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00:01:16 <Phazorx> Rubidium: i sort of echoed it 00:01:25 <Phazorx> but it fails even on single item 00:01:40 <Phazorx> build/effect_position.lo: ./effect_position.c /bin/sh ./libtool --mode=compile gcc -g -O2 -D_GNU_SOURCE=1 -D_GNU_SOURCE=1 -Dmain=SDL_main -Ic:/mingw/include/SDL -DWAV_MUSIC -DMID_MUSIC -DUSE_TIMIDITY_MIDI -I./timidity -DUSE_NATIVE_MIDI -I./native_midi -DOGG_MUSIC -MMD -MT $@ -c $< -o $@ \ 00:01:54 <Phazorx> that already has "multiple targets in it" apparently 00:02:06 <Phazorx> could be -Ic:/mingw/include/SDL part 00:02:13 <Phazorx> it does look weird to me 00:02:27 <Phazorx> but mingw apparently doesnt mind paths like that 00:06:58 *** KenjiE20|LT [~KenjiE20@host86-166-26-81.range86-166.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 00:08:30 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.22.170.238] has quit [Quit: ????] 00:11:06 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DB6D8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Regel Nr. 1: Jeder hört auf mein Kommando! - Regel Nr. 2: Jeder bleibt auf dem Weg! - Regel Nr. 3: ... ... Der, der bläht, als hinterster geht!] 00:12:00 <Phazorx> err 00:12:10 <Phazorx> in same damn makefile 00:12:45 <Phazorx> $(OBJECTS:.lo=.d) << is that a proper var name? 00:16:30 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:30:25 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-98-223-99-209.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:32:20 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B74BCA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:32:49 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77BC4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:37:01 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FFD0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:43:47 *** Chrill [~chrischri@h-16-169.A149.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [] 00:46:31 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-24-12-4-37.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 00:51:01 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has joined #openttd 00:51:45 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55928dd9.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:01:42 <PeterT> win32 binary link for r18849 is broken :-( 01:02:44 <Phazorx> http://paste2.org/p/618211 01:02:53 <Phazorx> does this looks kosher? 01:02:57 <Yexo> PeterT: what link is broken? 01:03:13 <Yexo> there shouldn't be a link to the win32 binary for r18849 01:03:13 <PeterT> r18849 win32 binary 01:03:23 <PeterT> why? 01:03:31 <Yexo> because the nightly failed to compile 01:03:32 <PeterT> why couldn't it compile today? 01:03:34 <Yexo> due to some cf problems 01:03:43 <PeterT> cf? 01:03:49 <PeterT> what is that short for? 01:03:51 <Yexo> compile farm 01:04:09 <PeterT> oh 01:05:45 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2002:4e34:2534:1:a87f:532:49fc:775d] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 01:05:46 <PeterT> where is the compile farm located? 01:07:42 <Eoin> compile land# 01:17:35 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x3ef3a1bd.virnxx14.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:18:57 <PeterT> nooo 01:19:13 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Tsch?ss] 01:20:21 *** zzero 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-Codechange: record compiler name and version in the crash log 10:16:14 *** WizzleBLincoln [~wizzleby@pool-108-2-20-35.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:36:12 *** PierreW [sbnc@get-free-money-to-poker-with-at.no-deposit.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:36:58 *** PierreW [sbnc@get-free-money-to-poker-with-at.no-deposit.info] has joined #openttd 10:38:54 <Phazorx> anyone with mingw clue can help me with this: http://paste2.org/p/618601? 10:44:50 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c509.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 10:49:02 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-18-216.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: Icebears are cute. 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I have absolutely no idea 14:57:59 <Phazorx> 2 particular questis are how can i emaulate ./configure --prefix behavior 14:58:10 <Phazorx> and how can i pass -pg to compiler with it 14:58:24 <Rubidium> you're better off asking in a channel dedicated to cmake 14:58:44 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: smatz * r18861 /trunk/src/ (genworld.cpp genworld.h genworld_gui.cpp): -Doc: more doxygen documentation in genworld files 14:59:20 <Phazorx> Rubidium: if there would be one with active people in it.. 15:00:07 <Rubidium> try a kde development channel; it's using cmake 15:01:44 *** welshdragon [~markmac@149.254.182.159] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 15:01:58 <Maedhros> Phazorx: i think you're looking for CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX 15:02:27 <Maedhros> Phazorx: which you can specify as something like `cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr/local` 15:03:39 <KenjiE20> I've seen it as -DPREFIX=/path/to/install 15:04:07 <Phazorx> Maedhros: i tried set(prefix blah), prefix=blah cmake and cmake prefix=blah 15:04:09 <Phazorx> neither worked 15:04:15 <Phazorx> let's try -d one now 15:04:44 <KenjiE20> -dprefix is the one I used for building weechat-dev 15:06:29 <Phazorx> also... is there a dirrective to update the config? 15:06:46 <Phazorx> because rm CMakeCache each time is kinda silly 15:07:46 <Phazorx> wee 15:07:59 <Phazorx> -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX worked 15:08:04 <Phazorx> how about compiler flags? 15:09:34 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-200-075.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 15:10:01 <Maedhros> Phazorx: CMAKE_C_FLAGS and CMAKE_CXX_FLAGS 15:10:25 <Maedhros> this page might help: http://www.itk.org/Wiki/CMake_Useful_Variables 15:10:55 <Phazorx> Maedhros: i read that one 15:11:08 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-210-165.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 15:11:12 <Phazorx> it ha lots of info but it evades me how can i use most of it to my advantage 15:11:58 <Phazorx> as in do i use SET or -D woth these 15:12:09 <Phazorx> i guess -D is safer way since it just shown it works 15:12:16 <Maedhros> you can use both, i think 15:12:54 <Phazorx> Maedhros: set (blah) and blah cmake ... both failed before i asked here :| 15:13:16 <Phazorx> i did do it slighty different tho 15:13:44 <Phazorx> since it supports different build modes i tried to force debug build while specifying debug complile flags 15:13:55 <Phazorx> so it could have failed on either of these 2 spots :/ 15:15:50 <Phazorx> grr 15:16:05 <Phazorx> there is no *FLAG* in makefile at all 15:17:06 <PeterT> jesus you're still compiling that? 15:17:37 <Phazorx> PeterT: what do you mean that? 15:17:48 <PeterT> Weren't you doing this yesterday? 