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00:00:00 <SpComb^> apache doesn't let you config them? 00:00:07 <Ammler> http://pastebin.com/m480a4d55 00:00:14 <Ammler> SpComb^: I have no idea 00:00:24 <Ammler> the first time, I setup fcgi 00:00:49 <SpComb^> you can always write a simple wrapper script that sets up the env and then exec's the pngtile.fcgi 00:00:56 <Ammler> in general, it works, also flup installed 00:02:36 <SpComb^> Ammler: http://httpd.apache.org/mod_fcgid/mod/mod_fcgid.html ? 00:03:53 <SpComb^> ubuntu has libapache2-mod-fastcgi and libapache2-mod-fcgid 00:04:53 <SpComb^> mod_fcgid sounds better 00:06:34 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:06:52 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2002:55b4:eb3e:1:6cec:490b:6c0f:568e] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 00:07:06 <Ammler> module is working 00:07:13 <Ammler> AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'application' 00:07:29 <Ammler> File "/home/openttdcoop/domains/maps.openttdcoop.org/cgi-bin/pngtile.fcgi", line 33, in <module> 00:07:42 <SpComb^> hg up 00:07:49 <SpComb^> well, hg pull -u 00:08:47 <SpComb^> (or wget the new dist tarball) 00:08:47 <Ammler> then I need to rebuild? 00:09:09 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 00:09:13 <SpComb^> http://hg.qmsk.net/pngtile/rev/a5e66a48b959 <-- the fix 00:09:39 <SpComb^> the cache format hasn't changed 00:15:32 <Ammler> I need to remove 2.5 from python2.5 00:16:56 <Ammler> malformed header from script. Bad header=prefix /view: pngtile.fcgi 00:17:41 <Ammler> ScriptAliasMatch ^/view(.*) /home/openttdcoop/domains/maps.openttdcoop.org/pngtile/bin/pngtile.fcgi <-- maybe I need to do that a bit other :-) 00:18:33 <SpComb^> urgh, my bad 00:19:18 <SpComb^> update 00:19:42 <Ammler> your bad? 00:19:55 <SpComb^> yeah, forgot to commit the fix for that 00:20:01 <SpComb^> http://hg.qmsk.net/pngtile/rev/2e0f7cbe528f 00:20:08 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-f5f9e253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:21:01 <Ammler> can I pull? 00:21:34 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Quit: ecke] 00:21:59 <Ammler> http://pastebin.ca/1767358 00:22:01 <Ammler> hmm 00:22:14 <Ammler> I might need to sleep "over it" 00:22:28 <Ammler> http://maps.openttdcoop.org/pngtile 00:23:21 <SmatZ> Not Found 00:23:23 <SmatZ> pngtile 00:23:38 <Ammler> yes :-) 00:23:46 <Ammler> but it is from the python 00:24:01 <Ammler> so at least, it looks like my cgi works 00:24:54 <SmatZ> :) 00:24:55 <SpComb^> that looks weird 00:25:20 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:25:50 <SpComb^> http://maps.openttdcoop.org/pngtile/ps173.png <-- the handler works 00:25:53 <Ammler> http://pastebin.ca/1767363 00:26:01 <SpComb^> it's just the /static files that don't, you probably want an Alias or something for those 00:26:47 <Ammler> ah 00:27:31 <SpComb^> /pngtile/static/..., to be exact 00:29:14 <SpComb^> the URL depends on the SCRIPT_NAME, so it's a little magical... depends on the server 00:33:04 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77A15.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:33:25 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75756.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:33:34 <nicecupoftea> nn all 00:33:37 <nicecupoftea> enjoy your pngs 00:34:03 *** nicecupoftea [~daniel@cpc2-bmly8-2-0-cust312.2-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: nicecupoftea] 00:35:14 <Ammler> but that doesn't work, if I use ScriptAliasMatch 00:35:21 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 00:35:55 <SpComb^> Ammler: can't have an Alias inside a ScriptAliasMatch? 00:37:26 <Ammler> I set ^/pngtile(.*) 00:37:39 <Ammler> so everything would be handled by that script 00:37:51 <Ammler> pngtile/static for example 00:38:44 <SpComb^> and you can't have the Alias match before the ScriptAliasMatch? 00:39:58 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:40:53 <SpComb^> Ammler: try having an Alias or AliasMatch *before* the ScriptAliasMatch 00:45:09 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-27-149-138.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:45:50 <Ammler> ok, seems working now: http://maps.openttdcoop.org/pngtile/ 00:46:30 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has joined #openttd 00:47:07 <Ammler> memory issues 00:48:08 <SpComb^> appears a little... spotty to me 00:49:00 *** Tijuanens [~Tijuanens@200.79.144.230.dsl.dyn.telnor.net] has joined #openttd 00:49:08 <Ammler> I guess, I need to change it to static 00:49:29 <Tijuanens> Forum welcomes anybody who hates niggers and isn't a nigger. Asian? No Problem! Jewish? We have Jewish mods! Mexican? Bienvenido amigo! No matter what race you are, join us if you hate niggers! 00:50:31 <SpComb^> Ammler: change what to static? 00:50:48 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!*Tijuanens@*.79.144.230.dsl.dyn.telnor.net] by Rubidium 00:50:48 *** Tijuanens was kicked from #openttd by Rubidium [Tijuanens] 00:51:04 <Sacro> ooh 00:51:07 <Ammler> fcgi static with sockets 00:51:22 <SpComb^> hmm...? 00:51:39 <sawtooth> never even mentioned where the forum was. talk about spam fail :) 00:51:45 <Sacro> if you're gonnaspam about a group that hates niggers then surely you should at least post a url 00:51:45 <Ammler> hmm, 00:51:47 <Ammler> he 00:52:08 <Rubidium> Sacro: but then you'd be autokilled by the network 00:52:33 <Sacro> would i/? 00:53:51 <Rubidium> yes, try spamming such a link to lots of channels, especially #oftc 00:55:04 <Ammler> SpComb^: nvm 00:55:16 <SpComb^> Ammler: sounded confusing :P 00:55:21 <Ammler> :-) 00:55:28 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55928dd9.