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04:25:43 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-95-73.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:27:55 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-220-44.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 04:27:58 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 04:50:06 <welshdragon> kd5pbo: no 04:54:32 <kd5pbo> welshdragon: Thanks. 05:09:57 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.98] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 06:01:10 *** Netsplit kilo.oftc.net <-> joule.oftc.net quits: luckz, @DorpsGek, phalax, @Rubidium, guru3, IPG_slp, rane, Andel, SirSquidness, andythenorth, (+83 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 06:12:59 *** erani [eran-@garde.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:15:06 *** Netsplit over, joins: @peter1138, @orudge, Strid_, Katje, ashb, Tulitoma1tti, Born_Acorn, Osai, @SmatZ, planetmaker (+56 more) 06:15:26 *** Netsplit over, joins: Dreamxtreme, Eoin, Eddi|zuHause, IPG_slp, APTX, woldemar, KingJ, Jonis, Muxy, FloSoft 06:15:44 *** Netsplit over, joins: Prof_Frink, Ammler, Hirundo, jonty-comp, rhaeder, jpx_, @Rubidium, Elessar, LadyHawk, Priski (+6 more) 06:19:04 *** erani [eran-@garde.fi] has joined #openttd 06:44:42 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 06:45:57 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@110.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 06:46:15 <Terkhen> good morning 06:47:06 <kd5pbo> Terkhen: Good morning. 06:47:25 <lennard> have a happt netsplit morning :) 06:47:28 <lennard> happy* 07:05:15 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Quit: Flieht, ihr Narren!] 07:20:01 <planetmaker> moin 07:22:24 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:29:20 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 07:37:45 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d198-53-213-246.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 07:50:14 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@nas46-24.york.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:51:44 <roboboy> hello 08:07:39 *** IPG_slp is now known as IPG 08:07:40 <IPG> re 08:20:07 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dbc2294.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 08:20:27 *** pw- [~w00f@96.243.199.76] has joined #openttd 08:27:43 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 08:29:59 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.159] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:37:46 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.159] has joined #openttd 08:49:38 *** JVassie [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 08:55:33 *** APTXderZweite| [~APTX@ks32603.kimsufi.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:08:50 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dbc2294.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:32:45 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-199-044.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 09:49:15 <DorpsGek> Commit by alberth :: r19136 /trunk/src (industry_cmd.cpp industrytype.h) (2010-02-15 09:49:10 UTC) 09:49:16 <DorpsGek> -Doc: Added Doxygen comments for industry checking procedures. 09:50:18 <Alberth> ieks, dorpsgek is working for the secret service 09:50:32 <Noldo> really 09:50:35 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 09:55:29 <Alberth> previously, the CIA reported such messages 09:57:10 <planetmaker> under cover operations rulez 09:59:17 <peter1138> CIA appears to have disappeared 10:00:17 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 10:05:44 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFA085.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:06:42 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 10:07:01 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [] 10:07:09 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 10:10:36 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2D9623.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:16:40 <kd5pbo> CIA didn't disappear, it just went undercover. 10:19:58 *** Hackykid [~quassel@86.85.232.104] has joined #openttd 10:22:13 <__ln__> http://www.deredactie.be/cm/vrtnieuws 10:22:28 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.159] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:24:41 <Alberth> yeah, just heard it on the radio, very sad, 10 people dead :( 10:26:23 <Ammler> __ln__: aren't you the "English only" guy? 10:26:41 <kd5pbo> What happened? 10:27:08 <Alberth> two passenger trains collided this mrorning in belgium 10:27:11 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 10:27:24 <kd5pbo> Oh. 10:27:28 <kd5pbo> That's unfortunate. 10:27:57 *** George3 [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 10:28:31 <Ammler> http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Brussells-Train-Crash-At-Least-20-Feared-Dead-In-Head-On-Rush-Hour-Collision-In-Belgium/Article/201002315549311?lpos=World_News_Carousel_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_15549311_Brussells_Train_Crash%3A_At_Least_20_Feared_Dead_In_Head-On_Rush_Hour_Collision_In_Belgium <-- 20 here 10:28:32 *** Muddy [muddy@playing.OpenTTD.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:28:45 <DorpsGek> Commit by alberth :: r19137 /trunk/src (industry_cmd.cpp lang/english.txt) (2010-02-15 10:28:40 UTC) 10:28:46 <DorpsGek> -Add: Report a more useful error when failing to build a bubble generator. 10:28:56 <Terkhen> http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE61E1OC20100215 <-- 20 here too :/ 10:29:18 <__ln__> Ammler: only occasionally. 10:29:31 <Ammler> :-) 10:32:47 *** Muddy [muddy@playing.OpenTTD.no] has joined #openttd 10:34:18 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:42:25 *** welterde [~welterde@2001:470:1f0b:592:ff:0:1:3] has joined #openttd 10:46:11 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 10:46:26 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [] 10:46:35 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 10:46:50 <roboboy> hello 10:48:15 *** George3 [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:03:38 *** ss23 [~ss23@121-72-222-178.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #openttd 11:03:44 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 11:04:02 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@154.109.203.213.9lyon1-0-ro-bas-1.9tel.net] has joined #openttd 11:04:20 *** Jonis [Jonis@c-a6f970d5.027-27-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:04:32 <DorpsGek> Commit by alberth :: r19138 trunk/src/industry_cmd.cpp (2010-02-15 11:04:27 UTC) 11:04:33 <DorpsGek> -Codechange: Rename CheckMultipleIndustryInTown() to FindTownForIndustry(). 11:04:55 *** ss23 [~ss23@121-72-222-178.dsl.telstraclear.net] has quit [] 11:05:18 *** Jonis [Jonis@c-0cf570d5.027-27-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 11:15:04 *** ptr_ [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 11:15:52 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1ED9B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:24:19 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 11:29:44 <Rubidium> Alberth: you should have said "in Halle" instead of "in Belgium", would be much more fun when Eddi|zuHause wakes up! 11:29:57 <kd5pbo> Rubidium: Why? 11:30:12 <Eddi|zuHause> hey.. i'm awake for 3 hours already... 11:30:41 <__ln__> Rubidium: what's the fun part in shocking someone with false news about a fatal accident? 11:31:09 <Alberth> it is not false news, it is more precise 11:34:22 *** ptr_ [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: Zzzzzz] 11:34:25 <Eddi|zuHause> "Address:â Buizingen 11:34:27 <Eddi|zuHause> Halle, Belgium" 11:35:09 <Rubidium> __ln__: "Buizingen is a suburb of the municipality of Halle" / http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halle,_Belgium_train_collision 11:36:47 <kd5pbo> Of all the languages that could be used for the article, why Portugese? 