15:19:13 <Phazorx> compiling ys 15:19:14 <Phazorx> same thing no 15:19:26 <Phazorx> and i tell you more 15:19:32 <Phazorx> most of people you see in this chan 15:19:32 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@7.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 15:19:42 <Phazorx> been compiling for about 1/3 of their lives! 15:20:53 <Terkhen> hello 15:22:23 <PeterT> Hi Terkhen 15:24:11 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:24:24 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has joined #openttd 15:29:21 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77BC4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:29:26 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B76420.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:30:59 * Maedhros cries 15:31:14 <Maedhros> 10 Kelvin does not equal 7.27 degrees C 15:31:34 <Maedhros> how on earth did they miss this one? 15:31:52 <blathijs> Hm? Another space shuttle crash? :-) 15:32:00 <peter1138> ? 15:32:28 <Maedhros> trying to tell our diffractometer control software the temperature of a sample 15:32:38 <Maedhros> at least specifying it in centigrade appears to work 15:33:41 <planetmaker> ? @ Maedhros 15:34:26 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 15:34:28 *** Bluelight [~Ivan@170.80-203-76.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 15:34:34 <Eddi|zuHause> they're only like 260 degrees off :p 15:34:41 <Eddi|zuHause> that's nothing in astronomical scale :p 15:35:02 <jonty-comp> it's nothing in a positive temperature astronomical scale 15:35:12 <jonty-comp> but it's quite a lot in a negative temperature astronomical scale 15:35:20 <jonty-comp> Maedhros could be working with superconductors! 15:35:23 <Rubidium> yeah, 260 degrees... that's like 15:35:42 <Rubidium> @calc (360-260)/360*2*3.14 15:35:42 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: 1.74444444444 15:35:47 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejg13.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 15:35:51 <Rubidium> not much 15:36:29 <Eddi|zuHause> exactly what i'm saying. it's not even _one_ full circle :p 15:36:41 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 15:37:41 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... our "weather persistent" cables might not be as persistent as one would like... 15:38:26 <Eddi|zuHause> at least our outdoor cables yanked out the main fuse... 15:39:35 <Rubidium> "weather persistent" != "excavator persistent" 15:40:33 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: it's melting outside, and apparently water got into one of the connector boxes... 15:41:29 <planetmaker> http://luukland.goulp.net/downloads <-- just to tell everyone here: all those downloads here violate the GPL 15:41:51 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18862 /trunk/src/ (9 files in 3 dirs): -Fix [FS#3544]: don't pass AI strings through iconv 15:42:04 <SpComb> planetmaker: lack of COPYING or incomplete source? 15:42:05 <planetmaker> (and they come w/o the openttdd/w.grf, too 15:42:16 <planetmaker> only openttd binary and lang dir 15:42:24 *** rellig [~quassel@minad.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:42:27 <Rubidium> lack of COPYING; I told them, but I never got a reaction from them 15:42:35 *** rellig [~quassel@minad.de] has joined #openttd 15:42:57 <Rubidium> hmm, maybe that's logical because they're on my ignore list 15:43:08 <planetmaker> I just checked. He claims that GPL doesn't require at as his download page has *somewhere* a copyright notice 15:43:12 <planetmaker> I didn't see it, though 15:43:19 <SpComb> because the lack of the COPYING isn't really worth killing someone over 15:43:34 <Eddi|zuHause> "All the files in the download section are protected by the: GNU General Public License Version 2, June 1991. Which can be read here." <-- 15:43:42 <SpComb> there's a link to it, yes 15:43:55 <SpComb> (the changelog as well?) 15:43:58 <Eddi|zuHause> but lack of source is a problem 15:44:01 <planetmaker> it's in fine print. 15:44:11 <planetmaker> yea, just saw it. 15:44:16 <Rubidium> okay.. now... 15:44:24 <planetmaker> well. Lack of source... can be requested, I guess 15:44:26 <Rubidium> http://luukland.goulp.net/sites/all/modules/pubdlcnt/pubdlcnt.php?file=/data/downloads/openttd-0.7.5C-win32.zip&nid=40 <- where is the GPL notice on that page? 15:44:33 <planetmaker> exactly ^ 15:44:33 <SpComb> Eddi|zuHause: well, there's the .patch, which is better than a plain source zip, imo 15:44:46 <Eddi|zuHause> where is the patch? 15:44:50 <Yexo> <planetmaker> well. Lack of source... can be requested, I guess <- click on "0.7.5C patch" to download it 15:44:52 <PeterT> under "Patch" 15:44:54 <SpComb> Eddi|zuHause: below the changelog 15:45:11 <PeterT> you have to click on it, and it will show 15:45:19 <Eddi|zuHause> ah... 15:45:20 <Rubidium> SpComb: it's ofcourse hoping that they based it on 0.7.5 and not something different 15:45:28 <SpComb> of course, there's the question of does the binary correspond to the patch 15:46:17 <SpComb> but come on, there isn't anything wrong as such with providing modified binaries of GPL code for download 15:46:21 <PeterT> I can tell you that the linux binary *is* based off of 0.7.5, and it *does* correspond to the patch 15:46:28 <Terkhen> how can you check that? 15:46:30 <SpComb> sure, it'd be nice if it was a proper bundle, but that's a style issue 15:46:46 <PeterT> Terkhen: I made it ;-) 15:47:01 <PeterT> But Luukland took out the necesarry files :-( 15:47:10 <Eddi|zuHause> <planetmaker> well. Lack of source... can be requested, I guess <-- it's not the point that it can be requested, there must be a _written offer_ to request the source [or a source download] 15:47:23 <Terkhen> that's not an answer to my question 15:47:34 <SpComb> there's a lot of OpenTTD binaries out there with only a .patch provided 15:47:35 <planetmaker> right. There's no text whatsoever, though 15:47:50 <PeterT> Terkhen: I don't understand? 15:48:05 <PeterT> I guess I can't check it, but I did make it, then I sent it to luukland 15:48:13 <Yexo> <SpComb> there's a lot of OpenTTD binaries out there with only a .patch provided <- that's a corner case, but generally accepted as always uploading the complete source would be a waste of resources 15:48:20 <planetmaker> Providing the patch file is IMO sufficient. 