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00:00:02 <Rubidium> (compromising via the network is hard if the network hardware isn't supported out-of-the-box) 00:01:13 <SpComb^> hmm, minimap zoom in trunk 00:01:45 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has joined #openttd 00:01:53 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: it should probably mean "4 minutes after going online" 00:02:11 <SmatZ> :-) 00:06:22 <ccfreak2k> I have no idea how to craft my own argv. 00:06:34 <ccfreak2k> And I dunno how to make a bootstrapper to launch openttd either. 00:07:36 <Rubidium> something like: const char *argv[] = { "./openttd" }; 00:08:18 <ccfreak2k> Oh, yes. 00:08:25 <ccfreak2k> I just made my test program wrong. 00:08:32 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.98] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 00:10:00 <ccfreak2k> Ok I got it now. 00:11:07 <ccfreak2k> Each arg is null terminated right? 00:12:32 <SmatZ> yes, it's a C string 00:12:37 <Eddi|zuHause> C-strings tend to do that, yes 00:13:53 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc8-newt30-2-0-cust508.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:14:01 <ccfreak2k> Just making sure. 00:14:09 <Rubidium> odd... I would've expected WineHQ's website to have more traffic than OpenTTD's, but it doesn't 00:14:41 <SmatZ> :) 00:14:41 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-25-123-91.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:14:59 * SpComb^ wishes fonso the best of patience in maintaining cargodist and its smallmap UI 00:15:06 <SmatZ> because of images, or downloads? 00:15:45 <Rubidium> well, since early January we don't distribute the binaries anymore 00:16:00 <Eddi|zuHause> who on earth downloads wine from the website? 00:16:26 <Rubidium> and wine has ~50GB this month, OpenTTD ~60GB (only website for both) 00:16:42 <Eddi|zuHause> you either install it from your package manager, or you build it from git checkout 00:17:51 <Rubidium> but for OpenTTD roughly the same holds 00:18:52 <SpComb^> "With respect to zoom-in, the step from most zoomed-in smallmap to most zoomed-out viewport doesn't seem very big, thus adding zoom-in to the map would duplicate viewport functionality." 00:18:53 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-159-227.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:21:15 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 00:25:50 <PeterT> Borat gets funnier every time I watch it. 00:25:56 <PeterT> The same isn't true with Bruno, though. 00:26:02 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:26:45 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:29:29 <SpComb^> there's something a little aggrevating about Alberth giving a point-by-point response to fonso's post from November - where fonso's asking for feedback/review on adapting his patch to be in agreement with the devs - after clobbering said patch with an incompatible implementation in trunk two and a half months later 00:31:38 <SpComb^> but I'm not aware of the full scope of the discussion on flyspray/IRC, the forum thread just reads a little weird on its own 00:32:01 <PeterT> SpComb^: Are you talking about this? http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=854239#p854239 00:33:03 <SpComb^> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=854743#p854743 , to be exact 00:33:04 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77C8A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:33:25 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77C40.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:39:55 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.98] has joined #openttd 00:41:48 <Rubidium> SpComb: my 'belief' is that when fonso has made up his mind he's very difficult to be persuaded otherwise 00:42:22 <Rubidium> e.g. the cargopacket/cargolsit optimisation thing 00:42:37 <Rubidium> X is faster, I've tested it 00:43:15 <Rubidium> when it was actually slower in trunk 00:44:14 <Rubidium> another example is that he is 'convinced' that viewport and smallmap zoom levels must use the same enum 00:45:10 <Rubidium> even when they are conceptually very different things 00:45:52 <Rubidium> well, unless you abstract even further... but then trains, road vehicles and such are also all 'the same' 00:47:18 *** Bluelight [~Ivan@216.80-203-77.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 00:47:28 *** sunkan [~Tarquin@79.102.6.26] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:47:50 <ccfreak2k> I think doltool strips debug info. 00:50:03 *** KenjiE20|LT [~KenjiE20@host81-129-83-105.range81-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 00:50:21 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.16.209.107] has quit [Quit: ãããã¿] 00:50:49 *** Bluelight [~Ivan@216.80-203-77.nextgentel.com] has quit [] 00:51:09 <Rubidium> and I wonder whether Alberth might not have seen that it was such an old post he replied too, but that you would have to ask alberth 00:53:56 <Rubidium> and besides that, would OpenTTD 'ever' support zoom in? What if we just add two zoom out levels, fiddle a bit with the defaults? Then you'd still not have 'zoom in' in the main viewport, although 'oldies' would see it as zoom in the old 'max zoom in' level will just be 'zoomed out twice' or so 00:54:11 <SpComb^> I don't have any technical opinions of my own on the ZoomLevel stuff, but as far as I can see he did ask about it on FS#3094; "So, to conclude: With a separate enum for smallmap zooming, would the patches in FS#54 be accepted? Creating a separate enum is one of the easier solutions and if this time it's not in vain I'll do it." 00:55:36 <Rubidium> now I have very little knowledge about the smallmap code myself, but would adding 'zoom in' levels not just be 'the same'? Why make stuff unneededly complex by having both a zoom in and zoom out concept in the same window? 00:55:43 <ccfreak2k> Use a magnifying glass? 00:56:30 <SpComb^> as far as I can tell, the zoom level is just a signed int... extend it off to the left and you've got zoom-in :) 00:56:52 <Rubidium> yes-ish, but a << -1 doesn't quite work IIRC 00:57:36 <SpComb^> a little `if (zl < 0) return x >> -zl; else return x << zl;` magic does the trick... 00:58:43 <Rubidium> true, but that adds more complexity; you'd need to add such code to all 'conversion' stuff 01:00:52 <SpComb^> ah well, I don't know what coordinate magic the minimap does 01:01:03 <Rubidium> anyhow, I've personally 'given up' on smallmap zoom a long time ago. Anyhow, having multiple different places where people want to discuss the same thing isn't very useful (especially multiple issues in the tracker) 01:01:30 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.53] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:01:55 <SpComb^> communication isn't always easy, it's just a pity if/when it ends up leading to wasted effort/work :( 01:03:21 <Rubidium> but then you can argue cargodist is wasted work too, because cargodest already existed 01:03:45 <Rubidium> multiple different implementations are sometimes good for gathering the best ideas 01:05:12 <SpComb^> I do miss some of the GUI features from cargodest, but the MCF model is superior 01:05:22 <SpComb^> (station cargo tree view...) 01:06:20 <SpComb^> hmm... the cargodist thread will have it's one-year anniversary on the 24th :) 01:06:43 <Rubidium> well, cargodest first focussed on the lowest level stuff and he hasn't begun on the whole flow optimisation stuff, so yes... cargodist might be better there 01:07:06 <Rubidium> cargodest was better with the respect that it used so few resources 01:07:18 <Rubidium> but worse because it added a boost dependency 01:07:54 <Rubidium> although I don't quite fancy the thread stuff of cargodist; it makes it computationally harder to join servers 01:08:28 <Rubidium> but then, I haven't looked deeply into cargodist's code lately 01:09:26 <Rubidium> trying to get trunk into a somewhat releasable state and such :) 01:09:54 *** sunkan [~Tarquin@79.102.6.26] has joined #openttd 01:13:34 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl16-61-148.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Bye] 01:15:02 *** Chrill [~chrischri@h-16-169.A149.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [] 01:15:29 *** cornjuliox [~takdj@122.53.125.99] has joined #openttd 01:15:32 <cornjuliox> join #openttdcoop 01:16:40 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55928dd9.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:17:05 <PeterT> You join #openttdcoop. 01:18:40 <cornjuliox> heh. i missed the / 01:18:44 <cornjuliox> :-/ 01:19:46 <SpComb^> Rubidium: quite, 1.0 will be a milestone when it lets you install a full OpenTTD from apt :) 01:26:51 <Rubidium> yup, and likely earlier in a Debian stable than a Ubuntu stable 01:27:09 <Rubidium> (I question the stability on non-LTS Ubuntu) 01:27:39 <Rubidium> and Debian's freeze in March seems to be postponed 01:28:50 <Rubidium> so... bigger chances of OpenTTD making it into Squeeze 01:28:59 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-107-92.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:29:32 <Eddi|zuHause> how does debian version naming work anyway? 