usr/apple-darwin9/usr/include etc. 19:43:27 <Wolf01> 'night 19:43:30 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host214-232-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 19:43:47 <planetmaker> ah, that way you do it. 19:44:06 <Rubidium> at least that's how it's done in the CF to keep it out of the 'normal' gcc 19:44:29 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-27-113-222.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:44:45 <planetmaker> making it vice versa sounds the more reasonable approach here :-) 19:46:03 <planetmaker> but if I'm (un)lucky, macports will have half of it already installed while installing mercurial 19:46:32 <Rubidium> the icu in that tarball is a... uhm... very light version; only has 1 of the 4 or so libs 19:47:04 <planetmaker> he... 19:47:06 <Rubidium> http://rbijker.net/openttd/ports/osx/build-icu 19:48:05 <planetmaker> so the rest is, concerning OpenTTD, quite non-needed... 19:48:52 <planetmaker> at least libiconv is now already done. 19:51:20 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: does http://rbijker.net/openttd/const_cast.diff fix the cast warning? 19:52:26 *** [wito] [~wito@25.244.251.212.customer.cdi.no] has joined #openttd 19:52:42 <planetmaker> sounds like the place where I have one, too 19:52:58 <PeterT> !password 19:52:58 *** PeterT was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [Wrong channel. Retry in #openttdcoop.] 19:53:10 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-168-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:53:13 <PeterT> gah, i cant read 19:54:39 <planetmaker> do you want that statement commented? 19:54:41 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest1832 19:54:42 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-120-111-153.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 19:55:04 <Bjarni> planetmaker: no... it's enough to log it for quick reference in the future 19:55:14 <planetmaker> I agree. 19:55:31 <planetmaker> Does Dorpsgek have @quote 19:55:34 <planetmaker> @quote 19:55:40 <planetmaker> hm. no :-) 19:58:15 <Belugas> what happened to you, petern? 19:58:22 <Belugas> oups.. 19:58:25 <Belugas> sorry.. 19:58:32 <Belugas> what happened to you, PeterT? 19:58:48 <PeterT> what? 19:59:13 *** williham [~wito@25.244.251.212.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:59:35 <PeterT> Belugas: what? 20:00:01 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@frquadrat.de] has quit [Quit: Der Worte sind genug gewechselt, lasst mich auch endlich Taten sehn!] 20:00:05 <Bjarni> Belugas: there is no reason to write to PeterT. We already know he is unable to read anyway :P 20:00:23 *** Guest1832 [~Dale@c-98-223-231-173.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:00:26 <PeterT> I keep geting #openttd and #openttdcoop mixed up 20:01:46 <Belugas> ho 20:01:56 * Belugas sends you some glasses 20:02:06 <Rubidium> maybe we ought to +q him :) 20:02:21 <Rubidium> well... not we, you... I don't see him anyways :) 20:03:09 <PeterT> what does it matter if I !password, dorpsgek kicks me, I realize what channel I'm in 20:03:53 <PeterT> then I go to the correct one 20:04:40 <Belugas> there is a maximum of 10 kicks. 20:04:46 <Belugas> after that, you're banned 20:05:18 <PeterT> automatically or is that the new rule? 20:05:25 <Yexo> <@Rubidium> maybe we ought to +q him :) <- /me sometimes wishes the forum had that function 20:05:47 <Rubidium> Belugas: then why hasn't he banned yet? 20:05:58 <Belugas> :D 20:06:19 <Belugas> agreed with Yexo 20:06:30 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@client-86-26-253-221.brnt.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:10:53 <Eddi|zuHause> i wish the forum had a useful ignore function 20:10:57 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@client-86-26-253-221.brnt.