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00:02:48 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host81-151-2-84.range81-151.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 00:04:24 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.10.85.61] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0] 00:07:10 *** xi [~xi@78.110.223.65] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:07:56 *** xi [~xi@78.110.223.65] has joined #openttd 00:09:39 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d199-126-251-5.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Rhamphoryncus] 00:13:02 *** Gorillagram [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has joined #openttd 00:13:04 <Gorillagram> what the 00:13:06 <Gorillagram> D: 00:13:21 <Gorillagram> I finished... wait... shit... D: 00:13:25 <Gorillagram> argh 00:16:21 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:16:25 <Eddi|zuHause> you should try this new invention 00:16:31 <Eddi|zuHause> speaking in whole sentences 00:17:05 <Gorillagram> I finished drawing a set of sprites last night 00:17:25 <Gorillagram> but it looks like I was actually saving it on the desktop where I'd saved a copy to show someone, instead of in the correct working file 00:17:32 <Gorillagram> and I've since deleted the file off the desktop 00:17:52 <FauxFaux> This is why you should never delete things. 00:18:58 *** Chillosophy [~fu@195-241-120-76.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [] 00:20:41 <Gorillagram> true dat 00:24:29 <Gorillagram> looks like it's lost, oh well. redrawing tiems 00:26:52 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17863 /trunk/src/build_vehicle_gui.cpp: -Codechange: make the build vehicle window nested 00:28:17 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.198.81] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:28:33 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.198.81] has joined #openttd 00:28:51 *** Gorillagram is now known as Pikka 00:29:44 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.198.81] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:29:49 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.198.81] has joined #openttd 00:29:53 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.198.81] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:31:02 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.198.81] has joined #openttd 00:31:53 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.198.81] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:31:56 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.198.81] has joined #openttd 00:32:23 <Eddi|zuHause> if you did it once, you can do it again ;) 00:33:55 <Pikka> it's more tedious than anything else 00:34:23 <Pikka> damn steam engines and their funny shapes... damn chris sawyer and his round squares... 00:34:36 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: really? Try properly dieing and then doing it again! 00:35:27 <Eddi|zuHause> i immediately thought of walter when i said that :p 00:37:07 <Rubidium> that grumpy Walter? 00:40:23 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [] 00:45:21 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, that walter 00:45:30 <Eddi|zuHause> he talks about suicide bombers ;) 00:52:08 *** TrainzStoffe [~mirc@237.203.216.81.static.g-td.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #openttd 00:54:06 *** Tekky [~chatzilla@DSL01.212.114.230.104.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.3/20090824101458]] 00:56:38 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFA010.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:59:08 *** Stoffe [~mirc@237.203.216.81.static.g-td.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:59:08 *** TrainzStoffe is now known as Stoffe 00:01:02 *** Chrill [~chrischri@80.216.60.117] has joined #openttd 00:02:26 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:13:21 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db878d1.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 00:20:20 *** Chrill [~chrischri@80.216.60.117] has quit [] 00:20:23 *** lllugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db87a60.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:21:24 *** Chillosophy [~fu@195-241-120-76.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 00:21:30 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CBD1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:22:27 *** Gorillagram [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has joined #openttd 00:23:15 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:26:31 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:50:40 *** Gorillagram is now known as Pikka 02:08:04 *** Chillosophy [~fu@195-241-120-76.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [] 02:10:34 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host81-151-2-84.range81-151.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:14:15 *** Gorillagram [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has joined #openttd 02:19:09 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:20:34 *** Gorillagram is now known as Pikka 02:24:02 *** kieran491 [~kieran@c114-77-12-55.brasd3.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 03:27:30 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:e52b:323b:9332:50dc] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:33:25 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm182.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 03:38:04 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:13:32 *** lllugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8717d.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 04:20:53 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db878d1.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:24:46 *** nicfer1 [~usuario@190.50.36.254] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:27:06 *** nicfer1 [~Usuario@190.50.36.254] has joined #openttd 04:33:01 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 04:42:12 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has joined #openttd 05:45:09 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 06:44:43 *** eQualizer [~lauri@dyn12-192.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 07:08:03 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.79.58] has joined #openttd 07:26:01 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 07:48:03 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:58:01 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d199-126-251-5.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 08:00:03 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.79.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:00:16 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:08:14 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.26.46.plusnet.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 08:09:08 <Forked> morning :) 08:18:06 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@87.114.173.42.plusnet.thn-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 08:18:18 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.26.46.plusnet.