01:29:34 <Rubidium> was amazed that Ubuntu did update OpenTTD a few days ago, instead of like two months ago 01:29:43 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: Toy Story names 01:30:06 <Rubidium> and if you don't like the code names: oldstable, stable, testing and unstable 01:30:22 <Rubidium> currently equals: etch, lenny, squeeze and sid 01:31:39 <Eddi|zuHause> so when marking a new stable, they shift the names? 01:31:58 <Rubidium> yes-ish 01:32:05 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#openttd 09:01:45 *** welshdragon is now known as Guest1542 09:01:45 *** Guest1542 [~markmac@147.143.254.98] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:01:46 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.98] has joined #openttd 09:02:01 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.53] has joined #openttd 09:08:28 *** JVassie [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:11:01 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 09:18:59 <cornjuliox> does openttd have problems running on AMD K6-2 processors? 09:21:49 <blathijs> I've never heard of any, but I guess there aren't much of those in use :-) 09:21:54 <blathijs> cornjuliox: Are you having problems? 09:23:34 <cornjuliox> well, i dont know if its the processor, but 0.7.5 and 1.0.0-beta3 have been locking up on me, i'd be playing and the entire PC would just hang, it wouldn't respond to mouse input, keyboard input, etc i have to restart when that happens i'm still trying to figure out whats wrong 09:23:57 <blathijs> Yipes... 09:24:03 <blathijs> What OS? 09:24:17 <cornjuliox> memtest86 dosen't raise any errors after running for like 8 hours 09:24:18 <cornjuliox> windows xp 09:24:23 *** Hackykid [~quassel@wlan073158.nbw.tue.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:24:23 <cornjuliox> dunno what service pack is installed 09:24:37 <cornjuliox> ah, service pack 2 09:24:58 <blathijs> Tried cpuburn or something similar? Perhaps it's an overheating problem? 09:25:43 <cornjuliox> i don't think its an overheating problem 09:25:50 <cornjuliox> i play games far more demanding than openttd and it never hangs like that 09:26:16 <blathijs> Ah, that probably rules that out, then 09:26:35 <cornjuliox> bummer. 09:26:42 <blathijs> If it locks up, does it still respond to pings on the network? 09:26:48 <cornjuliox> i only have one computer 09:26:55 <blathijs> :-) 09:26:59 <cornjuliox> :-/ 09:27:57 <blathijs> Is there a pattern to the lockups? e.g., it's always after around 15 minutes, when you're building rail tracks, on the year end, etc. ? 09:28:41 <cornjuliox> not really, but on 3 occassions it locked up on me when I clicked on the "Generate" button. 09:28:59 <cornjuliox> other times I can play for anywhere betweeen 10-15 minutes before it locks up. 09:29:44 <planetmaker> It *does* sound like a hardware issue to me. 09:30:02 <cornjuliox> yeah, which piece of hardware? 09:30:29 <planetmaker> well, what blathijs proposed first: overheated CPU... 09:30:49 <planetmaker> and it's not like OpenTTD is light on that. It may only use one core, but that determines easily heat generation, if at 100%. 09:31:08 <planetmaker> But then I assume blathijs knows more about it than myself :-) 09:31:58 <cornjuliox> certainly seems like it. i'm gonna get me an infrared thermometer. 09:32:19 <planetmaker> or possibly faulty memory. That doesn't help either... or faulty power supply :-) 09:32:26 <cornjuliox> or, do you know of any apps that can record CPU temp as a series of points on a graph over time? 09:32:34 <cornjuliox> so i can look at it after restarting 09:32:50 <planetmaker> sorry... I rarely use windows. 09:33:06 <planetmaker> cpuburn is a name of a programme I heart in that respect, though 09:33:19 <planetmaker> it's not a thermometer, but part of a test suite or so. 09:33:36 <planetmaker> otherwise we have a 100k⬠IR camera here :-D 09:34:18 <kd5pbo> planetmaker: Sell the camera, buy a new car. 09:34:32 <planetmaker> I DO have a new car. Why should I sell the camera? 09:34:33 <blathijs> cornjuliox: Perhaps motherboard monitor can do that, if it still exists? 09:34:44 <kd5pbo> planetmaker: Sell the camera, buy me a car. 09:34:49 <peter1138> heh, windows 98. how quaint. 09:34:54 <planetmaker> let me consider.... 09:34:57 <planetmaker> I think: no :-) 09:35:09 <kd5pbo> I take cash or check, as well. 09:35:30 <planetmaker> I guess it wouldn't look good either to sell state property ;-) 09:35:42 <blathijs> planetmaker: As for the "It may use only one core" remark, the K6-2 predates the multi-core processors by a decade or so :-) 09:36:15 <planetmaker> blathijs, :-) Right, still valid remark wrt multi-core then, but a bit pointless, too ;-) 09:36:25 <peter1138> and win98 won't use more than one core 09:36:30 <peter1138> afaik 09:36:41 <planetmaker> but he said XP, peter1138 ? 09:36:43 <blathijs> peter1138: Where did this win98 notion come from? cornjuliox said he uses Windows XP 09:37:01 <blathijs> I know it is more obvious to run win98 on a K6-2, though :-) 09:37:02 <peter1138> no idea :D 09:37:21 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d198-53-213-246.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Rhamphoryncus] 09:37:33 <peter1138> ah, on my screen "memtest86" is above "windows xp" 09:38:17 <peter1138> my skim reading failed and i saw windows with 86 upside down? :s 09:38:33 *** Hackykid [~quassel@wlan125035.nbw.tue.nl] has joined #openttd 09:40:37 <peter1138> planetmaker, do you see "flashing" anywhere in the docs? 09:41:51 <planetmaker> peter1138, I don't. But "flashing" is a graphic property set by the correct colour index 09:41:59 <planetmaker> so it need not be in the docs itself. 09:42:09 <peter1138> "The doc only specifies the 'flashing' lights" 09:42:13 <peter1138> but it doens't 09:42:46 <planetmaker> Well... flashing lights or barrier. Can be made such that the bar or barrier is drawin in the same sprite 09:42:59 <peter1138> no 09:43:09 <peter1138> the doc only specifies lights, not flashing lights :) 09:43:13 <peter1138> of course it can be barriers 09:43:35 <peter1138> clearly i documented W and E incorrectly 09:43:38 <planetmaker> eh? whether flashing or not, doesn't matter, does it? 09:43:53 <planetmaker> it's only a matter of chosing the correct colour? Or where am I wrong there? 09:43:55 <peter1138> planetmaker, no, but stevenh says the spec specifies flashing 09:44:27 <planetmaker> well, put that way, it's wrong what he says. And I tried to tell him that 'flashing' is a colour issue 09:44:40 <planetmaker> not an issue of sprites 09:44:41 <peter1138> you are correct in that you need varaction2 var42 to differentiate between closed and open crossings 09:45:14 <planetmaker> ok :-) But why do you have 4 sprites then for the x direction? Left and right road side? 09:45:28 <planetmaker> Or what is the detailed meaning? 09:47:46 <planetmaker> he... deleted my last posting :-D 09:49:49 <peter1138> http://fuzzle.org/~petern/ottd/bounding.png 09:49:56 <peter1138> 4 lights 09:50:21 <planetmaker> ok, then it's indeed the left and right road side :-) Thanks for showing. 09:50:23 <peter1138> if you want barriers, draw barriers and maybe empty sprites 09:50:34 <peter1138> and of course direction does matter 09:50:57 <planetmaker> Those bounding boxes are not fixed, but defined by the sprite size - as usual. 09:51:06 <peter1138> no, the bounding boxes are fixed 09:51:07 *** Hackykid [~quassel@wlan125035.nbw.tue.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:51:20 <peter1138> but you can draw outside them 09:51:22 <planetmaker> So... having a barrier included in, say, the right one, wouldn't be a problem... hm, fixed? 09:51:44 <peter1138> you have to consider sprite ordering 09:52:12 <peter1138> and remember that ultimately 2D sorting messes things up 09:52:26 <devilsadvocate> is there a channel for the 32bpp extra zoom levels? 09:52:37 <planetmaker> devilsadvocate, no. 09:52:40 <peter1138> to draw a closed barrier you want to draw it in the W and E boxes 09:52:52 <peter1138> the N and S boxes can be empty sprites then 09:53:28 <peter1138> http://wiki.openttd.org/images/c/c5/RailtypesCrossing.png 09:53:32 <peter1138> ^ that method was tried 09:53:51 <peter1138> just two sprites and two bounding boxes that change depending on whether the crossing is open or closed 09:54:05 <peter1138> but it didn't work in some cases 09:54:34 <planetmaker> yes, I'd assume so, especially if the barrier is not over the tracks, but upright in the open state 09:57:30 <planetmaker> let's see, I think your bounding box example could be added to the newgrf wiki 10:00:54 <planetmaker> mind if I use your bounding box image? 10:02:09 <peter1138> of course 10:02:19 <planetmaker> of course you mind? :-D 10:02:27 <peter1138> of course you can 10:02:32 <peter1138> it's generated by ottd anyway :p 10:02:58 <planetmaker> Yeah, Ctrl+B helps a lot :-) 10:08:40 *** kd5pbo [~kd5pbo@adsl-99-162-207-45.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:11:49 *** kd5pbo [~kd5pbo@adsl-99-162-207-45.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 10:12:56 *** Hackykid [~quassel@wlan125057.nbw.tue.nl] has joined #openttd 10:38:48 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Administr@88.130.190.161] has joined #openttd 10:38:48 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Administr@88.130.190.161] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:44:24 *** sunk [~Tarquin@79.102.6.26] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:48:36 <TrueBrain> BURP 10:50:18 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Administr@88.130.190.161] has joined #openttd 10:50:36 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Administr@88.130.190.161] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:50:49 *** robotboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 10:52:00 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 10:52:11 *** fjb [~frank@p5485D98F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:56:40 *** robotboy is now known as roboboy 11:03:21 *** Hackykid_ [~quassel@wlan125057.nbw.tue.nl] has joined #openttd 11:03:21 *** Hackykid [~quassel@wlan125057.nbw.tue.