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00:00:12 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B49.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:00:19 *** Tennel [~Tennel@88.150.10.254] has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:01:39 <__ln__> Eddi|zuHause: yes, that was an ad hoc extension 00:01:56 *** Penda [~Penda@host-83-166-20-174.hernonet.se] has quit [Quit: Penda] 00:03:28 <Zuu> Good night 00:03:32 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-f5f9e253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:04:10 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D138.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:05:26 *** Tennel [~Tennel@88.150.10.254] has joined #openttd 00:05:34 <NekoMaster> hmm 00:05:36 <NekoMaster> what now? 00:08:21 <Eddi|zuHause> SpComb: why does your log replace "ss" with "ss"? 00:08:42 <NekoMaster> Um, doesnt that symbol mean ss? 00:08:50 <JVassie> yep 00:09:01 <JVassie> but why not use "ss"? 00:09:12 <NekoMaster> so... Grosser would be Grosser 00:09:29 <Eddi|zuHause> NekoMaster: yes, but that is not the point 00:09:29 <JVassie> Strasse = Strasse 00:09:32 <JVassie> etc 00:10:30 <SpComb> Eddi|zuHause: curious, it does? 00:11:11 <SpComb> hmm 00:11:27 <Eddi|zuHause> SpComb: yeah, just check the few lines i posted above 00:11:28 <NekoMaster> The reson why everyone doesn't use ss for ss is because not every one has that on their keyboard 00:11:44 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has quit [Quit: Ping timeout: 540 seconds] 00:11:52 <NekoMaster> I have a Standard USA Media KeyBoard with a Euro sign on the 5 along with % 00:11:52 <PeterT> I doubt that's the reason 00:11:59 <SpComb> Eddi|zuHause: looks like an irssi feature 00:12:34 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... so what does it do with ???? 00:12:36 <NekoMaster> well Im not going to type in the ALT+NumKey code every time I need to do a ss 00:13:11 <Eddi|zuHause> ... apparently it replaces them with "???" 00:13:51 <NekoMaster> those just show you have to pronounce those letters differntly 00:14:11 <NekoMaster> French and Spanish have thouse, amongst other languages 00:14:47 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B49.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:15:07 <PeterT> Eddi|zuHause joins and leaves too often... 00:15:12 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B49.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:15:15 <SpComb> 02:14 term_charset = ANSI_X3.4-1968 00:15:20 <SpComb> I wonder how the hell I managed to do that 00:15:23 <__ln__> does this mean the whole logs of all time have been translitterated by accident? 00:15:25 <NekoMaster> um, more like his connection died to offten 00:15:25 <Eddi|zuHause> haha :p 00:15:35 <SpComb> __ln__: not of all time, no 00:15:40 <NekoMaster> *dies 00:15:48 <SpComb> Àöe 00:16:23 <PeterT> Eddi|zuHause: Why do you join so often? 00:16:59 <__ln__> PeterT: please learn to read. 00:17:11 <PeterT> __ln__: Did I ask you? 00:17:19 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has joined #openttd 00:17:31 <NekoMaster> If you look at the message when he leaves, it says (Remote host closed the connection) 00:17:45 <NekoMaster> rather then (Quit: Leaving) 00:17:51 <PeterT> So it's based on his crappy connection? 00:17:52 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't join more often than i leave... 00:17:56 <NekoMaster> yeah 00:18:03 <SpComb> terminal's a little weird still... invoking screen's utf8 magic "fixes" it 00:18:24 <PeterT> Eddi|zuHause: Eddi|zuHause couldn't decide whether to stay or go. 2639 joins during this reporting period! 00:18:29 <PeterT> from the stats page 00:18:32 <SpComb> I once tired to read screen's source code, for the utf8 bits... I couldn't make heads or tails of the code 00:18:33 <NekoMaster> Wow 00:19:23 <Eddi|zuHause> PeterT: how many days is that? 00:20:23 <Eddi|zuHause> unless i have really bad connection, it the per-day ratio should be 1+epsilon 00:21:33 <SpComb> bah, seems the encodings have been broken for a while 00:22:04 <SpComb> probably since the first reboot of SpBot 00:23:19 <NekoMaster> hmm 00:23:33 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc 2639/1274 00:23:33 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 2.07142857143 00:23:34 <SpComb> there's a cron @reboot that boots up screen + irssi, I assume that runs with some weird "terminal" 00:23:51 <PeterT> @calc 123456789/987654321 00:24:33 <NekoMaster> @calc 1*100/2 00:24:33 <DorpsGek> NekoMaster: 50 00:24:34 <Eddi|zuHause> PeterT: like i said, on average, it's not that bad... 00:24:36 <NekoMaster> lol 00:24:46 <NekoMaster> @calc 1F to C 00:24:46 <DorpsGek> NekoMaster: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1) 00:24:48 <NekoMaster> lol 00:24:56 <PeterT> I got it then 00:25:00 <PeterT> hmm DorpsGek ignores me 00:25:05 * PeterT fires up ChatZilla 00:25:13 <NekoMaster> Im on Chatzilla 00:25:24 <PeterT> Metal or Award :-P 00:25:30 <NekoMaster> How about pie 00:25:32 <NekoMaster> :3 00:25:49 *** PeterT_ [~chatzilla@c-76-19-210-100.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 00:26:49 <SpComb> Eddi|zuHause: thanks for pointing it out, though 00:26:57 <Eddi|zuHause> PS: these stats clearly support my point that the day does not end on midnight 00:27:24 <PeterT_> @calc 123456789/987654321 00:27:24 <DorpsGek> PeterT_: 0.124999998861 00:27:30 *** PeterT_ [~chatzilla@c-76-19-210-100.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [] 00:27:39 <NekoMaster> no, the official day in your time zone ends at midnight, but your day doesnt end till you goto sleep 00:27:56 <Eddi|zuHause> is it just me, or does ignore-circumvention warrant a ban? 00:27:56 <SpComb> tomorrow -> to-morrow -> next morning 00:27:58 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 00:28:20 <PeterT> Eddi|zuHause: It was completely unfair to ignore me 00:28:58 <SpComb> PeterT: do you *really* need DorpsGek? I can make do quite fine without... 00:29:11 <PeterT> SpComb: For @seen, yes 00:29:15 <Eddi|zuHause> NekoMaster: the stats clearly say that 6AM is the time of least activity 00:29:27 <SpComb> PeterT: and @calc? 00:29:34 <PeterT> not necesarry, no 00:29:51 <SpComb> PeterT: then perhaps you see why you might have been blacklisted.. 00:30:07 <PeterT> SpComb: I'm not the only one who uses @calc 00:30:09 <PeterT> SpComb: Ok 00:30:25 <PeterT> SpComb: Don't you love being highlighted three times when you know I'm already talking to you? :-) 00:31:37 <Eddi|zuHause> PeterT: and you REALLY wonder why people ignore you? :p 00:32:16 * SpComb creates a new ticket in his issue tracker on this conversation and assigns PeterT to the nosy list 00:32:30 <NekoMaster> : o 00:32:36 <SpComb> wouldn't it be fun if your issue tracker was integrated with IRC, so every time someone said something on IRC, you'd get an email? 00:33:02 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, i want to get 10000 emails per day :p 00:33:11 <NekoMaster> SpComb: no, cuase then your inbox would get so full 00:33:15 <PeterT> that would be the greatest fun in the world 00:33:21 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:33:21 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 00:33:25 <NekoMaster> especially for someone like me who hardly checks my mail 00:33:48 <PeterT> then it would hardly be a problem for you 00:33:53 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77B52.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:34:01 *** Chrill [~chrischri@h-16-169.A149.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [] 00:34:13 <Eddi|zuHause2> ok... that was a real disconnect, and i forgot to set the display variable again... 00:35:57 <NekoMaster> Awesome! Locomotion works in wine! 00:36:01 <NekoMaster> on Ubuntu! 00:36:54 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.98] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 00:37:05 <Ammler> some old windows games might work better with wine that on Windows7 00:37:10 <Eddi|zuHause2> doesn't surprise me 00:37:13 <NekoMaster> Well 00:37:15 <NekoMaster> before 00:37:20 <Eddi|zuHause2> wine has become really good the last couple of years 00:37:25 <NekoMaster> LoMo wouldn't work in Wine 00:37:33 <NekoMaster> in a virtual machine 00:37:52 <NekoMaster> it did back then, but recenlty not anymore 00:37:57 <NekoMaster> *recently 00:38:51 <NekoMaster> Anyways 00:38:58 <NekoMaster> #locomotion 00:39:48 <PeterT> ...is empty 00:40:17 *** NekoMaster [~chatzilla@bas4-oshawa95-1177900202.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.7/20100106054534]] 00:40:37 *** NekoMaster [~chatzilla@bas4-oshawa95-1177900202.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #openttd 00:40:40 <NekoMaster> Back 00:41:06 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B49.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:41:23 <PeterT> I missed you so much 00:41:32 <NekoMaster> so what now? 00:42:56 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:43:57 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 00:46:38 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.98] has joined #openttd 00:48:58 *** roboboy [6e14282b@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 00:49:07 *** KenjiE20|LT [~KenjiE20@host86-166-26-81.range86-166.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 00:49:11 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.21.63.208] has quit [Quit: ãããã¿] 00:49:12 *** roboboy [6e14282b@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 00:49:46 *** Choco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DA81A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:49:46 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DA81A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:49:49 *** Choco-Banana-Man is now known as Coco-Banana-Man 00:51:38 *** roboboy [6e14282b@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [] 00:51:50 *** roboboy [6e14282b@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 00:52:08 <NekoMaster> hmm 00:52:09 <Diablo-D3> okay so 00:52:17 <Diablo-D3> I take pikka's basic industries 00:52:37 <Diablo-D3> bigger depots, av8, metro track, egrvts, and industrial stations renewal 00:52:45 <NekoMaster> What? 00:52:57 <Diablo-D3> and I think I should have an openttd thats fun to play 00:53:07 <NekoMaster> What are you talking about? 00:53:11 <KenjiE20|LT> metro and no 2cc? 00:53:18 <Diablo-D3> KenjiE20|LT: should I throw 2cc in? 00:53:26 <Diablo-D3> Im trying to get the most out of ottd without adding shit 00:53:31 <KenjiE20|LT> well metro is mildly pointless without 00:53:35 <NekoMaster> yeah 00:53:36 <NekoMaster> true 00:53:54 <NekoMaster> since 2cc set replaces the Monorails with Metro COmmuters 00:54:05 <NekoMaster> Subway\El Trains 00:54:34 <Diablo-D3> so what else should I add? 00:54:50 <KenjiE20|LT> I'm not you 00:55:12 <Diablo-D3> we need some sort of standardized awesome super-grf. 00:55:17 <NekoMaster> : \ 00:55:34 <KenjiE20|LT> see my previous statement as to why that's a bad idea 00:55:38 <roboboy> bye 00:55:43 <NekoMaster> bye 00:56:48 <PeterT> bye 00:57:55 <Diablo-D3> I'm mildly interested in heqs 00:58:01 <NekoMaster> why? 00:58:08 <NekoMaster> HEQs has REAL dump trucks 00:58:11 <Diablo-D3> seems to make road vehicles interesting for once 00:58:32 <NekoMaster> not a Pick up truck or a Euro Style Truck with a hopper trailer 00:58:35 *** roboboy [6e14282b@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 00:58:36 <NekoMaster> theres also logging trucks 00:58:49 <Diablo-D3> WOAH WTF 00:58:51 <Diablo-D3> NekoMaster: dude 00:58:54 <NekoMaster> what? 00:58:57 <Diablo-D3> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=852579#p852579 00:59:03 <Diablo-D3> I was reading that post when you said that 00:59:07 <NekoMaster> lol 00:59:30 <__ln__> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Shinkansen_E954%28fastech360S%29_arrow-line.jpg 00:59:37 <NekoMaster> I can't wail for BANDIT to get to the release stage 00:59:41 <NekoMaster> or, at least nightlies 00:59:48 <Diablo-D3> __ln__: at least it doesnt have neko ears 01:00:07 <NekoMaster> Hmm? 01:00:27 <NekoMaster> whats wrong with cat ears? 01:00:50 <Diablo-D3> nothing, its kind of cute 01:00:51 <SpComb> hmm... I need to publish a git repo 01:00:59 <NekoMaster> Sure... 01:01:00 <Diablo-D3> it'd be nifty if ottd could do the sprite animations 01:01:05 <NekoMaster> it does 01:01:11 <NekoMaster> Steam 01:01:23 <NekoMaster> Smoke from Power Plant 01:01:33 <NekoMaster> NARS has animated steam locos 01:01:34 <Diablo-D3> yeah, but could it make the cat ears pop out? 01:01:39 <NekoMaster> lol 01:01:43 <NekoMaster> maybe, with proper code 01:02:01 <Diablo-D3> http://search.japantimes.co.jp/member/member.html?nn20050625a1.htm 01:02:03 <Diablo-D3> zooooomj 01:02:16 <Diablo-D3> btw, you know whats wrong with the way some of these grfs work? 01:02:23 <NekoMaster> what? 01:02:24 <Diablo-D3> 2cc replaces monorail instead of adding another type 01:03:12 <NekoMaster> Yeah 01:03:19 <NekoMaster> so 01:03:38 <NekoMaster> It'd be weird to have Metros and Monos 01:03:48 <Diablo-D3> well, mono and maglev should be combined 01:04:05 <NekoMaster> still weird 01:07:46 <Diablo-D3> actually 01:07:56 <Diablo-D3> it could be done how rails become electric 01:07:58 <Diablo-D3> just upgrade 01:08:38 <Diablo-D3> although it'd be interesting in hell to have "useless" eyecandy 01:08:46 <Eddi|zuHause> <Diablo-D3> 2cc replaces monorail instead of adding another type <-- that feature is currently in development 01:08:47 <Diablo-D3> s/in/as/ 01:08:52 <Diablo-D3> Eddi|zuHause: ahh nice 01:09:24 <Diablo-D3> okay so, pikkindw, metro, isr, av8, bigger depots, egrvts, and 2cc 01:09:28 <Diablo-D3> anything else I should add? 01:09:46 <Eddi|zuHause> something about ships 01:09:54 <Eddi|zuHause> and newstations 01:10:10 <NekoMaster> FISH 01:10:11 <Diablo-D3> isr == industrial stations renewal 01:10:27 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, isr for industries, newstats for passengers 01:10:32 <Diablo-D3> ahh 01:10:32 <NekoMaster> Canadian Stations since they look like passenger stations 01:10:39 <NekoMaster> and work in all climates 01:11:11 <Eddi|zuHause> and if you play temperate, you can add the brick chain next to PBI 01:11:17 <NekoMaster> yeah 01:12:24 <Diablo-D3> blargh, bananas doesnt know enough 01:12:41 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, newstats is not on bananas 01:12:54 <Eddi|zuHause> like all other MB grfs 01:12:54 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@c-24-12-4-37.