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00:00:14 <Yexo> <Ammler> Yexo: I needed Action9 to skip openttd only features in opengfx for ttdpatch <- didn't you jus ttell me there are cases where action9 works but action7 not? 00:00:22 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Quit: ecke] 00:00:29 <Ammler> yes, but why? :-D 00:00:34 <Yexo> I have no idea 00:01:13 <Yexo> those openttd only features, where that action5s? 00:01:14 <Ammler> so in openttd, there isn't any difference? 00:01:16 <Eddi|zuHause> there are three stages of understanding 00:01:22 <Eddi|zuHause> understanding that something works 00:01:28 <Eddi|zuHause> understanding how something works 00:01:34 <Eddi|zuHause> understanding why something works 00:02:21 <Ammler> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/entry/sprites/ogfxe_extra.pnfo#L33 00:02:40 <Ammler> airport, autorail, flags, gui... 00:03:41 <Yexo> so indeed all action 5 00:03:50 <Yexo> did you test with action7 at all? 00:04:42 <Ammler> yes, I did, frosch said I should use action9 00:05:28 <Ammler> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=809088#p809088 00:06:31 *** Starn [~Starn@adsl-67-67-8-79.dsl.okcyok.swbell.net] has joined #openttd 00:07:15 <Yexo> DaleStan: is it true that to skip openttd-specific action5s you need an action 9, not action7? If so, a note should be added to the Action7 wiki page 00:07:37 <Starn> i've encountered an issue with MS Visual C++.... and openttd source... 00:08:18 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B778A5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:08:25 <Yexo> Starn: yes, and? 00:08:43 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B74CE0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:09:38 <Starn> i'm following step by step on the wiki and i am to "righ-click on openttd (preject) -> properties -> C/C++ -> general -> additional include directories." and i right clicky and it gives me this. 00:10:00 <Starn> the operation could not be completed. unspecified error. 00:10:19 <Starn> i've been following every little detial on this wiki to the very lettering. 00:10:25 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dba9f22.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:11:02 <Yexo> it gives you that error when you right-click on the project name? 00:11:17 <Starn> well and click on properties. 00:11:30 <Yexo> so the property window is never opened? 00:12:17 <Yexo> that shound like a bug in MSVC, that has nothing to do with openttd 00:12:21 <Starn> exactly instead an error box. 00:13:03 <Starn> would it matter that i am on win 7 pro 64bit. using MSVC 2008 64bit.. 00:13:21 <Yexo> could be, it could also be something else, I have no idea 00:13:29 <Yexo> but this is a problem in MVSC, not in openttd 00:14:32 <Starn> was kinda hoping some one had this issue or knew what caused it.. 00:15:00 <Starn> guess i go to plan b.. and use eclipes.. i like it for python.. never used for C++... 00:26:14 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:27:50 *** aber [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:30:58 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [] 00:31:11 <fjb> Eclipse doesn't like me. 00:32:39 <Starn> lets hope in C++ eclipse likes me 00:34:20 <fjb> I have given up. It never does what I intend to do, really unintuitive to use and complicated to configure, at least for my projects. 00:35:18 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.17.249.21] has quit [Quit: ãããã¿] 00:37:40 <Starn> well i've only used it for python it may end up being to hard for me as well for C++. 00:39:45 <Starn> i have a feeling i am going to run into a crap load of issues with this as well due to fact i am win 7 pro 64bit 00:41:53 <glx> I have no problems on win7 64 with msvc express 2008 00:42:04 <fjb> I would really have some trouble if I would be "win 7 pro 64bit". 00:42:44 <glx> "I'm PC and windows 7 is my idea" ;) 00:43:28 <Rubidium> "hi, I'm a x86 and my processor is inherently racy" 00:46:07 *** DanMacK [~here@65.94.201.53] has quit [] 00:46:31 <OwenS> Rubidium: Refering to mov ss, x; mov esp, y;? 00:47:11 <Rubidium> OwenS: no, branch prediction + pipelines etc causing races 00:47:51 <Rubidium> OwenS: http://www.infoq.com/presentations/click-crash-course-modern-hardware 39:00-47:30 00:47:52 <OwenS> Rubidium: Don't they in any modern processor? 00:48:47 <glx> the problem is probably due to CISC 00:49:02 <Eddi|zuHause> OwenS: the question is not whether they do, but whether it's specified that they do 00:50:10 <OwenS> Aah 00:50:39 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 00:51:15 *** woldemar [~osaka@213.178.34.57] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:51:16 <Eddi|zuHause> OwenS: x86 being backwards compatible and all probably means they can't do that... 00:51:50 <OwenS> Eddi|zuHause: True. Unlike many processors which say things like "Cache coherency is only guaranteed when induced by a volatile load" 00:51:53 <Eddi|zuHause> http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22155 <-- anyone want to solve that? 00:52:15 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-2-19-44.