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00:02:50 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2002:4e34:1b71:1:911e:6f09:44ed:5f50] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:02:50 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 00:11:30 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@189.154.206-77.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 00:13:08 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F2CC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:28:17 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77C2C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:29:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... something's not right 00:29:43 <_ln> true 00:30:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> ah... forgot setting the display variable in crontab... 00:34:23 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B756F9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:35:29 *** ecke [~ecke@211.143.broadband13.iol.cz] has quit [Quit: ecke] 00:47:10 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:3514:efd4:9640:434] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:48:50 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:3514:efd4:9640:434] has joined #openttd 00:48:53 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 00:48:53 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 00:53:28 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Quit: Flieht, ihr Narren!] 00:59:31 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-211-40.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:01:47 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-211-40.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 01:12:29 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@ip4da39612.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The professional IRC Client :D] 01:14:41 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Tsch?ss] 01:15:17 *** JVassie [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:16:54 <welshdragon> 24 hours left to vote in the 2009 Unofficial TT-Forums Awards! http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=46351&p=841172#p841172 01:18:08 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:52:56 *** Cunbuntu [~Negrero@201.170.79.219.dsl.dyn.telnor.net] has joined #openttd 01:53:52 *** Cunbuntu [~Negrero@201.170.79.219.dsl.dyn.telnor.net] has quit [autokilled: Do not spam other people. Mail support@oftc.net if you feel this is in error. (2009-12-23 01:53:59)] 01:57:05 *** JVassie [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 02:19:30 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B2B8B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:21:30 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B2CCC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 02:21:33 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 02:30:21 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d57d.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:30:33 *** JVassie [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:45:43 <PeterT> Do you guys like the completely re-done MSVC Page? http://wiki.openttd.org/Microsoft_Visual_C%2B%2B_2008_Express_Editions 02:47:54 <terinjokes> AHHH! WHY? 02:48:08 <PeterT> Better info 02:48:17 <PeterT> Tutorials on using SVN and such 02:48:20 <PeterT> and make bundle 02:48:38 <terinjokes> PeterT: why MSVC? 02:48:47 <PeterT> What do you mean 'why'? 02:48:54 <PeterT> Because MSVC is a great compiler? 02:49:44 <terinjokes> ah! 02:50:01 * terinjokes hides behind a wall of abstraction 02:51:00 <PeterT> It's soooo much better than GCC 02:51:06 <PeterT> and to know that you must actually test both 02:51:19 <terinjokes> PeterT: i'll agree with that statemnt 02:51:37 <PeterT> Do you use Linux or some other OS than windows? 02:51:51 <terinjokes> PeterT: *but* I still stand behind the GCC because of what it stands for 02:52:00 <PeterT> What does it stand for, exactly? 02:52:09 <terinjokes> PeterT: I'm using Win7 Ultimate as we speak 02:52:21 <PeterT> terinjokes: Ah 02:52:26 <terinjokes> "GNU C Compiler" probably 02:52:35 <terinjokes> ;) 02:52:43 <PeterT> Oh, I thought you meant it differently 02:52:48 * PeterT neverminds 02:52:49 <terinjokes> i did 02:54:10 <Eddi|zuHause> i should make my own c compiler somewhen 02:54:18 <PeterT> I'd use it... 02:54:39 <terinjokes> i code for triple-OS support in the native windowing environment with C on linux... one can tell mingw (aka gcc) isn't really optimized for Windows (or, I have setting wrong, creating large binaries, or likely, both) 03:05:24 <terinjokes> (that's actually why I'm here) 03:24:51 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has joined #openttd 03:40:24 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 03:48:40 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 03:53:00 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:3514:efd4:9640:434] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:54:29 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-211-40.