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 01:12:54 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest393 01:12:55 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 01:12:57 <Diablo-D3> neither is pikkindw 01:13:03 <NekoMaster> FIRS is 01:13:05 <NekoMaster> and ECS 01:13:15 <Eddi|zuHause> generally, older grfs tend to be missing 01:13:30 <Diablo-D3> well, whats the recommended industry upgrade? 01:13:51 <Eddi|zuHause> i prefer PBI over ECS 01:14:09 <NekoMaster> I would like pbi more if there wasn't a strict limit 01:14:13 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@c-98-223-99-152.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 01:14:13 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest394 01:14:13 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 01:14:14 <Eddi|zuHause> Diablo-D3: grfs missing from bananas are usually found via grfcrawler 01:14:19 <NekoMaster> I like ECS stock limits 01:14:26 <Eddi|zuHause> Diablo-D3: or the coop grf pack 01:14:47 <NekoMaster> the more a factory gets served the more it can handle 01:17:24 <SmatZ> until you hit the limit 01:17:45 <PeterT> SmatZ: Can I get a copy of your magic_bulldozer rcon patch please? 01:17:47 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc8-newt30-2-0-cust508.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:18:04 <SmatZ> PeterT: here it is http://devs.openttd.org/~smatz/private/mypatches/ 01:18:20 <PeterT> thanks SmatZ 01:18:43 <SmatZ> "force" changes singleplayer-only settings 01:18:52 <SmatZ> the saves & reloads the game, so it won't desync 01:18:56 <NekoMaster> whats the magic bulldozer patch for? 01:19:18 <SmatZ> *magic* 01:19:41 <NekoMaster> well, cant you jsut turn the cheat on if you want to use the magic bulldozer? 01:19:53 *** Guest393 [~Dale@c-98-223-105-217.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:19:58 <SmatZ> I guess, you can 01:20:01 <PeterT> not during the game, not during the game, you can't 01:20:27 <SmatZ> with that patch, server can enable/disable the cheat 01:20:31 *** NekoMaster [~chatzilla@bas4-oshawa95-1177900202.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:20:35 <PeterT> fail 01:20:48 <SmatZ> NekoMaster is full of fail 01:20:50 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.98] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 01:20:56 <PeterT> really? you just met him 01:21:03 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.98] has joined #openttd 01:21:24 *** Guest394 [~Dale@c-24-12-4-37.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:22:02 <SmatZ> I know I have him in my "foes" list at tt-forums 01:22:10 <Eddi|zuHause> "just"? 01:22:19 <Eddi|zuHause> he has been around for at least a year 01:23:18 <Eddi|zuHause> mister "i overclocked my pc and now it crashes when playing youtube videos" 01:23:19 <PeterT> SmatZ: I see no point in a foes list, I'm going to read his posts anyway 01:23:28 <PeterT> I'm not goign to stop reading posts just because someone is a noob 01:24:06 <PeterT> SmatZ: What is this diff? http://devs.openttd.org/~smatz/no_airport.diff 01:24:21 <SmatZ> PeterT: forbids building of airports 01:24:28 <SmatZ> server-side 01:24:35 <PeterT> ok 01:24:48 <PeterT> is there a patch that only allows a configurable number of airports? 01:25:49 <SmatZ> with "town noise limits", different formula is used for limiting number of airports per town 01:26:37 <PeterT> no, I need a specific setting 01:26:41 <Diablo-D3> hmmm 01:26:44 <PeterT> I'll try to see if I can update the goulp patch 01:26:48 <Diablo-D3> okay so 01:26:59 <PeterT> yes 01:27:00 *** Tennel [~Tennel@88.150.10.254] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 01:27:07 <Diablo-D3> new stations, av8, bigger depots, egrvts, isr, metro track sets, 2cc aaaand 01:27:59 <PeterT> yes 01:28:03 <PeterT> WAS 01:28:13 <Diablo-D3> and fish 01:28:22 <PeterT> FISH yes 01:28:34 <Eddi|zuHause> why WAS if you have av8? 01:28:44 <PeterT> WAS has liveries? 01:29:51 <Diablo-D3> so now I think I have super-ottd 01:30:12 <Eddi|zuHause> Diablo-D3: you miss the most important one 01:30:14 <PeterT> get CD + IS 01:30:16 <Eddi|zuHause> stolentrees 01:30:36 <PeterT> but they are stolen! 01:30:41 <Diablo-D3> Eddi|zuHause: actually if Im going to do that, I might as well do 32bit 01:30:55 <Eddi|zuHause> and i usually use dutch catenary 01:31:09 *** roboboy [7248d4fb@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 01:31:12 <Diablo-D3> Im not looking to replace everything in the game 01:31:22 <Diablo-D3> I just want to usefully increase the features 01:32:51 <Diablo-D3> ecs looks too complex, btw 01:33:19 <Diablo-D3> PeterT: what is cd and is? 01:33:31 <PeterT> CargoDist and Infrastructure Sharing 01:33:41 <PeterT> I guess you can't really use Infra Sharing 01:33:44 <PeterT> unless you play multiplayer 01:34:02 <Diablo-D3> what is cargodist? 01:34:42 <Eddi|zuHause> my current grf list goes like this: Alpine Climate [mod], DBSet, DBSet_ECS [mod for PBI], NewStations, ISR, generic buffer stops, GermanRV, NewShips, NH Depot, av8, PBI, Brick Chain, Total Bridge Renewal, Light-rail/Tramtracks, HEQS, German Town Names, Temperate Foundations 01:35:04 <Eddi|zuHause> Diablo-D3: they're patches, not grfs 01:35:12 <Diablo-D3> ahh. 01:35:17 * Diablo-D3 isnt adding patches. 01:35:37 <Eddi|zuHause> to that list go the catenary and the trees as static grfs 01:35:55 <Eddi|zuHause> Diablo-D3: TBRS you should check out 01:36:09 <Eddi|zuHause> Diablo-D3: and possibly Swedish Houses 01:36:27 <Diablo-D3> is there an alternative to new stations? 01:36:31 <SmatZ> DBSet_ECS [mod for PBI] <== :-) 01:36:56 *** JVassie [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:37:03 <Eddi|zuHause> SmatZ: it's basically a changed bit so you can transport clay 01:37:23 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2002:4e33:503e:1:87f:67d6:c21d:868b] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 01:37:36 <Diablo-D3> I'd like to grab things that are still being developed 01:37:40 <Eddi|zuHause> and Alpine is modded to skip the industry part, and allow houses to accept food 01:40:50 <Diablo-D3> so wait, is dbset_ecs related to ecs? 01:43:20 <Eddi|zuHause> Diablo-D3: it's a small hack, to make DBSet vehicles able to carry the ECS cargos 01:43:39 <Diablo-D3> ahh. 01:43:47 <Diablo-D3> dbset looks kind of redundant though 01:43:53 <Diablo-D3> if I already have all this other stuff 01:43:56 <SmatZ> DBSet_ECS [PBI mod] is hacked hack :-) 01:44:08 <Eddi|zuHause> alas, clay is in the brick chain but not an ECS cargo 01:44:55 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, you shouldn't mix 2cc and dbset 01:45:14 <Diablo-D3> so should I add the pbi brick chain? 01:45:45 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@c-24-12-229-175.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 01:45:46 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest398 01:45:46 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 01:46:06 <Eddi|zuHause> it doesn't really matter... adds a few more cargos 01:46:42 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe you want to try "simple" PBI first, if you get along with the stockpiles and limited ressources 01:47:10 <Diablo-D3> I think Ill leave new stations out 01:47:23 <Diablo-D3> btw, why is ISR so screwy 01:47:34 <Diablo-D3> I cant easily delete new stations without nuking the whole station complex 01:47:47 <Eddi|zuHause> try the "r" key ;) 01:48:17 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest400 01:48:17 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@c-24-12-4-37.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 01:48:17 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 01:49:22 *** Hackykid [~quassel@86.85.232.104] has joined #openttd 01:49:34 <Eddi|zuHause> but newstats and isr really complement each other 01:49:59 <Diablo-D3> yeah, but do I have any other choices? 01:50:11 <Eddi|zuHause> there are plenty of station grfs 01:50:33 <Eddi|zuHause> but imho those are the most useful/nice 01:50:39 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.159] has joined #openttd 01:50:57 <Eddi|zuHause> you can add as many station grfs as you like 01:50:59 <Diablo-D3> someone needs to add these new ones to banannas 01:51:26 *** Guest398 [~Dale@c-98-223-99-152.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:51:35 <Eddi|zuHause> there's a canadian station set, czech station set, japanese station set 01:51:40 <Eddi|zuHause> some generic station sets 01:54:01 <Eddi|zuHause> station sets are the least dangerous to experiment with 01:54:44 <Eddi|zuHause> adding sets is allowed, removing might be dangerous 01:55:59 *** Guest400 [~Dale@c-24-12-229-175.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:59:57 <Diablo-D3> hrm something conflicts with egrvts I think 02:01:00 *** roboboy [7248d4fb@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 02:01:25 <Eddi|zuHause> to use egrvts and heqs you have to use the "allow multiple vehicle sets" switch 02:02:22 <Eddi|zuHause> not sure if that is enabled by default 02:02:44 <Diablo-D3> where is that exactly? 02:03:19 <Eddi|zuHause> somewhere in advanced settings 02:03:27 <Eddi|zuHause> probably under vehicles 02:04:40 <Diablo-D3> .... 02:05:01 <Diablo-D3> Eddi|zuHause: it has enable multiple newgrf engine sets 02:05:33 <Eddi|zuHause> good, then heqs and egrvts should not conflict 02:05:54 <Diablo-D3> aargh now I know why its not working 02:05:59 <Diablo-D3> I dont have heqs enabled 02:15:09 <Diablo-D3> okay so 02:15:36 <PeterT> have you started your godly game yet, Diablo-D3 02:15:41 <PeterT> ? 02:15:42 * Diablo-D3 tries something simple by building a train line between forest and and mill 02:16:14 <PeterT> start with pax 02:16:16 <PeterT> they never fail 02:16:25 <PeterT> plus, you can build nice station art with pax stations 02:16:27 <PeterT> dutch stations is great 02:16:32 <Diablo-D3> pax? 02:16:40 <PeterT> passengers/mail 02:16:44 <Diablo-D3> ahh 02:16:48 <Diablo-D3> I sometimes too 02:16:48 <PeterT> ;-) 02:16:51 <Diablo-D3> depends how much I hate myself 02:17:11 <PeterT> Lol 02:17:41 <Diablo-D3> hrm, theres lots of tiles in this isr pack 02:17:57 <Diablo-D3> why isnt this more easily automated 02:18:00 *** KenjiE20|LT [~KenjiE20@host86-166-26-81.range86-166.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:23:15 <Diablo-D3> hmm 02:23:16 <Diablo-D3> crap! 02:23:35 <PeterT> what? 02:24:11 <Diablo-D3> what ISR station do I want to offload trees? 02:27:04 <Diablo-D3> wood loading station doesnt look like the right one 02:28:31 <Eddi|zuHause> i usually use empty stations and add a few piles for raw materials 02:29:23 *** sparr [~kvirc@c-24-98-228-62.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 02:30:20 *** roboboy [7248e2be@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 02:34:39 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B52.