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:52:19 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: ask Owen? 00:53:25 <OwenS> You have a request for logs (Assuming its you) :p 00:53:28 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: and attach the logs they asked for! :) 00:56:16 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, need to create them first... 00:59:13 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 01:10:35 *** woldemar [~osaka@213.178.34.57] has joined #openttd 01:32:34 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@cpc1-stkn14-2-0-cust562.11-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:57:51 *** JVassie_ [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 02:03:35 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:13:21 *** DJNekkid [~thomas@static128-249.adsl.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:14:24 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 02:16:48 *** bryjen [~bryjen@75.81.201.131] has joined #openttd 02:25:11 *** DJNekkid [~thomas@static128-249.adsl.no] has joined #openttd 02:27:57 <Starn> hmm whats the diferents in openttd_vs80 amd openttd_vs90? for i can right click and go to properties and change stuff in there with 80 but not 90.. under 90 i get an unkown error. 02:37:47 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:44:33 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-147-043.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:23:05 *** JVassie_ [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:26:07 *** DanMacK [~here@65.94.201.53] has joined #openttd 03:30:52 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:4cb4:f45c:c54a:e367] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:31:05 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:4cb4:f45c:c54a:e367] has joined #openttd 03:31:08 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 03:35:06 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d1ca.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:42:11 *** bryjen [~bryjen@75.81.201.131] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:47:48 *** Starn [~Starn@adsl-67-67-8-79.dsl.okcyok.swbell.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:57:49 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:4cb4:f45c:c54a:e367] has quit [Quit: bye] 04:16:49 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-2-19-44.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 04:25:04 *** DanMacK [~here@65.94.201.53] has quit [] 04:40:02 *** lolman [~Holygoat@cust247-dsl93-89-128.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:54:08 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:55:21 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 05:00:57 *** fjb is now known as Guest119 05:00:58 *** fjb [~frank@p5485D96B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:07:50 *** Guest119 [~frank@p5485CDEB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:32:36 *** sparr [~kvirc@c-24-98-228-62.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:38:42 *** SpBot [~spbot@skrblz.fixme.fi] has joined #openttd 15:39:21 *** You're now known as Guest173 15:40:11 <andythenorth> pikka's train offsets do not translate seamlessly to trams :D 15:40:51 <andythenorth> oh poop 15:40:58 <ccfreak2k> Pikka chu. 15:41:01 <andythenorth> ctrl-b is not my friend in this case 15:41:04 <Eddi|zuHause> if you only had an offset editor within the game :) 15:41:08 <andythenorth> if only 15:41:16 <andythenorth> hmm 15:41:26 * andythenorth builds just one wagon 15:44:12 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@cpc1-stkn14-2-0-cust562.11-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 15:44:37 *** SpBot_ [~spbot@skrblz.fixme.fi] has joined #openttd 15:44:40 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: i think you're wasting at least 1 pixel of wagon length in that above picture :) 15:44:53 <andythenorth> possibly 15:46:05 <OwenS> Eddi|zuHause: You have another WINE Bugzilla request 15:46:15 <Eddi|zuHause> i know... 15:46:42 <OwenS> (And why is Konqeror still restoring that window? :S) 15:49:30 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: a1270] 15:51:51 *** You're now known as SpBot 15:56:03 *** SpBot [spbot@skrblz.fixme.fi] has joined #openttd 16:04:16 * andythenorth has to figure out offsets if we're using crazy vehicle lengths 16:07:44 * andythenorth thinks centering in the bounding box might be wisest 16:12:03 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 16:17:01 * andythenorth can't even begin to describe how dull tweaking offsets is 16:24:33 <planetmaker> ^^ No need. I know it. 16:24:48 <planetmaker> One of the reasons I put off that in OpenGFX for three months... 16:25:34 <andythenorth> did I mention an offset tool? 16:25:37 <andythenorth> someone did :P 16:25:57 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@120.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 16:26:07 <Eddi|zuHause> TTDP alledgedly has one 16:26:46 <andythenorth> it also allegedly doesn't have a mac build :| 16:26:55 <andythenorth> nor will it load my sets :) 16:28:59 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-147-043.