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 20:11:39 <PeterT> Add Foe 20:12:04 *** th1ngwath is now known as thingwath 20:12:14 <Eddi|zuHause> i know that. and it is useless 20:12:18 <Yexo> PeterT: if you have nothing usefull to say, please don't make a reply at all (for example: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=816429#p816429) 20:12:47 <Eddi|zuHause> brb, screwing up my system. (aka installing kernel) 20:12:57 <Rubidium> Yexo: just report those kinds of posts 20:13:29 <PeterT> Rubidium: I'm fixing it 20:13:41 <PeterT> does rubidium see me when I highlight him? 20:13:43 * Rubidium heards some mods don't like back seat moderation 20:14:21 *** Aankhen`` [~foo@122.162.154.56] has quit [] 20:14:29 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77C85.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:14:34 <Xaroth> Rubidium: you ignored him didn't you? :P 20:14:36 <Yexo> well, "back seat moderation" is quite vague, and often a small reply from a non-mod helps to keep a topic in shape 20:16:14 *** R0b0t1 [~Enigma@64-136-216-213.dyn.everestkc.net] has joined #openttd 20:18:18 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-27-113-222.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 20:19:20 <PeterT> Yexo: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=816429#p816429 20:19:27 <frosch123> let's do some backseat coding 20:20:02 <Xaroth> PeterT: next time just don't post at all? I recall a certain moment not too long ago giving you that hint.. yet still you do it? 20:20:16 <PeterT> ok, I will delete the post 20:20:31 <Xaroth> you can't 'delete' the post 20:20:34 <Xaroth> just.. don't do it again? 20:21:10 <Xaroth> Making mistakes isn't wrong, not learning from made mistakes, however, is. 20:21:43 <PeterT> ok, I will not do it again 20:22:20 <PeterT> I'm off for now, will be back later 20:22:29 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7600E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:22:35 <PeterT> and please, no "THANK GOD HE'S OFF!" 20:22:43 <Xaroth> THANK GOD HE'S OFF! 20:22:46 <Terkhen> :D 20:22:48 <Xaroth> .. you asked for that, really 20:22:49 <planetmaker> thank god 20:22:52 <Yexo> Xaroth: he isn't off yet 20:22:56 <Eddi|zuHause> THANK GOD HE'S OFF!!1!11einself 20:22:57 <Xaroth> Yexo: so? 20:23:22 <Eddi|zuHause> of course the ATI module does not compile for the new kernel! 20:23:27 <Xaroth> heh 20:23:34 <Yexo> nothing really, and he did indeed ask for that :) 20:23:40 <Eddi|zuHause> and i can't update the ati module, because support for my card has been dropped... 20:23:42 <Xaroth> :) 20:23:51 <Xaroth> Eddi|zuHause: sucks to be your kernel then :o 20:23:59 <Xaroth> I sense it getting stabbed some time soon 20:24:24 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: long live ATI/AMD :) 20:24:34 <frosch123> [22:24] <Eddi|zuHause> THANK GOD HE'S OFF!!1!11einself <- hmm, actually does anyone know whether eleventyone originates from lord of the rings, or is it older 20:25:05 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't know... i only heard it in lotr-related contexts 20:25:51 <frosch123> well, i had the book at hand some days ago, and bilbo turns eleventyone at the party 20:26:01 <Eddi|zuHause> but it's very likely that this is an old form of forming numbers 20:26:13 <Eddi|zuHause> yes. that's the place 20:26:34 <Rubidium> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/eleventy <- says eleventy comes from Old English 20:26:47 <Eddi|zuHause> like the french way of saying "eighty" (as "4 times 20") 20:27:17 <Eddi|zuHause> was also used in other places ("6 times 20" being 120, etc.) 20:27:22 <Rubidium> evelenteen is used in the 1600s 20:27:27 <Eddi|zuHause> but that usage disappeared over time 20:27:53 <Eddi|zuHause> Tolkien was a language professor, after all 20:28:12 <Eddi|zuHause> so it makes sense that he refers to such ancient language features 20:28:15 *** Chris_Booth is now known as Guest1838 20:28:23 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@client-86-27-233-99.popl.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 20:28:24 <Rubidium> yup, fairly sure it's him just using old words 20:28:29 <Eddi|zuHause> like the rohirrim speaking old english 20:29:03 <Eddi|zuHause> some critics say he only wrote the novels so he had a place where his languages could play ;) 20:29:54 <Eddi|zuHause> i didn't actually read the books, nor did i watch the films in english... 