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:19:27 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 08:22:58 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.112.26.97.plusnet.ptn-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 08:24:45 *** andythenorth__ [~andy@87.112.26.97.plusnet.ptn-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 08:24:46 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.112.26.97.plusnet.ptn-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:26:09 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@87.114.173.42.plusnet.thn-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:31:16 <Pikka> having fun andy? 08:33:45 *** nicfer1 [~Usuario@190.50.36.254] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:35:19 <andythenorth__> meh 08:35:38 <andythenorth__> our phone line is in the sky, old, rusty 08:38:32 <andythenorth__> Pikka: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=41607&p=827194#p827194 08:44:01 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F77B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:07:44 *** SpBot [spbot@skrblz.fixme.fi] has joined #openttd 09:07:51 <Pikka> http://www.pikkarail.com/junk/Image24.png :D 09:17:01 <andythenorth__> soon be time for a UK game again then... 09:17:13 <andythenorth__> NARS good, but I've played it *a lot* :D 09:17:25 <andythenorth__> still my favourite 09:17:29 <Pikka> :) 09:17:36 <andythenorth__> shame OzTrans is sulking about Canset though 09:17:50 <Pikka> well, when this is done, and NARS is updated a little, you'll be able to play them /together/, moderately sensibly. :P 09:18:01 <andythenorth__> Next stop: Australian trainset? 09:18:04 <Pikka> but yeah, I'm just about finished all the steam locos, and all the steam-era rolling stock. 09:18:38 <Pikka> revisit http://pikkarail.com/ttdp/secret/pineapple.htm ? maybe. :P 09:19:07 <andythenorth__> australia has a lot of things that look like f units? 09:19:21 <Pikka> down south they did, yes 09:19:28 <Pikka> up here, not so much, 'cause we're narrow gauge 09:19:39 <andythenorth__> ah ok 09:20:00 <andythenorth__> when I've done what I'm doing (if that's ever finished), I want to do North American Road Vehicle Set 09:20:15 <andythenorth__> then when *that's* done...Australia / Commonwealth road vehicle set 09:20:26 <andythenorth__> because it's similar trucks, just more trailers :D 09:20:37 <Pikka> you should talk to Dan, he drew a load of north american trucks which I never quite got around to coding :] 09:21:16 <andythenorth__> I know :) I've been making sure HEQS scales ok against them 09:21:28 <andythenorth__> kind of tricky, cos it also has to scale against eGRVTS 09:21:41 <Pikka> eGRVTS is a little overscale, I think 09:22:01 <andythenorth__> HEQS is a little underscale 09:22:22 <Pikka> our locos look mostly like this: http://locopage.railpage.org.au/qr/2100.html 09:22:34 <Pikka> we have 3'6" track and a loading gauge similar to the UK 09:22:59 <Pikka> (and all our signalling and practice is very UK too, whereas it's more american down south) 09:23:26 <andythenorth__> 2100 looks like UK 66 without skin? 09:23:48 <Pikka> well, it's an EMD 09:23:57 <Pikka> but we also had EE locos which looked similar 09:24:43 <andythenorth__> FIRS deliberately includes some 'Oz-friendly' industries. 09:24:47 <Pikka> QR had a long-time policy of sourcing alternate loco classes from EMD and EE, just in case one or the other went broke and couldn't supply spares any more; it'd only take out half the fleet. :P 09:25:03 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.231.53] has joined #openttd 09:25:20 <Pikka> speed freaks are gonna hate a QR set though 09:25:28 <Pikka> maximum speed of trains in 1900: 50mph 09:25:31 <Pikka> maximum speed of trains in 2000: 50mph 09:25:33 <Pikka> :] 09:25:53 <andythenorth__> Oz Trucks: max speed 50mph? 09:26:09 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:26:38 <Pikka> road would be faster than rail... could be interesting 09:27:00 <andythenorth__> project for 2012 09:27:06 <andythenorth__> if I'm not utterly bored by TTD by then 09:27:14 <Pikka> hehe 09:28:41 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 09:33:54 *** tdev [~tdev@p508ECCC6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:35:05 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.231.53] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:35:31 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fed1d.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 09:37:16 <Pikka> there's so many projects which sound like a good idea, but one can't quite summon the willpower for :P 09:39:13 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@24.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 09:39:20 <Terkhen> good morning 09:39:24 <andythenorth__> morning 09:39:31 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 09:39:36 <andythenorth__> Pikka: any favourite examples? 09:40:18 <frosch123> ripping all the crap from kde-4 09:40:57 <andythenorth__> writing a compiler for nfo for any sane language of choice (preferably Python)? 09:41:11 <andythenorth__> speaking of which, frosch123 I think I now grok registers 09:42:14 <frosch123> nice :) 09:42:47 <andythenorth__> I think I'm always going to have questions about bit shifts, AND masks etc, but I think I can now use most action 2 / cb / advanced action 2 09:43:11 <andythenorth__> I don't really understand the purpose of operator 7E, but I don't seem to need it...problem for another day 09:44:23 <frosch123> you can use 7e for parentheses inside computations 09:44:54 <frosch123> or for sharing subterms accross multiple computations/decisions 09:45:55 <andythenorth__> ok I think I get it 09:46:28 <andythenorth__> so val 2 in an advanced calculation could be the result of a varaction 2 chain 09:46:41 <frosch123> yes 09:48:00 <andythenorth__> [afk] 09:51:30 *** Luukland [~luukland@s559031d6.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 10:00:10 *** thingwath [~thingwath@r2ap232.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:02:30 *** teuntjuhh [~teuntjuhh@82.72.88.92] has joined #openttd 10:02:36 <teuntjuhh> #luukland 10:02:44 <teuntjuhh> sigh 10:02:46 <teuntjuhh> how does that work 10:03:27 <andythenorth__> I guess there's no value in a crash log from a patched nightly running development nfo code? 10:06:11 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:09:33 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has joined #openttd 10:09:36 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 10:14:20 *** thingwath [~thingwath@r2ap232.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 10:14:48 <frosch123> did f12 cause some crash? 10:16:01 *** Luukland [~luukland@s559031d6.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has left #openttd [] 10:17:31 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d199-126-251-5.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Rhamphoryncus] 10:22:40 <andythenorth__> frosch123: no, it was a different patched version (I am using f12 patch, but not when it crashed - savegame compatibility reason) 10:37:31 *** LadyHawk [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:37:52 *** LadyHawk [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:45:25 <andythenorth__> Pikka: ooh...sugar mill :) 10:45:45 <andythenorth__> looks nice. I've got to draw one for FIRS sometime 10:46:25 <andythenorth__> and a dragline for coal 10:46:56 <andythenorth__> Guess there are licensing issues with the Pineapple ones [:) 10:51:03 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@82-32-243-15.cable.ubr11.newt.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:51:40 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@82-32-243-15.cable.ubr11.newt.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [] 10:52:42 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g227081223.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 10:53:03 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:55:54 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 10:58:47 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:00:24 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:05:37 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has joined #openttd 11:05:53 <Pikka> sorry... andy, if you want to use my dragline, feel free, it's pretty crap though :P 11:06:16 <Pikka> most of the other industries are based on TTD graphics, so you probably wouldn't want to use them. 11:15:20 <andythenorth__> Pikka: so the Pineapple sugar mill produces directly? No cane cargo? 