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00:07:14 *** welshdragon [~markjones@147.143.254.214] has joined #openttd 00:07:43 <Eddi|zuHause> stinkyfax_: about 15 minutes i think 00:14:48 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@82-32-243-15.cable.ubr11.newt.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:15:26 *** routinedecilit [~routinede@spock.makeitsoyoubonehead.biz] has joined #openttd 00:16:26 *** Zorni [~zorn@e177233223.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 00:23:43 *** Zorn [~zorn@e177238226.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:24:17 <PeterT> stinkyfax:hello? 00:24:27 <stinkyfax_> yup? 00:24:30 <PeterT> hey 00:24:35 <stinkyfax_> hi 00:24:35 <PeterT> you're playing with me 00:24:39 <stinkyfax_> oh :D 00:24:40 <PeterT> on cameron's server 00:24:42 *** stinkyfax_ is now known as stinkyfax 00:24:44 <stinkyfax> yes i do :) 00:24:50 <stinkyfax> easy server :-/ 00:25:01 <stinkyfax> i was waiting for EX's city mania 00:25:14 <stinkyfax> looks like i failed to come at start) 00:26:20 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-230-78.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:35:12 *** stinkyfax_ [~stinkyfax@92-238-110-165.cable.ubr03.bath.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 00:36:45 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CEC7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:36:52 *** stinkyfax__ [~stinkyfax@92-238-104-196.cable.ubr03.bath.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 00:38:11 <PeterT> oh, i see 00:41:33 *** stinkyfax [~stinkyfax@92-238-104-196.cable.ubr03.bath.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:43:13 *** stinkyfax_ [~stinkyfax@92-238-110-165.cable.ubr03.bath.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:51:49 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host86-171-246-29.range86-171.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 00:52:02 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.18.161.44] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0] 00:59:57 *** nfc [nfc@cable-hvk-fe7ede00-156.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:59:59 *** welshdragon [~markjones@147.143.254.214] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 01:02:52 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-168-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: I'm off] 01:13:21 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db81307.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 01:13:41 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db81307.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [] 01:16:34 <stinkyfax__> where can i DL some Graphics packs? i'm too lazy to search 1 by 1 01:17:33 <Eddi|zuHause> where can i find answer packs? i'm too lazy to reply 1 by 1 01:17:44 <stinkyfax__> :-/ 01:18:01 <stinkyfax__> seriously 01:18:31 <stinkyfax__> there was a site with list of all gfc, can't find it now 01:18:35 <Eddi|zuHause> seriously, grfcrawler and the openttdcoop wiki might be interesting for you 01:19:22 <Eddi|zuHause> or googling for "grf pack" 01:19:23 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:20:37 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db87f36.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:21:25 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 01:47:17 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 02:01:43 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:12:26 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:75cd:6e0:42da:9a25] has quit [Quit: bye] 02:33:21 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host86-171-246-29.range86-171.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:35:07 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:02:42 *** stinkyfax___ [~stinkyfax@92-238-110-165.cable.ubr03.bath.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 03:02:47 *** stinkyfax___ is now known as stinkyfax 03:09:03 *** stinkyfax__ [~stinkyfax@92-238-104-196.cable.ubr03.bath.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:09:31 <DaleStan> Rubidium: I would say that if prop 1D is 0 (barring interference from 28/29) the vehicle should not be refittable. Tracking down this code in TTDPatch could be interesting, though. 03:30:34 *** stinkyfax_ [~stinkyfax@92-238-104-196.cable.ubr03.bath.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 03:36:53 *** stinkyfax [~stinkyfax@92-238-110-165.cable.ubr03.bath.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:18:04 *** MrGee|AWAY [MrGee@94-224-121-5.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 04:51:35 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Quit: ecke] 04:53:50 *** zodttd [~me@user-0c90n1c.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:57:17 *** Zorn [~zorn@e177237090.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 05:04:23 *** Zorni [~zorn@e177233223.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:11:59 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc1-papw2-0-0-cust1013.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 06:12:28 *** pyth [~dirkjan@82-171-22-51.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 06:14:08 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 06:25:00 *** pyth [~dirkjan@82-171-22-51.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Quit: pyth] 06:30:19 *** welshdragon [~markjones@147.143.254.214] has joined #openttd 06:39:41 <dihedral> hello 06:42:28 *** Terkhen [~terkhen@150.214.220.100] has joined #openttd 06:46:03 <Terkhen> good morning 06:46:19 *** pyth [~dirkjan@ai17896.ai.rug.nl] has joined #openttd 06:49:59 <dihedral> hey Terkhen how's your patch pack coming along? 06:52:04 <Terkhen> it is stopped right now, I spend all of my "OpenTTD time" with my patches and I have almost no time to play 06:54:01 <dihedral> hehe 06:54:22 <dihedral> i have not played in a long time either! 