20:30:11 <Eddi|zuHause> but some bits and pieces you hear from all sides 20:32:27 <_ln> Eddi|zuHause: i was taught in the university that the rohirrim didn't use any french-originating words (in the books at least). 20:33:16 <Eddi|zuHause> that makes sense, because old-english was spoken before the invasion of 1066 20:33:38 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has quit [Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: , sources date: 20090115, built on: 2009/03/07 00:45:02 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/] 20:33:43 *** Guest1838 [~Chris_Boo@client-86-26-253-221.brnt.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:34:27 <Eddi|zuHause> there are a few bits of old english in the movie, and in the sound track 20:34:28 <Rubidium> eleventy comes from old times when there was a base-12 number system 20:34:28 <frosch123> [22:31] <Eddi|zuHause> i didn't actually read the books, nor did i watch the films in english... <- well, it was "einundelfzig", but i generally do not expect translators to come up with such :) 20:34:37 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r17478 /trunk/src/ai/api/ai_changelog.hpp: -Document [NoAI]: descibe changes in subsidy logic in AI changelog 20:35:05 <frosch123> [22:35] <Rubidium> eleventy comes from old times when there was a base-12 number system <- so twenty was actually 24 ? 20:35:30 <SmatZ> Terkhen: nice patch ;) 20:35:31 <Rubidium> frosch123: that the etymology dictionary doesn't say 20:35:42 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: no, those are two dozen... it wasn't actually called "twenty" then ;) 20:35:49 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9C41.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:36:06 <Terkhen> thanks :) 20:36:15 <Eddi|zuHause> but yes, the decimal system was not the only system used in history 20:36:33 <Eddi|zuHause> the babylonian system used a base of 60 20:36:37 <Terkhen> I think I got everything right :P 20:36:54 <Xaroth> #openttd is off-topic as usual :P 20:37:09 <Eddi|zuHause> pssst!!! don't jinx it 20:37:10 <frosch123> yeah, i heard of that system, but noone ever knew, whether they had 60 symbols 20:37:23 <Eddi|zuHause> no, they had two symbols, for 10 and 1 20:37:25 *** Azrael [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 20:37:33 <Eddi|zuHause> the 1 system could be grouped in up to 9 20:37:39 <Eddi|zuHause> and the 10 symbol up to 6 20:37:46 <Chruker> doesnt openttd stand for open-talks-to-dudes? 20:38:16 <Eddi|zuHause> so it would look like "3 times 10 plus 6" for 36 20:38:30 <Terkhen> mmm... no, I didn't 20:39:04 <Belugas> dudes? certainly not 20:39:10 <SmatZ> :( 20:39:22 <Belugas> i hate the use of dudes. 20:39:24 <Chruker> dudettes? 20:39:26 <SmatZ> Terkhen: no compile after applying to trunk 20:39:36 <Belugas> why not friends? pals? 20:39:43 <SmatZ> ah my fault 20:39:57 <Terkhen> ok :) 20:40:06 * SmatZ applies nested_querystring_r17477.diff 20:40:40 <Terkhen> I'm missing a check to set the string to something when there's no more random town names available 20:41:10 <SmatZ> Terkhen: somehow, crash 20:41:15 <Terkhen> :( 20:41:18 <SmatZ> segfault 20:41:37 <Terkhen> okay, I'll get to it :P 20:41:40 <SmatZ> [07] ./openttd(_ZN15FoundTownWindow14PlaceProc_TownEj+0x14) [0x6b1214] 20:41:42 <Eddi|zuHause> http://home.fonline.de/fo0126//geschichte/images/keilschrift.jpg <- babylonian digits 20:42:58 <frosch123> hmm, that raises the question, did they use them as digits, or did they stop counting at 59 :o 20:43:34 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, they used them as digits 20:43:49 * SmatZ wonders how he would write 850 20:44:00 <frosch123> and they could dinstringuish 20 from 610 20:44:10 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, by adding spaces ;) 20:44:16 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:44:21 <Eddi|zuHause> or using a dot as 0 20:44:29 * Belugas likes the maya system a lot more 20:44:34 <Eddi|zuHause> (which is said to be the origin of the 0 symbol) 20:44:42 <frosch123> SmatZ: <III < 20:45:10 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: they even used them to show fractional numbers, but i don't really know how they distinguished them 20:45:29 <SmatZ> frosch123: 13 10 ? 