11:20:34 *** kannerke [~pvdenber@83.101.79.14] has joined #openttd 11:20:49 <Pikka> yeah 11:22:47 <Pikka> the cane is gathered from the fields by the 2ft tramways, and brought to the mill for processing. there's no industry one could really use as a source for the cane. 11:23:32 <Pikka> and the 2ft tramways aren't used to transport anything else, they really are single-use industrial railways, so having them player buildable wouldn't be useful/realistic 11:24:54 <Pikka> do the 3d fields work in OTTD, btw? I don't remember ever trying it. 11:26:35 <Rubidium> 3d fields? 11:26:43 <andythenorth__> 3d fields? 11:28:10 <andythenorth__> I've tried touching the screen where the fields are, but I can't feel any bumps... 11:28:26 <Pikka> the sugar fields have height, and should hide the tile behind them 11:28:37 <Pikka> should/do in ttdp 11:28:44 <andythenorth__> they do in OpenTTD as well 11:28:48 <Pikka> okay, good :) 11:28:51 <andythenorth__> by about 8 px 11:28:56 <Pikka> yes 11:29:23 <andythenorth__> you know OzTrans is planning QR / NSW (?) cane trains for CanSet? 11:29:40 <Pikka> really? weird. 11:29:59 * andythenorth__ shrgu 11:30:02 <andythenorth__> shrug 11:30:12 <andythenorth__> I'll buy them for a dollar 11:31:01 <Pikka> is he going to draw the track for them? 11:31:05 <andythenorth__> don't know 11:31:13 <andythenorth__> canset has NG already, think he's just using that 11:31:15 <andythenorth__> let me see... 11:31:25 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17864 /trunk/src/osk_gui.cpp: -Codechange: make the OSK nested 11:32:07 <Pikka> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaNxPuYtLhU how fast do you reckon that is? :P 11:33:34 <Rubidium> ~5 km/h / ~3 mph / walking speed 11:33:50 <Rubidium> though faster than when I would need to pull it 11:34:02 <Pikka> 'cause that's about as fast as they go :) 11:35:18 *** FR^2 [frr@frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 11:35:56 <frosch123> [12:29] <andythenorth__> they do in OpenTTD as well <- fields do not have BB in ottd. they will not hide houses or stuff on foundations. also railway fences will be in front of them 11:36:38 <Rubidium> oh, later on it's going more like 10-15 km/h 11:36:41 <andythenorth__> Pikka: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=41607&start=940 11:37:20 <Pikka> I see 11:38:09 <andythenorth__> 1km long train at ~3mph? And they have grade crossings right? 11:38:20 <andythenorth__> I guess people in QL try and beat the train? 11:38:20 <Pikka> yep 11:38:51 <Pikka> rarely, down here at least. up north, possibly. 11:39:45 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@254.78.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 11:40:39 <Pikka> QR trains on branchlines up north usually crawl up to crossings anyway because the crossings have no bells or gates, and the branchlines see only one or two trains a year :) 11:40:42 <andythenorth__> this one is going at a fair clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KzDhWznMbU&feature=related 11:41:02 <Pikka> yeah, he's going some :o 11:41:34 <Pikka> I like the rail/rail level crossings.. interesting :) 11:41:43 *** tdev [~tdev@p508ECCC6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:41:55 <andythenorth__> ah here's mine: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpcUNYEH5X4&feature=related 11:42:42 <Pikka> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kP6AGTaIQNs&feature=related :D 11:44:56 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@82-32-243-15.cable.ubr11.newt.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:46:26 *** TrainzStoffe [~mirc@237.203.216.81.static.g-td.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #openttd 11:50:04 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.10.85.61] has joined #openttd 11:50:27 <andythenorth__> I like sets with NG 11:50:37 <andythenorth__> NG for NARS? 11:53:48 *** Stoffe [~mirc@237.203.216.81.static.g-td.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:53:48 *** TrainzStoffe is now known as Stoffe 11:55:44 <Pikka> I think dan was thinking about it :) 11:55:56 *** Mark [~mark@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 11:55:59 *** kieran491 [~kieran@c114-77-12-55.brasd3.vic.optusnet.com.au] has left #openttd [] 11:56:53 *** Mark [~mark@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 11:57:56 <andythenorth__> there are engines in canset already...not much drawing required 11:59:20 <Pikka> right, if I want to get this alpha out tonight I'd better get on with it! 11:59:47 <andythenorth__> me too... 12:00:16 <Pikka> gonna be busy with uni work all day tomorrow... 12:00:53 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFB2F8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:05:55 *** Gorillagram [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has joined #openttd 12:07:18 *** TrainzStoffe [~mirc@237.203.216.81.static.g-td.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #openttd 12:09:01 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 12:12:22 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:13:48 *** Gorillagram is now known as Pikka 12:14:28 *** Stoffe [~mirc@237.203.216.81.static.g-td.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:14:28 *** TrainzStoffe is now known as Stoffe 12:17:15 *** thepalm [~chatzilla@121.210.80.70] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.3/20090824101458]] 12:30:09 <andythenorth__> frosch123 / Rubidium: how expensive are things like branching varaction 2s, for example, when used by the regular production cb? 12:31:18 <frosch123> andythenorth__: don't care about single branching, care about the total number of callbacks called 12:31:26 <andythenorth__> ok thanks 12:32:58 <andythenorth__> ethics: code with significant redundancy and more complicated logic (hard to work with) 12:33:11 <andythenorth__> versus code that's really easy to share between industry...(usually easier to maintain and debug) 12:33:19 <andythenorth__> ho hum 12:35:37 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 12:35:51 *** chat [~chat@f053074238.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 12:37:40 <frosch123> andythenorth__: http://devs.openttd.org/~frosch/texts/ECSProfile081222.txt <- some statistics i did for ecs somewhat ago, once you use the animation_speed callback, no other callback matters :) 12:38:23 <andythenorth__> :O 12:39:15 <andythenorth__> frosch123: is there a handy 80+ var that I could use to figure out how many output cargos there are 12:39:19 <andythenorth__> 08 perhaps? 12:39:27 <andythenorth__> or I could just hard code it 12:40:15 <andythenorth__> nvm, I've just realised I can do it with a constant 12:41:21 <frosch123> sure you could use var 88 and 89, but you could also organise the varact2 chains, so you know what is present 12:48:04 *** [alt]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #openttd 12:48:05 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:49:01 *** chat [~chat@f053074238.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: http://irc2go.com/] 12:49:44 *** max [~max@f053074238.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 12:51:38 *** max [~max@f053074238.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [] 12:51:52 *** max [~max@f053074238.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 12:51:54 *** TrainzStoffe [~mirc@237.203.216.81.static.g-td.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #openttd 12:52:32 *** max [~max@f053074238.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [] 12:52:46 *** max [~max@f053074238.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 12:59:53 *** Stoffe [~mirc@237.203.216.81.static.g-td.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:59:53 *** TrainzStoffe is now known as Stoffe 13:00:11 *** Luukland [~luukland@s559031d6.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 13:00:18 <Luukland> Server monopoly :p 13:00:24 <Luukland> I need more servers :P 13:02:35 <Luukland> Can someone make me an ottd server offer? 13:06:08 <Alberth> Didn't TrueBrain give you one yesterday ? 