11:37:01 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.159] has joined #openttd 11:40:37 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d198-53-213-246.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Rhamphoryncus] 11:42:43 <Alberth> it is a popular language in the world 11:43:51 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.10.92.171] has joined #openttd 11:47:57 <__ln__> yes, among the ten most spoken ones. 11:49:34 <kd5pbo> Yeah, but for a train collision in Belgium? 11:49:43 <kd5pbo> I'd have expected Flemmish or French or German. 11:50:47 <__ln__> not sure where you saw portuguese anyway. 11:52:02 <kd5pbo> List of languages in which one can view the wikipedia page. 11:53:50 *** pw-- [~w00f@96.243.199.76] has joined #openttd 11:54:18 <peter1138> hmm 11:54:27 * peter1138 ponders the bug title "Desync in multiplayer" 11:54:36 <peter1138> as opposed to a desync in... singleplayer... ? 11:54:47 <Noldo> har har 11:54:55 <kd5pbo> As opposed to desync in dekitchen. 11:55:02 <peter1138> *nod* 11:55:23 <Noldo> well there was the lonely wagon syndrome on 0.3.x ... 11:55:36 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-254-113-47.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 11:55:42 <kd5pbo> Noldo: What was that? 11:55:50 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 12:00:14 *** pw- [~w00f@96.243.199.76] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:06:26 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-254-113-47.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 12:09:59 *** Hackykid [~quassel@86.85.232.104] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 90 seconds.] 12:10:20 *** Hackykid [~quassel@86.85.232.104] has joined #openttd 12:25:21 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 12:27:40 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:33:09 *** p-w [~w00f@96.243.199.76] has joined #openttd 12:33:59 *** ptr_ [~peter@dhcp-161-113.dsv.su.se] has joined #openttd 12:39:58 *** pw-- [~w00f@96.243.199.76] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:39:59 *** pw-- [~w00f@96.243.199.76] has joined #openttd 12:43:39 *** Alpraaz [Jonis@c-0cf570d5.027-27-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 12:44:23 *** Jonis [Jonis@c-0cf570d5.027-27-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:46:23 *** p-w [~w00f@96.243.199.76] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:49:31 *** NeosaD [~Alty@45.Red-213-98-213.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #openttd 12:54:36 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B07.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:55:05 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B07.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:04:56 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-2-17-131.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 13:05:00 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust443.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 13:06:15 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust443.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 13:06:36 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust443.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 13:11:24 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:6856:edd5:a0e4:799f] has joined #openttd 13:11:27 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:11:41 *** `Fuco` [dota.keys@comp55-13.vpn.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 13:16:32 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dbc2294.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 13:18:53 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:31:50 *** CIA-1 [cia@208.69.182.149] has joined #openttd 13:32:17 <PeterT> CIA is back :-) 13:34:46 <Eddi|zuHause> how dare he 13:55:57 <roboboy> gnight 14:03:23 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 14:03:23 *** NeosaD [~Alty@45.Red-213-98-213.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:09:16 *** NeosaD [~Alty@186.Red-79-157-171.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #openttd 14:10:20 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Restarts.] 14:10:43 <IPG> night?!? 14:10:47 <IPG> :) 14:10:53 <PeterT> IPG: It's 12 AM for him :-) 14:10:59 <IPG> :D 14:11:03 <IPG> here is 3PM 14:12:34 <PeterT> Here it is 9:12 AM 14:16:44 <peter1138> well to the internet. it's international. you may have heard of it. 14:16:52 <peter1138> *welcome 14:18:04 <PeterT> lol 14:19:44 <SirSquidness> PeterT: actually, for roboboy, it's 1:18AM. Victoria and New South Wales are inday light savings at the moment. 14:24:41 *** Hackykid [~quassel@86.85.232.104] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:27:35 *** Netsplit kilo.oftc.net <-> joule.oftc.net quits: [Jako], Shapeshifter, Mucht, Splex, Ammler, Hirundo, tneo, @Rubidium, FloSoft, Jupix, (+102 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 14:28:48 *** Netsplit over, joins: @orudge, Born_Acorn, FloSoft, Muxy, Eoin, KingJ, woldemar, APTX, Dreamxtreme, IPG (+102 more) 14:33:28 *** mindlesstux [~Work@adsl-235-163-184.clt.bellsouth.net] has joined #openttd 14:55:31 <Belugas> hello 14:55:52 <PeterT> Hi Belugas 14:56:03 <Belugas> mister T, hello 14:56:17 <PeterT> :-) 14:56:29 <Rubidium> oh, that black guy? 14:56:47 <peter1138> b.a. baracus 14:57:12 <Eddi|zuHause> he who does a lot of pitying 14:57:57 <Rubidium> trying to sell crap on TV... 14:58:18 <Eddi|zuHause> don't all fallen stars do that? 14:58:37 <Rubidium> I hope not 15:01:47 <Eddi|zuHause> any ideas what the other guys who played in the A Team do nowadays? 15:02:10 <Belugas> heheh 15:02:14 <Belugas> yeah that black guy 15:02:26 <Belugas> who looks funny now, considering his age... roughly 60 15:02:27 <Rubidium> IIRC one is "playing" in "pushing daisies" 15:04:24 <peter1138> http://edinburgh.gumtree.com/edinburgh/97/53993597.html 15:04:34 <peter1138> george peppard 15:04:45 <peter1138> died with lung cancer 15:05:53 <Eddi|zuHause> yay, "program me this for free!" 15:06:33 <Rubidium> peter1138: in how many days will that be on the daily wtf? 15:08:49 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 15:10:27 <Belugas> funny... on that add, there is a link selling "UK trips from Canada"... 15:10:40 <peter1138> heh 15:20:40 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 15:35:57 *** LSky` [~x@212-182-163-199.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 15:36:01 *** LSky` [~x@212-182-163-199.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [] 15:38:56 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dbc2294.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:43:58 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-2-17-131.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:55:57 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: alberth * r19137 /trunk/src/ (industry_cmd.cpp lang/english.txt): -Add: Report a more useful error when failing to build a bubble generator. 15:55:58 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: alberth * r19138 /trunk/src/industry_cmd.cpp: -Codechange: Rename CheckMultipleIndustryInTown() to FindTownForIndustry(). 15:55:59 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: alberth * r19136 /trunk/src/ (industry_cmd.cpp industrytype.h): -Doc: Added Doxygen comments for industry checking procedures. 15:56:00 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r19135 /trunk/src/lang/ (6 files): (log message trimmed) 15:56:00 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 15:56:00 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: italian - 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3 changes by josesun 15:56:28 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: english_US - 35 changes by agenthh 15:56:28 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: esperanto - 27 changes by Ailanto 15:56:29 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: finnish - 1 changes by jpx_ 15:56:29 <SirSquidness> holy crpa CIA-1 just woke up... 15:56:31 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: german - 1 changes by planetmaker 15:56:31 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r19120 /trunk/src/industry_cmd.cpp: 15:56:33 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix: [NewGRF] Industry property 0x17 was interpreted incorrectly and in some cases circumvented the density difficulty setting. 