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:05:59 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:06:12 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has joined #openttd 04:43:11 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@188.109.244.80] has joined #openttd 04:47:13 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:47:35 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has joined #openttd 04:52:47 <terinjokes> Eddi|zuHause: you should write it in brainfuck inturpeted in Java (i know my spelling sucks...) 04:57:08 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:59:48 *** TheMask96 [martijn@gluttony.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:05:22 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sirius.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 05:06:00 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has joined #openttd 05:28:28 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:28:42 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has joined #openttd 06:14:31 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:14:44 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has joined #openttd 06:14:49 <rhaeder> Error: Failed to find a music set. Please acquire a music set for OpenTTD. See section 4.1 of readme.txt. 06:14:58 <rhaeder> It always worked without music :( 06:15:03 <rhaeder> I cannot disable this 06:15:08 <rhaeder> morning all ;) 06:28:45 <Rubidium> how did you compile/install that? 06:30:45 *** DarkED [~J@cpe-075-176-105-070.carolina.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:31:13 *** worldemar [~woldemar@188.122.226.133] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:46:29 *** worldemar [~woldemar@62.106.119.125] has joined #openttd 06:50:34 <rhaeder> hi. sorry, was writing a shell script for ease download of nightlies :) 06:51:04 <rhaeder> ./configure --with-zlib --with-png --with-freetype --with-fontconfig --with-iconv --with-makedepend --enable-debug=3 --prefix-dir=/opt/ 06:51:18 <rhaeder> or are these --with-foo not required to set? 06:53:03 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18609 /trunk/Makefile.bundle.in: -Fix (r18608): installing of obm files didn't quite happen 06:53:20 <Rubidium> I'd leave out with-makedepend because makedepend is known to bork on OpenTTD 06:53:35 <rhaeder> ok 06:53:49 <Rubidium> you must keep --with-iconv (if you really want to use it), because that's not automatically selected 06:54:02 <Rubidium> and the other --withs should be automatically detected 06:54:34 <rhaeder> ./configure --enable-debug=3 --prefix-dir=/opt/ should be enougth for max debug build to /opt/ 06:54:40 <Rubidium> if you did use make install with r18608 then music would probably be broken 06:54:58 <rhaeder> in /opt/ I have write permission (gave myself) so I don't need $ su -c "make install" ;) 06:55:19 <Rubidium> rhaeder: yes, as long as you don't need iconv (which I've only seen needed by gentoo and OSX) 06:55:42 <rhaeder> what is that for? translation? 06:56:14 <Rubidium> file name conversion from different... uhm... ways of encoding special characters 06:56:31 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:56:43 *** spader [~terin@ip72-196-123-143.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #openttd 06:58:04 <rhaeder> ah, I recall :) 06:58:23 <rhaeder> like UTF-8<->ISO<->WINDOWS-1252 for example 06:58:41 *** terinjokes [~terin@ip72-196-123-143.ga.at.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:00:41 <rhaeder> works again :D 07:00:43 <rhaeder> thx 07:04:38 <rhaeder> downloader is finished: http://www.pastebin.org/68051 07:04:40 <rhaeder> :) 07:15:39 <rhaeder> ok, see you later 07:15:48 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:37:39 *** spader [~terin@ip72-196-123-143.ga.at.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Wikinews, the Free News Source] 07:49:55 *** ecke [~ecke@211.143.broadband13.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 07:50:05 *** nfc [nfc@cable-hvk-fe7ede00-156.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 08:04:08 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@188.109.244.80] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:05:16 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 08:09:16 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-24-12-4-37.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:35:22 *** ecke [~ecke@211.143.broadband13.iol.cz] has quit [Quit: ecke] 08:40:55 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-24-12-4-37.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 08:51:58 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18610 /trunk/src/music.cpp: -Codechange: don't consider a music set at all for 'best' set when it's missing files 09:07:15 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d199-126-251-5.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:09:05 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18611 /trunk/src/fileio.cpp: -Fix (r18608): uppercase-to-lowercase conversion when opening a file wasn't applied when finding the full path of a file 09:20:55 *** JVassie [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:33:26 *** Computech [~pvanos@cable-126-18.zeelandnet.nl] has joined #openttd 09:36:52 *** pavel1269 [~pavel1269@r2ao16.