20:45:39 <Eddi|zuHause> i've seen a plate that shows some trigonometric calculation 20:45:39 <frosch123> @calc 13*60 + 10 20:45:39 <DorpsGek> frosch123: 790 20:45:47 <frosch123> oh, i failed :( 20:45:47 <SmatZ> ah 20:46:01 <SmatZ> they used base 60 20:46:06 <SmatZ> interesting 20:46:09 <frosch123> missed a "I" 20:46:30 <frosch123> SmatZ: you don't know the evil 7 ? 20:46:57 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, 7 is the first number that does not divide 60 ;) 20:47:20 <frosch123> resp. 60 is dividable by any number, except 7 :p 20:47:22 <Chruker> @calc 60/7 20:47:22 <DorpsGek> Chruker: 8.57142857143 20:47:40 <Xaroth> @calc 60/8 20:47:40 <DorpsGek> Xaroth: 7.5 20:47:46 <Xaroth> @calc 60/9 20:47:46 <DorpsGek> Xaroth: 6.66666666667 20:48:18 <frosch123> Xaroth: 2, 2, 3, 5 20:48:27 <Eddi|zuHause> Xaroth: yes, but those are finite fractions in 60-system 20:48:33 <frosch123> @factorise 60 20:48:43 <frosch123> @factorize 60 20:48:56 <frosch123> DorpsGek cannot do the most important tasks :( 20:51:23 <Eddi|zuHause> m9: ``(2)^2*``(3)*``(5) 20:52:11 <SmatZ> frosch123: interesting 20:52:12 <Belugas> mmh... never knew babylonians could do fractions 20:52:16 <Belugas> interesting 20:52:18 <Terkhen> SmatZ: what did you do to make it crash? I recompiled with the attached patches but I don't get any crashes while using it 20:52:39 <SmatZ> Terkhen: several times pressed "Randomize", then placed the town 20:52:41 <SmatZ> boom 20:53:07 <SmatZ> looks reproducible 20:53:24 <SmatZ> I don't even need to randomize new name 20:55:08 <frosch123> night 20:55:11 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fc49d.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:55:50 <Eddi|zuHause> Belugas: it works like minutes are a fraction of hours, and seconds a fraction of minutes 20:56:12 <Eddi|zuHause> (same way for angles) 20:56:28 <SmatZ> Terkhen: seems you are strdup()ing NULL string 20:56:33 <Belugas> and it's from them that we inherit our time calculations 20:56:36 <SmatZ> http://paste.openttd.org/216786 20:56:40 <Terkhen> I can't reproduce it 20:56:40 *** petern [~petern@lachesis.fuzzle.org] has left #openttd [night] 20:56:41 <Terkhen> let's see 20:57:03 <SmatZ> maybe windows strdup handles NULL strings 20:57:16 <Eddi|zuHause> the time calculation itself is fairly modern, but it's based on the babylonian system, yes 20:57:57 <Belugas> talking about the time, not the calendar ;) 20:58:49 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, the time as in 22 hours, 58 minutes and 56 seconds 20:59:08 <Terkhen> seems like that... I'll check everything then, it should not be hard to correct 20:59:33 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, i was 6 seconds early ;) 21:01:29 <Belugas> night all 21:05:59 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@client-86-27-233-99.popl.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.2/20090729225027]] 21:07:39 * Terkhen reboots 21:07:40 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@153.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 21:07:41 *** Azrael [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:07:46 <TrueBrain> [19:57] <Eddi|zuHause> Bjarni: it's not about the amount of physical ram, it's about defining a maximum size for the VM <- thank you for explaining that, I couldn't bring myself to it :) 21:08:11 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, i know that i'm too nice of a person 21:08:27 <Eddi|zuHause> i can't really be a BOFH ;) 21:08:32 <TrueBrain> [21:32] <Rubidium> TrueBrain: for the first you probably didn't add the right architectures to the icu lib you compiled <- on a 64bit (10.6) I tried to run the 10.5 binary; but clearly the icu was not static compiled. 