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:35:00 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B52.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:37:52 <Diablo-D3> urgh 02:38:00 <Diablo-D3> I cant remember how to efficiently do station entrances 02:38:19 <PeterT> with efificiency 02:39:18 <Diablo-D3> no, I mean which lights do I want 02:39:47 <Diablo-D3> white at entrance, yellow at exit, sideways yellow at entrance to station lines? 02:40:45 <PeterT> you want PBS 02:40:53 <Diablo-D3> pbs? 02:40:54 <PeterT> http://wiki.openttd.org/PBS 02:41:00 <PeterT> @diable-d3 02:41:13 <Diablo-D3> argh not more patches 02:41:29 <PeterT> it's part of OpenTTD, Diablo-D3 02:41:34 <Diablo-D3> ahh 02:43:48 <Diablo-D3> PeterT: so it just uses the tiles it needs instead of the whole junction block? 02:44:14 <PeterT> I don't really know what you mean 02:44:16 <PeterT> no 02:44:23 <PeterT> but multiple trains can enter the block 02:45:00 <Diablo-D3> the pathfinder marks tiles it needs to traverse ahead of time to prevent train crashes 02:45:56 *** roboboy [7248e2be@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 02:46:35 <Diablo-D3> yeah it seems to do that 02:46:37 <Diablo-D3> nifty 02:47:38 <PeterT> yeah it's a cool feature 02:48:21 <Diablo-D3> so I only need these at the start of junctions? 02:49:24 <PeterT> depends on the junction 02:51:01 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 02:51:01 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:51:04 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 02:51:27 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 02:52:28 *** Markk [~markk@91.90.24.184] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:56:02 *** Markk [~markk@91.90.24.184] has joined #openttd 02:59:02 *** Choco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DBB2E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 03:01:49 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c3f9.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:01:49 *** Markk [~markk@91.90.24.184] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:03:32 *** zodttd [~me@user-0c90n1c.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #openttd 03:04:44 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.159] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 03:05:53 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DA81A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:05:53 *** Choco-Banana-Man is now known as Coco-Banana-Man 03:09:57 *** Hackykid [~quassel@86.85.232.104] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:13:05 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-210-100.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Goodbye] 03:13:14 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:44:49 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:50:11 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: a1270] 04:10:04 *** NekoMaster [~chatzilla@bas4-oshawa95-1177900202.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #openttd 04:10:22 <NekoMaster> hey guys 04:18:59 <DaleStan> planetmaker: I added Action0RailTypes to the wiki structure. Are there other pages I need to add? 04:26:02 <NekoMaster> om nom nom nom 04:26:05 <NekoMaster> beer 04:26:40 <DaleStan> peter1138: Can we get TextIDs in action 0 instead of strings, please? 04:29:17 <NekoMaster> beer 04:29:19 <NekoMaster> i dirnk it 04:29:23 <NekoMaster> So 04:29:29 <NekoMaster> i hear you can have new rail types 04:29:33 <NekoMaster> is that true 04:44:50 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 04:46:52 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:a9bc:eab0:eb5f:b549] has quit [Quit: bye] 04:54:03 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 04:54:03 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:54:06 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 05:07:35 *** NekoMaster [~chatzilla@bas4-oshawa95-1177900202.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.7/20100106054534]] 05:32:27 *** xi23 [~xi@78.110.223.65] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:06:25 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.159] has joined #openttd 06:21:25 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.159] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:37:16 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@174.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 06:37:27 <Terkhen> good morning 06:50:26 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-24-12-4-37.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:55:52 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 06:55:52 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:55:55 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 06:56:18 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-72-99.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 07:02:32 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:15:53 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:35:07 *** andythenorth [~andytheno@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 07:59:04 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 07:59:43 *** Eoin [~eoin@cpc1-dund8-0-0-cust3.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:09:43 <planetmaker> DaleStan, thanks. For now there's not directly an additional page which is needed afaik. Though at least OpenTTD's source code suggests that there are already reserved features 0D and 0E. Not sure whether it might make sense to add dummy pages for them already. Maybe airports as it's being worked upon actively 08:10:25 <planetmaker> and good morning #openttd :-) 08:11:38 <planetmaker> peter1138, I guess DaleStan is right about the texts strings for rail types: StringIDs are translatable via action 04, strings in action0 are not. 08:11:53 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Administr@89.246.203.220] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:14:23 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Administr@89.246.203.220] has joined #openttd 08:15:31 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Administr@89.246.203.220] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:17:45 *** Maarten- [~dutchusa@cpe-67-49-76-8.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 08:17:56 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Administr@89.246.203.220] has joined #openttd 08:19:16 *** Choco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DBB2E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:19:51 *** andythen- [~andytheno@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 08:20:00 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.159] has joined #openttd 08:20:31 *** ctibor|spi [~quassel@77.48.228.43] has joined #openttd 08:22:11 *** Jupix2 [~jupix@dsl-lprbrasgw1-fee4df00-82.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 08:22:20 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DBB2E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:22:20 *** ctibor [~quassel@77.48.228.43] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:22:20 *** snorre [~snorre@c832BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:22:20 *** Choco-Banana-Man is now known as Coco-Banana-Man 08:22:28 *** snorre [~snorre@c832BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 08:22:33 *** ccfreak2k [~ccfreak2k@4chan.fm] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:22:37 *** ccfreak2k [~ccfreak2k@4chan.fm] has joined #openttd 08:22:42 *** Jupix [~jupix@dsl-lprbrasgw1-fee4df00-82.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:23:07 *** Netsplit joule.oftc.net <-> kilo.oftc.net quits: Maarten, +michi_cc, erani, andythenorth, woldemar, welshdragon 08:23:07 *** andythen- is now known as andythenorth 08:23:20 *** Netsplit over, joins: welshdragon, woldemar, Maarten, +michi_cc, erani 08:24:47 *** Maarten [~dutchusa@cpe-67-49-76-8.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:30:12 <peter1138> planetmaker, you guess? what? 08:30:57 <peter1138> 04:26 < DaleStan> peter1138: Can we get TextIDs in action 0 instead of strings, please? 08:31:00 <peter1138> ? 08:31:03 <planetmaker> replacing propertiess 09, 0000AAA, 0B, 0CCC with W aas stringID 08:31:19 <peter1138> oh 08:31:40 <planetmaker> sorry keyboard failure here. 08:32:40 <peter1138> but they are W 08:32:51 <peter1138> not my fault you wrote the spec wrong 08:32:51 <planetmaker> oh. Then I got it wrong ;-) 08:32:59 <planetmaker> tralalala. Sorry 08:33:30 <planetmaker> DaleStan, don't worry, they ARE stringIDs. I just cannot read source code properlyyyy 08:33:34 <planetmaker> :S 08:33:48 <planetmaker> wth is happening with my keyboard? :-( 08:34:03 <peter1138> you have a realtime app misbehaving? 08:34:10 <peter1138> (pulseaudio?) 08:34:32 <planetmaker> I should not... but... 08:34:55 <peter1138> i had that with lmms' "jack fixes" 08:35:07 <peter1138> totally broken code ran a spinlock in RT code... 08:36:15 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B52.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:36:31 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B52.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:39:16 <planetmaker> peter1138, would you actually rather write "rail type" or "railtype"? 08:39:37 <peter1138> *shrug* 08:41:22 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-251-226.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 08:44:50 <Diablo-D3> peter1138: people simply shouldnt be allowed to write RT code 08:45:15 <peter1138> not bad RT code, anyway 08:45:32 <Diablo-D3> theres nothing like lint for RT code 08:45:47 <Diablo-D3> actually, maybe RTgrind would be a better idea 08:45:48 <peter1138> there are some tools that check for common problems at runtime 08:45:49 <peter1138> but... 08:46:00 <peter1138> a spinlock in RT? bwahaha 08:46:16 <Diablo-D3> well, RT in general is a bad idea 08:46:39 <planetmaker> Diablo-D3, I know quite a few occasions where RT code is quite needed. 08:46:40 <peter1138> it's audio code, you need RT or high latency 08:46:48 <planetmaker> But not on a desktop PC 08:46:49 <Diablo-D3> sanely written scheds combined with priority boosting fix this 08:46:51 <planetmaker> in an office 08:47:08 <Diablo-D3> peter1138: thats not true 08:47:09 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B52.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:47:29 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B52.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:47:30 <peter1138> sure, you're the expert on everything, i know. 08:47:40 <Diablo-D3> using audio hardware that isnt absolute shit has a much larger impact on audio problems 08:47:54 <peter1138> no, that's a driver issue 08:48:04 <Diablo-D3> no, most hardware cant use more than 2 periods. 08:48:45 <peter1138> ah, so your vote is for higher latency 08:49:01 <Diablo-D3> no, shorter periods with more periods. 08:49:17 <peter1138> my crappy intel hdas can cope 08:49:50 <Diablo-D3> half the period length but double periods amazingly fixes a lot of underun problems 08:50:09 <Diablo-D3> peter1138: btw 08:50:15 <Diablo-D3> try the -rt2 patches for the kernel 08:50:30 <Diablo-D3> they largely unfucked the most retarded shit in the kernel 08:51:00 <planetmaker> sure, I go and mess with the kernel in production systems... 08:51:19 <Diablo-D3> planetmaker: -rt2 is going to be moved into mainline at some point 08:51:25 <Noldo> planetmaker: in production systems you just cope with it :) 08:51:26 <Diablo-D3> probably .35 or .36 08:51:26 <planetmaker> so? 08:51:43 <Diablo-D3> so if you're not upgrading software to fix bugs, thats your own problem ;) 08:52:25 <peter1138> you still need RT, and therefore RT-safe code 08:52:27 <planetmaker> ah, sure. But you obviously don't know the difference between a test system and a production system 08:52:38 <peter1138> planetmaker, sure he does, Diablo-D3 knows everything 08:52:40 <Diablo-D3> production != never ever changes 08:53:05 <Diablo-D3> peter1138: -rt2 got rid of the big lock, and interrupts dont murder performance anymore 08:54:05 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B52.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:54:11 <Diablo-D3> for example, on envy24 soundcards, use the shortest period length with a lot of periods 08:54:20 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B52.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:54:56 <Diablo-D3> your sound wont skip (for non-complex values of sound), your sound app will use 100% of the cpu time (where it may have used less than 1% before), and your entire system will slow to a crawl 08:55:04 <Diablo-D3> but your sound wont skip no matter how hard you try. 08:55:15 <Diablo-D3> this is due to an unfortunate kernel issue. 