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:05:53 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55928dd9.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 11:07:19 *** sunk [~Tarquin@79.102.6.26] has joined #openttd 11:10:35 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 11:11:33 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 11:13:23 *** Hackykid_ [~quassel@wlan125057.nbw.tue.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:24:18 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E127.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:26:31 <roboboy> what is the config file name for funding a town 11:27:11 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.98] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 11:29:06 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.16.209.107] has joined #openttd 11:35:10 <Eddi|zuHause> it's founding, not funding 11:35:55 <Eddi|zuHause> found_town 11:40:16 *** sunk [~Tarquin@79.102.6.26] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:40:56 *** mib_ljh40t [589346d0@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 11:43:58 <peter1138> it's also guess, not geuse, or however... 11:44:58 <ccfreak2k> Polterguess? :) 11:48:24 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.98] has joined #openttd 11:49:25 *** Hackykid [~quassel@wlan073158.nbw.tue.nl] has joined #openttd 11:50:37 <planetmaker> roboboy, the answer is most easily obtained by searching your cfg for "town". One of those entries will be the obvious answer 12:00:21 *** Hackykid_ [~quassel@wlan073056.nbw.tue.nl] has joined #openttd 12:03:11 *** sunk [~Tarquin@79.102.6.26] has joined #openttd 12:06:56 *** Hackykid [~quassel@wlan073158.nbw.tue.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:08:54 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E127.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Progman] 12:09:38 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E127.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:09:39 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.159] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:12:31 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 12:20:25 *** mib_ljh40t [589346d0@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 12:40:36 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DB7B7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:41:22 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-254-113-47.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 12:41:32 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.98] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 12:41:37 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 13:00:44 <planetmaker> hello day_Owl. you're early :-) 13:01:45 <Nite_Owl> Hello planetmaker - late actually - I have to take my car in to be serviced 13:02:09 <planetmaker> uh... 13:02:25 <planetmaker> I hope nothing severe 13:02:54 <Nite_Owl> I tried to get to sleep early for me - around midnight my time but woke up at 3 anyway 13:03:30 <Nite_Owl> I am hoping for the best but it should be just a routine tune up and such 13:03:43 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@116.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 13:04:27 <planetmaker> Then let's hope the best :-) 13:04:29 *** ecke [~ecke@211.143.broadband13.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 13:04:36 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc8-newt30-2-0-cust508.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 13:05:14 <Nite_Owl> I did get a dashboard warning light on the transmission which promptly went away so I am hoping to be just low on fluid 13:05:35 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@166.151.88-79.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 13:06:35 <Nite_Owl> but it does need a complete going over, oil change, spark plugs, filters, and such as it has been awhile since I had it done 13:07:03 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9C84.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 13:07:36 <Nite_Owl> time was I could do all of that myself but on today's cars I barely know what I am looking at when I pop the hood 13:07:54 <Terkhen> hello 13:08:12 <peter1138> hmm, loadavg 15.7 13:08:20 <peter1138> that's less than useful 13:08:34 <Nite_Owl> Hello Terkhen 13:10:02 <TrueBrain> peter1138: what did you do? 13:13:29 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:b515:1db0:46d2:553f] has joined #openttd 13:13:29 *** Hackykid_ [~quassel@wlan073056.nbw.tue.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:13:32 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:13:55 *** Hackykid [~quassel@wlan073056.nbw.tue.nl] has joined #openttd 13:14:58 <peter1138> TrueBrain, changed my theme in gnome 13:15:16 <TrueBrain> bad idea 13:15:17 <TrueBrain> bad bad bad idea 13:15:43 <peter1138> loads of stuff was swapped out 13:15:50 <peter1138> it tried to swap it all back in together 13:25:13 *** mib_8tzlpc [589346d0@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 13:32:34 <ccfreak2k> Man. 13:32:52 <ccfreak2k> I just spent a good hour debugging a bug with that had a stupid simple fix. 13:32:58 <ccfreak2k> :x 13:36:00 *** sunkan [~Tarquin@90-224-108-233-no110.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:37:11 <Rubidium> ccfreak2k: *only* an hour? 13:37:35 <ccfreak2k> More or less. 13:37:47 <ccfreak2k> Now I'm on to a more tricky bug. 13:44:38 <ccfreak2k> malloc() is giving a seg violation after some number of times being run by sq_vm_malloc(). 13:44:55 <ccfreak2k> Or uh, SQString::Create or something. 13:44:58 <ccfreak2k> Maybe it's running out of memory. 13:50:51 <Rubidium> how much memory does the device have? 13:52:23 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r19074 /trunk/src/ (console_cmds.cpp settings.cpp): -Change: when filtering list of settings and console commands, use strstr() instead of strncmp() 13:52:25 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 13:57:09 <peter1138> 24MB 13:57:16 <peter1138> might not be enough, heh 13:57:18 *** KingJ [~KingJ-OFT@oops.i.forgot.to.set.my.hostmask.kingj.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:58:32 *** sunk [~Tarquin@79.102.6.26] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:58:37 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-254-113-47.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 14:00:25 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-166-107.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: Icebears are cute. Please, take care of them!] 14:02:43 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-166-107.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 14:02:46 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 14:08:30 <TrueBrain> I am bored 14:09:29 *** ptr_ [~peter@wpa-n2-52.kthopen.kth.se] has joined #openttd 14:10:06 <ccfreak2k> Squirrel is used for AI right? 14:10:13 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: but there's so much you can redo :) 14:11:23 <Yexo> ccfreak2k: yes 14:12:11 <ccfreak2k> Alrighty. 14:12:53 <Belugas> hello 14:14:09 <peter1138> hello sir 14:16:24 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: like? 14:17:20 <Eddi|zuHause> TrueBrain: register for my final exams 14:17:32 <TrueBrain> sure; I can also give you the grades now, if you like 14:17:47 <Eddi|zuHause> studying and learning is trivial, but the whole bureaucracy i can't handle 14:17:48 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: bananas, WT3(.1), CF 14:18:13 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: nah, too much work 14:24:06 <TrueBrain> and andythenorth was going to do BaNaNaS :p 14:24:17 *** sunkan [~Tarquin@79.102.6.26] has joined #openttd 14:25:13 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm lost in an hour... 14:25:37 <TrueBrain> we will count down till then 14:25:57 *** ptr_ [~peter@wpa-n2-52.kthopen.kth.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:28:14 <ccfreak2k> Wait/. 14:28:20 <ccfreak2k> This isn't an out-of-memory issue. 14:28:32 <ccfreak2k> Otherwise malloc() would return NULL. 14:30:08 *** ptr_ [~peter@wpa-n2-52.kthopen.kth.se] has joined #openttd 14:31:38 <peter1138> you reckon? 14:32:24 *** Splex [~splex@n219078137059.netvigator.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:41:12 <TrueBrain> malloc itself should never segfault in any way 14:41:20 <TrueBrain> else I would start to worry about your libc :p 14:41:45 *** Phoenix_the_II [~ralph@j104051.upc-j.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 14:42:13 <ccfreak2k> TrueBrain, I would expect libc (newlib in this instance) to be well-debugged, and errors that appear to happen in these libs are usually because of bad input. 14:42:33 <TrueBrain> ccfreak2k: no 'bad' input to malloc should ever cause a crash 14:42:38 <TrueBrain> as it only has 1 param ..... 