15:56:33 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Change: Do not scale the number of industry creations during map creation with the number of available industry types. 15:56:35 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Feature: [NewGRF] Implement special industry flag 0x10000. 15:56:45 <Ammler> lol 15:57:13 * Rubidium awaits the CIA-1 kicked [flooding] 15:57:42 * SirSquidness crosses his fingers 15:58:13 <PeterT> omg 15:58:22 <PeterT> It _has_ to update? 15:58:23 <PeterT> haha 15:58:25 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dbc2294.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 15:59:38 <TrueBrain> downside of using email as delivery system ... 16:00:23 <Rubidium> why? Isn't it an upside that notifications don't go lost when their system was down? 16:00:30 <TrueBrain> true 16:00:35 <TrueBrain> but the flood is not really wanted 16:00:48 <TrueBrain> @reload XMLRPC 16:00:48 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: The operation succeeded. 16:00:58 <TrueBrain> @reload XMLRPC 16:00:58 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: The operation succeeded. 16:01:12 <planetmaker> uh? 16:01:18 *** APTX| [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 16:01:36 <Rubidium> the out-of-order notifications are funny though 16:03:50 *** APTX [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:09:04 *** p-w [~w00f@96.243.199.76] has joined #openttd 16:10:30 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.98] has joined #openttd 16:14:41 *** svip [~svip@prussia.theinfosphere.org] has joined #openttd 16:15:25 *** pw-- [~w00f@96.243.199.76] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:16:24 <svip> o_o I've been away too long from this channel. 16:16:32 <svip> I totally forgot to train about. 16:17:22 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust443.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:20:23 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.98] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 16:25:16 *** HackaLittleBit [~HackaLitt@adslfixo-b3-115-114.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 16:27:00 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust443.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 16:32:37 *** jpx [~jpx_@e83-245-141-68.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 16:34:01 *** NeosaD [~Alty@186.Red-79-157-171.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: X-CRiPt 5.1 http://www.relativo.com ] 16:34:07 *** jpx_ [~jpx_@e83-245-141-68.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:38:10 *** ptr_ [~peter@dhcp-161-113.dsv.su.se] has quit [Quit: Zzzzzz] 16:41:05 <SpComb^> *ptr 16:41:26 <Rubidium> sigsegv? 16:47:21 <sparr> I am trying to figure out why my math for cargo delivery payments doesn't match up in-game 16:47:27 <sparr> can anyone help walk me through the logic? 16:47:51 <Alberth> there is a wiki page about it 16:48:55 <Alberth> I have not read that part of the code, so I cannot help you. 16:49:31 <sparr> I am trying to use the logic on the wiki 16:49:36 <sparr> either I am doing it wrong, or the wiki is wrong. 16:49:40 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-71-233-211-64.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Back in 3 hours or so] 16:50:58 <Rubidium> ah, it's slightly wrong: read "days" as "2.5 days", i.e. read "4 days" as "10 days" 16:51:44 <Rubidium> i.e. better read http://wiki.openttd.org/Cargo_income 16:52:58 *** APTX| [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 16:53:16 <sparr> yeah, i've read that 16:54:34 <sparr> my current sample case... 16:54:43 <sparr> 35 pax at 88km/h delivered about 90 tiles 16:55:07 <sparr> i have confirmed experimentally that 88km covers 90 tiles in about 29 days, which i got algorithmically as well 16:55:16 <sparr> so, 35 pax, 90 tiles, 29 days 16:55:49 <sparr> the simple version says the payment for that should be 35*39*(1-.004*(29+5)/2.5) 16:55:55 <sparr> which seems to be right to within a couple of percent 16:56:30 <sparr> which is easily covered by the simplification of 1/256 to .004 16:56:36 *** APTX [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 16:56:54 <sparr> but now I'm trying to do the accurate version from [[Cargo_income]] 16:56:59 <sparr> and getting lost somewhere 16:57:29 <Rubidium> 29 days in game => 29/2.5 days in the formulas 16:57:38 <sparr> yes, there's a /2.5 there :) 16:58:05 <Rubidium> @calc 29/2.5 16:58:05 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: 11.6 16:59:28 <sparr> the actual payment im getting is around 00, 1250 GBP. 35*39*(1-.004*(29+5)/2.5) is 1290. I am happy that that answer falls within the potential measurement error 17:00:26 <Rubidium> @calc 3185 * 35 * 90 * (255 - 11) / 2**21 17:00:26 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: 1167.29307175 17:01:00 <sparr> that seems significantly lower than 1290, more so than the slight inaccuracies in converting the formula would allow 17:01:12 <Rubidium> depending on the exact settings of the game 17:01:34 <sparr> i mean theoretically 17:02:03 <sparr> the two formula should yield the same number, to within a couple of percent (1% for the conversion from 3185 to 39, 1% for the conversion from 1/256 to .004) 17:02:26 <sparr> the agreed upon answer could then be altered by game settings (which settings, btw?) 17:02:56 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:03:01 <Rubidium> newgrfs that modify costs, inflation that already happened etc. 17:03:13 <sparr> ok, got it 17:03:17 <sparr> but back to the formulae not matching 17:05:15 <Rubidium> distance is the manhattan distance, right? 17:05:25 <sparr> yes 17:06:13 <Rubidium> @calc 3185 * 35 * 90 * (255 - 10) / 2**21 17:06:14 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: 1172.07705975 17:06:26 <Rubidium> hmm, nope... doesn't get it closer faster 17:07:09 <Rubidium> you're sure there's no inflation? 17:07:19 <sparr> forget inflation :-p 17:07:22 <sparr> it would affect both equally 17:07:50 <sparr> these two formulae are supposed to be restatements of the same internal logic, that yields the base delivery price, before other modifiers take effect 17:07:57 <Rubidium> yes, but if 1290 is *with* some inflation, then you can use the formulae and never get to that answer 17:08:17 <sparr> 1290 is the other base formula 17:08:28 <sparr> 1250 is the observed price in game, which i am ignoring for now 17:08:43 <sparr> comparing the two formulae, the *35 and *90 factors are efectively the same in both formulae. one calls for percentage in increments of .004, the other for integer N/255ths, that's a 2% difference. 17:09:48 <Rubidium> @calc 39 * .35 * 90 * (1 - 0.044) 17:09:48 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: 1174.446 17:10:06 <sparr> @calc 1174/1290 17:10:06 <DorpsGek> sparr: 0.91007751938 17:10:18 <Rubidium> @calc 1174.446/1172.07705975 17:10:18 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: 1.00202114719 17:10:29 <sparr> @calc 38.87/39 * ((1/255)/.004) 17:10:29 <DorpsGek> sparr: 0.977124183007 17:10:30 <Rubidium> pretty damn close :) 17:11:05 <sparr> so 2.3% loss between the two loss factors 17:11:13 <sparr> i can live with a 2.3% error 17:11:40 <sparr> but 1174 vs 1290 is a lot more than 2.3% 17:12:00 <Rubidium> yes, that's where I expect something like inflation to happen 17:12:13 <sparr> why do you keep bringing up inflation? 17:12:20 <sparr> we are talking about pre-inflation logic 17:12:30 <sparr> these two formulae are supposed to be the same, to within conversion error 17:12:33 <Rubidium> where does the 1290 come from then? 17:12:40 <sparr> the "simple" formula on the other page 17:12:43 *** Bluelight [~Ivan@9.80-202-82.