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 09:37:30 *** Computech [~pvanos@cable-126-18.zeelandnet.nl] has quit [] 09:50:04 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F19A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:12:56 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: alberth * r18612 /trunk/src/build_vehicle_gui.cpp: -Fix [FS#3407]: Buy vehicle window did not properly disable panel drawing while shaded. 10:19:13 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2002:55b0:fc6d:1:911e:6f09:44ed:5f50] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 10:22:58 *** Zuu [Zuu@c-7df5e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 10:32:21 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@31.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 10:34:30 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:37:37 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 10:39:48 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:49:49 *** Muxy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 10:50:59 *** Henrie [~Henrie@i60195.upc-i.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 10:54:43 *** Henrie [~Henrie@i60195.upc-i.chello.nl] has quit [] 10:54:55 *** Henrie [~Henrie@i60195.upc-i.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 10:59:39 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 11:01:11 *** thingwath [~thingwath@r10lq22.net.upc.cz] has quit [Quit: R 666.] 11:21:50 *** orava [~rain@a88-114-49-198.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 11:22:58 <orava> hi. my server is saying "Client #86 is slow, try increasing *net_frame_freq to a higher value!" where I can increase this? can't find it in openttd.cfg 11:24:23 <Alberth> perhaps in the console? 11:24:45 <orava> isint there any file where I can do it? 11:25:01 <orava> oh, yeah, ofccourse : ) 11:25:02 <Alberth> no idea 11:25:33 <orava> so how I can see which value is it now and how much I must increase it? 11:26:19 <Alberth> start with 'help' 11:27:12 <Alberth> I never use the console, I am not even sure the variable is there, but it is about the only other place where it can be 11:27:52 <Eddi|zuHause> it probably got renamed, but the console will know the old and the new name 11:28:16 <orava> there is net_frame_freg and default was 1, so I increased it to 10 11:28:40 <orava> have no idea what it mean but hopefully it helps : P 11:32:02 <SpComb^> 10 sounds a bit high 11:32:22 <orava> it's like "joining timeout"? : P 11:33:15 <Eddi|zuHause> no, it's like "process player commands only every X ticks" [so high values make the game less responsive] 11:33:37 <Eddi|zuHause> only increase it in steps of 1 11:34:46 <orava> and secondly, I want to increase max loan higher than ingame settings allow, so can I just increase it from openttd.cfg or do I have to use "diff custom's" ? 11:35:11 <Eddi|zuHause> that's not possible 11:35:58 <Eddi|zuHause> the same limits are enforced from the gui and the config 11:36:26 <Eddi|zuHause> so setting higher values will be ignored 11:38:21 <orava> oh, thought it was possible : / 11:41:06 <orava> does those console variables reset when restart a game or are they written to file? 11:46:08 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:49:36 <SpComb^> orava: some are saved in the savegame, others are loaded from openttd.cfg 11:49:42 <SpComb^> you can write it out with saveconfig 11:50:35 <orava> SpComb^: ok 11:53:55 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2002:55b0:fc6d:1:d8d0:e56a:f0f1:b4df] has joined #openttd 11:55:03 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has joined #openttd 12:08:45 *** Henrie [~Henrie@i60195.upc-i.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: Henrie] 12:11:31 *** neli [micha@88.159.211.247] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:15:37 *** George3 [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 12:16:48 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 12:22:50 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:31:50 *** neli [micha@88.159.211.247] has joined #openttd 12:36:11 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dbabcd0.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 12:38:28 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 12:40:07 *** orava [~rain@a88-114-49-198.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has left #openttd [Leaving.] 12:50:44 <planetmaker> my understanding that there's only one joint pool for stations and waypoints is correct, or? 12:50:53 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9543.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:51:13 <Eddi|zuHause> after the latest "make everything the same" spree, i presume yes 12:51:54 <Eddi|zuHause> but you don't need to correct every single of HIS rants :p 12:53:25 <planetmaker> :-P 12:55:08 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:56:59 <peter1138> ? 12:57:41 <planetmaker> mr vapourware rants and talks w/o getting straight the facts. 