14:42:55 <TrueBrain> clearly, newlib is not that well debugged :p 14:42:59 <TrueBrain> not for your intended platform anyway 14:44:02 <SmatZ> [15:28:34] <ccfreak2k> Otherwise malloc() would return NULL. <== it's very likely your system "overallocates" memory 14:44:06 <SmatZ> so it will crash 14:44:19 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: so a bad libc ;) 14:44:35 <SmatZ> it's common practice to increase malloc() speed 14:44:36 <ccfreak2k> That's easily testable. 14:44:41 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: true 14:45:26 <SmatZ> well, I am not saying it won't crash for malloc(2GiB), but it's likely it won't crash for 1000000 calls malloc(4KiB) 14:45:53 <TrueBrain> last wont is will? 14:46:55 <TrueBrain> or both in fact? 14:47:15 <SmatZ> http://paste.openttd.org/221370 from man malloc 14:47:29 <SmatZ> I think first will return NULL, second will crash 14:47:43 <SmatZ> maybe a bit more than 2GiB, and only on 32bit system 14:47:54 <TrueBrain> my malloc doesnt mention that :p 14:48:08 <TrueBrain> man malloc, that is :) 14:48:13 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: yeah, k, then I understand you :) 14:48:36 <ccfreak2k> Mine does, but I'm on linux too. 14:49:19 <TrueBrain> stupid OSX :( 14:51:51 <thingwath> I think that if you'll really try to use 2 GiB of memory (while not having that much), system will starve so much, that it will never get to the crash (before you kill it yourself). :) 14:51:52 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Administr@88.130.190.161] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:52:21 <TrueBrain> be glad it aint windows, it will swap before that ........ 14:53:01 <ccfreak2k> IIRC Windows gives you the pointer but doesn't really allocate it yet. 14:53:47 <TrueBrain> memory in general is not what it seems 14:53:52 <thingwath> No system with virtual memory will actually allocate the pages just when somebody calls mmap on 2 GiB of anonymous memory. 14:54:13 <TrueBrain> MMU for the win1 14:58:02 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 15:02:01 <ccfreak2k> Coded up a simple malloc tester. 15:02:10 <ccfreak2k> Alloc'd 64KB at a time. 15:02:33 <ccfreak2k> It didn't crash before I got a null ptr from one of the calls. 15:03:01 <TrueBrain> lol, so if first returns NULL, then it crashes? :p 15:03:21 <ccfreak2k> Good point. 15:03:28 <ccfreak2k> I should remove the check and find out. 15:03:50 <TrueBrain> owh, it didnt crash at all 15:04:18 <ccfreak2k> Actually... 15:04:37 <ccfreak2k> It's not set to close. It just breaks into the debugger. 15:06:38 <TrueBrain> tralala 15:08:30 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest1568 15:08:30 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@c-24-13-125-217.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 15:08:30 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 15:09:27 <ccfreak2k> I allocated 21,888KB of memory. 15:09:51 <TrueBrain> I think you need a new system :p 15:10:02 <TrueBrain> try using valgrind, it will tell you in much more detail what goes wrong :) 15:10:16 <ccfreak2k> They didn't make GameCubes with more than 24MB of memory. :) 15:10:27 <ccfreak2k> Actually they do, but they're called Wiis. 15:10:47 <TrueBrain> ccfreak2k: reduce the amount of memory for the sprite cache 15:10:54 <TrueBrain> might give you a bit more room to work with AIs 15:11:20 <ccfreak2k> TrueBrain, does the sprite cache init before AI does? 15:11:30 <TrueBrain> no idea 15:11:39 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@pool-71-98-107-92.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 15:11:39 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest1570 15:11:39 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 15:12:09 *** Maarten- [~dutchusa@cpe-67-49-76-8.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 15:14:01 <TrueBrain> it is btw set to just 4 MiB by default 15:14:04 *** Guest1568 [~Dale@pool-71-98-107-92.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:15:15 <ccfreak2k> Ok, so it didn't crash after many calls with null ptrs returned. 15:15:16 *** Maarten-_ [~dutchusa@cpe-67-49-76-8.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 15:17:01 <peter1138> thing is, when you get a null, what do you do? 15:17:22 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E127.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:17:30 <ccfreak2k> In my test program, or in proper behaviour? 15:17:33 <TrueBrain> scream like a girl? 15:17:37 <peter1138> in normal behaviour 15:17:39 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r19075 /trunk/src/ (6 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: unhackify NetworkChangeCompanyPassword() 15:17:40 * peter1138 nods at TrueBrain 15:17:47 <peter1138> TrueBrain, but you do that anyway 15:18:03 <TrueBrain> I take you have seen the movie of me and Belugas? 15:18:04 *** Guest1570 [~Dale@c-24-13-125-217.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:18:11 <ccfreak2k> Whatever is appropriate if I couldn't get memory. Maybe I return 1 and say that there's not enough memory. 15:18:29 <ccfreak2k> And free whatever I was going to use but now is useless. 15:19:24 *** Maarten [~dutchusa@cpe-67-49-76-8.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:21:13 <Belugas> yeah... the movie that was not supposed to be made public :S 15:21:44 <TrueBrain> owh ... really? I thought you said: PLEASE make it public 15:21:46 <TrueBrain> hmm .. 15:21:50 <TrueBrain> sorry :) 15:22:02 <Belugas> barf... 15:22:05 <Belugas> no trouble 15:22:10 *** Maarten- [~dutchusa@cpe-67-49-76-8.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:25:00 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: terkhen * r19076 /trunk/ (7 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: Move graph functions to their own header. 15:26:11 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c38a.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 15:27:00 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r19077 /trunk/src/console_cmds.cpp: -Codechange: remove company_pw from console vars 15:29:14 <ccfreak2k> I re-wrote the test to also write into the allocated memory, and it stops at 21,888KB again. 15:29:39 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9C84.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:31:48 <glx> size of your test program is 2688KB ? 15:32:19 <ccfreak2k> In memory, probably. 15:32:27 <ccfreak2k> The DOL file itself is about 268KB.] 15:40:12 <peter1138> Is that a problem? 15:40:30 <ccfreak2k> Not that I know of. 15:40:57 <peter1138> ok :D 15:42:44 *** ptr_ [~peter@wpa-n2-52.kthopen.kth.se] has quit [Quit: Zzzzzz] 15:43:29 * KenjiE20 waves at APTX 15:43:35 <ccfreak2k> Is it possible to remove squirrel/AI from OpenTTD? 15:43:36 <KenjiE20> :p 15:44:07 <APTX> Is everyone from the other channel in here?!? 15:44:23 <KenjiE20> Der's not 15:46:01 <Yexo> ccfreak2k: not yet 15:46:14 <Yexo> but in the near future it probably will be 15:47:53 <ccfreak2k> Huh. 15:47:55 <ccfreak2k> That's weird. 15:50:39 <ccfreak2k> Now a crash is occurring elsewhere. 15:53:35 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E127.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:55:36 <peter1138> you should disable compilation of drivers and blitters that you don't need 15:56:51 <ccfreak2k> I know for sure video/music drivers I'm not using aren't included. 15:58:02 <peter1138> they usually aren't, indeed 15:58:14 <ccfreak2k> I'm not using the openttd configure/makefile. 16:04:24 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19078 /trunk/src/lang/hebrew.txt: -Update: add cases to Hebrew (dnd_man) 16:05:21 *** aber [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has joined #openttd 16:06:30 *** Hackykid [~quassel@wlan073056.nbw.tue.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:06:41 <peter1138> suit yourself ;p 16:06:56 *** Progman_ [~progman@p57A1F352.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:07:34 <ccfreak2k> I'm just saying, whatever configure would pick and exclude doesn't apply here. 16:09:10 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@188.126.201.8] has joined #openttd 16:10:20 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r19079 /trunk/src/ (console.cpp console_cmds.cpp debug.cpp debug.h): -Codechange: use _debug_console_level instead of _stdlib_con_developer 16:11:20 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E127.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:11:25 *** Progman_ is now known as Progman 16:13:07 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r19080 /trunk/src/ (debug.cpp debug.h): -Cleanup: remove unused _debug_ntp_level and _debug_ms_level 16:14:57 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-5d82261e.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:15:24 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-71-233-211-64.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 16:24:19 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19081 /trunk/ (21 files in 7 dirs): -Codechange: make it possible to disable compilation of the AI+Squirrel 16:27:18 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-71-233-211-64.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:27:29 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-71-233-211-64.