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 16:31:35 <andythenorth> hmmm 16:31:36 <andythenorth> 2.0 16:31:51 <andythenorth> I know it's a bogus thread....but anyway 16:32:26 <andythenorth> given that about 1/4 of the requests are about things that can be done in newgrf (maybe 1/2 if we discount the insane ideas).... 16:32:52 <andythenorth> how about 'better ways for players to use newgrfs' 16:33:05 <andythenorth> Bananas is an order of magnitude improvement on the previous situation 16:34:02 <andythenorth> what else could be better? 16:34:09 <Eddi|zuHause> but that is already in 1.0 :) 16:34:44 <OwenS> I like the person suggesting changing the speed at which time moves to match the speed at which vehicles do XD 16:34:56 <OwenS> Perhaps he would also like trucks that aren't bigger than houses? 16:35:17 <Eddi|zuHause> wagons that aren't wider than long :) 16:36:01 <andythenorth> yeah, I'm not taking him up on his offer to write the FIRS manual :) 16:44:43 *** Seki [~Seki@c-71-237-70-85.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 16:44:51 <Seki> Anyone have advice about "Read past end of pseudo sprite"? 16:45:05 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-245-006.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 16:45:11 <Seki> Does not occur in .7.5, but rc-3 throws that error on loading =\ 16:45:20 <Eddi|zuHause> Seki: the grf is wrong 16:45:27 <Seki> Wrong how? (I'm writing the grf) 16:45:29 <Eddi|zuHause> Seki: error checking has improved since 0.7 16:45:41 <Eddi|zuHause> Seki: try renum 16:46:55 <planetmaker> Seki, if you don't have a new nforenum, try http://openttd.org/download-nforenum 16:47:37 <Seki> Thanks, just found the .pl version, but that's much easier 16:48:14 <planetmaker> Seki, uhm... and MUCH older and reliable 16:48:28 <planetmaker> *unreliable 16:48:51 <planetmaker> nforenum does more than renumbering. It does a sanity check in many regards 16:49:59 <planetmaker> And the latter is actually the important thing 16:51:44 *** bryjen [~bryjen@75.81.201.131] has joined #openttd 16:56:10 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@77.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 17:13:46 <Seki> All right, I think I have it narrowed down to one error I can't fix. 17:14:55 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:16:24 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 17:17:42 <Seki> !!Fatal Error (64): Expected more data for prop 1A. (1 bytes at 8.) 17:19:00 <philippG> how can i make AI harder to beat ? 17:19:30 <planetmaker> philippG, write an AI which is harder to beat :-) 17:19:35 <Seki> Any advice? From reading the SANITY log, it seems to expect more data, but from reading the TTDPatch action list, I should have the correct size data (Indeed, in .7.5 it works fine) 17:19:37 <planetmaker> or modify one of the existing. 17:19:38 <Eddi|zuHause> Seki: why can't you fix that? 17:19:47 *** |Terkhen| [~Terkhen@10.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 17:20:01 <philippG> xD 17:20:18 <planetmaker> philippG, yes, that's the only answer there is. Except you maybe have not tried all AI so far. 17:20:23 <philippG> well haven t tested all AI scripts so far 17:20:36 <Eddi|zuHause> Seki: what's property 1A? 17:20:37 <philippG> which one is the best in ur eyes 17:20:42 <Seki> Re-sort train list 17:21:14 <planetmaker> NoCab, AdmiralAI and CluelessPlus perform very well, but that's my experience and my insufficient memory from beginning of this year. 17:21:21 <planetmaker> Also Rondje, the parasit ;-) 17:21:37 <andythenorth> meh 17:21:42 <Eddi|zuHause> Seki: can you put the line on paste.openttd.org? 17:21:42 <philippG> well admiral was to easy ^^ 17:21:50 <philippG> *o 17:22:00 <Yexo> then try nocab 17:22:05 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@150.154.88-79.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 17:22:11 <Yexo> if that's too easy to, try to beat rondje with only road vehicles 17:22:16 <Eddi|zuHause> philippG: try easier landscape (flatter, less water) 17:23:00 <Seki> http://paste.openttd.org/225412 17:23:16 <philippG> kk will try 17:24:15 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@77.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:25:53 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-5d823fd0.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:26:04 <Seki> Eddi: Any ideas? 17:27:29 <Yexo> Seki: the 09 is for "define 9 properties" but then only 1 property follows 17:27:40 <Yexo> last thing on the line is "01D" which is not valid 17:27:49 <Seki> My apologies, that was just my attempts to fix it 17:27:58 <Seki> I have since updated the paste file. 17:28:06 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@cpc3-pool12-2-0-cust451.