12:58:14 <planetmaker> and of course TTDP's concepts are far more advanced and thought through :-P 12:58:58 <peter1138> well he only posts on the german forum now doesn't he? 12:59:27 <planetmaker> yes. There (most) people don't contradict him and he's the king 12:59:48 <planetmaker> there he gets the awe he obviously thinks he deserves 13:01:33 <planetmaker> mostly as there are only uwe, eddi, frosch, addi and myself (did I forget anyone?) who know a bit more about the internals. 13:01:44 <planetmaker> well. 4mmler 13:04:48 <planetmaker> many others still think that the miniIN is better than current nightlies :-P That speaks for itself :-P 13:05:27 <SmatZ> for people who can't live without diagonal level crossings, miniIN is better than trunk ;) 13:05:48 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has joined #openttd 13:06:05 <peter1138> many people (in the UK) read the daily mail... 13:09:33 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@2002:55b0:fc6d:1:d8d0:e56a:f0f1:b4df] has joined #openttd 13:09:33 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2002:55b0:fc6d:1:d8d0:e56a:f0f1:b4df] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:09:34 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 13:17:06 *** MyCatSchemes [~mycatverb@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:27:12 *** MyCatSchemes [~mycatverb@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:36:35 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:1cf5:7ea7:4848:874d] has joined #openttd 13:36:39 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:37:45 <Belugas> hello 13:48:36 <Zuu> planetmaker: on some of the smaller non-official forums you can always find interesting opinions on how and why things work. :-) 13:48:43 <Zuu> Hello Belugas 13:48:57 <Zuu> At work just before Christmas? 13:49:23 <Belugas> you bet i am :( 13:49:59 <Zuu> I guess you at least have a lot of space at the office. :-) 13:50:55 <peter1138> http://www.futureofmusicbook.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/software.jpg 13:52:01 <Belugas> nope, Zuu 13:52:12 <Belugas> everyone is there, apart one guy 13:52:51 *** kratt [~kaka@80-235-48-180-dsl.kjj.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 13:52:53 <Eddi|zuHause> you poor people... 13:53:19 <Belugas> peter1138. that's almost a dream machine :) 13:53:53 <Zuu> Oh, I visited the company I'll make my thesis at yesterday and it was not a lot of people there. Especially the systems department only had a few people there. :-) 13:54:03 <pavel1269> I think "reason" is better :-) 13:54:28 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@246.155.88-79.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 13:58:30 <Belugas> note that i have a boss at home too. JUst that.. i dno't know which wok i like best... home work or work work... 13:59:02 <peter1138> music work 13:59:27 <Belugas> oh yeah ! 14:00:57 <Belugas> http://cgi.ebay.ca/Boss-GT-Pro-GT-Pro-GTPro-Guitar-Effects-Processor_W0QQitemZ200417196855QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item2ea9cbbb37 14:00:59 <Belugas> miam 14:01:10 <Belugas> but ooochy pricey 14:09:15 <peter1138> ooh 14:13:10 *** welshdragon is now known as Guest140 14:13:11 *** welshdragon [~markmac@client-86-27-136-83.winn.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 14:14:02 *** ccfreak2k [~ccfreak2k@lvps83-169-3-115.dedicated.hosteurope.de] has quit [Quit: changing servers] 14:15:40 <Belugas> i guess the other way around is to turn to asio digital processing... 14:16:08 *** Mark [~Mark@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 14:18:50 *** Guest140 [~markmac@client-82-26-159-234.pete.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:32:01 *** MyCatSchemes [~mycatverb@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:33:24 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@31.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 14:39:04 <Ammler> if I build openttd locally, it doesn't scan /usr/share/.../data, is that intended ? 14:41:42 <Ammler> ok, solved, forgot about local (/usr/local/...) 14:42:53 <peter1138> Belugas, cheaper, but less satisfaction 14:43:06 *** MyCatSchemes [~mycatverb@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:43:06 <peter1138> Belugas, and you have to fuck around with a mouse instead of fiddling with knobs 14:44:08 <Belugas> mmmh... 14:44:10 <Belugas> right 14:47:27 <Belugas> well.. knobs.. on the floor... not too easy either ;) 14:48:11 * Belugas has to practice a bit more knobs manipulation with feet 14:52:43 <Eddi|zuHause> is it an undo knob? :p 14:53:36 <Belugas> lol 14:53:56 *** MyCatSchemes [~mycatverb@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:56:06 <Belugas> good joke, Eddi|zuHause, very good onoe :D 14:56:31 <kratt> how to make crossover to main lines 14:56:36 <Eddi|zuHause> well, it occasionally could come in handy with music :p 14:57:21 <Belugas> yeah.. i wish i had one from time to time... 14:57:25 <kratt> i have double 2 line mainway 14:57:47 <Eddi|zuHause> kratt: you might want to look at the ottdcoop wiki 15:01:10 <kratt> there is too massive crossovers 15:01:15 <kratt> i want littlebit smaller 15:01:36 <SirSquidness> Is there any practical/easy way to get a 'slow' signal state, where if the signal ahead is red, the first signal will slow the train to n% speed? 