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 17:12:47 <Rubidium> no, that gives: 17:12:51 <Rubidium> @calc 39 * .35 * 90 * (1 - 0.044) 17:12:51 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: 1174.446 17:13:47 <sparr> oh 17:13:56 <sparr> sorry, i screwed up the math on my end on that one 17:13:58 <Rubidium> @calc 39 * .35 * 90 * (1 - (floor(29/2.5) * 0.004) 17:13:58 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: Error: unexpected EOF while parsing (<string>, line 1) 17:14:03 <Rubidium> @calc 39 * .35 * 90 * (1 - ((29/2.5) * 0.004) 17:14:03 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: Error: unexpected EOF while parsing (<string>, line 1) 17:14:09 <Rubidium> @calc 39 * .35 * 90 * (1 - ((29/2.5) * 0.004)) 17:14:09 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: 1171.4976 17:14:15 <Rubidium> @calc 39 * .35 * 90 * (1 - (floor(29/2.5) * 0.004)) 17:14:15 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: 1174.446 17:14:18 <sparr> 34, not 29 :) 17:14:19 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:14:56 <Rubidium> oh, I've been using 29 everywhere :) 17:14:59 <sparr> pax have an early delivery time of 0 days and a late delivery time of 24 days, so 29 days is a 29+5 day penalty 17:15:00 <Rubidium> @calc 39 * .35 * 90 * (1 - (floor(34/2.5) * 0.004)) 17:15:00 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: 1164.618 17:15:31 <Rubidium> @calc 3185 * 35 * 90 * (255 - floor(34/2.5)) / 2**21 17:15:31 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: 1157.72509575 17:15:47 <Rubidium> did I say that "days" in the wiki means "2.5 days in game"? 17:15:57 <sparr> yes 17:16:00 <sparr> the /2.5 i got :) 17:16:07 <sparr> ok, it looks like the two agree for you 17:16:14 <sparr> now i have to figure out why they dont for me 17:17:05 <sparr> oh 17:17:13 <sparr> question... 17:17:26 <sparr> are the early/late delivery times also in 2.5 day increments? 17:17:32 <Rubidium> yes 17:18:44 <sparr> so "24 days" for late pax is really 60 days? 17:18:51 <Rubidium> yes 17:18:53 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 17:20:38 <sparr> ok, thanks for the help 17:20:56 <sparr> i think my delivery price spreadsheet is getting a lot closer to accurate now :) 17:22:43 <planetmaker> sparr, you know that you have those graphcs also ingame available? 17:23:33 *** HackaLittleBit [~HackaLitt@adslfixo-b3-115-114.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:23:36 <sparr> planetmaker: not the ones I want. http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=31984 17:23:42 <sparr> if i could get that patch to compile today... 17:24:05 <sparr> finding the peak in that first graph is non-trivial 17:24:12 <sparr> mentally, that is 17:24:20 <sparr> doing it with a spreadsheet is easy, once the spreadsheet is accurate 17:24:28 *** ptr_ [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 17:32:52 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2D9623.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Regel Nr. 1: Jeder hört auf mein Kommando! - Regel Nr. 2: Jeder bleibt auf dem Weg! - Regel Nr. 3: ... ... Der, der blÀht, als hinterster geht!] 17:34:42 *** aber [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has joined #openttd 17:37:13 *** Ex_22 [~dolly@r4k163.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 17:37:14 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f4bb2.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:37:20 <sparr> planetmaker: does that make sense? 17:37:34 <sparr> my spreadsheet also takes running cost into account, which is a major factor 17:37:52 <dihedral> wtf? spreadsheet?? 17:38:23 <SpComb^> I guess some people really care how much money their trains make 17:38:28 * SpComb^ doesn't 17:38:31 <sparr> SpComb^: i care that they make any money at all 17:38:42 <sparr> on a server with high running costs and early era it's quite possible to make a train route that loses money 17:38:54 <dihedral> no kidding 17:39:06 <dihedral> but for that you don't need a spreadsheet now, do you 17:39:21 <sparr> you do if you want to know before you lose a year and a few thousand dollars testing it 17:40:04 <sparr> for example... at 88km/h, a train carrying 175 pax has peak profit around 290 tiles (of non-diagonal track). it actually turns a net loss past 580 tiles. 17:40:14 <sparr> that's with k/yr running cost 17:40:17 <sparr> which is a real example 17:40:19 <dihedral> and, erm, you pay back the loan before you have your first interest debited to your account during the time you fill in your spreadsheet? 17:40:43 <sparr> spreadsheet takes a few seconds to fill out... what does the loan have to do with it? 17:41:03 <dihedral> you lose money in that time :-P 17:41:08 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:41:48 <dihedral> so - if you have the pax figured out - why not pre-calc what you can before you start the game... ends up in a list 17:41:59 <dihedral> uh oh - and you forgot the loading times i think 17:42:23 <dihedral> oh oh - and you forgot the quality of your pax 17:42:36 <dihedral> uh - and i take it you play without breakdowns? 17:42:41 <sparr> yes, loading times and acceleration/decelleration are difficult. i just have an overall "route efficiency" adjustment factor 17:42:57 <dihedral> kids these days - pffft 17:42:59 <sparr> about half the servers i play on have breakdowns 17:43:02 <Rubidium> for the fun of it, with inflation the costs raise faster than the income :) 17:43:11 <dihedral> :-D 17:43:20 <dihedral> Rubidium, that is so not fair :-P 17:43:37 <sparr> someone turned on inflation in #openttdcoop one game 17:43:42 <sparr> ruined us a few hundred years in 17:43:54 <sparr> that was when i learned that running costs can go up for older trains 17:44:51 <sparr> the spreadsheet is also useful for figuring out whether it's worthwhile to use one of the both-ends engines (not sure of the term) for higher speed at the expense of lower capacity 17:45:13 <SpComb^> DMU/EMU 17:45:37 *** Forked [~kjetil@213.184.207.62] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:45:54 <dihedral> cute 17:46:31 <dihedral> i mean - sure, if you have a graph in the game and you think you need that and you like it - go patch 17:46:35 <dihedral> but a spreadsheet? 17:46:41 <dihedral> what are you? a PC? 17:48:57 <dihedral> uh - another question: did you take bridges, slopes, etc into account? 17:49:12 <dihedral> how often do you place signals? 17:50:04 <dihedral> how many runs do you expect a train to make in one year? 17:50:24 <dihedral> how's that for cargo - with an empty return journey? 17:50:34 *** aber [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:51:18 <dihedral> uh - and how long are your trains? 17:51:21 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has joined #openttd 17:51:38 <Rubidium> 80! 17:52:14 <sparr> bridges and slopes are minor factors. on a well designed network the train runs at full speed most of the time. on a poorly designed network, the poor design is the problem :-p 17:52:32 <sparr> my trains are [usually] the appropriate length for my curves 17:53:33 <sparr> signal placement also part of the network design 17:53:37 <dihedral> so tell me about the cost difference between a 5 tile long train and a 10 tile long train over your mentioned 290 tiles distance? 17:54:38 <dihedral> assuming you have the same length station, and 'good' pax waiting at the station to fill your train immediately 17:56:04 <sparr> assuming 40 pax per car, 2 cars per tile, 1 engine, 24000GBP running cost, 10% overall wasted efficiency due to all the small factors... 