06:57:45 <Terkhen> I don't think I will be playing much, I will be very busy in rl this year 07:06:51 <dihedral> rl? whats that :-P 07:09:40 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc1-papw2-0-0-cust1013.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:12:47 <Terkhen> real life, but I think the sentence wasn't correctly written anyways :P 07:14:33 <dihedral> i know what rl stands for ^^ 07:14:43 <Terkhen> ah xD 07:26:23 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEafba.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 07:26:53 *** Terkhen [~terkhen@150.214.220.100] has quit [Quit: ...] 07:29:40 *** Terkhen [kvirc@150.214.220.118] has joined #openttd 07:40:37 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEafba.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:43:28 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@195-241-124-225.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 07:54:43 *** Terkhen [kvirc@150.214.220.118] has quit [Quit: ...] 08:11:08 *** nicfer [~Usuario@168.226.104.65] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:23:59 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-0-93-28.leed.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 08:26:23 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@195-241-124-225.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:28:46 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@195-241-124-225.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 08:37:08 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@195-241-124-225.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:42:15 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D00A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:54:54 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 09:07:34 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-44.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #openttd 09:09:58 *** Katt [endre@flux.kryptoanarki.st] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:16:33 *** welshdragon [~markjones@147.143.254.214] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 09:48:24 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@82-32-243-15.cable.ubr11.newt.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:50:17 *** oskari89 [oskari89@212-149-207-211.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 09:51:38 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEafba.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 09:55:47 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 09:56:50 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db813c0.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 10:08:40 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:09:16 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has joined #openttd 10:09:19 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 10:22:42 *** fjb_ [~frank@p5485D3C5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:30:17 *** fjb [~frank@p5485C1BC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:30:46 *** nfc [nfc@cable-hvk-fe7ede00-156.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 10:30:47 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 10:38:40 *** crakinshot [938f4919@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 10:40:02 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.21.133.233] has joined #openttd 10:40:10 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has quit [] 10:55:06 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226145152.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 10:58:51 *** fjb_ is now known as fjb 11:04:44 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 11:06:37 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B0D34.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:08:13 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B0AA8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:08:16 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 11:15:59 *** R0b0t1 [~Enigma@64-136-216-213.dyn.everestkc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:17:43 <dihedral> @seen planetmaker 11:17:43 <DorpsGek> dihedral: planetmaker was last seen in #openttd 3 days, 0 hours, 7 minutes, and 43 seconds ago: <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: it's in the line of "first search, then post" 11:18:02 <Eddi|zuHause> what a bad highlight... 11:18:11 <dihedral> :-D 11:18:14 <dihedral> sorry for that 11:18:26 <Xaroth> :o 11:21:39 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DEA5C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:21:51 *** SmatZ [~SmatZ@vs241204.vserver.de] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 11:21:51 *** XeryusTC [~XeryusTC@vs241204.vserver.de] has quit [Quit: Solong, and thanks for all the fish] 11:21:51 *** dihedral [~dih@vs241204.vserver.de] has quit [Quit: knock knock - gone] 11:21:51 *** planetmaker [~pm@vs241204.vserver.de] has quit [Quit: ...und tschüß!] 11:21:51 *** tneo [~tneo@vs241204.vserver.de] has quit [Quit: ZNC by prozac - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 11:23:36 <crakinshot> anyone going to vis09 11:23:37 <crakinshot> ? 11:24:40 *** XeryusTC [~XeryusTC@vs241204.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 11:25:03 *** dihedral [~dih@vs241204.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 11:25:31 *** SmatZ [~SmatZ@vs241204.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 11:27:31 *** Guest127 [~pm@vs241204.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 11:27:31 *** tneo [~tneo@vs241204.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 11:30:48 *** nfc [nfc@cable-hvk-fe7ede00-156.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:31:49 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Quit: Flieht, ihr Narren!] 