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09:30:44 <Rubidium> next? current! :) 09:31:00 <planetmaker> http://www.openttd.org/en/download-nforenum 09:31:14 <planetmaker> it's not hard to use the latest one. 09:33:15 *** boekabart [~boekabart@pizzapazzi.com] has left #openttd [] 09:37:39 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has joined #openttd 09:38:36 <andythenorth> evening Pikka 09:40:06 *** VirginiaTrioli [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:52:54 *** Goulp is now known as muxy 09:53:29 *** muxy is now known as Muxy 10:04:41 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B37A0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Icebears are cute. Please, take care of them!] 10:06:18 <Pikka> hi andy 10:08:15 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:08:38 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has joined #openttd 10:08:41 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 10:12:23 *** TrueBrain [~truebrain@145.118.72.64] has quit [Quit: recabling] 10:13:05 <Pikka> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjd3UrY5-bg zomg red 8F 10:24:25 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@82-32-243-15.cable.ubr11.newt.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:29:34 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db87027.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 10:30:59 *** welshdragon [~markjones@147.143.254.214] has joined #openttd 10:31:21 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 10:36:45 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.174.224] has joined #openttd 10:57:13 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DE3DC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:24:01 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:24:05 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.10.85.61] has joined #openttd 11:26:29 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:29:19 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEd8c4.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 11:46:15 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:acf7:a026:6ce5:d544] has joined #openttd 11:46:18 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 11:47:26 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B37A0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:47:29 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 11:48:23 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:48:46 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 11:49:16 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:53:31 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g227024083.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 11:54:36 *** break19 [~kvirc@c-69-243-225-134.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: , sources date: 20090924, built on: 2009-10-14 09:11:00 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/] 11:55:38 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 12:02:45 *** Xtreme_Great [~xtreme@122.168.71.43] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 12:06:09 *** Xtreme_Great [~xtreme@test.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 12:19:08 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:20:05 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 12:23:29 *** thepalm [~chatzilla@121.210.80.70] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:25:25 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 12:29:56 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 12:32:13 <Sacro> http://lh6.ggpht.com/_COt6T7Tmrok/SuBPtuBzfvI/AAAAAAAAAoo/LHskug3S_-E/s720/dsc_1576.jpg4 12:41:11 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:42:10 *** welshdragon [~markjones@147.143.254.214] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:42:24 *** welshdragon [~markjones@147.143.254.214] has joined #openttd 12:45:38 <Belugas> hello 12:45:52 *** Wolle [DrJekyll@p57B0ED1F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:47:16 *** TrainzStoffe [~mirc@237.203.216.81.static.g-td.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #openttd 12:49:35 <andythenorth> hello Belugas 12:50:51 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 12:50:56 <Belugas> howdi andy 12:51:53 *** Dr_Jekyll [DrJekyll@p57B0F5C2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:53:38 *** StarLionIsaac [~isaac@87.115.128.52] has joined #openttd 12:54:32 *** Stoffe [~mirc@237.203.216.81.static.g-td.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:54:33 *** TrainzStoffe is now known as Stoffe 12:55:37 *** StarLionIsaac [~isaac@87.115.128.52] has quit [] 12:55:43 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g227024083.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 12:59:39 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db02a1e.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 13:01:16 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 13:02:48 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DE3DC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: May the schwartz be with you! 