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Log for #openttd on 27th October 2009:
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00:01:13  <nicfer1> I've reinstaled it and followed the instructions but the command seems to be not recognized
00:01:43  <PeterT> ok, skip that direciton, go to the next and see what happens :)
00:02:14  <nicfer1> I can't compile wget after that
00:02:21  <PeterT> OS?
00:02:25  <nicfer1> windows
00:02:34  <PeterT> windows...
00:02:52  <PeterT> windows what?
00:02:59  <nicfer1> xp
00:03:12  <PeterT> 32 or 64?
00:03:23  <nicfer1> 32 bit
00:03:38  <nicfer1> althrough my processor is an amd athlon x2
00:03:51  <PeterT> ok
00:04:01  <PeterT> I really don't know what to say...
00:04:19  <PeterT> did you get the versions mentioned on the wiki or newer versions?
00:05:41  <PeterT> I was actually just about to test MSYS on xp right now
00:05:47  <PeterT> on my brother's laptop
00:06:29  <nicfer1> I've installed mingw 5.1.6 since 5.1.4 tells me it's 'outdated'
00:06:55  <PeterT> there's your problem
00:07:00  <PeterT> don't do that ;-)
00:07:13  <PeterT> I'm going to try updating on my bro's computer
00:07:26  <nicfer1> even if it's 'outdated'?
00:07:32  <PeterT> yes
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00:07:44  <PeterT> besides, you going to be using MSYS, not MinGW
00:07:52  <PeterT> even though mingw is compiling
00:07:58  <PeterT> just trust me
00:08:39  <PeterT> the only thing that really matters is the svn version
00:10:55  <nicfer1> could I use tortoiseSVN instead of regular svn?
00:11:00  <glx> yes
00:11:21  <PeterT> by the way, nicfer1, I'm really glad your taking the time to compile yourself, it's much less annoying than when users on tt-forums.net yell (metaphorically) "binaries!!"
00:11:56  <glx> but it's better to also install svn CLI, else svn detection doesn't work IIRC
00:12:08  <nicfer1> I just wanted to compile cargo distribution
00:13:07  <nicfer1> installed 5.1.4 and still no gcc
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00:13:23  <glx> did you start msys ?
00:13:28  <nicfer1> yes
00:13:33  <PeterT> yes, he's entering gcc -v
00:13:40  <PeterT> I presume...
00:14:14  <PeterT> Hold on,
00:14:17  <PeterT> maybe...
00:14:28  <PeterT> did you mess up when directing msys to your mingw installation
00:14:39  <nicfer1> no
00:14:43  <PeterT> (I just thought of it because I am doing it now)
00:15:11  <nicfer1> I've input c:\mingw at that point
00:15:20  <PeterT> did it give errors?
00:15:24  <glx> your mistake :)
00:15:38  <glx> easy to fix
00:15:39  <nicfer1> not, only that there was not make.exe in mingw
00:16:15  <glx> exit from msys
00:16:17  <PeterT> yes "keep it that way" or something like that?
00:16:35  <nicfer1> yes
00:16:39  <glx> open <mysy_install>\etc\fstab
00:17:02  <glx> and replace all \ with / in it
00:17:45  <nicfer1> yay, it was the \ thing
00:17:53  <nicfer1> easy to confuse
00:18:48  <glx> Please answer the following in the form of c:/foo/bar. <-- but it's clearly explained ;)
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00:20:58  <PeterT> isn't "foobar" a person?
00:21:47  <glx> foo and bar are usual dev things
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00:26:17  <PeterT> oh
00:26:37  <PeterT> I'm testing MSYS with 5.1.6
00:26:43  <PeterT> (MinGW 516)
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00:49:47  <CaptObvious> is there documentation on the protocol that the openttd client uses to fetch server data like number of companies, players, current date etc?
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00:51:20  <FauxFaux> CaptObvious: http://git.brad-smith.co.uk/?p=openttd2irc.git;a=summary ? :)
00:51:51  <CaptObvious> that's not relavent
00:52:20  <FauxFaux> Ignoring the fact that it's a client that connects to the server to fetch data like companies, players, etc., you are correct.
