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00:00:13 *** R0b0t1 [~Enigma@64-136-216-213.dyn.everestkc.net] has joined #openttd 00:00:37 <R0b0t1> Hey, sorry for the semi-stupid question... But I updated (supposedly) to the revision the openttd server is using, and then tried make in that folder 00:00:44 <R0b0t1> however, the binary in ./bin does not get updated 00:01:43 <Rubidium> probably something had opened the binary which made it fail to copy the new binary there 00:01:52 <Xaroth> make install ? 00:02:20 <Xaroth> or make clean before normal make 00:03:04 <Rubidium> manually copy the binary from objs/release to bin and see if that helps 00:03:35 <Rubidium> by the way, how did you update what kind of version? 00:03:53 <Rubidium> e.g. if you tried updating from 0.7.2 to 0.7.3 with some 'svn up' that's not going to work 00:11:42 *** thomas001 [~thomas@a147097.studnetz.uni-leipzig.de] has joined #openttd 00:12:44 <thomas001> hi,do i need to supply fertalizer to food plantations to make them produce any fruit? current production without fertalizer is 8 at a normal level... 00:14:24 <frosch123> you should at least mention the industry set you are using :p 00:17:48 <thomas001> oh ecs agricutlure vector...sorry 00:18:22 <frosch123> then it is likely a production booster, and you need to supply some to get reasonable output 00:18:35 <frosch123> never player it myself though 00:19:39 <thomas001> oh ok,thanks 00:20:23 *** zodttd [~me@user-0c90n1c.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #openttd 00:20:47 <frosch123> but transporting some fruit with a good rating might also help a bit 00:21:47 *** zodtttd [~me@user-0c90n1c.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #openttd 00:22:55 <thomas001> d'oh 00:23:08 <thomas001> food production seems to depend on the date ;) 00:23:12 <thomas001> *fruit 00:23:32 <thomas001> how annoying 00:24:24 <frosch123> ecs has lots of parameters, maybe you can change that 00:24:49 <thomas001> that whould be cheating ;) 00:26:23 *** thingwath [~thingwath@r2ap232.net.upc.cz] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 00:26:52 <planetmaker> parameters are not cheating. 00:27:20 *** zodttd2 [~me@user-0c90n1c.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Ping 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#openttd 08:39:57 *** Chrischuh [~Chrischuh@dyndsl-085-016-203-010.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [Quit: Chrischuh quits] 08:59:35 *** egladil [~egladil@c83-254-70-169.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 09:03:20 *** Goulp [~Goulp@nt2001.opsio.fr] has joined #openttd 09:49:58 *** bartaway is now known as bartavelle 09:50:27 <bartavelle> hello 09:55:16 *** Goulpy [~Goulp@nt2001.opsio.fr] has joined #openttd 09:55:16 *** Goulp [~Goulp@nt2001.opsio.fr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:57:06 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d199-126-251-5.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Rhamphoryncus] 10:11:34 *** Goulp [~Goulp@nt2001.opsio.fr] has joined #openttd 10:11:36 *** Goulpy [~Goulp@nt2001.opsio.fr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:12:04 <fjb> moin 10:17:53 <Eddi|zuHause> w???h 10:17:54 <Eddi|zuHause> > Error: Assertion failed at line 1130 of /home/johannes/spiele/OpenTTDx/cargodist/src/economy.cpp: v->load_unload_time_rem != 0 10:18:19 <petern> pfft, that's not trunk ;p 10:18:29 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, it's not... 10:18:46 <Rubidium> and even fonsinchen isn't in here 10:18:58 <Eddi|zuHause> how dare he! 10:20:41 <Eddi|zuHause> can i post-mortem-debug this crash somehow? 10:20:43 <fjb> Just remove that assertion. :-) 10:21:44 <Rubidium> not really as you need to know what caused that variable to be 0 at that time 10:22:20 <Rubidium> and the crash dump (if you have one; ulimit -c IIRC) only contains that the variable is 0 10:32:11 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 10:37:51 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:48:57 <petern> hmm, is there a c++ library for dealing with ini files? 10:49:28 <petern> heh, sdl_config 10:53:12 *** Johnmit [~John@93-97-107-116.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:54:54 <Rubidium> ini.cpp? :) 10:56:48 <petern> hehe 10:59:32 <Sacro> curse you makefile 10:59:36 <Sacro> why do you keep eating my lex file 10:59:55 <Sacro> flex -o acw.lex.c lex.c 11:00:02 <petern> Rubidium, it still contains ottd specific bits doesn't it? 11:00:04 <Sacro> works fine if i run it, eats my input if the Makefile runs it... 11:00:58 <Rubidium> petern: true, only minor bits 11:01:29 <planetmaker> Sacro: then check your rules in the makefile 11:01:58 <Sacro> planetmaker: it's a very basic makefile\ 11:02:11 <Sacro> acw: acw.y acw.lex bison -d acw.y flex -o acw.lex.c acw.lex gcc -o acw acw.lex.c acw.tab.c -lfl -lm 11:02:14 <Sacro> erm 11:02:17 <Sacro> hmm 11:03:12 <Sacro> http://pastebin.freeside.co.uk/16000 11:03:15 <Sacro> is my makefile 11:03:22 <Sacro> and \o/ for the number 11:03:51 <JVassie> lol 11:07:30 *** snubby [~snubby@snubby.