11:34:09 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 11:38:47 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 11:40:33 *** oskari89 [oskari89@212-149-207-211.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:43:37 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9DAE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:51:59 <stinkyfax_> where can i find MB's cargoset? 11:52:31 <dihedral> google? 11:52:36 <stinkyfax_> much talk about it but i can't find it anywhere 11:52:49 <dihedral> you mean something like ECS? 11:53:04 <stinkyfax_> "warning: If used together with MB's cargoset," 11:53:13 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:c43a:3bf1:6c3e:dee1] has joined #openttd 11:53:13 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 11:53:13 <stinkyfax_> what MB's cargoset means? 11:57:07 *** oskari89 [oskari89@212-149-207-211.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 11:58:42 <markk> Is Ludvig Strigeus one of the creators of OpenTTD? 11:59:08 <Eddi|zuHause> not "one of"... "THE" 11:59:12 <markk> ah :) 11:59:14 <markk> nice 11:59:29 <markk> Didn't know it was a swede who created it 11:59:44 <Eddi|zuHause> stinkyfax_: it's a newgrf called "cargoset" created by "MB" 11:59:59 <blathijs> markk: He did stop working on it years back, though 12:00:04 <Eddi|zuHause> stinkyfax_: and it's heavily outdated 12:00:15 <markk> blathijs: mkay, that's sad 12:00:59 <Eddi|zuHause> markk: it's not sad. people like him need a new project every once in a while, before they get bored 12:01:24 <blathijs> It's fortunate there have been enough people to take over :-) 12:01:40 <markk> That right thoguh :) 12:05:43 <crakinshot> I guess that's the whole point of open source, once its going it doesn't need the original creator to maintain 12:05:54 <markk> yea (: 12:05:54 <crakinshot> community thing 12:14:23 <stinkyfax_> can smbody tell me the name of newgfc with many new industries like fuel, glass.. 12:19:24 *** eef_ [~chatzilla@adsl-84-227-71-253.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 12:19:24 *** eef [~chatzilla@adsl-84-226-5-184.adslplus.ch] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:19:26 *** eef_ is now known as eef 12:25:06 <oskari89> Stinkyfax_: ECS Vectors etc.. 12:26:41 *** Mark [~mark@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 12:27:15 <glx> stinkyfax_: it's newgrf, not newgfc 12:31:17 <stinkyfax_> ok, thx 12:45:35 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:45:44 <stinkyfax_> which newgrf has petrol stations? coz now i have petrol but no stations :D 12:45:48 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has joined #openttd 12:46:09 <glx> TTRS3 12:46:16 <stinkyfax_> uh? 12:46:29 <stinkyfax_> oh, thx 12:48:35 <Eddi|zuHause> or ECSHouses 12:50:37 <stinkyfax_> when i activate ecs town vector all industries dissapear 12:51:10 <Coco-Banana-Man> you have to start a new game when activating ECS 12:51:18 <dihedral> did you at all read the Readme that comes with ECS? or the website? or the forum thread? 12:55:42 <glx> newgrf order matters for ECS 12:57:01 *** elmex_ [elmex@ist.m8geil.de] has joined #openttd 12:57:44 *** welshdragon [~markjones@147.143.254.214] has joined #openttd 12:59:08 <Ammler> little glitch with frame_freq: http://pastebin.ca/1584242 13:00:16 <crakinshot> god help me... trying to organise train tickets in the US 13:00:28 <Ammler> !unpause sets min_active_clients to 1 and !auto to 2 13:00:31 <crakinshot> royal pain in the ass, the conference changed the time of my talk 13:00:45 <crakinshot> so now I do my talk, then run for the train station. :D 13:00:56 <glx> train in US??? are you crazy ? ;) 13:00:57 *** elmex [elmex@ist.m8geil.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:01:01 *** elmex_ is now known as elmex 13:01:37 <crakinshot> well I give up worrying about it... if I miss my flight I'll book another one 13:02:48 <crakinshot> for some reason the Vis conference people decided, "lets have it in Atlantic city" 13:03:14 <crakinshot> of course it doesn't have an international airport, so I have to go to newark... 13:03:35 <crakinshot> could have gone to philidelphia I guess, but didn't realise that 13:04:42 <dihedral> @monologue 13:04:48 <dihedral> ah. not installed, what a shame 13:07:10 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i'm bored and phlegmatic, not a great combination 13:16:10 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:16:23 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has joined #openttd 13:20:44 <Belugas> hello 13:26:43 <Eddi|zuHause> ?hol?! 13:32:06 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 13:36:23 <Eddi|zuHause> weird... i lost a file, it is not where it used to be and i don't remember moving it 13:37:07 <Belugas> [09:07] <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i'm bored and phlegmatic, not a great combination <--- i join you in that state of mind... 13:40:54 <De_Ghosty> hey are you running nix or window under sandbox anyone? 13:43:38 * Belugas runs windows only 13:44:05 * Belugas 's son uses a sandbox, but he doubts you'd be interested 13:48:59 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 13:50:20 <De_Ghosty> i wanna software raid :o 13:50:28 <De_Ghosty> and window is not good at it 13:50:41 <De_Ghosty> i wanna see if i can raid in vmware and then boot window on top 13:50:49 <Belugas> raid? or RAD? 13:50:59 <De_Ghosty> raid 13:56:33 <Belugas> Rapid Application Integrated Development? 13:57:12 <De_Ghosty> redundant arry of inexpensive disks 13:57:55 <Spoons> I'd much rather have a RAED. 13:59:08 *** LadyHawk [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:59:10 <Fast2> De_Ghosty: What do you mean with "nix"? 13:59:40 <De_Ghosty> any flavor of linux 14:01:20 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has joined #openttd 14:09:27 *** worldemar [~woldemar@188.122.225.