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 17:28:09 <Seki> The 09 is actually number of IDs, not properties, no? 17:28:57 <Yexo> eh, right 17:29:12 <Yexo> ah, that is also the problem 17:29:16 <Seki> Eh? 17:29:19 <Yexo> you need to set the value for all ids 17:29:29 <Yexo> so you have to repeat the 1D 9 times 17:29:36 <Seki> O.o 17:29:38 <Seki> Ah ha! 17:29:50 <Seki> That answers one of my other questions too :D 17:29:51 <Seki> Trying that 17:30:36 <Seki> That'd be it. Thank you! I didn't know you had to repeat the var for each one 17:31:06 <Seki> Eddi, Yexo: Thank you! =) 17:31:23 <planetmaker> checks just became stricter :-) 17:33:16 * andythenorth is very happy with reload_newgrfs :D 17:33:27 <andythenorth> I should probably send hugs, but it might be weird 17:34:16 <planetmaker> :-) 17:35:04 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d198-53-213-246.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 17:45:07 <OwenS> Hmm... Is there a way to reset a string back to its original colour? 17:45:42 <Yexo> I don't think so 17:45:46 <OwenS> :=S 17:46:12 <OwenS> I'd like to have the "unspecified signal" in "If unspecified signal is green" in red, but the string itself could be either white or black 17:47:07 <Rubidium> IIRC NewGRF strings can do it, so it might not be very hard to implement for OpenTTD strings 17:47:45 <OwenS> Hmm... For now, i'll just add a STR_WHITE/STR_BLACK and paste them afterwards 17:48:36 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has joined #openttd 17:49:15 <Yexo> I can't find any way newgrfs can do it 17:50:35 <Rubidium> ah, found it: SCC_PREVIOUS_COLOUR (something only used internally) 17:53:42 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: http://tt-foundry.com/misc/trams_teaser_1.png 17:53:44 <andythenorth> http://tt-foundry.com/misc/trams_teaser_2.png 17:54:51 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fd0ec.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:55:49 <Eddi|zuHause> looks nice. the red might be too aggressive, though. and i think the engine needs more work... 17:56:01 <Eddi|zuHause> engine is CC1 and wagons CC2? 17:56:53 <andythenorth> engine is CC1 + 2, wagons are CC2 17:57:55 <andythenorth> pick your own colours :) 17:58:09 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, but the read really bites... 17:59:06 <Seki> Question for BaNaNaS: Do you upload a .tar, a .tar.gz, a .zip, or a .grf? :D 17:59:41 <Eddi|zuHause> and i'm still in favour of the 3/7/11/15 variant 18:00:29 <planetmaker> Seki, whatever you want from .tar, .tar.gz or .zip 18:00:37 <planetmaker> actually .grf might work, too 18:00:40 <andythenorth> these are same wagon sprites, but spaced closer 18:00:44 <andythenorth> I think they're better: http://tt-foundry.com/misc/trams_teaser_38th_wagons.png 18:00:54 <Seki> Thanks Planetmaker 18:00:56 <planetmaker> But I prefer to supply a readme and a license 18:01:17 <planetmaker> and a changelog :-) 18:01:52 <Seki> Agreed, but I put the changelog in the readme ;) 18:02:23 <planetmaker> :-) Then one of the archive format is best. 18:04:56 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: so make the sprites longer? :) 18:05:10 *** ChoHag [~mking@109-170-148-202.xdsl.murphx.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:05:12 *** bryjen [~bryjen@75.81.201.131] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:05:22 <andythenorth> I think these will work for the smallest engine and wagons 18:05:28 <andythenorth> any smaller is really *very* small 18:06:23 <Eddi|zuHause> i think for the early version the wagons should be lower 18:06:29 <andythenorth> yup 18:06:45 <andythenorth> these are 3/8 for wagons and 4/8 for engine 18:07:03 <andythenorth> so 4 wagons should work with this one 18:07:19 <andythenorth> let me get the sizes worked out and I'll do a bit of redrawing 18:07:58 <andythenorth> ok so 4 wagons workds 18:08:01 <andythenorth> workds /s 18:08:04 <andythenorth> ummm 18:08:13 <Eddi|zuHause> :) 18:08:16 <andythenorth> m) 18:10:00 <Eddi|zuHause> this'll turn out great at the rate it's going now :) 18:11:25 <fjb> Hm, no catenary? 18:15:08 <andythenorth> transparent mode 18:27:01 <andythenorth> reworked the wagons 18:27:01 <andythenorth> http://tt-foundry.com/misc/trams_teaser_4.png 18:27:08 <andythenorth> these look about 5t to me 18:28:38 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:29:37 <andythenorth> :) http://tt-foundry.com/misc/trams_teaser_5.png 18:29:41 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: ^ 18:29:50 *** Seki [~Seki@c-71-237-70-85.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has left #openttd [] 18:29:54 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, that looks great 18:30:02 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 18:30:23 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause I'll do up some stats and send you a test grf 18:31:03 <Ammler> he, neat trains 18:31:58 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 18:33:20 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: i guess the size comparison is fairly realistic :) 18:33:53 <Eddi|zuHause> these dump trucks are really huge! 18:35:32 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc313a.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 18:36:07 *** fjb [~frank@p5485D96B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:40:15 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fd0ec.