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 11:12:00 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm45.epsilon84.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 11:12:47 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:20:53 *** JVassie [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:45:37 *** phalax 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But my guess would be to swap the two filename parameters. 11:59:27 *** snubby [~snubby@snubby.user.oftc.net] has left #openttd [] 12:00:01 *** The_Exile [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:00:23 <dihedral> planetmaker, there are a few untranslated german strings ;-) 12:00:34 *** The_Exile is now known as JVassie 12:00:36 <dihedral> eh i mean, yeah you know what i mean 12:01:05 <planetmaker> :-) You mean in the comic houses set? 12:01:26 <planetmaker> I guess 11 untranslated ones. 12:03:19 <dihedral> 5 left 12:03:27 <dihedral> i did the easy ones :-P 12:04:18 <planetmaker> Gimme the whole diff for all 11 :-) 12:04:22 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@77-100-69-200.cable.ubr30.newt.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:05:18 <planetmaker> Not sure that I care too much for translations so far - even though the translation system is the easiest I ever made for a grf ;-) 12:05:36 <planetmaker> too much changes still :-) 12:06:02 <dihedral> you want to tell me fund a town stings are from a grf? 12:06:50 <planetmaker> oh. OpenTTD strings :-) 12:07:07 <dihedral> what did you expect? 12:07:09 <dihedral> :-P 12:07:16 <petern> town stings? 12:07:19 <planetmaker> Comic houses translations, of course ;-) 12:07:25 <dihedral> pfft 12:07:35 <dihedral> i have not looked at any openttd stuff in a while 12:07:51 <dihedral> just popped in to the translator website 12:09:16 <dihedral> planetmaker, you have a link where i can swee what you are working on? 12:10:20 <planetmaker> changed the other "found town" strings. 12:10:55 <planetmaker> dihedral: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=45958 12:13:00 <dihedral> oh man that is nice 12:13:06 *** Goulp [~Goulp@nt2001.opsio.fr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:13:15 * dihedral feels like playing again :-P 12:14:39 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.16.195.97] has joined #openttd 12:15:30 <planetmaker> :-) 12:16:34 *** Goulp [~Goulp@nt2001.opsio.fr] has joined #openttd 12:17:40 <dihedral> now "all" you need to do is trees, ground sprites, trains, cars, ships, rails, airports, bus stops, docs, industries, water, stations, .... 12:18:16 <dihedral> but perhaps you can find a way to simply 'convert' the existing spirtes :-P 12:18:21 <petern> planetmaker, 1st or 3rd 12:18:43 <petern> prefer 3rd 12:19:17 <dihedral> i prefer second :-P 12:21:06 <petern> nobody asked you 12:21:16 <planetmaker> he... Opinions are as diverse as there are people, I guess. Though dihedral is the first to say "2nd", I think :-) 12:21:48 <dihedral> petern, who cares? 12:22:13 <petern> nobody cares 12:24:38 <planetmaker> dihedral: I hope to get the whole comic set sprites. So... I'm not sure what to expect, though 12:27:48 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:31:38 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [] 12:39:03 *** JVassie [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:45:56 <petern> hmm, found a headerfile implementation 12:46:04 <petern> it's... 120KB... ouch 12:47:04 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DDF55.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:50:20 *** The_Exile [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:50:44 *** The_Exile is now known as JVassie 12:54:49 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:57:47 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8de5c.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 12:59:40 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:433:6fba:6a6:6397] has joined #openttd 12:59:43 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:01:23 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@89.246.206.177] has joined #openttd 13:01:42 *** thomas001 [~thomas@a147097.studnetz.uni-leipzig.de] has joined #openttd 13:02:30 <thomas001> hi what do you think about a design like http://img1.abload.de/img/ottd2u1lw.png to manage traffic of the station, which comes from many different directions? 