13:06:58 <Luukland> he didn't, because he is a merchant 13:07:06 <Luukland> and not a server engineer 13:07:33 <andythenorth__> frosch123: any cost to using persistent storage instead of registers? (I have more than enough persistent spare for my needs, it's useful for debug) 13:08:33 <frosch123> there should be no difference 13:08:41 <andythenorth__> great 13:08:43 *** max [~max@f053074238.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: http://irc2go.com/] 13:08:57 *** max [~max@f053074238.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 13:11:16 *** max [~max@f053074238.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [] 13:12:53 * Alberth wonders why TB is sys-admin at openttd.org then :p 13:13:16 *** teuntjuhh [~teuntjuhh@82.72.88.92] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:13:28 <TrueBrain> I wonder about that too .. 13:13:36 <TrueBrain> or rather: I am as suprised as you are Alberth :) 13:13:46 * Luukland grabs a stone and trows it into Ex\'s Servers 13:14:02 <Rubidium> can I join you with throwing rocks? 13:14:37 <Luukland> If you try to miss my servers 13:14:38 <Luukland> Sure 13:15:07 <frosch123> Luukland: he is 4 years older than you 13:15:38 <Luukland> Ex or Tubidididum 13:15:43 <Luukland> * Rubidididum 13:19:54 *** Cybert1nus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 13:20:59 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:f890:4075:5435:eab] has joined #openttd 13:21:02 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:26:41 *** Luukland [~luukland@s559031d6.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has left #openttd [] 13:28:02 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db18f49.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 13:29:37 <Eddi|zuHause> dumdidum? 13:31:02 *** Cybert1nus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:34:08 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: alberth * r17865 /trunk/src/ (group_gui.cpp vehicle_gui.cpp vehicle_gui_base.h): -Codechange: Remove references to specific widgets and step-heights from BaseVehicleListWindow::DrawVehicleListItems(). 13:36:24 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B3419.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:38:39 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B30D1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 13:38:42 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 13:53:10 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17866 /trunk/src/graph_gui.cpp: -Codechange: make the remaining graph windows nested 14:14:03 <Pikka> shoop da woop 14:14:45 *** andythenorth__ [~andy@87.112.26.97.plusnet.ptn-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:20:36 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-141.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #openttd 14:21:19 *** worldemar [~woldemar@188.122.230.230] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:29:21 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has joined #openttd 14:30:28 <yorick> hmm...clients with STATUS_AUTH aren't autokicked 14:31:04 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has quit [] 14:31:05 *** sdafsdf [~here@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:31:09 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has joined #openttd 14:31:14 *** LadyHawk [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:31:15 *** sdafsdf is now known as LadyHawk 14:31:18 <yorick> which allows to DoS a server just by having open connections 14:37:49 *** TrainzStoffe [~mirc@237.203.216.81.static.g-td.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #openttd 14:38:36 *** worldemar [~woldemar@188.122.230.53] has joined #openttd 14:41:48 *** kannerke [~pvdenber@83.101.79.14] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:44:27 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has quit [Quit: Ping timeout: 540 seconds] 14:44:58 *** Stoffe [~mirc@237.203.216.81.static.g-td.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:44:58 *** TrainzStoffe is now known as Stoffe 14:52:58 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: alberth * r17867 /trunk/src/ (vehicle_gui.cpp vehicle_gui_base.h): -Codechange: Prepare BaseVehicleListWindow for nested widgets. 14:54:21 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g227081223.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 14:54:22 *** TrainzStoffe [~mirc@237.203.216.81.static.g-td.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #openttd 14:57:21 *** Stoffe [~mirc@237.203.216.81.static.g-td.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:57:21 *** TrainzStoffe is now known as Stoffe 14:58:18 *** Mark [~mark@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:58:58 *** Mark [~mark@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 15:04:24 *** Petert [~Petert@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 15:04:32 *** Chillosophy [~fu@195-241-120-76.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 15:04:55 *** Petert [~Petert@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [] 15:05:59 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-141.prem.tmns.net.au] has quit [] 15:08:28 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: alberth * r17868 /trunk/src/vehicle_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Vehicle list window uses nested widgets only. 15:09:42 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has quit [] 15:13:41 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g227081223.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 15:14:15 *** worldemar [~woldemar@188.122.230.53] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:27:50 *** combuster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #openttd 15:28:09 *** lmg [~lmg@ANantes-257-1-162-187.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 15:28:24 *** worldemar [~woldemar@188.122.233.96] has joined #openttd 15:29:20 *** worldemar [~woldemar@188.122.233.96] has quit [] 15:29:44 *** [alt]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:31:20 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 15:32:48 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.112.26.97.plusnet.ptn-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 15:35:56 *** worldemar [~woldemar@188.122.232.100] has joined #openttd 15:46:39 <andythenorth> Repeat games might be more fun if the cargo payment rates were randomised at the start of the game... 15:46:43 <andythenorth> ..or even during it! 15:46:58 <andythenorth> ...once again, I have to start with coal...boring boring boring 15:50:19 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 15:51:10 <Alberth> that saves a few clicks only, ie you don't have to look at the cargo payment rates first. 15:51:33 <andythenorth> ?? 15:52:04 <Alberth> somewhere in the graphs you can find how much money you get for each cargo 15:52:25 <andythenorth> I know but what does that have to do with randomising them? :P 15:53:13 <andythenorth> also eGRVTS should include flocks of sheep, and herds of cattle, for the purposes of transport livestock... 15:53:16 <Alberth> the game can randomize what it likes, but one look at the graph tells me what to start transporting, so you don't gain a lot of game play imho 15:53:52 <andythenorth> but what you transport changes the whole game? 15:53:56 <Eddi|zuHause> wait, you don't put 3 sheep on one horse for transporting them??? 15:54:17 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: I do today, but it would be better not to....we should tell Zephyris :D 15:54:20 <Alberth> that's around 1900 Eddi|zuHause 15:54:43 <andythenorth> I have just started a 1900 game...spooky 15:55:10 <Alberth> did coal mines exist back then? 15:55:44 <Alberth> people just chopped down the nearest tree, didn't they? 15:56:37 <Eddi|zuHause> Alberth: coal became important during the beginning of industrialisation, so around 1800 15:57:51 <Alberth> oh, I am off a century. Ah well. 15:58:26 <andythenorth> only off by one 16:02:59 *** worldemar [~woldemar@188.122.232.100] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:03:15 <yorick> client slots: 256/8579 16:03:19 <yorick> servers: 192 16:03:50 <yorick> companies: 743/2084... hmm, more companies than clients 16:05:14 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-250-157.