08:56:26 <Diablo-D3> -rt2 it will still consume a large amount of cpu time, but the rest of your system continues to function fine 08:56:55 <peter1138> right, the reason not to use tiny periods is the system chokes on the interrupts 08:57:04 <peter1138> so you can get less done 08:57:13 <peter1138> compromises, heh 09:00:14 <Diablo-D3> peter1138: yes, but that was at 128 periods and less than 1ms period length 09:00:42 <Diablo-D3> Im not actually saying go do that 09:00:48 <peter1138> no, that's pretty useless 09:01:06 <Diablo-D3> Im just saying the linux kernel sucks and trying to slap RT onto a bad sched design will make it worse 09:01:08 <peter1138> and still high latency 09:01:17 <Diablo-D3> -rt2 has removed most of the reason to use RT 09:01:26 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@181.108.203.213.9lyon1-0-ro-bas-1.9tel.net] has joined #openttd 09:01:27 <Diablo-D3> and it does provide an actual working RT prio. 09:02:10 *** xi23 [~xi@78.110.223.65] has joined #openttd 09:02:12 <planetmaker> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=47032 <-- I guess Pikkas question would be nice, if they were answered in the newgrf wiki straight away :-) 09:03:00 <planetmaker> I especially wondered also about the meaning of property 0D 09:03:53 <peter1138> planetmaker, http://wiki.openttd.org/Peter1138/Railtypes 09:04:30 <Diablo-D3> btw, there is still a slightly annoying problem in openttd 09:04:47 <Diablo-D3> tracks at an angle cant go up/down hillsides at an angle 09:05:29 <planetmaker> peter1138, so I can assume that that wiki page is correct? 09:06:44 <peter1138> yes, although the action 3/2/1 stuff isn't in yes, and the action 3 layout documentation is not complete 09:06:54 <peter1138> oh 09:06:57 <peter1138> except property 51 09:06:58 <peter1138> er, 15 09:06:59 <peter1138> Hmm 09:08:02 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B52.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:08:03 <planetmaker> ok, then I might adopt the newgrf wiki later today. 09:08:18 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B52.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:12:03 *** luckz [~lkz@luckz.de] has quit [Server closed connection] 09:14:28 <peter1138> s/yes,/yet,/ 09:15:59 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B52.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:16:20 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B52.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:20:56 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B52.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:21:11 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B52.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:21:38 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: make up your mind .. in or out :p 09:25:24 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d198-53-213-246.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Rhamphoryncus] 09:44:08 *** thingwath [~thingwath@88.83.164.57] has joined #openttd 09:49:04 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... 09:49:09 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't understand it 09:58:03 *** luckz [~lkz@luckz.de] has joined #openttd 10:07:13 *** [Jako] [~lahti7@fd86.netikka.fi] has quit [Server closed connection] 10:07:14 *** [Jako] [~lahti7@fd86.netikka.fi] has joined #openttd 10:15:00 <planetmaker> ah, mb acid as usual. Criticism without being constructive. 10:15:15 <Noldo> where? 10:15:27 <planetmaker> forums 10:15:52 *** roboboy [7248c1d9@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 10:17:53 <planetmaker> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=47032 10:19:27 <TrueBrain> OWH NO! You didn't follow the rules! NOW YOU AHVE TO PAY! MWHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA 10:19:32 * TrueBrain hugs planetmaker 10:19:34 <Noldo> thanks 10:19:39 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:19:42 <planetmaker> :-) 10:19:46 <peter1138> most of the missing information has been on the ottd wiki page for ages, mind you ;p 10:19:54 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 10:20:41 <planetmaker> yes. I know (now). Despite it's IMO quite obvious that that wiki page is kinda WIP... 10:25:36 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-2-21-113.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 10:27:46 <peter1138> gah, ttdpatch's wiki software is crap 10:35:03 *** Hackykid [~quassel@86.85.232.104] has joined #openttd 10:35:06 *** roboboy [7248c1d9@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 10:35:39 *** Hackykid [~quassel@86.85.232.104] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:47:35 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 10:51:29 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:56:54 *** Ichiro [~chatzilla@brndmb0245w-ad03-249-140.dynamic.mts.net] has joined #openttd 10:59:04 *** Sacro [~ben@83.100.249.116] has joined #openttd 10:59:09 *** Sacro [~ben@83.100.249.116] has quit [] 11:01:56 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@pool-71-98-72-99.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 11:01:56 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest462 11:01:56 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 11:02:35 *** markk [~markk@91.90.24.184] has joined #openttd 11:04:31 *** markk is now known as Markk 11:08:58 *** Guest462 [~Dale@pool-71-98-72-99.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:09:12 *** Ichiro [~chatzilla@brndmb0245w-ad03-249-140.dynamic.mts.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.7/20091221164558]] 11:21:12 <peter1138> hm 11:23:13 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has joined #openttd 11:28:03 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.9.54.134] has joined #openttd 11:34:17 <Diablo-D3> OKAY 11:34:20 <Diablo-D3> NO MORE GODDAMNED OPENTTD 11:34:40 <Diablo-D3> and now Im going to bed 11:35:20 <Eddi|zuHause> good midday ;) 11:37:02 <peter1138> hah 11:37:08 *** Tennel [~Tennel@88.150.10.254] has joined #openttd 11:37:40 *** Diablo-D3 [~diablo@pool-64-222-232-11.port.east.myfairpoint.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:41:33 *** mib_mjcafp [5893434a@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 11:43:59 *** PeterT [4c13d264@widget.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 11:45:56 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:48:49 <Eddi|zuHause> random idea: the steepness of slopes should be dependent on the height... 11:49:13 <Eddi|zuHause> e.g. from level 1 to level 2, it should be 3%, but from level 10 to level 11 it should be 8% 11:49:37 *** PeterT [4c13d264@widget.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 11:49:37 <planetmaker> why would you want that? 11:50:09 <planetmaker> That's anything but intuitive - nor does it add to the game. Or can you clearify the reasons why it seems to you a good idea? 11:50:38 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: slopes in flat land are often part of junctions, etc. but slopes in the hills are to simulate hilly landscape 11:51:23 <Ammler> you could "simulate" that by using 2 slopes in a row 11:51:25 <Eddi|zuHause> so to climb a bridge ramp in a station is often less problematic than climbing an uphill slope 11:51:44 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: yes, but you quickly run out of slopes that way 11:51:58 <peter1138> win 22 11:53:34 <Eddi|zuHause> and i'm not confident that the "more height levels" patch gets anywhere near trunk... 11:53:37 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, ok, but then a junction in the highlands would have different slopes from one near the coast 11:53:42 <planetmaker> Doesn't sound intuitive 11:54:00 <planetmaker> Then rather a two slopes in a row are considered steeper. 11:54:14 <devilsadvocate> what does it mean when it says 'autorenew failed : fixed consist" ? 11:54:16 <planetmaker> But... I wouldn't like it either. It's a hidden feature. 11:54:45 <Eddi|zuHause> devilsadvocate: means that the newgrf is too complicated for autoreplace to figure out 11:55:20 <devilsadvocate> Eddi|zuHause, but i havent set a auto replace on this :\ 11:55:28 * devilsadvocate checks if he did it my accident 11:55:35 <Rubidium> then maybe it's autorenew 11:55:54 <Eddi|zuHause> same difference ;) 11:56:07 <devilsadvocate> oops. my bad 11:56:25 <devilsadvocate> but autorenew shouldnt have the problem, right? its just making a copy 11:56:44 <devilsadvocate> as long as the stuff is still available, of course 11:57:05 <Rubidium> devilsadvocate: then you haven't seen the world of subcargoes yet 11:57:26 <devilsadvocate> anyway, now that my maglevs will stop blocking every track they can find trying to get to a cargo... 11:57:31 <Rubidium> and wagons of one subcargo type can attach to an engine and not another subcargo type 11:57:56 <devilsadvocate> Rubidium, but autorenew is just _copying_ what i already did 11:58:10 <devilsadvocate> which by definition should work 11:58:45 <devilsadvocate> i've been massaging autoreplace to work by grouping trains by cargo and issuing replace orders per group 11:59:12 <Rubidium> devilsadvocate: no, it's not copying 11:59:44 <Rubidium> as I said: subcargos are a bitch 11:59:55 <devilsadvocate> :( 11:59:57 <Rubidium> e.g. you can define a subcargo to be only valid from 1920-1940 12:00:03 <devilsadvocate> ah 12:00:16 <Rubidium> and define for an engine to only allow wagons with that subcargo 12:00:20 <devilsadvocate> i havent messed with temporal cargoes yet 12:00:47 <Rubidium> now on autorenew the wagons get renewed, but they get another subcargo type and as such can't be attached to the engine 12:01:27 <Rubidium> or vice versa where the engine's subcargo type isn't available anymore and another subcargo (usually the default) is taken and it can't attach the wagons anymore 12:02:05 <devilsadvocate> hm 12:02:26 <Rubidium> anyhow, if you don't use NewGRFs that mess with subcargos or deprecation of wagons it works as if the vehicle is copied, so that might give you the idea 12:03:21 *** TheMask96 [martijn@wrath.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:03:23 <devilsadvocate> yeah, i can see how that can mess with things... i assumed cargoes are invariant and wagons always accept the same set of cargoes 12:03:53 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 12:05:08 <Eddi|zuHause> boy are you naive and innocent :p 12:05:34 <Rubidium> it's all mb's fault :) 12:05:59 <Rubidium> or whoever thought it would be useful to deprecate subcargoes 12:06:16 <Rubidium> or make attachment of wagons depend on subcargoes 12:07:26 <Eddi|zuHause> the irony, he always complains that allowing multiple vehicle sets is a misfeature, but really the majority of misfeatures that are incompatible with this are his own creations ;) 12:07:59 <Rubidium> yeah, it's totally real to mix dbset vehicles with dutch trains 12:09:24 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@174.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:10:11 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@174.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 12:12:41 <planetmaker> well. The most annoying thing is not complaining, but the complete lack of what actually is being complained about in detail, but giving murky hints that somewhere somehow one somewhat burried pages one might find already a half-sentence what he thinks might be better 12:14:35 <Rubidium> e.g. the for the NS ICL and ICK wagons should work perfectly fine for the DB 12:14:41 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest471 12:14:42 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-98-223-99-209.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 12:15:09 <peter1138> planetmaker, i think he expects us to know what is wrong, because obviously he follows the spec and therefore it should be obvious 12:16:45 <Rubidium> especially the: "my vapourware NewGRF doesn't work" kind of reports are very useful 12:17:31 <planetmaker> the latter - as long as they're valid reports - are, well, interesting, but not the worst. But then, I don't have to deal with that ;-) 12:17:35 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2002:4e33:85ab:1:3df8:cc8:86fb:c0ae] has joined #openttd 12:17:39 <planetmaker> So I better don't judge ;-) 12:18:08 <Rubidium> just an example of the 'liveries' the ICL wagon run in the NL: http://www.arthurstreinenpagina.nl/Ander%20materieel/Rijtuigen/Intercity%20Lease/Intercity%20Lease/Intercity%20Lease,%20Wit%20met%20rood,%20blauw%20met%20wit%20en%20geel%20met%20blauw.html 12:19:58 <Eddi|zuHause> what's the second engine used for? 12:20:41 <Rubidium> I guess as cabs (they have to change direction quite often) 12:21:01 *** Guest471 [~Dale@pool-71-98-72-99.