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Log for #openttd on 25th January 2010:
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00:43:59  * SpComb^ does massive code cleanup
00:44:05  <CIA-2> OpenTTD: glx * r18913 /trunk/src/sound/win32_s.cpp: -Fix (r18892): the deadlock was still possible
00:46:50  <Yexo> glx: is this stacktrace related to that?
00:46:51  <Yexo> http://paste.openttd.org/221016
00:47:41  <glx> dunno that stacktrace is not the main thread
00:48:36  <Yexo> openttd (r18912 with a patch) hanged with that stacktrace
00:48:46  <Yexo> msvc is still attached, is there a way to get more information?
00:48:59  <glx> hang at exit ?
00:49:04  <Yexo> yes
00:49:17  <glx> check the trace in main thread :)
00:49:30  <glx> but it's related ;)
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00:50:07  <Yexo> ah, indeed :) http://paste.openttd.org/221017
00:50:18  <roboboy> gmorning
00:50:27  <glx> SoundThread should be waiting for a message (GetMessage) and main thread is waiting for SoundThread to finish
00:51:41  <Yexo> threads window wasn't open, so I didn't notice it wasn't the main thread
00:51:57  <Yexo> but good to know you've fixed it now
00:52:16  <glx> yup with comments to follow what should happen
00:52:39  <glx> and now there's no reason for sound thread to not finish
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01:36:27  <nicecupoftea> bon nuit tlm!
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02:12:56  <Katje> is there an easy way to stop planes landing so you can replace an airport with abigger one ?
02:13:41  <Eddi|zuHause> somewhere between "no" and "not really"...
02:14:03  <Eddi|zuHause> unless you consider "applying and compiling a patch" as "easy"
02:15:38  <Katje> not really whilst in the middle of a game ;p
02:16:02  <Katje> OOI, which patch?
02:17:01  <Eddi|zuHause> "close airports" or somesuch
02:17:22  <Eddi|zuHause> although it might not apply anymore as there were a lot of changes to airport code recently
02:19:21  <Katje> handy
02:19:29  <Katje> what sort of changes?
02:20:05  <Eddi|zuHause> svn log | grep air?
02:20:38  * Katje isn't a developer
02:23:43  <Eddi|zuHause> that's not a reason at all..
02:25:59  <Katje> svn log | grep air
02:25:59  <Katje> svn: '.' is not a working copy
02:27:29  <Eddi|zuHause> well. obvopis?y you need to either give a repository location or have a wprking copy...
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08:43:17  <Terkhen> good morning
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08:45:21  <Yexo> good morning Terkhen
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09:12:42  <Sevalecan> good afterneve
09:12:47  <Sevalecan> I mean
09:13:00  <Sevalecan> good afternevnorning
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11:25:32  <TrueBrain> nice ... lenny -> squeeze update, at console login prompt, 'root' -> permission denied ..
11:27:36  <Rubidium> finally... logging in as root 'out-of-the-box' has been disabled :)
11:27:53  <TrueBrain> and any other account, for that matter
11:28:01  <TrueBrain> so it is absolutely secure! NOBODY can get in
11:28:12  <Rubidium> ooh... PAM's broken?
11:28:21  <TrueBrain> how should I know?
11:28:32  <Rubidium> well, file a bug report about your upgrade having gone horribly wrong
11:29:06  <TrueBrain> it was a clean lenny, to a clean squeeze .. the only thing I did was reboot, because udev refused to upgrade without a new kernel .. and then to notice there isn't a new kernel :p
11:29:30  <Rubidium> ah yes... that issue
11:29:40  <Rubidium> had that too a few days ago
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11:30:12  <TrueBrain> so, how did you solve it?
11:30:41  <peter1138> squeeze is out?
11:30:42  <Rubidium> needed some... uhm... convincing so it installed the new udev, so I could install linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-i686
11:30:59  <TrueBrain> how? :)
11:31:02  <Rubidium> but that I had done before rebooting
11:31:37  <Rubidium> TrueBrain: apt-get -f install, that gives an error that udev couldn't be upgraded and it lists that you need to make a file to force the upgrading anyway
11:32:25  <Rubidium> so make that file, force the upgrading of udev, install linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-i686 (or whatever other 2.6.32 kernel you need) and only then reboot
11:32:32  <TrueBrain> k, tnx; it is really stupid they haven't fixed that ...