15:49:10 <jonty-comp> so long as you make it obvious where you can get the rest of the source from, I reckon 15:49:13 <Rubidium> technically providing the patch is not sufficient 15:49:17 <Eddi|zuHause> providing the patch is not sufficient in itself 15:49:23 <SpComb> practically, it is 15:49:36 <jonty-comp> technically not many things are sufficient :P 15:49:45 <planetmaker> hehe 15:50:00 <SpComb> providing a copy of the GPL is also a requirement, but nobody really cares 15:50:13 <PeterT> Well, usually 15:50:45 <SpComb> I'd tell them to get their act together and publish a proper bundle, but that's their problem 15:50:48 <Rubidium> SpComb: actually, on the forum I usually remove stuff that doesn't have the COPYING file 15:51:13 <SpComb> how does that benefit anyone? /: 15:51:29 <Yexo> the packager learns to package the required files 15:51:31 <Eddi|zuHause> SpComb: it teaches them to do it properly next time 15:51:53 <jonty-comp> or it teaches them to not bother at all 15:51:57 <jonty-comp> which might be better anyway 15:52:35 <SpComb> removing anything that isn't a bundle would make more sense 15:52:54 <PeterT> No, it wouldn't 15:52:57 <SpComb> but you could also think of the .zip there as a patch - apply it on top of your 0.7.5 install, and presto, you get an openttd.exe, a COPYING, etc :) 15:53:15 <PeterT> I used to only upload my /bin dir with a COPYING 15:53:29 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm28.epsilon84.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:53:41 * SpComb uploads himself to somewhere else 15:54:02 <Rubidium> SpComb: but the page claims that downloading OpenTTD from anywhere else is dangerous 15:54:37 <PeterT> Rubidium: Which page is that? 15:54:40 <Bluelight> Yeah.. :p 15:54:56 <Bluelight> Download 15:55:17 <PeterT> it says that? 15:55:40 <Bluelight> All binaries officially released by us should only be downloaded from this website! If you downloaded from another location, it could be possible that the file didn't came from us, it might possibly contain dangerous modifications and the file should therefor not be trusted! 15:55:46 <Rubidium> also the manual breaks quite hard when using e.g. 0.6.2 as 'base' (i.e. Debian Lenny) 15:56:29 <Terkhen> it does, I suppose they mean their lots-of-floats version and not stable OpenTTD 15:57:36 <Rubidium> Terkhen: that can't be it; the archive does only have the binary, not openttd[wd].grf *.obg etc. 15:59:01 <blathijs> Bluelight: s/came/come/ 15:59:27 <Terkhen> that does not seem very trusty 15:59:57 <Bluelight> blathijs: ? 16:00:50 <blathijs> Bluelight: There's a typo in that text 16:01:14 <Rubidium> as 0.7.5C needs the .obg files and 0.6.2 ("current") doesn't have those, 0.7.5C doesn't work if you base your work on 0.6.2 16:01:21 <Bluelight> Yeah it's not mine..:p 16:01:34 <Bluelight> Copy/Paste 16:01:43 <planetmaker> well. he removed the files. Or it seems so 16:01:49 * Rubidium wonders whether double past becomes present 16:02:14 <Bluelight> Can someone tell me about the OpenTTD versions? 16:02:21 <planetmaker> Rubidium, was gone = is going then ? 16:02:27 <Rubidium> wiki.openttd.org/Versions? 16:02:33 <Bluelight> Is 0.7.5 better then beta 1.0? 16:02:46 <PeterT> Is 0.3.0 better than 0.4.0? 16:02:50 <planetmaker> 1.0.0 is beta :-P 16:02:59 <Rubidium> depends on your point of view 16:03:02 <Noldo> stability or features? 16:03:09 <Bluelight> And beta means unfinished or testing? 16:03:13 <PeterT> Testing 16:03:15 <Yexo> 1.0.0-beta is newer, but 0.7.5 is more stable I think 16:03:32 <PeterT> I haven't experienced a crash with 0.7.5 16:03:41 <Eddi|zuHause> each added feature increases the chance of instability, so 0.3 is better than 0.4 is better than 0.7 is better than 1.0 16:03:57 <Noldo> :) 16:03:57 <Yexo> hehe :) 16:04:13 <Yexo> that'd be true if we'd keep backporting fixes to all releases 16:04:33 <Bluelight> Well arn't the coders supposed to fix instabillity? 16:04:45 <insulfrog> gotta go 16:04:46 *** insulfrog [~trainslov@92.17.246.61] has left #openttd [] 16:04:55 <Eddi|zuHause> YES! WHIP THEM UNTIL IT'S STABLE! 16:05:11 <Eddi|zuHause> darn coders! doing nothing all day! 16:05:13 <Yexo> Bluelight: of course, but when introducing new features sometimes a new bug is introduced 16:05:28 <Bluelight> Hmm.. Ok 16:05:37 <Noldo> sometimes? 16:05:43 <Bluelight> Have anybody tried FreeCiv? 16:05:55 <Eddi|zuHause> each time a bug is fixed, two new ones are introduced :p 16:06:00 <PeterT> Lol 16:06:08 <Phazorx> Bluelight: i did 16:06:17 <Noldo> Bluelight: we played a game at work about a year ago 16:06:18 <Eddi|zuHause> [corollary of murphy's law] 16:06:42 <Bluelight> Ok, I'm in need of professional help here.. 16:06:45 <planetmaker> Bluelight, try freecol ;-) 16:06:54 <Eddi|zuHause> since i played civ 4, i don't like the game mechanics of civ 2 anymore... 16:06:59 <Terkhen> I tried it two years ago, I played a few games but then I discovered OpenTTD 16:07:11 <planetmaker> hehe @ Terkhen 16:07:27 <Eddi|zuHause> freecol is nice, yes 16:07:38 <planetmaker> they have an especially awesome intro screen 16:07:48 <Phazorx> i like c-evo more than rest of cov clones actually 16:07:48 <Eddi|zuHause> freeciv has a rubbish interface imho... 16:07:56 <planetmaker> some artist really let his or her creativity run freely there :-) 16:07:58 <Bluelight> Ok, first of all.. Is it normal that when I try to move a unit it is sometimes stuck? So I have to unselect it and select it again and then it works? 16:08:01 <Terkhen> I haven't tried any civs beyond II and freeciv, do they "lose the magic"? 16:08:11 <planetmaker> Bluelight, ask in the freeciv channel? 16:08:34 <Eddi|zuHause> Terkhen: civ 4 is awesome... 16:08:46 <Bluelight> And why is it that I did the tutorial and when I got my firs sea vessel, the enemy had modern battleships? lol I haveno chance against those.. 16:09:01 <Bluelight> Is there such channel? 16:09:13 <Eddi|zuHause> Terkhen: it has extreme modding abilities 16:09:35 <Eddi|zuHause> things might get very complex if you just dive into it, though ;) 16:09:43 <Terkhen> and it has a good mod community? 16:09:44 <Bluelight> Where do I find freeciv channel? 16:09:49 <PeterT> http://fuzzle.org/~petern/ottd/Competition%20Patch%20V1.diff 16:09:56 <Rubidium> gheheh :) 16:10:05 <Eddi|zuHause> Terkhen: forums.civfanatics.org or so... 16:10:21 <planetmaker> Bluelight, I once stomped the AI with tanks and artillery and the AI had like phalanx. So... it's possible 16:10:38 <Eddi|zuHause> .com 16:10:58 <PeterT> Does mor have a life? : http://wiki.openttd.org/Special:Recentchanges 16:11:06 <Rubidium> http://rbijker.net/openttd/msvc2010.png 16:11:46 <Sacro> tje celts, nice 16:11:48 <Sacro> *the 16:11:58 <PeterT> How did you manage that, Rubidium? :-) 16:12:18 <planetmaker> loool @ screenshot :-P 16:12:50 <Terkhen> I will try civ4 then... I miss civilization games, but I'm too used to modern interfaces to enjoy them anymore 16:12:55 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: typical dailywtf material ;) 16:13:22 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: exactly why I'm not sending it to them 16:13:23 <Eddi|zuHause> Terkhen: can probably get civ4 complete (inclusive addons) for 10EUR 16:13:45 <peter1138> PeterT? 