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:21:14 <Rubidium> and the NS has stopped shunting trains 'in-service' a few years ago 12:21:45 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8ca9b.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 12:22:02 *** bartaway is now known as bartavelle 12:22:12 <Eddi|zuHause> and i'd presume a german cab wouldn't be compatible with the dutch engine ;) 12:22:47 <Eddi|zuHause> i haven't seen a train without cab in a decade... 12:23:55 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:23:59 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 12:24:07 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: actually, the German IC Amsterdam - Berlin doesn't have an engine/cab at the end; you can watch through the window in the door at the passed tracks 12:24:29 <Rubidium> and in Bad Bentheim they only change the engine 12:24:29 <peter1138> i only ever see DMUs 12:24:57 <planetmaker> Do they really change the engine still? 12:25:02 <Rubidium> planetmaker: yes 12:25:12 <planetmaker> crazy 12:26:55 <Eddi|zuHause> i thought all new engines are dual-system by now 12:27:46 <Rubidium> but the engines (in the NL) aren't that new 12:28:01 <Rubidium> early 1980s 12:28:19 <Rubidium> and a slightly newer model from the early 1990s 12:28:32 <thingwath> Dual-system engine is not that new concept :) 12:29:32 <Eddi|zuHause> thingwath: not new, but expensive and rare... 12:30:16 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... something screwed up badly... 12:30:56 <Eddi|zuHause> i moved a directory from A to B, suddenly it reports errors about "cannot rename XYZ", and after i hit "skip", it just deleted the old files without creating the new ones... 12:35:45 *** JVassie [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:36:15 *** Faux_ [faux@compsoc.sunion.warwick.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 12:36:37 * peter1138 ponders documenting railtype act3/2/1 a bit more ;P 12:38:12 *** Faux [faux@compsoc.sunion.warwick.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:48:14 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc8-newt30-2-0-cust508.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 12:56:52 <devilsadvocate> they change the engines on all indian trains 13:01:36 <planetmaker> peter1138, good motion ;-) 13:01:40 <planetmaker> or notion? 13:01:42 <planetmaker> whatever. 13:04:11 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:c9c6:c59:3028:ec9c] has joined #openttd 13:04:15 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:17:27 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@pool-71-98-72-99.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 13:17:28 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest480 13:17:28 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 13:21:43 *** mib_mjcafp [5893434a@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 13:21:52 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.53] has quit [Server closed connection] 13:23:02 *** Guest480 [~Dale@c-98-223-99-209.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:24:23 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 13:28:31 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:34:59 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 13:35:37 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 13:37:59 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:45:50 <planetmaker> peter1138, re railtypes: where is rail toolbar used (there where the track icons are). But where is main menu then? (prop. 09 vs. 0A) 13:51:44 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B52.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:52:04 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B52.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:55:54 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 14:00:24 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:15:44 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 14:16:20 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 14:16:59 <Belugas> hello 14:18:35 <Ammler> bon jour 14:21:30 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:23:12 *** Faux_ is now known as Faux 14:23:38 <peter1138> planetmaker? 14:24:30 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:24:32 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B52.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:24:47 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B52.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:25:27 <Belugas> planet maker 14:25:45 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:26:07 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 14:26:53 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@2002:4e33:85ab:1:3df8:cc8:86fb:c0ae] has joined #openttd 14:26:53 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2002:4e33:85ab:1:3df8:cc8:86fb:c0ae] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:26:53 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 14:31:49 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest490 14:31:50 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-24-12-4-37.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 14:37:20 <planetmaker> peter1138, my question was basically where exactly the main menu string is used ingame 14:37:41 <glx> in dropdown ? 14:37:56 <planetmaker> or what the difference to the rail type name is :-) 14:38:57 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.98] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:39:13 *** Guest490 [~Dale@pool-71-98-72-99.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:39:20 <peter1138> i suggest a grep ;p 14:40:46 *** egladil [~egladil@s83-191-244-232.cust.tele2.se] has joined #openttd 14:44:07 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 14:44:13 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-2-21-113.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:45:04 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.98] has joined #openttd 14:46:12 <SpComb> is making .deb builds really worth it? 14:47:38 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E713.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:48:38 <blathijs> SpComb: In what context? 14:49:13 <SpComb> OpenTTD 14:49:31 <SpComb> do you have a do a million different .deb's on different debian/ubuntu versions for it to be worth the effort? 14:49:38 *** mib_xnvscg [5893434a@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 14:49:58 <SpComb> (that is, patched/custom versions of OpenTTD) 14:50:23 *** thingwath [~thingwath@88.83.164.57] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:52:15 <peter1138> heh, mb has a new definition of documented 14:52:46 <planetmaker> what way? or where? 14:52:55 <Rubidium> when he knows it (or thinks he knows it) it's documented? 14:53:04 <TrueBrain> Rubidium goes home with the price 14:53:08 <planetmaker> well. That's the old one :-P 14:53:29 <TrueBrain> when it is implemented in TTDp! :p 14:54:08 <Rubidium> when it's used in mb's vapourware 14:54:27 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 14:54:46 *** thingwath [~thingwath@88.83.164.57] has joined #openttd 14:56:24 <Rubidium> SpComb: if you want 'support' for Ubuntu non-LTS releases, then yes you need a lot 14:57:11 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:57:34 <peter1138> well, the interaction between train properties 05 and 19 wasn't mentioned at all. 14:59:53 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Administr@88.130.174.105] has joined #openttd 15:01:19 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... if i'm not sending back this computer soon, i'll be deaf... 15:03:23 <planetmaker> don't shout and cry that loud then, Eddi|zuHause ;-) 15:03:43 <Eddi|zuHause> you're not sitting next to this computer :p 15:03:58 <planetmaker> luckily, I guess. 15:04:09 <planetmaker> We once had in our office an SGI Onyx 15:04:18 <planetmaker> It's the same noise level as a vacuum cleaner 15:04:37 <Eddi|zuHause> but i just noticed that the DVD drive can read some DVDs that my old drive can't, so i started a rescue session... 15:05:21 <Eddi|zuHause> and now i'm shuffling around data from one external drive to another, to sort things properly 15:06:29 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Administr@89.246.203.220] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:08:27 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.98] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 15:14:52 *** mib_xnvscg [5893434a@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 15:21:13 *** Progman_ [~progman@p57A1E713.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:21:13 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E713.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:21:19 *** Progman_ is now known as Progman 15:22:12 <luckz> debian should just have a ttd-manager app (script) that grabs a random nightly build (or release one) and puts all the files in all the right places :R 15:23:18 <SpComb> unlikely to see that ever happen 15:23:30 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:23:33 <SpComb> keep in mind that it's debian that disabled the automatic updates in, say, firefox 15:24:15 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9CAE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:24:34 <Ammler> SpComb: quite resonable or will you like to run FF as root? 15:24:45 <SpComb> well, also for their stable release 15:24:49 <Ammler> I guess, every distro disabled that 15:32:11 <planetmaker> uhm... Ammler ? SuSE updates that also all automatically. But, of course, I have to confirm via root password 15:32:15 <planetmaker> so... that'd be fine 15:33:12 *** |Terkhen| [~Terkhen@114.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 15:33:17 <Ammler> ah, I thought, he means the automatic update of FF itself, which it does on Windows for example. 15:33:59 <SpComb> I do, but I'm only cursorily familiar 15:37:28 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:39:24 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@174.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:41:09 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 15:48:27 *** Bluelight [~Ivan@216.80-203-77.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 15:52:51 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.98] has joined #openttd 15:57:05 *** woldemar [~world@213.178.34.57] has quit [Quit: ã§ãã¯æ»çšœãããªãã§ãã ç§ã¯æ¬æ°ã§ãã] 16:01:36 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DBB2E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Regel Nr. 1: Jeder hört auf mein Kommando! - Regel Nr. 2: Jeder bleibt auf dem Weg! - Regel Nr. 3: ... ... Der, der blÀht, als hinterster geht!] 16:09:20 *** Phalax [~kvirc@84.19.128.89] has joined #openttd 16:10:05 *** woldemar [~world@213.178.34.57] has joined #openttd 16:21:47 *** |Terkhen| is now known as Terkhen 16:22:44 *** rait_ [~rait@82.131.124.74.cable.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 16:24:58 *** rait [~rait@82.131.24.59.cable.starman.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:34:19 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55928dd9.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 16:36:51 *** zodttd [~me@user-0c90n1c.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:45:51 <peter1138> hmm, no doubt they'll want me to remove root's account too :p 16:48:31 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B52.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:48:50 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B52.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:50:05 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 16:50:07 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:50:23 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 16:50:51 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f7a78.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:54:47 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:57:57 <SpComb> peter1138: what about the toor account? 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" is most likely the revision that has broken CluelessPlus. Now AIRoad.BuildRoad does not always fail when two tiles can not be connected. 19:31:36 <Zuu> That is the only reason I can find for the bug reports on CluelessPlus that I have been able to confirm on the later nightlies. 