11:33:05  <Rubidium> peter1138: no, squeeze ain't out; it'll freeze in March though
11:33:26  <peter1138> ah
11:33:40  <Rubidium> TrueBrain: squeeze, i.e. testing, is lagging behind unstable, so it might already be fixed in unstable but the fix hasn't migrated to testing yet
11:33:41  <TrueBrain> so when I install a new system, I tend to do Squeeze, to avoid updates later on
11:34:12  <TrueBrain> Rubidium: somehow I doubt that ;)
11:35:04  <Rubidium> basically: when critical bugs are found in unstable migration to squeeze is delayed till fixed, however if the bug already migrated to testing you'll have to wait till the fix migrates (and sometimes these migrations depend on other bugs being fixed first etc)
11:35:45  <Rubidium> which is why testing might not be that good when not in freeze; especially the two months before the freeze as everyone scrambles to get their stuff in
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11:36:25  <TrueBrain> this problem exists for a long time now :)
11:37:19  <Rubidium> has anyone filed a bug report about it?
11:37:24  <TrueBrain> dunno
11:37:25  <TrueBrain> dont care
11:40:11  <TrueBrain> bah, made 'dash' the default shell again .. always wrong :(
11:44:46  <TrueBrain> Rubidium: k, tnx, that seems to work :)
11:45:29  * SpComb^ wonders if squeeze will have python2.6
11:46:37  <Rubidium> SpComb^: good question; is it in now? If not I doubt it
11:47:08  <SpComb^> I think the python maintainer finally got off his lazy ass and pushed in something early this month
11:48:15  <Rubidium> seems so
11:48:47  <Rubidium> although only in unstable (and 3.1 is (only) in unstable too)
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12:09:09  <TrueBrain> lol, default font and sizes for XFCE4 are so small, things don't fit ....
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12:34:01  <DaleStan> <Yexo_> the ttdpatch wiki under Action0 lists feature 0E as signals. Is there any action for which feature 0E is valid? <-- Variational 2 and 3. (And 5, for a slightly inaccurate definition of "feature".)
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12:41:50  <CIA-2> OpenTTD: truebrain * r18914 /extra/website/general/utils/version.py: [Website] -Fix: apply the mirror changes to the internals of our website too
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13:43:51  <Goulp> roboboy: WCW patch has been updated on trunk
13:57:47  <roboboy> thanx
13:59:19  <roboboy> where can I find it?
13:59:31  <roboboy> I should go to bed soon
14:00:00  <Goulp> on tt-forum - openttd - dev section
14:00:14  <Goulp> Watch Company Gui Patch
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14:07:02  <roboboy> downloading
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14:16:17  <roboboy> gnight
14:19:17  <Belugas> hello
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15:20:59  <CIA-2> OpenTTD: glx * r18915 /trunk/src/table/station_land.h: -Fix (r18912): use a macro for empty DrawTileSprites elements (and solve missing braces/initializer warnings)
15:22:33  <Eddi|zuHause> *mental note* never try to grab a cat that is in "hunting" mode...
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15:23:42  <Rubidium> *mental note* never grab a cat
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15:35:10  <erani> http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=20.278713,39.506836&layer=c&cbll=57.226109,-4.572287&panoid=ApPA1rwguy7D-Kl8q6i0bw&cbp=12,126.78,,0,15.94&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=&ll=57.226207,-4.572115&spn=0,359.888506&z=14
15:35:14  <erani> the stig
15:35:57  <KenjiE20> that the one in the BBC White City?
15:36:29  <Rubidium> that doesn't look like the stig in links at all
15:37:23  <KenjiE20> oh Stig
15:37:37  <KenjiE20> only, wider?
15:38:22  <erani> http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Hammersmith,+London+W12+0TT,+UK&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=12.322317,40.253906&ie=UTF8&ll=51.514959,-0.228567&spn=0.001582,0.004914&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=51.514926,-0.228765&panoid=cRXQyRB9ywmaZVKuBSddWw&cbp=12,146.0064180401871,,2,-12.084480108548325
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16:58:24  <peter1138> oh, grrrr, ossec is pissing me off :(
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17:22:55  <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r18916 /trunk/src/crashlog.cpp: -Fix (r18809): Don't rely on 'time.h' being included via dark roads.