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14:06:25 <George> 1) to have 10 sprites of a house 14:07:07 <George> 2) to have 2 sprites (a house and a fly) and 10 pseudosprites to assemble them into one image 14:07:13 <Muxy> fly tox will solve your problem 14:07:27 <George> It is not a joke 14:07:41 <George> I'm trying to improve ARVs NFO 14:07:46 <Eddi|zuHause> George: i'm not an expert, but the 2) version sounds more sensible 14:08:18 <George> And I need to know - what is better - to have more sprites or to ask devs to improve the code 14:09:09 <George> I need to understand, how much profit would we get if vehicles would be assembled 14:09:28 <George> Like houses and industry tiles 14:10:09 <George> Rubidium: What do you think? 14:11:34 <Eddi|zuHause> so you actually want a feature that is available for houses to be available for vehicles, too? 14:11:44 <George> Yes 14:12:23 <Eddi|zuHause> like, attaching red backlights to a wagon if it's the last wagon in the chain, instead of having separate graphics of a wagon with backlights? 14:12:35 <George> yes 14:12:54 <Eddi|zuHause> again, i'm no expert, but that sounds sensible to me... 14:13:32 <George> But how hard is it to implement it, how much CPU would it eat? 14:13:48 <Eddi|zuHause> that, i can'T answer 14:14:09 <George> glx: May be you can say something? 14:15:17 <blathijs> Ah, in the multiple sprite case, you would only show one of them at the same time 14:15:36 <blathijs> and in the fewer sprite case, you would show more of them at the same time 14:18:52 *** Crash_Booth is now known as Chris_Booth 14:20:33 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has joined #openttd 14:24:05 <George> that's correct, this is CPU usage instead of memory usage 14:24:12 <George> But what is better? 14:25:39 <blathijs> Doing composition on the fly sounds more flexible to me 14:25:42 <Eddi|zuHause> if CPU usage is really an issue, a system to cache these combined sprites would be sensible, instead of forcing it on the grf artists 14:26:02 <blathijs> Hmm, that's a smart thought :-) 14:26:24 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, i tend to have those occasionally :p? 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17:50:00 <Luukland> yeap 17:50:16 <Luukland> The big competitor is Ed's servers 17:50:33 <Alberth> never mind those :p 17:50:38 <Luukland> indeed 17:50:57 <Alberth> soon you'll make heaps of money as everyone has to come and play at your servers 17:51:16 <Luukland> How come? Ppl still play at Ed's 17:51:22 <Luukland> or Ex's whatever 17:51:36 <frosch123> big plans for a 12 year old, luukland 17:51:43 <Luukland> 11 17:51:56 <Luukland> 11 years 17:52:25 *** tdev [~tdev@p508EE1B4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:52:41 <frosch123> then you are missing a "!" or does "1" count as some? 17:53:14 <Luukland> Ghe ghe 18:00:38 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEd8c4.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:01:40 *** violetblood [~fcp@79.114.82.133] has joined #openttd 18:01:43 <violetblood> oh hi 18:01:46 * violetblood waves 18:01:56 <Luukland> >_< 18:02:04 <violetblood> :x 18:04:29 <Sacro> ohai thar 18:04:40 <Sacro> impressive that your nick is actually violet 18:07:05 <violetblood> eh? 18:08:56 <Eddi|zuHause> not true, it's green 18:09:09 <Luukland> I only see black 18:09:16 *** goulp [~Benoit@smtp.bdelalande.net] has joined #openttd 18:09:30 <StarLionIsaac> Blue 18:16:35 <Eddi|zuHause> so... this is a slightly more accurate schematic of my tracks: www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/Bildschirmphoto17.png 18:16:48 <violetblood> what game? 18:17:03 <zachanima> not a game 18:18:35 <Eddi|zuHause> www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/HPIM4214.JPG (~2.5MB) 18:18:39 <Eddi|zuHause> www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/HPIM4216.JPG (~2.5MB) 18:18:56 <Eddi|zuHause> slightly older "snapshots" ;) 18:19:54 <zachanima> I should have quite a number of tracks and locos around somewhere 18:19:55 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Quit: Flieht, ihr Narren!] 18:20:46 <Eddi|zuHause> i have a few more straights and curves, not sure how to incorporate them 18:21:57 <Eddi|zuHause> it's about 2,90m x 2,20m 18:22:03 <violetblood> wow 18:22:04 <violetblood> nice 18:25:24 <MyCatVerbs> Eddi|zuHause: y'know, at some point I started thinking of OpenTTD+cheap laptop as "Hornby for poor people". ;) 18:25:48 <Eddi|zuHause> what's a Hornby? 18:26:05 <StarLionIsaac> model railway brand 18:26:13 <MyCatVerbs> Oh, Hornby's a particular brand of model railway. 18:26:42 <MyCatVerbs> Good memories. ^_^ 18:26:59 <StarLionIsaac> I think I still have a small layout someplace here 18:33:52 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEd8c4.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 18:42:46 <violetblood> can someone show me any good junctions in a curve? 18:44:00 <Eddi|zuHause> depends on the definition of "goot", "junction" and "curve" 18:44:16 <Eddi|zuHause> s/ot/od 18:44:22 <Eddi|zuHause> / 18:44:38 *** Luukland [~luukland@s559031d6.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has left #openttd [] 18:46:32 *** StarLionIsaac [~isaac@87.115.128.52] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:00:23 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db02a1e.