13:06:16 <Eddi|zuHause> ask again when you increased the number of trains tenfold 13:07:31 <thomas001> = your design sucks,but you will see that yourself as traffic increases? 13:08:15 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think roundabouts work well 13:08:56 <thomas001> why? 13:09:36 <Eddi|zuHause> too much blocking potential when switching lanes, and complete gridlock potential with a lot of trains 13:10:17 <Eddi|zuHause> you mix incoming and outgoing traffic from the station, try to keep them separated 13:11:40 <thomas001> hmm ok,i thought its a nice way to avoid building big junctions 13:12:48 <Eddi|zuHause> lots of traffic planners fell into that trap :p 13:14:33 <thomas001> we have some really nice street roundabouts here ;) 13:17:22 <Eddi|zuHause> i loathe and despise roundabouts 13:18:01 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@89.246.206.177] has joined #openttd 13:23:43 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@89.246.206.177] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:27:07 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 13:27:13 * Rubidium wonders when people start making roundabouts like in http://maps.google.nl/?ie=UTF8&t=k&ll=51.893287,4.186215&spn=0.00115,0.003095&z=19 13:28:34 <thomas001> Rubidium, thats a spiral? ;) 13:28:36 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 13:29:17 <Rubidium> kindof yes 13:31:36 <thomas001> mi favourite is http://www.fotofliegen.de/stadtteil-Dateien/riebeck.jpg . it always fun to drive there ;) 13:32:34 <Rubidium> that one got traffic lights... then they're no fun anymore 13:34:33 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, it was way more fun 10 years ago ; 13:34:36 <Eddi|zuHause> ;) 13:35:41 <Eddi|zuHause> they're even done with the construction work by now... it's really boring 13:40:53 <petern> that's pretty odd 13:41:08 <thomas001> i like the arrows on the highway above it,telling the cars they are going in the right direction ;) 13:41:51 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't know how often i have gone over those bridges, i never noticed those "arrows" :p 13:42:07 <thomas001> next time you will ;) 13:42:21 <thomas001> or the picture is outdated 13:44:45 <Eddi|zuHause> must be > 1 year old, because they're rebuilding the bus station on the top right of the picture 13:46:26 <thomas001> so Eddi|zuHause how does this roundabout handle high traffic? :D 13:47:32 <Eddi|zuHause> i believe it once was one of the highest traffic locations in europe ;) 13:47:51 <Eddi|zuHause> but you had on average like 3 accidents per day... 13:48:13 <Eddi|zuHause> and now they put up traffic lights 13:48:14 *** Chrill [~chrischri@80.216.60.117] has joined #openttd 13:48:29 <thomas001> the street planner must have gone mad,nobody understands his pretty roundabout ;) 13:48:37 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:49:15 <Eddi|zuHause> lots of street planners have gone mad on this junction over time :p 13:49:36 <Eddi|zuHause> like 50 years ago, this was a 12-way-roundabout :p 13:49:57 <Eddi|zuHause> they reduced that to 5 by building those bridges ;) 13:51:00 <thomas001> it whould be nice if you could build this in openttd ;) 13:51:34 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db1a976.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 13:55:07 <petern> GAH 13:55:14 <petern> this bloody library deals in char * :s 13:56:07 <Rubidium> what did you expect? java.lang.String? 13:57:28 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has joined #openttd 13:57:32 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@89.246.206.177] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:57:44 <thomas001> wchar_t* ;) 14:00:45 <Eddi|zuHause> i really don't know why pascal-strings are not more common... (i.e. length-prefixed instead of 0-terminated) 14:02:19 <thomas001> c++ strings can be viewed like that 14:09:22 <petern> it's a c++ library 14:09:25 <petern> i'd expect std::string 14:09:38 <Sacro> dihedral: is maven easy? 14:09:54 <SpComb> doesn't every C++ framework have it's own string type that's better than std::string? 