5 tile train earns you 93GBP per pax, 10 tile train earns 101GBP per pax 17:56:29 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@188.109.246.224] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:56:52 <sparr> some of the smaller factors like acceleration time probably matter a lot more for really long trains 17:57:06 <sparr> i am mostly considering 3-6 tile trains 17:57:35 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@188.109.246.224] has joined #openttd 17:57:43 <sparr> at that size it matters a lot more how long the train is 17:58:10 <dihedral> so in theory the 10 tile long train would be way better than the 5 tile long train 17:58:33 <sparr> I would say they are close enough that the "small factors" probably make enough of a difference to be important 17:58:57 <sparr> 10% difference is well within the range of all of those factors combined 17:59:06 <sparr> also, backing up a moment, tell me about "good" pax 18:01:00 <dihedral> so the 5tl train would bring you on a full load 33480 and the 10 tl train would bring 76760 18:01:32 <dihedral> which is more than double 18:01:40 *** TheMask96 [martijn@pride.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:01:43 <sparr> right 18:01:47 <dihedral> not including the fact, that the train needs more power to gain full speed 18:01:51 <dihedral> thus traveling longer 18:01:57 <sparr> because a 10tl train has more than double the cars and pax of a 5tl train 18:03:12 <dihedral> 'good' pax - just to assume your pax has the same rating at the station - badly rated 'cargo' pays worse ;-) 18:04:21 <sparr> interesting... citation? 18:04:29 <sparr> i'm not so good at looking through the openttd source yet 18:04:34 <sparr> and i havent seen that info on the wiki anywhere 18:04:44 <dihedral> now try to take something like your HQ or a statue into account 18:04:59 <sparr> statue i am familiar with. what effect does the HQ have? 18:05:06 <sparr> i have asked about HQ before and no one would tell me 18:05:07 <dihedral> similar 18:05:34 <dihedral> http://wiki.openttd.org/Station_rating#Station_rating 18:05:36 <sparr> games with undocumented rules bother me :( 18:05:46 <dihedral> it aint undocumented 18:05:57 <sparr> err, i already have that page open 18:06:14 <sparr> the words "hq" or "headquarters" do not appear on it 18:08:48 *** TheMask96 [martijn@pride.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 18:10:25 <sparr> I'm trying to improve the wiki where I can, but someone has to share the knowledge first 18:12:48 <ccfreak2k> During any save, which function is called first? 18:15:53 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 18:18:41 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-2-17-131.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 18:19:19 <DJNekkid> can i use CC on some rail sprites? (for "new rails") 18:20:45 <DJNekkid> (isit supported?) 18:21:31 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@nas46-24.york.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 18:22:27 <sparr> why does the wiki say that the vehicle speed bonus to station rating caps at 17%? 18:22:54 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:22:57 *** ctibor [~quassel@77.48.228.43] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:23:13 <sparr> i think that assumes a max vehicle speed of 255km/h 18:24:30 <Alberth> iirc things on maglev run faster 18:24:33 <frosch123> ttd had a maximum speed of 255. however the unit is not km/h 18:24:48 *** Macha [~Macha@gateway.alphawave.ie] has joined #openttd 18:25:09 <Macha> Can I kick an AI? I accidentally forgot to disable them for a MP game I'm playing. 18:25:13 <frosch123> hmm, no, you are right, trains can be faster 18:25:30 <frosch123> Macha: "stop_ai <company number>" in console 18:25:55 <Macha> frosch123: Thanks 18:25:57 *** Macha [~Macha@gateway.alphawave.ie] has quit [] 18:26:12 <sparr> ge->days_since_pickup is in 2.5-day units? 18:26:22 <sparr> continuing wtf @ days vs days 18:26:54 <Alberth> doxygen improvements are welcome 18:26:57 <frosch123> sparr: http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=Callbacks#Custom_station_rating_calculation_145_ 18:27:14 <frosch123> that describes quite detailed what is done 18:27:43 <sparr> :( 18:27:47 <sparr> :) @ more documentation 18:27:53 <sparr> :( @ another location that has to be updated 18:30:13 <sparr> "If the max. speed is above 255 speed units, 255 is used instead." <-- this is not apparent in the code, unless ge->last_speed is truncated before the rating code is called 18:30:32 <sparr> also, :( @ comparing possibly-different ttdpatch vs openttd rules 18:30:51 <frosch123> byte last_speed; <- interesting definition of truncation 18:32:10 <frosch123> sparr: they are not different. and if they are different you should create a big huge red bug report about it. (except ttdp screwed it up) 18:32:12 <sparr> int b = ge->last_speed - 85; <-- waste of 3 bytes of memory :-p 18:32:50 <sparr> well, 2 bytes, since you need a signed short to hold an unsigned char minus a constant 18:33:20 <sparr> so, thanks to finding the appropriate source, and the new documentation... 18:33:25 <SpComb^> an int will probably be faster than a short, and the short will probably be optimized to an int anyways... 18:33:57 <sparr> I am still lacking the statue/hq equivalence 18:34:19 <sparr> maybe HasBit(st->town->statues, st->owner) counts a hq as a statue? 18:37:37 <SpComb^> check SetBit(...) 18:38:10 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 18:44:20 <sparr> only set in two places i can find 18:44:24 <sparr> neither seem to apply to HQs 18:44:29 <sparr> dihedral: see above 18:46:01 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r19139 /trunk/src/lang/ (15 files): (log message trimmed) 18:46:01 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:46:01 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: croatian - 1 changes by VoyagerOne 18:46:01 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: czech - 12 changes by Hadez 18:46:01 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: dutch - 2 changes by habell 18:46:03 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: finnish - 1 changes by jpx_ 18:46:03 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: german - 1 changes by planetmaker 18:47:03 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-2-17-131.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:47:26 <Alberth> sparr: c->location_of_HQ == INVALID_TILE <-- apparently there is a tile in the Company 18:48:11 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.98] has joined #openttd 18:50:11 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-2-17-131.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 18:50:22 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-2-17-131.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:51:39 *** |Terkhen| [~Terkhen@116.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 18:54:32 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@110.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:58:59 *** |Terkhen| is now known as Terkhen 19:01:30 <sparr> Alberth: what? 19:01:48 <sparr> Alberth: we are discussing whether it affects station rating 19:02:54 <Alberth> I thought you were looking for the statue storage 19:04:18 <sparr> in the station rating code the only place i can see that hq might have an effect is when it checks for a statue 19:04:23 <sparr> if having a hq sets the statue bit 19:04:34 <sparr> but i cant find anywhere that having a hq would set the statue bit for the town 19:05:01 <TrueBrain> it doesnt 19:05:14 <TrueBrain> neither does it affect station rating (or at least, not as far as I know) 19:05:18 <sparr> that is the conclusion i am coming to, but i give dihedral the chance to support his claim 19:05:30 <sparr> worse than undocumented features are wrongly-rumored features :) 19:05:42 <Alberth> sparr: http://paste.openttd.org/222581 <-- nothing in a station file 19:05:43 <devilsadvocate> TrueBrain, i believe it does. certain forum postings suggested that it does (something to do with ECS) 19:05:51 <sparr> a lot of players think pax/goods delivery affects city growth 19:06:03 *** lolman [~Holygoat@cust247-dsl93-89-128.