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:55:36 <Ammler> I was on the howto to setup python fcgi 00:55:42 <glx> and I have an autokb triggered by the url 00:56:20 <Ammler> this guy pmd me with url 00:56:33 <glx> chimp... ? 00:56:44 <Ammler> glx: yes 00:57:49 <SpComb^> Ammler: does your apache config actually launch more than one FastCGI backend? 00:58:11 <SpComb^> the conf you pastebinned earlier looks a little lacking in that regard 00:58:27 <SpComb^> doesn't actually mention FastCGI anywhere :o 01:03:16 <SpComb^> http://www.fastcgi.com/mod_fastcgi/docs/mod_fastcgi.html#FastCgiServer 01:03:28 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C2FB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:04:00 *** KenjiE20|LT [~KenjiE20@host86-166-26-81.range86-166.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 01:04:04 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.21.63.208] has quit [Quit: ????] 01:08:58 <Ammler> tried to add "FastCgiServer /home/openttdcoop/domains/maps.openttdcoop.org/pngtile/bin/pngtile.fcgi -processes 4 -socket /tmp/fcgi.sock" 01:09:47 <Ammler> Invalid command 'FastCgiServer', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration 01:12:15 <SpComb^> do you even have mod_fastcgi loaded? 01:12:48 <SpComb^> I'm not completely familiar with flup, but it'd be amusing if it fell back to CGI if run like that :) 01:24:01 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C2FB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:28:53 <Ammler> hehe 01:29:13 <Ammler> http://maps.openttdcoop.org/ better now: ? 01:30:46 *** PeterT_ [~Peter@c-76-19-210-100.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 01:31:57 *** fjb is now known as Guest71 01:31:58 *** fjb [~frank@p5485FE59.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:35:08 *** PeterT_ is now known as PeterT 01:36:11 <Ammler> yes, if I disable cgi, it doesn't work anymore 01:36:30 <Ammler> so fcgid seems not working... 01:36:40 *** PeterT_ [~chatzilla@c-76-19-210-100.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 01:38:48 *** Guest71 [~frank@p5485E48C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:39:52 <Ammler> Premature end of script headers: pngtile.fcgi 01:42:38 *** JVassie [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:53:46 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C2FB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:59:35 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has quit [Quit: Ping timeout: 540 seconds] 01:59:45 *** PeterT_ [~chatzilla@c-76-19-210-100.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 02:09:25 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has joined #openttd 02:19:32 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 02:37:20 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-210-100.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Goodbye] 02:43:37 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-74-109-44-51.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:51:34 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has quit [Quit: Ping timeout: 540 seconds] 02:52:10 *** fjb [~frank@p5485FE59.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:55:34 *** PeterT 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[~Maedhros@calendular.dur.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:50:06 *** APTX [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 10:02:20 *** Maedhros [~Maedhros@calendular.dur.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 10:02:33 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-74-109-44-51.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 10:05:16 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@45.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 10:05:28 <Terkhen> good morning 10:05:40 <peter1138> hi 10:13:40 *** JVassie [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:14:49 <TrueBrain> lalala 10:17:07 *** xi23 [~xi@78.110.223.65] has joined #openttd 10:17:21 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r18923 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Fix [FS#3565]: Check source stationspec exists before copying layouts. 10:21:19 *** lewymati [~lewymati@host-81-190-18-20.torun.mm.pl] has joined #openttd 10:23:46 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dba8f5c.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:27:53 *** robotboy 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I don't think there are users on the ircserver themself 11:37:10 *** dfox [~dfox@r11jn246.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 11:42:24 *** xi23_ [~xi@78.110.223.65] has joined #openttd 11:46:48 *** xi23 [~xi@78.110.223.65] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:47:36 *** xi23_ [~xi@78.110.223.65] has quit [] 11:47:38 *** xi23 [~xi@78.110.223.65] has joined #openttd 11:54:59 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@45.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 12:02:24 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 12:06:22 <Noldo> TrueBrain: What constitutes a datacenter? 12:07:05 *** Johnmit [~John@93-97-107-116.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:08:31 <Johnmit> For those that are following Apple: Leaked tablet photos could be real? http://bit.ly/9tbkW2 12:08:52 <Eddi|zuHause> nobody here is remotely interested in apple... 12:09:01 <Forked> also we don't trust your shortened url 12:09:09 <TrueBrain> Noldo: try making a suggestion, and I tell you if it is :) 12:10:15 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75756.