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 16:28:45 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@188.126.201.8] has quit [Quit: edgepro: Sanity is a full time job.] 16:29:04 *** Progman_ [~progman@p57A1F0B7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:29:30 *** Progman_ [~progman@p57A1F0B7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 16:29:41 *** Progman_ [~progman@p57A1F0B7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:36:03 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F352.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:36:11 *** Progman_ is now known as Progman 16:39:50 <ccfreak2k> A yet different bug has appeared. 16:40:20 <Eddi|zuHause> damn these bugs, they are so efficient at multiplying 16:40:28 <ccfreak2k> Oh wait, it's not a bug. 16:40:31 <ccfreak2k> It's user stupidity this time. 16:41:44 <ccfreak2k> Program dies at sqtable.h:69 16:42:49 <Rubidium> just compile without AI support 16:49:25 *** KingJ [~KingJ-OFT@oops.i.forgot.to.set.my.hostmask.kingj.net] has joined #openttd 16:52:39 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.98] has joined #openttd 16:57:02 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc8-newt30-2-0-cust508.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:58:00 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.53] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:01:15 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r19082 /trunk/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: make 'developer' a regular setting 17:02:16 *** ptr_ [~peter@wpa-n2-52.kthopen.kth.se] has joined #openttd 17:03:28 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc8-newt30-2-0-cust508.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 17:05:12 *** Bluelight [~Ivan@216.80-203-77.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 17:07:34 <Eddi|zuHause> oh, i was annoyed by that recently, and was on the brink of asking for a way to make the setting stick ;) 17:07:56 <Rubidium> seriously? 17:13:47 *** ptr_ [~peter@wpa-n2-52.kthopen.kth.se] has quit [Quit: Zzzzzz] 17:15:25 *** ptr_ [~peter@wpa-n2-52.kthopen.kth.se] has joined #openttd 17:19:43 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 17:19:53 *** ptr_ [~peter@wpa-n2-52.kthopen.kth.se] has quit [] 17:31:45 *** ptr_ [~peter@wpa-n2-52.kthopen.kth.se] has joined #openttd 17:32:51 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r19083 /trunk/src/ (console.cpp console_cmds.cpp console_internal.h): -Cleanup: remove support for modifying variables from console 17:37:58 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r19084 /trunk/src/ (8 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: minor coding-style fixups 17:38:05 <planetmaker> clean-up-smatzy striked yet another time 17:39:10 <ccfreak2k> Are debug messages funneled through one or two functions? 17:40:14 <SmatZ> :) 17:40:16 <Eddi|zuHause> yes. 17:40:30 *** sunkan [~Tarquin@79.102.6.26] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:40:41 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ff547.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:41:00 <Eddi|zuHause> ccfreak2k: i'd try looking in debug.h 17:41:10 <Rubidium> the return of the frosch! :) 17:41:19 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.159] has joined #openttd 17:41:20 <planetmaker> quack! 17:41:29 * planetmaker is silly-minded 17:41:41 <Eddi|zuHause> it's quak, not quack 17:41:47 <planetmaker> Quark? 17:42:10 <Eddi|zuHause> a quack(-salber) is a doctor-imposer 17:42:14 <Prof_Frink> Quake? 17:42:41 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, you simply do have no clue about frog-speak ;-) 17:42:49 <planetmaker> Quack is a heartily greeting! 17:43:11 <frosch123> exactly the thing you expect after 9 hours work 17:43:11 <Eddi|zuHause> indeed i have no clue about frogs, we only have toads around here... 17:43:16 <planetmaker> :-P 17:43:30 <frosch123> evening :) 17:43:31 <Prof_Frink> planetmaker: Silly. It're ducks what quacks. 17:48:42 <ccfreak2k> Success! 17:48:52 <ccfreak2k> openttd printed its help text to the console. 17:50:57 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 17:52:31 *** Devedse [~Devedse@cable-122-132.zeelandnet.nl] has joined #openttd 17:53:31 <peter1138> useful 17:55:34 <planetmaker> ccfreak2k, uhm... what's new about that? 17:55:45 <ccfreak2k> planetmaker, up until now it just crashes. 17:56:02 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: he's trying to compile for gamecube/wii 17:56:26 <planetmaker> oh.... :-) then it's indeed an improvement. Congratz. 17:58:22 <peter1138> hmm, TileHash() is distinctly patternish 17:58:47 <Rubidium> then use the method from tree_cmd.cpp 17:58:56 *** sunkan [~Tarquin@c-4f6644ce-74736162.cust.telenor.se] has joined #openttd 17:59:02 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@116.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 17:59:03 <Rubidium> maybe generalise that so it's used for houses too 18:00:08 <peter1138> hmm, that stores the random data on the map 18:00:54 <Rubidium> see line 454 of tree_cmd.cpp; that's basically it 18:01:14 <Rubidium> and it seems to work quite well for trees 18:02:18 <peter1138> hmm 18:03:05 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@116.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 18:05:17 *** cornjuliox [~takdj@122.53.125.99] has quit [] 18:18:21 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r19085 /trunk/src/ (console.cpp console_cmds.cpp console_internal.h): -Codechange: simplify hooking of console commands 18:22:47 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:26:52 *** Hackykid [~quassel@86.85.232.104] has joined #openttd 18:28:15 *** ptr_ [~peter@wpa-n2-52.kthopen.kth.se] has quit [Quit: Zzzzzz] 18:28:38 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.53] has joined #openttd 18:34:21 <dihedral> hihi - bought a new spring for my air pressure gun 18:34:43 <dihedral> i new i was missing out on something 18:34:46 <planetmaker> you play paintball? 18:38:24 <dihedral> no 18:38:38 *** ptr_ [~peter@wpa-n2-52.kthopen.kth.se] has joined #openttd 18:41:04 <dihedral> \o/ yet another one 18:44:45 <Eddi|zuHause> SmatZ: when should we expect the "make squirrel the console language" commit? :p 18:45:59 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r19086 /trunk/src/lang/ (14 files): (log message trimmed) 18:45:59 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:59 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: traditional_chinese - 4 changes by josesun 18:45:59 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: dutch - 4 changes by habell 18:45:59 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: french - 3 changes by glx 18:46:00 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: german - 2 changes by planetmaker 18:46:00 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: greek - 4 changes by fumantsu 18:46:28 <planetmaker> the line count drops ;-) 18:49:19 <Rubidium> planetmaker: ``Perfection (in design) is achieved not when there is nothing more to add, but rather when there is nothing more to take away.'' 18:49:37 <planetmaker> sure :-) 18:52:31 <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause: hehe :) 18:52:52 *** Xaroth_ [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has joined #openttd 18:53:03 <peter1138> dihedral, attack of the peters? 18:55:57 *** fjb [~frank@p5485D98F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:56:44 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sirius.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:59:49 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:01:55 *** brianH [~hal@83TAAAM35.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 19:02:38 <brianH> Hi can someone help me spam #oftc? I need to come up with some good lines thanks 19:02:57 *** TheMask96 [martijn@pride.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 19:03:27 <PeterT> brianH: Type "/part #oftc K-Lind" 19:03:43 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:03:48 <brianH> I'm not on it, when I get on it tjfontaine /kills me when I start to spam 19:04:04 <brianH> he's a jedi or something 19:04:08 *** mode/#openttd [+o SmatZ] by DorpsGek 19:04:09 <planetmaker> maybe you should be killed here, too 19:04:11 *** mode/#openttd [+b brianH!*@*] by SmatZ 19:04:13 *** brianH was kicked from #openttd by SmatZ [User terminated!] 19:04:15 * planetmaker hugs SmatZ 19:04:16 <PeterT> hehe 19:04:23 * PeterT thanks SmatZ 19:04:32 <SmatZ> hmm I have broken right mouse button :( 19:05:05 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!*@83TAAAM35.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] by SmatZ 19:05:12 *** mode/#openttd [-b brianH!*@*] by SmatZ 19:05:37 <SmatZ> when I hold it, it unpresses itself sometimes :( 19:05:58 <SmatZ> [20:03:21] <-> DorpsGek> kb #openttd brianH NO 19:06:01 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:06:08 <SmatZ> also, I need to find the correct command :-p 19:06:10 *** Xaroth_ is now known as Xaroth 19:06:18 <PeterT> @kban? 19:06:29 <SmatZ> oh, thanks :) 19:06:46 <SmatZ> I tried kb, kickban, ban... 19:07:46 *** Rygir [~masked@d5153986F.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 19:10:12 <Ammler> thought, the banned tor completely from this netwokr 19:10:23 *** sunkan [~Tarquin@c-4f6644ce-74736162.cust.telenor.