14:10:55 <petern> apparently 14:11:33 <thomas001> SpComb, better is more like "better" ;) 14:15:13 <petern> qt has QString, heh 14:15:25 <petern> but i hate qt anyway, so that's no problem 14:15:40 <TinoDidriksen> ICU has UnicodeString 14:19:09 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FE9E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:20:26 <Belugas> good morning 14:25:10 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:25:45 <thomas001> TinoDidriksen, i don't like UTF-16 strings as internal representation 14:26:13 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [] 14:28:43 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:29:05 <TinoDidriksen> I don't care what the internal representation is, so long as it works and can output in any encoding I want...which ICU can. 14:36:03 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 14:36:56 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has joined #openttd 14:37:13 <thomas001> TinoDidriksen, you need to take care of surrogates in utf-16,which is annoying 14:37:23 <TinoDidriksen> ICU does that for me. 14:38:09 <TinoDidriksen> You need to take care of combining marks in any encoding anyway...even UTF-32 glyphs can span multiple elements. 14:38:45 <dihedral> <Sacro> dihedral: is maven easy? <- define easy?? 14:38:47 <TinoDidriksen> No Unicode format is safe to access as single elements. 14:39:14 <dihedral> maven is not small, and it can get quite complex 14:39:20 <dihedral> but a simple setup is easy yes 14:41:58 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:42:52 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@89.246.206.177] has joined #openttd 14:43:59 *** Goulp [~Goulp@nt2001.opsio.fr] has quit [Quit: PACKET_SERVER_SHUTDOWN] 14:50:34 *** ezra [~ezrac@65.90.33.15] has joined #openttd 14:55:59 *** kimby [~chatzilla@121.94-136-217.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #openttd 14:56:43 *** Mark [~Mark@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 14:57:25 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db1a976.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: bis dann] 14:59:58 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@71.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 15:00:01 <Terkhen> hello 15:02:31 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f4c9c.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 15:03:44 <ezra> what is the dev channel? 15:04:28 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B0102.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:05:42 *** kimby [~chatzilla@121.94-136-217.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.5/20091102152451]] 15:05:55 <dihedral> ezra, i do not think you want to go there :-P 15:06:09 <dihedral> because if you did, you would not remain in there for very long 15:06:15 <dihedral> at least i would not expect you to 15:06:41 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B044C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:06:44 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 15:07:41 <ezra> dihedral: why, is it full of bots talking to each other? 15:08:06 <dihedral> no, you will most likely just be kicked if you entered 15:08:28 <ezra> do they not want new developers to get involved? 15:08:30 <dihedral> besides, this is the official #openttd channel, this is where you can meet the devs ;-) 15:08:32 <frosch123> let's say, this is the dev channel 15:09:00 <dihedral> ezra, i think it's up to them to decide who they consider an addition to the development team ;-) 15:09:04 <dihedral> frosch123, nice one :-P 15:09:22 <ezra> seems a little inhospitable 15:10:12 <dihedral> well... not everybody can simply come and say they want to be on the dev team and expect to be acceppted with open arms 15:10:21 <dihedral> it takes a bit more than that 15:10:40 <dihedral> does not mean you cannot fix bugs and hand in your patches 15:11:22 <ezra> i thought I'd start by lurking and seeing what kinds of issues were being discussed 15:11:26 <ezra> maybe learn something about the codebase 15:11:33 <dihedral> good start 15:12:13 <dihedral> another good place to 'lurk' is tt-forums.net (the openttd section esp.) wiki.openttd.org and bugs.openttd.org 15:12:37 <ezra> k 15:18:55 <planetmaker> and everywhere the same people lurk :-P 15:20:05 *** dxtr [dexter@dxtr.cc] has quit [Quit: I'm outta here] 15:20:17 <dihedral> odd :-P 15:21:00 <dihedral> but i must say it's cute to see someone enter the channel (for the first time) and straight away request to talk to the devs because one wants to join the team :-P 15:21:15 <dihedral> and only after that mention one could learn about the codebase 15:21:30 <dihedral> well, at least he/she/it knew the word 'codebase' :-D 15:21:37 <dihedral> way better than past experiences :-D 15:22:41 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.16.195.97] has quit [Quit: BRB] 15:23:23 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.16.195.97] has joined #openttd 15:37:20 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has quit [Quit: Ping timeout: 540 seconds] 15:40:31 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 15:50:16 <Belugas> ezra, you'll find more usefull infos in forums indeed ;) this room can be usefull sometimes, but not as much as forums 15:52:30 <ezra> Belugas: OK; I'll check out the forums then... another day. 15:52:53 * Forked < forum 15:53:50 <fjb> Forked is smaller than the forum? 