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: bis dann] 19:14:00 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.191.58] has joined #openttd 19:16:32 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Tsch?ss] 19:20:48 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.174.224] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:21:25 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:23:46 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B37A0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:24:19 *** Xtreme_Great [~xtreme@test.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:25:57 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B3503.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:26:00 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 19:32:55 *** PhoenixII [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 19:33:20 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.10.85.61] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:34:04 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.10.85.61] has joined #openttd 19:40:16 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@j104246.upc-j.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:40:27 <Rhamphoryncus> So I've been pondering how more realistic signals might work, ie with distant signals and realistic stopping distances. It seems to me that each signal needs a way to explicitly specify which paths it has, to avoid the current path-signal magic 19:41:11 <Rhamphoryncus> or maybe not.. hrm 19:41:17 *** PhoenixII [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:42:43 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has joined #openttd 19:43:58 <Rhamphoryncus> explicit paths might be more realistic, but aren't necessary for distant signals.. and we could probably generate distant signals on the fly, based on where the stopping points are 19:44:46 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@82-32-243-15.cable.ubr11.newt.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.3/20090824101458]] 19:45:10 <Rhamphoryncus> It would mean trains would attempt to optimistically acquire the next leg of their journey, slowing if they can't 19:46:13 <Noldo> realistic stoping distances can be done so that trains start to slow down when they approach the signal that ends their reservation 19:46:31 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 19:46:49 <Rhamphoryncus> Noldo: I *want* the distant signal. I don't want the magic 19:47:04 <Noldo> what magic? 19:47:37 <Rhamphoryncus> in reality, the stopping distance exceeds the visible distance of signals 19:47:46 <Rhamphoryncus> So they *need* distant signals 19:48:20 <Noldo> aren't there train simulators for those needs 19:48:37 <Rhamphoryncus> Today we don't even need signals. It's all computerized 19:49:19 <Rhamphoryncus> I don't want computer controls on my steam engines ;) 19:49:32 <Noldo> aren't there train simulators for those needs 19:50:12 <Rhamphoryncus> huh? Are you arguing that openttd doesn't care about realism? 19:50:48 <Alberth> it is not a design goal, no 19:51:12 <Rhamphoryncus> You misunderstand. Fun is more important than realism, but that doesn't mean realism isn't valuable too 19:52:22 <Noldo> what would be the gameplay benefits of distant signals? 19:52:45 <Rhamphoryncus> Just realism. What'd be the gameplay harm? 19:59:36 <Noldo> well, you haven't really explained the consept so how would I know? 20:00:02 <Rhamphoryncus> if you don't understand what I'm suggesting then why are you arguing? 20:01:31 <Rhamphoryncus> Basically take realistic stopping distance, where it slows down in advance of the signal, then trace backwards X tiles and draw distant signals there 20:02:23 <Noldo> so it's what I said with additional unneccessary graphics 20:02:50 <Rhamphoryncus> The tracks themselves are unnecessary graphics. It could just draw a single line :P 20:03:07 <Noldo> good idea 20:03:15 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:03:57 <Rhamphoryncus> and all those buildings in town.. and the animations! 20:04:16 <Rhamphoryncus> Heck, trains could be replaced with a number. They don't need to slide either, just hop from tile to tile 20:04:31 <Belugas> and all of those buildings 20:04:35 <Belugas> were once just a dream 20:08:17 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEd8c4.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:10:45 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.52] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:10:59 <Arvid_> \o/ 20:11:27 *** goulp [~Benoit@smtp.bdelalande.net] has quit [Quit: PACKET_CLIENT_QUIT] 20:18:50 *** Muxy [~Benoit@smtp.bdelalande.net] has joined #openttd 20:26:36 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.52] has joined #openttd 20:31:43 *** nicfer1 [~Usuario@190.50.42.224] has joined #openttd 20:31:53 *** kay_ [~kay@90.242.204.141] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:33:29 *** helb_ [~helb@84.244.90.52] has joined #openttd 20:35:43 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.52] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:38:38 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host17-232-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 20:38:59 <Wolf01> hi :D 20:40:21 <nicfer1> hey 20:40:27 <Markk> Hai guise 20:40:53 <Wolf01> any new good new? 20:41:04 <Markk> uh 20:41:05 <Markk> Huh? 20:41:06 <Eddi|zuHause> no 20:41:12 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 20:41:18 *** George3 [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:41:22 <Eddi|zuHause> things are either not new or not good 20:41:32 <Wolf01> bah :P 20:42:01 <Wolf01> I noticed about the merge of the graphics forums, nice move ;) 20:42:04 <Eddi|zuHause> for example petern left without finishing railtypes first 20:42:17 <Wolf01> he left again? 