16:13:57 <PeterT> Hi peter1138 16:17:59 <murr4y> hi peters 16:18:13 <PeterT> peter1138: What did you want? 16:18:15 <Terkhen> I'll probably include it in my next order 16:18:41 <peter1138> oh, it was a link 16:18:49 <peter1138> it highlighted me, hurr 16:18:54 <PeterT> sorry 16:19:35 <peter1138> you will be 16:19:40 <peter1138> when i think of some punishment 16:19:41 <PeterT> How did Luuland upload there? 16:19:43 <PeterT> *luukland 16:20:21 <planetmaker> he didn't, I'm sure ;-) 16:21:22 <PeterT> petern likes to upload luukland's patches O_O 16:21:37 <peter1138> is there a problem with that? 16:22:05 <peter1138> just as well, as it doesn't seem to be available from the original site any more 16:26:20 *** heffer [~felix@mue-88-130-76-055.dsl.tropolys.de] has quit [Quit: heffer] 16:30:14 *** welshdragon [~markmac@149.254.234.110] has joined #openttd 16:32:21 *** LSky` [~x@5ED419D4.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 16:32:46 *** LSky` [~x@5ED419D4.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [] 16:32:59 *** LSky` [~x@5ED419D4.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 16:36:31 *** woldemar [~world@188.122.225.68] has quit [Quit: ???????????? ???????] 16:50:32 *** woldemar [~world@188.122.225.68] has joined #openttd 16:52:37 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:52:58 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 16:55:26 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has joined #openttd 16:56:03 *** welshdragon [~markmac@149.254.234.110] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:57:40 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has quit [Quit: On snow, everyone can follow your traces] 17:04:45 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has joined #openttd 17:04:46 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 17:08:04 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejg13.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 17:08:54 *** rellig [~quassel@minad.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:09:02 *** rellig [~quassel@minad.de] has joined #openttd 17:11:22 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:11:31 *** Maedhros [~Maedhros@calendular.dur.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:28:06 <PeterT> somebody, clever remark: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=849525#p849525 17:29:56 <Goulp> what's up PeterT ? 17:30:10 <PeterT> what? 17:30:20 <PeterT> ah 17:30:26 * Goulp has some Muxy inside 17:30:29 <PeterT> somebody, make a clever remark to that 17:31:09 <planetmaker> he's on my ignore :-P 17:32:16 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d199-126-251-5.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 17:32:19 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f481b.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:33:33 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 17:35:56 <Terkhen> soon he will have the honour of being the first person in mine 17:36:09 <heffer> ew 17:37:07 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:37:20 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has joined #openttd 17:38:01 *** Phazorx [~pavelkoll@77.239.236.193] has left #openttd [] 17:44:30 *** SpBot_ [spbot@skrblz.fixme.fi] has joined #openttd 17:44:47 *** SpBot [spbot@skrblz.fixme.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:45:30 <planetmaker> Terkhen: he is the first in mine. Or rather: the only one 17:45:33 *** SpComb^ [terom@zerg.fixme.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:48:25 <Terkhen> I have been considered to ignore other annoying people in the past... but this guy is different; I can't stand a single post from him, and there is like 50 every day 17:49:29 <Rubidium> that's why everyone that starts a conversation with him on IRC earns a in my list 17:49:30 *** SpComb^ [terom@zerg.fixme.fi] has joined #openttd 17:49:35 *** woldemar [~world@188.122.225.68] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:51:06 <Rubidium> but I agree that the forum 'foo' thing is totally inadequate 17:57:36 *** Digitalfox [~Digitalfo@bl10-222-77.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 18:01:12 <PeterT> Terkhen: You don't happen to have a binary for improved road acceleration, do you? 18:01:27 <Terkhen> no 18:01:34 <Terkhen> I don't have a diff either 18:04:45 *** woldemar [~world@188.122.235.80] has joined #openttd 18:04:57 *** rait [~chatzilla@82.131.110.85.cable.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 18:05:53 *** Timmaexx [~quassel@port-92-201-87-225.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 18:12:16 <rait> got a freeze while exiting. should i file a bug? 18:13:35 <Rubidium> rait: are you using Ubuntu 9.10? 18:13:48 <rait> windows server 2008 r2 18:13:55 *** Bluelight [~Ivan@170.80-203-76.nextgentel.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.7/20091221164558]] 18:14:12 <rait> should be same as windows 7 18:14:30 <Rubidium> never heard about OpenTTD freezing on close on Windows 18:14:40 <Terkhen> I use windows 7, I never had any freezes after exiting 18:15:10 <Rubidium> rait: freeze as in "takes a while before finally closing" or as in "doesn't close ever at all"? 18:15:15 <rait> well. i havent killed it, what should i do to help resolve it? 18:15:27 <rait> has been the same for ~5 min 18:16:17 <Rubidium> do you by any chance have MSVC installed? 18:16:18 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Quit: Flieht, ihr Narren!] 18:16:37 <rait> visual c? 18:16:55 <sawtooth> .................... 18:17:00 <sawtooth> cat :) 18:17:23 <Rubidium> rait: yes 18:18:15 <rait> got c++ redistributables 18:19:00 <Rubidium> glx: how can you kill OpenTTD in a way that it makes the crash.dmp? 18:19:18 <rait> i can dump it from task manager ... 18:19:18 <Rubidium> rait: is this the first time you use OpenTTD on windows 2008? 18:19:22 <rait> nope 18:19:33 <rait> work's like a charm most of the time 18:19:59 <rait> meaning no crashes or other problems before 18:20:16 <Rubidium> rait: killing it in the task manager doesn't trigger the crash dump generation, which we need to figure out where it hangs 18:20:25 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.214] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:20:36 *** Timmaexx [~quassel@port-92-201-87-225.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:20:41 <rait> in task manager, there is an option to dump the process 18:20:49 <Rubidium> without that, and without reproducability, I see absolutely no way to get clue what the problem is 18:20:57 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.214] has joined #openttd 18:21:16 <Rubidium> rait: hmm, don't know that option (and thus don't know whether it's useful) 18:21:30 <glx> Rubidium: release build with alt-0 crash enabled, I see no other way 18:21:55 <Rubidium> glx: that won't help... alt-0 only works because that codepath is ran 18:22:10 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@121.111.203.213.9lyon1-0-ro-bas-1.9tel.net] has joined #openttd 18:23:06 <Rubidium> rait: please try the dump thing and see what that results in 18:23:21 <Rubidium> oh, what version of OpenTTD are you using? 