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18:45:38  <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r18917 /trunk/src/lang/ (7 files): (log message trimmed)
18:45:38  <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
18:45:38  <CIA-2> OpenTTD: danish - 1 changes by Hatsen
18:45:38  <CIA-2> OpenTTD: lithuanian - 17 changes by BlinK_, Devastator
18:45:38  <CIA-2> OpenTTD: malay - 17 changes by toadhall
18:45:40  <CIA-2> OpenTTD: norwegian_bokmal - 84 changes by mantaray
18:45:40  <CIA-2> OpenTTD: norwegian_nynorsk - 4 changes by mantaray
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20:59:21  <__ln__> @seen Bjarni
20:59:21  <DorpsGek> __ln__: Bjarni was last seen in #openttd 6 days, 23 hours, 18 minutes, and 17 seconds ago: <Bjarni> he already said something
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21:15:42  <__ln__> if i've been taught british pronunciation of english, what are the main points to focus on besides /r/, when emulating american accent?
21:16:19  <peter1138> being annoying?
21:16:52  * __ln__ writes that down
21:16:52  <Prof_Frink> Denying the existence of the letter 'u'?
21:17:23  <__ln__> Prof_Frink: i deny the existence of any letters in pronunciation.
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21:21:19  <Terkhen> hello
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21:21:28  <__ln__> buenas
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21:43:58  <Luukland> Could someone tell me if you can crash someone's trains in multiplayer with your trains?
21:45:39  <TrueBrain> yes; someone could tell you.
21:46:01  <Luukland> Is that a yes or a no?
21:46:04  <Sacro> it's a yes
21:46:08  <Sacro> someone could tell you
21:46:12  <Luukland> >_<
21:46:34  <Sacro> I could tell you
21:46:40  <Luukland> geez, always so difficult getting a good answer here, but let me rephrase
21:46:40  <Sacro> i'm sure TrueBrain could too
21:46:50  <Luukland> Can you crash someone's trains in multiplayer with your trains?
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21:46:52  <Sacro> we both answered your question :)
21:47:01  <Luukland> Without any patches
21:47:31  <TrueBrain> I have absolutely no idea
21:47:35  <Yexo> no
21:47:47  <Rubidium> yes!
21:48:06  <Yexo> ok, if you're picky and "someone' includes yourself, then yse :p
21:48:24  <Luukland> Might I tell you that in 0.7.5 it is possible? And now I am very angry because someone is crashing my trains?
21:48:33  <Luukland> I would like to see this bug fixed
21:48:36  <TrueBrain> no, you may not
21:48:40  <Yexo> then report it :)
21:48:57  <Yexo> including a step-by-step explanation of how to repeat it
21:49:12  <TrueBrain> and a savegame!
21:49:19  <Rubidium> oh sorry, someone said that I should say something else more often, so: "goed gedaan"
21:49:32  <Luukland> I am reporting now, build a depot (company 1) next to the end of the station (company 2), start engine (company 1) when train (company 2) arrives
21:49:36  <TrueBrain> lol @ Rubidium :)
21:49:41  <Luukland> boom, both trains gone
21:49:50  <TrueBrain> Luukland: use http://bugs.openttd.org to report bugs
21:49:56  <Yexo> yes :)
21:49:58  <Luukland> I have my account deleted there
21:50:04  <TrueBrain> create a new one
21:51:01  <Luukland> no thx
21:53:18  <Belugas> no fix then
21:53:43  <erani> why would you anyways want to build and connect your depot to another company's station/railroad
21:53:52  <Yexo> Luukland: I can't reproduce the problem, neither in 0.7.5 nor in 1.0.0-beta3
21:54:01  <Yexo> unless the other person is in the same company of course
21:54:05  <Luukland> Yexo, you need to start train at the RIGHT moment
21:54:09  <erani> ah, true :)
21:54:13  <Luukland> it requires a bit of tweaking
21:54:13  <Rubidium> let me guess, 0.7.5C?
21:55:50  <Luukland> I am not sure if it works with line against line
21:56:02  <Luukland> (as in railroad - railroad)
21:57:15  <SmatZ> oh, I got like thousand of "viagra 80% off" emails, does anyone want some? :)
21:57:31  <SmatZ> I can't ever use that much viagra :-/
21:57:34  <Belugas> ho fuck no, i've got plenty of those emails too...