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:06:04 <TrueBrain> devilsadvocate: I don't do GRF, so I wouldn't know 19:06:34 <sparr> Alberth: yes, but location_of_HQ could be used somewhere to set the town->whatever->statues bit, that's what i was searching for 19:06:38 <devilsadvocate> no, i mean one of the suggestions was to build statues and HQ to increase rating so that industries dont close 19:06:54 <sparr> devilsadvocate: that could be the same misinformation that dihedral is suffering from 19:06:55 <TrueBrain> never knew HQ had any affect on the game 19:07:02 <sparr> TrueBrain: afaik you are right 19:07:02 <Rubidium> HQ has no direct effect, although indirectly it provides pax (and mail?) and thus might lower the ratings due to increased numbers of waiting passengers 19:07:10 <Alberth> sparr: there is also not a town file in that list 19:07:15 <TrueBrain> lol @ Rubidium 19:07:30 <sparr> Alberth: i don't know enough about all the files to say that for certain, which is why i come back here each time i have more information 19:07:47 <TrueBrain> the wiki url on our wiki says it all 19:08:02 <TrueBrain> (the one dihedral gave ;)) 19:08:35 <frosch123> planetmaker: Ammler: did you encounter the desync again with patched clients/servers? or did you stop playing? 19:13:45 <sparr> TrueBrain: the one dihedral gave contradicts what dihedral said. hence the investigation. 19:14:12 <TrueBrain> I guess he made a small typo; happens to all of us 19:17:01 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 19:18:17 <planetmaker> frosch123, When I tested it, I didn't encounter a desync. 19:18:43 <frosch123> how long did you test? 19:18:55 <planetmaker> But... I unpatched the server again in the assumption that the patch would assure 100% desync chance 19:19:01 <planetmaker> maybe 15 minutes? 19:19:06 <planetmaker> round about 19:19:12 <frosch123> 15 sounds like long enough 19:21:30 <Bluelight> Installing new router.. brb 19:21:34 *** Bluelight [~Ivan@9.80-202-82.nextgentel.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.7/20091221164558]] 19:21:44 <Rubidium> again? 19:31:27 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 19:35:55 *** Bluelight [~Ivan@9.80-202-82.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 19:36:30 <Bluelight> @ports 19:36:30 <DorpsGek> Bluelight: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication, UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advertise) communication (outbound), and TCP port 3978 for content service, a.k.a. BaNaNaS (outbound) 19:38:31 <planetmaker> frosch123, 15 minutes is an indicator. But sometimes it also works without the patch for that long... 19:38:32 <ccfreak2k> During any save, which function is called first? 19:39:39 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:46:12 *** Manio [~Manio@chello087206203134.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 19:46:28 <Manio> hi 19:47:10 <Rubidium> hi 19:47:16 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dbc2294.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:47:18 <planetmaker> ho 19:47:47 <Manio> any developer here? Got a question. I wanted to add myself method to AILog (AILog::ToFile(const char *message)), compiled then and run, but in game this method is not visible... 19:47:57 <Manio> do I have to register this new method somewhere or what? :D 19:48:37 *** Bluelight_ [~Ivan@9.80-202-82.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 19:49:04 <Manio> is this the right chat for that? :P 19:49:43 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c72f.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 19:50:07 <planetmaker> this is the right channel, no worries 19:50:38 <Rubidium> in src/ai/api run the 'export' script 19:51:05 <Manio> hm ok, let me try that :) 19:52:01 *** Hyronymus [~chatzilla@s5591a1ba.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 19:52:53 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: alberth * r19140 /trunk/src/rail_cmd.cpp: -Codechange: Move variables closer to their first use. 19:53:42 *** Bluelight [~Ivan@9.80-202-82.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:53:49 *** Bluelight_ is now known as Bluelight 19:54:39 <Manio> Hmm... any way to do this 'export' on windows? 19:54:58 <Rubidium> with mingw, or manually mess with the .sq files 19:59:17 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.98] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 19:59:34 <Manio> I'll go with 'manually'. Will see how it ends 20:10:42 *** Bluelight [~Ivan@9.80-202-82.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:14:15 <Manio> Yeah :D It worked :)Thanks for help :) Do you have some knowledge base for people who want to mess around the source codes? like how do they know that there is some kind of export script, and you need to run it, and stuff? Or you have to find out that kind of stuff on your own? 20:14:57 <Rubidium> there's an (outdated) dev handbook on the wiki, otherwise this channel's useful 20:15:11 <planetmaker> Manio, there's the wiki... you could update it with this piece of advice. 20:15:52 *** guru3_ [~guru3@2002:5ae3:813a::1] has joined #openttd 20:15:52 *** guru3 [~guru3@90-227-129-58-no21.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:15:55 <Manio> Yeah I know wiki :) But still, it doesn't have all info 20:16:13 <planetmaker> Yes, of course. Add it. It always needs *someone* to do it ;-) 20:16:18 <planetmaker> It's a wiki after all. 20:16:22 <Manio> ;] 20:17:25 <Manio> Plus, it's huge project after all. Men, it compiles a long time 20:18:05 <Sacro> it compile you long time 20:18:46 *** Dessous [~DaMan@a88-115-70-173.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 20:19:40 <Manio> You mean it wasn't correct english or? English is not my primary language, sorry 20:20:27 <planetmaker> Manio, IIRC your English was correct... 20:20:40 <planetmaker> Don't let funny English-men tell you otherwise :-P 20:20:50 <Manio> :] 20:21:08 <Rubidium> huge? long compiles? 20:21:19 <Manio> Maybe he meant some kind of irony... how can I know 20:21:44 <Dessous> Has anyone here had problems with music in OpenTTD in Linux? The game loads the music and I can select the pak, but when I try to play it, it just cycles the playlist around over and over again as if it, for some reason, couldn't play the files 20:22:55 <Rubidium> Dessous: probably because you haven't installed extmidi 20:23:24 <Dessous> dbg: [driver] Successfully probed music driver 'extmidi' 20:24:24 <SmatZ> Dessous: and timidity? 20:24:26 <Rubidium> Dessous: doesn't mean that extmidi is installed, just means that there was no other driver (it's basically the fallback) 20:25:14 <Rubidium> Manio: Debian compilation takes less than 15 minutes on one particular machine, compiling gcc (the compiler) takes over 9 hours 20:26:07 <Rubidium> planetmaker: does a client with http://rbijker.net/openttd/ouch.diff desync against a server with YAPF caching disabled? 20:28:02 <peter1138> Compiling Debian? 20:28:08 <andythenorth> hi hi 20:28:21 * andythenorth has been busy 20:28:24 <peter1138> Sadly, compiling OpenTTD now takes me 11 seconds :( 20:28:37 <planetmaker> 11 seconds?! I envy you 20:28:43 <Rubidium> peter1138: yes :) 20:28:44 <planetmaker> hello andythenorth :-) 20:28:48 <andythenorth> 11 seconds? have you switched to OS X? 20:29:01 <Rubidium> a little over 1 minute for a full recompile 20:29:08 <Rubidium> without ccache or other tricks 20:29:20 <peter1138> Oh... yeah, ccache is in use, hehe. 20:29:24 <planetmaker> Wow... how? 20:29:34 * peter1138 configures without 20:29:45 <planetmaker> Fast quad core? More? 20:30:14 <peter1138> 43 seconds? 20:30:15 <planetmaker> Rubidium, I'll have to test. Give me a bit 20:30:17 <peter1138> that's crap :( 20:30:21 <Rubidium> planetmaker: nah, your "standard" 1 year old laptop 20:30:22 <peter1138> it used to be quicker 20:30:35 <peter1138> 3GHz quad core. Nothing special these days... 20:30:40 <Manio> huh nice, I use vmware + winxp with visual studio 2008 for now, and full rebuild of solution takes about 5 minutes x.x 20:30:48 <dihedral> peter1138, and make -j what? 20:30:51 <peter1138> 8 20:30:58 <dihedral> :-) 20:31:02 <planetmaker> hm... yes, I need 5 minutes with -j4 on my dual core 20:31:21 <dihedral> what? 20:31:27 <planetmaker> I can cut off a bit by using the less optimizing LLVM 20:31:33 <dihedral> i just needed 2 mins and 20 secs pm 20:31:37 <Rubidium> 66 seconds without ccache, -j3; < 10 seconds with ccache, -j3 20:31:42 <dihedral> and that was -j 3 20:31:52 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: lol, times with ccache are a bit silly :p 20:31:52 <peter1138> 28 seconds with a debug build 20:32:02 <dihedral> :-P 20:32:03 <peter1138> not so long ago it was half that 20:32:07 <planetmaker> hm... what do I do wrong? ;-) 20:32:08 <Rubidium> Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T9400 @ 2.53GHz 20:32:19 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: gcc-llvm ;) 20:32:23 <Rubidium> planetmaker: use Apple's compiler? 