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:45:36 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: translators * r19518 /trunk/src/lang/ (german.txt japanese.txt spanish.txt): 18:45:36 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:36 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: german - 4 changes by planetmaker 18:45:36 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: japanese - 35 changes by nex259 18:45:36 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: spanish - 1 changes by Terkhen 18:46:14 <OwenS> Hmm... assert(_globset.IsEmpty() || owner == _last_owner), in AddTrackToSignalBuffer, is causing my dependency walker to instigate a crash... 18:47:15 <OwenS> Anyway, will fix after eating food :p 18:47:17 <Rubidium> OwenS: ./configure --disable-assert will magically solve that 18:49:40 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc313a.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:50:04 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc313a.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 18:50:56 *** Starn [~Starn@adsl-67-67-8-79.dsl.okcyok.swbell.net] has joined #openttd 18:52:16 *** ecke_ [~ecke@109.74.144.14] has joined #openttd 18:56:07 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.134] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:56:15 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:59:33 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.159] has joined #openttd 19:00:29 <Hirundo> OwenS: Iterating over all signals and updating them at once will cause problems, yes 19:00:30 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: check your forum pms... 19:00:51 <Eddi|zuHause> aye aye, sir! 19:01:26 <andythenorth> I need a name for this tram.... 19:01:27 <andythenorth> Most HEQS vehicles are named after mountains. 19:03:00 <Jolteon> How originals. 19:03:01 <Jolteon> -s 19:03:02 <Rubidium> Olympos? 19:03:58 <OwenS> Hirundo: Not all; I'm adding the signals that are in my dependency map 19:04:15 <Hirundo> Cross-company dependencies? 19:04:47 <OwenS> Hirundo: No. It's the _globset.IsEmpty 19:05:37 <Hirundo> It should eat a non-empty globset, if your owner does not change 19:05:45 <Eddi|zuHause> it should be prepared for cros-company dependency in context of IS 19:06:07 <OwenS> Hirundo: Well, the || there is the problem.. 19:06:22 *** philippG [~philippfl@85-127-102-72.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [] 19:06:23 <OwenS> Wait, no.. hmm 19:06:43 <OwenS> How can there be a cross-company dependency with only one company? :S 19:07:02 *** lolman [~Holygoat@cust247-dsl93-89-128.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 19:07:23 <Hirundo> How do you determine the owner parameter of AddTrackToSignalBuffer? 19:07:50 <OwenS> AddTrackToSignalBuffer(i->tile, i->track, GetTileOwner(i->tile)); 19:08:48 <OwenS> ...I presume this means having a track on a tile does not make you its owner? Hmm 19:08:52 <Hirundo> Does the dep check operate only on existing signals, or also when signals get removed? 19:09:41 *** lewymati [~lewymati@89.230.159.206] has joined #openttd 19:09:46 <OwenS> Dependencies get updated when the signal they depend on chaneges state (Called from UpdateSignalsArroundSegment) 19:11:25 <Starn> What is the diferents in openttd_vs80 and openttd_vs90? for i am unable to go to properties with vs90 but i can do so wih 80... i was trying to follow MSVC 2008 wiki but i am stuck due to an unkown error everytime i right click and click properties with vs90 19:11:44 <OwenS> Starn: vs80 is MSVC2005, vs80 is MSVC2008 19:12:18 <andythenorth> electric sparks effect for trams? 19:12:40 <Hirundo> hmm.. Dump a ton of debug info to the console with DEBUG(..) and analyse, I'd say 19:13:10 <Starn> than why would 2008 version be having issues with my copy of 2008? is it due to fact i am on windows 7 pro 64bit? though that does not make since.. 2005 version works just fine in my MSVC 2008 19:13:49 <Ammler> low 19:14:04 <Ammler> OwenS: why you need to care about owner at all? 19:14:15 <OwenS> Ammler: Because OpenTTD does 19:14:28 <Ammler> he, don't get it... 19:14:54 * andythenorth hmmms 19:14:56 <OwenS> I was gonna allow you to look at other companies signals to see what ingenious things people came up with, but that would break things :p 19:15:23 <andythenorth> somehow visual effects are still missing for RVs :o 19:15:24 <andythenorth> http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=Action0Trains#Visual_effects_and_wagon_power_22_ 19:15:31 <Rubidium> Starn: because installing MSVC2008 after MSCV2010 beta might not be supported? 19:15:31 *** lolman [~Holygoat@cust247-dsl93-89-128.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:15:36 <andythenorth> How did this terrible thing happen? :P 19:15:42 <OwenS> Ammler: The signal engine checks all signals its updating are from the same company. Hirundo probably knows better why 19:15:47 <Rubidium> Starn: and MSVC2005 is different enough to be not in the way of MSVC2010? 19:15:59 <Starn> even after you remove 2010 and 2010 was on external hd? 19:16:21 <Rubidium> removed 2010 before or after installing 2008? 