4.2 is btw automaticly via macports 21:09:13 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: I can :) 21:09:15 <TrueBrain> more every day 21:10:08 <TrueBrain> VMWare really can't boot OSX :p 21:11:14 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: all binaries you compile on a 10.6 seem to be 64bit by default. So in this case that is just bad luck :p No idea if you can make macports also compile the i386 version :p 21:11:57 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i must have installed some font package... everything looks different... 21:12:17 <TrueBrain> hmm .. Local APIC version 0x11, 0x14 or more expected 21:12:19 <TrueBrain> darn :p 21:12:35 <planetmaker> viva la macports? ;-) 21:14:51 <TrueBrain> macports is nice, sort of :) 21:15:05 <TrueBrain> just that it always compiles shit, not so much .. and that it does the latest, not so much :) 21:15:15 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@153.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 21:15:37 *** Antigon [~Poly@n15-60.dsl.vianetworks.de] has joined #openttd 21:16:55 <TrueBrain> what to do to fix that problem .. hmm .. 21:17:37 <Rubidium> replace it with the lib from the compile farm? 21:17:52 <TrueBrain> my APIC problem ;) 21:18:00 <Rubidium> hmm... never mind, that won't work... stupid strict versioning of ICU :( 21:18:03 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: btw, my main problem with ICU was the fact it tried to find the lib in the first place :) 21:18:16 <TrueBrain> I mean ... no normal OSX systems have it installed 21:19:14 <TrueBrain> so I wonder what goes 'wrong' there .. our assumption, or? 21:19:32 <Rubidium> huh? 21:19:40 <TrueBrain> me install OSX retail 21:19:43 <TrueBrain> me no libicu shit 21:19:49 <TrueBrain> me start openttd, openttd tries to find libicu 21:19:52 <TrueBrain> error 21:20:11 <Rubidium> uhm... we compile lib into universal binary (at least on the CF) 21:20:25 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: lib, yes, but do we add that lib? 21:20:44 <TrueBrain> else we need to staticly compile it into OpenTTD, right? 21:20:59 <Rubidium> yes, which is exactly what we do for OSX 21:21:08 <TrueBrain> and that is what I mean, yes 21:21:16 *** worldemar [~woldemar@188.122.226.145] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:21:39 <Rubidium> for all libs except iconv, because OSX made (AFAIR) a mess of stuff 21:21:55 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: and that is exactly what I was trying to say 21:22:04 <TrueBrain> by default OpenTTD doesn't do it, so I was wondering if I should have added static or what ever 21:22:17 <TrueBrain> of course a certain person immediatly told me I shouldn't, but clearly the CF does :) 21:23:15 <Rubidium> (and has been for as long as I remember) 21:23:50 <Eddi|zuHause> "a certain person"... i wonder who could be meant :p 21:24:39 *** Zahl [~Zahl@78.52.213.17] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 21:25:52 <Rubidium> anyhow, does http://rbijker.net/openttd/const_cast.diff do the trick 21:26:28 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: was just avoiding a HL :) 21:26:51 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, of course you were ;) 21:27:05 <Eddi|zuHause> "Ein Schelm, wer b?ses dabei denkt." 21:33:31 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aeja228.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 21:34:02 <_ln> Rubidium's patch doesn't make any semantical difference, does it? 21:35:16 <planetmaker> Rubidium: here it fixes the compile warning 21:37:15 <TrueBrain> I can't find anywhere why my ACPI version would be wrong .. and why 10.6 complains, but 10.5 not (while both need 0x14 :p) 21:38:17 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: I have to reboot to 10.6 to check that 21:38:23 <TrueBrain> first trying out this stupid vbox :p 21:38:29 <TrueBrain> but if planetmaker says it fixes it .. I believe him ;) 21:44:09 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17479 /trunk/src/os/unix/unix.cpp: -Fix: silence compile warning that's only triggered when you're using a broken iconv. 21:44:36 <planetmaker> :-D 21:44:50 * planetmaker breaks together :-P 21:45:09 <planetmaker> and wishes all a good night. 