20:42:19 *** thepalm [~chatzilla@121.210.80.70] has joined #openttd 20:43:14 <Wolf01> maybe he's only disguised, it might be everybody in this channel 20:44:48 <Wolf01> I've a new toy :D 20:45:12 <Eddi|zuHause> is it anywhere close to this? www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/HPIM4214.JPG (~2.5MB) 20:45:13 <Wolf01> multi touch graphic tablet 20:45:17 <Eddi|zuHause> www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/HPIM4216.JPG (~2.5MB) 20:47:06 <Noldo> Wolf01: how much did it cost? 20:47:12 <Wolf01> 120EUR 20:47:31 <Wolf01> wacom bamboo fun 20:47:38 <Sacro> zomg me too 20:47:46 <Wolf01> omg 20:47:52 <Sacro> i bought mine today 20:47:54 <Sacro> ?75 20:48:02 <Sacro> bamboo pen and touch 20:48:23 <Wolf01> the little one or the big one? 20:48:31 <Sacro> the black one 20:48:35 <Sacro> only comes in one size 20:48:41 <Wolf01> ah! I've the silver one :D 20:48:52 <Sacro> Oooh nice 20:48:58 <Sacro> I'm not sure what the difference is 20:49:06 <Sacro> just the local apple reseller only had the black 20:49:08 <Sacro> or the intuos 20:50:52 <Wolf01> mine is bigger 20:51:30 <Wolf01> black one: 208 x 138 x 7,5 mm; 20:51:41 <Wolf01> big silver one: 337 x 223 x 8,5 mm 20:52:03 <Wolf01> small silver one: 248 x 176 x 8,5 mm 20:52:23 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.22.57.plusnet.pcl-ag01.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 20:53:52 <Sacro> wha? 20:54:03 <Belugas> night all 20:54:04 <Sacro> bah, didn't know that 20:54:08 <Wolf01> night Belugas 20:54:42 * Sacro is annoyed now 20:55:15 <Wolf01> do you have the "undress the girl" game in bundle? 20:55:51 <Sacro> WHAT? 20:55:57 <Sacro> PORN TOO? 20:56:02 <Wolf01> yeah 20:56:13 <Wolf01> multi touch pr0n! 20:57:27 <Sacro> >< 20:57:34 <Sacro> oh hang on, is that on the driver cd? 20:58:17 <frosch123> only with the silver one 20:58:18 <Wolf01> no, it's a premium download 20:58:51 <Wolf01> do you know... the second serial on the booklet 21:00:05 <Sacro> :( 21:00:12 * Sacro wants multi touch porn 21:00:27 <Prof_Frink> Sacro: Why? You can only use it one-handed 21:00:27 <Markk> How would that work? 21:00:33 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.22.57.plusnet.pcl-ag01.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:00:37 <Markk> Prof_Frink: you have 5 fingers you know 21:00:45 <Prof_Frink> Markk: He normally finishes after one touch? 21:00:49 <Markk> :D 21:00:57 <Markk> "Maxtor one touch" 21:01:11 <Sacro> Prof_Frink: true 21:01:52 *** violetblood [~fcp@79.114.82.133] has quit [Quit: - nbs-irc 2.39 - www.nbs-irc.net -] 21:02:55 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.32.223.plusnet.pcl-ag01.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 21:06:27 *** bb10 [~nn@dhcp-077-249-031-191.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:10:37 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17848 /trunk/src/widget.cpp: -Codechange: allow overriding (some) settings of STACKED_SELECTION_ZERO_SIZE widgets via UpdateWidgetSize 21:10:47 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17849 /trunk/src/misc_gui.cpp: -Codechange: make the saveload windows nested 21:10:58 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.32.223.plusnet.pcl-ag01.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:13:32 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.1.135.plusnet.pcl-ag01.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 21:14:04 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:16:45 <Sacro> note to self, jokerman is not a coding font 21:17:20 <TrueBrain> note to self, stop making notes to self in public channels :p 21:18:24 <frosch123> what is public about this channel? 21:18:40 <welshdragon> note to self, TrueBrain is annoying :D 21:18:46 <TrueBrain> I guess the fact it has no +k? :) 21:21:33 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.1.135.plusnet.pcl-ag01.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:21:39 <Sacro> no +k? 21:21:55 <Sacro> no +k? 21:21:55 <frosch123> yeah, and not enough +b 21:21:57 <Sacro> even 21:22:05 <TrueBrain> odd 21:22:27 <welshdragon> low 21:22:35 <Wolf01> high 21:22:41 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.79.221.plusnet.pte-ag2.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 21:22:47 <welshdragon> hello 21:22:54 <frosch123> it is raining in uk, right? 21:23:00 <Prof_Frink> Nope 21:23:04 <welshdragon> not where i am 21:23:21 <Prof_Frink> Not in the land of tractors 21:23:51 <frosch123> but in south west uk 21:23:52 <welshdragon> Not in the land of Sheep (F*********s) 21:23:57 <Sacro> frosch123: the UK is huge 21:24:08 <Prof_Frink> frosch123: Dorset (Ooo arr) is SW. 21:24:27 <welshdragon> Sacro: YOU MISSED MY WELSH RACISM :( 21:24:35 <frosch123> is that Quite Near The Spiritual Home of TTD ? 