20:32:32 <peter1138> Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz 20:32:34 <planetmaker> I've 2GHz only, but that should make 50% difference max 20:32:40 <peter1138> except it's at 3GHz 20:32:50 <dihedral> Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E8400 @ 3.00GHz 20:32:59 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 20:33:12 <planetmaker> TrueBrain, usually not gcc-llvm, but gcc-4.2.1 20:33:13 <TrueBrain> Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T5750 @ 2.00GHz 20:33:13 * andythenorth intel core 2 Duo 2.53 20:33:15 <TrueBrain> slowest here :p 20:33:20 <ccfreak2k> Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N270 @ 1.60GHz 20:33:32 <dihedral> LOL 20:33:40 <dihedral> grrkz 20:33:47 <SmatZ> x86_64 AMD Phenom(tm) 9950 Quad-Core Processor AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux 20:34:00 <ccfreak2k> I haven't gotten on the dual core train yet. 20:34:29 <Rubidium> BCM3302 V0.8 <- doesn't compile OpenTTD though 20:34:36 <Manio> jeeez... what have I started with my little "compiles a long time" :P 20:34:39 <TrueBrain> dep-check alone takes 20 seconds here :p 20:34:50 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: 0.7? or trunk? 20:34:54 <TrueBrain> trunk 20:34:57 <TrueBrain> cold cache 20:35:01 <Rubidium> ah, yes :) 20:35:51 <Manio> btw, any... easy... way to apply patch from revision ~12000 to current rev? :P quite a big patch 20:36:01 <TrueBrain> nope, no easy way 20:36:16 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: lies... use the 0.6 branch :) 20:36:29 <TrueBrain> current rev gets a new meaning :p 20:36:39 <Rubidium> but other than that: nope, no easy way 20:36:48 <Manio> :D well, I meant trunk recent rev :P 20:37:05 <TrueBrain> 226 seconds :s 20:38:12 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:38:12 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 20:39:54 <andythenorth> are we doing anything fun? 20:40:03 <TrueBrain> no, but we are now 20:40:05 <TrueBrain> annoy andythenorth 20:40:06 <TrueBrain> lets see .... 20:40:09 <andythenorth> try 20:40:13 <TrueBrain> @kick andythenorth okay 20:40:13 *** andythenorth was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [okay] 20:40:20 *** andythenorth [~andytheno@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 20:40:22 <TrueBrain> @kick andythenorth okay 20:40:22 *** andythenorth was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [okay] 20:40:28 *** andythenorth [~andytheno@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 20:40:28 <TrueBrain> damn, this is too easy :p 20:40:29 <peter1138> i reckon i need some fast ssd 20:40:42 * TrueBrain hugs andythenorth 20:40:48 <peter1138> also the newgrf scan takes too long :s 20:40:50 <Belugas> Soup Served Daly 20:40:53 <Belugas> Daily 20:41:05 <peter1138> at least, when files are not in disk cache 20:41:30 <andythenorth> TrueBrain: really, your efforts have the significance of a flea on a mountain compared to the rest of my life these days :o 20:41:44 <TrueBrain> awwwhhhhhhh ... poor andythenorth 20:41:47 <TrueBrain> I wont annoy you anymore :) 20:41:56 <TrueBrain> @voice andythenorth 20:41:59 *** mode/#openttd [+v andythenorth] by DorpsGek 20:42:01 <TrueBrain> that should make your life a tiny bit better ;) 20:42:11 <andythenorth> what goes with salmon? pasta, potato or chips? 20:42:25 <dihedral> way to go TB :-P 20:43:08 <Markk> peter1138: http://www.computeruniverse.net/products/e90362860.asp 20:43:14 <Markk> There you go, pretty fast SSD. :) 20:43:19 *** Chrill [~chrischri@h-17-162.A149.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 20:43:24 <peter1138> pasta, or new potatoes, or, if deep fried and battered, with chips 20:43:40 <andythenorth> pasta then 20:43:42 <peter1138> er 20:43:55 <peter1138> Markk, let me get a mortgage... 20:43:56 <dihedral> Markk, what? the BBU aint installed?? 20:43:59 <Markk> peter1138: :D 20:44:11 <Rubidium> andythenorth: only if they're gnocchi! 20:44:19 <dihedral> i love the fact that it says 'only' next to the 15.5k EUR 20:44:45 <dihedral> oh - and note: shipping kosts: free(1) :-D 20:44:48 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1ED9B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:44:58 <Markk> dihedral: :D 20:45:12 <dihedral> (*) Prices are plus VAT and plus shipping 20:45:12 <dihedral> and are valid for shipments within Germany only 20:45:12 <Markk> That is just hardcore. 20:45:24 <dihedral> no wonder shipping is 'free' 20:45:25 <dihedral> lol 20:45:28 <Markk> dihedral: I can by it from Sweden (They ship here). 20:45:43 <dihedral> you can by it? :-P 20:45:44 <dihedral> sorry 20:46:11 <Markk> Haha. 20:46:17 <dihedral> :-P 20:46:25 <Belugas> pasta? Potatoes? With Salmon????? NEVER!!! Rice, with Garlic! 20:46:48 <dihedral> or garlic with rice? 20:46:53 <Markk> Pasta! 20:47:38 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d198-53-213-246.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 20:48:48 *** mindlesstux [~Work@adsl-235-163-184.clt.bellsouth.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:51:01 <Belugas> grrr... great... now i'm hungry 20:51:17 <Belugas> ho... a little more than an hour to go :D 20:51:28 <dihedral> pizza, burgers, candy, cake, ... 20:51:40 <Rubidium> "Chausson aux pommes"? Just come and get it :) 20:52:09 <dihedral> chinese take away 20:52:19 <dihedral> hehe - all you can eat :-P 20:52:21 * peter1138 plays with sooperlooper 20:52:59 *** IPG [~chatzilla@daisu.martos.bme.hu] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115144158]] 20:53:44 *** mindlesstux [~Work@adsl-235-163-184.clt.bellsouth.net] has joined #openttd 20:56:29 *** Manio [~Manio@chello087206203134.chello.pl] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 20:59:09 * andythenorth wonders if Yexo's industry patch should also check for objects (transmitter etc)? 21:02:08 * andythenorth wanders away to eat and think about more exciting industry patches 21:02:44 <peter1138> oh. stereo works better when you're outputing both channels 21:02:52 <peter1138> not left to both 21:02:56 <planetmaker> lol 21:04:23 *** snorre [~snorre@c832BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:14:31 * andythenorth awards himself a beer (cold) 21:15:05 <Xaroth> andythenorth: pasta 21:15:19 <Terkhen> good night 21:15:25 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@116.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 21:15:38 <andythenorth> pasta wins 21:16:06 <Xaroth> potatoes might work if you have a large chunk of salmon 21:16:19 <Xaroth> but then small potatoes, baked 21:16:37 * frosch123 goes for coffee 21:19:00 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-26-252-111.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 21:21:42 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Quit: Flieht, ihr Narren!] 21:26:50 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust443.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.7/20091221164558]] 21:38:08 * andythenorth thinks it would be exciting to extend industry var 68 21:40:49 <andythenorth> for fun with....electricity! zzzzzzzaappppp 21:43:39 <andythenorth> peter1138: you dangled Road Types the other day....any news :o 21:44:11 <Dessous> !! It's working! 21:44:34 <sparr> trying to wrap my head around newgrf callbacks... 21:44:39 <planetmaker> dessous work best when they nearly not work :-P 21:44:50 <planetmaker> SCNR 21:45:26 <sparr> how does a newgrf do things like adjust the cargo payment formula? 