00:52:23  * FauxFaux goes to bed.
00:52:29  <CaptObvious> that's true
00:52:30  <CaptObvious> thanks
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00:54:02  <CaptObvious> FauxFaux - is that your git repository?
00:55:40  <Eddi|zuHause> of course there's the canonical documentation!
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00:57:13  <Eddi|zuHause> it's called along the lines of "network.cpp" or something
00:57:23  <CaptObvious> to be honest
00:57:31  <CaptObvious> that project is pretty much what I was wanting to code
00:57:38  <CaptObvious> so I'm gonna compile it and see if it works :P
01:03:21  <CaptObvious> well I would
01:03:31  <CaptObvious> except I'm a linux noob and can't figure it out :P
01:05:18  <Eddi|zuHause> ooh, xkcd in geocities look ;)
01:05:25  <CaptObvious> yeah :)
01:05:33  <CaptObvious> Eddi|zuHause - how's your linux-fu?
01:06:02  <Eddi|zuHause> how's your meta-question-fu?
01:06:13  <CaptObvious> http://git.brad-smith.co.uk/?p=openttd2irc.git;a=tree
01:06:20  <CaptObvious> I have that on my linux box, extracted into a folder
01:06:24  <Eddi|zuHause> and what's a fu anyway?
01:06:39  <CaptObvious> how do I go about compiling it?
01:06:50  <CaptObvious> Eddi|zuHause - it's a meme.  like google-fu
01:07:07  <CaptObvious> originates from kung fu
01:08:28  <Eddi|zuHause> i'd start with the files "README" and "INSTALL"
01:08:50  <CaptObvious> readme is 0 bytes
01:08:57  <CaptObvious> install is the generic makefile one
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01:10:35  <Eddi|zuHause> then run bootstrap
01:11:08  <CaptObvious> aha
01:11:10  <Eddi|zuHause> # Run this to generate all the initial makefiles, etc.
01:11:38  <Eddi|zuHause> and beat up the guy for providing useless information
01:11:39  <Sacro> hmm?
01:12:28  <CaptObvious> every time I've got something as source in linux before it has already got the makefile etc
01:12:40  <KenjiE20> isn't README independant of make, I'd do another git pull
01:13:08  <KenjiE20> or is it, just blank in git?
01:13:17  <CaptObvious> it's just blank
01:13:22  <KenjiE20> ah
01:14:08  <KenjiE20> how lazy -_-
01:15:04  <KenjiE20> btw, you know Autopilot, will act as an IRC bridge without having to mod, right?
01:15:25  <KenjiE20> and do more besides
01:16:13  <CaptObvious> hmm?
01:16:22  <CaptObvious> never heard of Autopilot
01:17:17  <KenjiE20> http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/Autopilot
01:19:32  <CaptObvious> that looks perfect
01:19:34  <CaptObvious> thanks KenjiE20
01:19:43  <KenjiE20> heh, it's not, but it's close :P
01:20:13  <nicfer1> now I'm trying to patch the source code but I'm having issues
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01:22:35  <nicfer1> I right click on the ottd's sources folder then in the tortoisesvn submenu I click on 'Apply Patch', select the diff I'm looking for but both sides of the window appear in blank
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01:22:57  <KenjiE20|LT> likely a path issue
01:23:29  <KenjiE20|LT> check the diff with notepad, or similar, and find the relative paths it's using
01:25:23  <nicfer1> the relative paths tell that they want to go at './../src/whatever'
01:25:36  <nicfer1> in that style
01:26:08  <Eddi|zuHause> tortoisesvn is not able to handle all diff styles
01:26:17  <Eddi|zuHause> like git diffs
01:26:18  <KenjiE20|LT> sounds odd, but the diff should be in src then
01:26:28  <KenjiE20|LT> ^ also what eddi said
01:27:48  <PeterT> use msys
01:27:55  <PeterT> patch -p0 -i patchfile.diff
01:28:11  <Eddi|zuHause> or -p1 if applicable
01:28:15  <PeterT> (well, first, change to the directory)
01:28:16  <PeterT> yes
01:28:35  <nicfer1> where should be put the .diff file?