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:16:08 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Administr@88.130.190.161] has joined #openttd 19:17:16 *** bart_ [~quassel@83.101.76.210] has joined #openttd 19:18:03 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!*@*.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] by SmatZ 19:18:05 *** sunkan [~Tarquin@c-4f6644ce-74736162.cust.telenor.se] has joined #openttd 19:18:09 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!*@83TAAAM35.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] by SmatZ 19:18:41 <PeterT> That bans all tor clients? Clever... ;-) 19:19:22 *** bart_ [~quassel@83.101.76.210] has quit [] 19:19:51 *** bart_ [~quassel@83.101.76.210] has joined #openttd 19:21:12 <Eddi|zuHause> no, only the one ID 19:21:34 <Eddi|zuHause> for all tor users, it'd be *.tor-irc... 19:22:08 <PeterT> You mean like [14:17:57] * SmatZ sets ban on *!*@*.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net? 19:22:55 <Eddi|zuHause> oh, i missed that line 19:24:16 <Eddi|zuHause> fuck tor... who needs privacy on the internet anyway... let those governments spy on all of us to protect us from the evil terrorists 19:24:18 <frosch123> how can someone even consider complaining about something in the beta4 thread if he is playing 0.7 :o 19:24:24 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9C84.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:26:20 <PeterT> Spam from brianH in #oftc 19:26:28 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 19:26:59 <PeterT> :-( 19:27:13 <Eddi|zuHause> why would we care? 19:27:44 *** ptr_ [~peter@wpa-n2-52.kthopen.kth.se] has quit [Quit: Zzzzzz] 19:29:17 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d198-53-213-246.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 19:35:15 *** mib_8tzlpc [589346d0@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 19:35:15 <ccfreak2k> Ok, now when I load openttd, the cube reboots. 19:35:37 <Eddi|zuHause> sounds like windows ;) 19:35:48 <frosch123> try with a sphere 19:37:56 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host17-233-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 19:38:03 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:38:04 <Wolf01> hello \o/ 19:38:56 <PeterT> hi Wolf01 :) 19:39:02 <Rubidium> oh, you should give that version of OpenTTD to Capt. Picard :) 19:39:39 <Wolf01> I noticed that new railtypes was applied to trunk, good one 19:39:54 <Rubidium> frosch123: it's like consider complaining about your patched build on our bug tracker 19:39:56 <ccfreak2k> A spontaneous reboot usually indicates that the program returned from main(), but I can't debug it because it apparently occurs before debug inits. 19:39:58 <ccfreak2k> :/ 19:40:06 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:40:43 <Eddi|zuHause> "make run-gdb" 19:40:59 <Eddi|zuHause> (if you were using a sane build environment) 19:41:15 <ccfreak2k> Eddi|zuHause, I can't use gdb to run it. 19:41:51 <ccfreak2k> It has to run by itself, initialize the network adapter and then libdb. 19:43:34 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 19:43:38 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.98] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 19:44:11 <Eddi|zuHause> usually you start the debugger to load the program, not the program to load the debugger... really who designed that build environment? 19:44:40 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: Nintendo? 19:44:44 <ccfreak2k> The program isn't running on my computer, though. It runs on the GameCube. 19:45:04 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, and you start the debugger on gamecube... 19:45:17 <Bluelight> Installing new router.. Will be back later.. :) Cya! 19:45:49 <ccfreak2k> Where would I start the debugger? 19:46:16 <Eddi|zuHause> yay... new router... means we'll get hit with another batch of "server still doesn't work" questions... 19:46:31 <Bluelight> He he.. lol 19:47:00 <Bluelight> If it don't work now I'll get crazy for sure.. 19:47:09 <Bluelight> Cya! 19:47:15 *** Bluelight [~Ivan@216.80-203-77.nextgentel.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.7/20091221164558]] 19:55:45 <ccfreak2k> Rubidium, the software is homebrew and the toolchain is mingw. 19:55:52 <ccfreak2k> Just fyi. 20:06:47 <Eddi|zuHause> idea for loading: when not waiting for full load, and timetable has run out, how about limiting the number of loading steps to capacity/loading speed? this would prevent the "(passenger) trains wait for full load even though they shouldn't" problem 20:08:09 *** harerimich [~jsisko62@hemeralopia.googleeyes.net] has joined #openttd 20:14:16 *** harerimich [~jsisko62@hemeralopia.googleeyes.net] has quit [] 20:14:51 *** Phoenix_the_II [~ralph@j104051.upc-j.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:19:52 *** ptr_ [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 20:20:34 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19087 /trunk/src/ (60 files in 4 dirs): -Codechange: some typos in StringIDs 20:23:02 <PeterT> When trying to change my real name, I get the following error after clicking "Update Details": You need to fill in the Real Name field, and either the Email Address or Jabber ID field. 20:23:06 <glx> ccfreak2k: maybe you should try in emulator until it works 20:23:25 <PeterT> there is also no editable e-mail field, or any Jabber ID field 20:23:58 <ccfreak2k> glx, I know of only two emulators: one of them (Dolphin) doesn't run on my box due to lack of SSE2, and the other just doesn't work with anything but the trivial example programs. 20:28:49 *** Rygir [~masked@d5153986F.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:31:19 *** Bluelight [~Ivan@216.80-203-77.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 20:31:20 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@38-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 20:31:57 <Bluelight> Ok, what ports did the server use again? :p 20:32:18 <Rubidium> the ones as described in the multiplayer document? 20:32:25 *** Yexo [~Yexo@38-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:32:38 <PeterT> Bluelight: @ports 20:32:50 <Bluelight> @ports 20:32:50 <DorpsGek> Bluelight: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication, UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advertise) communication (outbound), and TCP port 3978 for content service, a.k.a. BaNaNaS (outbound) 20:32:54 <Bluelight> lol 20:42:12 <Bluelight> Ok,s erver running.. Crossing finger here now.. 20:42:28 <Bluelight> server* fingers* 20:43:38 <Bluelight> Convinient with @ports lol 20:44:20 <Bluelight> @weather Oslo,Norway 20:44:26 <Bluelight> Doh.. 20:44:35 <planetmaker> hint: try @kban :-P 20:45:01 <Bluelight> He he.. 20:45:05 <Bluelight> kban self? 20:45:14 <planetmaker> possibly @kbanme 20:46:11 <KenjiE20> I don't think dorps has the Suicide plugin loaded, sadly :P 20:46:20 <planetmaker> :-) 20:46:28 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19088 /trunk/src/lang/english.txt: -Fix: some typos/spelling errors in the base 'translation' 20:47:02 <PeterT> Oh, that brings back memories 20:48:47 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F0B7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:50:51 *** Bluelight_ [~Ivan@216.80-203-77.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 20:51:21 <Bluelight_> Damn, router restart.. Hope this is just some new hickup.. 20:53:10 *** Bluelight [~Ivan@216.80-203-77.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:53:18 *** Bluelight_ is now known as Bluelight 20:54:31 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19089 /trunk/src/ (rail_map.h window.cpp): -Codechange: some minor coding style 20:55:29 <Bluelight> Is there still corrupt data from my server? 20:55:35 <Bluelight> Can you check? 20:57:06 <Bluelight> Is the name server: 88.106.223.196 ? 20:58:04 <Bluelight> As usual I get a lot of queries.. 21:01:37 *** Chillosophy [~fu@195-241-120-76.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [] 21:06:20 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19090 /trunk/src/ (6 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: some comment coding style fixes 21:08:13 *** Bluelight_ [~Ivan@216.80-203-77.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 21:08:25 *** Hackykid [~quassel@86.85.232.104] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:08:42 *** mib_do7w2o [589346d0@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 21:08:46 <Bluelight_> Did someone write anything? :p My router kkeps hanging.. 21:08:51 <Bluelight_> keeps* 21:09:01 <Bluelight_> It just freeze.. 21:09:08 *** bart_ [~quassel@83.101.76.210] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.] 21:11:05 *** Bluelight [~Ivan@216.80-203-77.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:11:11 *** Bluelight_ is now known as Bluelight 21:12:32 *** Hackykid [~quassel@86.85.232.104] has joined #openttd 21:13:41 <peter1138> so you got another shit router? 21:14:05 <aber> its a special icemaker Router!!! 21:14:20 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F0B7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:17:19 <andythenorth> hi hi 21:17:24 <andythenorth> anything interesting happening? 21:17:42 <PeterT> Yes 21:17:54 <Bluelight> Grr.. Router problems.. But it's been working for a while now. 21:17:55 <Rubidium> depends on what is 'interesting' 21:18:18 <andythenorth> I see Rockets have been suggested. 