19:32:39 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:34:02 <Zuu> For cases when the end and start tile are adjacent this will be fairly easy to change in the AI, but for long distance building this could be more problematic as building from both ends could still fail if there is an obstacle in the middle. Meaning that you will have to loop over all road stretches that you have built and check that the road is connected. 19:34:24 <frosch123> i guess you do not mean the ai bug introduced by that revision which was fixed quite a long, but you expect the command to fail if not the whole road could be build, right? 19:35:02 <frosch123> oh, i guess it does not leave holes in the middle, but just stops 19:35:14 <Zuu> I expect that the command should still fail if the whole road could be built. 19:35:38 <Zuu> It just stops, but the work around to try from both ends that work on tiles next to each other will not work on longer distances as you could get a gap. 19:35:43 <frosch123> yeah, might be easier for ais 19:36:21 <frosch123> but then the same should apply to rails 19:36:28 <Terkhen> the change was building up to the first obstacle instead of not building at all 19:36:29 <Zuu> Perhaps in 0.7. edition of the API maintain backward compability and in newer you can introduce an enum. 19:37:28 <Zuu> Terkhen: Unless I've missed something the change was also that the construction succeds even if the whole stretch is not finished. 19:37:40 <Terkhen> exactly 19:37:54 <frosch123> hehe, yes, what is useful for humans is not necessarily useful for ais :) 19:37:55 <Zuu> Thats what breaking the backward compability for AIs. 19:37:58 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:38:24 <Terkhen> I'll check how this is done for rails 19:39:32 <Zuu> As long as you keep the backward compability in the 0.7 backward compability layer of the API. In the 1.0 edition you can change the behavior but then please document it as well. :-) 19:39:49 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-71-233-211-64.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:42:30 <Zuu> There is a backwards compability layer which I think is made in squirrel code that makes the trunk API behaviour as the 0.7 API. Also there is a document that is included in the Doxygen that documents the changes between the API versions. 19:42:55 <Zuu> In info.nut an AI specifies which version of the API it wants. 19:43:54 *** woldemar [~world@213.178.34.57] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:44:05 <PeterT> Hi All 19:44:19 *** woldemar [~world@213.178.34.57] has joined #openttd 19:45:05 <Zuu> Hi PeterT, time for coffee brake? ;-) 19:45:25 <PeterT> :-) 19:45:36 <Zuu> break* (i think) 19:45:39 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-71-233-211-64.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:45:48 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-71-233-211-64.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:46:20 *** mib_iclfdy [5893434a@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 19:46:35 <Zuu> Though coffee^-1 is maybe a brake :-p 19:46:43 <PeterT> lol 19:51:07 <Alberth> Zuu: yes, 'brake' is that thing in a car that makes it stop, 'break' is stop doing what you do, and relax for a while. 19:56:19 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-47-217.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:57:33 <Zuu> hmm the TC_<colour>s, are they the company colours? 19:57:57 <Zuu> Could be the reason why TC_BLUE is darker than TC_BLACK. :-) 19:58:37 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-22-21.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 19:58:40 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 20:00:00 <__ln__> http://www.prisonplanet.com/inverted-body-scanner-image-shows-naked-body-in-full-living-color.html 20:00:26 <Eddi|zuHause> "brake" is to make it stop, and "break" to make it broken ;) 20:00:53 <Alberth> so coffee break breaks the coffee? 20:03:04 <PeterT> Alberth: More like breaking the time of working to drink cofee 20:03:46 <Alberth> I usually discuss things of work while drinking coffee :) 20:07:07 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B52.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:07:18 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B52.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:09:52 <frosch123> Zuu: TC_ are textcolours, company colous are COLOUR_ or so 20:10:20 <frosch123> but of course you could use this great tool http://devs.openttd.org/~frosch/advertise.png :p 20:10:38 <frosch123> (i somehow need to get it to the top of most quoted links) 20:11:41 *** mib_krp2ku [5893434a@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 20:14:54 <PeterT> what? http://devs.openttd.org/~frosch/advertise.png 20:16:02 <SmatZ> nice screenshot, http://devs.openttd.org/~frosch/advertise.png 20:16:49 <frosch123> :p 20:17:03 <frosch123> cheater! 20:17:13 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55928dd9.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:18:23 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55928dd9.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 20:18:36 <PeterT> SmatZ: Were you talking about this one? http://devs.openttd.org/~frosch/advertise.png 20:18:40 <PeterT> or this one? http://devs.openttd.org/~frosch/advertise.png 20:18:52 <SmatZ> PeterT: http://devs.openttd.org/~frosch/advertise.png this one 20:19:07 <PeterT> oh, ok, this one http://devs.openttd.org/~frosch/advertise.png 20:19:11 <SmatZ> frosch123: what's so special about that link? 20:19:17 <frosch123> don't make it get added to dorpsgek 20:19:47 <SmatZ> maybe because of the word "advertise"? 20:19:48 <frosch123> http://alpha.visl.sdu.dk/~tino/pisg/OFTC/openttd.html 20:19:56 <TinoDidriksen> Huh? 20:19:58 <TinoDidriksen> Oh 20:20:07 <frosch123> "Most referenced URLs" 20:20:17 <PeterT> frosch123: http://electricpotential.net/ircstats/openttd2.html 20:20:20 <TinoDidriksen> Right...maybe I should disable my highlight for URLs with my name in... 20:20:23 <frosch123> someone highlights on tin* :) 20:20:31 <SmatZ> :D 20:21:15 <PeterT> I'm number 4 on that list? wow. 20:21:28 <PeterT> SmatZ: Are you aware there is a SmatZ_? 20:22:04 <SmatZ> PeterT: yes, it's me 20:22:12 <PeterT> You use two different clients? 20:22:12 *** SmatZ_ [~smatz@a40-prg1-22-216.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 20:22:19 <PeterT> just to join #oftc and #gcc? 20:22:20 * SmatZ_ slaps PeterT 20:22:22 <PeterT> and #openttd now 20:22:24 *** SmatZ_ [~smatz@a40-prg1-22-216.static.adsl.vol.cz] has left #openttd [Konversation terminated!] 20:22:27 <SmatZ> yes 20:22:40 <SmatZ> I don't want to connect via BNC there 20:22:45 <SmatZ> to reduce BNC traffic 20:22:55 <PeterT> ok 20:23:53 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: at least on those stats the "list of referenced nicks" is not spoiled by kiddies who name themselves "I" or "You" yet... 20:24:38 <Faux> It's trivial to add things like that to the ignore list. 20:25:06 <Eddi|zuHause> Faux: if it's so trivial, why do i see that so often? 20:25:21 <Faux> 'cos it requires more than installing the debian package and pointing it at a folder? 20:25:30 * Faux has 178 directives of pisg config. 20:25:32 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: in both cases you are the top spammer 20:25:46 <Eddi|zuHause> i know ;) 20:26:04 <Eddi|zuHause> my lines tend to be longer than the others' 20:26:34 <SmatZ> @seen ChorizoGrueso 20:26:34 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: ChorizoGrueso was last seen in #openttd 3 days, 19 hours, 27 minutes, and 43 seconds ago: <ChorizoGrueso> ns done? If you are sick of this, join Chimpout forum! http://www.chimpout.com/forum 20:26:49 <SmatZ> oh, a spammer 20:27:09 <glx> [21:26:42] <DorpsGek> Error: I cowardly refuse to kickban myself. 20:27:11 <glx> lol 20:27:14 <SmatZ> hehe 20:28:00 <SmatZ> frosch123: http://devs.openttd.org/~frosch/advertise.png will be on the not next time that page is updated 20:28:39 <frosch123> err, can you please rephrase :) 20:28:42 <Eddi|zuHause> it's funny, you can play "spot the american" in the top 25 ;) 20:29:01 <SmatZ> frosch123: s/not/top 20:29:03 <SmatZ> ;) 20:29:13 <frosch123> hehe :) 20:29:14 <SmatZ> that page = stats page 20:30:20 <PeterT> Eddi|zuHause: Eddi|zuHause spoke a total of 41721 words! 20:30:34 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: the brazilian-coloured one? 20:30:40 <Eddi|zuHause> PeterT: i can read, thank you :p 20:31:17 <PeterT> PeterT 1991 pwnt 20:32:23 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: i thought roboboy was australian? 20:32:41 <frosch123> no idea, never talked with him 20:32:45 <PeterT> He is 20:33:14 <Eddi|zuHause> well, it's hard to get in touch with australians when both have a regular sleep pattern :p 20:33:28 *** FFMA`Eoin [~eoin@cpc1-dund8-0-0-cust3.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 20:33:40 *** Phalax [~kvirc@84.19.128.89] has quit [Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: , sources date: 20090520, built on: 2009/06/08 19:18:46 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/] 20:34:06 *** FFMA`Eoin is now known as Eoin 20:36:04 <andythenorth> hi hi 20:36:27 <PeterT> andythenorth: I would love to have RoadTypes 20:36:28 <Eddi|zuHause> hello, man from the north 20:36:35 <PeterT> Dirt road, especially 20:36:39 <PeterT> also, hello and 20:36:42 <PeterT> also, hello andythenorth 20:36:58 <andythenorth> PeterT: why don't you patch for it? 20:37:06 <Zuu> frosch123: Ok, then it was that the Gfx functions maybe want the colours in a different format then. 20:37:07 <PeterT> I don't know C++ 20:37:15 <PeterT> that's peter1138's place 20:37:20 <andythenorth> neither did anyone else before they learnt it 20:37:27 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: fwiw, i believe in a few months i can be dual top "spammer" in the long term stats as well ;) 20:37:38 <andythenorth> hands up if you got born knowing C++ 20:38:02 <andythenorth> PeterT: "I don't know" is such a crap excuse :D 20:38:12 <andythenorth> I don't know nfo, but I'm bloody learning it 20:38:31 <PeterT> Also, did you self-censor "bl**dy" on the forums? 20:38:32 <PeterT> what for? 20:39:00 <andythenorth> children read the forums. I can uncensor if censoring offends 20:39:17 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 20:39:23 <PeterT> Censoring does offend 20:39:38 <Eoin> TT-F is 13+ though 20:40:40 <Zuu> Most offending is when they blur the mouth of people in TV series and not just beep out the sound. 20:41:26 <frosch123> Zuu: which Gfx function do you want to use? 20:41:28 <Zuu> Because then you can't bypass the beep by lip reading it instead. :-) 20:42:26 <Eddi|zuHause> i, as a foreign-language-speaker, hate when they beep out stuff in american tv shows 20:42:37 <PeterT> Why? 20:42:46 <Eddi|zuHause> you loose a lot of context that way... 20:43:30 <Eddi|zuHause> PeterT: native speakers can easily guess the beeped out content, but foreign language speakers often do not have that ability 20:44:16 <Zuu> frosch123: GfxFillRect 20:44:24 <SmatZ> does it really matter which bad word was beeped out? 20:44:34 <Eddi|zuHause> SmatZ: yes. 20:45:05 <frosch123> Zuu: that one takes a palette index directly, there is no enum for those 20:45:07 <peter1138> BEEP you i won't do what you tell me 20:45:29 <SmatZ> hehe 20:45:56 <frosch123> take a look at table/palettes.h 20:46:05 <Zuu> frosch123: Ok 20:47:11 * andythenorth uncensored the bloody censoring 20:47:30 <Zuu> I guess the problem is that the different colour types are typecompatible with eachother in OpenTTD, so the compiler won't complain. 20:47:49 <PeterT> You didn't uncensor it, you just changed the word 20:47:57 <Zuu> Or put it in other words that I didn't read the function documentation clear enough. ;-) 20:47:59 <PeterT> I was thinking more Bl**dy -> Bloody 20:48:02 * frosch123 reports the post for censoring 20:48:05 <frosch123> :p 20:48:07 <PeterT> not Bl**dy -> Silly 20:48:12 <PeterT> :-P 20:48:13 <andythenorth> PeterT: if you spent less time on this you'd have more time to learn C++ 20:48:32 * andythenorth wonders if curry is cooked yet 20:48:38 * andythenorth finds the answer is yes 20:49:04 <Zuu> And when you become a coder by heart you'll know that the details are important. (as you just saw ;-) ) 20:49:12 <Eddi|zuHause> i only know haskell curry 20:50:09 <andythenorth> is there any way to add a C++ test as a prerequisite to joining #openttd? 20:50:33 <Eddi|zuHause> chanmode +k? :) 20:50:46 <PeterT> /mode +k C++ 20:50:57 <andythenorth> I'd have to learn C++ mind 20:51:04 <andythenorth> or go do something else instead of this 20:51:10 * andythenorth wanders away to eat curry 20:51:20 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E713.