01:28:37  <PeterT> look at this topic to figure out which http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=21678
01:28:52  <PeterT> in the main directory where trunk is
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01:35:06  <nicfer1> look at this diff http://fickzoo.com/fonsinchen/patches/current/trunk-cargodist.diff
01:37:04  <CaptObvious> okay Eddi|zuHause
01:37:06  <CaptObvious> new one for you
01:37:32  <CaptObvious> trying to run autopilot, got the OTTD_CONFIG env variable set and it still gives me "couldn't open "openttd.cfg": no such file or directory"
01:37:50  <nicfer1> aha there I go
01:38:16  <PeterT> that's a -p1?
01:38:29  <nicfer1> I had to place the diff on the trunk directory with the -p1 switch
01:38:46  <PeterT> did you download trunk revision 17837, or the latest?
01:38:50  <PeterT> it won't work with the latest
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01:39:53  <nicfer1> I downloaded 17837
01:39:55  <WilliamC> Is there a place that can tell me how to run OTTD behind a router for multiplayer games?
01:43:19  <PeterT> ok, good nicfer1
01:45:08  <PeterT> is it working?
01:46:23  <PeterT> nicfer1, is it working?
01:46:32  <nicfer1> yup, it works
01:46:35  <PeterT> ok
01:46:36  <PeterT> night
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01:47:32  <CaptObvious> okay, got that problem sorted, now I have a new one
01:48:10  <CaptObvious> http://pastebin.org/48550
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01:54:06  <Eddi|zuHause> WilliamC: generally, you need to consult your router/firewall documentation on how to open ports
01:54:08  <Eddi|zuHause> @ports
01:54:08  <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication and UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advertise) communication (outbound)
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02:00:08  <Eddi|zuHause> CaptObvious: i can't help you with autopilot
02:00:13  <violetblood> good night
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02:13:08  <CaptObvious> @seen Brianetta
02:13:08  <DorpsGek> CaptObvious: Brianetta was last seen in #openttd 1 week, 0 days, 13 hours, 8 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: <Brianetta> He should pick us a UK sim
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08:28:10  <Pikka> lalala
08:31:10  <Forked> falalalala in the moorning
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08:54:08  <Pikka> there too
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09:56:40  <dihedral> CaptObvious, wrt autopilot
09:56:50  <dihedral> what os are you running it on?
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10:41:28  <schuay> on medium difficulty with breakdowns set to normal, the trains break down every 2 tiles or so, even when entering a depot every round.. what am i doing wrong?
10:41:58  <boekabart> very old, worn trains?
10:42:09  <dihedral> long long tracks not servicing enough?
10:42:14  <schuay> don't think so, it happens right at the beginning of the game
10:42:21  <dihedral> breakdowns set to reduced is touch enough actually
10:42:31  <dihedral> *tough
10:42:55  <boekabart> using a graphics  set? (custom trains)
10:43:13  <schuay> nope, everything at default :(
10:43:15  <boekabart> dihedral: though?
10:43:26  <dihedral> no tough
10:43:36  <boekabart> sorry, you're right
10:43:50  <dihedral> :-)
10:44:02  <dihedral> other than perfect, it's my favorite thing to be :-D
10:44:05  * dihedral coughs
10:44:21  <schuay> by the way, another simple question - what is 'servicing'? are trains serviced every time they enter the depot? or do they need specific orders to service?
10:49:33  <SmatZ> both
10:49:48  <SmatZ> they are serviced when they enter a depot
10:50:11  <SmatZ> and you can use service orders to force visit in certain depot
10:50:48  <schuay> alright thanks!
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10:59:06  <Yexo> actually you use a goto-depot order to force visiting a depot and a "service at depot"-order when you only want the vehicles to go to the depot when they need servicing
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11:04:28  <schuay> ah ok that makes sense - and is it better to use goto depot or service at depot?