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:10:30 <Rubidium> basically: does it have multiple filled racks? If so, then probably, if not then unlikely 12:10:45 <Forked> ah right 12:10:50 <Forked> Johnmit: nice try with the rickrolling. also it failed 12:10:53 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75756.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:11:41 <TrueBrain> and is it connected to your home ADSL modem, then it most likely isn't :p 12:11:51 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.21.63.208] has joined #openttd 12:13:34 <Xaroth> Johnmit: rickrolling was so last century.. nowadays there's previewers for bit.ly and warning addons for firefox. 12:13:42 <Xaroth> so no matter how you wrap it up, it won't work. 12:14:34 <Noldo> TrueBrain: well, I have some controll over http://lame.lut.fi/ 12:15:07 <TrueBrain> Noldo: we are not looking for anything that can or might go by you changing your position in that thing 12:15:29 <TrueBrain> in other words: we need mirrors which say yes out of their own perspective, not because of 'for friends' perspective :) 12:15:50 <Rubidium> "Apache/2.2.9 (Debian) Server at 10.0.0.34 Port 80" <- yeah, that's lame :) 12:16:12 <Noldo> Rubidium: you happen to know how to fake that btw ;) 12:16:15 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: to be fair it's like the SNT 12:16:18 <Johnmit> Xaroth - yeah I know, but its still fun to reminisce 12:16:32 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: no, SNT agreed on it by their own, not because you or I asked them ;) 12:16:45 <Johnmit> and admittedly it works better on twitter then IRC... 12:17:30 <Xaroth> depends on the irc channel tbh 12:17:31 * Rubidium wonders why I, as a Dutchy, get so annoyed by then v. than 12:17:40 <SpComb^> http://qmsk.net/~terom/stuff/P6029799.JPG <-- would this make a good mirror? 12:17:46 <SpComb^> it's, err, well, kind of rack-mounted, in a way 12:17:56 <SpComb^> and I hope you don't mind if I'd turn it off at night so I can sleep? :) 12:17:59 <Xaroth> Rubidium: too much time with petern? 12:18:10 <TrueBrain> Noldo: so if you can promise something long term, it is a more-than-welcome mirror 12:18:25 <Xaroth> it's been said he kills a kitten every time somebody mixes up then/than 12:19:01 <Noldo> TrueBrain: I'll ask 12:19:13 <peter1138> SpComb^, odd angle... 12:19:19 <SpComb^> peter1138: heat rises 12:19:29 <peter1138> true 12:19:52 <Tera> SpComb^: *facepalm* 12:21:47 <Xaroth> SpComb^: big issue is, where does the cool air come in :P 12:22:01 <Xaroth> unless there's holes in that board :P 12:22:20 <Rubidium> that reminds me of that instance when the SNT had some cooling problems 12:22:40 <SpComb^> pfft, there's at least a 20cm^2 air gap between the door and the bottom of the shoe-rack cabinet 12:23:56 <SpComb^> and the door's a little crooked, so there's plenty of open space around the edges around the top 12:24:36 <Johnmit> Xaroth do you mean the board that's made out of slats? 12:25:01 <Johnmit> SpComb^ - so it gets plenty of air because the furniture is badly built? 12:25:11 <SpComb^> quite 12:25:38 <SpComb^> it's a netburst, it's *supposed* to run hot :) 12:27:24 <Xaroth> SpComb^: heh 12:34:26 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2002:55b4:eb3e:1:fcab:680a:214:71e5] has joined #openttd 12:37:39 *** bartaway is now known as bartavelle 12:38:03 <bartavelle> yo 12:42:22 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@2002:5ce3:5901:1:fcab:680a:214:71e5] has joined #openttd 12:44:10 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DB826.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:45:54 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: yexo * r18924 /trunk/src/ai/api/ai_order.cpp: -Fix [NoAI]: AIOrder::GetOrderDestination could return a non-waypoint tile when the waypoint was a multitile waypoint 12:49:20 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2002:55b4:eb3e:1:fcab:680a:214:71e5] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:49:21 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 12:57:50 *** xi23_ [~xi@78.110.223.65] has joined #openttd 13:00:00 <Eddi|zuHause> oh this noise really drives me nuts... 13:01:47 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@38-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 13:02:19 *** xi23 [~xi@78.110.223.65] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:02:22 *** Yexo is now known as Guest132 13:02:23 *** Yexo_ is now known as Yexo 13:03:17 <SpComb^> Eddi|zuHause: you get used to it over time 13:03:41 <Eddi|zuHause> you mean: you get deaf over time 13:03:56 <SpComb^> weel, turn the music up louder 13:06:26 *** DJ_Danni [DJ_Danni@88.149.48.164] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:06:30 *** DJ_Danni [DJ_Danni@88.149.48.164] has joined #openttd 13:07:10 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: yexo * r18925 /trunk/src/ai/api/ai_order.cpp: -Fix (r18924): a waypoint can have a buoy but no rail waypoint tile 13:07:23 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:89b9:eaf7:42a3:53f2] has joined #openttd 13:07:26 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:08:08 *** Guest132 [~Yexo@38-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:46:48 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dba8f5c.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 13:49:37 *** tosse_ [tosse@tosse.pp.se] has left #openttd [] 13:50:22 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.98] has joined #openttd 14:05:58 <Belugas> hello 14:27:02 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@79.88.140.21] has joined #openttd 14:28:04 *** xorkrus [xorkrus@ip-67-189.interbild.net] has joined #openttd 14:28:06 *** xorkrus [xorkrus@ip-67-189.interbild.net] has quit [] 14:29:32 *** xi23_ [~xi@78.110.223.65] has quit [] 14:29:33 *** xi23 [~xi@78.110.223.65] has joined #openttd 14:40:01 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.98] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 14:46:06 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.98] has joined #openttd 14:46:30 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.98] has quit [] 15:05:51 *** JVassie^ [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:10:49 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fc414.