18:23:23 <rait> it creates a 112MB dump file 18:23:36 <rait> 1.0.0-beta2, 64bit 18:24:29 <Rubidium> can you DCC that to me? 18:24:39 <peter1138> 112MB? yikes 18:25:04 <Rubidium> peter1138: yeah, probably a full dump of all the memory :( 18:25:39 <rait> can't i use rapidshare or smth? not sure my client can do DCC 18:25:57 <Rubidium> please try DCC first 18:26:22 <Rubidium> rapidshare, for some reason, isn't that rapid for me 18:28:50 <Rubidium> hmm, okay that doesn't seem to work :(... then... rapidshare it is 18:29:23 <rait> i also got a web domain, would that be ok? 18:29:44 <Rubidium> yup, as long as I can download it from there 18:32:16 <rait> 1,5h ... 18:32:36 <peter1138> is it not zippable? 18:32:54 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@c-24-12-4-37.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 18:32:55 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest2709 18:32:55 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 18:33:46 <rait> good point, trying 7zip 18:35:00 <Rubidium> oh, 1,5h... then I can do some other stuff first :) 18:35:04 <rait> miracle of compression. 19M, 20min 18:35:18 <planetmaker> :-) 18:35:37 <planetmaker> I can compress better. Is lossless compression required? ;-) 18:35:52 <rait> i also got a savegame, made seconds before freeze. might that help? 18:36:08 <fjb> You can compress every file to the size of 1 Byte. :-) 18:36:40 <planetmaker> ^^ 18:36:49 <planetmaker> rait: in case of doubt: yes 18:38:36 <rait> any other stuff i should poke the still running process before killing it? 18:38:40 *** Guest2709 [~Dale@c-24-12-4-37.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:38:40 *** Goulp [~Goulp@ip163.opsio.fr] has quit [Quit: PACKET_SERVER_SHUTDOWN] 18:38:49 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.214] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:39:19 <planetmaker> screenshot? 18:39:39 <rait> screenshot of a frozen process?? 18:40:23 <glx> the best would be start msvc and attach it but I guess you cannot 18:40:36 <planetmaker> if it doesn't make sense: then no. The usual crash produces one. Whether it's useful... maybe sometimes 18:40:48 <Rubidium> planetmaker: but there IS no crash 18:41:07 <planetmaker> Rubidium: yes, I know :-) That's why I proposed to MAKE a screenshot :-) 18:41:29 <planetmaker> if there's no usuable UI anymore... oh well. 18:41:39 <rait> i got something called windbg installed ... 18:42:10 <PeterT> what does that do? 18:42:24 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.98] has joined #openttd 18:42:42 <rait> debugger for kernel dumps 18:45:13 <glx> I think you'll need the pdb 18:45:33 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r18863 /trunk/src/lang/ (hebrew.txt polish.txt spanish.txt ukrainian.txt): 18:45:33 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:33 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: croatian - 36 changes by 18:45:33 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: hebrew - 38 changes by dnd_man 18:45:33 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: polish - 1 changes by xaxa 18:45:34 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: spanish - 1 changes by Terkhen 18:45:34 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: ukrainian - 2 changes by Madvin 18:46:07 <rait> i got the "Debugging Tools for Windows" package 18:47:02 <rait> no reference to pdb in help 18:48:28 <peter1138> it's short for wind bag 18:48:56 <glx> pdb contains symbols 18:49:18 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.98] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:49:26 <rait> as in debugging symbols? the ones that get stripped on compiling? 18:49:36 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.98] has joined #openttd 18:51:10 <rait> http://irx.pri.ee/upload/ 18:51:19 <rait> savegame, screenshot, compressed dump 18:52:07 <PeterT> download is quite fast, thanks 18:52:44 <rait> anything else i can do? 18:53:08 * glx getting the 7z (to see if it's usable) 18:57:18 <rait> let me know, gotta run in 10min 18:57:39 <PeterT> glx: You said you had the Express Editions? 18:57:39 <glx> it's usable it seems 18:57:47 <glx> PeterT: yes 18:57:56 <glx> and ? 18:58:07 <PeterT> How can you debug/tell if its usable with Express editions? 18:58:07 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:58:16 <PeterT> my MSVC just complained about it being x64 18:58:20 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has joined #openttd 18:58:23 <PeterT> and that it can't do anything with x64 18:58:26 <jonty-comp> Express doesn't like x64 so much 18:58:38 <glx> mine does since yesterday :) 18:58:45 <PeterT> ? 18:58:50 <PeterT> How so? 18:58:56 <glx> http://jenshuebel.wordpress.com/2009/02/12/visual-c-2008-express-edition-and-64-bit-targets/ 18:59:16 <jonty-comp> I couldn't even get it to build 18:59:17 <jonty-comp> oh, hmm 18:59:43 <jonty-comp> well, there's not much point to me building in x64 anyway, it's hardly faster on this PC and I doubt openttd is going to use more than 3GB RAM :P 18:59:50 <glx> seems to be in sound driver shutdown 19:00:37 <glx> http://paste.openttd.org/220979 <-- the trace from rait dmp 19:03:03 <rait> anything else i can give you? 19:04:51 <glx> I don't think we can get much info 19:05:19 <glx> *more 19:06:12 <PeterT> lol "flyswatter" 19:06:13 <PeterT> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=849561#p849561 19:06:49 <rait> ok. i'll be back in 3h, if there's anything else, write it here 19:08:52 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 19:09:02 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@7.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 19:09:10 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@7.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 19:11:12 <gathers> Quick sanity check; is there any setting to make openttd warn "about a year" ahead before an industry closes? or is that a feature from some grf files? 19:12:01 <PeterT> I take it you've seen BlueEagle_nl's reply 19:12:26 <gathers> yes 19:13:11 <Rubidium> hmm, so it hangs in Windows' code. Looks like we can't do much about that :( 19:23:25 <andythenorth> umm neob is in 'my' thread :x 19:24:00 <PeterT> yes he is 19:24:10 <andythenorth> I want him to piss off 19:24:17 <PeterT> Forum report button? 