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:14:36 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9DAE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:15:18 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9DAE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 14:21:07 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@195-241-124-225.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 14:24:36 *** worldemar [~woldemar@188.122.239.110] has joined #openttd 14:27:04 *** MrGee|AWAY [MrGee@94-224-121-5.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 14:27:49 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEafba.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:49:32 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:50:54 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has joined #openttd 14:50:57 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 14:52:53 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@195-241-124-225.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:54:38 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@195-241-124-225.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 15:02:08 *** Mark [~mark@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 15:07:29 <dihedral> would sdl be a feasable solution to the mac port? 15:07:36 <dihedral> odamex uses it (without x11) 15:07:40 <crakinshot> XD 15:08:10 <dihedral> what's so funny about that? 15:08:17 <crakinshot> I think Rubidium had a long conversation with someone on how SDL would cause so many problems 15:08:28 <crakinshot> a few days ago 15:08:42 <dihedral> i know the mac port for odamex uses sdl, cause i just spoke to the mac maintainer there 15:09:24 <Eddi|zuHause> dihedral: afaik you can configure to use sdl, so try it. 15:09:33 <dihedral> k 15:09:35 <dihedral> i will 15:09:54 <crakinshot> maybe its in the irc log, but if i remember correctly, it originally used SDL but then had to switch because of problems 15:10:13 <Eddi|zuHause> but a) the experience says it's very slow, and b) sdl is also not ported to 10.6 yet 15:10:16 <Rubidium> I've got 1 thing to say about SDL: read the fracking thread 15:10:47 <Rubidium> okay, actually 2 things: 15:10:51 <Eddi|zuHause> a propos fracking... i wanted to check for galactica... 15:11:20 <Rubidium> 13:17 <@DorpsGek> dihedral: <snip> was last seen in #openttd 3 days, 0 hours, 7 minutes, and 43 seconds ago: <<snip>> <snip>: it's in the line of "first search, then post" 15:11:34 <TrueBrain> dihedral: it does mean you need to instlal SDL :p Last time you tried, you gave up on that step :) 15:12:20 <Eddi|zuHause> you people need to stop changing colours... 15:12:30 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: I agree 15:12:38 <crakinshot> what colours? 15:12:45 <TrueBrain> those pretty ones 15:12:48 <TrueBrain> pink, yellow, green 15:13:17 <crakinshot> hmm, well I'm in mibbit; nothing showing 15:13:18 <Eddi|zuHause> like TrueBrain used to be blue, but now he is brown 15:13:32 <Eddi|zuHause> i blame Microsoft ;) 15:13:34 <Rubidium> ooh.. he must have had a nice and sunny vacation then 15:13:36 *** TrueBrain [~truebrain@145.118.72.64] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 15:13:41 *** TrueBrain [~truebrain@145.118.72.64] has joined #openttd 15:13:42 <TrueBrain> better? 15:13:44 <dihedral> lol 15:13:48 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, very ;) 15:13:55 <TrueBrain> (and still, it connects to USA servers :( ) 15:14:00 <TrueBrain> and TrueBrain_ was to blame :p 15:14:11 <dihedral> TrueBrain, odamex works fine on my mac 15:14:32 <TrueBrain> dihedral: I am just stating past experiences you had with SDL :P 15:14:55 <dihedral> :-) 15:16:36 *** Mark [~mark@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 15:17:24 *** Guest127 is now known as planetmaker 15:17:38 <dihedral> well, i just walked in to #odamex to ask if their mac guy could possibly be interested in doing our mac port for some time 15:17:43 <dihedral> and that was the info i got out of it 15:17:45 <dihedral> that's all 15:17:51 <TrueBrain> so install SDL :p 15:18:09 <TrueBrain> I have another project for you to try too ;) 15:18:13 <dihedral> pffft 15:18:15 <dihedral> :-P 15:18:44 <Rubidium> anyhow, how does changing to SDL solve all problems, like 10.6 compatability? 15:18:44 <TrueBrain> "After an eighteen month wait, Odamex has an official Mac OS X package once again! " 15:18:46 <TrueBrain> promising :) 15:20:06 <Rubidium> as for what it's worth SDL doesn't compile/work on 10.6 yet (at least the stable doesn't seem to) given the number of fixes they already have done and the number of still open bugs 15:23:09 <dihedral> 10.6 aint supported by openttd either 15:23:09 <dihedral> i was just thinking it might be worth the shot 15:23:09 <dihedral> at least i tried getting info 15:23:24 <TrueBrain> dihedral: now install SDL :) Please please please :) 15:23:32 <TrueBrain> (well, unless you have 10.6 of course :p) 15:23:36 <Rubidium> and read the thread 15:24:01 <Rubidium> then tell us how to provide cross compiled binaries with SDL 15:24:24 <Rubidium> s/us/the victim who has to change the compile farm (that isn't me)/ 15:24:33 <TrueBrain> so that makes me :p 15:24:55 <TrueBrain> does Odamex work on linux .. hm .. 