11:04:55  <planetmaker> depends upon what you want :-)
11:06:31  <dihedral> a service :-P
11:09:17  <schuay> im not sure what i want.. i'm just glad i got signals figured out. sort of :)
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11:10:54  <Yexo> it depends on how long your vehicle takes to finish all orders, if that's very long you might want to force a service (goto depot), if it's a very short time you'd use "service at depot" so the vehicle doesn't go to the depot every time but only when needed
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11:13:44  <schuay> and "when they need servicing" is a fixed interval for every train?
11:16:02  <Yexo> you can change it in the vehicle details window
11:16:05  <Yexo> bottom-left
11:16:09  <schuay> ah right ok
11:16:19  <Yexo> it's either a percentage of the maximum reliability or a fixed number of days
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12:03:25  <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17884 /trunk/src/network/network_gui.cpp: -Codechange: remove (most) magic numbers from drawing the details of the network lobby and split detail drawing to its own function
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12:43:25  <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17885 /trunk/src/network/network_gui.cpp: -Codechange: make the network lobby window nested
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13:29:47  <Belugas> hello
13:30:21  <Goulp> Hello Canada !
13:33:11  <ltsampros> ?
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13:44:32  <Belugas> Hello France :D
13:44:46  <Belugas> shit.. almost a quarter lag...
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13:47:57  <Eddi|zuHause> it's the time shift
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14:10:29  <Belugas> i'm on a time warp!
14:10:58  <planetmaker> energy!
14:11:57  <dihedral> reminds me of that squirrel in ... what's it called? 'over the hedge'?
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14:17:48  <Eddi|zuHause> haven't seen that one
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14:18:30  <dihedral> i think it's a good one :-)
14:19:41  <Eddi|zuHause> dunno, sounded too much like a madagascar clone back then
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14:39:50  <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17886 /trunk/src/network/network_gui.cpp: -Codechange: make the 'start server' window nested
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15:31:22  <Belugas> toum te doum
15:31:24  <Belugas> pouet pouet
15:32:26  <Rubidium> is that like legless chicken or so?
15:37:24  <Belugas> it's a bicycle running in a crowd of pedestrians
15:37:30  <Belugas> POUET POUET
15:39:07  <Belugas> or, in my current situation, a programmer looking for an urgent data on a not so well defined spech bursting in his boss's office
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16:46:35  <joekeloekes> boe?
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16:47:58  <Belugas> toe?
16:48:19  <Belugas> bow?
16:48:22  <Belugas> bowl?
16:48:25  <Belugas> ball?
16:48:32  <Belugas> baum?
16:48:32  <joekeloekes> is there a way to ban ip ranges, it doesnt seem to like wildcards
16:49:00  <Rubidium> yes, use the CIDR notation
16:49:08  <Belugas> i've heard that it i using CIDR notation
16:49:14  <Belugas> mmm... too late
16:49:28  <MyCatVerbs> Now I'm thirsty.
16:50:03  <joekeloekes> hmm, heard the word, but dunno exactly how to. for banning the range 188.186.*.* would i have to ban something like 188.186.0/24.0/24 or so?
16:50:04  <Belugas> could be worse, you could by thirty
16:50:29  <Rubidium> 188.186.0.0/16
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16:50:51  <joekeloekes> hmm ok, im going to try that to get rid of a frussian gang :)
16:51:14  <Eddi|zuHause> a friesian gang?
16:51:36  <Eddi|zuHause> are they that bad?
16:51:44  <joekeloekes> hehe, not frisian, cant say anything bad about them one of the admins on our server is from there
16:51:57  <joekeloekes> russian, thats just around the corner from there
16:52:45  <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, the corner is called "Denmark" :p
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16:53:04  <joekeloekes> hehe
16:53:49  <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: nah, Poland borders with Russia, not Denmark
16:54:09  <Rubidium> Denmark borders with Canada :)
16:54:13  <LordAzamath> ESTONIA
16:54:15  <LordAzamath> :P
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16:54:26  <LordAzamath> borders with...