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 16:09:22 *** Biolunar_ [mahdi@blfd-4db03f55.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:14:30 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db18f49.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:18:35 *** worldemar [~woldemar@188.122.231.182] has joined #openttd 16:26:20 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm182.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:31:44 *** Biolunar_ is now known as Biolunar 16:34:48 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.112.26.97.plusnet.ptn-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:37:22 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.27.179.plusnet.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 16:41:59 *** worldemar [~woldemar@188.122.231.182] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:51:18 * andythenorth assert 16:57:36 <andythenorth> hmm...I've ctrl-joined truck and rail stations, and they aren't accepting cargo. Never seen that before. r17590 (patched) 16:57:39 <andythenorth> hey ho 16:58:02 *** worldemar [~woldemar@85.114.184.105] has joined #openttd 17:00:23 <andythenorth> level crossings fail to stop vehicles if no signals built on the rail line 17:01:57 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: smatz * r17869 /trunk/src/window.cpp: -Codechange: don't create OnScroll() event for zero delta 17:04:02 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: trains only reserve paths if they encounter a path signal, if only block signals or no signals are present, they don't reserve a path, so level crossings only close on imminent approach of the train 17:04:32 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: I found that out the hard way :) 17:05:01 *** bb10 [~nnscript@dhcp-077-249-031-191.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 17:09:17 *** _Muddy [muddy@playing.OpenTTD.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:09:33 *** Muddy [muddy@playing.OpenTTD.no] has joined #openttd 17:13:18 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, why do all holidays fall on a saturday this year... the 3rd october was a saturday, the 31st october is a saturday... 17:14:24 * SmatZ had holidays on 28th September and 28th October 17:15:01 *** KritiK_ [~Maxim@78-106-251-217.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 17:15:13 <Eddi|zuHause> should i feel honoured that you celebrate my birthday that much? :p 17:16:25 <SmatZ> very :-) 17:19:30 <SmatZ> dihedral / planetmaker / OSX users - when OTTD starts, there is a splash image, right? 17:19:59 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-250-157.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:20:11 *** KritiK_ is now known as KritiK 17:20:13 <andythenorth> yes 17:20:52 <SmatZ> it is not "fullscreen", right? 17:21:21 <SmatZ> http://devs.openttd.org/~smatz/splash3.diff http://devs.openttd.org/~smatz/splash3b.diff 17:21:29 <SmatZ> does one of these diffs change the behaviour? 17:22:46 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: alberth * r17870 /trunk/src/ (aircraft_gui.cpp roadveh_gui.cpp ship_gui.cpp): -Codechange: Use fontsize when drawing roadveh, ship, and aircraft details. 17:26:53 *** lmg [~lmg@ANantes-257-1-162-187.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 17:27:54 <SmatZ> andythenorth: could you test that please? 17:28:10 <SmatZ> if you have trunk sources somewhere around :) 17:28:12 <planetmaker> [18:19] <SmatZ> dihedral / planetmaker / OSX users - when OTTD starts, there is a splash image, right? 17:28:27 <planetmaker> ^ yes ,there is. It's the OpenTTD thing on black background 17:29:07 <planetmaker> but the black covers the whole screen 17:29:16 <SmatZ> planetmaker: is black background nice? shouldn't it be rather white or transparent? 17:29:33 <planetmaker> I don't mind either actually. It's too short to bother me in any way. 17:29:50 <frosch123> SmatZ: how would you do transparent? 17:29:55 <planetmaker> like 1/4th of a second or so 17:30:05 <SmatZ> frosch123: I don't know 17:30:51 <frosch123> planetmaker: is it shown before ottd scans for grfs and such? 17:31:06 <planetmaker> frosch123: it's shown before I see anything else 17:31:22 <planetmaker> whether it scans for newgrfs before... dunno 17:31:39 <frosch123> oh, so you do not have enough grfs installed 17:31:41 <Eddi|zuHause> scanning for newgrfs is probably the largest task ;) 17:31:59 <planetmaker> frosch123: how many would I need? 17:32:16 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: the coop pack not enough? 17:32:25 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: I surely have more 17:32:29 <planetmaker> bananas has many :-) 17:32:34 <planetmaker> and a dozen further or so 17:32:52 <Eddi|zuHause> ./openttd -d misc=2 will tell you 17:33:02 <frosch123> planetmaker: actually the whole time from starting ottd until the main screen appears is used for scanning grfs 17:33:06 <frosch123> nothing else todo 17:33:32 <planetmaker> ok, I guess it scans before 17:33:53 <frosch123> ottd 0.5.3 starts in about 0.1 s, while trunk needs some seconds on my pc, when they are not already in some cache :p 17:34:14 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, it spends ages in "dbg: [misc] Loading blitter..." 17:34:54 <Eddi|zuHause> (linux here) 17:35:37 <frosch123> ah, i see, first scanning for tars, then the blitter line, and then scanning for grfs 17:36:23 <Eddi|zuHause> it "scans for tars" a dozen times... 17:36:26 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause, planetmaker: -d misc=1 -d grf=1 17:36:36 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: smatz * r17871 /trunk/src/os/macosx/splash.cpp: -Fix (r11342): memset() accepts only 1-byte argument 17:37:21 <Eddi|zuHause> ah, it loads the grfs, that's what's taking ages 17:37:45 <frosch123> yeah, it parses every grf to find the name, grfid and md5sum 17:37:59 <planetmaker> Ok, I got 197 tars ans 326 grfs 17:38:01 <frosch123> i.e. it has to read them all 17:38:03 <Eddi|zuHause> hm. NewShips is GRVv2 :p 17:38:19 <planetmaker> and it's all done before I see anything 17:38:29 <frosch123> so the splash is quite useless :p 17:38:47 <planetmaker> why? 17:38:54 <Eddi|zuHause> it should be started earlier 17:39:01 <planetmaker> oh, it should persist till scanning is done...? Hm... :-) 17:40:22 <Eddi|zuHause> dbg: [grf] [ecs_machinery_vector.b5__25_sep_2009_/ecsmachw.grf:71] Unsupported in-game variable 0x93 17:40:24 <planetmaker> SmatZ: both patches don't compile: /Users/ingo/ottd/trunk/src/os/macosx/splash.cpp:158: error: 'x' was not declared in this scope 17:41:35 <Eddi|zuHause> is that something to ignore/worry about/report/other ? 17:42:01 <SmatZ> planetmaker: oh :( 17:42:09 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: no 17:42:35 <frosch123> i.e. "ignore" 17:42:36 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: "zutreffendes bitte unterstreichen" :p 17:43:35 <planetmaker> hm... should be easy to amend, though 17:44:19 *** combuster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:46:45 <SmatZ> planetmaker: http://devs.openttd.org/~smatz/macosx.diff when you update trunk and apply this patch, does it compile? 17:46:47 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, would it be useful to have a "human readable" display of the GRF-ID? i.e. "6D620601 (mb 6 1)" or something? 17:47:08 <planetmaker> SmatZ: it was just a missing uint x in the for loop 17:47:20 <SmatZ> planetmaker: yeah, this adds some coding style as well :) 17:47:28 <planetmaker> but... what should have changed? I didn't perceive any change... 17:47:39 *** lobstar is now known as lobster 17:47:47 <SmatZ> planetmaker: nothing should change 17:48:16 <SmatZ> planetmaker: with splash3.diff, is the screen black or white? 