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:51:23 <Eddi|zuHause> go, irc only wastes your time anyway :p 20:52:20 <PeterT> irc is educational 20:52:46 <PeterT> besides, I can read C++ well 20:52:51 <Bluelight> Is there a IRC channel for the game Arcanum? 20:52:55 <PeterT> if (SaveOrLoad(filename, SL_SAVE, SAVE_DIR) != SL_OK) { 20:52:55 <PeterT> IConsolePrint(CC_ERROR, "Saving map failed"); 20:53:15 <Eddi|zuHause> Bluelight: why would we know that? 20:53:24 <Bluelight> Dunno, lol 20:53:27 <PeterT> means "if the filename, SL_SAVE is not equal to SL_OK, then output in the console "Saving map Failed"" 20:53:40 <Eddi|zuHause> PeterT: no, it does not 20:53:46 <PeterT> what does it mean? 20:54:15 <Eddi|zuHause> PeterT: it means "run the function SaveOrLoad, and if that returns something other than SL_OK, print an error message" 20:54:44 <Zuu> Filename, SL_SAVE, SAVE_DIR are all three arguments to the function SaveOrLoad. 20:54:55 <Zuu> filename* 20:54:57 <frosch123> night 20:55:01 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f7a78.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:55:57 <Rubidium> PeterT: then what does http://paste.openttd.org/221193 do? (without trying to compile it) 20:57:25 <PeterT> DoSomething && print "%d" 20:57:28 <PeterT> then /t 20:57:42 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 20:59:22 <Zuu> PeterT, not really. There are several conditions in there as well as recrusive calls. 21:00:08 <Eddi|zuHause> it's something recursive... 21:00:13 <Zuu> Rubidium: Shouldn't the _ function have a defined return type? 21:00:28 <Rubidium> Zuu: for C++ yeah, for C it compiles :) 21:00:41 <Zuu> So in C int is implicit? 21:00:50 <Rubidium> yeah, apparantly 21:01:17 <Zuu> I've never done C. 21:03:00 <Rubidium> but yes, it's recursive 21:05:22 <Eddi|zuHause> i have a feeling it could be a sieve of erathostenes 21:05:30 <Eddi|zuHause> or something with primes 21:06:30 <Rubidium> it doesn't do what it's supposed to do anyway :) 21:06:48 <Rubidium> as always: wikipedia isn't a reliable source :) 21:07:00 <Eddi|zuHause> _____ is some kind of stepwidth 21:10:40 <Eddi|zuHause> http://paste.openttd.org/221194 <-- slightly rewritten (only whitespace and variable renaming) 21:13:07 <Eddi|zuHause> first step is setting b = b+n*d until b > a*d 21:13:36 <Eddi|zuHause> so for the given input it's x(100,100,0,1) 21:13:55 <Eddi|zuHause> err, x(100,101,0,1) 21:14:12 <Eddi|zuHause> even worse 21:14:21 <Eddi|zuHause> x(100,201,0,1) 21:14:56 <Eddi|zuHause> still not right 21:14:59 <Eddi|zuHause> x(100,200,0,1) 21:15:04 <Eddi|zuHause> man, this is hard ;) 21:16:06 <Eddi|zuHause> the second step is skipped, because 200%100=0 21:16:50 <Eddi|zuHause> third and fourth step is skipped, too 21:17:03 <Eddi|zuHause> and b<a^2, so it increases b again 21:17:43 <Eddi|zuHause> x(100,201,0,1) 21:18:20 <Eddi|zuHause> now 201%100 = 1, so it sets c to that value 21:18:34 <Eddi|zuHause> x(100,202,1,1) 21:18:44 *** valhalla1w [~valhallas@s55928dd9.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 21:18:59 <Eddi|zuHause> and repeats that, until b%a==0 again 21:19:18 <Eddi|zuHause> so it's now x(100,300,99,1) 21:20:50 <Eddi|zuHause> could it be that it never ever prints anything, because when it gets to the third case, b%a is always 0? 21:21:28 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: just compile it with gcc :) 21:21:49 <Alberth> Eddi|zuHause: the Python challenge seems something for you: http://www.pythonchallenge.com/ 21:22:18 <andythenorth> uh oh. I get busted at about #3 in the python challenge :( 21:22:23 <Zuu> Or projecteuler.net where you can choose whatever language you want. :-) 21:22:24 <andythenorth> lame 21:22:55 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: well, that kinda supports my initial thought ;) 21:23:01 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9CAE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:23:04 <Eddi|zuHause> only it's printing wrong numbers 21:24:38 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55928dd9.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:25:16 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: terkhen * r18986 /trunk/src/ (ai/api/ai_road.cpp ai/api/ai_road.hpp road_cmd.cpp): -Fix (r18803): Make building long roads fail for AIs if there is an obstacle in the way. 21:25:55 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55928dd9.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 21:26:57 <Zuu> Terkhen: So the road will still be built up to the obstacle but the return value will be false? 21:28:04 <Zuu> Could possible still break road building code for some AI. 21:28:10 <Terkhen> the road will not be built at all 21:28:23 <Zuu> Okay, good news :-) 21:28:26 <Terkhen> should be identical to old behaviour :) 21:29:02 <Zuu> I just read through the changeset on vcs.openttd.org, didn't actually read the whole context of those changes. 21:30:26 <Zuu> Thank you for the fix. 21:31:12 *** valhalla1w [~valhallas@s55928dd9.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:31:35 <Terkhen> thank you for the report, let me know if there are further problems :) 21:32:45 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: i'm confused... the parameter c can never be set to anything other than 0 21:33:26 <Zuu> Terkhen, in the AI API docs you could add that if it fails, it will not build anything at all. Since it differs from the player behaviour. 21:33:33 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Untenmaa, Utm AÂœ - Aja 35 Odota seis] 21:34:00 <Zuu> New AI authors might get confused otherwise. 21:34:40 <Zuu> Though, the road building is still a bit different for AIs already. 21:34:44 <SmatZ> Zuu: it's documented, see the diff 21:34:50 <SmatZ> if that's what you had in mind 21:36:02 <Zuu> Only building up to the obscale and returning fales could be seen as failing? 21:36:08 <Zuu> false* 21:36:38 <SmatZ> ok :) 21:38:28 <Eddi|zuHause> so it always increases b by step d, and prints something whenever b = n*(a+1) 21:39:01 <Eddi|zuHause> and occasionally it increases d 21:39:31 <Eddi|zuHause> under a really obscure condition 21:41:50 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: obscurity is bliss? :) 21:48:55 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-22-21.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:50:55 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-23-228.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 21:50:58 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 21:51:44 *** Diablo-D3 [~diablo@pool-64-222-232-11.port.east.myfairpoint.net] has joined #openttd 21:56:08 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.98] has joined #openttd 21:56:09 *** Eoin [~eoin@cpc1-dund8-0-0-cust3.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:56:12 *** Eoin [eoin@cpc1-dund8-0-0-cust3.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 21:56:40 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 21:58:44 *** planetmaker_ [~chatzilla@F4c4f.f.ppp-pool.de] has joined #openttd 21:59:07 <Wolf01> 'night 21:59:11 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host98-238-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:00:08 *** Sacro is now known as Guest538 22:00:08 *** Sacro [~ben@94-116-82-156.dynamic.thecloud.net] has joined #openttd 22:01:41 *** Sacro [~ben@94-116-82-156.dynamic.thecloud.net] has quit [] 22:07:52 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 22:08:44 <andythenorth> Rubidium: dunno if I was clear on the problem with FS 3585 http://bugs.openttd.org/task/3585 22:09:02 <andythenorth> problem is not industry unreachable, problem is it's impossible to build road / rail routs 22:09:04 <andythenorth> routes /s 22:09:48 <andythenorth> fix might be the same though. Or I should deal with it in nfo :o 22:10:31 <Eddi|zuHause> i can't figure out the condition when it increases d, but it prints n whenever b=n*(a+1) and bails when reaching b=a^2 22:11:16 <Eddi|zuHause> parameter c is useless, and a is constant 22:11:38 <Eddi|zuHause> and b is always increased by d in each iteration 22:12:32 * andythenorth ponders checking distance to nearest of all 32 other industry types when building an industry 22:12:51 * andythenorth is glad there is templating 22:13:12 * andythenorth wonders about tying the game up in some horrible loop when trying to build an industry 22:13:44 <andythenorth> actually, probably 58 other industry types. I did beer counting above. 22:14:04 *** mib_krp2ku [5893434a@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 22:14:13 *** valhalla1w [~valhallas@s55928dd9.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 22:17:02 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55928dd9.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:19:51 *** Chrill [~chrischri@h-16-169.A149.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 22:24:25 *** andythenorth [~andytheno@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has left #openttd [] 22:25:24 *** andythenorth [~andytheno@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 22:25:55 *** roboboy [6e14237e@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 22:26:15 *** Shapeshifter [~Shapeshif@saskatoon.icu.uzh.ch] has joined #openttd 22:27:06 <Shapeshifter> Hi there. I just started playing and I don't understand why sometimes, the lorry stations I build close to some place don't want to give me the goods. For example this: http://stuff.moritzg.ch/ttdwtf.png 22:27:16 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: terkhen * r18987 /trunk/src/ (ai/api/ai_rail.cpp ai/api/ai_rail.hpp rail_cmd.cpp): -Fix: [NoAI] Make building long rails fail for AIs if there is an obstacle in the way. 22:27:23 <Shapeshifter> when building the lorry station, it said that it will give wood, but after placing it, it gives nothing. 22:27:30 <PeterT> umm.... 22:27:41 <Eoin> it dosent give you wood until you send vehicles to collect wood 22:27:46 <PeterT> Terkhen? 22:27:58 <Shapeshifter> Eoin: mh ^^ 22:28:07 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Quit: Flieht, ihr Narren!] 22:28:15 <Terkhen> PeterT: yes? 22:28:38 <PeterT> those commits sound the same 22:28:40 <Shapeshifter> I see... And, about the ratings. I read the wiki and things, but it seems very complicated with all the points. What's really important to get good ratings? little "waiting" at the stations, and? 22:29:48 <Terkhen> check again :) 22:30:16 *** Guest538 is now known as Sacro 22:30:23 <PeterT> Make building long roads fail for AIs if there is an obstacle in the way. 22:30:39 <PeterT> Make building long rails fail for AIs if there is an obstacle in the way. 22:30:40 <TrueBrain> Terkhen: and here I was proud I removed all 'special' AI code :p And here you reintroduce them :p :) Still, a very nice addition :) 22:30:57 <Eddi|zuHause> "road" and "rail" look different to me ;) 22:31:24 <TrueBrain> very nice, in fact :) 22:31:42 <PeterT> ahh 22:31:48 <Terkhen> thanks :) 22:32:22 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@181.108.203.213.9lyon1-0-ro-bas-1.9tel.net] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 22:32:45 *** roboboy [6e14237e@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 22:33:00 <Eddi|zuHause> what if that was a per-player setting and each player/AI can do it as he prefers? 22:33:50 <Zuu> Terkhen: I don't want to be a show stopper, but did the AIRail always behave like that before or was there also a 'bug' with the AI rail construction? 22:34:10 <Zuu> I have never used AIRail myself so I don't know. 22:34:27 <Yexo> Zuu: if you build a long rail with AIRail it also build up to the first obstable (and return success) 22:34:39 <Terkhen> yes, it always behaved like that 22:34:41 <Yexo> now it behaves like road 22:35:08 <Zuu> Doesn't that break Admiral AI, ChooChoo etc? 22:35:23 <Yexo> I don't think any currnent AI builds multiple rail tracks at once 22:35:31 <Zuu> Or is this only for 1.0 version of the API? 22:35:41 <Yexo> no, it's for all versions of the API 22:36:00 <Zuu> Okay. 22:36:02 <Yexo> but it won't break AIs 22:36:25 <Yexo> if they relied on the old behavior they would have to check if the complete rail was build in case of success, that'll still work 22:36:35 <Yexo> if it returned failure no part was build, just like now 22:36:44 <Zuu> Makes sense. 22:36:55 <Yexo> it could only break AIs if they rely on the current behavior but got the old behavior 22:37:34 <TrueBrain> I am suprised it was never noticed in the pre-versions :) 22:37:51 <Yexo> <Yexo> I don't think any currnent AI builds multiple rail tracks at once <- that's most likely why 22:38:03 <Yexo> and in fact I did notice, but the behavior was inconsistent in the gui too, so I didn't bother 22:38:19 <TrueBrain> true 22:38:27 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E713.