15:54:01 <Forked> lesser than 15:54:02 <Belugas> [10:09] <ezra> seems a little inhospitable <--- would you expect anybody, perfect strangers to come in your home, just lurking in and there ? 15:54:05 <Belugas> heheh 15:54:43 <Rubidium> fjb: no, you have to dereference Forked first before you can do the comparison 15:55:44 <fjb> Rubidium: Thank you, I missed the *. But what is a dereferenced Forked like? 15:55:55 * Forked is not sure he likes where this is heading.. 15:56:33 * Rubidium has no clue 15:56:35 <fjb> Now we know whta a referenced Forked is like. 15:56:46 <Forked> a smeghead? :) 15:58:00 <ezra> Belugas: on lots of channels, you can just join in. have you had lots of problems with trolls around here? 15:58:23 * Forked lurks 15:58:57 <Belugas> hint: on 115 people, only a handfull ones are really active 15:58:59 <Rubidium> ezra: basically yes, and 'stupid' conversations when trying to discuss something complex 15:59:11 <Belugas> that too :) 15:59:17 <petern> bah 15:59:23 <Forked> thats because people irc .. and people are idiots.. therefor most discussions on irc are stupid 15:59:28 <Belugas> like "hey, check that youtube" 15:59:42 <petern> "The collation (sorting) order used for sections and keys returned from iterators is NOT DEFINED. If collation order of the text is important then it should be done yourself by either supplying a replacement SI_STRLESS class" 15:59:56 <petern> by "NOT DEFINED" it means "alphabetical" 16:00:09 <petern> of course, i want it in the order specified in the config 16:00:18 <petern> maybe i should switch to this other ini lib... 16:01:21 <ezra> I've been really impressed by the #haskell channel on freenode. They have 600+ people there all the time, and the discussion is really relevant and productive 16:02:00 <ezra> they get trolls, but they almost deter them with love: they very energetically ask the troll questions until s/he gets frustrated 16:02:06 <ezra> almost like trolling the troll! 16:02:45 <petern> games bring out a different class of internet annoyance 16:02:57 <ezra> yeah, I suppose so 16:02:57 <Rubidium> #haskell has the benefit that most people there are coders in some sense 16:03:14 <Rubidium> #openttd is not that 'coder' centric 16:04:39 <fjb> But #openttd is also very helpfull in coding things like refreshing your C skills. 16:08:54 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 16:12:20 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:15:24 <Belugas> that's for your container, petern? 16:17:01 * Belugas jsut had a "very nice" and "very productive" teaching session with a teenage underpaid american girl clerk trying to find out how to do a refund in our system 16:17:12 <Belugas> i just wanted to kick her big time 16:17:18 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18285 /trunk/src/ (6 files in 3 dirs): -Feature: show the expected arrival/departure dates in the timetable window. Based on work by PhilSophus. 16:17:40 <Belugas> learning curve is not steep, but you DO have to know how to learn, just a tiny little bit 16:18:09 <Forked> next time kick her, see how that goes :) 16:18:49 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 16:20:38 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:20:54 <Xaroth> Belugas: http://www.xkcd.com/627/ 16:21:19 <Xaroth> last time somebody was being thick I printed that out and stapled it to his cublicle 16:21:23 <Xaroth> cubicle, even 16:22:50 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-168-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 16:24:08 <Belugas> Xaroth, is it work safe? 16:24:14 <Belugas> really work safe? 16:24:14 <Xaroth> yes 16:24:45 <Xaroth> it's a xkcd ep, nice flow-chart for those not pc-savvy 16:24:53 <fjb> Teenage girl says it all. 16:25:52 <Belugas> lol 16:25:57 <Belugas> printed, Xaroth :D 16:26:37 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: frosch * r18286 /trunk/src/rail_gui.cpp: -Fix (r18280): Number of platforms and platform length start with 1. 16:58:21 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9A2F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:00:13 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@25.76.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 17:01:14 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d199-126-251-5.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 17:06:47 *** Grelouk_ [~Grelouk@25.76.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 17:12:38 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@25.76.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:14:27 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 17:23:47 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 17:24:30 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@2001:888:10:ce8::2] has joined #openttd 17:24:33 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:24:50 <Belugas> i almost forgot it was time for lunch box massacre 17:31:59 *** guru3 [~guru3@2002:4e69:a155::1] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:32:06 *** guru3 [~guru3@2002:4e69:a155::1] has joined #openttd 17:33:37 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has joined #openttd 17:36:08 *** bartavelle is now known as bartaway 17:39:19 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Quit: ecke] 17:41:43 <fjb> Poor lunch box. 17:45:18 *** egladil [~egladil@c83-254-70-169.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:48:58 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18287 /trunk/src/network/network_content_gui.cpp: -Fix (r17841): a not properly updated list caused reading just freed memory which caused buttons to not work as they should 17:59:48 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:03:13 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 18:05:34 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 18:10:12 <Xaroth> Belugas: I aim to please :) 18:17:44 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 18:19:49 <Belugas> i aim and shoot 18:20:01 <Belugas> i like taking photos ;) 18:20:02 <Belugas> hehe 18:22:31 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@77-100-69-200.cable.ubr30.newt.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:35:50 <Xaroth> :) 18:36:26 <fjb> Poor photos get shot. 18:39:31 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i'm just scratching my head at r18285... wondering whether there's more to expect in that direction... 18:39:56 <SmatZ> what "more" would you expect? 18:40:07 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 18:40:17 <Eddi|zuHause> like... more bits of the timetable management patch? 18:40:32 <SmatZ> thanks for answer :) 18:41:54 <Eddi|zuHause> synchronising the start times, spreading shared vehicles evenly, ... 18:42:35 <SmatZ> well, I don't know if there are further parts going to be included 18:43:22 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has joined #openttd 18:43:22 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:43:23 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:45:13 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:45:56 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: translators * r18288 /trunk/src/lang/ (13 files): (log message trimmed) 18:45:56 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:56 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: catalan - 3 changes by arnau 18:45:56 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: czech - 7 changes by SmatZ 18:45:56 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: dutch - 11 changes by habell 18:45:57 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: finnish - 19 changes by jpx_ 18:45:57 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: french - 9 changes by glx 18:46:08 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B044C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Icebears are cute. 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20:33:07 <Lakie> Shouldn't it be 09? 20:33:26 <Lakie> I thought Action7 was only done on load, and action9 more often, don't remember off hand though 20:34:29 <Lakie> Ah, wrong way round. 20:35:00 *** Chillosophy [~fu@195-241-120-76.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 20:35:13 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.179.81] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:43:15 <frosch123> http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=GrfLoadingStages <- yes, it has to be action 09 20:43:39 <frosch123> with 07 it is too late 20:46:11 *** Timbo [~tma@82-41-33-237.cable.ubr05.sgyl.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:46:39 <Timbo> is there any where i can get hold of a prebuilt openttd exe (win32) that uses SDL? 20:47:27 <Rubidium> that's unlikely, why do you want to have a SDL build? 20:48:03 <Timbo> to test a bug in SDL i unwittingly introduced 20:49:49 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9A2F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:49:52 <Rubidium> maybe, oh so maybe, glx can quickly make a binary 20:50:33 <Rubidium> although I'm not quite sure whether it'll be statically linked or dynamically 20:50:51 <Timbo> i'd need it to be dynamic 20:50:53 <Timbo> tia 20:51:32 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@77-100-69-200.cable.ubr30.newt.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:51:33 <George> frosch123: Lakie: Thank you 20:57:46 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@77-100-69-200.cable.ubr30.newt.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.5/20091102152451]] 21:01:47 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 21:06:53 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:07:08 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:09:20 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@77-100-69-200.cable.ubr30.newt.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:15:02 *** Bubba_D [~Bubba_D@pool-98-111-7-112.sctnpa.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 21:16:02 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has joined #openttd 21:18:12 <Bubba_D> anyone able to help a computer-challenged individual with the openTTD, more specifically with being able to use and transport ECS 21:19:32 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-138-164.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 21:20:20 *** Johnmit` [~John@93-97-107-116.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:20:32 *** Johnmit` [~John@93-97-107-116.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [] 21:22:00 <Bubba_D> hello?? anyone awake?? 21:22:14 <Rubidium> yes 21:22:19 <KenjiE20> zzzzz 21:22:43 <Rubidium> ... but ... I don't know use ECS 21:23:28 <Rubidium> so no real reason for me to react, beside telling you that I won't be telling you the answer which isn't the answer you're looking for so it's totally useless 21:23:46 <Rubidium> maybe George knows enough of ECS to help you though 21:23:49 *** Brianetta is now known as Brianetta-laptop 21:23:51 <Bubba_D> hmmm... ok ty, lol 21:24:07 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:25:23 *** Johnmit [~John@93-97-107-116.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:26:13 *** Grelouk_ [~Grelouk@25.76.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:26:31 <KenjiE20> quickest way to use ECS, would be to find the old wagons new cargos grf on the ingame content 21:27:36 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@77-100-69-200.cable.ubr30.newt.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:27:38 <Bubba_D> ok, should i place that above the ecs to make it work or after them? 21:27:47 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-168-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:29:44 <KenjiE20> doubt it matters, these days, but beneath is the safe way iirc 21:30:32 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:31:00 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18289 /trunk/src/toolbar_gui.cpp: -Codechange: if using RTL draw the toolbar in the reverse direction so the buttons overlap 'nicely' 21:32:33 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@77-100-69-200.cable.ubr30.newt.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:32:38 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@77-100-69-200.cable.ubr30.newt.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:32:53 <Bubba_D> ty kenji, your assistance is appreciated 21:33:16 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@77-100-69-200.cable.ubr30.newt.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:33:37 *** Cutter [Cutter@sev93-1-82-227-246-168.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 21:33:54 <KenjiE20> there's an example ECS map/flow diagram floating around on the openttdcoop wiki too, if you need it 21:35:05 *** Brianetta-laptop [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Tsch?ss] 21:35:11 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 21:39:26 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:40:54 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:45:51 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:46:12 <Prof_Frink> Nite_Owl! 21:46:15 <Cutter> what is the default font for the english language? 21:46:23 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 21:46:30 <Cutter> the default french font is usually unreadable 21:48:39 <Nite_Owl> Hello Prof_Frink 21:49:33 <Rubidium> the default font for english is the TTD font 21:49:48 <Rubidium> the default font for french is whatever your 'OS' tells us is the best 21:50:20 <Cutter> Rubidium: the TTD font has no support for accents? 21:51:07 <Rubidium> not for the crazy mu that's on your keyboard (OSK) 21:51:34 <Cutter> I beg your pardon? 21:51:56 <Rubidium> u <- mu 21:52:05 <Cutter> is that all? 21:52:13 <Rubidium> yes 21:52:28 *** Sapakara [~chatzilla@84-245-33-124.dsl.cambrium.nl] has joined #openttd 21:52:44 <Cutter> what's the name of the TTD font for the config file? 21:52:58 <Rubidium> there isn't any 21:53:18 <Rubidium> might be OGFX has the u 21:53:53 <Rubidium> haven't seen anyone interested enough to actually make (few) the missing characters for the other latin-ish languages 21:54:19 <Cutter> I can't set the font to TTD with french language? 21:56:03 <Rubidium> yes (you can't) unless you remove the mu from the langfile 21:59:22 *** Bubba_D [~Bubba_D@pool-98-111-7-112.sctnpa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 22:03:58 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 22:08:47 <Cutter> couldn't the game use TTD and replace missing characters with the system font? 22:09:07 *** Mark [~Mark@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:11:21 <Cutter> by the way, how should I edit lng files? 22:11:49 <Cutter> I get corrupted text using notepad, wordpad and openoffice 22:12:41 <Cutter> even when I manually specify "UTF-8 encoding" 22:13:13 <thingwath> most likely something that can handle unix newlines :) 22:14:35 <planetmaker> Those files are compiled and not edited 22:16:57 * Belugas retreats to some cousy environnement 22:16:58 <Belugas> called 22:17:00 <Belugas> home 22:17:03 <Belugas> night all 22:17:32 <Nite_Owl> later Belugas 22:18:42 *** tiaz_ [~matthias@catalyst.operationcitadel.net] has joined #openttd 22:20:41 *** tiaz [~matthias@catalyst.operationcitadel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:23:27 <planetmaker> night Belugas 22:24:39 <Cutter> I have to recompile to remove this char in my lng file ? 22:26:27 <glx> just change font size in the config 22:26:35 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 22:34:37 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has quit [] 22:38:13 <Cutter> it looks bad 22:38:15 <Cutter> http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/118/nonnomm1erjan1950.jpg 22:41:14 *** Chillosophy [~fu@195-241-120-76.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [] 22:41:51 <frosch123> Cutter: http://devs.openttd.org/~frosch/french.lng <- for 0.7.3 without "u" 22:45:58 <Cutter> frosch123: thanks 22:48:06 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@77-100-69-200.cable.ubr30.newt.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:55:11 <glx> try nighlies, windows handle font size in a better way 22:58:41 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18290 /trunk/src/timetable_cmd.cpp: -Codechange: be more strict about what vehicles may use timetables 23:05:16 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.141.80.plusnet.thn-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 23:09:40 *** tdev [~tdev@p508EA473.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:12:28 *** XSlicer [~XSlicer@dhcp-095-096-066-172.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:13:18 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.141.80.plusnet.thn-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:18:46 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9A2F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:20:37 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@89.246.206.177] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:23:27 <Terkhen> good night 23:23:29 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@71.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 23:23:29 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@89.246.206.177] has joined #openttd 23:28:17 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18291 /trunk/src/ (date.cpp date_type.h): -Codechange: rework the calculation of the 'days till year' macro a bit so it can be properly reused and add a MAX_DAY 23:33:23 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DDF55.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Die Nützlichkeit der Götter war schon immer eine zweifelhafte Sache. Man wusste nie so genau, wie man sie wirksam einsetzen konnte, ohne dass sie gleich b] 23:37:27 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18292 /trunk/src/ (7 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: add a command to set the start date of a timetable. Based on work by PhilSophus. 23:39:11 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18293 /trunk/ (7 files in 4 dirs): -Codechange: add a window to set the date. 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