17:48:19 <SmatZ> that could change 17:50:18 <planetmaker> actually... it first turns white, then black, then the title menu 17:50:43 <planetmaker> nicely visible if there's a concurrent compile job slowing down everything ;-) 17:50:46 <SmatZ> hehe :) 17:51:13 <SmatZ> planetmaker: but there isn't any difference between splash3.diff and splash3b.diff, right? 17:51:48 <planetmaker> SmatZ: there isn't. yes 17:52:03 <andythenorth> time for something else... 17:52:05 <andythenorth> bye! 17:52:08 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.27.179.plusnet.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has left #openttd [] 17:52:28 <SmatZ> planetmaker: thank you :-) 17:52:41 <planetmaker> as always, welcome :-) 17:52:50 <SmatZ> planetmaker: could you please check http://devs.openttd.org/~smatz/macosx.diff applied to trunk compiles? 17:52:52 <SmatZ> ;-) 17:53:11 <planetmaker> did it change? 17:53:24 <planetmaker> since 18:46? 17:53:53 <planetmaker> if not: yes, it compiles with the same result as before - and as should be expected, you coding-style nazi ;-) 17:54:02 * planetmaker hugs SmatZ 17:54:06 <SmatZ> :o) 17:55:08 <planetmaker> btw: that was the concurrent compile job :-P 17:55:24 <SmatZ> hehe 17:55:25 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: smatz * r17872 /trunk/src/os/macosx/splash.cpp: 17:55:25 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: -Codechange: apply coding style to splash.cpp 17:55:25 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: -Fix (r17871): missing variable declaration 17:55:45 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc 288*2.25 17:55:45 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 648 17:57:22 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc 304*2.25 17:57:22 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 684 18:09:46 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@254.78.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 18:10:52 *** FR^2 [frr@frquadrat.de] has quit [Quit: Der Worte sind genug gewechselt, lasst mich auch endlich Taten sehn!] 18:29:40 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@24.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 18:48:04 *** yorick_ [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 18:48:22 *** yorick is now known as Guest408 18:48:22 *** yorick_ is now known as yorick 18:49:47 *** xadalt [~root@ti541210a341-0784.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 18:52:21 *** xadalt [~root@ti541210a341-0784.bb.online.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:54:46 *** Guest408 [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:59:03 *** bb10 [~nnscript@dhcp-077-249-031-191.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:04:50 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F77B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:08:31 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d199-126-251-5.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 19:10:49 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFB2F8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 2.0.0.20/2008121709]] 19:12:26 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFB2F8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:14:13 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.188.117] has joined #openttd 19:17:44 *** nicfer1 [~Usuario@190.50.35.116] has joined #openttd 19:21:24 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.198.81] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:24:23 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 19:40:38 *** TrainzStoffe [~mirc@237.203.216.81.static.g-td.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #openttd 19:42:18 *** George3 [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 19:42:59 <dihedral> SmatZ, yep there is a "splash screen" 19:43:22 <dihedral> however, not like a splash screen jedit has for example 19:43:24 <SmatZ> oh :) 19:43:56 <SmatZ> I thought there is desktop visible when splash screen is shown 19:43:58 <SmatZ> but it isn't 19:44:22 <SmatZ> (it has the same size as OTTD window) 19:44:32 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:45:02 <dihedral> yes 19:45:10 <dihedral> it is in the window 19:45:20 <dihedral> and for me it takes a while till it gets there 19:46:08 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:46:21 <SmatZ> so I thought Alpha has to be == 0 so desktop is visible under the rest of window (outside the splash image) 19:46:30 <SmatZ> but alpha has no effect 19:47:33 *** Stoffe [~mirc@237.203.216.81.static.g-td.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:47:33 *** TrainzStoffe is now known as Stoffe 19:49:28 <dihedral> i get a load of dbg: [misc] Scanning for tars 19:49:31 <dihedral> before the splash 19:50:10 <dihedral> loads all content downloaded from bananas 19:50:29 *** PeterT [~PeterT@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:50:35 <SmatZ> someone(tm) could change that 19:50:43 <SmatZ> so splash screen is shown during tar scan 19:51:00 <frosch123> but then it should be done for all os :) 19:51:00 <SmatZ> unless it has to be done in that order 19:51:19 <SmatZ> frosch123: how do you mean? 19:51:43 <frosch123> hmm, never mind, i just noticed that you cannot print any text until the basegrfs are loaded 19:52:31 <SmatZ> true 19:52:35 <dihedral> dbg: [misc] Scanning for tars 19:52:44 <dihedral> that is the first action after finding personal dir 19:52:44 <SmatZ> :( 19:52:48 <frosch123> dihedral: use -d misc=1 -d grf=1 19:52:56 <dihedral> i used -d9 :-P 19:53:01 <frosch123> :o 19:53:11 <frosch123> so it takes most time to print stuff to console? 19:54:04 *** George3 [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:57:26 <yorick> splash screen? 19:57:45 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:58:17 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:10:43 <dihedral> frosch123, it's more detailed at least ;-) 20:14:43 *** PeterT_ [~PeterT@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:14:53 *** PeterT_ [~PeterT@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:19:12 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 20:19:50 *** JFBelugas [~jfranc@ip-127.84.126.206.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net] has joined #openttd 20:23:43 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:23:54 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 20:27:00 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:28:13 *** PeterT [~PeterT@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:32:27 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:32:49 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 20:33:39 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:44:59 *** JFBelugas [~jfranc@ip-127.84.126.206.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:49:42 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 20:50:06 *** N35 [~user@0x55535623.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:56:45 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 20:57:14 *** N35 [~user@0x55535623.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 20:59:03 *** Aitor [~aitor@118.Red-213-97-221.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #openttd 21:00:24 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.10.85.61] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:01:09 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.10.85.61] has joined #openttd 21:04:14 *** Muxy [~Benoit@smtp.bdelalande.net] has joined #openttd 21:06:22 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Poef!] 21:17:01 *** PineappleBoy [~DarkTakua@cpe-98-155-155-21.hawaii.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 21:17:10 <PineappleBoy> hi, I need help 21:17:36 <Rubidium> me too 21:17:37 <Alberth> hi, I need sleep 21:17:43 <PineappleBoy> what files do I need to open OpenTTD? 21:17:59 <Rubidium> the ones mentioned in the readme? 