16:54:29  <LordAzamath> everything
16:54:34  <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: but once you shipped around denmark, you can go straight ahead to russia
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16:54:48  <joekeloekes> why would someone wanna do that?
16:55:00  <LordAzamath> yeah
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16:55:06  <LordAzamath> why not use the Kiel channel
16:55:14  <LordAzamath> why ship around
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16:57:39  <joekeloekes> ahh, there's yorick
16:57:55  <yorick> huh?
16:58:21  <joekeloekes> see
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16:59:01  <yorick> LordAzamath!
16:59:05  <yorick> joekeloekes: what's with me?
16:59:11  <joekeloekes> hehe
16:59:16  <joekeloekes> niks
16:59:17  <LordAzamath> omg
16:59:21  * LordAzamath hides
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17:39:39  <planetmaker> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=45663 <-- is it possible to re-define all colours of OTTD via a colour-changing newgrf?
17:39:55  <yorick> night transform set does it
17:43:06  <planetmaker> got a link? I don't find it on grfcrawler
17:43:35  <yorick> http://users2.tt-forums.net/ttdur/ttdur.htm
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17:45:01  <planetmaker> ty
17:45:28  <CIA-9> OpenTTD: translators * r17888 /trunk/src/lang/ (dutch.txt german.txt serbian.txt):
17:45:28  <CIA-9> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
17:45:28  <CIA-9> OpenTTD: dutch - 1 changes by habell
17:45:28  <CIA-9> OpenTTD: german - 1 changes by planetmaker
17:45:28  <CIA-9> OpenTTD: serbian - 1 changes by etran
17:48:11  <Belugas> damned i love that set...
17:48:14  <Belugas> i really do
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18:36:00  <nicfer1> would be possible to change the code in ottd to make night cycles dynamic rather than with a static grf?
18:36:34  <Alberth> if you change enough code, anything is possible
18:36:42  <Ammler> nicfer1: and how you make the cicle? 1sec day, 1sec night?
18:37:02  <frosch123> Ammler: it's called OTTDAtThePoles
18:37:30  <frosch123> :p
18:37:33  <Ammler> hehe
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18:40:38  <nicfer1> hmmm...
18:40:52  <nicfer1> 15 days sun, 15 days night
18:41:01  <nicfer1> that's, in-game days
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19:22:00  <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17889 /trunk/src/vehicle_gui.cpp: -Feature: double click on a item in the refit list refits without the need to click on the refit button
19:22:19  <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17890 /trunk/src/newgrf_gui.cpp: -Feature: double clicking on a NewGRF opens the parameters window
19:26:24  <planetmaker> \o/
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19:42:20  <Eddi|zuHause> funny ;)
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19:56:12  <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17891 /trunk/src/ (engine_gui.cpp lang/english.txt): -Feature [FS#1619]: Show maximum tractive effort in the 'exclusive test'/'early offer'/'engine preview' window
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20:07:07  <Eddi|zuHause> three windows in one!
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20:10:37  <CaptObvious> I like the feature updates in realtime
20:19:04  <kannerke> hi
20:19:17  <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17892 /trunk/src/autoreplace_gui.cpp: -Feature [FS#1760]: automatically select the railtype with the most engines for the autoreplace window/try to avoid showing an empty autoreplace list
20:19:18  <Rubidium> real time... it's lagging like... a lot
20:19:34  <kannerke> does someone know where to find the name of a station?
20:20:05  <frosch123> it's written in the sign above it
20:20:16  <kannerke> in the code
20:20:32  <kannerke> it's no part of the struct station?
20:20:38  <Rubidium> no
20:20:45  <Rubidium> something with GetString
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20:21:18  <frosch123> grep for SCC_STATION_NAME
20:21:19  <Rubidium> like SetDParam(0, st->index); GetString(buffer, STR_JUST_STATION, lastof(buffer); or so
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20:22:10  <glx> it's partly in the struct (but I don't remember how it's done for renamed stations)
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20:28:23  <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17893 /trunk/src/ (saveload/saveload.cpp settings_type.h table/settings.h): -Feature [FS#2633]: make it possible to disable background saving, only via the config file/in game console though
20:30:28  <rellig> can i increase the output of industry without using a cheat?