21:45:25 <TrueBrain> night planetmaker 21:45:58 <Eddi|zuHause> gnarf... the open source driver has no acceleration to speak of... 21:46:13 <Rubidium> which of the two? 21:46:15 <Eddi|zuHause> i can't even watch video/tv in full screen 21:46:28 <Eddi|zuHause> hm. the radeon one, i believe 21:47:19 <TrueBrain> what OS? 21:47:31 <Rubidium> linux-ish 21:47:41 <TrueBrain> I can watch 1080i non-accelerated fullscreen just fine :) 21:47:52 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: with what driver exactly? 21:47:57 <TrueBrain> only under windows I needed a real codec :) 21:48:08 <Rubidium> and are you talking about an ATI video card? 21:48:17 <TrueBrain> I am talking about a non-accelerated video-card :p 21:48:25 <TrueBrain> nowedays I got the dri to work :) 21:48:29 <TrueBrain> Intel something 21:48:46 <TrueBrain> I just meant to say my CPU does all the hard work :p 21:49:04 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't exactly have a decent CPU either ;) 21:49:16 <Rubidium> that explains... the Intel drivers are generally good, whereas the ATI drivers are *all* crap in one way or another 21:49:20 <TrueBrain> is it me, or are those recaptcha less and less useable? 21:49:34 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: very true :) But even with the VESA driver loaded my movie playback looks good :) 21:49:46 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: why? I haven't seen spam on the wiki for a *long* time 21:49:49 <Eddi|zuHause> well, the more intelligent machines get, the less efficient CAPTCHAs will be 21:50:02 <TrueBrain> as human I have to press 'new' between 10 and 15 times, before I can enter the right values 21:50:30 <Eddi|zuHause> we should switch to the kitten-captchas ;) 21:51:35 <TrueBrain> STUPID LOCAL APIC! GIVE ME VERSION 0x14! Pff :( 21:54:26 <Eddi|zuHause> http://aur.archlinux.org/packages/catalyst-old/catalyst-old/2.6.29.diff <- i wonder if that does any good 21:54:48 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-224-41.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:56:00 <TrueBrain> http://www.alternate.de/html/product/Grafikkarten_PCI/Sparkle/SF-PC84GS512U2LP/324106/?tn=HARDWARE&l1=Grafik&l2=PCI-Karten <- that would do you very good 21:56:17 <TrueBrain> (warning: random pick from alternate.de) 21:56:24 <Eddi|zuHause> yes. but i'll need a whole new system anyway 21:56:40 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't even have PCIe 21:56:49 <TrueBrain> that is why this is about PCI :) 21:56:53 <TrueBrain> and I am pretty sure you do have that :p 21:57:50 <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, i'll try that patch first ;) 21:58:10 <TrueBrain> case 0x03: /* version */ 21:58:12 <TrueBrain> val = 0x11 | ((APIC_LVT_NB - 1) << 16); /* version 0x11 */ 21:58:16 <TrueBrain> hardcoded return of version 0x11 .. hmm .. 21:58:28 <SmatZ> TrueBrain: impressive 21:58:37 <TrueBrain> what is? 21:58:41 <SmatZ> I thought last PCI card was some GF5200 21:58:57 <TrueBrain> oh, I have no idea what I gave him in that link :p 21:59:02 <SmatZ> I have 4000MX and it was one of last sold here 21:59:07 <TrueBrain> just browsed a random PCI nVidia chipset :p 21:59:20 <TrueBrain> +with 21:59:24 <SmatZ> :) 21:59:45 <TrueBrain> so ... 10.6 doesn't want to boot with APIC 0x11 .. what to do .. what to do ... 21:59:56 <SmatZ> apart from MATROXes > 500Euro 22:00:58 <_ln> Eddi|zuHause: have you considered buying a Mac? 22:01:18 <Eddi|zuHause> over my dead body. 22:01:29 <SmatZ> hmm found "PowerColor HD2400 Pro 256MB , PCI" for ~30Euro 22:01:30 <TrueBrain> cool, can I have it then? 22:02:43 <Eddi|zuHause> you want my dead body? 22:03:02 <TrueBrain> no, the mac you own by then 22:03:05 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: figure out what's the difference between 0x11 and 0x14, implement whatever is missing and change to 0x14 22:03:13 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: no thank you :) 22:03:22 <TrueBrain> isn't the APIC version in the DSDT? 22:04:22 <SmatZ> TrueBrain: I suppose you had a look into BIOS 22:04:27 <Eddi|zuHause> SmatZ: it's a fairly abundant list http://www.alternate.de/html/categoryListing.html?cat1=009&cat2=041&cat3=000&&tn=HARDWARE&l1=Grafik&l2=PCI-Karten& 22:04:34 <SmatZ> like, I can change APIC version in BIOS 22:04:45 <TrueBrain> this is VirtualBox .. everything is preset :( 22:04:46 <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause: nice :) 22:05:37 <TrueBrain> but okay, I can load the DSDT of my real machine into virtualbox .. 