21:18:07 <PineappleBoy> but where is it 21:18:17 <PineappleBoy> where in the readme 21:18:23 <Alberth> section 4 21:18:26 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17873 /trunk/src/settings_gui.cpp: -Codechange: make the advanced settings window nested 21:18:27 <PineappleBoy> k 21:18:43 <Alberth> as stated in the toc iirc 21:18:45 <PineappleBoy> ah, thanks 21:20:28 * frosch123 is very disappointed that noone on the forums complained about the nightly being late 21:21:25 <Eddi|zuHause> who cares about nightlies anymore? 21:22:10 <Rubidium> at least 1 person who started to mention that there were no MSVC builds after two nightlies 21:22:27 <glx> why late ? 21:22:39 <glx> they are build at the same time 21:22:59 <glx> 20:00 CET 21:22:59 <Alberth> yes, but we shifted an hour :) 21:24:41 <Sacro> zomg we did :o 21:25:55 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@24.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 21:26:56 <PineappleBoy> where do I find the .grf files 21:27:12 <Rubidium> glx: but... Belugas will be here an hour earlier 21:27:55 <glx> PineappleBoy: TTD files ? 21:28:00 <frosch123> [22:23] <glx> 20:00 CET <- is that the same time as 2000 CEST? 21:28:16 <PineappleBoy> I think so 21:28:23 <PineappleBoy> from the readme.txt 21:28:32 <Nite_Owl> U.S. does not time shift foe another week 21:28:38 <Nite_Owl> *for 21:28:43 <glx> frosch123: no, but 20:00 is still 20:00 :) 21:29:29 <glx> compile farm starts at 20:00 CE(S)T indeed 21:29:30 <Rubidium> Nite_Owl: for the parts of the U.S. that do shift 21:29:35 <PineappleBoy> :l 21:30:02 <glx> PineappleBoy: ask google for the files, we won't give links to them 21:30:07 <PineappleBoy> ok 21:30:08 <frosch123> they shift on haloween? 21:30:09 <Nite_Owl> I think only Arizona and parts of Indiana do not time shift 21:30:25 <Alberth> frosch123: spooky.. 21:30:46 <Rubidium> that's going to be a long night :) 21:30:49 <Eddi|zuHause> PineappleBoy: we can give you the hint to look for opengfx, though 21:31:27 <Nite_Owl> technically it would be on November 1st 21:31:54 <Eddi|zuHause> exception from the exception are the native territories within arizona :p 21:32:13 <Alberth> lots of opportunities for time traveling 21:32:50 * Rubidium always wonders how to do building jobs that work acros time zones 21:33:07 <Rubidium> suppliers coming too late/early etc 21:33:15 <Sacro> oooh 21:33:19 <Sacro> any train drivers in here? 21:33:27 <Sacro> @seen Bjarni 21:33:27 <DorpsGek> Sacro: Bjarni was last seen in #openttd 6 weeks, 5 days, 1 hour, 33 minutes, and 22 seconds ago: <Bjarni> Belugas: there is no reason to write to PeterT. We already know he is unable to read anyway :P 21:33:28 <Eddi|zuHause> since when do contractors ever arrive on time? 21:33:30 <Sacro> agh >< 21:33:36 * Sacro needs to find some train drivers 21:34:02 <Eddi|zuHause> Sacro: i have a handful of trains, but they're not good for driving, really 21:34:24 <Rubidium> Sacro: maybe you can find some train drivers at say... a train station? 21:34:50 <Sacro> Rubidium: yes, but not one's that i can get to stop and answer some questions 21:34:53 <Sacro> er 21:34:54 <Sacro> ones 21:35:07 <Eddi|zuHause> reminds me of that april 1st article, about how train drivers oppose to the time shift, because they have to work an extra unpaid hour 21:35:24 <Sacro> my stepmum had to work an extra hour last night 21:37:44 <glx> but it's compensated 6 month later 21:38:31 <Eddi|zuHause> unless you don't work the nightshift in 6 months, or you have one less hour to do the same work in that nightshift == more stress 21:38:50 <Nite_Owl> That always happened to me when I worked a midnight shift. I put in for the overtime when they went back and kept my mouth shut when they went ahead. 21:42:16 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: alberth * r17874 /trunk/src/vehicle_gui.cpp: -Codechange: vehicle details window uses pure nested widgets. 21:42:47 <CaptObvious> you know what would rock in OpenTTD? an auto-levelling trackbuilding tool. 21:42:58 <CaptObvious> so it carves out valleys to keep your track level 21:43:05 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has quit [] 21:44:12 <Alberth> many users prefer to follow the terrain 21:44:54 <Alberth> for you it may be easier to play at a level map to start with 21:44:59 <CaptObvious> that's why it would be a separate tool 21:45:14 <CaptObvious> I don't mind terraforming, I'd just prefer it to be a little easier 21:45:21 <PineappleBoy> what is the 'installer' 21:45:32 <PineappleBoy> like : 21:45:34 <PineappleBoy> "If you are not using the installer to install OpenTTD, (or are just curious) you need to copy certain files by hand. " 21:45:45 <glx> windows 21:45:57 <PineappleBoy> for the mac one 21:46:06 <Rubidium> for mac there's no installer 21:46:09 <PineappleBoy> oh 21:46:15 <PineappleBoy> so I need to .grf files? 21:46:45 <CaptObvious> I'm tempted to write a small app that pulls the latest .zip from the openttd site and the .grf files too and just does it for you 21:46:46 <Rubidium> yes, with installer too... only with the installer the installer can copy the files for you and without the installer you have to copy them yourself 21:46:46 * Alberth suggests to read the readme 21:46:48 <glx> on windows they are needed too, but the installer can copy them from the TTD CD 21:46:54 <PineappleBoy> kk 21:47:01 <PineappleBoy> does it come with the .zip 21:47:25 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:47:43 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: smatz * r17875 /trunk/src/music/ (allegro_m.h extmidi.h): -Change [FS#3272]: prefer extmidi over allegro midi and allegro over null driver 21:47:57 <Rubidium> no, those file are, as explained in the readme, not our files but from a third party (that hasn't given us permission to (re)distribute those needed files) 21:48:06 * frosch123 wonders what reemerge made X move from alt-f7 to alt-f8 :s 21:48:39 *** Aitor [~aitor@118.Red-213-97-221.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Aitor] 21:48:45 <SmatZ> frosch123: didn't happen to me :( 21:48:48 <CaptObvious> Rubidium - I take it attempts have been made to contact the owners of the copyright on them 21:48:52 *** Aitor [~aitor@118.Red-213-97-221.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #openttd 21:48:59 <SmatZ> just upgrade of xorg disabled Alt+Backspace by default... 21:49:05 <SmatZ> Ctrl+ 21:49:23 <Rubidium> CaptObvious: dozens, yet no-one knows exactly who is the copyright owner 21:49:31 *** Aitor [~aitor@118.Red-213-97-221.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [] 21:49:45 <CaptObvious> does the company that made TTD no longer exist? 21:50:04 <Rubidium> nope 21:50:23 <glx> it's part of infogrames now (if I followed correctly) 21:50:31 <Rubidium> or atari 21:50:41 <glx> infogrames bought atari ;) 21:50:56 <Rubidium> oh, it's become even messier 21:50:56 <Eddi|zuHause> basically, there are two candidates, candidate A says "we don't own it" and candidate B says "we can't be bothered to find out whether we own it" 21:51:08 <PineappleBoy> so do I need to find it on my own 21:51:21 <Eddi|zuHause> PineappleBoy: like i said, search for opengfx 21:51:25 <Rubidium> yes, or look at the (unfinished) OpenGFX 21:51:26 <PineappleBoy> ok 21:51:34 <glx> TTD files are easy to find too 21:51:43 <CaptObvious> am I allowed to link them in here? 21:51:45 <glx> no 21:51:47 <Eddi|zuHause> no 21:51:48 <CaptObvious> okay 21:51:53 <Rubidium> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=40162 <- OpenGFX 21:52:08 <CaptObvious> even though they're on orudge's site? 21:52:14 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 21:52:25 <glx> orudge's site is not related to openttd 21:52:55 <PineappleBoy> Thanks.. 21:53:14 <Eddi|zuHause> just because $they are doing illegal things, doesn't mean we should support that 21:53:51 <PineappleBoy> do I download the Latest Release? 