15:01:48 <Eddi|zuHause> they also have ones for branch lines 15:02:21 <Eddi|zuHause> SirSquidness: there are a few unfinished attempts and very old ones 15:02:32 <SirSquidness> Eddi|zuHause: anything worth bothing with? 15:04:04 *** Grelouk_ [~Grelouk@83.96.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 15:04:27 <Eddi|zuHause> SirSquidness: i'd try http://www.icosahedron.de/openttd/patches/ 15:04:42 <Eddi|zuHause> there "advance signals v2" and the "slowdown hack" 15:10:06 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@246.155.88-79.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:10:26 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:10:30 <SirSquidness> I'm going to assume I have to compile advanecd_signals_v2.patch and advance_slowdown_hack.diff, which I have no idea how to do 15:11:02 <SirSquidness> and since it's 2:10AM, I'll put it in the too hard basket and come back another day 15:11:05 <SirSquidness> but thanks anyawy =) 15:13:19 <Eddi|zuHause> SirSquidness: it's loosely based on this suggestion http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=38871 15:15:34 <SirSquidness> That's pretty much exactly the thing I'm thinking of 15:15:51 <SirSquidness> except instead of having a pre signal and the signal itself, just every signal does presignalling and signalling 15:16:53 <Eddi|zuHause> it has some flaws, like having two trains follow each other in close distance... 15:16:55 <kratt> can somebody join my game i made and help me with my issue? 15:17:25 <SirSquidness> true, Eddi|zuHause , but if you have a mainline with a slower train leading a faster train, that faster train is going to be stopping every few signals slowing everything behind it down again 15:17:25 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i have bad news: http://communityneu.klz.apa.net/static/sites/superklass/media/xmas-cancelled.jpg 15:17:38 <SirSquidness> kratt: I can, depending on what version you're running 15:17:49 <kratt> 0.74 15:17:50 <Eddi|zuHause> i know the problem, SirSquidness 15:17:57 <SirSquidness> Eddi|zuHause: dammit, I just spent 0 on christmas crap today. 15:18:56 <kratt> sirsquidness game name is UDU Battlegrounds 15:18:59 <kratt> and you should see it 15:19:00 <SirSquidness> is the snapshot from two or three nights ago backwards compatible with 0.74? 15:19:23 <Eddi|zuHause> SirSquidness: not multiplayer-compatible 15:19:40 <SirSquidness> didn't think so 15:19:42 <SirSquidness> I can't help then 15:19:51 <SirSquidness> well, not as suited to help than other 15:19:52 <SirSquidness> s 15:20:09 <SirSquidness> oh wait.. I have the zip of 0.74. I can help after all. 15:20:44 <kratt> i thought you had 0.7.4 and the nighty both 15:22:50 <SirSquidness> kratt: I'm in 15:24:40 <kratt> k 15:26:29 *** bartaway is now known as bartavelle 15:28:57 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has joined #openttd 15:29:03 *** AC6000 [~AC6000@55-210.127-70.tampabay.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 15:29:09 *** bartavelle is now known as bartaway 15:29:27 * AC6000 pokes Jonty-comp 15:31:24 *** bartaway is now known as bartavelle 15:32:03 *** bartavelle is now known as bartaway 15:49:11 *** worldemar [~woldemar@62.106.119.125] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:49:14 <pavel1269> Q: why does trains reverse even with wait_oneway_signal = 255, i must also set to 255 wait_for_pbs_path? 15:50:40 <Ammler> yep, disable all 15:53:09 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f6ec7.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 15:55:53 <kratt> mh 15:56:29 <kratt> join UDU Battlegrounds 16:00:47 <AC6000> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/8428097.stm :P 16:00:58 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:01:26 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9543.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:03:16 <pavel1269> nice :-) 16:03:49 <planetmaker> those folks who use OpenGFX might want to consider updating to 0.2.1 :-) 16:07:31 <Zuu> pm: sure 16:08:10 <peter1138> did you fix the text ;) 16:08:52 <planetmaker> this time I think I did :-) 16:09:09 <planetmaker> I updated my release procedures... and they should be less error-prone now 16:09:35 *** worldemar [~woldemar@188.122.241.142] has joined #openttd 16:12:09 <peter1138> yup 16:12:13 <peter1138> "OpenGFX 0.2.1" 16:13:38 <planetmaker> :-) Uff 16:16:19 *** AC6000 [~AC6000@55-210.127-70.tampabay.res.rr.com] has left #openttd [] 16:36:47 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has quit [Quit: Ping timeout: 540 seconds] 16:42:08 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has joined #openttd 17:01:57 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dbabcd0.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:19:19 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f6ec7.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:22:38 *** ecke [~ecke@211.143.broadband13.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 17:30:10 *** worldemar [~woldemar@188.122.241.142] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:34:16 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18613 /trunk/src/crashlog.cpp: -Codechange: add the music set to the crashlog too 17:48:34 *** worldemar [~woldemar@188.122.228.9] has joined #openttd 17:48:58 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sirius.