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 15:12:26 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.230.163] has joined #openttd 15:13:04 *** JVassie [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:15:29 *** lewymati [~lewymati@host-81-190-18-20.torun.mm.pl] has quit [] 15:24:01 *** JimD [~JimD@c-24-91-145-175.hsd1.vt.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 15:24:45 <JimD> Hello 15:25:10 <JimD> Has anyone ever developed a way to have fastforward mode in multiplayer? 15:25:27 <Rubidium> yes 15:25:48 <Rubidium> somehow none of the clients could keep up 15:26:15 <Rubidium> quickly they lagged more than 4 game days and got booted from the server 15:29:00 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@38-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 15:29:12 *** Yexo is now known as Guest148 15:29:12 *** Yexo_ is now known as Yexo 15:32:04 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 15:32:55 *** Maedhros [~Maedhros@calendular.dur.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:33:36 *** Guest148 [~Yexo@38-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:34:47 <JimD> Is there simply an increased game speed instead of fast forward? 15:35:45 <Rubidium> you can 'hack' the source to make the time of a tick shorter, but that might give lags at the clients 15:37:28 *** DJ_Danni [DJ_Danni@88.149.48.164] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:38:02 *** DJ_Danni [DJ_Danni@ftth-239-61.hive.is] has joined #openttd 15:50:23 <peter1138> more likely to drop off 15:57:38 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.230.163] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 16:05:26 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.230.163] has joined #openttd 16:13:23 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F93D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:17:17 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.230.163] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:18:40 <Belugas> stupid bank... Me:"i need a serial cable for that unit" B:"i don't know what you mean (...) here are 4 cable types, choose the one you need" Me:"the green one will be fine. it's a serial connector. But where is the power pack?". B:"You don't need one, the power comes from the computer" Me:"And why is there a connector for a 12v input on the connector?" B:"I don't know what you mean" 16:18:51 <Belugas> stupid stupid stupid! 16:19:51 <peter1138> yes, silly 16:19:57 <peter1138> serial port does not provide power :s 16:20:43 <fjb> Serial port? Don't know what you mean. :-P 16:21:45 *** Johnmit` [~John@93-97-107-116.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:26:34 <Belugas> the funny thing : they gave me serial, ethernet, usb and standalone. All of them DO require power :P 16:26:54 <Belugas> fjb: it was before your time ;) 16:27:03 *** Johnmit [~John@93-97-107-116.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:27:14 <Rubidium> Belugas: USB provides (some) power 16:27:27 <fjb> :-P 16:27:41 <peter1138> probably not enough for it 16:27:42 <Eddi|zuHause> not enough to spin up a hard drive, though ;) 16:27:42 <Rubidium> and there's also PoE (power over ethernet) 16:27:48 <glx> up to 250mA IIRC 16:27:59 <peter1138> 500mA 16:28:00 <peter1138> 2.5W 16:28:04 <glx> ha right 16:30:01 <Rubidium> anyhow... the good old days of interlink :) 16:30:38 <Belugas> the unit do requires 12v and tolerates 600ma to 1A. 16:30:40 <Belugas> youhou 16:35:42 <peter1138> 7.2W then 16:35:53 <Rubidium> so PoE is enough :) 16:39:21 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:89b9:eaf7:42a3:53f2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:40:19 *** Phalax [~kvirc@84.19.128.89] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:44:03 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 16:44:06 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 16:52:59 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-118-95.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:53:45 <Belugas> right 16:55:05 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-206-147.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 16:55:08 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 16:56:29 *** Phalax [~kvirc@84.19.128.89] has joined #openttd 17:09:11 *** lork [~lork@ip-94-42-27-234.multimo.pl] has joined #openttd 17:10:10 *** lork [~lork@ip-94-42-27-234.multimo.pl] has quit [] 17:18:23 *** Phalax [~kvirc@84.19.128.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:25:12 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dba8f5c.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:31:39 *** Phalax [~kvirc@84.19.128.89] has joined #openttd 17:35:39 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:40:07 *** Trenskow [~trenskow@0x535fd846.arcnxx19.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 17:40:46 *** Bluelight [~Ivan@216.80-203-77.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 17:45:14 *** bartavelle is now known as bartaway 17:46:39 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... anyone else getting "connection refused" on tt-forums? 17:47:05 <Eddi|zuHause> "network unreachable" 17:47:13 <Eddi|zuHause> orudge? 