19:16:30 <Starn> before 19:16:40 <Rubidium> because removing 2010 if 2008 is installed breaks 2008 (at least in my test) 19:16:55 <Starn> i removed 2010 before installing 2008 19:16:58 <Hirundo> OwenS: Most probably because the signal code can be called for non-existing (just-removed) signals. In that case, it is necessary to store the owner separately 19:17:09 <Rubidium> so it could very well happen in the other case too; don't know as I haven't tested it 19:17:15 <OwenS> Hirundo: (gdb) print _last_owner = INVALID_OWNER <-- ?! 19:17:38 *** einKarl [~einKarl@95-89-121-65-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:17:49 <Hirundo> Let me check something.. 19:19:43 <Rubidium> Starn: to be fair, I rather (re)install Windows and MSVC than uninstall MSVC and install another version 19:20:08 <Starn> i cant reinstall windows due to the fact it is student copy. 19:20:26 <Rubidium> but then, reinstalling Windows is just extracting the clean VirtualBox image 19:20:32 <Hirundo> OwenS: The _tbuset may be more appropriate than the _globset in this case 19:20:56 <OwenS> Hirundo: Hmm.. Then I should perhaps move dependencies into signal.cpp, which is probably where they belong anyway 19:21:06 <Starn> win7 is ran natively i do not have VB. 19:21:43 <Starn> i have question which probably would save time is it easier to compile under linux for windows? 19:21:59 <OwenS> Starn: In general, its easier to program under Unicies 19:22:32 <Starn> well i use to use and mildly old linux... and i remember compile things with just one command. 19:22:39 <Starn> a* 19:23:05 <OwenS> "make" is generally the case for most Unix derivatives, yes 19:23:46 <Starn> oh crap if it is still that easier vs windows... all i need than is a new HD.. and duel boot 19:24:42 <Starn> until than i guess i can use qemu or vb or something. 19:28:31 <Starn> hey Rubidium what would happen if you had 2005 installed and try installing 2008? 19:29:50 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm124.epsilon84.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: naturally] 19:30:09 <OwenS> Hirundo: _Its gotta be _globset because all _tbuset signals are in the same segment 19:30:14 <OwenS> Starn: It installs both 19:31:38 <Starn> well i been looking in my list of programs and it shows at one point i had 2008 and 2005 installed and 2005 one was done during 09... 19:33:43 <Starn> some of this stuff on my progam list is not really on my compute rnor has it been o.O maybe i should see about getting new cd key and reinstall windows all together.. 19:34:45 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:35:25 * peter1138 gets rid of the jack patch 19:36:49 *** lewymati [~lewymati@89.230.159.206] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:36:52 <Eddi|zuHause> jack the patch? 19:40:53 <peter1138> jacked the jack patch, i suppose 19:42:05 *** _Terkhen_ [~Terkhen@10.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 19:42:10 <OwenS> Yay! I now have a long distance Not gate :p 19:43:10 *** ChoHag [~mking@109-170-148-202.xdsl.murphx.net] has joined #openttd 19:48:29 *** |Terkhen| [~Terkhen@10.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:49:57 *** bryjen [~bryjen@75.81.201.131] has joined #openttd 19:50:24 *** MeCooL [mecool@94.129.139.134] has joined #openttd 19:54:33 <DJNekkid> is it possible to remove something from bananas? 19:54:37 *** Starn [~Starn@adsl-67-67-8-79.dsl.okcyok.swbell.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:56:19 <Eddi|zuHause> DJNekkid: set the openttd versions available? 19:56:51 <DJNekkid> yea, true enough 19:57:01 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@cpc3-pool12-2-0-cust451.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:57:26 <DJNekkid> but then can another author upload something with the same grfID ? 19:57:44 <Eddi|zuHause> sure... 19:57:50 <DJNekkid> oki :) 19:57:54 <Eddi|zuHause> why would the GRFID matter? 19:59:39 <DJNekkid> i assume Lawton27 aint gonna change grfID on that new monolev set, and he asked me to remove the old version from bananas, so he could upload his own :) 20:00:57 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 20:07:16 *** ecke_ [~ecke@109.74.144.14] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:08:23 <planetmaker> Hm... He should just update the old one 20:08:40 <planetmaker> It doesn't make sense to remove something (nor is it possible) 20:09:09 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-5d823fd0.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:16:33 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: has a go with that tram yet? :) 20:18:39 <planetmaker> DJNekkid: if asked nicely, it's possible to add a 2nd account to a newgrf entry at bananas 20:19:04 <PeterT> planetmaker: Can you explain why michael blunck thinks your post is counter-productive? (http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=866744#p866744) It actually seemed quite helpful 20:19:26 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.159] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:19:32 <planetmaker> PeterT: he explained it why he thinks so. But he also has other reasons ;-) 20:19:57 <PeterT> Answering to a mis-placed topic isn't the same as posting in the wrong forum 20:20:11 <planetmaker> Further I completely agree with Rubi's and Yexo's replies, thus I won't enter that meta-discussion there 20:20:12 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.159] has joined #openttd 20:21:29 <planetmaker> In his eyes I'm most probably a lickspittle of the OpenTTD devs anyway ;-) 20:22:39 <PeterT> he is being rude 20:23:14 <PeterT> "ItÂŽs even more inappropriate than the original posting because you know better." <-- how was it innopropriate? 