20:30:47  <Rubidium> yes
20:31:00  <rellig> how?
20:31:31  <Rubidium> you have the cheat menu opened?
20:31:49  <rellig> ... without using a cheat?
20:32:06  <rellig> its in a multiplayer game, anyway
20:32:20  <Rubidium> oh, then you can't
20:32:21  <Alberth> for non-primary industries, give it more materials that it needs
20:32:23  <frosch123> default industries?
20:32:33  <kannerke> getting the source, multiply the amount of generated cargo and compile ;o)
20:33:05  <Rubidium> kannerke: and whine to us that he or all his clients get kicked because they desync?
20:33:07  <rellig> should be easy if i know where i find this amount (my server is runing gentoo)
20:33:49  <kannerke> ah, for multiplayer, I overlooked that
20:34:10  <Rubidium> rellig: easy yes, wanted in a network game: no, primarily because people will get kicked because they haven't got the same modifications as you have
20:34:20  <rellig> its just some friends and me
20:34:29  <Belugas> your friends will desynch too
20:34:36  <rellig> and we want to start a new map now
20:34:39  <Alberth> rellig: all programs involved in a MP game must do exactly the same things all the times
20:35:14  <Alberth> ie your friends need the same modifed version them
20:35:18  <Alberth> then*
20:35:21  <frosch123> anyway, default primary industries increase are more likely to increase production than decrease when serviced with a rating >= 60%
20:35:22  <rellig> sure?
20:35:42  <frosch123> newgrfs may provide production boosting cargos and other stuff :p
20:35:45  <rellig> yeah, bit its still boring sometimes ...
20:37:02  <rellig> is it possible that the output amount was changed since 7.0?
20:37:20  <planetmaker> rellig, what time do you live in?
20:37:37  <rellig> what do you mean?
20:37:55  <planetmaker> what year do you write? ;-) "changed since 7.0?"
20:38:07  <CIA-9> OpenTTD: frosch * r17894 /trunk/src/ (aircraft_cmd.cpp roadveh_cmd.cpp ship_cmd.cpp train_cmd.cpp): -Fix: Invalidate cache of vehicle vars 40-43 after testruns of certain commands, that change them temporarily.
20:38:09  <planetmaker> I have stable 0.7.3
20:38:21  <Sacro> new reelase?
20:38:38  <planetmaker> or 0.7.2? dunno. Never play stable ;-)
20:38:55  <rellig> i have 7.3 i think
20:39:09  <rellig> but the last time i played ottd it was 7.0
20:39:09  <frosch123> planetmaker: it's october, so 0.x.3 time
20:39:50  <planetmaker> :-)
20:40:03  <planetmaker> rellig, I'm sure your statements are wrong
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20:40:28  <planetmaker> that's why I ask you about the year you write ;-)
20:41:05  <rellig> kk
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20:43:10  <Belugas> bye bye
20:43:16  <Rubidium> night Belugas
20:43:17  <Zuu> bye Belugas
20:46:38  <yorick> april 1th is usually 0.x+1.0 time :D
20:49:09  <Tefad> your engrish is frawress
20:50:55  <Sacro> "Players had to be either non-musicians, or if a musician, play an instrument that was entirely new to them."
20:50:59  <Sacro> my ears ><
20:51:00  <CIA-9> OpenTTD: alberth * r17895 /trunk/src/vehicle_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Move drawing code of the vehicle details window out of OnPaint, and remove hard-coded coordinate constants.
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21:45:11  <Terkhen> good night
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22:30:06  <Nite_Owl> Hello all
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22:33:56  <planetmaker> hello Nite_Owl
22:34:22  <Nite_Owl> Hello planetmaker
22:35:24  <Eddi|zuHause> "huhu"
22:35:53  <Nite_Owl> Hello Eddi|zuHause
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