17:47:46 <murr4y> front page works fine here 17:47:52 *** Trenskow [~trenskow@0x535fd846.arcnxx19.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Trenskow] 17:53:25 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 17:53:32 *** Penda [~Penda@host-83-166-20-174.hernonet.se] has joined #openttd 17:54:08 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... weird... it works from the other computer... 17:54:28 <Eddi|zuHause> but other websites work fine... 17:56:14 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.98] has joined #openttd 17:57:59 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 18:02:00 <frosch123> you got banned? 18:02:44 *** Phalax [~kvirc@84.19.128.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:14:57 *** Phalax [~kvirc@84.19.128.89] has joined #openttd 18:16:29 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: both computers have the same public ip 18:24:45 <orudge> Eddi|zuHause: IPv6? 18:25:03 <orudge> or is it fine now? 18:25:08 <orudge> everything seems fine for me, anyway 18:27:36 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, that might be possible, that i have IPv6 in my local network, and it can't get out of there... 18:27:44 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dba8f5c.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 18:28:05 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d199-126-251-5.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 18:30:24 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.98] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 18:32:04 *** Phalax [~kvirc@84.19.128.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:34:02 *** Phalax [~kvirc@84.19.128.89] has joined #openttd 18:37:59 *** fjb [~frank@p5485FE59.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:38:46 *** Phoenix_the_II [~ralph@j104051.upc-j.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:38:51 <orudge> Eddi|zuHause: does http://ipv4.tt-forums.net/ work? 18:39:41 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, ipv4.* works, ipv6.* does not 18:39:51 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:40:43 *** Phoenix_the_II [~ralph@j104051.upc-j.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 18:40:45 <glx> I lost IPv6 for OFTC 18:41:08 <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, not worth digging into from my side... 18:45:26 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r18926 /trunk/src/lang/ (romanian.txt ukrainian.txt unfinished/vietnamese.txt): 18:45:26 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:26 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: romanian - 3 changes by kkmic 18:45:26 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: ukrainian - 2 changes by Madvin 18:45:26 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: vietnamese - 738 changes by myquartz 18:47:05 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18927 /trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs): -Change: move Vietnamese out of unfinished 18:50:55 <Eddi|zuHause> so wt3 does not handle the unfinished part? 18:52:14 <Rubidium> it doesn't move the files around 18:55:34 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.230.163] has joined #openttd 19:01:13 <Rubidium> but it handles unfinished, as you can see just before 738 changes were made 19:06:12 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 19:06:31 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aeje105.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 19:07:19 *** welshdragon is now known as Guest181 19:07:19 *** welshdragon [~markmac@149.254.182.144] has joined #openttd 19:10:43 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 19:13:39 *** Guest181 [~markmac@147.143.230.163] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:22:03 <Ammler> it isn't possible to join a server with a dedicated version, I assume? 19:27:12 <FauxFaux> Why would you want to do that? 19:29:42 <Ammler> for a "webcam" :-) 19:31:54 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-206-147.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:32:52 <peter1138> you could probably cobble something together 19:33:27 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:34:08 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-67-59.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 19:34:11 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 19:37:31 <Ammler> looks like it does simply ignore -n 19:40:53 *** Phoenix_the_II [~ralph@j104051.upc-j.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:44:51 *** welshdragon [~markmac@149.254.182.144] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 19:52:24 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r18928 /trunk/src/timetable_gui.cpp: -Fix (r18304): The date in case of 'early arrival' was misaligned in the timetable GUI. 19:55:42 <Ammler> hmm, today, I don't find the screenshots anymore :-o 19:55:55 <Ammler> SpComb^: seems to be right with "randomly" locations 20:03:17 <Ammler> ups, there it is :-) 20:03:50 <Ammler> (seems like you need to define the blitter with -b, it doesn't read from the cfg in the dedicated version) 20:04:48 <peter1138> it's spelled, and pronounced, "oops" 20:07:41 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r18929 /trunk/src/vehicle_base.h: -Fix [FS#3568]: Preserve some timetable related vehicle flags during autorenew/-replace. 20:12:31 *** PeterT [~Test@c-76-19-210-100.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:12:44 *** PeterT [~Test@c-76-19-210-100.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:19:03 *** stalwart10 [~aagocs@dsl5401CCD5.