20:23:38 <planetmaker> it's a lack of arguments. Just don't bother 20:24:14 <PeterT> ok then 20:24:15 <planetmaker> he simply doesn't like me ;-) 20:24:47 <PeterT> why so? 20:26:04 <andythenorth> lets code something instead :) 20:26:16 * planetmaker hugs andythenorth :-) 20:27:04 <andythenorth> I name the small electric tram "Kreuzberg" 20:27:31 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: yeah, haven't found any obvious problems 20:27:44 <Eddi|zuHause> except that there are no loading stages :) 20:27:49 <andythenorth> nice, afk - I'll be back soon! 20:28:52 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: a1270] 20:46:26 * andythenorth back 20:52:03 *** bryjen [~bryjen@75.81.201.131] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:53:32 *** aber [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:55:03 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 20:55:16 *** ajmiles2 [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:56:47 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C4B5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:57:44 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: next size up is 4/8 in your diagram? 20:58:16 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 20:59:06 <Eddi|zuHause> in lengths 1, 2, 2.5, 3, 4 tile lengths 20:59:12 <andythenorth> k 20:59:20 <Eddi|zuHause> one "lengths" too much 21:00:21 <Eddi|zuHause> one could make the engine 6/8 if you want more details 21:02:06 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:02:24 <Eddi|zuHause> one could add 2 more wagons that way, too. 21:02:35 <andythenorth> I'll do 6/8 for the largest engine 21:02:46 <andythenorth> there are 3 electric engines planned 21:11:51 <Eddi|zuHause> 6/8 engine and 5/8 wagons maybe 21:12:16 <andythenorth> could be 21:12:30 <andythenorth> the mid sized wagons are 15t and 4/8 21:12:43 <andythenorth> if I can be bothered to draw them, then the 26t wagons can be 5/8 21:12:54 <andythenorth> but only if I can be bothered :) 21:17:12 <OwenS> Hmm... Is there a way to tell OpenTTD to make uncompressed saves? 21:17:38 <Rubidium> openttd.cfg, savegame_format = none 21:17:55 <OwenS> OK. Since I have savegame corruption :-( 21:22:34 *** bryjen [~bryjen@75.81.201.131] has joined #openttd 21:23:34 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-254-113-47.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:23:48 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 21:24:03 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/tram.txt with 6/8+n*5/8 (n=4,8,12) version 21:24:37 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fd0ec.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 21:24:53 <Eddi|zuHause> could add n=16, but that gets really long... 21:25:01 <andythenorth> a thing of beauty 21:25:59 <andythenorth> How about we just have the default name for an RV be 'Road Vehicle (Tram) n' if the tram flag is set? 21:28:48 <OwenS> Furtehr evidence nobody (including me) have been testing my code enough 21:28:53 <OwenS> I didn't save an instructions next pointer... 21:29:26 <OwenS> ...this bug has existed since I created the saveload code and that I haven't noticed it is evidently sheer luck... 21:31:02 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:33:30 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@150.154.88-79.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 21:33:35 <Nite_Owl> SpComb: your IRC logs are not accessible 21:34:10 <Nite_Owl> unless the URL has changed ?? 21:36:22 <Nite_Owl> !logs 21:36:51 <Nite_Owl> dang - I always use a bookmark 21:37:04 *** Seki [~Seki@c-71-237-70-85.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:37:20 <Seki> Is there any way to change the name of a grf on BaNaNaS? 21:37:50 *** TheMask96 [~martijn@envy.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:39:24 <planetmaker> depends what name you mean 21:40:36 <OwenS> New progsigs at http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=47690&p=866843#p866843 21:41:07 <planetmaker> But the displayed name in the content download can - IIRC - only be changed when you upload a new version 21:41:23 <Seki> To change the name of the newgrf from something like "noMonoMag" to something more helpful "Monorail and Maglev Disabler" - The "Edit" function does not allow you to change the name 21:41:57 <planetmaker> hm, wrong. No, it cannot 21:42:22 <Rubidium> the name is used as filename, making it technically very hard to rename stuff 21:42:38 <Seki> Thank you, I'll live with the terrible name then :) 21:42:42 *** ProfFrink [~proffrink@5e065bd1.