21:57:34  <Rubidium> TrueBrain likes those IIRC
21:57:50  <Rubidium> SmatZ: maybe the Polish need them for their power lines
21:57:59  <TrueBrain> Rubidium: but we agreed you were going to arrange them from now on
21:58:07  <SmatZ> hehehe
22:08:13  <Luukland> Hmm Yexo, I try to reproduce now
22:08:33  <Luukland> But I can't also, but just 15 mins ago in multiplayer my trains were crashed
22:08:42  <Luukland> 075 normal standard version
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22:16:26  <Belugas> bye boyz
22:17:14  <SpComb^> Luukland: that's a classical one
22:17:21  <SpComb^> Luukland: same thing with train vs road vehicles...
22:17:37  <Luukland> Road vehicle in depot?
22:17:49  <SpComb^> no, road vehicle on level crossing, train on level crossing...
22:17:59  <Luukland> crash the train?
22:18:08  <SpComb^> no..
22:18:18  <Luukland> well.. I am talking about a crashing trains
22:18:20  <Luukland> * train
22:18:24  <Luukland> without signal failure
22:19:26  <Luukland> might you have an idea how to reproduce it SpComb^?
22:19:41  <planetmaker> it's your bug :-P
22:20:08  <planetmaker> and you _demand_ it fixed. So do a damn thing to prove it exists
22:20:11  <SpComb^> I hear people talk of this thing referred to as "prison rules"
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22:21:08  <Luukland> I see, but do you know the exact way to make it happen SpComb^? Cos I only have seen it once
22:21:56  <Xaroth> Luukland: you want something fixed, but you refuse to report it, youclaim that there is a specific bug, yet you cannot reproduce it
22:22:00  <Xaroth> how do you expect it to be fixed?
22:22:48  <Eddi|zuHause> i think Luukland is a way better candidate than PeterT... :p
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22:23:07  <Xaroth> lol
22:23:19  <Xaroth> he came, he spoke, he ran off, giggling like a little girl
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22:23:39  <SpComb^> don't read too much into Eddi's random dropoffs
22:23:57  <Luukland> I know, he is the inventer of how_to_be_an_ass_on_irc.txt
22:27:07  <Luukland> Got it :D Finally
22:28:05  <Luukland> it is some newgrf which makes it possible, regarding new trains
22:28:50  <Luukland> well it is a newgrf bug, so sorry for my harsh entrance, I was a bit pissed, have all a pleasant evening
22:28:50  <TrueBrain> he was spot on ...
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22:29:19  <TrueBrain> cool .. when he is pissed, he can take it out on us :) WHOHO! Always wanted to be a boxball :)
22:29:23  <Yexo> ... and not even telling what newgrf it was
22:29:32  <TrueBrain> not realising that should be fixed too ;)
22:29:38  <Eddi|zuHause> i mean what i said :p
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22:30:00  <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: we already started the vote on it, and he is winning
22:30:39  <Xaroth> can't you just vote both? :o
22:31:06  <Eddi|zuHause> at least PeterT is a person who inherently means well, he's just annoying by amount of hyperactivity
22:31:29  <Eddi|zuHause> Luukland is plain offensive...
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22:36:14  <rait> glx, about the deadlock ...
22:36:45  <glx> again?
22:37:04  <rait> just had same symptoms on r18917 nightly
22:37:52  <glx> weird
22:41:01  <rait> uploading dump ... r18917 x64
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22:50:21  <Nite_Owl> Hello all
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22:52:12  <rait> glx, http://irx.pri.ee/openttd/openttd%20(3).7z
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22:59:34  <rait> glx, is it useful?
22:59:42  <glx> opening it
23:01:16  <glx> well it's still the same, and I don't get why the sound thread is still running
23:02:12  <rait> could it be some other apps messing with it?
23:03:21  <glx> because the sound thread should have receive a message
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23:06:56  <rait> so the mysteri continues ...
23:09:44  <Rubidium> what about just telling the thread to quit and then be done with it? So not waiting on it to actually quit, or wait N msec for it to quite
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23:10:15  <glx> but it seems it doesn't understand it should quit
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23:11:05  <glx> and that makes no sense to me
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23:16:04  <rait> i don't think my 35h uptime can be of any use here. hopefully i can test whatever you come up with tomorrow. night
23:17:59  <Terkhen> good night
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23:37:35  <glx> should be related to server 2008
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23:44:16  <Nite_Owl> Need to feed - later all
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23:50:59  * TrueBrain is happy to see in tcpdump the letters HTTP/1.1 when starting OpenTTD
23:51:01  <TrueBrain> night all
23:51:13  <PeterT> night
23:51:15  <peter1138> uhhuh
23:51:30  <peter1138> ottd phone home
23:51:31  <peter1138> hehe
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