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 20:31:06 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Quit: AS A VAGINA ONCE SAID: <yorick> SOMEONE BAN HIM] 20:31:28 *** JVassie^ [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:31:32 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@79.88.140.21] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 20:33:01 *** JVassie [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:36:04 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFB1ED.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:51:23 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r18930 /trunk/src/ai/api/ (ai_group.cpp ai_group.hpp): -Fix: [NoAI] Autoreplace is also valid for the default group. 20:51:50 *** Bluelight [~Ivan@216.80-203-77.nextgentel.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:54:17 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r18931 /trunk/src/ (autoreplace_cmd.cpp company_cmd.cpp): -Fix: Disabling autoreplace rules might count invalid engines. 20:57:03 *** Bluelight [~Ivan@216.80-203-77.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 20:58:04 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@162.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 21:02:01 *** Dessous [~DaMan@a88-115-70-173.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 21:02:13 *** Luukland [~Luukland@ip195-211-208-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 21:03:29 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aeje105.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 21:14:43 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Administr@89.246.203.123] has joined #openttd 21:20:19 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-24-12-4-37.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:21:43 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Administr@89.246.218.120] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:24:04 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F93D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:31:51 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dba8f5c.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:42:21 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has joined #openttd 21:46:30 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fc414.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:46:54 *** DJ_Danni [DJ_Danni@ftth-239-61.hive.is] has left #openttd [] 21:52:09 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 21:55:17 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g227089001.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 21:55:17 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2002:5ce3:5901:1:fcab:680a:214:71e5] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:55:17 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 21:58:00 <Terkhen> good night 21:58:01 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@162.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 22:00:58 <stalwart10> is there any way to change the date format in openttd? I've been grepping through the source until I found a hard-coded format, is it possible to internationalize it? 22:01:39 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-206-088.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Something strange must have happened...] 22:08:18 <Rubidium> stalwart10: the date format where? 22:08:29 <stalwart10> for example in the status bar 22:08:53 <Rubidium> that's 'customisable' via the language file 22:08:53 <stalwart10> it would be nice to change from d/m/y to somethind else 22:09:00 <stalwart10> oh 22:09:12 <stalwart10> it looks very cryptic 22:09:35 <stalwart10> what does "{STRING} {STRING} {NUM}" mean? 22:10:36 <Rubidium> take a string from the 'stack', take another string from the 'stack' and take a number from the 'stack' 22:10:42 <Luukland> stalwart, you can use LONG, ISO, SHORT format 22:10:42 <stalwart10> ahhh 22:10:54 <Rubidium> e.g. Japanese has a different format 22:10:58 <stalwart10> oh 22:11:05 <stalwart10> thanks 22:11:07 <Luukland> Advanced settings -> Interface -> Display Options 22:11:09 <stalwart10> I am gonna check that 22:11:39 <Luukland> AH no, that is for savegame only 22:11:40 <Luukland> my bad 22:11:42 <stalwart10> luukland: that's for the file name 22:11:57 <stalwart10> for the statusbar 22:12:07 <stalwart10> I can change between short and long 22:12:20 <stalwart10> I will see the japanese version 22:12:25 <Luukland> you can make a patch for it :) 22:12:30 <stalwart10> hope I can change back to normal 22:12:35 <stalwart10> guess so :-) 22:14:10 <stalwart10> now it looks like a translation issue 22:14:18 <stalwart10> I am even less familiar with the translator 22:14:22 <Rubidium> the hebrew date is the most fun :) 22:15:09 <stalwart10> why is that? 22:15:22 <stalwart10> besides the cryptic charaters :-) 22:15:45 <Rubidium> it's a right-to-left language 22:16:04 <stalwart10> yes 22:16:07 <stalwart10> hmm 22:16:11 <Rubidium> and the 'reorder' algorithm messes with the order of the numbers 22:16:31 <stalwart10> like the {LRM} part? 22:16:33 <Rubidium> so you need to do a bit more persuasion to make sure it does it right 22:16:43 <Rubidium> stalwart10: yes 22:17:05 <Rubidium> and the } and so that look incorrect 22:17:14 <Rubidium> (well, at least here it looks incorrect) 22:18:46 <Eddi|zuHause> what if i want to translate the date into islamic calender? 22:19:10 <stalwart10> :-) 22:19:16 <stalwart10> I think it means a patch 22:19:35 <stalwart10> Now I'm happy because I could change the date format for my language 22:20:03 *** JimD [~JimD@c-24-91-145-175.hsd1.vt.