19:25:20 <andythenorth> he's not actually doing *anything* wrong. he's just annoying 19:25:28 <andythenorth> it's kind of unfair to dislike the guy 19:26:20 <PeterT> which thread is this? 19:26:25 <PeterT> FISH release thread or FIRS? 19:26:25 <andythenorth> FISH release 19:26:38 * andythenorth refrains from flaming. I want a nice clean thread :P 19:27:23 <PeterT> so? andythenorth when is 32bpp fish coming out? Huh? when? come on... when? 19:28:04 <andythenorth> from me? never 19:28:07 <andythenorth> however it is GPL 19:29:20 <PeterT> I was joking 19:29:23 <PeterT> but ok 19:29:48 <andythenorth> PeterT: I get that you were joking ;) 19:30:08 <PeterT> but you felt it was needed to provide a real answer? 19:32:03 <PeterT> why doesn't openttd have custom bridge heads? 19:32:27 <planetmaker> *someone* as usual was a lazy guy 19:33:27 <peter1138> heh 19:33:44 <peter1138> and then some plonker thinks it needs to be made with models and renders *sigh* 19:34:39 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:34:49 <Terkhen> someone should force *someone* to finish some of his projects 19:37:23 <Terkhen> I don't see the relation between custom bridge heads and models and renders 19:41:29 <andythenorth> the funny thing is, FISH is almost entirely based on over-painting 3D models. So some kind of 32BPP would actually be trivial. I'm just not going to do it 19:44:48 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 19:45:17 <Terkhen> coding stuff again is boring 19:45:45 <arachnist> FISH? 19:45:56 <planetmaker> fish'n ships 19:46:01 <Terkhen> let's see if I can have the new improved acceleration for road vehicles today 19:46:02 <arachnist> oh 19:46:58 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:47:29 <PeterT> arachnist: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=45435 19:48:13 <PeterT> andythenorth: I still don't know what BANDIT is, other than Rubidium's description 19:48:22 *** Phoenix_the_II [~ralph@j104051.upc-j.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:49:25 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has joined #openttd 19:55:22 * andythenorth stupid internet connection 19:57:38 <andythenorth> PeterT: BANDIT is a platform for producing truck sets....or it's vapourware with a silly acronym 19:58:04 <andythenorth> depends if I can recruit Dan MacK (among others) to draw for it, and whether I get fed up of creating newgrfs 19:58:06 <PeterT> I see 19:58:13 <PeterT> well, not really, but I can wait for a GRF 19:58:31 <andythenorth> the point is you could wait for several grfs 19:58:36 <andythenorth> trucks the world over are mostly the same 19:58:43 <andythenorth> with trains we can combine sets 19:58:51 <andythenorth> but articulated RVs can't be combined in game 19:59:05 <andythenorth> they can however be combined at the grf encoding / makefile stage 19:59:27 <andythenorth> allowing for a Euro truck set, a US truck set etc. from the same codebase and reusing sprites 20:00:29 <planetmaker> :-D 20:00:37 <planetmaker> you got too many plans, andy ;-) 20:00:42 <Terkhen> :) 20:01:15 <andythenorth> I got too little time :) 20:01:26 <andythenorth> you should see my unfinished Lego projects :o 20:04:14 <andythenorth> http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=310890 20:04:19 <andythenorth> (that one is finished) 20:05:28 *** woldemar [~world@188.122.235.80] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:08:01 *** woldemar [~world@81.28.163.131] has joined #openttd 20:11:56 *** JVassie^ [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:12:44 *** Digitalfox_ [~Digitalfo@bl10-222-77.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 20:13:46 *** SirSquidness [~sirsquidn@vps.sirsquidness.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:13:47 *** SirSquidness [~sirsquidn@vps.sirsquidness.com] has joined #openttd 20:14:38 *** Digitalfox [~Digitalfo@bl10-222-77.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:17:19 <Eoin> FISH is certainly coming on Andel 20:17:22 <Eoin> uhm fail 20:17:24 <Eoin> andythenorth 20:17:57 <andythenorth> :P 20:19:00 *** JVassie [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:29:15 *** APTX [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:30:27 *** APTX 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#openttd 21:38:19 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-62-125.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 21:38:50 <Bjarni> hello Hackykid 21:38:59 <Bjarni> !seen Hackykid 21:39:17 <Hackykid> heya Bjarni 21:40:39 * Hackykid got bitten by the transport tycoon bug again 21:40:41 <Hackykid> :O 21:40:44 <PeterT> Bjarni: @seen Hackykid 21:40:46 <Hackykid> stupid addictive game :-p 21:40:55 <PeterT> And Hello Bjarni 21:40:56 <Bjarni> @ it is 21:40:59 <Bjarni> but now it's too late 21:41:04 <Bjarni> he already said something 21:42:04 <Hackykid> awwww 21:42:14 <PeterT> it's not to late 21:42:18 <PeterT> @seen Hackykid 21:42:18 <DorpsGek> PeterT: Hackykid was last seen in #openttd 13 seconds ago: <Hackykid> awwww 21:42:46 <Rubidium> Bjarni: @seen fails anyway because it's logs were trashed fairly recently 21:42:54 <Hackykid> don't think it matters anyway, last time i was in #openttd it was still on freenode i think 21:43:18 <__ln> @seen Tron 21:43:18 <DorpsGek> __ln: I have not seen Tron. 21:43:39 <andythenorth> @seen Transformers, Revenge of the Fallen 21:43:39 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: seen [<channel>] <nick> 21:44:44 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18864 /trunk/src/ (settings.cpp table/settings.h): -Fix [FS#3532]: town noise population settings could not be changed in-game 21:44:51 <Terkhen> good night 21:44:52 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@7.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 21:49:04 *** rait [~chatzilla@82.131.110.85.cable.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.7/20091221164558]] 21:51:36 <SpComb> boo, why can't a company buy up 100% of another company? :( 21:52:15 <Rubidium> huh, AFAIK you can 21:52:20 <Rubidium> although maybe not in MP 21:52:28 <SpComb> that's what I was guessing 21:52:37 *** dragonhorseboy [~zerovnc@modemcable179.142-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 21:52:40 <SpComb> in an MP game it only lets you buy up 75% 21:52:49 <dragonhorseboy> lol spcomb didn't think you'll be here too :P 21:53:00 * SpComb does a hostile takeover of dragonhorseboy 21:53:22 <dragonhorseboy> spcomb I wouldn't mind .. but it doesn't work ;) 21:55:11 <Rubidium> I guess it doesn't work there because of (ancient) "can't move players to another company" stuff 22:05:58 <Noldo> the shares just don't make any sense 22:06:46 <Belugas> ho... taht late.... /me runs 22:06:50 <Belugas> bye bye 22:06:55 <PeterT> Bye 22:06:58 <Rubidium> night Belugas 22:08:17 <frosch123> Noldo: too realistic? 22:08:48 <Lyzio> Noldo: how should they be instead? 22:08:55 <Noldo> frosch123: ;) 22:11:28 *** Digitalfox_ [~Digitalfo@bl10-222-77.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.7/20091221164558]] 22:12:15 <Noldo> frosch123: now that I think about it, yes too realistic 22:13:06 <Noldo> it would have to balanced with quite a lot of realism in other areas for it to work 22:13:32 <planetmaker> If I have a line "#define VAR2 VAR1" - what does subsequently a "#ifdef VAR2" evaluate to, if VAR1 was never defined? 