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:55:32 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sloth.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 17:57:22 *** jonty-comp is now known as jonty-pie 17:57:59 *** jonty-pie is now known as jonty-comp 17:59:46 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r18614 /trunk/src/viewport.cpp: -Fix [FS#3412](r18602): too many signs were drawn, causing slowdowns 17:59:46 *** ChoHag [~mking@lego.monnsta.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:05:06 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@38.96.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 18:11:18 *** Grelouk_ [~Grelouk@83.96.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:12:09 *** Hirundo is now known as holy_shit 18:12:41 *** holy_shit is now known as Hirundo 18:24:01 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:26:30 *** thingwath [~thingwath@88.83.164.57] has joined #openttd 18:29:46 *** MyCatSchemes [~mycatverb@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:33:14 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has joined #openttd 18:43:50 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18615 /trunk/src/order_cmd.cpp: -Fix: conditional orders were seen as 'valid' and as such aircraft with only conditional orders did not crash 18:43:56 *** DarkED [~J@cpe-075-176-105-070.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 18:45:17 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18616 /trunk/src/aircraft_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#3413]: crash when the current order is a conditional order when a plane is checking whether it needs servicing 18:45:56 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r18617 /trunk/src/lang/ (13 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) 18:45:56 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:56 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: catalan - 21 changes by arnau 18:45:56 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: croatian - 36 changes by 18:45:57 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: dutch - 6 changes by habell 18:45:57 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: finnish - 6 changes by jpx_ 18:45:59 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: french - 6 changes by glx 18:53:44 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9543.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:04:49 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Quit: Flieht, ihr Narren!] 19:06:21 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d199-126-251-5.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 19:07:58 *** DarkED [~J@cpe-075-176-105-070.carolina.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:11:32 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9543.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:15:56 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9543.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:19:40 <planetmaker> damn. there have been untranslated strings :-( 19:20:44 <planetmaker> and there have been many changes by an anonymous croation native speaker :-P 19:29:32 *** murr4y [~murray@11.84-49-64.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 19:36:41 *** ecke [~ecke@211.143.broadband13.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:45:24 <Belugas> space 19:45:28 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:45:29 <Belugas> his nsame is space 19:49:14 *** PeterT [~PeterT@c-76-19-211-40.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:53:56 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2D99D4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:54:26 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has joined #openttd 19:56:16 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18618 /branches/0.7/ (7 files in 5 dirs): [0.7] -Update: documentation for 0.7.5 20:01:25 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18619 /tags/0.7.5/ (9 files in 3 dirs): -Release: 0.7.5 20:06:07 <kratt> what is a traction or something like hat 20:06:10 <kratt> for train 20:06:14 <kratt> KN 20:08:08 <SpComb^> boo 20:08:10 <Belugas> wooof wooof 20:08:41 <SpComb^> crash when removing a waypoint, although perhaps its just r18495 20:09:27 <kratt> and what are those new signals 20:09:42 <kratt> <-> and its red 20:09:56 <PeterT> Wiki done: http://wiki.openttd.org/OpenTTD_0.7.5#0.7.5_.282009-12-23.29 20:10:36 <Rubidium> 18495 or 18495M? 20:10:49 <SpComb^> 18495M 20:11:11 <SpComb^> more specifically, segfault when viewing what used to be the waypoint :P 20:12:38 *** Zuu [Zuu@c-7df5e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:16:33 <PeterT> Warning when compiling 0.7.5: http://paste.openttd.org/220728 20:22:03 <SmatZ> PeterT: known, not our fault 20:22:15 <PeterT> Whos fault? 20:22:19 <SmatZ> gcc's fault 20:22:21 <PeterT> Ah 20:22:24 <SmatZ> and not the only one :-p 20:22:33 <PeterT> Is there something other than GCC on Linux Ubuntu? 20:22:38 <SmatZ> icc 20:23:03 <SmatZ> and several other compilers :-p 20:23:30 <Rubidium> just read the code it warns on 20:24:12 <SmatZ> llvm-c, tcc, tendra, watcom... 