15:24:56 <dihedral> Rubidium, i was just trying to find anything that could possibly be of help 15:24:58 <dihedral> that is all 15:25:06 <dihedral> TrueBrain, afaik - yes 15:25:18 <TrueBrain> no binaries, so it made me wonder 15:25:31 <Rubidium> reproposing the same idea over and over again does not help 15:25:44 <planetmaker> moin 15:26:01 <dihedral> it was at least pointing into a direction where it seemingly works 15:26:04 <planetmaker> SDL will need some serious patches in order to work. At least from what I could establish 15:26:17 <dihedral> planetmaker, grab a copy of odamex 15:26:37 <planetmaker> I don't even know what that is :-D 15:26:46 <dihedral> doom2 15:26:49 <TrueBrain> brr, their code has some serious warnings :( 15:27:00 <TrueBrain> (most 64bit related) 15:27:08 <TrueBrain> but also: a || b && c 15:27:30 <TrueBrain> and it takes an OpenTTD amount of time to compile :) :) :) 15:28:48 <crakinshot> Thankfully pretty quick on my rig. 15:29:16 <TrueBrain> dihedral: it indeed compiles (ignoring the nasty warnings :p) 15:29:44 <TrueBrain> I think, I guess, I assume, it requires the Doom / Doom2 WAD files 15:29:51 <TrueBrain> not that the README talks bout it for any system not Windows 15:30:10 <TrueBrain> the README also talks about 0.3 while I donwloaded 0.4.3 ... hihi :) 15:30:43 <dihedral> hehe 15:30:49 <TrueBrain> $ file odamex.wad 15:30:49 <dihedral> yes, you need the one wad file 15:30:51 <TrueBrain> odamex.wad: doom patch PWAD data containing 195 lumps 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this channel called "2M Monde" but i can't identify the language they are speaking 16:20:13 <Eddi|zuHause> the people in the movie look southeast asian, but the language doesn't. and it appears badly dubbed ;) 16:22:18 *** pyth [~dirkjan@ai17896.ai.rug.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:22:32 <Eddi|zuHause> judging from the writings on the advertisements, the movie might be korean 16:25:18 *** LadyHawk [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:27:04 <Eddi|zuHause> aha... the channel appears to be maroccan 16:27:20 <Eddi|zuHause> the language is possibly arabic 16:36:15 *** nicfer [~Usuario@168.226.104.65] has joined #openttd 16:49:30 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@35.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 16:49:39 *** stinkyfax_ [~stinkyfax@92-238-104-196.cable.ubr03.bath.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:55:59 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc1-papw2-0-0-cust1013.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 16:56:09 *** Terkhen 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17:45:44 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: translators * r17664 /trunk/src/lang/ (9 files): (log message trimmed) 17:45:44 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:44 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: esperanto - 1 changes by raskolnik 17:45:44 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: finnish - 1 changes by jpx_ 17:45:44 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: indonesian - 1 changes by prof 17:45:46 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: italian - 1 changes by lorenzodv 17:45:46 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: romanian - 1 changes by kkmic 17:49:02 <Belugas> heheh 17:49:25 <Belugas> USED TO BE DEFINED is not the same as USED, TO BE DEFINED 17:49:40 <Belugas> even if the later does not make snes 17:49:42 <Belugas> sens 17:50:03 <SmatZ> :-) 17:55:06 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 17:56:52 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@f051188001.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 18:02:22 *** nicfer [~Usuario@168.226.104.65] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:04:28 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226145152.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:04:28 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 18:16:07 *** oskari89 [oskari89@212-149-207-211.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:24:43 <fjb> Why should something undefined not be in a used condition? 18:29:17 <frosch123> lots of stuff is being used without being properly defined 18:30:21 <Eddi|zuHause> makes up for 95% of the cultural misunderstanding ;) 18:36:56 <Eddi|zuHause> swapoff is an awfully slow process 18:37:23 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 18:44:40 *** Wolle [DrJekyll@p57B0E003.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:59:15 *** Muxy [~Benoit@smtp.bdelalande.net] has joined #openttd 19:06:45 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-168-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:08:08 *** Muxy [~Benoit@smtp.bdelalande.net] has quit [Quit: PACKET_CLIENT_QUIT] 19:10:43 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-0-93-28.leed.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 19:13:23 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9DAE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 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1943.sav" 20:02:17 <PeterT> no 20:02:22 <PeterT> that never works 20:02:30 <PeterT> find the file number using "ls" 20:02:46 <Eddi|zuHause> Coldfusionstorm_: the whole server command must be enclosed in "" 20:02:50 <Coldfusionstorm_> oh 20:02:57 <Yexo> only the first word of the command is given to the server, so if you use 'rcon pass load "1943"' all the server gets is "load" 20:02:59 <Coldfusionstorm_> i thought only the argument 20:03:17 <PeterT> yes, it gets quite annoying 20:03:19 <Eddi|zuHause> Coldfusionstorm_: the server command is an argument to the rcon command ;) 20:03:29 <Coldfusionstorm_> Ah, fair use :D 20:03:34 <Coldfusionstorm_> it almost worked now :D 20:03:35 <PeterT> especially rcon pass "server_name ! your server" 20:04:01 <Coldfusionstorm_> hehe ;D its private 20:04:34 <Coldfusionstorm_> hmm 20:04:36 <Coldfusionstorm_> still wont load it 20:04:42 <dihedral> which folder does the save game reside in? 20:04:53 <dihedral> relative from your config 20:05:07 <dihedral> (assuming you know where the config file is, the game is using) 20:05:12 <Coldfusionstorm_> oooooopsss (stupid smiley) 20:05:18 <Coldfusionstorm_> i did know that _:D 20:05:57 <Alberth> dihedral: save/autosave 20:06:03 <dihedral> cd autosave 20:06:07 <dihedral> load 1943 20:06:11 <dihedral> cd .. 20:06:30 <dihedral> as afaik 'load autosave/1943' does not work 20:06:36 <Coldfusionstorm_> here goes :D 20:06:39 <Coldfusionstorm_> no auto save 20:06:43 <Coldfusionstorm_> its a save im moveing 20:07:08 <dihedral> Alberth, why on earth would a file named 1943 be in autosave? 