22:05:59 <TrueBrain> nope, APIC version is not in the DSDT :) 22:06:26 <TrueBrain> k, time to boot to OSX, and see if I can get my videocard to work :) 22:06:29 <TrueBrain> have a good night all 22:07:39 <Rubidium> can't really find APIC being defined to any value in my dsdt 22:08:04 <Terkhen> SmatZ: I have uploaded a new version, it should work now 22:15:14 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:22:31 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, i still can't compile fglrx with the patch above... 22:27:26 <_ln> Guten 8. 22:27:47 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: yeah, APIC is not defined via DSDT .. which is too bad, as I can fake thatone :) 22:27:53 <Prof_Frink> _ln: Too busy playing with some big jugs anyway 22:28:09 <TrueBrain> on a fun fact: installing 10.4.8, with 10.2 SDK :p 22:28:24 <TrueBrain> no idea if that will ever boot 22:29:18 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C2E6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:29:59 <TrueBrain> just downloaded an IRC client, which immediatly told me the trial was over :p 22:30:14 <Xaroth> lol 22:30:29 <TrueBrain> but I love my NX connection, now at least I just can IRC normally :p 22:31:50 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-27-113-222.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: Tsch?ss] 22:33:09 <TrueBrain> permission errors all over the place ... sigh .. sucks ... 22:34:11 <TinoDidriksen> Trying to Hackintosh in VirtualBox ? 22:35:12 <TrueBrain> we are trying that for ages 22:35:17 <TrueBrain> still no luck .. on simple things, mostly 22:35:32 <TinoDidriksen> I don't recall anyone ever getting VirtualBox to work, but VMWare Server has been reported to work. 22:35:51 <TrueBrain> no worries, we know 22:36:23 <TinoDidriksen> Kinda intrigued, 'cause I've been trying to hackintosh my laptop for the past few days, with no luck... 22:36:45 <TrueBrain> I have it running on my local system, no problem 22:37:01 <TrueBrain> the biggest problem of all is getting an OSX on it for the first time .. after that, things are no real issue anymore 22:38:04 <TrueBrain> so try any and all osx86 versions out there :) Leo4all, iDeneb, iPC, .... 22:38:10 <TinoDidriksen> Getting it to boot is my issue. Installing is not an issue, but no matter which magic drivers I choose it panics... 22:38:17 <TrueBrain> 10.5.5 where possible, 10.5.6 if you need to 22:38:27 <TrueBrain> panics on what? 22:38:33 <TrueBrain> (the fact it detects your drive is 90% of the work :p) 22:38:43 <TrueBrain> panics before or after [S0 S1 ...] 22:39:10 <TrueBrain> and what CPU? 22:39:32 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r17480 /trunk/src/aircraft_cmd.cpp: -Fix (r17405): fast aircraft could get stuck flyin gin circles trying to reach a certain point 22:39:42 <TrueBrain> Sep 9 00:39:03 osxs-Mac-Pro pkgExtractor[16940]: BomFileError 13: Permission denied - /Volumes/OSX-10.4.8//Library/Preferences/SystemConfiguration/._com.apple.Boot.plist <- lovely installers .... 22:42:02 <TinoDidriksen> Intel C2D. I tried iPC, which would not install (DVD rebooted over and over), but iDeneb installs just fine, then stops at "MAC Framework successfully initialized, using 16384 buffer headers and 4096 clister IO buffer heads" 22:42:18 <TinoDidriksen> +spelling 22:42:38 <TrueBrain> hehe, a classic point, yes 22:42:44 <TrueBrain> IDeneb 1.5.5 or 1.5.6? 22:42:54 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-120-111-153.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:42:56 <TrueBrain> (big difference, 1.5.6 needs DSDT patching, 1.5.5 is a bit easier) 22:43:36 <TinoDidriksen> iDeneb 1.6, OS X 10.5.8, with DSDT patch included. 