20:25:57 <PeterT> SmatZ: What do you use? 20:27:33 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@31.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 20:28:33 <SmatZ> PeterT: mostly gcc 4.3, but sometimes I test compilation with gcc 4.5 and icc 11 20:29:12 <PeterT> Ah 20:29:29 <PeterT> When do binaries get on the site after a stable release? 20:30:11 <glx> same delay as nightlies (once CF triggered) 20:30:28 <PeterT> Ah 20:30:41 <PeterT> That will be tommorow, no? 20:31:12 <Rubidium> ~5 minutes after the OSX compile has finished 20:31:37 <PeterT> Hm 20:33:38 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has joined #openttd 20:34:02 <PeterT> http://wiki.openttd.org/Roadmap_0.10 <-- Hm, so there will be an 0.10? 20:35:23 *** Zuu [Zuu@c-7df5e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 20:44:42 <planetmaker> There'll be a 0.A 20:45:09 <planetmaker> A EUR |N 20:50:41 *** Kharza [~thartika@hytti.uku.fi] has joined #openttd 20:54:06 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:56:21 <SpComb^> now I have a waypoint I can't remove until I patch in the crash-fix :( 21:00:46 <planetmaker> uh? 21:18:09 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-212-153.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 21:24:00 *** PeterT [~PeterT@c-76-19-211-40.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:30:07 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Quit: AS A VAGINA ONCE SAID: <yorick> SOMEONE BAN HIM] 21:31:11 <Zuu> planetmaker: 0.A will probably cause problem with the regex schemas in OpenTTDAU. 21:32:23 <Zuu> Though, it would not be impossible to support such versions when it is time for that. 21:36:59 *** Zuu [Zuu@c-7df5e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:37:13 *** Zuu [Zuu@c-7df5e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 21:41:09 *** Tulitomaatti [tt@moeru.eu] has joined #openttd 21:42:41 <Tulitomaatti> i tried searching around but failed to find it; how can i increase the tolerance for clients not responding (due a slow, wireless connection)? (I get the client getting dropped by the server because it did not respond for 4 game days) 21:43:26 <Tulitomaatti> -> is there some openttd.cfg variable i missed or can this be set from the server console? 21:45:11 <Rubidium> 4 game days = 10 seconds, which basically means the client is lagging at least 10 seconds 21:46:28 <Rubidium> and those 4 game days are hardcoded in the source 21:46:44 <Tulitomaatti> ouch :< 21:47:07 <Tulitomaatti> i guess i just have to wait for a christmas eve some year when i get 3G coverance to this area 21:47:33 <Rubidium> and if the game lags 4 game days it means that if you click to build something on a client it takes 10 seconds before it is actually build 21:47:46 <Rubidium> which I reckon means it's not playable anymore 21:48:03 <Zuu> 3G is still quite long latence times compared to wired internet. 21:48:37 <Tulitomaatti> but way faster than gprs or edge. ircing is still tolerable but i guess the latency jumps when ottd starts syncing in and out 21:49:22 <Zuu> well, speed is probably not the main problem as soon as the boot strap is over and you have joined a game. 21:52:52 <Tulitomaatti> might be. the best i've got is that i have time to build 1 station or so before it drops the client 21:55:27 <Zuu> As far as I know the speed improvement in 3G is basically that you have more symbols per time unit. Eg. you can transmitt more bits per symbol, but each symbol take the same time to transmitt. Of course in a long package that means that the end of the package will reach the reciever faster, but it doesn't affect the latence times really. 21:56:34 <Zuu> Another improvement in 3G is that it can handle handovers without disconnecting the transmission/call etc. in the handover process. So if you play on the train etc. then you would benefit from that. 21:56:54 <Zuu> (handover = connect to another base station) 21:57:46 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:58:43 <Rubidium> oh, that reminds me: the 100 Mbps connection to the moon can't be used to play OpenTTD 21:59:25 <Rubidium> http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/315683/nasa_speeds_moon_communication_near_real-time/ (oh, sorry... 100 MBps) 21:59:28 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:59:34 <Tulitomaatti> poor astronauts 21:59:59 <SmatZ> there goes the hope of Earth-Mars multiplayer :( 22:03:40 *** Grelouk_ [~Grelouk@220.101.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 22:04:32 *** Grelouk_ [~Grelouk@220.101.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [] 22:06:29 <Tulitomaatti> they'll invent something. 22:06:41 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has joined #openttd 22:07:00 <Tulitomaatti> light speed communication could be tolerable in an earth-mars civilization game :_D or other turn-based things. 22:07:20 <SmatZ> hehe 22:08:26 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has joined #openttd 22:10:03 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@38.96.