22:14:02 <Noldo> to string "VAR1" ? 22:14:03 <Rubidium> I'd say true 22:14:24 <planetmaker> hm, plausible. Thanks 22:14:32 <Rubidium> just check header inclusions to get an idea 22:14:40 <Rubidium> +protection 22:15:12 <Noldo> reading the questions is basically a cheat 22:19:26 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18865 /trunk/docs/openttd.6: -Doc: update the manpage 22:20:13 <peter1138> oh, a Hackykid! 22:20:44 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f481b.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:20:47 *** PeterT|ChatZilla [~chatzilla@c-76-19-210-165.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 22:21:58 *** PeterT|ChatZilla is now known as PeterT_ 22:23:53 *** dragonhorseboy [~zerovnc@modemcable179.142-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has left #openttd [] 22:25:47 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Administr@89.246.205.179] has joined #openttd 22:26:44 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@2002:55b3:d8ef:1:4d8e:307c:a450:3c71] has joined #openttd 22:27:11 *** PeterT_ [~chatzilla@c-76-19-210-165.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 22:27:33 *** PeterT_ [~chatzilla@c-76-19-210-165.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 22:29:39 <Eddi|zuHause> [18.01.2010 19:17] <sawtooth> cat :) <--- so it's a sawtoothcat? :p 22:30:29 *** PeterT_ [~chatzilla@c-76-19-210-165.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [] 22:30:48 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Quit: Flieht, ihr Narren!] 22:32:45 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Administr@89.246.195.9] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:34:16 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2002:55b5:b4f9:1:4d8e:307c:a450:3c71] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:34:16 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 22:36:09 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-200-075.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Something strange must have happened...] 22:40:14 <Eddi|zuHause> <planetmaker> If I have a line "#define VAR2 VAR1" - what does subsequently a "#ifdef VAR2" evaluate to, if VAR1 was never defined? <-- just don't think of "var" as a "var", #ifdef checks if the name was defined, not that it expands to anything useful [it can expand to an empty string as well] 22:45:10 *** Chrill [~chrischri@h-16-169.A149.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 22:51:39 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B916.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:52:10 <peter1138> @seen tdev 22:52:10 <DorpsGek> peter1138: I have not seen tdev. 22:52:16 <peter1138> @seen thomasdev 22:52:16 <DorpsGek> peter1138: I have not seen thomasdev. 22:52:28 <PeterT> peter1138: DorpsGek's logs crashed 22:52:43 <Rubidium> if he wasn't here the last week he won't show up 22:56:34 <peter1138> yup, i know hat 22:56:36 <peter1138> +t 22:57:34 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18866 /trunk/src/ (24 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: remove the CmdFailed(ret)/CmdSucceeded(ret) wrapper functions 22:58:20 <SpComb> hmm, cargodist needs another update already, been a week 22:59:11 <PeterT> what do you mean? 22:59:18 *** ra-p11 [~ra-p11@96.51.215.108] has joined #openttd 22:59:21 <PeterT> cargodist with sprinkles? 22:59:25 <PeterT> or just plain cargodist 23:00:14 <SpComb> cargodist 23:04:26 *** ra-p11 [~ra-p11@96.51.215.108] has quit [Quit: ra-p11] 23:04:51 <peter1138> ah well, ror didn't work. never mind. 23:05:21 <PeterT> SpComb: Are you on windows? 23:05:33 <SpComb> no, but I have a windows VM 23:05:53 <PeterT> Ok 23:05:58 <PeterT> What OS do you have? 23:05:59 <PeterT> linux? 23:06:02 <SpComb> yes 23:06:10 <PeterT> so, you can work with GIT quite easily? 23:06:14 <SpComb> yes 23:06:39 <PeterT> why not update it yourself? 23:08:05 <SpComb> I'd preferr to let fonso do it, since he knows the code and has to figure out any crashes that it causes 23:08:14 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2D9960.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Regel Nr. 1: Jeder hört auf mein Kommando! - Regel Nr. 2: Jeder bleibt auf dem Weg! - Regel Nr. 3: ... ... Der, der bläht, als hinterster geht!] 23:08:21 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db0e1b5.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: gn8] 23:08:24 <PeterT> I see 23:14:45 <Yexo> git works perfectly fine on windows 23:16:16 *** KritiK_ [~Maxim@78-106-216-25.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 23:18:32 <PeterT> Yexo: it's much slower, though ;-P 23:18:39 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:18:55 <Yexo> possible, but far from unusable 23:19:08 <PeterT> SpComb 23:19:09 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9E2B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:19:18 <PeterT> do you want me to update my binaries to your newest post? 23:19:55 <SpComb> well, if you want to 23:20:01 <SpComb> r18790 is 6 days old :/ 23:20:12 <SpComb> but it does include the tick_counter -related commit that might fix some of the earlier issues 23:21:08 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-62-125.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:21:11 *** KritiK_ is now known as KritiK 23:21:14 <PeterT> ok 23:21:33 <SpComb> I'd wait for fonso to update cargodist to something more recent and then post an updated build 23:21:44 <PeterT> i agree 23:21:58 <PeterT> so, will you be posting updated versions of this new patch? 23:22:12 <SpComb> updated against what? 23:22:18 <PeterT> cargodist? 23:22:31 <SpComb> once it's updated? Sure, once you poke me :) 23:22:40 <PeterT> !poke SpComb 23:22:43 <SpComb> not yet :( 23:22:47 <PeterT> !poke 23:22:48 <PeterT> !poke 23:23:08 <PeterT> That reminds me of the poke button on FaceBook (TM) 23:25:30 * Rubidium wonders what's the point in building a binary for each update of cargodist; it's not savegame compatible, so people won't be updating that much 23:26:06 <PeterT> That's like saying there isn't a point to nightlies 23:26:09 <SpComb> Rubidium: well, there's stuff fixed in trunk that might apply 23:26:10 <orudge> well 23:26:15 <orudge> Rubidium has somewhat of a point 23:26:16 <SpComb> and people start new games occasionally 23:26:17 <PeterT> what SpComb said 23:26:19 <orudge> it's not exactly the same as nightlies 23:26:25 <orudge> if the saved games aren't compatible 23:26:29 <orudge> obviously, having new binaries is not a bad thing 23:26:30 <SpComb> indeed not 23:26:35 <PeterT> yes, since nighty games are compatible 23:26:37 <orudge> but it's not quite as essential 23:26:49 <PeterT> also, thinking about new users 23:26:49 <sawtooth> i should give the autosep patch a try the next time i update cargodist and start a game 23:28:33 <SpComb> or I could start hacking the cargodist sl stuff to provide saveload compatibility of some kind... eh 23:28:35 <Rubidium> SpComb: but what's the point if it's savegame incompatible? You're better probably off picking 'stable nightlies' every once and while and base on that 23:29:45 <SpComb> stable nightly, is that what you call the rev that fonso occasionally chooses to merge his cargodist against? :) 23:30:11 <Rubidium> no, that's just whatever's on top when he does it 23:30:25 <SpComb> indeed 23:30:38 <SpComb> and trunk nightly is whatever happens to be HEAD at 18:00 GMT or whatever 23:30:58 <Rubidium> 20:00 'Amsterdam'-time 23:31:14 <Rubidium> i.e. 20:00 CET / 20:00 CEST depending on whether DST is in effect 23:31:28 <Rubidium> (in effect in Amsterdam that is) 23:31:45 <Rubidium> we don't follow the USA's DST stuff 23:31:47 <SpComb> pfft, you should fix it to UTC :) 23:32:13 <orudge> hmm, my openttd SSH session is set to UTC, at least 23:32:17 <orudge> and I don't think I manually tweaked it 23:32:18 <orudge> so that's something 23:32:37 <Rubidium> the server is fully in UTC :) 23:32:38 * orudge runs all his servers on UTC, even the ones that are presently in UTC-6 23:33:03 <SpComb> Zulu time 23:33:06 <Rubidium> only the time the CF is started is 'under influence' of DST 23:33:25 <SpComb> how bizarre 23:35:11 <SpComb> but windows builds of random patches is a sad little world 23:35:31 <Rubidium> well... it did it that way before the new compile farm so we kept the behaviour 23:35:34 <SpComb> always a little problematic and crappy 23:35:58 <Rubidium> SpComb: be happy you haven't encountered MSVC2010 yet 23:36:22 <SpComb> apart from Error: Success dialogs? 23:38:28 <Rubidium> you need to 'physically' yank win64.asm from the project to compile win32, otherwise it wants to link win64.obj into the 32 bits openttd. Excluding it from 'build' works fine, except during linking... Furthermore yanking it our means that you can't compile 64 bits builds with the same solution. 23:39:22 <SpComb> sounds like a bug of some kind 23:39:40 <SpComb> don't you have separate configurations for 32/64 -bit? 23:39:42 <Rubidium> oh... and directx and the platform sdk needs to be installed in a particular order, otherwise it fails during compilation. That makes upgrading your working 2008 to 2010 upgrade yield a broken install 23:40:03 <Rubidium> SpComb: yes, the configuations exclude files from builds under certain circumstances 23:40:24 <SpComb> i.e. the win64.asm goes into objs/Release/Win64/... and the win32.asm goes into objs/Release/Win32/... 23:40:38 <SpComb> assuming it's a generated file 23:40:38 <Rubidium> SpComb: there is no win32.asm 23:41:06 <Rubidium> just when linking the 32 bits binary it wants win64.obj which it didn't generate because win64.asm is excluded from the build 23:41:26 <Rubidium> hmm... what else did I have 23:41:34 <orudge> it's ugly, but could you possibly just do an #ifdef WIN64 in the win64.asm and include it in both projects? Hopefully, of course, MS will fix the bug instead ;) 23:41:57 <Rubidium> oh yes, installing 2010 seems to have broken MSVC's capability to do something sane with crash.dmps 23:42:04 <SpComb> not familiar enough with MSVC - I've mostly just had the crash-course point-and-click until it builds the damn thing introduction to it :P 23:42:13 <Rubidium> I am SO happy I first made a copy of the .vdi before installing MSVC 2010 23:42:15 <SpComb> (outside of OpenTTD) 23:42:48 <SpComb> (mostly with Windows Mobile, in fact) 23:43:20 <orudge> I'd suggest you report these bugs to MS at least, if you haven't already - if nobody reports them, nobody is likely to fix them either :( 23:43:45 <Rubidium> orudge: I already reported the first "error" I got 23:43:53 <orudge> ah, fair enough 23:43:55 <Rubidium> orudge: http://rbijker.net/openttd/msvc2010.png 23:44:05 <orudge> heh 23:44:08 <orudge> how curious\ 23:44:37 <Rubidium> given that installing MSVC2010 successfully is considered an error, I reckon working fine is an error too 23:45:37 *** ra-p11 [~ra-p11@96.51.215.108] has joined #openttd 23:46:12 <Rubidium> then I'm also not very happy with Microsoft's choice to remove the global include path configuration stuff 23:46:46 <__ln> wtf, they've done that? 23:46:47 <PeterT> they removed that?! 23:46:49 <Rubidium> that means you have to set the include path stuff for each solution... and ofcourse we can't do that globally because that would break for lots of people that don't install stuff in default locations 23:46:52 <PeterT> wtf, why? 23:47:06 <PeterT> f that, I'm not updating 23:48:18 <Rubidium> though removing the global include path stuff works fine for corporate environments where they can just force everything to be installed the same, it doesn't quite help open source projects 23:49:01 <Rubidium> so Microsoft seems to be expanding on their path to "make stuff worse" (in my opinion) 23:49:02 <glx> btw there's no "express" version yet 23:49:39 <Rubidium> there's no 'stable' either 23:49:47 <__ln> i think we've been successfully using MSVC2010 beta at work on a project that relies on global include paths... gotta check tomorrow what's going on. 23:50:01 <glx> x64 in 2008 express is already a little pain to get (but it's doable) 23:50:04 <orudge> "Oh yeah, to change the global include path, you have to go to the property manager (I never even knew it existed), open a build configuration and open Microsoft.Cpp.Win32.user. Inside of that are the include and lib directories which all projects inherit. Well, some of them, there's more added to that but I can't find them." 23:50:08 <orudge> that does sound rather irritating 23:50:50 <PeterT> honestly, I see no point in making a new guide on the wiki for the 2010 version 23:51:01 <Rubidium> yup... *somewhere* the directx and platform SDK includes are added, but I can't find it *anywhere* in the GUI 23:51:03 <PeterT> just tell people to get 2008 express 23:51:26 <Rubidium> as such for the 'noob' there is no way to change the include order of them to fix the compile failure due to the wrong install order 23:51:52 <glx> PeterT: no need to say anything about MSVC 2010 on the wiki when it's still a beta 23:52:07 <PeterT> Even when it isn't a beta 23:52:40 <glx> things "may" change with the stable version 23:53:37 <Rubidium> so I reckon it's somewhere in the registry, which ofcourse is fun 23:54:09 <Rubidium> especially when there's a MSVC express too, which doesn't share the registry 'path' with the non-express versions (like it does(not) now) 23:54:38 <Rubidium> not to mention WoW64 and such 23:56:31 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x3ef3a1bd.virnxx14.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:57:10 *** Yexo [~Yexo@38-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]