20:07:10 <dihedral> :-P 20:07:18 <Coldfusionstorm_> its a self save 20:07:37 <dihedral> a self save.... i love it when people come up with new words 20:07:48 <Alberth> earth must have saved it there :) 20:07:58 <Coldfusionstorm_> i saved it myself 20:08:06 <Coldfusionstorm_> processing all the bytes by myself :D 20:08:08 <Coldfusionstorm_> XD 20:08:08 <dihedral> put the file in the save/ subfolder next to your openttd.cfg file 20:08:15 <Coldfusionstorm_> allready done it :D 20:08:21 <Coldfusionstorm_> but was a wrong save xD 20:08:31 <dihedral> pfft - you want support for that??? 20:08:35 <dihedral> you must be kidding! 20:09:09 <dihedral> make sure that thing loads alright, else you'll start claiming that the dedicated server dies on loading a savegame 20:09:31 <PeterT> 'Search results for save - 15 results' 20:09:39 *** Brianetta is now known as Brianetta_laptop 20:10:06 <dihedral> the word "Brianettop" comes to mind 20:10:18 <Coldfusionstorm_> xD 20:11:18 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-0-93-28.leed.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 20:11:53 <dihedral> Coldfusionstorm_, problem solved? 20:12:04 *** R0b0t1 [~Enigma@64-136-216-213.dyn.everestkc.net] has joined #openttd 20:14:33 <Coldfusionstorm_> working on it :D 20:14:42 *** Brianetta_laptop [~brian@client-86-0-93-28.leed.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: Tsch?ss] 20:16:21 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17665 /trunk/src/smallmap_gui.cpp: -Codechange: make the extra viewport window nested 20:16:37 <PeterT> more nesting!@ 20:17:17 <Xaroth> nesting be good 20:17:44 <PeterT> nesting uses more cpu 20:18:01 <Xaroth> I doubt the overhead is -that- significant to notice 20:18:21 <Xaroth> compared to the pathfinder... 20:18:27 <PeterT> yes, "1" isn't significant either 20:18:44 <Coldfusionstorm_> hmm 20:18:45 <Coldfusionstorm_> well 20:18:50 <PeterT> little things will add up 20:19:02 <Coldfusionstorm_> it dosnt load the savegames allright 20:19:18 <PeterT> what's the problem? 20:19:37 <PeterT> would you mind making a forum topic so we can see the savegame/screenshot? 20:23:25 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-168-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: I'm off] 20:27:27 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-141-212.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:28:23 <Coldfusionstorm_> hmmm 20:28:34 <Coldfusionstorm_> do i change the data if i rename it? 20:30:51 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-144-134-197-191.prem.tmns.net.au] has quit [] 20:34:29 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17666 /trunk/os/rpm/openttd.spec: -Fix [FS#3193]: RPM spec failed for SUSE (Ammler) 20:36:13 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:39:10 <Eddi|zuHause> why is my screwdriver gone every time i am looking for it? 20:39:57 <glx> murphy? 20:40:23 <glx> you'll find it when looking for something else 20:40:28 <Rubidium> because if you weren't looking for it you wouldn't a) notice that it is gone or b) it wouldn't be gone 20:40:30 <Eddi|zuHause> does murphy cover interdimensional rifts? 20:40:36 <_ln> it's screwing with you 20:41:04 <Brianetta> Rubidium is basically stating the anthropic principle. 20:41:50 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:42:09 <Rubidium> actually, it's more like Schroedinger's cat 20:42:40 <Rubidium> as long as you aren't looking (i.e. open the box) you don't know that it is lost (i.e. the cat is dead) 20:42:49 <glx> or not 20:42:51 *** Coldfusionstorm_ [~IceChat7@0x5da0aa6e.cpe.ge-0-2-0-1101.rgnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: If your not living on the edge, you're taking up too much space] 20:42:57 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 20:44:24 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:46:00 <Eddi|zuHause> so... why is the cat dead every time i look? 20:46:37 <Rubidium> bad luck 20:47:17 <_ln> not dead, it's resting 20:47:39 <Eddi|zuHause> "no animals have been hurt while programming this game" 20:48:18 <Eddi|zuHause> i also still have not found the piece that fell to the ground 20:48:28 <Rubidium> true, cause when I was cooking lobstar I wasn't programming :) 20:49:59 *** lordaro [~lordaro@host86-139-183-253.range86-139.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 20:54:48 *** Wolfie [~chatzilla@92.2.208.212] has joined #openttd 20:55:07 <Wolfie> Hey peeps. 20:57:39 <SmatZ> google is so slowishly slow for my search terms :-/ 20:57:58 <Rubidium> you haven't tried googling for google, have you? 20:59:03 *** Wolfie [~chatzilla@92.2.208.212] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:03:46 <SmatZ> I did :( 21:07:37 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc1-papw2-0-0-cust1013.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:07:51 <Rubidium> see... the internet is already falling apart 21:08:09 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@79.88.144.55] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:09:47 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:10:21 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.73.68.plusnet.pte-ag2.dyn.plus.net] has left #openttd [] 21:12:29 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ffbe1.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:12:55 <Rubidium> will there be any internet left at this rate? 21:18:29 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe i should stop dropping things ;) 21:21:50 <Eddi|zuHause> if i continue at this rate, i am out of parts to reassemble by midnight 21:31:40 *** CraKinShOt [~NO@host81-154-133-213.range81-154.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 21:39:36 *** lobstar is now known as lobster 21:46:13 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEafba.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:58:23 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Quit: Flieht, ihr Narren!] 21:58:50 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051188001.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 22:09:19 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D00A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:10:59 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9DAE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:13:14 *** Chrill [~chrischri@80.216.60.117] has joined #openttd 22:25:31 <Terkhen> good night 22:25:34 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@35.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 22:30:56 *** davis [~davis-@p5B28E513.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 22:36:26 <fjb> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLYGPWQ0VjY :-) 22:39:01 *** Tekky 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Connection reset by peer] 22:57:22 <CraKinShOt> what was he trying to talk about? the divide between east and west? 22:58:05 <Eddi|zuHause> did he actually state yet that he wants to get foreign minister? 22:59:13 <Rubidium> why would the foreign minister need to talk English? They're all translated anyways 22:59:35 <Rubidium> it would even add extra work for those German TV stations who have to dub it 23:00:35 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, it's probably even better to use a professional translator than to talk sub-par heavily-accented english 23:00:38 <fjb> What else ministry should he get? 23:01:01 <Rubidium> the ministry of education in English 23:01:25 <fjb> His party will get that ministry. So he will probably that minister. 23:01:40 <fjb> Rubidium: :-) 23:02:12 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DEA5C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Joyful it seems - but then suddenly - by one false move it's blown away] 23:02:20 <Eddi|zuHause> just "because it has always been like this" doesn't mean it will happen again... he can claim whatever minister he wants to be 23:03:09 <fjb> Eddi|zuHause: We are Germans. We don't change things that have always been like this. 23:03:13 <Eddi|zuHause> there also were times where the foreign minister was not automatically vice chancellor 23:03:56 <Rubidium> none of the vice 'presidents' here are foreign minister 23:04:20 <Eddi|zuHause> cancellor != president ;) 23:04:32 <Rubidium> I know 23:04:33 <Eddi|zuHause> +h 23:04:40 <Eddi|zuHause> we have a president, too 23:04:50 <Rubidium> we don't actually have a president 23:04:54 <Eddi|zuHause> but he doesn't really do much other than sign the laws 23:05:11 <Eddi|zuHause> he doesn't even have a proper veto right 23:05:21 <Rubidium> oh, prime minister might be a better word 23:05:28 <Eddi|zuHause> only if it is "obviously anti-constitutional" 23:05:40 <fjb> He can refuse to sign a law. But that happens not often enough. 23:05:55 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: our queen has veto right, but well... that doesn't quite happen 23:07:25 <Eddi|zuHause> well, our president actually did refuse to sign a law 23:08:05 <Eddi|zuHause> our minister of interiour wanted to shoot down civilian planes [after 9/11] 23:08:05 * Rubidium wonders what other countries have a vice prime minister for 'Youth and family' (or even a minister for that topic) 23:08:51 <Eddi|zuHause> and the president had the guts to say "are you insane?!?" 23:08:58 <CraKinShOt> tbh I wouldn't mind a little more dictatorship from the Queen... might stop wars of aggression... :/ 23:09:24 <Eddi|zuHause> CraKinShOt: might as well start them... 23:09:49 <Eddi|zuHause> CraKinShOt: and you guys are talking about different queens ;) 23:09:56 <CraKinShOt> ahh lol 23:10:43 <fjb> Same minister of interior has plans to mix police and interior intelligence. 23:11:01 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, he really IS insane ;) 23:11:47 <CraKinShOt> hmm... 23:12:02 <Eddi|zuHause> if the FDP wants to fulfil their claims about civil rights, they have to claim the department of interiour 23:12:18 <fjb> But they will not get it. 23:12:45 <fjb> They will get the ministry of justice. 23:12:45 <CraKinShOt> Germany has proplems with civil rights? 23:12:58 <fjb> Many problems. 23:13:07 <Eddi|zuHause> all "western" countries have problems with civil rights 23:13:22 <Eddi|zuHause> since that day where the buildings fell... 23:13:27 <CraKinShOt> depends on what you define as a "problem" 23:13:46 <CraKinShOt> being too liberal can be a "problem" 23:13:59 <Eddi|zuHause> i consider people saying "we should learn from china for internet handling" a problem... 23:14:16 <MyCatVerbs> People are actually saying that? oO 23:14:22 <fjb> Yes. :-( 23:14:23 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, they actually said that 23:14:27 <CraKinShOt> Yeah well thats a problem 23:14:49 <fjb> People of the party which just won the election. 23:15:10 <CraKinShOt> But in this country you can't smack you're kids anymore and now they are like monkeys running around the streets 23:15:23 <Rubidium> reminds me of a quote, which I can find right now, about banning cryptography because criminals use it 23:15:48 <MyCatVerbs> fjb: Wait, you don't go by the nick "flapjackboy" anywhere do you? 23:16:15 <MyCatVerbs> (Offtopic, but it'd be something of a coincidence if you did.) 23:16:17 <fjb> MyCatVerbs: No. 23:16:49 <MyCatVerbs> Nevermind then. I'll just chalk it up to there only being finitely many permutations of three characters. ^^ 23:16:57 <Rubidium> http://www.mail-archive.com/lilypond-devel@gnu.org/msg24488.html <- there at the bottom of the post 23:17:14 <fjb> MyCatVerbs: Which characters? 23:17:25 <MyCatVerbs> fjb: 'f', 'j' and 'b'. :) 23:17:40 <MyCatVerbs> The person I'm thinking of was someone I knew a while back, who used the same nick on IRC. 23:18:56 <fjb> France banned cryptography some years ago. But they soon discovered that foreign spies easily got all their trade secrets. 