21:45:43 <sparr> that is, callback 145 21:45:50 <frosch123> sparr: do you know about "decision trees"? 21:46:02 <sparr> yes 21:46:39 <frosch123> fine, the root of your tree is called "action3", the branches are "varaction2" and the leafs are "callback results" 21:47:48 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:49:02 <frosch123> more questions? :p 21:49:25 <sparr> err, many? 21:49:42 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 21:50:00 <sparr> is there a good place to begin reading on this? 21:50:39 <frosch123> the tutorials are all about vehicles and stuff, so quite far from callback 145 21:51:34 <frosch123> anyway, you only need action8, varaction2 and action3 for your needs 21:51:54 <sparr> I'm not so much trying to actually write one as to just understand how they work 21:52:19 <frosch123> well, you start from the root (action3), and can then branch depending on various variables 21:52:32 <frosch123> one of them is the "callback id", i.e. what is actually queried 21:54:09 <frosch123> in the branches you can also use some computations in a single-accumulator-processor style before further branching. however, it is still a tree, so not turing complete 21:54:34 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:54:45 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 21:55:07 <andythenorth> sparr: try pikka wiki...let me look it up for you :) 21:55:15 <sparr> that last bit is what I'm interested in 21:55:19 <sparr> the types of calculations that can be done 21:55:36 <andythenorth> http://users.tt-forums.net/pikka/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page 21:55:46 <andythenorth> not very detailed, but the easiest starting point 21:56:29 <planetmaker> +-*/ mod << >> xor 21:56:37 <planetmaker> and or 21:56:48 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1ED9B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:56:48 <andythenorth> meanwhile...comments? http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=47224&p=856334#p856334 21:56:59 <frosch123> sparr: you have a single accumulator, the usual integer arithmetics for 8, 16 and 32 bit, signed and unsigned. lots of register for temporary storage and for industries also some memory for longer storage duration 21:57:26 <sparr> interesting, thanks 21:58:26 <sparr> part of my curiosity was sparked by someone suggesting making goal server functionality into a new type of newgrf 21:58:36 <frosch123> wrt. accessing entities on the map, most is "private" :p 21:59:31 *** Hyronymus [~chatzilla@s5591a1ba.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115144158]] 21:59:32 <frosch123> sparr: i guess the biggest restriction is that you have no global variables for bigger scale control flow 22:02:19 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c72f.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:04:00 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 22:04:47 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Untenmaa, Utm AÂœ - Aja 35 Odota seis] 22:05:35 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c72f.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 22:22:16 *** mindlesstux [~Work@adsl-235-163-184.clt.bellsouth.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:28:28 <planetmaker> Rubidium, did you update ouch.diff? 22:28:35 <Rubidium> yes 22:28:42 <planetmaker> ok 22:28:50 <Noldo> ouch.diff? 22:30:31 <Rubidium> yes, it's a very useful name 22:30:53 <planetmaker> has a high recycling value :-P 22:31:34 <Rubidium> there aren't that many 'ouch' bugs :) 22:35:09 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.98] has joined #openttd 22:36:07 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f4bb2.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:40:12 <__ln__> Was ist das richtige Verb fÃŒr "Studieren" in der Schule? 22:40:29 <Rubidium> procrastinate? 22:40:40 <planetmaker> lernen? gammeln? 22:40:51 <planetmaker> abhÀngen? harzen? 22:40:58 <planetmaker> *hartzen? 22:41:02 <__ln__> Ok, danke. 22:41:27 <__ln__> Und studieren nicht? 22:41:30 <planetmaker> uhm... The serious answer is only the first. 'lernen' 22:42:13 <planetmaker> well. It's not wrong. But 'studieren' means to study something specifically or very intensively. 22:42:24 <planetmaker> And to study *something* at university 22:43:36 <planetmaker> in that case it neither needs to be intensively or specific :-P 22:43:51 <__ln__> Alright 22:44:48 <planetmaker> (the other words I gave are slang for 'doing nothing' ;-) ) 22:45:35 <__ln__> Very valid words then 22:47:49 <planetmaker> ps.openttdcoop.org:3982 <-- Rubidium if you like to join / test yourself. I'll do so in ~15 ... 20 minutes 22:48:10 <Rubidium> got flaky internet at the moment :( 22:50:44 *** gr00vy [cRave@dslb-188-097-146-236.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:52:11 *** gr00vy [cRave@dslb-188-097-146-236.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 22:56:51 <TrueBrain> burp 22:57:09 <Rubidium> oh behave thyself 22:57:50 <TrueBrain> NEIN! 23:00:11 <Prof_Frink> FalseBrain! 23:03:28 *** Ex_22 [~dolly@r4k163.net.upc.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:09:30 <planetmaker> Rubidium: I desynced :-( 23:10:34 <planetmaker> hm... wait... I still had my #ifdef __APPLE__ uncommented in that trunk checkout... 23:10:40 <planetmaker> *commented 23:10:53 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: "studieren" is only used for _serious_ studies, at a university. 23:11:43 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Quit: AS A VAGINA ONCE SAID: <yorick> SOMEONE BAN HIM] 23:12:02 <Eddi|zuHause> likewise, you also don't find "Studenten" at a school, but only "SchÃŒler" 23:15:54 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 23:15:54 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:16:06 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 23:19:56 <__ln__> Eddi|zuHause: gotta keep in mind and ignore influence from other languages. 23:20:27 <Rubidium> planetmaker: the server is running with YAPF caching disabled and your client's using my patch, right? 23:20:46 <planetmaker> Both have your patch 23:21:04 <planetmaker> I currently update to latest svn and try there 23:21:07 <planetmaker> both 23:21:12 <Rubidium> okay 23:23:00 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:23:30 <planetmaker> (previously I tested with r19068) 23:29:51 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 23:37:47 <planetmaker> Rubidium: works fine so far 23:38:48 *** bryjen [~bryjen@75.81.201.131] has joined #openttd 23:43:07 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 23:43:54 <planetmaker> and still 23:43:58 <planetmaker> fine 23:45:14 <Rubidium> that's good news, and when you join with a second client? Does that stay too (just to catch any long term cache issues) 23:45:21 *** Grelouk_ [~Grelouk@137.94.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 23:45:36 <Rubidium> as I assume that the client you're testing with now joined quite at the beginning 23:50:12 <planetmaker> I re-joined 4 times now with two different instances 23:50:36 <planetmaker> and the server ran a bit before I joined 23:50:38 *** `Fuco` [dota.keys@comp55-13.vpn.muni.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:51:23 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@154.109.203.213.9lyon1-0-ro-bas-1.9tel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:51:44 <Rubidium> lovely, it's only a tad slower :( 23:51:51 <Rubidium> with multitile waypoints 23:52:53 <planetmaker> [00:27] <ProZone> *** planetmaker has unpaused the server. [00:35] <ProZone> *** planetm4ker joined the game [00:36] <ProZone> *** planetm4ker #1 joined the game [00:39] <ProZone> *** planetm4ker joined the game 23:53:20 <planetmaker> 3 times joined so far then actually 23:55:20 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19141 /trunk/src/ (3 files in 2 dirs): -Fix [FS#3619] (r18421): look-ahead for multitile waypoints 'made up' data that shouldn't go into the cache, causing desyncs in MP 23:59:58 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19142 /branches/1.0/: [1.0] -Branch: the 1.0 series