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:42:23 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:46:45 <Terkhen> good night 22:46:52 <Zuu> good night Terkhen 22:46:57 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@156.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 22:49:38 * andythenorth ponders Sugar Beet as a temperate / arctic version of Sugar Cane 22:50:01 <andythenorth> FIRS = Finally I'll Release Something :( 22:50:07 <Eoin> lol 22:50:53 <Shapeshifter> mh. I have huge traffic jams on the road near an oil/powerplant lorry station. http://stuff.moritzg.ch/ttdjam.png how can I get rid of it? I've built two more stations and told trucks to go there but they don't seem to listen. 22:51:05 <Eoin> use drive-thru 22:51:19 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: sounds sensible 22:51:34 <Shapeshifter> Eoin: won't the first truck stop at the first drive through and block the others anyway? 22:51:49 <Zuu> Build them in parallell. 22:52:08 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: random idea, more climate-specific industries, and in the other climates you have ports that simulate importing outer-climate cargos 22:52:08 <Eoin> what Zuu beat me to 22:52:19 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 22:52:22 <Yexo> Shapeshifter: how long have you waited after building the 2 new stops? 22:52:25 <Zuu> If you use 1.0 beta or a recent nightly and standard vehicles, then they can stop two at each side. 22:52:26 <Yexo> maybe you should give it some more time 22:52:31 <Shapeshifter> Yexo: 10 minutes or so 22:52:34 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: sounds like RT3 22:52:45 <Eddi|zuHause> i have never played RT3 22:52:46 *** ptr_ [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 22:52:54 <Yexo> Shapeshifter: oh, can you upload the savegame somewhere? 22:53:16 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: and didn't you say FIRS is heavily inspired by RT3 anyway? ;) 22:53:23 <andythenorth> yup 22:53:57 <andythenorth> I'm thinking of ports. Someone wrote somewhere on the forums 'no off-the-map transport' and I've been trying to stick to that. but screw it 22:54:46 <Eddi|zuHause> ports might be a good addition to the game, if done right 22:54:48 <Zuu> andythenorth: so they will "trade" some cargo into something else? 22:54:53 <andythenorth> maybe 22:54:59 <andythenorth> import-export? 22:55:12 <andythenorth> sure that isn't against the spirit of the game?? 22:55:13 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think import and export should be linked 22:55:23 <Zuu> And if you find two ports that are the opposite type then you could have a closed loop between those. :-) 22:55:34 <andythenorth> umm 22:55:36 <andythenorth> yse 22:55:38 <andythenorth> yes 22:55:46 <andythenorth> anyway time for bed :| 22:55:50 <Shapeshifter> Yexo: nah I quit it, sorry. I'll try again on a bigger map, this was a small test anyway ;) 22:55:55 <Eddi|zuHause> Zuu: no, more like: in temperate, all ports import primary cargos like oil, copper, bauxit 22:56:14 <Eddi|zuHause> and export goods and supplies 22:56:47 <andythenorth> good night 22:56:47 <Eddi|zuHause> in arctic, they import food and export wood products 22:56:56 *** KritiK [~Maxim@89-178-215-249.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 22:56:58 <Zuu> Okay, so no fancy NewGRF delay logic :-) 22:57:21 <Eddi|zuHause> in tropic, they export primary goods 22:57:29 <Zuu> Put something in and a month later you get something else back. 22:57:31 <Eddi|zuHause> something along those lines... 22:57:49 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has joined #openttd 22:58:06 *** andythenorth [~andytheno@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has left #openttd [] 22:58:14 <Zuu> The opposite type port loop was mostly a joke from my side though. 22:58:18 <Eddi|zuHause> so tropic could be low on processing industries in the beginning, only mines and ports 22:58:37 <Eddi|zuHause> if you build up your network, you can found processing industries manually 22:58:43 <Eddi|zuHause> and transport higher goods 22:58:50 <Zuu> Oh, that's intresting. 22:59:33 <Zuu> Then you'd have some use for your money and possibly extended gameplay of building industries. 23:00:23 <Eddi|zuHause> that's putting the current behaviour a step further, where you have to build the wood industry manually 23:01:51 <Eddi|zuHause> in arctic, food might only be produced by the farms during summer, and you have to deliver the ports with goods to get food out of them during the winter, or something 23:02:47 <Eddi|zuHause> in temperate, mines might start to close down after 1950 (or so), and the only way to get more raw materials is through ports 23:07:21 *** roboboy [7248ce94@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 23:11:22 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r18988 /trunk/src/newgrf_industries.cpp: -Fix: [NewGRF] industry var A5 (=high 8 bits of var A4) returned the high 8 bits of var A2. Same problem for 9B/9A/98 23:11:52 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-251-226.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Something strange must have happened...] 23:14:05 *** planetmaker_ [~chatzilla@F4c4f.f.ppp-pool.de] has quit [Quit: Good bye!] 23:16:40 *** sparrL [kvirc@c-24-98-228-62.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:18:14 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 23:18:14 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:18:18 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 23:23:22 *** Chrill [~chrischri@h-16-169.A149.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [] 23:24:12 *** Bluelight [~Ivan@216.80-203-77.nextgentel.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.7/20091221164558]] 23:29:28 <Eddi|zuHause> why is there an increasing number of non-development posts (like questions/problems/suggestions) in the development forum? 23:30:06 <PeterT> The are about developing? 23:30:08 <Zuu> That has always irritated me as well. 23:30:15 <PeterT> I've contributed to that 23:30:34 <Zuu> Suggestions without any code contribution should go to the suggestions forum. 23:30:42 <PeterT> I really don't think that "Compiling problems with MSVC" belongs in OpenTTD Problems 23:30:55 <PeterT> since I'm not having a problem specifically with OpenTTD 23:31:10 <Eddi|zuHause> PeterT: no, but "why is my pathfinder behaving this way" definitely does not belong into development 23:31:20 <PeterT> What topic is that? 23:31:47 <Zuu> #2 at the dev forum at the moment. 23:31:58 <Zuu> (after the stickies) 23:32:15 <PeterT> Hmm 23:32:17 <Yexo> not anymore :p 23:32:31 <Zuu> Good work Yexo :-) 23:32:35 <Eddi|zuHause> "Why does the pathfinder behave like this?", "Original v Improved Loading algorithm", "Attachment(s) [REQUEST] plane crash off//on (or reduction)" examples of recent threads that don't belong there 23:32:35 <PeterT> Also, why is "Rail Types" there? 23:33:00 <Yexo> because there is no better place for the Rail Types topic 23:33:00 <PeterT> Eddi|zuHause: the [REQUEST] one actually lead to the making of a patch 23:33:23 <Eddi|zuHause> PeterT: but it's still a suggestion, there's an explicit forum for that 23:33:24 <Yexo> PeterT: so? it didn't belong in the development forum 23:33:56 <Zuu> If all suggestions would be posted in the dev forum because they might become a patch, then it will be even more caotic than it is now. 23:34:37 *** wolfy [~Wolfenste@dhcp-077-250-089-252.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:35:07 <Eddi|zuHause> and the "Rail Types" thread is discussing a patch that is currently in development 23:35:20 <Eddi|zuHause> only that it does not have the patch attached to it... 23:35:22 <Zuu> Users who do not code shouldn't have a reason to visit that forum other than for reading about new cool features that might or might not end up in trunk at some point in future. 23:36:32 *** roboboy [7248ce94@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 23:38:48 <welshdragon> hmm 23:39:11 * welshdragon is trying to update OpenTTD on a dedicated server 23:40:09 <Zuu> Well, people who contribute a lot towards the OpenTTD project are of course welcome in the development forum. I don't want to be harsh against those. But seeing all non-development topics there makes it a mess. 23:44:18 <Zuu> The rail types will need some GUI changes later to help users know the speed limits etc., but let them figure out the spec first. :-) 23:46:47 <Yexo> Zuu: it's true those topics can make a mess of it, but in my opinion it's not that bad currently 23:47:16 <Yexo> the pathfinder topic and the loading algorithm topic where at the wrong place, as was the plane crash topic, but that's only 3 topics on the first page 23:47:18 <Zuu> No, it is not very bad - yet :-) 23:48:06 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:48:11 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: heffer] 23:48:30 <Zuu> (and no, I don't plan on makeing lot of bad topics in there ... ;-) ) 23:49:00 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 23:49:37 <PeterT> I've noticed OpenTTD takes longer to load when a new config is placed into the directory 23:49:58 <PeterT> is it just because OpenTTD needs to gather all the data and write to the cfg? 23:50:05 <SpComb> hmm... changeing DAY_LENGTH does affect LA ratings 23:50:32 <Zuu> PeterT: could also depend on the file system you are using how long time it takes to create the file. 23:50:47 <PeterT> I am the file, it just hasn't written anything to it yet 23:50:49 <Diablo-D3> ugh 23:50:52 <Diablo-D3> theres a problem with 2cc 23:50:52 <PeterT> I understand what you mean 23:51:00 <Zuu> By definition that will take some time, but if that is relevant or not I don't know. 23:51:03 <Diablo-D3> how do I tell what trains can carry any kind of car 23:51:12 <SpComb> every time a vehicle is loaded at a station, time_since_load/unload is set to zero... every 185 ticks, it's incremented... every month, the town checks if its stations have time_since_load/unload <= 20 23:51:23 <Yexo> <PeterT> is it just because OpenTTD needs to gather all the data and write to the cfg? <- writing to the config file is only done when you close openttd, not when you start it 23:51:36 <PeterT> oh 23:51:57 <Zuu> It could be that it will need to go through the full list of possible locations to search for the cfg file. 23:51:59 <Yexo> SpComb: that's what I suspected, but I didn't care enough to find out 23:52:07 <Zuu> If it finds it early on it will skip the other locations. 23:53:27 <Rubidium> with daylength being "tested" that "good" for so long it amazes me that even more misbehavings are found 23:53:38 <Zuu> Diablo-D3: On some train sets you can see if an engine is a passenger or freight (or both) engine. 23:53:55 <Zuu> freight only engines will not take passenger cars for example. 23:55:15 <Diablo-D3> Zuu: yeah, but I cant look at anything in the buy window and instantly know 23:55:18 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:55:54 <Zuu> IIRC there is a label that says if the engine is a freight engine or not as I said before. At least that is how UKRS works. 23:55:56 <PeterT> why are topics like "Project: Economy and Balancing" still stickied? they are obviously dead 23:56:13 <Diablo-D3> Zuu: well, it doesnt seem to be in 2cc 23:56:35 <Zuu> Okay. I didn't really like 2cc so I haven't used it a lot but sticked with UKRS. 23:57:36 <Yexo> PeterT: because having that topic as sticky prevents a new topic for the same thing being opened every week 23:57:42 <Zuu> PeterT: That topic had a post one minute ago or so. Is that dead? 23:57:56 <PeterT> Dead as a project 23:58:14 <Yexo> Zuu: it's "dead" as in "no serious work on it is being done", except a lot of people that keep posting suggestions without reading the rest of the topic 23:58:40 <Zuu> I think people are often too quick at declaring projects as dead. 23:58:59 <Rubidium> Yexo: yeah, under those explanations the Mac OS X port thread is dead to 23:59:01 <Zuu> This one is more like discussed to death. 23:59:02 <Rubidium> +o 23:59:20 <Eddi|zuHause> <Yexo> the pathfinder topic and the loading algorithm topic where at the wrong place, as was the plane crash topic, but that's only 3 topics on the first page <-- there were a few more, which have already been moved 23:59:39 <Yexo> Rubidium: well, the mac os x port is "dead" currently, so I'd say my definition holds in that case 23:59:42 <Diablo-D3> Zuu: so ukrs clearly states what the train can pull?