23:19:33 <fjb> MyCatVerbs: There is a long tradition of three letter acronyms. 23:19:55 <MyCatVerbs> Oh wow. Did they really? 23:20:19 <fjb> It was about 10 years ago. 23:20:47 <Rubidium> guess you were out of free two letter acronyms :) 23:20:54 <MyCatVerbs> Oh. I suppose that it wouldn't have caused a big public outcry at that point? Not enough cypherpunks in the world yet back then. 23:21:49 <fjb> Rubidium: Two letters are not enough. Blame my parents. :-) 23:22:58 <Eddi|zuHause> well, in the USA, cryptography software was illegal to "export" to other countries 23:23:20 <fjb> Even if it got imported from another country. 23:23:31 <Eddi|zuHause> because it was treated like weapon trading 23:23:43 <CraKinShOt> I found it funny when I bought a java book, some years ago, that it said "not to be sold in the US", simply because it had the cryptography libraries in it. 23:24:18 <Rubidium> they're funny in all kinds of ways 23:24:39 <Rubidium> though I wonder why exporting books isn't prohibited yet? They can be used as OTPs 23:24:56 <Rubidium> and excel sheets with financial information and indices into that OTP 23:24:58 <Eddi|zuHause> they only very slowly admitted that the more secret you keep cryptography algorithms, the more easily they can be cracked by "subversive elements" 23:25:23 <fjb> But why forbid anything? Just put everybody in solitary confinement. 23:25:43 <Eddi|zuHause> like some cell phone encryptions, which had blatantly wide open loopholes 23:25:48 <Rubidium> that happens for the million+ or so people on their watchlist 23:26:24 <fjb> PGP was exported printed in a book. :-) 23:27:04 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, the export ban was only about software, not about printed material :p 23:27:17 <Rubidium> giant loophole :) 23:27:59 * Rubidium doesn't quite fancy going to the US anymore 23:28:38 * fjb neither. 23:30:16 <Eddi|zuHause> we have a phrase over here... "Rein ins System und von innen aufmischen" [modulo dialect] 23:31:06 <Eddi|zuHause> (along the lines of "fight the system from the inside") 23:31:28 <Rubidium> uhm... some systems can't be fought from the inside 23:32:05 <Rubidium> e.g. US border stuff 23:32:12 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-168-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 23:32:48 <Eddi|zuHause> plus there is this cool article on the USA Erkl?rt blog, "the safest place from the reach of the US President [Bush at that time] is INSIDE the US, because the President has almost no interiour power 23:32:53 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B46.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 23:33:12 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77A91.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:33:31 <Eddi|zuHause> (they don't even have a secretary of interiour) 23:34:33 <Rubidium> just airports, school, governmental buildings and such aren't quite INSIDE the US then 23:34:44 <fjb> Its the new office of homeland security. 23:35:53 *** CraKinShOt [~NO@host81-154-133-213.range81-154.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:36:03 <Rubidium> the enormous insanity with all those checkpoints, metal detectors and such 23:36:59 <Eddi|zuHause> well, if people carrying weapons is a daily sight, weapon detectors at sensitive places must also be... 23:37:51 <Eddi|zuHause> that's just a logical consequence of having liberal weapon laws (which, btw. are usually local laws, not federal and often not even state laws) 23:38:58 <Rubidium> "The US Senate has voted to allow passengers on Amtrak trains to transport handguns" 23:39:06 * fjb would only allow water guns. 23:39:15 <Eddi|zuHause> amtrak is a federal institution 23:39:22 <Rubidium> "Americans should not have their Second Amendment rights restricted for any reason, particularly if they choose to travel on America's federally subsidised rail line," said Republican Sen. Roger Wicker, who submitted the proposal. 23:39:45 <Rubidium> but *why* are they forbidden in federal buildings? 23:39:58 <fjb> Amtrak is emulation of planes on rails. 23:40:18 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't remember ever having been in a federal building 23:40:42 <Eddi|zuHause> i only remember standing in front of the FBI building, and that was pre-9/11 23:40:54 * Rubidium has been in some federal/state buildings 23:41:01 <Rubidium> post-9/11 23:41:49 <Eddi|zuHause> i should have demanded entrance, because i am "J. Edgar" ;) 23:42:13 <Eddi|zuHause> (i do have the ID card to prove that :p) 23:42:31 <fjb> You may become a hoover craft by eating too many onions. 23:47:26 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:47:38 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 23:48:15 *** KenjiE20 is now known as Guest191 23:48:18 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.23.98.241] has joined #openttd 23:49:33 <Rubidium> must say that (one of) the j.root servers is a quite boring machine 23:50:12 <Eddi|zuHause> i have no idea what you're talking about 23:51:08 <Rubidium> DNS root servers 23:51:33 *** Guest191 [~KenjiE20@92.21.133.233] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:51:40 <fjb> DNS is kind of boring. 23:52:59 <Eddi|zuHause> so, why would a DNS root server be "interesting"? isn't DNS designed to run on minimal ressources? 23:53:52 <Rubidium> still, lots of requests and such 23:53:53 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.23.98.241] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:54:06 <fjb> And added encryption. 23:54:08 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.2.190.211] has joined #openttd 23:56:13 * Rubidium is kind of bored now :( 23:58:57 <fjb> Apropos civil rights, http://retroshare.sourceforge.net/ looks interesting. 23:59:25 <Rubidium> even the german tt forum isn't interested :(