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 21:43:08 <planetmaker> it's concise ;-) 21:43:13 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sloth.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 21:43:15 <Ammler> create a new entry... 21:43:23 <Seki> it is concise :) 21:43:32 <Ammler> hmm, might not work with same id, i fear... 21:43:52 <OwenS> Ammler: Its OK, according to convo PM had earlier 21:44:09 <SpComb> Nite_Owl: they were down earlier today, but they should be loading fine now 21:44:10 <planetmaker> hm? 21:44:12 <Ammler> OwenS: I meant Seki :-P 21:44:34 <OwenS> Ammler: And I was responding to your fear 21:44:52 <Ammler> so you can make new bananas entry with same GRFID? 21:45:08 <SpComb> although, I think I see what the issue is 21:45:08 <planetmaker> Why would one want to do that? 21:45:19 <Ammler> sounds a bit strange :-) 21:45:21 <SpComb> the irclogs are currently only accessible over IPv6 for some interesting reason 21:45:23 <planetmaker> for just renaming it's a bit strange 21:45:50 <Ammler> well, you can "hide" the wrong entry 21:47:06 <SpComb> gah! 21:47:33 <SpComb> the value of net.ipv6.bindv6only changed 21:48:01 <SpComb> how the heck did that happen 21:48:36 <SpComb> Nite_Owl: fixed 21:48:48 <Nite_Owl> thank you 21:48:55 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e046b34.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:48:55 *** ProfFrink is now known as Prof_Frink 21:50:55 <planetmaker> he... bananas upgrades get increasingly large ;-) 21:51:12 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@cpc3-pool12-2-0-cust451.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 21:51:37 *** goblin_ [~goblin@krlh-5f72eaca.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 21:52:32 <Ammler> sfx is huge ;-) 21:54:18 <planetmaker> true. That was part of the download :-) 21:54:50 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@cpc3-pool12-2-0-cust451.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 21:57:50 *** Devedse [~Devedse@cable-213-34-232-56.zeelandnet.nl] has joined #openttd 22:01:19 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 22:15:30 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fd0ec.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:24:19 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C4B5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:24:29 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-245-006.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Something strange must have happened...] 22:25:53 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 22:26:56 *** goblin_ [~goblin@krlh-5f72eaca.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:30:50 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-25-58-134.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 22:31:01 *** Devedse [~Devedse@cable-213-34-232-56.zeelandnet.nl] has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 22:31:04 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 22:38:00 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-254-113-47.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 22:42:26 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has quit [] 22:50:14 <_Terkhen_> good night 22:50:19 *** _Terkhen_ [~Terkhen@10.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 22:50:37 <planetmaker> good night also from here 22:59:17 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:06:43 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-31-238.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:07:05 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:09:00 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-60-211.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 23:09:03 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 23:11:20 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc313a.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:15:05 *** ptr_ [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 23:18:11 *** ajmiles2 [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:19:42 *** DanMacK [~here@65.94.201.53] has joined #openttd 23:22:25 *** Starn [~Starn@adsl-67-67-8-79.dsl.okcyok.swbell.net] has joined #openttd 23:28:25 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-2-19-44.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:32:19 *** Chrill [~chrischri@h-5-149.A212.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 23:42:41 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B74CE0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:42:56 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B74CE0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:47:33 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B74CE0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:47:47 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B74CE0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:53:06 <Starn> yay i am debuging openTTD at least i got something to work 23:57:24 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest222 23:57:26 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-24-12-4-37.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd