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00:01:03 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18506 /trunk/src/ (5 files in 3 dirs): -Fix [FS#3368]: no error message was created for the first fatal NewGRF error. 00:02:25 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@188.126.203.230] has joined #openttd 00:07:33 <Eddi|zuHause> he was a victim of the climate change 00:08:04 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dbabe94.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:08:19 <PeterT> Aren't we all? 00:08:48 <Eddi|zuHause> he in particular, which is why the climate summit was moved to denmark 00:14:53 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@214.65.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:16:16 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:18:15 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has joined #openttd 00:18:18 <t> Eddi|zuHause: you know about climategate? 00:19:12 <t> if not, google it and read! even those mails and files, they are interesting read... 00:19:12 <Rubidium> t: there's lies, damn lies and statistics. That's all you need to know 00:20:25 <planetmaker> and the owners of climategate... 00:21:48 <t> Rubidium: yes, nice quote, especially if those statistics are fixed to hide the decline :) 00:22:06 <t> (google 'hide the decline' ) 00:22:27 <Rubidium> but is there a decline? 00:22:48 <Rubidium> that's the whole thing about my quote. It's statistics, thus you don't know 00:22:56 <t> well, every morning there is global worming... followed by global cooling in the night 00:23:10 <t> i see global warming mostly working in gay clubs 00:23:27 <Rubidium> yes, and I'm vegetarian while not eating meat 00:23:39 <planetmaker> T: especially "global"... when it comes to day and night cycles... 00:23:53 <t> planetmaker: ok, so take winter and summer :) 00:24:18 <t> (thats the level of lies blood and gore are pushing) 00:24:58 <fjb> Exxon et al spent million for people who denied the global warming against all facts. Now some conspiracy theorists are doing it for free. 00:25:10 <t> you are in the night denial crowd! 00:25:11 <planetmaker> T: even then... summer and winter isn't global either. FAIL! 00:25:20 <t> planetmaker: tell that to all gore :) 00:25:35 <t> he is comparing summer to winter :) 00:25:36 <planetmaker> obviously I've to tell you 00:25:57 <t> ice is growing, polar bears are breeding well... 00:26:04 <planetmaker> do they? 00:26:09 *** edeca [~david@lenny.lionserver.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:26:19 <t> planetmaker: check yourself :) 00:26:24 <planetmaker> and THEY are watching you. 00:26:26 <Rubidium> t: still, what's the method of showing the decline? Statistics. Statistics are by definition lies. As such both parties are lieing. Conclusion (by deduction)... there's no decline and no global warming 00:26:32 <planetmaker> T: I did 00:26:50 <t> planetmaker: in summer? :) 00:26:56 <planetmaker> yes 00:27:06 <fjb> Still they do. Still there is ice left. But it's less each year. Some glaciers are still growing, but most are rapidly shrinking. 00:27:16 <t> Rubidium: well, but then why co2 taxes to fund global government? 00:27:40 <t> fjb: just look how ice is growin in last years 00:28:07 <Eddi|zuHause> of course it's not getting warmer during a cyclical decline, the worries are about the next cyclical warming when it's not getting colder during the decline phase due to man-made warming 00:28:08 <fjb> Lokk how is shrinking. I have seen it in the alps. 00:28:09 <Rubidium> t: yes, and that growing ice is not good for my power consumption :( 00:28:11 <planetmaker> T: then show me that satilite image sequence over the last two decades which show ice on average growing! 00:28:38 <planetmaker> (images taken at the same day of the year, mind it) 00:28:55 <Rubidium> ooh, time to get out the julian calendar 00:29:13 <planetmaker> he :-) better take the modified julian calender 00:29:18 <planetmaker> easier comparison 00:29:21 *** fjb is now known as Guest1749 00:29:23 *** fjb [~frank@p5485F959.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:29:27 *** Guest1746 [~david@lenny.lionserver.co.uk] has joined #openttd 00:29:32 <fjb> We already had some cases of Malaria in Souther Germany. 00:29:32 <t> Eddi|zuHause: man-made warming? :) lol i love that phrase :) 00:29:56 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, you giggle at the hidden gay reference... what are you? 12? 00:30:31 * Sacro sniggers 00:30:37 <t> Eddi|zuHause: why do you attack me? 00:30:41 <planetmaker> :-P 00:31:02 <Eddi|zuHause> because reason obviously doeasn't work 00:31:26 <fjb> It is easy to belive that mankind could not change what god made. But thinking about what really happens is more difficuld. That is why people ofter prefer beliving over thinking. 00:31:40 <t> Eddi|zuHause: well :) tell me about that. i was studying computer science... that includes logic and higher math... 00:31:44 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: I reccomend http://www.amazon.de/Fundamentalisten-diskutiert-verlieren-Anleitung-subversiven/dp/3406511244 00:31:52 <Rubidium> fjb: on that point... it's God's will 00:32:02 <Rubidium> or whatever the phrase is in English 00:32:30 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't understand these "god made it" people 00:32:32 <Rubidium> t: but how can you prove a decline if the data has been destroyed? 00:32:36 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77CFB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:32:53 <Rubidium> ^ that's what happens if you don't have faith in God :) 00:32:57 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B6F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:32:58 <Eddi|zuHause> global warming is clearly described in the bible 00:33:24 <Rubidium> yes... quickly... how many sheep do we have to put on that Ark 00:33:37 <t> Rubidium: i am talking about last few years (decline)... 00:33:53 <Rubidium> t: but then again... statistics 00:33:56 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: yexo * r18507 /trunk/src/ai/ai_gui.cpp: -Change [FS#3340]: move the 'check online content' button from the AI list window to the AI configuration window 00:34:01 <fjb> The bible is the excuse for destroying our world. It's gods will. He said that manking stands above all. 00:34:04 <t> btw 15 years ago my wife was on university, they tried to scare them with visions of 'global cooling' 00:34:04 <Eddi|zuHause> it says right there: mankind didn't use its ressources respectfully, so a flood came 00:34:16 <Rubidium> however you want something to be explained, just draw a different line and there's your proof 00:34:17 <t> its old 'conspiracy theory' about climate change :) 00:35:17 <planetmaker> t: you notice? "They". They watch you. They fool you. They control you. 00:35:18 <Rubidium> ah well... the whole climate stuff is really minor if you compare it with the real problematic stuff 00:35:18 <fjb> So why did Exxon have to spend billions to hide the facs of warming when the warming were lies? 00:35:27 <t> planetmaker: speak for yourself :) 00:35:43 <t> Rubidium: agreed 00:35:46 <planetmaker> I don't claim that "they" did this or "they" did that 00:35:47 <Rubidium> fjb: what facts? They're statistics 00:36:03 <fjb> In context of the universe the earth really is not important. 00:36:41 *** Guest1749 [~frank@p5485F954.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:36:41 <t> its like deaths by terrorists - compared to deaths by lighting or mistake of a doc -- or even by side effects when people take pills (correctly). 00:36:49 <planetmaker> Yeah... one planet complains to the other: "oh, I feel so bad. I have homo sapiens". Replies the other: "Don't worry. That passes." 00:37:32 <t> Rubidium: you can create your own statistics :) - which you can believe in. 00:37:53 <Eddi|zuHause> fjb: "in context of world population, my food is really not important" -> "so i should stop eating food?" is the wrong conclusion 00:38:26 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: no, it's the right one... the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few 00:39:06 <fjb> Eddi|zuHause: Just stop worrying. Nothing is important. Or stop eating. That makes you stop worring. Wo cares when mankind dies? 00:39:13 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: you now planetjokemaker? 00:39:24 <planetmaker> yup ;-P 00:39:46 <planetmaker> mind they're usually bad and old :-P 00:39:49 <Eddi|zuHause> i guess your kind makes jokes like this often ;) 00:42:54 <t> if you believe that humans produce too much CO2, do me a favor and stop breathing first. :) 00:43:13 <planetmaker> stop farting. methane is worse 00:43:18 <PeterT> Does anyone have sys-op access to the wiki? 00:43:30 <Rubidium> and if you believe chopping down trees causes much less CO2 adsorbition stop breathing too ;) 00:43:31 <PeterT> The link to the forums on the front page is borken 00:43:32 <t> planetmaker: i agree on farts 00:43:35 <fjb> Don't go to Mc Donalds. 00:44:15 <Eddi|zuHause> t: the issue with "going green" is not "don't do X anymore" but "keep doing X with using fewer ressources" 00:44:46 <Yexo> PeterT: fixed 00:44:53 <t> yes, from now you can only breath 1/5 of the air you used... 00:44:58 <PeterT> Thanks Yexo 00:45:01 <PeterT> :-) 00:45:20 <Rubidium> t: fine, but then I'm going to discard the 80% I'm not going to use anyway first :) 00:45:24 <t> so either stop breathing or do a genocide :) 00:46:04 <fjb> We already tried that. 00:47:23 <t> we were always joked about taxes on breathing - and its finally here :) (i was living uder CCCP controlled commie regime and i remember those jokes from those times) 00:49:04 <fjb> What do we learn from that? Eastern Europ was green under the comunists. 00:49:19 * Rubidium also ponders what's the concept of burning bio-mass 00:49:32 <t> they call it holocaust 00:49:46 <t> fjb: no, we were RED 00:49:55 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: depriving the next scentient race of their fossile fuels 00:50:00 <t> its the same style, just another color :) 00:50:11 * planetmaker yawns and shuffles off to bed. Good night folks 00:50:13 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:50:18 <t> gn! sleep well 00:50:19 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: well, aren't fossil fuels bio-mass too? 00:50:29 <t> also you are biomass 00:50:33 <t> google robot EATR 00:50:33 <Rubidium> maybe it's a bit older, but still... 00:50:34 <t> :) 00:50:36 <Eddi|zuHause> exactly, and if we burn them now, they won't get it 00:50:40 <fjb> So destroying the world is really freedom. Anything else is evel comunistic. 00:50:57 <t> fjb: i didnt call for destruction 00:51:06 <t> dont put that into my mouth 00:51:08 <fjb> And holocaust is what we did, not them. 00:51:25 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: btw. i found a use for your beloved list 00:51:26 <t> we all have part in the history 00:51:31 <fjb> t: You do all the time in this discussion. 00:51:55 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: which list? 00:52:13 <Eddi|zuHause> the one that starts with an "i" and has famous names on it :p 00:52:20 <t> no, only when you throw in climate change... like fact, even when climategate showed its a lie... 00:52:23 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Quit: ecke] 00:52:35 <Rubidium> ah, that one 00:52:53 <Rubidium> am I think what you're thinking? 00:53:13 <Eddi|zuHause> how do we get 200 flamingos into the car? 00:53:38 <Rubidium> with a car crusher? 00:54:29 <Rubidium> or do you mean the Central Afrian Republic, because then it'd be easy 00:54:31 <Eddi|zuHause> did you know that flamingos turn pink from the stuff they are eating? 00:54:40 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-211-40.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Night, I'm off] 00:54:57 <fjb> t: The not used date showed an even faster warmth. But it was left out of the statistics because it was unreliable. That was the "trick" the scientists used. 00:55:39 <t> fjb: nice story, thanks now i can sleep well 00:55:59 <Eddi|zuHause> fjb: removing the results that are the furthest from the average is a common technique in statistics 00:56:04 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: yes I did know that 00:56:22 <fjb> Climagate ofcourse makes up another story. But who pays them? 00:56:25 <Rubidium> and they're not getting pink from the shrimp, but from the blueish algae they eat 00:56:52 <fjb> Eddi|zuHause: I know. You know. The climagate people don't. 00:56:54 <t> And editing all results many times? and deleting emails and data after FOI request? and mobbing scientists who do not agree? 00:57:26 <t> fjb: its admitted that those emails are real 00:57:36 <t> read them 00:57:50 <t> read comments in the code(!) 00:58:31 <Eddi|zuHause> you do know the fundamental theorem of statistics 00:58:49 <fjb> First look who paied whom for tellling the press what. Then come back and complain about some emails. 00:58:51 <Eddi|zuHause> do never trust a statistics that you did not forge yourself 00:59:27 <Eddi|zuHause> i should really start forging statistics 00:59:41 <t> what are u trying to say? that we will never know truth? 00:59:54 <t> are you proud of not being able to see truth? 00:59:58 <t> thats sad 01:00:11 <fjb> "Scientitsts" where paid to tell the press that there is no warmth. Some of them were even not real scientists. 01:00:28 <t> fjb: its the other way around and those mails and files PROVE IT 01:00:42 <t> they got tens of millions $$$ for lying about warming 01:00:52 <t> and they KNEW its cooling... 01:01:03 <fjb> And who paid them? 01:01:33 <t> those questions are good... but you have to LOOK into the case deeper. 01:01:57 <t> i cant do it for you :) but there are many many web pages now about it 01:02:12 <fjb> Just answer that single question. Who would spend billions on generating a wrming hype? 01:02:23 <t> the one who will get much more ? 01:02:27 <Eddi|zuHause> "it's on a web page, it must be true! 01:02:31 <fjb> Who is that? 01:02:39 <t> Eddi|zuHause: please :) 01:02:55 <fjb> Who will earn more than billions from a warming hype? 01:03:02 <t> fjb: did you heard EU president talking about global governance? 01:03:09 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, please... it is proven that we are in a cooling phase 01:03:23 <t> and did you see gore getting hundreds millions already from the scam? 01:03:25 <Eddi|zuHause> the problem is that it is not cooling as much as it is supposed to 01:03:58 <t> Eddi|zuHause: problem is that you believe to someone who is not trustworthy 01:03:58 <Eddi|zuHause> the real (potential) catastrophe is only coming in 100 years! 01:04:07 <lugo> http://scienceblogs.com/illconsidered/2008/07/how_to_talk_to_a_sceptic.php :) 01:04:12 <Eddi|zuHause> nobody is trustworthy... 01:04:25 <t> Eddi|zuHause: even you? 01:04:38 <t> so why are u trying to tell me something :) 01:04:40 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, especially $random_guy_on_irc 01:05:00 <t> i am not asking you to believe me - just read about the case 01:05:23 <t> its not rocket science 01:05:29 <t> its much easier 01:05:48 <Eddi|zuHause> actually, rocket science is one of the easiest parts of science 01:06:07 <t> well :) i know something about turbulences :) which is not that easy to compute 01:06:12 *** fjb [~frank@p5485F959.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:06:20 <Eddi|zuHause> the rocket propulsion system was developed during war times in caves... 01:06:29 *** fjb [~frank@p5485F959.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:06:38 <t> even americans needed nazi scientists to make some good rockets 01:07:15 <Rubidium> t: do you even have a clue how to model the weather, leave alone weather forecasts? 01:07:16 <fjb> They needed German scientists. Too bad that many of them were Nazis at that time. 01:07:17 <Eddi|zuHause> you are overgeneralizing 01:07:26 <Eddi|zuHause> they needed GERMAN scientists 01:07:35 <t> lol eQualizer :)) 01:07:36 <Eddi|zuHause> not all germans were automatically nazis 01:07:40 <t> eh i mean Eddi|zuHause 01:07:50 <t> but those were :) 01:08:02 <t> those taken by project paperclip 01:08:32 <Eddi|zuHause> and we all know that the americans actually lost the rocket race 01:08:35 <fjb> Not all were Nazis. Some where. THe USA didn't care. 01:09:01 <t> well especially those nazi doctors from concentration camps WERE nazis to the core 01:09:08 <Eddi|zuHause> the russians, who "only" got the low level technicans after the americans left eastern germany, had the more successful rocket program 01:09:13 <fjb> And we all know that Russion space technology is more reliable. 01:09:31 <t> lol i need to take break :) 01:09:53 <fjb> t: That Nazi doctors did not build rockets. 01:09:59 <Eddi|zuHause> t: and actually, the USA had one of the strongest nazi movements in the "western world" 01:10:05 <t> fjb: you know about project paperclip? :) 01:10:15 <t> Eddi|zuHause: yes, agreed 01:10:24 * t afks 01:10:54 <fjb> t lost anyway by godwin. 01:12:28 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-140-128.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:17:26 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B35AC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:19:32 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B3442.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 01:19:35 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 01:30:01 <fjb> dbset 1.0 will be playable in subtropic climate only. 01:30:40 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, when it gets released in 2138 01:30:41 <Rubidium> haha... will it ever be released? 01:31:19 <Eddi|zuHause> of course the world will end 100 years prior to that... 01:33:03 <fjb> The people at Bell knew when the world would come to an end. 01:34:23 <Eddi|zuHause> over the last 100 years, the world ended like two dozen times already... 01:35:21 <fjb> Yes, but there can not be any other reason for making the time counter only 32 bit. 01:36:45 *** weaselboy246 [risugami@72-173-0-26.cust.wildblue.net] has joined #openttd 01:36:46 <Eddi|zuHause> it's even worse... it's 32bit signed 01:37:04 <Eddi|zuHause> so effectively 31bit 01:37:24 <Eddi|zuHause> and have you ever heard of a self-fulfilling prophecy? ;) 01:39:08 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18508 /trunk/src/ (core/math_func.hpp rail_gui.cpp): -Fix [FS#3372]: if a rail station class had less data than capacity it would try to set a negative position 01:39:20 <fjb> You ought to belive. 01:39:32 <Eddi|zuHause> funny story about statistics 01:39:43 <Eddi|zuHause> the weather forecast is 70% accurate 01:39:44 *** xopek [~xopknet@92.46.175.52] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:39:50 <Rubidium> but isn't the overflow in 2038, not 2138? 01:40:11 <Eddi|zuHause> a random person on the street saying "tomorrow the weather is going to be like today" is 65% accurate 01:40:38 <fjb> Yes, that is why the world will end 100 years before the release of dbset 1.0. 01:41:06 <Eddi|zuHause> so all the effort for weather forecasting only increases accuracy by 5% 01:41:43 <fjb> Kr?ht der Hahn auf dem Mist ?ndert sich das Wetter oder es bleibt wie es ist. 01:42:00 <Rubidium> my weather forecast for the spring is usually 100% accurate: tomorrow's weather is shit 01:42:17 <Eddi|zuHause> fjb: well, that's a tautology 01:42:24 <fjb> My forecast is: No snow here next summer. 01:42:25 <Rubidium> either it rains, or it doesn't and I get hay fever 01:42:39 <fjb> Me too. 01:42:46 <Rubidium> anyway, either is shitty weather 01:43:02 *** KenjiE20|LT [~KenjiE20@host86-171-53-144.range86-171.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 01:43:17 <fjb> We should better stay at home and read conspiracy theories. 01:43:23 <Eddi|zuHause> like the scottish people say: "if you can see the top of the hills, it's going to rain soon 01:43:36 <fjb> :-) 01:44:22 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.21.64.102] has quit [Quit: ????] 01:44:30 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: the cause for hay fever is not playing enough in the dirt as a child 01:45:59 <Rubidium> I blame my mother 01:46:18 <Eddi|zuHause> funny thing about the human immune system. if it is underoccupied, it searches for new things to fight 01:46:59 <Eddi|zuHause> it's like the americans, if they have no enemies who threaten to attack them, they create an "axis of evil" by themselves 01:47:00 <Rubidium> and it seriously annoys me 01:47:41 <fjb> Me too. 01:47:54 <Eddi|zuHause> while the soviets were around, everything was peachy... afterwards, it started to go down the drain 01:48:30 *** Netsplit synthon.oftc.net <-> larich.oftc.net quits: TheMask96, TrueBrain 01:48:32 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@host86-171-53-144.range86-171.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 01:48:41 <Eddi|zuHause> that was a tiny netsplit... 01:49:10 *** KenjiE20|LT [~KenjiE20@host86-171-53-144.range86-171.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:49:10 *** KenjiE20 is now known as KenjiE20|LT 01:49:28 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm looking forward to the next cold war between USA and China 01:50:20 *** Netsplit over, joins: TheMask96, TrueBrain 01:50:20 <Eddi|zuHause> it'll get interesting when China starts to support Iran ;) 01:50:34 <Eddi|zuHause> or Syria ;) 01:51:59 <fjb> USA and China can not really have a cold war. They are like conjoined twins now. 01:53:00 <Eddi|zuHause> there are other funny scenarios 01:53:41 <Eddi|zuHause> like political collapse of pakistan and india invading the area, then iran feeling threatened 01:54:23 <Eddi|zuHause> fjb: the cold war doesn't need to be an economical one 01:55:40 <fjb> But it hinders economy very much. 01:55:47 <Eddi|zuHause> fjb: also the question is whether europe manages to get a 3rd independent superpower, or instead stays the puppy of the USA 01:56:14 <fjb> I dislike both options. 01:56:18 <Eddi|zuHause> currently it leans towards the latter 01:57:35 *** Netsplit synthon.oftc.net <-> larich.oftc.net quits: TheMask96, TrueBrain 01:58:11 *** The_Exile^ [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 02:00:31 *** Netsplit over, joins: TheMask96, TrueBrain 02:05:13 *** JVassie^ [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:09:30 *** Netsplit resistance.oftc.net <-> larich.oftc.net quits: TheMask96, TrueBrain 02:14:15 *** Netsplit over, joins: TheMask96, TrueBrain 02:23:48 *** The_Exile^ [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:23:56 *** TrueBrain_ [~truebrain@145.118.72.64] has joined #openttd 02:24:52 *** Netsplit synthon.oftc.net <-> larich.oftc.net quits: TheMask96, TrueBrain 02:26:44 *** Netsplit over, joins: TheMask96, TrueBrain 02:27:41 *** TrueBrain [~truebrain@145.118.72.64] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:41:10 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 02:41:13 *** mode/#openttd [+v peter1138] by ChanServ 02:42:22 *** weaselboy246 [risugami@72-173-0-26.cust.wildblue.net] has quit [Quit: Beware of the bearers of false gifts and broken promises. Much pain but there is still time. Believe. There is still good out there. 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10:46:52 <roboboy> is there a list of advanced settings that must be set before a game is started? 10:48:44 <mirQus> If there's none, where/who can I send a patch to? 10:49:43 <dihedral> mirQus, paste.openttd.org 10:49:57 <dihedral> roboboy, settings are created if not present, and default values used 10:51:26 <peter1138> bugs.openttd.org 10:51:33 <peter1138> there was a list, but it's not used 10:52:03 <dihedral> yeah, or one can create an fs ticket right away 10:52:04 <mirQus> bugs. then. :) 10:52:15 <roboboy> ok 10:52:17 <dihedral> though i thought it might be worth looking at the patch first :-P 10:52:27 <mirQus> But no bugs I have, only a preliminary version of a feature. :> 10:52:35 <dihedral> see 10:52:54 <dihedral> mirQus, what's the feature 10:53:20 <peter1138> bugs. handles features and patches too 10:53:32 <roboboy> I was hoping to know so that I could easily skim over the list of settings for the ones that can't be set after my server is started 10:53:40 <mirQus> Train orders that modify the train in a depot. 10:53:43 <dihedral> still, somone has to go around and read... close them :-P 10:54:05 <mirQus> Like 'leave N wagons, take N wagons'. 10:54:22 <dihedral> and does the order then delete itself? 10:54:25 <mirQus> No. 10:54:39 <dihedral> so everytime the order is hit.... 10:54:44 <dihedral> and in the end you have just the loc 10:54:54 <dihedral> very ... nice 10:54:58 <mirQus> But you can add another, that will take other wagons. :) 10:55:08 <dihedral> ... 10:55:18 <mirQus> So, every time a train go to some depot, it can switch wagons. 10:55:41 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dbaa380.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 10:55:41 <mirQus> You can use depots like a mini railway siding. 10:55:58 <dihedral> and... must the wagons be present in the depot? 10:56:06 <mirQus> Yes. 10:56:17 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 10:56:26 <dihedral> and does the oder only count when the train is in the depot, or will the train specifically go to any depot for that order 10:56:39 <dihedral> what happens when no waggons are in the depot 10:56:57 <dihedral> what happens in a network of 500+ trains, and shared orders 10:57:02 <mirQus> You need to add a order to go to depot and modify it to include a train modification instructions. 10:57:02 <dihedral> and trains going to various depots 10:57:43 <dihedral> howabout not using the order list, but creating a new maintenance list? 10:58:02 <dihedral> and using sell and buy? 10:58:30 <mirQus> Hmm. I haven't noticed a maintenance lists anywhere (except maybe autoreplace thing). 10:58:32 *** Luukland [Hassan@wlan230007.mobiel.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 10:58:32 *** Fugas [~admin@isbprachen.clnet.cz] has joined #openttd 10:58:35 <Luukland> Bonjour :) 10:58:56 <dihedral> i did mention the word "create" :-P 10:59:01 <mirQus> A new thing like it might be even better that what I have, but that's a lot more work I suppose. 10:59:12 <dihedral> hehe 10:59:14 <dihedral> yep 10:59:18 <dihedral> probably 10:59:38 <Luukland> Work is relative ;) 10:59:48 <Luukland> Its like icecream, some times you like it, other times not 10:59:53 <mirQus> The ultimate idea is to have locomotives pick wagons from normal tracks. :> 11:00:36 <mirQus> But THAT's a lot work. ;) 11:03:58 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 11:11:10 <mirQus> Ok. FS#3373 11:11:29 *** Goulpy [~Goulp@nt2001.opsio.fr] has joined #openttd 11:12:11 *** tneo [~tneo@vs241204.vserver.de] has quit [Quit: ZNC by prozac - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 11:13:03 *** Goulpy [~Goulp@nt2001.opsio.fr] has quit [] 11:13:34 *** Goulpy [~Goulp@nt2001.opsio.fr] has joined #openttd 11:13:51 *** rellig_107 [~quassel@minad.de] has joined #openttd 11:14:36 *** mirQus_ [mirq@rere.qmqm.pl] has joined #openttd 11:15:50 <mirQus_> In case you want to look at it, I opened FS#3373 with link to the patch. 11:15:53 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8dfad.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 11:15:54 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 11:16:44 *** wolfryu [~Wolfenste@dhcp-077-250-089-252.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 11:16:46 *** rellig [~quassel@minad.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:16:46 *** Osai [~Osai@vs241204.vserver.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:16:46 *** mucht_home [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:16:46 *** XeryusTC [~XeryusTC@vs241204.vserver.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:16:46 *** dihedral [~dih@vs241204.vserver.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:16:46 *** Goulp [~Goulp@nt2001.opsio.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:16:46 *** planetmaker [~pm@vs241204.vserver.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:16:46 *** wolfy [~Wolfenste@dhcp-077-250-089-252.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:16:46 *** mirQus [mirq@rere.qmqm.pl] has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 11:16:46 *** Katje [~Kitty@tao.quixotic.eu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:16:46 *** mirQus_ is now known as mirQus 11:16:58 *** Katje [~Kitty@tao.quixotic.eu] has joined #openttd 11:16:59 *** t [foobar@ip-89-102-34-194.karneval.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:17:01 *** tneo [~tneo@vs241204.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 11:17:05 *** Goulpy is now known as Goulp 11:17:07 *** FauxFaux [faux@compsoc.sunion.warwick.ac.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:17:08 *** eQualizer [~lauri@dyn12-192.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:17:10 *** FauxFaux [faux@compsoc.sunion.warwick.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 11:17:20 <mirQus> Hmm. Net hickup. ;) 11:17:31 *** APTX [~APTX@ks32603.kimsufi.com] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 11:17:31 *** Osai [~Osai@vs241204.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 11:17:41 *** SmatZ [~SmatZ@vs241204.vserver.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:17:43 <Goulp> Net toyage 11:17:44 *** SmatZ [~SmatZ@vs241204.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 11:18:01 *** APTX [~APTX@ks32603.kimsufi.com] has joined #openttd 11:18:31 *** XeryusTC [~XeryusTC@vs241204.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 11:18:46 *** dihedral [~dih@vs241204.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 11:19:04 <dihedral> in case of an entry at bugs. please upload the patch!! 11:19:16 *** _ln [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:19:19 <Forked> hm 11:19:19 *** Forked [~kjetil@presenterer.formye.info] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:19:32 *** kjetil [~kjetil@presenterer.formye.info] has joined #openttd 11:19:40 *** kjetil is now known as Forked 11:19:44 *** planetmaker [~pm@vs241204.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 11:19:49 *** planetmaker is now known as Guest80 11:20:34 *** eQualizer [~lauri@dyn12-192.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 11:21:19 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.214] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:21:36 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.214] has joined #openttd 11:21:42 *** _ln [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has joined #openttd 11:22:21 *** t [foobar@ip-89-102-34-194.karneval.cz] has joined #openttd 11:24:06 *** Guest80 is now known as planetmaker 11:25:39 *** Luukland [Hassan@wlan230007.mobiel.utwente.nl] has quit [] 11:29:22 <Yexo> thanks TrueBrain :) 11:30:42 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2002:5ce3:510b:1:c0e8:fa75:f83f:24b8] has joined #openttd 11:33:22 <TrueBrain> Yexo: np ;) Weird it was noted this late :p 11:33:50 <Yexo> it was noted several days ago on the forum, but at that time i forgot to mention it to you 11:34:11 <Yexo> but then again i have no idea how long the problem has existed 11:34:46 * Guest1746 isn't sure what for, but thanks TrueBrain anyway 11:49:04 * dihedral is tired 11:49:21 * TrueBrain feeds dihedral some viagra 11:49:37 <dihedral> ... 11:49:44 <dihedral> that's where all the mails come from :-P 11:49:47 <planetmaker> :-P 11:49:48 <TrueBrain> ;) 11:52:28 <dihedral> 3 more days at work \o/ 11:53:16 <Sacro> me yawns 11:53:53 <roboboy> grr this laptop is so slow 11:54:17 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.21.64.102] has joined #openttd 11:55:08 <roboboy> its taking forever to extract individual files from this zip and it runs slowly playing large maps in openttd eg coop's public server 11:56:11 <dihedral> roboboy, ah - yes, that's easy to fix, let me send you a patch! 11:56:24 <roboboy> hehe 11:56:46 <roboboy> a patch for windows 11:57:33 <dihedral> yes, yes, of course 11:57:36 <dihedral> what else! 11:58:22 <roboboy> wheres the best place to find out more about the sound replacement project? 11:58:23 <Rubidium> dihedral: is that a glock with ammo and the method of application is: put ammo in glock, remove safety of glock, put barrel to forehead, put trigger to apply patch? 11:58:42 <roboboy> the latest one 11:58:58 <Rubidium> its thread? 11:59:00 <dihedral> Rubidium, :-) 11:59:09 <Rubidium> the stickied one in the General OpenTTD forum? 11:59:12 <Rubidium> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=44761? 11:59:15 <roboboy> ok 11:59:37 <roboboy> howd I miss it 12:01:22 <planetmaker> depending on what you look for, you might also want to look at the appropriate sub-project at the DevZone, roboboy 12:03:41 <Rubidium> planetmaker: the beauty of the thread is that it links to both the wiki and the tracker and the releases and the nightlies 12:04:10 <planetmaker> ah :-) Didn't recall that 12:04:17 *** Guest1746 is now known as edeca 12:04:28 <planetmaker> Possibly the devzone should link there, too... 12:06:38 <planetmaker> added link to wiki there, too 12:10:30 <Rubidium> where's Bjarni when you need him? 12:10:50 <Rubidium> guess it's derailing some steam train :) 12:13:19 <edeca> planetmaker: Where does bauxite come from in FIRS? 12:13:28 * roboboy wishes winzip would hurry up or give me an error 12:13:45 <planetmaker> dunno. 12:13:51 <edeca> roboboy: What are you running it on?! 12:13:52 <planetmaker> I'd guess a mine 12:13:53 * Rubidium wonders when you get a PSU overflow error 12:14:01 <edeca> planetmaker: Ah sorry, I thought you knew about it :) 12:15:06 <dihedral> Rubidium, just before the psu cuts out, shorts, or explodes 12:17:17 <dihedral> roboboy, how big is the zip :-P 12:20:52 <roboboy> I think 1GB + 12:21:22 <roboboy> once either winzip or explorer respond ill tell you exactly 12:21:59 <roboboy> but it takes for ever on individual files at times 12:24:56 <roboboy> it seems winzip had an eror 12:30:57 <Ammler> someone here has openttd installed on a linux? 12:31:42 <Ammler> installed as "make install" or "<something> install openttd" 12:33:23 <blathijs> Ammler: On Debian it's simple :-) 12:33:47 <planetmaker> blathijs, I think it's not a question along the lines of "how do I do that"? 12:34:05 <blathijs> Ah, right :-) 12:34:11 <planetmaker> but maybe... you, Ammler, ask the question you really want to ask ;-) 12:34:23 <TrueBrain> does he ever? 12:34:26 <blathijs> Ammler: In that case, sortof. I've got the deb package installed, which is built using make install :-) 12:36:20 <Ammler> ah sorry, I am wondering if you have the right Icon in the Start menu 12:36:44 * Ammler with KDE4 has just a flag :-( 12:38:11 <Ammler> blathijs: http://imagebin.ca/view/KWqtdxv.html 12:38:43 <blathijs> Ammler: Dunno, I don't use KDE :-) 12:39:12 <Ammler> so it works on your wm? 12:39:23 <blathijs> The menu of my window manager (Awesome) does show the right icon 12:39:25 <Ammler> (whatever you use...) 12:39:47 <blathijs> Ammler: You should probably check /usr/share/applications/openttd.desktop, see what icon that lists and if it's installed 12:40:04 <Ammler> that is all fine, that is why I ask 12:40:23 <Ammler> e.g. http://imagebin.ca/view/e4XSMhCm.html works 12:40:35 <Ammler> or also alt-f2 shows the right icon 12:41:05 <Ammler> first I thought, it is because of wrong dimensions for the 256x256 icon 12:41:13 <blathijs> Hmm, that's weird. Other apps don't do that? 12:41:29 <blathijs> Ammler: That icon has wrong dimensions? 12:41:32 <Ammler> well, I never use that menu :-) 12:41:41 <Ammler> yes, 256x248 12:41:53 <blathijs> Hmm, I see, yes 12:42:06 <peter1138> hmm, just tunnel entrances to sort out now 12:42:11 <blathijs> Ammler: Perhaps you should rerun update-desktop-stomething after changing the icon? 12:42:26 <blathijs> update-desktop-database 12:42:59 <Ammler> yeah, dosn't help 12:44:01 <blathijs> Funny... 12:45:06 <Ammler> it might be a bug of the theme in KDE4 12:45:43 <Ammler> I gues, SmatZ is using KDE 12:50:38 <SmatZ> yeah 12:50:47 <SmatZ> I am using KDE4 and I am not happy of that 12:51:36 <Ammler> of what? 12:51:44 <Ammler> about using KDE or the Icon? 12:51:44 <SmatZ> that I am using KDE4 12:51:57 <SmatZ> it's still quite problematic 12:52:03 <SmatZ> I should have stayd with KDE3 12:52:12 <Ammler> well, it very much depense on the version I am using 4.3.4 and it woks fine so far.. 12:52:31 <SmatZ> hmm I got even more problems after switching from 4.3.3 to 4.3.4 :( 12:52:32 <Ammler> KDE4 < 4.3 isn't useable 12:52:50 <SmatZ> like, when I lock and unlock session, some app crashes 12:53:00 <SmatZ> krusader is too wide to fit on my window 12:53:07 <SmatZ> when I insert removable media, some app crashes... 12:53:20 <Ammler> hmm, well the suse distro runs around 100 patches through the KDE... :-) 12:54:12 <Ammler> but back to topic, do you have openttd installed? 12:55:31 <Ammler> SmatZ: ^ 12:55:36 <SmatZ> Ammler: yeah :) 12:55:37 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 12:55:49 <Ammler> and you have the right icon in the Start Menu? 12:55:58 <SmatZ> yes 12:56:31 <SmatZ> though I am using the "old-style" menu 12:56:45 <SmatZ> with 16x16 (or so) icons 12:57:05 <SmatZ> but even with 32x32 icons, it has correct icon 12:57:42 <peter1138> baaa 12:57:43 <Ammler> well, it uses the right icon here everywhere else too 12:57:53 <peter1138> scummvm for s60 doesn't work :( 12:58:03 <Ammler> just not on that stupid start menu 12:58:06 <peter1138> seems like it wants a touch screen 12:58:08 <Ammler> which I never use anyway. 13:04:10 <peter1138> okay, got it... some horrible key combination :s 13:08:08 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2D9993.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:09:36 <blathijs> peter1138: That is rather cool, but my 1.5" screen is probably not suited for playing games :-) 13:10:01 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:10:06 <peter1138> mmm, i'm thinking "stuck somewhere with nothing else to do" type playing 13:18:49 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has joined #openttd 13:21:04 <peter1138> yeah, okay, it's cool but pretty useless 13:21:12 <peter1138> the E71's display is pretty dim 13:29:29 *** DarkED [~J@cpe-069-132-093-098.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 13:30:14 <roboboy> gnight 13:30:59 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF95AC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 13:34:50 *** lskdfj [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:35:35 *** lskdfj [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:36:00 *** LadyHawk [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:36:11 *** LadyHawk [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:36:28 <Singaporekid> peter1138 peter1138 13:38:03 <peter1138> Singaporekid Singaporekid 13:38:29 <Singaporekid> Apparently you have some sort of driving trains patch http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=46302 13:43:39 *** Mark [~Mark@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 13:51:27 <peter1138> ages ago 13:57:30 <Singaporekid> fuzzle.org/o D: 13:57:36 <peter1138> good lad 13:57:47 <peter1138> i don't think it's there though 13:59:33 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r18509 /trunk/src/ (7 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange (r2515,r2753): Data for drawing single_x/y rail pieces was inverted. 13:59:48 <peter1138> i mean, it was a loooong time ago 14:02:58 <Markk> Can you fund a new town in a game? 14:04:36 <Ammler> yes, in nightly 14:05:01 <Markk> Ooh, nice, must try that out 14:05:11 <Markk> Thanks :) 14:05:49 <Ammler> he credits go to Belugas and friends :-) 14:07:37 <Markk> Okay :) 14:09:45 <Markk> Oh, shi- 14:09:51 <Markk> I have 2.2 GB of save-files 14:13:09 <Belugas> hello 14:14:15 <SpComb> Markk: easy way to free up some space, then 14:15:33 <Markk> SpComb: yeah :) 14:15:43 <Markk> But I like to save the save-files ;) 14:19:31 <peter1138> hurrr 14:19:39 <Markk> Is it cold? 14:19:41 <peter1138> opengfx really needs its landscape sprites fixing 14:19:57 <Markk> I would need some landscape fixing irl 14:26:44 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aeja58.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 14:29:50 <planetmaker> peter1138, what else besides the fields? 14:29:59 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18510 /trunk/os/windows/installer/install.nsi: 14:29:59 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: -Codechange: some further cleanups of the Windows installer; it didn't always 14:29:59 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: remove all the files it installed and the downloaded free graphics/sounds are 14:29:59 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: now fully extracted instead of dumped as tar in the data directory. This should 14:29:59 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: make reading the readme for them quite a bit easier. 14:30:33 <planetmaker> good one Rubidium ! Hope dies last, eh? ;-) 14:30:38 <peter1138> planetmaker, landscape generator sprites 14:30:45 <planetmaker> oh. yes. 14:32:09 <Rubidium> hope dies last? 14:32:14 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:3878:9e61:1204:f64f] has joined #openttd 14:32:17 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 14:36:33 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B6F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:36:50 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B6F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:46:41 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF95AC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:47:01 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 14:55:28 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.214] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:08:17 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CB44.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:14:54 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.231.241] has joined #openttd 15:18:34 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f5cc8.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 15:29:24 *** xopek [~xopknet@92.46.175.52] has joined #openttd 15:30:25 <planetmaker> I meant the hope that people read the readme. 15:31:59 <Belugas> you expect people to READ????? 15:32:10 <Belugas> man... you're really optimistic and idealistic :S 15:33:36 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.231.241] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 15:35:21 <Ammler> could a wiki admin move http://wiki.openttd.org/OpenGFX_Readme" target="_blank">http://wiki.openttd.org/OpenGFX_Readme move to http://wiki.openttd.org/OpenGFX (without Readme, as the official readme is in the source now) 15:35:34 <Ammler> might need to delete OpenGFX first 15:38:34 *** xopek is now known as none 15:39:38 <planetmaker> Belugas, not me. But obviously the person with the last svn commit ;-) 15:40:00 <planetmaker> But then: it makes flaming the people who don't read WAY easier ;-) 15:40:09 *** xopek [xorkrus@ip-67-189.interbild.net] has joined #openttd 15:40:30 <planetmaker> I object, Ammler 15:40:45 <planetmaker> The official readme has a link to that exact wiki page. We should not rename it (now) 15:40:50 <planetmaker> or at least a re-direct is needed 15:41:17 *** none [~xopknet@92.46.175.52] has quit [Quit: http://xopkep.blogspot.com/] 15:41:25 <planetmaker> It doesn't make it untrue, though, that the official readme is the one which comes along. 15:41:39 <planetmaker> Still we should maintain the wiki page up2date. It's probably read more often. 15:46:23 <peter1138> "up2date"? 15:46:40 <peter1138> you don't "maintain" something "up to date" 15:46:44 <peter1138> you either maintain it 15:46:48 <peter1138> or you keep it up to date 15:47:54 <Ammler> well, it isn't 15:48:17 <Ammler> and you were the guy who moved the readme from wiki to the repo :-P 15:49:12 <Ammler> or course, you can still have a redirect from OpenGFX_Readme to OpenGFX 15:49:43 <Ammler> I would make the wiki page as portal for the OpenGFX 15:51:15 <blathijs> Perhaps put a link to the README file in the source browser on the OpenGFX_Readme page? 15:51:17 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 15:51:59 <planetmaker> sounds like a good idea, blathijs 15:52:10 <planetmaker> as does the portal thingy 15:52:24 <Ammler> yep, that is what I have done in the OpenGFX box there 15:52:40 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF95AC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:52:44 <Ammler> nvm, I saw, if I logged in, I can move myself, now just the question, should I? 15:53:05 <Ammler> ^ might have too many commas ;-) 15:56:54 <Ammler> http://wiki.openttd.org/Graphics_Replacement_FAQ <-- also quite outdated 15:57:29 *** LordAzamath [~stabuinte@82.131.16.156.cable.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 15:58:09 <planetmaker> yes, indeed 15:58:47 <Ammler> I guess, we can remove that navigation box 15:58:56 <Ammler> and keep only one OpenGFX wiki page 15:59:06 <planetmaker> hm... I like the navigation box 15:59:22 <planetmaker> it looks nice :-) 15:59:38 <Ammler> hehe, you can keep it, but the links go mostly outside 15:59:44 <Ammler> TT-Forums and DevZone 16:00:06 <planetmaker> yes. And everything except the readme is horribly outdated 16:00:41 <Ammler> Readme -> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/entry/docs/readme.ptxt 16:00:42 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aeja58.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 16:00:57 <Ammler> FAQ drop without replacement 16:01:25 <Ammler> Tracking Table -> Roadmap -> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/roadmap 16:01:54 <Ammler> drop "Advanced ..." without replacement 16:02:14 <Ammler> credits redirect to the overview csv? 16:03:08 <Ammler> Downloads from Forums -> Release Talk at Forums 16:03:48 <planetmaker> Nah... Don't drop the readme, I think 16:03:59 <planetmaker> It looks nicer than the reame.ptxt 16:04:15 <Ammler> he? 16:04:40 <Ammler> oh well, I leave it... :-) 16:04:52 <planetmaker> removing the rest... yes :-) 16:05:39 * Ammler would have removed only FAQ and the + thing 16:06:48 <planetmaker> :-) Well... whatever you think. Just leave the readme :-) It looks nicer than plain text 16:07:31 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:10:46 <Ammler> the wiki Readme isn't up2date 16:10:56 <Ammler> so you would keep it anyway? 16:11:56 <Ammler> oh, you made updates 16:12:20 <Ammler> well, I drop my changes then... :-) 16:14:31 <planetmaker> I made the updates a few day back... 16:15:09 <Ammler> he, you made a migration mistake? 16:15:14 <Ammler> pm -> planetmaker ;-) 16:15:41 <planetmaker> hm? 16:16:55 <Ammler> http://wiki.openttd.org/?title=OpenGFX_Readme&action=history <-- wiki doesn't see the redirect 16:18:18 <planetmaker> I could swear that it once worked... 16:22:23 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 16:24:12 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.214] has joined #openttd 16:26:25 *** guru3 [~guru3@2002:4e69:a155::1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:29:36 *** guru3 [~guru3@2002:4e69:a155::1] has joined #openttd 16:33:47 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.62] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:34:33 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.37] has joined #openttd 16:36:03 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@ip4da39612.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 16:36:20 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-211-40.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 16:36:38 *** dlr365 [~dlr365@S010600248c02a7d3.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 16:36:46 *** dlr365 [~dlr365@S010600248c02a7d3.cg.shawcable.net] has quit [] 16:36:56 *** dlr365 [~dlr365@S010600248c02a7d3.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 16:45:24 *** LordAzamath [~stabuinte@82.131.16.156.cable.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.5/20091102152451]] 16:48:32 <Belugas> YEAH!!! 16:48:37 <Belugas> finished!!! 16:48:45 <Belugas> yet another certification done 16:48:50 <Belugas> 106 transactions now 16:48:51 <Belugas> pffff... 16:52:56 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Administr@88.130.172.150] has joined #openttd 16:55:55 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@38-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 16:55:56 *** Yexo [~Yexo@38-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:57:30 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77B6F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:57:39 *** Fast2_ [~Fast2@p57AF95AC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:59:29 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:59:47 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.21.64.102] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:00:30 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.21.64.102] has joined #openttd 17:02:32 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF95AC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:02:43 *** Fast2_ is now known as Fast2 17:03:39 *** Goulp [~Goulp@nt2001.opsio.fr] has quit [Quit: PACKET_SERVER_SHUTDOWN] 17:03:47 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B6F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:03:52 *** jpm [~pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has joined #openttd 17:21:23 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@82.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 17:23:03 <Terkhen> hello 17:25:20 <peter1138> pom te pom 17:25:46 <peter1138> hmm, so... 17:38:12 <Singaporekid> SO 17:38:29 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm148.epsilon84.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: E:<] 17:39:00 <Belugas> quite 17:40:40 *** bartavelle is now known as bartaway 17:55:22 *** sparrL [~kvirc@170.190.43.192] has joined #openttd 18:03:43 <peter1138> indeed 18:06:00 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 18:08:11 *** Chillosophy [~fu@195-241-120-76.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 18:08:18 *** jpm [~pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has quit [Server closed connection] 18:13:34 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CB44.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:25:01 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [] 18:27:55 <Belugas> i miss my axe! 18:29:09 * Prof_Frink lends Belugas his Munro 18:30:21 *** sparrL [~kvirc@170.190.43.192] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:31:13 *** sparrL [~kvirc@170.190.43.192] has joined #openttd 18:32:09 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc4-newt30-2-0-cust18.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 18:32:26 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 18:32:31 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aeja35.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 18:32:31 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 18:39:53 <Belugas> Munro? 18:40:01 <Prof_Frink> Axe. 18:40:04 * Belugas want guit!!! 18:40:20 * Prof_Frink want snow. 18:41:30 <Prof_Frink> I take spiky things to the Lake Sistrict in december, do Striding Edge at night by headtorch and *still* no reason to use spikery. 18:41:37 <Prof_Frink> s/S/D/ 18:42:48 * Belugas has snow 18:43:19 <Prof_Frink> Please deliver to Dorset. 18:45:59 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: translators * r18511 /trunk/src/lang/ (11 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) 18:45:59 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:59 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: croatian - 37 changes by UnderwaterHesus 18:45:59 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: finnish - 1 changes by jpx_ 18:45:59 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: french - 1 changes by glx 18:46:00 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: german - 5 changes by dihedral 18:46:00 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: hungarian - 4 changes by IPG, alyr 18:48:42 <Eddi|zuHause> it's supposed to snow here this week 18:49:27 <Eddi|zuHause> but by experience, that thaws until christmas 18:51:11 <planetmaker> dihedral: we translate "fatal error" with "schwerer Fehler" ;-) 18:51:54 <Prof_Frink> Is that Foreign for "Oh cock"? 18:52:01 <Eddi|zuHause> i'd say "schwerwiegend" 18:52:50 <planetmaker> PeterT: http://dev.openttdcoop.org/documents/6 18:53:08 <PeterT> Thanks planetmaker! 18:53:26 <planetmaker> mind that it's heavily cheated 18:53:36 <PeterT> Cheated? 18:53:50 <Eddi|zuHause> Prof_Frink: no, that would be "Kacke" 18:53:52 <PeterT> I'll take a look 18:53:55 <planetmaker> company switch, money cheat, and one or two others 18:54:04 <PeterT> Ahh 18:54:52 <Eddi|zuHause> Prof_Frink: which has not much to do with "cock", more with "shit" 18:56:38 <Prof_Frink> Well, "Oh cock" isn't really about cock any more than "Bugger!" is about sodomy. 18:57:12 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-084-062-056-157.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:57:37 <Eddi|zuHause> Prof_Frink: well, it's possible that "Oh cock" has nothing to do with cocks at all, but instead is etymologically derived from "Kacke" 18:57:39 <planetmaker> PeterT: it was mainly thought as a show-case with everything on one screen 18:57:49 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc4-newt30-2-0-cust18.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.5/20091102152451]] 18:57:58 <PeterT> It would be a great opnttle.dat 18:58:32 <Prof_Frink> Eddi|zuHause: Well, mainly it's derived from not being able to say "Fuck" ont' tellybox. 18:58:44 <planetmaker> all features of OpenTTD and as many different sprites to test OpenGFX. My intial idea was just that... titlescreen. I guess that's the savefile's name 18:58:57 <PeterT> :-) 18:59:13 <PeterT> I see that you named the presidents after yourself 18:59:19 <PeterT> but who is M.G. Mur? 18:59:23 <Eddi|zuHause> Prof_Frink: that's the use case, not the etymological heritage 18:59:34 <planetmaker> But there are a few adjustments which can be made. Some of them I already did in my local version 19:00:06 <planetmaker> PeterT: that's left to the reader to find out 19:02:55 <planetmaker> ah... I wondered. It's M.G.M?r 19:03:48 <PeterT> Yes 19:03:51 <PeterT> who is that? 19:03:59 <planetmaker> :-) 19:07:14 <planetmaker> Sorry, I don't tell :-) 19:09:23 <PeterT> Alright 19:09:32 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:10:45 * peter1138 plays DBSetXL... for old times sake 19:12:51 <welshdragon> I might play some OpenTTD in a minute 19:13:10 <welshdragon> it's a shame there's no Standard server :( 19:13:23 <frosch123> start a rc1 server 19:13:46 <welshdragon> i can't 19:13:46 <PeterT> welshdragon: I will start a dedicated server, if you wish? 19:13:58 <welshdragon> i'm stuck behind a corporate firewall 19:14:17 <welshdragon> PeterT: if you can 19:14:21 <PeterT> down 19:14:23 <PeterT> *done 19:14:43 <welshdragon> are we talking Trunk, or 0.7 series? 19:14:55 * Alberth gives welshdragon a sonic screw driver to punch a hole in the fire wall 19:15:56 *** DarkED [~J@cpe-069-132-093-098.carolina.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:16:49 <PeterT> welshdragon: 0.7.5-RC1 19:16:57 <welshdragon> woo 19:18:10 *** elmz_ [~elmz@dhcp-103-143.idi.ntnu.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:19:19 <PeterT> You coming? 19:19:45 <Sacro> OH YES 19:25:17 *** dlr365 [~dlr365@S010600248c02a7d3.cg.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:28:20 *** dlr365 [~dlr365@S010600248c02a7d3.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 19:42:22 <welshdragon> can I kick somebody from my company? 19:42:28 <welshdragon> (on multiplayer? 19:42:57 <Eddi|zuHause> no 19:43:21 <Eddi|zuHause> when do people understand it's not "their" company? 19:43:32 <welshdragon> PeterT: can you kick 123456 19:43:48 <PeterT> Sure, why? 19:44:08 <welshdragon> or move him to a vacant one? 19:44:18 <welshdragon> he;s not said anything 19:44:28 <welshdragon> and might be sabotaging the game 19:44:37 <PeterT> Was he doing anything bad? 19:44:38 *** dlr365 [~dlr365@S010600248c02a7d3.cg.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:44:49 <welshdragon> i don't now 19:44:54 <welshdragon> but my money fell 19:45:10 *** JVassie [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:46:08 <PeterT> Issue is resolved, i guess 19:47:09 <dihedral> there is also something like 'communication' 19:47:17 <dihedral> or moving someone to spec 19:47:21 <dihedral> setting passwords 19:47:22 <dihedral> ... 19:47:32 <frosch123> but kicking is more fun, ask tb :) 19:49:18 <dihedral> well... most fun i could think of wrt kick, move to spec, remove company and let them watch :-D 19:50:18 *** Mark [~Mark@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.0.4/2008103100]] 19:53:46 <sparrL> what network ports does openttd use? 19:54:21 <Forked> http://wiki.openttd.org/Port 19:54:22 <frosch123> @ports 19:54:22 <DorpsGek> frosch123: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication and UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advertise) communication (outbound) 19:54:55 <Eddi|zuHause> someone really should add bananas to that... 19:54:58 <frosch123> 3978 tcp is used for bananas 19:55:57 <sparrL> I am trying to get around a local firewall using a ssh tunnel to a remote machine 19:56:07 <sparrL> I know the tunnel is working, other applications on other ports are using it 19:56:23 <sparrL> but i still cant get info from a server in openttd 19:56:31 <Belugas> kicking! banning! 19:57:38 <Eddi|zuHause> sparrL: make sure you forward both tcp and udp 19:57:49 <sparrL> I am not sure how to do that 19:58:12 <Eddi|zuHause> i can't help you with that... 19:58:54 <sparrL> ok, thanks for the pointer 20:00:27 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc4-newt30-2-0-cust18.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 20:00:55 <TrueBrain> Not only in christmas time you may unpack zip files 20:01:23 <frosch123> @ports 20:01:23 <DorpsGek> frosch123: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication and UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advertise) communication (outbound) 20:01:37 <frosch123> empty :( 20:01:49 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.72.41.plusnet.pte-ag2.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 20:01:58 <frosch123> oh, wait, it was a andy 20:02:07 <TrueBrain> it always is 20:02:27 <andythenorth> what did I do this time :| 20:03:00 <TrueBrain> @reload openttd 20:03:01 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: The operation succeeded. 20:03:02 <TrueBrain> @ports 20:03:02 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication, UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advertise) communication (outbound), and TCP port 3978 for content service (bi-directional) 20:03:12 <frosch123> \o/ 20:03:25 <TrueBrain> @reload openttd 20:03:26 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: The operation succeeded. 20:03:27 <TrueBrain> @ports 20:03:27 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication, UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advertise) communication (outbound), and TCP port 3978 for content service, a.k.a. BaNaNaS (outbound) 20:03:33 <TrueBrain> it is not bi-directional :) 20:03:41 <Eddi|zuHause> i was going to ask ;) 20:03:51 <TrueBrain> we should not broadcast our trojans :) 20:06:45 <Alberth> at least we should not tell anyone :) 20:08:04 <xopek> No UDP does not play? I have a Proxy, with UDP problem ... 20:09:30 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@214.65.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 20:10:59 *** t [foobar@ip-89-102-34-194.karneval.cz] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 20:12:28 <Eddi|zuHause> xopek: you can play without udp, but you cannot get server info, and cannot run a server 20:13:44 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.72.41.plusnet.pte-ag2.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:14:39 <frosch123> http://www.openttd.org/en/servers <- get the ip form there, and add the server manually 20:15:10 <xopek> I add the server IP, get information, to connect. Then when will download maps, ottd is labeled "Registration" and a few minutes off. 20:15:43 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dbaa380.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:18:19 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.57.232.plusnet.thn-ag3.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 20:18:25 <xopek> Error "Can not load save" 20:18:55 <TrueBrain> did you download any of our official binaries? 20:19:05 *** _ln [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:19:40 <PeterT> Error "Can not load save" <-- Are you trying to load a newer save with older binaries? 20:19:44 <xopek> makes from sources from gentoo portage 20:19:53 <TrueBrain> make sure to add zlib (on by default) 20:21:41 <xopek> zlib enabled 20:21:54 <xopek> PeterT: No, I'm trying to connect to a network game. 20:23:24 <PeterT> Ah 20:23:33 <PeterT> What version? 20:23:48 <xopek> 0,7,4 20:25:09 <frosch123> what is the exact error message? 20:26:44 <xopek> err message is written in russian ... how to get it in english? :-) 20:27:04 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc4-newt30-2-0-cust18.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:27:22 <frosch123> switch language to english? 20:27:34 <xopek> how? 20:27:44 <frosch123> game options 20:28:10 <frosch123> or did the ebuild only compile one language? 20:29:17 <xopek> i don't know. in the setting of the game i do not see the option change the language... 20:30:24 <frosch123> http://wiki.openttd.org/Game_options_window 20:32:09 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc4-newt30-2-0-cust18.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 20:33:55 <xopek> could not load savegame 20:34:25 <xopek> i am looking ch lang in other options %) 20:36:00 <frosch123> well, there are three placed printing that error :p no idea :) 20:36:33 <frosch123> do you have a "network_client.tmp" in your autosave directory? 20:38:13 <xopek> there is such a file. rights to record belong to me. 20:38:42 <frosch123> you could try opening it as singleplayer, maybe that gives a more detailed message 20:38:56 <frosch123> (rename it to something.sav for that) 20:40:16 *** DJNekkid [~tmsmje@static128-249.adsl.no] has joined #openttd 20:41:22 <xopek> Game Load Failed 20:41:22 <xopek> Internal error: infliate() failed 20:41:36 <xopek> on load network_client.sav 20:41:52 * TrueBrain still votes zlib 20:41:55 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Utm Aœ - Aja 35] 20:42:59 <xopek> TrueBrain: emerge shows that ottd compiled with support for ZLib. There is any possibility to check this? 20:45:17 <frosch123> if you save a game yourself, check the first four characters in the file :) 20:45:40 <frosch123> they should be "OTTZ" with the "Z" being most important 20:45:58 <TrueBrain> Fun fact: did you know Dune2 also used chunk-based savegames? :) 20:46:29 <xopek> OTTZtx 20:48:00 <frosch123> "tx" ? are you looking with some hexeditor, or with something breaking the output 20:48:23 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.57.232.plusnet.thn-ag3.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:48:29 <xopek> cat Fanioz\ Corp.\ Ltd\,\ 2254-11-20.sav | head -n 1 20:48:31 <xopek> :-) 20:48:51 <PeterT> welshdragon: Are you still playing? 20:49:55 <welshdragon> yes 20:50:58 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.171.135] has joined #openttd 20:51:08 <PeterT> K 20:54:20 <frosch123> oh, "CAT ABUSE ! ELEVENTYONE !" 20:54:45 *** jpm [~pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has joined #openttd 20:54:47 <xopek> nothing variants? 20:57:16 <frosch123> no idea, 0.7.4 savegames start with "OTTZ" 0x00 0x74 0x00 0x00 20:57:35 <frosch123> so maybe the savegame download was incomplete 20:59:04 <xopek> So download finishes without errors like. Only then the registration fails. 21:00:02 <frosch123> well, if you cannot open "network_client.tmp", then there is something wrong 21:00:10 <TrueBrain> disk full? 21:00:12 <frosch123> you can try starting ottd with "-d 7" 21:05:08 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:06:57 * Belugas is on CutAndRage. Quite appropriate... Cuting Heads in RAge! 21:07:14 <Belugas> ooops.. wrong channel.. 21:08:43 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 21:13:56 <xopek> Broken savegame - Unknown chunk type 21:14:21 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has joined #openttd 21:14:27 <frosch123> that sounds like you try to join a not-0.7.4 server 21:15:09 <xopek> 89,187,136,89:3978 21:15:13 <xopek> 0.7.4 server 21:17:21 <Fugas> ? 21:17:24 <Fugas> this is my server 21:17:54 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f5cc8.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:23:55 *** DarkED [~J@cpe-069-132-093-098.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 21:24:19 <xopek> how to redirect output log with -d 7 to file? 21:24:37 <xopek> openttd -d 7>file.log not work... 21:25:52 <Ammler> debug goes to stderr (2>) 21:27:18 <xopek> ah. ok. 21:37:50 *** Grelouk_ [~Grelouk@246.106.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 21:39:04 <xopek> fail. 2bm logfile... :-) 21:42:12 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@2002:5ce3:55e8:1:c0e8:fa75:f83f:24b8] has joined #openttd 21:43:09 <SpComb> bm? 21:43:39 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@214.65.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:44:39 <xopek> 2mb* 21:49:13 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2002:5ce3:510b:1:c0e8:fa75:f83f:24b8] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:49:13 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 21:50:18 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 22:07:10 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Quit: ecke] 22:13:13 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@63.71.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 22:18:53 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:19:09 *** Grelouk_ [~Grelouk@246.106.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:20:59 *** Fugas [~admin@isbprachen.clnet.cz] has quit [] 22:24:25 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CB44.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:27:33 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 22:27:38 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has joined #openttd 22:28:04 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 22:31:31 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF95AC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:36:51 *** MrEmperor [~MrEmperor@cpe-65-24-145-167.columbus.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 22:37:18 <MrEmperor> I have a question 22:37:50 <MrEmperor> about upgrading from electric rail lines to monorail 22:38:17 <MrEmperor> is there any way to upgrade trains in depots without cloning them from a new one? 22:39:54 <glx> no 22:40:12 <MrEmperor> so the upgrade has to be manual? 22:40:16 <MrEmperor> oh well 22:40:19 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has joined #openttd 22:40:19 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: yexo * r18512 /trunk/src/industry_gui.cpp: -Fix (r17859) [FS#3376]: assert when clicking the industry button in the scenario editor 22:40:43 *** Chillosophy [~fu@195-241-120-76.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [] 22:40:47 <MrEmperor> thanks anyway 22:41:10 *** MrEmperor [~MrEmperor@cpe-65-24-145-167.columbus.res.rr.com] has quit [] 22:54:22 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 22:57:01 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.171.135] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:58:31 *** sparrL [~kvirc@170.190.43.192] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:59:34 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.27.6.plusnet.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 23:02:26 *** Yexo_ is now known as Yexo 23:02:41 <Yexo> stupid users 23:03:07 <fjb> That was really a FAQ. 23:03:17 <Yexo> someone actually takes the time to fill in the reported version in a bug report, but the changes it to "0.7.5-RC1" when it's actually the latest nightly 23:03:44 <fjb> :-) 23:04:15 <Yexo> had me wondering for several minutes why vs complained about not finding matching debug symbols 23:05:57 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aeja35.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 23:08:23 <Eddi|zuHause> feature request: when using the "clone vehicle" button, and that vehicle type is not available anymore, but has a replacement rule set, build that new vehicle 23:08:34 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.27.6.plusnet.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 23:08:51 <SmatZ> it would confuse people 23:09:06 <SmatZ> it would have to be some "GUI setting" 23:09:07 <SmatZ> or so 23:09:59 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think the confuse potential is that high... 23:11:16 <Eddi|zuHause> but i often had a situation that i got a "this vehicle is old" message, made a replacement rule, and thought "hey, i could use another vehicle on that route" 23:12:29 <Eddi|zuHause> and for the new vehicle i need not only copy the vehicle orders, but also refit it and put it into the matching group 23:12:50 <Eddi|zuHause> or wait for the first vehicle to get replaced, and then clone that 23:13:03 <Eddi|zuHause> both being suboptimal solutions 23:23:04 *** xorkrus [~xopknet@92.46.175.52] has joined #openttd 23:24:24 *** xopek [xorkrus@ip-67-189.interbild.net] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 23:27:24 <fjb> Autorenew was also not optimal last time I checked. When a vehicle has more than one refit option for the same carge (regiering in NARS 2, diffenrent number of passengers in Long Vehicles) the default value is chosen, not the value the vehicle was refitted to. 23:27:43 <Eddi|zuHause> fjb: that was changed recently 23:27:52 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2D9993.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Die Nützlichkeit der Götter war schon immer eine zweifelhafte Sache. Man wusste nie so genau, wie man sie wirksam einsetzen konnte, ohne dass sie gleich b] 23:28:01 <fjb> Oh, that is great news. 23:28:24 <Eddi|zuHause> it now tries to get the refit option with the same name 23:29:00 <fjb> It was really annoying with regiered locomotives. 23:29:21 *** Yexo [~Yexo@38-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:29:22 <Eddi|zuHause> i haven't tried regearing yet 23:30:27 <fjb> It is really usefull if the wagons have speed limits anyway but the train is heavy. Or if the train is light but could go faster. 23:33:38 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Quit: Flieht, ihr Narren!] 23:37:08 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, i understand how regearing works ;) 23:37:27 <Eddi|zuHause> but you might as well just offer two different engine models 23:39:47 <peter1138> or half a dozen, in some cases 23:42:09 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@63.71.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 23:44:38 <Terkhen> good night 23:44:39 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@82.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 23:44:44 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, there are different usage models. like continuos high speed vs. stop-and-go vs. continuous high load vs. shunting 23:48:22 <fjb> That is the same reason why many locomitives are regearable in reality. And you can easier reuse a regearable locomotive with another train. 23:48:37 *** xorkrus [~xopknet@92.46.175.52] has quit [Quit: http://xopkep.blogspot.com/] 23:49:16 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:51:08 <Eddi|zuHause> regearing an existing engine isn't done very often...