21:22:23 *** Cybertinus is now known as Guest1608 21:22:50 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.98] has joined #openttd 21:24:23 <Terkhen> that suggestion is like the spaceship in civilization 21:24:40 *** Bluelight_ [~Ivan@216.80-203-77.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 21:24:56 <Bluelight_> God how slow the IRC network is on connecting.. 21:25:10 <PeterT> I've never had any problems 21:25:14 <Bluelight_> But I actually had a player on my server for some weird reson.. 21:25:29 <Bluelight_> He lost connection when router froze again.. 21:26:24 <Rubidium> try placing it in the oven at 40 degrees C, maybe it doesn't freeze then 21:26:42 <Rubidium> if that doesn't help, whack it to 250 degrees C and it won't freeze anymore at all 21:28:43 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19091 /trunk/src/ (aircraft_cmd.cpp roadveh_cmd.cpp ship_cmd.cpp train_cmd.cpp): -Cleanup: remove some unneeded zeroing 21:29:02 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has joined #openttd 21:29:09 *** Bluelight [~Ivan@216.80-203-77.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:29:22 *** Bluelight_ is now known as Bluelight 21:34:57 <peter1138> you need to return that router 21:34:58 <peter1138> it's shit 21:37:14 *** Devedse [~Devedse@cable-122-132.zeelandnet.nl] has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 21:37:33 *** Devedse [~Devedse@cable-122-132.zeelandnet.nl] has joined #openttd 21:38:29 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:38:44 <Eddi|zuHause> # I don't want anything more 21:38:46 <Eddi|zuHause> # Than to see your face when you open the door 21:38:47 <Eddi|zuHause> # You'll make me beans on toast and a nice cup of tea 21:38:49 <Eddi|zuHause> # And we'll get a Chinese and watch TV 21:39:56 <planetmaker> eh, yeah, sure 21:40:12 <Rubidium> peter1138: or a new ISP :) 21:40:38 <Eddi|zuHause> or a new game to worry about :p 21:43:47 *** Yexo_ is now known as Yexo 21:46:10 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ff547.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:47:08 *** Bluelight [~Ivan@216.80-203-77.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:50:35 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Untenmaa, Utm AÂœ - Aja 35 Odota seis] 21:51:31 <aber> my internet provider is quiet nice, just stupid traffic limits :( 21:52:11 *** Bluelight [~Ivan@216.80-203-77.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 21:52:34 <Bluelight> Is UPnP bad? 21:52:50 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:53:17 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 21:53:22 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-5d82261e.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: bis dann] 21:54:06 <Eddi|zuHause> (actually, i have never seen it in action) 21:54:55 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: ofcourse it's not bad, it allows arbitrary applications to punch holes in your router's firewall. It's *the* perfect tool to help those poor spammers (they get paid awfully bad per spam mail) 21:56:03 <Eddi|zuHause> i didn't think you'd get rich by becoming a spammer ;) 21:58:47 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-243-056.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Something strange must have happened...] 22:00:25 *** Bluelight_ [~Ivan@216.80-203-77.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 22:00:44 <Bluelight_> What is FEC Errors 22:00:49 <Bluelight_> I get those on the router.. 22:01:12 <Bluelight_> And a few CRC Errors 22:01:18 <Rubidium> lmgtfy.com?q=fec+errors ? 22:01:23 <Bluelight_> And HEC Errors 22:01:40 <Eddi|zuHause> it means that you screwed up hopelessly 22:01:43 <planetmaker> ask the manufacturer. 22:02:31 <Rubidium> let me see... corrupt ATM headers, corrupt ATM data, corrupt IP packets... corrupt *everything*? 22:03:05 <Belugas> night 22:03:07 <planetmaker> bad ISP :-P 22:03:09 <Eddi|zuHause> and you wonder why corrupt things even get through to the master server :P 22:03:11 <Rubidium> ciao Belugas 22:03:11 <planetmaker> good night Belugas 22:03:13 <jonty-comp> perhaps it's just your internet that's terrible 22:03:53 <Bluelight_> Hmm.. Nesodden where I live is like a huge rock.. 22:04:02 <Bluelight_> So cables are hard to dig down.. 22:04:30 <Eddi|zuHause> Bluelight_: you're being observed by $TLA and their trojan is misbehaving 22:04:49 <Bluelight_> But this router does not reconnect after it loose connection, it just sit there disconnected... 22:05:05 *** Bluelight [~Ivan@216.80-203-77.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:05:07 *** Bluelight_ is now known as Bluelight 22:05:25 <Eddi|zuHause> Bluelight: that's probably a setting 22:05:40 <Bluelight> Cant find it.: .p 22:05:43 <planetmaker> a manual also works wonders 22:05:58 <Bluelight> Now I'm really sad.. I didn't know my connection sucked.. 22:06:09 <Rubidium> just use the Alabamian solution for any problem 22:07:34 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-254-113-47.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 22:07:47 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 22:08:23 <planetmaker> hello 22:10:15 <Nite_Owl> Hello planetmaker 22:10:51 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:11:04 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has joined #openttd 22:11:07 <Nite_Owl> ...and the failed compiles on the nightly was due to... (just out of curiosity of course) 22:11:47 <Rubidium> failed compiles? 22:12:44 <Nite_Owl> the only windows version listed for today is for 9x and ME 22:12:54 <Rubidium> oh, MSVC :) 22:12:59 <Rubidium> guess I broke that then :) 22:13:55 <Nite_Owl> not a problem - like I typed just curious 22:14:23 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-74-109-45-158.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:14:49 <ccfreak2k> Does that mean today's pariah is Rubidium? 22:15:15 <Nite_Owl> as always I am sure it will all be back to normal soon enough 22:15:36 <Rubidium> MSVC is just so easy to break if you don't use it :) 22:16:27 <Eddi|zuHause> projects/generate? 22:16:33 <Rubidium> the 'only' reason to use MSVC for Windows is that it's crash log stuff is superior to GCC's 22:16:53 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: nah, that won't fix it 22:17:31 <Eddi|zuHause> may i ask what's actually broken? 22:18:25 <Nite_Owl> there is a compile log somewhere but I forgot the link 22:20:54 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: oh, just generally 'everything' :) 22:21:09 <Eddi|zuHause> oh, alright then ;) 22:21:19 <Eddi|zuHause> business as usual ;) 22:21:26 <Rubidium> or more specially, everything related to AI stuff 22:21:47 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-2-17-131.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 22:23:08 *** Bluelight [~Ivan@216.80-203-77.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:23:22 <Rubidium> nasty thing is that a compile failure in MSVC still generates the .pdb so the CF thinks it went fine and doesn't throw a warning 22:23:30 <Rubidium> or notice about the failure of the compile 22:24:13 *** Bluelight [~Ivan@216.80-203-77.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 22:24:23 <planetmaker> can't you check for the binary, Rubidium ? 22:24:42 <Bluelight> God what a crappy router.. Brand new crap.. 22:25:01 <Rubidium> yeah, you can... but... that requires me knowing what to change and such 22:25:52 <planetmaker> :-) The usual "much work for little gain", I guess ;-) 22:26:29 <Rubidium> more the usual: should we do it now, or when we rewrite the thing because it doesn't behave as we like it to behave 22:28:13 <planetmaker> ah, that's the worse variant 22:30:16 *** Bluelight_ [~Ivan@216.80-203-77.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 22:33:59 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:35:08 *** Bluelight [~Ivan@216.80-203-77.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:35:13 *** Bluelight_ is now known as Bluelight 22:38:44 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19092 /trunk/projects/ (5 files): -Fix (r19081): MSVC couldn't quite compile OpenTTD 22:40:08 <Nite_Owl> there you go... 22:42:24 *** Devedse [~Devedse@cable-122-132.zeelandnet.nl] has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 22:42:43 *** Devedse [~Devedse@cable-122-132.zeelandnet.nl] has joined #openttd 22:44:05 *** Bluelight [~Ivan@216.80-203-77.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:45:50 *** Bluelight [~Ivan@216.80-203-77.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 22:46:38 <Terkhen> good night 22:46:43 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@116.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 22:50:35 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:53:07 *** fjb [~frank@p5485D98F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:53:46 <PeterT> is it true that a cargodist+is2 build can have adverse affects on how the pax transfering works? 22:55:00 <Eddi|zuHause> yes. 22:55:14 <welshdragon> xD 22:55:56 <PeterT> is cargodist>cargodest? 22:56:03 <PeterT> my friend disagrees 22:56:20 <PeterT> he thinks the same cdist+is2 problem wouldn't exist with cargodest 22:56:36 <Eddi|zuHause> they are fundamentally different 22:57:34 <PeterT> is cargodist better? 22:57:51 <Eddi|zuHause> they are fundamentally different 22:58:50 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9C84.