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 22:20:47 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: then you're probably breaking NewGRFs and the likes 22:21:51 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: not if the change is limited to gui 22:22:15 <Eddi|zuHause> i.e. it still counts the christian date internally 22:22:24 <Rubidium> but... monthly saves 22:22:39 <Rubidium> makes things quite tricky 22:22:51 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: it shouldn't be more difficult than kilometer/mile and the like 22:23:29 *** Luukland [~Luukland@ip195-211-208-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has left #openttd [] 22:23:45 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: really? Tell me how many days the first month has :) 22:23:47 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't know... does the islamic calender have months? 22:24:01 <stalwart10> Eddi: :-) 22:24:11 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: yes, it has months 22:24:16 <stalwart10> I think wikipedia knows 22:24:31 <Eddi|zuHause> i guess it's moon based, like the jewish calender 22:25:21 <Rubidium> "A majority of theologians oppose the use of calculations on the grounds that the Qur'an requires direct sighting in Surah al-Baqarah 2:185 [19] and that calculations would not conform with Muhammad's recommendation to observe the new moon of Ramadan and Shawal in order to determine the beginning of these months.[20]" 22:25:36 <Rubidium> that quote tells me enough :) 22:27:04 <Eddi|zuHause> that doesn't sound much different than most of the protestant countries opposing to the gregorian calender for centuries... 22:27:04 <Rubidium> and actually, one could argue that someone in India and America could observe the new moon on a different day 22:27:15 <Rubidium> as such their months start at a different day 22:27:53 <Rubidium> on the other hand... 22:28:06 <stalwart10> I fixed the date format, and know I want to put it in the translator 22:28:13 <stalwart10> but I am not allowed 22:28:23 <stalwart10> so can I send it as a patch? 22:29:08 <Rubidium> disable "Always show long date in the status bar" + a NewGRF to change the introduction dates and you're done :) 22:30:11 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:30:27 <Rubidium> although... it's a good argument against visible climate changes throughout the year 22:30:51 <Rubidium> stalwart10: just become a translator? 22:31:03 <stalwart10> I've tried that 22:31:11 <stalwart10> I clicked and everything 22:31:13 <stalwart10> but it is closed 22:31:21 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F93D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:31:21 <stalwart10> it really one single string 22:32:26 <Rubidium> I've heard that before and before we knew it he had 100 'single' strings that were wrong and needed fixing 22:32:44 <stalwart10> oh 22:32:46 <Rubidium> anyhow, you might want to read the page once you clicked on 'faq' 22:33:36 <stalwart10> Rubidium: good point 22:36:23 *** aber [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has joined #openttd 22:36:27 <Rubidium> actually, it's quite likely that your language isn't even fully translated 22:36:41 <stalwart10> it is, it says so 22:36:54 <stalwart10> just the date format is not correct 22:37:34 <Rubidium> hmm, what language are we speaking about then? 22:37:43 <stalwart10> Hungarian 22:37:55 <Rubidium> that has two untranslated strings 22:38:03 <stalwart10> oh 22:38:05 <stalwart10> since when? 22:38:27 <stalwart10> I can see it 22:38:52 <stalwart10> these must be nasty strings introduced in a recent revision :-) 22:39:07 <Rubidium> the 22nd 22:40:16 <stalwart10> maybe 5 days is not that bad? 22:40:39 <stalwart10> how far away is the new stable? 22:40:57 <Rubidium> at least 1 release candidate 22:41:29 <Rubidium> (or in other words, there's no definite date) 22:41:45 <stalwart10> I see 22:42:21 <Rubidium> although, since 1.0 hasn't been branched it'll be some weeks at least 22:42:28 <aber> I am color...blind 22:42:28 <aber> Coffee black and egg white 22:42:28 <aber> There is one thing i don't like about the new graphics, its the "Click to stop all trains inside the depot" and the "Click to start..." Button. 22:43:23 <Rubidium> aber: new graphics == OpenGFX? 22:43:30 <SmatZ> aber: same problem here ;) 22:43:54 <aber> right. OpenGFX 22:44:02 <SmatZ> also, red button usually implies "start recording" for me :-) 22:45:24 <stalwart10> SmatZ: it is not that bad, because these are the same buttons the vehicles have 22:45:35 <Rubidium> in that case I suggest that you file a bug report/feature request about it at their official tracker 22:47:51 *** Penda [~Penda@host-83-166-20-174.hernonet.se] has quit [Quit: Penda] 22:49:21 <peter1138> oh, yeah, they used a blob instead of a flag 22:50:32 <aber> Totally different thing, who or where is openttd.org hosted? It takes about one minute for me to open a page. 22:51:01 <SmatZ> "Powered By LeaseWeb" 22:51:07 <SmatZ> I don't have any problem though 22:51:25 <stalwart10> other totally different thing: I get sometimes a message in the console: "dbg: [misc] String too long for destination buffer" what does this mean? 22:51:43 <SmatZ> stalwart10: a string is too long for destination buffer 22:52:03 <SmatZ> in other words, you will probably see incomplete strings being drawn 22:52:37 <Rubidium> would be nice to know what the exact circumstances are to get that debug message 22:52:49 <aber> This is an networking thing. My network Connection is not to bad :D at all. 22:54:08 <Rubidium> aber: is it a specific page that loads slow, or is it just *everything*? 22:54:34 <Rubidium> might you have (locally) enabled IPv6 and that doesn't get routed to the internet? 