21:24:36 <Sacro> welshdragon: it's not racist 21:24:39 <Prof_Frink> Although, I am at the eastern end of the county 21:24:41 <Sacro> welsh isn't a race 21:24:55 <welshdragon> Sacro: we are a race 21:24:59 <Prof_Frink> Sacro: yes it is. 100m paralympic hurdles. 21:25:27 <Sacro> welshdragon: only if there's a sheep tied to a lampost 21:25:54 <welshdragon> there was a dog tied to a lamppost about 2 hours ago 21:26:13 <Sacro> or the cheese on toast is burning 21:26:41 <welshdragon> CAWS AR DOST! 21:26:51 <Prof_Frink> ARAF! 21:27:04 <welshdragon> GRYFACH! 21:27:28 <welshdragon> GRYFACH! 21:27:35 <welshdragon> GRY-fach! 21:27:44 * welshdragon hears a baa) 21:27:52 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.79.221.plusnet.pte-ag2.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:27:57 <Prof_Frink> TRYFAN FACH. 21:29:46 <TrueBrain> frosch123: okay, this channel indeed should not be public ;) 21:29:50 <TrueBrain> it is bad for children 21:30:21 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.11.93.plusnet.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 21:30:35 <andythenorth> frosch123: yes it's bloody raining :| 21:31:03 <andythenorth> definitely raining near here 21:31:04 <andythenorth> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chipping_Sodbury 21:31:49 <andythenorth> I will go to bed and stop inflicting my flaky connection on you 21:31:56 <andythenorth> I should get cable 21:31:59 <andythenorth> or a bouncer 21:32:39 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@254.78.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:33:29 *** FR^2 [frr@frquadrat.de] has quit [Quit: Der Worte sind genug gewechselt, lasst mich auch endlich Taten sehn!] 21:36:21 *** kay_ [~kay@90.242.204.141] has joined #openttd 21:36:34 *** kay_ [~kay@90.242.204.141] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:50:18 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.11.93.plusnet.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:56:30 <planetmaker> :-D @ frosch @ FS 3280 21:57:48 *** Chillosophy [~fu@195-241-120-76.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 21:59:09 <frosch123> the only thing i produced this evening :p 21:59:32 <planetmaker> good enough for my liking ;-) And basically what I tried to tell him 21:59:46 <planetmaker> and there's really nowhere a definition of which hp is used. 21:59:46 <frosch123> well, and wondering how to not emerge kdepimlibs 22:00:22 <frosch123> what does the original german ttd use? 22:00:33 <frosch123> (i.e. german ttdp) 22:00:41 <planetmaker> no idea :-) 22:02:01 *** teuntjuhh [~teuntjuhh@82.72.88.92] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:18:42 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has quit [] 22:22:31 *** nicfer1 [~Usuario@190.50.42.224] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:24:10 *** Muxy [~Benoit@smtp.bdelalande.net] has left #openttd [PACKET_CLIENT_QUIT] 22:24:24 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B481.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:34:44 <Wolf01> 'night 22:34:48 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host17-232-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:36:46 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g227079216.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 22:44:11 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g227024083.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:44:11 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 22:59:13 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B481.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:59:36 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590c3567.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:01:52 *** thepalm [~chatzilla@121.210.80.70] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.3/20090824101458]] 23:04:55 *** AC6000 [~AC6000@55-210.127-70.tampabay.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 23:05:14 <AC6000> evenin' 23:16:36 *** thepalm [~chatzilla@121.210.80.70] has joined #openttd 23:24:53 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:30:06 *** bryjen [~bryjen@75.81.201.131] has joined #openttd 23:32:57 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B15.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 23:33:25 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7776C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:39:48 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B3503.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:41:57 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B2A84.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 23:42:00 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 23:43:23 *** welshdragon [~markjones@147.143.254.214] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:56:34 <Xaroth> I wonder what the limits are on income a year... 23:56:52 <Xaroth> already up to a billion.. probably reaching around bil and a half soonish 23:56:58 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g227079216.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: *schiel*]