22:43:46 <TrueBrain> try 1.5.5 :) 22:44:02 *** DaleStan [~Dale@98.223.108.117] has joined #openttd 22:44:07 <TrueBrain> if you once can get an OSX running, you can try a vanilla OSX install (you want this, believe me :p) 22:44:23 <TrueBrain> but you need HFS+ access to do that right :) 22:44:57 <TinoDidriksen> I just want XCode to test code and make some dmg distributions. 22:44:59 <TrueBrain> also, try booting with cpus=1, that fixed my initial boot problem :) (included the cpus=1 fix from iDeneb to make it permanent :p) 22:45:11 <TrueBrain> that is all we want it for too ;) 22:45:17 <TrueBrain> yet still no luck in virtualbox :( 22:45:20 <TinoDidriksen> I tried cpus=1 -v -f -x and all those tricks... 22:45:31 <TrueBrain> -f is bullshit, OSX does that kind of automatic 22:46:07 <TrueBrain> Sep 9 00:42:15 osxs-Mac-Pro com.apple.kextd[961]: Can't create kext cache under / - owner not root. <- what? Owner of / not root? :p 22:46:28 <TinoDidriksen> That should be easy to fix... 22:47:28 <TrueBrain> whoho, 1 hit on google for my error ... 22:47:41 <TrueBrain> Sep 9 00:42:16 osxs-Mac-Pro com.apple.kextd[961]: Can't load /Volumes/OSX-Shared/VoodooHDA/trunk/tmp/VoodooHDA.kext - validation problems. 22:47:43 <TrueBrain> thatone 22:48:50 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17481 /trunk/src/station_cmd.cpp: -Fix (r16998): in cases where the northern most tile of an airport-to-build didn't touch the station you wanted it to join, but another part did, it wouldn't join the airport to the existing station 22:49:02 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:54:23 <TrueBrain> I hate it when people make a forum post: just download the source and compile it for 64bit! 22:54:26 <TrueBrain> when that completely fails :p 23:00:30 <TrueBrain> haha, iTunes: do you want to accept? DECLINE 23:00:34 <TrueBrain> restart, it never asked me again :p 23:01:19 <TrueBrain> yippie, audio works :) 23:01:21 <TinoDidriksen> Interesting legal loophole... 23:01:54 <TrueBrain> I wonder if it also works over my fiber port 23:05:40 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r17482 /trunk/src/airport_movement.h: -Fix (r17405): helicopters were not able to land anymore on the intercontinental airport 23:08:59 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:10:04 *** williham [~wito@25.244.251.212.customer.cdi.no] has joined #openttd 23:13:26 *** worldemar [~woldemar@188.122.226.145] has joined #openttd 23:14:51 <TrueBrain> now .. video ... 23:14:54 <TrueBrain> much more important :p 23:15:34 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 23:17:03 *** [wito] [~wito@25.244.251.212.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:20:34 <Eddi|zuHause> so... now i have seriously hacked this damn thing around any error... 23:20:42 <Eddi|zuHause> this can't possibly be running :p 23:20:47 <TrueBrain> hehe 23:21:11 <Eddi|zuHause> fglrx: Unknown symbol flush_tlb_page 23:22:17 <TrueBrain> bah bah bah, the video-driver for my card is only available in 32bit ... 23:23:14 <TrueBrain> so, lets boot the 32bit kernel, see where that brings me 23:23:31 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: it is looking good! :p 23:27:02 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host81-129-82-241.range81-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 23:27:28 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.21.42.248] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0] 23:28:48 *** TinoDid [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 23:32:48 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@62.199.91.15] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:33:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7600E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 23:33:16 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77C52.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:34:31 *** TinoDid is now known as TinoDidriksen 23:48:47 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has joined #openttd 23:59:33 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77C52.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]