22:55:02 <Rubidium> in that case, does tt-forums.net load as slow too? 22:56:34 <aber> i have an IPv adress... And i had this problem with also inside the forum. 22:56:51 <Rubidium> aber: ipv4.tt-forums.net works quick? 22:57:30 *** Johnmit` [~John@93-97-107-116.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Going, Going...... Go] 22:58:18 <aber> at the moment the forums thems to be really quick, while contacting openttd.org take quite a while. 22:59:30 <Rubidium> does disabling IPv6 help? 23:01:11 <aber> okay, wooow. Its so fast. 23:03:09 <stalwart10> SmatZ: where this string might be coming from? 23:03:58 <aber> so, a problem with my non working IPv6 setup? 23:04:03 <SmatZ> stalwart10: it doesn't happen for me when using English language - it is probably caused by language file you are using or by a newgrf 23:04:07 <Rubidium> aber: yes 23:04:28 <SmatZ> stalwart10: does it happen when you open one spiecific window? 23:04:39 <stalwart10> SmatZ: when I load a game 23:04:45 <stalwart10> without newgrf's 23:04:52 <stalwart10> in Hungarian 23:05:45 <SmatZ> stalwart10: can you post the savegame? 23:08:49 <SmatZ> hmm 23:08:57 <stalwart10> I am on it 23:09:07 <SmatZ> stalwart10: does a "NoAI Debug" window open after loading that game? 23:09:19 <stalwart10> no 23:09:22 <SmatZ> :( 23:09:30 <stalwart10> there are no competitors 23:10:18 <Eddi|zuHause> <stalwart10> other totally different thing: I get sometimes a message in the console: "dbg: [misc] String too long for destination buffer" what does this mean? <-- you happen to use cargodist? 23:10:47 <stalwart10> Eddi: no, I don't use any newgrf extras 23:11:04 <Xaroth> ca.. nevermind 23:12:05 <Eddi|zuHause> i only get that message in cargodist, not in trunk... 23:12:19 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: heffer] 23:15:53 <SmatZ> stalwart10: maybe it happens when you open the "load game" dialog? 23:16:11 *** rait [~rait@82.131.26.58.cable.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:16:17 <stalwart10> SmatZ: no 23:16:27 <SmatZ> :( 23:16:28 <stalwart10> when I actually load the game 23:20:10 <SmatZ> stalwart10: if you can compile, you can try adding breakpoint (crashpoint ;) to string.cpp:86 23:20:19 <SmatZ> and have a look at the backtrace 23:20:45 <stalwart10> SmatZ: I will try that 23:22:14 *** fjb [~frank@p5485FE59.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:22:57 <fjb> Moin 23:23:40 <SmatZ> hello fjb 23:24:43 <stalwart10> SmatZ: strange, I added simple exit call and now I don't even get the message 23:25:25 <SmatZ> stalwart10: and does it exit? 23:25:36 <stalwart10> SmatZ: no 23:25:37 <SmatZ> it's possible buffers aren't flushed or so 23:25:39 <SmatZ> ah, hmm 23:25:44 <stalwart10> the whole message is gone 23:25:50 <stalwart10> the problem is gone 23:25:52 <SmatZ> :-D 23:26:06 <SmatZ> perhaps there was something broken in your build or lang file 23:26:09 <stalwart10> a strange way to solve a problem, but thanks :-) 23:26:15 <SmatZ> you are welcome ;) 23:26:17 <stalwart10> maybe 23:26:42 <SmatZ> I hope it won't be back when you remove that exit() 23:26:54 <stalwart10> it did not come back 23:26:57 <SmatZ> :-) 23:26:58 <stalwart10> hope it stays this way 23:27:13 <stalwart10> I upgraded something in a lang file 23:27:22 <stalwart10> maybe that was the source of the problem 23:27:40 <SmatZ> maybe it wasn't up-to-date 23:27:58 <stalwart10> maybe 23:28:20 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:34:03 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.159] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:34:16 <__ln__> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/18/world/europe/18iht-women.html 23:37:16 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.98] has joined #openttd 23:42:31 *** rait [~rait@82.131.26.58.cable.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 23:43:56 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: that can only happen in west germany... in east germany a majority of women were working, and schools generally had (optional) afternoon services for their children (called "Hort") 23:46:18 <__ln__> "Western wives, by contrast, until 1977 officially needed husbands' permission to work." 23:46:25 * SmatZ can't understand how woman can prefer work over children 23:48:46 <__ln__> but a man can? 23:49:19 <Rubidium> what if they work with their 'brainchild' 23:49:27 <Markk> __ln__: that sounds like Spain? 23:49:36 <SmatZ> there's a history of millions of years of evolution 23:50:32 <Markk> Ah, missed a bit :) 23:52:54 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.98] has left #openttd [] 23:53:25 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.98] has joined #openttd 23:53:36 <peter1138> easy 23:53:48 <peter1138> work pays money, children just cost money 23:54:16 <Markk> It's a long time investment 23:54:17 <Markk> Sort of 23:54:51 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Tsch?ss] 23:55:26 <Eddi|zuHause> but... "capitalistic" thinking is all about short time gain... 23:55:37 <Rubidium> Markk: why? Because when I'm (age) eligble for retirement the whole system of me getting some money has been overturned... and I reckon the banks pull another 'bye bye money' trick out of their hat 23:55:47 <Eddi|zuHause> screwing over the next generation by any means possible 23:55:59 <Markk> Eddi|zuHause: of course :) 23:56:56 <Markk> Rubidium: yeah, but I was more thinking of a long time investment for the society and for the country, not for the parent 23:56:58 <Rubidium> and if we would follow evolution, females would be pregnant *earlier*, not later 23:59:09 <Rubidium> Markk: the long time effects of everyone breeding aren't that good, especially for hereditary diseases and such 23:59:59 <Markk> Good point