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:10:19 <Belugas> night all 22:10:21 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:10:28 <Belugas> time to dream about some new toys... 22:11:51 *** pavel1269 [~pavel1269@r2ao16.net.upc.cz] has quit [Quit: ^^] 22:19:47 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 22:21:34 <DaleStan> peter1138, Belugas, Rubidium: Did any of you authorize Geo.'s recent edits to the TTDPatch wiki, or have any of you seen anything about them on the forums? (Daylength-related NewGRF changes) I'm kinda curious which developer has promised him that. Or, possibly, if he put it there because he wants it and he thinks that will get "someone" to implement his wishes. 22:21:34 <DaleStan> I'm rather tempted to revert them with a comment to the effect of "No TTDPatch or OpenTTD developer is working or has ever worked on this." but I *really* don't want to do that and then be proven wrong. 22:23:13 <peter1138> not me 22:24:02 <peter1138> seems a bloody stupid place to put it anyway 22:24:55 *** PeterT [~PeterT@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 22:25:01 <peter1138> ah, and var 26 22:25:09 <Rubidium> george wants support for $random daylength implementation and seems to be happy with a variable that has absolutely no defined meaning 22:25:58 <Rubidium> he wanted to reserve some number so 'all' patches could give their $random value there 22:26:13 <Rubidium> ofcourse that's going to cause a mess, but apparantly he doesn't quite care 22:27:39 <Rubidium> and lots of people pitched in and gave their comments on it not being future proof 22:29:38 <Rubidium> anyhow, there is no OpenTTD developer with the intention to add the variable to OpenTTD's NewGRF code 22:34:14 <Terkhen> good night 22:34:16 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@31.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 22:35:11 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:39:27 *** PeterT [~PeterT@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:41:19 *** welshdragon [~markmac@client-86-27-136-83.winn.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 22:41:59 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18620 /trunk/src/window.cpp: -Fix: possible deadlock with SDL and changing the resolution in-game 22:42:53 *** welshdragon [~markmac@client-86-27-136-83.winn.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 22:44:13 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has joined #openttd 22:50:08 *** Mark [~Mark@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Go on, try it!] 23:00:35 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18621 /trunk/os/windows/installer/install.nsi: -Fix: [Windows] obm files didn't get deleted by the installer; update download size of OpenSFX. 23:09:58 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18622 /trunk/ (14 files in 10 dirs): -Merge: release changes 23:12:27 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has quit [Quit: Ping timeout: 540 seconds] 23:13:13 *** Zuu [Zuu@c-7df5e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:15:17 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18623 /tags/1.0.0-beta1/ (6 files in 5 dirs): -Release: 1.0.0-beta1; Merry Christmas! Many thans to everyone who has made this possible. 23:16:36 <planetmaker> Congratz to all who made it possible! And have a merry Christmas :-) and good night 23:24:50 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18624 /extra/website/frontpage/templates/frontpage/download.html: [Website] -Change: mention OpenGFX/OpenSFX on the download page 23:27:33 *** PeterT [~PeterT@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 23:33:56 <Eddi|zuHause> finally this damn discussion is over ;) 23:35:01 <PeterT> 0.1.0-beta 1!!! 23:35:25 <PeterT> *1.0.0 23:40:42 <SpComb^> you're joking :o 23:40:48 <SpComb^> I hope it's got cargodist i nit! 23:40:48 <PeterT> Nope 23:41:05 <glx> it's a promoted nightly ;) 23:41:28 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 23:41:32 <PeterT> :-D 23:42:06 <SpComb^> huh 23:43:02 <PeterT> It's just a nightly that's called a release 23:43:13 <SpComb^> well, I've wanted to ask George about the ECS-daylength things as well 23:43:17 <SpComb^> never quite understood what the issue was 23:43:36 <PeterT> I'm making Windows Binaries and Installers 23:43:50 <PeterT> glx: Can I post them on Thread of Randomness? 23:44:11 <glx> PeterT: don't do it :) 23:44:17 <PeterT> Got it :-) 23:44:44 <SpComb^> so is this 1.0.0 a oh-yay-OpenFGFX-is-ready release? 23:45:20 <Rubidium> PeterT: please make a windows binary and installer of *each* trunk revision and post that in the thread of randomness 23:45:41 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 23:46:04 <PeterT> Rubidium: Hmm, you can make installers for a trunk revision? 23:46:31 <glx> we can, but we won't :) 23:47:14 <Eddi|zuHause> am i right that beta1 will appear in download-testing when done? 23:47:24 <glx> yup 23:50:46 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:55:18 *** JVassie [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:55:24 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2D99D4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Die Nützlichkeit der Götter war schon immer eine zweifelhafte Sache. 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