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:58:50 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-107-92.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:01:07 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-98-223-99-209.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 23:03:19 *** Bluelight [~Ivan@216.80-203-77.nextgentel.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:03:24 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: since when does it matter for comparison whether something is fundamentally different? 23:04:05 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: saying "Windows Vista is better than PeterT" does make sense, right? 23:04:24 <Eddi|zuHause> certainly. 23:05:06 *** ecke [~ecke@211.143.broadband13.iol.cz] has quit [Quit: ecke] 23:05:40 <Eoin> And windows Vista is shit 23:05:43 *** sunkan [~Tarquin@c-4f6644ce-74736162.cust.telenor.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:07:20 *** sunkan [~Tarquin@c-4f6644ce-74736162.cust.telenor.se] has joined #openttd 23:07:30 <Eddi|zuHause> Eoin: that's a totally independent issue ;) 23:07:51 <Eoin> lol 23:07:56 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DB7B7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Regel Nr. 1: Jeder hört auf mein Kommando! - Regel Nr. 2: Jeder bleibt auf dem Weg! - Regel Nr. 3: ... ... Der, der blÀht, als hinterster geht!] 23:08:55 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@188.126.201.8] has joined #openttd 23:13:26 <Eddi|zuHause> PeterT: cargodest is missing 1 year of maintenance work, and load balancing over separate routes 23:13:34 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: heffer] 23:14:04 <Eddi|zuHause> cargodist isn't trunk material yet either 23:14:38 <Eddi|zuHause> so neither one is actually "good", but the tendency which is better is currently leaning towards cargodist 23:15:04 <ccfreak2k> What's the difference, anyway? 23:15:10 <ccfreak2k> Besides "one letter". 23:15:12 <Eddi|zuHause> this, however, has nothing to do with merging is2 23:15:30 <Eddi|zuHause> ccfreak2k: cargodest uses pathfinding for point-to-point connections 23:15:46 <Eddi|zuHause> ccfreak2k: cargodist is using an iterative algorithm to solve the network flow problem 23:16:22 <Eoin> uhm 23:16:25 <Nite_Owl> need to feed - later all 23:16:26 <Eoin> do i have someone ignored 23:16:26 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-254-113-47.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 23:16:28 <Eddi|zuHause> so cargodest, once it made up its mind what is the "shortest" route, will not reroute a cargo 23:16:31 <Eoin> or is Eddi|zuHause talking to himself? 23:17:03 <Eddi|zuHause> i am fairly certain that neither PeterT nor ccfreak2k are split personalities of myself 23:17:06 <ccfreak2k> Eoin, he was talking to PeterT, and then me. 23:17:12 <Eoin> uhm 23:17:16 <Eoin> i didnt see petert talk 23:17:18 <Eoin> but i saw you talk 23:17:26 <ccfreak2k> <PeterT> is cargodist better? 23:17:27 <Eoin> [22:57] <PeterT> is cargodist better? 23:17:29 <Eoin> oh 23:17:31 <Eoin> nvm then 23:18:35 <Eddi|zuHause> cargodest only reroutes cargo when the network changes due to player interaction (changing route of a vehicle) 23:18:54 <Eddi|zuHause> cargodist periodically reroutes cargo when routes are congested 23:19:53 <aber> Does somebody know how i check if i have build a universal binary. Can i force it to use ppc? 23:20:58 <Eddi|zuHause> aber: does "file" tell you anything? 23:21:33 <aber> nope 23:22:41 <aber> using rosetta :) 23:24:22 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 23:24:32 <aber> i you habe to much precessing Power this is great. 23:27:12 <ccfreak2k> I wish that last sentence made sense. :( 23:28:24 *** Priski [priski@ihq.in] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:28:28 *** Priski [priski@ihq.in] has joined #openttd 23:29:43 <Eddi|zuHause> just sprinkle a few letters over it ;) 23:30:30 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest1613 23:30:30 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-24-12-4-37.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 23:36:39 *** Priski [priski@ihq.in] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:38:09 *** Guest1613 [~Dale@c-98-223-99-209.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:38:58 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r19093 /trunk/src/console.cpp: -Codechange: do not prefix console debug output with 'condbg', [console] is enough 23:39:56 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:40:08 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has joined #openttd 23:41:29 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: you forgot h=1 ;) 23:41:56 <planetmaker> yes indeed. 23:42:26 <planetmaker> I knew something was missing, but couldn't be bothered to look it up ;-) 23:42:56 <Eddi|zuHause> you physicists are crazy anyway :p 23:42:58 <Rubidium> oh the thread where 'they' make the effort and I have the power? 23:43:17 <planetmaker> yes. Ignoring the units they do their calculation with 23:44:08 <Eddi|zuHause> times are just inverse distances ;) 23:44:25 <planetmaker> well, no :-) 23:44:34 <Eddi|zuHause> no, i miscalculated 23:44:38 <planetmaker> it's just another dimension ;-) 23:44:46 <Eddi|zuHause> they are equal 23:44:50 <Rubidium> times are just inverse divisions 23:44:51 <planetmaker> but I prefer the usual 3 and time separate. 23:45:16 <Prof_Frink> Time is an illusion. 23:45:27 <planetmaker> Rubidium: division is a fiction ;-) It's only a short hand for multiplication with the inverse ;-) 23:45:29 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-24-12-4-37.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:45:31 *** Priski [priski@ihq.in] has joined #openttd 23:45:31 <Eddi|zuHause> v=s/t, so s=v*t, and [v]=1, so [s]=[t] 23:45:46 <SmatZ> aber: Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like? 23:46:10 <planetmaker> what, SmatZ ? 23:46:20 <Wolf01> 'night 23:46:23 <SmatZ> planetmaker: I am using his language :-p 23:46:24 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host17-233-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 23:46:29 <planetmaker> :-P 23:46:43 <planetmaker> alright, I don't seem to speak it :-P 23:47:12 <SmatZ> "i you habe to much precessing Power this is great." that really got me 23:47:19 <Eddi|zuHause> SmatZ: no, you are trying to imitate the language, but yield unintelligible rubbish 23:47:22 <aber> c'mon. i eat to much cookies. My keyboard is somewhat... 23:47:32 <SmatZ> ok :) 23:47:52 <Eddi|zuHause> i actually did understand what he meant ;) 23:47:57 <Rubidium> you have words on your keywords instead of characters? 23:48:06 <SmatZ> hehe 23:48:08 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: but indeed those conventions make many equations easy to write. 23:48:22 <Eddi|zuHause> you mean E=m? ;) 23:48:24 <planetmaker> But very difficult to get any "real" results from it 23:48:32 <planetmaker> yes, like that 23:49:00 <Eddi|zuHause> well, it's easy, when you're done, you just add c's and h's until the units fit :p 23:49:07 <planetmaker> it's already very annoying to see people use cgs instead of SI 23:49:11 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-107-92.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 23:49:42 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: yeah... especially if things have units like g^(1/2) * s^(-2/3) etc. 23:50:22 <planetmaker> that's something I simply don't develop a sense of quantity for 23:50:50 <PeterT> Eddi|zuHause: Thanks for that info :-) 23:52:28 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: i guess it's just a matter of getting used to... 23:52:35 *** sunkan [~Tarquin@c-4f6644ce-74736162.cust.telenor.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:53:01 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: probably. But it's extra work if you need to compare to real experiments ;-) 23:54:36 <Eddi|zuHause> what kind of experiments does one do to create celestial objects? ;) 23:56:05 <planetmaker> small ones ;-) scaled-down 23:56:05 *** Hackykid [~quassel@86.85.232.104] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:56:22 <planetmaker> http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/fotostrecke-51623-2.html <-- we should get mixtures of bus + ship here, too ;-) 23:56:52 <Eddi|zuHause> make a newgrf :p 23:57:26 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: how long until actual artificial planet construction? ;) 23:57:33 <planetmaker> hehe. I WILL propose it to andythenorth ;-) 23:58:14 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: long time I guess. Except if you allow for computer experiments ;-) 23:58:19 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: like collecting all the dirt from the asteroid belt in one place, and forming a planet out of it? 23:58:39 <planetmaker> wouldn't really make a nice or big planet. Too small ;-) 23:58:52 <Eddi|zuHause> throw the stuff on mars? 23:59:02 <planetmaker> Yeah, seems reasonable. 23:59:08 <planetmaker> Or mine it out just in place 23:59:24 *** Guest1608 [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:59:41 <planetmaker> But we need one in geostationary orbit around Earth. For the celestial elevator ;-) 23:59:47 <Eddi|zuHause> how much combined mass is there in the asteroid belt, compared to earth?