21:53:55 <PineappleBoy> or look at it 21:54:01 <PineappleBoy> the link 21:54:05 <Rubidium> I know installing OpenTTD is a bitch because you've got to search for some stuff yourself, but there's hardly anything 'we' (the OpenTTD developers that can't draw/make proper sound effects) can solve 21:54:49 <PineappleBoy> oh 21:54:59 <Nite_Owl> A forum search you should do. DONOTREADME you should also read. 21:55:26 <Rubidium> Yoda you should impersonate 21:55:46 <CaptObvious> hmm! 21:55:47 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 21:56:49 <Nite_Owl> It does come in handy at times 21:56:49 <PineappleBoy> do I look here ? http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/opengfx/releases/ 21:57:01 *** MizardX [MizardX@h-28-236.A159.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: reboot] 21:57:50 <Eddi|zuHause> http://picasaweb.google.com/cschlaeger/JapanLinuxSymposium <- Linus likes Windows 7 ;) 21:58:04 <Nite_Owl> 0.1.1 - yes 21:58:35 <SmatZ> @seen yexo 21:58:35 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: yexo was last seen in #openttd 1 week, 0 days, 0 hours, 8 minutes, and 5 seconds ago: <Yexo> yes, thanks 21:58:59 <Eddi|zuHause> you missed it by 8 minutes and 5 seconds :( 21:59:44 <planetmaker> [22:46] <CaptObvious> I'm tempted to write a small app that pulls the latest .zip from the openttd site and the .grf files too and just does it for you <-- you should look for autostart, autottd, and autoupdate 22:00:20 <CaptObvious> planetmaker - it already exists? sweet. 22:02:02 *** MizardX [MizardX@h-28-236.A159.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 22:04:31 <PineappleBoy> do I get the OpenGFX @ http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/opengfx/releases/ ? 22:05:13 <Nite_Owl> 0.1.1 - yes 22:05:53 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:12:06 <Nite_Owl> feeding time - later all 22:12:10 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 22:12:48 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 22:13:27 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F77B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:20:00 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fed1d.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:34:36 <Eddi|zuHause> hey, i think i have found a way how i can build my station with one less balancer track! 22:37:07 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g227064209.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 22:37:22 <Eddi|zuHause> with the side effect of making two platforms slightly longer, without making the station itself (much) longer 22:38:55 <Eddi|zuHause> the station itself gets like 1cm longer, but the two platforms get like 8cm longer 22:44:09 <Terkhen> good night 22:44:11 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@24.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 22:44:45 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g227081223.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:44:45 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 22:48:25 <_ln> how many meters of railway do you have? 22:52:49 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:54:08 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 22:54:47 *** ptr_ [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 22:55:54 <ptr_> hm. 22:56:31 <ptr_> min_active_clients doesn't seem to be working 22:57:30 <ptr_> seems* 22:57:45 <ptr_> anyone know why? 22:58:23 <SmatZ> nope 22:58:48 <SmatZ> server is probably paused 22:58:52 <SmatZ> try "unpause" 22:59:03 <SmatZ> what version are you using? 22:59:05 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFB2F8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:59:20 <ptr_> I did 22:59:23 <ptr_> 0.7.2 22:59:26 <ptr_> 0.7.3* 22:59:33 <SmatZ> hmm 22:59:42 <ptr_> but I'm not running the server as dedicated 22:59:49 <SmatZ> trunk is better wrt autopausing 22:59:57 <SmatZ> I think those changes weren't backported to 0.7 23:00:04 *** PineappleBoy [~DarkTakua@cpe-98-155-155-21.hawaii.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Me had to go, bai bai!] 23:00:58 <ptr_> hm 23:01:20 <ptr_> it won't find the variable if I type "min_active_clients" in the console 23:01:33 <ptr_> but it will find "min_players", which is an alias for min_active_clients 23:03:21 <SmatZ> it works for me 23:03:27 <SmatZ> "set min_active_clients" 23:03:29 <SmatZ> works 23:04:43 <ptr_> not for me :/ 23:05:09 <SmatZ> what does it say? 23:05:09 <ptr_> Current value for 'min_active_clients' is: '1' 23:05:14 <SmatZ> and? 23:05:18 <ptr_> nothing 23:05:20 <SmatZ> how is that broken? 23:05:24 <ptr_> it won't work :) 23:05:31 <ptr_> it's still running when i disconnect 23:05:47 <ptr_> I've also tried changing the value to 2 23:07:35 <Eddi|zuHause> _ln: i'd guess about 20m, or so, probably more 23:07:48 <SmatZ> hmm yes 23:07:51 <SmatZ> it looks broken 23:08:11 <ptr_> :/ 23:08:12 <Eddi|zuHause> _ln: it's about 2,90m x 2,20m, and about 3 times round, so more like 30m, and i didn't use all tracks 23:08:21 <ptr_> I don't have to restart the server or something? 23:08:43 <SmatZ> ptr_: try opening a bugreport :) but I am not sure this will be fixed, maybe there won't be 0.7.4 anyway... 23:08:48 <SmatZ> it's fixed in trunk 23:09:04 <SmatZ> I don't really remember how it was supposed to work in 0.7 23:09:17 <Eddi|zuHause> _ln: the problematic parts are the "special" tracks, the limited amount of switches, and the limited amount of special-length balancer tracks 23:09:31 <ptr_> SmatZ: trunk? 0.7.0? 23:10:27 <SmatZ> ptr_: http://binaries.openttd.org/nightlies/trunk/ ;) 23:10:59 <ptr_> oh. 23:11:10 <Eddi|zuHause> _ln: maybe you can count the tracks over here: www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/Bildschirmphoto17.png 23:11:55 <Eddi|zuHause> the tracks are to scale, one standard straight is 177mm, one curve is 22.5? with a diameter of 880mm 23:12:14 <Eddi|zuHause> shorter tracks are 1/3 or 2/3 of a standard track 23:12:46 <Eddi|zuHause> so 118mm, 59mm or 15?, the narrower curve diameter is 760mm 23:12:53 <Eddi|zuHause> calculate the rest by yourself ;) 23:13:16 <glx> ptr_: dedicated server? 23:14:12 <Eddi|zuHause> a switch consists of one 1/1 straight, and a 2/3 (=15?) curve and 1/3 straight 23:14:41 <ptr_> glx: no. 23:15:06 <Eddi|zuHause> the crossings equal two 4/3 straight 23:15:13 <glx> IIRC this setting id for dedicated servers only 23:16:11 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d199-126-251-5.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Rhamphoryncus] 23:16:19 <ptr_> :/ 23:16:58 <Eddi|zuHause> _ln: the program is supposed to be able to count the tracks by itself, but since it's the demo, i don't have the real track library, so i had to simulate the pieces from flex tracks, so the statistics can't distinguish them 23:18:35 <ptr_> maybe I should try the dedicated server then. 23:19:42 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has joined #openttd 23:27:06 <ptr_> yeah, it seems to be working when I'm using the dedicated server.. 23:31:47 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Tsch?ss] 23:31:53 <glx> maybe we should disable this setting totally for non dedicated servers 23:33:24 <ptr_> or maybe it should just work :) 23:33:46 <_ln> Eddi|zuHause: cool 23:34:47 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B76517.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:36:33 *** Chillosophy [~fu@195-241-120-76.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [] 23:38:58 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db03f55.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: gn8] 23:41:05 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77593.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:43:49 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 23:43:56 <Eddi|zuHause> i know what i forgot 23:44:06 <Eddi|zuHause> changing the time of the forced disconnect 23:44:33 <Eddi|zuHause> whatever... i'm just going to have another one an hour from now 23:48:11 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:52:26 *** Muxy [~Benoit@smtp.bdelalande.net] has left #openttd [PACKET_CLIENT_QUIT] 23:55:52 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Quit: Quit]